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The Second Coming of Yeshua proves stoning is still in the law / Torah. Insights regarding the three kingdoms of glory.

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00:00:00 important
00:00:01 okay so uh because of the discussion
00:00:05 from the other day on stoning
00:00:09 um I thought it would be
00:00:11 good to look into that some and also I
00:00:15 think after we talk about some of the
00:00:17 basics I want to bring out some of the
00:00:18 imagery and symbolism and deeper meaning
00:00:21 that I see in it and we can talk about
00:00:23 the various issues on these aspects
00:00:27 um I I don’t know where the best place
00:00:29 to start is
00:00:31 um I don’t know if you want to go look
00:00:32 at was it DNC 42 and we start there or
00:00:35 do you want to start somewhere else okay
00:00:37 let’s uh well let’s uh take a look at
00:00:40 you
00:00:43 um we have a a slightly different
00:00:46 understanding of that and I
00:00:49 am more than happy to get into details
00:00:53 of why
00:00:55 um
00:00:56 [Music]
00:00:57 but I’ll tell you my ultimate reason why
00:01:01 it’s not part of Moses that’s my
00:01:04 ultimate reason but I have other reasons
00:01:06 also okay
00:01:07 so uh where do you want to go
00:01:10 uh Doctrine covenants 42
00:01:13 [Music]
00:01:14 um
00:01:21 this one’s about the adultery stuff if I
00:01:24 remember correctly yeah this is about
00:01:26 this is about this is the law of the
00:01:28 lord it’s delivered as delivered to the
00:01:31 Saints in Kirtland
00:01:33 um
00:01:34 and so while it may not it may not be
00:01:38 located in the first five books of Moses
00:01:41 it is the law of the Lord as given from
00:01:44 the mouth of the Lord
00:01:45 therefore
00:01:48 to my mind it can’t it carries it
00:01:51 carries as great weight sir well on that
00:01:54 point
00:01:55 between Paul and Yeshua
00:01:59 the prophets and the writings have been
00:02:05 both been called Torah so right if it
00:02:09 comes from God’s mouth to me it’s Torah
00:02:12 yeah yeah but anyways
00:02:14 all right so let’s I we’re actually in a
00:02:18 pretty good place here for the actual
00:02:21 start I think of the law of the Lord
00:02:23 because let’s see
00:02:27 he shall speak in Prophet okay for me
00:02:30 called be comforted okay now behold I
00:02:33 speak on to the church Thou shalt not
00:02:35 kill but first which verse 18 18.
00:02:39 Thou shalt not kill and he that kills
00:02:41 shall not have forgiveness in this world
00:02:43 nor in the world to come and again I say
00:02:46 thou shalt real quick
00:02:48 um
00:02:49 in today’s language that would be better
00:02:51 uh murder
00:02:52 yeah
00:02:54 um because God does ordain capital
00:02:57 punishment and if you think yeah the
00:03:00 kill is this because otherwise because
00:03:02 otherwise this next verse doesn’t make
00:03:03 this next verse is schizophrenic oh okay
00:03:07 all right and again I say that shall not
00:03:09 kill Perfection a little better than I
00:03:11 do then
00:03:12 and again I say thou shalt not kill but
00:03:14 he that killeth shall die
00:03:17 well okay but there that
00:03:20 uh that could still happen without uh
00:03:23 capital punishment but I do agree with
00:03:25 you this is alluding to Capital
00:03:26 Punishment
00:03:28 you can die with it most people die
00:03:30 without capital punishment I mean
00:03:32 everybody
00:03:34 but when but when you’re talking about
00:03:36 the law if usually what happens
00:03:40 this is the ordinance of the law if you
00:03:43 break this ordinance of the law this is
00:03:44 what happens oh this is oh this is
00:03:47 definitely laid out oh I agree with you
00:03:49 Ben uh I just not everybody will but at
00:03:53 the same time
00:03:54 um it’s not directly saying it but it is
00:03:57 saying it right
00:04:00 now but here
00:04:03 verse 20 thou shalt not steal he that
00:04:05 stealth and will not repent shall be
00:04:07 cast out whereas in the
00:04:10 hebraic Torah
00:04:12 the person who stole
00:04:15 could be killed yeah
00:04:17 and often times uh
00:04:21 I don’t remember that one but I don’t
00:04:22 have it all memorized I I do know it
00:04:24 states if you still you have to give
00:04:27 back an additional 20 which is
00:04:30 definitely not going on today right no
00:04:33 definitely not um that’s that would be
00:04:35 under that would be under what under
00:04:37 repentance
00:04:40 either stealth well
00:04:43 exactly because even if
00:04:46 they
00:04:48 if the judge found it necessary even
00:04:51 because if you’re going before the judge
00:04:53 okay
00:04:54 um
00:04:55 guilty and then he tells you you need to
00:04:57 give back 20 if you went be before the
00:05:00 judge to get into for it to happen I I
00:05:04 wouldn’t say he actually repented but he
00:05:06 is being forced to pay that extra 20 so
00:05:09 that’s true somewhat disagree now if he
00:05:13 started doing it on his own before
00:05:16 getting forced to go to a judge to to do
00:05:19 recompense yeah I agreed it would have
00:05:21 been off of repentance or just not want
00:05:24 to go to the judge but
00:05:26 um it’s not necessarily bringing out
00:05:28 repentance there in my opinion yeah
00:05:31 right right
00:05:32 Thou shalt not lie
00:05:34 Thou shalt not lie he that lieth and
00:05:37 will not repent shall be cast out
00:05:40 in Torah there’s in uh biblical Torah
00:05:44 there’s a lot of different and there’s a
00:05:48 lot of different things that they have
00:05:49 that lie basically lying falls under is
00:05:53 divided up into a lot of other different
00:05:55 things among those is false prophecy
00:05:58 uh as being a false prophet and then
00:06:01 that one’s talked about stoning that
00:06:03 one’s for sure on that one that was the
00:06:05 death that death is a penalty for that
00:06:08 here it’s only casting out
00:06:12 okay I I hear you but it doesn’t say not
00:06:15 to Stone so it doesn’t say the stoning’s
00:06:19 been taken away so one thing that oh one
00:06:22 thing I think that we need to keep in
00:06:23 mind here is Joseph Smith did not
00:06:25 restore everything
00:06:27 um right and in addition Alma 30 is a
00:06:32 really key chapter for me while you’re
00:06:34 finding out on the 30 Stephen can I say
00:06:37 something about you sure yeah yeah so
00:06:39 you’ve been under the hebraic law they
00:06:42 weren’t to be necessarily Stoned on the
00:06:44 spot they were to be taken outside of
00:06:47 the City cast out and had Stones thrown
00:06:50 at them
00:06:52 correct correct and but that’s all
00:06:54 you’re a judge you you couldn’t just
00:06:56 start owning them yourself because you
00:06:58 were angry or you’re feeling better and
00:07:01 yeah
00:07:03 right that you just you could just do it
00:07:07 yeah are you trying to say that
00:07:10 vigilante justice is wrong
00:07:16 in most cases yes they’re
00:07:21 instances in the law that I
00:07:26 [Music]
00:07:27 don’t know if it takes that away
00:07:29 completely it may still leave some
00:07:32 room for it but this is where I
00:07:35 I’m still learning but I do know of some
00:07:40 histories
00:07:41 or at least especially one in Joshua
00:07:45 anyways and they were keeping Torah that
00:07:50 depending on some of the details it may
00:07:52 or may not I’ll just leave it at that
00:07:54 okay yeah I don’t know all the ins and
00:07:57 outs enough yet to completely answer
00:07:59 that question yeah I’m still learning
00:08:01 okay
00:08:03 happens
00:08:04 shall we continue yeah yeah
00:08:08 um so just I mean we’re not going to go
00:08:10 through this but Alma 30 is an example
00:08:14 Point by point of going through
00:08:18 Deuteronomy 13 and 18.
00:08:21 right
00:08:22 um because here’s a false preacher and
00:08:24 they they didn’t Stone them but they
00:08:26 cast them out so there’s no argument
00:08:28 here that they wouldn’t be keeping Torah
00:08:31 here right because it’s before the death
00:08:33 right so there’s no I don’t think
00:08:36 anybody would debate that one
00:08:39 um but they didn’t do it why
00:08:42 not that
00:08:44 I’m not sure
00:08:46 I don’t know all the ins and outs yet
00:08:48 but I know the law is there
00:08:50 and there’s no debate whether it was or
00:08:52 not
00:08:54 um and it didn’t get to that point why I
00:08:59 don’t know yet yeah but it is an
00:09:02 interesting case to keep in mind
00:09:04 thank you yes
00:09:06 um and then Ben talked about one
00:09:10 um which we can go look at real quick
00:09:11 and I’m on almost chapter one
00:09:15 um so it’s 15
00:09:18 so this is another Antichrist
00:09:22 yeah
00:09:23 um anyways but I looked up
00:09:27 ignomanus death
00:09:29 ignominious yeah I that word
00:09:33 um you were kind of suggesting that
00:09:36 could been stoning so I actually
00:09:39 initially read this to go find out if
00:09:41 there was any hints of stoning you know
00:09:44 before and after sometimes when I get
00:09:47 contacts I’ll read a whole chapter or
00:09:49 two before in a whole chapter after
00:09:51 things I did in this case but I’m just
00:09:53 telling you
00:09:53 sometimes I do that because I I don’t I
00:09:58 want the context but here I didn’t see
00:10:01 anything to me
00:10:03 that goes to stoning
00:10:06 um yeah especially when we and we can go
00:10:08 look at that word real quick in fact
00:10:11 yeah let’s do it 1828. oh yeah yeah
00:10:15 excuse me oh actually I have my link in
00:10:18 my other notes real quick so I’ll just
00:10:21 copy it instead of the other
00:10:23 um
00:10:24 but I I looked it up because part of my
00:10:27 study part
00:10:29 um they go look up words
00:10:32 it’s crazy how dictionaries are inspired
00:10:37 anyway well at least they’re General at
00:10:39 least they generally give you an
00:10:40 accurate an accurate definition well
00:10:42 they’re teaching truth so I was being
00:10:45 kind of silly there but
00:10:48 um I’m going off of definition number
00:10:50 two
00:10:52 um so there’s cowardly
00:10:54 um I I wouldn’t say this applies in this
00:10:58 case
00:10:59 um reading the context before
00:11:03 the first definition
00:11:07 apply
00:11:09 very shameful reproach full dishonorable
00:11:12 Infamous to be angry crime is
00:11:15 ignominious so I I believe what happened
00:11:18 is hanged for a crime because yes
00:11:22 um I believe the one the the crime that
00:11:25 they actually decided to
00:11:27 enact
00:11:29 on was murder yes not tried to enforce
00:11:34 it but he tried to enforce breach I mean
00:11:37 he was guilty of multiple things right I
00:11:41 think we can right but the one that he
00:11:43 got the punishment for was the setting
00:11:47 of blood which
00:11:49 um if they had not
00:11:52 uh done that one
00:11:55 the blood of the Saints would have been
00:11:57 on the judges
00:11:58 yeah
00:12:00 so he they had to do capital punishment
00:12:02 on that one
00:12:04 yep
00:12:06 um and so I don’t think I’m a one is an
00:12:09 example for Oregon stoning
00:12:13 um
00:12:16 for it here but they they went off of a
00:12:20 different
00:12:21 um sin or transgression whatever word
00:12:24 that floats your boat at this time right
00:12:26 right
00:12:28 um citizen you missed the market
00:12:32 yeah I agree but at the same time we
00:12:35 don’t say Adam’s first sin
00:12:38 Adam’s first transgression right well
00:12:42 that’s the the difference between a sin
00:12:44 and the transgression
00:12:46 is uh
00:12:49 there actually is a difference
00:12:51 I don’t I there isn’t
00:12:53 a difference other than it’s just a
00:12:55 Denver another word for the same thing
00:12:57 no it’s there’s there’s a difference
00:13:00 yeah
00:13:03 well if you can remember what it is it’d
00:13:05 be interesting to see because when I
00:13:08 have a question is a transgression is
00:13:11 more like
00:13:17 well yeah maybe there isn’t much of a
00:13:20 difference
00:13:22 I believe uh the New Testament tells us
00:13:25 sin is the transgression of the law
00:13:28 that’s true that’s true oh let’s go keep
00:13:31 me honest
00:13:39 every sixth uh
00:13:43 we say we have no sin everyone who sins
00:13:45 breaks the law that one’s not it
00:13:50 so here’s some that uses it
00:13:52 interchangially in the Book of Mormon oh
00:13:54 but here’s the one I was thinking of
00:13:55 whoever committed sins transgressions
00:13:57 the law so then
00:13:59 percent is the transgression so they
00:14:03 can’t be
00:14:05 I don’t know if that’s necessarily
00:14:07 equating the two though well that but
00:14:10 then it does in the next or it does in
00:14:12 the second half in the second half
00:14:14 because we can look at some of these
00:14:16 Book of Mormon verses that kind of uses
00:14:18 it no no I I I get it I get it I see I
00:14:21 see what I have to remember after
00:14:23 results after I looked into the second
00:14:24 half yeah
00:14:26 me it’s the same thing it’s just
00:14:28 whatever and this is common
00:14:31 if we say the same thing or same concept
00:14:35 multiple times
00:14:37 we’re prone to use a different word for
00:14:39 it yeah I don’t think it’s any different
00:14:42 in Hebrew
00:14:44 it just at least in English it sounds
00:14:47 funny if you use the same word twice
00:14:50 specifically really close to each other
00:14:53 we’re trained to do it use different
00:14:56 words for the same thing in English I
00:14:58 don’t see it being any different than
00:14:59 Hebrew but I will admit I’m not a Hebrew
00:15:01 speaker but I come on I’m sorry no yeah
00:15:07 yeah this is the second alphabet the
00:15:10 second half of that really equates it
00:15:12 doesn’t really yeah and I have Book of
00:15:15 Mormon verses we can look at it just
00:15:16 uses it interchangeably
00:15:18 um
00:15:20 so anyway
00:15:22 I I just see oh let’s go back to the
00:15:25 dictionary
00:15:27 um
00:15:29 the dictionary is inspired no it’s not
00:15:31 necessarily that but the words in the
00:15:34 inspired translation are using the
00:15:36 definitions from the dictionary it’s
00:15:38 more what’s going on right but I mean or
00:15:42 a crime
00:15:43 I believe that’s what happened so but
00:15:47 then whipping cropping branding are also
00:15:49 ignominious punishments so it’s there’s
00:15:52 more than just being aimedius
00:15:56 so he could have got those other
00:15:59 um punishments I’m inclined not to
00:16:02 because I I don’t know a place in Torah
00:16:06 or Torah
00:16:08 States whipping I think the whipping
00:16:10 well
00:16:11 no it doesn’t yeah so I’m I think that’s
00:16:15 more of a Roman thing than the Torah
00:16:17 thing I mean yes gesture was whipped but
00:16:20 that was more of a Roman thing and that
00:16:22 was actually done trying to appease
00:16:24 Yeshua also whipped the uh money
00:16:28 changers in the temple
00:16:30 that’s true
00:16:32 and that would make me wonder if it’s in
00:16:35 Torah then so I don’t have a good answer
00:16:37 for that
00:16:40 but still suffer an ignominious death it
00:16:44 would have to be basically a death in
00:16:47 the form of a punishment sure sure I I
00:16:50 think it could be an uh hanged or
00:16:53 whipping I don’t think it has to be both
00:16:54 but yeah
00:16:56 um I I tend to think because he he did
00:17:00 murder someone
00:17:01 uh yeah
00:17:03 and and was it 35 5
00:17:07 if they didn’t repent they’ll get hanged
00:17:10 I mean yeah let’s go find it if you want
00:17:12 but that was a murder because it was of
00:17:16 the lamanites if I remember correctly
00:17:18 yeah
00:17:20 I know some people will claim that
00:17:22 hanging
00:17:23 to justify Brigham Young in his blood
00:17:25 atonement though
00:17:27 claim that hanging is Pagan and they
00:17:31 claim to keep Torah no
00:17:35 hanging is stated in Torah
00:17:39 he’s trying to make bring himself good
00:17:42 uh whether if he knows that or not it’s
00:17:44 another question I don’t know that if he
00:17:46 was lying on that versus just not
00:17:49 knowing
00:17:50 um because I don’t know everything in
00:17:51 Torah I just submitted that right here
00:17:53 right uh
00:17:55 I work at it though hopefully that’s
00:17:57 obvious that I work at it
00:17:59 but yes
00:18:03 um all right so let’s go back to the
00:18:05 screen
00:18:07 so
00:18:09 um
00:18:10 so so far I’m seeing
00:18:13 cast them out I don’t have any issues
00:18:15 with that that’s what we see happening
00:18:17 Alma 30 even when they had the law
00:18:20 yeah and I don’t believe Joseph Smith
00:18:24 um restored everything so that could be
00:18:28 what they had at the time or that could
00:18:31 be what the infrastructure that they had
00:18:33 at the time to do that so even Steven
00:18:36 you realize at the beginning of the
00:18:38 early Christian Church Paul right
00:18:41 so he is constantly harping on the
00:18:46 Saints of galatia galatia and accordions
00:18:50 to cast those people out that are
00:18:55 teaching the false doctrine that are
00:18:58 that are lying that are you know
00:19:01 propounded themselves and vain Doctrine
00:19:05 I don’t
00:19:07 um I think that is enough to justify the
00:19:09 stoning though
00:19:11 um no no no
00:19:13 my point is my point is I’m not done yet
00:19:15 but my point is is that with him saying
00:19:21 to cast out there’s definitely this idea
00:19:26 that
00:19:29 under the law of Moses if they are a
00:19:32 false teacher
00:19:33 they would be stoned on the spot
00:19:35 no that’s the extreme end they would be
00:19:40 oh judge judged okay sorry it would be
00:19:43 taken and they would be judged they
00:19:45 would be taken out of the city and they
00:19:47 would be taken out of the city before
00:19:48 they were sold well yeah well right not
00:19:51 on the spot sorry bad choice towards but
00:19:53 the point is
00:19:55 for their fall stock for spreading a
00:19:58 false Doctrine and being a false teacher
00:20:00 and being a purveyor all that is false
00:20:02 they were the punishment was the Sony
00:20:06 right under the law
00:20:11 I would um
00:20:13 from my understanding I I would change
00:20:15 that statement just a little bit it’s
00:20:17 stoning is the
00:20:19 highest punishment or the worst
00:20:21 punishment that can be given for that
00:20:23 it’s not the only one because like I’m a
00:20:26 30. what happened it was just casting
00:20:29 out right true and I don’t think anyone
00:20:33 would argue that they were not keeping
00:20:35 Torah at that time no they yeah you
00:20:39 can’t argue that they were most
00:20:40 certainly well some people might but
00:20:43 anyway so yeah well you’ve got a point
00:20:46 there
00:20:47 in the Church of Jesus Christ Last Day
00:20:50 Saints back then I’ll tell you
00:20:53 um but
00:20:56 um
00:20:56 judges uh
00:21:00 even today you have a little leeway of
00:21:02 what punishments they can get okay yes
00:21:05 judges in Torah have that also okay now
00:21:08 I don’t know all those details yet but I
00:21:11 do know it’s there and I they do
00:21:15 and I would say Tor tells them to lean
00:21:18 more on the merciful end of the fact
00:21:21 that it does because what happens if you
00:21:24 accident if somebody throws out an
00:21:27 accusation you jump to the conclusion
00:21:30 and say oh he’s guilty you take him out
00:21:33 you Stone them you find out later he’s
00:21:35 innocent you just killed it you just
00:21:37 shut into some blood right and also now
00:21:40 you
00:21:42 yeah get that punishment because this is
00:21:45 one thing that I I think is great about
00:21:47 Torah is yes if you’re if your false
00:21:51 testimony causes someone to get a
00:21:52 punishment
00:21:55 and if or could could have caused
00:21:57 someone to get that punishment guess
00:21:59 what punishment you get when they find
00:22:01 out you’re lying
00:22:02 that punishment punishment the
00:22:05 punishment that would have given given
00:22:06 to the other which really prevents
00:22:09 people from lying word today
00:22:12 oh you get a slap on the head hand or
00:22:14 you go to jail for a couple days there’s
00:22:16 nothing major yeah that’s why people get
00:22:18 away with it
00:22:20 and
00:22:21 P although people today they want that
00:22:24 all this lying to stop
00:22:27 they really don’t because
00:22:30 it makes sense they couldn’t get away
00:22:31 with it themselves but there they
00:22:33 themselves are doing and so they’ll say
00:22:36 it that they want it to stop but they
00:22:39 will not do anything to enact it because
00:22:42 inside they know they don’t want it to
00:22:45 stop because they are liars themselves
00:22:48 yeah yeah so back to the scriptures okay
00:22:52 sorry Versa going to verse starting back
00:22:56 at verse 21. okay Thou shalt not lie he
00:23:00 that lieth and will not repent shall be
00:23:02 cast out Thou shalt love thy wife with
00:23:04 all thy heart and shall cleave unto her
00:23:06 and none else and he that look upon a
00:23:08 woman to lust after her shall deny the
00:23:10 faith and shall not have the spirit and
00:23:13 if he repents not he shall be cast out
00:23:15 Thou shalt not commit adultery and he
00:23:18 that committeth adultery and repenteth
00:23:20 not shall be cast out but he that has
00:23:23 committed adultery and repents with all
00:23:25 his heart and forsaketh it and doeth it
00:23:28 no more Thou shalt forgive but if he
00:23:31 doeth it again he shall not be forgiven
00:23:33 but shall be cast out okay so I see a
00:23:37 couple things in here for one first of
00:23:39 all it’s not even talking about
00:23:40 Witnesses because to Stone and
00:23:43 adulteress or adulterer
00:23:46 process
00:23:51 um this is just not talking about it’s
00:23:54 more of a general principle this is more
00:23:57 of a general thing
00:23:59 get them out because yeah if you don’t
00:24:02 get the Sinners out of your so there’s
00:24:06 two layers to this or two parts of this
00:24:08 for one if you’re a church and you’re
00:24:11 not getting the people fixing
00:24:14 what your members are doing the sin is
00:24:16 on the whole we’ll start getting on the
00:24:17 whole church
00:24:18 yep
00:24:20 and then you’re you’re just going to
00:24:22 lose it
00:24:23 um the second thing
00:24:26 is
00:24:30 you you should let non-believers or
00:24:33 people who are uh
00:24:37 non-believers
00:24:39 who are not antagonists
00:24:42 uh to the belief or the Believers to to
00:24:46 come so you can cast them out to me is
00:24:50 more take them off your records so
00:24:52 they’re not actually members but if they
00:24:54 still want to come and they’re not being
00:24:55 antagonistic
00:24:57 still a little come because maybe
00:24:59 that’ll help bring them back to
00:25:00 repentance right
00:25:02 um on the other and then there’s also
00:25:05 um ravaging wolves you’re supposed to
00:25:07 cast out but raging and wolves are
00:25:09 in leadership they’re that’s why my
00:25:12 opinion
00:25:14 um they’re wearing the sheep’s clothing
00:25:16 right because the Sheep are the members
00:25:17 but anyways
00:25:19 or that could be that could be a
00:25:21 reference to there are money their wool
00:25:23 our money suits
00:25:29 Thou shalt not speak evil verse 27 now
00:25:32 shall love the evil of Thy Neighbor nor
00:25:34 do him any harm thou knowest my laws
00:25:37 concerning these things are given in my
00:25:39 scriptures he that sinneth and repenteth
00:25:41 not shall be cast out
00:25:43 right
00:25:44 um because and that’s actually the big
00:25:46 that’s actually the big caveat there
00:25:48 that that’s basically a commandment to
00:25:50 go and study the scriptures to find the
00:25:52 law right well the big thing here I see
00:25:55 sin cast out that’s pretty much they’re
00:25:57 saying here every sin here they’re
00:25:59 saying cast them out of the church
00:26:01 so that’s out of the church
00:26:04 um and and Torah is more than just
00:26:06 church in fact Israelites was a
00:26:09 theocracy
00:26:11 right it so
00:26:15 in fact there were non-believers that
00:26:19 lived in Israel that still had to keep
00:26:21 the law yeah they would not be cast out
00:26:24 of the church because they were not in
00:26:26 the church but
00:26:28 there’s also the
00:26:31 uh I guess the the government end of it
00:26:34 in in today’s binoculars right there’s
00:26:37 the religious binocular and then there’s
00:26:39 the government vernacular but in God’s
00:26:41 kingdom it’s actually a theocracy and
00:26:43 they’re together but in today’s looking
00:26:45 this is just talking about the religious
00:26:49 aspect here it’s not talking about the
00:26:51 actual government the temporal aspect
00:26:54 the temporal aspect of it from what I’m
00:26:57 seeing here right
00:26:58 um because just in the last statement
00:27:00 sin cast him out yeah I agree with that
00:27:03 but what this also never does
00:27:07 it never says don’t Stone
00:27:09 that’s true it’s not saying taking it
00:27:11 away
00:27:12 out of verse 29 if thou amongst me Thou
00:27:15 shalt serve and keep all my Commandments
00:27:19 and I do believe stoning is one of those
00:27:22 I I do too and I don’t think it I do not
00:27:25 believe DNC 42 took it away
00:27:28 no you’re right it does not actually say
00:27:31 that so my first and foremost on this
00:27:34 when talking about this
00:27:36 it’s not that is not law of Moses that
00:27:38 is Torah and Torah is
00:27:41 eternal yeah now here’s another one for
00:27:44 you
00:27:45 um that I’ll go off of just to show that
00:27:49 uh so
00:27:51 let me start with this if God took it
00:27:54 out of the law can God do it and still
00:27:57 be lawful
00:28:04 that’s a good question
00:28:07 just like can God change his step the
00:28:09 Sabbath and still be lawful
00:28:12 well let’s let’s go off of the idea he
00:28:16 can change his law and be lawful okay
00:28:18 which is not the case but let’s just for
00:28:21 argument’s sake questions
00:28:26 let’s say he could
00:28:28 and still be righteous but I mean then
00:28:30 he’d be changing from the left and the
00:28:32 right so I wouldn’t but just for
00:28:33 argument’s sake
00:28:34 let’s say he could okay let’s look at
00:28:37 their argument
00:28:39 um if they if you can take it something
00:28:42 away would if after he God took it away
00:28:45 can God do it and still be righteous
00:28:48 no
00:28:50 you’re right because then he would be
00:28:52 breaking what he because he changed it
00:28:55 and then he broke what he changed that’s
00:28:57 true he broke what he changed it too
00:28:59 okay
00:29:00 now with regarding stoning what’s
00:29:02 happening at the second coming
00:29:05 holy crack a lot of stones
00:29:11 oh no God is going to be stoning the
00:29:15 Wicked This is my other major go-to
00:29:18 number two why stoning has not been
00:29:23 it God will be doing correct yeah
00:29:25 because it talks about these rays and
00:29:28 these Reigns of burning the reign of
00:29:31 bombs so there’s I we can go find it and
00:29:35 maybe you guys know where it is but in
00:29:36 the New Testament people talk about how
00:29:39 the the second coming is going to be
00:29:41 like the days of Noah
00:29:43 the problem is to keep reading at least
00:29:46 one of the versions of it in the gospels
00:29:48 right it also States it’s also going to
00:29:50 be like Sodom and Gomorrah and the fire
00:29:53 and brim stoning
00:29:57 yeah that’s actually how God dealt with
00:30:00 Sodom and gomorov as he stoned the
00:30:02 cities well and he actually Yeshua
00:30:04 states in the New Testament the second
00:30:05 coming is going to be like that
00:30:07 yeah there’s two levels as you as you
00:30:11 stated there’s two levels it’s going to
00:30:13 be as the days of Enoch for the
00:30:16 righteous the his righteous Saints and
00:30:19 it’s going to be
00:30:22 like Sodom and Gomorrah for those
00:30:25 I mean it happened during
00:30:27 um the 10 plagues with uh Moses too it’s
00:30:30 yeah yeah
00:30:33 it’s but the main point here because
00:30:37 there’s those out there right now that
00:30:40 will try to use this stoning argument to
00:30:43 show that the law is not valid
00:30:45 they don’t know their prophecy
00:30:47 that’s right
00:30:50 or they just haven’t really thought
00:30:51 about it I mean it might be some of both
00:30:53 actually I think it’s they haven’t
00:30:56 thought about it I think what it is is
00:30:58 that they get looped into they get
00:31:00 looped into one specific way of thinking
00:31:02 about prophecy and they don’t think
00:31:05 outside of that box
00:31:09 yeah well they’re they’re stuck in the
00:31:12 doc and they can’t do anything there’s
00:31:16 we’re Abraham gileadi for that week for
00:31:18 that matter uh yeah I don’t like him I
00:31:21 my opinion of him is he puts Kabbalah
00:31:25 into Isaiah and Kabbalah is the tree of
00:31:29 knowledge of Good and Evil which is sin
00:31:32 I
00:31:36 the tree of knowledge which the
00:31:39 everybody who gets in Kabbalah is like I
00:31:41 have the tree of knowledge it’s so good
00:31:43 what’s called what’s the tree of
00:31:44 knowledge in Genesis
00:31:47 Good and Evil
00:31:48 and that’s the gnostics they mix the
00:31:51 good and evil together
00:31:52 there has to be a balance of good there
00:31:55 has to be a balance of Good and Evil
00:31:57 well the the evil needs some good so
00:32:00 that the elites can
00:32:02 do their stuff because they
00:32:04 they’re parasites on the the
00:32:07 somewhat good people I mean not real
00:32:09 good people but because if they’re
00:32:10 really good they would stop the evil
00:32:12 people so they’re just somewhat good
00:32:13 they’re just good enough that they won’t
00:32:15 really take care of the bad and that’s
00:32:17 why in this news
00:32:19 what I’m talking about is this thing
00:32:22 where you have these people who are
00:32:23 putting really really really terrible
00:32:25 things and yet at the same time you will
00:32:28 also find them uh you’ll also find them
00:32:31 donating to heartwarming causes there
00:32:34 has to be oh yeah balance maintained
00:32:37 between good and evil
00:32:41 the soldiers who oh sorry go ahead Matt
00:32:44 you go ahead you go along with what you
00:32:46 were saying though earlier
00:32:50 uh the whole that idea of uh
00:32:57 of what you were talking about where
00:32:59 like those people that know that these
00:33:02 evil people do evil things and yet they
00:33:05 sit there and they allow it right so
00:33:08 this this idea though comes from this
00:33:13 concept
00:33:16 that’s actually and my gosh it makes me
00:33:21 sick
00:33:23 but it was brought up by one of the
00:33:26 people in our uh new followers of Christ
00:33:30 group and it’s called The Lord’s law of
00:33:34 allowance that’s what he calls it he
00:33:36 calls it the Lord’s law of allowance ah
00:33:40 that sounds new age from just hey he
00:33:43 will justify and command a little sin
00:33:45 right yeah
00:33:48 um second Nephi 28.
00:33:52 uh and how many times does he say that I
00:33:56 the Lord God cannot look upon sin with
00:33:58 the least degree of allowance that’s the
00:34:00 only time it allowance and
00:34:03 his definition is literally yeah to
00:34:07 avoid the very appearance yes
00:34:12 [Music]
00:34:14 how you worship unless it starts
00:34:17 affecting me then I will say something
00:34:20 to you but only in accordance to the
00:34:23 word words that I’m inspired to say by
00:34:25 the spirit
00:34:27 that is the basic gist of the Lord’s law
00:34:29 of allowance yes
00:34:31 after he basically tried to in this
00:34:35 after he basically tried to get me
00:34:37 thrown out of the group by insinuating
00:34:39 that I was trying to take control over
00:34:41 people’s lives
00:34:42 which is when you questioned by which
00:34:46 spirit because he’s not lying
00:34:50 yeah
00:34:51 I’m sure he was inspired one way or the
00:34:53 other right
00:34:56 right well if you want invite me to the
00:34:59 group and I can see if I can help but
00:35:01 um yeah that guy is yeah interesting
00:35:05 um
00:35:06 but yeah I mean even in Taurus states
00:35:09 that if you see someone sinning you need
00:35:11 to tell them that they are sinning
00:35:14 um yeah otherwise your head held liable
00:35:16 and you’re sinning so right well because
00:35:20 you’re upholding the sin by not saying
00:35:22 you’re Hey Stephen you’re saying it’s
00:35:24 okay yeah go ahead Andrew I just wanted
00:35:27 to say thanks for bringing up that whole
00:35:28 idea of the uh like there’s gonna be a
00:35:32 lot of people getting stoned because I
00:35:33 never really considered it from that
00:35:36 perspective before
00:35:38 um you know what I’m saying oh sure sure
00:35:40 well I I don’t know if you were here
00:35:42 when I said this but the law is prophecy
00:35:44 and this is one case of that
00:35:47 oh of course that makes sense
00:35:50 um I think and after we’re done with
00:35:53 this little segment which we might be
00:35:55 kind of closing up to it
00:35:57 um there’s deeper meanings to this also
00:36:00 um so
00:36:02 um I I don’t know if
00:36:05 I want to keep talking about this
00:36:06 physical law aspect still or or meaning
00:36:12 do you mind if I asked a question
00:36:15 completely off topic uh sure go ahead
00:36:17 that’s fine okay I’m here sorry I’m not
00:36:20 I’m not a Sunday school teacher no of
00:36:23 course but uh well I’m just kind of
00:36:25 being silly because they if it’s off for
00:36:27 less than they don’t like
00:36:29 no it’s all good
00:36:31 um so
00:36:32 you know how we’re supposed to sound the
00:36:34 shafar right to
00:36:37 um not everybody
00:36:38 not everybody the priest so you don’t
00:36:41 specifically have to but I I still think
00:36:44 it would be good
00:36:45 yeah I actually find blowing the shofar
00:36:50 um
00:36:51 relaxing and revealing um
00:36:55 um relieving yes that’s the word yes
00:37:00 um okay
00:37:01 so yeah I was wondering about that
00:37:03 because I uh
00:37:05 I don’t have
00:37:07 well I’ll show you where I got mine I
00:37:11 highly recommend it
00:37:13 um
00:37:13 and
00:37:17 sorry
00:37:17 [Music]
00:37:21 okay sorry
00:37:24 in this particular case I’m probably not
00:37:26 going to be able to get one by the time
00:37:27 we’re supposed to be blowing it so
00:37:29 [Music]
00:37:31 maybe not but you can do it next month
00:37:33 because you’re supposed to do at the
00:37:34 beginning if you’re going to do it
00:37:35 beginning of the month because
00:37:39 [Music]
00:37:39 yeah
00:37:41 okay
00:37:42 I’ll put my headphones on give me one
00:37:45 minute
00:37:46 let me put my headphones on
00:37:52 getting a little noisy over there yeah I
00:37:56 I do that sometimes when I get excited
00:37:59 my my volume gets up my my wires are
00:38:04 missed crossed to my head apparently
00:38:06 because I get excited
00:38:12 I was just concerned about that because
00:38:13 I’d like to start keeping these you know
00:38:16 these okay
00:38:20 yes
00:38:22 okay so I’ll show you where I got mine
00:38:26 um
00:38:27 and maybe if you do overnight or
00:38:30 something you could do that but I
00:38:32 actually would recommend not to because
00:38:34 it’s the Sabbath now and then it’s yeah
00:38:37 um and then then this transition day and
00:38:39 the new moon day and so I would actually
00:38:41 recommend juway in fact
00:38:43 there’s a audiobook I want to get that I
00:38:45 want to share in the Dr Christ book
00:38:48 um actually but I’m not going to get it
00:38:49 now because
00:38:51 uh non-work days right now um but
00:38:54 anyways yeah
00:38:55 um so this is where I got mine it may
00:38:58 have cheap ones ranging from 20 or so up
00:39:01 to Mid around 300 to a high of thousands
00:39:06 of dollars
00:39:07 um the nice guy oh yeah they’re yeah
00:39:12 you can
00:39:13 um you waste a lot of money on this I I
00:39:16 want to get an uh I have a longhorn
00:39:19 um
00:39:20 so that’s a longhorn right there
00:39:24 um they’re easier to start with okay
00:39:28 um when I get back I’m gonna get a sh at
00:39:31 some time I want to get a short horn
00:39:32 also which is the Rams Horn this one
00:39:34 comes from
00:39:35 um some type of elk I forget the name it
00:39:39 actually comes from an antelope antelope
00:39:41 that’s what it is yes oh it comes from
00:39:43 kudu okay yeah that’s what I got mine
00:39:46 for mine’s a kudu
00:39:48 that’s a kosher animal the short horns
00:39:51 come from Rams
00:39:53 um machine
00:39:55 which are male sheeps right
00:39:58 um
00:39:59 so is that what they are
00:40:02 well some people might just not know I
00:40:04 don’t know anyway
00:40:06 I thought it was uh I thought it was a
00:40:08 van I’m gonna elbow drop you ready
00:40:12 I thought it was a van that’s long
00:40:14 enough
00:40:17 you should relate to that more than most
00:40:20 yes I know and Matt too Ben and Matt
00:40:23 both
00:40:49 yeah that’s fine there’s a couple things
00:40:51 that’s nice with this guy
00:40:53 um he gets his from Israel and they’re
00:40:55 kosher
00:40:57 um
00:40:58 and
00:41:00 um if you call his number
00:41:02 um you tell him that the the basic type
00:41:05 that you want to get he’ll blow them the
00:41:07 horns that he has of that basic type on
00:41:10 the phone for you so you can pick which
00:41:11 one you like the sound better and he’ll
00:41:14 send you that
00:41:15 oh cool he he’ll send you tons of
00:41:18 pamphlets too which I didn’t
00:41:22 he likes pamphlets
00:41:24 but he’s he’s a good guy to work with
00:41:27 um so okay that’s where I would
00:41:29 recommend to get him from and I this is
00:41:31 where someone told me to get them from
00:41:33 that has also
00:41:35 um but anyways I have a longhorn what’s
00:41:37 the site again what what is it go far
00:41:39 man I’ll put it in the chat
00:41:44 he has a couple videos on YouTube but it
00:41:48 it doesn’t help you pick
00:41:50 um but when you get a general price
00:41:53 range and other things of that nature or
00:41:55 types he’ll blow the ones he has on that
00:41:59 so you can initially like sound better
00:42:02 initially it’s probably going to be
00:42:04 something really cheap but hopefully I
00:42:06 can work something you know up to
00:42:08 something better 20 is better than
00:42:11 nothing absolutely better than that
00:42:14 so yeah I I don’t have mine with me
00:42:18 because I’m actually out of the country
00:42:19 right now but I have access to a plastic
00:42:21 one I’m going to be doing that
00:42:23 so it’s better than the worst case
00:42:26 scenario if all you had was a recorder
00:42:28 would use on the recorder
00:42:31 uh I I don’t know if I would but
00:42:35 um the closest thing to a shofar horn is
00:42:38 a trumpet
00:42:39 oh yeah
00:42:41 so my kids have this little toy one
00:42:44 that’s it’s for actually for soccer
00:42:46 games but it’s it’s looks somewhat like
00:42:49 the longhorn one it’s not Twisted but
00:42:51 it’s just really long
00:42:53 yes straight it’s plastic
00:42:56 it’s it’s in made in similitude of the
00:43:00 heraldic trumpet yeah the the middle one
00:43:04 yeah yeah but it’s out of plastic
00:43:06 um
00:43:08 I think something’s better than nothing
00:43:11 um
00:43:12 if you haven’t if have you played a wind
00:43:15 instrument before
00:43:16 no uh okay
00:43:19 um
00:43:20 so basically you just do raspberry with
00:43:22 your lips and then put the thing on the
00:43:25 end on your it’s I’ve gotten tons of
00:43:29 kids to do it with the plastic one just
00:43:31 just doing a raspberry and then putting
00:43:33 the horn up to my mouth and then you
00:43:34 just start doing it that’s not and then
00:43:36 just kind of okay or you can just kind
00:43:38 of play around with it until you can get
00:43:40 a sound out of it and be like okay
00:43:41 that’s what you do yeah or you can do
00:43:43 that
00:43:44 [Laughter]
00:43:46 um but I I like blowing mine
00:43:49 um so hopefully you’ll like yours and
00:43:50 sometimes when I study I actually
00:43:52 listened to the shofar of other people
00:43:54 blowing on there’s a lot a few people on
00:43:57 YouTube
00:43:58 um I have a playlist of someone I can
00:44:01 share if you want but I just search
00:44:03 shofar on YouTube and you’ll hear it
00:44:07 yeah okay
00:44:09 I like it sounds good
00:44:12 okay that was just my question and then
00:44:15 um just figuring out how to
00:44:18 to properly
00:44:22 um
00:44:24 do
00:44:26 um I guess observe the the official
00:44:30 trumpets so not everybody
00:44:33 yeah my my concern is like how does one
00:44:37 celebrate it alone since my wife and
00:44:40 kids have no interest in anything
00:44:42 involved in this kind of stuff
00:44:45 um well if anything just go to YouTube
00:44:47 and listen to some and and maybe just do
00:44:49 some study about
00:44:51 um okay warning people because the the
00:44:54 trumpet blowing is about warning others
00:44:56 you could just do little movie studies
00:44:58 on this most particularly it’s about
00:45:01 warning people of Judgment Day
00:45:03 yeah oh I could do I could do that all
00:45:06 day
00:45:08 it’s about warning people of Judgment
00:45:11 Day because that is the next holiday
00:45:14 yeah you have the 10 days and you have
00:45:17 the Feast of trumpets the 10 days of all
00:45:19 and then you have uh number sure
00:45:22 judgment
00:45:26 yeah uh and it’s it’s the last 10 days
00:45:29 to repent and then judgment
00:45:32 um 10 days of all which is in the Book
00:45:34 of Mormon actually
00:45:35 um but
00:45:37 um
00:45:38 it’s like the countdown you got 10 days
00:45:41 well you got 10 left because you’re
00:45:43 supposed to count at 40. so these are
00:45:44 just the last that’s true that’s true
00:45:46 these are the last ten
00:45:48 um but uh I’m meeting again Monday
00:45:51 evening uh so you can come join us there
00:45:54 um
00:45:55 and I I do want to do a little bit on
00:45:57 trumpets there related to the calendar
00:46:00 actually and because Joseph Smith got
00:46:03 the gold plates right so it’s kind of
00:46:06 fits in with it which what is the Book
00:46:08 of Mormon about warning us anyways
00:46:14 um
00:46:15 so
00:46:17 if you do get it I would recommend at
00:46:19 least blowing it um for the new moon at
00:46:22 a minimum and then I like to blow it on
00:46:25 them uh Sabbath also the weekly service
00:46:31 you can just pull it whenever you want I
00:46:34 I liked blowing mine
00:46:37 but anyways so okay all right cool that
00:46:41 that’s helpful I appreciate it you’re
00:46:43 welcome and there there’s a little
00:46:45 discussion in the high holidays Facebook
00:46:48 group about what to have
00:46:51 and I don’t know any Torah verse that
00:46:53 actually States anything but um one guy
00:46:56 John brought up what’s the talmud
00:46:59 tradition is the oral law so basically
00:47:01 traditions of men
00:47:03 yeah
00:47:04 um of
00:47:06 apples and honey and I I’m probably
00:47:09 going to do that now just keep in mind
00:47:11 it’s not commanded to do that but I do
00:47:16 understand some of the reasonings behind
00:47:18 it which we could talk about some but I
00:47:20 would rather go back to the stoning
00:47:22 stuff unless you want to yeah and we
00:47:24 could talk about that more um on Monday
00:47:26 yeah
00:47:32 I think here okay
00:47:35 it’s getting kind of late on my end but
00:47:37 well I mean at the same time probably
00:47:39 for you Stephen as it is for me but uh
00:47:40 what time is it for you
00:47:46 there’s another hour and ahead oh you’re
00:47:49 in Argentina yeah that’s really
00:47:51 interesting huh wow that’s cool so
00:47:55 pretty soon I’ll be two hours ahead of
00:47:56 you because I don’t change
00:47:58 um but anyway yeah the United States is
00:48:01 the only one uh backwards enough to to
00:48:04 change for daylight savings no uh Europe
00:48:06 does it it’s just they just give it a
00:48:08 different time yeah Europe does it it’s
00:48:10 uh they call it summertime though
00:48:12 because they do it at different times
00:48:14 I see gotcha I know this because I’ve
00:48:16 dealt with time in programming a lot and
00:48:18 it even without my calendar program I
00:48:21 wrote I’ve dealt with time a lot because
00:48:22 of just code stuff and all those so you
00:48:26 wrote you wrote that calendar program
00:48:28 then yeah I I’m the author I I wrote
00:48:30 everything from other than the framework
00:48:32 for the UI I wrote from scratch all the
00:48:34 math I did myself
00:48:36 wow
00:48:38 um cool so that’s awesome yeah all right
00:48:41 well you guys have a good night
00:48:44 hey thanks for coming Andrew hey no
00:48:47 problem my pleasure so let’s get so
00:48:51 let’s Stone Matt again yes please
00:48:55 yes
00:48:56 so there’s symbolism behind this okay so
00:49:01 let’s get out of the physical and into
00:49:03 the deeper symbolism yes all right so
00:49:06 stones
00:49:08 can represent multiple things right what
00:49:11 let’s let’s I’m gonna put you guys on
00:49:14 the spot and maybe Danny too
00:49:17 um what are some things that stone can
00:49:20 represent
00:49:21 oh
00:49:24 Christ is the stone yeah that’s a big
00:49:27 one and that was that was that’s going
00:49:29 to be a major one coming up for
00:49:30 symbolism it’s still building rejected
00:49:33 uh there’s also the stone cut out of the
00:49:35 mountains without hands yeah that’s
00:49:38 another uh and it’s another another
00:49:42 Temptation
00:49:44 the Temptation with stones
00:49:48 which I think has potentially deeper
00:49:51 even deeper significance so
00:49:54 um Temptation from the Devil the second
00:49:57 one I’m trying to get off of actually uh
00:50:00 is revelation which is then also the
00:50:03 word of God
00:50:04 yes right okay so the two major ones
00:50:08 is Yeshua
00:50:10 and his word right
00:50:13 okay so I think it’s in Helaman we can
00:50:16 find it but when he’s one of the
00:50:19 prophets are telling the people to
00:50:21 repent they he tells them at the great
00:50:23 and Dreadful day they’re gonna wish they
00:50:25 could hide under a rock
00:50:27 yeah yeah so they’re gonna wish they
00:50:31 could hide under Yeshua
00:50:33 right yeah but instead of hiding under
00:50:36 Yeshua they’re gonna hide under
00:50:40 the stoning
00:50:42 that’s going to happen
00:50:45 yeah wow they’re actually gonna want
00:50:48 this stoning
00:50:50 yeah if you believe the Book of Mormon
00:50:52 you’re gonna wish you could hide under a
00:50:54 rock
00:50:55 God’s gonna give it to him they’re gonna
00:50:57 hide under these stones that God’s gonna
00:51:00 give them
00:51:03 because they didn’t
00:51:04 go under the rock beforehand so they’re
00:51:07 getting a different Rock
00:51:10 kind of like uh kind of like the idea of
00:51:13 uh to kind of like the idea of choose
00:51:16 your fire
00:51:18 yeah yeah yes exactly get baptized with
00:51:22 the fire of the spirit or get Beth does
00:51:24 the you know get burned up in fire at
00:51:27 the end times Well fire is symbolic of
00:51:30 judgment it’s just how are you being
00:51:31 judged are you being judged to be
00:51:33 righteous are you being judged to be
00:51:34 Wicked that’s true yep
00:51:37 um so I I hope to be on the righteous
00:51:41 end of that judgment
00:51:44 um that would be nice
00:51:46 I I strive to do that
00:51:49 um and that’s not and that’s not done by
00:51:51 making excuses no
00:51:54 no it’s and it’s not it’s not done by
00:51:57 making less than the law by making
00:51:59 obedience to lessen the law appear to be
00:52:01 obedience to the Lord
00:52:03 well
00:52:04 um and so
00:52:09 that is the big symbolic thing there for
00:52:12 me and in addition
00:52:15 when we’re under
00:52:17 The Rock
00:52:19 um we get peace and Grace for example
00:52:24 um Christ
00:52:25 at the cross
00:52:26 there is one that was under our Rock and
00:52:30 then there was one that was under the
00:52:32 rock if you get what I’m getting at yes
00:52:36 one got the Judgment Rock and one got
00:52:39 the saving Rock
00:52:41 yeah yes and
00:52:44 The Underneath
00:52:46 is could be as in under their Authority
00:52:51 or under the curse
00:52:55 right yeah and it when you’re under the
00:52:58 authority you then get the blessings if
00:53:00 you’re under the curse you then get the
00:53:02 punishments
00:53:03 yes
00:53:05 and the punishment is death
00:53:07 it’s it
00:53:09 just to go along with what you’re going
00:53:11 just to go along with what you’re
00:53:14 going with here
00:53:16 um
00:53:19 I believe it’s 21
00:53:23 uh where I can go get it in my uh
00:53:27 jst jst Matthew 21 uh no I need to go
00:53:31 get the Kindle
00:53:34 so let me let me read it
00:53:37 because this is the perfect definition
00:53:39 of Christ as both rocks
00:53:42 okay Mark of judgment and the rock of
00:53:46 shelter
00:53:49 when the chief Priests of Pharisees had
00:53:51 heard his Parables they perceived that
00:53:53 he spake of them and they said among
00:53:55 themselves shall this man think that he
00:53:56 alone can spoil this great Kingdom and
00:53:58 they were every with him but when they
00:54:00 sought to lay hands on him they feared
00:54:02 the multitude because they learned that
00:54:03 the multitude took him for a prophet
00:54:05 and now his disciples came to him and
00:54:08 Jesus said unto them Marvel yet the
00:54:09 words of the parable which I spake unto
00:54:11 them barely I say unto you I am the
00:54:14 stone and those Wicked ones reject me
00:54:17 I am the head of the corner these Jews
00:54:20 shall fall upon me and shall be broken
00:54:23 the kingdom of God shall be taken from
00:54:25 them and shall be given to a nation
00:54:27 bringing forth the fruits thereof
00:54:29 meaning the Gentiles
00:54:32 wherefore on whomsoever this Stone shall
00:54:35 fall it shall grind him to powder this
00:54:38 is Christ as the Judgment Stone yeah
00:54:42 and when the Lord and when the Lord
00:54:43 thereof The Vineyard cometh he will
00:54:45 destroy those miserable wicked men and
00:54:48 will let again his Vineyard to other
00:54:50 husbandmen even in the last days who
00:54:52 shall render
00:54:53 you shall render him the fruits and
00:54:56 their seasons and that understood they
00:54:58 the parable which he spake unto them
00:55:00 that the Gentiles should also be it
00:55:03 should be destroyed also when the Lord
00:55:05 should descend Out of Heaven to reign in
00:55:07 his Vineyard which is the earth and the
00:55:09 inhabitants thereof that one even brings
00:55:12 up the second coming in addition also
00:55:14 which is
00:55:15 my second strong argument for stoning
00:55:18 hasn’t been done away with
00:55:20 yeah and actually I didn’t I was I
00:55:23 didn’t think of that because I’m I
00:55:25 believe in the New Testament I don’t
00:55:26 study as much as I do Torah and Book of
00:55:28 Mormon but that’s basically just saying
00:55:30 what I just said right yes that’s just
00:55:34 the translation Matthew 21
00:55:38 uh it’s of the verses 40 of the verse
00:55:42 all that came out of the verses 45 and
00:55:45 46 became 47 through 56. okay so these
00:55:49 last oh
00:55:50 um yeah
00:55:52 so I guess my uh what I saw from The
00:55:56 Book of Mormon and and Torah wasn’t
00:55:58 crazy then if it’s in the jsd
00:56:02 yeah yeah
00:56:05 I guess it was inspired maybe this is
00:56:07 yet another instance where we see where
00:56:10 we see that Jesus Christ came not to do
00:56:13 away Torah
00:56:16 no Taurus but Thor’s perfect according
00:56:20 to Psalms people even people who don’t
00:56:23 like quote quote Torah they love Psalms
00:56:25 and Psalms states that Torah is perfect
00:56:28 yep
00:56:30 um
00:56:31 and it’s I think I think a big thing
00:56:35 when I look at some of them and think
00:56:37 about some of these things in history
00:56:39 and I think the biggest problem on or
00:56:42 maybe what started it is the confusion
00:56:45 between which law of Moses and what is
00:56:47 Torah where most Jews and Christians put
00:56:51 them together there are very few
00:56:55 that I’ve come across that know that
00:56:57 they’re different
00:56:59 very few
00:57:01 um
00:57:02 and I only started seeing it after God
00:57:05 told it to me because I actually started
00:57:07 looking for it yeah
00:57:10 um
00:57:11 but anyways
00:57:14 because something something changed
00:57:17 and there’s this big fight about what
00:57:19 changed and when you think poor in law
00:57:22 and Moses are the same thing
00:57:24 what do you have to go off of right It’s
00:57:27 All or Nothing
00:57:29 right
00:57:31 and the Jews are right Torah wasn’t done
00:57:34 away with the Christians are right law
00:57:36 Moses was done away with but they don’t
00:57:37 they don’t know that they’re different
00:57:39 and that causes a big fight anyways
00:57:45 foreign so that’s my main deeper thing
00:57:49 on
00:57:50 on the stoning it’s
00:57:53 I mean we could probably get more into
00:57:55 it but that’s the the meat of it
00:57:57 um so I I don’t have any more on that
00:57:59 that’s mainly what I wanted to cover on
00:58:01 that subject well that’s pretty cool
00:58:03 thanks for thanks for sharing yeah
00:58:08 um
00:58:09 but at the other thing I just
00:58:12 I just kept asking where is it taken
00:58:15 away show me a verse
00:58:18 yeah
00:58:19 I’ll be honest I’m not gonna go out and
00:58:21 expand stuff like this to people who are
00:58:24 non-believers
00:58:25 but I just I’m not going to
00:58:29 I mean if they want they can now listen
00:58:31 to it since I gave it to you but you
00:58:33 know that’s what the scriptures are
00:58:37 so
00:58:39 um because the scriptures are
00:58:41 the expounding of scriptures to people
00:58:43 who needed that were willing to listen
00:58:45 for the most part there’s a few
00:58:47 exceptions but for the most part the
00:58:48 people who are willing to listen
00:58:50 yeah that’s true
00:58:52 um so anyways that that that’s the
00:58:55 little thing that I wanted to cover so
00:58:57 if you’re willing to do your thing we
00:59:00 could do that if you want okay now here
00:59:04 we are
00:59:06 I’ve got the scriptural reference pulled
00:59:08 up here okay so wait wait wait wait wait
00:59:10 wait wait do you want to share it from
00:59:11 your computer or do you want to share it
00:59:13 from mine just so that way
00:59:17 because mine’s on my phone uh okay yeah
00:59:21 so DNC what
00:59:23 88
00:59:25 starting in verse 34.
00:59:29 so I don’t know if you want to give a
00:59:31 little preface of what you’re going to
00:59:33 talk about so well we are having a
00:59:35 discussion regarding the law the other
00:59:37 day
00:59:39 um and as a result
00:59:43 I as a result I received a revelation
00:59:46 regarding this section here in section
00:59:49 eight Doctrine covenants section 88
00:59:53 um and it’s uh going it just I’m just
00:59:57 going to go ahead and
00:59:58 read
01:00:00 the scriptural reference that it’s uh
01:00:05 that that it that it stems from go ahead
01:00:08 up to 34.
01:00:11 did I go down too far sorry
01:00:22 okay starting in verse 34. sorry let me
01:00:25 finish chewing
01:00:30 and again verily I say unto you that
01:00:32 which is governed by the law is also
01:00:34 preserved by the law and perfected and
01:00:36 Sanctified by the same same aka the law
01:00:41 in fact mosiah 13 says that we are saved
01:00:45 partly by the law and that’s saying the
01:00:47 same thing right there yeah pretty much
01:00:51 and that also goes along saved from our
01:00:54 sins and not into our sins but anyways
01:00:57 that which wrecketh a law and abideth
01:01:00 not by the law but seeketh to become a
01:01:02 law unto himself or unto itself and
01:01:06 will is to abide in sin altogether
01:01:09 abideth and sin cannot be Sanctified by
01:01:11 the law what
01:01:13 were Sanctified by the law and I agree
01:01:15 and the Tabernacle shows that also
01:01:17 anyways
01:01:19 neither by Mercy
01:01:21 Justice nor judgment therefore they must
01:01:23 remain remain filthy still
01:01:27 yeah we’re born filthy
01:01:31 yeah but um I think more is going off
01:01:35 their own sins right yeah they they
01:01:38 they’re they’re not yeah they haven’t
01:01:41 applied for the sanctification right
01:01:43 well it’s just that which breaks the law
01:01:46 yeah so a person that breakthal law and
01:01:49 blah blah blah blah will remain filthy
01:01:52 still exactly
01:01:54 um because they’re not abiding the law
01:01:56 anyways and that yeah and they cannot be
01:01:59 Sanctified by law Mercy Justice or
01:02:01 judgment
01:02:03 I think that’s um a real good DNC verse
01:02:06 that I should spend more time in the DC
01:02:09 but I’m probably not going to anytime
01:02:10 soon but that’s real good verse that
01:02:12 shows that we’re Sanctified by the law
01:02:15 so if the law was done away with what
01:02:17 are you Sanctified by
01:02:20 right absolutely nothing
01:02:23 so 36 all kingdoms have a law
01:02:27 yeah and there are many kingdoms for
01:02:30 there is no space in the which there is
01:02:32 no Kingdom there is no kingdom in which
01:02:34 there is no space either a greater or a
01:02:36 lesser Kingdom and on to every kingdom
01:02:39 is given a law and under every law there
01:02:42 are certain bounds also and conditions
01:02:44 all beings who abide dot in those
01:02:47 conditions are not justified
01:02:52 that is the end of the scriptural
01:02:54 reference now
01:02:56 what
01:02:58 what I was shown
01:03:01 the law is the same the law does not
01:03:04 change
01:03:04 there is no difference between the law
01:03:07 the in the law itself
01:03:11 for those on a Celestial terrestrial or
01:03:16 Celestial level
01:03:17 I agree that’s not what makes the
01:03:19 difference
01:03:21 what makes the difference is why
01:03:24 we keep the law or don’t keep the law or
01:03:29 why they’re keeping it in that
01:03:30 particular Kingdom
01:03:32 right
01:03:35 so everyone’s going to be keeping it
01:03:37 after the resurrection right
01:03:42 but so the is he um
01:03:47 those who
01:03:50 those who keep those who keep the law of
01:03:54 God purely out of their own best
01:03:56 interests
01:03:58 are still only abated on a Celestial
01:04:01 level
01:04:06 okay
01:04:08 get it if you are keeping the law of God
01:04:10 so that you can receive blessings
01:04:14 you’re still celestial yeah because
01:04:18 you’re doing a poke quid pro pro I said
01:04:22 that wrong yeah yeah
01:04:26 so those that is that is that that right
01:04:29 there is a Celestial level law
01:04:33 that’s for applications maybe
01:04:36 application might be a better word
01:04:37 Celestial level obedience okay sure
01:04:40 Celestial level obedience the law does
01:04:43 not change obedience is what changes why
01:04:46 we obey is what changes for instance
01:04:50 people who are obeying the law in a
01:04:52 terrestrial level
01:04:55 it’s from a golden rule perspective
01:04:59 where we view each other as equals
01:05:06 um and we do
01:05:08 the law because that
01:05:11 because that
01:05:13 is what we would want done to us
01:05:18 right
01:05:21 and so that’s that is the
01:05:23 that is the second level of obedience
01:05:25 it’s not so selfish about it it’s not
01:05:29 it’s not near it’s not nearly as selfish
01:05:31 it it brings other people into the
01:05:35 picture as well and then those who obey
01:05:37 the law on a Celeste those who obey
01:05:39 celestially
01:05:43 are those
01:05:47 who obey
01:05:49 because the love of God
01:05:53 Works in them
01:05:54 and through them
01:05:57 and they
01:06:00 they love their redeemer
01:06:04 and uh
01:06:08 and they want to be like him yes and
01:06:12 that that’s yeah that’s that’s the final
01:06:16 and not only do they want to be like him
01:06:18 they want everybody to be like him
01:06:21 because they know
01:06:23 that that is the ultimate enjoy Peace
01:06:27 and Love For All Mankind is when we are
01:06:31 all like our Savior Jesus Christ
01:06:34 and that’s what peacemakers do that is
01:06:37 that is the peacemakers
01:06:39 that is
01:06:41 reverse order that would be love the
01:06:46 Lord thy God
01:06:48 love thy neighbor as that they you love
01:06:53 thyself so you’ve just
01:06:56 listed all three
01:07:02 layers of obedience
01:07:04 yep
01:07:06 yeah the the two great Commandments are
01:07:09 actually the three great Commandments
01:07:10 because you have to love yourself to
01:07:13 know how to love the other person but
01:07:15 everybody calls it the great too
01:07:19 yep the uh but the so the main thing is
01:07:22 is that the
01:07:23 you know everybody wants to everybody
01:07:26 who everybody who wants to talk about
01:07:29 these pretended Mysteries
01:07:31 they want to talk about higher laws and
01:07:34 lower laws and the higher law you can
01:07:36 only receive by going home
01:07:42 the other quote for that one
01:07:48 make up make a sound a sound word you
01:07:52 know what I mean just like I throw a
01:07:55 bunch of nonsense syllables together
01:07:57 there you go what the facts of the
01:07:58 matter are the law Remains the Same yeah
01:08:01 and it’s interesting you know the tea
01:08:04 lestral world is governed by the Holy
01:08:06 Ghost and what is the Holy Ghost
01:08:08 it’s the law
01:08:10 right so
01:08:13 um so if you want to if you don’t want
01:08:14 to be under the law you need to at least
01:08:15 be terrestrial
01:08:19 well
01:08:21 um I I don’t know what’s going on in in
01:08:23 outer Darkness so maybe you need to go
01:08:25 there if you don’t want the law you know
01:08:28 I’m I’m talking about okay
01:08:30 it’s about living in the law and being
01:08:33 under the law as if they are two
01:08:35 different things well yeah you’re under
01:08:37 the law because of the curse you’re
01:08:38 under the curse of the law
01:08:40 yeah right
01:08:43 that’s why I say if you don’t want to be
01:08:46 under the law you have to at least be
01:08:49 above that Celestial under you yeah okay
01:08:51 I I get you yeah because above that
01:08:54 Celestial understanding of why you’re
01:08:56 keeping it yeah okay I can buy that but
01:08:58 I I would put outer Darkness mores
01:09:00 underneath but I I can see the celestial
01:09:03 in that state too yeah even I I I don’t
01:09:08 think the scriptures actually State much
01:09:09 what goes on down in that outer Darkness
01:09:11 area so yeah well the and I think the
01:09:16 main what should make your focus I think
01:09:20 anyway about that
01:09:22 um
01:09:23 what I was saying is uh I think that uh
01:09:30 a lot of people vastly underestimate the
01:09:33 number of people that are going to be
01:09:34 going there
01:09:35 to the tea lestrol no doubt of Darkness
01:09:39 um
01:09:40 that could be I haven’t really thought
01:09:42 about
01:09:43 that when you consider when you consider
01:09:46 well how is it how is it the cloud of
01:09:49 darkness is distract
01:09:50 let’s go
01:09:54 coming in section 76. yeah let me go
01:09:57 there
01:09:58 um it’s been a while
01:10:05 now after my mission I bought that
01:10:07 section in poetry form from Deseret Book
01:10:10 and I liked it I just
01:10:13 they’re there’s there’s one you know the
01:10:17 telestral state
01:10:19 that
01:10:20 you’re following a prophet there in the
01:10:23 tea lestrol
01:10:24 foreign
01:10:26 Church encourage people to do
01:10:30 well uh
01:10:34 anyways all right so let’s let’s
01:10:37 do the Islamic way
01:10:43 you know the fact that the LDS church
01:10:47 states that Muhammad was a prophet just
01:10:50 proves that they themselves are not
01:10:52 prophets but anyways that’s a whole
01:10:54 other subject exactly so here we go uh
01:10:58 uh which we’re going to start first 30 I
01:11:01 think okay it’s been a while since I’ve
01:11:03 read this section
01:11:05 okay
01:11:07 and you saw a vision of the sufferings
01:11:10 of those with whom he made war and
01:11:11 overcame
01:11:12 for thus came the voice of the Lord unto
01:11:14 us thus saith the Lord concerning all
01:11:16 those who know all those who know my
01:11:19 power and have been partakers thereof
01:11:21 and have suffered themselves through the
01:11:23 power of the devil to be overcome to
01:11:26 deny the truth and defy my power they
01:11:28 are they who are the sons of Perdition
01:11:30 of whom I say it had been better for
01:11:32 them never to have been born for they
01:11:35 are vessels of Wrath doomed to suffer
01:11:38 the wrath of God with the devil and his
01:11:40 angels in eternity concerning whom I
01:11:42 have said there is no forgiveness in
01:11:45 this world nor in the world to come
01:11:47 having denied the Holy Spirit after
01:11:49 having received it having denied the
01:11:52 only begotten son of the father having
01:11:54 crucified him unto themselves unto
01:11:56 themselves and put him to an open shame
01:11:59 these are they who shall go away into
01:12:01 the lake of fire and brimstone with the
01:12:03 devil and his angels the only ones on
01:12:06 whom the second death shall have any
01:12:09 power
01:12:11 yeah verily the only ones who shall not
01:12:13 be redeemed in the due time of the Lord
01:12:16 after the sufferings of this Wrath
01:12:23 so but then again
01:12:26 when you look at when you look at who
01:12:28 goes to the celestial there’s a it’s a
01:12:31 broad net for the celestial
01:12:33 oh yeah that’s you know Stars have
01:12:37 uh different levels but I can’t remember
01:12:39 the exact phrase right but the different
01:12:41 brightness is probably more what it is
01:12:43 there
01:12:45 um
01:12:47 but I mean there’s a very specific set
01:12:50 of things that you have to have done
01:12:52 you have to you have to have known the
01:12:55 power of God so maybe there’s not that
01:12:57 many going to this point I I’ll be
01:13:00 honest I’m
01:13:02 I don’t see how you you’re thinking
01:13:04 you’re getting them a lot out of that
01:13:05 one
01:13:07 um
01:13:08 because I do think a lot of people
01:13:11 do get the power of
01:13:13 of God helping them in their lives
01:13:15 but I don’t think they know it where
01:13:17 it’s coming from right that’s true
01:13:20 that’s true
01:13:22 um about even the atheists I I there’s
01:13:25 good atheists out there literally some
01:13:28 atheists are better than Christians or
01:13:30 Believers or whatever you want to call
01:13:32 them
01:13:33 well I always I always
01:13:36 I always found I always um
01:13:40 yeah atheists are
01:13:44 atheists throughout the I mean they’re
01:13:46 not out of hold they’re not that bad uh
01:13:50 I I think just the general atheist
01:13:52 believer for lack of a better term I
01:13:54 would agree with you the the leadership
01:13:57 is a whole other ball game but right I
01:14:00 would say that pretty much of most even
01:14:02 believing churches too it the the
01:14:05 general membership
01:14:06 they’re generally good and just try to
01:14:08 do what they think is right
01:14:10 it’s the leaderships
01:14:13 that are the general problems and just
01:14:15 about everywhere yeah
01:14:19 um
01:14:20 I would put that even with the atheists
01:14:23 now they may not have a formal structure
01:14:25 but it would be the leaders would be the
01:14:27 ones that are really promoting the stuff
01:14:29 versus
01:14:30 those who are being deceived and led
01:14:33 into it right yeah so I think the
01:14:36 Celestial Kingdom probably has the
01:14:38 widest net and catches the most I would
01:14:41 tend to think so myself but
01:14:44 um that’s I will honestly say that I
01:14:47 that is some speculation but it makes
01:14:49 the most sense
01:14:50 yeah
01:14:51 um
01:14:52 but
01:14:53 yeah
01:14:54 but
01:14:55 um
01:14:56 one thing
01:14:58 uh that I need to do is bring out how
01:15:01 the Three Kingdoms and
01:15:04 outer Darkness deals
01:15:06 with the
01:15:09 um
01:15:10 three feasts actually and also
01:15:14 there’s a lot of Parables where there’s
01:15:16 four distinctions because I know
01:15:20 um
01:15:21 at least the LDS church I’m not quite
01:15:23 sure on other restoration groups if they
01:15:25 believe in the Three Kingdoms I think
01:15:27 others probably
01:15:29 don’t so much but I mean well most of
01:15:33 those think that’s one of our stranger
01:15:34 doctrines right this is one that I think
01:15:37 it’s
01:15:38 I actually see it
01:15:40 um but it’s it’s hidden it’s one of the
01:15:42 Mysteries that Joseph Smith was allowed
01:15:44 to bring out is but how I see it but I
01:15:47 see it
01:15:48 in the three the three seats right or
01:15:52 the three segments of Feasts right
01:15:55 because there’s seven feasts or well
01:15:58 I shouldn’t say that because they’re
01:16:00 they’re seven holidays because one of
01:16:02 the holidays you’re actually supposed to
01:16:04 fast day of atonement right that’s a
01:16:06 faster yeah it’s not a feast that one’s
01:16:08 not actually a feast but I guess you
01:16:09 could make after the fasting of feast so
01:16:12 maybe but anyways but what’s commanded
01:16:14 is a fast right but anyways
01:16:18 um but there’s three segments and when
01:16:21 you look at the types of things that are
01:16:24 harvested how they’re harvested
01:16:26 I see patterns with the Three Kingdoms
01:16:29 in DNC 76 yeah I can see that and then
01:16:34 then there’s the fourth group those that
01:16:36 are burned outer Darkness right and I
01:16:39 see that in a lot of parables in the New
01:16:42 Testament where segments there’s four
01:16:45 groups in a lot of places I see Three
01:16:49 Kingdoms and outer darkness and I need
01:16:51 to do a post to
01:16:54 um
01:16:54 flush that out a lot but I I see a lot
01:16:57 of parallels but I haven’t done
01:16:59 all the hard work I see the parallels on
01:17:03 the surface you know just quickly
01:17:05 looking at it yeah I need to flush it
01:17:07 out so that way
01:17:09 um other people can see it more quickly
01:17:11 also
01:17:13 um when I’ll get to that who knows
01:17:15 at my right
01:17:18 but yeah that that’s what that’s what I
01:17:21 received this last week
01:17:24 uh from the Lord going through Section
01:17:26 88
01:17:28 mostly because somebody in the largely
01:17:32 because
01:17:34 the same person who’s talking about the
01:17:36 Lord’s law of allowance
01:17:38 so he basically said that I was
01:17:41 contradicting section 88 so I went
01:17:43 through Section 88 and then prayed and
01:17:46 meditated on the word and received this
01:17:49 well I
01:17:52 I find it interesting that those who
01:17:54 don’t know will claim stuff like that
01:17:56 but they won’t get into specifics
01:18:02 um and and one of the things that I do
01:18:04 is like okay well that’s a whole chapter
01:18:07 which how am I specifically
01:18:10 contradicting it and most of the time
01:18:13 people can’t tell me they can just do
01:18:15 generals because they think that they
01:18:17 can get away with it but then I ask okay
01:18:19 what verse and how
01:18:21 I thought you should maybe ask him that
01:18:23 but anyways I I’m not there I actually
01:18:27 gave I actually shared that out with you
01:18:30 and he kept I actually shared that out
01:18:34 and he kept trying to say that I was
01:18:36 contradicting the scripture so but he’s
01:18:39 not giving specifics is he or no he’s
01:18:42 not I got any specifics on verses and
01:18:45 then he persisted trying to tell me that
01:18:47 the 11th Article of Faith was part of
01:18:49 the law of God
01:18:52 um which is what he derives a lot of his
01:18:56 concept and thinking of what the Lord’s
01:18:58 law of allowance is
01:19:02 talk about corruption we claim the
01:19:04 privilege of worshiping all God
01:19:05 according to our own dictates okay well
01:19:08 oh boy so when God tells you how to do
01:19:12 it
01:19:13 that that’s an allowance but I what I’ve
01:19:16 put it’s like no it’s a let them worship
01:19:19 how where or what they make well I know
01:19:22 11’s just saying people have their
01:19:23 agency is basically what 11 is right
01:19:26 but yeah so but he’s turning that into
01:19:30 saying that God tells you you can
01:19:31 worship however you want versus you’re
01:19:34 allowed to do however what you want he’s
01:19:36 twisting it and wrestling it right right
01:19:39 he’s resting the scriptures
01:19:42 he’s turning in the privilege into a
01:19:45 right rather than the the choosing
01:19:49 because it’s a choosing your privilege
01:19:51 is to choose not to decide the right way
01:19:53 is to choose the right way well the
01:19:57 whole thing is yeah that’s right and the
01:19:59 thing is is that uh Eden likes the fact
01:20:02 and it stemmed around the idea that I
01:20:05 was bringing up the
01:20:07 Sunday Sabbath worship was not correct
01:20:10 yeah
01:20:12 it’s nowhere in the New Testament in
01:20:14 fact even the Catholic Church amidst
01:20:16 that
01:20:17 yeah
01:20:19 right it’s nowhere in the New Testament
01:20:22 yeah and in fact the Catholic Church
01:20:25 admits that their mark
01:20:29 is that they changed the Sabbath
01:20:32 and I I bolded emphasized mark on
01:20:37 purpose yes yep
01:20:42 so all these things that people are
01:20:44 looking at is the mark of the beast
01:20:45 these are just simple control mechanisms
01:20:48 for those who are already marked
01:20:50 yeah they’re they’re so distracted on
01:20:54 things that the Jesuits are throwing out
01:20:56 there to keep them distracted from the
01:20:58 truth
01:20:59 and it’s as simple
01:21:01 it’s the Sabbath my question my question
01:21:04 to anybody would be this
01:21:08 why should you be afraid of the Mark if
01:21:11 you have the Seal of God upon you
01:21:16 well if you have the seal you won’t get
01:21:18 the mark
01:21:19 but that’s my point
01:21:22 that’s my point yeah and my point it was
01:21:26 earlier
01:21:28 it’s the Sabbath
01:21:29 exactly the Mark it’s not that you’re
01:21:32 doing everything perfect because we
01:21:34 don’t
01:21:36 um especially when we start right you
01:21:39 can get to the point that you will but
01:21:40 like I’ve admitted here I’m still
01:21:42 working on figuring out some of the
01:21:43 nitty-gritty details of the law there’s
01:21:46 things I don’t know
01:21:47 and I there’s gonna always be things I
01:21:50 don’t know until the day I die right but
01:21:53 seriously though if you really want to
01:21:55 get into the nitty-gritty of the law
01:21:57 after you read the five books of Moses
01:22:01 read Paul oh yeah oh my gosh
01:22:07 yeah that’s amazing
01:22:10 but my main point is
01:22:13 the Sabbath of this the seal
01:22:16 breaking the Sabbath guess what is a
01:22:19 capital sin
01:22:21 a guy collected sticks on the Sabbath
01:22:25 he wasn’t hurting anybody so a lot of
01:22:27 people think you know laws should just
01:22:29 be only what hurts other people
01:22:32 in general I can agree but when you
01:22:34 actually see Torah Torah contradicts
01:22:37 that
01:22:39 who was that guy hurting collecting
01:22:41 sticks on the Sabbath he hurt no one he
01:22:44 was out in the wilderness all by himself
01:22:46 he wasn’t hurting anybody
01:22:48 but yet he got capital punishment
01:22:51 the reason why is because
01:22:54 that’s the seal
01:22:58 capital punishment is death
01:23:01 as in
01:23:03 physical and spiritual death the mark
01:23:07 right
01:23:10 this is why I honestly believe God put
01:23:14 it on my heart initially and I didn’t
01:23:17 understand why to search out the real
01:23:19 Sabbath
01:23:21 because that’s just a weird thing
01:23:24 it’s because it’s the seal
01:23:27 it is the seal
01:23:31 yep
01:23:32 do it or die yeah literally
01:23:39 The Book of Revelations knows this
01:23:41 yeah
01:23:42 John knew it John is so versed in the
01:23:46 law
01:23:47 Silvers in uh
01:23:51 and uh
01:23:55 and the prophets
01:23:57 the sabbaths are how we worship God
01:24:02 and what does Satan want us to do
01:24:03 ultimately
01:24:05 he wants us to bow down to him that is
01:24:07 worship
01:24:09 and anything and worshiping anything
01:24:12 other than God is worshiping Satan
01:24:16 yes and breaking the law
01:24:20 yep
01:24:21 anyways
01:24:24 the Sabbath is the seal I I I don’t know
01:24:28 how much else to say it you want to be
01:24:31 sealed
01:24:34 are you saying or SDA our friends over
01:24:37 at the SDA have one thing right
01:24:40 you know that would have the Sabbath
01:24:41 right they don’t have the Sabbath right
01:24:43 well no but the seal they are believer
01:24:47 that the seal is the Sabbath day worship
01:24:50 oh yeah yeah that they have right
01:24:52 they’re probably not worshiping
01:24:54 correctly to be honest because they
01:24:56 actually go from evening to evening
01:24:57 instead of morning to morning so there’s
01:25:00 they still don’t have the Sabbath right
01:25:01 even on the Gagarin calendar which is
01:25:04 not God’s calendar yahweh’s calendar but
01:25:07 they go evening to evening the
01:25:09 scriptures testify morning to morning
01:25:13 Book of Mormon and Bible
01:25:17 yeah it’s throughout the Bible
01:25:19 there’s little there’s verses throughout
01:25:22 the Bible that indicate the
01:25:24 the morning to morning was the limit
01:25:27 it doesn’t just come out and say it
01:25:28 except maybe Genesis 1 right but right
01:25:32 other places Genesis chapter one
01:25:35 basically lays it all out
01:25:37 for anybody except somebody who doesn’t
01:25:40 want to see it
01:25:41 Amen brother
01:25:43 amen
01:25:46 I think hey because
01:25:49 let’s go
01:25:53 let’s go there
01:25:57 in my new scriptures that I have not yet
01:25:59 been able to work the Gilded edge off
01:26:01 the cover
01:26:05 uh which of the six days do you want
01:26:07 I’ll go to that
01:26:14 yeah I mean let’s you know let’s start
01:26:17 with the let’s start with day one
01:26:21 um which first I I what would be verse
01:26:25 that would be verse three okay because
01:26:28 FYI has new moon day in here just FYI
01:26:31 but anyways that can be a discussion for
01:26:34 another day huh oh what is that the
01:26:38 beginning God created the Heaven and the
01:26:41 Earth
01:26:42 and the Earth is without form and void
01:26:44 there is a new moon day and darkness was
01:26:47 upon the face of the deep yeah dark
01:26:50 conjunction
01:26:53 okay I didn’t want to go too much into
01:26:56 that because I didn’t want to Sidetrack
01:26:57 it too much I just wanted okay God said
01:26:59 let there be light that’s the day
01:27:03 starts with light yep hey God saw the
01:27:08 light that it was good and God divided
01:27:10 the light from the darkness that God
01:27:12 called the light day and the Darkness he
01:27:15 called night
01:27:17 and the evening and the morning were the
01:27:21 first day
01:27:23 yeah it started with morning he does he
01:27:27 does his work day and there’s evening
01:27:30 and then there’s Morty then the sun
01:27:33 comes up the next day for another work
01:27:34 day
01:27:36 right so it’s interesting people don’t
01:27:38 want to
01:27:40 um
01:27:41 have brought out is evening is the name
01:27:43 of the first night watch and morning is
01:27:46 the name of the last night watch and I
01:27:49 I’m I’ll show other people
01:27:53 so you do your work
01:27:55 then you have your first part of night
01:27:56 in your last part of night right
01:28:00 it’s unless you want to proof text
01:28:03 something else and it’s so obvious
01:28:06 right
01:28:07 well the plus there’s the fact
01:28:10 that it doesn’t that it doesn’t say
01:28:16 it doesn’t what it doesn’t say is from
01:28:18 Ed from evening to evening was the first
01:28:20 day
01:28:21 no it says so if you want to claim
01:28:24 evening to morning the most you can get
01:28:27 out of that is maybe 8 to 12 hours not
01:28:30 24 right right right exactly it doesn’t
01:28:33 say evening to evening it says evening
01:28:36 and morning we’re so what you’re looking
01:28:38 at there is
01:28:40 probably six hours
01:28:42 so just just FYI you’re seeing a lot of
01:28:45 calendar stuff that actually haven’t
01:28:46 published or given reference to because
01:28:49 I have a lot more calendar stuff than I
01:28:51 have actually shared
01:28:53 this is probably the one that has the
01:28:54 most
01:28:55 I’m trying to find my uh night watches
01:28:58 little section
01:29:01 [Music]
01:29:02 uh oh there we go so here’s fortnite
01:29:05 watches I have a couple I have three
01:29:06 links to that
01:29:08 um
01:29:12 oh look
01:29:15 Fourth Watch is called the morning watch
01:29:18 right there
01:29:20 um let’s go check this one
01:29:23 oh look namely the morning
01:29:28 oh wait
01:29:28 [Music]
01:29:29 um
01:29:30 between the evenings oh no no that’s we
01:29:33 need to go down more oh boy there’s
01:29:38 no that this one
01:29:42 uh this one this one’s gonna take a
01:29:44 let’s
01:29:46 let’s try this one
01:29:48 that other one’s a little longer I can
01:29:52 oh it would help if I
01:29:54 did the right letters
01:29:57 so three in the morning is talking about
01:30:00 that’s the morning watch
01:30:03 car showing is
01:30:05 just before the dawn
01:30:08 or evenings stop crawling or Dawn
01:30:12 so that’s the first three
01:30:16 uh I was talking about morning up here
01:30:19 so it must be naming morning as the
01:30:21 fourth so anyways
01:30:23 four watches I can try to find in this
01:30:25 one if you want but you get the idea
01:30:26 right yeah
01:30:30 there’s
01:30:32 four watches and the last one is morning
01:30:36 but for I mean to my mind though the
01:30:40 in the account of creation settles up
01:30:44 I agree with you but poop people who
01:30:47 want evening to evening proof text it
01:30:50 but that’s because but that’s because
01:30:53 they’re stupid
01:30:55 uh
01:30:56 say it settles it about as much as Jacob
01:31:00 too settles polygamy
01:31:02 yeah pretty much yeah
01:31:04 that’s a good comparison yeah yeah I
01:31:08 mean
01:31:09 they have to ignore the word otherwise
01:31:13 and then also how the word things is
01:31:16 used throughout that whole last half
01:31:18 right and and all the beat ignore all
01:31:22 the bees like I showed you earlier which
01:31:24 I’ll show again right now just because
01:31:25 that wasn’t recorded just so that way it
01:31:28 can get recorded again it it’s just
01:31:32 mind-blowing to be honest
01:31:35 um that these people think they can get
01:31:38 away with it but basically
01:31:40 they have to justify Brigham Young they
01:31:43 have to
01:31:44 they have to justify Brigham Young
01:31:47 that’s what it comes down to
01:31:51 because they won’t do it even all these
01:31:53 people who claim it’s right they won’t
01:31:56 do it because they know it’s wrong but
01:31:58 they have to justify
01:32:02 King Brigham
01:32:03 they have to otherwise their Foundation
01:32:07 Falls because that’s their Foundation
01:32:11 right that big otherwise
01:32:17 B B and B it’s all the same thing and
01:32:22 look they’re condemned for not keeping
01:32:24 the Commandments and they were doing
01:32:26 these things
01:32:28 and these things yep
01:32:31 the house to take stuff out of context
01:32:34 to get polygamy
01:32:36 they have to
01:32:39 they just need to wake up to it but they
01:32:42 won’t because there’s no light in them
01:32:44 AKA there’s no law in them
01:32:47 they are they hate the law and they
01:32:50 won’t be Sanctified by the law just like
01:32:52 dnc88 just brought out right the law
01:32:55 says
01:32:57 the law of sacrifice
01:32:59 on a certain level
01:33:01 Jesus is the only thing it’s a portion
01:33:04 of the sanctification Jesus Christ Jesus
01:33:06 Christ does the most Lord
01:33:08 yes but he can’t save you in your sins
01:33:12 he saves you from your sins meaning you
01:33:15 left it behind
01:33:17 yeah
01:33:21 otherwise why do we have why do we have
01:33:24 to keep going up preaching repentance
01:33:26 if Jesus Christ will save us in our sins
01:33:30 why do we have to go out and keep
01:33:32 preaching repentance or if it was nailed
01:33:35 to the cross and there is no more law
01:33:36 why do you need a savior if there is no
01:33:39 law how did you sin that you need it
01:33:41 or need one right
01:33:47 yeah people don’t like it when I ask
01:33:48 that because there is no answer to it
01:33:53 yeah there’s no there’s no answer to
01:33:55 that question
01:33:56 no
01:33:59 anyways so
01:34:02 Danny
01:34:04 since I shared something Ben said
01:34:07 something do you want to share something
01:34:10 I know I’m putting you on the spot sorry
01:34:11 and if you don’t I have some something
01:34:14 else I could share unless you guys want
01:34:15 to call it a night but I’m I’m uh I’m
01:34:19 feeling kind of a little under the
01:34:20 weather
01:34:21 so if Danny doesn’t have anything to
01:34:24 share I would really appreciate being
01:34:27 able to get to bed oh okay so
01:34:31 um
01:34:31 um I don’t I don’t necessarily off the
01:34:35 top
01:34:37 um I’ve been reading kind of split right
01:34:40 now going through Isaiah for the first
01:34:43 time with my 13 year old
01:34:46 and breaking in my gilded scriptures
01:34:50 that I got
01:34:52 starting about that Genesis so I’m at
01:34:56 like I think Genesis 18 or 19 right now
01:35:00 um
01:35:01 and it’s it’s been interesting I think
01:35:05 I already mentioned to Stephen but like
01:35:09 there’s just some things that once you
01:35:12 are aware of it you can’t unsee it and
01:35:15 I’m starting to see the the new moons
01:35:18 and sabbaths kind of everywhere
01:35:22 yeah you can’t have a new moon day
01:35:25 without lunar Sabbath it just it causes
01:35:30 hell
01:35:32 with without the lunar Sabbath New Moon
01:35:35 days
01:35:39 because then you lose your six days of
01:35:41 work
01:35:44 yeah and it just makes sense like
01:35:47 um has been pointed out in so many
01:35:50 different
01:35:52 um
01:35:53 little discussions or disputations
01:35:57 how many times the calendar has been
01:36:00 changed or
01:36:03 perverted to worship different things
01:36:06 and
01:36:08 you can’t
01:36:09 change or deceive
01:36:14 a Moon based calendar Mom it’s it’s
01:36:18 lunar solar it’s both okay but when what
01:36:22 governs it is out of control of man man
01:36:25 can’t change it where the the calendar
01:36:28 that most men keep is controlled by men
01:36:32 so it’s it’s gone through many
01:36:37 changes and so many that I don’t think
01:36:42 nobody knows all of them
01:36:45 but very few look into it
01:36:48 um
01:36:49 in fact I
01:36:52 don’t know
01:36:56 the picture I shared the most on this
01:36:59 subject
01:37:01 Saturday used to be the first day of the
01:37:03 week
01:37:05 of the Pagan Catholic Rome Gregorian
01:37:09 calendar it used to be
01:37:12 Saturday so if
01:37:16 man changed which day the week was first
01:37:18 do you go by The Continuous count
01:37:23 which people claim like sdas
01:37:26 or do you go buy what’s on the wall
01:37:28 because there’s problems either way but
01:37:31 sdas aren’t going by the continuous
01:37:34 count because Saturday used to be the
01:37:37 first day then Sunday number one they’re
01:37:40 not going they’re not going by the
01:37:41 continuous count because such a thing
01:37:43 does not exist well I agree with you in
01:37:46 fact Jews admit that Nazarene Jews admit
01:37:49 that that they’re just
01:37:52 doing it because it’s on the current
01:37:53 wall not because someone’s cut the count
01:37:58 because
01:37:59 that’s not how it is
01:38:01 and in in the law it states Thou shalt
01:38:05 work six days and the seventh day you
01:38:08 shall rest it never States
01:38:11 how long that rest is it doesn’t say
01:38:13 it’s one always one day most the time it
01:38:16 is one day but it never States it’s
01:38:18 always one day because currently
01:38:20 sometimes it’s two and sometimes it’s
01:38:22 three
01:38:23 were in Noah’s day it was oh it it was
01:38:26 either one or three right now it can be
01:38:28 one two or three because of the lunar
01:38:31 um cycle change but anyways
01:38:35 but it never States how long that rest
01:38:36 is
01:38:38 right it says six days work then rest it
01:38:41 never States how long that rest is
01:38:43 yep
01:38:45 and that trips a lot of people up
01:38:50 because of what they see on their wall
01:38:52 but that’s why I have my calendar where
01:38:54 I mix the two calendars together to make
01:38:56 it easier for people
01:38:59 um
01:39:02 new moons and the sabbaths are very
01:39:05 important and I’m going to be making a
01:39:07 presentation on that
01:39:10 to uh
01:39:13 to the people of the of the uh followers
01:39:16 of Christ group
01:39:18 well I hope it goes well and hopefully
01:39:20 I’m also going to my resources help give
01:39:22 you uh a lot of information to help you
01:39:25 yeah yeah there’s a lot of there’s a lot
01:39:29 of good information there another uh I’m
01:39:32 also going to be uh presenting on the
01:39:35 changes of times and seasons
01:39:37 as well
01:39:39 okay
01:39:41 um as in how Satan’s changed it or yeah
01:39:44 as to why we cannot be looking what
01:39:49 because this is the this is the primary
01:39:51 leg
01:39:53 for why neither Sunday or Saturday or
01:39:56 right
01:39:57 most of the time they are right
01:39:59 sometimes they’re all right they’re most
01:40:01 but they’re not but they’re not
01:40:03 because they’re based on Sunday Saturday
01:40:07 both based on a pagan calendar sometimes
01:40:13 they hit the right so neither Saturday
01:40:14 nor Sunday is the correct Sabbath day
01:40:18 just because the correct Sabbath day
01:40:20 correspond with a Saturday a pagan
01:40:23 Saturday or a pagan Sunday doesn’t mean
01:40:26 that that is the Sabbath day you’re
01:40:28 you’re you’re you’re right you’re right
01:40:30 you’re right and so therefore
01:40:34 uh so in order to make the case in order
01:40:38 to make the best possible case for the
01:40:40 lunar Sabbath you also have to make the
01:40:42 make the case
01:40:45 a
01:40:46 for how God for how God tells his time
01:40:49 mm-hmm
01:40:51 and B
01:40:55 how man change the change the times and
01:40:58 Seasons yeah and I have stuff under my
01:41:01 resources Pages for both in fact if you
01:41:03 if you’ve installed my app and you look
01:41:05 at the emblem
01:41:07 and you look at it and really look at it
01:41:10 you’ll notice I only have Sun Moon and
01:41:13 shadows because that’s the only things
01:41:15 that should be used
01:41:16 yeah there’s no there’s no stars and I
01:41:19 did I requested that on purpose there is
01:41:23 no stars it’s sun moon stars I mean Sun
01:41:26 means shadows and shadows are based off
01:41:28 of the Sun so you just need the Sun and
01:41:30 the Moon Genesis 1 14 the two great
01:41:34 lights the Sun and Moon yeah the uh
01:41:38 otherwise otherwise known as the you
01:41:40 know the enochian lunar solar calendar
01:41:43 no the enochian actually uh is not that
01:41:48 but anyways okay fair enough in fact the
01:41:53 they don’t even get the number of the
01:41:55 days of the Moon correct
01:41:58 they sometimes say it’s 28 which has
01:42:00 never happened the moon’s never had only
01:42:03 28 days that’s true
01:42:05 it’s in nose day it was 30 period up to
01:42:11 700 BC it was 30 period after that it
01:42:16 was 29 or 30. it’s never been 28. never
01:42:19 I hear you
01:42:22 and the enochian
01:42:24 calendars it’s plural because there’s
01:42:26 multiple in that stupid Book of Enoch
01:42:29 yeah they contradict each other
01:42:34 which is one way that you yeah this is
01:42:36 one way you can tell that it’s uh
01:42:39 the book contradicts itself
01:42:41 yeah on multiple areas not just the
01:42:43 calendar but other areas too and it
01:42:45 contradicts the jst also
01:42:51 yeah anyways I don’t like that book if
01:42:53 you can’t tell
01:42:55 what are you talking about you
01:42:58 absolutely adore it
01:43:02 I can tell but I could tell by the
01:43:05 absolutely disgusted I’m barfing in my
01:43:07 wine glass face the day while you were
01:43:09 talking about it oh this sounds so great
01:43:16 it leads so many people away I yeah
01:43:21 well never mind the fact that it’s how
01:43:25 how often do we see people wanting to
01:43:29 accept things that are stated as
01:43:32 interpretive
01:43:35 as scripture because it particled their
01:43:39 fancy well so a lot of people claim it
01:43:42 can’t be wrong because it was a the Dead
01:43:44 Sea it Scrolls that doesn’t mean
01:43:47 anything just because it’s an old
01:43:49 fallacy doesn’t mean it’s a correct
01:43:51 fallacy that’s right right
01:43:54 that means nothing in fact that
01:43:57 the people that does anything it all
01:43:59 approves is that has been around far
01:44:01 longer than Christianity yeah well but
01:44:04 the commentaries of the Book of Enoch
01:44:07 from the Dead Sea Scrolls states that
01:44:09 they know it wasn’t scripture yeah so
01:44:13 they can’t have it both ways but they do
01:44:15 they want their cake and eat it too
01:44:17 I mean I like cake especially cheesecake
01:44:20 but anyways
01:44:22 yeah oh yeah
01:44:25 if you’re going to
01:44:28 I’m trying to figure out which kind of
01:44:31 which kind of berry I like best in my
01:44:34 cheesecake if I’m gonna have a berry
01:44:35 School
01:44:37 I like thicker the better
01:44:39 [Laughter]
01:44:43 uh so the cheesecake in Argentina is
01:44:46 Airy so that’s what they like down here
01:44:49 but I like the their traditional thick
01:44:52 New York cheesecake
01:45:00 or cobbler person myself oh I like
01:45:03 colors cobblers are good uh a dutch oven
01:45:06 yes absolutely oh yeah
01:45:11 anyways well um if you don’t have
01:45:14 something to share we and it sounds like
01:45:17 Ben and Mountain can go to bed so we
01:45:19 should probably call it a night
01:45:21 um
01:45:22 but we are going to meet again on Monday
01:45:26 um so we
01:45:27 you could uh share you could share along
01:45:30 with all those other Beast uh
01:45:33 you know uh Feast of trumpet stuff you
01:45:35 could share what you did what you wanted
01:45:38 to share tonight as well well that’s if
01:45:40 it comes up I’m not too worried I I like
01:45:43 sharing things that God gives me but my
01:45:46 main focus is to
01:45:49 uh help people who come and also make
01:45:53 sure people feel that they can share
01:45:54 things that they get awesome because
01:45:57 it’s not I know sometimes I joke it’s
01:46:00 all about me it’s not it’s just a joke
01:46:04 it’s about all of us this is a community
01:46:05 and we’re supposed to help each other
01:46:07 we’re a body
01:46:09 right so anyways
01:46:12 and at this point the lungs the lungs of
01:46:15 this body aren’t working so high all
01:46:17 right so it’s time to call it a night so
01:46:20 uh I’m gonna stop the recording
01:46:23 um but hold on one minute okay