Summary:
Expounding part of Alma 18. We are spirits not physical bodies. Torah is everywhere. If you are not seeing the promises from YHWH in the here and now, it’s because you’re not keeping His Torah. Fear is better translated as revere in many cases. Condensation of Elohim. Earth is Elohim’s foot stool. We need to be like Elohim. Judas and Brigham Young fell. We are literally or adopted in the family of Abraham. Talking about the Second Comforter. Talking about Special Witness / Apostles. Elohim is not a liar. Belief in Hebrew thought connotes actions. Hebrew thought vs Greek thought.
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00:00:01 computer okay so today we decided to
00:00:05 continue on with
00:00:08 the chapters of Elma starting with 17
00:00:11 and going on for quite a bit actually
00:00:14 that are pattern off of yeshua’s or
00:00:18 Jesus’s mortal
00:00:20 Ministry um I don’t remember exactly we
00:00:24 where we left off last time but I’ll put
00:00:26 a link to both of them in the notes
00:00:30 um but I I’m going to take a guess that
00:00:34 we’re going to start off on 28 just
00:00:36 because we I looked into it a little bit
00:00:39 um so did you want to say the last time
00:00:42 we were and the last time we were
00:00:43 talking we there was a lot about
00:00:45 boldness so yeah yes yeah so I figured
00:00:49 that’s uh partly why I decided to start
00:00:52 with there because of
00:00:55 the Sens line separations that scowen
00:00:59 did
00:01:00 they generally make sense not always but
00:01:02 generally they do um but this is my
00:01:05 favorite edition of The Book of Mormon
00:01:07 um so I figured we’ll start with
00:01:11 28 um and Josh you want to read verse 28
00:01:15 and we’ll go from
00:01:16 there sure well actually let me do 24
00:01:20 through 27 and I’ll just read them
00:01:22 straight because that’ll probably help
00:01:24 with some context and then you can read
00:01:25 28 yeah all right so 24 and am and began
00:01:30 to speak unto him so Ammon here is a
00:01:36 type of the Messiah during his mortal
00:01:38 Ministry okay and this is unto the king
00:01:41 with boldness and said unto him
00:01:44 believest thou that there is an
00:01:47 Elohim and he answered unto him I do not
00:01:51 know what that what that meth so this is
00:01:54 just going off of how different
00:01:57 people um will talk about this same
00:02:00 things in a different way okay right
00:02:03 even just God or Elohim
00:02:07 himself and then Ammon said behold us
00:02:10 that there is a great
00:02:14 spirit now I do find that
00:02:19 um
00:02:20 insightful because at this
00:02:23 time uh in history
00:02:27 Yahweh only had a spirit because he had
00:02:30 not come down in his mortal Ministry
00:02:33 yet and on top of
00:02:36 that uh I’m not a physical body nor are
00:02:40 you you’re you’re actually a spirit in a
00:02:44 tabernacle of
00:02:46 clay um you’re not your physical body
00:02:50 that that is just something that we have
00:02:52 put on and even when we receive uh
00:02:55 glorified perfected Immortal bodies
00:03:00 they are not us they’re not who we are
00:03:03 right
00:03:04 right correct um they’re they’re a gift
00:03:08 for
00:03:10 um first of all believing yeshu is the
00:03:13 promised Messiah and coming under his
00:03:15 covering and then after that a reward
00:03:18 for her Works according to Torah right
00:03:21 right right right um
00:03:25 so um okay and and he said yeah
00:03:31 and so this is maybe Josh can pick up a
00:03:33 28 now all right and Ammon saith this is
00:03:39 God and Amon and Ammon saith unto him
00:03:43 again believest thou that this great
00:03:46 spirit which is
00:03:48 Elohim created all things which is in
00:03:52 heaven and in the
00:03:54 earth and he sayith let’s just pause
00:03:57 right there so Ammon uh here is talking
00:04:01 about how this great
00:04:03 spirit in spirit as in our soul who is
00:04:08 the great one Yeshua
00:04:12 right um and that’s why he’s putting
00:04:15 great is Elohim or the great judge
00:04:19 because that’s what eloh one of the
00:04:21 definitions of Elohim is Judge there so
00:04:25 one of the one of the things that I find
00:04:27 really interesting here and that’s one
00:04:29 of the things that as I’m starting my
00:04:32 own video ministry I’m starting from the
00:04:34 same place here that Ammon starts from
00:04:37 and what is he the first place that he
00:04:38 what is the first thing that he does he
00:04:40 introduces him to God and His nature
00:04:43 introduces him to our
00:04:46 Elohim um and his nature and the fact
00:04:48 that he created all things and that
00:04:50 there is nothing that is greater than
00:04:53 him right and uh one thing I will add
00:04:57 that all things is an idiom for Torah
00:05:02 yep yep yep yep yes it is both a it is
00:05:06 both a literal and an idiomatic
00:05:09 expression right and oh go ahead sorry
00:05:13 and oftentimes the primary expression of
00:05:15 it is based on the whether it’s being
00:05:18 primarily expressed idiomatically or
00:05:20 literally is based on the uh
00:05:24 context correct in the scripture and
00:05:27 here it could be a little tricky
00:05:30 but um uh big could probably tell us
00:05:33 which one of the because I always get
00:05:34 these two sections mixed up DNC 84 or 88
00:05:38 talks about how there is one law
00:05:41 everywhere that is do Covenant section
00:05:43 88 okay now it’s
00:05:46 interesting uh the idea of Heaven and
00:05:49 Earth
00:05:51 covers everywhere right
00:05:54 yes so that goes along with DNC 88 how
00:05:58 there is one law AKA Torah which
00:06:03 is
00:06:05 everywhere yes now clearly Loni is
00:06:09 understanding this in the literal sense
00:06:13 um all of all things I I I don’t
00:06:18 know
00:06:20 I I believe that he
00:06:23 is because I think it’s
00:06:27 possible what’s up think it’s possible
00:06:30 he’s seeing it on the surface level uh
00:06:34 just from his response I I I’m thinking
00:06:38 he’s looking at it on the surface level
00:06:40 but whether you look at it on the
00:06:42 surface level or whether you look at it
00:06:44 on the um or whether you’re looking at
00:06:47 it on the idiomatic level then you’re
00:06:50 there’s still something to be gained
00:06:52 here if you created everything that’s
00:06:54 around us that means there’s nothing
00:06:56 that’s greater than him and that and you
00:06:59 can have faith and and you and that is
00:07:01 something that you can have uh that you
00:07:03 can have assured faith in so that’s
00:07:05 something that you can that’s that’s
00:07:07 something you can gain from that now if
00:07:09 you’re looking at it from the idiomatic
00:07:11 perspective
00:07:12 oh he received this power by which
00:07:15 created
00:07:16 everything so I think Ammon is doing it
00:07:19 Ammon is doing a layered teaching here
00:07:22 because once you realize that he created
00:07:24 everything now looking at it from the
00:07:27 idiomatic perspective you also realize
00:07:29 the power by which he created
00:07:32 everything correct which um we won’t
00:07:35 Sidetrack into because it’s a long
00:07:37 Sidetrack mosiah 15 1-5 brings uh a lot
00:07:42 of that out when you’re Josh is laughing
00:07:47 because we went over that on
00:07:49 a unofficial visit with him yeah I don’t
00:07:55 if you want to say a little bit that
00:07:56 just real quickly before we move on or
00:07:59 just move on yeah I I that like you said
00:08:03 that’s a very long Sidetrack I I don’t
00:08:05 know that we necessarily need to get
00:08:08 into that right now but it was it is a
00:08:11 great Sidetrack um one that maybe we
00:08:14 could pay attention to later but another
00:08:17 day yeah it was it was it was quite
00:08:21 informative I must say yeah and I I
00:08:25 think you will also
00:08:27 say I was just bringing out what the
00:08:29 actually said right right right well and
00:08:33 here is and here’s and just but just to
00:08:34 carry this back to the um carry this
00:08:38 back to the
00:08:40 uh to the comparison that we’re making
00:08:44 here between Ammon and um and his sh and
00:08:50 him with him being a shadow of the rep
00:08:52 of the um Messiah of the
00:08:56 Messiah um the Messiah also taught
00:09:00 layered teachings like this all the time
00:09:04 oh yeah
00:09:05 yeah where you you have something that
00:09:08 has a good positive meaning at face
00:09:11 value and yet
00:09:13 also there are far it has far profounder
00:09:17 implications when you look at the when
00:09:20 you let the word play come into come
00:09:22 into effect oh yeah yeah um yes
00:09:27 completely um and we don’t need to go on
00:09:30 examples because it’s all over the place
00:09:32 and but yes all right so I I think
00:09:37 that’s good on that verse Zach you want
00:09:38 to read
00:09:42 29 and he saith okay I believe that he
00:09:46 created all things which is in the Earth
00:09:49 but I do not know the
00:09:52 heavens so I I do think this is kind of
00:09:55 some support where he only saw it on
00:09:59 kind of this surface level as Ben was
00:10:02 kind of bringing out there
00:10:05 right
00:10:07 um but he the one
00:10:11 thing um I I think this also goes along
00:10:15 with is
00:10:17 that a lot of the promises Christians
00:10:21 will
00:10:22 spiritualize where the Jews know it’s
00:10:25 supposed to be here and the
00:10:28 now right right
00:10:30 okay um and I can see that a little bit
00:10:34 in that in there um because they’re like
00:10:37 oh that’s a promise for later right yeah
00:10:40 yeah yeah that’s a promise for heaven
00:10:42 never mind the fact that heaven is
00:10:45 glorified
00:10:47 Earth
00:10:48 correct and also if you’re not seeing
00:10:51 the promises that Yahweh gave
00:10:54 now I’ll just be blunt it’s because
00:10:56 you’re not keeping his ways known as
00:10:59 Torah correct yeah you you may be you
00:11:03 you know you can go to church and you
00:11:05 can praise all
00:11:09 day and still not and still not
00:11:14 receive and still not be followed by the
00:11:16 signs that follow them that believe
00:11:18 Because unless you do the will of your
00:11:21 father who is in heaven unless you do
00:11:24 the will of
00:11:25 Elohim you do not believe believe that
00:11:30 God is as good as his word and that his
00:11:34 word is faithful because you’re treating
00:11:36 it like you’re treating the punishments
00:11:39 that he pronounces upon those who do not
00:11:43 do as he says as if they are not going
00:11:46 to happen to you well that and you are
00:11:50 cont treating you are treating the
00:11:52 promises of those who obey his law with
00:11:55 contempt
00:11:59 yeah uh because they do they do some of
00:12:01 both the people yeah like uh like yeah
00:12:04 like uh like somehow they’re owed to you
00:12:07 just because you happen to believe in
00:12:09 the right re
00:12:11 reformer um right right or or
00:12:15 restorationist or restorationist right
00:12:18 correct but the idea is the same I’m
00:12:21 just throwing that one in there also
00:12:23 just give a fuller picture what’s going
00:12:25 on right so reformer restor or
00:12:30 or the right early Christian father just
00:12:32 to even fill out the picture even more
00:12:35 good point good point yeah uh so it’s uh
00:12:39 so the point so the point remains
00:12:45 um fear God and by fear I mean rever
00:12:50 right and I would agree with that in
00:12:52 fact just on that point and we’re not
00:12:54 going to Sidetrack on this but I’ll just
00:12:56 other than what this
00:12:57 statement there’s
00:12:59 uh a verse in Job
00:13:02 1 that really makes it obvious that fear
00:13:06 would be better translated is rever in
00:13:09 many cases so right
00:13:13 um this has to do with translator bias
00:13:16 but go ahead Josh no I was gonna say it
00:13:18 has to do with translator bias it also
00:13:20 has to do with
00:13:25 a with a certain flawed understanding of
00:13:28 of
00:13:30 how we re how we respect and show our
00:13:33 love for
00:13:37 Elohim yes because
00:13:40 if look if we’re if we are living
00:13:45 Torah it’s because we Revere we respect
00:13:49 we
00:13:50 love right fear wait a minute I think
00:13:54 yes just to support that real quick
00:13:56 Yeshua said if you love me keep my
00:13:59 Commandments oh yeah very
00:14:02 good and what and what does he say he
00:14:04 will do for us after we keep his
00:14:07 Commandments and I will pray the father
00:14:09 and he will send to you another
00:14:13 comforter yes yes but here’s the thing
00:14:19 fear is the exact antithesis of
00:14:25 reverence yes so one thing we do also
00:14:28 need to keep a that we are supposed to
00:14:30 work out our salvation with fear and
00:14:33 trembling though so there is a place
00:14:36 where that word is translated correctly
00:14:38 in that case I do believe it’s fear and
00:14:41 not
00:14:42 reverence um as in to fear the
00:14:45 consequences otherwise because Elma 42
00:14:49 in second Nephi 2 actually kind of
00:14:51 brings out that point that punishments
00:14:53 are partly there to get people to repent
00:14:56 to go to Yahweh and Gain salvation which
00:15:00 goes along with fear well and the main
00:15:02 thing and the main thing about that
00:15:05 is you know people think that why we
00:15:08 start is that why we start is just as
00:15:11 important as that we start and guess
00:15:13 what it’s not no if you start from fear
00:15:17 but to grow to love your
00:15:19 God you’re in the same place as the
00:15:23 person who started from started from
00:15:25 Love and decided that they didn’t need
00:15:27 to work out their UR a better place than
00:15:30 somebody who started in the love of God
00:15:32 but but stopped working out their fear
00:15:34 or working out their salvation with fear
00:15:36 and trembling yeah I and along with that
00:15:39 I like to say it doesn’t matter how you
00:15:41 start it only matters how you
00:15:44 end
00:15:46 right oh wait that reminds me of that
00:15:49 old adage hell is paved with good
00:15:54 intentions road to hell is paved with
00:15:57 good intentions yes it is yes
00:15:59 so I think we’ve hashed 29 broad way I
00:16:03 think we’ve hashed 29 to a fair of the
00:16:05 well oh on to 30 okay uh yeah I I’ll
00:16:08 read 30 and Emmon said unto him the
00:16:12 heavens is a place where Elohim dwells
00:16:15 and All His Holy
00:16:17 Angels um yeah I I I don’t know what to
00:16:21 say unless anybody want’s much can’t say
00:16:24 that’s pretty literal
00:16:27 yeah okay so so Ben you want to do 30 oh
00:16:30 no I just did that one 31 sorry and King
00:16:33 lonai saith is it above the
00:16:37 Earth so where’s heaven right is what
00:16:40 he’s going off of you know even that
00:16:43 idea that heaven’s above Earth is the
00:16:46 idea even in
00:16:48 most uh thought today too um yeah but
00:16:52 the thing that but the but but this is
00:16:55 actually um this is actually a pretty
00:16:57 interesting question when you think
00:16:59 about it and ammon’s answer is equally
00:17:02 interesting so if we could have that get
00:17:04 read okay so that uh Josh you want to do
00:17:07 that real quick sure and Ammon saith yay
00:17:12 and he lookth down upon all the children
00:17:15 of men and he knows all the thoughts and
00:17:18 intents of the heart for by his hand
00:17:21 were they all created from the beginning
00:17:24 okay so it this idea of being above the
00:17:28 Earth
00:17:30 is another one of those things where
00:17:32 it’s both
00:17:35 where where it’s
00:17:38 um it’s an idiom because the world’s Aid
00:17:42 an idiomatic expression yeah and I think
00:17:46 goes along with and maybe been saying
00:17:49 this that he’s looking down upon us
00:17:52 that’s why yeah and when he’s and by
00:17:55 looking down upon us it’s not simp it’s
00:17:59 um you know that actually adds to this
00:18:02 idea of the
00:18:03 condescension of God yeah and also in
00:18:07 the scriptures isn’t the Earth referred
00:18:09 to as his foot stool so yeah yeah
00:18:13 someone constantly is would be looking
00:18:16 down towards their feet or the place
00:18:19 where their feet rest which is the foot
00:18:22 stool uhhuh
00:18:26 yes so this is a another one of those
00:18:29 things where it is both idiomatic and uh
00:18:33 potentially literal though we have no
00:18:35 idea where specifically the heavens
00:18:38 are right uh the one thing I would say
00:18:41 that we’re supposed to make earth like a
00:18:43 heaven as in described in ether 12 yeah
00:18:47 and so I would say that the idiomatic
00:18:49 expression of this idea is far more
00:18:52 useful to
00:18:55 us and we are to raise our that we that
00:18:59 uh we through the righteousness of
00:19:01 Yeshua hamashiach are to raise
00:19:03 ourselves uh are to are to be raised to
00:19:07 a uh to a higher plane of exist to a
00:19:11 higher plane of existence where we make
00:19:13 choices from better places correct right
00:19:16 I think that goes along with how yua in
00:19:18 the New Testament stated that heaven’s
00:19:20 within as
00:19:22 in uh it’s us it’s within our
00:19:27 capability to do make Kevin by our
00:19:29 choices as Ben was bringing out there
00:19:32 right right right right
00:19:34 right um because we make the choices
00:19:37 from within from our heart the question
00:19:39 is do we have his ways written upon our
00:19:42 heart AKA
00:19:43 Torah or our own
00:19:46 or or AK AKA Torah AKA heaven is heaven
00:19:53 written upon your heart right right
00:19:55 because Torah is the way of Heaven
00:20:00 correct as in brought out in DNC 88
00:20:06 right favorite section Ro here guys I’m
00:20:10 just
00:20:11 saying what’ you say Matt really
00:20:14 challenging my Pharisee Roots here guys
00:20:17 I well I’m I’m glad Matt hopefully
00:20:20 you’ll learn some truth
00:20:23 then hopefully Thou shalt embrace it oh
00:20:28 I’m
00:20:29 I I know I know heckling heckling is
00:20:32 great yeah
00:20:35 anyways whose turn is it sorry I forgot
00:20:38 who just read just I just read 32 okay
00:20:43 oh yeah and then for by this
00:20:47 hand were they all created from the
00:20:50 beginning so this goes along how uh
00:20:54 Yeshua had his hand in creating
00:20:56 everything right that we see right now
00:20:59 this physical creation that we have and
00:21:02 given the fact that um our intelligences
00:21:07 cannot be created and cannot be created
00:21:11 this creation that he’s talking about is
00:21:14 choosing right he gave us uh opportunity
00:21:19 to
00:21:19 choose uh such that we we come more like
00:21:23 him
00:21:25 right
00:21:27 correct um so Zach you want to read
00:21:34 33 say sayth I believe all these things
00:21:39 which thou has
00:21:41 spoken art thou sent from
00:21:45 elim so here I I think this is important
00:21:48 uh King L Loni was
00:21:52 stened in false
00:21:55 Traditions
00:21:56 yes but because of the example of Ammon
00:22:01 which is earlier in 18 and chapter
00:22:05 17 he saw that Ammon had
00:22:11 something not
00:22:14 that the way that
00:22:18 he presented himself the way he behaved
00:22:22 and how he wanted to serve and how God
00:22:25 Elohim was with him
00:22:29 he recognized that there was something
00:22:32 to this guy and so I I do want to
00:22:35 Sidetrack us just a little
00:22:38 bit uh one of my favorite lectures on
00:22:42 faith
00:22:43 verses
00:22:50 um it’s in lecture
00:22:54 two and it’s the last verse
00:22:58 Yeah question the normal verses go ahead
00:23:02 what were we gonna yeah so this is
00:23:05 actually lecture two is actually about
00:23:08 how faith is obtained and how we um how
00:23:12 we learn that which we have faith in
00:23:16 right and
00:23:19 it’s you know so part of it is actually
00:23:22 knowing correct Doctrine okay right
00:23:25 right but it’s more that you’re living
00:23:29 it yeah that’s the bigger part um you
00:23:33 haven’t really learned correct Doctrine
00:23:35 unless it actually is affecting your
00:23:37 life and you’re and it’s changing the
00:23:40 way that you make your choices you
00:23:42 learned it you might know it yeah you
00:23:46 might Greek know it and think it’s a
00:23:48 cool idea but until it’s written on your
00:23:51 heart but you don’t know it correct you
00:23:55 won’t know it and really understand it
00:23:58 until you start doing it and being it
00:24:02 right so I’ll read this because this is
00:24:05 like one of my favorite verses in the
00:24:06 lectures on faith we have now clearly
00:24:11 set forth how it is that and how it was
00:24:15 that Elohim became an object of faith
00:24:17 for rational beings now before this he
00:24:21 was
00:24:22 um I I he was going over boring
00:24:27 genealogies okay okay and he was doing
00:24:30 that with the purpose to show how tons
00:24:34 of people knew the righteous Patriarchs
00:24:37 including Adam and Noah for key ones
00:24:41 okay there were others than that but and
00:24:43 they knew them personally through
00:24:45 personal interaction correct correct
00:24:49 okay um which that’s a very good point
00:24:51 to bring out with which what we’ve been
00:24:53 saying and what’s going on here and also
00:24:57 upon what Foundation the testimony was
00:25:01 based which excited the inquiry and
00:25:06 diligent shirts of the ancient Saints so
00:25:10 this is going off of how because of how
00:25:14 those who proclaimed truth and they kept
00:25:17 it and how they interacted with people
00:25:22 caused others to go look into it it was
00:25:25 not just because they said it it was
00:25:28 because they lived it
00:25:32 also right okay uh to seek after an aame
00:25:36 a knowledge of the glory of Elohim as in
00:25:40 his ways of being okay because you get
00:25:43 Glory by becoming like him as an
00:25:47 acting
00:25:49 behaving spiriting I know I just made up
00:25:52 a word yeah like he would in the case
00:25:55 but I made up that word on purpose and
00:25:57 and in some instances and in some
00:26:01 instances those who have walked after
00:26:03 his ways have obtained a visual
00:26:06 knowledge of his
00:26:09 glory
00:26:11 yes it’s not a
00:26:14 guarantee you know yeah and people can
00:26:17 then you know go against it after like
00:26:20 Judas and many others they can they
00:26:23 absolutely can yeah and I will say
00:26:26 another controversial one uh Bram
00:26:30 young
00:26:33 yeah um but anyways so um
00:26:38 we okay right there and we have seen
00:26:41 that it was human
00:26:44 testimony after you’re done go to bed so
00:26:47 there are words and
00:26:49 actions and human testimony
00:26:52 only wow that in excited this inquir
00:26:57 inquiry or this starting others down
00:27:01 this process okay so this is this is
00:27:04 really important with this human
00:27:05 testimony being both word and deed
00:27:08 because there are places in the
00:27:10 scripture like in Isaiah when it says to
00:27:13 the law and to the testimony the law is
00:27:17 speaking of all of Torah and the
00:27:20 testimony is speaking to the Ten
00:27:21 Commandments
00:27:23 specifically which are a testimony of
00:27:26 Yeshua right to go along with what Ben
00:27:28 is stting I will just say something real
00:27:30 quick it was the Arc of
00:27:32 testimony in some instances okay all
00:27:36 right right
00:27:39 okay did you want to add more or was
00:27:41 that what you wanted to say Ben sorry
00:27:44 that would that that’s uh yeah it’s just
00:27:47 to the law and to the testimony to Torah
00:27:50 and the Commandments if they teach not
00:27:52 according to this there it is because
00:27:54 they have no light in them yeah uh oh
00:27:58 Isaiah one or five I forget right now or
00:28:02 eight sorry yes and that’s that’s
00:28:05 basically but that’s basically it if
00:28:07 they do not this is why this is and this
00:28:10 actually correlates very strongly with
00:28:13 this human testimony and human testimony
00:28:15 only correct I I completely agree in
00:28:19 fact I think it’s Isaiah 81 but anyways
00:28:23 um uh it’s actually later in it’s
00:28:26 actually later in the chapter but okay
00:28:28 so it is Isaiah so I won’t qu on it I
00:28:30 won’t yeah yeah yeah that’s uh it’s hard
00:28:33 to remember where everything is that’s
00:28:35 why I have one
00:28:38 note
00:28:40 anyways um they in the first instance in
00:28:43 their mind so that’s what started it
00:28:45 right right it was the
00:28:49 Credence now let let’s I I know I’m
00:28:53 sidetracking more but that’s an
00:28:55 important part read yeah
00:28:59 yes and for this particularly the 1828
00:29:02 Webster dictionary is really important
00:29:05 because this was written in a time when
00:29:09 this dictionary was the one in use
00:29:13 yeah so Ben you want to read the
00:29:15 dictionary all righty it’s a Credence
00:29:19 belief credit Reliance of the mind on
00:29:22 evidence of facts derived from other
00:29:24 sources than personal knowledge as from
00:29:28 the testimony of others we give Credence
00:29:30 to a historian of unsuspected Integrity
00:29:33 or to a story which is related by a man
00:29:36 of no veracity so the evidence would be
00:29:39 their actions in this case
00:29:43 right and and the mind would be well in
00:29:46 this case how I I would say how it’s
00:29:48 written upon their
00:29:50 hearts um such that they then did the
00:29:54 actions that gave the evidence right
00:29:57 right right
00:29:59 that which gives a claim to credit
00:30:00 believe or confidence as a letter of
00:30:03 credence which is intended to commend
00:30:05 the beer to the confidence of a third
00:30:07 person as in like a letter of
00:30:10 recommendation right right yeah so and
00:30:14 the thing is is that these testimonies
00:30:16 in word and deed by the
00:30:19 fathers by the
00:30:21 Patriarchs um were a letter of
00:30:25 credence between them
00:30:29 for for hia to their
00:30:33 children right
00:30:36 yes yeah and um for those who uh follow
00:30:42 yahweh’s ways we are considered
00:30:45 Abraham’s children whether literal or
00:30:48 adopted righted right the facts of the
00:30:51 matter are uh Uriah was a
00:30:53 Hite um Ruth was a moabitas
00:31:00 and yet they were adopted into Israel
00:31:04 upon their upon their keeping upon their
00:31:08 living by the law yeah
00:31:14 yeah yeah okay so they gave to the
00:31:19 testimony of their fathers this
00:31:21 testimony having
00:31:24 aroused their minds to inquire after the
00:31:27 knowledge of el it it gave them reason
00:31:30 to start looking
00:31:34 into or so let me say this A Better Way
00:31:36 their actions gave them reason to look
00:31:40 into what they were saying right right
00:31:46 right
00:31:48 right uh the inquiry frequently
00:31:52 terminated indeed always terminated when
00:31:56 rightly or correct ly pursued in the
00:32:00 most glorious discoveries and eternal
00:32:09 certainty Eternal
00:32:13 certainty those are strong words right
00:32:15 there those are very strong words uh
00:32:18 calling election made sure or a more
00:32:21 sure word of Prophecy or another
00:32:26 comforter yeah another comforter the
00:32:28 second comforter getting the words from
00:32:30 Yahweh
00:32:32 Elohim
00:32:35 that you’ve done well P that you’ve done
00:32:39 well you’ve done well you will
00:32:43 receive Celestial Glory there’s lots of
00:32:46 ways of talking about this or the
00:32:49 baptism of the holy spirit that there’s
00:32:52 lots of various terminology that goes
00:32:55 along with this that points to the same
00:32:57 thing
00:32:59 it’s not I will say this it’s
00:33:03 not necessarily seeing him face to face
00:33:06 as a lot of people like to pursue right
00:33:11 in fact just to stay
00:33:15 in later Elma
00:33:18 20s when Elma The Elder had to deal with
00:33:21 some difficulties in the
00:33:23 church Yahweh Elohim gave him Elma the
00:33:28 this assurance and it wasn’t while he
00:33:31 were face to face he only heard the
00:33:34 words right now the interesting thing to
00:33:38 note is that in order to be a special
00:33:41 witness of Christ according as what I’ve
00:33:45 seen in the
00:33:46 scriptures one has to have had that
00:33:50 witness that face to face
00:33:53 witness either by
00:33:56 Vision like Paul
00:33:58 or In the Flesh like Peter um and uh all
00:34:03 the others sure or like in uh third
00:34:06 Nephi 12 right right third Nephi 12 you
00:34:10 have to have had that in order to be an
00:34:13 actual Apostle uh if you claim to be an
00:34:16 apostle and you haven’t had this then
00:34:18 you’re a liar and you and what uh and
00:34:22 what uh Paul refers to is those who have
00:34:24 claimed to be apostles who are not uh
00:34:27 correct I completely agree actually John
00:34:29 actually that’s John in Revelation sorry
00:34:31 well anyways um a special witness versus
00:34:36 getting your second comforter event are
00:34:39 two different things right so right
00:34:42 right just want to clarify that um but
00:34:44 anyways okay I do think that’s enough on
00:34:47 that so I think we should go back to
00:34:49 Elma 18 unless there’s more to say let’s
00:34:52 go back to Al 18 okay
00:35:02 uh I think we just finished 32 right
00:35:06 yeah and I think it’s Zach’s turn okay
00:35:10 no no we finished 33 oh did we okay yeah
00:35:13 yeah so then I think it’s uh there’s one
00:35:16 thing one more on 33 that I really want
00:35:20 okay go
00:35:22 ahead this is actually reminiscent of
00:35:24 the words that the brother of Jared says
00:35:26 before he sees before he sees more than
00:35:30 just the finger of
00:35:32 Yeshua correct yeah he says I believe
00:35:36 that thou art a god of Truth who cannot
00:35:37 lie and here he and here he’s saying I
00:35:40 believe all that thou Hast said art thou
00:35:43 sent from God and that’s um which is a
00:35:47 different thing but it’s similar in its
00:35:49 intent in
00:35:51 that you are you’re basically in the
00:35:55 Hebrew mindset when you state that you
00:35:56 believe something that means you’re
00:35:58 going to do it
00:36:02 correct
00:36:04 right but yeah but that’s a good thing
00:36:07 here because it’s the here and the
00:36:10 now and this also would go along with
00:36:13 the type that we haven’t done too much
00:36:17 yet but we did more in the past how
00:36:19 Ammon is a type for Yeshua and how here
00:36:22 is Immortal saying he will believe
00:36:26 everything from him right right so and
00:36:30 that is
00:36:32 ether uh three or four it’s probably
00:36:35 that part’s probably three either
00:36:38 chapter three yeah um earlier than
00:36:43 14 wow I’ll just
00:36:47 search yeah there there it is the main
00:36:50 one
00:36:52 and that was pretty good so this so the
00:36:56 Lord so asks him believest thou The
00:36:59 Words which I shall speak and the
00:37:03 brother of Jared
00:37:05 answered y Adon I know that thou
00:37:09 speakest the word the truth for thou art
00:37:12 an Elohim of Truth and can’t not lie is
00:37:16 it full and when he and when he the
00:37:20 brother of Jared had said these words
00:37:22 Behold yah showed himself unto him so
00:37:25 just like when Loni says the words I
00:37:28 believe all that thou Hast said now
00:37:30 Ammon can lay things out for
00:37:34 Loni right
00:37:35 right uh which further down it it Yahweh
00:37:40 brings out that’s a key figure or not
00:37:44 figure key
00:37:45 peace in the brother Jared
00:37:50 having uh or seeing God face to face
00:37:55 right is believing that will not lie
00:37:58 that’s a key portion there which a lot
00:38:02 of people think the scriptures which
00:38:05 contain yahweh’s word are lies and
00:38:08 they’re going out claiming they’ve seen
00:38:10 God they are liars corre correct correct
00:38:14 well here’s the yeah and
00:38:17 here’s that that’s the Crux of it right
00:38:21 there that is the whole thing of it
00:38:23 right there if you’re
00:38:25 prepared to be
00:38:28 believe everything that he will speak to
00:38:31 you then he will speak to you and he
00:38:34 will he’ll break it down for you just
00:38:36 like Ammon was able to break things down
00:38:38 for King Loni and when you look at
00:38:40 Hebrews chapter 2 and chapter 3 it
00:38:43 actually shows that unbelief is
00:38:46 equivalent to Disobedience so belief
00:38:50 similarly is equivalent to
00:38:54 obedience yes I I completely agree
00:38:58 um and and and so depending on context I
00:39:03 would say I would say I would say belief
00:39:06 belief unto
00:39:08 action because there’s the Greek style
00:39:11 of belief as well where oh yeah it’s up
00:39:13 here and it’s a good idea and and
00:39:16 rainbows and butterflies and all that
00:39:18 good stuff and then there is belief onto
00:39:23 action which is the Hebrew way of which
00:39:27 which is which is actually uh which is
00:39:30 actually God’s Definition of belief
00:39:32 correct but with Paul we need to keep in
00:39:35 mind sometimes he’s talking to Greeks
00:39:38 and sometimes he’s talking to Hebrews
00:39:40 yeah and and the epistle to the Hebrews
00:39:44 um kind of lets you know well yeah the
00:39:48 name is kind of obvious but I do
00:39:51 think uh that is a good thing to keep in
00:39:53 mind while reading the the English
00:39:57 translated
00:39:58 scriptures uh of who he’s talking to so
00:40:01 I do think it’s a valid point to bring
00:40:03 out to help
00:40:04 people understand the controversies that
00:40:09 can go along with that word okay right
00:40:11 right right right which is why the
00:40:13 writer of the Epistle of Hebrews does
00:40:16 uses belief in Hebrews where um I think
00:40:25 where it uses belief in Hebrews where
00:40:31 um and why James actually refers to
00:40:35 Faith the idea of Faith with works and
00:40:38 faith without works which is equivalent
00:40:41 to the same idea as Greek belief versus
00:40:45 Hebrew belief correct yes um but I do
00:40:51 think an important I just thought it was
00:40:53 an important point to make yeah because
00:40:56 there are two very different camps when
00:41:01 it comes to belief right there’s the
00:41:04 Greek yes and I think that’s a that’s a
00:41:08 great
00:41:09 idea an enlightening
00:41:11 idea and then I’m on about my way and
00:41:14 doing whatever the heck I want and then
00:41:16 there’s belief the Hebrew style which is
00:41:20 oh I better do
00:41:23 this go why but why is belief in the
00:41:27 Hebrew mindset connected to action
00:41:29 because it’s connected to God who keeps
00:41:33 his
00:41:34 promises right and I I think just it’s
00:41:37 important to point out Greek thought and
00:41:39 Hebrew thought are completely different
00:41:43 Hebrew thought focuses on uh
00:41:48 action and Greek thought focuses on
00:41:52 ideas and the action behind belief is
00:41:56 actually
00:41:58 doing right hence faith without works is
00:42:03 dead right because it it will do you no
00:42:06 good in fact along those lines if you
00:42:10 believe something and you don’t act on
00:42:13 it it will actually make you more dead
00:42:16 than if you had known it before correct
00:42:20 correct can we pause for a minute guys
00:42:23 yeah yes I’ll pause
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