Scripture Study 2025-02-28 Come To the Table

Summary:

Bringing out the darkness of the name Sidewalk Prophets. The band Sidewalk Prophets is connected to the show The Chosen. The Chosen presents a lawless Jesus. Pete Townshend, a Satanist, has written at least one some for the band Sidewalk Prophets. Blending of Christianity with New Age, Greek Philosophy, and Paganism is happening. We are to worship in Truth and behavior / spirit. Exposing the song Come To The Table. We need to be careful not to read our theology into the scriptures. Paul praised the city that tested his teachings. Satan is worried about perception, YHWH is worried about who we are becoming. Be careful of ambiguous statements. Faith is trust and diligence. The way Orthodox Jews tie their Tzitzits is like showing the blue, which represents Torah, on the outside, instead of having it integrated with braiding as word studies shows it should be done. Torah and the gospel is about becoming like Yeshua. Torah is about how Yeshua wants us to love him, others and ourselves. Repentance requires you to only confess to YHWH and the person you harmed and do you best to make restitution. No requirement to confess to a leader for anything. You are to go to a judge if you can’t come to an agreement on restitution on their own. We can always choose righteousness over wickedness. Fasting is about not listening to our bodily appetites which is symbolic of putting of the natural man. If you take someone’s eye you need to provide them an eye. It’s about restitution not revenge. Charity in Hebrew means to be righteous or in other words to keep Torah. Moroni 7 is listing righteousness for the definition of charity. Galatians 5 is listing righteousness for the fruits of the behavior / spirit / Torah. The artists, and the LDS church, use HeartSell to use emotions to manipulate you. Everyone is able to repent. Descend to ascend is of the Occult. If you had no hope, why would you reach out to Yeshua. Yeshua was chosen before the foundation of the world. We open the door to let Yeshua in, not the other way around. Talking about the Calvinist concept of TULIP, which some Protestants adapt, and bringing out issues with it. We all expect others to do what is right, we just don’t expect that we have to do it. YHWH is not a respecter of persons. Everyone who has and will be born will be resurrected. Once saved always saved is a false doctrine. Not believing in Yeshua anymore will cause you to lose your salvation, it’s not about how many sins, it’s about staying under His covering. No one can take it away from you, it’s only you that can take that away. Many ideas contrary to the Bible have sprung up, and YHWH has given more of His word to help us come to the correct understanding. The Book of Mormon is the greatest anti-Brighamite book there is. The repentant are those who strive not to sin anymore, sinners are okay with their sins. Psalms 5, and other passages, brings out that YHWH hates sinners. Paul and Alma the younger have similarities, but there are also lots of differences. Guilt is to motivate you to repent, not get you to feel bad forever. We are forgiven when we confess sincerely to YHWH. It’s about the sincere desire to do what is right, which later is enacted out. Those who are born again are not going to define themselves by their past because they are a new creator. Everyone likes to say what would Jesus do, but no one likes to do it, because Jesus would not sin. The ends does not justify the means. Sin is defined as breaking the law / Torah. Sermon on Torah brings out if you are lawless you will be told to depart from Yeshua. Those who receive the Telestial glory will be in the kingdom, but will not be able to see Yeshua. Yeshua in the parable of the Sower in Mark brings out if you don’t understand these four groups you don’t understand anything. When we come under the coving of Yeshua, we are indebted to Him. While we are figuring things out, Yeshua works with us. The laws of the bond servants points to the atonement. Torah / Holy Spirit testifies of the Son. The High Holidays do teach the gospel, and the process we all need to go through. If you throw out the Old Testament you will not understand the New Testament. A misfit is a law breaker and going against society norms. Society norms are largely, not completely, based upon YHWH’s Torah because YHWH puts His Spirit / Torah upon all adults. The conscious is from YHWH and is His Torah. Matthew 24 Yeshua brings out that people’s hearts will go cold because they reject Torah. Misfit is a twisting of peculiar people. YHWH’s people are peculiar because they keep Torah instead of being like the world. Revelation brings out liars are not welcomed in the kingdom of heaven. You can only lie if you know you are not telling the truth. Declaring you want to follow Yeshua is a public matter. Being perfect is keeping Torah. When you are saved, you will not have YHWH’s ways completely figured out. Salvation is not dependent upon correct beliefs. Explaining why I believe the JST removes least from Matthew 5, greatest is still there showing there are degrees. Those who reject Torah, their prayers are an abomination. No past sin will keep you from the kingdom of Heaven, but an unrepentant heart will. Shame is that you are bad person, guilt is that you did something wrong. Yeshua want to give you joy and rest. There is no scripture that states there will be no more scripture. The desire to repent is not a work, you haven’t done anything. A while after you are justified, you will need to start working on fixing you sinful habits. It is your desire for Yeshua that will draw you near. If you continue to sin, you could start thinking there is no law, and then you will think you need no Savior and now you are a son of Perdition. Yeshua said if you love me keep my commandments. If you doubt you would not come to Yeshua in the first place. Hope is because you trust, charity is keeping Torah, which are the two parts of faith. Perhaps in some cases when doubt is used maybe confused is a better word. Being deception is a sin. YHWH wants people who do what is right despite what others say, otherwise you are not fit for the kingdom. This song shows cowardness in multiple angles. Prisoner would be better bond, because they need to restore the debt they incurred. Eye for Eye, or desire for desire, is about restitution of what you took not revenge. YHWH states vengeance is Mine. This list of people is trying to be all inclusive. In the Beatitudes it’s not about the physical poor, it’s about the spiritually poor. Yeshua is not talking about income redistribution. Wickedness does not know social class boundaries. Mistakes are not sins. You can repent until you die. If you don’t accept Yeshua, you are not going to the kingdom of Heaven. The authors are claiming if you hear this song you are saved, which is claiming they have the power to save you. They are teaching blasphemy. This song tickles people’s ears as Satan likes. The idea that people can take away your salvation because they can cast a spell on you is denying Yeshua’s power. YHWH tells us to expose wickedness, and we need to know the wicked words to expose the wicked words. Truth Unedited is lying about not listening to movies and songs that he claims to be exposing. We need to be humble and continue to seek to understand YHWH’s word. If we are in error, show us plainly from the scriptures. The war moved from Heaven to earth. We are to fight worldly leaders who are being inspired by daemons. The worst words from Yeshua are depart from Me. Don’t zone out and just take in what is being said, think about what is being said.

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00:00:02 okay okay hello everyone we are super
00:00:07 excited for this uh for this uh
00:00:10 recording tonight
00:00:13 um we are going to be doing an ex an
00:00:16 expose uh if you will or an expose on a
00:00:20 current popular Christian uh song uh
00:00:25 written by a group called The Sidewalk
00:00:27 Prophets called come to the table
00:00:30 um and I just want to say as in to make
00:00:33 sure people know it’s popular it’s six
00:00:35 and a half million
00:00:36 views right just for this music video
00:00:40 alone correct right so very popular
00:00:44 group very mainstream very uh and the
00:00:47 music to the song is actually quite
00:00:50 catchy um and you know I can see why a
00:00:54 lot of people would like the song um
00:00:57 just from just from an ear candy uh
00:01:01 perspective itching ears there as
00:01:04 itching ears yeah you got it yeah that
00:01:07 and the doctrine tickles ears the
00:01:09 doctrine and the doctrine that they’re
00:01:11 preaching tickles a lot of ears but it
00:01:15 is absolutely non-biblical
00:01:18 and um
00:01:20 false uh a lot of the ideas that they’re
00:01:23 teaching in this
00:01:24 song now a little history uh uh about
00:01:29 side walk prophets um they are
00:01:34 connected uh with the show The
00:01:38 Chosen me show that
00:01:43 uh one of these don’t one of these that
00:01:47 one it was the one it’s that one yeah
00:01:50 yeah yeah there we go so here’s just you
00:01:53 know uh Christian group connected to the
00:01:56 show
00:01:57 chosen their live shows they’re live
00:02:00 concerts
00:02:02 yeah different regions so at least the
00:02:05 concerts if not helping with if they’re
00:02:07 in the concerts now I do understand that
00:02:11 statement here and this right here is
00:02:12 not explicitly stating that but I would
00:02:15 say they’re they’re helping with the
00:02:17 songs behind the scenes also to do the
00:02:20 conc but I I could be saying something
00:02:23 that’s not I I I will say I will say
00:02:27 this that um I I don’t believe that
00:02:30 strictly speaking true there is a
00:02:32 specific person from uh the The Chosen
00:02:36 show that is actually in charge of the
00:02:39 music but he does use a lot of Christian
00:02:44 artists
00:02:46 songs uh in connection with the chosen
00:02:51 uh the show itself and
00:02:55 yeah their live shows are affiliated
00:02:57 with the chosen they have a music video
00:03:01 of this particular song that we’re going
00:03:03 to go over uh that has montages from the
00:03:07 show so there is some connection
00:03:11 um
00:03:14 now so you might say what’s the big deal
00:03:17 with
00:03:19 that that in a little bit
00:03:22 Yeah the The
00:03:25 Chosen
00:03:27 presents a lawless Jesus yes they do yes
00:03:31 they do and and this group very much
00:03:33 also uh supports that and we’ll get and
00:03:37 you’ll see this as we go over the lyrics
00:03:39 for the song uh
00:03:42 tonight
00:03:44 now which just so we’re where we’re
00:03:46 going we’re gonna uh go over the lyrics
00:03:49 of come to the table so yes come to the
00:03:52 table um now we got a little curious um
00:03:56 earlier and we were looking up uh you
00:03:58 know what is meant by the name Sidewalk
00:04:03 Prophets so oh go ahead and so we uh we
00:04:09 being curious we kind of looked it up
00:04:13 um and uh obviously you know we looked
00:04:17 up sidewalk first and and the definition
00:04:19 of sidewalk or one of the definitions
00:04:21 for
00:04:22 sidewalk um on Google in one look was a
00:04:24 paved foot path located at the side of a
00:04:28 road
00:04:30 which uh I know this might be a little
00:04:33 stretching but I do think it’s valid
00:04:36 they’re off to the side of the road that
00:04:39 we the straight and narrow road or
00:04:42 path the side of it hence I think even
00:04:46 part of the word side walk it’s not
00:04:50 actually on the path you’re you’re
00:04:53 walking beside something right right
00:04:57 right I I do think there being cleverly
00:05:01 honest about their name right and now
00:05:05 the other interesting thing is um so we
00:05:09 we looked up the the whole name Sidewalk
00:05:13 Prophets and um found some
00:05:16 interesting things about it and and one
00:05:19 of the things here and I’ll just read
00:05:21 through this real quick where did the
00:05:23 name of the band come from well Dave Fry
00:05:26 who happens to be the lead singer for
00:05:28 this band
00:05:31 um it oh no D oh I’m thinking about the
00:05:35 other part sorry my bad right yeah so
00:05:37 Dave Dave Fry came up with a sidewalk
00:05:40 part right which stems from a lyric from
00:05:42 a jars of Play song Art In Me and the
00:05:45 line reads something like this images on
00:05:47 the sidewalk speak of Dreams
00:05:50 descent which already that’s a red flag
00:05:54 right there but let’s explain why it’s a
00:05:56 red flag yeah yeah absolutely now I do
00:06:00 think will be the best one to teach on
00:06:03 that because he’s the one that taught me
00:06:04 the principle that I would bring out if
00:06:06 I would so here here it is it’s uh
00:06:10 images on the sidewalk speak of Dreams
00:06:13 descent um this whole idea of ascending
00:06:16 of descending to ascend um the the uh
00:06:22 the preponderance of Faith that’s put in
00:06:25 dreams uh which is a which is typical of
00:06:29 uh which is typical of Greek philosophy
00:06:31 Greek thought
00:06:33 um it’s a very Gnostic kind of
00:06:37 thing I’ll just I’ll say it’s satanic
00:06:41 yeah the dreams is the
00:06:44 Ascension but to get there they have
00:06:47 have to descend you have to descend it
00:06:50 is a straight it it is a straight
00:06:51 satanic uh it is a straight satanic
00:06:54 thing um and this is the this is the
00:06:58 problem with uh
00:07:01 this is these kinds of ideas will uh
00:07:04 will in will be will infiltrate when you
00:07:07 are associated with when when people
00:07:11 like Pete Townson write your songs and
00:07:13 your lyrics for you um so let’s uh so to
00:07:18 it to
00:07:19 verify um you can go do your whatever
00:07:22 search you want I prefer being but
00:07:25 whatever and uh you’ll see how Pete
00:07:28 Townshed who
00:07:30 is literally and obviously a Satanist
00:07:34 wrote at least one song for these guys
00:07:38 right right and this and this is
00:07:40 actually not uncommon in the Christian
00:07:42 music industry is you have these you
00:07:45 have these pop icons who are satanists
00:07:50 writing their their songs and lyrics for
00:07:52 them right right now for some people
00:07:56 this may not present a problem to them
00:07:58 but for the person who’s
00:08:00 actually interested in
00:08:02 an in your worship being
00:08:06 undiluted this is a huge problem it
00:08:09 should present a problem yes as the key
00:08:13 word there was undiluted there right
00:08:16 undiluted now the the and so the lead
00:08:20 singer came up with the sidewalk part of
00:08:23 the name and the prophet part of the
00:08:26 name or prophets part of the name came
00:08:29 from their guitarist Ben McDonald who
00:08:32 apparently has his has his own
00:08:34 dictionary of what words mean and his
00:08:37 definition of a this is from an
00:08:39 interview right here Ben’s word of the
00:08:42 day
00:08:43 dictionary right uh and the definition
00:08:46 of a prophet according to their
00:08:48 guitarist
00:08:49 is uh someone who speaks the truth about
00:08:52 life which anyone who’s ever read the
00:08:56 scriptures knows is absolutely not true
00:08:59 Okay so by the way but but by the way
00:09:01 this is actually a prominent definition
00:09:06 of prophit in among New Age
00:09:10 circles yes so if
00:09:17 you what this is attesting to is a
00:09:19 mixing is the blending of new age new
00:09:23 thought with Christian with uh
00:09:27 Christianity this in practice called
00:09:32 syncretism and U syncretism is where you
00:09:35 take
00:09:37 um okay it the basic thought pattern
00:09:41 that made it okay was okay you’ve got
00:09:43 your Gods I’ve got my gods they’re not
00:09:45 really Superior to each other so we’ll
00:09:47 just kind of blend them
00:09:49 together
00:09:51 yes because syncretism was first
00:09:54 practiced by the ancient Greeks before
00:09:56 they
00:09:57 uh by by the Greeks before the Greeks
00:10:01 new
00:10:03 Christianity and Christianity actually
00:10:06 is the result a lot of the doctrines of
00:10:09 Christianity I should say um come
00:10:14 from syncretism as well or to be more
00:10:19 specific Greek
00:10:21 philosophy and mixing of pagan ideas to
00:10:24 make it put it in layman’s terms here
00:10:27 okay yeah um and not from yeshua’s mouth
00:10:33 that’s recorded in the New Testament or
00:10:36 from his mouth in the Old Testament
00:10:39 correct so it I I would think that some
00:10:44 of the things that we pointed out here
00:10:46 should point it should give red flags
00:10:49 for people who
00:10:52 um who want to who want who really want
00:10:55 to honor and um
00:10:59 to honor and Su to honor and sustain uh
00:11:03 a worshipful relationship that’s
00:11:05 undiluted
00:11:07 with Y Our Father yes now I do want to
00:11:11 add about the undiluted Yeshua in the
00:11:14 New Testament stated that we should
00:11:16 Worship in
00:11:19 truth and behavior I I mean Spirit but
00:11:23 no
00:11:24 yes um yeah um I actually it’s I do it
00:11:29 that way to bring out how the word
00:11:31 Spirit does mean
00:11:35 behavior and truth so this
00:11:38 delusion or mixture of Truth and error
00:11:42 which is what Satan
00:11:43 does get rid of
00:11:48 yep correctly and he often uses um so
00:11:54 the the the the tune the actual music to
00:11:57 this song is catching
00:12:00 and it’s it’s got a hook to
00:12:02 it right so he often uses things that
00:12:08 could be positive and mixes them with
00:12:11 things that are not positive and that
00:12:14 teach you well that are deeply
00:12:18 negative yeah yeah yeah yeah yep
00:12:23 um right with the end with the end
00:12:26 result being um but the end result being
00:12:30 that people who live the people
00:12:35 who people who engage with what he
00:12:38 presents to them are left
00:12:42 worshiping not what they think they’re
00:12:45 worshiping right right corre they’re um
00:12:49 it’s a part of the delusion yes yeah
00:12:51 yeah these are going to be a lot of
00:12:53 followers who want to believe and follow
00:12:58 Yeshua are
00:13:00 Jesus but they haven’t actually studied
00:13:03 his words to know what he says and means
00:13:07 in his
00:13:08 intentions and his laws or his workings
00:13:12 or so on and so forth right so and and
00:13:15 here’s the
00:13:20 thing if you’ve studied the scriptures
00:13:23 for no other purpose than to justify the
00:13:26 than to justify the religion that you’re
00:13:27 already a part of
00:13:29 that could still be
00:13:31 you yes because this is where you’ll
00:13:33 read in your theology into the words
00:13:37 when it actually is really not saying
00:13:39 that and it’s called proof
00:13:42 texting um Christians do it but Jews do
00:13:46 it even more or they’re better at it
00:13:48 it’s all they’ve been doing it among
00:13:51 scholarly circles it’s called Isa
00:13:54 Jesus uh yes that is the technical term
00:13:57 for it that they like to use technical
00:13:59 terms so people don’t know what they’re
00:14:01 so they don’t know what they’re talking
00:14:03 about what that basically means is
00:14:05 you’re but that basically means is
00:14:07 you’re reading the scriptures from the
00:14:09 point of view of your theology you’re
00:14:12 importing your theology into the
00:14:15 scriptures instead of trying to actually
00:14:18 instead of EXA Jesus where you take the
00:14:20 scriptures and you try to actually
00:14:22 understand what they’re actually saying
00:14:25 right correct right so I think we’ve I
00:14:28 think we’ve done a a fair job of
00:14:31 establishing that just the name of this
00:14:34 band alone uh raises all kinds of red
00:14:36 flags not to mention which their
00:14:38 connection with the chosen uh raises a
00:14:41 whole bunch more red flags and who
00:14:44 writes their songs and and also who
00:14:46 writes their songs or some of their
00:14:48 songs for them
00:14:50 because who writes some of their songs
00:14:52 for them because the band does write
00:14:53 some of their own uh
00:14:56 songs admittedly but that’s fine but
00:14:59 considering who they associate with and
00:15:02 getting them song If that doesn’t raise
00:15:06 any red
00:15:07 flags I’d be worried um correct now this
00:15:12 would raise flags for those who like the
00:15:14 chosen also
00:15:17 because yes not something
00:15:20 um oh I forget the name the director of
00:15:23 chosen does not know so anyways right
00:15:28 right so I think think what we’ll do now
00:15:29 is we’re just going to start diving into
00:15:31 the lyrics we’re not actually going to
00:15:34 really um play the music video I want to
00:15:38 concentrate on the message tonight of
00:15:42 this song yeah yeah but I’ll have a link
00:15:44 so people can listen to it if they right
00:15:47 right um like I said just to go read the
00:15:50 lyrics on their own case to you know to
00:15:52 test me and people should test us right
00:15:56 right yeah by all means yeah do test us
00:16:01 Paul Paul praised the city that tested
00:16:05 him and not and didn’t just take his
00:16:07 work yeah he’s like great your B I love
00:16:10 it you know it’s good to believe it’s
00:16:14 better to believe because you’ve
00:16:16 tested right um yeah I don’t necessarily
00:16:20 know I might say a different way but I
00:16:23 do believe the intention Ben has is is
00:16:26 to study it out
00:16:29 as y’ tells us to do yep right okay okay
00:16:36 all we’re gonna so we’re gonna start
00:16:39 yeah so read okay we are start on
00:16:45 we we all start on the outside yeah yeah
00:16:49 so sometimes uh
00:16:52 YouTube transcripts are not good okay we
00:16:55 all start on the outside okay so um I I
00:17:01 already have
00:17:03 problems so um
00:17:07 there Yahweh is worried about the inside
00:17:11 not the outside say so is he starting
00:17:14 about the transformation starting on the
00:17:16 outside or is he starting on or is he
00:17:19 talk the question that we need to ask
00:17:21 ourselves is he’s talking about the
00:17:22 transformation or is he talking about
00:17:25 the the fact that we’re that we all
00:17:27 begin on outside of Salvation looking in
00:17:31 this is the question that you have to
00:17:32 ask yourself um because if that if he’s
00:17:37 talking about that we’re all on the
00:17:38 outside of Salvation before we receive
00:17:40 justification then he’s correct but if
00:17:43 he’s talking about that the
00:17:44 transformation begins on the outside
00:17:46 then he’s dead
00:17:49 wrong right uh I I do see your point and
00:17:53 so I’m trying to reread it with that
00:17:55 idea in mind
00:17:59 and that does make a little start on the
00:18:03 outside the outside looking in this is
00:18:07 where Grace
00:18:08 begins so
00:18:12 I would say it’s a little
00:18:15 confusing
00:18:17 because well it makes you ask that
00:18:19 question what is he actually talking
00:18:21 about right
00:18:23 so and and and if you’re taking
00:18:26 instruction from people like this
00:18:28 because these
00:18:29 Christian musicians are often also
00:18:32 Christian worship leaders
00:18:35 y um if you’re taking instruction from
00:18:37 somebody like this who doesn’t who is
00:18:39 not capable of communicating
00:18:41 specifically enough or which is clearly
00:18:45 right right to to uh act so that you
00:18:49 actually know what he’s referring
00:18:52 to um then we have then you might want
00:18:56 to consider you might want to consider
00:18:58 finding a new worship leader uh sure
00:19:01 sure so now I I’ll tell you the way I
00:19:04 take it is that that this chain starts
00:19:06 on the outside and then goes in but I do
00:19:10 hear PE uh Ben’s point but even reading
00:19:13 it with Ben’s point in mind it is
00:19:17 ambiguous right well it forces one to
00:19:20 ask the question what is he actually
00:19:22 talking about right so my issue is that
00:19:27 Satan focuses on on the outside well
00:19:31 Yahweh Yeshua Jesus focuses on the
00:19:35 inside okay right right a good example
00:19:38 of that is uh with
00:19:41 David’s uh being called to be the
00:19:45 prophet with Samuel right right this
00:19:49 actually also highlights a major
00:19:50 difference between Greek and Hebrew
00:19:53 thought and
00:19:55 um in Greek thought what you are is
00:19:59 defined by observable things about
00:20:02 you correct which goes along with uh the
00:20:07 outside least my translation of Hebrews
00:20:10 11 was whereas Hebrew thought who you
00:20:15 are is
00:20:17 revealed from within right uh that your
00:20:22 works are evidence of the faith that’s
00:20:26 Eternal right you as in and faith is
00:20:30 trust and diligence meaning you trust
00:20:33 yahweh’s word and you diligently seek to
00:20:37 keep it yeah so um you know so even from
00:20:45 that perspect so from that
00:20:47 perspective uh there’s no room for
00:20:50 there’s no room for ambiguous wording
00:20:53 when you’re talking about the process of
00:20:55 Salvation and right and receiving Grace
00:20:59 right and and that is that’s my main
00:21:02 problem with that opening line is that
00:21:04 it is ambiguous and I do believe it’s
00:21:06 purposefully
00:21:07 ambiguous
00:21:09 um because and I do and I do appreciate
00:21:12 what Stephen brings to the table on this
00:21:14 this idea that
00:21:17 um this idea that Satan concentrates on
00:21:20 the outside because that really dubils
00:21:22 nicely into the syncretism of Greek
00:21:25 philosophy with the way creating
00:21:27 Christianity
00:21:31 um are the the basic beliefs of
00:21:33 Christianity that became Catholicism and
00:21:35 so many of the other religions oh yeah
00:21:37 and I I would say that with the typical
00:21:41 Jew I’m I know that’s gonna I’m really
00:21:44 upsetting lots of people here but I I
00:21:46 would say even to the point that this is
00:21:48 in their toits I will be
00:21:52 honest because they have the blue that’s
00:21:55 represents Torah wrapped it on the
00:21:59 outside um as in the appearance but
00:22:02 right when you do word studies to zits
00:22:05 and I’ll show you mine it should be
00:22:07 braided and braided makes it uh
00:22:12 integrated yes of you on the
00:22:15 inside so yes this one actually is just
00:22:19 a normal three braid but anyways so I
00:22:21 won’t get into that um but I do
00:22:25 think a lot of validity for the word
00:22:28 stud study and the principles behind the
00:22:31 word study that is
00:22:34 braided right I did a four braid before
00:22:37 I have recently changed to a three braid
00:22:40 yeah so your uh so your character is
00:22:45 revealed From the Inside by your choices
00:22:49 right it’s it’s and then and then those
00:22:52 choices become your
00:22:54 action right right um and so Yahweh
00:22:58 folus is on the inside because that will
00:23:01 ultimately take care of the outside as
00:23:03 in what you do where worries about
00:23:07 perception what people think not really
00:23:09 who you
00:23:10 are or who you are becoming which I do
00:23:15 believe that the Torah and the gospel is
00:23:19 very concerned about
00:23:21 becoming and that’s one of that’s one of
00:23:24 the things that I have against this
00:23:25 first stanza is this whole idea of being
00:23:27 on the outside looking in is actually
00:23:29 all about your perception of yourself
00:23:34 yes sure I can see that yeah I didn’t
00:23:36 catch that it’s all about your
00:23:37 perception of
00:23:38 yourself very it’s a very and and it’s a
00:23:41 very self-centered it’s actually a very
00:23:43 self-centered way of looking at
00:23:45 Salvation um and it Bears out in the
00:23:48 next stanza well yeah and then also that
00:23:50 should
00:23:52 be uh determined by yahweh’s actual
00:23:56 words through the holy prophet
00:23:59 and that doesn’t change which all as
00:24:03 Yeshua
00:24:04 stated
00:24:09 all all the law and the commentaries of
00:24:14 it from the prophets hang love right
00:24:19 right um as in all of Torah is based
00:24:24 about how Yahweh wants us to love it’s
00:24:28 he how he wants us to enact it right
00:24:32 right right right right how how we are
00:24:33 to love God how we are to love ourselves
00:24:36 and subsequently our neighbors correct
00:24:40 right
00:24:42 so all right so moving on let’s see
00:24:47 that’s where Grace begins Grace begins
00:24:50 so um so it is true Grace doesn’t begin
00:24:55 with us right because even here they’re
00:24:57 saying begins with us Grace and it does
00:25:00 not the beginning of Grace is a gift of
00:25:04 God correct there’s nothing to
00:25:08 do and it’s been available through
00:25:12 Yeshua since the beginning of time with
00:25:16 Adam right fact even the Book of
00:25:19 Revelation states that Yeshua was
00:25:24 crucified
00:25:26 before the beginning of yeah so so
00:25:29 basically so basically this is where
00:25:31 just this is the beginning of Grace is
00:25:34 our
00:25:37 justification and that
00:25:39 justification happens when we come under
00:25:42 the authority of Yeshua
00:25:44 hamashiach uh this is after I I do want
00:25:47 to add this after we come to him with a
00:25:50 broken heart and contrite spirit which
00:25:52 are different way of
00:25:54 saying we want to repent right right so
00:25:59 just for the desire
00:26:04 to Yeshua Y is so merciful the desire to
00:26:09 repent can yield
00:26:11 justification right and that that’s all
00:26:13 it is actually it’s just the
00:26:15 desire right he is so merciful and all
00:26:19 we have to do is desire to repent and he
00:26:21 will justify us right and you see that
00:26:24 in in all the records of
00:26:29 ever ever um yeah it’s all over the
00:26:33 place it’s not that you have to go to a
00:26:37 bishop uh in fact there’s nowhere in
00:26:39 scriptures that state that because the
00:26:41 scriptures St you repent to Yahweh and
00:26:45 the person you
00:26:46 harmed right and if and if and if
00:26:50 further restitution is required you
00:26:53 cannot come to a satisfactory
00:26:56 Arrangement between the two of you
00:26:59 then further Authority is to be cited
00:27:02 yeah and I want to bring this out
00:27:04 quickly this last part that been burn
00:27:06 out just to really drill it in you only
00:27:10 need to go to a judge if you if the two
00:27:13 parties can’t come to agreement
00:27:16 according Torah on their own then you go
00:27:19 to someone else to help yeah it’s not
00:27:22 it’s not the first recourse no first you
00:27:26 try to work it out yourself
00:27:29 exactly how you’re supposed
00:27:31 to
00:27:34 um work things out in oh in Matthew
00:27:38 what’s that Matthew about um going first
00:27:41 you go to the person directly then you
00:27:44 go to a person with an actual
00:27:46 witness yes Ser of the church
00:27:50 witness uh not your buddy and after that
00:27:54 then you go to the authorities you first
00:27:57 work out yourself right right so the
00:28:02 thing is is that when you look at the
00:28:06 when you look at Salvation from the
00:28:07 perspective that we’re all Sinners we’ve
00:28:10 all sinned and fallen short of the glory
00:28:12 of yah there’s not one
00:28:17 sinner who’s on the
00:28:19 inside so you’re not on the outside
00:28:22 looking in you’re a sinner looking for
00:28:25 Grace
00:28:28 right
00:28:30 correct and on that idea that there no
00:28:32 one is the outside where Yeshua can’t
00:28:35 bring you in right correct um the only
00:28:39 again but again as was brought out with
00:28:41 the first stanza that
00:28:44 is right we have to make that decision
00:28:47 that we want to be there correct and
00:28:52 that’s that’s the only thing that stops
00:28:54 you is that is your desire to right
00:28:59 become like him which is repentance is
00:29:02 all about yes so anyways will say I will
00:29:06 say that the next line is a straight
00:29:10 up lie so the song Here We
00:29:15 Begin we were hungry hungry we were
00:29:19 thirsty so now this well but you got to
00:29:24 complete the idea you have to complete
00:29:26 the idea right we were hungry we were
00:29:28 thirsty with nothing left to give oh the
00:29:32 shape that we were in okay so yeah so
00:29:35 let’s let’s let’s look at just that
00:29:38 right there that’s a complete lie so
00:29:40 this idea and this is their borrowing
00:29:43 from the beattitudes from sermon on
00:29:45 Torah which most people know as Sermon
00:29:47 on the Mount yeah and this also goes
00:29:51 back to oh I hope I’m right in Isaiah 53
00:29:55 or
00:29:56 58 about the fast the fast section
00:30:02 or anyways I might have the chapter
00:30:05 wrong but it’s about the fasting and how
00:30:07 the fast is really about righteousness
00:30:10 okay well and here’s here’s the thing
00:30:12 when you look at the Beatitudes in the
00:30:14 proper light what you’re seeing there is
00:30:16 an exposition on the justice and proper
00:30:20 restoration that God gives that y gives
00:30:24 to all who follow in his
00:30:26 ways blessed are the meek for they shall
00:30:29 inherit the earth this is his Justice
00:30:32 his restoration this is eye for eye you
00:30:34 give your humble obedience you will
00:30:36 inherit the earth this is the correct
00:30:39 layout of eye for eye okay so just so
00:30:42 people know that’s desire for desire yes
00:30:45 right right so so every one of the you
00:30:49 need to look at every single one of
00:30:50 those Beatitudes in that
00:30:53 light you do this you will receive this
00:30:57 right
00:30:59 I and let’s let’s make it more basic
00:31:02 let’s break it down more
00:31:04 basic we’re there is never a time when
00:31:07 we have nothing left to give because all
00:31:11 that all that he wants from
00:31:14 us it’s broken heart and a contrite
00:31:18 spirit we can always we can always
00:31:22 choose to give that and we always have
00:31:25 that to give there is never time when we
00:31:28 do not have something to give to go with
00:31:31 that when a choice is presented to us we
00:31:35 can always pick righteousness over
00:31:38 wickedness yes and so absolutely this
00:31:42 idea that we can’t keep doing
00:31:44 righteousness because his hunger and
00:31:46 thirst is going after fasting which is
00:31:50 about righteousness and so along this
00:31:53 line this has to do with fasting has to
00:31:57 do with giving the urges of the natural
00:31:59 man right now there there’s multiple
00:32:02 types of fasts but they’re all the fasts
00:32:05 that I know in the
00:32:07 scriptures are about giving up the
00:32:09 natural urges of the physical body which
00:32:13 is giving up the natural man which is
00:32:16 giving up sin hence why Isaiah I think
00:32:19 it’s Isaiah 58 sorry if I forget the
00:32:21 chapter um yes about it is
00:32:25 58 that this is the fast that I want and
00:32:29 I’m going to summarize it
00:32:31 righteousness boom as in fast or stop
00:32:35 doing wickedness well you know the
00:32:38 interesting thing
00:32:40 is is that in as he describes the fast
00:32:44 what he that he wants and you look at
00:32:46 that and you look at the description of
00:32:49 and you look at the definition of the
00:32:51 word sadaka which is
00:32:54 Charity the two are hand in hand yeah
00:32:58 yeah so what Ben’s getting at is how
00:33:01 what gets translated to English is from
00:33:03 a Hebrew word that I can’t say or I
00:33:06 don’t remember it anyways um I can look
00:33:10 it up but I’m not too worried about it
00:33:11 you can you can go do your search engine
00:33:13 or maybe I can add some links um okay
00:33:16 there you go Ben Ben has it memorized um
00:33:20 it literally means do righteousness
00:33:23 which is uh keep
00:33:26 Torah right those have the Pure Love Of
00:33:29 Christ s
00:33:32 Daka do righteousness oh wait that
00:33:35 reminds me of the phrase if you love me
00:33:38 what keep my Commandments oh yeah wait a
00:33:42 minute that’s that charity
00:33:45 charity and for those who um are in the
00:33:50 restoration [ ] i7 lists things that 00:33:53 charity is guess what they’re listing 00:33:57 righteous 00:33:59 yes they’re listing things from Torah 00:34:02 and then Galatians 5 for those who don’t 00:34:06 like the restoration for whatever lie 00:34:09 that they’re believing that itself 00:34:12 Galatians 5 is h a list of another 00:34:17 things that Torah tells us to do which 00:34:21 goes along with spirit 00:34:23 being the behavior that b word yeah the 00:34:28 fruits the fruits of the spirit are 00:34:31 those things which come when you obey 00:34:36 for when you when you look at the fruits 00:34:38 of the spirit and you look at what’s 00:34:40 promised to those who obey the law they 00:34:44 run hand in hand so way to say it the 00:34:48 fruits of the Holy 00:34:50 Behavior are this meaning you’ll do 00:34:54 it 00:34:55 right they they go hand in hand it’s one 00:34:59 does not exist without the other correct 00:35:02 goes along with uh Faith you trust it 00:35:05 and then you that d word do it do it 00:35:10 what okay so you don’t just think about 00:35:13 it 00:35:15 yeah yes mental Ascent you can mentally 00:35:18 Ascent to everything all you want um 00:35:22 while you tap dance your way down to 00:35:24 Hell uh yes so FYI uh I I do believe Ben 00:35:29 did tap dance on purpose because uh 00:35:32 there’s the noise that you’re making 00:35:34 about it and dance is symbolic of a 00:35:37 covenant and now you’ve made a covenant 00:35:39 with Satan which is actually described 00:35:41 in the scriptures so just actually yeah 00:35:45 all right 00:35:47 so hang on this is really good so uh you 00:35:52 always are able to choose righteousness 00:35:56 over wickedness and that is a complete 00:35:59 lie right 00:36:00 there there is never a 00:36:03 time there is never a time when you have 00:36:05 nothing to 00:36:07 give right because it is to give 00:36:10 righteousness right right 00:36:12 yeah that is that’s simply uh that I do 00:36:16 believe that that’s simply a uh 00:36:20 emotional trigger phrase that’s meant to 00:36:22 manipulate oh yeah yeah they’re doing uh 00:36:26 what the briami church will call Heart 00:36:28 cell but it’s not unique to 00:36:31 them um as in they’re they’re using 00:36:34 emotions to manipulate you into doing 00:36:37 what’s wrong doing and believing what is 00:36:39 wrong um right so this is really 00:36:44 bringing out how 00:36:48 that um in fact oh give the that the 00:36:52 shape we’re in so you can’t get Grace or 00:36:56 uh justification is another word or 00:36:58 Mercy to be more spe um because Mercy is 00:37:03 a step to Grace but anyways Mercy is the 00:37:06 mercy is the beginning of the outpouring 00:37:08 of Christ’s Grace upon you because it’s 00:37:10 absolutely unmar favor it it is Grace 00:37:14 correct Mercy we are we do not Merit 00:37:16 Mercy we Merit 00:37:18 destruction uh yeah I don’t know about 00:37:21 you guys yeah yeah I I 00:37:24 I actually that is biblical uh 00:37:28 I have sin so I deserve hell none of us 00:37:31 Merit Grace So Mercy is Grace but it’s 00:37:37 only the beginning and you don’t want to 00:37:39 have to stay in that place where you’re 00:37:42 always having to apply for Mercy right 00:37:44 and so what I’m getting at here is to 00:37:46 get that justification that initial 00:37:49 Mercy you have to want to repent right 00:37:53 or want to do what is right and then who 00:37:57 they are saying that that’s not the case 00:38:00 they’re like they’re straight up lying 00:38:03 they’re teaching what they’re saying not 00:38:05 able teaching false Doctrine repentance 00:38:08 which is a lie everybody’s able to 00:38:11 repent grest sinner can repent so 00:38:15 correct 00:38:17 um um which is why 00:38:20 nobody which is why nobody is truly on 00:38:22 the outside right right and Paul said he 00:38:26 was among the the worst Sinners I think 00:38:29 is the how it’s translated but anyways 00:38:32 um he was yeah I I know I know the part 00:38:36 you’re talking about yeah I might not 00:38:38 remember exactly but if people want to 00:38:41 quival over 00:38:42 that whatever luck in heaven when it 00:38:45 comes to Judgment Day yeah exactly I 00:38:48 should say good luck getting into heaven 00:38:50 but anyways um yeah because 00:38:54 you the issue is not the exact word it’s 00:38:58 the concept okay yes yes anyway so I I 00:39:02 think we should maybe go on a little bit 00:39:05 um the shape that were in and just when 00:39:10 all hope seemed lost love opened the 00:39:14 door for us okay so so yeah okay go 00:39:18 ahead go ahead this is also 00:39:22 somewhat this can be a mixed statement 00:39:25 here but I do believe what they’re 00:39:27 trying to get at is how you have to 00:39:30 descend to ascend yep yes that’s exactly 00:39:34 what they’re get out that’s exactly what 00:39:37 they’re getting at and that is a primary 00:39:39 principle of the occult is that one has 00:39:41 to descend to ascend one has to be 00:39:46 humiliated in order that they may 00:39:49 rise correct or you have to um go 00:39:54 through a lot of crap 00:39:57 as in no more hope right so I and 00:40:02 actually if you had no hope which is 00:40:05 what this is kind of stating well and 00:40:09 why would you reach out to Yeshua with 00:40:13 that desire to repent if you had no hope 00:40:17 Well here here’s the thing that I don’t 00:40:20 like that this is 00:40:22 teaching it’s stating that at one point 00:40:26 before Yeshua came to 00:40:28 Earth that people had no 00:40:34 hope I I don’t know if these lyrics 00:40:36 actually state that but that is a common 00:40:40 belief I mean I can see I can see where 00:40:42 you’re coming from then but I don’t 00:40:44 think that that’s naturally inferred in 00:40:47 the 00:40:47 lyrics right 00:40:50 but um it’s a common it is it is a 00:40:54 common belief among it’s one of those 00:40:57 beliefs that you find in a lot of 00:40:59 Christian denominations right 00:41:02 yeah is that um 00:41:06 uh that that Yeshua wasn’t and what it 00:41:10 basically implies is that Yeshua was not 00:41:12 the lamb chosen from before the 00:41:15 foundation of the world correct denying 00:41:18 right well I I have an issue I have an 00:41:21 issue with this line right here love 00:41:23 opened the door for us no we have to 00:41:26 open 00:41:27 the door and let Yeshua in I was just 00:41:32 about to say that so thank you um yeah 00:41:35 this is showing the incorrect order of 00:41:39 how things 00:41:42 work disorder it’s disordered in its 00:41:45 approach now the it’s the love it it’s 00:41:50 an expression of love and it’s an 00:41:53 expression of love and hope when we 00:41:55 reach out for y to Yesa for the 00:41:58 Forgiveness of our 00:42:00 sins but that we have to reach we have 00:42:04 to choose right right and the New 00:42:08 Testament actually States we have to 00:42:09 open the door yeah right and so this is 00:42:13 directly going against imagery in the 00:42:16 New Testament and I will say on purpose 00:42:21 I would I would I would say that this is 00:42:24 actually teaching the Tulip principle 00:42:26 irresistible 00:42:28 race all right so you want to get into 00:42:30 tulip real quick since you bring it up 00:42:32 yeah so tulip is the these are the five 00:42:35 points of 00:42:36 Calvinism which is other 00:42:40 Protestants use it to some extent but it 00:42:42 is primarily calvinist yeah it was they 00:42:46 were these Five Points were derived were 00:42:49 invented I would say by John Calvin and 00:42:54 uh 00:42:55 appropriated by m of the rest to one 00:42:59 degree or another I should say not 00:43:02 completely but to one degree or another 00:43:04 by much of the by many of the other 00:43:07 Protestant sects yeah 00:43:11 so it tulip is actually an 00:43:15 acronym and it 00:43:18 stands sorry I’m being a dork tulip is a 00:43:21 flower is a flower yes very prettyer 00:43:25 yeah and it’s it’s uh blossoms and 00:43:28 petals are actually in layers but anyway 00:43:34 um the te stands for total depravity we 00:43:39 are totally depraved we 00:43:41 cannot uh interact with the things of 00:43:44 God on our own meaning we can’t be we 00:43:49 can’t do what is 00:43:51 right yes so a lot you’ll see that a lot 00:43:55 of these ideas are actually in the 00:43:57 lyrics of this song we we’re on the and 00:44:01 if we’re totally depraved we are on the 00:44:05 outside uh yeah right but we are able to 00:44:09 do what is right we are able to do what 00:44:11 is right we are able that we all expect 00:44:16 other people to do what is right we just 00:44:20 most people don’t expect themselves to 00:44:22 do what is right but they expect 00:44:24 everybody else to do it showing 00:44:25 obviously because the rules t total 00:44:29 depravity U right um unconditional 00:44:35 election in other 00:44:37 words God in his Sovereign will chose 00:44:41 the 00:44:42 elect and chose the elect for salvation 00:44:45 chose the elect for damnation and it’s 00:44:49 unconditional nothing you do is going to 00:44:51 change your elect status right right so 00:44:55 uh that’s basically in layman’s terms 00:44:58 God playing or I sorry bad habit Yahweh 00:45:02 Elohim playing 00:45:05 favorites right oh you mean it makes him 00:45:07 a respector of persons yes it does this 00:45:10 is why tulip this is why the but this is 00:45:12 why the Bible doesn’t actually teach 00:45:14 tulip but they but a calvinist will be a 00:45:17 calvinist will gladly show will gladly 00:45:19 proof text verses to show that it does 00:45:22 uh yeah but I pretty much everybody 00:45:24 proof text so it’s not just 00:45:28 I’m not stating that Calvinists are the 00:45:30 only people with proof text 00:45:32 but but they they’re the ones who will 00:45:35 primarily try to proof text to prove 00:45:36 tulip sure that is correct so um so 00:45:42 unconditional 00:45:43 election L limited 00:45:47 atonement uh atonement only applies to 00:45:52 those who were elected to be 00:45:55 saved okay so 00:45:59 um first of all there’s the there’s the 00:46:01 respector persons going on or favor but 00:46:05 in addition part of the atonement is the 00:46:11 resurrection that applies to everybody 00:46:14 that who has been and will be 00:46:19 born right right um and in addition uh 00:46:25 the Bible and book of actually basic it 00:46:28 does come out and say 00:46:30 unlimited 00:46:33 infin I I do I mean it’s been a while 00:46:36 since we taking a math class but 00:46:38 infinite’s uh 00:46:40 unlimited yeah yeah so but the 00:46:43 interesting so I don’t see um limited 00:46:48 atonement or unconditional election in 00:46:51 this 00:46:52 song but I do see total depravity uh yes 00:46:56 yes 00:46:58 um 00:46:59 so then I is irresistible stands for 00:47:03 irresistible Grace for those who are 00:47:06 elected his grace will come in and it 00:47:09 will give them the gift of faith and 00:47:12 they will and so then they will be able 00:47:15 to interact positively with the things 00:47:18 of with the things of 00:47:21 Elohim and be saved so Ben I have choice 00:47:25 on their part it’s just irresistible 00:47:27 it carries them through so here here’s a 00:47:30 question because I I’m not well schooled 00:47:32 in tulip but would they put uh one saved 00:47:36 always saved into that that no that 00:47:39 comes in the P that’s in the P oh okay 00:47:41 sorry I I okay all right well it’s 00:47:45 actually it’s actually kind of in the I 00:47:47 and the P okay it’s in both because all 00:47:51 of these principles are overlap and 00:47:54 intersect with each other uh that’s true 00:47:56 um but um no matter where it is I I I 00:48:00 can see it in this stuff um and it’s 00:48:04 unbiblical in fact if nothing else Paul 00:48:07 said he was worried about it after he 00:48:11 was yeah the the grace of Elohim is not 00:48:16 irresistible he does NE he will never 00:48:20 override your 00:48:21 agency he will he will allow you to lead 00:48:25 yourself to hell with the false 00:48:28 doctrines you choose to believe okay so 00:48:30 let let me clar I do want to clarify a 00:48:33 little bit it’s not just false doctrines 00:48:35 okay there is a specific thing that will 00:48:38 make you lose 00:48:40 it it’s not believing in Yeshua anymore 00:48:45 right not a matter of how many sins or 00:48:48 what not okay it’s that you don’t 00:48:51 believe in 00:48:52 Yeshua and you throw off the covering 00:48:55 correct the covering and you actively 00:48:58 and you actively fight against it that 00:49:01 point true wait a minute let me clarify 00:49:04 a little bit it is true no one else can 00:49:06 take it away from you and God won’t it’s 00:49:11 you you alone that can take that away 00:49:16 right that’s it nobody else it’s your 00:49:20 own damn literal 00:49:23 fault right so you if you do this to 00:49:27 yourself yes all right so the p in tulip 00:49:31 stands for the perseverance of God with 00:49:33 his Saints or the perseverance of the 00:49:35 Saints as they put it oh yeah I see that 00:49:38 more one saved always saved more there 00:49:40 so yeah so he’s never going to let you 00:49:42 go you’re always saved uh once you’ve 00:49:46 once you’ve been saved you’re always 00:49:48 saved uh regardless of what you do um 00:49:51 though examples against that not even 00:49:54 though I will St in their defense I will 00:49:56 will state that not even all Calvinists 00:49:59 believe 00:50:01 that because they will state that if 00:50:04 somebody steps away from their 00:50:07 confession of faith and it stops walking 00:50:11 it stops walking in God’s ways that they 00:50:14 were never saved to begin with right but 00:50:17 that in itself is showing that they do 00:50:19 believe that idea one saved always saved 00:50:22 right because they excuses showing that 00:50:24 well their excuses they were never saved 00:50:27 right well and the thing is is that when 00:50:30 here here’s a question I if if it’s not 00:50:33 by works your words are a work so if you 00:50:38 say you don’t believe anymore is that a 00:50:42 work 00:50:44 right not the case or are you still 00:50:46 saved I mean anyways this brings up tons 00:50:49 of complications there’s there’s 00:50:52 tons there’s tons of issues with tulip 00:50:57 there’s tons of issues with many there’s 00:51:00 tons of issues with many doctrines that 00:51:02 have come up that have sprung up since 00:51:03 the time of the Bible uh and and the 00:51:07 Book of God gave us the Book of Mormon 00:51:10 and Doctrine and Covenants to try to 00:51:11 give us yet more instruction on how I 00:51:16 would also add the new translation which 00:51:18 is better known as The Inspired version 00:51:20 or the GST where Joseph Smith 00:51:24 is restoring and correcting things there 00:51:27 are tons of issues with many doctrines 00:51:30 in many uh 00:51:33 denominations um now Catholics like to 00:51:37 say that there were no denominations 00:51:39 before the Reformation but this is false 00:51:41 that’s false because because there were 00:51:45 already uh but even when the even when 00:51:48 the uh even when the Roman Catholic 00:51:51 right was 00:51:52 established uh it wasn’t very long after 00:51:55 that that there was a SK and now you had 00:51:57 two denominations of the Catholic rights 00:52:01 sure sure but there there were groups 00:52:03 even before the Catholics so right right 00:52:06 right right so th this is Catholics like 00:52:09 to say that they go all the way back to 00:52:11 the apostles and no they don’t they 00:52:14 they’re they’re lying about their 00:52:16 history just like the Church of Jesus 00:52:18 Christ well what I do believe that they 00:52:20 do go back to Simon Magus but that’s 00:52:23 another discussion I do believe that’s a 00:52:25 completely different 00:52:28 yes but they’re far more e they’re far 00:52:31 more easily connected to the early 00:52:33 Christian fathers origin Justin Martyr 00:52:38 uh those guys yeah which mixed 00:52:41 HEB ideas so right right right right um 00:52:45 I I will also say 00:52:48 um restoration churches where I came 00:52:50 from in fact all of us came from 00:52:53 here they have left the restoration also 00:52:56 so in fact I I and I will say this about 00:52:59 any Restoration Group but I specifically 00:53:02 say it about the brigite or the Ellis 00:53:04 church because this where I grew up the 00:53:06 Book of Mormon is the greatest anti Bram 00:53:09 my LDS Book there is uh yes I I also 00:53:14 believe the Bible but I I do I think the 00:53:17 Book of Mormon has more power there 00:53:19 hence the 00:53:21 greater right it’s a it’s a very clear 00:53:24 instruction that is very clear being 00:53:27 violated well right right and you can’t 00:53:29 claim 00:53:30 mistranslated no not at all which gives 00:53:33 it more power I mean there are people 00:53:35 who will there are there are Christians 00:53:38 who will claim fraudulent 00:53:40 translation um and that’s but that’s on 00:53:43 you know that’s a different issue um but 00:53:46 anyway completely different issue so 00:53:48 moving on um so next line this next line 00:53:52 is a horrific thing so come to the table 00:53:56 join the Sinners have been that who have 00:53:58 been redeemed okay let’s stop there so y 00:54:03 um I can see how some people and most 00:54:06 people will probably say well what’s the 00:54:07 wrong with that it this is a great 00:54:10 emotional hook this line is a great 00:54:12 emotional hook it and they use music to 00:54:15 play off of it really 00:54:17 well they the way that they the um the 00:54:22 they use the chord structure and the 00:54:23 music to play off of that really well 00:54:25 but the um the interesting thing is that 00:54:29 um sorry folks if you’re redeemed you’re 00:54:33 not a sinner anymore ah okay no let 00:54:37 let’s clarify here a little bit um okay 00:54:40 so I 00:54:43 I you don’t have any more desire to sin 00:54:47 and so come join the 00:54:50 repented or repenters who have been 00:54:54 redeemed right 00:54:56 this is a very subtle thing repenters 00:55:00 are ones who are trying to fix it as in 00:55:04 they have that broken heart and contrite 00:55:05 spirit and sinners are those who live in 00:55:08 their sins and love their sins yeah Paul 00:55:11 said make grace abound as in right and 00:55:15 it is stated C repentance it is stated 00:55:20 it is stated very clearly multiple times 00:55:23 in the 00:55:24 Psalms that God that 00:55:28 hates Sinners yeah the one that I have 00:55:31 memorized is Psalms 5 but I’m sure 00:55:34 there’s more but it’s there’s two or 00:55:37 three times in the Psalms where that’s 00:55:38 mentioned hates the sinner but the 00:55:40 interesting thing is is that the moment 00:55:43 that you repent he’s ready to extend 00:55:45 justification to you and his love 00:55:48 correct like that right which uh 00:55:52 happened with Paul a big example from 00:55:55 the new 00:55:56 Testament uh Elma the younger in the 00:56:01 Book of Mormon is another example and 00:56:04 yes Paul and them Elma the younger have 00:56:08 some parallels but they also have things 00:56:11 that are not parallel also yes yes a 00:56:15 Surface Book and someone who hasn’t 00:56:17 really studied the text will probably go 00:56:19 off of how he’s just a 00:56:21 copy uh no you need to do a little more 00:56:24 study there are some 00:56:27 uh correlations but there are many I 00:56:30 would almost suggest that there’s more 00:56:32 differences than similarities but yeah 00:56:35 there are there are but and there’s 00:56:37 something that’s very interesting that 00:56:39 the story of Elma teaches us about 00:56:43 repentance first 00:56:47 off elma’s repentance wasn’t in the time 00:56:50 that he was feeling 00:56:52 bad it’s in the moment that he turned 00:56:55 away away from his sins and to Yeshua 00:57:01 hamashia that was his 00:57:03 repentance the feel bad was to get him 00:57:05 to turn yeah uh guilt is to get you to 00:57:10 go to the source to fix it right not to 00:57:15 have you stay there and wow I what I 00:57:19 think wallow and wallow in your own 00:57:22 basically wallow in your own self-pity 00:57:24 right and the second thing that that’s 00:57:26 the second thing that that story teaches 00:57:28 us is that his repentance was recognized 00:57:31 in heaven before he had confessed his 00:57:34 sins to a single 00:57:36 soul correct as in he was in a coma when 00:57:39 he was forgiven where there was no 00:57:43 Bishop to talk to and I bring this just 00:57:47 because of the term I I do bring this 00:57:49 out in my Bishops or Judes of Israel 00:57:52 post and um there was no Bishop there 00:57:55 was no priest there was no spiritual 00:57:59 adviser yeah there was nobody he was in 00:58:01 a coma not even there weren’t even the 00:58:03 people that he had harmed with his 00:58:06 actions yeah he couldn’t even fix 00:58:08 anything yet it is the desire yet and 00:58:12 yet he was forgiven yeah it’s because of 00:58:16 the desire right you’ll see how he went 00:58:20 and preached afterward he went to the 00:58:23 leaders and he spent the rest of his 00:58:26 life he spent the rest of his life 00:58:29 literally preaching the truth right but 00:58:32 I’m and when he went somewhere where 00:58:34 someone he wronged he then corrected it 00:58:37 yes there yes because in the account it 00:58:42 brings out how he kept 00:58:44 repenting as in he kept he didn’t keep 00:58:48 going to God for the ones he already did 00:58:50 but he went to the people and corrected 00:58:53 it there when he had the chance yep 00:58:57 right and so and so this is the this is 00:59:00 the thing is that repentance is actually 00:59:05 a lot 00:59:07 simpler than many of these hierarchical 00:59:11 religions want to make 00:59:13 it or even nonh hierarch well I guess 00:59:18 non hierarchical religions the 00:59:20 non-hierarchical religions have a fairly 00:59:22 um Blas standard of repentance actually 00:59:28 I don’t know about that but anyways the 00:59:30 the focus is you repent is to confess to 00:59:35 Yahweh confess to the person you wronged 00:59:38 and do your best to 00:59:43 restore what you broke or hurt or stole 00:59:47 or whatever of the person okay right so 00:59:51 so once again this goes so just back to 00:59:54 tie it back to the song here 00:59:58 the Sinners are not redeemed correct 01:00:01 it’s the 01:00:02 repentant right yeah right and this 01:00:06 is you might say that’s 01:00:08 semantics but specificity but 01:00:11 specificity of speech is what indicates 01:00:15 that you know what you’re talking about 01:00:17 right because a 01:00:19 sinner are so are people who keep 01:00:22 sinning they they love their sins and 01:00:25 they and they want to live in their sin 01:00:28 and someone who’s been born again is a 01:00:31 new creature they’re not going to Define 01:00:35 themselves oh by their past because 01:00:38 they’re new they’re not old so they 01:00:42 wouldn’t so they would not describe 01:00:44 themselves necessarily as 01:00:47 Sinners right now the I just I’m I I 01:00:50 don’t remember where it is in the New 01:00:52 Testament but one of the letters brings 01:00:53 out those who say you’re not a sinner 01:00:56 they’re Liars I agree with that but 01:00:59 sinners in of the 01:01:02 past it’s nothing about the future right 01:01:06 and and and I believe that passage if I 01:01:09 I think I know the one you’re talking 01:01:11 about I agree with you it’s it’s we have 01:01:14 all sinned and fallen short Glory what 01:01:16 it says if anyone says they have not sin 01:01:21 right talk this is very clearly talking 01:01:25 about the past this is not talking about 01:01:28 the 01:01:30 future you 01:01:32 can yeah although I I uh the text says 01:01:35 one thing I do also know how people 01:01:39 incorrectly yeah yeah yeah I was the 01:01:42 facts of the matter are this is not a 01:01:45 this is not a carp blunch from John 01:01:47 saying okay go ahead and sin because if 01:01:51 you don’t sin you’re a liar 01:01:57 yeah uh specificity he words matter and 01:02:01 specificity is I think you’re overd 01:02:03 dramatizing that a little bit how people 01:02:05 interpret it but I do see your point um 01:02:09 but it’s about your past sins not your 01:02:12 future righteousness okay right because 01:02:15 we have all sinned and fallen short 01:02:18 except for one except for one and that 01:02:22 one was Yeshua and because he was 01:02:26 perfect he could perform the 01:02:28 atonement right and otherwise he he 01:02:31 would have had the same consequence that 01:02:33 we have and because we are grateful and 01:02:35 we want to become we walk as he 01:02:39 walked right everybody so there’s a 01:02:42 common phrase what would Jesus do 01:02:46 everybody says that Nobody Does it 01:02:49 because what Jesus would do is not sin 01:02:51 in fact it literally he never sinned 01:02:55 right and he would and he wouldn’t 01:02:57 support you’re probably confusing false 01:02:59 traditions of men with God’s law yes and 01:03:02 another and another um another thing 01:03:06 about that you’ll never find a passage 01:03:10 of 01:03:10 scripture which 01:03:13 states that sin with good 01:03:16 intention is not 01:03:19 sin oh right 01:03:22 um this goes along with the hor idea 01:03:26 from the ult and Satan that the ends 01:03:29 justifies the means it does 01:03:31 not yeah you are to be holy as he is 01:03:35 Holy and uh Holiness is defined in his 01:03:41 Torah his law that he gave us so so once 01:03:45 again tie it back here again the song 01:03:48 yep Sinners are not redeemed the 01:03:52 repentant are redeemed and what defines 01:03:55 repentance 01:03:56 is returning to Torah because that’s how 01:03:58 Yeshua walked out his life yeah in fact 01:04:04 uh one of the John letters is it First 01:04:06 John 01:04:08 3 no I can’t remember anyways I it’s the 01:04:12 same letter it’s it’s first John it’s 01:04:14 the same letter that says if any man say 01:04:17 that he has not sinned he he is a liar 01:04:19 in the truth is not in him right 01:04:21 right um so but we’re told that the 01:04:24 definition is is breaking Torah yes the 01:04:29 law yes Christians translate Torah into 01:04:33 law and Jews generally translate into 01:04:36 instructions okay 01:04:40 right but either way but either way it 01:04:42 boils down to the same thing yeah yeah 01:04:45 okay so as you can tell there’s lots of 01:04:47 problems lots of doctrinal problems with 01:04:49 these lyrics yeah yeah yeah so take your 01:04:52 place beside the Savior so sermon on 01:04:55 Torah or sermon on the mou in Matthew 7 01:04:58 it brings out if you’re 01:05:00 Lawless you will be cast 01:05:03 out if you’re Lawless if you’re Lawless 01:05:06 you don’t have a place beside the Savior 01:05:08 if you’re a sinner you don’t have a 01:05:10 place beside the depart from 01:05:13 me yes if you’re a sinner you inity he 01:05:18 never knew me yeah so yeah just to 01:05:22 finish what I was saying if you’re a 01:05:23 sinner you don’t have a place beside the 01:05:24 Savior if you’re 01:05:26 repentant if you’re moving away from 01:05:28 your sins if you’re becoming like the 01:05:30 Savior now you have a place now I I I 01:05:33 will clarify just a little bit and I 01:05:35 think Ben will agree with me yeah uh 01:05:37 it’s testerol which is not only frite it 01:05:43 is throughout the Bible and I’ll give 01:05:45 some recordings and other 01:05:47 people uh outside the restoration do 01:05:49 believe this and I have links for that 01:05:51 also it’s testal people won’t get to see 01:05:55 Yeshua 01:05:56 terrestrial will and they’re still 01:05:57 sinning but they’re they’re not they’re 01:06:01 not just Lawless Lawless is that you are 01:06:05 just you think sinning is fine it’s no 01:06:08 big deal who cares uh testial is you you 01:06:14 do kind of believe it in the law but 01:06:18 you’re too busy doing other things and 01:06:21 you’re not get serious so on and so 01:06:24 forth okay right 01:06:26 it’s a technicality but I do think it’s 01:06:28 an important one right no I yeah I don’t 01:06:31 disagree with you okay so I figured you 01:06:33 agree with me so so that line right 01:06:36 there I will say this real quick 01:06:38 sometime we’re doing this on the Fly and 01:06:41 sometimes It’s tricky to get all the 01:06:44 nuances in a quick sentence right y 01:06:50 especially if you like especially if 01:06:51 you’re like me and you like to make it 01:06:53 snappy uh sure and 01:06:56 I 01:06:59 uh yeah I I’m I’m pretty technical which 01:07:02 is probably partly why I’m a software 01:07:04 engineer by um profession um but anyways 01:07:09 well I think I think that you know yes 01:07:12 take your place beside the Savior if 01:07:14 you’re a sinner you don’t have a place 01:07:15 next to the Savior you don’t have a 01:07:17 place anywhere near him if you’re 01:07:20 Lawless I being some specific here 01:07:23 Lawless only if you’re yeah if you’re 01:07:25 you’re 01:07:26 Lawless if you’re Lawless if you 01:07:29 completely um if you completely reject 01:07:32 the law there’s not you don’t have a 01:07:34 place beside the Savior now okay so this 01:07:37 there a little Nuance here so let’s talk 01:07:39 about this because I did talk about how 01:07:42 uh to come under his covering you have 01:07:43 to want to repent which is returning the 01:07:45 law so parable of the S we’ll just say 01:07:48 this real quick the seed which is the 01:07:51 word Torah the word of God we’re 01:07:54 supposed to live by every word that 01:07:56 proceeds out of the mouth of Y not just 01:07:58 our favorite ones but the group that 01:08:03 that all call testal because of my 01:08:05 background but there is a group that 01:08:08 initially accepts it but then the 01:08:11 demons uh Birds crows bad 01:08:15 birds take the seeds away so now you 01:08:18 don’t believe it anymore but you’re 01:08:20 still in the Kingdom okay right anyways 01:08:24 and just if I sermon on Torah or Sermon 01:08:28 on the Mount Matthew 5 brings out how 01:08:30 there are people who are greater AKA 01:08:33 more Glory so right right right that’s 01:08:38 the talent brings us out too huh parable 01:08:42 of the talents brings it out as well 01:08:44 yeah yeah well there there’s many of 01:08:45 them that bring it out I I mean it’s in 01:08:48 the garden it’s in the ark it’s in the 01:08:50 Tabernacle it it’s it’s everywhere in 01:08:54 fact 01:08:56 uh in is it the 01:08:59 mark Edition or version of the parable 01:09:03 of the so brings out if you don’t know 01:09:06 understand this you don’t understand the 01:09:08 Kingdom right is it the mark one anyways 01:09:12 um I think that is the mark one yeah 01:09:14 okay all right so I I got it right um so 01:09:19 anyways it’s there if you’re willing to 01:09:22 study and 01:09:24 to see and here right okay the only all 01:09:29 you have to do is be willing to uh dig a 01:09:34 Little 01:09:37 Deeper yeah 01:09:40 and 01:09:41 uh don’t come up with excuses why it 01:09:45 doesn’t apply right right right 01:09:48 right all right so moving on okay moving 01:09:51 on yeah uh besides you say 01:09:55 sit down and be set 01:09:58 free um come to the table come to the 01:10:00 table Yeah so 01:10:04 free that I mean I I I I have an idea 01:10:08 what they mean I can’t absolutely prove 01:10:11 it but considering the rest of it I’m 01:10:12 pretty sure it means do it that will 01:10:14 that is the whole of the law right the 01:10:18 aster I’m gonna add this asteris as long 01:10:20 as you uh obey Your Leader above you so 01:10:25 here’s here’s what I see there what I 01:10:28 see is that they’re ignoring the 01:10:30 Biblical teaching of what we become when 01:10:34 we come under the covering of Christ 01:10:36 because okay let’s take a look at this 01:10:39 we’ve all sinned we’ve all fallen short 01:10:42 of the glory of Y right we are deservant 01:10:46 of 01:10:48 Destruction he comes in and pays the 01:10:51 blood penalty for our 01:10:53 sins he owns our 01:10:56 debt we are his bond servants because he 01:11:00 paid that penalty for us according to 01:11:03 the law right we are not 01:11:08 free correct if we wish to remain 01:11:11 covered correct 01:11:14 um yes complet very well said Ben yeah I 01:11:18 was wow okay good yes all right moving 01:11:22 on um we’ve been paid by a great price 01:11:29 yes um yes we need for those who really 01:11:36 want to be like 01:11:39 Yeshua 01:11:41 want although it’s a penny out of 01:11:46 infinity they want to give something 01:11:48 back right right absolutely and but the 01:11:54 the the 01:11:55 we will 01:11:58 forever we will forever be working 01:12:02 off no we’ll forever be in we’re gonna 01:12:05 be in debt forever in debt that might be 01:12:07 a better way to say it yeah we’ll be 01:12:09 forever in debt we’ll be forever in 01:12:11 debt yeah um for what he’s paid for us 01:12:15 and there’s not the things that because 01:12:19 and the the funny thing is is we have 01:12:21 such a good 01:12:23 Master because when we do what he 01:12:26 says He blesses us right and in addition 01:12:31 when we’re still figuring things out he 01:12:33 works with us contrary to the other side 01:12:35 where they’re jackasses to you yes we 01:12:39 have such a we have such a wonderful 01:12:41 glorious merciful master all of this by 01:12:45 the way you know Tor 01:12:50 prophesied with the uh with the law 01:12:55 of being able to trade yourself into for 01:12:57 Bond servitude when you were in too much 01:12:59 debt it prophesied of the coming of the 01:13:02 Savior correct um which goes along with 01:13:06 the Holy Spirit Torah teaching about the 01:13:12 sun it’s all over sorry yes it is no it 01:13:18 really is yeah so yeah I mean this is 01:13:21 this is one of those things that I’m 01:13:23 Prett one of those things that I’m 01:13:24 pretty sorry solid on that the 01:13:26 scriptures teach very firmly is that we 01:13:29 are Bond servants to Yeshua hamashiach 01:13:32 when we come under the covering when we 01:13:34 covering when we when we are in the 01:13:37 house with the blood on the door we are 01:13:41 Bond servants to Yeshua 01:13:44 H yep y very true just because uh Ben’s 01:13:50 using some imagery from Passover I will 01:13:53 say this just briefly that the high 01:13:56 holidays do teach the gospel okay and 01:13:59 I’ll leave it at that and they and they 01:14:01 were established to teach the gospel and 01:14:04 they also and the and the exod and there 01:14:07 are events in The Exodus that pre- sage 01:14:11 and 01:14:12 teach um how we are saved correct and 01:14:17 yes you go look at the high holidays 01:14:21 they talk about the process that we need 01:14:23 to go through so right right there’s a 01:14:27 lot to that that’s a whole another 01:14:29 teaching so 01:14:31 yeah we’re not going to go into that 01:14:33 here today 01:14:35 because that we have to get I just want 01:14:38 to say one more 01:14:40 thing and that is 01:14:44 that I would implore you not to throw 01:14:46 out the Old Testament because you don’t 01:14:48 really understand your salvation if you 01:14:50 do oh correct in addition the New 01:14:53 Testament is most most ly 01:14:56 expounding and teaching the 01:15:01 old uh if you throw out the Old 01:15:03 Testament you won’t understand the New 01:15:05 Testament at all at all sorry which is 01:15:09 proven by the many people who like to 01:15:11 rest the words of Paul uh yes that is a 01:15:15 very good example in point case in point 01:15:18 Peter actually stated that Paul is 01:15:21 teaching Torah and you should listen to 01:15:23 him but a lot of 01:15:26 speaking of which that’s my next post 01:15:28 talking about the hard talking my next 01:15:31 post is talking about the hard words of 01:15:32 Paul yeah oh yeah okay so going on yes 01:15:38 this Mighty crew of Misfits okay let’s 01:15:42 stop there so I I know Misfits is not in 01:15:45 the Bible okay uh well maybe it depends 01:15:48 on your translation because there’s some 01:15:49 interesting translations out there but 01:15:53 um cool today to use bad words as good 01:15:58 words right right yep a misfit is 01:16:02 someone who is a law breaker uh 01:16:08 rebellious right rebellious are breaking 01:16:11 the 01:16:12 law somebody who 01:16:14 doesn’t 01:16:16 lawlessness so right I what I see here 01:16:19 is uh what I see here with this Misfits 01:16:23 thing is a teach teaching of woke 01:16:26 theology which with the idea that um see 01:16:32 you don’t even have to blend into 01:16:34 societal Norms in order to come to the 01:16:37 table 01:16:39 um I’m guess what here’s the here’s 01:16:42 something that a lot of people don’t 01:16:44 seem to realize and that is that our 01:16:45 societal Norms actually stem from the 01:16:49 idea from the from the fact that Torah 01:16:51 is written on the heart of all adults uh 01:16:54 it to a certain extent I will agree that 01:16:56 because it’s been perverted in society 01:16:58 but right there there is a kernel of 01:17:02 Truth to what Ben saying it’s been some 01:17:05 perverted but yes right but it but but 01:17:08 the but that’s my point the so but my 01:17:11 point simply is the societal Norms come 01:17:13 from the 01:17:14 truth there may not be the truth of 01:17:17 Torah but they come from that truth um 01:17:21 so you so this is um you know is uh you 01:17:26 have to be you have if you’re not 01:17:30 willing if you’re not even if you’re not 01:17:32 willing even to 01:17:35 uh if you’re not willing to even live up 01:17:38 to your own 01:17:39 conscience our own conscience screams at 01:17:42 us when we’re doing these things that 01:17:44 run against the course of nature which 01:17:47 is from Yahweh right it 01:17:50 is one of the ways that he’s 01:17:55 trying to teach people everybody Torah 01:17:59 you see you see so many people going 01:18:02 against the ways of Nature and I have 01:18:04 never seen and the world has never been 01:18:07 more depressed than it is today oh yeah 01:18:10 well it’s that’s true yeah in uh Matthew 01:18:13 24 dealing about the end times he says 01:18:17 people’s hearts will go cold because 01:18:19 they will reject Torah yeah yep um yeah 01:18:25 I know in in in uh Christian 01:18:27 translations it’s law but it’s Torah 01:18:30 right yeah so yeah and so this is all 01:18:33 this is all I’m going to say about the 01:18:34 Misfits is it’s here they’re actually 01:18:37 you there’s a reason why they use that 01:18:39 word it’s and it’s really 01:18:42 Insidious oh yeah it’s Lawless well yeah 01:18:46 and the facts of they’re they they’re 01:18:49 also taking the idea of the peculiar 01:18:52 people and they’re twisting it they are 01:18:55 doing that too uh yeah because I can see 01:18:58 that I I can see that yeah yeah I can 01:19:01 see this is a serious twisting of the 01:19:04 scriptural principle of Being A peculiar 01:19:05 and a holy people to being a pack of 01:19:08 Misfits yeah but but if you go but if 01:19:12 you go to the next line these liars and 01:19:14 these thieves there’s no one on welcome 01:19:16 here oh well hold on real quick let me 01:19:18 just focus a little more on the pecul 01:19:20 the reason they’re yahweh’s people are 01:19:22 peculiar is because they’re doing things 01:19:24 different than the 01:19:26 world 01:19:28 right as in they’re doing it his way and 01:19:32 not everybody else’s and their or maybe 01:19:35 even their own way right 01:19:38 yeah anyways okay sorry let’s go back to 01:19:41 the liars and thieves thieves there’s no 01:19:43 one unwelcome here well that’s just not 01:19:47 true right well first of all uh 01:19:51 Revelation brings out how Liars are not 01:19:54 wel welome in the Kingdom of Heaven it 01:19:56 specifically States Liars are not 01:19:59 welcome there I will state 01:20:05 unequivocally that when I found 01:20:07 Yeshua there was still a lot of the liar 01:20:10 in 01:20:14 me sure sure so but I think you were 01:20:17 repentant and this go I I was ashamed of 01:20:20 my lies but I still engaged in them 01:20:25 now um so this is how I would uh you 01:20:29 were 01:20:30 Justified um so um when we have the 01:20:35 desire to repent we show that desire by 01:20:40 water baptism to the whole world and way 01:20:44 it is so decoration that we’re going to 01:20:47 follow Yeshua Is Not A Private Matter it 01:20:52 has to be public 01:20:55 is partly why there’s baptism and 01:20:57 there’s more to it than just that but 01:20:59 we’ll just stay there okay right and 01:21:02 then after water baptism if it if you 01:21:05 were sincere in wanting to go to him a 01:21:10 which includes changing your ways AKA 01:21:17 repent he will bring you the kingdom now 01:21:21 uh you uh it’s typical 01:21:25 and I would probably say most people 01:21:27 including myself um didn’t break or stop 01:21:33 100% sinning at that time now but there 01:21:37 is on sermon on Torah to be ye there for 01:21:41 keep all of Torah oh I mean it actually 01:21:44 literally says Be You perfect but you go 01:21:47 read the Old Testament it tells you what 01:21:50 perfect is it’s Torah that’s translated 01:21:55 Thy Thy law is perfect correct right so 01:21:59 that’s probably a better statement is 01:22:01 that’s why I expounded it that 01:22:04 way it there is a commandment to keep 01:22:06 all of God’s or I elohim’s Torah and 01:22:11 it’s on sermon on Torah AKA about right 01:22:16 and so my my point is is that just 01:22:19 because you’re not 100% right now uh 01:22:24 just because you still have some lies 01:22:26 that you don’t know are lies and you 01:22:28 keep telling those 01:22:30 lies this gets in the technicality what 01:22:33 a lie is you can only lie if you know 01:22:37 you’re not telling the truth right okay 01:22:41 so yeah but it so the so you can have 01:22:44 Mis okay in being saved is despite what 01:22:49 Christian denominations do saying that 01:22:51 you’re damned unless you believe I way I 01:22:54 believe even though I’m a new convert 01:22:56 and I don’t believe the way that you do 01:22:58 on everything right but Salvation is not 01:23:02 dependent upon correct belief right 01:23:05 salvation is dependent upon faith in 01:23:09 Yeshua Faithfully walked 01:23:12 out correct and it will take 01:23:17 time to 01:23:19 unlearn what are actually lies not 01:23:21 there’s a difference between a lie and 01:23:23 someone liying 01:23:25 right right someone can repeat a lie 01:23:28 thinking it’s true and not lie right you 01:23:32 have to know it’s not true and say or um 01:23:37 let me say it better way you have to 01:23:38 know you’re not telling the truth to lie 01:23:41 right right you otherwise you’re just 01:23:44 telling 01:23:44 untruth right and so I guess that was 01:23:47 more to the point after I found Yeshua 01:23:50 it was more that I kept repeating on 01:23:52 truths um and until I learned otherwise 01:23:56 right right now okay so and there’s also 01:24:00 the there’s a little Nuance in the 01:24:02 little lie thing um but 01:24:09 it because it there’s the three glories 01:24:12 um right and then also um because 01:24:16 ultimately going around believing that 01:24:20 and and teaching that the law is done 01:24:22 away with is actually address because 01:24:25 that is a lie and you’re telling and now 01:24:27 this is a question do you know it’s a 01:24:29 lie or think it’s a lie or 01:24:32 but is addressed in sermon on Torah in 01:24:35 Matthew 5 that you’ll be the least if 01:24:39 you do that or okay so there is a jst so 01:24:43 since I bring it up I do believe the 01:24:45 reason 01:24:46 why um the jst takes away the least part 01:24:51 is because um 01:24:55 in the testro glory it’s like stars 01:24:58 there’s multiples and then uh glories of 01:25:01 your own but then there’s also the tur 01:25:03 estral which is like the moon so 01:25:05 depending what some of the specifics 01:25:07 that I don’t we’d have to get into it 01:25:11 it’s not worth it you could go to one or 01:25:12 the other okay uh right okay right so I 01:25:16 do think that’s why the Lesser was 01:25:18 removed but the greater or greatest is 01:25:22 still there showing there are degrees 01:25:24 okay right right 01:25:26 right and it’s based on how well you 01:25:29 it’s based on your faith and it’s based 01:25:31 on your faith in Christ and how well 01:25:33 that is walked out in your life as you 01:25:36 keep Torah as in uh trust and diligence 01:25:40 which 01:25:41 is 01:25:43 face sorry I 01:25:46 sayh okay all right so there are people 01:25:50 unwelcome in heaven yes there’s there’s 01:25:53 no one unwelcome yeah no actually um 01:25:58 that’s straight on truth that’s a 01:26:00 straight on Truth oh yeah the Gates of 01:26:02 Heaven where Yeshua stands not Peter 01:26:05 Yeshua 01:26:06 stands uh because Yeshua cannot be 01:26:09 deceived um he has the strictest 01:26:12 requirements than anybody and guess what 01:26:15 he doesn’t budge on it and here’s the 01:26:17 other 01:26:19 thing um if no 01:26:23 one’s is 01:26:25 the even at the table of uh even at the 01:26:29 table of 01:26:31 Salvation even at the table of 01:26:34 prayer there are those who are unwelcome 01:26:36 because the prayer of the the he who he 01:26:39 who turns his ear away from the law his 01:26:42 prayer is an Abomination unto me sayith 01:26:44 the Lord yeah Psalms or Proverbs I 01:26:47 forget which one but anyways 01:26:49 yes um yeah yeah and there’s many others 01:26:53 that go along that idea also um but yeah 01:26:58 there there are people unwelcome it’s 01:27:00 the 01:27:01 unrepentant so there’s a slight 01:27:04 difference here everyone is invited and 01:27:08 even commanded to 01:27:10 repent 01:27:12 right which then if it’s 01:27:16 sincere and coming to 01:27:18 Yeshua you are welcomed then yes no past 01:27:24 sin will keep you from 01:27:28 heaven but an unrepentant heart will yes 01:27:33 yes yes so 100% yeah mov on they’re 01:27:38 they’re twisting things but anyways oh 01:27:40 yeah big time oh big 01:27:43 time okay here and that sin okay and 01:27:48 shame that brought you with you okay so 01:27:52 let’s look at this is a technicality 01:27:54 with this word shame but it’s a big deal 01:27:57 shame goes along with the Tulip that Ben 01:28:00 was bringing out you’re totally dep 01:28:02 shame is that you’re just a horrible 01:28:05 person that’s you have no hope and 01:28:08 there’s no hope for you right that’s 01:28:10 that that that’s a complete 01:28:13 lie uh that’s a lie from the pit of Hell 01:28:18 correct you are a person who then sinned 01:28:22 now guilt is is true guilt is designed 01:28:26 to get you to want to repent okay right 01:28:30 here’s thing here’s the thing if you 01:28:32 think that you’re at the TA at the 01:28:34 Salvation table and you’re still feeling 01:28:37 shame I wouldn’t say shame you’re still 01:28:39 feeling guilt no if I would I said what 01:28:43 I said for a reason okay because I’m not 01:28:46 actually trying to say that you should 01:28:48 be feeling shame okay okay if you think 01:28:52 that you are at the Salvation table and 01:28:54 you’re still feeling shame that’s 01:28:57 something that you need to look at well 01:29:00 it also if you still feel guilty or 01:29:03 shame because I do think I see what 01:29:04 Ben’s trying to say now sorry about that 01:29:07 um it means 01:29:09 you haven’t really come to Yeshua 01:29:12 because the point of Yeshua is he wants 01:29:16 to give you 01:29:18 Joy he wants to give you he wants to 01:29:21 give you rest and rest from what rest 01:29:24 from that guilt that burden that sin 01:29:27 that you 01:29:29 carried now you let go yeah you need to 01:29:32 let go instant of forgiveness there is 01:29:35 no more shame there is nothing that 01:29:39 anybody can say that will cause you to 01:29:41 feel shame for your past because Yeshua 01:29:46 has taken it upon himself the scapegoat 01:29:50 has your sin and is taking it out into 01:29:53 the wilderness 01:29:54 corre or or guilt right as in right 01:29:57 right either been saying shame now but 01:30:01 um 01:30:02 yeah anyways um but yeah if you feel 01:30:06 shame or Gil you haven’t I’m I know this 01:30:09 going to sound horrible but it’s true 01:30:12 you haven’t come to Yeshua Yeshua gives 01:30:15 joy and peace yeah yes he does so if 01:30:20 you’re wallow wallowing and you’re 01:30:24 guilt I I’m sorry you haven’t repented 01:30:27 and you haven’t come to Yeshua and I can 01:30:31 I can 01:30:32 testify that 01:30:34 you I personally have never felt so much 01:30:40 peace in my 01:30:43 life as I have since 01:30:46 I’ve turned to 01:30:49 Torah turned to Yeshua and turned away 01:30:54 from my 01:30:56 sins you mean the past ones aren’t like 01:30:59 pulling you down all the time no no not 01:31:03 at all you don’t have to live there in 01:31:05 fact I don’t even really I mean I don’t 01:31:08 even really think about them you know 01:31:11 it’s like maybe you’re a new creature or 01:31:14 born again uh or 01:31:19 yes 01:31:21 yeah yeah and you know 01:31:25 if you can’t there’s this myth that you 01:31:29 have to be able to cite the date that 01:31:31 you were born again in order to have 01:31:33 been and born 01:31:36 again no yeah yeah which is not biblical 01:31:40 by the way but 01:31:41 anyways well there’s a lot of things in 01:31:44 there’s a lot of things in modern in 01:31:46 modern Christian practice along those 01:31:48 lines there’s something where you just 01:31:50 have to say this prayer no 01:31:54 that’s a work we’re not saved by our 01:31:57 works we’re saved by coming to him and 01:32:01 wanting to be like him AKA wanting to 01:32:04 repent well I I I find it interesting 01:32:08 that a lot of the people who posit the 01:32:09 siners prayer are also those who who 01:32:12 believe in 01:32:15 solop uh right and there’s no scripture 01:32:18 that states that so you have a problem 01:32:21 there’s no there’s no scripture that 01:32:22 states the sinner’s prayer 01:32:24 right or that you need to say a 01:32:27 prayer and there’s also no scripture 01:32:29 that said there’s also no scripture that 01:32:31 says that that that really State the 01:32:35 overall message the over there are 01:32:38 scriptures that say that we are saved by 01:32:39 faith alone but the overarching message 01:32:42 of the scriptures is that we’re saved 01:32:45 through we’re saved through faith and 01:32:48 we’re rewarded according to how we walk 01:32:52 out our faith right I think some of this 01:32:54 is translation issues but anyways um 01:33:00 right 01:33:02 so the desire to repent is not a 01:33:07 work yeah you haven’t done 01:33:10 anything y we’re not saved by our works 01:33:14 we’re 01:33:15 saved by coming to Yeshua with the 01:33:18 correct desires right correct yes so 01:33:22 that’s so and so okay so let’s get back 01:33:25 to the lyrics here okay okay so that was 01:33:28 all about the shame stuff okay you can 01:33:31 leave it at the door okay well I we just 01:33:34 kind of went over some of that yeah yeah 01:33:36 we did we did and let Mercy problem the 01:33:40 problem with this idea of leaving your 01:33:41 shame at the door that means that when 01:33:43 you walk back out the door you’re going 01:33:44 to pick it back up again right well but 01:33:47 I think more what this what I would get 01:33:49 at is this uh you’re Justified but then 01:33:52 you still after the Euphoria of two 01:33:55 weeks or whatever it is for people I I 01:33:58 just gave a number um right your old 01:34:02 habitual sins come back and you have to 01:34:05 work through it you didn’t just leave it 01:34:07 behind yeah leave it at the door it it’s 01:34:11 I do know I do remember that when I was 01:34:13 involved with the um with the when I was 01:34:17 involved with the doctrine of Christ and 01:34:19 Doctrine and followers of Christ groups 01:34:22 one of these common refrain that they 01:34:24 gave in their testimonies as how they 01:34:25 had lost the desire for all sin and then 01:34:28 you would see them sinning but still 01:34:31 um well so this is where there’s 01:34:35 justification and sanctification 01:34:37 sanctification actually happens when 01:34:40 you’re actually 01:34:42 keeping 01:34:44 Torah the best you know how to so it so 01:34:48 so it is very possible that they lost 01:34:49 the desire for sin for a moment oh yeah 01:34:52 yeah because that that that actually 01:34:54 does happen with justification it really 01:34:55 does it does it yes lose the desire for 01:34:59 sin the real world and not having 01:35:03 um your bad habits come back after a 01:35:06 while so this is then where you have to 01:35:08 start really honoring that promise that 01:35:10 you did a public witness of to repent 01:35:15 you have to actually start working at it 01:35:16 now right yeah it’s not just about 01:35:20 leaving them at the door uh you know 01:35:23 have to work at it in fact one of my 01:35:26 favorite examples is from The Book of 01:35:27 Mormon is when Nephi prayed to be loosed 01:35:31 from the bounds okay oh yeah yeah yeah 01:35:35 he he he wanted just to burst 01:35:38 it like completely go away no it 01:35:44 wasen and then Nephi had to work his way 01:35:47 out of them correct right so that 01:35:51 justification um is the loosening then 01:35:55 you still have to work it out yes um so 01:36:01 leave it at the door and let Mercy draw 01:36:03 you 01:36:04 near um Mercy doesn’t draw you near you 01:36:08 have to draw near to the yeah you have 01:36:11 so 01:36:12 and so love this goes back to the Tulip 01:36:16 to the Tulip idea the irresistible Grace 01:36:21 yeah it’s your desire that draws you and 01:36:24 your desire to want to be like the 01:36:26 Messiah to get closer to him cuz like we 01:36:30 already kind of bring out the little the 01:36:31 different glories already but yeah 01:36:34 there’ll be people in the Kingdom that 01:36:36 won’t see Yeshua because the Lawless 01:36:38 ones they’re the ones that justified yes 01:36:41 they actually did get Justified but then 01:36:43 they got convinced by lies and maybe 01:36:46 them well whether lies from other people 01:36:48 or themselves or lies from themselves 01:36:50 right yeah um they’ve decided they can 01:36:53 do what the hell they want because 01:36:55 they’re saved 01:36:58 well 01:36:59 yeah yeah I know I well they can because 01:37:03 we have agency but you don’t get to 01:37:06 choose you don’t escape the consequences 01:37:10 right there there is a potential problem 01:37:13 with this because if you continue to go 01:37:16 down that road too far you’re going to 01:37:19 think well there is no law so why do I 01:37:21 need a messiah and now you just lost 01:37:23 your and now you’re pred and now you’re 01:37:25 predition correct right if you don’t 01:37:28 think you need it you’re not under his 01:37:31 covering 01:37:32 anymore you’re not even 01:37:34 close yeah because you have to 01:37:36 acknowledge that you need it right right 01:37:40 that you’re a 01:37:42 sinner and that you 01:37:45 are yeah you’re worthy of 01:37:47 Destruction yeah yeah and when you get 01:37:51 to the point where you think well 01:37:53 there’s just no more law why do I need a 01:37:55 messiah you have lost your 01:37:58 salvation and you gave it away 01:38:00 freely yeah you might have been tricked 01:38:03 into it but you’re still it was your 01:38:05 choice it was your choice yeah it was 01:38:08 your choice yeah um so anyways we got 01:38:11 the chorus again we have the chorus 01:38:14 again I just say it’s 01:38:17 love yeshua’s 01:38:20 love and you showing love that draw 01:38:23 right it’s a it’s a tway street it is a 01:38:29 transactional 01:38:31 relationship yeah yeah 01:38:34 if I know that’s not I know that’s not 01:38:36 lydy and cute yeah if you love me keep 01:38:41 my command oh yeah keep I thought that 01:38:43 was a swear word sorry oh well for a lot 01:38:46 of people it is um 01:38:50 anyway okay so we this moving on yeah 01:38:54 the the those we’ve already been over 01:38:56 that’s a repeat of the same chorus oh 01:38:59 okay here we go here this one’s new the 01:39:01 hero and to the thief and to the doubter 01:39:06 oh okay doubter so uh okay doubter this 01:39:10 part’s new right doubt you don’t 01:39:14 believe 01:39:17 exactly thus you wouldn’t be under his 01:39:20 covering yes well this is I 01:39:24 mean and this and this once again goes 01:39:27 into how one defines doubting honestly 01:39:30 because I think Thomas 01:39:34 doubted uh okay he to a certain degree 01:39:39 he didn’t doubt the Messiah he doubted 01:39:41 some specific things right and so I and 01:39:45 this is where I guess what what are we 01:39:47 doubting so I guess yeah we need to yeah 01:39:49 I that’s why I’m saying that’s ambiguous 01:39:52 is what it is 01:39:53 it’s an ambiguous line the thief and the 01:39:56 doubter yes um if your desire is strong 01:40:00 enough you can overcome your doubts sure 01:40:03 uh but uh doubt in general and this is 01:40:06 where we have to get speit G out this 01:40:08 part or that part or everything but is 01:40:12 the opposite 01:40:16 or part of requirements of Faith a part 01:40:19 of what faith is right right and and 01:40:22 that 01:40:24 trust yeah that I’ll agree with you um 01:40:28 but it in the end but this is why faith 01:40:31 hope and charity are 01:40:34 actually 01:40:36 um intimately tied together yeah well 01:40:39 okay you go uh 01:40:41 hope you hope be because you trust 01:40:45 something right right and charity is 01:40:48 keeping 01:40:50 righteousness so um 01:40:54 it I know this might sound a little 01:40:56 crazy but hope and charity are the two 01:41:00 parts of Faith right so the interest but 01:41:05 the interesting thing 01:41:07 is is that Alma sites even the desire to 01:41:11 believe as a starting point yeah it it’s 01:41:15 the starting point and and that person 01:41:17 that person who only has the desire to 01:41:19 believe still has doubts you have to be 01:41:22 willing 01:41:23 you have to be willing to allow your 01:41:25 doubts to be defeated correct but I I 01:41:28 think doubt of what it would be the 01:41:31 question here I think I well I think I 01:41:35 think that this line in the 01:41:37 song and and and and there’s a whole 01:41:39 bunch of comparisons going on in the in 01:41:41 the success of lines here but that’s too 01:41:44 ambiguous to 01:41:47 really what is the doubt and what are we 01:41:50 doubting we don’t know and and and and 01:41:53 there in Li and there in lies the rub 01:41:55 with this line uh because if you’re 01:41:57 doubting 01:41:58 everything sorry problem that’s a huge 01:42:01 problem right so okay here here’s a 01:42:03 question um on this is where we’d have 01:42:05 to get in some of the real 01:42:07 technicalities but perhaps in some cases 01:42:10 where doubt could be used maybe confused 01:42:13 is better actually yeah I would agree 01:42:18 with that but they didn’t use confused 01:42:20 they used and this this is where we have 01:42:23 to get into some real technicalities and 01:42:25 they’re being really General here so 01:42:29 being they’re being purposefully Vue the 01:42:32 primary one of the primary sins in this 01:42:35 one of the or not sins but mistakes 01:42:38 because non-specificity is not a sin but 01:42:41 um one of the primary mistakes that’s 01:42:44 going on in this song is its lack of 01:42:46 specificity um regarding its references 01:42:51 right right but I do think they are 01:42:52 being deceptive which is a sin yes the 01:42:56 deception oh yeah yeah if the when it’s 01:42:59 deceptively when it when it’s 01:43:01 deceptively General then it’s a 01:43:04 sin right correct and so they’re listen 01:43:07 if it’s I don’t know what the heck I’m 01:43:09 talking 01:43:10 about yeah but I’m just gonna say some 01:43:12 stuff to make it look like I’m smart 01:43:15 right right but I think these guys I 01:43:17 think these guys worded this song The 01:43:19 Way They worded it on 01:43:21 purpose uh considering how consistently 01:43:24 it is throughout this song and 01:43:27 how to write at least one song I agree 01:43:31 the evidence points to it being on 01:43:33 purpose the 01:43:34 evidence um 01:43:37 right but so hero and the coward yeah 01:43:41 that that’s a bad 01:43:42 transcri by the way who depends on 01:43:45 themselves right right the 01:43:48 hero these are all just subjective 01:43:51 judgments but except except that Yeshua 01:43:56 except that y has very unkind words for 01:44:02 cowards uh right right um he does and a 01:44:06 coward is someone who won’t do what is 01:44:09 right in any circumstance um if right 01:44:15 it’s y wants people who are brave that 01:44:20 will do what is right despite what your 01:44:23 spouse says you’re despite what the 01:44:27 physical cost might be right in fact I 01:44:30 am paraphrasing some direct words of 01:44:32 Yeshua with that statement right yeah 01:44:34 you are yes he wants brave because 01:44:38 otherwise he even said it himself you’re 01:44:41 not fit for the 01:44:44 Kingdom Period direct contradiction 01:44:47 within the lyrics of this song of coward 01:44:52 these guys 01:44:57 um either they’re is which I don’t 01:44:59 believe they are no I don’t believe that 01:45:02 for a second I do believe they’ve read 01:45:04 the New Testament they just haven’t 01:45:06 written it on their 01:45:07 heart they they they have written it the 01:45:12 opposite on their heart and they’re 01:45:14 trying to get people to do the opposite 01:45:17 I’m going to say something I’m going to 01:45:18 say something that may seem a little 01:45:21 judgment the lyrics of this song are 01:45:24 written by 01:45:25 cowards oh yeah 01:45:28 um and and and I think one way to prove 01:45:33 that is they’re they’re not brave enough 01:45:35 to come out and say what they believe 01:45:37 not not only are that but they’re not 01:45:39 brave but but what they’re saying is 01:45:42 that all these people who are doing all 01:45:44 these terrible things will get you know 01:45:47 they’re afraid to actually stand up for 01:45:50 what’s right and to say guess what if 01:45:53 you don’t do if you don’t do right you 01:45:56 won’t be 01:45:58 saved well okay so I do hear what you’re 01:46:00 saying but my impression of these guys 01:46:03 is they don’t want people to do 01:46:06 right I’m in to agree but my point is 01:46:10 simply but my point is simply even from 01:46:13 the best case scenario I’m I’m try yeah 01:46:16 for from the best case they should stand 01:46:18 up and say right okay yeah do what is 01:46:23 SC I 01:46:25 agree because I know that in this group 01:46:29 I’ve often been said it’s often been 01:46:32 said that I don’t give people the 01:46:33 benefit of the doubt oh yeah yeah I I I 01:46:35 agree and I I do think it’s good that 01:46:37 you’re giving the benefit of the doubt 01:46:38 here uh but I do think there’s enough 01:46:41 evidence that they don’t deserve it but 01:46:43 either in the case that I bring out or 01:46:47 the case that Ben brings out they’re 01:46:48 both cowards in either case either or 01:46:51 there it’s cowards 01:46:54 yeah yeah so to the prisoner and the 01:46:58 soldier Okay number one if you if you’ve 01:47:01 been redeemed are you a prisoner well I 01:47:04 think they mean like civil prisoner here 01:47:07 okay okay okay yeah yeah um I could be 01:47:10 wrong but I’m inclined to think civil 01:47:11 prisoner and yeah the the the prison 01:47:16 system is way messed up but that’s a 01:47:18 whole another 01:47:19 discussion and our military is way 01:47:21 messed up too but anyways um and I think 01:47:24 the scriptural way to say this is the 01:47:26 bond not 01:47:27 prisoner right prisoners going off of 01:47:30 incorrect judicial system that we have 01:47:33 nowadays and the bond have to do with 01:47:36 those who are in debt trying to pay 01:47:38 things back but anyways yeah as in real 01:47:43 repentance trying to get pay it back man 01:47:46 imagine that yeah you know if we want 01:47:49 things restored to us we need to restore 01:47:51 what we’ve taken 01:47:53 uh 01:47:54 correct and um just FYI if you took 01:47:58 things on purpose you need to give back 01:48:00 more than what you took boom yes that’s 01:48:04 that’s true as it because it’s paying 01:48:06 back for what you took and then paying 01:48:09 back for your bad intentions there’s the 01:48:12 you 01:48:13 see the classic understanding of eye for 01:48:16 eye is just about taking 01:48:18 retribution uh for what people did to 01:48:21 you but the understanding of eye for eye 01:48:24 is that or or Ste pointed out before 01:48:28 desire for desire but desire for desire 01:48:33 and 01:48:35 restoration of that which you have given 01:48:38 out correct so okay so on the eye for 01:48:42 eye on a restoration if you took 01:48:44 someone’s eyes you need to give them a 01:48:46 ien 01:48:48 dog or you always are with them yourself 01:48:51 right the be their eyes you help them by 01:48:55 being their eyes right yeah right it’s 01:48:57 not about taking the eye their eye back 01:49:00 it’s about replacing the eye not taking 01:49:04 an eye right oh you took out his eye 01:49:09 well we’re gonna take yours out 01:49:11 now the and it’s the it’s the false idea 01:49:15 of eye for eye that Yeshua preaches 01:49:18 against in the sermon on Torah right um 01:49:21 it’s about restitution 01:49:23 not Revenge throughout the Torah and 01:49:28 gospels it’s about restit and Paul’s 01:49:31 letter is New Testament it’s 01:49:33 about not Revenge because what does y 01:49:36 say vengeance is m m yeah about 01:49:42 vengeance right now I if you want to 01:49:46 proof text these things out of out of 01:49:49 context of everything else Yahweh said 01:49:51 yeah I can see how you can take it for 01:49:53 Revenge but it’s 01:49:56 not doing that you’re not living by all 01:50:00 of yahweh’s words you’re only by uh in 01:50:06 fact you’re only living by a Mis 01:50:08 understood portioned oh so can you say 01:50:13 telestial well I I think if you want 01:50:15 revenge you might even be you might be 01:50:17 less than that but anyways that those 01:50:20 are different um right right and yeah so 01:50:26 to the young and to the 01:50:28 older okay okay that’s fine um he’s just 01:50:32 trying to spread this all-inclusive net 01:50:34 let’s bring in the 01:50:36 lgbtq plus all those other people too 01:50:40 alphabet alphabet suit folks yeah yeah 01:50:44 uh and although he’s not saying it there 01:50:48 the pedos but anyways we’ll yeah yep yep 01:50:51 get into that 01:50:53 uh so uh hunger all who 01:50:56 thirsts okay yeah and we’ve talked about 01:50:58 the hunger and thirsting right and so we 01:51:00 don’t need to go the the first and the 01:51:05 poor and all the last yeah or all the 01:51:09 last what like The Sermon on the Mount 01:51:12 and the Beatitudes it’s not physical 01:51:15 poor that’s talking about there right Po 01:51:18 in 01:51:20 part so thing is when he’s when 01:51:25 Yeshua when yaha talks about the first 01:51:28 being last and the last being first he’s 01:51:31 not talking about the rich becoming poor 01:51:33 and the poor becoming rich he’s not 01:51:35 talking about income redistribution 01:51:37 people uh no that has to do with the 01:51:41 order that things go to people not that 01:51:47 yeah he’s not talking about income 01:51:49 redistribution you all use stupid social 01:51:51 justice words 01:51:53 a man no um no I I just along those 01:51:58 lines there are a lot of wicked rich 01:52:00 people but there’s a lot of wicked poor 01:52:04 people so um right it’s it goes both 01:52:07 ways wickedness does not know social 01:52:11 class boundaries no it does not 01:52:15 no um yeah and there’s wickedness in 01:52:19 blue collar and there’s wickedness in 01:52:21 White Collar um there’s just there’s 01:52:23 just wickedness period yes yeah there’s 01:52:25 wickedness everywhere in fact uh King 01:52:29 Benjamin said he couldn’t enumerate all 01:52:32 the ways that we could be Wicked because 01:52:34 there’s a lot of variations and and that 01:52:37 goes along how it’s 01:52:41 wide way devil the way of the devil is 01:52:44 wide and it’s all inclusive just like 01:52:46 the 01:52:47 song uh yes 01:52:49 amen and we’re seeing this right now 01:52:52 look at look at this list look at this 01:52:54 list 01:52:56 um forgive all 01:52:59 who 01:53:03 okay right all who 01:53:06 fail you have you’ve been 01:53:10 forgiven just because you failed doesn’t 01:53:12 mean you’ve been forgiven it’s the 01:53:14 repentant who come unto Yeshua who are 01:53:17 forgiven right there’s this qualifier 01:53:21 and and also 01:53:24 fail is a little bit more like a mistake 01:53:28 okay right right and the other fail at 01:53:32 my work that doesn’t mean I’m a sinner 01:53:35 it means I made a mistake or I didn’t 01:53:37 figure something out or you didn’t or 01:53:39 you didn’t meet a deadline or you 01:53:41 something 01:53:43 right for instance yeah or say I 01:53:48 uh now if you’re looking at failure on a 01:53:52 a spiritual 01:53:54 level and if you’re not dead yet you 01:53:58 can’t say you 01:54:00 failed oh on spiritual level because you 01:54:03 can repent until you die right right you 01:54:07 die this is a very satanic understanding 01:54:11 of fail they want you to feel they want 01:54:13 you to feel like if you’ve ever sinned 01:54:15 you failed right so now here here’s just 01:54:18 on you you can repent up to the time you 01:54:21 die there’s a very famous example that 01:54:24 gets twisted but I’m just going to still 01:54:27 say it with that caveat the thief on the 01:54:30 cross he 01:54:32 repented and he went Paradise so and and 01:54:36 he was told yeah and he was told I 01:54:38 accept your repentance basically that’s 01:54:40 what yes see you in Paradise accepted 01:54:43 the repentance now I’m not going to get 01:54:45 in all the details but just on the point 01:54:48 that you can repent until you die 01:54:50 there’s a very famous example of it 01:54:52 okay right on the 01:54:54 cross so fail so if you’re talking about 01:54:58 spiritual failure are you dead 01:55:02 yet uh I’m gonna specify physically dead 01:55:05 because there’s yeah are you physically 01:55:07 dead yeah are you physically dead I mean 01:55:10 the lyrics of this sound pretty brain 01:55:12 dead but they 01:55:16 um but the uh but I don’t think the 01:55:19 guy’s physically dead he’d be he’d have 01:55:21 a hard time singing the song 01:55:25 yeah well anyways we’re not going to go 01:55:27 down that road but anyways um all who 01:55:30 dream and all who 01:55:32 suffer oh okay 01:55:34 so that dreaming okay the dreaming could 01:55:37 be have hope okay right I that but 01:55:41 suffer this could be also where earlier 01:55:44 they were connecting uh with the 01:55:47 Ascension with descension y y y y y yep 01:55:52 again it’s the descending to 01:55:54 ascend yeah and that’s just wrong um 01:55:58 that’s satanic just yep yeah it’s that 01:56:01 same it’s that same thing that causes 01:56:06 uh that causes people who are in satanic 01:56:11 Cults to kill children because they’re 01:56:14 going down they’re descending that they 01:56:17 may 01:56:18 Ascend yeah that’s that’s horrible okay 01:56:21 I want go down that rabbit hole 01:56:25 yeah yes I do agree with B I just don’t 01:56:27 want to get into it 01:56:32 umor this is not for children all who 01:56:35 have loved and lost another uh okay I 01:56:41 what does that even mean I think that’s 01:56:42 a honestly I think that’s a filler 01:56:44 phrase to be honest with you but what I 01:56:47 think he’s getting at is 01:56:50 that the atonement is isn’t just for our 01:56:53 sin is this idea that the atonement is 01:56:55 not just for our sins it’s also for the 01:56:59 tragedies of Our 01:57:02 Lives okay so that actually because he 01:57:05 does say he’ll take away our sorrows and 01:57:07 he’s spilled our even our sicknesses so 01:57:09 that if that’s what he’s getting at okay 01:57:12 I I can get behind that that’s actually 01:57:14 scriptural right okay yeah so yeah the 01:57:17 atonement doesn’t just take away our 01:57:18 sins it 01:57:19 also in the end I mean yes we’ll 01:57:23 probably have to deal with um we’ll 01:57:26 probably have to deal with we have to 01:57:28 deal with missing our loved ones it’s 01:57:30 just right but it does make it 01:57:33 all right as in better right right yeah 01:57:38 yeah yeah in the end yes in the end and 01:57:42 so but yes and I I do see Ben’s point 01:57:46 there right okay all right all that are 01:57:49 chained is so bound and all and all the 01:57:52 free so that would be this uh bound or 01:57:55 slaves and free but we’ve already kind 01:57:57 of gone over that before we’ve done that 01:57:59 already yeah yeah we’ve gone through 01:58:01 that U all who follow all who lead okay 01:58:05 uh follow well okay follow what that’s 01:58:09 his 01:58:11 world and what are you and and and the 01:58:13 same with the lead what are you leading 01:58:16 yeah generic it’s so all inclusive it’s 01:58:21 so woke yeah 01:58:24 yeah uh Yeshua is not all inclusive you 01:58:29 need to come under to accept 01:58:33 him literally have to accept him and 01:58:39 repent honestly sincerely repent to just 01:58:43 and your desire for relevance does not 01:58:45 equal a calling to lead right uh yeah 01:58:50 correct but I also say this does 01:58:55 exclude uh Eastern people who follow 01:58:58 Eastern religions because or or even 01:59:02 Islam and stuff who reject 01:59:04 Yeshua reject 01:59:07 Yeshua you’re you’re you’re missing the 01:59:11 first and foremost and most important 01:59:15 thing right right you can I don’t know 01:59:19 them I know about myself I have sinned 01:59:22 though if I believe the scriptures all 01:59:24 have sinned except Yeshua and and you 01:59:27 can still live a very moral life and 01:59:29 still not sin well yeah but uh if you’ve 01:59:33 sinned you 01:59:34 deserve death destruction I mean you 01:59:36 deserve 01:59:38 destruction I’m not I’m not contesting 01:59:40 that in fact what I’m saying is exactly 01:59:43 that is you can still live a very moral 01:59:45 life and not be 01:59:47 saved um and then I was more trying to 01:59:50 support but maybe I didn’t come say it 01:59:52 okay okay so yeah yeah yeah so moving on 01:59:57 all who follow all who lead anyone who’s 01:59:59 been LED 02:00:01 down okay all the lost well okay you 02:00:04 can’t still be lost right right you you 02:00:09 have to find all the lost you have been 02:00:12 F 02:00:13 so like the Eastern religions you’re 02:00:15 lost because you’re not even accepting 02:00:17 him so no you’re you’re you’re not he 02:00:20 does say he does add the caveat who have 02:00:22 been found right that’s the whole idea 02:00:25 there all the lost you have been found 02:00:28 well okay so if you were one now found 02:00:31 I’m I’m okay with that right but that’s 02:00:32 still kind of a generic phrase It’s not 02:00:36 the lack of specificity the lack of 02:00:38 specificity here is just killing me well 02:00:42 and this is where I think Ben statement 02:00:43 about that he’s just being all inclusive 02:00:45 as like really correct right he’s he’s 02:00:47 like an alphabet sup Maestro yeah you’ve 02:00:51 been labeled right orong so you you 02:00:53 weren’t right or wrong you just labeled 02:00:55 so okay he’s just being inclusive right 02:00:59 uh everyone who hears this s s and then 02:01:03 go you hear this song you’re saved yeah 02:01:06 that’s you realize what he just said he 02:01:09 just said he has the power to save you 02:01:12 yeah yeah I mean people will say that 02:01:15 we’re going too far but no that’s 02:01:18 actually what he’s saying he’s saying he 02:01:19 saved you by having you listen to the 02:01:21 song 02:01:22 so here’s so here’s the I mean and this 02:01:25 is um this is actually a common belief 02:01:29 among people of it’s It’s a belief 02:01:33 pattern called The Word of 02:01:36 Faith yeah and wherein they speak the 02:01:40 word and it is 02:01:42 so yeah yeah it’s called the new ace 02:01:46 they call and a 02:01:48 cult that’s new thought that’s not new a 02:01:52 that’s new well no new age calls it 02:01:55 manifestation well yeah New 02:01:59 Age the but and it’s a really it’s a 02:02:05 really narrow it’s a really thin line 02:02:07 between New Age and new thought well 02:02:10 yeah and then a cult there’s a thin line 02:02:13 too but anyways yeah so it’s a lot of 02:02:16 these things overlap and kind of blend 02:02:19 with each other on the D yeah 02:02:22 is a change there is a change to the 02:02:25 chorus actually on this last line come 02:02:29 to the table join the Sinners you have 02:02:32 been redeemed because you’ve listened to 02:02:34 this song you have been redeemed that 02:02:36 was like you’ve been redeemed going 02:02:37 along how they saved you yeah and they 02:02:40 because they spoke the word of faith 02:02:41 over you you have been redeemed yeah 02:02:44 which is wrong they can that’s they’re 02:02:47 claiming they can save you right which 02:02:51 tell tells me everything I need to know 02:02:54 about this song right there they are 02:02:56 deceivers they are 02:02:59 liars they have written this song the 02:03:01 way they wrote it on purpose they are 02:03:04 cowards and I hope they repent I I I 02:03:09 agree I I agree with you on principle 02:03:12 but on a on in a way to try to uh to 02:03:19 just I would say 02:03:22 that at the very 02:03:26 least they’re 02:03:29 parody uh yeah so I agree with Ben here 02:03:33 and Ben I do think it’s good but 02:03:35 um do 02:03:37 they are they repeating a lie or do they 02:03:42 really know and at the very least 02:03:44 they’re paring 02:03:47 blasphemy correct so um 02:03:51 okay all right seees Ben has a good 02:03:54 point here no matter their motives they 02:03:56 are teaching 02:03:59 blasphemy and if people buy into this as 02:04:03 they 02:04:04 have um they will go to 02:04:08 hell well and and and and with the six 02:04:12 and a half million views that this music 02:04:14 video has already 02:04:15 had right there’s a lot of people buying 02:04:18 it oh yeah because I’m sure a lot of 02:04:20 those are repeats 02:04:22 so right well because this kind of a 02:04:25 message makes you feel good about 02:04:27 yourself where you are it tickles those 02:04:31 ears baby oh yeah I mean I I am I like 02:04:34 The BFG right wa well and this is and 02:04:39 this is why and this is why we have to 02:04:42 be 02:04:43 careful 02:04:45 um in what we listen to in what we take 02:04:50 in um 02:04:53 we are what we eat if you keep listening 02:04:55 to this it will change you for the worse 02:04:58 right right 02:05:01 yeah 02:05:03 so all right you know I don’t 02:05:07 believe in like some people say this is 02:05:10 a spell you’re you’re damned to hell if 02:05:12 you listen to it that’s oh yeah I 02:05:15 actually I do believe that’s denying 02:05:17 yeshua’s power and atonement well yeah 02:05:21 AG 02:05:22 it’s giving power to Satan that he and 02:05:25 his dominions that they don’t have what 02:05:30 is 02:05:31 greater power of the 02:05:33 devil or the power of the one who cast 02:05:36 him from Heaven oh I I know I 02:05:40 know hey kid in the back of the room go 02:05:42 ahead answer oh Yeshua oh okay all right 02:05:46 there you go 02:05:48 boom yeah and yeah so that that’s the 02:05:52 main that’s the main thing people uh 02:05:56 just because somebody has the desire to 02:05:59 cast the spell on you you have to buy 02:06:01 into that yeah and this is spoken by 02:06:04 somebody this is spoken by somebody 02:06:06 who’s been there done that I was a 02:06:10 wicked evil sinner who did those kinds 02:06:13 of 02:06:15 things but you have to buy into that you 02:06:19 have to buy it which if you buy that 02:06:23 garbage it means you’re not trusting 02:06:26 yeshua’s word to be honest yeah and I’m 02:06:28 calling out some YouTube preachers out 02:06:31 there 02:06:33 um and I’ll I’ll say one in particular 02:06:35 truth 02:06:38 unedited if you are living in Torah if 02:06:42 you are living in the mind and will of 02:06:44 ywa you will not I repeat you will not 02:06:51 not be subject to the blandishments of 02:06:54 the oh yeah and uh in the New Testament 02:06:57 and DNC and other places we are told to 02:07:01 expose wickedness if we don’t know what 02:07:04 that wickedness is or if we’re 02:07:07 mischaracterizing that wickedness and uh 02:07:10 truth unedited is a liar in that they 02:07:13 State they watch these movies to call 02:07:15 them out without listening to them 02:07:17 that’s [ ] you can’t call out a
02:07:20 movie that you don’t hear you could get
02:07:22 some stuff from the video only but not
02:07:25 enough to authoritatively say things as
02:07:29 he thinks he
02:07:30 is right right no you have to listen to
02:07:34 the words
02:07:37 and those those who encourage I
02:07:41 I those who encourage
02:07:43 humility should practice some themselves
02:07:47 oh yeah um yeah
02:07:52 yes and and actually trust the word of
02:07:55 Yahweh and know that he’s more powerful
02:07:59 than Satan I mean if he wasn’t more
02:08:02 powerful how did he kick him out
02:08:04 honestly I would like to know that uh
02:08:07 yeah did he trick him no if he’s not so
02:08:11 powerful um why do you believe in
02:08:14 Revelation other scripture how it brings
02:08:16 out how Yeshua was already
02:08:18 won right anyways well it’s a matter of
02:08:22 convenience Stephen it’s a matter of
02:08:24 convenience I would suggest that so I
02:08:27 would
02:08:28 suggest that we
02:08:33 um we need to
02:08:36 uh while we while we may believe while
02:08:39 we have received some understanding of
02:08:41 the word we need to be humble and
02:08:43 realize that we don’t know everything
02:08:46 yet oh no no we still need and you can
02:08:50 ask the guy
02:08:52 I
02:08:53 keep this goes for this goes for
02:08:57 anybody uh be a uh be they a YouTube
02:09:01 preacher or you
02:09:03 know I don’t someone who likes this song
02:09:07 right or somebody who likes this song or
02:09:11 even me us we still need to keep
02:09:13 learning and growing and keep learning
02:09:16 and growing if I am in error on these
02:09:21 things
02:09:24 I want to know but I’m not going to be
02:09:26 convinced because you uh show me an
02:09:29 opinion and a few along with a few
02:09:33 sources I need to see comprehensive
02:09:35 Source work from both sides of the
02:09:38 argument well I I I
02:09:41 I okay so there’s a place for seeing
02:09:44 both sides but on this on what we’re
02:09:46 calling out I actually want to see how
02:09:48 I’m wrong from the scriptures yeah I
02:09:50 want to see this scpt I want to see it
02:09:52 in the scriptures no the scripture there
02:09:54 are some things like the the like the
02:09:56 motivation of the name okay so that we
02:09:59 we I could
02:10:00 see sources from both sides or or or
02:10:03 just them talking but not like um not
02:10:08 not not
02:10:09 the that have been and and the the whole
02:10:13 thing is is that many of the scriptures
02:10:15 which actually talk about us having to
02:10:18 um many of the scriptures that are are
02:10:21 often interpreted as spiritual warfare
02:10:27 scriptures are actually
02:10:30 mischaracterized yeah the war is here
02:10:32 right now the war is on the earth yeah
02:10:35 yeah it moved from Heaven to here those
02:10:38 principalities PR the word
02:10:40 principalities the Greek word that’s
02:10:42 used for principalities does not
02:10:44 indicate
02:10:48 demons it indicates Kingdom of the earth
02:10:52 correct no I I I
02:10:55 just um the kingdom the leaders of these
02:10:59 evil kingdoms and whatnot are listening
02:11:01 to
02:11:03 Demons but there is still the technical
02:11:06 definition of that word right yeah right
02:11:10 and so and so when we over when we
02:11:14 hypers spiritualize and we get into
02:11:16 Mystic and we start and we get into
02:11:19 mystical things instead of simply living
02:11:22 a spirit-led
02:11:29 life well then we then we find ourselves
02:11:32 in TR then we you can say all at that
02:11:36 point if you’re not living in
02:11:38 Torah as in spirit is behavior if you’re
02:11:42 not actually behaving correctly if
02:11:45 you’re yes if you’re not living in Torah
02:11:48 you can say all the mighty spiritual
02:11:50 warfare prayers you want one you’re just
02:11:51 fooling yourself you’re still under the
02:11:53 power of demons right that reminds me of
02:11:57 Matthew 7 from sermon on Torah no apart
02:12:01 from me the worst word you could ever
02:12:05 hear from the
02:12:07 Messiah
02:12:09 yeah those who work
02:12:13 lawlessness and yeah so I mean and and
02:12:17 he even cites in that
02:12:19 verse did we not cast out
02:12:22 demons in your name and do all manner of
02:12:25 marvelous Works in of marvelous works in
02:12:27 your name yeah and what will he say to
02:12:30 these people who who
02:12:33 did spiritual warfare did their
02:12:36 spiritual warfare prayers in the name of
02:12:40 Yeshua he’ll say depart from me ye that
02:12:44 work
02:12:46 lawlessness uh you never knew me um
02:12:51 and and and the reason why so okay
02:12:55 that’s the jst you never knew me but I
02:12:57 do think it’s correct here um
02:13:01 because they’re
02:13:03 showing Torah tells us who Yeshua is
02:13:08 right and
02:13:10 um if you’re not trusting it that means
02:13:14 you never knew him understood him you
02:13:18 never trusted him because his power is
02:13:22 in his
02:13:24 honor
02:13:27 yeah so so I guess the long and the
02:13:30 short of it is folks be very careful and
02:13:33 uh I would think twice about listening
02:13:35 to any songs from this group um right
02:13:38 right and then also just when you listen
02:13:39 to any
02:13:41 group
02:13:43 uh don’t just zone out and take it in
02:13:47 think about what they’re saying okay
02:13:51 because a lot of these groups a lot of
02:13:53 these musicians a lot of these
02:13:56 people they’re counting on you zoning
02:13:58 out yeah that’s counting on you not
02:14:01 being
02:14:03 aware I say that because I counted on
02:14:06 people not being aware sure sure right
02:14:09 now you don’t have to go to extreme like
02:14:11 I I find fun to do analyze them to death
02:14:16 as we kind of did here and even just
02:14:18 movies I like to death
02:14:21 I I actually the part of the reason I
02:14:24 like doing it it’s a test of what I can
02:14:27 see and how I how well I know yahweh’s
02:14:31 ways right
02:14:35 right so I I find it a fun game actually
02:14:40 right it’s right so I hope I hope we
02:14:44 were able to help some people see some
02:14:47 some stuff tonight I I hope so I
02:14:49 definitely learned a lot um tonight and
02:14:53 and
02:14:55 um yeah but uh can we pause yeah yeah

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3 Nephi (LDS 23:14) (RLDS 11:1) And now it came to pass that when Jesus had expounded all the scriptures in one, which they had written, he commanded them that they should teach the things which he had expounded unto them.

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