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00:00:00 okay all right it’s recording
00:00:04 so okay uh don’t say anything you don’t
00:00:08 want
00:00:08 the whole world to know
00:00:10 [Laughter]
00:00:12 so anyways um so let’s go look at
00:00:16 i can just uh let me get my notes up so
00:00:18 i was just saying
00:00:20 that i right now i’m
00:00:25 there’s a couple side tracks and and
00:00:28 rock actually gave me some
00:00:29 links on for one of my side tracks at
00:00:31 the end of it
00:00:32 but um right now i’m gonna slide little
00:00:35 sidetracks on
00:00:37 lineage because there’s actually
00:00:40 um because i bring up the um
00:00:44 mighty one because of of
00:00:48 one of the verses in second ephi chapter
00:00:52 three
00:00:53 but then also that’s leading up into
00:00:55 [Music]
00:00:56 um
00:01:02 i sent you some that i saw
00:01:05 yeah yeah i i have the one that you gave
00:01:07 me 35
00:01:09 was it 26 is that the end and i can read
00:01:12 that part to you and
00:01:13 it it makes that verse that you shared
00:01:17 with me
00:01:18 really naturally leads into some other
00:01:21 things that i bring up
00:01:22 too so that was a real good one that you
00:01:25 gave me
00:01:26 uh which i i it naturally leads into
00:01:29 dnc 84 something
00:01:32 right that was the other one condemning
00:01:36 peppering with not remembering the book
00:01:39 of mormon and then i bring up benson and
00:01:41 his talk about the church is still under
00:01:42 condemnation
00:01:44 yeah that’s good and then i’m also
00:01:47 bringing up
00:01:48 um ether 13
00:01:52 that goes along with that because the
00:01:54 one that you brought up was mormon
00:01:56 where he learned that lesson and either
00:01:59 it’s moroni
00:02:00 learning the same lesson and also how
00:02:03 the one in the dnc
00:02:05 was 84 or uh yeah it’s 84
00:02:08 our or the lds number
00:02:11 right uh was given to the church
00:02:15 two only two and a half years after
00:02:18 they received after mormon yep
00:02:22 and after they were organized yeah
00:02:25 yeah it’s but that’s mind-blowing to me
00:02:30 and then in 85
00:02:34 um versus seven he waves
00:02:37 okay let me go get it up
00:02:45 what are his fruits how are you going to
00:02:47 be able to discern
00:02:48 him from anybody else that claims
00:02:50 they’re the mighty one
00:02:52 mighty unstrong one oh sure sure so
00:02:56 i guess this verse is about the mighty
00:02:57 one and it came
00:03:00 and it came to pass that i the lord god
00:03:02 will send
00:03:03 one mighty and strong holding the
00:03:05 scepter of power in his hand
00:03:07 which is talked about in 35 3 i mean
00:03:10 second ephi
00:03:10 iii right closed with light and a
00:03:12 covering
00:03:14 uh and we talked a little bit about that
00:03:17 before the light and the covering
00:03:19 whose mouth shall utter words eternal
00:03:22 words
00:03:23 which reminds me how joseph smith has a
00:03:25 quote about if
00:03:26 the principle is only for temporary it’s
00:03:29 not from god
00:03:30 because god’s principles are eternal
00:03:33 right
00:03:33 right which brings the mind the eternal
00:03:35 world in
00:03:37 eternal words while his
00:03:40 bow shall be fruit
00:03:43 fountain of truth meaning he’s always
00:03:45 speaking truth right
00:03:46 to set and order the house of god oh
00:03:49 that’s because i’m bringing out my verse
00:03:51 in my post that i not only is bringing
00:03:54 the order to god
00:03:56 or the house of god or the kingdom of
00:03:58 god
00:04:00 um he’s also going to restore things but
00:04:03 that’s a good verse for that point i’ll
00:04:05 have to add that
00:04:07 and to arrange by lot the inheritance of
00:04:10 the saints whose names are
00:04:12 found and the names of their fathers and
00:04:15 their
00:04:15 children enrolled in the book of the law
00:04:17 of god
00:04:24 enrolled in the book of the law of god
00:04:26 that in some ways that reminds me
00:04:28 the book of life right but i’m saying
00:04:30 it’s the law of god
00:04:32 and not the
00:04:35 the book of life because when i think of
00:04:36 the book of life it’s more
00:04:38 uh people’s names who follow god are
00:04:40 written in it and this is kind of adding
00:04:42 a little more to that
00:04:44 this is the one not just life but it’s
00:04:46 the law
00:04:48 which we’ve been studying for some time
00:04:53 yeah but and the children
00:04:56 enrolled in the book of the law of god
00:04:59 the enrolled part um i would take that
00:05:03 to mean that they’re
00:05:04 keeping the law um
00:05:07 but that phrase is a little
00:05:11 weird it’s not something that we use in
00:05:13 today’s english for sure
00:05:15 right so you definitely have to
00:05:18 think about it um
00:05:22 let me make a note of that because that
00:05:23 one could be a good one to how
00:05:25 some things i was already saying i
00:05:27 didn’t have a verse for but
00:05:28 the one about genealogy that i was
00:05:31 getting at
00:05:32 um that i’m bringing up that i’m
00:05:34 building up into
00:05:35 right now
00:05:38 [Music]
00:05:39 let me find it is um
00:05:43 dnc 86
00:05:46 um pretty much the whole chapter but i
00:05:49 focus on verse
00:05:50 one and then eight through ten yeah the
00:05:54 wheat and the tares
00:05:57 is that the 86 uh not the part that i’m
00:06:00 focusing on that
00:06:01 might actually be in there too uh no
00:06:06 i don’t see tears doing a quick search
00:06:07 but the verses i’m adding
00:06:11 yeah do you see 86 yeah it’s about the
00:06:14 wheat and the tears
00:06:17 well there’s wheat i don’t see tears
00:06:20 it’s terrible
00:06:23 but i’m focusing on verse one verily
00:06:26 saith the lord unto my servants
00:06:29 and bringing out servants not just one
00:06:32 concerning the parable of the wheat and
00:06:34 the terror oh i
00:06:35 felt terrible uh i’m not known for my
00:06:39 spelling i’ll tell you that right now
00:06:41 that’s okay um but then also and then
00:06:45 for
00:06:45 focusing on the last verses uh down at
00:06:49 the bottom
00:06:50 the lineage yeah because he
00:06:54 talks about the lineage uh that’s
00:06:57 important
00:06:58 right and i would state
00:07:02 that it’s not just joseph smith’s
00:07:04 lineage like the rlds church
00:07:06 likes to claim and focus on it’s going
00:07:09 to come
00:07:09 it’s going to to me it’s going to come
00:07:13 literally from their records
00:07:17 that they have been keeping from their
00:07:19 profit
00:07:21 uh the nephites or the lehites right
00:07:24 right right yeah the sill plates and
00:07:26 their additional plates because
00:07:28 right because the book of mormon is a
00:07:30 summary
00:07:31 of the records that they have and
00:07:35 there’s quotes about how joseph smith
00:07:36 saw wagon loads
00:07:38 of records in the hill that
00:07:42 i he moved um we’re we’ll be getting
00:07:45 films
00:07:45 at some point but in in here it brings
00:07:49 out how
00:07:49 the this now i believe the lineage that
00:07:53 is talking about is the linens of
00:07:55 joseph of egypt not joseph
00:07:58 smith right specifically it says
00:08:02 the servants if it was just
00:08:05 joseph smith why is it plural in verse 1
00:08:08 because his children weren’t helping
00:08:11 with this at that time they were too
00:08:12 young
00:08:13 right at that point well
00:08:20 it’s like they had their opportunity
00:08:25 and has anything come from
00:08:28 joseph smith’s lineage or as
00:08:32 one heart one mind you know
00:08:35 the fruits yeah yeah
00:08:39 when i was looking at the black slash
00:08:42 white
00:08:42 skin issue there is a supposed
00:08:46 revelation from joseph smith iii
00:08:49 that is basically racist which is very
00:08:53 disconcerting to me i i don’t think
00:08:56 i mean i do believe or
00:08:59 i think i would uh if i had to choose
00:09:03 between brigham young and joseph smith
00:09:04 iii
00:09:06 i would have picked joseph smith iii but
00:09:09 also he wrote a supposed revelation
00:09:13 i actually don’t believe is from god
00:09:16 that he claims
00:09:17 is and he’s basically being racist
00:09:20 in it i mean not so blatantly as
00:09:24 brigham young was but i mean i can read
00:09:26 it to you if you want but i
00:09:30 anyways this um
00:09:34 what i see is
00:09:39 i think if we focus
00:09:42 on a man that does not
00:09:46 show the fruits that we have
00:09:50 been forewarned to look for
00:09:53 then we will be led down
00:09:56 paths of more false tradition
00:09:59 i i agree with you brie completely
00:10:02 completely
00:10:03 um yeah because i
00:10:07 i i do think joseph smith iii was better
00:10:09 than brigham young but
00:10:10 also at the same time his supposed
00:10:13 revelations
00:10:14 that i’ve looked at i i have issues
00:10:18 with to be honest like i told you like
00:10:20 yeah one that’s kind of racist
00:10:22 he he wasn’t clothed with light he
00:10:25 didn’t have a scepter of power
00:10:28 oh no no yeah there’s some people that
00:10:30 think he’s the mighty one
00:10:32 they’re just wrong right if nothing else
00:10:36 in second nephi three he didn’t come
00:10:38 when
00:10:39 all of god’s children were ready
00:10:42 he was way too early for that right um
00:10:46 right because it stanza m which is the
00:10:48 very center of that
00:10:50 chapter it i don’t remember exactly what
00:10:53 it says but when all the children
00:10:55 god’s children are writing that includes
00:10:56 the lehighs
00:10:59 the jews and the gentiles
00:11:03 right not because primarily the only
00:11:06 ones that really
00:11:08 for the most part that believe in the
00:11:10 book of mormon right now are gentiles
00:11:12 right i’m a gentile
00:11:15 joseph smith was a gentile it was
00:11:16 translated by a gentile
00:11:19 anyways um
00:11:22 we we gentile because we grew up with
00:11:24 the gentile traditions
00:11:26 i mean yes we we got
00:11:30 you know portions of the truth
00:11:33 um at least
00:11:36 but um it says in the last verse
00:11:40 therefore blessed are you if you
00:11:43 continue
00:11:44 in my goodness a light
00:11:47 unto the gentiles and through this
00:11:51 priesthood a savior unto my people
00:11:54 israel the lord hath said it
00:11:58 amen um this
00:12:01 priesthood this society
00:12:06 when i see priesthood i think fellowship
00:12:09 with priests and priestesses
00:12:11 [Music]
00:12:13 okay where we have been taught
00:12:16 at least in the church lds church
00:12:20 that priesthood is
00:12:27 how do i word it father um
00:12:31 almost like a club you know
00:12:34 yeah because there’s no fruits of it no
00:12:37 no in fact one thing that drove me nuts
00:12:41 is when one of the 12
00:12:45 stated that you should have faith not to
00:12:47 be healed
00:12:48 i mean are you kidding me
00:12:52 the scriptures talk about having faith
00:12:54 to be healed and here they are
00:12:55 changing it to faith so therefore
00:12:59 don’t look for those firsts
00:13:02 look for the very words that yahweh
00:13:06 spoke yeshua spoke
00:13:09 when he was speaking to the people and
00:13:12 said these
00:13:13 are the signs that follow those
00:13:16 that believe on my name right right
00:13:20 and one of those fruits who believe in
00:13:23 his authority
00:13:24 is healings yeah
00:13:28 and here’s the eldest church teaching
00:13:30 that you should have faith
00:13:32 not to be healed i just think that’s
00:13:34 ridiculous
00:13:35 to be honest um so it is teaching a
00:13:38 different gospel
00:13:40 yes it is it is but the one point that i
00:13:43 um in my post that i’m focusing out in
00:13:47 in these verses here is that your
00:13:50 lineage
00:13:51 until the restoration of all things
00:13:54 so we don’t have that yet we don’t have
00:13:57 that yet
00:13:58 which brings is part of the reason i’m
00:14:00 bringing out is because it says in
00:14:03 supposed lds dnc 132
00:14:06 that joseph smith did bring everything
00:14:08 and so this right here is one from the
00:14:10 dnc
00:14:10 showing that that’s not the case because
00:14:13 it’s going to happen
00:14:14 later down the lineage you know i
00:14:17 believe
00:14:18 which is joseph smith the egypt not
00:14:20 joseph
00:14:21 smith’s lineage but it shows that
00:14:25 it hasn’t happened yet and it won’t
00:14:26 until later
00:14:28 and that’s how i feel the deception is
00:14:31 that everyone’s looking through
00:14:33 joseph smith’s line and
00:14:36 it’s like you’re going to be
00:14:38 disappointed but
00:14:40 i don’t accept come on christ that look
00:14:44 at his line i mean
00:14:46 that’s part really why the brazil fraud
00:14:49 was looking for someone in joe smith’s
00:14:51 line
00:14:51 to endorse him it’s because of that
00:14:54 tradition in the royalist
00:14:55 church right exactly this verse tells me
00:15:00 for first of all verse one like i said
00:15:02 before it’s servants it’s not
00:15:04 only talking to joseph smith in this
00:15:07 in this chapter or this section right is
00:15:10 talking to multiple people who
00:15:12 i would claim are all a part of
00:15:15 joseph of egypt’s lineage
00:15:18 and i think it’s gst 50 talks about
00:15:22 joseph
00:15:23 of egypt’s linen soda’s ii nephi 3 it’s
00:15:26 all about joseph of
00:15:27 egypt’s lineage right
00:15:31 and you have to use all the previous
00:15:34 instructions and warnings
00:15:38 that past prophets
00:15:41 have spoken about this individual
00:15:46 right and one thing that i just
00:15:47 remembered
00:15:49 um there was one guy that believed in
00:15:53 the brazil fraud and then later didn’t
00:15:57 but he he said one thing in
00:16:00 a talk that i have on my resource page
00:16:03 for it that
00:16:05 he quotes from the dnc about the seed of
00:16:08 joseph smith i don’t remember the exact
00:16:10 words but
00:16:11 the thing that the rlds church forgets
00:16:14 about
00:16:14 is seed can also reference to his words
00:16:19 but yes i agree those who are going to
00:16:21 do this work are going to believe in
00:16:23 joseph smith’s
00:16:25 words i don’t think it’s literally
00:16:28 his son or per uh how do you say
00:16:32 proportions or his posterity
00:16:36 his prosperity that that’s close enough
00:16:39 i don’t think it’s his prosperity i
00:16:40 think it’s talking about his words i i
00:16:43 forget what
00:16:44 section that is i’d have to go look it
00:16:46 up but
00:16:48 in the book of mormon and in the new
00:16:50 testament it brings out how
00:16:52 seeds can mean teachings
00:16:56 um but anyways uh how do you do
00:17:00 have you looked depth in the definition
00:17:03 um
00:17:04 18 28 dictionary
00:17:08 no we can go look real quick um
00:17:11 okay but i just know from the parables
00:17:14 and other things in the bible and
00:17:17 in the book of mormon that see
00:17:20 references
00:17:21 teaching it’s word it’s teaching
00:17:24 it can also mean um prosperity
00:17:27 principles not the only thing
00:17:29 but let’s go look it up so
00:17:33 see the substance animal or vegetable
00:17:36 which nature prepares for
00:17:37 reproduction okay so it goes along with
00:17:40 that part but
00:17:41 that from which anything springs
00:17:46 first principle so that would go along
00:17:49 more with the word
00:17:51 original as seeds of virtue or vice
00:17:54 that has to do with principles and
00:17:56 teachings
00:17:58 principle of production um
00:18:02 that’s not necessarily um children it
00:18:05 could be
00:18:05 but not necessarily right right well gen
00:18:09 progeny that that’s the word i was
00:18:11 looking thing or awesome
00:18:12 right children okay yeah but
00:18:15 that’s only one definition race
00:18:18 generation
00:18:19 birth so that kind of goes on with
00:18:20 number four
00:18:23 um to grow to maturity
00:18:27 so to produce seed
00:18:31 will not seed in cool climate
00:18:35 that doesn’t apply either way or maybe
00:18:38 because that
00:18:38 that could go off of the word to said
00:18:42 to shed seed uh
00:18:46 i don’t know to sow
00:18:49 sprinkle with seed with germanites and
00:18:51 take root
00:18:52 i i could i mean there they’re kind of
00:18:54 talking more about
00:18:55 plants but the parables
00:18:59 i’ll talk about how showing
00:19:02 forth the the seed or the word so i
00:19:05 think that could go
00:19:06 along more with the the seed being
00:19:09 word and not just their his children
00:19:12 personally that last one so there’s
00:19:15 basically two from the 1828 dictionary
00:19:18 right your children or your teachings
00:19:22 right uh well
00:19:24 i see it more from his teachings from
00:19:27 joseph smith’s teachings
00:19:31 i agree with that um that’s just me
00:19:36 i after waking up and looking
00:19:39 some into the rlds church and their
00:19:41 break offs they have their own unique
00:19:43 problems the lds
00:19:47 slash brigamites they have their own
00:19:49 problems but so do the
00:19:51 rlds slash community of christ and their
00:19:54 break offs they have their own problems
00:19:57 um and the remnant
00:20:00 uh well the you mean snifferites
00:20:04 on that because there there’s a break
00:20:08 break off yeah there’s a break off from
00:20:11 the our elitist church that
00:20:12 legally has the name remnant but that i
00:20:15 consider them that’s
00:20:16 what i’m talking about there’s different
00:20:19 ones that have taken on that name
00:20:23 oh i’m only i’m only aware of two the
00:20:25 snepherites which
00:20:26 is not illegal they don’t legally have
00:20:29 the name but then there’s the one in the
00:20:30 east
00:20:31 for break off from the our eligius
00:20:32 church which they legally have
00:20:35 that name
00:20:39 they have some things that i like but
00:20:41 overall
00:20:42 [Music]
00:20:43 sorry to say this but they don’t
00:20:45 actually follow the book of mormon
00:20:47 much they follow more rlds traditions
00:20:50 than they do the book of mormon
00:20:53 um which i find sad but anyways
00:20:58 yeah i i mean
00:21:03 with me looking at different churches
00:21:05 and some coming to me
00:21:07 i haven’t found one that does us one
00:21:10 simple thing
00:21:11 correctly according to the dnc and the
00:21:13 book of mormon
00:21:14 sacrament i haven’t seen a church that
00:21:18 does sacrament
00:21:19 correctly none no it’s like they put
00:21:22 man’s interpretation on it somehow
00:21:26 well i most church i don’t know
00:21:30 [Music]
00:21:32 the snuff rights at least they’re using
00:21:34 wine right
00:21:35 i’ll give them that but these other
00:21:37 churches
00:21:38 the closest they’ll get to wine is grape
00:21:42 juice
00:21:42 and that’s not wine
00:21:46 i don’t have a post on this yet but i
00:21:48 have saved in my one note
00:21:50 tons of verses it shows how the the
00:21:52 righteous nephites
00:21:53 drink wine and then
00:21:56 made them tipsy it says it in the book
00:21:59 of mormon
00:22:03 it made them titty yeah you saw them
00:22:06 make some money i haven’t seen
00:22:07 that i don’t know if that’s the exact
00:22:10 word i i can um
00:22:13 let me go look at the references i do
00:22:16 know
00:22:16 that the lord emphasizes not
00:22:19 not so much the lord yahweh the
00:22:22 resurrected
00:22:24 yeshua he
00:22:28 specifically gave these points
00:22:32 of the sacrament so there would not be
00:22:37 disputations among us
00:22:40 and yet there are disputations
00:22:43 all right so i i can give you a couple
00:22:46 like here’s ether 1522
00:22:49 drunken with wine administration of wine
00:22:53 all throughout the book of mormon but
00:22:55 who was drunken
00:22:58 those who the drunken parts generally
00:23:00 those who weren’t righteous because
00:23:03 right exactly when you drink it too much
00:23:06 is when you get drunken
00:23:08 right exactly you’re not supposed to
00:23:11 drink to the point
00:23:12 that you’re drunk you’re supposed to be
00:23:15 filled
00:23:17 is there’s a difference oh yeah where
00:23:21 you’re glad there’s a point where it
00:23:25 gladdens our heart like it talks about
00:23:27 in psalms but there’s also a point where
00:23:30 you’re doing it just to forget
00:23:31 everything and that’s
00:23:32 where you’re those who get drunken or i
00:23:35 would say
00:23:36 generally get drunken because they’re
00:23:38 trying to forget the problems in their
00:23:40 life
00:23:40 not because they’re trying to relax
00:23:43 yes they’re trying to escape
00:23:46 and we have been warned
00:23:50 time and time again that
00:23:55 it is meant to turn
00:23:58 our heart and our mind to remember
00:24:02 him and
00:24:05 mischief happens
00:24:08 when you cross the line it’s just
00:24:11 like when we eat food he says
00:24:15 gluttony is wrong
00:24:19 you know you’re only supposed to eat to
00:24:23 you to pay attention has your hunger
00:24:27 pains been
00:24:28 satisfied oh right yeah
00:24:35 your body right and so
00:24:39 when a person goes
00:24:42 into the sacrament
00:24:45 to not remember
00:24:48 him not to be
00:24:52 in a position to be open to hysteric
00:24:56 but to have that sensation
00:24:59 for the flesh
00:25:03 then they are looking beyond the mark
00:25:06 oh correct i i my main point with
00:25:08 bringing this up is this
00:25:10 so i counted i have 15 verses from the
00:25:13 book of mormon
00:25:15 that associate that you can get drunk
00:25:17 from wine like alma 55
00:25:19 30. and many times did they attempt
00:25:22 the lamanites to administer their wine
00:25:25 today yeah to get them destroy them with
00:25:29 poison or with drunkenness
00:25:32 wine has alcohol they were too smart oh
00:25:35 yeah because i mean i don’t have it here
00:25:37 but
00:25:37 in that same chapter it talks about how
00:25:40 they would administer
00:25:41 they would share it with their lamanite
00:25:44 prisoners
00:25:45 before they had any firsts to make to
00:25:48 see if it was poisonous or not
00:25:51 and so here’s the key word in verse
00:25:54 31. i think the nephites
00:25:58 were not slow to remember
00:26:03 the lord their god in their time of
00:26:06 affliction
00:26:07 they could not be taken in their snares
00:26:12 yea they would not partake
00:26:15 of their wine say they had first given
00:26:19 to some of the lamanite prisoners
00:26:23 now that’s what i was discussing that
00:26:25 means
00:26:26 they were disciplined over
00:26:29 the flesh and they
00:26:33 they took of that wine to
00:26:36 remember him they were keeping the law
00:26:39 of moses
00:26:40 well also it’s not it’s so wine is not
00:26:43 only for
00:26:44 sacrament i mean that is part of wine
00:26:47 but it can be taken just to relax
00:26:49 too and gladden the heart
00:26:52 yes but we have examples
00:26:56 of what happens
00:26:59 when it’s past that point of gladdening
00:27:02 that
00:27:03 we have those examples in the bible all
00:27:06 right
00:27:06 i’m just saying is the the nephites were
00:27:08 disciplined they didn’t go beyond that
00:27:10 point
00:27:11 but they didn’t only they were white
00:27:13 right they were wise and disciplined
00:27:15 they didn’t only use it for sacrament
00:27:18 right smith didn’t only use it for
00:27:20 sacrament he did it to glad in his heart
00:27:23 he had it a wedding jesus joshua
00:27:26 blessed made water into wine at a
00:27:29 wedding
00:27:30 a time of celebration
00:27:33 okay but when you have a union and a
00:27:36 marriage
00:27:37 are you not also remembering yahweh
00:27:41 uh it depends on the people but i
00:27:44 hopefully people would
00:27:46 that i think people should remember
00:27:48 yahweh all the time
00:27:49 24 7 personally but it depends on the
00:27:53 person why were they getting married
00:27:55 isn’t that the law
00:27:58 isn’t that god’s law
00:28:02 i mean in genesis it was ordained by him
00:28:04 to get
00:28:05 married um but that’s not
00:28:08 the reason why everybody gets married
00:28:11 i would even say that’s not the reason
00:28:13 why all jews get married
00:28:15 but yes it is a commandment from god to
00:28:17 get married
00:28:21 but now not everyone does it because of
00:28:23 that
00:28:25 no but the ones that are trying to
00:28:28 remember
00:28:29 him i am saying that
00:28:34 if they are having wisdom
00:28:38 when they drink wine it will gladden the
00:28:42 heart but they will
00:28:43 still be in a position to remember
00:28:47 yahweh
00:28:52 for sure sure i could see that some
00:28:56 because the gladness i would say or
00:28:59 peace actually comes from
00:29:00 yahweh um it’s not something anything
00:29:03 that
00:29:04 we can produce ourselves i mean we may
00:29:06 be able to be
00:29:08 happy but happy joy are two different
00:29:12 things
00:29:14 yeah yeah and what gladdens the heart
00:29:18 for those like if the nephites were not
00:29:21 slow
00:29:21 to remember the lord their god in the
00:29:26 time
00:29:26 of their affliction most of us you know
00:29:30 gentiles they’re not
00:29:34 going to remember him in the time of
00:29:36 affliction
00:29:37 no they’re going to look for escape
00:29:41 they’re going to look for an excuse or
00:29:44 are they they curse god
00:29:46 blame yeah okay
00:29:49 but these who were learning from
00:29:52 this example is an example of
00:29:55 righteousness
00:29:56 right sure sure
00:30:01 and so what i’ve taken from the
00:30:03 scriptures if it gladdens their heart
00:30:05 it’s not the gladdening of the heart
00:30:08 that i’ve seen
00:30:09 in the remnant in my childhood
00:30:14 okay sure
00:30:19 they may say it gladdens them when
00:30:22 they’re slurring
00:30:24 and when they’re contentious
00:30:28 you know because they’re trying to prove
00:30:30 a point and i’m like
00:30:32 that’s not my definition of vladimir
00:30:36 no i i would tend to agree with you
00:30:38 there
00:30:42 when i used to take the sacrament with
00:30:45 the snuff rights there
00:30:46 i mean they used wine but i’ll be honest
00:30:49 there was not much
00:30:50 discussion of scriptures it was more
00:30:52 along the lines oh what did denver write
00:30:55 what’s his latest blog entry let’s talk
00:30:57 about
00:30:59 that it wasn’t in fact they made fun of
00:31:01 me when i wanted to read scriptures
00:31:04 instead of reading his blog i’m not
00:31:07 kidding
00:31:08 on that that’s why i actually that
00:31:10 caused me what stopped me from meeting
00:31:12 with him
00:31:12 is because they got really arrogant
00:31:16 about that yeah um
00:31:19 the experience that i’ve had is
00:31:22 that oh i made the wine this way and i
00:31:26 put this in it and this is why i
00:31:29 am feeling a buzz you know
00:31:32 and i’m like is this the conversation
00:31:36 we’re supposed to be
00:31:37 happy shouldn’t it be about the
00:31:39 scriptures and the lord not
00:31:41 not the wine that i made sorry
00:31:45 i i i mean so i it could be
00:31:48 another time yeah i don’t know
00:31:53 i mean the wine is symbolic because wine
00:31:55 represents christ’s blood and his blood
00:31:57 represents his life and his example
00:32:00 for us right but i
00:32:03 to me that just sounds like they’re
00:32:04 focusing on the wrong thing if they’re
00:32:06 worried about
00:32:07 talking about how they made it or what
00:32:08 they put in it um
00:32:12 wine is of the grapes i mean you can
00:32:14 have um other
00:32:16 alcoholic drinks like cider which i like
00:32:20 but wine i think it’s from grapes period
00:32:23 if you’re adding stuff into it it’s not
00:32:25 wine in my mind anymore but i
00:32:28 i i’m i’m not going to get all dogmatic
00:32:31 about it
00:32:35 and their heart’s definitely glad but it
00:32:39 was like
00:32:40 i i would sit there and i was
00:32:42 questioning are we remembering him
00:32:45 is this part of his spirit
00:32:49 well you know what am i missing there
00:32:52 were times i liked
00:32:53 meeting with the snifferites but overall
00:32:57 they wanted to focus on how i couldn’t
00:33:01 bless it
00:33:02 bless the sacrament um because i didn’t
00:33:06 accept him
00:33:07 and which is funny because they say
00:33:08 there’s no rules but that’s a rule that
00:33:10 they have that came from
00:33:12 snuffer um and how they wanted to focus
00:33:16 on his blog
00:33:17 rather than studying the actual
00:33:19 scriptures
00:33:21 i it just anyways
00:33:25 that brings up a question in my mind
00:33:28 i mean when you said that i think
00:33:32 if i was in a city
00:33:35 and hearing enoch teaching
00:33:42 did i have to accept him
00:33:45 or did i have to accept the message
00:33:50 and did i have a responsibility
00:33:58 to go and experiment
00:34:02 on the message and sweet or delicious
00:34:07 then i would know personally
00:34:10 that i didn’t have to follow a man
00:34:14 so that’s that i was following the
00:34:16 creator
00:34:18 to me the focus should be on the message
00:34:21 in fact i would say
00:34:23 um we could use words from yeshua to
00:34:26 show that
00:34:26 because what what’s the unpardonable sin
00:34:30 is it not believing in yeshua or is it
00:34:33 not believing
00:34:34 in the word slash the holy ghost
00:34:37 which i believe is the word the plan the
00:34:41 unforgivable sin
00:34:43 is denying the word
00:34:46 the plan it’s
00:34:50 when you don’t believe in the in the
00:34:52 plan and how we
00:34:54 are going need to be why would you
00:34:56 repent or even strive to be like yeshua
00:34:59 because yeshua is the perfect example of
00:35:01 how
00:35:02 we should be but if you don’t even
00:35:04 believe in the way
00:35:06 you won’t believe in yeshua and if you
00:35:08 believe in yeshua without believing the
00:35:10 way
00:35:11 you’re not a good believer in fact dnc
00:35:13 76 says if you only believe in christ
00:35:16 you’re going to the telestra
00:35:19 kingdom yeah
00:35:22 it says that and so the focus you have
00:35:25 to know
00:35:26 him we need to know him and why he did
00:35:30 things yeshua made it possible i’m not
00:35:34 trying to put him down in any way i’m
00:35:38 just trying to bring out what things
00:35:39 that he said in the new testament and
00:35:41 the doctrine covenants
00:35:43 it’s his way of being that matters the
00:35:46 most because
00:35:47 if we don’t become like that
00:35:51 all is lost even with him because
00:35:54 he will not force us to be
00:35:58 like him the template
00:36:01 or the standard of the saved ones
00:36:07 and i agree with you let’s turn to third
00:36:11 nephi
00:36:12 20. okay this is the whole purpose
00:36:16 of me wanting to join with you
00:36:20 and inviting others to come and join
00:36:26 that we come to an understanding
00:36:30 of what
00:36:33 this experience
00:36:37 looks like and are we
00:36:40 really experiencing this first
00:36:44 in six and seven it says there was no
00:36:47 bread
00:36:47 neither wine but
00:36:51 he truly gave to them bread to eat
00:36:54 and wine to drink then verse 8
00:36:58 and he said unto them he
00:37:02 that eateth this bread eateth of my body
00:37:06 to his soul and he
00:37:10 that drinketh of this
00:37:13 wine drinketh of my blood
00:37:18 to his soul it’s not just his flesh
00:37:22 okay and his soul
00:37:26 shall never hunger or thirst
00:37:30 but shall all
00:37:33 be filled now when the multitude
00:37:38 had all eaten and drunk
00:37:42 they were filled with what
00:37:45 not a sensation but they were
00:37:49 filled with the
00:37:52 spirit right you know and they said
00:37:56 what oh i was just saying i think that’s
00:37:58 what’s being referred to
00:38:00 actually in verse eight is the spirit
00:38:03 i think just verse 9 clarifies
00:38:07 that and brings it out and
00:38:10 when you’re filled with the spirit what
00:38:12 happens what is the fruit
00:38:14 they cry out with one voice and gave
00:38:18 glory to jesus whom they both
00:38:22 saw and heard you mean not to their
00:38:27 uh man man their leader
00:38:31 yes yes not to snuffer you mean not to
00:38:34 snuffer
00:38:35 i’ll say it i i’m known to teach out
00:38:39 against snuffer i’ll say it it wasn’t
00:38:40 just enough for it was to jesus
00:38:42 to yeshua yeah yes it
00:38:46 is to the father
00:38:50 and son the creator
00:38:55 the one that has that fruit
00:39:00 to
00:39:03 feel the emptiness
00:39:08 right yeah it’s
00:39:13 uh i i mean verse 8 can be a little
00:39:16 tricky right um depending how you want
00:39:19 to read it but
00:39:20 um i do believe that the
00:39:23 bread and the wine represent his his
00:39:26 life
00:39:27 yeah and that’s how we’re supposed to be
00:39:29 like because i i don’t
00:39:30 believe like the catholics that it turns
00:39:33 into his little
00:39:35 uh flesh and blood that’s not kosher
00:39:39 in fact no even at jesus day when he
00:39:42 said it
00:39:43 people left him because they they took
00:39:45 it literally because they
00:39:47 the jews know you’re not supposed to eat
00:39:49 human
00:39:50 flesh and so they left them because
00:39:52 those who didn’t understand
00:39:54 it was a deeper meaning they just left
00:39:57 i mean that’s in the new testament um
00:40:00 it is how he fulfilled
00:40:04 his father’s word in the flesh
00:40:14 when i break i break the bread
00:40:19 i think and ponder
00:40:23 on he is the bread
00:40:26 of life he is the substance
00:40:30 okay how do i use bread throughout
00:40:34 my day i’ll use it in a meatloaf
00:40:37 to make a stretch i’ll
00:40:40 make toast in the money and in the
00:40:43 morning
00:40:45 you know to feel the hunger and
00:40:48 so i looked to him
00:40:52 to not to food
00:40:55 to fill my hunger first but i looked
00:40:58 to him i looked through his word
00:41:02 to fill me up in
00:41:06 that moment
00:41:10 of what i am in need of
00:41:15 um yeah
00:41:18 what i lack well i think one thing that
00:41:21 a lot of people forget especially in
00:41:23 today’s world
00:41:24 is that in jesus’s world bread was
00:41:27 a staple it was all the time
00:41:31 [Music]
00:41:32 and and it did fill you up yes it did it
00:41:35 took you from
00:41:36 one journey to another
00:41:39 yeah it it was the main staple
00:41:43 back then yeah and and it that’s what uh
00:41:48 bread is made from wheat
00:41:49 and you know the behold the field
00:41:53 is ready to harvest that’s a wheat
00:41:56 anyways
00:41:57 but um not forget where i was
00:42:02 yeah the tares were worthless they
00:42:04 didn’t give you anything to make that
00:42:06 bread
00:42:06 no oh i remember was going to say the
00:42:08 the there’s a
00:42:10 video um i can find the link if you want
00:42:13 but it talks about how bread
00:42:15 is made and the bread making process
00:42:20 i will be honest reminds me how god
00:42:22 works with us
00:42:25 and how we need to die because to make
00:42:27 bread
00:42:28 first you have to
00:42:35 jerk we can wait a minute um how about
00:42:37 we call break time for a couple minutes
00:42:38 then because
00:42:39 i need to go do something okay okay
00:42:41 thank you yeah
00:43:39 you
00:44:20 so
00:45:22 [Music]
00:45:34 okay i’m sorry oh that’s fine i heard
00:45:38 i heard a scream and
00:45:42 um when i went to check
00:45:45 um allie was actually laying down
00:45:49 with the baby that’s a good thing okay
00:45:52 so it sounds like okay so i i think i
00:45:56 was
00:45:56 there are you recording
00:45:59 yeah i’m recording um but the
00:46:03 process of making bread reminds me of
00:46:06 how god works with us
00:46:07 because we have to okay so first of all
00:46:10 i mean i’m going off a big memory here
00:46:12 so don’t quote me too much i can get the
00:46:14 video
00:46:15 um but first we have to die right
00:46:18 because we’re cut down
00:46:20 [Music]
00:46:21 we’re dried and then um
00:46:24 after we’re laid out or the wheat’s laid
00:46:27 out
00:46:28 they then crush it and then they add
00:46:32 water to it which is like baptism
00:46:36 and then they cook it
00:46:40 it’s like baptism of fire
00:46:43 and then it becomes new because even at
00:46:45 that time
00:46:46 uh leaven is added and then you become
00:46:49 alive
00:46:49 again because you’re literally bread is
00:46:52 alive
00:46:53 again when you add the leaves changed
00:46:56 yeah
00:46:56 right um and then they do it again
00:46:59 anyways
00:47:00 it the the bread making process reminds
00:47:03 me
00:47:03 of how god works with us let me see if i
00:47:06 can
00:47:07 find um
00:47:10 [Music]
00:47:12 and i used to make bread on a day-to-day
00:47:15 basis
00:47:16 just like that oh yeah um
00:47:19 yep my my grandma had a bread making
00:47:23 machine
00:47:24 which
00:47:26 [Music]
00:47:28 i had to grind it
00:47:31 i had to do it the old way and then
00:47:34 make everything by the hand and the
00:47:37 gluten
00:47:39 uh if you want there’s the i the video
00:47:43 that i’m talking about
00:47:45 i think it’s from i think it’s a ted
00:47:48 video i can’t
00:47:49 let me see
00:47:55 yeah it’s a ted video which
00:47:59 ted in general has a tendency to be
00:48:01 pretty liberal
00:48:03 but yeah this is a good video though
00:48:06 even though
00:48:06 they have some good things yeah they do
00:48:09 have some good things but
00:48:11 uh bill gates is not one of them oh
00:48:14 no there’s quotes of bill gates talking
00:48:18 about
00:48:19 population depopulation on ted that
00:48:22 um they’ll keep up but they’ll take
00:48:24 other things down which
00:48:26 makes no sense to me other than they
00:48:27 have an agenda right
00:48:29 thank you that’s just what i was going
00:48:32 to say
00:48:36 and what they’re trying to condition the
00:48:38 mind yeah
00:48:43 [Music]
00:48:44 yeah i i agree but anyways they do have
00:48:47 some good things that i do like that
00:48:49 video
00:48:50 if you want to watch it someday okay um
00:48:52 thank you
00:48:54 but there’s a reason why
00:48:58 okay go back to where
00:49:02 [Music]
00:49:04 we’re walking of being filled with the
00:49:06 spirit
00:49:07 now um
00:49:10 and and glorifying him thinking
00:49:14 on how he walks how we talk
00:49:18 how we interact with individuals
00:49:22 i think he once said listen
00:49:27 listen to their
00:49:31 i don’t think one pointed to a man
00:49:36 except in the next verse
00:49:39 in 35 chapter 19 where we were reading
00:49:43 verse 11 you mean chapter 20
00:49:48 yes thank you okay yes 20
00:49:52 verse 11 ye remember that i
00:49:55 speak unto you and said
00:49:59 that when the words of isaiah should be
00:50:03 fulfilled behold they are written
00:50:08 ye have them before you therefore
00:50:13 search them you didn’t say
00:50:18 poor lot and honor and glory
00:50:21 to isaiah for man he is the
00:50:24 man no he didn’t he said search his
00:50:27 words
00:50:29 exactly and that is the example
00:50:34 that we should look to anytime
00:50:38 that we hear are remembered
00:50:42 or are reading a man’s
00:50:47 words yeah it’s about the message not
00:50:49 the man
00:50:51 absolutely so then
00:50:55 he’s talking about fulfilled fulfilling
00:50:58 the
00:50:59 covenant which the father hath made
00:51:02 unto his people so it all goes back
00:51:08 everything that we are studying
00:51:12 it should go back to a covenant
00:51:15 should it not
00:51:19 uh i haven’t thought about that i can
00:51:22 somewhat
00:51:23 see that um because
00:51:26 even our like the sacrament we
00:51:30 covered to keep his commandments during
00:51:32 the sacrament i mean we could go read
00:51:34 the prayers again
00:51:35 but yes it’s it’s in there i will
00:51:38 always remember yeah
00:51:42 um so i i can see that i haven’t really
00:51:45 put
00:51:46 thought into that way
00:51:52 if we are remembering him
00:51:56 what does it say here
00:51:59 he’s going to remember
00:52:03 the house of israel he’s going
00:52:06 to remember the covenant
00:52:10 he made all right but it’s with the
00:52:14 house of israel not some
00:52:15 gentile church we need to be
00:52:19 adopted into israel not
00:52:23 modern christianity church
00:52:26 okay now we’re talking
00:52:29 we’re going to lead into your post
00:52:35 what has the gentile
00:52:38 done uh i can see that they’ve rejected
00:52:41 for the most part
00:52:43 yes yeah um i i i
00:52:48 uh i can see how that leads into my post
00:52:50 i wouldn’t say that’s
00:52:51 kind of it’s i do kind of talk about
00:52:54 that
00:52:54 because like how uh was it dnc 84
00:52:58 came two and a half years after the
00:52:59 gentiles got the book of mormon
00:53:02 right but yeah they rejected it and they
00:53:04 rejected it
00:53:06 they rejected it then and uh and i bring
00:53:08 out how my
00:53:09 accept this and accept that almost
00:53:11 they’re still rejecting it
00:53:14 yes because they have quote unquote
00:53:18 they have how do i get they have
00:53:21 quote unquote modern prophets that
00:53:23 contradict it so they’ll listen to their
00:53:25 modern
00:53:26 prophets even though the book of mormon
00:53:28 says
00:53:29 the law and the gospel doesn’t change
00:53:32 they’ll still listen to people it says
00:53:34 it’s easier
00:53:35 because they give them money like was
00:53:38 that is that human
00:53:39 five i always forget which chapter that
00:53:42 is
00:53:44 i can look it up where they speak
00:53:48 um words to them
00:53:51 um where they pay them money and they
00:53:53 tell them all is well in zion
00:54:03 um is it three
00:54:08 or seven well i can find out it’s in my
00:54:12 bishops post
00:54:18 let’s see
00:54:22 is it 11.
00:54:29 i’m getting distracted again because
00:54:34 isn’t it the foolish one that would be
00:54:37 12.
00:54:41 wouldn’t it be how quick maybe it’s the
00:54:44 only
00:54:44 13 returning
00:54:48 12 would be the foolish top you know how
00:54:51 we’re nothing
00:54:52 and how um
00:54:54 [Music]
00:54:55 we’re quick to forget let me find it
00:55:00 uh it’s hillman 13. uh so
00:55:04 is it 13 yeah that’s samuels
00:55:08 zen samuel hot yeah i
00:55:12 don’t know human as well as i want to um
00:55:16 i turned to a lot oh here it is verse 27
00:55:20 13. yeah it’s it’s abinadi
00:55:24 i mean uh samuels
00:55:28 um yeah so i i in my bishop’s post i
00:55:31 have 26 through 28
00:55:33 which is 27 is like in the center of
00:55:36 that
00:55:38 okay well let’s read these verses okay
00:55:42 um so behold ye are worse
00:55:46 than they uh we’re speaking to the
00:55:49 laminites
00:55:50 okay let’s back up them okay
00:55:54 okay so they mocked
00:55:57 and they cast the profits out okay start
00:55:59 with 25. uh
00:56:02 okay let me get it he’s saying there’s a
00:56:05 curse on this land and this is the
00:56:07 reason
00:56:08 this has been a die warning them and
00:56:10 saying hey guys
00:56:11 you gotta go all right you mean samuel
00:56:14 bennett is oh i’m sorry did i say it
00:56:17 yeah that’s fine i i know what you meant
00:56:20 i say the wrong thing
00:56:21 at times sometimes my mouth doesn’t do
00:56:24 what i’m thinking
00:56:25 my mind says exactly okay
00:56:28 thank you i do it too you’ve caught me
00:56:31 doing it it’s no big deal
00:56:35 25 and now when you talk you say if
00:56:39 our days had been in the days of our
00:56:41 fathers of old we would not have slain
00:56:43 the prophets
00:56:44 we would have not stoned them and cast
00:56:46 them out
00:56:48 behold you are worse than they oh
00:56:51 yeah so it’s i did wrong on the day but
00:56:54 anyways
00:56:55 for as the lord liveth if a prophet
00:56:58 cometh among you and declare
00:57:01 unto you the word of the lord which
00:57:04 testifies of your sins and your
00:57:07 iniquities
00:57:08 you are angry with him and cast him out
00:57:12 and seeketh all manner of ways to
00:57:15 destroy him
00:57:17 yeah you will say that he is a false
00:57:20 prophet
00:57:21 and that he is a sinner and of the devil
00:57:24 because he testifies that your deeds are
00:57:26 evil which is what
00:57:28 the jews the majority of the jews did
00:57:31 during christ’s ministry especially the
00:57:33 sadducees and the pharisees right
00:57:35 exactly but behold if a man
00:57:38 shall come among you and shall say do
00:57:42 this
00:57:42 and there is no iniquity do that and you
00:57:46 shall not suffer
00:57:47 he will say walk after the pride of your
00:57:49 own hearts yay
00:57:51 walk after the pride of your eyes and do
00:57:53 whatsoever your heart desireth
00:57:56 and if a man shall come among you and
00:57:58 say this you will receive him and say he
00:58:00 is a
00:58:00 prophet so do whatever you want
00:58:04 all is well right right prophet
00:58:07 yay you will lift him up and will give
00:58:09 him of your substance basically give him
00:58:12 your money which that’s how
00:58:16 lds leaders sustain themselves is off of
00:58:18 the money
00:58:19 that um people give them
00:58:22 you will give him of your gold and your
00:58:25 silver
00:58:26 and you will clothe him with costly
00:58:28 apparel you
00:58:29 go look at people that speak in
00:58:31 conference those
00:58:33 walls are expensive
00:58:36 they’re like oh why not a thousand plus
00:58:39 costly apparel
00:58:40 you know the lds church is about all
00:58:42 about modesty
00:58:44 right modesty is fine but you know what
00:58:46 the book of mormon speaks against
00:58:48 is costly apparel that is the beginning
00:58:53 of pride that is the beginning
00:58:56 of separating and
00:59:00 what what is the word i am looking for
00:59:04 father there’s equality
00:59:07 there’s prosperity there’s richness
00:59:11 going on in the church in the believers
00:59:15 and then all of a sudden they start
00:59:17 wearing costly
00:59:19 apparel clothing and
00:59:22 it makes
00:59:26 the level change you know they’re not on
00:59:29 equal ground anymore before but
00:59:33 in fourth nephi that is one of the first
00:59:35 things that they bring out
00:59:37 is the costly they’re starting the
00:59:39 costly apparel
00:59:41 i don’t remember i dress better it’s
00:59:42 along those lines
00:59:44 yes i dress better and because i dress
00:59:48 better
00:59:49 i must know more than you
00:59:53 and because i know more than you
00:59:57 you should pay me for what i
01:00:00 know and you should
01:00:04 work for me yeah because i know more
01:00:08 yeah you know one thing um
01:00:11 i forget that and isaiah but the one
01:00:14 that says that seven women will
01:00:16 cleave onto one man i mean that’s very
01:00:19 symbolic but
01:00:20 in there it talks about they wanting to
01:00:23 walk wanting to wear their own
01:00:25 apparel yes that has to do with their
01:00:28 own
01:00:28 pride yes they’re not really connecting
01:00:32 with the
01:00:32 with the god of heaven they’re just
01:00:35 wanting they just want
01:00:36 his name they just want the name and not
01:00:39 the authority
01:00:40 or the way they just want people to
01:00:42 think he’s in
01:00:44 that they’re in his way and that’s what
01:00:47 the verse is talking about not polygamy
01:00:49 like some people like to claim is
01:00:52 talking about how they want to do things
01:00:54 their way it’s they want to wear their
01:00:56 own apparel they want to eat their own
01:00:58 words
01:00:59 or their own doings because we’re
01:01:01 supposed to live by
01:01:02 what not bread alone but
01:01:05 every word the priesthood out of the
01:01:08 word of oh
01:01:09 i mean out of the mouth of god
01:01:12 anyways then that verbs
01:01:16 you know i find brie and you’re probably
01:01:18 seeing this more and more
01:01:20 the less you know of the old testament
01:01:22 tanakh
01:01:23 and torah the easier it is for you get
01:01:27 to misunderstand the rest of the
01:01:30 scriptures
01:01:33 yes yes and i thank you for that
01:01:36 because i see that and i was talking to
01:01:39 father about that
01:01:41 and it was like that’s the measuring
01:01:45 stick you’ve given
01:01:48 for everything else for us to build
01:01:52 upon like when i’m measuring a room
01:01:56 i’m measuring the room to fill
01:02:00 that space in a order
01:02:05 so it will function
01:02:08 in a certain way
01:02:12 yeah um so
01:02:16 the base of the prophets in the book of
01:02:19 mormon
01:02:19 is torah and and tanakh but i would say
01:02:22 arguably it’s primarily torah
01:02:25 that the things in the tanakh the old
01:02:28 testament are based off of things in
01:02:30 torah the more that i study the more i
01:02:33 can see it but if you don’t
01:02:35 study it you’re not going to know it
01:02:36 because
01:02:38 you’re completely going to miss over it
01:02:39 and it’s studying
01:02:41 is more than just reading it once or
01:02:43 twice it’s really thinking about what
01:02:45 it’s
01:02:45 saying and trying you’ve got to stop
01:02:48 and look at what is the true definition
01:02:52 of this word oh yes no so you read a
01:02:56 sentence
01:02:57 and you go do i really understand this
01:02:59 word
01:03:01 that’s i have to ask myself do i really
01:03:05 understand this or am i leaning
01:03:08 toward a definition and believe
01:03:11 oh i do that with the book of mormon i i
01:03:14 i love the 1828 dictionary
01:03:17 if nothing else i mean i know english
01:03:20 right i
01:03:20 grew up with it it’s my native tongue
01:03:23 but
01:03:24 we have forgotten a lot of the
01:03:26 definitions
01:03:28 from 1828 which is the book of mormon oh
01:03:30 yeah
01:03:31 it goes right along with 1828 and so
01:03:34 it’s very useful and enlightening to go
01:03:38 look at what the word
01:03:39 actually means because uh
01:03:43 we all the definitions aren’t used
01:03:46 anymore
01:03:46 today and those additional definitions
01:03:49 can make those verses make more sense
01:03:52 i mean i’ve shown that with you with a
01:03:54 couple of verses even recently
01:03:56 right just me on the butt the butt
01:03:59 in this second e5 iii i’d i would
01:04:02 i looked up butt and it made it more
01:04:05 those verses and second e5
01:04:08 second knee by three make more sense
01:04:10 just a simple
01:04:11 but that we use all the time right but
01:04:13 anyways yes
01:04:15 but we have to be in place
01:04:19 of not know all
01:04:22 but like a child going
01:04:26 you know i want to learn and what is
01:04:29 this about
01:04:30 and do i know you know
01:04:34 you have to be in a position where you
01:04:36 go i may not know
01:04:44 yes okay so
01:04:47 let’s finish that verse hon
01:04:53 which one i forget
01:04:56 verse 28 we stopped on costly apparel
01:05:01 oh yeah okay so 28 and you will lift him
01:05:03 up and he will give unto you
01:05:05 and you will give unto him of your
01:05:07 substance
01:05:08 you will give unto him of your gold and
01:05:10 of your silver and you will clothe him
01:05:12 with costly apparel
01:05:14 and because he speaks flattering words
01:05:17 unto you
01:05:18 [Music]
01:05:20 makes you feel all warm and fuzzy uh
01:05:23 that everything’s okay
01:05:24 and he said that all is well then you
01:05:27 will
01:05:27 not find fault in him because he makes
01:05:30 you think everything is fine
01:05:32 you think he’s a great person
01:05:35 um okay keep continuing okay
01:05:39 oh you wicked and you pres preserve
01:05:43 her first sorry the so that’s okay
01:05:46 when it was when i was in elementary i
01:05:49 still it still comes out occasionally i
01:05:50 had speech impediments
01:05:52 um did you know i couldn’t read until
01:05:55 i was 19 years old i didn’t know because
01:05:59 of my
01:05:59 child abuse i
01:06:02 i remember the word that i was got told
01:06:05 to say i’ll
01:06:06 focus on a lot in in elementary was
01:06:09 sister
01:06:09 i had a hard time saying sister
01:06:12 in other words like it but i remember
01:06:14 that one anyways
01:06:16 oh ye wicked and perverse generation ye
01:06:20 hardened and you stiff naked people how
01:06:22 long will you
01:06:24 suppose that the lord will suffer you
01:06:26 gay how long will you
01:06:28 suffer yourselves be led by foolish and
01:06:31 blind guides
01:06:34 yay how long will you choose darkness
01:06:36 rather than light
01:06:40 i i yeah i’m
01:06:44 i mean in isaiah it talks about um how
01:06:47 the
01:06:48 shepherds aren’t doing their jobs right
01:06:51 right i think this goes along with that
01:06:53 same concept right there he’s consistent
01:06:56 in the message that he sends
01:07:00 oh yes and he’s a servant he
01:07:03 he he uses different imageries at time
01:07:07 um yes but the underlying message
01:07:11 is completely consistent
01:07:15 and so what does he say in verse 30
01:07:19 yeah he behold what’s going to happen
01:07:20 because of all this
01:07:22 now let’s see yeah behold the anger of
01:07:24 the lord
01:07:25 is kindled against you
01:07:28 behold he hath cursed the land
01:07:32 because of your iniquity
01:07:36 so is our land cursed in america
01:07:43 i think is it just the church being
01:07:45 condemned
01:07:47 no it’s the whole country it’s just the
01:07:50 the church
01:07:51 follows the trends of the country
01:07:55 sadly right they’re a little behind the
01:07:58 times but they follow
01:08:00 the times but
01:08:06 in general i would say we’re cursed but
01:08:08 i think
01:08:09 the state’s just going to get more
01:08:10 cursed um before
01:08:12 the second coming because you know
01:08:16 i in general you could most people are
01:08:19 like
01:08:19 uh we’re blessed in america
01:08:23 uh maybe but nowhere in
01:08:26 where we should be or could be if we
01:08:29 return
01:08:29 you’re breaking up oh
01:08:32 uh my connection is uh
01:08:35 yeah yeah um
01:08:38 [Music]
01:08:40 i was just saying that how a lot of
01:08:43 people think america is
01:08:44 planning still having a hard time
01:08:49 lovely internet um i’m just saying how
01:08:52 a lot of people say america is blessed
01:08:56 and we might be to some degree compared
01:08:59 to some things but in general
01:09:03 america is rejecting
01:09:06 yahshua in today’s world
01:09:09 all the time on a regular basis
01:09:13 and that and that causes cursings and i
01:09:16 believe
01:09:17 we’re going to get cursed well i believe
01:09:20 there’s going to be
01:09:22 yes and i believe that our father
01:09:26 yahweh has he’s
01:09:29 given a season of darkness
01:09:33 and he is hearing the cries of his
01:09:36 people
01:09:37 because of the oppression we have
01:09:40 experienced and i believe
01:09:44 that there’s going to be a season
01:09:47 prosperity before
01:09:52 the evil can take the richness
01:09:56 and prosperity away from the
01:10:00 righteous uh sure i can see that in fact
01:10:04 31 somewhat goes along with what you’re
01:10:06 saying and what i was saying
01:10:08 and behold the time cometh that he
01:10:10 curses your riches
01:10:12 and they become slippery that you cannot
01:10:15 hold them
01:10:16 and in the days of your poverty you
01:10:19 cannot retain them
01:10:20 um so we may be rich for a while but
01:10:24 it’s not going to last
01:10:27 um it’s gonna be taking pause you
01:10:31 and that’s what’s happening to the deep
01:10:34 state now
01:10:36 that’s what’s happening to the evil
01:10:38 kingdoms
01:10:40 that have been oppressing us
01:10:44 and plundering they’re the rich ones
01:10:49 well they’re they’re ultra rich alter
01:10:52 ultra rich the deep
01:10:54 yeah and now it’s becoming
01:10:57 slippery to them
01:11:00 those that have trusted in their riches
01:11:05 are just like
01:11:08 disappearing before their eyes
01:11:14 how so cause i i don’t think that’s
01:11:16 happened yet so i’m just wondering how
01:11:18 why you think it’s happened
01:11:19 oh um okay one example
01:11:23 is is it saudi arabia
01:11:27 where um the military went in and
01:11:31 arrested the princes
01:11:32 because of arabic
01:11:36 well i thought we were talking about the
01:11:37 states not other countries
01:11:40 no it begins there um
01:11:43 the saudi arabia
01:11:47 yeah it’s saudi arabia our military
01:11:55 okay the people went in and arrested
01:11:57 okay
01:11:58 we have been having arrests we’ve been
01:12:01 having an indictment
01:12:03 the evil people’s resources
01:12:06 and money has
01:12:09 been frozen
01:12:12 okay they’re riches
01:12:16 it’s just like the adrenal crohmann
01:12:20 i can’t remember the name
01:12:24 they terrorize the children and they
01:12:27 take from the adrenal gland
01:12:29 as they are torturing yeah
01:12:33 and they use it as a drug to stay
01:12:36 yes and that keeps them
01:12:39 beautiful and young living that’s
01:12:42 their rich riches
01:12:46 okay that’s their gold
01:12:49 i i can it’s becoming slippery
01:12:54 and that’s what i’m witnessing that
01:12:57 their kingdom that they set up
01:13:01 is coming down
01:13:09 i can see that i i don’t know if i would
01:13:11 completely
01:13:12 100 percent agree with you that’s the
01:13:15 riches because i i think
01:13:18 this is talking about the general
01:13:20 people’s riches
01:13:21 i think and not just the elite um
01:13:24 personally but i i see where you’re
01:13:26 coming from
01:13:28 well who is he talking to who did who
01:13:32 was samuel sent to
01:13:35 and who was gathering
01:13:39 after samuel’s message
01:13:44 it’s the guardian robbers
01:13:47 that they deal with
01:13:51 that nephi the servant
01:13:55 that lord uses during that time
01:13:59 period well you know samuel
01:14:03 spoke from on top of a wall i think he
01:14:05 spoke to everyone
01:14:07 um i do think you probably
01:14:10 uh parts that were probably specific
01:14:14 or at least we’re talking to the gadiani
01:14:16 robbers but he was talking to
01:14:18 to everyone because the
01:14:22 followers the nephites were starting to
01:14:25 partake of the ghanaian robbers secret
01:14:28 society
01:14:29 so he was talking not just to the elites
01:14:32 but
01:14:32 all of them personally is what i would
01:14:35 take it as but we’d have to
01:14:38 well conversely tried he tried to mingle
01:14:42 with the people in disguise
01:14:46 okay i think i think you’re thinking of
01:14:49 a benedi
01:14:50 and not sad oh you’re right
01:14:53 you’re right uh bennett either
01:14:57 i don’t remember the word disguise was
01:14:59 actually used
01:15:01 um because i
01:15:04 i’ve come across i think you came on a
01:15:06 high holiday
01:15:09 you know on that high holiday there’s a
01:15:11 tradition to
01:15:13 get in a costume and i think that’s more
01:15:15 what it’s referring to than he was just
01:15:16 trying to
01:15:18 look like he was someone else but
01:15:20 anyways that’s a whole nother
01:15:21 discussion um but i i
01:15:25 i think he came on uh pentecost or
01:15:28 shavuot um uh abinadi
01:15:32 because his light uh shone
01:15:35 like moses did after yeah
01:15:38 so anyways that’s a whole other
01:15:39 discussion but
01:15:41 that point about the disguise was about
01:15:43 abinadi not samuel
01:15:46 okay well i agree and
01:15:49 thank you for uh pointing that out but
01:15:53 he came um and he was teaching the
01:15:57 people
01:15:58 okay but they kicked them out yeah they
01:16:01 didn’t
01:16:02 yeah and then samuel told him to go back
01:16:04 right so he
01:16:06 no the lord told him to go back oh yeah
01:16:08 that’s what i meant the lord told samuel
01:16:10 to go back
01:16:11 i i that’s where i i said one thing
01:16:13 we’re both
01:16:14 i do it too anyways right
01:16:18 no this time he comes
01:16:22 with a prophecy of
01:16:25 the savior coming right yeah in five
01:16:28 years
01:16:29 right but they wouldn’t let him
01:16:33 enter into the city because they had
01:16:35 already kicked them out
01:16:37 no right so that was the purpose of him
01:16:40 climbing
01:16:41 up on the wall right it’s just
01:16:45 the only way the only way you had to
01:16:47 talk to them
01:16:49 right but the ones that were shooting
01:16:52 arrows
01:16:53 i would say that’s the military i would
01:16:56 say
01:16:57 for sure military and or getting any
01:17:00 robbers
01:17:01 i think the general people i think would
01:17:04 not go that
01:17:05 far on
01:17:09 getting him to stop they may just ignore
01:17:11 him
01:17:12 but they would the general people even
01:17:15 if they didn’t believe
01:17:16 him wouldn’t try to kill him for what he
01:17:18 was saying
01:17:19 those are going to be the elites that
01:17:21 are going to try to kill him for what
01:17:22 he’s saying
01:17:24 oh you know and and i agree um
01:17:28 what i’ve been asking in my heart
01:17:32 and asking the lord is
01:17:36 there come a point
01:17:39 where you’ve sent prophets they killed
01:17:42 them
01:17:43 you allowed them to be tortured
01:17:47 to be stoned to be whatever
01:17:51 and they do something
01:17:57 that really ticks you off
01:18:01 and you send a servant
01:18:04 with you have killed the prophets you
01:18:08 have done this
01:18:09 you know he names the sins
01:18:12 and then he says here’s a curse
01:18:16 woe to this city
01:18:20 why why you know
01:18:24 what causes you to get to that
01:18:27 limit what is the last straw
01:18:31 on your you know measuring
01:18:36 stick i don’t have uh
01:18:40 i don’t have scriptures for that i have
01:18:42 some thoughts
01:18:44 but nothing that i know a hundred
01:18:46 percent one way or the other
01:18:48 um i think if we know that if we know
01:18:52 that
01:18:54 then we will know where the united
01:18:57 states
01:18:58 truly is standing
01:19:01 true right before the lord that’s what
01:19:04 i’m
01:19:05 looking at i i can’t prove this from
01:19:08 scriptures but here’s my opinion
01:19:11 it’s when you take away the rights of
01:19:12 the people to worship the way they want
01:19:14 to
01:19:15 which this example of samuel the lame
01:19:18 and i
01:19:19 kind of leads into that because they
01:19:23 the those in charge were going to kill
01:19:25 the people
01:19:26 for believing in samuel lamoni
01:19:29 they were going to kill him but he was
01:19:33 putting a curse on that city
01:19:37 before that because
01:19:41 the string didn’t come
01:19:44 until they had gathered sure the sign
01:19:47 was five years after
01:19:48 uh right was there so my question
01:19:52 is what is the horrible sin
01:19:55 we know belshazzar with daniel
01:20:00 where the lord takes over his kingdom
01:20:04 that night he says
01:20:08 you have been count
01:20:11 count and you’re wanting you’re laughing
01:20:14 yeah you’re found lacking wanting okay
01:20:19 so what and what he did
01:20:23 was he had an orgy and he took
01:20:26 sacred emblems
01:20:30 or you know the cups the things
01:20:34 that were to remind us
01:20:37 well he took the the sacred cups that
01:20:40 were from
01:20:41 the the temple and he got drunken
01:20:44 he yeah
01:20:47 because we were just talking about
01:20:49 drunkenness
01:20:51 yes yes i’m bringing it full circle
01:20:54 oh you’re doing that on purpose
01:20:59 so i i i think
01:21:02 you know like the the leaders statuses
01:21:05 and pharisees
01:21:06 they they were drunken in their false
01:21:09 traditions
01:21:11 and it made them blind to see the real
01:21:14 truth um and i i would say
01:21:18 the majority of even
01:21:21 quote christians are blind because
01:21:25 they like their false traditions more
01:21:27 over the scriptures
01:21:29 yes and so i i
01:21:31 [Music]
01:21:34 on this point where samuel comes and
01:21:36 curses them
01:21:37 i i don’t know where that is um
01:21:40 oh it is something i’ve wondered but i
01:21:43 haven’t put time into
01:21:44 studying it but i do think it’s that
01:21:48 they’re they’ve gone more than just
01:21:51 starting to reject the ways of the lord
01:21:53 they’ve been doing it for a while
01:21:58 and to be honest they don’t study the
01:22:01 scriptures anymore to
01:22:03 to know of his ways i think is
01:22:05 definitely part of it but
01:22:07 that’s a good question i i don’t it’s
01:22:09 something i’ve wondered myself
01:22:12 okay it goes i i was just led
01:22:16 to verse 12 and 21.
01:22:20 want to read it sure i’ll read it
01:22:23 of him in 13 right right
01:22:28 yay woe on to this great city of
01:22:31 zarahemla for behold it is because of
01:22:33 those
01:22:34 who are righteous that it is saved yea
01:22:37 woe unto this great city for i perceive
01:22:40 saith the lord
01:22:42 that there are many yea even the more
01:22:44 part of this great city that will
01:22:46 hearken
01:22:47 that will harden their hearts against me
01:22:50 saith the lord
01:22:52 but blessed are they who will repent
01:22:55 for them will i spare but behold if
01:22:59 it were not for the righteous who are in
01:23:01 the great city behold
01:23:03 i would cause the fires to come down out
01:23:06 of heaven
01:23:06 and destroy it so
01:23:10 that reminds me uh sodom and gomorrah
01:23:14 in fact if i remember correctly we’d
01:23:16 have to go look up verses
01:23:18 i think the angels could
01:23:21 brought up how the city could not be
01:23:23 destroyed in
01:23:25 till lot left it
01:23:29 right because of abraham
01:23:32 abraham was interceding
01:23:35 had an intercessory prayer lord would
01:23:38 you save him if there were fifty
01:23:40 would you save them then he got down to
01:23:42 ten and the lord
01:23:44 yeah but i think more
01:23:47 although lot’s family wasn’t completely
01:23:50 righteous because some of them stayed
01:23:52 and his wife looked back right right
01:23:55 uh the wife liked that lifestyle
01:23:58 right and i think law was more righteous
01:24:01 than the city but
01:24:02 lot had his own problems for example he
01:24:05 had sex with his daughters
01:24:06 right yeah um
01:24:14 yes um but i think in general he was
01:24:17 probably
01:24:18 righteous enough that he had to leave
01:24:22 because abraham got down to one and i
01:24:24 think if you look at that example the
01:24:25 only one
01:24:26 there was only really one that was
01:24:28 somewhat righteous a lot
01:24:30 yeah down to 10 and
01:24:33 god just he wouldn’t answer abraham so i
01:24:37 i don’t think that’s why it was not
01:24:38 destroyed
01:24:40 i think it’s because lot was there like
01:24:42 the angel said you need to leave
01:24:44 so we can do our job um right we’d have
01:24:48 to go look at the exact
01:24:49 wording of that but i think that’s part
01:24:52 of it well
01:24:52 let’s let’s continue 14
01:24:57 okay all the way through
01:25:01 okay well tell me when to stop but
01:25:03 behold
01:25:05 it is for the righteous sake that it is
01:25:08 spared
01:25:09 just just like lot but behold the time
01:25:13 cometh saith the lord that
01:25:15 when you shall cast out the righteous
01:25:17 from among you
01:25:18 which we see we don’t
01:25:22 i don’t see it from the whole country
01:25:24 but i do see it from
01:25:26 churches and various groups that they’re
01:25:29 right they’re not accepted yeah they’re
01:25:32 not accepted i mean i’ve had that happen
01:25:34 to me
01:25:34 a lot so that could be a key right
01:25:38 that could be one yeah i think that’s
01:25:40 definitely part of it
01:25:41 then shall you be ripe for destruction
01:25:46 so ripe doesn’t mean it’s going to be
01:25:48 plucked but you’re you’re
01:25:49 pretty damn close right right about to
01:25:52 get plucked
01:25:54 woe unto you unto this great city
01:25:57 because of the wickedness and
01:25:58 abominations which are
01:26:01 in her yea and woe
01:26:04 unto the city of gideon for the
01:26:06 wickedness and
01:26:07 abominations which are in her
01:26:10 so and i’m thinking of new york i’m
01:26:13 thinking of california
01:26:16 okay las vegas because abominations have
01:26:19 to do with
01:26:22 sex sex yeah i mean that’s not the only
01:26:26 thing that’s considered abominations but
01:26:28 that is
01:26:28 um this the abominable sex acts are
01:26:32 definitely part of the abominations but
01:26:35 and vegas is very famous for that
01:26:39 well we’ve just read there was a key
01:26:42 they’re kicking out the righteous for
01:26:44 sure so
01:26:45 if the righteous are kicked out then the
01:26:47 wicked are playing
01:26:51 um well i think the wickedness and
01:26:54 abominations are always
01:26:56 plain it’s just they don’t want to be
01:26:59 reminded of it by the righteous who were
01:27:02 there
01:27:04 yeah they don’t want their hearts being
01:27:06 pricked right
01:27:08 they don’t want to think about it they
01:27:09 just want to enjoy their pleasures
01:27:11 instead of right being reminded
01:27:14 yeah they they don’t want to try to
01:27:17 change
01:27:18 they don’t even want like i think this
01:27:20 goes along with the unpardonable sin
01:27:22 they don’t even want to be reminded of
01:27:25 what it
01:27:26 should be because they’ve rejected the
01:27:28 plan they don’t even want to be reminded
01:27:31 so that way they may want to repent
01:27:34 well that’s yeah i hear you okay
01:27:38 go ahead uh okay 16.
01:27:41 yay and woe under her all the cities
01:27:45 which are
01:27:46 in the land and roundabout which are
01:27:48 possessed by
01:27:49 the nephites because of the wickedness
01:27:51 and abominations which are
01:27:53 in them so here the nephites in general
01:27:57 in the book of mormon are the righteous
01:27:59 but here
01:28:00 that the ones that generally accepted
01:28:02 the righteous are now
01:28:04 wicked and this is before the second
01:28:06 coming and i’ll be honest
01:28:08 i see that myself i do too
01:28:12 i mean this is a prophecy in my opinion
01:28:14 i mean it happened then
01:28:15 it’s going to happen again nephew
01:28:18 under the sun ecclesiastes
01:28:24 17 and behold a curse shall come upon
01:28:27 the land saith the lord of hosts because
01:28:29 of the people’s sake
01:28:30 who are upon the land yea because of
01:28:33 their wickedness and their abominations
01:28:36 and it shall come to pass saith the lord
01:28:39 of hosts yea
01:28:40 our great and true god that whoso
01:28:43 shall hide up treasures in the earth
01:28:45 shall find them
01:28:46 again no more because of the great curse
01:28:49 of the land
01:28:50 save he be a righteous man and shall
01:28:53 hide it
01:28:54 up unto the lord not that he was right
01:28:57 there’s the balance
01:28:58 okay so there’s a balance there’s one
01:29:01 that can’t hold on to the resources
01:29:06 okay sure then there’s a righteous one
01:29:10 that has the resource the riches
01:29:14 but if they hide it for the purpose
01:29:18 of being one heart one mind
01:29:21 and doing the will of yahweh right right
01:29:25 it’s not just that they’re righteous
01:29:27 it’s the reason why they were doing it
01:29:29 unto the lord for the lord
01:29:32 right for his timing or his way
01:29:36 of doing things but his purposes
01:29:40 and what is that to take care of the
01:29:42 poor yeah
01:29:43 take care of your family and take care
01:29:45 of the poor exactly
01:29:47 okay it’s not to go
01:29:53 yeah exactly
01:29:56 to take care of your needs and some of
01:29:59 your wants
01:30:00 and to take care of the poor and some of
01:30:02 their ones
01:30:04 right okay for i will
01:30:08 sayeth the lord that they shall hide up
01:30:11 their treasures unto me
01:30:12 and causes and curses be they who hide
01:30:16 not their treasures unto me
01:30:18 for none hideth up their treasures unto
01:30:21 me
01:30:22 save it be the righteous and he
01:30:25 that hideth not up his treasures unto me
01:30:28 curseth is he and also the treasure
01:30:32 and none shall redeem it because of the
01:30:35 curse of the lord
01:30:36 meaning none will build to find it
01:30:39 after they
01:30:43 like false um wall street
01:30:48 stocks
01:30:54 because if it was just to build up their
01:30:57 kingdom
01:30:57 and their fun times and pleasures and
01:31:00 sex
01:31:01 sick sick
01:31:04 ways oh yeah well
01:31:08 the majority of wall street is filled
01:31:11 with wicked people who are focused on
01:31:14 money
01:31:15 and their pleasures and not other people
01:31:18 because part of their a lot of them that
01:31:20 have done that are big in there have
01:31:22 actually blatantly stolen from other
01:31:25 people who actually need yes yes
01:31:30 there there’s uh multiple various doc
01:31:35 documentaries slash dramas i mean
01:31:37 because
01:31:38 they hollywood kind of mixes the two
01:31:40 together right
01:31:42 that talk about that they’re
01:31:45 called holly weird yeah that’s
01:31:50 that’s a good way of putting it um
01:31:54 yeah anyways hollywood is full of
01:31:57 priests
01:31:58 of satan priests and priestesses of
01:32:00 satan
01:32:01 and they push his religion yes they do
01:32:04 all over their movies in fact
01:32:09 it’s their preaching of their religion
01:32:12 is their movies
01:32:13 and some of them actually admit to that
01:32:16 how are you
01:32:18 oh did i break up yeah oh
01:32:21 sorry well i was just saying how some of
01:32:24 these these movie stars admit to that
01:32:26 that they’re preaching their religion in
01:32:30 their
01:32:31 movies um yeah
01:32:34 it’s that’s why they put so much effort
01:32:38 okay 20 and the day shall come they
01:32:41 shall hide up the trevor’s
01:32:43 treasures because they have set their
01:32:44 hearts upon riches
01:32:46 and because they have set their hearts
01:32:48 upon their riches and will hide up their
01:32:50 treasures when they
01:32:52 shall flee before their enemies because
01:32:55 they will not
01:32:56 hide them up unto me cursed be they
01:32:59 and also their treasures and in that day
01:33:02 they shall be smitten saith the lord
01:33:08 that reminds me that’s another key
01:33:11 that’s the second key i see
01:33:14 okay um you want to bring it out
01:33:20 yeah it goes with here i’m going to
01:33:24 bless you
01:33:25 i bless the wicked and i bless the the
01:33:28 righteous
01:33:30 i give you agency to see are you going
01:33:33 to acknowledge my hand
01:33:35 are you gonna acknowledge me as your
01:33:37 provider
01:33:40 sure right uh riches come from and i
01:33:44 give it to you so that you can all be
01:33:47 equal
01:33:48 and beings they’re there for you to be
01:33:52 full in spiritual things
01:33:57 sure um
01:34:01 so that that is the second reason i see
01:34:04 now that there’s curse on this city
01:34:09 oh sure sure i i mean it was not
01:34:13 long ago that it came out that the
01:34:15 elders church was hiding a hundred was
01:34:18 it
01:34:18 23 24 billion dollar cash
01:34:21 yeah funds yes um
01:34:25 instead of giving it to the poor you
01:34:27 know what’s sad
01:34:28 they’re saving it for the second coming
01:34:30 yeah
01:34:32 i’ve heard that doesn’t need he doesn’t
01:34:36 need the money
01:34:37 well yeah but you know it’s it’s in cash
01:34:40 it’s
01:34:41 in that cash is going to be strong
01:34:45 destroyed at the second coming how is it
01:34:48 going to be for the second coming if
01:34:49 it’s going to get destroyed because it’s
01:34:52 in some of us babylon’s going to fall oh
01:34:55 yeah
01:34:55 and so but on top of that
01:34:58 god wants us to take care of the poor
01:35:01 now
01:35:02 now in this moment not later
01:35:05 of the need and the cry and i this is
01:35:09 a favorite chapter of mine for this but
01:35:11 alma chapter 1
01:35:13 the last half talks about how the church
01:35:15 got rich
01:35:16 and they turned no one away
01:35:20 yeah from helping even people who
01:35:23 weren’t
01:35:23 members or not believers they still
01:35:25 helped it didn’t matter
01:35:28 they helped and the lds church does not
01:35:29 do that they turn
01:35:31 they even turn members away oh yes
01:35:34 we already went through that years
01:35:37 because
01:35:38 my husband only made ten dollars an hour
01:35:42 and we had five
01:35:45 in our family and
01:35:48 the most we could receive from the
01:35:51 government
01:35:52 was a hundred dollars ninety nine
01:35:54 dollars
01:35:57 okay so and we were feeding the
01:35:59 missionaries
01:36:02 every week because we believed
01:36:07 that that is what we were to do
01:36:10 they were in need and we were willing to
01:36:14 feed you know with whatever we were
01:36:17 eating and i would pray
01:36:20 and ask the father to magnify
01:36:24 what i had to offer his servant
01:36:28 right and he would always
01:36:32 magnify to the point that there were
01:36:34 leftovers
01:36:37 for them to take home oh the
01:36:40 missionaries
01:36:41 yes yes
01:36:45 but we faithfully
01:36:49 paid the tithing believing
01:36:52 that it was going to go to the poor and
01:36:54 when we
01:36:56 would go to the bishop and we got to a
01:36:59 point where
01:37:00 i had broke my town my husband had
01:37:03 fallen for the second time
01:37:06 and then had leukemia we went to the
01:37:10 bishop
01:37:10 and he says and this was the new bishop
01:37:13 and he said
01:37:15 it seems like any time i see you
01:37:18 you’re always needing something
01:37:23 and i looked at my husband
01:37:26 and i shook his i shook my head and it
01:37:30 was like
01:37:32 no
01:37:34 i said no we don’t need anything from
01:37:37 you
01:37:39 and from that point we did without
01:37:44 we would not go and ask
01:37:50 there i i know people like to bring out
01:37:53 how the bishop helps some people but
01:37:56 that’s just enough for people to hang on
01:37:59 to say we help people
01:38:00 but when you look at the whole story
01:38:02 because i know
01:38:03 i i’ve been lucky enough or i haven’t
01:38:05 needed to go to the bishop
01:38:06 for food but i know
01:38:10 lots of people who are friends of mine
01:38:12 that when they have
01:38:13 and they’ve been members their whole
01:38:14 lives dedicated tithe givers
01:38:17 or players but when they needed help
01:38:20 the church slash bishop whatever had
01:38:24 excuses
01:38:25 not to help them well
01:38:28 my husband was told he wasn’t doing all
01:38:31 that he could do
01:38:33 and i lived
01:38:36 a certain way that
01:38:40 i mended all our clothes i made our
01:38:44 bread you know i took care of the
01:38:47 neighbors
01:38:49 i did what our washer
01:38:53 was open to those that didn’t have
01:38:56 washers
01:38:57 huh okay and i could cut hair
01:39:01 so i served that way and did not charge
01:39:06 because i didn’t have a license yet he
01:39:10 gave me that ability
01:39:12 and knowledge and gift
01:39:16 and so we
01:39:19 shocked with how we were treated
01:39:25 and and we from the church and it was
01:39:28 like
01:39:29 i did my calling
01:39:33 what more you know are we to do
01:39:37 but we were never good enough
01:39:40 and when we got food from the bishop
01:39:43 storehouse
01:39:44 it was spoiled i had to throw
01:39:48 majority of the lettuce away
01:39:51 you know cut pieces off of the tomatoes
01:39:55 and i’m not
01:39:55 exaggerating that’s sad any
01:39:59 way and i cry
01:40:02 and i would say father in the scriptures
01:40:06 it says the wants the needs
01:40:09 and the wants and i said i make sure
01:40:15 that my want list
01:40:18 is cut down
01:40:22 so that it doesn’t take from another
01:40:28 well you’re actually giving it the same
01:40:30 time
01:40:32 but i didn’t see it that way it was just
01:40:35 you know we’re all brothers and sisters
01:40:38 and here is somebody
01:40:40 that has less than i do
01:40:44 right and according to king benjamin’s
01:40:48 the message that he received from the
01:40:50 angel whoever petitions before you
01:40:54 you are not to turn away
01:40:58 well unless you don’t have resources but
01:41:01 we both
01:41:02 know but i had church
01:41:05 has plenty of resources
01:41:08 and see i never knew that until
01:41:16 2016.
01:41:18 2016 is when i realized
01:41:21 they get an income
01:41:25 they um have insurance
01:41:29 for their children they have college for
01:41:32 the children
01:41:33 oh the gas yeah yeah yeah they
01:41:37 they they the gas get paid and then
01:41:40 there’s tons of perks like you’re saying
01:41:41 that they get
01:41:42 a car they’re getting
01:41:46 [Music]
01:41:49 all these things that aren’t quote
01:41:51 income but
01:41:52 they they should be counters income
01:41:55 because people like you and me have to
01:41:57 pay for those things where they don’t
01:42:00 anyways i couldn’t even put my children
01:42:03 through summer school to help them with
01:42:06 education but when i started looking at
01:42:11 how they’re living versus how i was told
01:42:15 to live
01:42:16 it was like there is no equality
01:42:20 father and if there’s no equality
01:42:24 in the temporal then there’s
01:42:27 no equality in the spiritual
01:42:31 so we cannot have more
01:42:34 of his gospel no
01:42:38 no i i mean people
01:42:42 reject what’s in the book of mormon as
01:42:44 it is
01:42:45 right now and we’re reading it we’re
01:42:48 reading it
01:42:49 right now they hid up their treasures
01:42:54 how did the leaders hide up their
01:42:57 treasure
01:42:59 one they weren’t transparent oh they
01:43:02 they
01:43:03 were for one they blatantly lied that
01:43:06 they weren’t paid
01:43:07 for a long time yeah
01:43:11 and i repeatedly told my neighbors
01:43:14 we have no paid clergymen
01:43:18 oh i i said that when i was on my
01:43:20 mission because that’s
01:43:21 what i was taught and i believed it
01:43:24 boy was i surprised right i mean the
01:43:27 only reason
01:43:28 that the members know now that they’re
01:43:30 paid is because
01:43:32 mormon leaks um leaked it he broke
01:43:37 people would still
01:43:38 members would still think that they
01:43:40 weren’t paid
01:43:42 oh i broke up lovely internet i was just
01:43:45 saying
01:43:45 the reason why members even know that
01:43:49 the gas and well it’s actually mission
01:43:52 presidents and higher which include gas
01:43:54 are paid is because mormon lakes
01:43:58 leaked it other than that they wouldn’t
01:44:00 know
01:44:04 at least to the extent of it right um
01:44:07 yeah it was it was the culture shock
01:44:11 for uh for uh
01:44:14 and you know you probably know this the
01:44:16 the doctrine covenants
01:44:18 states that bishops should be paid for
01:44:20 their service because
01:44:21 it’s a temporal service what bishops are
01:44:23 supposed to be doing
01:44:25 which what the elderly church have
01:44:27 bishops do yes different
01:44:28 judges yeah they’re judges um
01:44:32 and so they should be paid but they’re
01:44:34 not
01:44:35 they used to be in the church but i i
01:44:37 don’t remember what it changed but
01:44:39 also in the dnc it states that the 12
01:44:42 should not be paid
01:44:43 and then because they’re sent out yeah
01:44:46 they’re
01:44:47 they’re supposed to be like the
01:44:48 disciples in the new testament where
01:44:51 they’re supposed to go out without
01:44:52 a verse or a script yeah they teach but
01:44:55 no
01:44:55 they’re they’ve made themselves in
01:44:57 charge of the church but the dnc
01:44:59 says that they’re not in charge of the
01:45:01 church they’re supposed to do missionary
01:45:03 work
01:45:03 not supposed to be governing the church
01:45:05 but anyways yeah
01:45:07 they’re not supposed to have a
01:45:08 teleprompter you mean
01:45:10 or they’re not supposed to have not by
01:45:14 script
01:45:18 so they’re not supposed to be having
01:45:20 individuals write their talks
01:45:23 oh you mean they don’t write their own
01:45:25 talk spree
01:45:27 no i found out that too i don’t know
01:45:30 and i was like when i was asked to give
01:45:32 a talk i wrote my
01:45:34 own oh yeah same here in fact
01:45:38 i i think it was benson that gave a talk
01:45:41 on
01:45:42 pride i think it was yeah i mean in
01:45:44 general
01:45:45 benson was good but he had his own
01:45:47 problems but he didn’t write that talk
01:45:49 i i’ve come across your granddaughter
01:45:52 did
01:45:53 oh it’s the granddaughter but it was
01:45:54 someone in the family and he took credit
01:45:57 for it
01:45:58 i know and that caused a lot of problems
01:46:01 yeah
01:46:02 i i was shocked it was like
01:46:05 wow father okay so if you read it he
01:46:08 should have
01:46:09 put it to where it came from right but
01:46:11 anyways
01:46:13 absolutely so in verse 20 the second key
01:46:17 i think is and i see
01:46:20 they hide up the treasures they put it
01:46:23 in the bank
01:46:25 get the investment get the interest
01:46:28 well and then they even hit it from the
01:46:30 government because
01:46:31 they said it yeah they did it according
01:46:33 to an organization a non-profit that was
01:46:36 supposed to give a certain percentage
01:46:38 to the poor yeah and they didn’t even do
01:46:41 that which i think is like
01:46:42 five percent right and they didn’t even
01:46:45 do that
01:46:47 they didn’t i know because i lived it
01:46:50 so verse 21. and now
01:46:55 we are suffering because we are told
01:46:58 on our limited income
01:47:02 that we have to have three times
01:47:06 our our rent
01:47:10 for our income we don’t have it
01:47:14 and so it’s like father we have
01:47:18 given for 40 years
01:47:21 i thinking we were given to you
01:47:24 and we can’t even provide
01:47:28 a shelter over our heads
01:47:32 it’s mind-blowing yeah
01:47:36 but the the lds church you know what the
01:47:38 eldest church would say your problem is
01:47:40 you’re not paying tithing bree
01:47:42 that’s yeah poor now i know
01:47:46 and i was poor when i was paying tithing
01:47:48 and fast offering
01:47:50 and on every gift that i had received
01:47:53 because i had a bishop
01:47:56 tell me well if you want gross
01:48:00 blessings then you will pay tithing
01:48:04 off of your gross income yeah
01:48:08 you know members say that that was never
01:48:10 taught but
01:48:11 it was it in fact i’ve come across that
01:48:14 used to be on paper but they took it off
01:48:16 paper because it was against the law to
01:48:17 say
01:48:18 gross and it’s on paper net because
01:48:21 that’s that’s okay within the law
01:48:23 but the bishops teach gross
01:48:27 but it’s just not on paper because then
01:48:28 they can get away with it because it’s
01:48:30 not on paper right
01:48:33 but that’s against technology but dnc
01:48:36 119 which we both know
01:48:38 says surplus yes
01:48:41 after your annual yeah
01:48:47 i’m not so worried about the annual or
01:48:48 monthly personally
01:48:50 i i think it’s annually
01:48:53 technically it is annually personally
01:48:55 i’m not so worried about that point
01:48:57 um but one way or the other it should be
01:49:00 off of your
01:49:01 surplus whether if you do it weekly
01:49:04 monthly or annually
01:49:05 it’s surplus we never in the 40 years
01:49:09 and even now have a surplus
01:49:15 you should be you should be a recipitant
01:49:18 recipient of tithing not a
01:49:21 giver of tithing i mean the book of
01:49:23 mormon states that itself
01:49:25 right yeah and i think it’s an invention
01:49:29 yeah you can look up the verse
01:49:32 where he says if you have it
01:49:36 then you give it if you don’t you wish
01:49:39 that you could have it so you can give
01:49:42 it
01:49:43 well the one that i’m thinking of is in
01:49:46 mosiah 18
01:49:47 27 29 um oh i’m thinking
01:49:50 most i four yeah i i think
01:49:54 they have they ring true with each other
01:49:59 though um but here’s
01:50:02 um i can read it real quick
01:50:05 mosiah 18 27-29
01:50:09 yeah and again emma commanded that the
01:50:12 people of the church
01:50:13 should in part of their substance
01:50:16 everyone
01:50:16 according to what she had
01:50:20 if he had more abundantly he should
01:50:22 impart
01:50:23 more abundance and of him that had
01:50:28 but little little should be required and
01:50:31 to him that
01:50:32 that had not so meaning no extra
01:50:36 should be given so he didn’t have to
01:50:38 give if he didn’t have anything
01:50:41 right 28 and thus they should impart of
01:50:44 their citizens
01:50:44 of their own free will and good
01:50:48 desires towards god not because you’re
01:50:50 forced to or because you have to to go
01:50:53 to the temple
01:50:54 or whatnot it’s on their own good will
01:50:58 not being because they were constrained
01:51:02 and to those priests that stood in need
01:51:05 yea to every needy naked
01:51:08 soul and this he said
01:51:11 unto them having been commanded of god
01:51:14 and they did walk uprightly before god
01:51:17 imparting to one another not to the
01:51:20 church
01:51:20 to one another right right both temples
01:51:23 send it to you mean utah
01:51:27 uh yeah i mean
01:51:30 i i can’t read another verse fair
01:51:34 yeah yeah i can hear since did you bring
01:51:37 that up let me bring up
01:51:38 another verse that i like well let’s
01:51:40 finish this first
01:51:42 okay okay imparting to one another
01:51:45 both temporary and spiritually according
01:51:47 to their
01:51:48 needs and their wives and
01:51:51 their wants yeah um
01:51:55 see i actually had release side
01:51:58 presidents come in and
01:52:02 scan my cupboards and then
01:52:05 when i would say i need this or i need
01:52:08 that because
01:52:09 my body i had a heart rate of 300
01:52:14 and i couldn’t eat the heavy meat
01:52:17 and i couldn’t eat you know the sweets
01:52:21 and the donuts and the stuff that they
01:52:23 wanted to impart and i would ask for
01:52:26 10 pounds of bananas
01:52:30 10 pounds of apples because i would
01:52:33 commend
01:52:33 them did the bishop’s warehouse give out
01:52:36 um donuts pastries
01:52:40 oh yeah pastries i didn’t know that oh
01:52:43 yeah
01:52:44 yeah all right but i couldn’t
01:52:49 um benefit from them
01:52:54 my body would be weaker
01:52:58 if i did that and so my bishop
01:53:01 and my reason city president would say
01:53:04 you don’t need 10 pounds of bananas
01:53:09 you only need five pounds of
01:53:12 bananas that contradicts this
01:53:15 verse in the book of mormon that they
01:53:17 claim to believe
01:53:19 yeah um
01:53:23 and then and you know just
01:53:26 go on they’re giving you donuts which is
01:53:28 full of processed sugar
01:53:30 which they claim word of wisdom says
01:53:32 don’t
01:53:33 anything addictive and you know the most
01:53:35 addictive substance there is
01:53:38 it’s processed sugar it’s more addictive
01:53:41 than
01:53:41 cocaine yeah and so
01:53:45 in mosiah 4 24
01:53:52 okay he says again i say unto the poor
01:53:57 you who have not and
01:54:01 yet have sufficient that you remain from
01:54:05 day
01:54:06 to day i mean all you who deny
01:54:10 the beggar because you have
01:54:13 not i would
01:54:16 that you say in your hearts
01:54:20 that i give not because
01:54:23 i have not but if
01:54:27 i had i would give
01:54:31 yeah that’s a good point because that’s
01:54:33 going off of um
01:54:35 surplus right there you you don’t have
01:54:37 extra surplus
01:54:39 so i’m gonna have to add that that’s a
01:54:42 yeah um
01:54:46 again okay again
01:54:50 can i continue yeah yeah go ahead okay
01:54:53 and now if you say this
01:54:56 in your hearts you remain guiltless
01:55:01 but see the bishop said i was guilty
01:55:06 okay and i would read this the lord
01:55:08 would show me this
01:55:09 time and time again and i’m like but i
01:55:12 don’t understand
01:55:14 i’m not getting the food i need
01:55:18 because they’re saying i can’t
01:55:21 have it so other curiosity did the
01:55:24 bishop ever
01:55:25 tell you how your husband should change
01:55:28 things so that what he
01:55:29 could be doing yeah he was to get
01:55:33 another job
01:55:34 oh okay even though that’s said than
01:55:38 done
01:55:38 um yeah yeah
01:55:41 and we had one car we’ve always had an
01:55:45 old car
01:55:46 you know we have a 12 year old car now
01:55:50 that’s over 200 000 miles
01:55:54 we live very very
01:55:57 frugally sure i i don’t like buying new
01:56:01 cars either i think they’re a waste of
01:56:03 money
01:56:05 anyways yeah okay so he says
01:56:09 otherwise so he says if you say this in
01:56:12 your heart you remain guiltless
01:56:14 otherwise you are condemned
01:56:18 and your condemnation is just
01:56:22 for ye covet that which you have
01:56:25 not received so that goes along back to
01:56:28 the torah
01:56:30 you don’t envy yeah yeah
01:56:33 that’s a very good point um okay but
01:56:37 real quick before we go a little more i
01:56:39 think it’s important that it
01:56:41 says that even though you don’t have say
01:56:44 that you would
01:56:45 because yeah deuteronomy 28 torah
01:56:48 which is then also taught in moroni 7 it
01:56:51 states that you should
01:56:53 desire to it’s not that you just keep
01:56:55 the commandments but that you should
01:56:57 desire
01:56:58 to keep the commandments it’s so action
01:57:01 is part of it but
01:57:02 the intent is another part of it
01:57:05 and i think it’s huge that one last part
01:57:08 right there is bringing out
01:57:09 if it’s your intent to give if you could
01:57:12 right i think it’s bringing that out but
01:57:15 anyways
01:57:16 right exactly
01:57:20 okay well i do like how you brought up
01:57:22 the covetedness
01:57:23 on that i hadn’t thought about that on
01:57:25 verse 25 that’s a good point
01:57:28 because that’s part of the ten
01:57:29 commandments right yes
01:57:31 absolutely and this is the whole
01:57:36 every time we get together
01:57:39 we are discussing how
01:57:43 to understand his commandments what they
01:57:47 are how important they are
01:57:52 and why he gave them to us
01:57:56 oh yeah i i agree i just i was
01:57:59 giving you a compliment i hadn’t
01:58:01 connected 25 to the
01:58:03 covetedness in the 10 commandments i
01:58:07 so i was i was just trying to say that
01:58:09 was a good find and good connection
01:58:15 okay i’m looking for why is
01:58:18 there a blessing and why there is a
01:58:20 curse
01:58:22 what commandments did they break
01:58:24 themselves against
01:58:27 what commandments are we breaking
01:58:29 ourselves
01:58:32 against that
01:58:35 the land would be cursed and
01:58:38 what do we need to return to
01:58:42 so we can receive that blessing
01:58:45 sure i i personally haven’t worried
01:58:47 about the curse in mind so
01:58:48 verse 26 okay 26
01:58:53 uh i’ll read it and now for the sake of
01:58:56 these things which i have spoken
01:58:58 unto you that is for the sake of
01:59:01 retaining a remission of your sins from
01:59:03 day to day
01:59:05 that you may walk guiltless before god i
01:59:07 would that you should
01:59:08 impart of your substance to the poor it
01:59:11 doesn’t say keep it for the second
01:59:13 coming
01:59:14 it says in part of your substance to the
01:59:16 poor
01:59:18 every man according to that which he
01:59:20 hath
01:59:21 such as feeding the hungry clothing the
01:59:24 naked
01:59:25 visiting the sick and the administering
01:59:28 to their relief both spiritually and
01:59:30 temporarily according to their wants so
01:59:33 one thing i want to bring out on
01:59:35 administering
01:59:36 is that that’s a personal thing that you
01:59:38 do one-on-one that’s not something you
01:59:41 have someone else go do for you we can
01:59:44 go look it up in the 1828 dictionary
01:59:46 if you want to well it goes
01:59:49 back to what you were saying the church
01:59:53 was saying have
01:59:54 faith not to be healed
01:59:57 what did this say here administering to
02:00:01 their relief
02:00:03 yes and i
02:00:06 it doesn’t actually say this well
02:00:08 visiting the sick and ministering to
02:00:10 their relief well i guess that
02:00:12 it’s right that relief is connected to
02:00:14 the sick so
02:00:16 and the relief would be the healing yeah
02:00:18 actually i want to look up that word now
02:00:20 so let me
02:00:21 let’s look up the minister and then
02:00:23 let’s look up because that that
02:00:25 that’s a good point um so
02:00:28 administer to act as a minister or chief
02:00:32 agent in managing public affairs or
02:00:35 under laws or constitute okay to
02:00:37 dispense
02:00:38 as to minister justice or the sacrament
02:00:42 to afford give or furnish to administer
02:00:46 relief that’s interesting going along
02:00:49 with over here
02:00:50 we should study relief yeah we’re gonna
02:00:52 do relief next
02:00:54 that is to act as the agent this is the
02:00:58 part i want to be
02:00:59 you’re the one doing it act as the agent
02:01:01 to administer medicine as to direct
02:01:04 and to cause to be it to be taken
02:01:07 so you’re it’s the person actually doing
02:01:09 it right
02:01:11 to give as an oath the cause is where
02:01:13 according to the law
02:01:15 to contribute to bring aid or supplies
02:01:20 to add something as shade
02:01:23 administers to our comfort um
02:01:26 to perform the office of the minister
02:01:29 and the ministers
02:01:30 upon the estate of be
02:01:33 i don’t understand that but i think
02:01:37 uh for one thing that we’re seeing is
02:01:39 it’s something that you personally do
02:01:41 right it’s not something you have
02:01:43 someone else do for you
02:01:45 right let’s go look at relief because
02:01:48 that
02:01:51 points you brought that out and i think
02:01:53 that’s a good point that you bring out
02:01:55 the removal and whole or part of any
02:01:58 evil
02:01:59 that afflicts the body
02:02:02 of the
02:02:03 [Music]
02:02:07 can you read that again sure i’ll start
02:02:09 at the beginning again
02:02:11 the removal and whole or in part of any
02:02:14 evil that afflicts
02:02:16 the body of mind the removal
02:02:19 or alleviation of pain well that’s
02:02:23 or grief or want or
02:02:26 care or an anxiety toy
02:02:29 or toil or distress of any
02:02:33 thing oppressive like not having food
02:02:38 or burdensome as it’s being hard to get
02:02:41 food
02:02:41 right by which some
02:02:45 ease is obtained so meaning help them
02:02:48 make it easier
02:02:49 for you not not give you a hard time for
02:02:52 asking
02:02:53 right rest gives
02:02:57 relief to the body when weary and
02:03:00 an antidote gives relief
02:03:04 from pain the symptoms of friends
02:03:07 offer some relief to the distress a loan
02:03:10 of money to a man
02:03:12 embarrassed may afford him a temporary
02:03:15 relief
02:03:16 medicines which will not cure a disease
02:03:19 sometimes give a partial relief
02:03:23 a complete relief from the troubles of
02:03:26 life is never to be expected
02:03:30 two that which mitigates or removes pain
02:03:35 relief or other evil
02:03:38 [Music]
02:03:39 three the diminished
02:03:43 of sentiment from his post
02:03:47 whose place is supplied by another
02:03:49 soldier also the person who takes his
02:03:51 place so that’s basically a job
02:03:54 somebody going to take over your it’s
02:03:56 your shift is over
02:03:57 right right right four in
02:04:01 sub sculpture
02:04:04 etc the projection or prominence of a
02:04:07 figure above or beyond
02:04:09 the ground or plane on which is that
02:04:13 form sorry go ahead
02:04:17 you want to repeat one oh okay uh
02:04:20 so probably internet problems in the in
02:04:22 sculpture etc the
02:04:25 projector or prominence of a figure
02:04:27 above or beyond the ground
02:04:29 or plane on which it is formed
02:04:33 relief of three kinds okay well that
02:04:35 doesn’t have to do what we’re talking
02:04:36 about
02:04:37 in painting appearance or projection of
02:04:40 the degree of boldness with the figure
02:04:42 it
02:04:43 exhibits to the eye at a distance
02:04:47 six in feudal law of fine
02:04:51 all right bree we’re supposed to find
02:04:53 the poor
02:04:56 i’m kidding i mean look
02:05:00 leave the 99 that’s already
02:05:03 in the pasture and eating and the ones
02:05:07 that is gone that’s
02:05:11 not having the grain pasture
02:05:15 oh i know i’m kidding i’m just saying
02:05:17 maybe that’s how they’re taking the
02:05:19 i know that they’re in my mind
02:05:24 but yeah yeah i i don’t believe that i
02:05:26 was just being sarcastic
02:05:27 um seven i know a red me
02:05:31 um partial or total for any wrong
02:05:35 suffering suffered redress
02:05:39 and defilement he applied to
02:05:42 chancery but could not get no relief
02:05:45 his petitions to the legislator obtained
02:05:48 relief
02:05:50 the exposure of anything by proximity of
02:05:54 something else
02:05:56 so some of these definitions don’t apply
02:05:59 but i do think
02:06:00 the ones that do apply have to be about
02:06:02 how you’re helping
02:06:04 someone either you know getting rid of
02:06:06 their sickness or making
02:06:07 so their sickness is not so prominent
02:06:10 and it’s not a
02:06:13 hurting them or getting rid of the pain
02:06:16 right right um so
02:06:20 spiritual or temporal so
02:06:24 for sure yeah i can see how that could
02:06:27 be healing this sick
02:06:28 i hadn’t read it that way before but i
02:06:30 can see how that could be
02:06:31 healing the sick which
02:06:35 sadly even though the eldest church
02:06:37 claims they have the power to heal the
02:06:38 sick
02:06:39 i’ve never seen it and
02:06:42 [Music]
02:06:43 sherry dew has talked about how you
02:06:45 should go see medical doctors
02:06:47 why do you need to do that if the power
02:06:49 to heal actually works
02:06:53 yeah i think that’s a mission that the
02:06:56 power of the pre
02:06:57 of their priesthood doesn’t heal people
02:06:58 like they claim it does
02:07:01 right where are the fruits in fact
02:07:04 you know with all the pandemic
02:07:07 supposedly pandemic going on right now
02:07:09 why did the church call back all the
02:07:11 missionaries instead of have them go out
02:07:13 and heal everybody
02:07:15 exactly they don’t have that power as
02:07:17 they claim
02:07:18 and they know it and yeah minister
02:07:21 the the relief
02:07:24 spiritually and temporarily yeah
02:07:28 yeah and visiting the sick and
02:07:31 administering to the relief so i do
02:07:33 think you’re right that’s referring to
02:07:36 the sick healing the sick so
02:07:39 so back to helaman
02:07:43 13 they’re cursed
02:07:46 because of the riches and they set their
02:07:49 hearts upon them
02:07:50 how do we do that today can you go to a
02:07:53 doctor
02:07:55 you have to have riches my husband
02:07:58 because you even have to have insurance
02:07:59 before most doctors believe
02:08:01 thank you consider because yeah
02:08:05 because i now am getting social security
02:08:09 he’s now cut off of his insurance
02:08:13 what remember i told you well you
02:08:15 remember i told you
02:08:17 because i don’t remember all the details
02:08:19 but i remember something with you having
02:08:20 to go see the dentist
02:08:22 and a bill because i i don’t remember
02:08:24 all the details
02:08:26 um right but i remember something like
02:08:29 that
02:08:30 it was because i signed for my
02:08:34 social security under my husband
02:08:38 because we were given being given
02:08:41 the money they turned around and said
02:08:45 now
02:08:46 that amount that
02:08:49 they gave to me they didn’t say
02:08:53 oh you know because you’re getting this
02:08:55 now you know you got to give it to us
02:08:57 no they just said your income has
02:09:00 increased
02:09:02 so therefore if you want him
02:09:06 insured you have to give 300 dollars
02:09:10 to us yeah that makes no sense to me
02:09:12 because
02:09:13 so it was like it was as if we didn’t
02:09:16 get anything
02:09:20 it was like what just happened
02:09:24 it’s like they’re trying to keep people
02:09:26 poor i
02:09:27 so i i’m oppressed
02:09:31 right yeah that’s actually a better word
02:09:33 of putting it because
02:09:35 their goal is more of oppression than
02:09:37 poor it’s just
02:09:39 poor goes along with that but first of
02:09:42 all
02:09:42 i don’t think the government has any
02:09:44 right to steal from anybody
02:09:46 including myself to supposedly give
02:09:49 some to other people because they take a
02:09:51 big chunk out of it before they give it
02:09:53 to other people
02:09:54 but that’s no they don’t they don’t get
02:09:57 to decide
02:09:58 that’s our decision
02:10:01 that’s our responsibility to help the
02:10:04 poor not the governments
02:10:06 it’s it’s my responsibility which even
02:10:09 though they’re
02:10:10 quote doing it for me i still do it
02:10:13 um where i can afford to but
02:10:16 right i know it’s acknowledge
02:10:20 the government’s job to do that in fact
02:10:22 that
02:10:23 the government supposedly doing it it
02:10:26 then makes people feel entitled
02:10:29 and then it makes people think that
02:10:31 they’re actually helping the poor when
02:10:32 they’re actually
02:10:33 are not and so it gets us into this
02:10:36 pride cycle like oh i gave to the
02:10:37 government i’ve helped the poor
02:10:40 yeah yeah anyways
02:10:43 that i’ve come across studies that when
02:10:46 countries didn’t
02:10:47 have the government do it and the people
02:10:49 just did it themselves through just
02:10:51 local charities
02:10:53 they were taken care of they were taken
02:10:55 care of and people got
02:10:56 jobs because they knew they couldn’t
02:10:58 they weren’t
02:11:00 uh being entitled because they had to
02:11:02 justify
02:11:03 to the people who were giving where the
02:11:05 government you follow a couple
02:11:07 qualifications
02:11:08 there’s no real oversight you mark a
02:11:11 couple check
02:11:12 park marks and you’re you’ve got it and
02:11:15 it’s either it’s all or nothing
02:11:16 in the cur yeah government system you’re
02:11:20 you’re enticed to stay on it because
02:11:22 even if you get a little bit and then
02:11:24 you lose it all
02:11:25 it should be if the government should do
02:11:27 it which it shouldn’t but if it did do
02:11:29 it it should be graduated
02:11:31 meaning right according to what you’re
02:11:33 making not just
02:11:34 all or nothing like it is right now but
02:11:37 well we lived
02:11:38 around people that they purposely
02:11:43 did not go and get a
02:11:46 job and get paid a certain
02:11:49 amount because they got more
02:11:53 food stamps they got their rent
02:11:56 taken care of they got their doctor
02:11:59 bills taken care of they got free
02:12:01 babysitting
02:12:03 yeah and i don’t completely black people
02:12:06 because looking at their
02:12:10 where they’re at right to some degree i
02:12:12 wouldn’t say all of them but some of
02:12:14 them are like
02:12:15 i do this i get less i do this i get
02:12:17 more
02:12:18 if they’re really trying to take care of
02:12:19 their family they’re caught between a
02:12:22 rock and a hard spot
02:12:23 they’re yeah they are well there’s other
02:12:26 people i do think there’s other people
02:12:28 that do take advantage of it
02:12:30 um on purpose rather than because
02:12:32 they’re trying to take care of the
02:12:32 family
02:12:34 um yeah but the government
02:12:37 like you bring out makes it hard for
02:12:40 those who are trying to take care of
02:12:41 their families to actually do it
02:12:43 and try to get out of it
02:12:47 um and i think it’s set up that way on
02:12:50 purpose
02:12:50 to be honest oh absolutely
02:12:53 that is the whole plan because then it
02:12:57 you need us yeah
02:13:00 and um i think it’s early and they can
02:13:04 take it away
02:13:05 yeah they can take it and they can take
02:13:07 it away yeah
02:13:08 i think it’s early third nephi that
02:13:12 talks about how
02:13:13 those in the gedianne and robbers or
02:13:16 basically those who are in charge
02:13:18 uh gave part of their spoil to others to
02:13:21 uphold them and that’s partly what
02:13:23 uh what’s going on with that because you
02:13:27 build them up
02:13:28 i i remember i don’t remember when this
02:13:32 was
02:13:32 i but i remember people getting obama
02:13:36 phones the poor
02:13:38 and they got oh yeah yeah yeah
02:13:42 i can’t remember when that was but i
02:13:44 remember
02:13:46 people getting obama phones to vote
02:13:49 we lived we lived
02:13:52 around um
02:13:56 more of
02:13:59 those that came in from mexico
02:14:07 and you know when you go and get food
02:14:11 stamps
02:14:12 they’re always asking your race
02:14:16 you’re always asking what say that again
02:14:18 your race
02:14:20 oh what does race happen you know
02:14:24 exactly and so
02:14:26 it’s always an agenda and
02:14:30 we whites couldn’t get
02:14:33 what the mexicans or the blacks
02:14:37 could get yeah that’s that’s ridiculous
02:14:41 to me um so it causes
02:14:45 you know here we are to strive for
02:14:49 equality
02:14:52 and um
02:14:56 there is such a division there’s a
02:14:59 division
02:15:01 that is among the believers
02:15:05 and in order for this curse to be
02:15:08 removed from our land the believers have
02:15:12 to be shaken
02:15:14 and reminded to go back to his
02:15:17 commandments
02:15:18 and what we are studying right now
02:15:22 and reading
02:15:26 these are his commandments oh yeah
02:15:31 you mean no prophets can change it
02:15:34 breathe no
02:15:37 i’m sorry
02:15:40 that’s too bad that makes it harder yeah
02:15:44 they they can’t counteract what
02:15:47 the previous prophet said god doesn’t
02:15:50 work that way honey
02:15:52 use this change yesterday yeah
02:15:55 contradict
02:15:56 that’s right he is the same
02:16:00 yesterday today and tomorrow
02:16:03 oh he doesn’t walk in crooked paths yeah
02:16:06 one of my favorites is in second he
02:16:08 fight
02:16:08 29 or you know those who believe in the
02:16:11 book of mormon
02:16:12 love to quote a bible a bible right but
02:16:14 he also says in there
02:16:18 yeah it’s pokemon bookmore but he
02:16:20 teaches the same thing to
02:16:21 one nation unto another and so
02:16:25 if you think the law is changing how
02:16:28 can you be teaching the same thing from
02:16:30 one nation to another if it’s changing
02:16:32 it’s not it’s non-changing
02:16:35 you are absolutely right he says
02:16:38 i give him the same words
02:16:42 so if he’s given him the same words he’s
02:16:45 given the same statues the same
02:16:49 judgments the same gospel
02:16:52 oh yeah it it it doesn’t change
02:16:56 i’m just bringing that out because they
02:16:57 like to quote this part but they want to
02:16:59 ignore this
02:17:00 other part that’s just in the same
02:17:02 general areas the one they love to quote
02:17:04 with people
02:17:06 who don’t believe the book of mormon but
02:17:09 i mean if you look a little more
02:17:11 it’s telling you some more insights
02:17:13 there that you’re
02:17:14 ignoring but real quick before we go
02:17:17 you are correct i want to get back in
02:17:20 and read the one how
02:17:21 tithing should stay locally and so this
02:17:24 is from torah
02:17:26 but every deuteronomy 26 12
02:17:29 when thou has made an end of tithing
02:17:33 and all the tithes of thine increase the
02:17:36 third year
02:17:37 which is the year of tithing and has
02:17:40 given
02:17:40 unto the levite the stranger so this is
02:17:43 kind of bringing out
02:17:44 not all your tithing you’re supposed to
02:17:46 give to the levites
02:17:48 some of you are right you’re supposed to
02:17:50 give to the people directly
02:17:52 yourselves is partly what this is
02:17:53 bringing out and some of the tithing
02:17:55 goes
02:17:56 to keep the high holidays and actually
02:17:58 some tithing is to go get things that
02:18:00 you personally want
02:18:02 anyways but the stranger their father is
02:18:04 in the will that they meet
02:18:07 sir go ahead
02:18:13 sorry um so it has given unto the levi
02:18:17 the stranger so just people on the
02:18:19 street random people
02:18:21 right the fatherless people who doesn’t
02:18:24 have someone to take care of them
02:18:27 oh you still don’t hear me you’re still
02:18:30 breaking up
02:18:31 oh let’s let me check my battery on my
02:18:34 headset
02:18:35 no the battery is fine okay it’s not
02:18:37 that it must be internet
02:18:40 um so what what chapter are we in
02:18:45 you broken deuteronomy 26 12
02:18:50 26 12. okay so
02:18:53 so i’ll just say this real quick if
02:18:55 anybody wants to start studying
02:18:57 torah um deuteronomy is
02:19:00 i would suggest the one to start because
02:19:03 this is moses
02:19:05 giving good summaries of laws and
02:19:09 out of torah deuteronomy is the one that
02:19:11 yeshua quotes the most
02:19:13 is deuteronomy but anyways yeah you find
02:19:17 your diet
02:19:18 you find your life
02:19:21 style that you’re supposed to literally
02:19:24 lift yeah it’s a summary of all the
02:19:29 previous chapters it’s i don’t think it
02:19:32 says anything new anyways
02:19:33 um but i’ll continue and the fatherless
02:19:36 and the widow
02:19:38 which i i mean i think it’s proverbs or
02:19:41 psalms
02:19:41 and joseph smith talk about how pure
02:19:44 religion is to help the
02:19:45 widows and the fatherless right
02:19:48 right that you know here’s the part that
02:19:51 i’m going to bring out that says stay
02:19:52 within the
02:19:53 keep it local that they may eat within
02:19:56 thy gates and be
02:19:59 filled so not not barely
02:20:03 have to be around you yeah it’s people
02:20:05 around you because
02:20:06 you i mean i don’t know about you my
02:20:08 gait doesn’t go around the whole world
02:20:10 but anyways right and to be filled
02:20:13 meaning to have enough right right
02:20:17 not just one that you’re you’re still
02:20:19 getting some but you’re still hungry but
02:20:20 you’re
02:20:21 filled you’re not hungry anymore
02:20:24 just like it talks about in the
02:20:25 sacrament sacramento so you’ll be filled
02:20:29 anyways but right the part that i bring
02:20:32 out here
02:20:33 is that they may eat within thy gates
02:20:36 tithing is to stay
02:20:37 local not also the salt lake corporation
02:20:42 yes uh
02:20:45 my wife needs help give me a couple
02:20:47 minutes okay
02:22:07 so before i was going on how
02:22:10 tithing should be local and that even
02:22:13 the lds church
02:22:14 used to have tithings be local at least
02:22:17 i’ve read that was before my time
02:22:19 it was later that they started sending
02:22:22 it all the corporate
02:22:23 salt lake headquarters right all
02:22:26 the time yeah but
02:22:29 that was that was before my day i’ve
02:22:32 only known that
02:22:32 from study and reading
02:22:36 but i
02:22:39 anyways tithing stay local
02:22:43 that people may be filled
02:22:47 um this goes
02:22:52 along with i i just opened up
02:22:55 my scriptures while you were gone okay
02:22:58 and this is jeremiah 6
02:23:02 talking about how the lord gives
02:23:06 to the people the same
02:23:09 words right yeah okay
02:23:13 he teaches the same principles and
02:23:15 concepts right to everybody absolutely
02:23:18 absolutely and so he says
02:23:21 from the verse 13
02:23:24 from far for from the least
02:23:28 of them even unto the greatest of them
02:23:31 everyone is given to covetousness
02:23:34 and from the prophet even unto the
02:23:37 priests
02:23:38 everyone dealeth falsely
02:23:42 [Music]
02:23:43 they have healed also the hurt
02:23:47 of the daughter of my people slight
02:23:51 lee saying peace
02:23:54 peace when there is no peace in other
02:23:58 words it’s okay
02:23:59 to have faith not to be healed
02:24:02 right right it’s i think it’s have
02:24:05 healed
02:24:06 the hurt but only slightly meaning they
02:24:09 didn’t really heal
02:24:11 they just basically tried to make them
02:24:14 feel better
02:24:15 even though nothing changed right
02:24:18 yeah yeah
02:24:21 yeah i i thought that was interesting
02:24:25 uh that’s a good verse i i don’t know
02:24:27 jeremiah as well as i
02:24:30 i love jeremiah because
02:24:33 i wanted i wanted to understand jeremiah
02:24:37 because he lived during the time
02:24:40 of king zedekiah lehigh being
02:24:44 removed
02:24:47 and babylon coming in
02:24:50 and he had to live in captivity
02:24:53 oh yeah yeah well so
02:24:57 a lot of people are the one thing i like
02:25:00 about jeremiah
02:25:01 i bring out on him is how a lot of
02:25:03 people are like
02:25:04 oh prophets don’t go around teaching
02:25:07 repentance and calling people to
02:25:08 repentance and making them feel bad i’m
02:25:10 like
02:25:11 have you read jeremiah because i i mean
02:25:14 i
02:25:15 i’m no expert in it but i know there’s
02:25:16 that i think most people who know a
02:25:18 little bit
02:25:19 at least a little jeremiah know that he
02:25:21 calls
02:25:22 the israelites to repentance on a
02:25:25 regular basis
02:25:27 oh yeah yeah
02:25:31 it it’s amazing and he
02:25:35 he entered seeds
02:25:38 you know pleading he doesn’t just point
02:25:42 out but
02:25:42 you could see his heart how heavy
02:25:46 and burdensome it is
02:25:50 okay so we have
02:25:53 jumped around let’s go back to verse
02:25:57 22 in helaman 13
02:26:01 and finish up and then
02:26:04 we’ll understand why there’s a curse
02:26:08 upon the lamb okay so
02:26:12 22 ye do not remember
02:26:15 that the lord your god and the things
02:26:18 which he hath blessed you
02:26:19 but ye do always remember your riches
02:26:22 not to thank the lord your god for them
02:26:25 yeah your hearts are
02:26:26 drawn out unto the lord are not
02:26:30 oh sorry my hearts are not drawn
02:26:33 unto the lord but they do swell
02:26:36 with great pride unto boasting
02:26:39 and unto great swelling envenings
02:26:43 strifes mouths persecutions murders and
02:26:46 all manner of iniquities
02:26:48 which some of those definitely go along
02:26:50 with the
02:26:52 getting in and robbers i mean anyways
02:26:55 and us it divides us against race
02:26:59 it divides us against religion it
02:27:01 divides
02:27:02 us against um universities our education
02:27:08 and it divides us against
02:27:11 what our bank account what we can
02:27:13 provide
02:27:15 you know our income
02:27:18 [Music]
02:27:20 all of it is to turn
02:27:23 one against another
02:27:29 let me read it again
02:27:30 [Music]
02:27:41 so prime
02:27:44 well boasting definitely uh causes
02:27:47 division
02:27:48 because education i’m smarter than you
02:27:52 i have more than you sure uh that would
02:27:55 be
02:27:56 a good part of pride and boasting right
02:27:59 um great swellings um
02:28:03 i’m not sure what that would mean in
02:28:05 this context to be honest
02:28:07 let’s look it up yeah that’s a good i
02:28:10 was just doing that
02:28:14 i i mean in general i know what the word
02:28:16 means right
02:28:17 but right
02:28:20 it’s well oh no there’s
02:28:30 when i see boasting
02:28:32 [Music]
02:28:33 that is taking glory
02:28:37 to self and not turning
02:28:41 it to the creator
02:28:46 i could see that um
02:28:48 [Music]
02:28:49 i’d have to go check the the actual
02:28:51 definition but i i can see yeah
02:28:53 but here’s swelling um
02:28:56 okay participle present tense growing
02:29:00 and enlarging in its dimensions
02:29:02 okay sure that makes sense growing tumid
02:29:06 inflating growing tumid
02:29:09 inflating growing or making louder okay
02:29:12 making louder
02:29:13 could be part of this right because
02:29:15 they’re boasting and then getting louder
02:29:17 about it
02:29:18 so their voice has to be hurt right
02:29:22 they force it on you could be
02:29:25 i mean they’re let’s continue reading
02:29:27 the definition but that that
02:29:28 that would make some sense right
02:29:31 especially considering the word just
02:29:33 happened onto boasting and unto
02:29:35 and under great swelling meaning you
02:29:38 you’ve got to know
02:29:39 about me right you are a morbid
02:29:43 enlargement of the natural size as
02:29:45 swelling on the head or leg
02:29:49 prominence uh they want to be known
02:29:51 because promise us about being known
02:29:53 right okay the
02:29:58 superfluence of such plates are even not
02:30:00 even
02:30:01 okay on this one a rising an enlargement
02:30:04 by
02:30:05 passion as the swelling of anger grief
02:30:08 or pride
02:30:10 uh passion they i i could see that so
02:30:14 the way i think it reminds me
02:30:21 and um was it
02:30:25 it wasn’t courthouse uh sharon
02:30:30 hmm
02:30:33 okay how he posted
02:30:37 to the point of
02:30:40 his preaching and then he swelled
02:30:43 he became so passionate and loud
02:30:46 and gideon was so old
02:30:49 at that time that he couldn’t withstand
02:30:53 the blows
02:30:54 from the sword his body was so weak
02:30:59 and they kill he killed him
02:31:02 yeah that’s like alma 2 or so right
02:31:05 yeah yeah um let’s see
02:31:11 almost but that kind of reminds me
02:31:16 of what
02:31:20 happened it was
02:31:24 was it me no uh not
02:31:27 after new orleans it wasn’t right
02:31:30 but it was someone after the order of
02:31:32 nehor but it was
02:31:35 the gideon from nehor is what i’m saying
02:31:41 yeah um right
02:31:44 i i yes i it’s it’s from that
02:31:48 time um i i don’t i don’t remember if
02:31:52 gideon is mentioned in alma one where
02:31:54 nehor comes out though
02:31:58 yeah gideon is there okay so gideon’s in
02:32:02 alma 1.
02:32:04 so it is alma one that where this
02:32:06 happens
02:32:08 no because i think it’s later though
02:32:11 no because the um
02:32:15 the case has to be brought to alma
02:32:19 okay and because the people
02:32:22 have never had a law
02:32:26 yeah so it’s alma 1 9 where he gets
02:32:30 smitten and now gideon
02:32:32 was stood him with the words of god he
02:32:34 was wrath with gideon and drew his
02:32:36 sword and began to smite him now getting
02:32:40 being stricken with many years therefore
02:32:42 he was not able to withstand his blows
02:32:44 therefore he was
02:32:46 slain by the sword so i think this is
02:32:48 nihor that slid
02:32:49 him slew him so i i okay so it was
02:32:52 me yeah i
02:32:56 it doesn’t say this yet but i think if
02:32:58 we go on we’ll see that because this
02:33:00 alma one is the nehor chapter when he
02:33:04 first gets injured
02:33:05 the order of nehors talked about in
02:33:07 other places but
02:33:08 this is the place where it gets
02:33:09 introduced and nehora is here preaching
02:33:12 right um
02:33:16 okay so help me who was
02:33:19 the king because my mind all of a sudden
02:33:22 is having a fog
02:33:24 um where alma comes out ebenedai comes
02:33:27 and preached
02:33:28 king
02:33:31 no well so and alma one is the reign of
02:33:34 judges
02:33:35 um in fact it just barely started
02:33:38 um because just before that anna die
02:33:43 who does the benedict preach before i
02:33:45 know him
02:33:46 king noah
02:33:52 okay i have a that reminds me of a post
02:33:54 i have
02:33:55 king brigham right anyways right
02:33:58 um so kate it was nehor
02:34:03 that is swelled up in his boasting
02:34:08 to the point he’s so passionate that he
02:34:11 takes a life
02:34:13 so it goes back to our
02:34:24 um because let’s see
02:34:34 the church of god began to persecute
02:34:37 those who did not belong to the church
02:34:39 of god so that that goes along with it
02:34:40 right you have to
02:34:43 they they’re being mean to people who
02:34:45 didn’t believe
02:34:46 the way that they did or recognize their
02:34:49 their greatness
02:34:50 right so i think that goes along right
02:34:52 what you’re saying
02:34:53 well go to verse three verse three okay
02:34:59 and he had gone among the people
02:35:02 preaching to them that
02:35:03 which he termed to be the word of god
02:35:06 bearing down against the church
02:35:08 right not letting people believe the way
02:35:10 that they wanted
02:35:11 declaring under the people every priest
02:35:14 and teacher ought to be become
02:35:16 popular they ought not to labor with
02:35:19 their hands but they ought to be
02:35:21 supported by the people
02:35:23 uh that’s priest craft so uh
02:35:26 it’s not quite the boasting i would say
02:35:28 that you’re
02:35:30 talking about though
02:35:33 okay he’s testifying to the people
02:35:38 so he’s getting louder he wants to be
02:35:41 heard yeah he definitely wants to get
02:35:43 heard and then he starts doing
02:35:45 very costly apparel verse six
02:35:49 um which is against what we talked about
02:35:52 earlier of helping the poor and
02:35:54 how people want their costly apparel
02:35:56 instead
02:35:57 right and it came to pass the game
02:36:00 and then he lost his contention
02:36:04 that money support him yeah
02:36:09 and then a gideon
02:36:13 was an instrument in the hands of god
02:36:15 delivering the people of limhi out of
02:36:18 bondage but gideon withstood him
02:36:22 but then uh nehor killed him
02:36:26 and then they took him to be judged
02:36:30 he came before alma he
02:36:33 pled for himself with much boldness
02:36:35 [Music]
02:36:38 his first time priest craft
02:36:41 so go to verse 16. 16.
02:36:44 okay nevertheless this did not put an
02:36:48 end to the spreading of priests cath
02:36:50 throughout the land for there were many
02:36:52 who loved the
02:36:53 vain things of the world that they went
02:36:55 forth preaching
02:36:56 false doctrines and this that they did
02:36:58 for the
02:36:59 sake of riches and honor and honor
02:37:03 if you’ve got honor it goes back
02:37:06 to the pride which you boast
02:37:12 i do think there’s connections that’s
02:37:13 what it does reminded me of
02:37:16 sure it doesn’t actually come out and
02:37:17 say boasting but i do see connections
02:37:20 to it the attitude and the behavior
02:37:24 sure is what i was looking at i was
02:37:26 seeing the reason
02:37:28 why yeah okay so
02:37:31 so let’s go back to helaman
02:37:34 13. oh wow my scriptures are so obedient
02:37:39 i can flip and and it’s just opens
02:37:43 honey it’s in that refrigerator
02:37:47 now i have mine that’s a little left
02:37:51 over and then yours is wrapped up
02:37:54 more
02:37:58 oh okay it didn’t fit i’m sorry
02:38:03 go in the other one the other
02:38:04 refrigerator babe
02:38:08 there we go all right so we’re back to
02:38:11 swelling
02:38:12 you were giving definition
02:38:13 [Music]
02:38:15 uh oh spelling okay
02:38:18 well i think we finished that um
02:38:20 [Music]
02:38:23 the passion because i think neor had the
02:38:25 passion he got so
02:38:27 caught up in his passion that he killed
02:38:28 gideon right
02:38:30 yes that’s what i’m saying
02:38:34 i hate it i i mean passion is good as
02:38:37 long as we
02:38:39 um keep it in check our passage keep it
02:38:42 in check
02:38:43 right right um so i think yeah
02:38:46 that goes along with that
02:38:50 that just all of a sudden the spirit
02:38:53 reminded me
02:38:54 of gideon’s life was taken
02:38:57 [Music]
02:38:58 because of that and so
02:39:02 then indians
02:39:05 strifes malice
02:39:10 persecution murders
02:39:14 in all manner so malice is like acting
02:39:18 bad
02:39:19 as strife that’s fighting
02:39:24 contention uh okay argument
02:39:28 contention uh thinking you’re better
02:39:31 than others superiority
02:39:34 um contention anger
02:39:38 enmity enmity is like hate right
02:39:43 uh opposition
02:39:44 [Music]
02:39:47 yeah okay all right i’m just i’m not
02:39:50 familiar with that word but now i am
02:39:52 but yeah it’s like it’s it’s kind of
02:39:55 building up
02:39:57 strife and then it goes to malice which
02:39:59 i would say is
02:40:00 um the build-up of that
02:40:03 right oh damn i need to go back
02:40:07 i’m i’m using the app right now because
02:40:10 it’s
02:40:10 on the computer it’s just easier for me
02:40:15 you’re better at that than i am
02:40:19 well i i use the earliest text
02:40:23 when i’m just sitting and reading it for
02:40:25 myself but going back and forth i’ll do
02:40:27 it on the computer but then
02:40:29 like when i’m out and about i’ll go do
02:40:31 the the little
02:40:33 missionary ones right the missionaries
02:40:35 get out because
02:40:36 it’s small because i love the earliest
02:40:38 texts but
02:40:39 it’s not convenient to take places
02:40:43 right i hear yay
02:40:47 it’s kind of big it’s it’s bigger than
02:40:50 most people’s quads
02:40:51 let’s be honest anyways
02:40:55 um all right so back to this
02:40:56 persecutions murders
02:40:58 and murders is big right and all manner
02:41:01 of iniquities
02:41:03 for this cost had the lord cause that
02:41:06 okay here we go
02:41:06 for this cause that the lord
02:41:10 caused that a curse should come upon the
02:41:12 land and upon
02:41:13 the riches and because of your
02:41:17 iniquities
02:41:21 because of everything that just happened
02:41:22 before that was talked about
02:41:25 right but i do think that curses
02:41:29 is be is
02:41:32 like your point out it’s before the
02:41:34 actual destruction
02:41:35 because the curses hopefully get you to
02:41:38 repent to where
02:41:39 he doesn’t have to destroy you
02:41:43 it’s a humbling abusive humble pie
02:41:47 a large piece of humble pie true
02:41:51 uh it’s to to hopefully get you to
02:41:53 repent
02:41:54 so yes although it’s out of justice it’s
02:41:57 also also
02:41:58 out of mercy at the same time it’s
02:42:00 justice and mercy
02:42:03 right right out of love
02:42:06 yeah i think part of that great mercy
02:42:09 because
02:42:10 he completed
02:42:15 right yeah i think so did we go
02:42:18 through through that i was trying to
02:42:21 remember
02:42:22 if if we did that full circle
02:42:26 okay do you want to go to your post
02:42:31 or is it too late no that’s fine i i
02:42:34 don’t know
02:42:35 i mean we talked a little bit about it
02:42:36 in the beginning we can talk more about
02:42:38 it
02:42:38 um okay i i don’t know
02:42:42 specifically what you want to talk about
02:42:44 in it
02:42:45 um but i i figure maybe for that we can
02:42:50 because when you were going on this
02:42:52 subject i initially was thinking about
02:42:55 being ripe and and
02:42:58 the ether talks about that sound what is
02:43:01 it
02:43:02 hold on one minute is it
02:43:05 ether 13
02:43:10 it opens up to it i love it
02:43:13 thank you
02:43:18 oh no it’s ether 8 is what i’m thinking
02:43:20 of
02:43:22 it just opens up is that what you got
02:43:26 yeah it’s it it opened up to 13 and
02:43:30 opens up to eight
02:43:32 i’m like wow i have an angel helping me
02:43:35 i guess
02:43:37 yeah i i i
02:43:41 so another post i’m working on
02:43:44 is like one wife and copy finds none
02:43:48 um i
02:43:50 i was gonna expound chapter eight in
02:43:53 there
02:43:54 but i decided it’d be too much
02:43:59 um and i’ll tell you why part of the
02:44:03 reason why
02:44:04 is because some i talk about some of my
02:44:06 history in
02:44:07 that post a little bit because i felt
02:44:09 like it’s appropriate to
02:44:11 but part of my waking up to the problems
02:44:14 in the church i first woke up to
02:44:16 problems in the world which then
02:44:18 i think helped open me up to seeing
02:44:21 problems in the church
02:44:22 and i i’ve seen that as a pattern in
02:44:25 other people
02:44:26 also they see it other places and then
02:44:28 they see it in the church
02:44:30 do you know what happened to me when it
02:44:34 was in 2014
02:44:36 and i started seeing things in 91
02:44:40 okay okay but
02:44:43 and and how i was seeing it was
02:44:46 i was listening to conference and i was
02:44:49 always prepared
02:44:51 a week before conference and
02:44:55 i would be led to certain scriptures
02:44:59 and it was interesting because i would
02:45:02 go
02:45:02 through experiences
02:45:06 like the opposition
02:45:09 against me and so therefore
02:45:14 i had an experience
02:45:18 that i could testify
02:45:22 of of
02:45:25 what really was the word of god
02:45:28 uh okay sure sure that makes sense
02:45:31 because
02:45:31 of that experience all right
02:45:35 so then when i went to conference and
02:45:38 i’m sitting here and i’m listening
02:45:41 i’ve already fasted and i’ve already
02:45:43 prepared myself
02:45:44 and all of a sudden i am feeling
02:45:47 the warmth and the presence of the
02:45:49 spirit and
02:45:51 and it’s teaching me as i’m listening
02:45:55 remember this remember i showed you this
02:45:58 remember this prophet remember the
02:46:01 scripture
02:46:02 and i’m like okay and remember you
02:46:06 had this happen in your life such and
02:46:08 such time
02:46:10 oh yeah i did and i was writing
02:46:13 then that speaker was done next
02:46:17 speaker would come up and all of a
02:46:20 sudden
02:46:20 as that speaker is speaking
02:46:25 the spirit is saying
02:46:29 turn to such and such my book would open
02:46:32 up
02:46:33 and i would be led and i’m reading
02:46:35 reading reading
02:46:36 and all of a sudden i’m listening to the
02:46:38 speaker
02:46:40 and i’m going whoa whoa wait a minute
02:46:44 what just happened he’s he’s saying
02:46:48 this but you’re saying this
02:46:52 and that’s how he started teaching me
02:46:54 [Music]
02:46:55 okay and the spirit would be
02:46:59 very warm because my body
02:47:02 was so weak my
02:47:05 spirit was stronger
02:47:09 and i think i shared that with you that
02:47:11 there were times that i couldn’t even
02:47:13 feel my feet touching the ground
02:47:18 i was so sick okay that i would tell my
02:47:22 husband i don’t know what side of the
02:47:23 bell i’m
02:47:24 i’m receiving from or feeling
02:47:28 you know working from anyway
02:47:32 that was the beginning of him opening
02:47:36 my mind and my heart
02:47:40 and looking at what is his word
02:47:43 versus man’s opinion amen
02:47:48 but i didn’t know what to do i didn’t
02:47:52 know what to do with that because of the
02:47:54 quote authority right so when
02:47:57 i would question something with
02:48:01 the authority i was constantly scolded
02:48:06 you know so wait a minute
02:48:10 doesn’t speak against god sorry
02:48:13 yes yeah you’re supposed to have
02:48:17 a free conscience to worship however
02:48:22 no sir i was just going on how
02:48:25 priesthood leaders shouldn’t be seeking
02:48:26 to control people
02:48:27 or put them down they should be
02:48:29 uplifting and serving them
02:48:31 otherwise amen to their priesthood right
02:48:33 exactly
02:48:34 121. absolutely
02:48:37 well in 2014 i read
02:48:41 denver snuffer’s book on pass a heavenly
02:48:45 gift
02:48:47 then i am told
02:48:52 by the holy spirit that the government
02:48:56 and the church is going
02:49:00 parallel uh and they actually work
02:49:03 together
02:49:04 in general i mean at times yes cia
02:49:07 and things like that i have discovered i
02:49:11 think
02:49:12 at times the churches and religions and
02:49:15 churches
02:49:16 and state fight but a lot of times
02:49:18 they’re actually working
02:49:19 together well is that aren’t we told
02:49:23 and we’ll go to ether but aren’t we
02:49:26 told in third nephi
02:49:30 six yeah he opens up too thank you
02:49:33 verse 27 now it came to pass that those
02:49:38 judges had many friends and kindreds
02:49:42 and the remainder and even almost all
02:49:45 the lawyers
02:49:46 and the high priests
02:49:50 to gather themselves together and unite
02:49:54 with the kindreds of those
02:49:57 judges who were to be tried
02:50:00 according to the law and they did
02:50:04 enter into a covenant
02:50:07 one with another yea even into
02:50:10 that covenant which was given
02:50:14 by them of old which
02:50:17 covenant was given and administered
02:50:20 by the devil against
02:50:24 all righteousness
02:50:27 and therefore they did
02:50:31 combine against the people of the lord
02:50:35 and entered into a covenant to
02:50:38 destroy them and to
02:50:42 deliver those who were guilty
02:50:45 of murder from the grasp of justice
02:50:49 which was about
02:50:51 to be administered according to the law
02:50:55 and they did set at defiance
02:50:58 the law and the rights
02:51:02 of their country and they did
02:51:05 covenants one with another to
02:51:08 destroy the governor and to
02:51:12 establish a king over the land
02:51:16 that the land should no
02:51:19 more be at liberty but
02:51:22 should be subject into kings
02:51:28 sure i think that uh goes along with uh
02:51:32 one point that we haven’t looked at but
02:51:34 back to ether eight
02:51:36 either but uh verse
02:51:39 8 22 i like this but whosoever
02:51:43 nation shall uphold
02:51:46 uphold such secret combinations to get
02:51:49 power and gain
02:51:50 until they shall spread over the nation
02:51:53 behold they shall be destroyed for the
02:51:56 lord will not
02:51:58 suffer that the blood of his saints
02:52:00 which shall be shed by them shall always
02:52:02 cry
02:52:03 unto him from the ground for vengeance
02:52:06 upon them
02:52:07 and yet he avenged them not
02:52:10 um it’s it’s one
02:52:14 the at least in general the people i
02:52:16 don’t know if it’s just the leaders
02:52:18 but i think it’s also the people also
02:52:21 uphold
02:52:21 the secret combinations meaning but have
02:52:24 we not done that
02:52:27 you know this is where
02:52:31 do the people know that the secret
02:52:33 combinations are going on i think it’s
02:52:35 getting out
02:52:36 there because yes this is a question of
02:52:39 who’s doing the upholding that he’s
02:52:41 talking about is it the other leaders
02:52:43 or is it the general
02:52:47 citizenship i think it’s talking about
02:52:50 the general citizenship upholding the
02:52:52 majority
02:52:53 the majority of holding the secret
02:52:55 combinations
02:52:57 yes when we get to that point i don’t
02:52:59 think we’re to that point yet i don’t
02:53:01 think we’re at that point
02:53:02 yet either i do believe the errors are
02:53:04 doing it
02:53:05 but i don’t think yes the majority know
02:53:08 about it and or support it yet but i do
02:53:10 think it will become a time where it
02:53:12 will
02:53:13 and this kingdom that satan has set up
02:53:16 in the hollywood
02:53:18 and the sex trafficking and the cia
02:53:21 and the fbi and the uh department
02:53:25 justice
02:53:25 and the treasury is all being
02:53:29 shook the indictments
02:53:33 are coming out
02:53:36 i hope so i i i know
02:53:40 trump said he’s going to drain the swamp
02:53:41 but i just personally haven’t seen it
02:53:44 um so i hope what you’re saying i have i
02:53:47 have
02:53:47 because um even salchi
02:53:52 was indicted
02:53:55 this week i hope you’re right i haven’t
02:53:58 seen it but
02:53:59 um and it’s gonna
02:54:03 shake many members
02:54:06 on all levels of religion
02:54:11 well a lot of religions uh supported
02:54:14 trump
02:54:14 um i mean the eldest church didn’t they
02:54:17 were pushing hillary
02:54:20 no what i’m saying in the religions the
02:54:23 leaders that are part of the sex
02:54:26 trafficking oh
02:54:27 that part that are part of building up
02:54:30 this secret combinations no yeah okay
02:54:34 i see where you’re going now yeah
02:54:36 there’s most mainstream
02:54:38 churches are in in it
02:54:41 i mean some of the bigger ones get more
02:54:45 media on it but they’re all part of it
02:54:48 so it goes back to the pride
02:54:52 the costly apparel the boasting
02:54:56 the swelling the strife
02:54:59 the malice the envying
02:55:03 you know one i think the costly apparel
02:55:06 and this is just me and maybe i’m
02:55:07 reading into it but it has to do with
02:55:09 the parents
02:55:10 they want to look good and perfect even
02:55:13 when they’re they’re not inside in fact
02:55:20 what is this white step what is the
02:55:23 um usa you
02:55:27 are white on
02:55:31 the outside but
02:55:35 you feel the inside you stink inside or
02:55:37 something
02:55:38 that’s not ringing about but one that
02:55:41 i’m
02:55:41 the main relate i think relates to this
02:55:44 is how the
02:55:45 tabernacle it it
02:55:50 was made out of fever or other animals
02:55:53 first and so it didn’t look great on the
02:55:54 outside
02:55:55 but it was spectacular on the inside
02:55:59 it’s the inside that matters not the
02:56:01 outside and the costly apparel
02:56:04 is focusing on the outside instead of
02:56:07 the inside
02:56:08 in fact i think if you’re focusing on
02:56:10 the inside
02:56:12 uh you would be more free with your
02:56:16 um surplus to give to those who needed
02:56:20 it and said instead of saying oh
02:56:22 you’re just always here for um asking
02:56:26 for something
02:56:27 like your bishop told you right
02:56:30 right
02:56:34 it’s it’s the focus do you want to look
02:56:37 good or do you want to be
02:56:38 good right right
02:56:42 that’s why it brought me to that
02:56:45 scripture where the lord is talking
02:56:49 to the pharisees
02:56:52 to the ones that deny people
02:56:57 you know into the straight
02:57:00 gate they don’t look into it
02:57:04 right and then they ban the way
02:57:08 uh sure they’re they’re they’re false
02:57:10 traditions
02:57:12 um right but he was talking about
02:57:16 seppaker um
02:57:18 [Music]
02:57:19 maybe you can look that up for me but i
02:57:23 it’s in math view
02:57:26 oh let’s i can go to the
02:57:30 topical guide blind guides
02:57:33 okay your gold
02:57:48 um
02:57:52 yeah you turned me to it’s 23
02:57:55 27. thank you
02:57:59 woe unto you scribes and pharisees
02:58:02 hypocrite
02:58:03 for ye are like unto whited
02:58:06 sepulchers which indeed appear
02:58:10 beautiful outward okay
02:58:14 but are within full
02:58:17 of dead men’s bones
02:58:21 and of all and cleanness
02:58:25 even so he also outwardly
02:58:30 appear righteous unto men but within
02:58:34 you are full of hypocrisy and
02:58:38 inequity
02:58:42 yeah uh same thing he just gave
02:58:46 me septicers you know the white
02:58:48 separator and i was like
02:58:49 yeah give me more where is it
02:58:52 no no sure god like you said before god
02:58:56 teaches the same thing
02:58:58 over and over this is uh
02:59:01 sometimes they may use different imagery
02:59:03 and different words but the principles
02:59:05 the same
02:59:06 yeah i love it
02:59:10 i love doing this stephen so do i um
02:59:14 i i forgot about that verse that that’s
02:59:17 a very good one
02:59:18 and that’s i mean i think a 5 000
02:59:22 dollar suit would fit into that myself
02:59:25 oh yes
02:59:26 absolutely sheeps and
02:59:30 wolves clothing
02:59:34 and what the the suits are made out of
02:59:38 wool
02:59:40 i found that very interesting when he
02:59:42 showed me that
02:59:44 yeah some yeah some suits are made of
02:59:47 wool
02:59:47 um i don’t know about all of them but
02:59:50 maybe
02:59:51 i i’m not a seamstress so i’m i don’t
02:59:53 know those details
02:59:55 i i looked at material
02:59:58 and i was just trying to understand that
03:00:02 scripture
03:00:04 and one one conference
03:00:07 he just pointed out to me do you ever
03:00:10 see a plumber
03:00:12 at the
03:00:17 uh you’re waking up you broke up for a
03:00:19 little bit so i didn’t hear the last
03:00:21 maybe 10 seconds five seconds well
03:00:24 the spirit asked me do you
03:00:28 ever see a plumber
03:00:31 sitting on the stand and speaking at
03:00:35 the pulpit at conference
03:00:39 and i’m like no
03:00:43 do you ever see you know the cowboy
03:00:47 um jacket that we wore in texas
03:00:50 you know guys wore
03:00:54 and so he pointed these things out to me
03:00:56 because
03:00:57 in the scriptures he was telling me you
03:01:00 know through a
03:01:01 virtuous woman she makes her clothing
03:01:05 and you know it’s commonly right
03:01:09 it’s simple and i’m like
03:01:14 okay i i’m i’m doing that and then i
03:01:17 would go to conference and i say uh
03:01:20 father i can’t dress like that
03:01:25 and he would say do you think i want you
03:01:28 to
03:01:30 and i go but but these are the leaders
03:01:34 look at this sister
03:01:38 you know her hair is perfect and yada
03:01:41 yada
03:01:41 and i would have conversations back and
03:01:44 forth with him
03:01:45 and he would say this is not up
03:01:48 important
03:01:51 yeah well one thing i find interesting
03:01:54 they they say sunday best right but
03:01:58 yeah um yes it’s not
03:02:01 in fact the lds dress code would
03:02:04 not allow yeshua to
03:02:07 be in oh no
03:02:10 in fact you can’t even have a beard
03:02:12 today but
03:02:14 their dress code actually
03:02:17 is wrong and and it’s all about like
03:02:21 absolutely one right it’s all about
03:02:24 business attire it’s not about sunday
03:02:26 best it’s business
03:02:28 attire is what it is even the priesthood
03:02:31 attire
03:02:32 goes back to
03:02:35 pharisee’s dress
03:02:40 that white separator
03:02:45 that dead bones yeah well alma 31
03:02:49 part of in i believe we’d have to go
03:02:52 double check
03:02:52 but the the
03:02:56 the zormites right uh oh he was
03:02:59 rejecting the poor partly because of
03:03:02 their
03:03:03 clothes if i remember correctly they
03:03:05 kicked him out in 32.
03:03:07 yeah um which actually
03:03:10 ended up being a good thing for them
03:03:12 because then they listened to alma
03:03:14 but uh
03:03:17 it’s showing how there’s this focus of
03:03:20 they couldn’t look good so we don’t want
03:03:22 you to be included
03:03:23 you’re you can’t come to the building
03:03:26 that you helped build
03:03:27 because they were poor which also
03:03:29 reminds me of
03:03:31 lds temples right you don’t right
03:03:34 if you don’t have money to pay tithing
03:03:35 you can’t come in the building even
03:03:37 though you helped pay for it
03:03:39 that’s right it says the coarseness in
03:03:42 verse
03:03:43 is chapter 32 verse 2
03:03:47 and they labored so that means they gave
03:03:51 out of their income
03:03:55 okay after much labor among them they
03:03:58 became
03:03:59 began to have success among the lower
03:04:01 class
03:04:02 of people this is alma an
03:04:05 amulet okay for behold
03:04:08 they were cast the people the poor
03:04:11 people
03:04:12 they were cast out of the temples the
03:04:14 synagogues
03:04:16 because of the coarseness
03:04:20 of their apparel so i didn’t remember
03:04:22 correctly
03:04:25 um which
03:04:29 i you you go i remember one time on my
03:04:33 mission
03:04:35 um oh maybe oh
03:04:40 i don’t know what i think i’m saying is
03:04:42 right ebong i see
03:04:44 his webcam let me tell him
03:04:48 okay
03:04:54 but i don’t you see we have someone else
03:04:56 joining us do you see him
03:04:59 i don’t uh you don’t i see it on my i
03:05:05 maybe because you’re the one that did
03:05:08 the meeting
03:05:08 yeah maybe you’d maybe i see everybody
03:05:11 because i’m the host but
03:05:12 i think i’ve gone to other brothers
03:05:14 other people’s and
03:05:16 seen everybody you’re on an android
03:05:20 you’re so maybe the interface is not the
03:05:22 same right
03:05:23 right but i i see him
03:05:27 but i don’t hear him oh and he just took
03:05:30 away his webcam
03:05:32 um he’s trying to so he he joined
03:05:36 uh the awakening group recently and he’s
03:05:38 read a couple things in there and he
03:05:41 says it’s really helped him out so
03:05:48 i think he’s having problems connecting
03:05:51 um like
03:05:52 we had the last week we have it we
03:05:54 haven’t had
03:05:55 the best of connection tonight
03:06:02 the audio is basically working and
03:06:06 for him
03:06:07 [Music]
03:06:10 although i meant
03:06:23 i’m just messaging you something well
03:06:26 he’s like
03:06:26 he can’t hear anything so maybe tomorrow
03:06:28 i can work with him to
03:06:31 try to fix it for him for next time
03:06:33 because he he wanted to come
03:06:34 i had a point
03:06:37 oh yeah i had push on a
03:06:41 double item that said audio or device or
03:06:44 something
03:06:45 and then when it did it asked
03:06:49 did i want to catch
03:06:54 well i’ll try to help him tomorrow um
03:06:58 let me
03:07:01 yeah i i told him uh that’s fine
03:07:05 uh we won’t worry about it i’ll try to
03:07:07 see if he has time tomorrow because it
03:07:08 may be saturday he can join us and have
03:07:10 a
03:07:11 work because we had someone join us last
03:07:14 time that had
03:07:14 the same kind of he could hear us but
03:07:17 he couldn’t talk do you remember um
03:07:20 destin
03:07:21 yeah dustin smith hard time
03:07:26 um yeah that was disappointing
03:07:30 isn’t it awesome how the spirit
03:07:33 leads i mean we have been all
03:07:36 over the place and we are talking about
03:07:40 blessing and curse on the land
03:07:44 and it’s all about not being equal
03:07:48 in spiritual and temporal
03:07:52 things and therefore you can’t be
03:07:56 equal in spiritual things
03:07:59 that’s in the nutshell yeah that’s in
03:08:02 the dnc i forget which section
03:08:04 um
03:08:06 [Music]
03:08:11 yeah i’m no dnc expert i i know there’s
03:08:15 some things in there but i don’t always
03:08:16 remember where they’re
03:08:17 at because as i’ve told you i focus more
03:08:21 book of mormon and torah
03:08:24 nowadays yeah uh but
03:08:27 i you know even when i before i woke up
03:08:30 i still focused on the book of mormon
03:08:32 most
03:08:34 but i mean i loved
03:08:38 the dnc i i know bits and pieces but i
03:08:40 just never
03:08:41 focused on things
03:08:44 right we all have different things that
03:08:47 we like
03:08:48 to focus on that’s for sure oh yeah oh
03:08:51 actually
03:08:51 let’s see i just unmuted evong maybe he
03:08:54 can
03:08:56 can you hear us uh i don’t know if i’m
03:08:58 saying your name right ebong
03:09:03 [Music]
03:09:10 oh that’s good yay
03:09:13 can you hear me yeah we can hear you i
03:09:16 hear you
03:09:21 good job welcome
03:09:24 i agree thank you
03:09:28 uh this is nice meeting you
03:09:34 it’s exciting to have you join us
03:09:39 thank you very much i’ve been trying to
03:09:41 reconnect reconnect but thankfully god
03:09:44 allowed me to be able to join
03:09:48 wonderful i had been praying that
03:09:51 more would be able to come as well
03:09:56 yeah it’s it’s spree and i have been
03:09:59 doing this together i don’t know
03:10:03 for how long i
03:10:06 i don’t know how long actually for quite
03:10:08 i don’t know
03:10:10 it has it’s been quite a while and
03:10:14 trying to make it so other people can
03:10:16 join um
03:10:19 maybe two months now oh i think it’s
03:10:22 been longer than that
03:10:24 i think it’s been three or four but i’m
03:10:27 do yeah yeah i can’t remember i
03:10:30 [Music]
03:10:31 i don’t know um where are you from
03:10:37 i’m from uganda
03:10:42 i live in a place called lira
03:10:45 yes
03:10:50 yes yes exactly
03:10:56 well i hope that
03:11:01 the connection gets better yeah
03:11:04 he’s uh breaking up but either way i’m
03:11:07 glad to have them here
03:11:10 um in fact if i remember correctly
03:11:13 correct me if i’m wrong ebong but you
03:11:15 you saw
03:11:15 my comment about the
03:11:19 [Music]
03:11:20 black slash white skin hebrew idiom and
03:11:24 that i think that you said that really
03:11:25 helped you
03:11:26 helped you out especially how it’s in
03:11:30 the book of mormon the lamanites and the
03:11:31 nephites couldn’t tell each other apart
03:11:33 by sight
03:11:34 and thus by skin color
03:11:40 yeah i i actually liked it a lot because
03:11:46 um before when i joined church
03:11:49 i come from a place like in uganda we
03:11:53 don’t know
03:11:54 we don’t know we don’t know about we
03:11:56 don’t know about racism
03:11:58 we we love we love people a lot i should
03:12:02 i come from a place where
03:12:05 um people get excited to see foreigners
03:12:08 and when they see foreign they just want
03:12:11 they will just
03:12:12 build town and greet them so my
03:12:15 experience is that when i went to
03:12:17 when i went to my mission i served in
03:12:20 south africa
03:12:23 and from there i made i i found myself
03:12:27 put you know i in a minute of
03:12:31 you know people we were super racist
03:12:35 and that kind of really got me
03:12:38 affected and i was like what is this we
03:12:41 don’t know about this and i never even
03:12:43 thought about racism until i went to my
03:12:45 mission and when
03:12:46 and so then i started now
03:12:50 and i started studying more about you
03:12:52 know racism and stuff
03:12:54 like that so but i never got the
03:12:58 clarification apart from what i hear
03:13:00 people saying that
03:13:01 free kamiyah was super racist and he
03:13:04 never liked
03:13:05 black people and stuff like that when
03:13:08 i met you yesterday and one of your
03:13:10 comments i mean i saw online
03:13:12 and i read it and then you started
03:13:14 talking to me about it
03:13:15 it kind of it it you kind of break it
03:13:19 down for me in a way that i understood
03:13:21 so fast
03:13:24 yeah i was i’m grateful that that helped
03:13:27 you out
03:13:28 i’m sure seeing that first on your
03:13:31 mission is probably a rude awakening
03:13:35 to that um
03:13:39 there so luckily when i grew up
03:13:42 i think most of that racist kind of
03:13:46 dispelled or been forgotten because it
03:13:48 was
03:13:49 lifted in 1978
03:13:54 and i was born in 79 um
03:13:58 so i think for the most of it it kind of
03:14:00 disappeared
03:14:01 but in salt lake city there’s not many
03:14:04 at least where i grew up and i wasn’t in
03:14:06 a rich area just the normal
03:14:09 middle class there wasn’t much black
03:14:12 people
03:14:12 there’s just mostly there was a there
03:14:15 was a couple black people on my ward
03:14:17 but i didn’t really see the racism i i
03:14:21 didn’t
03:14:21 know brigham man was a racist until
03:14:24 studying things later
03:14:29 but it sounds like you got woken up to
03:14:31 it in south africa
03:14:32 which i think is rich a good part of it
03:14:35 is rich
03:14:37 um
03:14:42 i see a wonderful thing
03:14:45 that our mercator
03:14:49 is doing africa
03:14:52 i see the spirit being poured out
03:14:56 upon that group of people
03:15:01 oh yeah i i i get to
03:15:04 look at you
03:15:11 like like
03:15:14 there is a hunger growing in africa
03:15:17 i mean they’re
03:15:20 a lot of people in the group right now
03:15:22 are coming from
03:15:24 africa um you might know that you might
03:15:27 not
03:15:28 yeah i know it because i’m the one oh
03:15:29 because i haven’t been visiting the
03:15:31 group
03:15:32 oh okay well they don’t speak up but
03:15:36 there’s
03:15:36 i where i’m approving the
03:15:40 uh request there’s a lot of coming
03:15:43 from that area um there’s a hunger there
03:15:49 and even just going on lds
03:15:52 facebook groups like see the hunger too
03:15:55 because they’re wondering this and that
03:15:56 that’s going on
03:15:57 and it doesn’t make sense to them
03:16:02 [Music]
03:16:09 you have a beautiful smile
03:16:24 um james
03:16:27 and patrick mckay i think most of their
03:16:30 missions that they do they go to africa
03:16:32 where they give out book of mormons
03:16:34 it’s mostly enough oh do they from my
03:16:36 understanding yeah
03:16:38 oh wow give him credit for that
03:16:42 i i disagree they’re using tithing money
03:16:45 for that because tithing’s for the poor
03:16:47 not missionary work but
03:16:50 at least they’re using it for missionary
03:16:52 work instead of
03:16:53 putting it in their own pocket so i give
03:16:57 them credit
03:16:58 they’re using it better than other
03:16:59 people are
03:17:02 well that’s good that’s good well evon
03:17:12 [Music]
03:17:15 yeah i’m getting static from him too
03:17:17 it’s probably because of the internet
03:17:19 connection
03:17:21 okay asking me
03:17:33 yeah it’s i’m guessing it’s your
03:17:37 internet
03:17:37 action um
03:17:45 it makes it kind of hard actually
03:17:49 sadly yeah
03:17:53 is he moving he’s not for me
03:17:56 um
03:18:03 there we go i’m trying to okay can you
03:18:05 hear me now
03:18:07 the most part yeah there’s there’s a
03:18:11 stack
03:18:12 yeah they’re static right now you’re
03:18:14 frozen
03:18:16 there you go
03:18:19 uh i know sometimes when there’s not
03:18:22 very good internet connection if you
03:18:24 turn your video off
03:18:26 it makes the sound better because the
03:18:28 video takes up a lot more bandwidth
03:18:41 oh i’m still hearing the static though
03:18:44 what about you bree
03:18:48 yeah i i can i can now hear you
03:18:52 i can now hear you a lot better okay
03:18:55 well
03:18:55 at least that works better it’s just
03:18:58 video takes up a lot more bandwidth
03:19:00 than audio does and probably part of the
03:19:03 problem is your bad internet connection
03:19:15 so we were just talking about before you
03:19:17 joined about alma 31 and
03:19:19 how we see it in the eldest church
03:19:23 in fact if i’m going to say this real
03:19:27 quick can he hear
03:19:28 us i think he does sometimes
03:19:32 can you hear us
03:19:42 uh i don’t understand what he’s saying
03:19:44 right now
03:19:46 ask him if he can type it can you type
03:19:49 something
03:19:50 and we can i’ll watch it and i’ll read
03:19:53 it
03:19:54 if you want to say something because the
03:19:57 your it’s probably the internet but
03:19:59 you’re you’re coming in
03:20:00 all scratchy
03:20:06 yeah it’s getting weaker a week a week
03:20:09 now
03:20:09 i don’t know uh actually i could
03:20:13 understand that part
03:20:15 yeah i answered that i don’t know if
03:20:17 there is much you can do
03:20:18 um because it’s probably your internet
03:20:21 and
03:20:22 i don’t think you can improve that yeah
03:20:27 which makes this hard
03:20:31 but i was just saying uh alma 31
03:20:35 um before anybody goes to
03:20:38 their next fast and testimony meeting i
03:20:41 recommend you reading alma 31
03:20:45 and then go to fast and testimonial
03:20:47 meaning
03:20:48 and see all the connections that are
03:20:50 that are in
03:20:51 this chapter and compare it to what
03:20:53 happens
03:20:55 going up to the tower all saying the
03:20:57 same thing
03:20:59 how we’re how we’re the chosen one no
03:21:02 one else is
03:21:03 i’m so glad i’m a member of this church
03:21:06 we’re so blessed
03:21:08 anyways it’s
03:21:11 a costly apparel yeah the the
03:21:15 how everybody needs to be in their
03:21:17 chosen generation
03:21:19 yeah they’re they’re sunday best apparel
03:21:23 which is actually
03:21:24 business best apparel anyways
03:21:30 it’s the book of mormon
03:21:34 is speaking to us more than most people
03:21:36 recognize
03:21:39 yes i found my scripture
03:21:42 oh what scripture do you want to bring
03:21:44 out
03:21:46 we were remember told you it’s all about
03:21:50 if we cannot be equal temporal
03:21:53 things oh okay we need to not be equal
03:21:56 in the spirit
03:21:59 it’s dnc eight
03:22:05 verse five six and seven
03:22:11 and eight
03:22:14 and this is why the church was condemned
03:22:17 two
03:22:18 years after it was organized the people
03:22:22 were caught up in their business
03:22:25 and they’re making their homes you know
03:22:29 they were not caught up in taking care
03:22:31 of the poor
03:22:33 well and even um brigham young
03:22:36 which um the
03:22:39 generation of emma and joseph and hiram
03:22:41 brings out how
03:22:44 brigham young
03:22:51 okay okay okay
03:22:54 but he he was stealing the funds that
03:22:56 were supposed to go
03:22:57 towards other people for and materials
03:23:03 and so he also had people work for him
03:23:07 and build the um train
03:23:11 um what do you call it
03:23:29 so anyway doctor and cabinet
03:23:33 78 versus five
03:23:36 through eight it says
03:23:40 that you may be equal
03:23:45 in the bonds of heavenly things
03:23:50 yea and earthly kings also
03:23:54 or obtaining of heavenly things
03:23:58 for if you are not evil
03:24:02 earthly things you cannot be
03:24:06 equal in obtaining
03:24:09 heavenly things for if you will
03:24:13 that i give unto you a place in the
03:24:16 celestial world
03:24:18 you must prepare yourself by doing the
03:24:22 things
03:24:23 which i have commanded you and required
03:24:27 of you and now verily
03:24:30 i say thus saith the lord
03:24:34 it is expedient that all things be done
03:24:38 unto my glory
03:24:41 by you who are joined together
03:24:44 in this order now this goes back
03:24:49 ibon we have been talking about mosiah
03:24:54 chapter four
03:24:58 well it goes back to i think this is
03:25:00 showing yeah i think
03:25:01 too right what is it
03:25:05 i would say this ties into tithing
03:25:07 absolutely
03:25:08 one team in section uh d and c
03:25:14 and helaman 13. well then we’ve been
03:25:17 bouncing all over the place yvonne
03:25:21 but the first half of of jacob too is
03:25:24 about
03:25:24 um if you seek riches seek give it to
03:25:28 the poor
03:25:29 that’s right for yourself but to help
03:25:32 others
03:25:33 and give the glory to god and not take
03:25:37 it into yourselves
03:25:41 we looked up definitions
03:25:45 of words like
03:25:48 boasting and swelling
03:25:54 um how the division
03:25:57 the the inequality
03:26:00 and the separation between members
03:26:05 of the believers all through the
03:26:07 scriptures
03:26:08 is they’re always caught up
03:26:12 with how they dress
03:26:16 so even
03:26:20 you ought to keep a reference to that
03:26:22 that’s really handy
03:26:25 that’s the english that was being spoken
03:26:28 when the book of mormon was translated
03:26:30 into english
03:26:33 so can you hear us
03:26:38 yeah yeah yeah
03:26:42 i can’t hear you okay
03:26:46 okay great
03:26:49 um so stephen do you want to kind of
03:26:53 give him a summary of where we’ve been
03:26:55 so that he can
03:26:59 be blessed as well
03:27:02 well i think you just gave a good
03:27:03 summary of what we went over today
03:27:06 okay well we went to um
03:27:10 matthew how
03:27:13 the pharisees matthew 23
03:27:19 how the lord
03:27:25 taught in matthew 23
03:27:29 through verses 23
03:27:32 through uh 20
03:27:40 9.
03:27:42 well first i’ll go ahead
03:27:45 well he’s going to say the verse that
03:27:47 she’s talking about talks about how
03:27:48 it’s the uh
03:27:52 pharisees were focusing on the outward
03:27:55 appearance instead of the
03:27:56 inward appearance i i also
03:27:59 along with that i brought up how the
03:28:01 tabernacle
03:28:03 it looked kind of common on the outside
03:28:06 but on the inside it was tactical ah
03:28:10 it looked wonderful inside and
03:28:14 but we brought that out because how the
03:28:16 lds leaders at conference
03:28:18 they buy costly apparel
03:28:21 suits that are five thousand dollars
03:28:23 plus
03:28:24 when they’re giving their talks as in
03:28:27 they’re focusing on their
03:28:28 appearance instead of giving that money
03:28:31 to the poor to help them out
03:28:33 instead which is actually
03:28:36 what uh mosiah four talks about and
03:28:40 uh i think it was mosiah 18.
03:28:43 if you remember correctly brings that
03:28:45 out also
03:28:46 let me double check on i think it was
03:28:49 mosaic 18. yeah
03:28:53 because uh oh it’s mosaic 18
03:28:57 27 through 29 brings out how
03:29:02 tithing is on surplus like dnc
03:29:06 119 teaches tithing is on surplus
03:29:09 meaning after your your wants and needs
03:29:13 are taken care of it’s
03:29:15 after that not before like the earliest
03:29:18 church teaches
03:29:20 and you also brought up deuteronomy 26
03:29:26 verse 12. how it’s an increase
03:29:32 he’s consistent is what we were we were
03:29:35 pointing
03:29:35 out okay yvonne we’ll go back to this
03:29:39 but i want to share with you
03:29:43 stephen was trying to teach me
03:29:48 i didn’t understand why
03:29:51 there was a group of people that kept on
03:29:52 talking about the torah
03:29:55 okay and
03:29:59 steven explains to me the torah
03:30:04 is the five books
03:30:07 genesis um
03:30:11 leviticus is
03:30:18 [Music]
03:30:21 and that the gospel
03:30:26 that um jesus taught
03:30:31 in third nephi when he came
03:30:35 um to teach the people as a resurrected
03:30:40 messiah stephen was teaching me
03:30:44 and showing me that
03:30:47 it says this meeting no longer has a
03:30:50 time limit
03:30:51 okay um
03:30:54 never had a time limit okay
03:30:58 i didn’t know that but he was teaching
03:31:00 me all
03:31:04 um the messiah as a resurrected
03:31:09 being came and was
03:31:12 teaching the people how
03:31:15 to live the instructions
03:31:18 they received in the torah
03:31:22 yeah like sermon on the mount to get a
03:31:24 little more specific on that
03:31:26 is teaching how to keep the law
03:31:30 it’s not replacing the law
03:31:34 there’s along those lines i believe
03:31:38 moses was a restorer i believe joseph
03:31:40 smith was a restorer and i believe jesus
03:31:43 christ one of his
03:31:44 things that he did was restoring the
03:31:47 gospel he didn’t teach anything
03:31:48 that he had not already taught through
03:31:50 moses
03:31:53 he was just reminding the people of it
03:31:57 um but there’s a word
03:32:00 i i don’t know if this is where bree’s
03:32:03 going but there’s a word called
03:32:04 that’s fulfilled that gets really
03:32:06 confusing
03:32:09 if you don’t have the hebrew mindset
03:32:12 of that word because the greeks only
03:32:17 well especially in today’s world they
03:32:19 people teach that fulfill means to get
03:32:21 rid of
03:32:22 and that’s not what it means um
03:32:25 especially in the hebrew mindset and
03:32:28 we can get into that or i can let
03:32:30 refinish what she was
03:32:31 talking about no you’re doing beautiful
03:32:34 oh okay you’re doing beautifully
03:32:38 continue hon sure sure but
03:32:46 just as the book of mormon and joseph
03:32:48 smith brings out and
03:32:49 even the the bible itself brings out the
03:32:52 gospel doesn’t change
03:32:54 and i i think most people will admit
03:32:58 or at least someone admit that the
03:33:01 10 commandments are still in force
03:33:04 but even then they’re just like oh it
03:33:06 doesn’t really matter
03:33:08 a lot of christians will say well it’s
03:33:10 nailed to the cross
03:33:12 meaning you don’t have to do it again
03:33:14 after
03:33:15 jesus died on the cross in fact i find
03:33:18 it
03:33:19 funny that before the cross
03:33:23 satan was tempting us not to keep the
03:33:25 law but now after the cross
03:33:27 this is what people teach it’s false but
03:33:30 they teach
03:33:31 well now satan’s tempting us to keep the
03:33:33 law
03:33:34 that’s just ridiculous if you ask me
03:33:39 and that that’s going off in fact
03:33:42 on the lectures on faith joseph smith
03:33:45 teaches that a god
03:33:49 who changes the rules is a respecter of
03:33:53 persons
03:33:54 and you can’t have faith unto salvation
03:33:57 for someone who’s a respecter of persons
03:34:00 because that means he has different laws
03:34:02 for different people and you don’t know
03:34:04 what law is for you
03:34:05 versus someone else so how could you
03:34:07 have faith in it
03:34:09 if it’s changing in different laws
03:34:13 and that’s just like if i can interject
03:34:15 just a minute
03:34:17 um that’s just like the brethren
03:34:21 have said thus saith the lord
03:34:24 is not necessary anymore when
03:34:28 the lord gives a message
03:34:31 to his servants well
03:34:36 fearful that our father in heaven
03:34:41 that came down he is the same yesterday
03:34:45 today and forever
03:34:49 and he doesn’t walk in perfect path
03:34:53 and so in the book of mormon we’re told
03:34:57 that he gives the same words
03:35:00 the same gospel to
03:35:03 one people as he would to another
03:35:06 people he is consistent
03:35:10 he is faithful therefore we
03:35:14 can trust him we can have
03:35:17 faith in him because
03:35:20 he does not change
03:35:24 right and joseph smith has a quote about
03:35:28 the fact
03:35:28 that if we with this understanding we
03:35:31 can look through all the sacred
03:35:33 writ the old testament new testament dnc
03:35:37 book of mormon and see that god gospel
03:35:40 is the same
03:35:41 throughout the whole all these records
03:35:44 including
03:35:45 today because including the part of the
03:35:48 record that’s after his
03:35:49 resurrection because the book of mormon
03:35:51 has parts of that
03:35:53 um and so does the new testament
03:35:57 in fact most of the new testament after
03:35:59 the resurrection
03:36:00 right um because it’s
03:36:04 and beyond is all after uh
03:36:07 yeshua’s resurrection where
03:36:10 i i don’t know percentage but most of
03:36:13 the book of mormon is before
03:36:16 but there is stuff after and in fact
03:36:22 go along with fulfill uh i don’t know if
03:36:26 i’ve shared this one with free or not
03:36:27 but so one thing that we’re taught in
03:36:30 the scriptures
03:36:31 is that when we teach other people
03:36:35 [Music]
03:36:36 we’re we’re forgiven right of ourselves
03:36:42 um and also when another point here is
03:36:46 where baptized
03:36:49 we’re actually preaching the gospel
03:36:52 because we
03:36:52 as paul puts it we go we die we go under
03:36:56 the water as we’re dead
03:36:57 as old people and then we come up a new
03:37:00 alive in christ like christ resurrected
03:37:04 um but in we take those two concepts
03:37:07 and put it together um
03:37:11 let me find it moroni 8 25
03:37:15 this is interesting and the first verse
03:37:18 of
03:37:18 repentance is baptism
03:37:22 and baptism cometh by faith onto the
03:37:25 full
03:37:25 fulfilling of the commandments
03:37:28 and the fulfilling commandments brings
03:37:30 the remission of sins
03:37:33 so one of the hubert
03:37:36 view of fulfill is to teach
03:37:40 and as
03:37:44 that verse shows there um
03:37:47 [Music]
03:37:48 because we’re teaching christ
03:37:52 um because we’re doing the baptism while
03:37:54 going down
03:37:55 and it’s actually teaching about the
03:37:57 death and resurrection
03:37:59 and because of the teaching
03:38:03 we get
03:38:06 [Music]
03:38:07 we’re forgiven of our sins when we’re
03:38:09 teaching comments to people
03:38:12 um anyways i it’s
03:38:18 [Music]
03:38:20 i’m not getting much back all the
03:38:23 i think he’s trying to say something and
03:38:25 i’m getting static so it makes it hard
03:38:27 to
03:38:28 have him typing you can try
03:38:32 ebong you want to speak
03:38:41 i he’s trying i see the
03:38:44 picture go up and down but it’s just
03:38:47 coming in as static
03:39:07 from
03:39:22 the way you say it the way you put it
03:39:25 all together
03:39:29 people getting lost people are no longer
03:39:32 doing
03:39:33 the right you know doing it the right
03:39:35 way
03:39:37 um most people are doing things for
03:39:39 themselves
03:39:40 because they want to be looking good
03:39:44 and they they’re not they’re not doing
03:39:47 exactly
03:39:48 like what
03:40:02 and most of the stories in the book i’ve
03:40:04 read and i’ve
03:40:05 learned that
03:40:09 when people were obedient
03:40:14 distributing partners they were blessed
03:40:17 so and that makes sense to me when you
03:40:20 say that
03:40:21 um that we all and also come back to
03:40:24 what’s safe for that we you know and
03:40:27 they were all equal
03:40:28 there was no one above
03:40:31 so i i really i really liked it
03:40:34 i like what you think sure
03:40:38 and to go along with um the baptism and
03:40:41 wanting to help people
03:40:43 uh because you’re i think you’re you’re
03:40:45 breaking up
03:40:46 some but i think you’re trying to bring
03:40:47 out how a lot of people
03:40:49 are so self-centered but in mosiah
03:40:53 chapter 18 it brings out the the
03:40:55 covenant
03:40:56 for baptism is wanting to help our
03:40:58 fellow men
03:41:00 to mourn with those that mourn um to
03:41:03 comfort those instead of comfort
03:41:06 but just
03:41:10 in word it is indeed correct
03:41:13 yeah word word indeed well we’re told in
03:41:17 the church we’re taught
03:41:19 oh you can mourn you know and it’s
03:41:21 pretty much
03:41:22 oh i’ll pray for you or oh
03:41:25 i’ll you know um i just hope things work
03:41:30 out for you no that’s not really morning
03:41:34 um it’s just like a word of
03:41:37 encouragement
03:41:38 instead of actually imparting of your
03:41:42 substance as the message from the angel
03:41:45 given to king benjamin and mosiah
03:41:52 well and i think it’s also going to be
03:41:54 right there by their side
03:41:56 so depending on what the issue is hold
03:41:58 band
03:41:59 yes uh attack them to your table
03:42:03 yes yeah and cry with them
03:42:06 [Music]
03:42:08 lend them your shoulder let them cry on
03:42:10 your shoulder it’s not just oh i’ll pray
03:42:12 for you i hope you feel better it’s to
03:42:14 be there
03:42:15 for them you lift their burden
03:42:18 you remember we um we
03:42:21 looked up the word belief and we were
03:42:25 talking about how the leaders are saying
03:42:29 you know to pray for
03:42:33 um it’s okay that you’re not healed oh
03:42:36 yeah
03:42:37 uh so i don’t know if you want to be
03:42:39 healed
03:42:40 yeah in the last couple years the eldest
03:42:43 church leaders have been teaching to
03:42:45 have faith not to be healed
03:42:46 um which is completely contrary to the
03:42:49 scriptures in fact
03:42:51 it’s contrary even to the sign of the
03:42:53 believers because one of the signs of
03:42:55 the believers
03:42:57 is healings
03:43:00 but i think they’re saying that because
03:43:05 they’re not healing anybody i mean just
03:43:08 the fact that they bring back all these
03:43:10 missionaries home
03:43:11 is where there’s an epidemic of sick
03:43:14 people
03:43:15 supposedly right why are they calling
03:43:17 them home and not having them go out and
03:43:19 heal people
03:43:20 it’s because they can’t heal they don’t
03:43:22 have the power that they claim
03:43:25 but anyways
03:43:32 yes
03:43:45 yes so the part where you say um
03:43:48 that why are they calling the
03:43:49 missionaries home
03:43:51 and yet this is the best time that they
03:43:54 are supposed to exercise their faith
03:43:57 um good morning people visiting people
03:44:00 in their homes and
03:44:01 bring them in them it’s the time that
03:44:05 they are supposed to stand as the
03:44:08 mediator
03:44:09 as um some commissioners that were
03:44:13 saying
03:44:14 like just like the thing that because
03:44:16 the authority were given the apostles
03:44:18 but they were sent out to go and heal to
03:44:21 go and preach
03:44:22 to god bless the life but
03:44:26 they i wonder why like church goes to
03:44:29 terrified
03:44:31 and remove the missionaries away at the
03:44:34 time when
03:44:35 everyone else needs help so bad
03:44:38 well i think it’s because he’s serving
03:44:41 wrong master because alma 32
03:44:46 was done at a time when
03:44:49 everybody else was ignoring the people
03:44:52 right
03:44:52 and they’re casting them out and alma
03:44:56 actually
03:44:57 i think i might be reading into the text
03:45:00 some but he was discouraged
03:45:01 for a while but then he started seeing
03:45:04 people who
03:45:05 were accepting it because of their
03:45:07 poverty or their bad situation
03:45:10 this is the time that some people’s
03:45:12 hearts are pricked
03:45:14 um because of the bad circumstances
03:45:17 this is like you’re saying yvonne this
03:45:20 is the time to have them
03:45:21 out not to call them home
03:45:26 this is the opportunity that
03:45:29 is given
03:45:33 to glorify
03:45:36 our savior right
03:45:40 i mean um a story that i just remembered
03:45:44 from the new testament
03:45:45 the the person that was born blind
03:45:49 what did joshua say about that it was an
03:45:52 opportunity for
03:45:53 for god to show forth his power it
03:45:55 wasn’t because of his sins
03:45:57 to show forth his power now here’s an
03:45:59 opportune time for
03:46:01 lots of that to happen and they’re not
03:46:04 taking advantage of in fact
03:46:07 let me get a verse from the book of
03:46:09 mormon
03:46:10 it brings out how miracles
03:46:14 can cause people to convert to the truth
03:46:19 so alma 23
03:46:22 6 and as
03:46:25 sure as the lord liveth so sure as many
03:46:29 as
03:46:29 believed or as many as were brought to
03:46:32 the knowledge of truth through the
03:46:33 preaching of ammon and his brethren
03:46:36 according to the spirit of revelation
03:46:38 and
03:46:39 prophecy meaning fulfilling the future
03:46:43 right and
03:46:46 the power of god working miracles in
03:46:49 them
03:46:51 yeah i say unto you as the lord livest
03:46:54 as many of the lamanites that believed
03:46:56 in their preachings were converted unto
03:46:58 the lord
03:46:59 and never fell away but
03:47:02 miracles were part of their conversion
03:47:05 this is a great time for miracles
03:47:09 but they call them home also the other
03:47:13 thing is
03:47:13 prophecy prophecy converts people
03:47:18 in fact prophecy is specifically for
03:47:21 non-believers
03:47:24 but the eldest members claim
03:47:28 the prophet doesn’t give prophecy
03:47:29 because the non-believers won’t believe
03:47:32 but that’s it’s not for the belief
03:47:34 prophecy
03:47:35 is not for the believers it’s for the
03:47:37 non-believers
03:47:39 right it’s to show him show them
03:47:43 that he is aware
03:47:46 of all of their needs
03:47:50 and he tells them what’s going to happen
03:47:54 before it happens so
03:47:58 they can grow in trusting
03:48:03 right so that you can see that he knows
03:48:06 all from the beginning to the end
03:48:11 and that it’s not the idols
03:48:14 that did it that are doing it yeah so
03:48:17 there’s multiple reasons for it
03:48:19 um but the prophecies
03:48:22 basically mostly for the non-believers
03:48:25 to help them
03:48:27 learn of the way and start believing it
03:48:29 because they saw it come true
03:48:32 [Music]
03:48:34 it’s also for the believer to help
03:48:36 prepare for the future
03:48:38 but they don’t need it as much as the
03:48:40 unbelievers the non-believers need it
03:48:42 much more
03:48:42 than the believers
03:48:49 but they’re
03:48:52 the aldi’s leaders aren’t giving
03:48:55 prophecies
03:48:57 that would convert people now that is if
03:48:59 you believe what the book of mormon
03:49:00 teaches
03:49:02 anyways it’s actually late enough for me
03:49:05 that i need to go
03:49:06 um it says
03:49:10 fire fruit
03:49:13 yeah so i think it’s is it matthew’s
03:49:16 you’re breaking that stephen you’re
03:49:18 breaking that
03:49:19 oh my matthew 7 brings out fruits
03:49:23 um and i i have a
03:49:27 post on that that i kind of like of
03:49:29 course maybe because i wrote it
03:49:31 [Music]
03:49:34 uh i’ll just read the little summary
03:49:37 that
03:49:38 before i go but because i actually need
03:49:40 to get going but in matthew 7
03:49:43 15-20 jesus teaches us that we will
03:49:46 shall know prophets by their fruits
03:49:49 matthew 16 you shall
03:49:51 know them by their fruits jesus did not
03:49:53 say you shall
03:49:54 know their fruits of being a prophet
03:49:56 after you believe
03:49:58 that they are a prophet on the contrary
03:50:00 jesus is showing us that one
03:50:02 important principle is of not being
03:50:05 deceived
03:50:06 before you can know that someone is the
03:50:08 title that they claim to have from god
03:50:11 you must know of their fruits we must
03:50:14 have acknowledge of the fruits of the
03:50:16 title before you can study it out in our
03:50:19 minds
03:50:22 so we can take it to the lord to confirm
03:50:25 that title comes from him dnc
03:50:28 9-8 dnc 9 talks about how we need to
03:50:32 study it out
03:50:33 then take it to god and reserve a call
03:50:36 receive a confirmation
03:50:38 how do you study it out if you don’t
03:50:40 know what their fruits are
03:50:44 anyways i’ve asked i’ve never gotten an
03:50:48 answer
03:50:49 what nelson’s fruits of a prophet
03:50:52 or seer or revelator are
03:50:56 he has none no fruits
03:51:03 anyways i i need to get going um
03:51:07 it’s late enough for me um yeah it’s
03:51:10 it’s one in the morning here it’s 3
03:51:13 30 in the morning for me oh yeah
03:51:18 i’m two hours ahead of you
03:51:22 i know i’m sorry no i’d keep going but
03:51:25 i’m
03:51:26 i want to uh cut it off so that way i’m
03:51:29 not
03:51:29 bothering my wife um right
03:51:32 we want happy happy spouse
03:51:36 but evan we’re doing this again on on
03:51:38 saturday
03:51:39 if you want to join us on saturday
03:51:48 say that knowledge knowledge is very
03:51:51 good
03:51:52 there is a quote that there is there is
03:51:56 someone told me something that that in
03:51:59 heaven
03:52:00 that what you learn from here i think
03:52:02 that was uh
03:52:03 that was denver yeah you know in one of
03:52:06 his articles he says something like
03:52:08 um the knowledge that you will obtain
03:52:10 from here it’s the same knowledge
03:52:13 to talk to you in the time the next life
03:52:16 so if that india was advising most of
03:52:20 his followers that they should learn
03:52:22 as much as possible because
03:52:26 this is the only time to man and if you
03:52:28 cannot not now
03:52:29 then in in the next life is going to be
03:52:31 too late for you
03:52:33 well hosanna uh in the old testament
03:52:36 hosanna 4
03:52:37 6 says my people are destroyed
03:52:41 hosea 4 6. my people are destroyed for
03:52:45 the lack of knowledge
03:52:47 yeah we want to
03:52:50 go study things out and learn um
03:52:54 because if you don’t know the way you’ll
03:52:56 be deceived into
03:52:58 doing something that’s against his way
03:53:03 anyways so
03:53:07 um so before we leave
03:53:13 before we leave no um
03:53:16 and we can turn off the recording
03:53:20 and can we have prayer together sure
03:53:24 let me turn off the recording and we’ll
03:53:25 do prayer