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Teachers and priests were prepared before the foundation of the world just as Yeshua was. Many get prophecies wrong because they don’t believe Daniel 9, which is about Yeshua doing the atonement, has happened. Yeshua called the writings Torah. Paul called the prophets, specifically Isaiah Torah. Torah specifically states you can remarry after being divorced. If there is no law why do you need a Saviour? Grace is for the past not the future. A new creator does new things not the old things with a new excuse. Looked at the word like. A person’s pronoun is not this. Paul is misunderstood. Started reading and expounding Helaman (LDS 6) together and bring out a connection to Torah in it. Standing means constant not changing. Follow means imitate. How is entice used in the Bible. A kiss means trust. Women caught in adultry is in the Hebrew gospels. Lehi was not a polygamist and could not use the levirate law to be one. The pronouns Nephi uses at times also does not prove Lehi was a polygamist when you look at all such verses. Some people will seek wickedness while they are in Zion. Secret combinations are controlled by a church. The wicked leaders do some good so the followers have some justification to follow them. Russel M Nelson is a member of Skull and Bones. The meaning of YHWH is in 3 Nephi (LDS 11). It’s good to spend some time trying to understand prophecies, but don’t get hung up on it, but we should be focusing on knowing and keeping the law / Torah.

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  From Heart to Heart An Autobiography Russell M Nelson
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00:00:00 foreign
00:00:02 so one thought I had throughout this
00:00:05 last week is
00:00:08 um
00:00:08 I’m a 13 where it talks about how
00:00:12 um
00:00:12 the
00:00:14 the priests and the teachers and the
00:00:16 prophets
00:00:17 were or
00:00:19 dained before the foundation of the
00:00:21 world right and they were taught before
00:00:23 the foundation of the world right and I
00:00:25 think it’s the beginning of 13.
00:00:27 um
00:00:28 these priests were doing it after the
00:00:30 order of his son and the men are thereby
00:00:32 that the people might in might know in
00:00:35 what Manner to look forward to his son
00:00:37 for Redemption so I do think
00:00:40 one part of that
00:00:42 is how Yeshua was prepared from the
00:00:46 foundation in the world
00:00:48 that’s why these teachers were prepared
00:00:51 before the foundation of the world also
00:00:55 okay that’s an interesting because that
00:00:57 is
00:00:58 because a big point of this was
00:01:02 ver these verses here
00:01:04 is how that it was done in a manner to
00:01:08 get them to look forward to the Messiah
00:01:10 yes
00:01:12 meaning it points them to the Messiah
00:01:16 and and here it is talking about how
00:01:19 they were prepared before the foundation
00:01:21 of the world just which Yeshua was
00:01:25 hmm
00:01:26 so that makes that makes me wonder how
00:01:29 Alma knew who to work
00:01:32 sorry say that one more time it makes me
00:01:35 wonder how Alma knew who are dating the
00:01:37 spirit the
00:01:45 um I I think there’s multiple things to
00:01:47 it though
00:01:48 um because one
00:01:49 they’re
00:01:51 they’re works right right they’ll know
00:01:54 them by their Works
00:01:57 um
00:01:58 is one way I I do believe another thing
00:02:02 that I
00:02:06 the bigger the the church the the the
00:02:10 the
00:02:10 more careful you have to be and whatnot
00:02:13 I I do believe
00:02:15 that
00:02:18 um
00:02:19 on some things I do think Alma would
00:02:22 have heard a voice say you know do this
00:02:24 one or they prayed about and got a
00:02:25 confirmation and stuff like that right
00:02:26 right
00:02:28 um
00:02:29 but I where other times
00:02:32 I mean he didn’t do the whole everything
00:02:35 in the church so he just let other
00:02:37 people who were that had that
00:02:39 um stewardship take care of that right
00:02:43 um so
00:02:45 I I don’t believe I don’t know where to
00:02:48 get told for every single calling
00:02:51 um but those who had the high priesthood
00:02:55 the Melchizedek right he would have
00:02:56 known that known about the God’s voice
00:02:59 that told him that that person had it
00:03:01 right but on the aaronic side the lower
00:03:05 priesthood
00:03:07 um
00:03:08 but I think it’s just a little different
00:03:10 there
00:03:11 um but at the same time there is a big
00:03:13 part of your works
00:03:15 mm-hmm right yeah you have to bring
00:03:18 forth you have to bring forth the works
00:03:20 of righteousness
00:03:22 right I mean even we talked about
00:03:25 um earlier before the recording about
00:03:28 um
00:03:29 mosiah I mean Alma in mosiah
00:03:32 um
00:03:33 and his statement about you know
00:03:37 would you say it was Matt
00:03:39 um mosiah 25
00:03:41 Mosaic 25 there was all system important
00:03:45 stuff in chapter 19.
00:03:47 as well yeah and I looked in some notes
00:03:49 there’s some in 23 too um but anyway so
00:03:52 it’s in a couple places but basically
00:03:54 the alma told them don’t teach anything
00:03:56 unless I taught it or the prophets
00:03:59 taught it right
00:04:01 now I I don’t think Alma was an
00:04:03 exception
00:04:05 Alma was a prophet
00:04:08 I just think they did an extra emphasis
00:04:12 on Alma because he was the head of the
00:04:13 church
00:04:16 right and so he was in charge of making
00:04:18 everything was fine
00:04:21 so
00:04:22 um but they didn’t he didn’t say just
00:04:24 only what I taught
00:04:26 what I taught and tell me what I taught
00:04:28 within the last three years
00:04:30 or or in this one verse yeah or this one
00:04:35 versus what I thought just this one yeah
00:04:38 don’t don’t worry about context right
00:04:41 just just or let’s just make it this one
00:04:43 sentence right anyways this one section
00:04:47 this one this one two these two lines of
00:04:49 a verse or this does this one word
00:04:54 saved there we go we can say we’re
00:04:58 teaching from the scriptures we said
00:04:59 saved yeah oh
00:05:04 there’s a guy I I kind of like I know a
00:05:07 little bit I listened to an audiobook
00:05:08 about some Charles
00:05:10 Burrington or something like that I
00:05:12 listened to audiobook of some of his
00:05:14 teachings and he he has a saying someone
00:05:18 along the lines well
00:05:20 when you’re preachers preached from the
00:05:22 Bible make sure they don’t mix up all
00:05:24 the words
00:05:27 right don’t take the it’s not a word
00:05:31 soup alphabet soup that you can put in
00:05:33 whatever order you want them to be in
00:05:34 they had they were in a specific order
00:05:36 in purpose for their content and meeting
00:05:39 and just going off how a lot of people
00:05:41 take stuff out of context right yeah
00:05:45 they reorder whole chapters uh-huh
00:05:49 oh yeah and we’ll just cut the and we’ll
00:05:52 just cut uh Deuteronomy out of the Bible
00:05:56 it was nice after the fact
00:05:59 from my studies that was yeshua’s
00:06:02 favorite book from Torah was Deuteronomy
00:06:04 yep
00:06:06 um so again and these same people will
00:06:09 try to talk like they understand Isaiah
00:06:12 when Isaiah quotes deuteronomous and
00:06:14 Deuteronomy holy so on this issue these
00:06:18 guys are unstudied not not that I know
00:06:20 everything okay I don’t but I study but
00:06:23 and I don’t go study pretended Mysteries
00:06:26 because a lot of these Isaiah people
00:06:30 that their interpretation of Prophecy is
00:06:33 way off because they have Daniel 9 way
00:06:37 off which is a
00:06:39 a big important thing to help you
00:06:42 understand the rest of Isaiah but
00:06:44 anyways
00:06:45 um that’s that’s a squirrel we can get
00:06:48 there if you want there was uh there was
00:06:50 another verse that was spoken of on the
00:06:53 uh wait wait a minute let me let me do
00:06:55 this real quick
00:06:56 this this one I do not want to Sidetrack
00:06:58 off the other ones I’m fine with but so
00:07:04 law Torah Yeshua
00:07:07 called the writings Torah
00:07:11 so here’s Yeshua Yeshua answered them it
00:07:14 is not written in your law Torah
00:07:18 I said e r
00:07:20 elohims quoting Psalms 82 6. now this is
00:07:26 judges is a better interpretation
00:07:28 translation of this but the main point I
00:07:31 have here Yeshua called Psalms Torah
00:07:36 the law
00:07:38 now Paul in his new testament writings
00:07:41 he called the other portion of the
00:07:44 technology
00:07:45 the prophets the law
00:07:48 specifically Isaiah
00:07:51 [Laughter]
00:07:54 just got just go along with the context
00:07:56 we’re going talking about here right
00:07:58 because they loved their Isaiah but Paul
00:08:01 calls Isaiah’s writings Torah First
00:08:05 Corinthians 14 21 in Torah it is written
00:08:09 and that is it is written that’s a law
00:08:13 Torah phrase right yep specific with men
00:08:19 of other tongues and other lips will I
00:08:22 speak unto this people and yet for all
00:08:24 that they hear they not hear me saith
00:08:28 Yahweh and that’s quoting Isaiah 28
00:08:30 11-12
00:08:33 so
00:08:34 those who say that law is done away with
00:08:36 but one is today Isaiah you have some
00:08:40 real problems
00:08:43 well consistent Isaiah is the law
00:08:46 Isaiah’s Torah consistency being the
00:08:48 being you have some real problems with
00:08:51 consistency of your message uh yeah
00:08:54 obviously but anyways
00:08:56 they have a lot of inconsistencies but
00:08:59 I’m just going off of this one they say
00:09:01 the Law’s done away with Paul’s calling
00:09:04 Isaiah law so if you were consistent you
00:09:09 need to be done with Isaiah
00:09:12 but I’m not saying don’t do that I’m
00:09:15 just saying
00:09:16 get a better understanding
00:09:18 of what needs to be done so sorry anyway
00:09:22 so what did you want to say Matt
00:09:24 uh well there was uh
00:09:26 there was a discussion on doctrine of
00:09:29 Christ group where somebody came on and
00:09:31 a doctrine of Christ discussions group
00:09:33 somebody came on and said hey I’m new to
00:09:35 the group uh you know
00:09:38 I’m
00:09:40 uh you know I’m I’m divorced starting up
00:09:45 yeah she was divorced and she was
00:09:49 worried about the part where Yeshua in
00:09:52 Matthew 19 uh in verse 9 where he
00:09:54 basically States He Who puts his wife
00:09:57 away to get with another woman yeah yeah
00:10:00 in danger of committing adultery well
00:10:04 what they but one of one of our fine
00:10:07 friends said was this
00:10:10 that he did not believe that that
00:10:13 statement
00:10:14 was an original was from the original
00:10:17 that he believed that that was a that
00:10:20 that was added later
00:10:23 okay so oh he’s now now we’re dicing up
00:10:27 the words of Christ
00:10:34 I I think his intent is that divorce is
00:10:36 okay which I actually do agree with but
00:10:38 because he doesn’t know the law he
00:10:40 doesn’t know how to approach that
00:10:43 and so what he does is he opens up what
00:10:46 he does is he opens up the can of worms
00:10:48 whereby we can now look at the words of
00:10:50 Christ and decide okay I like that word
00:10:52 and that so that was something that
00:10:54 Christ said I don’t want that that’s
00:10:56 something so in this case I don’t know
00:10:58 if that’s that does open that door okay
00:11:02 but I
00:11:04 not knowing him on other subjects I
00:11:07 don’t know if that’s actually what he’s
00:11:07 doing but considering you know where
00:11:10 he’s at that that probably is what he’s
00:11:12 doing you know who he is
00:11:15 all right here let me
00:11:20 so bad
00:11:22 okay so I I do believe
00:11:28 divorce and remarriage
00:11:30 has a place but the thing and I don’t
00:11:33 know how much to get into this in fact
00:11:35 this is a subject that I need to I’m
00:11:37 actually addressing this in my uh King
00:11:40 David’s sin Brigham Young’s lust post so
00:11:44 I’ll have a bit of notes on it and
00:11:46 the the basic idea here is there’s two
00:11:51 parts of divorce there’s a certificate
00:11:54 and then there’s ascending away
00:11:56 yes now a problem that was going on
00:11:59 during yeshua’s time is
00:12:03 in the marriage agreement
00:12:07 there was a divorce clause and
00:12:11 and that’s typical with the Hebrews okay
00:12:14 where in today’s culture if you have
00:12:17 those like a prenuptial basically what
00:12:20 it is right that’s considered bad in
00:12:23 today’s culture
00:12:25 like you don’t trust your partner yeah
00:12:27 hold on let me
00:12:30 so in in yeshua’s day there was a
00:12:33 problem
00:12:34 of
00:12:37 the men not wanting to abide by the
00:12:42 um
00:12:44 divorce portion of the marriage so
00:12:47 instead of divorcing them
00:12:50 they would just send them out
00:12:53 yeah making the woman and not taking
00:12:56 care of them and making the woman
00:12:58 destitute and so some of these women
00:13:01 would go
00:13:04 quote unquote Larry again which is not
00:13:07 exactly marriage right but it kind of is
00:13:09 and so yeah those ones that were when
00:13:12 the husband just sent out the wife
00:13:15 without the certificate which they
00:13:17 didn’t want to do because they didn’t
00:13:18 want to pay
00:13:19 um the support that was in the
00:13:21 certificate if there was a divorce
00:13:23 and that woman married again
00:13:26 yeah she was committing adultery because
00:13:28 she was not divorced because she was
00:13:30 just that’s like in today’s terminology
00:13:34 a husband and wife getting separated but
00:13:37 never getting divorced
00:13:39 but then one of them gets married again
00:13:42 people know that’s adultery today right
00:13:44 because you didn’t fully divorce you
00:13:47 just separated that’s what he’s talking
00:13:50 about there and I I can get into the
00:13:52 details if you want but that’s the gist
00:13:55 of it yeah yeah I have no yeah I see
00:14:01 um when you go to the Greek anyways in
00:14:03 the Hebrew but yeah that’s the gist of
00:14:06 what’s going on there well and and what
00:14:08 yeah he was speaking against and they
00:14:10 were they actually had kind of put up an
00:14:13 oral tradition supporting that practice
00:14:16 as well
00:14:18 right and so
00:14:21 if the wife
00:14:23 if the husband really would not get
00:14:27 do the divorce if the wife pushed it
00:14:30 um the elders have the authority to
00:14:33 force it on them right or kick him out
00:14:35 of the country
00:14:37 um
00:14:38 right because there’s this there’s the
00:14:41 church in the state because first the
00:14:42 church would take care of it if it and
00:14:44 he wouldn’t listen to the church court
00:14:46 they would then go to the state court
00:14:48 which you know has some power there but
00:14:51 anyways
00:14:52 um so
00:14:54 the woman didn’t just have to to deal
00:14:57 with it
00:14:58 if she
00:15:00 wanted to keep the law she could
00:15:02 get the elders to get the husband to do
00:15:05 something either take her back if she
00:15:07 wanted that or do the actual divorce so
00:15:10 that way she’d get her support that was
00:15:11 in part of the marriage contract
00:15:15 um it’s just people weren’t doing it
00:15:18 then or a majority of them weren’t right
00:15:21 they were just doing it was easy
00:15:24 right the people were doing instead of
00:15:26 doing what is right
00:15:27 um so anyways that’s the gist of it we
00:15:31 can get into the details dirty details
00:15:34 of it if you want but
00:15:36 there’s two parts of divorce
00:15:38 certificate
00:15:40 and separation
00:15:41 what was going on in yeshua’s time was
00:15:43 just separation
00:15:45 and without the support which anyways
00:15:49 um not good not good which is in today’s
00:15:53 world is separation and then go and get
00:15:56 married again everybody today knows
00:15:57 that’s adultery and it’s not allowed
00:16:00 that’s what’s going on in that verse
00:16:02 that Yeshua is talking about but because
00:16:04 people don’t know the ins and outs of
00:16:06 the law and what was going on then
00:16:09 they also something else yeah
00:16:14 yeah they think it’s another one of his
00:16:16 messages against the law
00:16:19 but that’s because they’re uneducated or
00:16:22 they’re complete deceivers I think most
00:16:25 people are just deceived
00:16:27 but then they get convinced about their
00:16:29 deceptions and they become deceivers but
00:16:32 I think somebody
00:16:33 deceivers don’t really know the law and
00:16:36 some deceivers do right so it depends on
00:16:38 what level
00:16:41 now if you’re a fever who doesn’t really
00:16:43 know the law I suppose it would be
00:16:46 well in this case he might just be
00:16:49 deceived I don’t know him enough
00:16:52 personally and I haven’t done enough
00:16:54 interactions with them to to
00:16:56 uh have an opinion if he’s
00:16:59 deceived or a deceiver right just
00:17:02 because you’re deceiving doesn’t mean
00:17:03 you’re a deceiver just yeah it’s true
00:17:06 um because if you say something that’s
00:17:09 not true but you actually think it’s
00:17:11 true you’re not a liar
00:17:13 for you to be a liar you have to know
00:17:16 it’s not true when you say it right and
00:17:18 continue to
00:17:21 but even if he thinks it’s true
00:17:26 that’s still bad because when you get up
00:17:28 to the gate to heaven
00:17:30 if you your ignorance is not going to
00:17:33 save you right and but also if you
00:17:36 Matthew 5 Sermon on the Mount if you
00:17:39 teach against these Commandments even
00:17:42 the smallest one
00:17:44 it’s not going to be good for you all
00:17:46 right I mean we can go look at the exact
00:17:48 quote either from New Testament or the
00:17:51 Book of Mormon but it’s it’s not good
00:17:53 for you no it’s not
00:17:56 um and then we could also go look at
00:17:58 Matthew 7 which I think goes along with
00:18:00 it too you know the end
00:18:02 um
00:18:05 I just wonder if the certain amounts of
00:18:07 the chiism that’s something I’d have to
00:18:08 look at because those Concepts kind of
00:18:11 go together right but anyways
00:18:14 um
00:18:15 yeah so I don’t know if you want to go
00:18:17 look into it the place if we want to
00:18:19 really start getting into it would start
00:18:20 with Deuteronomy 24 1-4 and then go on
00:18:24 but I
00:18:25 anyways
00:18:27 that was a long little sermon depending
00:18:29 on I could do more depending how much
00:18:31 detail you want to get into
00:18:33 it
00:18:33 no it’s no this is just the this is just
00:18:38 the foolishness that’s been extended
00:18:40 that we’re being exposed to well
00:18:45 the problem is
00:18:47 he thinks he’s wise when he has no life
00:18:52 and he’s not going to notice that
00:18:55 but he’s married
00:18:58 and the other the other reason why he
00:19:00 would say that is because he has married
00:19:03 a woman who is divorced
00:19:07 has he yes
00:19:09 okay so maybe he’s trying to justify
00:19:13 but well but in this case he doesn’t
00:19:16 have to justify he doesn’t have to
00:19:18 justify because circumstances and
00:19:21 circumstances uh
00:19:24 is a completed divorce like yeah
00:19:28 I took it as a full divorce not
00:19:30 separation yeah yeah but the thing is if
00:19:35 he knew the actual law he wouldn’t have
00:19:37 to be trying to
00:19:40 make us try to twist yeshua’s words
00:19:43 right it wouldn’t have to try to pick
00:19:46 yes it was words against themselves no
00:19:48 he wouldn’t because it’s not saying what
00:19:51 most people think it says but most
00:19:53 people
00:19:54 get deceived because they don’t know the
00:19:57 law and they aren’t willing and they
00:20:00 aren’t willing to go to the effort to to
00:20:02 know and understand well because most of
00:20:04 them think it’s done away with
00:20:07 which it I I know I’ve said this on
00:20:11 recordings before I’m gonna say it again
00:20:12 but if there is no law law why do you
00:20:15 need a savior
00:20:18 and I need that from the Bible
00:20:20 Paul and Book of Mormon if there’s no
00:20:24 law why do you need a savior
00:20:29 so I you know anyways and on top of that
00:20:33 guess what you’re Sanctified by the law
00:20:37 you’re justified by the law so if the
00:20:39 law is done away section 88 right
00:20:44 if the law has been done away with how
00:20:46 are you going to get Sanctified how are
00:20:48 you going to get because because God
00:20:50 Jesus Christ is going to be a respecter
00:20:52 of persons probably and uh and tell you
00:20:55 exactly which
00:20:56 um I think you’ve been reading alistairs
00:21:18 but that is actually a clearly
00:21:21 demonstration and that is actually a
00:21:22 principle that is advocated in Alastair
00:21:25 Crowley’s Bible right
00:21:27 well I I I can
00:21:30 um take his summary of his Bible do it
00:21:33 that will that is the whole of the law
00:21:35 bam yeah
00:21:37 that’s his own summary
00:21:40 um
00:21:41 which you know it’s sad I’ve seen some
00:21:44 restoration
00:21:46 fellowships
00:21:48 push that as Doctrine
00:21:52 that’s
00:21:53 yeah no and say that they’re saying that
00:21:57 they say that they’re coming up with new
00:21:59 scripture
00:22:00 yeah I I and they’re coming with their
00:22:03 own new scripture book there’s a couple
00:22:04 of them that aren’t along those same
00:22:06 lines but
00:22:08 um we might be thinking of the same one
00:22:09 but we’re not going to name names on the
00:22:11 recordings no names no names named yeah
00:22:14 um anyways it’s sad
00:22:17 um
00:22:18 but yeah anyways
00:22:21 if you would learn the law he would know
00:22:24 he would not have to try to justify it
00:22:25 he would just learn how to
00:22:29 um explain it if he wants
00:22:32 um hopefully this week I’ll finish this
00:22:34 post so you can review it
00:22:37 um and you can give it to him I’m going
00:22:39 to explain it in there that’d be great
00:22:41 because it goes along with the post
00:22:43 because it goes along with calling out
00:22:45 part of the Brigham Young statement so
00:22:47 that’s why I’m bringing it in
00:22:50 um but anyways and there’s plenty of
00:22:53 examples in the scriptures too but yeah
00:23:00 um
00:23:02 anyways unless you want to get deep into
00:23:05 it there’s not too much more to say I I
00:23:07 just
00:23:08 not much more to say No in fact we were
00:23:12 able to actually help my brother Josh
00:23:14 work through some depress or sadness he
00:23:18 was feeling about his own divorce
00:23:21 this is not Andrew Josh this is Josh
00:23:24 there’s a lot of divorce going around in
00:23:26 my and there’s a lot of divorce in
00:23:28 marriage struggles going around in my
00:23:30 family right now I’m sorry to hear that
00:23:33 but uh Josh and Josh and his wife Joshua
00:23:37 Point Blank stated he’s like you know
00:23:41 according to the law though I’d be in
00:23:43 pretty deep hot water because I know
00:23:45 myself you know and if I meet somebody
00:23:46 new and they want to you know push
00:23:49 forward the band The bounds of a
00:23:52 relationship I know myself I’ll want to
00:23:55 push it forward I’m like well Josh this
00:23:58 is the divorce final
00:24:01 are you fulfilling your end of the
00:24:03 divorce bargain uh the terms of the
00:24:06 divorce then if you aren’t fulfilling
00:24:08 the terms of the divorce by the law
00:24:11 you can marry in fact here let’s just
00:24:13 recover I’m not gonna we won’t go deep
00:24:16 but let’s just read Deuteronomy 24 1-4
00:24:19 especially the last part because the
00:24:21 last part actually brings out how you
00:24:23 can marry a kid and if it’s not even
00:24:25 part of the law yeah
00:24:28 uh so when a man taketh a wife and marry
00:24:31 her and it come to pass he shall find no
00:24:34 favor in his eyes now that’s one of the
00:24:37 things that they were arguing about in
00:24:38 yeshua’s time right what what is that
00:24:40 right and I’m not going to get into that
00:24:42 we’re going to stay simple here because
00:24:45 he have found some uncleanliness in her
00:24:48 unclean then let him write a bill or a
00:24:52 bill of divorcement a little piece of
00:24:54 paper okay
00:24:56 and give it to her and send her out of
00:24:59 her house so two parks certificate send
00:25:03 out
00:25:04 uh separate right and when she departed
00:25:08 out of his house she may go and be
00:25:11 another man’s life oh look at that the
00:25:14 law says after the two parts of
00:25:19 been done
00:25:21 certificate send her out
00:25:24 she may go and be another man’s wife
00:25:26 just
00:25:28 what is that like one two three four
00:25:30 five six seven eight eight words from
00:25:33 the law
00:25:35 really clears it up
00:25:37 yeah but anyways it gets more than that
00:25:40 and let it be
00:25:42 and if the latter husband so if the
00:25:45 second husband
00:25:47 doesn’t want to be married to her and he
00:25:49 writes to Bill divorcement and and give
00:25:51 it in her hand and send to her out of
00:25:53 that house like there’s certificate send
00:25:55 her away
00:25:56 or if the ladder has been dye which took
00:26:00 her to be his wife the former so look
00:26:03 they’re talking about this is a
00:26:04 full-fledged marriage right there right
00:26:05 she got married again
00:26:07 the former husband which sent her away
00:26:10 may not take her again
00:26:12 so once you divorced and you married
00:26:14 someone else in Spanish I would even say
00:26:17 it’s not just married that it’s The
00:26:21 Marriage Act that makes it disqualified
00:26:23 so even if they got legally divorced and
00:26:27 she got sent away and she even just
00:26:29 committed fornication with someone she
00:26:32 couldn’t go marry the the other husband
00:26:33 again it’s the act of having that
00:26:36 intimate relationship that makes it so
00:26:38 they they can’t go married again because
00:26:43 in here it doesn’t say anything that
00:26:45 they can’t get married if again if she
00:26:48 hadn’t got married again so if they got
00:26:50 divorced she didn’t get married they can
00:26:52 then go get married again I I mean
00:26:54 that’s a personal interpretation okay
00:26:57 but that’s what I see because it’s
00:27:00 bringing out how she had to be married
00:27:02 again and I I would actually wonder even
00:27:04 if it’s just committing the act the
00:27:06 intimate act so even if
00:27:08 I read this is me okay
00:27:11 because the word doesn’t say this but
00:27:13 this is how I would interpret it and
00:27:15 understand it even if she committed
00:27:17 fornication
00:27:19 it would make it so she couldn’t marry
00:27:22 the previous husband
00:27:24 so her so moving on her former husband
00:27:28 the first or or anyone previous right
00:27:31 um which sent her away may not take her
00:27:34 again to be his wife
00:27:36 so this is talking about a legitimate
00:27:39 marriage after the first if they just
00:27:42 even without getting into the details of
00:27:44 the certificate and separation you can
00:27:47 get that you can get married again after
00:27:49 divorce without getting into the
00:27:51 nitty-gritty details questions
00:27:54 this just shows that they don’t read the
00:27:55 law no
00:27:57 I know there’s actually some there’s so
00:28:01 much
00:28:02 there’s so much of joyous possibility
00:28:05 with them all
00:28:07 if people were to look at if people were
00:28:10 to actually read it
00:28:12 well it would make it so simple you
00:28:14 wouldn’t be have to justify it
00:28:16 right because I’m assuming she did it
00:28:21 properly
00:28:22 um
00:28:23 I I’m divorced and remarried
00:28:25 I did it properly
00:28:29 um
00:28:30 he needs no justification or twisting
00:28:32 the yeshua’s words he just needs to
00:28:34 understand them
00:28:35 yeah and they’re based in the law
00:28:39 yeah
00:28:41 um well yeah I I just I I encouraged him
00:28:44 to read Matthew chapter 19 because
00:28:47 that’s where Yeshua
00:28:50 expounds upon again
00:28:56 the oral tradition
00:28:58 um next yeah the next time we talk to
00:29:01 him we need to refer him to Deuteronomy
00:29:02 I’m actually about to shoot one sex yeah
00:29:04 shooting the tax performance Deuteronomy
00:29:06 24. yeah I’ll try to finish my post soon
00:29:08 this is today I wanted to try to get the
00:29:11 the Calendar app on Windows and
00:29:15 um
00:29:18 [Music]
00:29:22 okay that’s fine
00:29:24 that’s fine I’ll sleep here then
00:29:26 I’ll sleep here
00:29:29 oh you’re okay I misunderstood you okay
00:29:33 all right sleeping Arrangements
00:29:36 anyways I I TC close the door
00:29:43 okay all right yeah anyways it
00:29:47 um hopefully I can finish the post soon
00:29:48 it’s just I I was
00:29:50 hoping it’d be fairly easy to push the
00:29:55 windows one and
00:29:58 it would be easier if there if I didn’t
00:30:01 find the bug in the framework again so
00:30:04 anyways yeah I’m helping them fix things
00:30:07 [Laughter]
00:30:10 [Music]
00:30:12 so but I I did
00:30:14 um create the account to go push it and
00:30:16 and sent some bug reports that are
00:30:19 actually preventing me from doing it
00:30:21 so I I worked on that and it seems like
00:30:24 those things take longer than they
00:30:26 should but anyways it’s not like I don’t
00:30:28 know it seems like all these things take
00:30:30 longer than they should yeah I feel like
00:30:32 I think that they could just push a
00:30:34 button and boom
00:30:37 so I’m gonna pause for a little bit
00:30:38 because
00:30:40 well
00:30:43 um
00:30:44 so on the uh insulting the character I
00:30:47 get that a lot
00:30:49 because they can’t do it off the law
00:30:52 um
00:30:56 I’ve gotten used to it sadly
00:30:59 but what I hear all the time is
00:31:01 preaching a workspaced Doctrine
00:31:09 uh uh uh James
00:31:12 faith without works yeah dead and you
00:31:16 know why it’s dead because it’s not real
00:31:17 Faith
00:31:18 it’s not a saving Faith
00:31:23 also I don’t understand the that I don’t
00:31:27 understand Grace
00:31:30 um Grace is for the past not the future
00:31:33 yeah well you know
00:31:35 people who say that I don’t understand
00:31:38 Grace are also the same people who want
00:31:40 to uh who want to say that Grace gives
00:31:42 them a free pass to remain in their sins
00:31:43 right and that’s because they’re not a
00:31:46 new creature
00:31:47 new creature uses Grace as an excuse to
00:31:49 keep doing a new creature actually is
00:31:52 someone who does things
00:31:54 who does things a new way not the old
00:31:57 not their own old way that they’re still
00:32:00 doing the reason that we’re supposed to
00:32:02 get past repentance
00:32:04 is because we become a new creature and
00:32:07 we keep the law well if you reap
00:32:13 that’s the purpose of the baptism of
00:32:16 fire the baptism of fire is to help you
00:32:17 to become a new person who can keep the
00:32:20 law was to give you the hope so you know
00:32:24 there is a light at the end of the
00:32:27 tunnel if you do start keeping the law
00:32:28 because if there was no light at the end
00:32:30 of the tunnel
00:32:32 to keep the law
00:32:33 there would be no point to it and
00:32:37 um
00:32:37 second Nephi 9 actually brings out if it
00:32:40 wasn’t
00:32:41 that
00:32:43 uh that hope
00:32:46 and and reality
00:32:49 we would all become servants to Satan I
00:32:53 think it’s angels to the demon or angels
00:32:56 to say we could go look it up the exact
00:32:58 verse
00:33:00 um I know it’s in second eight by nine
00:33:01 but without
00:33:03 that hope that you would get at the
00:33:06 baptism of justification of Fire
00:33:11 you wouldn’t want to try to keep the law
00:33:14 because there would be no hope to look
00:33:16 forward to to keep you going like in uh
00:33:18 ether 12 at the beginning of it talks
00:33:20 about that whole faith hope and charity
00:33:23 and charity is keeping the law if you go
00:33:26 back to Hebrew definition of it
00:33:29 um
00:33:35 they just don’t have a leg to stand on
00:33:37 but but I mean the problem is they’re
00:33:42 not really born again and so they just
00:33:44 find excuses instead of becoming a new
00:33:48 creature and a new creature does things
00:33:50 new ways not old ways right
00:33:54 excuses
00:34:00 if the way
00:34:02 of Christianity is the way of
00:34:05 Christianity worked
00:34:07 where are all our Saints
00:34:11 uh very good point
00:34:15 because I I mean you can just go look
00:34:18 outside how do how do Christians treat
00:34:21 each other
00:34:22 I I mean most of the Facebooks I go into
00:34:25 are supposed Christians and
00:34:28 I I know how they treat me
00:34:30 right even if they didn’t agree with me
00:34:33 obviously they don’t
00:34:34 if they really were Christian or
00:34:38 followers of Yeshua right they wouldn’t
00:34:40 be treating me in the way that they
00:34:42 treat me and I’m sure you guys also yep
00:34:46 it
00:34:49 they just disprove themselves with their
00:34:51 own works oh wait a minute back to that
00:34:53 works thing the gospel is about becoming
00:34:57 in fact
00:34:58 in the New Testament and the Book of
00:35:00 Mormon it talks about how we shall know
00:35:02 him because we’ll be like him yeah
00:35:07 exactly and when the and that and like
00:35:10 is actually something that’s
00:35:11 quantifiable
00:35:13 sure actually you know what let’s go
00:35:15 look up that word just out of for the
00:35:17 heck of it
00:35:19 yeah
00:35:20 since I mean that’s going with the sub
00:35:22 discussion that we’re going right now
00:35:23 all right
00:35:24 mm-hmm
00:35:30 slide
00:35:42 equal in quantity
00:35:45 degree territory
00:35:48 extent with another men like excellence
00:35:52 similar
00:35:56 unto yeah okay
00:35:59 uh three
00:36:01 probably like having resemblance or
00:36:05 appearance
00:36:08 um
00:36:13 by its very definition because of it
00:36:16 because it’s comparative
00:36:18 it’s also quantifiable right right in
00:36:21 fact up here even said quantity has to
00:36:23 do with uh quantifiable all right so
00:36:26 they’re happening with equality
00:36:28 so there has to be a quantifiable
00:36:30 measure of how you are becoming like
00:36:33 Christ
00:36:35 and there is
00:36:37 your fruits
00:36:39 it’s your fruits and it is the law
00:36:41 the law is the art and the law is our
00:36:44 quantifier
00:36:46 yeah
00:36:48 um had like phrase it like to be
00:36:53 uh no I see in the same manner so that
00:36:57 goes along with what you’re saying and
00:36:59 manner oh because I like this one
00:37:01 because I always say the gospel is about
00:37:02 becoming that’s a matter of becoming so
00:37:05 I’m maybe that’s my favorite definition
00:37:07 now of like noise
00:37:11 um well the thing is all these
00:37:13 definitions have their place oh yeah
00:37:15 yeah I think some are better than others
00:37:17 but yes they all pretty much go along
00:37:19 with what we’re saying
00:37:21 to be pleased with in a moderate degree
00:37:24 to approve
00:37:26 which I I still even say this one goes
00:37:28 along with it but I can see how this one
00:37:30 get twisted right
00:37:33 um so this one’s like this one’s like I
00:37:36 I like you
00:37:42 but approved but how are you approved by
00:37:45 Yahweh as if you do yeah
00:37:47 this is Yahweh approved that’s right
00:37:50 right in fact that’s the first
00:37:52 commandment no other judges before me
00:37:56 you care about his judgment the most or
00:38:00 someone else’s judgment more than his
00:38:03 [Music]
00:38:04 no other judge above me
00:38:08 right so ultimately we need to be
00:38:11 looking for his approval his judgments
00:38:18 anyways I I that’s what I’ve seen the
00:38:20 first commandment
00:38:21 s
00:38:24 to please
00:38:27 agreeable
00:38:28 Ah that’s just that could be more with
00:38:32 uh
00:38:33 do it that will right but anyways but
00:38:37 most of these go like with what we’re
00:38:39 saying
00:38:40 to be pleased oh look at this
00:38:42 if you chose
00:38:44 to choose yeah
00:38:46 I want to choose
00:38:48 [Music]
00:38:51 as in he may go or stay as he likes
00:38:55 okay so that wasn’t quite what I was
00:38:56 thinking then
00:38:58 um
00:38:59 anyways but in most of these definitions
00:39:02 go along with um
00:39:04 do what God wants right another form of
00:39:07 our matter
00:39:08 right so just just that word itself
00:39:12 right
00:39:14 the word let’s take a look at James 5 17
00:39:18 which is that one
00:39:20 Elias as a man’s subject like to like
00:39:22 passions as we are he prayed earnestly
00:39:26 that it might not rain and it rained not
00:39:27 on the Earth by the space of three and
00:39:30 years and six months okay anyways I
00:39:33 don’t know how helpful that one was well
00:39:35 actually it’s very it’s very it’s very
00:39:39 helpful from the perspective of knowing
00:39:40 what like means
00:39:43 uh sure sure
00:39:45 was like Elias was a man like unto us
00:39:51 and he prayed for this that kind of
00:39:54 thing so Elias was a man like unto us we
00:39:56 need to become men like unlike him as in
00:40:00 he had his Follies but he overcame them
00:40:03 like we can’t and shouldn’t right yes
00:40:07 um and because of that uh he got the
00:40:10 ceiling power which is simply
00:40:13 uh stating what heaven had already
00:40:16 decreed and having it happen all right
00:40:19 which I talk about here
00:40:23 um if anybody wants to go read it it’s
00:40:25 it’s not that you still families
00:40:27 together in the temple
00:40:29 and what with the help of somebody who
00:40:31 can record real good
00:40:34 it’s not real good dang it right really
00:40:38 it’s supposed to be recorded not on
00:40:41 Earth but
00:40:43 the books of Heaven that matter because
00:40:46 I’ll tell you that
00:40:48 that book on Earth I’ve been taken out
00:40:51 of because I asked to be taken out of
00:40:53 that so but no but here’s the thing that
00:40:57 not according to bigamy young bigamy
00:40:59 young said if you hear me
00:41:03 I said if you were to uh if you were to
00:41:08 have somebody who could rap real good
00:41:10 uh you know then uh then it’s whatever’s
00:41:14 written here on Earth is sealed up in
00:41:16 heaven
00:41:17 well I call the biggest bunch of
00:41:19 brainwashing horse crap ever sorry yeah
00:41:23 yeah well I you know my ceiling power
00:41:25 post shows that it shows it from The
00:41:27 Book of Mormon and it shows it from the
00:41:29 Greek and the New Testament so I know I
00:41:31 I and it shows up from the DNC that’s of
00:41:36 Moroni quoting Malachi to Joseph Smith
00:41:40 differently than the King James that
00:41:43 people and that in the LDS pretty white
00:41:45 church
00:41:46 use
00:41:48 which actually contradicts jst
00:41:52 and DNC because I uh that jst is
00:41:56 actually in the DNC but most people
00:41:57 don’t know that and I didn’t when I
00:41:59 wrote the post but I I did a small
00:42:00 update because someone told me like oh
00:42:02 okay because that was early in my waking
00:42:04 up
00:42:05 but yeah
00:42:06 um Let me let me what was I thinking
00:42:09 here no well never mind
00:42:12 I lost it it’s gone okay all right I
00:42:15 guess it wasn’t too important it’s in
00:42:17 the head it’s in my headache but foreign
00:42:23 anyways ceiling power is not what a lot
00:42:26 of people claim it to be
00:42:28 um
00:42:29 even on that fact how the Catholic
00:42:32 Church uses Upon This Rock is Twisted
00:42:35 also because yeah that’s the wrong
00:42:38 pronoun for a human I don’t I don’t know
00:42:41 but we are on the new pronoun age so
00:42:44 maybe it’s okay so maybe the oh yeah
00:42:46 yeah
00:42:48 that’s a rock
00:42:50 maybe the Catholic church was right with
00:42:52 the use whatever pronoun you want way
00:42:54 back then right yeah there you go I
00:42:57 identify as this Peter’s pronoun is it
00:43:01 and this
00:43:02 is what is it and this instead of you he
00:43:05 and him oh yeah yeah yeah
00:43:11 the Catholic church had that right
00:43:13 before Society did oh my goodness they
00:43:16 must be inspired
00:43:19 oh they are yeah it’s just what source
00:43:22 yeah exactly
00:43:25 they must
00:43:28 they do it for
00:43:31 it sorry I’m a dork with some of these
00:43:34 children
00:43:35 I can twist can’t I yeah
00:43:40 it’s obvious that I’m making jokes when
00:43:43 I’m twisting yep
00:43:48 we can well the thing is
00:43:51 so does anybody have anything they want
00:43:53 to share from this coming last week uh
00:43:56 well I mean I did some studies and
00:44:00 I did some studies
00:44:02 the spirit drew me back to the first
00:44:04 chapter of first Nephi today as I was
00:44:07 studying the scripture the studying
00:44:10 scriptures
00:44:13 what’s that well I’m gonna go get it up
00:44:15 again yeah
00:44:17 I’ll show you a little something that I
00:44:20 saw in there
00:44:21 it says leave as Lehigh is making his
00:44:25 declaration
00:44:27 I wonder the court move on up
00:44:32 let’s see go on up a little more
00:44:37 okay
00:44:41 it’s funny you say up because you scroll
00:44:44 up but you’re actually going down yeah
00:44:46 yeah exactly
00:44:50 modern technology
00:44:53 Up Is Down and Down is up all right you
00:44:56 know you know maybe that’s what they’re
00:44:58 pushing
00:45:02 okay here we go verse 14. you came to
00:45:06 pass when my father had read in some
00:45:08 many great marvelous things and did ex
00:45:10 he didn’t explain many things unto the
00:45:12 Lord such as breaking marvelous or thy
00:45:14 Works O Lord God Almighty thy Throne is
00:45:17 high in the heavens and thy power and
00:45:19 goodness and mercy is over all the
00:45:21 inhabitants of the Earth because Thou
00:45:23 Art merciful okay good right and this
00:45:29 follow what follows is hinging on the
00:45:30 fact that he’s merciful thou Wilt not
00:45:32 suffer those who come unto thee that
00:45:34 they Shall Perish
00:45:36 yeah and so we and come unto thee
00:45:41 that they Shall Perish exactly and so I
00:45:44 got into looking up at come on that
00:45:48 whole come on to the E thing
00:45:51 and
00:45:52 you know it came back right back to
00:45:55 Doctrine and Covenant section 93 and
00:45:58 everything that I looked at pointed me
00:46:00 right back to the doctor and Covenant
00:46:02 section 93 verse 1 which is our
00:46:05 blueprint for coming on to him
00:46:09 we uh which uh should we go go there
00:46:14 yeah
00:46:21 uh that’s really
00:46:23 very interesting the the
00:46:27 how wrong we can be about what something
00:46:30 means
00:46:32 well not necessarily us and not
00:46:36 necessarily people in general right
00:46:38 that’s it that’s that was meant as a
00:46:41 general statement that’s how I took it
00:46:43 yeah
00:46:45 um as verse one it says verily thus
00:46:49 saith the Lord it shall come to pass
00:46:50 that every soul who forsaketh his sins
00:46:53 how can we forsake our sins if we do not
00:46:55 know our sins this is one of this is
00:46:57 probably the country
00:47:00 um primary value of the law
00:47:02 yeah well in fact that’s the noise that
00:47:06 uh Alma 42 states that and second Nephi
00:47:08 2 States that right that every soul yes
00:47:11 this is the first step
00:47:14 towards coming onto him
00:47:16 is to forsake the sense
00:47:18 [Music]
00:47:19 which is actually part of the baptismal
00:47:22 or the Covenant you make before you’re
00:47:25 baptism because you Covenant to go back
00:47:26 to the law which is forsaking the sins
00:47:29 right
00:47:31 exactly it all connects if you know
00:47:34 what’s going on it’s so simple but
00:47:37 anyways yeah and come and forsake it the
00:47:39 sins and cometh on to me and calleth on
00:47:42 my name and obeyeth my voice and keepeth
00:47:44 my Commandments shall see my face and
00:47:46 know that I am
00:47:48 and that’s the whole process whereby we
00:47:50 come
00:47:51 to
00:47:53 where whereby we come unto Christ wait
00:47:56 keepeth my Commandments yep
00:48:00 I
00:48:01 obeyeth my voice yeah
00:48:07 and to me obey my voice and keep my
00:48:10 Commandments as the same thing because
00:48:11 his Commandments well except the you
00:48:13 know you
00:48:15 but he separates them
00:48:19 um well this is where this end can be
00:48:21 tricky
00:48:23 because in Hebrew and can be and or
00:48:26 Obama
00:48:28 foreign
00:48:33 I mean even so I have issues with even
00:48:36 English with the word and because of my
00:48:38 programming because I know how it’s used
00:48:40 in English and I know how it’s used
00:48:41 really logically
00:48:43 yeah they don’t always correlate with
00:48:46 each other because sometimes in even in
00:48:48 English when you say and it actually
00:48:49 does mean or
00:48:51 when you go to programming logic type of
00:48:54 stuff which in Hebrew and an or can
00:48:58 translate back to the same word
00:49:00 maintenance
00:49:01 yeah so but you know
00:49:07 you know for people like and for people
00:49:09 like me who like you know I I see them
00:49:14 as
00:49:15 I see maybe a difference in the
00:49:17 obtaining of the work of where the word
00:49:20 comes from that’s basically where the
00:49:23 only difference that I might see
00:49:25 one is direct Revelation one is the
00:49:28 written word
00:49:31 um I I see somewhat you’re going but if
00:49:33 it’s written it still has voice yeah
00:49:37 uh I I can kind of see how you’re saying
00:49:39 well maybe if you’re hearing it it’s the
00:49:41 voice and if it’s written down as
00:49:43 comments maybe is maybe what you’re
00:49:45 getting at and either way and either way
00:49:46 you could you check the one against the
00:49:48 other so well
00:49:50 here’s the thing Christ even gave us the
00:49:54 blueprint for knowing if it’s his voice
00:49:56 or not
00:49:57 you can test it against the scriptures
00:50:00 and it checks out then it’s his voice
00:50:03 right be a Berean Paul
00:50:08 um praise the bereans because
00:50:11 they believed what Paul said and
00:50:15 checked him against the scriptures which
00:50:17 in that time guess was the Old Testament
00:50:21 yeah they didn’t have the New Testament
00:50:23 when Paul was around yep and the case
00:50:27 with the knowledge that Paul could be
00:50:29 speaking about six or seven different
00:50:30 laws at the same time but
00:50:34 Paul can be confusing if you’re you’re
00:50:37 not
00:50:38 um well based as in since we’re saying
00:50:41 that let’s go uh quote the scripture on
00:50:43 that one
00:50:45 right yeah so from Peter you’re talking
00:50:47 from Peter yeah yeah okay
00:50:51 I I I I I I’m not just making that up
00:50:54 right if you’re not well founded you
00:50:58 will as also in all his Paul’s Epistles
00:51:02 speaking in them of these of these
00:51:04 things in which are some things hard to
00:51:07 be understood which they that are
00:51:09 unlearned and unstable rest as they do
00:51:12 also the other scriptures unto their own
00:51:15 destruction
00:51:17 yeah I Peter was more bold with it than
00:51:20 I just stated unloaded and unstable
00:51:23 that’s unkind to say really
00:51:27 um
00:51:29 he shows this rough background there
00:51:33 he was a fisherman
00:51:35 well he was he was not a scholar
00:51:38 he was a fisherman
00:51:40 sure sure but I I think more he’s just
00:51:43 being direct instead of pussy-footing it
00:51:46 well I mean but that it’s the scholars
00:51:49 approach to pussyfoot
00:51:52 no it’s a wise man’s
00:51:54 which Yeshua doesn’t speak well yeah the
00:51:58 for it because we’re supposed to
00:52:00 become Scholars of the scriptures Paul
00:52:03 was a song I’m talking about world I’m
00:52:06 talking about worldly Scholars
00:52:08 return out of the universities and what
00:52:11 have you yeah but I would call them
00:52:13 personally wise men not Scholars right
00:52:17 because they yeah they’re not real
00:52:20 Scholars they yeah they don’t even
00:52:23 follow their own rules that they make
00:52:25 right it’s true they seek ways to break
00:52:28 the rule the so-called rules
00:52:34 and make up new rules so that somebody
00:52:38 else can break those rules they have
00:52:41 double standards for themselves and
00:52:43 other people
00:52:44 I I don’t really think they’re Scholars
00:52:46 and they don’t really search
00:52:49 the scriptures for for learning they
00:52:52 search them for excuses or or even just
00:52:55 even other stars that don’t search but
00:52:57 there’s certain other fields
00:53:00 for excuses
00:53:02 and they search they searched not to
00:53:05 believe
00:53:06 right but even just in science Fields
00:53:09 right they don’t search for knowledge
00:53:11 and Truth they search
00:53:13 for ways to make excuses and make money
00:53:16 and yeah they’ve searched more for
00:53:19 Technologies
00:53:22 it depends on some things because some
00:53:27 uh
00:53:28 you can sell a technology right right
00:53:32 um there and that would be they’re
00:53:33 searching priest crafts on that one
00:53:36 right they’re liking it to the
00:53:37 scriptures but yeah I’m just getting
00:53:40 more on they’re they do more proof
00:53:43 texting
00:53:44 yeah actually
00:53:46 um scholarly word because my work
00:53:49 actually actual real Scholars will take
00:53:51 everything and try to make them all work
00:53:54 together they don’t do that
00:53:56 right but they find what they want they
00:53:58 keep that they prove
00:54:01 and hide the other stuff away that’s not
00:54:04 scholarly that is cowardly
00:54:08 when real Scholars have tested
00:54:12 um Evolution and the Big Bang they have
00:54:15 found that they could not possibly be
00:54:17 true yeah
00:54:18 I
00:54:20 I agree with you I
00:54:25 there’s so much in science so we don’t
00:54:27 have so we don’t have science in the
00:54:29 world right no we if that you know
00:54:32 there’s a lot of things in in advanced
00:54:35 mainstream science that actually comes
00:54:37 from the Kabbalah
00:54:39 yeah yep
00:54:41 um
00:54:42 I I on science wise I like the
00:54:46 electronic Universe model
00:54:49 and their predictions are much much much
00:54:53 more accurate than the standard number
00:54:55 which gets taught in school and gets
00:54:58 pushed everywhere the standard model has
00:55:01 tons of problems but
00:55:04 it gives a lot of people paychecks and
00:55:06 so that’s why people keep upholding it
00:55:09 priestcraft
00:55:11 yeah scientism yeah
00:55:15 science is more religion than religion
00:55:17 to be honest but they don’t
00:55:20 this last couple years they’re like you
00:55:22 can’t question science what is that
00:55:25 that’s a cult that’s a cult when you
00:55:29 can’t question that’s a cult
00:55:31 mm-hmm
00:55:33 anyways it’s
00:55:37 but if it’s coming from them it’s okay
00:55:39 it’s just when it’s coming from other
00:55:41 people it’s wrong and guess what that is
00:55:43 that’s a cult
00:55:45 yeah
00:55:47 their religion and a bad one at that
00:55:51 um because
00:55:53 even their own part practitioners can’t
00:55:56 repeat their steps and that’s a problem
00:55:59 in these scientific journals that is a
00:56:03 well-known secret that these things
00:56:05 don’t get reproduced that they allow to
00:56:07 be published and these
00:56:11 magazines or these published houses
00:56:13 these are Gatekeepers if they don’t like
00:56:16 what is saying they don’t let it go
00:56:18 through even if it does get reproduced
00:56:20 by other people they’re Gatekeepers of
00:56:23 protecting their Theology and not yours
00:56:29 anyways well the thing is is I do
00:56:32 believe that if science were truly under
00:56:35 were understood truly that uh
00:56:37 there wouldn’t be an argument between
00:56:39 science and religion I agree with you
00:56:43 um in the ancient days the scientists
00:56:45 were the priests
00:56:47 yeah because they got it from God Elohim
00:56:54 it got perverted so just on that point
00:56:59 Egypt could lift rocks
00:57:02 with their
00:57:05 um
00:57:06 archaic technology that we can’t even
00:57:09 fathom how in the hell they did it
00:57:13 somewhere
00:57:15 some magical and that’s called Advanced
00:57:18 knowledge of science yeah they they had
00:57:22 something and it it originally came from
00:57:24 Yahweh I mean I’m sure they perverted it
00:57:27 but anyways they perverted its use
00:57:30 that’s for sure uh yeah
00:57:33 um
00:57:34 but
00:57:36 we can’t do things that
00:57:39 of a group that we would call archaic in
00:57:42 today’s society
00:57:44 something’s wrong with that
00:57:47 yeah
00:57:48 [Music]
00:57:49 yeah either our assessment of them as
00:57:52 well either our assessment of their
00:57:53 capabilities is wrong
00:57:56 or
00:57:58 our assessment of what’s archaic is
00:58:00 wrong
00:58:01 yeah I so you know I when I was a new
00:58:06 age I liked uh
00:58:07 Egypt some but Egypt had a lot of stuff
00:58:12 that they they could see as firm they
00:58:16 knew what a sperm looked like and that
00:58:18 takes a lot of modifications so today’s
00:58:21 quote-unquote experts egyptologists you
00:58:23 know what their solution for that is a
00:58:27 cow’s eye somehow they
00:58:29 they stretch the cow’s eyes so that they
00:58:31 could see the sperm are you kidding me
00:58:34 that’s the joke
00:58:36 I wish it was a joke but that’s really
00:58:38 what they say anyways that’s another
00:58:41 subject just along the lines that these
00:58:43 experts aren’t experts
00:58:44 [Music]
00:58:47 yeah that’s a horrible of how they knew
00:58:50 what a sperm looked like
00:58:51 I mean I don’t know what the resolution
00:58:53 is or you know the magnification that we
00:58:55 need to go see a sperm but I it’s not
00:58:59 something a cow’s eye could do and I
00:59:01 don’t even think
00:59:02 they even can use a cow’s eye and
00:59:04 today’s technology to do magnification
00:59:07 I’ve never heard him anybody be able to
00:59:09 do that I just hear it as an excuse for
00:59:11 the Egypt because they don’t know how to
00:59:13 explain it but anyways
00:59:17 they use there
00:59:18 [Music]
00:59:22 I I guess they just think they can get
00:59:24 away with it because it’s slightly
00:59:25 curved like the magnifying glass right
00:59:26 right anyways well yeah by by appearance
00:59:30 they can get they can get they can get
00:59:31 away with it right right but it
00:59:35 then anyways that’s a whole nother
00:59:38 subject and then and given the fact that
00:59:40 they’ve trained a whole lot of people
00:59:41 not to question not to think
00:59:44 when they say something stupid well that
00:59:47 happens in science and religion though
00:59:49 so
00:59:51 um yep it’s a problem both sides but
00:59:54 anyways
00:59:55 on another though let’s talk about
00:59:57 something a little more uplifting yeah a
01:00:00 little more up
01:00:02 um you have something you want to share
01:00:04 Zach or or if not maybe we could just
01:00:06 read something together and talk about
01:00:08 it okay
01:00:11 um
01:00:13 Okay so
01:00:16 let’s just go pick something
01:00:20 you want to read helium and six together
01:00:23 sounds good
01:00:25 yeah okay because that’s just where I
01:00:27 opened up so let’s go look there
01:00:29 let me get it with the uh
01:00:31 Kindle
01:00:50 so handling five is one I know because
01:00:54 of baptism order because the order of
01:00:57 baptism does matter
01:00:59 and also the that’s also the description
01:01:01 of the baptism of Fire
01:01:04 and as Jesus Christ states that the
01:01:08 baptism of fire in the Holy Ghost for
01:01:09 the lamanites yeah
01:01:12 um but let me just
01:01:15 foreign
01:01:18 if anybody wants here’s one and a key
01:01:21 word from that chapter is uh dissenters
01:01:27 and dissenters means they were baptized
01:01:29 before right yeah because The Descent
01:01:32 means you have to be a member to be a
01:01:34 member you had to be baptized yeah
01:01:37 um
01:01:39 uh I’ll start and it came to pass when
01:01:42 the 60th and second year of the reign of
01:01:46 the judges had ended all these things
01:01:48 had happened and the lamanites had
01:01:50 become the more parts of them the
01:01:53 righteous people and so much that the
01:01:54 righteousness did exceed that of the
01:01:57 Nephites
01:01:58 so the ones that so generally in the
01:02:01 Book of Mormon the Nephites are the
01:02:02 Righteous and the lamanites are the
01:02:04 wicked but here’s the case where that’s
01:02:06 kind of reversed of that
01:02:08 right so that generalization is not
01:02:12 always true hence generalization right
01:02:16 especially
01:02:18 um
01:02:19 just before the second coming which is
01:02:21 coming soon right
01:02:24 and in the Book of Mormon it’s the
01:02:26 Nephites the quote-unquote supposed
01:02:27 righteous people that are the wicked and
01:02:31 the more wicked
01:02:32 once right
01:02:35 um so anyways
01:02:38 did exceed that of the Nephites because
01:02:41 of their firmers and their steadfastness
01:02:43 and their faith steadfastness hey let’s
01:02:47 go
01:02:48 let’s go look at that definition I bet
01:02:50 it’s going to say something about works
01:02:52 and doing
01:02:54 something right or becoming something
01:02:57 maybe yeah uh becoming would be part of
01:03:00 it I think I think those steadfastness
01:03:02 is going to be more about
01:03:04 doing than becoming right there
01:03:09 stead and fast well that’s not too
01:03:12 helpful
01:03:14 well there was one down there
01:03:16 steadfastness oh okay
01:03:19 he put the F in there there we go down
01:03:24 here
01:03:26 that didn’t help too much either okay oh
01:03:30 it’s because
01:03:31 you miss according to them you
01:03:34 misspelled it no I didn’t I clicked on
01:03:36 it
01:03:40 look at the second one they’re giving
01:03:42 you the spelling that that will give you
01:03:44 what you want uh okay
01:03:47 but I clicked on one that this okay
01:03:49 there it is
01:03:51 firmness of standing fixing this in
01:03:53 place
01:03:56 well
01:03:57 um
01:03:58 so I I think it’s obvious what
01:04:01 permission standing you know stand firm
01:04:05 is a phrase for doing what is right
01:04:08 which is keeping the law right right
01:04:12 um firmness of mind or purpose fixedness
01:04:15 in principle
01:04:17 meaning you’re dispensable
01:04:20 you’re
01:04:23 constancy yeah well fixedness so this
01:04:26 you know yahweh’s name has a nail in it
01:04:29 and the nail of Surety right uh being
01:04:33 fixed
01:04:38 constancy resolution right and New
01:04:41 Year’s resolutions which I mean I
01:04:43 recommend not which everybody writes
01:04:47 yeah which but I was going off but I
01:04:49 would recommend not doing it because
01:04:50 that’s going off of the Pagan God Janus
01:04:53 actually yeah yeah
01:04:55 um but anyways but any resolution as in
01:04:58 as the steadfastness of Faith okay right
01:05:01 but here everybody resolute right right
01:05:05 but when they do it there but all these
01:05:07 goals about how they want to
01:05:09 uh like have a better body or more money
01:05:13 it’s never about how they want to be or
01:05:15 hardly ever about how they want to be
01:05:17 more like Yeshua right yeah it’s all
01:05:20 material stuff
01:05:22 um but here it’s this and implying to
01:05:25 Yahweh and Yeshua it’s more being
01:05:29 enduring to the end right
01:05:33 meaning do it even when it’s hard
01:05:35 yeah he adhered to his opinions and such
01:05:38 fastness
01:05:40 um
01:05:43 okay well I think that’s pretty clear
01:05:44 right yeah I mean I can say it might not
01:05:47 be for some people
01:05:49 but constancy resolution
01:05:57 firmness of standing yep yeah I I mean
01:06:00 so
01:06:03 we can do standing because it’s like I
01:06:07 know this one because of tithing like a
01:06:09 standing law
01:06:10 standing it means that changing
01:06:15 in fact here
01:06:18 [Music]
01:06:21 I have it here let’s just make sure
01:06:27 maybe it’s quicker
01:06:33 oh no I did wrong thing
01:06:37 and what was the mountain
01:06:40 um
01:06:42 there we go
01:06:46 moving in a certain direction or to from
01:06:50 an object
01:06:51 objected settled established
01:06:54 by law or custom
01:06:58 but you know in this case law continual
01:07:03 permanent not temporary
01:07:06 as a standing army right I mean
01:07:10 permanent you know in other words this
01:07:13 whole thing’s this whole thing of
01:07:15 standing
01:07:17 [Music]
01:07:18 um
01:07:20 being fixed settled established
01:07:24 non-changing
01:07:26 that means
01:07:29 that means that it’s real
01:07:31 right well just going with the imagery
01:07:33 standing you’re in one place versus
01:07:35 moving or walking you’re going around
01:07:38 and changing right yeah that’s not and
01:07:43 uh
01:07:44 changing your position of things is not
01:07:47 always a good thing
01:07:49 uh with respect to the Commandments
01:07:53 correct right
01:07:54 um
01:07:56 changing your position on other things
01:07:58 that aren’t so important
01:08:00 often necessary well
01:08:03 well just like here that
01:08:07 the the lamanites changing their
01:08:08 standing from Evil to righteous that’s a
01:08:12 good thing right that’s going back to
01:08:14 the to the law but that’s a that’s a
01:08:16 little different right yeah but here
01:08:19 we’re talking about once they had their
01:08:21 standing in the once they once they were
01:08:24 standing on the law
01:08:27 they didn’t come up with reasons why
01:08:30 they didn’t have to obey it right right
01:08:32 so on that like courts of law are ought
01:08:35 to be governed by standing rules meaning
01:08:39 not changing because if
01:08:42 even in today’s courts if the laws were
01:08:46 always changing well they kind of are in
01:08:49 the world but anyways
01:08:51 but if they’re always changing like
01:08:54 every second or whatnot it would
01:08:58 as a defendant you would not be happy
01:09:01 with the outcome because it’s always
01:09:02 changing you don’t know what is right or
01:09:04 wrong or what you can or cannot do
01:09:06 according to the law it’s impossible
01:09:09 right
01:09:10 yep uh the gospel furnishes us with
01:09:14 stent look the gospel the good news
01:09:17 burnishes us with standing rules of
01:09:20 morality it doesn’t change
01:09:24 uh that I definitely agree with but
01:09:28 this kind of goes along with how
01:09:30 Christians think there’s a moral law and
01:09:32 a ceremonial law
01:09:34 and
01:09:36 I mostly disagree with that because they
01:09:38 think that means get rid of everything I
01:09:41 partly agree because of the law Moses is
01:09:43 actually done away with but not Torah
01:09:45 right and there’s a big difference
01:09:47 between that
01:09:48 but a lot of people will include like
01:09:51 the high holidays which
01:09:53 the law actually states are eternal
01:09:57 yeah
01:09:58 um where the part that did go away with
01:10:00 which is ceremonial is the law of Moses
01:10:03 which is the daily performance and
01:10:04 ordinances which is the daily killing of
01:10:07 two Lambs right
01:10:10 That’s the Law of motives but anyways uh
01:10:14 the Jews
01:10:16 go ahead
01:10:18 okay
01:10:19 and Jews by their dispersion and present
01:10:21 condition or standing evidence of the
01:10:24 truth of the Revelation and of the
01:10:26 prediction of Moses yeah
01:10:31 uh I’m not sure what that’s getting
01:10:33 towards to be honest well that’s
01:10:35 actually just providing another evidence
01:10:37 that’s just providing another use of the
01:10:40 word standing that’s all it’s not
01:10:42 changing because they’re they’re doing
01:10:43 what
01:10:44 Moses well they the the they are damning
01:10:49 evidence the standing their standing
01:10:52 evidence of the truth of the revelation
01:10:54 of the prediction of Moses standing
01:10:56 evidence that means that it doesn’t
01:10:58 change yes the the their evidential
01:11:01 status
01:11:03 yeah okay I see that I would agree with
01:11:05 that there are evidence that the predict
01:11:08 that the truthfulness of the predictions
01:11:10 of Moses do not change sure sure I I
01:11:13 just I more I know the Jews say one
01:11:16 thing and do another so I was looking at
01:11:18 it with that in mind not that instead of
01:11:22 instead of just looking at what was
01:11:24 actually written yeah because I mean
01:11:28 Christians are good at proof texting
01:11:30 Jews are king at it they’ve been doing
01:11:32 it a lot longer oh yeah well anyways uh
01:11:37 many fashionable vices and Follies out
01:11:40 to be standing objects to rid a girl
01:11:42 okay
01:11:43 well lasting not transferring meaning it
01:11:48 depends everything transitory doesn’t
01:11:51 change right yep not liable to fade or
01:11:55 vanish so it stays around as a standing
01:11:59 color
01:12:01 uh stagnant not flowing as in standing
01:12:06 water all right
01:12:08 um I know what I’m saying I in general I
01:12:10 don’t like that expression but I know
01:12:11 what they’re saying they’re just saying
01:12:12 no that is the definition that is the
01:12:15 definition of sand yeah yeah
01:12:18 uh fixed not movable
01:12:23 standings bed what that’s weird
01:12:26 okay I was in a bed that doesn’t I was
01:12:30 in a bed that doesn’t easily get moved I
01:12:33 guess
01:12:34 I I distinguished from a trump from a
01:12:37 chuckle bed or a trundle bed something I
01:12:39 don’t know what a chuckle bed is
01:12:41 well I guess you would if you lived in
01:12:43 1828 yeah that’s true so
01:12:50 I I I I I just want to see you think of
01:12:54 big Ty think Kai
01:12:56 is it that would make sense yeah thank
01:12:59 God that’s those those are not
01:13:02 outstanding beds
01:13:03 um the bed that I used to have yeah see
01:13:06 this is a standing bed okay so I guess
01:13:09 that like these ones that are moving out
01:13:11 from underneath yes they have movable
01:13:15 components it’s the second bed that’s
01:13:18 underneath that’s yeah because like
01:13:21 these they all have a bed that comes
01:13:22 underneath it comes out
01:13:24 yeah moving bed so okay
01:13:27 yeah
01:13:29 um I just I never heard of that before
01:13:31 but anyways chuckle bed
01:13:35 yeah I’ll probably forget tomorrow
01:13:37 [Music]
01:13:38 and then the next time you look at it
01:13:41 the next time you come by this will
01:13:43 you’ll have to look at it again
01:13:46 yeah okay all right anyways I I think we
01:13:49 proved our Point enough yeah no I
01:13:53 actually was wanting to get into verse
01:13:55 too because here we have
01:13:58 the juxtaposition of the Nephites
01:14:01 against lamanites okay go ahead for
01:14:05 behold there were many of the Nephites
01:14:07 who had become hardened and impenitent
01:14:09 and grossly Wicked in so much that they
01:14:11 did reject the word of God and all the
01:14:13 preaching and prophesying which to come
01:14:15 among them
01:14:16 so as
01:14:19 you have here with the lamanites
01:14:21 firmness and the steadfastness and the
01:14:23 faith
01:14:24 you have the Nephites with their
01:14:27 hardened and becoming hardened and
01:14:29 impenitent right so it’s two aspects of
01:14:32 the same kind of
01:14:35 yeah and I I see this as how the nevites
01:14:38 had more and then they rejected more and
01:14:40 so they became more hard-hearted
01:14:42 actually in fact yeah and they become I
01:14:45 don’t remember what’s in this chapter
01:14:46 but other times it does talk about how
01:14:48 the Nephites when they were Wicked they
01:14:49 were actually more wicked than the
01:14:50 lamanites yeah in fact I think that’s um
01:14:54 they here they talk more about how the
01:14:57 righteousness of the lamanice did exceed
01:14:59 that of the Nephites as opposed to the
01:15:01 wickedness of the Moon by succeeding
01:15:03 them so there’s a more positive spin put
01:15:06 on the same idea here
01:15:09 well there were many of the Nephites
01:15:12 which had become hardened and impotent
01:15:15 and grossly Wicked
01:15:17 it’s almost they deter eject the word of
01:15:19 God all presence
01:15:21 anyways they rejected it all
01:15:24 um
01:15:25 so I
01:15:27 I mean I see this with why I think it’s
01:15:30 happening now yeah I I see it I mean I
01:15:34 feel it
01:15:36 I don’t just see it I feel it
01:15:39 um
01:15:40 there’s
01:15:49 a lot of Darkness
01:15:52 yeah which gets pushed as light
01:15:55 um
01:15:57 it’s like it’s like they’re pushing
01:15:59 black light as real light
01:16:01 and it’s um
01:16:03 well they like the show of the black
01:16:05 light shows
01:16:07 yeah
01:16:08 sorry
01:16:11 it they look cool right anyways yeah
01:16:15 and that’s pretty much what these people
01:16:17 are trying to do is just be cool right
01:16:20 yeah
01:16:22 um anyways all right nonetheless the
01:16:25 people of the church did have great joy
01:16:28 the people of the church or people of
01:16:31 the assembly or the people of the Church
01:16:32 of the firstborn the wheat the Lambs
01:16:36 those who heard and kept the word of God
01:16:42 because of the conversions of the
01:16:45 lamanites
01:16:46 so they were happy
01:16:48 that people were starting to learn and
01:16:51 accept the truth right
01:16:53 even if they had historically been
01:16:55 enemies correct they didn’t let that
01:16:58 hold them back in fact Joseph Smith was
01:17:01 good at that right maybe maybe too good
01:17:03 so maybe it turned a little bison
01:17:06 or not bringing back uh Joseph Smith
01:17:08 right I yeah but hindsight’s 20 20.
01:17:11 right yeah oh yeah
01:17:15 um yeah because of the Church of Elon
01:17:19 which had been established among them
01:17:21 and they did follow one another
01:17:25 Fellowship sorry and they did Fellowship
01:17:27 one with another and they did Rejoice
01:17:29 one with another and did have great joy
01:17:32 now that might have been problematic in
01:17:34 long distances involved there maybe oh
01:17:38 yeah
01:17:39 um
01:17:41 you know that’s true because most of the
01:17:44 time I mean maybe they migrated right
01:17:48 um I I know there’s a couple examples in
01:17:51 the Book of Mormon were the lamanites
01:17:53 migrated
01:17:54 it doesn’t specifically say that here
01:17:56 but maybe there’s some migration
01:17:58 happening yeah
01:18:00 um
01:18:01 because
01:18:03 at least consistent Fellowship back then
01:18:06 would have been hard with long distances
01:18:08 where today here we are doing Fellowship
01:18:10 around the world on the internet but
01:18:13 they didn’t have the account there’s not
01:18:15 a single one of us that’s closer than uh
01:18:19 probably
01:18:20 I don’t know 16 hours from anyone from
01:18:23 any other and from any other one of us
01:18:25 uh well but that’s what even just modern
01:18:29 technology of like a planer something
01:18:31 right yeah
01:18:33 that
01:18:35 anyways
01:18:36 um
01:18:38 I mean I’m glad for the internet for
01:18:40 this Fellowship here right but I think I
01:18:44 with you bringing that up that would
01:18:46 make me wonder if there was some
01:18:47 migration going on that’s not well I
01:18:49 think first four answers a little bit of
01:18:51 that okay go ahead and discuss that many
01:18:53 of the lamanites to come down into the
01:18:55 land of Zara hemland and declare onto
01:18:57 the people of the Nephites the manner of
01:18:59 their conversion and exhort them to
01:19:00 Faith and repentance well that
01:19:03 come down into the line of zerohema that
01:19:06 sounds like migration like I was just
01:19:07 talking about right yep yeah it does
01:19:10 uh and it’s interesting though we got
01:19:13 that just out of the word Fellowship in
01:19:14 the context and there here
01:19:17 guess what the next verse just confirmed
01:19:19 to that
01:19:21 just FYI I didn’t plan this yeah I just
01:19:24 went like this and opened and that’s
01:19:26 where we went to yeah that’s pretty cool
01:19:28 anyways
01:19:30 um and many did preach with exceeding
01:19:33 great power and authority and unto
01:19:36 bringing down many of them into the
01:19:38 depth of depths of humility to be the
01:19:43 humble followers followers of Elohim and
01:19:47 the lamb now
01:19:49 uh
01:19:50 followers is a big word so let’s
01:19:52 actually I want to look at that a little
01:19:55 bit
01:19:56 um I
01:20:00 we’re gonna go
01:20:04 uh
01:20:08 there we go we’re gonna look at this a
01:20:10 little bit uh I’m gonna share a post
01:20:14 um
01:20:15 so I I bring it out here
01:20:27 okay so we can go look at this
01:20:30 oh I probably have the dictionary or
01:20:33 maybe I just did the Cliff but
01:20:37 here uh Moroni seven eleven through
01:20:41 twelve or Behold a bitter Fountain
01:20:44 cannot bring forth good water neither
01:20:46 can a good Fountain bring forth bitter
01:20:49 water
01:20:51 so
01:20:52 now this is interesting so a lot of
01:20:54 these groups I’m just going to say this
01:20:55 real quick they talk about how there’s
01:20:58 steps right
01:21:02 there’s no steps
01:21:04 in that statement in Moroni 7. you
01:21:08 either one or the other
01:21:11 there is no this step in between
01:21:14 you’re either good or bad period
01:21:17 right and do you guys see that in there
01:21:28 yeah therefore a man being a servant of
01:21:30 the devil cannot follow or imitate
01:21:32 Christ
01:21:34 and if you follow imitate Christ you
01:21:36 cannot be a servant of the devil
01:21:40 wherefore all things which are good
01:21:42 cometh of Elohim and that which is evil
01:21:45 cometh of the devil for the Devil is the
01:21:47 enemy unto Elohim and fighteth against
01:21:50 him continually and invite us in tithe
01:21:52 and then typhus meaning but we’re going
01:21:55 to look at that word too because to sin
01:21:57 and do that which is evil continually
01:22:00 but let’s go look at follow so you can
01:22:02 see here if you go click on imitate I’m
01:22:04 actually linking to the definition of
01:22:06 follow
01:22:07 let’s go see where I get that
01:22:14 definition nine to imitate to copy to
01:22:18 follow a pattern or a model to follow
01:22:21 fashion or on lectures on phase six
01:22:24 template
01:22:27 yes he’s the same thing
01:22:30 that’s how you follow yahshua
01:22:34 you walk in here you make him attempt
01:22:36 you make him a template you don’t ask
01:22:38 what would Jesus do you asked what did
01:22:40 Jesus do yeah and understand why yes
01:22:44 [Laughter]
01:22:47 but also just to you know drill this
01:22:49 point in a little more
01:22:52 oh
01:22:56 we don’t have to ask what would Jesus do
01:22:59 because we know what he did
01:23:01 you know what he did yeah but John 1 2
01:23:04 and hereby we know that we know him if
01:23:09 we keep his Commandments and he that
01:23:13 saith I know him and keepeth not his
01:23:16 Commandments is a liar
01:23:18 and the truth is not in him
01:23:21 and the truth as I defy or bring out
01:23:25 so I think I bring out truth or did I
01:23:27 bring out I can’t uh maybe I didn’t
01:23:29 bring out truth but I brought out light
01:23:30 into all things I I don’t think I
01:23:32 brought out the truth one actually come
01:23:34 to this no you run out light
01:23:36 but who keepeth his word in him Fairless
01:23:40 is the love of God
01:23:42 AKA if you love me keep my Commandments
01:23:44 right it is the love of God perfected
01:23:47 but it’s the love of God charity
01:23:49 wherefore yeah it is
01:23:53 in him charity is Charity perfected
01:23:58 yeah uh hereby knows that we are in him
01:24:01 and he that saith he abideth in him
01:24:04 ought himself to also
01:24:08 to walk as he want now
01:24:12 this letter was written after yeshua’s
01:24:16 death and Resurrection I don’t think
01:24:18 there’s any argument against that no
01:24:23 so what did how did Yeshua walk and I
01:24:26 think there’s no argument really there
01:24:28 well actually there are some people that
01:24:30 argue again and so I’ll leave it at that
01:24:32 but most people will admit that Yeshua
01:24:36 walked according to Torah
01:24:40 so here’s a verse after
01:24:43 the death and resurrection of Yeshua in
01:24:46 the New Testament it states to do as he
01:24:48 did and he did as according to Torah but
01:24:52 anyways
01:24:54 um
01:24:56 actually let’s go back and look at
01:25:01 if I click the right button
01:25:05 foreign
01:25:16 I think that was the one I wanted to
01:25:18 look at yeah
01:25:21 unless you guys want to look at more
01:25:23 definitions of follow but I think that’s
01:25:26 I think that’s sufficient that’s an
01:25:28 important definition to imitate to copy
01:25:31 pattern template right yeah in the Bible
01:25:36 it’s almost exclusively used
01:25:43 okay entice to Insight then just get
01:25:48 like exciting hope instigate by exciting
01:25:51 hope or desire
01:25:54 usually in a bad sense to entice one to
01:25:57 evil and to seduce to lead astray yes to
01:26:03 induce to sin
01:26:06 by promises or Persuasions
01:26:10 yeah
01:26:12 well the thing is is that just because
01:26:15 traditionally it’s been
01:26:17 it can be used in the scripture you can
01:26:19 entice someone to good things sure sure
01:26:23 it’s just that people this is a word
01:26:26 that the devil really strongly wants
01:26:29 connected
01:26:31 to his way sure sure I I mean some of
01:26:34 this
01:26:36 initially why some people may keep the
01:26:38 Commandments is because of the enticing
01:26:42 of the promises right yeah I mean I’m on
01:26:45 32 I think can be used to support that
01:26:47 right
01:26:49 um
01:26:50 but it I think though in general it’s
01:26:54 used in a negative sense in general yeah
01:26:58 um in fact but but there are there there
01:27:03 is actually
01:27:05 um a danger
01:27:08 some people get so into the words they
01:27:11 will when they’re looking at the words
01:27:14 that are used in The Book of Mormon this
01:27:16 idea when the Book of Mormon uses the
01:27:18 word entice to do for something like it
01:27:21 to do good
01:27:23 they’ll take their
01:27:26 traditional
01:27:28 um
01:27:30 is there one and suddenly and and
01:27:33 suddenly The Book of Mormon is a satanic
01:27:35 document because it says that the Holy
01:27:37 Spirit entices oh right right but I
01:27:41 I’m just saying in general it’s used as
01:27:43 negative I I didn’t say all the time but
01:27:45 yeah
01:27:47 let’s actually go I checked on that
01:27:49 let’s take a look at third and let’s
01:27:51 take a look at mosiah do you have one in
01:27:53 mind because I I I’d have to go search
01:27:56 for one which I was just about to do
01:27:58 unless you know when I’ll pop your head
01:28:00 to go look at
01:28:02 I’m looking at something make sure that
01:28:04 I’ve got the right of it
01:28:10 okay
01:28:12 yes here we go mosiah chapter 3 verse
01:28:15 19. okay
01:28:21 just so people can see it right
01:28:23 yep yep
01:28:25 I just think that and I’m doing my less
01:28:27 desired one just because it’s quicker
01:28:30 yep
01:28:32 okay
01:28:34 all righty for the natural man as an
01:28:37 enemy to God and has been from the fall
01:28:38 of Adam it will be forever and ever
01:28:40 unless he yields to the entices of the
01:28:44 Holy Spirit and puteth off the natural
01:28:46 man and become the saint through the
01:28:48 atonement of Christ Lord they cometh as
01:28:50 a child submissive me humble patient
01:28:52 full of love willing to submit to all
01:28:55 things which the Lord said fit to
01:28:57 inflict upon him even as a child that
01:28:58 submit to his father
01:29:00 so that so somebody under that
01:29:03 traditional definition of enticing you
01:29:05 know enticing is to sin that kind of
01:29:08 Association
01:29:10 would um
01:29:13 sure they could say that I read this and
01:29:15 instead of the wonderful message of hope
01:29:18 that it is I see now in it a satanic
01:29:23 when they see in the satanic Covenant
01:29:25 because of the word enticing
01:29:27 sure sure uh and I associate context
01:29:31 would show that’s not the case but yeah
01:29:33 yeah
01:29:35 there’s a danger when there’s danger
01:29:38 from getting too much into the books
01:29:40 right I mean even the dictionary though
01:29:42 let’s go back to the dictionary
01:29:44 uh
01:29:50 usually in a bad sense usually is the
01:29:54 key word there yeah yeah
01:29:55 usually in a bad sense and so that
01:29:59 doesn’t mean all the time and so once
01:30:01 again the unlearned and the unstable
01:30:03 will take that and twist it
01:30:07 um if it’s usually then they will twist
01:30:11 it to say always sure and I guess you’ve
01:30:13 run into that since you’re bringing it
01:30:15 up I’ve never run it yes I have yes I
01:30:17 have I have somebody who didn’t want to
01:30:19 believe in the Book of Mormon uh kept
01:30:22 going off on word uses and comparing it
01:30:25 to when those words were used in the
01:30:27 Bible and deciding that everything was
01:30:29 wrong
01:30:30 well actually here let’s
01:30:33 let’s just go look in the Bible though
01:30:34 but I I mean just
01:30:37 dictionary tells that guy he’s wrong but
01:30:39 I mean we don’t want to use dictionaries
01:30:41 right yeah well it’s uh actually Cindy
01:30:44 Lou Bailey woman I don’t know her
01:30:48 without my head but no you you may not
01:30:51 um but she’s another she’s a person who
01:30:54 harps on her understanding of the law
01:30:58 [Music]
01:30:59 and that you do have on a certain level
01:31:04 on the level of law you both have a
01:31:06 similar
01:31:11 her understanding of the law is not as
01:31:13 great as she thinks it is it’s very
01:31:15 Seventh-Day Adventists
01:31:19 they generally just say the moral law is
01:31:22 still there but they say the ceremonial
01:31:26 law is gone
01:31:27 um yeah it’s that it was all fulfilled
01:31:30 in some kind of Mystic
01:31:33 [Music]
01:31:43 contradicts the word in Sermon on the
01:31:46 Mount abolish but anyways yeah um
01:31:50 but let’s just
01:31:54 um oh actually
01:31:56 let me copy these
01:31:58 and let’s see if I’m in your one note
01:32:01 yeah yeah because one note displays it
01:32:03 better
01:32:09 um I’m sure I don’t have entice it’s not
01:32:11 one I’ve felt needed to go look into
01:32:13 yeah I don’t
01:32:31 know well if a man enticing me that no
01:32:33 okay that one’s negative
01:32:38 my friend then also entice these
01:32:41 secretly that’s negative right and let’s
01:32:43 go and serve other gods yeah that one’s
01:32:45 negative and it came to pass seventh day
01:32:46 they said on his Samson’s wife and
01:32:48 taister has been
01:32:50 made desires
01:32:55 yes I think that one’s mostly negative
01:32:57 right yeah that’s Negative they were
01:33:01 they were they were playing deceptively
01:33:03 with sounds yeah
01:33:05 well I could see how it could be
01:33:07 somewhat neutral but anyways I would say
01:33:09 mostly negative
01:33:10 uh okay and the Lords of the Philistines
01:33:13 came unto her and said unto her entice
01:33:16 him and so that’s going off of the same
01:33:17 thing right
01:33:20 um so that wouldn’t be negative and he
01:33:22 who shall entice abrah king of Israel
01:33:25 that he may go up and fall at Rome of
01:33:29 gilas and one who speaketh after this
01:33:31 matter saying after that matter
01:33:34 um
01:33:37 I don’t know enough context of that one
01:33:39 to say this is uh that’s good or bad uh
01:33:42 that is
01:33:43 uh
01:33:46 well basically they were enticing Ahab
01:33:48 king of Israel to go out to his death
01:33:51 okay so that’s negative
01:33:53 yep
01:33:54 okay I just I don’t know that’s so that
01:33:56 one’s related to that one so that one’s
01:33:58 negative
01:33:59 and he said I will go out
01:34:01 um be aligned spirit so that one’s
01:34:04 negative
01:34:05 uh
01:34:06 but that’s still part of that other
01:34:08 story uh job and my heart have been
01:34:12 secretly enticed or my mouth has kissed
01:34:15 my hand
01:34:17 uh we’d have to go read context yeah
01:34:21 so actually but kissing has to do with
01:34:25 trust and hand has to do with work so
01:34:27 that one might actually be
01:34:30 good secretly though that one’s
01:34:33 um
01:34:34 negative connotation on it
01:34:37 generally so that I can see mixed there
01:34:39 so now when I’m actually kind of curious
01:34:41 about
01:34:43 yeah let’s take a look uh actually let’s
01:34:46 code jst just in case right
01:34:51 [Music]
01:34:51 um
01:35:00 let’s share
01:35:04 uh
01:35:11 job
01:35:14 where’s Jones
01:35:22 wow there’s no jst
01:35:26 [Music]
01:35:26 um
01:35:29 uh
01:35:32 well let’s look and let’s look in
01:35:34 context here yeah yeah I’m just thinking
01:35:36 how far up do we want to go well here’s
01:35:39 something maybe 10 I don’t know yeah
01:35:41 then let my wife grind onto each other
01:35:44 and let others bow down upon her this is
01:35:48 an heinous crime yeah it is an iniquity
01:35:50 to be punished by the judges
01:35:52 or it is a fire the consumers the
01:35:55 destruction and would root out all of
01:35:57 mine increase if I but if I did despise
01:36:00 the cause of my man’s servant or of my
01:36:02 maidservant when they communion with me
01:36:04 then What then shall I do when God Rises
01:36:08 up but when he visited what shall I
01:36:11 answer him
01:36:12 did he not did not he that made me in
01:36:14 the womb make him that is not one
01:36:17 fashionist in the womb if I if I have
01:36:20 withheld if I have withheld the poor
01:36:23 from their desire or have caused the
01:36:25 eyes of the Widow to fail or or have
01:36:27 eaten by morsel alone myself and the
01:36:29 fatherless hath not eaten thereof or
01:36:31 from my youth he was brought up with me
01:36:34 as with the father and I and I have
01:36:36 guided her from my mother’s womb
01:36:38 if I have seen any parish for a lot of
01:36:41 clothing or any poor without covering it
01:36:43 as loins have not blessed me and if he
01:36:46 were not harmed with the fierce of my
01:36:48 with the fleece of my sheep if I have
01:36:51 lifted up my hand against the fatherless
01:36:53 when I saw my help in the gate then let
01:36:56 my arm fall from my shoulder blade and
01:36:58 mine arm be broken from the bone
01:37:01 for Destruction from God was a terror to
01:37:04 me and by reason of His Highness I could
01:37:07 not endure if I have made gold My Hope
01:37:10 or have said that to the fine gold Thou
01:37:13 Art my confidence if I have rejoiced
01:37:15 because my wealth was great and because
01:37:18 my hand had gotten much if I beheld the
01:37:21 sun when it shined or the moon walking
01:37:23 in brightness and my heart had been
01:37:25 secretly enticed or my mouth had kissed
01:37:27 my hand this also were an iniquity to be
01:37:30 punished by the judge for I should have
01:37:32 denied the the god that is above okay so
01:37:35 that one’s negative yes so it’s
01:37:38 basically talking about it if I had seen
01:37:40 all the works of God and had
01:37:44 you know so he he’s basically you know
01:37:47 saying uh
01:37:48 uh things that I shouldn’t have done
01:37:50 including trusted in my Works my mouth
01:37:55 kissed my hand my hand Works yep right
01:38:00 because all this is
01:38:05 so yeah okay
01:38:08 so this verse goes with that context of
01:38:11 Kiss trust and hand work yep anyways
01:38:16 which is why when Judas
01:38:20 um betrayed Yeshua and gave him a kiss
01:38:22 he’s like you betrayed me with a kiss
01:38:25 because kiss is showing Trust
01:38:28 you’re showing me a sign of trust while
01:38:31 you’re betraying me
01:38:33 that’s what Yeshua was saying yeah
01:38:38 [Music]
01:38:40 idioms help make the scriptures make
01:38:42 more sense
01:38:45 especially when you have a knowledge of
01:38:47 them yeah anyways in fact when you kiss
01:38:50 your wife
01:38:52 you’re actually saying you trust her
01:38:54 right but yeah people don’t understand
01:38:56 that I mean I didn’t for a long most of
01:38:59 my life it’s just when I started
01:39:01 studying but anyways my son if Sinners
01:39:03 enticed he consent thou not oh that’s
01:39:06 negative
01:39:07 a violent man enticeth his neighbor and
01:39:09 leadeth him into the way that he’s not
01:39:11 good and that’s negative
01:39:14 where I heard the defaming of many fear
01:39:17 on every side Reports say they and we’ll
01:39:19 report it all my familiars watched for
01:39:21 my hulking saying for adventure he will
01:39:23 be enticed and we shall Prevail against
01:39:26 him and we shall take our revenge upon
01:39:28 him uh that’s negative
01:39:31 yeah and my speech and my preaching was
01:39:34 not with enticing words of man’s Wisdom
01:39:37 but in demonstration of the spirit and
01:39:40 of power
01:39:41 so that’s using enticing negatively yeah
01:39:44 and this I say lest any man should
01:39:48 beguile you with enticing words
01:39:51 that’s using it negatively
01:39:54 but every man is tempted when he is
01:39:57 drawn away of his own lust and enticed
01:39:59 okay so every time in the Bible is
01:40:01 negative right but
01:40:04 as you look at the definition of the
01:40:06 word it doesn’t have to be right
01:40:10 um fact though I this is I I don’t want
01:40:14 to do this but if someone really wanted
01:40:17 to go down to the next level you’d go
01:40:19 look at the Hebrew word underneath these
01:40:21 and
01:40:23 um in some of them the Greek word behind
01:40:25 it and then see where that’s used in
01:40:28 other places right
01:40:29 yeah well the thing is translators of
01:40:32 the buttons didn’t use words
01:40:35 consistently even if it came from the
01:40:37 same word underneath right the Greek is
01:40:40 not actually the original manuscript in
01:40:43 most cases I agree with you that’s what
01:40:46 we have most of yeah there’s more coming
01:40:49 out of the Hebrew yeah
01:40:52 the Hebrew Matthew is far more reliable
01:40:56 um yes it is than the one yeah
01:40:59 and like one that I know of the the
01:41:03 woman caught in adultery those who only
01:41:05 go by the Greek they don’t know what to
01:41:07 do with it in fact it’s called the
01:41:08 wandering Parable or wandering something
01:41:12 actually
01:41:13 but
01:41:14 that’s only if you look at the Greek if
01:41:16 you look at the Hebrew
01:41:18 there’s a source for it and when you get
01:41:21 into these issues
01:41:23 some of these
01:41:25 um scribes will admit
01:41:28 that they would copy these things from
01:41:31 the older he older Hebrew manuscripts
01:41:37 um but most of the scholars today will
01:41:41 claim that everything was in Greek no
01:41:44 it got translated into Greek because
01:41:46 that was the
01:41:48 World Language of the day like generally
01:41:52 speaking English is the World Language
01:41:54 today
01:41:55 right
01:41:57 but originally most of these were
01:42:00 in Hebrew or maybe they did in Hebrew
01:42:03 and Greek at the same time I I’ve that’s
01:42:06 a possibility I’ve seen that in some
01:42:07 cases where there’s possibly some good
01:42:10 cases for that but I’m not so worried
01:42:12 about that most of the time most of the
01:42:14 time the Greek writings actually
01:42:16 when they translated it to Greek things
01:42:19 changed
01:42:21 because the difference between the
01:42:24 Hebrew and the Hellenic mindset right
01:42:26 and I think this also explains because
01:42:29 some people will argue like the letters
01:42:31 of Peter didn’t come from Peter because
01:42:33 he didn’t know Greek
01:42:35 well you know what I think there’s a
01:42:37 chance they were originally in Hebrew
01:42:38 and then someone translated them to
01:42:40 Greek later to give it to more people
01:42:41 because Greek was the World Language
01:42:44 right
01:42:47 um but anyways
01:42:48 um it’s just these quote unquote
01:42:51 Scholars will come up with these
01:42:52 arguments to to make the word of God
01:42:55 sound like it’s not what it claims to be
01:42:57 and it’s because they don’t want to go
01:42:59 down these routes that actually give the
01:43:01 answers and the online is smart without
01:43:03 the unlearned and the unstable accept
01:43:06 their explanations
01:43:08 yep to their destruction sadly
01:43:12 um and and a lot of people when you try
01:43:14 to explain these things online the
01:43:16 people are like well I have these
01:43:18 callers that that these Jesuit colleges
01:43:21 I’m like
01:43:23 um well your first sentence should be
01:43:24 Jesuit
01:43:26 s
01:43:28 yeah
01:43:30 yeah there’s no reason to they have no
01:43:32 reason to mess with things yeah all
01:43:36 right anyways
01:43:37 [Laughter]
01:43:40 so I just litzer saintly Catholic School
01:43:44 boys
01:43:45 uh whose Saints is the question why yeah
01:43:49 just like Angels whose Angel are you
01:43:53 yeah
01:43:57 um
01:43:59 uh let’s go back so we were looking at
01:44:02 in ties
01:44:04 yeah we’re looking at the word in size
01:44:06 but that came from looking at a follow
01:44:08 and yes which I I think we pretty much
01:44:12 we could do some more but I think the
01:44:13 big thing the follow means imitate and
01:44:16 so then yeah I see this and even in this
01:44:18 here inviteth in entice it to sin here
01:44:22 is using enticing negatively
01:44:25 um
01:44:26 because as what the devil does
01:44:29 so and so that’s really I mean it’s
01:44:32 really interesting how the Book of
01:44:34 Mormon connect will actually
01:44:36 shows both God and the devil enticing us
01:44:41 correct well he Yeshua does give us
01:44:43 promises right and that’s
01:44:46 especially at least in the beginning can
01:44:48 be an enticement yes and yeah it’s when
01:44:52 you’re in the beginning of the path and
01:44:54 you’re not yet strong you may need the
01:44:57 promises you may need the enticement of
01:44:59 the promises and you may need you may
01:45:01 need that enticement of the of
01:45:03 experiences with the Holy Ghost and I I
01:45:06 don’t think it’s wrong because even
01:45:08 enticement is kind of like hope right
01:45:11 and right the Book of Mormon actually
01:45:13 States
01:45:15 you can’t have faith without hope and
01:45:17 you can’t have hope without faith they
01:45:19 come at the same time it’s not one comes
01:45:22 before the other they actually and this
01:45:24 is one study we could do one time if you
01:45:25 want but and hopefully hopefully at some
01:45:28 point you get beyond the need for
01:45:29 enticement
01:45:31 right right but more ingredient is hope
01:45:33 is to some degree an enticement right
01:45:36 yeah
01:45:38 um oh yeah do a deep dive on Facebook
01:45:40 maturity yeah we could do that um next
01:45:43 time when my head’s not hurting so much
01:45:47 right now I’m really kind of wanted to
01:45:49 go oh sure no that’s fine and it’s
01:45:52 getting I mean we have more time but
01:45:54 yeah we do have more time but that one
01:45:58 we should probably start more in the
01:45:59 beginning yeah yeah anyways
01:46:04 yeah but let’s maybe go back to
01:46:08 um
01:46:08 mosiah oh no it was a Helaman six that’s
01:46:13 how we got there
01:46:14 yes
01:46:18 oh I need to figure out how to get that
01:46:22 to stop but anyways
01:46:24 um do you remember which verse
01:46:27 okay we had just gone through
01:46:33 humble followers
01:46:35 of God in the land that’s what led us
01:46:38 into followers
01:46:39 first one
01:46:41 okay
01:46:43 yeah okay and it came to pass that many
01:46:45 of the Lemonis did go into the land
01:46:47 northward and also so there’s that
01:46:51 migration again right
01:46:53 yes indeed
01:46:55 um
01:46:56 and also Nephi and Lehigh also went into
01:46:59 the land northward to preach unto the
01:47:01 people and thus ended the 60th and third
01:47:04 year and notice this talks about going
01:47:07 to preach unto the people
01:47:09 and I don’t know how many Nephites or
01:47:12 lamanites were up in the land northward
01:47:14 but they obviously knew that there were
01:47:16 peoples north of them
01:47:18 uh sure sure and you know there were
01:47:21 other peoples on the land at the time of
01:47:24 the Nephites and landonites uh
01:47:28 uh and interesting just an interesting
01:47:30 thought
01:47:31 uh I know where you’re getting at with
01:47:33 that I I tend to disagree
01:47:36 um because of some other verses
01:47:40 earlier yeah they did talk about it
01:47:42 earlier it might be still some jaredites
01:47:45 but I think
01:47:47 at least the only one that’s really
01:47:48 talked about that was still alive
01:47:51 um was was it nihor
01:47:54 uh yeah uh yeah I know the ship Builder
01:47:57 are you talking about the show no no the
01:47:59 the the one the the jaredite that left
01:48:02 the king that was left
01:48:05 um
01:48:07 coriander okay no he died coriander died
01:48:11 no he died he died among people of limpi
01:48:16 no not lempai is there a Hemlock is
01:48:19 there a Hemlock yeah the melakite I was
01:48:21 among the Mila kites yeah he died among
01:48:24 the mulekites and his name was Cory Adam
01:48:26 that’s who I’m thinking of
01:48:29 um he died with him after nine moons
01:48:31 right yeah
01:48:33 um
01:48:34 I I just there might have been others
01:48:37 but they only really talk about that one
01:48:40 right yeah and then there’s those other
01:48:42 verses which say that that this land is
01:48:45 a land reserved for those
01:48:48 who
01:48:49 so that’s yeah that kind of goes against
01:48:52 that too well and there’s a theory that
01:48:55 actually I think there is
01:48:58 so support for it when the mainland
01:49:00 kites came there’s a good chance that
01:49:02 other
01:49:04 another group stayed with them the oh no
01:49:09 the shipbuilders back then was it the
01:49:11 not the Phyllis oh I can’t remember
01:49:14 venetians yeah I think that Phoenicians
01:49:18 um they were shipbuilders and there’s
01:49:20 some evidence
01:49:22 like um
01:49:23 someone believes what is it Alma
01:49:28 11 where it lists the names of the
01:49:31 currency
01:49:32 is it 11 it’s somewhere around 11 I
01:49:35 think yeah and it’s yeah it’s 11. but
01:49:38 someone’s done some research on that and
01:49:40 he believes
01:49:42 that the naming of the currency is
01:49:45 similar to that
01:49:47 okay for The Phoenician currency yeah
01:49:51 um
01:49:52 anyways that’s a theory that I tend to
01:49:56 believe but I haven’t gotten a lot into
01:49:57 it so that could go along with it with
01:50:00 the others but I think
01:50:02 for the most part this book is about the
01:50:05 lamanites and the Nephites the the
01:50:07 lehights right but yeah it just and and
01:50:11 just because my point is is that and
01:50:16 my point is my point is just because the
01:50:20 book is about a certain set of people
01:50:22 doesn’t mean there aren’t other people
01:50:23 around them right because the Bible is
01:50:26 about the Israelites but it talks about
01:50:28 all the other peoples that are around
01:50:30 them sure for sure but in here on verse
01:50:32 6 when it says to preach unto the people
01:50:34 I would take that to be the people that
01:50:37 was just listed the Nephites and the
01:50:39 lamanites okay yeah not just
01:50:44 others in fact
01:50:46 so here’s an interesting Theory out
01:50:49 there okay
01:50:50 that uh do you know what the leviite law
01:50:54 is right where you take your brother’s
01:50:56 wife yes yes so there are people who
01:51:01 believe in the Book of Mormon and kind
01:51:03 of believe Torah and I’m going to say
01:51:05 kind of
01:51:06 especially in this case because Bill’s
01:51:09 claim that Lehigh was a polygamist under
01:51:13 that law
01:51:14 but that can’t be the case because
01:51:19 um
01:51:20 oh no the the father that came with
01:51:22 Lehigh his
01:51:25 uh was it Ishmael yeah he had Sons
01:51:30 so his wife had had no call on that
01:51:35 liberate law right
01:51:37 because it’s yeah you have to yeah you
01:51:42 have to Lehigh’s daughters
01:51:44 she knows to have she had the woman has
01:51:49 preparing cannot have produced offspring
01:51:52 right I I
01:51:55 so
01:51:56 I don’t know if none or it had to be
01:51:58 sons that I don’t know about my set off
01:52:01 top I’m inclined to think Sons okay we’d
01:52:04 have to go double check the text no any
01:52:06 or it does stay clearly in the Book of
01:52:10 Mormon that lehi’s daughters married
01:52:14 Sons right so he had sons and he had
01:52:17 daughters so either way he it smells
01:52:20 wife does not qualify but they get it
01:52:23 off of some not normal English at least
01:52:29 common English wording of
01:52:32 some things
01:52:34 um let me I have notes on it somewhere
01:52:37 let me see if I can find it
01:52:40 and my point is a lot of I like to try
01:52:44 to um
01:52:46 I like to try to find correlations
01:52:49 between what is found
01:52:53 in terms of
01:52:57 dug up evidence
01:52:59 and uh where and what things and where
01:53:03 things are which is one of the reasons
01:53:05 why I have a firm belief in the
01:53:06 Heartland theory
01:53:08 because there’s been many things dug up
01:53:11 yeah I agree with that I’m a heartlander
01:53:14 um but at the same time there is
01:53:17 evidence of many different kinds of
01:53:20 cultures flourishing all over the
01:53:22 American continent
01:53:23 well I I don’t believe
01:53:27 they went to mesoamerica as the church
01:53:31 pushes yeah anyway oh here we go right
01:53:34 yeah I don’t I’m not about my notes
01:53:37 I’m not a believer in that theory either
01:53:39 so it’s trying to but they but if with
01:53:44 all these different peoples on the same
01:53:45 continent it’s almost it’s hard to
01:53:47 believe that they wouldn’t have had some
01:53:49 interaction with some of these people
01:53:52 uh I I think they might have later on
01:53:55 um
01:53:56 I I I don’t I am actually someone
01:54:00 inclined During the period up to 400 420
01:54:04 A.D that they didn’t I I am in
01:54:07 inclination it was after but anyways
01:54:09 that’s not a big issue so some people
01:54:13 will try to claim the levite
01:54:16 um
01:54:17 Theory
01:54:18 for one it’s just wrong in the first
01:54:21 place right because
01:54:23 they had sons and daughters so yeah you
01:54:26 think it is it any or just the sun it
01:54:29 doesn’t qualify right but they go off of
01:54:32 how Nephi’s statement of their father
01:54:35 and my mother and things of that nature
01:54:39 so I
01:54:40 like
01:54:42 here’s one and when we had returned to
01:54:46 the tent of my father behold their Joy
01:54:49 was for oh no this is one that I was
01:54:50 using to contradict
01:54:53 uh
01:54:55 I forget the first thing
01:54:58 their father but he spake because of the
01:55:01 sickness
01:55:02 no that’s what I’m using to yeah this is
01:55:05 one that uh this is one that many
01:55:06 polygamists have used to show that
01:55:08 Lehigh was a polygamist yeah yeah and
01:55:10 you know what I’m getting at I mean by
01:55:13 211
01:55:14 days before
01:55:17 yeah so here’s my notes that shows that
01:55:19 Nephi at times says their father and
01:55:24 their mother so if they if you’re
01:55:27 consistent with the logic who is Nephi’s
01:55:29 father and mother
01:55:32 so it’s not saying that they have
01:55:34 different
01:55:35 fathers and mothers it’s that it’s
01:55:38 distancing
01:55:39 um Nephi from the siblings because one’s
01:55:42 righteous and one’s Wicked
01:55:45 yeah making different groups not saying
01:55:48 that different fathers because these
01:55:50 examples goes through how Nephi at times
01:55:54 will say my father or their father
01:55:57 so like here their father these are ones
01:56:01 Nephi speaking about his brothers right
01:56:03 and now he now this he spake because of
01:56:07 this stiff nakedness of layman and lemel
01:56:10 for behold they did murmur and many
01:56:13 things against their father now if you
01:56:16 go with that those polygamous arguments
01:56:18 I’ve researched this as you can tell
01:56:21 because I plan to do a post but you’ve
01:56:22 never heard me say that right but look
01:56:25 at this hair is saying their father
01:56:28 so if if they’re consistent with this
01:56:30 logic Lehi was not Nephi’s father
01:56:34 you’re right
01:56:36 right
01:56:37 because he was a Visionary man and had
01:56:40 led them out of the land of Jerusalem to
01:56:43 leave the land of their inheritance and
01:56:45 their gold and blah blah blah blah okay
01:56:47 well I shouldn’t say but then not only
01:56:48 do we have to and so then not only do we
01:56:51 have to believe in polygamy but also
01:56:53 polyandry
01:56:56 was adopted
01:56:59 that’s another possibility
01:57:01 right I mean if you think Nephi was
01:57:04 adopted then you can stay with polygamy
01:57:06 right but if you think Nephi was a
01:57:10 literal a natural son
01:57:12 which is
01:57:14 rid of polygamy yeah um but here’s
01:57:17 another verse with their father
01:57:19 explaining me out of the argument
01:57:20 definitely thus Layman and limo being
01:57:23 the eldest did murmur against their
01:57:25 father he didn’t say our father he’s
01:57:28 distancing himself from Layman and
01:57:29 Lemuel because they’re being bad that’s
01:57:31 what’s going on they’re being bad boys
01:57:35 and they did murmur because they knew
01:57:37 not the dealings of the Elohim who
01:57:40 created them anyways
01:57:43 um
01:57:44 these are list of verses that go against
01:57:47 the logic and showing it how he does it
01:57:50 with his mother and father
01:57:53 it’s distancing because of he doesn’t
01:57:57 want to be associated with them in their
01:57:59 current dealings that’s being taught
01:58:00 talked about that’s what’s going on
01:58:03 yeah not that polygamy was going on
01:58:08 um so
01:58:10 just going along the lines people will
01:58:12 prove text out of the text what they
01:58:15 want but
01:58:17 when you actually go look at the
01:58:18 examples like I just did here tons of
01:58:21 contexts here right and examples
01:58:25 it disproves this stuff but they don’t
01:58:28 want to look at the examples they just
01:58:29 want something that on the surface that
01:58:31 looks like proves their point
01:58:33 but when someone who goes in the details
01:58:36 like I do
01:58:39 disproves them
01:58:41 they get mad
01:58:43 and they start name calling instead of
01:58:46 it’s it’s
01:58:48 because I
01:58:51 we’d have to look I I don’t we can go
01:58:54 look at personally by one but I’m pretty
01:58:57 sure somewhere in the Book of Mormon
01:58:58 early it says that Nephi is the son of
01:59:00 Lehi
01:59:01 not adopted right yes
01:59:04 first Nephi chapter one verse one right
01:59:09 okay let’s go look there real quick
01:59:11 um I’m gonna do it in this one hey just
01:59:15 since we’re on this side subject right
01:59:17 I’m
01:59:19 I just don’t have that in my notes and
01:59:21 but I would tend to agree personally but
01:59:22 in fact they might even say in the uh
01:59:25 he’s been born of goodly parents
01:59:28 well therefore he doesn’t name the
01:59:30 parents
01:59:32 no okay here we go right in the very uh
01:59:35 right in the uh introduction here an
01:59:37 account of Lehigh and his wife Soraya
01:59:39 and His Four sons being called being at
01:59:41 the eldest Layman Lemuel Sam and me bite
01:59:44 yeah there we go
01:59:45 if I was the son of you know and we know
01:59:49 that this is Nephi who wrote this
01:59:50 because this is what he says at the end
01:59:52 of the introduction this is according to
01:59:54 the account of Nephi where in other
01:59:56 words I Nephi wrote This Record
01:59:59 so it’s not adoption
02:00:03 well
02:00:04 um
02:00:06 Okay so
02:00:09 you still call your adopted father
02:00:11 father right
02:00:13 but being bored of goodly parents
02:00:16 therefore I was taught someone in the
02:00:17 learning of my father have you just
02:00:19 being born right and he’s talking about
02:00:21 Lehigh here when you keep reading this
02:00:23 context right so if you’re reading it in
02:00:26 context of the even with the
02:00:28 introduction even it becomes readily
02:00:31 apparent that he was not right right
02:00:33 um so he’s definitely I I think just the
02:00:36 first part of first Nephi chose is that
02:00:39 in context
02:00:40 it shows that he was
02:00:42 born of Nephi yeah
02:00:46 sorry you know what I meant
02:00:49 yep
02:00:51 anyways the adoption Theory or
02:00:55 possibility because I I don’t believe
02:00:57 that theory right but it’s a possibility
02:01:00 yeah just all kinds of theories abound
02:01:03 well when you get in the details most
02:01:06 theories fail according to the
02:01:08 scriptures right and then here
02:01:10 and then there is when you have multiple
02:01:13 theories that could work according to
02:01:15 the scriptures usually the
02:01:17 archaeological record make any sense one
02:01:21 or the other of them out
02:01:22 and just write out there’s no clear
02:01:25 archaeological uh
02:01:27 Thai
02:01:29 to Central to mesoamerica and there’s a
02:01:31 clear very clear archaeological ties to
02:01:34 uh Department sure and my just because
02:01:38 this first means a lot to me
02:01:42 um but and Torah in the states
02:01:45 there are no steps to the altar all the
02:01:47 altars in Mesa America have steps
02:01:51 [Music]
02:01:54 or the Nephites most of the time kept
02:02:00 most of the most of the
02:02:04 holy places found in Minnesota in North
02:02:07 America
02:02:09 it’s raps yeah
02:02:12 right with Torah imagine
02:02:14 [Laughter]
02:02:17 um anyways
02:02:19 okay
02:02:21 yeah I know wow behold there was peace
02:02:25 in all the land and so much to Nephites
02:02:27 to go into whatsoever part of the land
02:02:29 they would whether among the need Pledge
02:02:30 of the late nights that sounds like a
02:02:33 lovely State of Affairs uh it kind of
02:02:36 sounds like Zion
02:02:38 yeah a little bit a little bit I mean
02:02:41 it’s not describing every
02:02:43 piece right but yeah it’s just peace
02:02:46 it’s not there’s not the desire for
02:02:48 Bloodshed at least
02:02:51 uh sure sure but there may not be a
02:02:53 total Unity of the faith and unity as
02:02:56 well
02:02:57 even in the future Zion
02:03:01 there’s still going to be War it’s just
02:03:03 not among yourselves because the outside
02:03:06 people are going to be warring and
02:03:08 actually going to try to organize you or
02:03:10 or Zion right but right because the
02:03:13 power of Yahweh is going to be with them
02:03:15 they’re going to be fearful
02:03:17 but anyways so just because there are
02:03:21 Wars going around it doesn’t mean it’s
02:03:23 not Zion and I was just using a future
02:03:25 event to show that right yeah that’s
02:03:28 true
02:03:29 um it’s the people and what they’re
02:03:31 doing in in the city that makes it Zion
02:03:34 or not not what the world is doing
02:03:37 because the world’s never going to speed
02:03:39 Zion
02:03:40 well
02:03:44 I don’t know uh
02:03:55 I don’t want to put anything past God
02:03:58 especially when he’s put his own word on
02:04:01 it yeah well so I I I I I guess I should
02:04:04 clarify I meant during the Mortal
02:04:07 probation period yeah yeah
02:04:09 [Music]
02:04:11 anyways but I corrected myself right
02:04:19 [Music]
02:04:22 and they just have free intercourse one
02:04:24 with another to buy and sell and to get
02:04:26 grain according to their desire no this
02:04:28 is not talking about free love this is
02:04:30 talking about bringing me yeah I that’s
02:04:32 that’s a lot of usage of that word
02:04:34 if you want but I think we’re on the
02:04:36 same page and I’d rather focus on
02:04:38 anything other things but we’re having
02:04:39 intercourse right now
02:04:41 right exactly you can just be
02:04:43 communication but yeah
02:04:47 yeah
02:04:49 this is where old dictionaries come in
02:04:52 handy with things that were translated
02:04:54 in an old world right that’s not what
02:04:56 these words mean because someone could
02:04:59 proof text that free sex with one
02:05:01 another and that’s that’s
02:05:05 not what I would say
02:05:07 70. interesting
02:05:10 I don’t know if that was I mean they did
02:05:13 it in the 60s too I don’t know when it
02:05:15 became more popular 60s or 70s but
02:05:17 anyways yes
02:05:23 enough with that one
02:05:25 yes moving on
02:05:28 and it came past they became exceedingly
02:05:31 rich but lamanites and the fights look
02:05:33 at that if you keep the Commandments of
02:05:35 God especially when tons of people are
02:05:38 doing it you’ll get rich
02:05:40 wow that’s amazing I wish it I wish that
02:05:43 would work for me
02:05:46 that gets twisted but it has this
02:05:49 principle in it right
02:05:51 yeah test me
02:05:53 and see
02:05:54 you know right but anyways I will not
02:05:57 pour out the blessings of Heaven pour
02:05:59 out not drizzle
02:06:02 poor yeah right anyways yeah both the
02:06:06 late nights and the Nephites they didn’t
02:06:08 have an exceeding plenty of golden of
02:06:11 silver and all manner of precious metals
02:06:13 and if I had that I could
02:06:15 buy up all the land that I and all the I
02:06:18 could buy up the land I need
02:06:21 both in the Land South in the land north
02:06:24 yeah both of the land stop and in the
02:06:27 land north that would be good
02:06:34 you can buy the whole country huh yeah
02:06:37 no actually I was I no there’s actually
02:06:40 just
02:06:42 the Lord’s
02:06:43 I need to be able to
02:06:46 there’s a certain amount of there’s a
02:06:48 certain amount of land that needs to be
02:06:50 purchased
02:06:52 okay
02:06:53 we’re um
02:06:57 firstly
02:07:00 something that uh and something that is
02:07:02 something that the lord has laid upon me
02:07:04 and I’m sure that he will give me the
02:07:05 means whereby I can do it but it’s okay
02:07:08 that’s for a Gathering Place
02:07:10 okay well I hope you get it
02:07:14 yeah you’ll have to tell me more another
02:07:17 time yeah
02:07:19 okay uh do you want to take a turn Zach
02:07:22 or do you want me
02:07:27 I think they’re right here
02:07:32 it’s just like a verse very slow uh just
02:07:34 whatever you want to do
02:07:38 another itself is called Lehigh all that
02:07:41 North is called Bluebook
02:07:43 is that you’re saying new electrolock
02:07:46 music
02:07:48 yeah which is actually the son of
02:07:50 zedekiah oh that says moolock in there
02:07:53 yeah I I would I exactly you got it
02:07:56 right then mulak yeah
02:08:00 foreign
02:08:01 [Music]
02:08:05 so one thing I I mean I don’t get a lot
02:08:07 of this but the one thing that I see I
02:08:10 think personally as a heartlander the
02:08:12 reason I would say the land South is
02:08:14 named after Lehigh because they landed
02:08:18 in the South I think actually uh Florida
02:08:21 but anyways somewhere in the South and I
02:08:24 think that’s why they’re naming that
02:08:26 line South Lehigh going off of that idea
02:08:30 that’s where Lehigh landed and he was
02:08:32 the patriarch when that happened
02:08:36 foreign
02:08:48 of every kind
02:08:50 and there was also curious working
02:08:54 which did work all kinds of war and
02:08:56 didn’t refine them
02:08:57 unless they did become rich
02:08:59 this one I can see
02:09:03 um just a couple things but one on the
02:09:05 back on the Heartland idea there there
02:09:07 are especially when Ohio there’s a lot
02:09:10 of museums that shows
02:09:13 a lot of curious work done out of oars
02:09:17 yeah uh swords and
02:09:21 um
02:09:22 armor and other things
02:09:25 okay I have a question sure
02:09:28 why the difference
02:09:31 from mulek to mule locks or from muleoc
02:09:34 to mulick
02:09:38 why would that be a change worth making
02:09:42 oh
02:09:44 um well let’s go look it up so that’s
02:09:45 this one’s
02:09:47 um I guess in yours it has Mew lick I
02:09:50 guess yeah so let’s go look at human 610
02:09:53 let’s go find out
02:09:54 I don’t know at all that’s not one that
02:09:57 I’m too worried about but let’s go find
02:09:59 out no I’m just it’s more of a curiosity
02:10:01 yeah well
02:10:03 let’s go find out because I have a
02:10:05 resource for that
02:10:07 I just gotta go open it and I’ll share
02:10:09 it okay we’ve never heard you say that
02:10:12 before
02:10:13 that I have a resource for that that’s
02:10:16 right uh I you know I’m a lazy learner
02:10:21 sorry
02:10:23 I don’t know if you guys know what that
02:10:24 means what did you say a lazy learner
02:10:30 fascinating
02:10:34 I’m just being a dork
02:10:38 um kill him in sixth
02:10:41 too far
02:10:44 so this is uh the textual variance
02:10:48 volume 4 from Royal skeleton which is
02:10:52 um shows all the reasons for all the
02:10:56 texts in the earliest text which is my
02:10:58 favorite edition
02:10:59 yeah
02:11:02 um this gives all the details one day I
02:11:05 want to buy the physicals of these right
02:11:06 now I just have it in digital
02:11:12 right
02:11:13 I saw him
02:11:16 and we want six six ten I think it was
02:11:19 yeah
02:11:25 uh
02:11:28 [Music]
02:11:35 all right come on
02:11:38 fine
02:11:39 six eight
02:11:44 nine
02:11:47 this okay so does yours say something
02:11:50 else
02:11:52 no it’s everything else is the same
02:11:54 except one is
02:11:57 yeah I’m gonna go look because it just
02:12:00 it’s not there it just tips over
02:12:04 so maybe he forgot to put something in
02:12:06 because this would be the first time
02:12:08 I’ve seen it
02:12:09 yeah and this is the first one I’ve seen
02:12:12 him not have a note on it so I I don’t
02:12:15 know what to tell you
02:12:16 yeah my
02:12:18 educated guess it’s because it’s in the
02:12:21 printers or the original manuscript
02:12:26 um but
02:12:27 I I don’t know because it’s it’s not
02:12:29 here right because nine yeah
02:12:33 16. so I I don’t know
02:12:36 that’s weird okay it’s probably normal
02:12:40 oversight one day I do want to get uh
02:12:42 replicas of the printers and originals
02:12:46 but I don’t have them so I can’t tell
02:12:47 you I don’t know yeah so oh I think my
02:12:51 theory would be not knowing any better
02:12:54 it’s probably in the printers or the
02:12:57 original
02:12:58 okay
02:13:00 that makes sense
02:13:02 and this was just probably an oversight
02:13:04 and it’s not there or maybe those these
02:13:08 volumes were big enough he thought there
02:13:09 was a small enough one to bust it out
02:13:11 but in general that’s the first time
02:13:13 I’ve seen it one knot in there
02:13:17 wow yeah that’s pretty yeah that’s
02:13:20 strange
02:13:22 so let’s move on okay
02:13:24 uh
02:13:26 um I’ll take a turn again unless uh Matt
02:13:29 do you want to
02:13:31 uh let me see here we’re on 12.
02:13:36 hold on hold on I’ll be right there all
02:13:40 right
02:13:44 that’s here
02:13:46 uh up
02:13:48 you’re ready to go up well first of all
02:13:51 you got to read the first line oh is it
02:13:53 one of those things okay did it raise
02:13:56 drain and abundance both in the north
02:13:59 and in the south
02:14:01 and they did flourish exceedingly both
02:14:04 in the north and in the South and they
02:14:07 did multiply and wax exceedingly strong
02:14:09 in the land and they did raise many
02:14:12 flocks and herds yay many fat Lanes
02:14:15 behold their women did toil and spin and
02:14:18 make all manner of cloth fine-twined
02:14:21 linen and cloth of every kind to clothe
02:14:24 their nakedness and thus the 60th and
02:14:27 fourth year did pass away in peace in
02:14:32 this 60 year and fifth year they did
02:14:35 also have great joy and peace yay much
02:14:37 preaching and many prophecies concerning
02:14:40 that which was to come and thus passed
02:14:43 away the 60th and fifth year became
02:14:47 stop so
02:14:49 um one thing I forgot to say earlier or
02:14:51 we got sidetracked is
02:14:54 um although they’re being righteous look
02:14:56 they’re still being taught and the
02:14:59 preaching that hasn’t stopped right
02:15:03 um and one thing that just came to me
02:15:06 um these things that they’re listing as
02:15:08 blessings yeah right now reminds me of
02:15:12 the blessings for keeping the law which
02:15:14 we just read that they’re doing from
02:15:16 Deuteronomy 28 and 29. yes
02:15:20 so this is indirectly pointing to Torah
02:15:25 all right or maybe directly
02:15:28 well yeah yeah I guess directly I guess
02:15:32 it kind of depends on your mindset I
02:15:34 could go either way on that but it’s
02:15:37 a couple of these I mean I don’t have it
02:15:40 all memorable look but a lot of these I
02:15:43 I am starting to remember it it’s those
02:15:45 are part of the blessings from
02:15:46 Deuteronomy 28 29. it is yeah those are
02:15:50 those are the blessings from Deuteronomy
02:15:52 28 but you for somebody who did not want
02:15:55 to believe in Deuteronomy you would have
02:15:57 to point out the connection and show
02:16:00 them that they would also have to begin
02:16:01 disbelieving in the Book of Mormon but
02:16:04 right and it goes with the context but
02:16:07 it says that they’re they’re believing
02:16:08 right and they’re keeping the law and
02:16:11 now they’re being Bountiful just like
02:16:13 Deuteronomy 28 29 uh
02:16:16 28 29 lists for blessings there’s teen
02:16:20 shows like cancer that was growing
02:16:22 Within
02:16:24 and it came to pass that in the 60 and
02:16:27 60 year of the reign of the judges the
02:16:29 old sayoram was murdered an unknown hand
02:16:33 as he sat upon the Judgment seat and it
02:16:35 came to pass but in the same year that
02:16:37 his son which had been appointed by the
02:16:40 people in his said was also murdered
02:16:43 oh
02:16:44 and thus ended the 16th sixth year and
02:16:47 in the commencement of the 60th and
02:16:49 seventh year the people began to grow
02:16:51 exceeding Wicked again
02:16:53 see so what you see there
02:16:56 is even in those righteous phases this
02:16:59 is why this is not Zion even in those
02:17:01 righteous spaces where the majority of
02:17:02 the people are righteous there’s this
02:17:04 wicked underbelly that’s growing and
02:17:07 growing and growing yeah
02:17:10 and so that’s why that’s why they could
02:17:12 not establish Zion in that Society
02:17:15 wow wow it might have been Zion for a
02:17:18 little bit I don’t know
02:17:20 um but then
02:17:22 it can be a safe assessment
02:17:25 that it could have been designed for a
02:17:27 little and then well they forgot well
02:17:30 some did and I think it’s not about a
02:17:34 question if you’re thriving or not or
02:17:38 you’re having a lot of things it’s more
02:17:40 what’s in your heart because here they
02:17:42 had everything they could desire right
02:17:45 is that they even had
02:17:48 buying twine linen and cloth of every
02:17:50 kind I I they had everything that their
02:17:53 hearts could desire
02:17:54 but they still wanted to do it their way
02:17:59 some and then they converted other
02:18:01 people to that Wicked
02:18:05 um
02:18:07 it’s
02:18:09 it’s about the heart and what you desire
02:18:11 not what you have
02:18:13 yeah
02:18:15 so 17 goes on to explain what you
02:18:18 basically said for behold the Lord and
02:18:20 bless them so long with the riches of
02:18:22 the world therefore they began to set
02:18:25 their hearts upon their riches they
02:18:27 heading up and stirred up to anger
02:18:28 towards or in order to bloodshed
02:18:31 therefore they begin to set their hearts
02:18:32 privileges
02:18:35 oh did I I’m sorry uh that they had yeah
02:18:39 I’m sorry
02:18:43 therefore they began to set their hearts
02:18:46 upon their riches yea they began to seek
02:18:49 to get a gain that they might be lifted
02:18:51 up one above another therefore they
02:18:54 began to commit secret MERS and to Rob
02:18:57 and to plunder that they might get gain
02:19:00 I’ll pay you later Matt okay but
02:19:04 um on my point of where they may have
02:19:06 had Zion for a little bit
02:19:08 right the began means it had a beginning
02:19:12 meaning there was a time that wasn’t
02:19:14 that way right right it wasn’t that way
02:19:18 always it started and I would say how
02:19:22 long I I don’t know right but
02:19:25 um because this is only a period of four
02:19:26 in three to four years yeah sure sure so
02:19:29 it wasn’t long I did have
02:19:32 um but that’s the first one I’m just
02:19:34 saying
02:19:37 because it got Wicked doesn’t mean it
02:19:39 wasn’t yeah
02:19:41 right I mean it’s like that window to
02:19:44 establish Zion is so narrow
02:19:47 sure I mean you can even take the
02:19:49 seventh Millennium right
02:19:51 there is a sixth day that most people
02:19:54 don’t know about a six Millennium I I
02:19:56 don’t actually know if it’s going to be
02:19:57 a thousand years but there is a sixth
02:19:59 Millennium six day
02:20:01 that people are going to be Wicked
02:20:04 and so he
02:20:06 period you would say that because
02:20:08 there’s wickedness afterwards shows that
02:20:10 wasn’t Zion you would have to say the
02:20:12 Millennia is not Zion
02:20:14 that’s true
02:20:17 I don’t think you would say that right
02:20:24 um it just it didn’t last long that’s
02:20:26 what we can so yeah
02:20:30 so let’s see 18. and behold it was
02:20:33 definitely out of the 200 year variety
02:20:35 uh no no no
02:20:40 you checking back over Stephen yeah I’ll
02:20:43 take over it’s just the the 200 number
02:20:45 200 year could be interesting right
02:20:47 because um
02:20:49 we’re coming on
02:20:51 200 years Book of Mormon
02:20:54 um yeah yeah and it’s about 200 years in
02:20:58 the Book of Mormon then it got Wicked
02:21:01 well here’s another thing here’s another
02:21:03 thing that’s kind of interesting
02:21:06 that window for Zion to be established
02:21:09 those blessings of just this infinite
02:21:14 wealth and material possessions
02:21:18 it just shows how quickly all of that
02:21:21 stuff
02:21:23 can then get you to get like a God
02:21:26 complex on for sure you know you know it
02:21:28 actually shows a couple things because
02:21:29 when there was a community look how fast
02:21:31 they got that
02:21:33 right but at the same point what you’re
02:21:35 bringing up is look how fast they lost
02:21:37 it
02:21:37 yeah yeah
02:21:39 so they they they were quick on both
02:21:41 ends right
02:21:45 which is kind of scary actually yeah it
02:21:49 is
02:21:50 writing at the same time yeah yeah and
02:21:54 yeah it’s it’s an encouragement and a
02:21:58 warning yes it’s encouragement because
02:22:00 it can happen fast
02:22:05 from where we are right now it could
02:22:09 happen in less than 10 years
02:22:12 well didn’t we say this was in four
02:22:14 years somewhere or did I remember yeah
02:22:17 but they but they they I don’t know that
02:22:19 they were quite where we are right now
02:22:23 uh
02:22:25 well they were pretty divided the
02:22:28 lamanites that’s true we are very good
02:22:33 so I actually human thoughts some pretty
02:22:37 bad things that they were doing right it
02:22:39 has to happen first is that powerful
02:22:42 manifestation of the spirit as Believers
02:22:46 preach the word
02:22:50 and baptize
02:22:54 that has to happen that has to be one of
02:22:58 the that has to be one of the if we’re
02:23:00 looking at this as a type for the second
02:23:03 coming
02:23:05 five also has to happen
02:23:08 so
02:23:09 for a quick rise to happen
02:23:13 uh sure sure
02:23:15 um
02:23:16 and along those points before the second
02:23:18 coming there is going to be a wave of
02:23:21 righteousness that’s going to happen
02:23:23 um I don’t know how many people it’s
02:23:26 going to be but there the scriptures do
02:23:27 talk about a wave of righteousness right
02:23:30 it also talks about a wave of wickedness
02:23:32 coming also so there’s kind of uses in
02:23:35 both aspects so and this is kind of what
02:23:37 we’re seeing here A whole bunch of
02:23:40 righteousness and a whole bunch of
02:23:41 wickedness coming up right so
02:23:45 um it goes along with that
02:23:48 anyways and just along with that and
02:23:50 speaking of wickedness and now behold
02:23:54 those murderers and blunders were a ban
02:23:56 which had been formed by kiss cumam and
02:23:58 Gideon
02:24:00 and now it came to pass that there were
02:24:02 many even Among the Nephites the
02:24:05 supposed more righteous group right of
02:24:09 gani anthem’s bad bad but behold they
02:24:12 were more numerous among the more wicked
02:24:15 parts of
02:24:17 the laminates
02:24:20 um so I
02:24:22 that’s a little tricky
02:24:24 but I believe that is saying that the
02:24:26 Nephites were more numerous among the
02:24:28 more wicked parts of this
02:24:32 what it’s saying is that the Getty
02:24:34 mountains there were many there were
02:24:37 many get-ins Among the Nephites but they
02:24:39 were more numerous among the more wicked
02:24:41 part of the landlords
02:24:44 that’s what it’s saying so it’s in
02:24:47 reference to Gary Adams fan yeah yeah
02:24:49 yeah okay all right
02:24:52 um so basically just like the
02:24:54 righteousness when the righteousness
02:24:56 began to grow it started first this is
02:24:59 this is an interesting thing here and
02:25:01 the righteousness begins to grow here at
02:25:03 the beginning it starts among the
02:25:04 lamanites when the wickedness begins to
02:25:07 grow
02:25:08 where does it grow most among the
02:25:11 lamanites
02:25:15 it’s an interesting little thing right
02:25:17 there well so I I know new age teaches
02:25:19 that there must be a balance of
02:25:21 righteousness and wickedness I don’t
02:25:23 believe that
02:25:24 no I don’t I’m not that’s not what I’m
02:25:26 espousing here at all okay
02:25:28 uh well I’m I’m just wondering I’m just
02:25:31 pointing out
02:25:33 a coincidence that does exist in the
02:25:36 record
02:25:37 sure okay and that may be and there and
02:25:41 there may be I don’t know why that
02:25:44 coincidence exists
02:25:48 well the one thing it could be
02:25:51 is the lamanice became the more
02:25:54 righteous for a period of time right as
02:25:56 it mentioned here but then when you give
02:25:59 up more righteousness you actually
02:26:01 become more wicked
02:26:03 yeah that makes sense I think that’s
02:26:06 more what’s going on here yeah
02:26:08 because in other places it’s the other
02:26:11 way but
02:26:13 um I think it’s just more
02:26:16 those who become more righteous uh fall
02:26:20 ER and harder right it’s just like the
02:26:23 giant they fall Carter and
02:26:26 more right just because they’re taller
02:26:28 and heavier but I think that’s more
02:26:29 what’s going on yeah
02:26:33 um
02:26:33 then they did
02:26:35 and it was they which did murder the
02:26:38 chief judge cerezram and his son while
02:26:41 in the Judgment seat and behold they
02:26:43 were not found and it came to pass that
02:26:45 when the lamanites found that there were
02:26:47 robbers among them
02:26:49 they were exceedingly sorrowful
02:26:52 and they did use every means whatsoever
02:26:56 in their power to destroy them off the
02:26:58 face of the Earth okay so that’s one
02:27:01 response to the robbers uh well I can
02:27:05 see
02:27:06 this destroy could be taken two ways and
02:27:09 I would assume that it’s actually and I
02:27:11 think
02:27:13 I kind of remember this part I do think
02:27:15 it actually speaks more of teaching
02:27:18 um yeah there there is some teaching
02:27:21 that goes on but but destroying people
02:27:23 physically or spirit and or food
02:27:25 spiritually right yeah
02:27:27 if you bring life to the darkness the
02:27:29 darkness disappears right in fact I
02:27:32 think even using in every means implies
02:27:35 physical and spiritual means right
02:27:38 whatsoever was in their power
02:27:41 right they had the power to speak and
02:27:43 they had the power to swing swords
02:27:46 right
02:27:47 um I think in this case it would be more
02:27:49 the the state uh
02:27:53 executing righteous judgments which
02:27:58 in some cases is capital punishment
02:28:00 right yep
02:28:02 um I think that’s more what’s going to
02:28:04 because I
02:28:05 but I just I think it’s just take
02:28:07 judgment into your own hands there’s a
02:28:09 process too right yeah there’s a process
02:28:11 but I think it’s more I think it’s more
02:28:14 instructive to take a look at the
02:28:16 juxtaposition of what the Layman how the
02:28:18 lamanites respond to this how the
02:28:21 Nephites respond
02:28:22 okay you want to read but behold Satan
02:28:25 did stir up the hearts of the more part
02:28:27 of the knee fights and so much that they
02:28:29 Unite with those bands of robbers and it
02:28:31 enter into their covenants and their
02:28:33 oats that they would protect and
02:28:35 preserve one another in whatsoever
02:28:37 difficult circumstances they should be
02:28:39 placed that they should not suffer for
02:28:40 their murders and their standings
02:28:45 so what are the Nephites doing they’re
02:28:47 embracing it right right and they’re
02:28:50 finding ways to help them help each
02:28:53 other and doing these evil things yeah
02:28:56 rather than repenting while the limit
02:28:59 well the lamanites are repenting
02:29:02 yeah where the room the lamanites are
02:29:04 repenting and trying to get rid of it
02:29:06 the Nephites
02:29:08 are embracing it and building it up and
02:29:11 building it up
02:29:13 yeah
02:29:15 which is sad
02:29:16 right I mean it doesn’t matter who’s
02:29:19 doing the building up the wickedness but
02:29:21 it’s just sad
02:29:23 you know it’s just like it’s just like
02:29:25 when you see the
02:29:28 just like when you see modern religion
02:29:31 all of religion practices
02:29:33 in lockstep with secret combinations of
02:29:37 running the world today
02:29:39 yeah in fact most I even see this in the
02:29:44 book of ether and the Old Testament but
02:29:47 it’s originally
02:29:48 the wicked church that’s controlling the
02:29:51 state to do more wickedness
02:29:53 and that’s actually the case today yeah
02:29:57 yeah the pattern hasn’t changed
02:30:03 is controlling all of these actions in
02:30:06 ether where it’s the daughter that tells
02:30:09 the father here’s these secret
02:30:11 combinations
02:30:12 it’s because it’s bringing out it’s the
02:30:15 church that tells the state
02:30:17 to do these things and and then it’s a
02:30:20 church that’s controlling the state to
02:30:23 do it if anyways
02:30:26 um
02:30:27 and it came to pass that they didn’t
02:30:29 have their signs either secret signs and
02:30:32 their secret words
02:30:34 uh their secret handshakes
02:30:39 their secret Covenants
02:30:43 I think you’re reading between the lines
02:30:45 there a little bit I agree with you
02:30:48 you’re reading a little bit
02:30:51 and it’s not exactly in the scripture
02:30:54 I’m sorry
02:30:56 I can go read Moses one the Moses
02:31:01 this one’s in the scripture is a bad
02:31:04 yeah the the the the unless that they
02:31:08 might distinguish a brother who had
02:31:09 entered into Covenant that would
02:31:10 whatsoever wickedness his brother should
02:31:12 do he should not be injured by his
02:31:14 brother nor by those who did belong to
02:31:16 his band who had taken this Covenant
02:31:18 unless of course that brother should
02:31:21 attempt ever to walk away from that
02:31:24 Covenant then all brothers are to kill
02:31:27 that brother and that’s the end of it so
02:31:32 um anyways so it’s interesting the the
02:31:35 righteous
02:31:37 don’t need to know
02:31:41 um who the other righteous are to be
02:31:42 righteous right no they don’t but the
02:31:46 wicked
02:31:48 want to know who the other Wicked are
02:31:52 and it’s interesting they they can’t
02:31:54 just tell by the works or at least the
02:31:56 public works right
02:31:58 and so they have their handshakes so
02:32:01 that way they can distinguish a brother
02:32:03 in the day and in the night
02:32:06 yeah
02:32:07 AKA
02:32:08 in the light and in the darkness what is
02:32:11 the light what they’re trying to put
02:32:12 forth in the public what they’re doing
02:32:14 versus the dark when they’re actually
02:32:17 doing what they really want to do
02:32:20 yeah
02:32:22 so
02:32:24 what I’m trying to get at the the wicked
02:32:27 need these signs to know who is who
02:32:30 because this is why the occult has the
02:32:33 black and the white they need to do some
02:32:36 good and some bad they’re mixed together
02:32:38 we’re God’s ways don’t need the mix
02:32:41 but Satan’s way in so many ways needs to
02:32:45 mix the good and the bad together and so
02:32:47 that’s why they need their signs and
02:32:49 their oceans and their handshakes
02:32:54 um
02:32:56 to know who’s who right any organization
02:33:01 that you happen to be affiliated with
02:33:03 requires Secrets signs and secret
02:33:05 handshakes run oh actually here’s one
02:33:09 that someone shared with me the other
02:33:11 day
02:33:13 um
02:33:14 Skull and Bones you probably are a
02:33:16 little aware of that right oh yes I’m
02:33:19 Allen key
02:33:21 um
02:33:23 so Russell M Nelson
02:33:26 oops that’s not the one I want
02:33:30 Russell M Nelson is a member of Skull
02:33:34 and Bones here’s a page
02:33:38 and you get a different maybe a
02:33:40 different you want to know that you want
02:33:42 to know soul and Bones is directly
02:33:45 attached to Owen owl and key and owl and
02:33:50 key members choose the Skull and Bones
02:33:52 members
02:33:53 I don’t know Allen key
02:33:56 um
02:33:57 yeah they’re they’re the next level up
02:34:00 in the secret combination of that
02:34:02 particular secret combination
02:34:05 I I don’t know that one but
02:34:09 um
02:34:13 let’s see
02:34:15 yeah I think that’s a little bigger and
02:34:17 easier to see but
02:34:19 in um Russell um Nelson’s uh biography
02:34:23 he admits he’s a member of Skull and
02:34:25 Bones
02:34:28 Alan key the one you’re mentioning so I
02:34:30 guess he moved up in the ranks which
02:34:32 that’s not a good statement in this case
02:34:36 that’s not a good thing at all
02:34:39 um I The Beehive honorary Society
02:34:43 um so
02:34:44 I I don’t know that one but considering
02:34:47 what these other ones are they’re called
02:34:48 this one’s going to be cult and that
02:34:50 just goes along with Brigham Young’s
02:34:52 beehive that he loved right uh yeah it’s
02:34:54 a cult
02:34:56 it’s a symbol of Babylon yeah
02:35:00 anyways I’m just trying to bring out
02:35:03 this beehive sign that the brigaminds
02:35:06 love is not necessarily a good thing
02:35:08 because here he’s bringing out Skull and
02:35:10 Bones Allen key and beehive honorary
02:35:13 Societies in the senior year and at
02:35:15 graduation time to the honorary
02:35:16 Scholastic code of Phi comma Phi by
02:35:20 copify
02:35:24 uh yeah I don’t know much about those
02:35:26 ones but anyways now those are those
02:35:29 typical
02:35:30 yeah
02:35:33 fraternities okay
02:35:37 um but
02:35:39 that comes from
02:35:43 Russell and
02:35:45 Nelson’s biography but guess what those
02:35:49 honorary fraternities have initiation
02:35:51 rights that you have to go through as
02:35:53 well oh yeah uh I’ve seen a little bit
02:35:56 of Skull and Bones one I mean I don’t
02:35:57 have it all memorized but
02:35:59 see from the heart of
02:36:02 heart to heart and autobiography Russell
02:36:06 M Nelson I mean I can go find it again
02:36:08 but anyways a friend showed me that and
02:36:11 one thing I find interesting
02:36:15 um
02:36:16 since Russell Nelson came in full power
02:36:20 they’ve restructured the church some on
02:36:24 the legal side right
02:36:27 uh when you become a member of skull and
02:36:30 bones when you die everything goes to
02:36:32 skull and bones
02:36:35 yeah
02:36:37 I postulate that’s why Russell Nelson
02:36:42 reorganized the legal structure of the
02:36:44 church
02:36:47 to make that easier
02:36:49 because he’s the sole proprietary
02:36:52 and when he does
02:36:54 the church now passes into the hand into
02:36:57 the hands of the secret society yeah I
02:37:00 mean they’re going to make it look like
02:37:01 that’s not the case but I
02:37:04 to me it makes sense
02:37:06 because
02:37:08 what you you do an awful skull and bones
02:37:11 and that restructuring
02:37:13 that it makes sense to me but I I mean I
02:37:16 also know I’m speculating but I think
02:37:18 it’s valid speculation but anyways it is
02:37:23 something it is definitely worth
02:37:25 considering
02:37:26 yeah it’s kind of scary
02:37:29 um on that note it’s probably late
02:37:31 enough it’s probably time to go live oh
02:37:33 yeah there we go yeah I’ll sleep well on
02:37:35 the I’ll sleep well on these thoughts
02:37:37 unless we want to uh
02:37:40 chapter so maybe we shouldn’t finish it
02:37:43 but yeah
02:37:45 I’ll sleep well with those thoughts
02:37:51 [Laughter]
02:37:55 that’s not necessarily good because that
02:37:57 reminds me of Peter Pan right and it’s
02:38:00 500 pan if you just knew what pan was
02:38:02 you’d know that’s not a good thing but
02:38:04 anyway no it’s not a good thing
02:38:09 um
02:38:10 but you want to end on something more
02:38:12 positive we can go read yeah let’s find
02:38:15 something really quick and positive
02:38:17 let’s get a good uh maybe a good song or
02:38:22 something
02:38:23 uh I was thinking more scripture than a
02:38:25 song but we could end on a song I was
02:38:28 thinking there’s more something for the
02:38:29 recording yeah something something more
02:38:32 positive than the recording gosh yeah
02:38:36 um
02:38:42 well I I mean 1353 comes off top of my
02:38:45 head but I don’t want to read that whole
02:38:46 chapter
02:38:47 so I don’t know if you have something
02:38:48 there that comes to mind
02:38:52 oh so here’s something that comes to
02:38:54 mind
02:38:55 um from there
02:38:58 let me see if I can find it though so
02:39:03 we see yahweh’s name in 3511.
02:39:08 so and we can talk about that some yeah
02:39:13 um
02:39:23 now that I would be interested to see
02:39:27 where I mean
02:39:32 I am
02:39:34 so here we go okay so okay
02:39:39 just a little bit do you know what
02:39:42 Yahweh is in the picture graph
02:39:47 behold the nail behold the hand or is it
02:39:51 but hold the hand behold the nail
02:39:53 oh yeah
02:39:54 yeah
02:39:55 um I I forget the order but it that’s
02:39:57 what it is we can go find out what it is
02:39:59 real quick
02:40:00 um that is way cool
02:40:02 and anyways okay so we’ll just do that
02:40:05 because we are trying to end so people
02:40:07 can go look it up but
02:40:09 you always behold the hand behold the
02:40:11 nail or behold the nail behold the hand
02:40:13 look at these verses and arise and come
02:40:16 forth unto me that ye may thrust your
02:40:18 hands into my side
02:40:20 and we could get into this too but well
02:40:22 I don’t want to get too much but you may
02:40:25 feel the nail Prince
02:40:28 the prince of the nails in my hands and
02:40:30 in my feet that you may know
02:40:33 I am
02:40:36 Elohim of Israel
02:40:38 the Elohim of the whole Earth
02:40:41 and have been slain for the sins of the
02:40:44 world
02:40:48 Yahweh
02:40:52 I am Yahweh
02:40:55 I am Elohim
02:40:57 behold the nail Prince and the
02:40:59 handprints
02:41:01 [Music]
02:41:03 Yahweh
02:41:06 and then 15 the witness they came to
02:41:09 pass the multitude went forth and thrust
02:41:11 their hands into his side and did feel
02:41:14 the prince of his nail and his hands and
02:41:16 in his feet and they did
02:41:21 this did they go forth one by one until
02:41:23 they had all gone forth and did see with
02:41:26 their
02:41:27 eyes and did fill with their hands and
02:41:30 didn’t know now look at this seeing and
02:41:33 it’s through the Book of Mormon in the
02:41:35 scriptures seeing is knowing
02:41:39 and did Bear witness that this it was he
02:41:44 of whom it was written of the process
02:41:46 that that should come now being is
02:41:49 knowing that it’s not believing
02:41:52 and it’s not faith
02:41:55 so this even goes back to the garden
02:42:00 um but
02:42:02 also
02:42:04 um
02:42:06 so hands have to do with work
02:42:10 and
02:42:13 Nails also have to do with judgment
02:42:22 when we do his works the world is going
02:42:25 to judge us
02:42:29 and so in a sense he’s also telling us
02:42:33 to a certain degree
02:42:35 we’re going to go through what he went
02:42:37 through
02:42:39 in the Judgment of the world behold
02:42:44 yeah
02:42:45 let’s maybe let’s go look at the word
02:42:48 behold okay
02:42:49 and you know but that’s not the Hope in
02:42:52 all of that is
02:42:55 this is the victory of the Saints
02:42:59 and the testimony of Jesus
02:43:03 and patience
02:43:05 right I mean the patience has to do with
02:43:07 enduring
02:43:09 yep
02:43:17 foreign
02:43:19 people people talk about the Book of
02:43:22 Revelation like it’s the scariest book
02:43:23 ever
02:43:24 and for me it just holds
02:43:27 so much hope
02:43:29 um
02:43:31 it’s a mixture
02:43:33 um to be honest and
02:43:35 yeah in my opinion and in fact I see
02:43:40 this in um
02:43:43 eight if I remember correctly
02:43:46 when it’s talking about where the people
02:43:49 the Lim Heights got with the zero
02:43:52 zerohemites
02:43:54 correct is there a hemline yeah anyways
02:43:59 um
02:44:01 they had both
02:44:03 they sorrowed because of what they went
02:44:05 through
02:44:06 but then they also joined because they
02:44:08 were brothers in the Messiah
02:44:10 and they came to the truth so it’s a
02:44:13 mixed bag and
02:44:18 I that’s the bitter and the sweet
02:44:20 well and the thing but the thing and the
02:44:23 thing that I keep trying to point out to
02:44:25 people
02:44:26 is
02:44:28 that the Book of Revelation isn’t
02:44:30 necessarily so much about a revelation
02:44:32 of events at the end times
02:44:35 uh yeah I think more of has been
02:44:37 fulfilled and uh it is
02:44:42 a revelation of the character of Christ
02:44:45 and his eternal nature
02:44:50 yeah and where he stands where he stands
02:44:54 in relationships
02:44:57 The Book of Revelation
02:44:59 is revelation it is as John
02:45:01 characterized it the revelation of Jesus
02:45:04 Christ
02:45:07 yeah yeah just like the law teaches us
02:45:11 about
02:45:11 yeah
02:45:13 um so I agree with that
02:45:16 um
02:45:19 anyways maybe that’s a good way to end
02:45:22 um
02:45:23 but that there’s Yahweh right there and
02:45:25 yeah
02:45:27 um
02:45:29 I think there’s more deeper meaning into
02:45:31 it but we’re getting late enough it’s
02:45:33 probably a good time to stop but that’s
02:45:35 a nice little tidbit to chew on here we
02:45:39 go
02:45:40 um but there’s his name and he he’s
02:45:42 declaring who he is yeah it but the
02:45:47 thing is if you don’t learn the Hebrew
02:45:49 ways you’re going to read past that and
02:45:51 I think oh that’s nice
02:45:57 Declaration of who he is
02:46:00 yeah and then he takes the reason he
02:46:03 takes the time and so that each and
02:46:05 every person there can get the sure
02:46:07 witness of who he is
02:46:12 yeah
02:46:14 and so I
02:46:17 if I am around when the destruction
02:46:19 happens I’m gonna look forth to that
02:46:25 because if the book because one way
02:46:28 because one way or another if you’ve
02:46:31 been trying if you’ve done your best
02:46:33 to live the law and to come unto Christ
02:46:37 you’ll have that
02:46:39 yeah
02:46:42 um
02:46:43 and so I I’m not a big proponent of
02:46:46 focusing on Revelations because
02:46:52 there’s a lot of false interpretations
02:46:54 of prophecies
02:46:56 um I would say the majority of them are
02:46:58 that way
02:47:01 I do believe it’s it’s important to
02:47:05 try but don’t get so hung up on it but
02:47:09 the important thing is if you’re keeping
02:47:11 his law he will lead and guide you to do
02:47:14 what you need to do when these things
02:47:16 happen
02:47:17 yeah or if nothing else
02:47:21 as Daniel’s Brothers
02:47:24 uh I always have a hard time saying
02:47:26 their name
02:47:27 um
02:47:29 Shadrach meets yeah
02:47:31 whether if he protects us now or not
02:47:35 in the end or we’ll be in heaven with
02:47:37 him
02:47:38 right and that’s what matters and even
02:47:42 if you understand prophecy
02:47:44 but you don’t keep the Commandments
02:47:48 yeah Paul is in vain and then
02:47:51 and then well that’s words
02:47:54 Paul said Paul said Paul said it he just
02:47:58 instead of using the phrase
02:48:01 prophecy and understand all things but
02:48:03 if you have not charity which is keeping
02:48:06 the Commandments you are nothing
02:48:10 Paul said the same thing
02:48:13 Christ says the same thing in in
02:48:16 the sermon on the mountains but anyways
02:48:20 I I know people love
02:48:24 their prophecy
02:48:26 but I’ll be honest you’re until you
02:48:29 understand and keep the law
02:48:32 you’re not going to understand the
02:48:34 prophecies
02:48:36 so
02:48:38 you’re focusing on the wrong thing yeah
02:48:40 you’re putting the cart before the horse
02:48:43 uh and you’re trying to do calculus
02:48:45 before you know how to do addition yeah
02:48:49 basically
02:48:54 look at that
02:48:56 prophecy until you keep the law because
02:48:59 part of spirit of Prophecy is
02:49:03 Yahweh
02:49:04 yep
02:49:06 so anyways enough of that
02:49:09 all right well amen hallelujah
02:49:14 and I think that’s probably a good thing
02:49:15 to end on right
02:49:16 yep okay all right well take care guys
02:49:20 thanks for coming
02:49:21 um
02:49:22 and then
02:49:23 sure let me pause for one minute