Scripture Study 2024-09-01 Baptism for the Dead

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D&C 29:42 is against Baptism for the dead. Witchcraft has no power. Adam is symbolic for Yeshua. The closer you are to Yeshua, the more you will see Him in the scriptures. The Histories in how they are crafted teach YHWH’s Torah. Adam’s first death. Context shows there is no contradiction. JST moves daily in 1 Corinthians 15:31 to remove dying daily. People resist YHWH’s commandments to party. Joy while keeping Passover is great. Beats the worry from the worlds while not keeping Torah. We don’t need to know everything. Moses prayed when he didn’t know. Depart goes along with Sermon on Torah. Depart from Me because you don’t know Me in Torah. Matthew 7:21-23 is glories. False anointed are teachers who claim to have the holy spirit who don’t. Everyone came from Adam. Angels means messengers. Repentance is declaring right and wrong. Redemption is declaring Yeshua. Faith is trust in YHWH’s promises and diligence to His Torah. The gospel and commandment are about becoming like Yeshua. Flood narrative points back to the creation narrative. Noah is reboot. Trying figure out how long do we stay in the clouds during the second coming. 1st seal is the world wars before the coming of Zion. 2 Nephi 2:21 also teaches against Baptism for the dead. Adam and Eve brought sin into the world. YHWH is testing to see if we will do Torah. Exaltation is not in the scriptures connection to celestial glory. Psalm 12:8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted. Bible teaching against the natural man is proof it’s not from man. Exaltation can be any degree of glory. Eternal means forever, never ending. You can develop the character of Yeshua in one lifetime. No repenting after you die. Evil is anything that is against Torah. Light points to Torah. Wages is another way of saying reward. Baptism for the dead is against the scriptures. Alma states this life is time to prepare to meet God. Everyone, but Yeshua, has sinned. We don’t have to continue to sin, stop and repent. Transgression, sin, iniquity are used interchangeably in the scriptures. Law of Moses and Torah are two different things. Sentence equals law. Law of Moses is better translated as Law through Moses. Circumcision in about when children should be baptized and polygamy is wrong. Abraham repented. Yeshua’s genealogies of 3 sets of 14 is very Messianic. Yeshua came into the world because of sin.

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00:00:03 all right so today as a group we decided
00:00:06 to look at DNC
00:00:09 2940 through
00:00:11 45 um I was studying this a while back
00:00:14 ago I don’t remember how long but
00:00:18 anyways um and I came across this and I
00:00:21 saw how it teaches against baptisms for
00:00:24 the dead so now let’s go through this
00:00:28 and expound these scriptures together to
00:00:31 see how that’s the case Okay um so Josh
00:00:35 you Stephen yeah before we carry on
00:00:39 let’s also look at Alma chapter 40 after
00:00:42 we’re done with this section okay all
00:00:44 right so anyway continue okay uh Josh
00:00:48 are you willing to uh read verse 40
00:00:54 sure wherefore it came to pass that the
00:00:59 devil tempted Adam and he partook of the
00:01:02 forbidden fruit and transgressed the
00:01:05 Commandment wherein he became subject to
00:01:08 the will of the devil because he yielded
00:01:11 onto Temptation that’s an interesting
00:01:14 way of putting that that’s a valuable
00:01:17 lesson there’s a valuable lesson in that
00:01:19 verse we all the devil only has power in
00:01:23 as much as we let him have power over
00:01:27 us through our sinning yeah right are
00:01:30 sinning right right right and I will to
00:01:33 The Temptations right yes and to add to
00:01:36 that uh I will also say that all these
00:01:39 witches ceremonies that they think give
00:01:42 them power they actually don’t and the
00:01:45 things that they’re supposed to do are
00:01:47 actual sins and it’s making them subject
00:01:50 to Satan it’s sheer shinery yeah and and
00:01:55 because he’s putting them more in sin so
00:01:58 that way they’ll keep doing more of this
00:02:00 sinful to get more in his grasp he will
00:02:03 give them some things through his
00:02:04 influence of other through his other
00:02:08 followers yep but it’s not because of
00:02:11 the ceremony it’s because he’s trying to
00:02:13 the devil is tempting people into doing
00:02:16 more sinning well the the um the facts
00:02:19 of the matter are those who are in the
00:02:22 no um those who are in the no know that
00:02:26 there’s actually no power to the ritual
00:02:31 right right right but they don’t tell
00:02:34 those to the just starter uppers because
00:02:37 they want to put them into subjection to
00:02:39 say they don’t they don’t tell that to
00:02:41 the cosplayers
00:02:43 no oh yeah is that us oh anyways
00:02:48 um anyways uh no I I think the
00:02:51 cosplayers the people who are just
00:02:52 starting to get into it right yeah yes
00:02:55 yes I know I’m just because they’re just
00:02:57 kind of being I was being sarcastic
00:02:59 about
00:03:00 remark that was made on a post about
00:03:03 sure um so I do like how verse 40 brings
00:03:07 out how the problem was transgression
00:03:10 AKA sinned yeah transgressed the
00:03:15 Commandment yeah which is that’s sin yes
00:03:22 transgression um
00:03:24 jst does bring out how Adam had Torah
00:03:27 right yes yes brought out one example
00:03:31 out last time um so I can put a link to
00:03:34 um that but I think I think it’s also
00:03:37 interesting that at the very beginning
00:03:39 of the verse it says wherefore it came
00:03:41 to pass the devil tempted Adam now
00:03:44 people who read the Bible
00:03:47 right the devil tempts Eve Eve tempts
00:03:50 Adam but at the end of the day the
00:03:52 Temptation is still from the devil and
00:03:54 Adam still made his choice to subject
00:03:57 himself to the will of the Devil by
00:04:00 partaking of the Forbidden BR fruit and
00:04:02 transgressing the Commandment he had
00:04:04 received he made that choice yes now I I
00:04:09 I completely agree with you now I will
00:04:12 also say the way it’s worded brings out
00:04:15 deeper meaning okay Adam is a symbol of
00:04:20 Yeshua okay yeah and because the church
00:04:27 sinned Yeshua became came
00:04:30 sin so that way he could bring her the
00:04:34 church back to him yes oh yeah there
00:04:38 okay so I completely agree on the
00:04:41 literal level I also see deeper meaning
00:04:44 as I just kind of expounded there um
00:04:49 that’s pretty cool
00:04:50 actually um so I I know a lot of people
00:04:53 get into the down nitty-gritty of this
00:04:58 uh history
00:05:00 right but they’re looking at it from a
00:05:02 Greek point of view instead of a Hebrew
00:05:04 point of view
00:05:06 and they’re completely
00:05:08 different
00:05:13 and and I don’t I’m not going to say
00:05:15 this to be mean but just as an indicator
00:05:18 the closer you get to Yeshua the more
00:05:21 you’ll see how the scriptures point to
00:05:23 him
00:05:26 yes so I the more you will see the
00:05:30 scriptures as the revelation of his mind
00:05:33 and
00:05:35 will right
00:05:39 right it’s more than just a
00:05:42 pointer yeah because he he is these
00:05:45 stories the way that they are crafted or
00:05:48 histories and the way that they’re
00:05:50 crafted are teaching yahweh’s ways
00:05:54 yeah yep shall we continue to 41 yeah
00:06:00 yes um shall I read it so you want to
00:06:03 read it Matt yeah sure wherefore i y
00:06:08 Elohim caused that he should be cast out
00:06:12 from the Garden of Eden because he
00:06:14 transgressed the rule of being able to
00:06:17 stay there from my and not only that but
00:06:20 there’s other meanings as well from my
00:06:23 presence because of his
00:06:25 transgression oh because he sined he is
00:06:28 out of his presence he’s cast out of his
00:06:31 presence because no unclean thing can be
00:06:35 in the presence of God and live wherein
00:06:39 he became spiritually
00:06:43 Dead uh which is the first death even
00:06:47 that same death which is the last death
00:06:50 which is spiritual which shall be
00:06:52 pronounced upon the wicked when I shall
00:06:55 say depart ye cursed and that’s a point
00:06:58 to the day of the final day of judgment
00:07:02 yes it is so uh one thing I want to
00:07:05 bring out this uh first death okay
00:07:10 because normally in scriptures the
00:07:12 physical death is the first death and
00:07:14 the spiritual death is the
00:07:16 second
00:07:17 okay
00:07:19 um that is how it is with most people
00:07:22 because until the day we die we have the
00:07:26 opportunity to repent to report to fix
00:07:29 the spirit spiritual issues correct um
00:07:32 and so that is the first death and then
00:07:35 at the state that we are after that
00:07:38 death is the state that we’ll be in in
00:07:41 the
00:07:42 Resurrection The Last death right which
00:07:44 is the last death because if we’re not
00:07:48 uh haven’t repented and been
00:07:50 Sanctified because although there’s
00:07:53 three degrees of
00:07:55 Glory uh if you’re not if you don’t
00:07:57 receive the celestial Glory
00:08:00 you have died some right well and here’s
00:08:04 and here’s my and here’s my thing and
00:08:07 maybe I’m reading too much into this
00:08:10 where an he became spiritually dead
00:08:11 which is the first death so his the
00:08:14 first death right literally and I’m and
00:08:18 I’m just speaking literally right now
00:08:20 his first spiritual death literally was
00:08:22 when he sinned and said no and now you
00:08:26 can’t be in my presence right yes so
00:08:28 it’s talking about the literal first
00:08:31 death which is what you’re saying when
00:08:33 he s and I was starting to get there to
00:08:37 bring up the so I can see how some
00:08:40 people will try to use this to bring oh
00:08:42 see there’s a contradiction right it I
00:08:45 don’t see a contra but see while I’m
00:08:47 reading it I don’t see a contradiction
00:08:50 right right because of the context but
00:08:51 if you just look at the proof text
00:08:56 words there is a cont but if you take
00:08:58 the context there is not if you do the
00:09:01 typical brigite LDS thing where you just
00:09:04 take the parts of the verse that you
00:09:06 want to read and read them then yes I
00:09:08 could see how you might be might see a
00:09:10 contradiction here right right
00:09:13 right and that’s what I was just trying
00:09:15 to bring out it’s talking about the
00:09:17 actual literal very first death that
00:09:19 ever happened here on Earth right right
00:09:23 right right which which was the death
00:09:26 that Paul speaks of when he says I Die
00:09:28 daily
00:09:29 well uh FYI we can show this uh the jst
00:09:33 gets rid of
00:09:34 that okay so we we can look at that if
00:09:38 you want um no why
00:09:43 not uh so let’s Sidetrack on that real
00:09:46 quick so um I’m gonna pause because I
00:09:49 don’t have um everything ready so give
00:09:51 me one minute
00:09:55 sure okay so uh Ben since we’re doing
00:09:58 this Sidra for you are you willing to
00:10:01 read jst 1 Corinthians
00:10:05 15:31 okay all righty let’s
00:10:10 see okay I I
00:10:14 protest unto you the resurrection of the
00:10:17 dead and this is my rejoicing which I
00:10:21 have in Christ
00:10:23 Jesus daily though I
00:10:27 die yeah
00:10:30 so it sounds like that Joseph
00:10:34 Smith um moved daily back to where it
00:10:38 needs to be
00:10:41 yes um
00:10:44 the the the thing is is that the
00:10:46 resurrection is something that can cause
00:10:49 us all to rejoice and yet the reality of
00:10:52 the Resurrection is something that
00:10:53 allows us to rejoice in Yeshua daily um
00:10:58 and the we and that we and you
00:11:03 know I do think that Yeshua I do think
00:11:06 that um I do think the Yeshua wants us
00:11:08 to Rejoice yeah yeah he does uh in fact
00:11:12 he gives us Commandments to
00:11:14 party yeah and it’s funny that those are
00:11:17 the ones people resist the most yeah
00:11:19 those are the ones that everyone calls
00:11:21 legalism yeah uh well those are the ones
00:11:25 that Everyone likes to call
00:11:27 cosplay right cos we will have a legal
00:11:31 party we will have a legal
00:11:35 party well that’s fine that that makes
00:11:38 it all the much better because you don’t
00:11:40 have a remorse of conscience so exactly
00:11:42 because it’s
00:11:46 legal I don’t know how that’s a bad
00:11:48 thing to be honest why should we be
00:11:50 ashamed for keeping the
00:11:52 Commandments yeah shame on you wait you
00:11:55 know in first Nephi there’s a story
00:11:58 about people who gathered a great and
00:12:01 spacious building to mock those who keep
00:12:03 the Commandments oh yeah I think that’s
00:12:06 what people are doing I think that a lot
00:12:08 of people miss the point of
00:12:11 that well they think everybody else is
00:12:14 the one that’s mocking not themselves so
00:12:17 a lot of people do not see themselves in
00:12:18 the great and spacious building and the
00:12:20 point
00:12:21 is that um well for
00:12:25 myself I’m like there but for the grace
00:12:28 of God go I for I was there I did mock
00:12:31 people who thought that I used to mock
00:12:34 people who thought that you could
00:12:36 actually who thought
00:12:39 the the who thought about who taught
00:12:42 about keeping the Commandments I used to
00:12:43 do
00:12:45 that
00:12:47 sure so you’ve been on both sides of the
00:12:50 fence um which one is better B which
00:12:54 one’s better yeah it’s no it’s no
00:12:57 contest the Jo and the peace that I feel
00:13:00 on Passover every year as I know that I
00:13:05 am numbered among yelpus
00:13:09 people there’s just an
00:13:12 knowing that comes over
00:13:15 you when you’ve done it when you have
00:13:18 obeyed the when you have obeyed the law
00:13:20 when you have obeyed the law of the
00:13:22 Sabbath through the best of your
00:13:27 ability well there’s a knowing that
00:13:29 comes upon you that you are his people
00:13:33 yeah and with that comes a calm
00:13:37 Assurance it beats the heck out
00:13:41 of
00:13:43 um thinking you have to be right all the
00:13:46 time it sure certainly beats the heck
00:13:49 out of the worldly anxiety that you feel
00:13:51 on a daily basis if you are
00:13:53 not in accordance with the law well
00:13:58 right but that
00:14:00 my point uh my point is and I’m not
00:14:03 correcting you I’m just stating another
00:14:05 point my point is to
00:14:08 say
00:14:10 is knowing that you’re numbered among
00:14:13 yaha’s people
00:14:15 actually makes your burden
00:14:19 light because you don’t have to be right
00:14:22 all the time there’s this tremendous
00:14:24 fear in the world that if you’re not
00:14:28 right
00:14:29 you’re not
00:14:31 valid right um also with leaders they
00:14:34 think they have to do a perception that
00:14:36 they know everything rather they’re
00:14:37 admitting right they don’t know
00:14:39 something and saying let me go find out
00:14:41 which is interesting because when Moses
00:14:44 didn’t know
00:14:45 something he he was humble admitted it
00:14:48 and said let me pray to Yahweh to find
00:14:51 out
00:14:54 right
00:14:58 yeah good Sid trck so that’s a good Sid
00:15:01 trck now back to DNC 29 I think it was
00:15:08 okay so it was 29 yeah let me
00:15:12 go there we go happy Sidetrack yeah yeah
00:15:16 that was a good one right yeah so yeah
00:15:19 uh I think we sidetracked from 41 it was
00:15:23 41 Okay so
00:15:30 yeah we were talking about the the first
00:15:32 death and the last death and that yeah
00:15:34 yeah yeah so this last phrase right here
00:15:37 which shall be pronounced unto the
00:15:39 wicked when I shall say depart ye cursed
00:15:43 so that’s
00:15:44 Yeshua talking to people who are
00:15:47 continually sinning right and never
00:15:50 repenting yeah and also that goes
00:15:55 along with sermon on Torah
00:15:59 right yep
00:16:02 so Matthew
00:16:05 7 it absolutely does
00:16:11 open no okay so um Zach you want to just
00:16:17 read 21 through
00:16:20 23
00:16:23 right not everyone that sayith unto me y
00:16:27 Yi shall enter into the Kingdom of
00:16:30 Heaven he that doeth the will of the
00:16:33 Father which is in
00:16:35 heaven many he will say unto me in that
00:16:38 day Yahweh yeh have we not prophesied in
00:16:41 thy name and in thy name have cast out
00:16:44 devils and then thy name done many
00:16:47 wonderful
00:16:48 works and then while I profess unto them
00:16:51 I never knew you or you never knew me
00:16:54 part from me ye that work
00:16:57 iniquity yes so I will say real quick
00:17:00 there is a jst it changes I never knew
00:17:03 you to you never knew me um right uh
00:17:07 technically and that’s that is
00:17:10 absolutely valid for those who do not
00:17:11 keep the law for the law is the
00:17:13 revelation of his minded will if you do
00:17:16 not keep the law you don’t know him
00:17:18 correct um right
00:17:23 exactly
00:17:26 yep very nice
00:17:30 um so that goes right along with this
00:17:33 DNC right it sure does and they’re
00:17:38 cursed those who don’t get to see yes
00:17:42 Yeshua so just
00:17:44 FYI uh these oh where did it go oh yeah
00:17:49 21 uh is actually talking about testeral
00:17:54 people here and I can show this because
00:17:56 these are people that are acknowledging
00:17:58 that he is Yahweh the Messiah
00:18:01 okay
00:18:02 but um they’re still sinning so they
00:18:06 don’t get to see him so this goes along
00:18:09 what is stated in multiple places about
00:18:12 the different glories including the
00:18:14 parable of the ser and DNC 76 well I
00:18:18 think it’s I think it’s really
00:18:20 interesting that there is a little short
00:18:22 blurb right at the front that says not
00:18:24 everyone who says unto me Lord Lord will
00:18:26 enter into the kingdom of heaven and
00:18:28 then there’s the word
00:18:30 and which is a which is
00:18:37 now which is we’re moving on to a
00:18:39 different topic now these are the people
00:18:41 who are in the kingdom of heaven and
00:18:42 some of them will be told to get out of
00:18:44 his presence right uh good point there
00:18:48 because I I’ve so I’ve been mainly
00:18:51 focused on
00:18:52 the uh 22 portion of that right and and
00:18:56 Ben does bring out a good part in the
00:18:58 one how he he’s that saith onto me right
00:19:03 and not enter the kingdom those are
00:19:05 going to be the sons of preditions where
00:19:07 this it goes along with false preachers
00:19:11 and also right um false anointed ones I
00:19:16 said it that way on purpose instead of
00:19:17 false
00:19:20 christs it’s false anointed ones
00:19:22 anointed ones who are those who claim to
00:19:25 be Anointed with the
00:19:27 spirit uh right
00:19:30 and
00:19:32 not right right so the separator word is
00:19:36 but in that verse not and correct um so
00:19:41 that’s a good point there Ben that you
00:19:42 bring out there yeah but that’s still
00:19:45 it’s still a subject change oh no I I
00:19:48 get it I’m just I’m just saying the
00:19:50 separate I’m just stating okay the
00:19:53 correction important distinction right
00:19:57 it’s yeah of the day it’s just a a a
00:20:00 slight subject change and not only that
00:20:03 I’m just saying that some people who
00:20:05 listen to this recording and watch it
00:20:07 will say but it says but you know and
00:20:10 those are the really nitpicky people so
00:20:12 I just want to acknowledge for the
00:20:13 nitpicky people that we do acknowledge
00:20:17 that the word is but not and okay there
00:20:20 you go but who that doeth Torah will get
00:20:24 in the Kingdom of Heaven yes right right
00:20:26 to some very respect depending what
00:20:30 Glory you get because here 22 is where
00:20:33 it’s talking about
00:20:34 testro
00:20:36 yep um criticize so let’s go
00:20:41 back uh so that I think that that was uh
00:20:45 verse 41 so yep uh I’ll read
00:20:50 42 uh which actually happens to be the
00:20:53 key one anyways that was on accident but
00:20:57 this is the one that really stuck out to
00:20:58 to me okay that’s against baptisms for
00:21:01 the Dead uh but behold I say unto you
00:21:05 that I Yahweh Elohim gave unto Adam and
00:21:10 not just Adam right and unto his seed
00:21:15 which is
00:21:17 everybody yeah every human being came
00:21:20 from Adam and Eve
00:21:22 okay there is even uh
00:21:26 mreal Eve I I think I said that
00:21:31 right
00:21:33 mitochondrial yeah mitochondrial E I
00:21:36 said it wrong anyways there’s
00:21:38 mitochondrial DNA yeah yeah as in the
00:21:41 DNA Eve right right right okay so they
00:21:45 even see that in DNA okay right right
00:21:49 that they should not die as to the
00:21:52 temporal death okay so that’s not saying
00:21:55 you’re never going to die because then
00:21:57 there here’s this key word until I
00:21:59 Yahweh Elohim should send forth Angels
00:22:03 which is an a way of saying
00:22:06 Messengers y um if you’re if you think
00:22:09 Angels means people with denisons of
00:22:12 heaven with
00:22:13 wings uh you’ve been studying too much
00:22:16 Catholic
00:22:19 dogma yeah maybe um so you got to take
00:22:23 context into account but in this case it
00:22:25 is going to be Messengers which goes
00:22:28 along with with many other scriptures
00:22:30 from the jst and the Book of Mormon
00:22:33 right uh that they should those
00:22:35 Messengers are declaring repentance and
00:22:37 Redemption right which the only way that
00:22:40 they declare repentance is if they know
00:22:44 what is right and
00:22:46 wrong right because that’s part of
00:22:48 declaring repentance it’s declaring what
00:22:49 is right or wrong
00:22:52 right uh and Redemption oh Redemption is
00:22:57 through yes the
00:22:59 Messiah
00:23:01 yes and only through right Yeshua the
00:23:09 Messiah so uh through faith trust and
00:23:13 diligence on the character oh name but
00:23:16 name is character of mine only begotten
00:23:19 son Yeshua the Messiah yep no I you mean
00:23:25 it’s not about waving it name name
00:23:27 around like a talisman
00:23:29 uh no it’s not um oh
00:23:32 man I guess stop saying Jesus so often
00:23:36 yeah it’s not a Talisman it’s the
00:23:40 yeshua’s gospel is about
00:23:42 becoming uh which is what the
00:23:46 Commandments are about
00:23:49 right
00:23:52 yep this right here but this right here
00:23:56 I can see how it goes against baptisms
00:23:59 for the dead right because it’s not just
00:24:02 Adam he gave it to but unto his
00:24:05 seed I I I don’t know about you but I am
00:24:08 from Adam yeah I’m I’m pretty sure we
00:24:11 all are unless yeah we all are in fact
00:24:14 the Book of Mormon makes that even more
00:24:16 clear that everybody is a descendant of
00:24:18 Adam in fact I’ll even go a little
00:24:20 further everybody is a descendant of
00:24:25 Noah yeah that’s a today right
00:24:30 right
00:24:32 yeah because of the flood yeah
00:24:36 absolutely um in fact just a little
00:24:38 tidbit the the flood narrative really
00:24:42 points back to the creation
00:24:46 narrative yes it does
00:24:48 actually
00:24:50 yeah
00:24:52 wow well it’s because it’s he’s creating
00:24:54 and he’s redoing it in a s St over right
00:24:59 it’s a reboot it’s a hard reboot yeah
00:25:01 it’s a reboot yeah I’m gonna put that in
00:25:05 the notes Noah is a
00:25:08 reboot that’s a cool way of saying it
00:25:11 saying it but it was a hard reboot I
00:25:13 mean he he literally said turn it
00:25:16 off okay now turn it back
00:25:19 on yeah so um so along these lines okay
00:25:25 here’s a little tidbit that I’m trying
00:25:27 to figure out and I don’t know the
00:25:29 answer so um but
00:25:33 I Noah’s flood they were in the water
00:25:37 raised from the
00:25:39 land for an good
00:25:44 period so there’s one thing I’m trying
00:25:47 to figure out I mean it’s not a major
00:25:50 thing how long are we gonna stay in the
00:25:55 clouds I don’t know
00:25:59 but if the history of Noah is any
00:26:02 indication we might be up there for a
00:26:04 while because some of the um punishments
00:26:07 to the wicked who stay down on Earth
00:26:10 plagues yeah the plagues could last a
00:26:13 bit it could well the yeah I’ve I have
00:26:18 as I’ve read the book of Revelation it’s
00:26:20 hard for me to imagine all of that
00:26:22 happening uh like that yeah in a day
00:26:26 well so like we we
00:26:28 as we were studying some stuff about the
00:26:32 uh
00:26:37 um the curses with Moses and other thing
00:26:43 oh no this was Isaiah 27 study sorry um
00:26:47 which I got a little confused my bad um
00:26:51 uh on kind of figuring that out some
00:26:54 more it uh the seal four is in Isaiah
00:27:02 27 right yes that’s the 144 going out
00:27:06 and Mining strong one getting killed
00:27:09 right and the martyrs which are part of
00:27:10 the 144 and then the fifth seal is the
00:27:15 fire and brimstone and everything goes
00:27:17 along with that y so if that is the case
00:27:21 that means seals one through
00:27:24 three are before that and what I know
00:27:26 about the second coming and Zion and in
00:27:29 the world world wars and all that it
00:27:32 makes
00:27:34 sense yeah it it all fits yeah yeah so
00:27:38 the first seal is the Antichrist and all
00:27:41 the beginning of all the wars that
00:27:43 happens just before Zion comes right
00:27:50 yeah pretty exciting times uh I yeah I’m
00:27:55 not looking forward to it ex fighting is
00:27:59 a euphemism maybe yeah yeah I
00:28:05 know yes uh so I I I do agree that all
00:28:09 the seals are not happening while we’re
00:28:12 up there and they take a while right
00:28:14 because the first de starts at the seven
00:28:16 years or a little before the seven years
00:28:19 right something those lines
00:28:22 yeah which goes along with the latest
00:28:25 Olympics doing that horse
00:28:29 the pale yeah yeah or white well
00:28:33 whatever sorry and then the fifth is
00:28:35 that the end of the seven years so right
00:28:39 that’s seven plus years right yeah for
00:28:43 those five um and I don’t have the
00:28:47 others memorized off top my head we’d
00:28:49 have to go look but anyways yes they’re
00:28:51 gonna take a while right
00:28:54 yeah but the main point is Noah was
00:28:58 above the ground for a
00:29:00 while I wonder if that’s an indication
00:29:04 that we’re going to be in the clouds for
00:29:06 a while I don’t have a good answer yet
00:29:08 it wouldn’t it would not surprise me
00:29:11 right
00:29:14 but I and if things and if things get as
00:29:18 and and and when things get as bad as
00:29:20 they’re prophesied to get that might be
00:29:23 a
00:29:24 blessing yes it would be because uh is
00:29:28 to if we are up in the clouds it’s to
00:29:31 make it so we’re not down with all those
00:29:33 destructions and curses so but I think
00:29:36 Ben wanted to say something
00:29:39 uh I forgot okay all right all right
00:29:43 that’s fine um oh Matt’s still here Matt
00:29:46 you want to read verse 43 unless anybody
00:29:48 wants to say any more on
00:29:50 42 no not really let’s go to verse 43 I
00:29:53 think we hased that one out yeah yeah
00:29:55 the main thing 42 goes against baptisms
00:29:59 for the dead because it’s
00:30:00 saying that everybody will get to know
00:30:04 about repentance and their savior you
00:30:07 won’t die as to the temporal death until
00:30:11 you have learned these things so
00:30:14 actually let’s do this I’m going to
00:30:15 Sidetrack us uh one I know off top of my
00:30:18 head is in second Nephi 2 I don’t
00:30:21 remember exactly which one so I’m going
00:30:22 to pause so we find the exact one but
00:30:25 the same thing
00:30:28 so I found the verse it’s second ephi
00:30:31 2:21 uh Zach are you willing to read
00:30:36 that
00:30:40 Y and the days of the children of men
00:30:42 were PR
00:30:44 prolonged according to the will of all
00:30:47 that they might repent dwell in the
00:30:49 flesh wherefor their St wait wait a
00:30:52 minute
00:30:54 so the children of men days were
00:30:56 prolonged meaning
00:30:58 Yahweh made sure
00:31:01 men had enough time
00:31:05 right to repent which means they know
00:31:09 what is right and
00:31:11 wrong and repenting
00:31:13 actually if there was not a savior
00:31:17 there’s no reason to repent because
00:31:19 pointless so this though it’s not saying
00:31:22 it as well as the DNC right now it is
00:31:26 implied in that word repent right right
00:31:29 that the savior’s there while in the
00:31:31 flesh as in aka before they physically
00:31:35 died right no baptisms for the dead
00:31:40 sorry Church of Jesus Christ Saints at
00:31:45 CH so uh well let’s let Zach finish the
00:31:49 uh
00:31:50 verse so maybe start here Zack with
00:31:53 wherefore that’s where I was wherefore
00:31:56 wherefore their state became was day of
00:31:58 probation their time was lengthened
00:32:01 according to the Commandments which
00:32:03 which Yahweh Alim gave unto the children
00:32:06 of man okay wait wait right there so
00:32:09 what are the Commandments that Yahweh
00:32:11 gave us Torah actually they haven’t
00:32:14 changed and
00:32:17 that’s what what they became a probation
00:32:19 of to see if they’re going to keep
00:32:21 yahweh’s Commandments which also goes
00:32:24 with Moses 3 something I see if they’ll
00:32:26 do whatsoever the Lord God commands them
00:32:29 yeah mhm anyways sorry Zach go
00:32:32 ahead where you gave commandment all men
00:32:35 must repent wait who needs to
00:32:39 repent everyone all man yeah
00:32:42 okay and women no yeah because this is
00:32:46 inclusive this is not
00:32:49 anyways this is not the Greek thing
00:32:51 where we have to se where we have to
00:32:53 make delineations well no that that’s
00:32:56 not even Greek that is modern
00:32:59 idsy yes that is Greek will have the
00:33:03 masculine to include both oh right all
00:33:06 languages do actually it’s this modern
00:33:08 idiocy and politically correct stuff
00:33:11 that’s doing that anyways politically
00:33:13 correct garbage yeah okay so go go on
00:33:17 Zach for he showed unto all men that
00:33:20 they were lost because of trans
00:33:24 transgression of their parents so it it
00:33:28 this is bringing out because Adam and
00:33:30 Eve sinned yep it brought sin in the
00:33:33 world and that’s why we’re lost okay
00:33:36 it’s not saying Adam and Eve are
00:33:38 horrible it’s just saying
00:33:40 that Adam and Eve brought sin into the
00:33:43 world
00:33:44 right right uh through their
00:33:49 transgression
00:33:53 right so uh I do think that’s enough of
00:33:56 here because I we could go on but that’s
00:33:59 sidetracking so I let’s go back to
00:34:03 DNC yep um so I think
00:34:07 though uh what verse are we on I forget
00:34:10 I’m sorry I think we’re uh getting ready
00:34:12 to start verse
00:34:14 43 okay yeah are you willing to read
00:34:16 that Josh
00:34:19 sure and thus did
00:34:22 I Yahweh Elohim appoint unto man the
00:34:26 days of his probation
00:34:29 that by his natural death he might be
00:34:32 raised in
00:34:33 immortality onto eternal life even as
00:34:38 many as would
00:34:41 believe yeah uh so you want to say
00:34:45 something um no it just I mean it’s
00:34:49 pretty clear what that verse is saying
00:34:52 um you know he he it’s probationary
00:34:56 State what and a probation is a testing
00:35:00 time right right right and you can only
00:35:04 be tested what do he testing and what is
00:35:06 he testing he’s testing us to see if we
00:35:11 will do all things AKA
00:35:15 Torah that he has commanded
00:35:19 us correct which is
00:35:22 Torah and if we do we shall be raised to
00:35:26 immortality and eternal life which is
00:35:29 what my goal is and yeah the DNC uh I
00:35:33 can show some scriptures if we want to
00:35:35 Sid track on this but the DNC equates
00:35:38 sanctification with eternal life AKA
00:35:41 Celestial
00:35:43 Glory it goes it has many
00:35:46 terms um one thing it’s interesting
00:35:49 though um there is nowhere in the
00:35:53 scriptures that I know of and we can
00:35:54 double check me live that it
00:35:58 exaltation that is a brigite term trying
00:36:00 to bring ecult into
00:36:04 Doctrine so let’s let’s test me so I’m
00:36:07 gonna pause
00:36:10 okay okay so I opened up my uh one of my
00:36:14 scripture search programs I’ve made a
00:36:16 few this is a desktop version um but you
00:36:18 can go download it on my
00:36:22 um web
00:36:25 blog uh because it’s there anyways um
00:36:29 we’re going to search for exaltation and
00:36:32 I’m just going to make it lower e just
00:36:34 because it looks better not that it
00:36:35 matters um anyways here we
00:36:40 go well
00:36:42 there’s um okay so I’m going to put
00:36:47 exalt
00:36:50 okay
00:36:52 um there
00:36:55 okay exalt us this thyself against my
00:36:58 people oh that doesn’t look good no the
00:37:00 Lord is my strength and song and he is
00:37:02 my salvation he is my Elohim I prepare
00:37:05 him a habitation my father exalt him and
00:37:09 I will exalt
00:37:11 him as in giving him praise right
00:37:15 right let’s see if there’s any about us
00:37:18 being
00:37:19 exalted there’s only one save only one
00:37:23 it’s all talking everything that I’m
00:37:25 skimming through right now refers to
00:37:29 ref refers to Yahweh Elohim yeshu in
00:37:33 scripture there’s even a verse of
00:37:35 scripture that there that states say
00:37:37 there shall only one save only one be
00:37:41 exalted in that day and that is Yeshua
00:37:44 or
00:37:47 yaha do you remember which verse H not
00:37:51 off the top of my head oh here here’s
00:37:53 one that I just see right here um Psalms
00:37:56 128
00:37:58 the wicked walk on every side when the
00:38:01 viest men are exalted that doesn’t that
00:38:06 doesn’t sound like that is basically
00:38:09 talking about the state of the wicked
00:38:13 the wicked judgments of the
00:38:15 world um and a reason why they’re
00:38:18 getting
00:38:19 punished what you’re trying to say Zach
00:38:22 can we look up the word like to find the
00:38:25 word
00:38:28 the dictionary yeah like in the 1828 one
00:38:31 oh sure sure we can do that we’ll do
00:38:33 look up exalt so let’s look at the DNC
00:38:35 one because there’s not too many there
00:38:36 because it would take a while to look at
00:38:37 all of these right but yeah regard to
00:38:40 what we’re bringing up I I do think the
00:38:41 DNC would ones would be a good ones to
00:38:44 look at behold I say unto him he
00:38:45 exalteth himself and do not hble himself
00:38:48 sufficient before me that’s negative
00:38:51 that’s negative but if he will bow down
00:38:54 anyways we could that’s negative that’s
00:38:55 not positive and that which I have
00:38:58 promised I have so fulfilled and the
00:39:00 nations of the Earth shall bow down to
00:39:03 it and if not of themselves they shall
00:39:06 come down for that is now exalted of
00:39:10 itself shall be laid low of power that’s
00:39:14 negative
00:39:16 y uh 49:23 wherefore be not deceived but
00:39:21 continue in steadfastness looking forth
00:39:24 for the heathens to be shaken and the
00:39:26 Earth to tremble
00:39:28 to reel to and fro as a drunken man for
00:39:32 The Valleys to be exalted okay so this
00:39:35 is talking about the second coming and
00:39:37 not and what’s happening to the Earth
00:39:39 and not a person so that doesn’t really
00:39:42 apply and now behold verily I say unto
00:39:45 you I Yahweh am not pleased with my
00:39:47 servant signy rign and he exalted his
00:39:50 himself oh that’s negative okay yep
00:39:54 10142 he that exalts himself be a based
00:39:58 well that’s definitely negative mhm uh
00:40:01 10416 but it must needs be done in mine
00:40:04 Own Way behold this is the way that I
00:40:06 Yahweh have decreed to provide my saints
00:40:09 that the poor shall be exalted in that
00:40:11 rich or made low so this is talking
00:40:13 about temporal Provisions not yep uh
00:40:17 eternity right yep
00:40:20 exactly um uh 1123 nevertheless in as
00:40:24 much as thou Hast abased thyself Thou
00:40:26 shalt be exalted therefore all thy sins
00:40:29 are forgiven the okay so that one’s a
00:40:31 positive right but it’s a positive with
00:40:34 a condition attach to it in as much as
00:40:39 thou H abased thyself correct um I
00:40:43 looked up the
00:40:45 words I put the link in
00:40:49 chat I’ll get those in just a minute um
00:40:52 so that one is a positive but that’s
00:40:55 more of a general principle than than
00:40:58 talking about a particular Kingdom right
00:41:00 right right or
00:41:02 Glory right uh so
00:41:06 1128 and by Thy word many high on shall
00:41:10 be brought low and by the word many low
00:41:12 ones shall be exalt so that’s going
00:41:14 along with the uh verse three that we
00:41:16 just read oh wait and it’s the word
00:41:19 Torah anyway
00:41:21 sorry okay so 12:15 or 11 1215 exalt not
00:41:30 yourself yeah yeah so that’s a negative
00:41:33 thing right yes this is something that
00:41:36 Yahweh
00:41:37 does um or you you do to others right
00:41:42 right and particularly the poor so 121
00:41:45 and then if thou endureth it well Elohim
00:41:48 shall exalt thee on high Thou shalt
00:41:50 triumph over again again that’s
00:41:52 something that he does we don’t exalt
00:41:56 anything and and this
00:41:58 is this is applied as a general
00:42:01 principle not to a particular Kingdom
00:42:03 right
00:42:04 correct so there’s nothing
00:42:08 principle uh in the scriptures that we
00:42:10 saw that goes along with exaltation
00:42:13 being
00:42:14 Celestial
00:42:18 right or that there is any way that we
00:42:21 Merit well technically the only way that
00:42:25 we Merit exaltation is by hum ourselves
00:42:27 and living according to the
00:42:29 word as stated in one of those
00:42:32 verses yeah the positive
00:42:36 refrains with conditions that’s what it
00:42:40 states so let’s look at the oh go sorry
00:42:44 go ahead I it’s all based on your
00:42:46 obedience to the word and humbling
00:42:50 yourself so having a broken heart and a
00:42:53 contrite spirit oh wa which are terms
00:42:57 meaning repenting right rep how wease
00:43:04 ourselves yeah so let’s read there’s not
00:43:08 a single toric principle that actually
00:43:10 honors the natural man yeah no there’s
00:43:13 not in fact along those lines I’ve come
00:43:17 across and in general I think it’s a
00:43:19 good statement but it’s you know it’s
00:43:21 not
00:43:22 like uh completely true
00:43:25 but uh it’s a rule of thumb that
00:43:29 uh the fact that the Bible’s talking
00:43:32 against our natural tendencies is proof
00:43:35 that it’s not from man right
00:43:39 right yeah so Zach are you willing to
00:43:42 read this uh exaltation 1828 dictionary
00:43:48 definition and now exaltation and now
00:43:51 the active raising High number one
00:43:55 elevation to power off rank dignity or
00:43:58 Excellence two elevated
00:44:01 state state of greatness or
00:44:06 dignity three in Pharmacy the refinement
00:44:10 or
00:44:14 cation of bodies or their qualities and
00:44:17 virtues or the increase of their
00:44:19 strength in
00:44:21 astrology the Dignity of a planet in
00:44:24 which its powers are increased
00:44:27 okay so uh with some of this stuff this
00:44:31 could go along with any degree of Glory
00:44:33 right right yeah because um uh the the
00:44:39 way that Joseph Miss describes even the
00:44:41 lowest degree uh
00:44:44 testrol could go with everything is
00:44:46 stated there right yes
00:44:51 right so uh Zack let’s go are you
00:44:54 willing to read exalt now yep
00:44:59 think is all the verb
00:45:01 transitive
00:45:05 um number one to raise High to
00:45:08 elevate two to elevate in power wealth
00:45:11 rank or dignity as to exalt one to a to
00:45:15 a throne to the chief
00:45:18 majestry majestry to a bishop
00:45:22 brick to elevate with Joy or confidence
00:45:25 as to be exalted with success with
00:45:27 success or Victory hey one of the verses
00:45:30 was doing that in the I
00:45:33 think one of the verses we read it was
00:45:36 doing that
00:45:39 okay to four to raise with pride to make
00:45:43 undue pretensions to power rank or
00:45:47 estimation to elevate too high or above
00:45:52 others a lot of those verses were that
00:45:55 yeah five to elevate in estimation and
00:45:59 praise to magnify to praise to
00:46:02 extol six to to raise as as the voice to
00:46:07 raise an opp
00:46:10 opposition seven to elevate indiction or
00:46:14 sentiment make Sublime as exalted
00:46:18 strains eight in physics to elevate to
00:46:21 purify
00:46:22 to subl to did you say that word subze
00:46:28 subze what does that
00:46:32 mean what is
00:46:34 sub
00:46:36 subze but yeah okay you don’t know
00:46:38 anyways all right I don’t want to
00:46:40 Sidetrack on that anyways we fine refine
00:46:44 as to exalt the juices or the qualities
00:46:47 of bodies so the stuff that’s imp
00:46:51 positive here right that can go with any
00:46:53 degree of Glory yep again so
00:46:57 but the brigam mites or LDS likes to
00:47:00 apply it to the celestial glory and
00:47:02 there’s nothing in the scriptures that I
00:47:04 would say that really justifies that
00:47:06 right right right right yeah scriptures
00:47:10 speak of justification and
00:47:12 sanctification they don’t speak of
00:47:14 exaltation correct at least not in a not
00:47:18 in generally a positive light well and
00:47:20 then also the the although we found
00:47:23 exalt in the scriptures which we went
00:47:26 over some of them there’s nothing that
00:47:27 says
00:47:29 exaltation no it came up a big fat goose
00:47:33 egg correct it was just
00:47:37 exalt
00:47:39 yeah um okay so I think that was a
00:47:43 Sidetrack from 43 43 yes that was a
00:47:47 Sidetrack from 43 yes uh Ben are you
00:47:50 willing to come read
00:47:52 44 absolutely
00:47:57 you’re gonna have take seat okay uh well
00:48:02 well could you move the table I could do
00:48:04 that we’ll a moment sorry
00:48:08 guys stick a fork on me I’m
00:48:13 done
00:48:16 okay and they that believe not this is
00:48:19 ver starting in verse four we’re going
00:48:21 on with verse 44 here they that believe
00:48:25 not so these are the who are not
00:48:27 Believers unto Eternal damnation oh wait
00:48:30 wait wait what does Eternal mean um that
00:48:34 means God’s that just means God’s
00:48:36 damnation it doesn’t mean that it’s
00:48:38 forever um yeah sure you got you got
00:48:42 multiple mortal probations right so
00:48:45 you’ll get right eventually no actually
00:48:47 wait but it says Eternal dnation yeah it
00:48:51 there’s only one guess what guys you can
00:48:55 develop the character in one Lifetime
00:48:58 right as this uh we showed multiple
00:49:02 verses that actually says that quite
00:49:04 clearly right right you can develop the
00:49:08 character in one lifetime so but that’s
00:49:12 if you believe you can only do that if
00:49:14 you believe right and if you don’t
00:49:17 believe you’ll come with excuses which
00:49:19 is what they do and then you will end up
00:49:21 in Eternal damnation for they cannot be
00:49:24 uh they cannot be redeemed from their
00:49:26 spiritual fall because they repent not
00:49:30 yep because they don’t believe because
00:49:32 they don’t believe right and there’s no
00:49:34 repenting after you die evidence of your
00:49:36 lack of belief is that you do not turn
00:49:39 to yah and his ways that is the that is
00:49:43 your evidence of your lack of faith and
00:49:46 so when you teach that the law is no
00:49:50 longer applicable to us all you are
00:49:52 doing is showing your lack of faith and
00:49:56 your showing why you haven’t done a
00:49:58 miracle in donus
00:50:02 [Music]
00:50:03 years yeah I agree with that and I will
00:50:07 put links in the notes with other
00:50:10 recordings we’ve done against baptisms
00:50:13 for the dead that’s in the Book of
00:50:14 Mormon and the DNC
00:50:16 right and the Book of Moses and stuff so
00:50:20 anyways
00:50:24 yeah uh okay okay so I I think we can go
00:50:28 on because I interrupted I think I I I
00:50:32 think I did a pretty thorough treatment
00:50:33 of the verse 44 yeah pretty much yeah
00:50:36 yeah okay all right so uh Josh are we
00:50:40 you willing to read verse 45
00:50:44 sure for they and we’re referring back
00:50:47 to the ones who do not believe uh for
00:50:50 they love Darkness rather than light and
00:50:54 their deeds are evil
00:50:57 and they receive their wages of whom
00:51:01 they list to obey yeah know what God’s
00:51:05 definition of evil is does do people
00:51:09 people don’t a lot of people don’t know
00:51:11 what God’s definition of evil is God’s
00:51:12 definition of evil is anything that is
00:51:14 not Torah anything that anything that he
00:51:16 hates or anything that does not please
00:51:19 him that is
00:51:21 evil correct right and to go along with
00:51:24 that light is a a phrase that points to
00:51:30 Torah
00:51:32 right uh which completely goes along
00:51:35 with that teaching of what evil is right
00:51:41 right uh and uh if you uh decide to
00:51:45 follow Satan you will get your rewards
00:51:47 from
00:51:49 Satan uh instead of
00:51:52 Yahweh because your
00:51:54 wages that’s that’s your reward your
00:51:56 wages is your
00:51:58 reward going back to the parable of the
00:52:02 worker right yeah which which ALS which
00:52:06 means uh which means that you could end
00:52:09 up in someplace very very
00:52:11 hot uh on the rack you over there on the
00:52:15 rack quit hollering yeah yeah can you
00:52:18 hear me over there on the
00:52:20 rack well if you’d stop screaming you
00:52:24 might as in going towards a skit right
00:52:29 yeah old Toby H
00:52:33 anyways so um do you guys want to name
00:52:37 this skit and then we could maybe put a
00:52:39 link to it so people can see what we’re
00:52:41 laughing about oh yeah let’s
00:52:45 um oh okay so let’s pause let’s I’ll
00:52:49 have you go find it and then we’ll give
00:52:50 the
00:52:53 link okay so the the skit that we were
00:52:56 doing the the uh line we were doing was
00:52:59 from a skit called Welcome to Hell by uh
00:53:02 ran Atkinson the link is in the uh the
00:53:07 Link’s in the comment section so uh I I
00:53:12 find this I find this uh I find this
00:53:14 short to be really hilarious uh yeah
00:53:16 it’s in fact after we’re done we’re
00:53:18 going to watch it I do encourage people
00:53:20 to watch it it is funny it’s a little
00:53:23 Blasphemous but it is funny
00:53:27 any um so um I do think uh as we’ve gone
00:53:33 through this as we focused on DNC 29
00:53:37 with some sidetracks as we normally do
00:53:39 but verse 42 really brings out
00:53:44 how the reasoning that people give for
00:53:48 baptisms for the dead is invalid
00:53:51 according to the scriptures and it’s
00:53:53 oops it’s all throughout the scriptures
00:53:56 this is just another incident of it um
00:54:00 yeah and pretty soon I will make a
00:54:02 resource page of the various recordings
00:54:04 I have on the subject um and other
00:54:07 things that I hopefully will well I mean
00:54:10 the funny thing the funny thing is that
00:54:12 keep showing up in the scriptures how
00:54:13 this is an invalid principle new new new
00:54:16 references keep showing up so yeah well
00:54:20 the the thing is when you’re when you
00:54:22 know the
00:54:23 truth really know the truth you’ll find
00:54:26 T the scriptures to support it as you
00:54:28 continue to read and but I think one of
00:54:31 the
00:54:32 greatest U detractors from the principle
00:54:35 of of or the brigite LDS principle of
00:54:40 baptisms for the dead I mean is one of
00:54:43 the greatest teachers ever to walk to
00:54:46 the face of the Earth in the Book of
00:54:47 Mormon Almo where he says this life this
00:54:52 life is the time for men to prepare to
00:54:55 meet God
00:54:57 yes yeah it’s this life as in life not
00:55:01 death right or after this life or
00:55:05 what and not that it not that it really
00:55:08 changes anything because AMU was a great
00:55:10 teacher too but that that that speech is
00:55:13 given by amulet but still was it given
00:55:16 by amulet yeah it was okay all right but
00:55:20 he’s also a great teacher so he is the
00:55:23 he is the Aon he is the eron to elma’s
00:55:26 most
00:55:28 yeah right right so they’re both pretty
00:55:31 good
00:55:33 so both they both said true things so
00:55:36 yeah yeah yeah although Moses made some
00:55:40 mistakes who hasn’t besides
00:55:43 Yeshua amulet made mistakes too amulet
00:55:47 what a Vengeance on the people that were
00:55:48 killing all the righteous people well
00:55:51 the that’s one of the things that I
00:55:53 always point out to people um when they
00:55:56 start complaining about how somebody’s
00:55:59 miscarried
00:56:01 Justice I always ask them have you
00:56:03 always perfectly carried out
00:56:06 Justice right um but that’s
00:56:10 different yeah well
00:56:12 [Laughter]
00:56:15 no uh has every has every ruling that
00:56:18 you handed down been perfect in its
00:56:22 intent and in its
00:56:24 execution no
00:56:26 I know the answer uh for me it’s no yeah
00:56:30 absolutely not yeah right we we all we
00:56:35 have all we we have all sinned and fall
00:56:38 fallen short of the glory of God now we
00:56:40 do not have to continue sinning No in
00:56:44 fact it is in fact it’s highly
00:56:46 recommended that
00:56:47 um well if you have been sinning stop
00:56:53 repent repent
00:56:56 right turn away from your evil Deeds yes
00:56:59 I will call them evil I will not
00:57:00 differentiate between wicked and
00:57:03 evil tomato
00:57:05 tomato right uh nor will I differentiate
00:57:09 between sin iniquity and transgression
00:57:11 yeah because they’re all you go look at
00:57:13 those words in the scriptures they’re
00:57:14 all used
00:57:16 interchangeably
00:57:19 right so it’s uh you know if you want to
00:57:24 create some kind of imaginary
00:57:26 um if it helps you feel better about
00:57:29 your about your about your uncovered
00:57:32 life to develop some kind of
00:57:34 imaginary um delineation between
00:57:38 [Music]
00:57:39 them I would still suggest that you’re
00:57:42 not do
00:57:43 that and you’re only gonna hurt
00:57:46 yourself
00:57:50 delineation right I I would still
00:57:53 suggest that you not do that because
00:57:55 you’re just
00:57:56 all you’re doing is cutting yourself off
00:57:58 from the covering that you could
00:58:01 have the freedom that you could
00:58:05 have you know I I this is the thing that
00:58:11 um I just don’t
00:58:15 understand
00:58:17 why
00:58:19 people
00:58:22 um how people fail to
00:58:25 see I mean now I fa I don’t under I I
00:58:28 mean but I can understand it because I
00:58:30 was there I didn’t see the need to obey
00:58:35 Torah right um but that’s largely
00:58:39 because that’s what I was taught yeah I
00:58:42 I I never looked into Torah because the
00:58:44 church I grew up in and pretty much
00:58:47 every Church actually C point I I was of
00:58:50 the opinion that Torah was the law of
00:58:53 Moses yeah yeah law of Moses and Torah
00:58:55 are two different things and that is a
00:58:58 big a lot of people I have learned this
00:59:01 well yes the knowing that law of Moses
00:59:05 and Torah are two different things is
00:59:07 what allows the scriptures to actually
00:59:10 make sense and not be working against
00:59:13 each other right
00:59:16 correct
00:59:17 y it also helps it also helps to look at
00:59:22 the law of Moses as not as more of a
00:59:25 punishment
00:59:27 well the way I look at it that my and I
00:59:30 do realize that my mind doesn’t work
00:59:32 exactly the same way everybody else is
00:59:35 does granted because uh you know even
00:59:39 even you know Stephen understands why I
00:59:43 why I say this I do so can explain it I
00:59:48 will but anyways yeah so the uh but the
00:59:54 um the the law of Moses is the
00:59:57 handwriting of ordinances that was put
01:00:00 down against Israel it was a judgment
01:00:04 against Israel now when you receive a
01:00:08 sentence from a judge that sentence
01:00:12 becomes
01:00:14 law to you correct right until the
01:00:18 sentence expires right
01:00:22 correct and therefore what what the law
01:00:26 of Moses is is a
01:00:29 sentence AK as you described it uh
01:00:33 better this time than other times the
01:00:35 sentence becomes law hence the name law
01:00:39 of Moses in fact though I will say that
01:00:42 it’s better translated law through Moses
01:00:45 but anyways that’s
01:00:48 point right so that’s it’s a it is a
01:00:52 sentence it’s a handwriting of
01:00:54 ordinances put against
01:00:58 us just like um just like just like the
01:01:03 just like the um as some people call it
01:01:06 the law of Abraham which is
01:01:09 circumcision sure sure and that was a
01:01:11 sentence right that was a sentence
01:01:14 proclaimed again against Abraham and his
01:01:17 seed um to teach them about
01:01:22 accountability before before yah
01:01:26 and when children should be
01:01:29 baptized yeah when children should be
01:01:31 baptized and it’s really interesting
01:01:33 when it gets put in place because it
01:01:35 doesn’t get in put in place when he
01:01:37 leaves haran the land of his fathers
01:01:40 right it gets put in place after he has
01:01:45 done polygamy and repented and he and is
01:01:49 going to shortly be forced to repent of
01:01:53 it correct correct it it’s about those
01:01:57 two things a reminder not to do that one
01:02:00 particular sin pogam
01:02:02 me and when children should be baptized
01:02:06 but I would be careful with the use of
01:02:08 the word forced to repent because
01:02:12 there’s always a
01:02:14 choice did I say no Ben Ben Ben said I’m
01:02:19 just saying gred right I guess that’s a
01:02:23 good catch Josh I didn’t catch that but
01:02:25 yes yeah because you can’t force someone
01:02:27 to repent right but he chose to repent
01:02:31 and I will just say that he was given
01:02:34 the Commandment that he was given the
01:02:36 Commandment that his obedience to it
01:02:41 required repentance on his part correct
01:02:44 yes that that that I agree with and and
01:02:48 I am so glad that he
01:02:52 chose if he had not chosen to repent
01:02:58 he would
01:02:59 not have received his
01:03:03 exaltation correct or sorry not receiv
01:03:07 not the best word especially after what
01:03:09 we
01:03:09 just sorry he would not have received
01:03:12 his sanctification yeah right right some
01:03:15 bad habits die hard right he would not
01:03:18 have received his sanctification if he
01:03:19 had not repeted correct correct and that
01:03:24 is something that he wanted so he chose
01:03:26 to and I’m very glad that he did yes yep
01:03:30 because as a a lot of good things as a
01:03:34 result we have a covenant
01:03:37 yes and we had a line set up by which
01:03:43 the by which the seed would
01:03:49 come so the covering
01:03:53 yes Y which is the problem
01:03:56 that’s talk anyways right it all it’s
01:04:01 awesome how all this ties together but
01:04:03 anyways yeah there’s there’s all kinds
01:04:05 of when you go back through yeshua’s
01:04:09 genealogy there’s all kinds of awesome
01:04:12 lessons to learn oh yeah yeah even uh is
01:04:17 it Matthew that does three sets of 14 if
01:04:22 I remember correctly yeah that’s very
01:04:26 Messianic right 14 has to do with the
01:04:29 Messiah and then three has to do with
01:04:30 Redemption it’s very Messianic he was he
01:04:35 was not forgetting or
01:04:37 manipulating he was doing Hebrew culture
01:04:40 ideas where he’s getting those 314s to
01:04:44 point to something that’s more important
01:04:47 right the Hebrew thought and then well
01:04:51 and also the fact that
01:04:53 Yeshua Yeshua comes from
01:04:56 Yeshua and David come from the
01:05:00 line come from feris who is the son of
01:05:03 Judah through T through
01:05:09 Tamar oh right okay yeah I see what
01:05:12 you’re saying yeah okay it’s a really
01:05:16 interesting it it’s he would in other
01:05:19 words Yeshua came into the world because
01:05:23 of sin yes right which goes back to what
01:05:27 we talked about at the beginning with
01:05:29 Adam
01:05:31 right yeah so so many there so many
01:05:35 Treasures in that
01:05:37 genealogy yeah can we pause the
01:05:39 recording or end yeah I’ll do it right
01:05:43 now