Scripture Study 2024-12-08 Hebrews 11:1

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Summary:

Looking at Steven’s translation of Hebrews 11:1. Definition of Assurance supports trust. Moses kept YHWH’s Torah. Children is symbolic followers. We are to obey YHWH Torah. YHWH and ourselves gets us interested in YHWH. Justification is not on our merits, it’s on Yeshua’s only. Word definitions and origins help with imagery. Learn so much getting into the original languages of the manuscript. One way the elite control us, is controlling what we believe. Word studies goes along with Torah’s covenant. Assurance is like strong trust, and land covenant. Covenant making and slaughtering animals to help you remember and trust it. Assurance is stated in word, cemented in ritual. Assurance has an aspect of doing in it. Professionals motives should be in question because of the money they receive. Translation of “G4229: pragma” can be controversial, I have chosen to translate as deed dealing with action because of what faith is. Ceremony is showing the world what you promised to do. Mosiah 18 teaches us that we are to enter covenant before the baptism happens. James 2 brings out we are to be a doing instead of deceiving yourself. Sinning in a sense is taking out a loan. Yeshua will pay your debt, if you come to Him sincerely. Torah is integral to Zion. The reason everyone is going to see things the same in Zion is because they all will agree with Torah. As you grow in your faith, your desire for YHWH’s promises grows. An anchor keeps you from wandering in the strange paths. Good works are defined in Torah. The world’s peace is going away soon because of the Second Coming. Revelation 12 is interesting chapter. I am being honest about my bias for my translation, the question is have I showed support for it and does it make sense. Translators are putting in their theology on purpose or accident, because it is how they make sense of the passage.

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Notes:

SJR Hebrews 11:1
A Now faith is:
-B hope [G1679] [belief] that becomes assurance [G5287] [full trust and confidence]
–C with deeds [G4229]
-B which is evidence [G1650]
A of faith that cannot be seen [G0991].

Transcript:

00:00:03 okay so uh to start off we decided that
00:00:06 it’d be kind of fun to go over uh a
00:00:09 translation I made of Hebrews 11:1 yes I
00:00:14 am that full of myself to do that um but
00:00:21 um it was not something I was looking to
00:00:23 do
00:00:26 it it kind of it came to me as I
00:00:30 was uh playing with my Torah toy AKA
00:00:34 archery cuz bows and arrows are symbolic
00:00:37 of Torah okay um so uh anyways so let’s
00:00:45 maybe read what I’ve come up with um and
00:00:50 then maybe we can talk about it okay um
00:00:53 I
00:00:54 know so a verse like this you got to be
00:00:57 really careful right cuz it’s a big deal
00:00:59 for a lot of people
00:01:00 okay so let’s start by reading the
00:01:02 what’s what comes to us on regularly oh
00:01:06 King J okay we can do King James yeah um
00:01:10 uh since you bring it up you want to
00:01:11 read the King James so you can read the
00:01:13 King James from this one just read the
00:01:15 strike out and don’t do the Bold right
00:01:19 right okay see now Faith is the
00:01:23 substance of things hoped for the
00:01:25 evidence of Things Not
00:01:28 Seen that’s the king this is the verse
00:01:31 that we’re talking about here yes 11
00:01:35 verse1 now I I do believe the uh Joseph
00:01:40 Smith translation or better put new
00:01:42 translation as Yahweh called it is
00:01:45 better than the King James and it was
00:01:48 a a good step
00:01:51 now I know this sounds awfully uh
00:01:55 conceited but to add more to or continue
00:01:59 with Joseph Smith started but Joseph
00:02:02 Smith himself stated that the jst was
00:02:05 not finished right so you know it’s an
00:02:08 interesting thing that you know not
00:02:12 even that even Yeshua
00:02:15 said that those who believe in
00:02:18 me Greater Works than ye have seen me do
00:02:21 they shall do so God if God is not
00:02:26 jealous Joseph Smith should not be and
00:02:28 we should not be jealous for it
00:02:30 uh correct um yes and joose Smith knew
00:02:36 it was it’s going to happen that More’s
00:02:38 going to come out he I do believe the
00:02:42 reason he did the ones that he focused
00:02:44 on is because those are the ones that
00:02:45 were most important for the time that he
00:02:47 was there right even maybe even to help
00:02:50 us even today um they help they help you
00:02:54 to see through the Protestant
00:02:56 error
00:02:57 yes and uh there’s a a lot of them
00:03:02 um that even in this post that I’m
00:03:05 working on that I came with this before
00:03:08 I started working on this boat anyways
00:03:11 um well the basic idea I’ve been
00:03:13 refining it to because I decided to
00:03:16 share in the post so I’ve been doing
00:03:18 some
00:03:19 refinements um
00:03:22 but that jsts actually if you look at
00:03:27 the kism with the jst I think reports
00:03:30 the gsts but anyways um and I’ve shown
00:03:33 that in some other posts it
00:03:36 just the chisms don’t really work
00:03:38 without him
00:03:39 so anyways um so uh Zach will you
00:03:46 read uh jst Hebrews 111 as the new
00:03:50 translation States it so you know don’t
00:03:52 read the cross outs and read the bolds
00:03:55 right can you make the X bigger uh uh
00:04:00 yes I
00:04:07 can is that
00:04:09 good yeah it’s
00:04:17 good wait where uh right here read it as
00:04:21 King James so read the cross but not the
00:04:26 bolts just say read we just I I’m sorry
00:04:30 my bad you’re right read the new
00:04:32 translation which is don’t read the
00:04:34 cross outs and read the bolts sorry
00:04:36 uhhuh yeah good good good check
00:04:40 sorry a faith is the Assurance of things
00:04:43 H for the evidence of Things Not Seen
00:04:47 now I I do like that Assurance there and
00:04:51 um it is there’s justification for it
00:04:55 from the Greek okay but before we look
00:04:58 at the Greek I do think it’s important
00:05:00 to look at just the definition of
00:05:03 assurance okay because I I
00:05:07 mean I I maybe it’s because I’m not a
00:05:09 word guy like Ben okay sometimes I I
00:05:14 have made assumptions about what words
00:05:16 means that W aren exactly
00:05:20 true um if nothing else this is because
00:05:23 of me okay um but I I do find it
00:05:28 fascinating that the word word Assurance
00:05:31 as I kind of put in
00:05:33 the in the post that it and even in the
00:05:37 glyph that it’s full trust and
00:05:39 confidence okay now let’s look at the
00:05:42 definitions to see if it supports that
00:05:44 I’ll read it so the 1828 Webster
00:05:47 dictionary Assurance the act of assuring
00:05:50 okay that’s helpful making a declaration
00:05:52 of terms or furnished grounds of
00:05:57 confidence as I trust did is assurances
00:06:01 so it has to be confidence and trust or
00:06:03 the act of Furnishing any ground of full
00:06:08 confidence full confidence so definition
00:06:11 two firm persuasion meaning you’ve been
00:06:15 fully
00:06:17 persuaded full confidence or
00:06:21 trust right freedom from any doubt
00:06:25 because you fully trust it certain
00:06:28 expectations you
00:06:30 are you have no doubt it’s going to
00:06:32 happen because you have trust yeah
00:06:34 you’re yeah the expectation is certain
00:06:36 the utmost certainty yeah uh ultimate or
00:06:41 utmost certainty it’s like you’re
00:06:43 reading the definition there Ben I was
00:06:47 oh
00:06:51 okay firmness of mind I mean these
00:06:56 things just reminds me of lectures on
00:06:58 faith doesn’t it yes it does yes it does
00:07:01 undoubting
00:07:05 steadiness uh yeah you want to finish it
00:07:07 up and
00:07:09 intrepidity the excess of
00:07:12 boldness or impudence and I don’t think
00:07:15 that’s what this is referring to so that
00:07:17 definition isn’t particularly good for
00:07:20 oh which one the excess of boldness
00:07:23 impudence okay so the reason I put it is
00:07:27 because when you know what you are bold
00:07:30 about it yeah but the yeah but when it
00:07:33 comes to but impudence is actually uh it
00:07:38 actually carries with it the connotation
00:07:41 of disrespect to Authority oh okay yeah
00:07:44 and that’s not what’s going on so uh I
00:07:46 will get rid of that thank you for that
00:07:48 uh help
00:07:49 there you just saw I got rid of it right
00:07:52 y so freedom from excessive modesty
00:07:54 timidity or
00:07:56 bashfulness and that’s that’s something
00:07:58 that’s actually
00:08:00 uh you know this is one of this is one
00:08:02 of the things that I’ve never understood
00:08:05 about Christians is they think in order
00:08:07 to be humble you have to put yourself
00:08:09 down
00:08:12 incessantly no that’s kind of
00:08:17 humility you’re not actually
00:08:19 acknowledging things as they
00:08:22 are
00:08:23 yeah because if God is just Lord over a
00:08:27 bunch of nothings
00:08:29 then what is he
00:08:31 really are you really glorifying God by
00:08:35 demeaning
00:08:36 yourself no um the reason I do it
00:08:40 occasionally I is a little more humor
00:08:44 and try to relax people about me right
00:08:47 and also uh to help bring out a point
00:08:51 because humor can help them remember
00:08:54 things so right and my my but my my
00:08:58 simple point is is that that is not true
00:09:01 humility correct I agree I I humility is
00:09:06 simply accepting the mind and will of
00:09:10 yah correct that’s why Moses
00:09:14 is I don’t remember how it is exactly
00:09:17 it’s stated in the book of Deuteronomy
00:09:19 that Moses is the meekest of men yeah
00:09:23 which is is willing to accept yahweh’s
00:09:26 ways right y the meek are those who
00:09:29 humbly
00:09:31 obedient yes and the meekest was it
00:09:34 among the meekest no he was the meekest
00:09:37 of men not among he was the meekest okay
00:09:42 and and the society that he was in I
00:09:44 completely agree with that in fact
00:09:45 that’s why he was called and not
00:09:48 somebody else to be SL Mighty and strong
00:09:51 one right yes and uh now the thing is is
00:09:57 that uh you don’t find
00:10:01 uh you Moses doesn’t really you don’t
00:10:05 you don’t really see a whole lot of
00:10:07 places where Moses is putting himself
00:10:09 down he is he takes responsibility for
00:10:12 his people sure but that’s not the same
00:10:16 thing as putting yourself down correct
00:10:18 but actually him taking responsibilities
00:10:20 for his people is actually following
00:10:22 Torah so yes
00:10:25 well I’m I wasn’t criticizing that oh no
00:10:29 I and I’m just letting other people who
00:10:31 are not as familiar with Torah know so
00:10:34 yes the father of the household takes
00:10:37 responsibility for all in his household
00:10:40 y his children or in this case with
00:10:43 Moses
00:10:44 followers right uh yeah so that that and
00:10:47 that’s the thing is that’s another that
00:10:50 points to another thing which can be
00:10:52 another Sidetrack but it’s uh the
00:10:55 children are followers it’s not just
00:10:58 when the talks about children it’s not
00:11:00 necessar it’s not just talking about
00:11:02 literally children correct uh it like
00:11:06 it’s not talking about seed
00:11:10 stains okay moving
00:11:14 on so okay so the freedom from excessive
00:11:18 modesty timidity or bashfulness uh
00:11:21 laudable
00:11:23 confidence laudable confidence so what’s
00:11:26 laudable mean laudable
00:11:29 means
00:11:31 praiseworthy
00:11:36 okay
00:11:45 conviction no no actually conviction I
00:11:48 was just reading the next thing down
00:11:50 oh yeah I wasn’t um I was
00:11:56 ithy laudable is praiseworthy okay I
00:11:59 just uh adding notes there to make it
00:12:01 more understandable for people if
00:12:03 nothing else for
00:12:05 myself now conviction that’s a very
00:12:08 important part of
00:12:10 assurance um the reason why so many
00:12:14 people who are why so many people today
00:12:18 are afraid to stand on their convictions
00:12:21 is because they lack the assurance that
00:12:23 their life is what yofa wants it to be
00:12:26 therefore they they cannot stand on
00:12:29 conviction so and that goes on what is
00:12:32 taught in lectures on faith six um right
00:12:37 yes and uh in theology full confidence
00:12:41 of one’s interest in Christ and of final
00:12:44 salvation
00:12:45 um so this is full confidence of one’s
00:12:49 interest in Christ now that’s an
00:12:51 interesting way to put it
00:12:54 um because because it’s true because
00:12:58 there’s a definitely a lot of Truth to
00:13:01 that idea is that we do have interest in
00:13:04 Christ that’s the only way we have
00:13:06 interest by the
00:13:09 way because um when we
00:13:14 uh when we
00:13:18 have we take what we are to him and he
00:13:22 makes more of
00:13:26 it uh with of course by are obedient we
00:13:31 we we Aid in that process by obeying the
00:13:33 mind and will of hila correct um gives
00:13:38 us the interest we don’t make the
00:13:44 interest uh I think it’s a combo effort
00:13:47 on that but okay
00:13:50 um so if it’s not a
00:13:53 combo
00:13:55 um it’s
00:13:57 Calvinism that’s true true so it’s a
00:14:00 mixture it’s both
00:14:03 yeah but yeah but the the the first part
00:14:08 the first part of Salvation is is we
00:14:11 can’t get on
00:14:14 Merit the first part of Sal the our
00:14:17 justification is not based on
00:14:19 Merit uh correct
00:14:24 um this is the first part of Salvation
00:14:26 our justification is not on Merit
00:14:30 uh and so this is where the interest
00:14:32 this is where our interest in Yeshua
00:14:35 comes
00:14:36 in because our because our justification
00:14:40 is not Merit
00:14:42 based uh correct
00:14:45 um okay so um let’s if you’re done let’s
00:14:50 maybe go on to the next part yeah let’s
00:14:52 go on okay so
00:14:57 uh so that’s the insurance oh yeah we
00:15:00 looked at the definition let’s go look
00:15:01 at the Greek now okay which oh yeah I
00:15:05 like
00:15:06 Greek uh
00:15:08 I I can’t read it on my own that’s why I
00:15:12 go to Bible of a
00:15:13 lot I’m just I’m being I’m being more
00:15:16 than a I’m being
00:15:18 factious okay anyways um so the
00:15:22 Interlinear uh you can kind of tell
00:15:25 where it is and it is interesting that
00:15:28 on the inter here they agree with Joseph
00:15:31 Smith uh or better put the new
00:15:33 translation of assurance over substance
00:15:36 right there y link um and so I I if
00:15:42 people argue with that one they don’t
00:15:43 know what they’re talking about right so
00:15:46 yes the the change from the change from
00:15:49 substance to
00:15:51 Assurance is
00:15:54 um now I’m wondering if it’s possible
00:15:59 that you could have gotten substance
00:16:01 from that word yes it it it it is one of
00:16:04 the definitions and as I was working on
00:16:07 this um and putting the Greek word the
00:16:11 there is a portion in it that I copied
00:16:13 over that kind of shows some
00:16:15 justification for
00:16:17 substance but I do think Assurance is
00:16:20 better because without the context
00:16:22 substance can be read multiple ways yes
00:16:24 and so this gets down to the point that
00:16:27 the translation is only as good as the
00:16:30 translator correct um so um Zach if
00:16:34 you’re willing let’s look at the
00:16:37 Greek
00:16:39 uh I I don’t know how to say
00:16:43 that that
00:16:48 there trying to
00:16:51 get
00:16:52 hoasis okay uh I know I can say Greek
00:16:57 5287 yeah
00:17:00 so Zach you want to kind of read this
00:17:02 for us
00:17:06 um rasis um substance Assurance
00:17:10 confidence Essence
00:17:12 reality
00:17:13 meaning U literally an
00:17:16 underlying confidence Assurance of
00:17:18 giving substance or real reality
00:17:21 to or a
00:17:25 guaranteeing substance reality
00:17:29 so I let me say this real quick pause
00:17:31 you one second uh this is showing the
00:17:35 substance of reality which is what the
00:17:37 Assurance is so with this context I can
00:17:40 see
00:17:42 how there’s justification for doing
00:17:45 substance right but it’s not it’s not
00:17:49 it’s not a it’s not an it’s not an
00:17:51 overtly false
00:17:53 translation correct it’s just not as
00:17:56 good as it could be uh correct now I
00:17:59 will also on this one will grant that
00:18:03 um 1611 English is a little different
00:18:07 than uh 1830 English and even 2024
00:18:10 English right and so that it’s it’s it’s
00:18:14 a little different from 1830s English
00:18:16 and it’s a lot different from 2020s
00:18:20 English uh yes so I I perhaps back in
00:18:25 1611 they knew what substance was and so
00:18:28 it was fine
00:18:30 but in today’s world I do think
00:18:32 Assurance is much better than substance
00:18:35 okay so moving on Zach I think you’re
00:18:38 right here the word or origin derived
00:18:42 from Greek press prep preposition
00:18:47 preposition the Greek
00:18:50 preposition I’m gonna
00:18:54 move which means under and the verb uh
00:19:00 St meaning to stand so uh this go kind
00:19:04 of goes along with the imagery with
00:19:05 standing stand you stand when you’re
00:19:08 confident in something you you wouldn’t
00:19:11 stand under a ceiling that you weren’t
00:19:13 confident was going to stay up right
00:19:15 right and it just you know um even in uh
00:19:20 statements from Yer in the New Testament
00:19:22 he told people to stand up
00:19:24 straight yes that’s
00:19:27 confidence yeah yeah uh yeah he didn’t
00:19:30 want he didn’t want people uh he didn’t
00:19:33 want people putting themselves down for
00:19:34 his
00:19:35 aggrandisement right so I mean even some
00:19:38 of these word definitions and
00:19:40 Origins goes along with teaching us
00:19:43 imagery
00:19:45 yeah
00:19:49 yeah go on
00:19:52 Zach
00:19:54 um uh word studies ostasis um properly
00:19:59 to possess standing under a guaranteed
00:20:02 agreement idal
00:20:05 deed uh title to a promise or property
00:20:09 I.E a legitimate claim as it literally
00:20:13 is under a legal
00:20:15 standing that is so cool when you think
00:20:18 about the word study under this word
00:20:22 this Greek word that we have that we
00:20:25 have in the King James is substance and
00:20:27 that we have uh that we have in the new
00:20:30 translation is
00:20:31 assurance and and when you take that in
00:20:34 relation to the rest of the
00:20:38 chapter it’s beautiful I think it even
00:20:41 opens up the chapter right
00:20:44 absolutely yeah um I I I I will admit I
00:20:49 need to be better at understanding these
00:20:52 words and I I’ve always enjoyed looking
00:20:55 at 1828 dictionary and
00:20:58 um the the word definitions in the
00:21:01 original language of the manuscripts
00:21:03 that we have it it’s very helpful and
00:21:07 insightful yeah you learn you learn so
00:21:09 much as you start to get into the
00:21:14 words
00:21:16 yeah which is probably why a lot of
00:21:19 people why a lot of people don’t want
00:21:20 you to get into the
00:21:25 words uh yes they they
00:21:29 so um I have come across how one way
00:21:33 that the elites control us is
00:21:35 controlling what we think the word
00:21:37 definitions
00:21:39 are
00:21:44 yep okay Zach
00:21:47 continue so this this word words uh word
00:21:51 studies uh
00:21:53 section all this you know this
00:21:56 guaranteed agreement or
00:21:59 promise promise property legitimate
00:22:02 claims like sounds like Torah or like
00:22:05 you know Covenant is it is the covenant
00:22:09 made with Abraham made with the
00:22:12 Patriarchs reinstituted with
00:22:18 Moses um and also a lot of this imagery
00:22:21 that’s going along with the one the part
00:22:23 that you read so far also goes along
00:22:25 with like uh trust legitimate claim
00:22:30 uh right and then
00:22:32 guaranteed agreement I I I really think
00:22:36 those goes along with trust also but I
00:22:37 do like your Insight how it also goes
00:22:39 along with the Covenant of Torah right
00:22:45 yeah that’s yeah right here entitling
00:22:48 someone to what is guaranteed under
00:22:51 under the particular
00:22:54 agreement uh for the
00:22:57 believer of St say is the Lord’s
00:23:01 guarantee to fulfill the faith he
00:23:06 URS indeed we are only entitled to what
00:23:09 God grants faith
00:23:11 for okay so that that little bit right
00:23:14 there sounds a little
00:23:16 calvinist uh yeah um so maybe I should
00:23:21 take that part off I I anyways um I’m
00:23:25 not trying to hide we are what we are
00:23:27 entit
00:23:30 too is the
00:23:33 blessings as we
00:23:36 obey the law of the Covenant were
00:23:39 entitled to the blessings of obedience
00:23:43 to the law and the Covenant and of our
00:23:47 because and the reason why we’re
00:23:49 entitled is because our obedience shows
00:23:52 our faith according to James chapter
00:23:55 2 correct I and agree with that and I I
00:23:59 probably just maybe got a little copy
00:24:00 paste hungry
00:24:03 there but I’m not hiding anything
00:24:05 because I am giving people the links to
00:24:07 go read everything that that’s there so
00:24:10 I’m just trying to more highlight things
00:24:12 that’s helpful to uh help to what I’m
00:24:15 bringing out right right and I I and my
00:24:18 point is is that that that calvinist
00:24:21 ideal on the back end there is not
00:24:23 necessarily helpful yeah yeah yeah I
00:24:25 removed it um yeah so I the and it’s not
00:24:28 even true because we in as much as we
00:24:32 show our faith in Yeshua
00:24:34 hamashia we can G he has by his own
00:24:39 inimitable word guaranteed us the
00:24:42 blessings correct um so the big thing
00:24:47 about this word uh Assurance it I I
00:24:51 would almost say and Ben you tell me if
00:24:54 I’m correct CU you’re better with words
00:24:55 than I am this is like strong trust
00:25:00 right this is like
00:25:04 um when people in ancient Israel would
00:25:08 do a land Covenant with one
00:25:13 another they would Slaughter animals and
00:25:17 sacrifice to Gods to
00:25:20 either God or their gods as the case may
00:25:24 be because not everybody in the ancient
00:25:26 Israel area were um
00:25:31 monotheists right but they would
00:25:32 Slaughter animals as sacrifice as
00:25:35 assurance that that that the other party
00:25:38 to whom they were covenanting this
00:25:41 land had ownership of that
00:25:45 land correct as in
00:25:50 um and that’s actually what you see when
00:25:53 it said when
00:25:54 Abraham the the Covenant when God makes
00:25:58 Covenant with Abraham it’s a scene just
00:26:01 like that Abraham has laid the animals
00:26:04 out in sacrific and God himself walks
00:26:09 between the sacrificed animals accepting
00:26:13 the sacrifice covenanting the land to
00:26:16 Abraham correct correct and I think it’s
00:26:20 it’s to
00:26:22 show uh an image to help you remember
00:26:24 and trust it yep and exactly
00:26:28 and and it’s this particular
00:26:33 thing that
00:26:35 Paul or if you believe that Paul wrote
00:26:38 Hebrews and it’s Paul if you don’t the
00:26:41 author of Hebrews is pointing to when he
00:26:45 talks about
00:26:47 Abraham well but Paul himself in his own
00:26:50 letters uh and those letters that are
00:26:52 Dem demonstrably his states that the
00:26:57 promise was to Abra by faith
00:27:01 correct
00:27:02 correct um and so this is the assurance
00:27:06 that he’s talking
00:27:08 about or as I like to put trust but I
00:27:14 and and maybe this is me and maybe I’m
00:27:16 wrong but I think Assurance is a higher
00:27:19 trust but but but the other thing about
00:27:22 the Assurance is that it is stated in
00:27:25 word and cemented in ritual
00:27:28 uh yeah
00:27:34 yes just like when just like when you
00:27:38 uh just like when you um when you get
00:27:43 money from uh from the bank on
00:27:49 Loan they can agree to give you the
00:27:52 money but you don’t get the money until
00:27:54 you’ve done the ritual of signing the
00:27:56 paperwork sure sure that makes sense
00:27:59 that makes sense which also goes along
00:28:02 the part with the diligence so I think
00:28:04 I’m hearing from you Assurance has an
00:28:06 aspect of doing in it right yes
00:28:11 yes it’s cemented in what you
00:28:17 do uh which goes along how I I always
00:28:22 Define faith trust and diligence and
00:28:26 diligence is the do part right so I
00:28:30 guess that’s kind of summed up in one
00:28:33 word Assurance so that thank you that
00:28:38 that’s okay
00:28:40 um there there there you go that’s my uh
00:28:44 that’s my amateur that’s my amateur
00:28:47 biblical scholarship
00:28:49 coming well I think it’s good um amateur
00:28:54 just means you’re not paid and when
00:28:56 you’re paid your motivation
00:28:59 uh is
00:29:01 TI your motivations can be questioned at
00:29:04 the moment that you start receiving pay
00:29:06 to
00:29:08 expound truth as it were uh
00:29:15 yeah so uh okay so I there’s not any big
00:29:19 controversy with that word le at least I
00:29:21 hope there’s not I would imagine though
00:29:24 there is a big controversy with g
00:29:30 4229 um
00:29:33 which um the King James and the new
00:29:37 translation and B and this
00:29:40 Interlinear um puts it as
00:29:45 things now if you don’t know what faith
00:29:48 is okay sure I I think if anything that
00:29:52 shows their ignorance or them trying to
00:29:53 change things right right but let’s go
00:29:58 look at that
00:30:00 word
00:30:02 uh 40 oh it’s this one right here deed
00:30:06 um so um Ben you want to read this one
00:30:10 since Ben read the last one exact yeah
00:30:13 okay so the the uh the word is
00:30:18 pragma which is actually the root word
00:30:21 for
00:30:22 pragmatic
00:30:25 okay uh which is to mean practical or
00:30:29 having to do with things of practicality
00:30:31 which is doing practical has to be doing
00:30:34 with doing right and so here we have
00:30:37 thing
00:30:39 Affair business deed all of these are
00:30:43 things related to a
00:30:46 covenant okay uh and I see uh a good
00:30:50 number of them having to do with action
00:30:52 but yeah I can see with the Covenant
00:30:55 also meaning a thing
00:31:00 done meaning a thing
00:31:06 done a
00:31:10 deed action a matter an
00:31:14 affair all
00:31:16 actions
00:31:18 derived okay the word origin is derived
00:31:22 from the
00:31:24 word uh praso meaning to do or to
00:31:30 practice usage in the New Testament
00:31:32 pragma generally refers to a matter or
00:31:35 Affair often with a focus on practical
00:31:37 or concrete aspects I.E uh you don’t get
00:31:40 much more concrete uh than act say
00:31:43 you’re angry at somebody you don’t get
00:31:45 much more concrete than acting that out
00:31:47 by punching them in the
00:31:51 face so that would be the pragmatic
00:31:54 expression of your Ang the pragma
00:31:56 expression of your anger
00:31:58 um which is the action part of it right
00:32:04 yes so let’s see um it can denote a BS
00:32:09 it can also denote a business
00:32:11 transaction or in the case of
00:32:16 Abraham a
00:32:19 sacrifice
00:32:21 accepted and a covenant made sure sure I
00:32:24 I think to be a little more specific
00:32:26 it’d be him offering the sacrifice yes
00:32:29 him offering the sacrifice that you see
00:32:31 this is part this is the other side of
00:32:34 what I was talking about when I said
00:32:37 that um the Assurance
00:32:39 is um spoken in word cemented in
00:32:46 ritual sure uh there’s
00:32:51 um the sacrifices the sacrifices will be
00:32:54 coming back they
00:32:56 are they they are a part of the
00:33:01 Covenant right it’s
00:33:04 showing to in the sense of the bank the
00:33:07 bank and the lawyers and the judge later
00:33:11 if you decide to break it that
00:33:13 you you said you would do this right it
00:33:17 is so the ceremony is showing the world
00:33:21 your what you promised your intent yeah
00:33:25 just like just like while I don’t
00:33:27 believe that you have to go out and get
00:33:29 a marriage license I do believe that
00:33:32 before one has sex they should perform a
00:33:36 ceremony showing that they are committed
00:33:39 to this person for the rest of their
00:33:40 life and Beyond should that be the case
00:33:44 correct now with that ceremony let me
00:33:45 just add one thing because I agree it
00:33:47 doesn’t have to be with the government
00:33:49 because who married
00:33:52 Nephi did they I don’t I don’t know if
00:33:56 they would have been allowed to go back
00:33:57 to Jerusalem just to do the marriages uh
00:34:00 yeah they didn’t but um it’s a ceremony
00:34:04 to the world or as much as the world you
00:34:07 can do to show what you promised that
00:34:11 you would
00:34:15 do which is happens with marriage so
00:34:17 many because you’re already promised to
00:34:19 get
00:34:20 married uh because the engagement right
00:34:24 now this is just going through the
00:34:25 formal act and showing the world yes
00:34:27 that that’s what the pragma is about
00:34:29 it’s through going
00:34:32 going going through the action that
00:34:35 states that shows that your faith that
00:34:38 your um that your hope and your faith is
00:34:42 genuine now let me add something with
00:34:45 this with baptism now the Book of Mormon
00:34:48 teaches contrary to Restoration churches
00:34:51 including the elus promite one that uh
00:34:55 first you make a covenant
00:34:58 then you do the ceremony to show that
00:35:02 you did that which is going along with
00:35:05 the definition of ceremony it’s just
00:35:07 telling people what you already promised
00:35:08 to do just like going back to our
00:35:10 example with
00:35:12 Abraham the Lord and the Lord and
00:35:15 Abraham had entered into Covenant
00:35:19 previously but when Abraham lays out the
00:35:22 animals in the
00:35:24 sacrifice to ywa
00:35:29 in
00:35:29 accordance with y’s will and
00:35:36 command he shows the
00:35:40 faith he shows that he believes y’s word
00:35:43 is
00:35:46 good yeah and he conforms his life to it
00:35:52 and it it is enough
00:35:59 yeah because it’s coming under his
00:36:03 covering that makes us Justified if we
00:36:06 do it sincerely
00:36:12 yeah so do you want to keep reading the
00:36:15 rest of okay so let’s see uh concrete it
00:36:17 can denote a business transaction a
00:36:20 legal matter or a deed the term
00:36:21 emphasizes the tangible or actionable
00:36:24 nature of the subject in question
00:36:26 cultural and historical background in
00:36:28 the Greco Roman world pragma was
00:36:30 commonly used in legal and commercial
00:36:33 contexts or
00:36:35 in given the fact given the legalities
00:36:38 here we’re talking about a covenant as
00:36:40 well you could you could throw a
00:36:42 covenant in in with that which goes
00:36:45 along because when you Covenant to keep
00:36:47 his laws that means you’re gonna to do
00:36:51 them I I know that’s a dirty word but
00:36:55 yeah exactly uh
00:36:58 to refer wait minute as since you
00:37:00 brought up James 2 earlier let me say
00:37:02 this be a
00:37:04 doer and not deceiving yourselves be a
00:37:07 doer of the word not a hearer only
00:37:09 deceiving yourselves for he who hears
00:37:12 only uh sees him sees his reflection in
00:37:15 the mirror and then goes on his
00:37:19 way yeah so
00:37:22 anyways and it does him no good uh
00:37:26 actually it it does does them bad
00:37:30 yeah well in James’s little thing it
00:37:33 does them them and nobody else any good
00:37:36 because James I I do think
00:37:40 that James the brother of
00:37:43 Yeshua was an optimist bless
00:37:47 him and chose to focus on the and chose
00:37:50 to focus on the positive aspect uh okay
00:37:54 and uh sure sure I can see that that and
00:37:57 with him being you know the head Bishop
00:37:59 of the church he’s trying to counsel the
00:38:02 church so that that that makes
00:38:04 sense yeah so but it but you are right
00:38:09 it does do you bad if you if you hear
00:38:14 the word and don’t do
00:38:16 it sure yeah yeah and I mean everybody
00:38:20 has their preferred way of doing some
00:38:23 things just like if you take out the
00:38:25 loan and don’t pay it
00:38:29 yes that that will do you bad very bad
00:38:34 uh yes well and then sinning to a
00:38:37 certain extent is taking out a loan
00:38:39 right well the the the facts of the
00:38:42 matter
00:38:43 are the Christ and
00:38:46 Christianity is has taken out so many
00:38:50 loans on Grace that they are bankrupt
00:38:54 they are morally bankrupt
00:38:59 yeah and so they need someone that’s
00:39:01 willing to pay their loan for them oh I
00:39:03 know who that is it’s
00:39:06 Yeshua if you come to him sincerely but
00:39:11 right right he’s willing to pay the loan
00:39:13 but you’ve got to be but you have
00:39:17 to he’s willing to pay the loan but you
00:39:19 have to come under his covering which
00:39:21 means that you because you’re under his
00:39:24 covering you’re under his you’re in his
00:39:26 house and because you’re in his house
00:39:28 you have to live by his house rules
00:39:30 right right and being in his house is
00:39:32 why he can take care of it
00:39:37 because and that’s according to Torah
00:39:40 yeah so so there we go the term reflects
00:39:44 the Practical and often public nature of
00:39:46 such Affairs uh and technically um when
00:39:52 Torah is both practical and very public
00:39:59 yes yes it
00:40:02 is which were integral to Social and
00:40:05 economic life of the
00:40:07 time Torah is integral to the Social and
00:40:12 economic life of
00:40:14 Zion if you say that you’re all about
00:40:17 building
00:40:18 Zion and you don’t study
00:40:21 Torah then you’re
00:40:24 lying yeah in fact to add to that the
00:40:27 reason why everybody in Torah is going
00:40:29 to see things the same way is because
00:40:32 they’re all going to agree with
00:40:35 Torah which is yahweh’s ways
00:40:40 right so un understanding pragma its
00:40:44 historical context helps illuminate its
00:40:46 use in the New Testament where it often
00:40:48 pertains to issues of conduct and
00:40:50 responsibility within the Christian
00:40:52 Community oh wait a minute that was
00:40:54 governed by Torah
00:40:57 what that’s a t- word sorry it is for
00:41:02 some people as a swear word but it’s not
00:41:04 for me I’m making partun of
00:41:08 it and it’s also it’s a cognate uh word
00:41:12 studies cognate pragma uh properly The
00:41:15 Habit needed to accomplish what is
00:41:16 necessary
00:41:18 I everything about pragma points to Tor
00:41:22 right as and to be specific to go with
00:41:25 the definition of faith of doing it’s
00:41:27 just Torah tells us how Yahweh wants us
00:41:30 to do things right The Habit needed to
00:41:33 accomplish what is
00:41:34 necessary yeah so that is a beautiful
00:41:39 concept uh yeah actually doing get doing
00:41:43 what is
00:41:44 right almost down to muscle memory yeah
00:41:48 so let’s go look at ether 12 for a
00:41:50 minute that goes along with that
00:41:53 um it’s a good chapter for that right
00:41:57 yeah yeah you get doing what’s right
00:41:59 down to muscle
00:42:01 memory yeah so uh ether 12 doesn’t say
00:42:04 that so I do agree with that that’s why
00:42:06 you practice so you just start doing it
00:42:09 automatically uh let me make that bigger
00:42:11 because you guys probably aren’t going
00:42:13 to like that get hit the right button um
00:42:16 oh I love it but I just can’t read
00:42:18 it okay good
00:42:22 point CU you kind of remember what’s
00:42:25 there right right
00:42:28 Um Zack will you uh
00:42:31 oh let’s see what’s the verse I actually
00:42:35 want all let me pause to find this
00:42:39 specific verse so we’re not just reading
00:42:40 lots of
00:42:42 stuff all right so I found the one I
00:42:45 want uh Zack are you willing to read
00:42:47 that for us it’s ether 124 and it goes
00:42:50 along with what Ben was just saying
00:42:53 okay orfor who’s who so believe in
00:42:56 Elohim or God might with surely hope for
00:43:00 a better world even a place at the right
00:43:03 hand of Elohim which hope cometh to
00:43:06 Faith maketh an anchor for The Souls of
00:43:10 men which would make them sure and
00:43:13 steadfast always abounding in good works
00:43:15 being led to glorify
00:43:17 God okay so here’s something really
00:43:20 interesting wherefore he who so
00:43:23 believeth in Elohim might with sure hope
00:43:28 for a better world yet even a place at
00:43:31 the right hand of
00:43:33 Elohim uh I know what that is those who
00:43:37 do
00:43:39 hor can hope to wield his
00:43:44 power yes um I also will say uh it’s
00:43:49 Zion because making it place a better
00:43:52 world and that’s where they can be next
00:43:55 the place at the the place at the right
00:43:57 hand the at the right hand of God is you
00:44:01 have he’s given you the right hand is
00:44:04 the hand of power correct the right hand
00:44:07 is um having the same power as Yahweh um
00:44:13 but I I do also believe the
00:44:16 place at his right hand and Zion’s going
00:44:20 to have the power of God with them so I
00:44:23 I do agree with you but I think and this
00:44:26 is me I think more specifically is
00:44:29 talking about Zion I I I mean I can I
00:44:32 can I can I can definitely see that
00:44:35 especially with the explanation you gave
00:44:36 me um right but it is because of what
00:44:40 you’re bringing out though in addition
00:44:42 to that that it can only happen because
00:44:45 the world’s going to want to try to
00:44:46 destroy Zion it needs the power of God
00:44:49 to be with it or them or however you
00:44:52 want to say it yes people but anyways um
00:44:56 but yeah Zion will have the power of God
00:45:00 with it who so believeth in God might
00:45:02 with shity hope for a better world Zion
00:45:05 yeah even in a place at the right hand
00:45:07 of God you may hope through you may hope
00:45:12 as a
00:45:13 reward to receive as a reward for your
00:45:16 good works to receive his
00:45:19 power which hope cometh of faith faith
00:45:23 is as we’re covering in this translation
00:45:27 of Hebrews
00:45:29 11:1 faith is trust and diligence faith
00:45:35 is Faith is trust in the promises shown
00:45:39 by our keeping our
00:45:42 end yes and and one thing I want to add
00:45:45 to this is Hope cometh of Faith as
00:45:49 um your faith grows in
00:45:53 Yahweh what your hope for grows also yes
00:45:57 because you start seeing the promises
00:46:00 and you’re actually starting to want
00:46:02 them have faith those promises make an
00:46:06 anchor to The Souls of men now
00:46:10 people anybody who thinks that an anchor
00:46:15 is something that just uh keeps somebody
00:46:18 from going
00:46:22 anywhere
00:46:25 um those who’ve been at see know that an
00:46:27 anchor is their best friend in a
00:46:30 storm yeah is to keep you firm in the
00:46:33 same place right as in not to wandering
00:46:36 off in strange paths yeah H you’re if if
00:46:40 you’ve got a if you’ve got your anchor
00:46:42 in firmly into the
00:46:44 bottom uh you’re not going to get you’re
00:46:47 you’re far less likely to get swept up
00:46:49 on the rocks in a
00:46:53 storm uh which would make which would
00:46:56 make them sure and
00:46:58 steadfast always abounding in good
00:47:03 works good works are defined in the mind
00:47:07 and will of
00:47:09 yah they are defined in
00:47:13 Torah yeah and it’s uh basically
00:47:17 righteousness Holiness right why was
00:47:19 Torah given to Israel so that they could
00:47:23 show God’s wisdom in their action
00:47:27 and
00:47:28 glorify
00:47:31 Elohim correct and glorifying him as in
00:47:34 showing other people God wisdom and them
00:47:38 and them just glorifying Yahweh because
00:47:41 they see how his
00:47:44 wisdom is glorious it’s m it makes
00:47:47 things it makes Society good and
00:47:50 peaceful like real peace not this
00:47:53 pretend peace that the world has so well
00:47:56 and it’s and that pretend peace is going
00:47:58 to go away very soon uh yes um because
00:48:04 of the second coming
00:48:06 so
00:48:08 uh in the in the while we’re
00:48:13 waiting the thing is is that there will
00:48:15 be a place of Peace even in the midst of
00:48:19 the persecutions because as it was
00:48:22 stated in
00:48:24 Revelation the lady and that the uh that
00:48:27 the woman was taken into the
00:48:32 Wilderness and was there
00:48:36 kept uh yeah so uh Revelations 12 is
00:48:42 interesting because there’s some stuff
00:48:43 in there it I believe brings out
00:48:46 it’s um partly started with Adam’s time
00:48:50 so I don’t think it’s just
00:48:51 specific in times I do think I do think
00:48:55 that one is actually a reference to uh a
00:48:58 reference to Zion and the New Jerusalem
00:49:01 which is where
00:49:03 um anyways Revelations 12 is an
00:49:06 interesting one um and like the Manchild
00:49:10 is Yeshua and he was born right long
00:49:13 before the second coming uh Thousand
00:49:16 Years give or take but anyways yes and
00:49:19 he was caught up into heaven and then
00:49:21 the woman was taken to her place in the
00:49:24 wilderness um
00:49:27 uh except there’s some parts later in
00:49:29 the chapter that talks about even before
00:49:31 he was born so it it’s a yeah it’s it’s
00:49:35 a hge pod it’s a hodge podge it’s
00:49:39 just I see a reference design in it yeah
00:49:43 I see a possibility of it I’m just I’m
00:49:45 not you don’t have to agree with me yeah
00:49:48 I see the possibility I’m just I’m not
00:49:50 completely sure because of other things
00:49:51 and it’s not one I spend tons of time
00:49:54 thinking about so
00:49:56 yeah anyways so shall we go back to
00:50:00 Hebrews 11 Hebrews 11 sure I think
00:50:04 that’s probably a great idea because
00:50:07 we’re not done yet um so what we’re
00:50:11 showing here is that this is actually
00:50:13 it’s not just
00:50:16 things that’s a real shorthand way
00:50:20 of Translating that
00:50:23 word correct um
00:50:28 so one thing I want to bring out uh
00:50:30 evidence is not really controversial
00:50:33 because you can see it’s even in the
00:50:35 King
00:50:36 James uh rendition of it um
00:50:41 and but it’s not in this inner linear I
00:50:44 think that’s the one that they put
00:50:47 conviction yes so I I I can somewhat
00:50:50 understand that but considering some of
00:50:54 the other aspects I don’t believe
00:50:56 conviction is the best term yeah except
00:50:59 the conviction is actually a part of the
00:51:01 definition of
00:51:03 assurance right so they’re doubling up a
00:51:06 little bit now along this line before we
00:51:09 continue I will admit I put a faith here
00:51:12 when there is not one in the Greek okay
00:51:16 now but it is the subject but you go
00:51:19 look at the King James they just a
00:51:21 things and a things and you can see in
00:51:25 the in linear there’s really only one
00:51:27 justification for
00:51:28 things right here it’s in um square
00:51:32 brackets glyphs showing there’s no
00:51:35 justification for it other than to make
00:51:38 the English
00:51:39 good
00:51:41 right and so that I will admit that is
00:51:44 what I did with the second Faith but it
00:51:49 it is the subject of the sentence and so
00:51:52 I’m just
00:51:53 making the sentence sound good in Normal
00:51:56 English okay
00:51:58 yes yes um and then the cannot be seen
00:52:04 okay so this part the bcen should not be
00:52:08 controversial because uh right
00:52:12 there here they have it being seen But
00:52:14 the definition actually says to see but
00:52:19 I
00:52:20 mean if you’re squawking over that um
00:52:24 yeah yeah that’s it’s not a you’re you
00:52:29 have other problems and I’m afraid I
00:52:31 can’t help you right and uh there’s the
00:52:35 not that’s in here in the Interlinear
00:52:38 and I just add put cannot
00:52:42 to right to make it fit in English
00:52:45 better right make it fit Modern English
00:52:48 uh yeah yeah Modern English better um
00:52:52 but the idea of the not is there so so
00:52:56 the point is is that our faith and our
00:52:59 words our words can be heard but they
00:53:01 can’t be seen our faith can’t be seen
00:53:05 but we can see our faith in our Deeds uh
00:53:09 well and I’ll put it another way our
00:53:11 evidence of our faith can can be seen in
00:53:14 our Deeds yeah so Andrew if you’re able
00:53:19 can you uh read this translation I did
00:53:23 of Hebrew 111 in summary for us real
00:53:26 quick
00:53:28 sure now Faith is Hope belief that
00:53:35 becomes
00:53:37 Assurance full trust and confidence with
00:53:41 Deeds which is
00:53:43 evidence of faith that cannot be
00:53:46 seen now
00:53:49 um I have showed a few people this uh
00:53:53 before this
00:53:54 recording uh and though
00:53:57 it’s people I interact a lot with so
00:53:59 they might be somewhat biased but they
00:54:03 have told me that really makes that
00:54:06 verse make a lot more sense and I hope
00:54:08 it does for everybody else and it
00:54:12 actually it actually walks hand in hand
00:54:15 with the definition of faith that is
00:54:16 shared time and again throughout the
00:54:19 scriptures correct now I I will be
00:54:22 honest
00:54:23 here uh this translation is is based
00:54:28 upon what I believe faith is so I I I
00:54:32 will admit I’m being biased now the
00:54:35 question is have I shown support for my
00:54:39 bias because all translations are
00:54:43 biases right the question is are they
00:54:46 which is why I say a translation is only
00:54:48 as strong as the translator correct
00:54:51 that’s why you got to be careful with
00:54:52 translations because they purposely are
00:54:56 not translators are putting their
00:55:02 theology okay so let’s uh uh pause for a
00:55:06 second