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D&C LDS 9 and prayer. Will talk about the feeling conundrum. Son means follower. We are to BECOME sons / followers. Modalism is taught in the Book of Mormon. Becoming perfect is becoming sanctified. Yeshua will provide a way to keep the commandments, and that is not by changing them. Yeshua kept Torah so should we. YHWH speaks unto the whole world. The whole world heard the trump from Sinai. Joseph and Olive likely to translate the lost tribes. Oliver will translate later. Joseph Smith dedicated to Oliver Cowdery. Mighty and Strong One will write what he translates. Genesis 50 is not about Joseph Smith it’s about the Mighty and Strong One. Add and take away is about the commandments not prophecy. We can get more on prophecy. Very likely Oliver didn’t continue translating because what he received contradicted the theology he currently believed and second guessed his translating he did. Methodists started as a way to find the true religion. Oliver is a true believer. YHWH knows better than us. I wonder if Oliver envied Joseph’s gift of translating. A slothful servant only asks what to do, and not studying it out beforehand. Jeremiah specifically brings out the Jews were kicked out the Jews for not keeping the land sabbaths. The Jews had a hard time keeping all of Torah. All of YHWH’s words supports each other. YHWH changes not. Brigham Young was a pawn of a Jesuit. Abraham and redeeming the first born son with Issac. If Yeshua did not do the atonement, the power of Torah would not be around. It is peace to know that you are doing right. It is peace to know that you are ding what YHWH wants. YHWH told Joseph Smith the modern day Elijah, the one in Malachi, to go figure it out. All Things is idiom for Torah. Little points to needing to rely upon YHWH Elohim. We need to think like the Hebrews to understand Hebrew scriptures. Greek thought, Hellenistic thought, has over taken the whole world. Not everything thing people claim Joseph Smith said he actually said. YHWH telling Joseph to do what the scriptures say. Faith is trust and diligence. If you don’t believe YHWH’s word is His word, you are showing doubt. Joseph Smith was not to restore everything, and didn’t restore the Lunar Sabbath. YHWH wants us to think about His word. Bosom is where the heart and the lungs are. Heart in Hebrew thought is where the thinking is done. Lungs is where the air is, which symbolic Torah. Everlasting burnings is being with YHWH. 1828 Webster’s Dictionary definition of feel deals to with mental. You can be manipulated by feelings. Feelings are very fleeting. People’s feeling about their religions is not because it’s true, it’s because they like it. Moroni 10:3-5, is about Torah is true. Stupor is about intellect which has to do mental. JS taught that the Holy Spirit has no other effect than pure intelligence. Burning is the transformation. You are not an old person with new excuses. When you find what is right, you change, you become a new person. Greek and Gnostic is just know it, Hebrew thought is about becoming and doing. Torah and gospel is about becoming. You will forget what is wrong because you will learn the truth. BoM sacred, and we are supposed to talk about it. We are to share what is sacred not to hid it. We are a patriot race. Go to the actual source, scriptures, to know what is correct. Oliver Cowdery never lost his testimony of the Book of Mormon and the truths in it. Oliver was ran out of the church by the Danites. Oliver thought Joseph Smith was associated with the Danites. Oliver left because of the Danites not because of sins. We are to use persuasion as stated in D&C LDS 121. There was no true church to go back with. They did not partake in the sins of the LDS / Brighamite church. Oliver will translate later. Oliver feared about the translation he did. YHWH gives men weakness that they may be humble. Sin is breaking Torah. Hair is symbolic of authority. It’s easy to look at other peoples faults and not our own. Lifted with timing goes with Rapture. Latin Vulgate is a very bad translation. Oliver was faithful to YHWH calling to him. This revelation shows that YHWH knows our minds and can reveal it to others. If Oliver told Joseph Smith what was on his mind, this section would not have helped him.

Links:

• Baptism for the Dead
• Law of Moses
• What is the Eternal Round
• Lectures on Faith 3
• Charlies and the Chocolate Factory
• Joseph Smith’s Last Dream
• Calendar
• Bishops are JUDGEs of Israel
• Moroni 10:3-5 is about Torah is true
  Scripture Study 2024-08-03
• Second Coming
• Churches

Transcript:

00:00:03 all right so today we’re going to go
00:00:05 over
00:00:06 dc9 uh it’s something that Zach uh
00:00:10 suggested um and we actually kind of
00:00:13 talked about it the other day but I felt
00:00:16 like it was important enough to do it
00:00:17 again today
00:00:19 and no one had anything else to go over
00:00:23 and everybody’s okay with it and there’s
00:00:24 some new people here so um it still be
00:00:28 good and sorry go Jack about this there
00:00:32 there was a
00:00:35 conundrum within it that we addressed
00:00:37 and we’re going to address it today too
00:00:39 uh correct yes do you want to bring out
00:00:42 what that conundrum is uh Zach just to
00:00:45 give people an
00:00:49 idea I think it’s I don’t remember it’s
00:00:52 um it has the word feel and yeah yeah
00:00:56 it’s go down down uh I’ll go find the
00:01:00 verse real quick hold
00:01:02 on
00:01:04 um that’s shown not talked
00:01:07 about um
00:01:09 yeah go go on up to verse eight that is
00:01:13 one verse eight you shall feel that it
00:01:16 is right but behold I say unto you that
00:01:17 you must study it out in your mind then
00:01:20 you must ask me if it be right and if it
00:01:21 is right I will cause it your bosom
00:01:23 shall burn within you therefore you
00:01:25 shall feel that it is right now um we
00:01:28 talked about this kind of nrum um in a
00:01:32 in an unrecorded session that where we
00:01:35 were all gathered together and uh we we
00:01:39 wanted we felt that this was important
00:01:40 enough to bring the light in a recorded
00:01:43 session for other people to watch Hey so
00:01:46 uh heads up uh this is going to be worth
00:01:49 your uh listen to come because we’re
00:01:52 just going to go verse by verse uh to
00:01:54 get the background and context um and
00:01:58 since uh since we we talking about we
00:02:00 already talked about it uh I have not
00:02:02 had time to do a kism on it beforehand
00:02:07 um I mean I can kind of see one just
00:02:08 generally looking but it still takes
00:02:10 time to work out the details so yeah t
00:02:13 it takes a little time to knock one of
00:02:15 those
00:02:16 out uh yeah some are quicker than others
00:02:19 but this is not the shortest so anyways
00:02:22 that’s fine so with that little
00:02:25 preview uh Zach are you fine reading
00:02:28 verse one for us
00:02:34 M behold I is y talking I sent to you my
00:02:39 son say Oliver that because you did not
00:02:43 translate according to that which you
00:02:45 desired of me and to commence again to
00:02:48 write for my servant Joseph Smith Jr
00:02:50 even so I would that you should continue
00:02:52 until you have finished this record
00:02:55 which I have entrusted unto him okay so
00:02:57 what there’s one thing that there’s
00:02:59 something that U that I see now that I
00:03:02 didn’t bring out last time when we were
00:03:05 talking about this it’s calling the
00:03:07 calling of Oliver calary my son when he
00:03:10 calls someone that when God calls
00:03:12 someone his son it’s not because they’re
00:03:13 his literal child it’s because they’re
00:03:16 following in his
00:03:18 ways correct
00:03:21 um this gets into lots of stuff but uh
00:03:24 the symbolism behind son or daughter or
00:03:28 child is a follower and uh so along
00:03:32 those lines let’s I’m going to change my
00:03:35 screen real
00:03:37 quick and we
00:03:39 become Sons and
00:03:42 Daughters uh yes we’re not born children
00:03:46 of
00:03:47 God correct sorry ELD sorry members of
00:03:51 the church you’ve got it wrong we’re not
00:03:54 born children of God yes so here’s some
00:03:59 actually
00:04:00 oh let that’s too many do my one either
00:04:06 314
00:04:07 um oh look I have it on my list of more
00:04:11 of the favorite ones uh since uh let me
00:04:14 make this a little bigger and maybe you
00:04:15 can read it
00:04:19 Zach is that good
00:04:22 size a little bit more still kind of
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00:04:27 okay funny funny
00:04:30 the funny thing is with my new glasses I
00:04:32 can actually read that s read that
00:04:34 sitting just sitting in a regular well
00:04:37 there you go that’s that’s better that’s
00:04:39 nice that that’s that is a nice size the
00:04:42 uh the other way I could still read it
00:04:45 okay all right um I’m glad your new
00:04:47 glasses are working well so Zach uh read
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00:04:52 314 hold on I am he who was prepared
00:04:55 from the foundation of the world to
00:04:56 redeem my people behold I am Jesus
00:04:59 Christ
00:05:00 or Yeshua I am the father and the son in
00:05:04 me shall all mankind have life and and
00:05:06 that
00:05:07 eternally even they Who Shall Believe on
00:05:10 my name and they shall become my
00:05:13 sons wa what what is that word again
00:05:17 become oh that’s what it’s all about
00:05:21 right becoming oh and then and then
00:05:23 earlier I love this behold I am Yeshua
00:05:26 hamashiach I am the father and the son
00:05:29 oh yeah yeah uh that’s um that’s a very
00:05:32 clear statement uh modalism right
00:05:35 there’s no ambiguity there’s no
00:05:37 ambiguity in that statement at all oh no
00:05:40 and it’s in the jst too so um anyways
00:05:44 he’s tell he’s
00:05:46 telling well brother Jared but but
00:05:49 through the telling telling us through
00:05:52 the brother Jared who exactly who he is
00:05:55 yeah correct yeah he is no way there
00:06:00 take yah Elohim even the very Yeshua
00:06:08 hamashiach yeah end of
00:06:11 story yeah I am the father and the son I
00:06:14 I I I I don’t know how you get around
00:06:17 that s i I don’t see how people could
00:06:18 misunderstand that but okay anyway well
00:06:21 I can is there false Traditions that
00:06:24 they have to hold on to because of who
00:06:26 they claim are prophets it’s because
00:06:29 they’re not actually reading the
00:06:30 scriptures they’re actually reading
00:06:32 their theology right that’s exactly what
00:06:35 it is yep yeah yeah um all right so uh
00:06:40 we become and there’s lots of verses
00:06:43 here and I mean if you really want I
00:06:45 have a whole big list uh yeah it keeps
00:06:50 going yeah the whole
00:06:52 plan don’t ever look at
00:06:55 scriptures no no no obviously not uh the
00:06:59 whole plan the but to get back to it the
00:07:02 whole plan is about
00:07:04 becoming yes yes in fact along those
00:07:08 LS
00:07:10 um becoming is integral of
00:07:18 Torah uh if not it it we all would have
00:07:22 to be perfect when we are born and I
00:07:24 don’t know about you I was not I know I
00:07:27 have rough edges and I’m working on
00:07:30 yeah I was going to say I’m pretty sure
00:07:32 I’m I mean I know for a fact I’m not
00:07:34 perfect now but I am
00:07:37 striving right right and that’s the
00:07:39 point is uh and becoming perfect is
00:07:43 becoming
00:07:44 Sanctified right right it’s not about
00:07:48 some mystical magical measure of
00:07:51 perfection that we can’t possibly
00:07:53 comprehend right well and then along
00:07:56 this line if Yeshua gives us a
00:08:00 Commandment that we can’t
00:08:02 do that would be unjust to for him to uh
00:08:07 command us to do it yes
00:08:13 100% so I I it’s
00:08:18 um yeah and uh first Nei 37 if I
00:08:22 remember correctly brings out how uh
00:08:25 Yeshua will never give us a command that
00:08:27 we can’t do that he’ll
00:08:30 Nephi 3:7 that is it exactly and uh
00:08:34 guess what that way is not by changing
00:08:38 Commandments no yeah it doesn’t it’s not
00:08:40 by changing the requirement uh by the
00:08:43 way the Commandments of God don’t
00:08:45 change um and and why is that because
00:08:48 God doesn’t change that’s why right and
00:08:51 just and and
00:08:54 um just because uh just because God
00:08:58 could and they and the god the
00:08:59 Commandments of God didn’t change just
00:09:01 because God took on
00:09:03 flesh right and then was and then had
00:09:05 that flesh killed for
00:09:08 us uh correct and what first John
00:09:12 something brings that out here I can
00:09:14 find
00:09:16 it uh because it’s in my one
00:09:24 note so since Ben you brought it up you
00:09:27 want to read that one there it is okay
00:09:30 uh let’s
00:09:33 see
00:09:34 and and hereby we do
00:09:38 know that we know him if we keep his
00:09:41 Commandments he that saith I know him
00:09:44 and keepeth not his Commandments is a
00:09:45 liar and the truth is not in him but who
00:09:48 so keepeth his
00:09:49 word in him verily is the love of Elohim
00:09:54 perfected hereby know we that we are in
00:09:58 him he saith he abideth in him ought
00:10:02 himself also to so to walk even as he
00:10:07 walked that’s a really open and shut
00:10:10 statement basically if Yeshua did it and
00:10:14 you say that you believe on his name and
00:10:16 you say you’re coming under his covering
00:10:18 you do it all right and uh just to add
00:10:21 some additional context that supports
00:10:23 that uh this was written after the death
00:10:27 and resurrection of Yeshua
00:10:30 now I know there’s debate uh about
00:10:33 whether we keep Torah after his death
00:10:35 and Resurrection but there is not a
00:10:37 debate before that and there’s no debate
00:10:41 here with John right and John’s saying
00:10:44 you need to live the way that he lived
00:10:46 before he
00:10:48 died which to be honest if you
00:10:53 believe this and there’s no jst here um
00:10:59 there really shouldn’t be a debate so
00:11:00 the Christians so the Christians don’t
00:11:02 even get that print out
00:11:05 sorry uh yeah in fact just FYI uh the
00:11:09 jst actually supports keeping Torah more
00:11:13 than the King
00:11:15 James yes or suppor keeping Torah if I
00:11:19 said that wrong anyways um than the King
00:11:22 James just go go look at all the King
00:11:25 James versus where Joseph Smith
00:11:28 corrected things it supports Torah way
00:11:31 more than uh King James
00:11:34 so yeah it’s like he’s trying to make
00:11:37 sure that the bible message is
00:11:40 actually um it actually runs
00:11:45 together uh well I I think that’s part
00:11:49 of I think it’s more he’s just restoring
00:11:50 how it was originally um right but in
00:11:56 that that uh brings out what Ben is
00:11:59 saying right yes right yes it’s
00:12:03 basically we’re saying the same thing in
00:12:04 different
00:12:05 ways uh I’m being more technical
00:12:09 [Laughter]
00:12:12 Timmy it’s all good though it’s all
00:12:16 good um okay so I think that’s good for
00:12:19 verse one
00:12:21 right yes yes yeah
00:12:24 yeah okay but anyways he he’s telling
00:12:26 them to keep uh being ascribe
00:12:30 at this time
00:12:31 right right well I think it’s
00:12:33 interesting that at one point uh
00:12:38 Oliver was able to
00:12:41 translate but then he kind of decided
00:12:44 not to we’ll kind of we’ll kind of go
00:12:46 into that a little bit yeah yeah yeah I
00:12:49 we don’t know for sure because I can’t
00:12:52 read people’s minds only Yahweh can do
00:12:55 that but I think uh Ben came up with a
00:12:59 good theory what happened on that but
00:13:01 anyways uh Josh are you willing to read
00:13:04 verse two
00:13:07 sure and then behold other records have
00:13:11 I that I will give unto you power that
00:13:13 you may assist to
00:13:16 translate okay this is a
00:13:19 prophecy
00:13:21 yeah and it’s not a prophecy of that
00:13:23 lifetime that’s a prophecy of the
00:13:27 Resurrection yeah so to be a little more
00:13:30 specific so I do believe this points to
00:13:34 Second Nephi
00:13:37 29 uh I don’t remember verse off top my
00:13:41 head but
00:13:47 um here let me pause recording for just
00:13:49 a second as I find the verse oops all
00:13:57 right okay so I found the verses that I
00:14:01 was thinking of it’s um second Epi 29:
00:14:06 12-13 uh I’ll go ahead and read it for
00:14:08 behold I Yahweh shall speak unto the
00:14:11 Jews and they shall write it upon a
00:14:15 stick anyways Ezekiel 37 and I shall
00:14:18 also speak unto the Nephites and they
00:14:20 shall write it upon his stick and I
00:14:22 shall also speak unto the other tribes
00:14:25 of the House of Israel which I have led
00:14:28 away
00:14:29 so not only did he lead um the high away
00:14:33 he led others away we just don’t know
00:14:36 about them and they shall write it upon
00:14:40 a stick and I shall also speak unto all
00:14:43 the nation wait a minute okay and he and
00:14:47 I Yahweh shall speak unto all nations of
00:14:50 the earth so they shall write it unto
00:14:52 sticks scriptures
00:14:55 so Yahweh is speaking unto the whole
00:14:58 world here
00:14:59 not just
00:15:01 Israel right um and and there are
00:15:05 instances that show that he speaks to
00:15:07 the whole world and not just Israel one
00:15:10 of those happening to be on Mount Si
00:15:13 where the entire world heard the trumpet
00:15:17 from Mount
00:15:18 Si and they saw the workings in the
00:15:25 sky uh yes um and so
00:15:30 that is some historical stuff that uh
00:15:32 Ben’s bringing out there it’s not in the
00:15:34 Hebrew scriptures but history proves
00:15:36 that out
00:15:39 yeah uh but also this goes with the the
00:15:44 Covenant that uh Yahweh made with Enoch
00:15:48 that the whole world would know the
00:15:50 gospel right
00:15:52 yes uh and I have a lot of that on my
00:15:55 baptism for the Dead uh resch page that
00:16:00 I’ll put in the links that you can go
00:16:02 read more about that as this is not the
00:16:04 main focus of this right but FYI this
00:16:08 does talk about how uh the whole world
00:16:11 knows the
00:16:12 truth right and so all these fancy
00:16:16 mechanisms that we come up with to make
00:16:19 sure that everybody’s had a chance to
00:16:21 quote unquote hear the truth uh are
00:16:24 unnecessary because y has already
00:16:27 thought of these things
00:16:29 yes and um he’s made covenants uh and
00:16:33 Promises
00:16:34 to past prophets um and this one I’m
00:16:38 bringing up right now is Enoch he’s also
00:16:40 spoke it through Lehi in second Nephi 2
00:16:43 and many others that yeah Yahweh makees
00:16:47 sure people will know what they need to
00:16:50 know before they were die which is him
00:16:53 and to know that they’ve had a chance
00:16:55 and what they’ve needed to know him
00:16:58 whether if they chose to follow him or
00:17:00 not right so yes right okay so moving on
00:17:05 all right uh 13 and it shall come to
00:17:08 pass that the Jews shall have the Stick
00:17:11 of the Nephites and the Nephites shall
00:17:13 have the Stick of the Jews oh I’m sorry
00:17:15 I’m changing the words uh speaking of
00:17:17 word anyways and the Nephites and the
00:17:20 Jews shall have the words of the Lost
00:17:23 tribes of Israel I do believe this is
00:17:27 what um is going on in dc9 with Oliver
00:17:32 calry okay this is what Oliver calry and
00:17:35 Joseph Smith will be instrumental and
00:17:37 bringing those forward yes um I do
00:17:40 believe so now I this is my speculation
00:17:45 I don’t know 100% but it makes sense to
00:17:49 me
00:17:51 okay and that’s something that one can
00:17:53 do as a as a resurrected being because
00:17:57 it’s not necessarily heavy lifting but
00:18:00 it’s just bringing bringing to light
00:18:03 things which have been hidden yeah
00:18:06 correct um so along those lines there I
00:18:10 when it gets to the after item on
00:18:13 diamond right our at diam there’s going
00:18:16 to be a lot of
00:18:17 resurrected Saints there and I said
00:18:20 Saints the Saints are those who kept
00:18:22 Torah okay yeah they weren’t members of
00:18:25 an
00:18:26 organization uh correct they are should
00:18:29 say striving to keep Torah um just to be
00:18:33 a little more technical to me but
00:18:35 anyways um and really striving not
00:18:37 coming up with excuses because it’s an
00:18:39 old law and not the new law which is
00:18:42 that’s a whole another discussion for
00:18:43 law of Moses and Torah
00:18:46 distinction another time another time uh
00:18:50 yes um
00:18:52 but um I believe the M strong will
00:18:55 translate the brass plates I believe
00:18:59 Joseph and Oliver will translate these
00:19:02 other records from the Lost tribes that
00:19:05 is a theory um but I think there’s
00:19:08 things
00:19:08 that at least support the
00:19:11 theory make it plausible
00:19:14 right well and this is the the main
00:19:18 thing about that is that there’s there’s
00:19:20 nothing in the wording of section nine
00:19:23 which makes this promise to Oliver calry
00:19:27 in any way conditional
00:19:31 uh correct I completely agree with that
00:19:33 and I think uh as we read through in
00:19:36 this we’ll talk some about some of the
00:19:37 history that I think supports that that
00:19:40 Ben’s better at that than I am
00:19:43 okay um so I and I would say assist to
00:19:49 translate as in Oliver’s actually going
00:19:52 to translate and not only be a scribed
00:19:56 right yeah right uh uh CU assistant now
00:20:01 this assist he’s not going to be the
00:20:03 primary translator he is going to be the
00:20:05 assistant translator and helper
00:20:07 translator
00:20:09 right um so but how that all works I
00:20:14 don’t know but he’s not the primary he’s
00:20:16 an assistant yeah but this is different
00:20:20 than being a scribe
00:20:22 okay
00:20:24 right uh Ben you want to read verse
00:20:26 three okay be patient my son for it is
00:20:29 wisdom in me and it is not expedient
00:20:32 that you should translate at this
00:20:34 present time and again again there it is
00:20:38 at this present time right yeah right so
00:20:42 I I mean this on the surface just quick
00:20:46 complain um you’re not
00:20:49 translating right now but that right now
00:20:53 uh has an
00:20:55 applied additional information to it
00:20:58 that you will will translate later yeah
00:21:04 right and uh as been stated there’s no
00:21:09 conditional statement in
00:21:11 that
00:21:12 no and also as been brought out in I
00:21:16 think it was verse one here’s
00:21:20 son AKA follower this is somebody who is
00:21:25 a devoted follower of Y yeah
00:21:30 right yeah yeah and so there there
00:21:32 there’s a lot of lies in the bite church
00:21:35 just about everything including about
00:21:38 Oliver
00:21:41 okay and I I I’ll let Ben decide when
00:21:44 it’s the best time to go over that
00:21:46 history but
00:21:48 anyways so uh this uh I’ll read verse
00:21:52 four behold the work which you Oliver
00:21:55 are called to do is to write
00:21:59 and be ascribed for my servant Joseph
00:22:02 Smith Jr so um this right here also uh
00:22:09 one thing I want to bring out is when
00:22:11 you go look at second Nephi
00:22:13 3 this shows how that is not about
00:22:17 Joseph
00:22:19 Smith uh
00:22:21 because Joseph Smith dictated and not
00:22:25 wrote the might strong sorry the Mighty
00:22:28 and strong one will write okay yeah yep
00:22:33 it’s a minor difference but it still is
00:22:35 an important difference right well yeah
00:22:39 second Nei 3 is about the mighty and
00:22:41 strong one it is not um and uh there are
00:22:45 certain things that if you’re looking at
00:22:47 it from a Greek perspective you would
00:22:49 think that it was Joseph Smith but if
00:22:51 you’re looking at it from a Hebrew
00:22:54 perspective then it changes things
00:22:56 entirely he’s not writing himself into
00:22:59 the he’s not writing himself into the
00:23:01 Bible there in Genesis chapter 50 he’s
00:23:04 actually correct and that is a prophecy
00:23:08 about the mighty and strong correct
00:23:11 which is um also it’s pretty close to
00:23:15 what’s in
00:23:17 um second second e53 uh
00:23:21 Lehi took stuff from that
00:23:26 and and the record of his own there’s a
00:23:29 little bit of his own prophecy woven in
00:23:31 there uh correct that’s a good way of
00:23:33 putting it uh Lehi added to it what
00:23:38 and that might not be the best way but
00:23:41 um not prophecy is not comp complete it
00:23:46 doesn’t give everything right and so we
00:23:49 get and by the way that that thing in
00:23:52 Deuteronomy where it says don’t add to
00:23:54 or take away from that’s in relation to
00:23:56 the
00:23:57 Commandments you cannot correct take
00:24:00 away from the Commandments yes
00:24:05 yes uh because uh we continually get
00:24:09 more Commandments I mean not sorry
00:24:14 prophecy Tong gets
00:24:16 twisted prophecy gets Contin prophecy is
00:24:20 Contin uh and then even on the
00:24:23 Commandments we can get deeper insights
00:24:25 about them yeah but he doesn’t add
00:24:28 command
00:24:29 correct it’s just deeper understanding
00:24:33 [Music]
00:24:37 yeah uh okay so I think that’s enough on
00:24:42 that so I think we’re on verse five um
00:24:47 Andrew are you able to read verse five
00:24:50 or is it not
00:24:51 convenient I can
00:24:53 read okay and behold it is because that
00:24:57 you did not continue as you commenced
00:25:01 when you began to translate that I have
00:25:03 taken away this privilege from you okay
00:25:07 so here is here’s a good place to bring
00:25:10 in a a theory that I have with regards
00:25:13 to why Oliver calry
00:25:18 um why Oliver calary did
00:25:23 uh did he didn’t continue in the way
00:25:26 that he began
00:25:28 uh in that
00:25:31 he started receiving he started
00:25:35 receiving the word he started receiving
00:25:36 the words he started seeing the
00:25:40 words but the words were um the
00:25:46 words were against his
00:25:49 Theology and so he began to second
00:25:54 guess and he did not continue in faith
00:25:58 and what he was
00:26:02 receiving that’s my theory about that
00:26:05 it’s not stated openly in the scriptures
00:26:07 but it is hinted at here that he did not
00:26:10 be continue in the way he
00:26:13 began and and and I agree uh I don’t
00:26:17 know myself
00:26:19 but trying to put myself in aliver Cal’s
00:26:25 shoes that makes sense and I think part
00:26:27 of the reason
00:26:29 and why it makes sense also is Joseph
00:26:33 Smith got four years of training to
00:26:36 prepare him to do this translation
00:26:39 Oliver
00:26:40 calry got none from what I know so he
00:26:44 wasn’t prepared to and know how to
00:26:48 handle what he would see contradict what
00:26:51 he believed and he was was it was it
00:26:55 meth I know you said Protestant right
00:26:58 was he was well methodists are
00:27:00 Protestants oh okay yeah yeah so but to
00:27:02 be specific he was a Methodist and so um
00:27:06 and J Smith was partial to the Methodist
00:27:08 so there’s good there’s good there right
00:27:11 um but there’s also some
00:27:13 problems and I don’t know if we know
00:27:17 what verses he translated actually the
00:27:23 work
00:27:24 of um Royal scowen might show us that so
00:27:28 we could maybe look at that after we do
00:27:30 this we can pause the recording and see
00:27:32 if we can find it and go over it and so
00:27:35 possibly it really did go against some
00:27:37 of his theology right to kind of help
00:27:40 prove out that theory or
00:27:42 not
00:27:44 um I I I would prefer to save that at
00:27:46 the end since we didn’t prepare that I’m
00:27:48 just proposing it now um but that that’s
00:27:51 a possibility to look in to see if the
00:27:53 theory is still plausible right right
00:27:58 but uh it’s something that to me it’s
00:28:00 something that to me makes sense given
00:28:02 human
00:28:03 nature yeah and it makes sense to me too
00:28:07 but uh I I
00:28:12 am
00:28:14 guessing I think it’s educated guessing
00:28:17 but it is guessing nonetheless
00:28:21 right and and like I said I’m not you
00:28:25 know it’s
00:28:26 um this is is something that I this is
00:28:29 something that I believe to be true
00:28:31 based on human nature and based on the
00:28:33 contents of the Book of Mormon versus
00:28:34 the contents of any versus the Theology
00:28:37 of any of the existing religions which
00:28:40 by the way methodism was not originally
00:28:42 started as a religion but as a method
00:28:44 for finding true religion um oh maybe
00:28:48 that’s partly why it has the name it has
00:28:50 so yeah um but that’s that’s just a
00:28:55 little uh that’s just another little
00:28:57 side bit from history
00:29:02 um it’s just that the followers of John
00:29:05 Wesley loved his method so much that
00:29:07 they built a religion around it so uh
00:29:11 sure sure instead of doing what he Pro T
00:29:14 they Twisted it some that never
00:29:18 happens no not at
00:29:21 all yeah so that’s there there’s just
00:29:25 that’s that’s a little something for all
00:29:27 your his Buffs out there
00:29:32 um all right okay all right so
00:29:37 um so Josh will you read the next
00:29:41 verse that would be verse
00:29:44 six
00:29:46 yes do not murmur my son for it is
00:29:50 wisdom in me that I have dealt with you
00:29:53 after this
00:29:55 manner so um yet again although he has
00:30:00 some erors in his
00:30:03 Theology and maybe not exactly liking
00:30:06 what’s going on he’s still a dedicated
00:30:09 follower right yes yeah and also again
00:30:14 uh I I like this for it is wisdom in me
00:30:17 that I have dealt with you after this
00:30:19 manner I don’t know how many times I’ve
00:30:22 said something similar to my
00:30:26 children uh
00:30:30 you know it’s very
00:30:34 much for the purposes of getting for the
00:30:37 purposes of getting accomplished what I
00:30:39 what we need to accomplish this is why
00:30:42 for the
00:30:43 purposes I see a wise purpose in doing
00:30:46 this you may not but you’ll see the
00:30:49 wisdom in it later
00:30:52 right um and that’s basically the idea
00:30:57 behind that it’s is wisdom in me that I
00:31:00 have dealt with you after this manner
00:31:03 and the other reason why it’s wisdom in
00:31:04 him that he dealt with him after and
00:31:06 that’s another clue as to what
00:31:08 potentially was the
00:31:10 problem he didn’t want Oliver calary to
00:31:15 become yeah I
00:31:17 mean Oliver calry was having serious
00:31:20 second guessing because of the
00:31:24 differences between the doctrine being
00:31:26 brought out in the Book of Mormon on the
00:31:28 doctrines he was raised with
00:31:31 well and this is speculation on my part
00:31:35 here I wonder if he envied Joseph’s gift
00:31:42 some eny might have played a part in
00:31:46 that and so Yahweh gave him a taste of
00:31:49 it to let him know it’s
00:31:52 uh there’s more to it than what you’re
00:31:55 seeing right um right and the following
00:31:58 verse kind of backs that
00:32:02 up following verse after verse six kind
00:32:05 of backs that up a little bit behold you
00:32:07 have not understood you have supposed I
00:32:09 would give it unto
00:32:11 you when you took no thought say it was
00:32:14 to ask
00:32:18 me right and so this gets along with um
00:32:24 a slothful servant right
00:32:27 [Music]
00:32:29 that uh all you do is just ask instead
00:32:32 of trying to do stuff yourself first
00:32:34 right well and here’s the other thing is
00:32:38 um this whole idea of taking no thought
00:32:42 that’s
00:32:43 uh somewhat symptomatic of Christianity
00:32:46 in general
00:32:48 um uh they they
00:32:53 take they literally don’t try to they
00:32:56 literally at they literally try I I I
00:32:59 swear they try not to think about their
00:33:02 scriptures they try not to think out
00:33:05 outside of the box of their theology
00:33:07 about their
00:33:09 scriptures uh well that’s not just
00:33:11 Christians that’s uh Jews too so any
00:33:15 anyways well yeah but but yeah I’m not
00:33:19 saying the Jews are great nobody said
00:33:21 anything about the Jews being great
00:33:25 um they they didn’t get it right right
00:33:28 uh nobody got it right if they if they
00:33:31 had got it if they gotten it right they
00:33:33 wouldn’t have been driven out of the
00:33:34 they would not have been driven out of
00:33:35 the
00:33:37 land uh well
00:33:41 so in my opinion okay um there’s a
00:33:45 difference between obeying the
00:33:47 Commandments for the right reasons and
00:33:50 understanding them right so they were
00:33:54 driven out because they didn’t keep them
00:33:56 for the right reason
00:33:58 let alone not keeping them right because
00:34:01 along with that uh Jeremiah brings out
00:34:05 specifically that they were kicked out
00:34:07 for not keeping the land Sabbath yeah
00:34:10 they weren’t keeping the land Sabbath
00:34:12 they were they were also they also
00:34:14 weren’t keeping they also were doing a
00:34:15 pretty crappy job of keeping the Ten
00:34:18 Commandments I I well yes and that’s
00:34:21 part of the Ten Commandments actually
00:34:23 but uh yes I agree but but the other I
00:34:27 basically said basically meant the other
00:34:28 10 oh yeah they they had a hard time
00:34:31 keeping all of
00:34:32 it yeah had hard time I think a better
00:34:35 way to say it is they had a hard time
00:34:37 keeping any of it uh yes yes thank you
00:34:41 Josh yeah there go I knew somebody would
00:34:45 be able to simplify the message soon
00:34:47 enough any of
00:34:50 it it’s just like
00:34:53 wow yeah but there the issue is though
00:34:56 is you have to think it out you you you
00:35:00 have to not only stud out but you have
00:35:04 to think it out in relation to the rest
00:35:06 of scripture you know the old forms the
00:35:09 new the new informs the old everything
00:35:11 works together oh yeah all of yahweh’s
00:35:14 word supports each other right
00:35:19 yeah because because his word is one
00:35:22 Eternal Rod it doesn’t
00:35:26 change uh
00:35:28 yes it it and he’s
00:35:32 consistent yes so you know where you
00:35:36 stand yeah right and then in lectures on
00:35:40 faith uh we could look at if you wanted
00:35:43 but um it brings I think it’s three or
00:35:46 four brings out how if Yahweh changes
00:35:50 his ways you can’t have faith unto
00:35:52 salvation so hold
00:35:55 on that’s that’s that’s
00:35:59 three okay lecture
00:36:05 three uh but
00:36:08 equally oh yeah so here’s I think that’s
00:36:12 the one um you want to read that one Ben
00:36:15 okay but it is equally as NE but it is
00:36:18 equally as necessary that men should
00:36:21 have the idea that he is a God that CH
00:36:23 who changes not in order to have wait
00:36:25 wait wait wait wait a minute so
00:36:29 he changes
00:36:30 not yeah uh and that has nothing to do
00:36:33 with his underwear uh that has to
00:36:39 do I I think that has to do with his
00:36:42 character uh his behavior and his attri
00:36:46 the whole this whole lecture is about
00:36:47 his character and attributes so that’s
00:36:50 what doesn’t change right not it yeah
00:36:53 it’s not that other
00:36:55 thing right so it is it is equally as
00:36:59 necessary that men should have the idea
00:37:01 that God that he is a God who changes
00:37:03 not in order to have faith in him as it
00:37:06 is to believe as it is to have the IDE
00:37:08 wait wait wait a
00:37:11 minute like we can only have faith if we
00:37:15 believe he doesn’t change right and this
00:37:19 idea is just as important as the idea
00:37:22 that he is gracious and
00:37:26 longsuffering
00:37:28 important I agree with you but I’m just
00:37:31 I’m Drilling in a point for people right
00:37:35 while being funny about it y um that
00:37:39 this changes not Joseph
00:37:42 Smith saw this as a really big deal
00:37:46 which is contrary what goes along in the
00:37:48 restoration a lot and just Christian him
00:37:51 in general but sadly in the restoration
00:37:54 a lot today that they think God is a
00:37:56 changing god well do you expect when
00:37:58 they start what do you expect when the
00:38:00 restoration is embraced the early
00:38:01 Christian
00:38:03 fathers uh yes and that’s uh really
00:38:07 really really sad and the reason why
00:38:10 they had to embrace the early Christian
00:38:12 fathers is because they could not find
00:38:14 real justification for baptisms for the
00:38:16 dead outside of the Gnostic sects of
00:38:20 Christianity right right which
00:38:23 because the scriptures including the
00:38:26 Martin ones includ including jst Book of
00:38:29 Mormon and DNC actually speak out
00:38:31 against baptisms for the dead yes yes
00:38:35 but uh I do believe that baptism the
00:38:38 dead got put into the restoration
00:38:40 because briam
00:38:42 young was a pawn of a Jesuit yes yes so
00:38:47 let’s uh but let’s finish this verse
00:38:49 here because the outside of that point
00:38:53 that it is equally as necessary that men
00:38:55 should have the idea that he is is a God
00:38:57 who changes not in order to have faith
00:38:59 in him as it is to have the idea that he
00:39:02 is gracious and longsuffering for
00:39:04 without the idea of unchangeableness in
00:39:07 the character of
00:39:08 deity doubt would take the place of
00:39:12 Faith oh and have we not seen that have
00:39:15 we not seen that in today’s world that
00:39:19 doubt has time every day you see it
00:39:23 every day but without the but with the
00:39:26 idea that he changes not Faith lays hold
00:39:30 upon the excellencies in his
00:39:32 character with unshaken
00:39:36 confidence believing that he is the same
00:39:38 yesterday unshaken like uh there’s no
00:39:41 issues with the confidence
00:39:43 because we know exactly what he expects
00:39:47 of us yep believing that he is the same
00:39:50 yesterday today and forever and that his
00:39:53 course is one Eternal round now the
00:39:55 interesting thing is about
00:39:58 this whole one of the greatest promises
00:40:03 associated with the idea of the
00:40:05 unchangeableness of
00:40:10 God is
00:40:14 behold is found in
00:40:16 Isaiah it says
00:40:20 behold behold
00:40:22 I Y elu change not
00:40:28 therefore Israel is not
00:40:33 destroyed so Israel cheated on him and
00:40:37 he had to divorce them and had to die
00:40:41 and remake the Covenant he did not
00:40:44 destroy
00:40:46 them and
00:40:48 is going off of Romans 7 if I remember
00:40:56 correctly um
00:40:59 oh
00:41:01 yeah um Yahweh had a Yahweh knew what
00:41:07 was going to happen before it happened
00:41:09 he knows all from the beginning to the
00:41:12 end um he had and he and he had to die
00:41:16 that his word be
00:41:24 good and also and also
00:41:27 for us it was for him and for
00:41:34 us yeah correct yeah yeah and we can get
00:41:38 that from the scriptures that he did it
00:41:40 for his own purposes and for us
00:41:43 um and that that’s
00:41:45 fine I I’m grateful that he did
00:41:48 it
00:41:50 yeah I I’d be in hell if he didn’t um so
00:41:54 one thing no that’s and this is why
00:41:57 Yeshua who is yaha in the
00:42:00 flesh
00:42:02 says I go now to my father or I can or
00:42:06 the or I cannot I’m paraphrasing or I
00:42:10 cannot or the Holy Ghost cannot come
00:42:12 among
00:42:13 you yes um so can I add a little bit
00:42:17 unless if you’re done with that I want
00:42:18 to add some more if that’s okay yeah go
00:42:20 ahead guys go ahead um yeah yeah uh
00:42:23 because I know where you got it from but
00:42:25 anyways um so so that statement is I
00:42:28 would say very
00:42:30 misunderstood and so that’s bringing out
00:42:33 to the apostles that and and this
00:42:37 applies to everybody if Yeshua had not
00:42:41 put his horns into the thicket as
00:42:44 pointing back to Abraham and Isaac which
00:42:49 is another controversy that um he was
00:42:52 basically uh Yahweh told Abraham
00:42:57 to redeem his son with the offerings for
00:43:02 that but Abraham misunderstood it I’ll
00:43:04 leave it at that okay um
00:43:08 but a ram is also one of the possible um
00:43:14 offerings for the Redemption of the
00:43:16 firstborn okay
00:43:19 um
00:43:21 but
00:43:23 Yeshua had to do this to make
00:43:29 Torah what’s the best way of putting it
00:43:32 to make it
00:43:34 effective yes um because if Yeshua have
00:43:38 not done the atonement and have done the
00:43:41 perfect example of Torah everything
00:43:43 would have fallen apart and thus no one
00:43:47 would have the
00:43:49 peace and joy of the atonement and
00:43:55 Torah yes Torah does Give Peace
00:43:58 because it
00:44:01 is peace to know that you are doing what
00:44:05 is
00:44:06 right yes it is peace to know where you
00:44:11 stand with God if you are walking in his
00:44:15 ways you are walking with him and you
00:44:18 are his friend you are his son and
00:44:22 daughter son or
00:44:24 daughter as the case may be
00:44:27 uh if if you’re walking in his ways you
00:44:31 are his friend and he will look after
00:44:36 you
00:44:39 yeah so that one statement is about how
00:44:43 if yesu wouldn’t have done the
00:44:44 atonement the power of Torah wouldn’t be
00:44:49 there because no one would have kept it
00:44:51 perfectly going through a
00:44:53 test right right right
00:45:03 um so that goes along with that
00:45:08 um so on verse seven though I want to
00:45:12 bring out here uh this goes along with
00:45:15 Joseph Smith and DC 59 so I actually
00:45:20 would prefer Ben delete that one because
00:45:21 I know that’s one of his
00:45:23 favorites and and I bet you can see the
00:45:27 connection that I’m uh wanting to bring
00:45:29 out right Ben which particular
00:45:32 verse uh so all of it uh seven where
00:45:37 seven oh in 59 I don’t have it’s the
00:45:40 latter ones but he’s like go study the
00:45:43 scriptures and find out oh yeah yep yep
00:45:45 okay 59 21 to 22 okay yeah okay so you
00:45:49 have it a little more ah I’m my so I am
00:45:53 remote that’s why we’re not doing
00:45:56 cameras cuz my internet’s not the best
00:45:58 and I’m on a touchpad that’s why
00:46:00 clicking is not the best too
00:46:03 so anyways um touchpad is not my
00:46:07 favorite it is convenient oh look at
00:46:10 speaking of it not being
00:46:13 convenient I mean the best it’s
00:46:15 convenient because you don’t have to
00:46:17 carry around a mouse but it’s not the
00:46:19 best um there we go okay there we are
00:46:23 there we are I think you said 21 22 or
00:46:26 something like that 21 and 22 yes okay
00:46:29 so go ahead and leave that but it’s
00:46:31 basically it goes along with verse seven
00:46:34 and how um
00:46:37 even Joseph Smith the prophet of the
00:46:40 restoration the Elisha of today the
00:46:44 Elijah told Elijah oh yeah Elijah sorry
00:46:48 I sometimes I get those the Elijah
00:46:51 Elisha mix up the Elijah sorry thank you
00:46:53 for the correction uh the modern day
00:46:56 Elijah
00:46:58 that is in Prophecy including
00:47:01 Malachi was
00:47:04 told go figure it out I’m not going to
00:47:06 tell you everything go figure it out
00:47:09 right and here it is and in
00:47:12 nothing do God doth man offend God
00:47:16 nothing doth man offend God or against
00:47:19 none is his wrath
00:47:22 kindled save those who confess not his
00:47:26 hand
00:47:27 in all
00:47:29 things
00:47:31 Torah wait a minute that is almost all
00:47:35 of Christianity who will not so but but
00:47:39 we’re after the death and resurrection
00:47:41 of
00:47:42 Yeshua they do not confess his hand in
00:47:45 Torah they have offended God right right
00:47:48 and and in addition here is yway telling
00:47:51 Joseph Smith I mean we haven’t got all
00:47:53 of this out yet but to go read
00:47:57 the past
00:47:58 scriptures to know what to do about the
00:48:01 Sabbath now Joseph Smith fig but anyway
00:48:03 this is confess not we’d only gotten to
00:48:05 confess not his hand in all things oh
00:48:07 okay I’m sorry I’m getting ahead of you
00:48:08 my bad I’ll let you so th this is so if
00:48:14 we don’t want to offend God then we have
00:48:16 to admit according to this verse that he
00:48:21 made
00:48:23 Torah that Torah is not not null and
00:48:28 void it is his word his word is never
00:48:31 null and void
00:48:34 correct oh and subsequently obey not his
00:48:40 Commandments those who do not confess
00:48:42 his hand in all things will not obey his
00:48:46 Commandments because all things
00:48:49 reference to
00:48:50 Torah Sor go ahead Josh I said isn’t all
00:48:54 things a reference to Torah anyway yeah
00:48:57 that’s what I’m saying uh yes in fact
00:48:59 this does bring out how it Torah is his
00:49:03 yeah I yeah that’s that’s I think I just
00:49:05 brought that out and that those who
00:49:07 confess not is hand in all things and I
00:49:09 said
00:49:10 Torah and I think Josh is just making it
00:49:13 more obvious that’s all oh okay that’s
00:49:15 what you’re doing okay yeah I agree yeah
00:49:18 it’s it to me it’s obvious that it’s
00:49:21 Torah a lot of people will think that
00:49:23 it’s NE it’s talking about oh his hand
00:49:25 is in the deer and the tree and the and
00:49:29 that little Pebble in your shoe right
00:49:32 yeah well for after one thing uh after
00:49:36 we figure something out or got taught
00:49:38 something it’s easy to see it after it’s
00:49:42 this bringing in obvious ad Jed is for
00:49:45 those who haven’t realized and come
00:49:48 across these other teaching those who
00:49:50 confess all things is a idiom in the Old
00:49:56 Testament for Torah yeah so uh just to
00:49:59 show I I have done my research on this
00:50:03 um and I do have a recording on it that
00:50:07 I oops let me so let
00:50:12 me uh I don’t like touchpad
00:50:16 sorry uh it could it it could be worse
00:50:20 uh yeah anyways
00:50:25 um so
00:50:30 okay okay so I here’s a lot of examples
00:50:34 that when you go read
00:50:37 how uh all things and you read the
00:50:40 context it is Torah and these are some
00:50:42 of my favorites but there’s many
00:50:46 more um so there’s a lot and it’s both
00:50:50 in the Bible Book of Mormon it’s in the
00:50:54 DNC uh it’s in the J
00:50:57 New Testament anyways it’s in a lot ofes
00:51:00 so just to throw all of the Just throw a
00:51:03 bone to you to all you people who who
00:51:07 say all things is simply all things yes
00:51:10 it is it’s also
00:51:12 Torah right yeah so it depends on
00:51:15 context right
00:51:18 um and the thing that God is most
00:51:21 worried about is for us
00:51:23 to do all things that he Comm us right I
00:51:28 mean that’s in the book of Moses and
00:51:31 that is
00:51:32 Torah yep
00:51:35 yeah minute
00:51:38 y yeah let me one
00:51:46 second okay so we just covered
00:51:50 how confessing not his hand in all
00:51:52 things is both in in the creation of all
00:51:56 things but also in Torah the creation of
00:51:59 Torah
00:52:00 specifically so actually can I interject
00:52:03 something because I I’ve been working on
00:52:05 Isaiah 28 some um so let me
00:52:11 uh one
00:52:14 um let me change my screen share
00:52:18 sorry H
00:52:20 this
00:52:22 there
00:52:23 um and
00:52:26 find oh boy I got a I got a lot of stuff
00:52:29 here let
00:52:31 me yeah okay let me let me pause so I
00:52:33 can find the right one instead of just
00:52:35 wasting people’s time one
00:52:37 second okay Okay no Okay so I found the
00:52:43 tab I wanted it’s on yesu and Paul but
00:52:45 anyways so Isaiah
00:52:48 28 as in b and here talking about
00:52:52 Reliance so there’s this statement that
00:52:55 gets St ated right uh precept upon pre
00:53:00 so this Isaiah 289 through3 kism I’m
00:53:03 just going to focus on this one part uh
00:53:06 verse 10 and it’s basically duplicated
00:53:10 in verse 13 so uh for precept or
00:53:14 commandment be upon commandment so
00:53:17 you’re learning a bits and pieces of the
00:53:20 whole Torah at a time line is about
00:53:24 standard and then when you go look at um
00:53:27 the culture for little or the Hebrew
00:53:29 rude behind word behind it which I can
00:53:32 get it up in Bible Hub if you want maybe
00:53:35 I should but it talks about
00:53:39 Reliance yep that Yahweh does want us to
00:53:44 recognize where things are coming from
00:53:46 and that it’s from him yes so in fact
00:53:50 let’s let me pause again and I I’ll just
00:53:52 show that in Bible Hub so people can see
00:53:54 I’m not just making this stuff up yeah
00:53:56 that it it’s perfectly supportive of
00:53:58 what I’m bringing forward here yeah yeah
00:54:00 and that’s why I’m bringing it up and
00:54:01 plus it’s something I was I’m just
00:54:02 working on right now so it’s kind of top
00:54:04 of my
00:54:05 head it’s a a happy coincidence yeah
00:54:14 yeah okay so let’s go to verse
00:54:20 10 and
00:54:22 then go to
00:54:25 little h
00:54:29 uh and
00:54:32 then cuz I don’t want to try to read it
00:54:35 all to find
00:54:37 it here so cultural and histal
00:54:41 background uh so this is the Hebrew
00:54:44 word uh
00:54:46 2191 zir did I say that
00:54:50 right anyways yeah but the cultural yes
00:54:53 here yes yeah uh which is the little
00:54:56 smallness insignificant right anyways
00:54:59 cultural and this word is used yeah I
00:55:02 like how this brings it out go ahead and
00:55:04 read it but I I like how that brings
00:55:06 this out yeah the cultural and
00:55:09 historical background in ancient Hebrew
00:55:12 culture the concept of smallness or
00:55:15 insignificant was used to emphasize
00:55:18 humility and the need for Reliance on
00:55:22 Elohim because we are small just as
00:55:25 Moses said after seeing the works of God
00:55:29 that men is nothing I never had supposed
00:55:32 it right yeah you know and that’s and
00:55:36 that’s interesting that even Moses the
00:55:38 meekest of men had never before supposed
00:55:42 that man was nothing before the before
00:55:45 his before his Visionary experience
00:55:47 which in which he received
00:55:50 Genesis
00:55:54 right so
00:55:56 it’s just
00:55:59 something there’s a lot of meaning
00:56:01 behind these words and when we don’t
00:56:03 know the
00:56:05 culture and idioms and all this other
00:56:07 stuff it’s very easy to misunderstand
00:56:11 the scriptures um because we unless you
00:56:14 put effort into it at least for me
00:56:17 because I grew up a helist or a
00:56:19 Greek I need to put effort into the
00:56:22 Hebrew way of thinking to understand
00:56:24 Hebrew uh words and thought processes
00:56:28 right yeah I mean we even those who are
00:56:32 blood descendants of
00:56:35 Israel are infected with the Greek mind
00:56:39 virus uh yes
00:56:42 um it because there was a lot of Jews
00:56:45 that wanted it and even
00:56:47 today uh as in I I’m this is going to be
00:56:51 bad of me but I’m going do it anyways uh
00:56:53 is it violet yeah Violet from
00:56:56 Charlie Chocolate Factory she represents
00:56:59 the Greeks and she turned into a big
00:57:01 blue ball because the Greek thought
00:57:04 which is why she’s chewing that the Jaws
00:57:07 do were thinking uh has gone all over
00:57:10 the whole
00:57:11 world
00:57:14 yep yep so yeah anyways
00:57:22 um so sorry about that I’m going to give
00:57:26 back to
00:57:27 you okay well I mean that was a that was
00:57:30 a good U that was a good little U that
00:57:33 was a good little thing there uh
00:57:37 so so those who confess not his hand in
00:57:40 all things and so this means in the
00:57:43 creation of all things um and all things
00:57:47 in our lives but also specifically
00:57:52 Torah that he created Torah now it the
00:57:55 thing is is if we don’t acknowledge that
00:57:57 he created Torah we’re not going to keep
00:57:59 his Commandments that’s why he says
00:58:01 Those Who confess not his hand in all
00:58:03 things and Obey not his Commandments sub
00:58:06 this is a subsequent thing to confessing
00:58:09 not his hand in all
00:58:14 things the one follows the other if we
00:58:18 don’t believe that he that he created
00:58:21 Torah we’re not going to keep his
00:58:23 Commandments
00:58:26 and we’ll still think that honoring
00:58:31 him and therefore we are offending him
00:58:34 because we’re misrepresenting
00:58:39 him correct um yeah it’s
00:58:46 that’s so that’s what offends him that’s
00:58:49 what Kindles his
00:58:51 wrath behold this behold this obeying
00:58:55 the command
00:58:56 all things Torah is according to the law
00:58:59 and the prophets law and the prophets is
00:59:01 a code word it’s it’s code hebraic code
00:59:06 for the Old
00:59:09 Testament um
00:59:12 so I I I know why Ben says that I I
00:59:17 I it it includes that and I think it
00:59:21 also includes the Book of Mormon and the
00:59:24 DNC and the New Testament
00:59:27 um reason I say the reason I go back to
00:59:31 the Old Testament is because it’s the
00:59:32 basis it’s the
00:59:34 foundation um upon which everything else
00:59:39 builds
00:59:41 um well I if you’re contradicting the
00:59:44 Old Testament you’re not coming from
00:59:46 Yahweh um that’s for sure and um and and
00:59:50 along those lines in the New Testament
00:59:52 Yeshua stated if you don’t believe Moses
00:59:54 you don’t believe me
00:59:56 um right but the way that I would read
00:59:59 the law and the prophets is according to
01:00:02 Torah and how the prophets have uh
01:00:04 expounded it right and and and that’s a
01:00:08 perfectly good reading of that yeah yeah
01:00:11 um because I I I would include Joseph
01:00:14 Smith with that to be
01:00:16 honest yeah I and I and I I tend I tend
01:00:20 to though there are things that are
01:00:23 attributed to Joseph Smith that I tend
01:00:25 to not take so seriously because they
01:00:27 contradict uh what is oh yeah yeah yes
01:00:30 uh uh not everything people said about
01:00:35 Joseph Smith or not
01:00:38 everything people
01:00:41 claim Joseph Smith said he actually
01:00:44 said right so so this is what offends
01:00:48 God confess not his hand in Torah and
01:00:52 and not obeying his Commandments and
01:00:53 this is according to the this is
01:00:55 according to the holy scriptures just
01:00:58 we’ll just simplify it that first line
01:01:00 of that of verse 22 that way this is
01:01:03 according to the holy
01:01:05 scriptures wherefore trouble me no more
01:01:08 concerning this
01:01:11 matter what wait what what what you mean
01:01:16 if it’s written in the word we shouldn’t
01:01:18 ask whether we should be doing
01:01:21 it uh yeah yeah this is where Yahweh is
01:01:25 telling Joseph
01:01:27 Smith uh you mean do what’s in the
01:01:31 scriptures you mean I don’t have great
01:01:33 faith when I ask yahwah whether I should
01:01:36 do something that the scriptures
01:01:41 say okay so this is where um uh we need
01:01:46 to Define faith faith is trust and
01:01:48 diligence and if you that’s
01:01:51 right um and if you are trusting in
01:01:54 yahweh’s word and then doing it that is
01:01:57 Faith right exactly when you’re praying
01:02:02 because you doubt that yah’s word is his
01:02:05 word you’re not showing
01:02:08 Faith uh correct you’re showing
01:02:11 doubt
01:02:15 yes so that is that that is this is why
01:02:20 he
01:02:21 says if it’s in the
01:02:23 scriptures don’t trouble me about it
01:02:28 sure sure well I I I do believe this is
01:02:31 correct and valid uh but there’s other
01:02:35 casions where Joseph Smith did pray
01:02:37 about things that were already in the
01:02:39 scriptures and he answered them yes but
01:02:42 that’s be but that’s because Joseph
01:02:43 Smith was not understanding it was more
01:02:47 along the lines he was looking for
01:02:49 understanding of what was in the
01:02:50 scriptures or
01:02:54 authorization this is what how I take it
01:02:56 because there’s there’s times of both
01:03:00 what I see is going on here Joseph Smith
01:03:03 this is something Joseph Smith was not
01:03:04 to
01:03:06 restore okay well
01:03:10 that’s but what he’s also saying is that
01:03:13 it’s in the law and the prophets and you
01:03:14 can stud it out oh I I completely agree
01:03:17 uh it’s already in the
01:03:19 scriptures uh and so I I will this is my
01:03:23 opinion I think this is a soft answer s
01:03:25 to speak to Yahweh because it was not
01:03:28 time to restore it and it wasn’t
01:03:30 supposed to be restored through Joseph
01:03:32 Smith I do believe this will be restored
01:03:34 through the mighty strong one of when
01:03:37 the Sabbath is um
01:03:40 okay so but I I agree it’s already in
01:03:43 the scriptures God didn’t give him
01:03:46 incorrect answer talking on a I I’m not
01:03:51 necessarily talking necessarily about
01:03:53 the uh Sabbath issue per se
01:03:56 I’m talking about General basis I’m
01:03:59 talking kind of on a general basis okay
01:04:03 I can see that but this section is
01:04:05 specifically the Sabbath but anyways
01:04:07 this section the question that prompted
01:04:09 this section is the Sabbath but the
01:04:11 section goes over the entirety goes over
01:04:14 most of the Ten
01:04:15 Commandments and it talks a lot about
01:04:18 Sabbath I agree I agree but I do think
01:04:22 this answerers specifically about the
01:04:24 Sabbath um right where in
01:04:28 scriptures at the same time a principle
01:04:30 applies oh I agree I agree it’s
01:04:33 specifically the Sabbath but the
01:04:36 principle applies to everything I
01:04:38 completely agree with you yeah the
01:04:40 principle is that if it is in the
01:04:43 scriptures you’re not showing Faith by
01:04:46 questioning
01:04:51 it instead of you’re showing you show
01:04:54 your faith when you believe God’s word
01:04:58 to be God’s word and you conform your
01:05:00 life to
01:05:03 it that’s the
01:05:07 principle uh correct correct uh so
01:05:10 there’s multiple things going on here
01:05:11 there’s the general and then there’s a
01:05:13 specific but
01:05:17 yeah specific to the Sabbath day it
01:05:20 wasn’t the time correct because there’s
01:05:23 other times he got the answer
01:05:26 so why not this one I would and my
01:05:29 personal opinion is because Joe Smith
01:05:31 wasn’t to restore it because he wasn’t
01:05:33 to restore everything as brought out in
01:05:34 first n513 something I can’t remember
01:05:38 where exactly right
01:05:41 um
01:05:45 yeah anyways the the big thing that
01:05:47 connects back to DNC
01:05:50 97 is that is the general principle
01:05:56 study out in the scriptures don’t ask me
01:05:58 stud out in the
01:05:59 scriptures and then you can ask him if
01:06:03 it’s right because let’s go back to
01:06:04 Doctrine Covenant section n because
01:06:06 that’s the very next verse
01:06:10 okay then you can study it out and see
01:06:13 if it’s
01:06:14 right which goes along with what’s going
01:06:17 on in DNC 59 right so I’ll I’ll read
01:06:21 this one uh verse eight uh but behold I
01:06:26 Yahweh say unto you Joseph Smith that oh
01:06:29 I mean sorry Oliver calary my bad is
01:06:31 through Joseph Smith to Oliver calary
01:06:33 that you must study it out in your mind
01:06:36 oh wait that’s what we just saw in DNC
01:06:38 59 right yes that is correct then you
01:06:44 you know he says study it out in your
01:06:46 mind but I think he he wants your mind
01:06:49 to meet his in the
01:06:52 word uh yes
01:06:56 it so Hebrew meditation is thinking upon
01:06:59 yahweh’s word it’s not like Eastern
01:07:02 meditation where you empty your mind
01:07:04 that allows demons to deceive you
01:07:07 because you don’t have anything to
01:07:09 discern
01:07:12 right right so so this is when he says
01:07:16 study it out in your mind he’s talking
01:07:18 about meditating on Torah
01:07:21 daily uh yeah I think that’s another way
01:07:24 of saying it completely
01:07:27 and then you must ask me if it is
01:07:32 right then and if it is right
01:07:37 correct I Yahweh will cause your bosom
01:07:40 shall burn within you so now this is
01:07:44 interesting uh when he’s when he’s
01:07:46 talking about the bosom he’s not just
01:07:48 he’s not talking about a place in the
01:07:50 he’s not he’s not just talking about a
01:07:52 place in the body like the heart or what
01:07:53 have you he’s talking about
01:07:56 um like the bosom contains the heart the
01:07:58 lungs it’s your it’s your no you’re
01:08:02 getting a little confused the bosom is
01:08:05 the your
01:08:06 belly yeah oh yeah sorry no that’s fine
01:08:09 I get confused too sometimes bosom is
01:08:11 not the bosom is not the
01:08:15 belly okay so let’s pause for just one
01:08:17 when you talk about a when you talk when
01:08:19 you
01:08:20 talk we need to look in the in the
01:08:23 dictionary yeah yeah yeah so let’s pause
01:08:30 so looking at the dictionary I got
01:08:32 confused for some reason the bosam is
01:08:34 the breast where it does as Ben is
01:08:36 saying contains the heart and the lungs
01:08:40 which now the heart the heart yeah
01:08:43 so just to go off on that a little bit
01:08:46 sure go ahead yeah go ahead you know
01:08:51 just to go off on that a little bit the
01:08:53 heart in the Hebrew is where we do our
01:08:58 thinking it’s where we conceive of grand
01:09:03 ideas and the the the lungs is where we
01:09:07 hold the air the air represents the
01:09:10 Commandments the the um the uh the word
01:09:15 of yah that gives us
01:09:18 life and so when he says that he’s that
01:09:25 he’s is going to Enlighten your mind
01:09:26 when he says that you will feel it in
01:09:28 your BOS that you will feel a burning in
01:09:29 your
01:09:31 bosom he’ll Enlighten your mind that’s
01:09:34 literally what he’s saying if you
01:09:36 understand the um if you understand the
01:09:39 Hebrew functional here yeah yeah so
01:09:42 let’s go look at this
01:09:50 so so you will it will cause your bosom
01:09:53 which holds your heart which is where
01:09:55 where Torah should be written
01:09:57 upon and also the lungs which is where
01:10:01 holds breath or air which also
01:10:03 represents Torah shall burn burning has
01:10:07 to do with justification and
01:10:08 sanctification within you so it will
01:10:11 make
01:10:12 you it’ll bring you towards
01:10:14 justification and sanctification right
01:10:17 right it’ll bring you closer to Yahweh
01:10:19 it’ll make it’ll give you peace it will
01:10:22 cleanse
01:10:24 you um
01:10:26 and make you a new person because you’re
01:10:28 going to f you’re going to see that it’s
01:10:31 right and when you come to more
01:10:34 correctness or more ways within Yahweh
01:10:37 it makes you more and more of a new
01:10:39 person like him which is going along
01:10:43 with Everlasting burnings which is a
01:10:46 symbolic of being with Yahweh yes and
01:10:50 therefore you shall feel that it is
01:10:51 right so when everything else in here is
01:10:54 talking about something to do with the
01:10:56 Mind studying it out asking uh the the
01:11:01 the enlightenment of the Mind the bosom
01:11:02 burning within
01:11:06 you so the enlightenment of the mind and
01:11:09 the uh cleansing of and the cleansing of
01:11:11 the soul the bosom burning within you
01:11:15 these things are all mental these are
01:11:17 all so let’s go look at the word
01:11:21 feel and see if there’s a defin oh I
01:11:25 mean we already know but there is a
01:11:26 definition that goes along with the
01:11:28 context with the
01:11:29 mind um so I’m going to pause so we can
01:11:33 find out which number it is because I
01:11:35 don’t remember which numbers um so that
01:11:37 way we’re not just going through
01:11:38 everything
01:11:40 and all right so Stephen here has pulled
01:11:42 up the dictionary and there are four
01:11:45 different different definitions of the
01:11:47 word feel from the dictionary from the
01:11:51 from in the English language that Joseph
01:11:53 Smith would have known
01:11:55 uh yeah this is from the Webster
01:11:57 dictionary
01:11:58 1828 which is very close when the book
01:12:01 of morm was published in 1830 so these
01:12:05 are going to be the definitions that uh
01:12:07 would have been used right so there are
01:12:10 four that have to do with actually
01:12:13 perceiving mentally correct you want to
01:12:17 read those yeah I’ll read them uh so uh
01:12:20 so just so we have more context this is
01:12:23 under verb
01:12:26 transi I
01:12:30 trans verb transitive so four to be
01:12:34 affected by to
01:12:37 perceive
01:12:39 mentally as to feel grief or woe so
01:12:44 here’s mentally you’re feeling something
01:12:47 okay um and so here’s a sentence I would
01:12:51 never trod this English Earth or felt
01:12:54 the flatties that grow upon it okay I
01:12:58 don’t know what to make of that sentence
01:13:00 but anyways number five to
01:13:03 know to be acquainted with that is
01:13:06 mentally to have a real and just view of
01:13:10 so that has to do with
01:13:13 understanding the enlightening of the
01:13:16 understanding not just so if you if
01:13:19 you’ve got this feeling that if you get
01:13:21 this good feeling about something that
01:13:23 you can’t explain you’re understand has
01:13:25 your understanding really been
01:13:27 enlightened no it has
01:13:30 not um okay so now we’ll do that’s a
01:13:33 question that I want people to ask
01:13:35 themselves you if you get this really
01:13:39 good feeling about something that you
01:13:40 then cannot explain has your mind truly
01:13:44 been
01:13:49 enlightened so let’s move on to the next
01:13:52 definition so
01:13:57 uh it’s
01:13:59 three uh this guy right here to Y from
01:14:02 the verbing trans from the verb in
01:14:04 transitive feel oh yeah yeah that’s
01:14:06 right verb in transitive uh to give
01:14:10 perception that is mental which then
01:14:13 excit sensation which kind of goes along
01:14:16 with how up what was it four yeah to you
01:14:21 perceive something mentally and then you
01:14:23 feel itre
01:14:25 well
01:14:26 after yes it’s like an after effect yes
01:14:29 yeah the feeling is simply an after
01:14:31 effect of the mental U of the mental
01:14:36 cognition so and then four to have
01:14:40 perception mentally oh wait wa
01:14:44 mentally as to feel hurt to feel grieve
01:14:49 to feel unwilling to feel grieved that
01:14:52 is not a physical sensation to feel
01:14:55 grieved well it isn’t it isn’t right
01:14:58 it’s not literally it can become it can
01:15:02 become it you know your mind can trick
01:15:05 your body in many ways uh yes that’s a
01:15:07 good way of putting it um so but it’s
01:15:12 mental right there it’s a mental
01:15:15 perception
01:15:17 yes and I am saying and Ben is saying
01:15:20 and Zach is saying with all this context
01:15:23 in Dean C9
01:15:26 the context of DNC 9 is about mental is
01:15:31 about um the enlightenment of the mind
01:15:33 and the
01:15:34 Spirit uh the changing of the
01:15:38 man it’s not about a feeling because
01:15:43 feelings happen to the Natural
01:15:46 man correct and um you can be
01:15:51 manipulated by feelings so what were you
01:15:54 gonna say Zach and feelings are very
01:15:56 very fleeting oh
01:15:59 yeah yes and you know it’s interesting
01:16:03 to note that the same that somebody will
01:16:07 say that they know by
01:16:11 feeling that the LDS church is
01:16:14 true and an Islam and a and a Muslim
01:16:18 will say that by
01:16:20 feeling they know that Islam is
01:16:23 true now the two things cannot be true
01:16:29 together but their feeling but the
01:16:31 feelings of each of these people tell
01:16:33 them that their disperate religions are
01:16:34 the truth right and their feelings are
01:16:38 real I’m not doubting the feelings I
01:16:41 just
01:16:42 doubt what the feelings
01:16:45 mean right those feelings is because
01:16:48 they like it not because it is actually
01:16:52 true that’s right because when we know
01:16:55 that it when we we you don’t know that
01:16:59 something is true until you have thought
01:17:02 it
01:17:02 out brought your mind to brought your
01:17:05 mind to God’s in
01:17:08 Torah and asked and then
01:17:11 asked if your understanding is
01:17:15 correct correct and I I’ll put it in the
01:17:17 notes because we don’t need to go over
01:17:19 again but Moroni uh 10 3-5 which is a
01:17:23 famous verse
01:17:26 or passage where a lot of people say
01:17:29 it’s about the book finding out the Book
01:17:30 of Mormon is true it’s not it’s about
01:17:33 finding out if Torah is true it’s about
01:17:36 finding out so that you can acknowledge
01:17:39 God’s hand in the creation of
01:17:43 Torah yeah um and God offend
01:17:47 him going back to Doctrine and Covenants
01:17:51 section
01:17:52 59 corre
01:17:55 um and it’s also about know you knowing
01:17:58 yourself what is right so that way
01:18:00 you’ll have confidence to keep it so I
01:18:03 mean it it’s not just that there’s
01:18:05 multiple aspects to it but yes well when
01:18:08 you know that something’s
01:18:11 right it’s like Elma
01:18:14 says I know that this seed is good for
01:18:17 it
01:18:18 Beth to swell and grow Within Me
01:18:26 now um
01:18:28 so uh verse nine but if it be not right
01:18:31 you shall have no such feelings or you
01:18:34 know a mental
01:18:36 exertions or mental cognition even
01:18:40 correct but you shall have a stuper of
01:18:44 thought okay so look at this it’s all
01:18:46 about thought here so let’s go
01:18:50 look go ahead yeah everything here is
01:18:53 about thought it’s not about how you
01:18:57 feel it’s not about your emotional
01:19:00 feelings it is about feelings but those
01:19:04 feelings are the spiritual cognition of
01:19:08 Truth not the
01:19:12 emotional cognition of your
01:19:15 chemicals uh yes this is about mental
01:19:18 feelings not chemical
01:19:21 feelings yes
01:19:25 so Zach will you read stuper for
01:19:31 us um great de oh my
01:19:36 gosh
01:19:38 Dem what diminution dimin okay there we
01:19:43 go great di dimin there we dimin say
01:19:48 dimin
01:19:51 diminishing or suspension of sensibility
01:19:55 suppression of sense numbness as the
01:19:58 stuper of a
01:19:59 Li and to intellectual
01:20:04 insensibility moral
01:20:07 stupidity no yeah yeah yeah heedlessness
01:20:12 or in attention to one’s
01:20:14 interests so so uh here it is again
01:20:19 another me
01:20:21 intellect but I really like definition
01:20:24 to because it points to where these
01:20:29 things that are not true lead to they
01:20:31 lead to
01:20:34 uh intellectual
01:20:37 insensibility when I when as we were
01:20:41 going through as we were t as
01:20:44 we as I look at the answers that people
01:20:47 give to questions regarding Torah uh
01:20:51 those who don’t believe that it’s still
01:20:53 valid I see a great great deal of the
01:20:56 reduction of intellectual
01:20:59 sensibility uh moral stupidity because
01:21:03 without you have no moral leg to stand
01:21:05 on if there’s no
01:21:08 Torah uh right and and in addition they
01:21:14 don’t have real definition of what
01:21:17 replaced it right it’s just this iffy
01:21:21 whiffy whatever I feel in the moment
01:21:23 stuff
01:21:25 right and
01:21:26 so and uh a heedlessness to their way
01:21:30 they don’t care about their way they do
01:21:33 whatever they want do as thou Wilt they
01:21:36 follow the they follow the primary
01:21:38 admonition of
01:21:40 Satan yeah so I know they say also this
01:21:44 is also this is also another showing of
01:21:47 moral
01:21:49 stupidity right right because what they
01:21:51 do is not moral right if you really sit
01:21:54 down and think about it but that means
01:21:57 they’d have to follow what’s being
01:21:58 stated in DNC 9 to think about
01:22:01 it right um instead of Simply accept it
01:22:05 because uh their favorite false teacher
01:22:08 told them about it uh right
01:22:12 um so this is I’m trying very hard not
01:22:16 to be specific to any group of people
01:22:19 because this is some this is something
01:22:22 that’s actually
01:22:25 prevalent in various groups across the
01:22:28 Spectrum uh yeah it’s very common um
01:22:33 everywhere and those who do not
01:22:35 acknowledge God’s hand in
01:22:40 pora they show a remarkable lack of
01:22:45 light uh yeah and they actually show a
01:22:47 lack of Love they they say they love but
01:22:50 the way they treat people including us
01:22:53 shows that they really don’t have the
01:22:56 way that they treat those who do the the
01:22:59 way that they treat those who do uh
01:23:02 acknowledge God’s hand in Torah um does
01:23:05 not be speake
01:23:07 love no it does not uh far from it um so
01:23:13 there is a quote from Joseph Smith it
01:23:14 would be good for us to look at that
01:23:16 supports these two definitions of
01:23:19 feelings in the Holy
01:23:21 Spirit um
01:23:28 the oops
01:23:32 sorry uh let me pause it’s one of these
01:23:35 top ones but we don’t need dead time so
01:23:37 hold on
01:23:39 yeah okay which one is the top one or
01:23:42 the okay okay so here’s a a quick small
01:23:47 quote and then we could look at the
01:23:48 whole thing I’m fine either way but uh
01:23:51 the small quote is the first comforter
01:23:54 or the Holy Spirit yeah it says ghost
01:23:57 but Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost is the
01:23:58 same thing has no other effect
01:24:02 but pure intelligence which is pretty
01:24:06 which is what we’re going off of in DNC
01:24:09 uh n right now so and we already and
01:24:12 we’ve covered that there are four
01:24:14 definitions of feeling that fit that
01:24:18 correct
01:24:20 um so the word feel sorry of the word
01:24:24 feel that fit that correct which goes
01:24:27 along with the mental exertion and how
01:24:30 it gets confirmed through the Holy
01:24:32 Spirit which is pure intelligence it it
01:24:35 it just all fits together
01:24:37 right um here’s the full quote I
01:24:41 actually don’t think it helps with this
01:24:44 discussion but if you want to read it
01:24:45 you can pause the
01:24:47 recording read it I don’t think that I
01:24:49 don’t think that that full quote
01:24:50 actually is pertinent the shorten
01:24:53 versions just fine yeah yeah yeah and
01:24:56 we’ve gone over it other times so we’ll
01:24:57 just leave it at that um so I do think
01:25:02 it it’s time to go back to DNC
01:25:04 9 yes I believe so we’re almost there
01:25:08 folks we’re almost
01:25:10 there
01:25:16 one okay so uh okay I think I was doing
01:25:22 no give me one let me pause one
01:25:29 second okay all right so we just
01:25:32 finished looking at stuper and then
01:25:34 talking about a quote from Joseph Smith
01:25:37 uh which all of these is showing how the
01:25:40 Holy Spirit or the way that God talks to
01:25:43 us or tells us to do
01:25:46 is mental exertion notal feeling the
01:25:50 feeling that it is right is one of of
01:25:54 spiritual and mental
01:25:58 cognition right and then also the
01:26:00 burning you feel like a new
01:26:03 person yes the burning is the
01:26:05 transformation of the old person to the
01:26:08 new
01:26:11 person
01:26:12 yes um so um because when it’s right
01:26:18 you’re becoming a new person you’re not
01:26:20 an old person with new excuses when you
01:26:23 when you
01:26:24 find that something is right you
01:26:31 change I’m not and we’re not talking
01:26:33 about just the mental Ascent that it is
01:26:36 right but when you when it is truly
01:26:38 impressed upon your upon your heart mind
01:26:42 and soul that something is right you
01:26:46 change correct and that’s what this is
01:26:49 talking
01:26:53 about talking about the process whereby
01:26:55 he writes his law upon your heart
01:26:58 correct yeah and and so this gets some
01:27:00 difference on Greek thought and Hebrew
01:27:03 thought so Greek thought and Gnostic
01:27:05 thought thinks all you need to do is
01:27:09 to understand it
01:27:12 right or and mentally affirm
01:27:18 it understand affirm
01:27:20 it oh right right and affirm it
01:27:25 uh where Hebrew thought is you become it
01:27:28 you do
01:27:32 it where this goes along with uh how the
01:27:36 gospel and Torah is about
01:27:41 becoming so so if we go back to verse n
01:27:44 again but if he be but if it be not
01:27:46 right you shall have no such feelings
01:27:49 I.E mental cognition spiritual cognition
01:27:53 uh spiritual
01:27:54 rebirth but you shall have a stuper of
01:27:59 thought you will become
01:28:02 stupid in that one in that one idea not
01:28:06 everything that one idea right that
01:28:08 shall cause you to forget the thing
01:28:10 which is wrong therefore you cannot
01:28:12 write that which is sacred save it be
01:28:15 given you from me here’s an affirmation
01:28:18 that the Book of Mormon is
01:28:21 sacred right and the Book of Mormon says
01:28:24 that that all over the place also um but
01:28:27 in
01:28:28 addition this is the reason that you
01:28:32 would forget what is wrong because then
01:28:34 you learn what is
01:28:36 right and I will say this this is meant
01:28:39 as a compliment Ben is very good at
01:28:43 that yeah he forgets what he used to
01:28:46 believe is so good at which is a
01:28:50 compliment I I I I yes I have a tendency
01:28:53 to quick L uh I I am perfectly willing
01:28:57 to quickly drop something that really
01:28:59 just doesn’t add up right he’s very good
01:29:02 at that I’m saying that as a compliment
01:29:04 yeah as an example of what’s going on
01:29:06 here in in this scripture uh you will
01:29:09 forget it because you will learn truth
01:29:14 yeah well thank you uh I I I
01:29:18 try I try I try very hard to uh conform
01:29:24 my life to his truth correct and you’re
01:29:27 yes I I agree with you Ben um but then
01:29:30 also that sacred thing is this is
01:29:32 another confirmation despite what’s in
01:29:35 in addition I shouldn’t say despite in
01:29:37 addition to what’s in the Book of Mormon
01:29:39 saying that the Book of Mormon is sacred
01:29:42 and I want to say something on this
01:29:45 um this goes against the idea how people
01:29:49 who do occult ceremonies behind closed
01:29:51 door in a temple say they can’t talk
01:29:54 about it because it’s sacred The Book of
01:29:57 Mormon all over it says it’s sacred and
01:30:00 they and we’re supposed to talk about it
01:30:03 yeah Torah is sacred we’re supposed to
01:30:05 we’re supposed to share share it around
01:30:08 the
01:30:08 world
01:30:11 correct uh so sacred is to be shared
01:30:16 secret is to be is what’s not to be
01:30:19 shared correct and this is where people
01:30:23 um
01:30:24 mix up the words to try to make
01:30:26 themselves feel and look better um but
01:30:29 anyways well it oft times these
01:30:32 oftentimes these little white lies help
01:30:34 us to feel better about what it is that
01:30:36 we’re doing uh
01:30:38 correct and it now I don’t think it’s in
01:30:42 textually honest but I think a lot of
01:30:44 people aren’t really thinking about it
01:30:46 they’re just saying they’re just being
01:30:48 um parent race as in they’re just
01:30:52 copying what other people are saying
01:30:54 yeah I I don’t think that parrots are
01:30:57 capable of being intellectually
01:30:59 honest uh no they’re not that’s why I
01:31:02 think we’re more a parent race than
01:31:03 human
01:31:05 race now okay so now if you had known
01:31:09 this if you had known what if you had
01:31:12 known how to find
01:31:17 truth you could have translated and this
01:31:20 is the other this is the other clue that
01:31:22 I have
01:31:26 that his uh that his theology was
01:31:29 getting in the way of his
01:31:32 translating because he was letting the
01:31:34 theology dictate him what is Right
01:31:36 rather than going to the actual Source
01:31:39 yep now if you had know this you could
01:31:42 have translated nevertheless it is not
01:31:44 expedient that you should
01:31:47 translate
01:31:49 now now now this now that’s a prophecy
01:31:53 because this is also another point it’s
01:31:56 bringing out how he Oliver will
01:31:58 translate records later now I do believe
01:32:02 that’s going to happen sometime after
01:32:04 Adam on diaman to be honest but as him
01:32:09 resurrected
01:32:11 right and the reason why we feel that
01:32:14 Oliver calary will be working with
01:32:17 Joseph Smith in Zion after Adam
01:32:21 Andaman is because Oliver
01:32:25 calry never
01:32:28 lost his uh he he never he never he
01:32:32 never walked back on his word about the
01:32:34 Book of
01:32:35 Mormon or the truths that were in
01:32:39 it he um he W he was run out of the
01:32:44 church uh by the day
01:32:48 nights they uh he and he thought that
01:32:52 Joseph Smith was associated with the day
01:32:54 nights and he said some he said some
01:32:57 regrettable things about Joseph Smith
01:32:59 with regards to that and
01:33:01 uh uh and also
01:33:04 uh so there were there was a lot of
01:33:07 stuff there that the day nightes there
01:33:11 some confusion going on the day nightes
01:33:14 had more to do with his leaving the
01:33:15 church than than his loss of a
01:33:19 testimony correct than his going against
01:33:23 what had been revealed to him Bram young
01:33:27 Brigham Young and the day nights had
01:33:28 more to do with alliv calary leaving the
01:33:31 church than anything else right it
01:33:33 wasn’t because he apostas because of the
01:33:36 things that he said about Joseph Smith a
01:33:38 excommunication trial was set for him uh
01:33:42 he was afraid for his life should he
01:33:44 show up to the
01:33:45 trial and so he did not show
01:33:48 up he fled the state of Missouri on his
01:33:51 own with his family
01:33:55 well if he was afraid for his life
01:33:56 that’s completely understandable right
01:33:59 and uh so they and uh so they held the
01:34:04 trial In
01:34:05 Absentia and excommunicated him from The
01:34:09 Church Without A word of testimony from
01:34:13 the person who was the Alle who was the
01:34:16 alleged perpetrator of a uh of a sin
01:34:21 worthy of excommunication
01:34:26 which uh he didn’t do which he did not
01:34:30 do uh the um
01:34:34 it’s in
01:34:37 Torah it is not against
01:34:43 Torah it’s not against Torah to speak
01:34:46 out against the in injustices that the
01:34:50 day Knights were
01:34:51 doing fact I would ask
01:34:54 that Torah actually specifies you should
01:34:56 speak out against such
01:34:58 things um now the without to without
01:35:03 base connect Joseph Smith to those
01:35:07 things
01:35:08 [Music]
01:35:09 um now that’s a now that’s another
01:35:12 matter but he he he made some false
01:35:17 accusations so he did make mistakes or
01:35:21 sins specific
01:35:24 accusation the false accusation is not
01:35:26 in then of itself worthy of
01:35:28 excommunication correct I agree with
01:35:30 that it’s something that needed to be
01:35:32 corrected but it’s not
01:35:34 excommunicate offense right and so it
01:35:39 and so neither he nor Thomas B Mars
01:35:41 should have ever been excommunicated
01:35:43 from the church in my
01:35:46 opinion well so just to Big
01:35:49 clarify
01:35:51 uh if you kept doing it after after you
01:35:54 get corrected it is but they never
01:35:57 really tried to correct him they were
01:35:58 just trying to force him into they they
01:36:00 intim they intimidated them they scared
01:36:02 them they they caused them to they CA
01:36:05 they caused them to miss their
01:36:06 excommunication hearings uh for fear of
01:36:09 their lives and then they did what they
01:36:12 wanted to do all right which is going
01:36:14 against DNC 121 and amen to their
01:36:17 priesthood meaning goodbye to their
01:36:20 priesthood because they were hiding
01:36:21 their sins yes and they were trying to
01:36:25 force things upon people instead of
01:36:28 using
01:36:29 persuasion to help people understand to
01:36:32 to understand sorry so the so the the
01:36:36 truth of the matter is that
01:36:39 um the truth of the matter is that
01:36:41 Oliver cry and Thomas B Marsh were um it
01:36:48 in my
01:36:49 opinion they were far more
01:36:51 faithful than the brg than than the than
01:36:55 the Bri than the bites and uh and their
01:37:00 than the bites and their descendants of
01:37:02 B yeah and so apparently um Ben knows
01:37:06 more about this but this is I get this
01:37:08 from him um and other History part of it
01:37:12 anyways uh Oliver did join the brigite
01:37:15 church which I I mean obviously I don’t
01:37:18 agree with because I left but uh at the
01:37:21 same time although although I think the
01:37:24 josephite church or Joseph Smith I thir
01:37:26 church was better it still had problems
01:37:29 itself so there really in my honest
01:37:33 opinion there was no there was no true
01:37:36 church to go back to there was no true
01:37:38 church to go back
01:37:43 to but I I do think it was a good desire
01:37:46 of his to go be with with
01:37:49 other believers right yes to be with
01:37:52 other believers
01:37:54 and um both Oliver calry and um Thomas B
01:37:59 Marsh were continuously trotted out as
01:38:02 Laughing stocks and uh
01:38:06 Trophies by Brigham Young and his
01:38:08 cohorts right and I
01:38:11 think and that’s horrible briam young to
01:38:14 do that because
01:38:16 he’s that’s an abusive relationship
01:38:19 right there right but anyways
01:38:22 um they
01:38:24 didn’t uh participate in the what we
01:38:27 would call sins and I Torah would say is
01:38:29 sins and same with the Book of Mormon
01:38:31 and DNC would call sins they they just
01:38:34 they joined a restoration church and
01:38:36 there was no true restoration church
01:38:39 so and that and I do believe that U I do
01:38:44 believe that Oliver calry is
01:38:47 still a Son of God and will be
01:38:49 resurrected in the de with in the
01:38:52 resurrection of the
01:38:55 uh yes I I believe that too and I
01:38:57 believe he’s going to be helping Joseph
01:38:59 Smith translate lots of
01:39:02 records and I do believe this section
01:39:05 supports that yep as in just we just
01:39:09 read verse 10 you should it is not
01:39:12 expedient that you should translate now
01:39:15 meaning you will later yep and behold it
01:39:19 was expedient when you
01:39:21 commenced but you feared
01:39:24 and that’s another clue that points to
01:39:28 the intrusion of theology upon the pure
01:39:32 intelligence that he was
01:39:36 receiving yes that I do think that goes
01:39:39 along with your theory it gives a lot of
01:39:41 credence to it right yep and the time
01:39:44 has passed and it is not expedient
01:39:50 now it will be later as in here’s
01:39:53 another point he’ll translate later
01:39:56 because it’s it’s not that is not exp
01:39:59 you translate period it’s now meaning
01:40:03 you will
01:40:08 later for do you okay go ahead for do
01:40:12 you not behold that I have given unto my
01:40:14 servant Joseph sufficient strength
01:40:17 whereby it is made up whereby his
01:40:20 Joseph’s um weakness is made up
01:40:24 this goes back to Ether 12:27 if men
01:40:27 come unto me I will show unto them their
01:40:28 weakness I give unto men weakness that
01:40:31 they that they may be
01:40:35 humble you know and so and Joseph
01:40:38 through
01:40:39 humility uh was able to receive
01:40:42 sufficient strength to make up his
01:40:44 weakness correct and neither of you have
01:40:47 I
01:40:49 condemned and that’s a big deal right
01:40:52 there which goes with Yahweh calling him
01:40:55 a son
01:40:58 right so here’s where here’s the part
01:41:00 where things could be read as
01:41:02 conditional down
01:41:03 here do this thing which I have
01:41:05 commanded you that is
01:41:07 describing being describe and you shall
01:41:11 prosper be faithful and yield to no
01:41:13 temptation so also keep the
01:41:15 Commandments yeah that’s just another
01:41:17 way of saying it because uh temptation
01:41:20 is yielding to sin or um and sin is
01:41:25 breaking
01:41:26 Torah Stand Fast in the work wherewith I
01:41:29 have called you and a hair of your head
01:41:32 shall not be lost hair represents
01:41:34 Authority he will lose no
01:41:38 Authority the is is no loss of authority
01:41:42 is contingent upon his standing fast in
01:41:45 the work wherewith he was called the
01:41:47 work he was called to was bringing forth
01:41:50 The Book of
01:41:51 Mormon uh help helping with it because
01:41:53 he was a scribe and he did that right
01:41:56 and Not only was Not only was he a
01:41:59 scribe he was a
01:42:01 witness oh yes yes that’s true who did
01:42:03 not testimony yes and he stayed faithful
01:42:08 despite what some people
01:42:11 claim he was faithful to that which he
01:42:14 was
01:42:15 commanded correct and
01:42:19 and he was still figuring other things
01:42:21 out but so are we so I
01:42:24 mean it’s just easy to look at other
01:42:27 people’s faults that rather than our own
01:42:30 and a hair of your head shall not be
01:42:32 lost and you shall be lifted up at the
01:42:36 last day this is a reference to that day
01:42:40 when the Trump sounds and the righteous
01:42:44 and the and the righteous that are alive
01:42:46 and the righteous that are to be
01:42:48 resurrected or caught up to meet the
01:42:50 Lord in the clouds to come down ushering
01:42:55 the Lord into his into his re into his
01:42:59 realm on
01:43:01 Earth yeah uh and so I I know
01:43:03 restorationists don’t use this term but
01:43:06 that being lifted up is another way of
01:43:08 saying Rapture right well yeah I mean
01:43:12 the reason why the reason why that that
01:43:15 the reason Rapture is one of those
01:43:20 um I I think it’s emotionally a very a
01:43:25 very nice way of describing the whole
01:43:27 thing
01:43:27 because for those for whom it happens it
01:43:30 is
01:43:31 Rapture yeah and if I remember correctly
01:43:34 Rapture goes off of the Latin Vulgate
01:43:37 Latin word that’s in the most famous
01:43:40 verse for it I forget where I’d have to
01:43:42 look um but
01:43:44 anyways um which which the main thing
01:43:48 about that is the main thing about the
01:43:50 Latin Vulgate is that it is not the most
01:43:54 correct uh
01:43:56 translation of oh yeah um the rep
01:44:01 receptus oh I can’t Tex receptus Tex
01:44:05 that is better but it’s not perfect
01:44:09 either right um so yeah the Latin
01:44:13 Vulgate is um there are things in the
01:44:16 Latin Vulgate that I
01:44:18 question uh I think it’s the worst we
01:44:21 have yeah uh
01:44:24 and that’s cons and considering that the
01:44:26 King James is out there that’s saying
01:44:28 something uh well
01:44:31 yeah King James has its issues um but
01:44:34 Latin Vulgate is even worse so we’ll
01:44:37 leave it at
01:44:43 that yeah you know it’s a so but uh yeah
01:44:48 so that is the
01:44:50 thing it’s so the conditions anything
01:44:55 that can be viewed as conditional there
01:44:58 is the conditions for all men oh yeah
01:45:00 and but he did the work he was called to
01:45:04 stand fast in the work where I Yahweh
01:45:06 have called you he did it he he he
01:45:09 Faithfully shepherded The Book of Mormon
01:45:12 into the world
01:45:17 yeah um and found people to believe in
01:45:20 it
01:45:25 and that is and that and that in my mind
01:45:28 is a wonderful thing and he himself
01:45:30 never stopped believing in it and that’s
01:45:32 why he had to join a Restoration
01:45:36 Church yeah yeah because he he he
01:45:39 believed
01:45:41 um and even most our our group here is a
01:45:45 little restoration quote and quote
01:45:47 church not like officially but
01:45:50 unofficially so I mean we’re doing it
01:45:53 have we don’t we don’t have a 501c3 and
01:45:56 I don’t think we plan on ever getting
01:45:57 one oh I will never get one
01:46:00 so anyways uh that’s a whole another
01:46:03 subject but um so one thing I’m GNA
01:46:07 pause because maybe we can find what
01:46:09 verse he translated so but let’s pause
01:46:12 for a
01:46:16 second all right so I tried to find what
01:46:19 passage Oliver calry translated to just
01:46:22 help confirm um Ben’s Theory which I uh
01:46:27 agree with to see if it helps supports
01:46:30 or not I spent a good amount of time
01:46:33 trying to look and I wasn’t able to find
01:46:36 anything on what he actually translated
01:46:39 if anybody has any information let me
01:46:42 know and I I will I’d love to look at it
01:46:45 right because yeah we we need
01:46:48 information either confirm or deny the
01:46:50 theory and not that doing that either
01:46:53 way really does anything but it does
01:46:56 help us better understand what’s going
01:46:58 on with that section oh and that reminds
01:47:01 me I forget what verse it is but just in
01:47:04 general on the
01:47:07 section if alar calry told Joseph Smith
01:47:11 his feelings and then Joseph Smith gave
01:47:13 a revelation on it I mean that’s not
01:47:16 very impressive right right oh yeah
01:47:20 Yahweh really said this after I told you
01:47:23 my
01:47:24 thoughts now I wasn’t there but my
01:47:28 estimation is that Oliver calary didn’t
01:47:32 tell Joseph Smith what was going on in
01:47:34 his
01:47:35 head and then it got revealed through
01:47:39 Joseph
01:47:41 Smith from someone who actually knew it
01:47:44 Yahweh who can read our
01:47:48 minds and that would have been
01:47:50 impressive and I’m sure that’s part
01:47:52 partly why Oliver calary stayed Faithful
01:47:56 is because of that because Joseph Smith
01:47:59 revealed things through from Yahweh that
01:48:02 revealed his actual
01:48:06 mind now there are mentalists and
01:48:10 magicians that make it look like they
01:48:12 read minds but it’s very controlled
01:48:15 circumstances this was not controlled
01:48:19 circumstance so anyway I yeah I uh have
01:48:23 a great I have a great deal of respect
01:48:25 for Oliver cry and I look forward to
01:48:29 meeting him uh in
01:48:32 Zion
01:48:34 um and
01:48:36 uh
01:48:38 it’ll he did he did wonderful
01:48:44 things we have in every single every
01:48:47 single one of us who has the Book of
01:48:48 Mormon in our lives
01:48:50 today can be grateful to him
01:48:54 because as that section
01:48:56 reveals he did
01:49:00 play an integral role in bringing forth
01:49:03 the book of
01:49:05 Mor oh yes and I’m very grateful for
01:49:13 that so the I uh I I’m grateful for all
01:49:18 the all the people who’ve helped to
01:49:20 bring forth heless word
01:49:22 where it teaches and it and it grows on
01:49:26 it grows in you and it makes it it makes
01:49:29 it helps you to be a better
01:49:32 man better son or daughter of
01:49:37 god so let’s let’s value word of
01:49:43 yah well I can say Amen to that and I
01:49:46 think that’s a good ending point