Scripture Study 2020-07-21

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We talk about how ordinances should not change, Day of Atonement a High Holiday, Polygam, Alma the younger’s conversion, Rock Waterman, Control vs Teaching, analogy of diaper changing and humanity, King Brigham, Part of the Masons oath contradictions to the scriptures, Torah, sacrament, Polar Configuration.

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“It was the design of the councils of heaven before the world was, that the principles and laws of the priesthood should be predicated upon the gathering of the people in every age of the world. Jesus did everything to gather the people, and they would not be gathered, and He therefore poured out curses upon them. Ordinances instituted in the heavens before the foundation of the world, in the priesthood, for the salvation of men, are not to be altered or changed. All must be saved on the same principles.” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 308

“…He set the ordinances to be the same forever and ever, and set Adam to watch over them, to reveal them from heaven to man, or to send angels to reveal them.” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 168

“And if Abel was taught of the coming of the Son of God, was he not taught also of His ordinances? We all admit that the Gospel has ordinances, and if so, had it not always ordinances, and were not its ordinances always the same?” Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 59

The Lord gave a very clear revelation to a few of us a few months back on how He wants His sacrament administered. A pollution got in that He was not pleased with. It may seem like a small thing, but God does not like His ordinances to be altered. It was made clear that the Lord wants the bread broken (completely), then blessed and later passed as prescribed by Him in the scriptures. The Lord gave the perfect example – How is it possible to improve on that? In like fashion, the baptism into the Lords covenant is an exact ordinance with exact procedure and words from Gods own mouth.

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00:00:00 a free book
00:00:04 okay i found a free book on um
00:00:09 one of the groups i i don’t know
00:00:12 somebody had invited me to a group
00:00:14 on facebook i went to that group
00:00:17 and um found one post
00:00:21 and read that and it was like okay
00:00:25 that’s really good
00:00:26 well i had alan print that out
00:00:30 um then i went back
00:00:34 to that group and there was a post
00:00:37 saying
00:00:38 um the book called
00:00:44 was it the atonement of jesus christ
00:00:48 um is available now and it’s free
00:00:51 online by l-l-e-i-l-e-a
00:01:04 they have some other books and and they
00:01:07 preach and practice breaking up
00:01:12 if it’s the group i think it is uh you’d
00:01:14 have to give me the link so i know for
00:01:15 sure but i’m
00:01:16 pretty sure it is they practice and
00:01:19 preach polygamy
00:01:22 what yeah did it
00:01:28 or something like that they even if it’s
00:01:30 the group i think it is
00:01:33 they have a post on their website that
00:01:35 explains how
00:01:36 most of dnc 132 is valid
00:01:42 okay i am not aware of that
00:01:46 but i have read um
00:01:50 through part one chapter six and there’s
00:01:54 like part
00:01:55 five there’s five parts in this book
00:01:59 and just at from
00:02:03 from just that much of reading it with
00:02:06 alan
00:02:08 i learned that
00:02:11 the atonement
00:02:14 or should i say the law
00:02:17 of moses when
00:02:20 um he gave them the day of atonement
00:02:26 that there were two goats
00:02:30 they go through um
00:02:35 what leviticus says
00:02:38 um and how they pro how the priest
00:02:42 for sure is a high holiday in the fall
00:02:47 so there’s uh right it’s on the 10th
00:02:50 day of the seventh month um
00:02:53 first day of the seventh month is feast
00:02:55 of trumpets
00:02:57 um and it’s interesting i don’t know if
00:02:59 this is
00:03:01 right or not or if there’s a special
00:03:03 connection or whatever
00:03:05 but it’s on the 10th day of atonement
00:03:07 and the day that the lab
00:03:09 was supposed to be um examined was the
00:03:13 tenth of the first month so there’s two
00:03:15 tens
00:03:17 um related with each other but anyways
00:03:20 a little side note but yeah it
00:03:23 day of atonement is a high holiday that
00:03:26 you’re we’re actually commanded to fast
00:03:29 on that day
00:03:34 um okay but anyways
00:03:39 you were saying from the book
00:03:48 so what i discovered
00:03:52 through them i wrote some things down
00:03:57 i’m trying to see if i because i
00:04:00 i don’t remember things um
00:04:04 it’s a good thing because the computer
00:04:07 just um
00:04:12 shut down so
00:04:15 yonkapur um
00:04:18 is a national
00:04:22 fast day well that’s just what it said
00:04:25 but yeah okay that’s what it is now
00:04:29 right seven months
00:04:32 most people don’t practice it and it
00:04:35 never
00:04:35 changed it’s still a day of fast
00:04:40 it though the scriptures don’t actually
00:04:42 say
00:04:43 fast it says afflict yourself
00:04:47 um anyways it’s a
00:04:52 it’s pretty well established so that
00:04:53 that means to fast
00:04:57 you’re shaking your head no
00:05:01 um no i’m not getting everything that
00:05:04 you say
00:05:06 because um the internet
00:05:09 is breaking wet so i don’t understand
00:05:12 what you did
00:05:13 um oh that’s funny because i’m getting
00:05:15 everything from you right now but
00:05:18 i was just saying no you’re all choppy
00:05:21 whatever you’re trying to say
00:05:23 okay well i was just saying that the
00:05:24 scriptures actually say it’s a day
00:05:26 to afflict yourself which it’s pretty
00:05:29 well
00:05:30 accepted and established that means to
00:05:33 fast
00:05:36 okay national fast day
00:05:39 that’s what i said right yeah i i just
00:05:43 yeah it’s a i wouldn’t call it national
00:05:46 i would say
00:05:47 worldwide because the high holidays
00:05:50 everybody’s supposed to keep
00:05:54 okay well this is directly
00:05:57 given to the house of israel
00:06:04 this is directly given to the house of
00:06:07 israel
00:06:08 right everybody not gentiles no there’s
00:06:11 gentiles
00:06:14 it depends how you call a gentile but
00:06:16 who who
00:06:18 do you it was not only israelites that
00:06:21 left egypt during the exodus
00:06:26 there were gentiles there there were
00:06:27 many nations
00:06:29 they accepted god’s way
00:06:33 that’s why i mean even in taurus states
00:06:36 that
00:06:36 the law is for everyone you don’t have a
00:06:39 different law for the gentiles and for
00:06:40 yourself it’s the same law for everyone
00:06:45 they were there were quote gentiles
00:06:50 with the israelites during the exodus
00:06:54 yeah it wasn’t just israelites that left
00:06:58 for one example that a lot of people
00:06:59 like to talk about is moses’s adopted
00:07:02 mother
00:07:02 she went with them she wasn’t a she
00:07:05 wasn’t a jew
00:07:07 or an israelite by blood anyways right
00:07:14 moses what who moses
00:07:18 adopted the mother yes moses adopted
00:07:20 mother wasn’t
00:07:21 an israelite nor was his wife
00:07:24 yeah she was ethiopian right
00:07:27 um are you talking about his adopted
00:07:30 mother or is his
00:07:31 wife his wife yeah
00:07:35 yeah okay so anyway
00:07:39 back to this is
00:07:42 that i learned
00:07:45 that the bullock is the sin offering
00:07:48 right
00:07:49 of ram as a burnt offering
00:07:52 for himself and his house that’s what
00:07:54 the priest does
00:07:56 then he gets two key goats as a sin
00:08:00 offering and a ram as
00:08:03 burnt offering for the people of israel
00:08:07 okay he presented the bullock
00:08:11 and two goats before the tabernacle’s
00:08:14 door
00:08:15 then he cast lots on the two goats
00:08:19 and one is for jehovah
00:08:23 as a sin offering and the other
00:08:26 is meaning
00:08:34 the completely one
00:08:38 the evil beer guarded as dwelling in
00:08:41 there
00:08:42 to be sent a lie into the wilderness
00:08:46 he then kills the bullock and i’m going
00:08:49 to come back to as as el
00:08:52 his own so he kills the bullock
00:08:55 that’s his own sin offering
00:08:59 then he does the sensor full of
00:09:04 live coals and that’s the
00:09:07 um for the prayers
00:09:10 that are offered okay okay
00:09:14 so um i found this interesting it says
00:09:19 um the coals from off the brazen altar
00:09:22 with two handfuls of incense into the
00:09:26 holy of holies
00:09:27 he casts the incense on the coals
00:09:30 therefore there’s
00:09:31 cloud of smoke and it might cover
00:09:34 the mercy seat hide from god
00:09:39 is what they put then took
00:09:42 the blood of the bullet and he wrinkled
00:09:45 it
00:09:45 once on east part
00:09:49 of mercy sea as an atonement
00:09:54 for the priesthood
00:09:57 then
00:10:00 seven times before the mercy seat
00:10:04 as an atonement for the holy of holies
00:10:08 itself then he kills
00:10:11 the goat which was for jehovah
00:10:16 the congregations sins
00:10:19 offering and sprinkled its blood
00:10:22 in the same manner with corresponding
00:10:25 objects
00:10:27 okay so then
00:10:30 similar sprinklings were made with the
00:10:32 blood of both
00:10:33 animals the bullock and goat on the
00:10:36 altar
00:10:37 of incense and this is found in exodus
00:10:40 30
00:10:41 verse 10 leviticus 16
00:10:44 15. to make an atonement
00:10:47 for the holy place
00:10:52 excuse me no one besides the high priest
00:10:56 was allowed to be present
00:10:58 in the town i moses could go in
00:11:02 moses go on whenever he wanted actually
00:11:08 but those who didn’t
00:11:12 [Music]
00:11:15 um but those who didn’t have it or no
00:11:19 huh moses could go yeah moses
00:11:23 actually could go wherever he wanted to
00:11:25 be whenever he wanted but the sons of
00:11:27 levi’s
00:11:29 um could only go once a year a certain
00:11:33 day
00:11:33 the one that was in charge the high
00:11:35 priest could only go once again
00:11:37 this is what we’re talking about
00:11:41 maybe i’m being too techy or technical
00:11:44 but
00:11:45 he was not the only one that could go in
00:11:48 moses could go
00:11:49 whenever he wanted okay
00:11:52 so it says besides the high high priest
00:11:57 allowed to be present in the tabernacle
00:12:00 while these acts
00:12:01 atonement were going on lastly
00:12:05 an atonement was made for the altar a
00:12:08 burnt offering in a a similar manner
00:12:11 the goat as as l was then brought
00:12:15 before that altar okay
00:12:18 and over it
00:12:22 the priest confessed all the sins
00:12:25 of the people of israel after which
00:12:29 is sent by a hand of a man
00:12:32 into the wilderness to bear away the
00:12:35 people’s
00:12:36 iniquities into us um
00:12:39 solitary land this ceremony
00:12:43 signified sending away the sins of the
00:12:45 people
00:12:46 now removes the evil one to convince him
00:12:50 that he could no more be brought up in
00:12:53 judgment against the people of god
00:12:56 then the high priest takes off his linen
00:12:58 garments bathe
00:13:00 puts on his official garments offers the
00:13:03 burnt offerings of the two ramps for
00:13:05 himself and his people
00:13:07 now what i found interesting is that
00:13:10 the goat that had all the sins of the
00:13:14 people
00:13:15 were sent out by a man and that man
00:13:19 was given the job that he had to watch
00:13:23 he had to watch until that goat died
00:13:27 himself so i got to thinking
00:13:30 he had to watch the suffering the
00:13:33 starving
00:13:34 the starvation the thirst
00:13:37 that not knowing where
00:13:40 his surroundings were he had to watch
00:13:45 um how that animal died but nobody
00:13:50 was to kill that okay
00:13:53 so then she tell
00:13:57 the book tells me that the people
00:14:01 okay so after the goat’s dead
00:14:05 the priest signifies
00:14:08 to another one and another one another
00:14:10 one and a signal
00:14:11 and then it gets to the high priest and
00:14:13 the high priest gives the word to the
00:14:15 congregation
00:14:16 because during this time they’re waiting
00:14:19 for the goat to die
00:14:21 they’re mourning they’re supposed to be
00:14:25 experiencing a remorse
00:14:28 for they were actually supposed to be
00:14:30 doing that beforehand
00:14:32 and this is the last day that they can
00:14:34 do that because
00:14:35 they’re actually supposed to be doing it
00:14:37 for 40 days
00:14:38 yes but the feast of trumpets is to
00:14:42 remind them they only have 10 more days
00:14:44 to repent okay
00:14:47 so we’ll come back
00:14:50 what are we doing and this is the and
00:14:53 this is where i don’t know if they had
00:14:54 to be done
00:14:55 before this or they have this or this is
00:14:57 the last day
00:14:58 so i i need to study this more but i
00:15:02 know some generals
00:15:03 um like this specific was this
00:15:07 did they had to be done before this
00:15:11 i would tend to think it had to be done
00:15:13 before because the confession
00:15:15 and the repentance acceptance was done
00:15:18 on this day
00:15:20 because the israelites would have a rope
00:15:23 on the high priest okay
00:15:26 if he died in case he died they could
00:15:28 pull them out they weren’t forgiven and
00:15:30 they had to pull him out
00:15:31 which means that they hadn’t repented so
00:15:34 to me
00:15:36 that means they had to repent before
00:15:37 this not during this
00:15:40 but just thinking out loud a little bit
00:15:42 um
00:15:43 well okay this is what i found out
00:15:47 that they didn’t like
00:15:50 happen to wait for
00:15:54 the animal to die
00:15:59 yeah they changed the order they
00:16:03 created fast by main
00:16:06 semi semi-circle around
00:16:09 the goat and they divided instead just
00:16:12 dropping off
00:16:13 the goat in the wilderness
00:16:17 they found they could hurry up
00:16:20 the death by putting it closer
00:16:24 in the area where it’s a cliff and they
00:16:27 made a cycle
00:16:30 and they would kind of close in
00:16:34 the animal then scare
00:16:37 the animal and the animal didn’t have
00:16:40 any way
00:16:41 to turn or anything and would lead and
00:16:44 kill
00:16:45 itself no off a cliff so now
00:16:50 what they do is
00:16:54 the day of it they
00:16:57 said just so now
00:17:00 it’s changed beyond that
00:17:03 they would just take it to the cliff
00:17:08 and throw it off that way thankful
00:17:13 now we don’t have any people
00:17:16 sorry say that again the people
00:17:19 then could get on with the celebration
00:17:23 yay our sins are forgiven oh yeah yeah
00:17:26 well after like oh my goodness
00:17:30 yeah the orthodox jews
00:17:33 which are most actually most of the jews
00:17:35 but primarily the orthodox the pharisees
00:17:38 changed the law quite a bit that’s where
00:17:40 the oral law comes in
00:17:42 so this this hunter guy that you that
00:17:46 you told me about and i interacted with
00:17:47 him on another sub thread
00:17:49 right he was trying to tell me jesus was
00:17:51 breaking
00:17:52 torah because he was teaching against
00:17:54 the oral law
00:17:56 i’m like he’s teaching kids the oral law
00:17:58 there not the torah
00:18:00 but the thing right the thing is that a
00:18:02 lot of
00:18:03 quote christians don’t know what the law
00:18:06 is they just read the scriptures they
00:18:08 don’t have the context and understanding
00:18:10 so they say oh look he’s
00:18:12 jesus broke the torah he’s like no he
00:18:14 didn’t he broke the oral law
00:18:17 that’s man’s law that’s god’s that is
00:18:20 man’s false traditions which
00:18:22 in other places he boldly said
00:18:26 you are keeping false traditions of men
00:18:29 and
00:18:29 breaking god’s law it’s just
00:18:32 you didn’t say it that way every single
00:18:35 time so people who don’t study don’t
00:18:37 know what’s going on
00:18:38 and they think oh look jesus broke the
00:18:41 law no he didn’t
00:18:43 well also i had just read
00:18:47 that the law oh it was in
00:18:50 mosiah thank you father it was in mosiah
00:18:53 when abinadi
00:18:55 was testifying and
00:18:58 he said the law was given to a stiff
00:19:01 naked stiff-necked people
00:19:06 and a hard-hearted people
00:19:10 they were given strict um ordinances and
00:19:14 and performances
00:19:17 yeah it’s but because i don’t know if
00:19:20 it’s here or later but that’s the
00:19:21 daily performance and ordinances not
00:19:24 all of them it’s the daily well he
00:19:27 didn’t do that
00:19:28 huh see he didn’t say that when he’s
00:19:32 he’s talking we can read the script but
00:19:34 what i’m saying is i’m connecting
00:19:35 performance and ordinances with other
00:19:37 things that are said in the book of
00:19:39 mormon that connect it with the
00:19:40 daily because in nephi second nephi
00:19:45 i think it is that we’d have i’d have to
00:19:46 go look at my notes
00:19:49 it connects to performances and
00:19:51 ordinances with the
00:19:53 daily ones not all of them
00:19:57 well see i didn’t get that
00:20:01 okay so what i saw is that
00:20:06 when the ordinances are changed
00:20:09 there’s no power in them right yeah they
00:20:12 lose
00:20:14 they lose the purpose why god
00:20:17 gave it to them in the first place and
00:20:20 the same thing is going on
00:20:21 in today where i have just read in the
00:20:25 ls magnus
00:20:26 magazine that they are changing
00:20:30 the temple ceremony again again
00:20:34 i i i mean they they did it like a year
00:20:36 ago and now they’re doing it again
00:20:38 yeah again yeah i mean i haven’t
00:20:42 i i don’t know the exact way there’s a
00:20:44 general quote from joseph smith it’s
00:20:46 like
00:20:47 um the the ordinance should should never
00:20:50 change i i can’t make the exact one
00:20:54 um yeah but yeah
00:20:58 i saw on facebook talking people talking
00:21:00 about it
00:21:01 that they changed it yet again
00:21:04 [Music]
00:21:06 yeah i i was just sad when i read that i
00:21:10 thought
00:21:10 wow you showed me that they’re going to
00:21:12 change the temple
00:21:14 ceremony and then you’ve shown me in
00:21:16 this book
00:21:19 the reason why we don’t have
00:21:22 understanding okay so
00:21:25 um so we don’t have understanding
00:21:29 of what they were really trying
00:21:33 what they were supposed to really be
00:21:36 doing
00:21:37 the day of atonement well we have it
00:21:42 what they were supposed to be doing is
00:21:44 just they didn’t keep it
00:21:46 they kept their their oral law instead
00:21:48 of their written law
00:21:50 written the torah because it wasn’t
00:21:53 convenient like you just said
00:21:55 they didn’t want to wait yes
00:21:58 yes so here is another interesting you
00:22:01 know how there are two goats right
00:22:04 there’s a goat for jehovah and then the
00:22:07 goat
00:22:08 as as l well i found that interesting
00:22:12 the name as as el because that is the
00:22:15 name
00:22:16 of the fallen angel of the 200
00:22:21 chief angels
00:22:24 that rebelled against god well in
00:22:27 general it was sick
00:22:29 to go along at caesar
00:22:33 right they said do you want to accept
00:22:35 jesus or do you want to set
00:22:36 barabbas and barabbas means world you
00:22:39 want to accept the world or you want to
00:22:40 accept jesus
00:22:41 they chose the world
00:22:44 it was okay so these high holidays are
00:22:48 prophecy
00:22:50 right they were so well they still
00:22:54 are and they haven’t all happened they
00:22:56 still are prophesied
00:22:59 no and they haven’t okay so
00:23:03 another thing that i learned through
00:23:05 this book
00:23:06 was that when the lord
00:23:11 um is doing the last
00:23:14 a meal with the disciples
00:23:17 [Music]
00:23:18 he warned them
00:23:22 that somebody was going
00:23:25 to betray him and they asked
00:23:28 is it i it’s not and he says it’ll be
00:23:31 the one that did
00:23:33 you know socks with
00:23:37 okay then
00:23:41 judas goes and does the betrayal
00:23:45 for the 30 pieces of silver
00:23:48 right okay they
00:23:51 connected that there had to be
00:23:55 the two goats again the one
00:23:59 jehovah and the one that goes
00:24:02 out when he recognizes because
00:24:06 in luke or matthew it says
00:24:09 judas goes back and he says to the
00:24:12 priest
00:24:13 of the pharisee the chief priests and he
00:24:15 says
00:24:16 i have sinned and they say well
00:24:20 what’s that to us and
00:24:24 in other words that’s your problem
00:24:27 right and then they tell him go to
00:24:30 do whatever you got to do so he goes
00:24:33 out and he hangs
00:24:36 he repents and he hangs himself and that
00:24:40 the record doesn’t actually say that
00:24:44 the record doesn’t say that he repented
00:24:47 um well going to him
00:24:51 and saying going to the chief priests
00:24:54 and saying i have sinned that’s a
00:24:57 confession
00:24:58 okay
00:25:02 [Music]
00:25:04 okay hear me out okay i know
00:25:07 when i sin this is what happened
00:25:11 all of a sudden there’s
00:25:15 a recognition and it’s like oh my gosh
00:25:19 what have i done and then
00:25:22 once i recognized it i want to repair
00:25:28 okay it’s like the tempting
00:25:31 spirit is no longer with you leaves you
00:25:34 high and dry
00:25:36 and it’s like i would ask how come
00:25:39 i didn’t see this before i made this
00:25:42 mistake
00:25:43 sure but he went to men and not to god
00:25:49 yes yes when we shoot a gun
00:25:53 we really repent god
00:25:56 gives us mercy when we repent he
00:26:00 didn’t go back he didn’t think he didn’t
00:26:02 go back to the lord
00:26:04 what he didn’t go back to the lord but
00:26:07 right
00:26:08 you know he didn’t wait hey he didn’t go
00:26:10 back
00:26:11 now amen and then he
00:26:14 executed justice upon himself
00:26:18 right which means right go to god repent
00:26:22 okay is going to god
00:26:26 and he didn’t do that no he didn’t
00:26:30 but what the book saying what the
00:26:33 chapter was saying
00:26:34 is that there had to be two goats
00:26:38 they’re cats
00:26:41 and was and killed himself
00:26:45 okay vote that was offered
00:26:50 for mercy and took on
00:26:55 the sins so so they’re saying
00:26:58 judas is the other goat and not barabbas
00:27:01 and i
00:27:02 i could see that that’s an interesting
00:27:03 point um i can see that connection
00:27:06 that judas is i thought that was pretty
00:27:08 neat
00:27:10 i thought that was pretty neat because
00:27:12 barabbas
00:27:13 was set free and he didn’t die
00:27:17 okay but judas
00:27:21 he went out and he had to kill
00:27:24 himself sure i that that is a very
00:27:28 that’s a good point that it it very well
00:27:31 could have been judas
00:27:33 instead of barabbas especially with
00:27:36 those others i’ve never seen
00:27:37 that before yeah i i’ve never made that
00:27:40 connection myself
00:27:42 i thought that was unique no that that
00:27:45 what the forest i got
00:27:48 you’ll have to send me a link to that
00:27:49 book um
00:27:51 much so i can read it because that that
00:27:53 that is actually a good
00:27:55 that is a good connection that i had not
00:27:57 made before
00:27:58 so i give them credit for that um but
00:28:01 you ought to send a link
00:28:02 to it put it in the comments and i mean
00:28:06 the description
00:28:06 and also so because
00:28:10 i wouldn’t mind reading through it
00:28:11 myself because that is actually
00:28:13 a good connection well
00:28:16 um i am going to continue
00:28:20 but i’m reading with the spirit of
00:28:22 discernment oh sure yeah
00:28:24 i mean we should do that with everything
00:28:25 right yeah
00:28:27 absolutely so when you put it you know
00:28:30 it’s like i’m not
00:28:31 promoting it it’s just that this is
00:28:33 where i’m
00:28:34 at and this is as far as i’ve read and
00:28:37 so
00:28:37 far i felt blessed
00:28:41 because of grandson joseph smith defined
00:28:45 mormonism as finding truth anywhere and
00:28:47 accepting
00:28:48 where um that’s right
00:28:54 i think everybody has some truth
00:28:57 but everybody including me has some air
00:29:01 um yeah i all do
00:29:04 i think some people have more errors
00:29:06 than others
00:29:08 but um
00:29:11 there’s truth everywhere god is speaking
00:29:14 to everyone
00:29:17 um and they can repeat some of it or not
00:29:20 right um anyways
00:29:24 so when you get a chance so i can look
00:29:27 at it and also
00:29:28 share it right with in the description
00:29:33 well i don’t know how to
00:29:36 do that while we’re talking oh you can
00:29:39 give it to me after
00:29:40 no worries okay
00:29:44 i’m not gonna read it right now while
00:29:45 we’re talking
00:29:48 okay but no i i do think
00:29:51 that that is gonna make me look at the
00:29:54 correlation of barabbas
00:29:56 ins versus judas and right off i
00:30:00 it seems like judas makes more sense
00:30:04 right off of this just initially but
00:30:08 i’ll study it out and think it out some
00:30:10 more and do some more praying
00:30:11 but so far i i like it
00:30:15 yeah so i found this interesting
00:30:19 too it says that when the priest
00:30:23 would fasten a scarlet woolen thread
00:30:27 on azazel he would recite
00:30:30 all the people’s sins and prayer
00:30:34 for forgiveness and he would say
00:30:37 o jehovah i have acted iniquitously
00:30:42 trespassed sinned before thee
00:30:45 i my household and sons of aaron
00:30:50 thy holy ones o jehovah forgive the
00:30:53 iniquities
00:30:55 transgressions and sins that i
00:30:58 my household and aaron’s children
00:31:01 thy holy people committed before thee
00:31:05 as is written in the law of moses
00:31:09 thy servant for on this day
00:31:12 he will forgive you to cleanse you all
00:31:15 from sins before jehovah ye shall be
00:31:19 clean
00:31:20 this prayer was responded by the
00:31:23 congregation
00:31:24 that was present then the man selected
00:31:27 the priests would take as asell go to
00:31:30 the precipice
00:31:31 and the wilderness the goat was to die
00:31:35 by himself but there was a watcher to
00:31:37 see the sufferings
00:31:39 of the goat till it died of starvation
00:31:42 and thirst but they changed him so
00:31:46 when judas went out
00:31:49 alone by himself
00:31:53 i think he did this
00:31:57 because of the law of moses
00:32:01 oh yeah he he judas knew the law
00:32:04 he knew right that um he did something
00:32:08 he needed to be hanged
00:32:09 by a tree on but
00:32:13 he didn’t see the deeper meanings nor
00:32:15 understand that
00:32:16 mercy uh
00:32:20 is also part of the law also
00:32:23 right he didn’t go to god he went to men
00:32:27 trying to solve the problem that’s what
00:32:31 okay and you made an excellent point
00:32:34 because
00:32:35 that is exactly what people
00:32:38 have been taught for years
00:32:42 you have to go to your priest your pope
00:32:45 your pastor your bishop don’t forget
00:32:48 that one
00:32:49 archer i i said that i said that
00:32:53 um to confess
00:32:56 your sins and instead they
00:32:59 are
00:33:03 robbing thank you father they’re
00:33:06 robbing the people
00:33:11 of the understanding that we are to
00:33:14 go to god
00:33:18 himself yeah um
00:33:22 i mean from the book of mormon i i love
00:33:26 the example of alma the younger for
00:33:28 multiple
00:33:30 reasons yeah what but he
00:33:33 alma the younger was forgiven of his
00:33:35 sins
00:33:36 in a coma he could
00:33:39 not go to a bishop in a coma and ask for
00:33:44 um did god forgive me i mean i know
00:33:47 bishops say they don’t forgive it it’s
00:33:48 god
00:33:49 but they claim it has to come through
00:33:52 the understanding has to come through
00:33:53 bishop that’s
00:33:55 that they’ve been given the right and
00:33:58 the jurisdiction
00:33:59 or the stewardship god gave them
00:34:03 to be able to forgive us right but
00:34:06 is it if i’m remembering right off of my
00:34:08 head it’s mosiah 28
00:34:10 um but he went around to the different
00:34:13 areas and repented he didn’t go to
00:34:16 different bishops and say okay
00:34:18 can you forgive me too he went to the
00:34:20 individual
00:34:21 people that he wrote and he didn’t hurt
00:34:25 yeah right and said what
00:34:28 you know i’m sorry what can i do to to
00:34:31 repair this
00:34:32 it’s not that he went to each bishop in
00:34:34 each local congregation
00:34:37 and started confessing his sins he went
00:34:39 to the people that he actually hurt
00:34:41 himself
00:34:43 um and and this also goes on to show
00:34:46 that um god forgives us
00:34:49 immediately even before
00:34:52 yeah there’s no waiting for the acts
00:34:54 because
00:34:55 i mean the lds church teaches we need to
00:34:57 go do the acts first
00:34:58 right alma the younger was in a coma
00:35:02 he couldn’t do acts no he didn’t
00:35:05 change his heart he changed his heart
00:35:08 and that’s when he was forgiven
00:35:10 and then he did the acts when he had the
00:35:12 opportunity to do them
00:35:15 okay then he became more
00:35:18 i’ll i’ll put on the headset and i’ll be
00:35:19 quiet sorry
00:35:22 yeah i’m working on it i’m being too
00:35:25 loud
00:35:27 i’m getting okay
00:35:31 hold on one second
00:35:38 okay can you hear me yeah okay
00:35:42 that’s why when the scripture says faith
00:35:45 without works
00:35:46 is dead yeah we put his
00:35:50 faith into actions after
00:35:54 the repentance and forgiveness i mean
00:35:56 the forgiveness
00:35:58 then he
00:36:02 worked toward allowing
00:36:05 the spirit to sanctify him
00:36:09 well he was already sanctified the thing
00:36:12 is that
00:36:12 when you are born a new person when
00:36:15 you’re born again
00:36:17 you then you still sin oh oh yeah we’re
00:36:20 not perfect we still sin
00:36:22 but we we try not to right that’s
00:36:25 what this spirit does by constantly
00:36:27 cleansing you
00:36:28 on each level right right we’re striving
00:36:32 to keep the law
00:36:34 um we’re not perfect at it we keep
00:36:37 striving to learn about it right and
00:36:40 seeking to keep it we’re not perfect at
00:36:44 it but right it’s this
00:36:47 new heart this new person is being born
00:36:50 again
00:36:51 as an alma five like star and the
00:36:53 baptists love to focus on being born
00:36:55 again
00:36:56 the born again is when you want
00:37:00 it’s that desire to keep his law
00:37:03 and then you go out and do it
00:37:07 and that’s what alma did he went out and
00:37:08 did it
00:37:11 because his heart was changed and he did
00:37:13 it when he had the opportunity
00:37:16 i mean he couldn’t just do repent to
00:37:18 everybody at that exact point
00:37:20 moment because he went around a big area
00:37:23 of location he couldn’t just go
00:37:25 immediately to these people in the wild
00:37:28 what
00:37:28 yeah because a while it i mean even if
00:37:32 we even in today’s society
00:37:34 it takes time and he suffered
00:37:39 the the persecution that he dished out
00:37:44 as you so you shall reap
00:37:49 sir he
00:37:52 uh people did not like
00:37:56 that he converted that is for sure i
00:37:59 would
00:37:59 probably imagine on both sides those who
00:38:02 believed
00:38:03 those who didn’t believe i’m sure he was
00:38:07 questioned if it was a true conversion
00:38:09 or not right
00:38:11 um right and satan uses
00:38:14 those to persecute
00:38:17 the ones that are seeking righteousness
00:38:21 right and god allows it to to be a test
00:38:25 to see if
00:38:26 to see if you really and endure yeah
00:38:29 the endure i i
00:38:32 even just using the bible i don’t
00:38:34 understand how one saved always saved
00:38:37 is correct i don’t believe it because
00:38:39 endure if you’re one saved always
00:38:42 saved why do you have you to endure
00:38:45 do it every day you have to choose every
00:38:49 single day
00:38:50 who your master is who are you going to
00:38:53 listen to
00:38:54 yeah yeah what what are you gonna
00:38:57 who are you gonna choose to be like
00:39:00 christ
00:39:01 or satan those are the two choices
00:39:06 there’s only two
00:39:06 churches there’s only the wheat and the
00:39:09 tares
00:39:12 you ultimately is you’re going to be one
00:39:14 or the other there is no
00:39:16 middle ground and there’s no standing
00:39:18 still you’re either progressing or
00:39:20 degressing
00:39:22 right
00:39:26 but i i just love the example of allah
00:39:29 the younger
00:39:30 for for this right because he was in a
00:39:33 coma
00:39:34 when he was forgiven he didn’t do any
00:39:36 actions
00:39:37 right his heart changed and then he was
00:39:41 forgiven
00:39:42 and because his heart changed when he
00:39:44 had the opportunity he did the actions
00:39:49 and faith without works is dead because
00:39:52 faith
00:39:53 causes you to do works
00:39:56 if you didn’t have faith you wouldn’t do
00:39:58 the works but if you have faith you
00:40:00 do the works
00:40:04 and in the works
00:40:07 is the fruit of our salvation
00:40:10 if we are saved we will do the works
00:40:13 because we have a new heart
00:40:17 we’re a new person we want to be like
00:40:22 that
00:40:24 absolutely right it’s
00:40:27 in fact when i read um
00:40:31 lehi’s tree of life vision uh
00:40:34 first nephi eight i i see fruit and i
00:40:38 see
00:40:39 works the works our fruits and fruits
00:40:41 are work
00:40:43 is what i see i do too
00:40:47 absolutely which compound did we apply
00:40:52 did we apply the truth
00:40:55 yeah yeah yeah
00:40:58 well i figured we would probably agree
00:41:01 on that
00:41:02 because we’re both trying to i i mean we
00:41:06 both
00:41:06 fail uh in our own different areas in
00:41:09 this but
00:41:10 that’s why we have each other to help
00:41:13 each other right
00:41:14 because and encourage encourage and also
00:41:18 for whatever reason
00:41:21 those in the body focus on different
00:41:23 things right
00:41:25 right and then they can teach these
00:41:27 different things to different people
00:41:30 who they didn’t focus on it for whatever
00:41:33 reason
00:41:34 right we’re supposed to be
00:41:37 and i think it’s partly to help keep us
00:41:39 humble
00:41:42 right it’s not just about me
00:41:46 it’s about learning yahweh’s
00:41:50 ways not saying that i’ve figured it all
00:41:53 out
00:41:54 because god talks to us all
00:41:57 and value one another as we are
00:42:01 practiced
00:42:02 to one another
00:42:07 yeah we should be a body
00:42:10 if we’re not helping each other we’re
00:42:12 not a body
00:42:14 i do not enjoy
00:42:18 being in certain groups and watching
00:42:23 individuals harden their heart
00:42:26 because they have a different somebody
00:42:30 has a different opinion or has studied
00:42:35 a different area a little bit more
00:42:39 than what they do and their ideas in
00:42:43 and as it’s different or it has a little
00:42:46 bit more
00:42:49 it’s like no i can’t hear it
00:42:53 i can’t accept it and that
00:42:56 is not the way the lord
00:43:00 intended us to learn from one another
00:43:02 just like you said
00:43:04 we are to seek truth from all places
00:43:08 there’s definitely a lot of contentious
00:43:11 in order to seek truth there has to be
00:43:14 humility
00:43:16 oh yeah yeah um i i
00:43:19 i know like for me i know i don’t know
00:43:22 everything
00:43:23 but i will also say that someone just
00:43:26 giving some random opinion
00:43:28 why i’m wrong without quoting scriptures
00:43:32 and expounding scriptures
00:43:33 doesn’t mean much to me because i’ve
00:43:35 studied
00:43:37 i know i don’t know everything but if
00:43:38 you’re just going to give me the general
00:43:40 narrative of christianity or
00:43:42 the lds church as a reason why i’m wrong
00:43:45 you know what i’m skipping over your
00:43:48 comment
00:43:48 and it doesn’t mean anything to me i’ve
00:43:51 done some study
00:43:52 if you want to have a discussion and
00:43:54 start expounding some scriptures to me
00:43:57 why i could be wrong then i’ll really
00:43:59 start listening
00:44:00 right well i see
00:44:03 online that individuals
00:44:09 like you’re putting out scriptures
00:44:13 and then those scriptures the word of
00:44:16 god
00:44:17 is ignored for the word of man
00:44:22 oh yeah
00:44:26 in jesus’s time they had their false
00:44:30 validity of men or their leaders right
00:44:33 it still goes on today there’s nothing
00:44:35 new under the sun
00:44:39 and just back then they thought um god
00:44:42 would tell his leaders what the new way
00:44:44 is
00:44:45 that’s the same thing that’s going on
00:44:46 now it’s not
00:44:48 it’s not anything different i i mean
00:44:51 this hunter guy right i i talk about how
00:44:55 i bring
00:44:56 quotes in from joseph smith and from the
00:44:58 book of mormon how
00:44:59 it’s all the same god’s ways don’t
00:45:01 change he’s like well that’s before the
00:45:03 resurrection
00:45:04 i’m like not the quotes from joseph
00:45:06 smith
00:45:07 and he doesn’t respond to that
00:45:10 um anyways
00:45:14 they have their traditions
00:45:18 [Music]
00:45:19 and hunter he even said you know i’m
00:45:21 rejecting jesus christ i’m like well
00:45:24 we’ll see i’m quoting scriptures
00:45:28 you’re just quoting the general uh lds
00:45:31 theology and christian theology
00:45:34 um we’ll see
00:45:39 but
00:45:43 you know they’ll bree when i woke up
00:45:46 it was partly because someone was saying
00:45:49 something that i thought was wrong
00:45:52 and i’m like i gotta show them how
00:45:53 they’re wrong
00:45:55 but what i i think where i was different
00:45:57 than this hunter guy
00:45:59 right is i actually searched the
00:46:01 scriptures to see what they said
00:46:03 i i just i didn’t know any better
00:46:07 i mean the scriptures talk about how
00:46:09 some people don’t know
00:46:11 are lost because they don’t know where
00:46:12 to look right
00:46:15 i account myself as one of those um
00:46:17 personally
00:46:18 but i mean everybody will have a
00:46:20 different opinion on that if that’s true
00:46:21 or not right
00:46:24 but i i looked and i studied and i
00:46:27 learned that i
00:46:28 was wrong and i changed
00:46:32 my thoughts feelings and beliefs
00:46:36 because of it oh yeah well it takes
00:46:38 humility
00:46:39 okay i mean you could have said ah well
00:46:43 yeah it’s saying this but i’m still
00:46:45 going to continue
00:46:46 believing the way i want to believe oh
00:46:50 so i i mean there’s multiple
00:46:54 i i would say that there’s like three
00:46:56 major people that really helped me
00:46:58 out with me waking up to the problems in
00:47:02 the u.s church
00:47:03 um but one i’ll bring up right now is
00:47:07 uh rock watermen his blog some of my new
00:47:11 friends shared with me initially exactly
00:47:16 initially i thought well rock has some
00:47:18 good stuff but you know he’s kind of
00:47:20 critical of lds leaders but i like some
00:47:21 of the other stuff he
00:47:22 says so i’m going to continue and you
00:47:25 know what i think now
00:47:27 i don’t think he was critical enough
00:47:30 look at some of my
00:47:31 rights he was easy on them
00:47:34 i think i call him out there more than
00:47:36 alan allen erotic
00:47:38 sometimes right i i don’t know maybe
00:47:42 that’s a personal opinion some but
00:47:45 now that i’ve woken up i’m like he
00:47:47 didn’t call him out enough
00:47:48 [Music]
00:47:50 right so completely different paradigm
00:47:54 right and i think it’s right it’s the
00:47:57 fact that
00:47:57 instead of going off the traditions of
00:47:59 men i’ve gone to the scriptures
00:48:02 more i mean i thought i looked at the
00:48:03 scriptures yes before
00:48:06 and i did before but nowhere
00:48:10 near to the degree that i do now
00:48:13 well here’s an example um
00:48:17 i opened to it again so maybe we’re
00:48:20 supposed to read it
00:48:22 okay that it talks i mean nephi was
00:48:26 told that
00:48:30 god himself would come down right
00:48:34 yeah okay
00:48:37 multiple places it’s it’s all over the
00:48:40 place
00:48:41 thank you thank you
00:48:45 now until rock
00:48:48 opened my eyes because of his
00:48:51 willingness to stick his neck
00:48:52 out on the chopping block and the church
00:48:55 had asked him to take
00:48:57 his blog down i don’t believe
00:49:00 any ecclesiastical leader
00:49:03 has the right to ask
00:49:07 another member to take
00:49:10 something down from their personal life
00:49:15 and from their own study i know
00:49:18 in fact that goes against what i dnc
00:49:22 you told me how to keep it remember now
00:49:24 i’ve forgotten dnc 121
00:49:26 something about you know amy to their
00:49:28 priesthood
00:49:30 they’re they’re showing one one yeah
00:49:33 what verse is it or verses
00:49:36 three years but anyways
00:49:40 that’s what the elders church does is
00:49:49 and convince him that it was wrong so he
00:49:50 would take it down himself
00:49:52 they try to force him to take it down
00:49:55 and that’s amen to their priesthood
00:50:00 meaning they don’t have it anymore
00:50:03 and it says it also says
00:50:06 almost all men as soon as they get
00:50:10 a little the word little
00:50:14 authority they suppose they will
00:50:17 immediately begin to exercise
00:50:19 unrighteous dominion
00:50:24 so which verses is that three oh
00:50:27 that’s 39. but the one that says
00:50:31 um the priesthood are steadily connected
00:50:35 with the powers of heaven
00:50:37 that the path of heaven can not be
00:50:39 controlled
00:50:41 nor handled only
00:50:44 upon the principle of righteousness and
00:50:47 righteousness this is verse 36
00:50:50 righteousness is respecting
00:50:54 others agency
00:50:58 agency you mean the ability for them to
00:51:00 make their own choices
00:51:03 yes yes and then it says in verse 37
00:51:08 that they may be conferred upon us it’s
00:51:11 true
00:51:12 but when we undertake to
00:51:15 cover our sins
00:51:19 or to gratify our pride
00:51:23 our vain ambition
00:51:26 or to exercise control
00:51:30 or dominion or compulsion
00:51:34 upon the souls of the children of men
00:51:37 and
00:51:37 any decree of unrighteousness
00:51:42 behold the heavens
00:51:45 withdraw themselves
00:51:48 the spirit of the lord
00:51:52 is greed that’s huge
00:51:56 oh yeah and when
00:52:00 it is withdrawn amen
00:52:04 to the priesthood or the authority
00:52:10 to that man
00:52:14 yeah and see i had one experience after
00:52:17 another
00:52:17 [Music]
00:52:19 in the church by the bishops by the
00:52:22 stake
00:52:22 president trying to control my
00:52:25 relationship
00:52:26 with my savior
00:52:31 trying to control the testimony that
00:52:35 he gave me to bear witness
00:52:40 i couldn’t say certain things i couldn’t
00:52:44 i was the music director and i
00:52:47 couldn’t choose certain hymns
00:52:51 because this this hymn
00:52:54 was only used for funerals
00:52:58 oh my father and this
00:53:01 hymn is only used on the 4th of july
00:53:07 star spangled banner
00:53:10 oh say can you see
00:53:15 and that’s i was like wow father
00:53:19 what is going on he showed me repeatedly
00:53:23 this scripture
00:53:27 and the next one it says behold
00:53:31 the one that trying to control the one
00:53:34 that is
00:53:35 doing the unrighteous acts
00:53:39 it says behold heir he
00:53:43 is aware he is left unto himself to kick
00:53:48 against the prick who does he persecute
00:53:52 to persecute the
00:53:55 and who does he fight against to fight
00:53:59 against god
00:54:03 yeah that’s a dangerous
00:54:06 position to be in uh yeah because you’ll
00:54:09 fail
00:54:10 when you’re trying to fight against god
00:54:12 i i completely
00:54:14 i forgot about that part so thank you
00:54:16 for pointing that out
00:54:22 yeah that’s in verse 38
00:54:26 yes i forgot about that part
00:54:31 well i’ve earned it numerous times
00:54:36 and when my family said if i’ve had
00:54:39 enough
00:54:40 i’m not going anymore and i said no man
00:54:43 will keep me
00:54:44 from where i choose to go to worship
00:54:48 my god and then
00:54:54 the lord eventually said don’t go back
00:54:59 sure oh well i i can definitely
00:55:03 understand that
00:55:04 god but i have not i have not
00:55:07 been told to remove i tried
00:55:11 through quit mormon dot com i think it
00:55:14 is
00:55:15 and i sent in the information and it
00:55:18 came back
00:55:19 that kirkton and mcconkey
00:55:22 the law firm that their law firm
00:55:26 says that i have to go and get a
00:55:30 militarization
00:55:31 okay hey hey bri give me one minute i’ll
00:55:33 be right back okay
00:55:35 okay i’ll be right back
00:55:38 so real quick before we go back to
00:55:41 our discussion so okay i i helped my
00:55:45 wife
00:55:45 change the diaper of my youngest but
00:55:48 he’s
00:55:49 he’s funny right he was even just doing
00:55:51 this he’ll point to his diaper
00:55:53 because he knows there’s a problem that
00:55:55 needs to change
00:55:57 but he doesn’t want to do the
00:56:02 steps that’s necessary to take care of
00:56:03 the problem
00:56:06 right humanity right we know there’s a
00:56:08 problem
00:56:11 we know there’s a problem but we don’t
00:56:13 want to return to god’s ways to fix the
00:56:15 problems
00:56:16 right it’s
00:56:19 we want to do it our way he’s trying to
00:56:22 yeah
00:56:22 i i i don’t know of other baby my our
00:56:25 first
00:56:26 was not this way but our youngest
00:56:30 when is diaper time he wiggles like mad
00:56:35 that’s why you have to always
00:56:39 give something new that they haven’t
00:56:41 played with like a day or so
00:56:44 to keep their interest okay
00:56:48 but literally my job is
00:56:52 listen i put one arm
00:56:56 one arm down on her thigh
00:57:00 okay and then the other one
00:57:04 the other one and i would quickly try to
00:57:08 do changing the key
00:57:12 the key i i and i’m older so
00:57:15 this is just the way i do it i get the
00:57:18 wipes out
00:57:19 ahead of time i get the lotion out ahead
00:57:22 of time
00:57:23 and um i even squirt a little bit
00:57:26 on her so she can smell it you know
00:57:29 she’s
00:57:30 busy smelling and um
00:57:33 then she has in her other hand she has a
00:57:36 toy
00:57:37 okay so i take
00:57:40 the new diaper slip it underneath
00:57:44 all right and then when you’re
00:57:47 lifting up and you’re taking care of the
00:57:50 soiled diaper you
00:57:51 already have the new diaper underneath
00:57:55 and that quickens things
00:57:59 uh i i i change the diapers
00:58:03 sometimes most the time though i
00:58:07 helping my wife hold the legs and do the
00:58:10 entertaining to
00:58:11 keep them distracted or or hold them
00:58:15 down
00:58:15 because so that way he he’s not wiggling
00:58:18 so much so
00:58:20 uh anyway he’s close to two
00:58:23 yeah i think he’s 20 months
00:58:26 yeah but anyways it’s just you know
00:58:29 that’s how humanity is right we know
00:58:31 that there’s a problem but we don’t want
00:58:33 to take care of it the right way
00:58:36 we don’t want to be still enough to hear
00:58:38 his voice
00:58:39 yeah that is for sure
00:58:42 anyways okay back to the discussion
00:58:46 no i thought that was a great analogy
00:58:49 well
00:58:50 yeah it fits in with what’s going on in
00:58:52 the world today
00:58:53 right very much so the world can see
00:58:57 there’s a problem
00:58:58 but they don’t want to fix it the right
00:58:59 way
00:59:01 so i’m going to share with you the
00:59:04 second scripture that he
00:59:06 points out to me over and over
00:59:09 when i’m dealing with man
00:59:12 and those in authority
00:59:15 is dnc 64.
00:59:18 okay let me go get that i don’t know
00:59:20 that one off top my head
00:59:25 i i’m not an expert in the dnc
00:59:32 i want to get better but i you know
00:59:35 studying the book of mormon to the
00:59:36 degree that i like to and
00:59:38 torah like the degree i like to it takes
00:59:40 up a lot of time it’s hard to add the
00:59:41 dnc to it
00:59:44 but i want to i do want to it’s just
00:59:47 it’s
00:59:48 it’s hard and i
00:59:52 i know that revelations have been
00:59:55 changed
00:59:57 but i see that so i i don’t do you
01:00:01 there’s a website i like i use when i go
01:00:03 there uh compare dnc
01:00:06 um i’ll give you the link it it
01:00:10 it doesn’t go to the times and seasons
01:00:12 so it’s it’s
01:00:14 not maybe not the most most thorough but
01:00:17 it’s thorough that it goes through all
01:00:18 the additions of the lds and shows
01:00:21 all the changes in the lds additions of
01:00:24 the dnc
01:00:25 so it’s pretty good in that way
01:00:29 okay i use that thanks to you
01:00:32 oh you already have it i don’t i don’t
01:00:35 know how to use
01:00:36 that when i’m talking to you oh so
01:00:42 um so the section is 64
01:00:47 verse 37 38
01:00:50 39 and 40.
01:00:54 and it says behold i the lord
01:00:58 have made my church in these last days
01:01:01 like unto a judge sitting on a hill
01:01:05 or in a high place to judge the nations
01:01:08 for it shall come to pass that the
01:01:10 inhabitants
01:01:12 of zion shall judge
01:01:16 shall judge all things pertaining to
01:01:18 zion
01:01:20 and liars and hypocrites shall
01:01:25 and they who are not apostles
01:01:28 and prophets shall be known
01:01:33 and even the bishop who is a judge
01:01:37 and his counselors if they are not
01:01:40 faithful
01:01:41 in their stewardship shall be condemned
01:01:44 and others shall be planted in their
01:01:47 stead
01:01:50 he has shown that to me repeatedly
01:01:57 i i really like 39
01:02:00 free yeah people will know
01:02:03 because of the you know the judges
01:02:06 hypocrites
01:02:10 there shall be no who’s not apostles and
01:02:12 prophets because they
01:02:13 judge that’s right
01:02:17 that’s right and then he says
01:02:21 in verse in section 112
01:02:25 i understand why
01:02:28 he says in verse 112 verse 23
01:02:34 through um
01:02:38 27 he says verily verily i say unto you
01:02:42 darkness covers the earth and gross
01:02:46 darkness
01:02:47 the minds of the people and all flesh
01:02:51 all flesh has become corrupt
01:02:55 before my faith
01:02:59 behold then comes speedily
01:03:03 upon the inhabitants of the earth
01:03:06 a day of wrath a day of burning
01:03:10 a day of desolation of weep
01:03:14 of mourning and of lamentation
01:03:19 and as a whirlwind it shall come
01:03:22 upon all the face of the earth
01:03:26 saith the lord and upon my
01:03:32 shall it begin and from
01:03:35 my house shall it go forth
01:03:39 saith the lord first
01:03:42 among those among you saith the lord
01:03:46 who have professed to
01:03:49 know my name and have not
01:03:53 known me and have blasphemed me
01:03:58 against me in the midst
01:04:01 my house saith the lord
01:04:05 therefore see to it that you trouble
01:04:08 yourselves you trouble not
01:04:12 yourselves concerning the affairs
01:04:15 of the church in this place saith the
01:04:18 lord
01:04:19 at that time what was going on
01:04:23 was brigham young
01:04:26 um willard richards
01:04:30 um oliver account
01:04:34 was no orson pratt or orson hyde
01:04:38 um who is the one doctor
01:04:43 the one that was doing spiritual wi-fi
01:04:48 um uh i’d have to look it up oh yeah
01:04:52 but it was dr somebody ben
01:04:56 was it benson um i don’t know
01:04:59 that that’s a part of the history i i’m
01:05:02 not a history buff
01:05:04 so i can’t answer that sorry
01:05:07 well they were practicing polygamy
01:05:10 oh yeah or they called it spiritual
01:05:12 wifery then
01:05:13 i’ll tell you my king brigham post that
01:05:16 i think you’ve read
01:05:18 that pushed me on my history knowledge
01:05:21 i’ll tell you
01:05:23 that was hard for me okay
01:05:26 i mean i i think i did a pretty good job
01:05:29 but maybe i’m honest
01:05:32 excellent job i’ll tell you that was a
01:05:35 stretch
01:05:36 for me because i am no history buff
01:05:40 right and then he tells them this is the
01:05:44 key
01:05:45 what are the to be preaching okay
01:05:48 but purify your hearts before me
01:05:52 and then go ye into
01:05:56 all the world and preach my gospel
01:06:00 and to every her who has not received it
01:06:04 and he that believed that i
01:06:07 shall be saved and he said
01:06:11 not and is not baptized shall be damned
01:06:15 so on the part that where you need to
01:06:18 purify first
01:06:19 and then go out reminds me somewhere at
01:06:21 the mount of the temple because
01:06:23 you know chapter 7 and matthew is
01:06:26 it says then go out and help your
01:06:30 brother
01:06:30 meaning after you’ve repented then go on
01:06:36 you have to purify the tablets of your
01:06:39 heart
01:06:39 all right that’s what you have to have
01:06:42 law
01:06:44 living in your actions your words your
01:06:48 conversations
01:06:49 i agree you know you’re just with
01:06:52 relationships
01:06:53 that’s what real repentance is so i
01:06:55 completely agree
01:06:56 i i just didn’t expound it don’t
01:06:58 understand it
01:06:59 yeah i just didn’t expound it like you
01:07:01 did so
01:07:02 i completely agree and
01:07:05 and it’s holding hands
01:07:09 in the walk it’s holding hands with the
01:07:12 lord in
01:07:14 your daily walk i
01:07:18 i mean one of my favorite quotes from
01:07:20 joseph smith
01:07:22 even though i don’t know word for word
01:07:24 it goes along that how joseph smith
01:07:27 wanted to go to god and he would take
01:07:29 others by the hand
01:07:30 to bring everyone that would come with
01:07:32 him i mean i know
01:07:34 that quote but which is funny because
01:07:36 it’s one of my favorites and i don’t
01:07:37 have it memorized right
01:07:40 i’m not worried about the principles and
01:07:42 the the very specific words
01:07:44 but he didn’t just say okay
01:07:48 preach to them and let them be he’s like
01:07:50 take them by the hand
01:07:52 and bring them with you and that didn’t
01:07:55 work and you hold
01:07:58 hands the lord used to when
01:08:01 i had visiting teaching calling
01:08:05 i would be going and visiting teaching
01:08:08 at two o’clock in the morning
01:08:10 if it needed be sure because somebody
01:08:13 would call me
01:08:14 and their heart was breaking or they
01:08:16 were struggling
01:08:17 with something now my friends
01:08:21 my sisters they would go oh the 15
01:08:24 minutes that i did at visiting teaching
01:08:26 that was my visiting teaching
01:08:29 i’m done you know i even though i know
01:08:31 the history of
01:08:32 home teaching visit teaching was to spy
01:08:34 on the members
01:08:35 i didn’t know that at the time but uh
01:08:38 when i was a member i liked it
01:08:40 i enjoyed in fact even when i had work
01:08:43 assignments that took me out of the
01:08:44 country
01:08:45 for more than a month i still made sure
01:08:47 i did my home
01:08:48 teaching because i i actually i enjoyed
01:08:51 it
01:08:52 right because because i cared well those
01:08:55 were the ones
01:08:57 that god gave you stewardship to hold
01:09:00 hands
01:09:01 with and take that walk with
01:09:05 is the way i was taught
01:09:08 i i i saw it as an assigned friend
01:09:12 so which is kind of the same thing right
01:09:15 um because those who jesus called
01:09:18 friends were those who were close to him
01:09:20 and were keeping his way yes it was not
01:09:23 some just
01:09:24 casual word like in today’s language but
01:09:27 anyways
01:09:28 um although it was a sign i i felt like
01:09:31 they were friends or i tried to have
01:09:33 them
01:09:33 to be friends anyways um oh yeah
01:09:37 we would have them over we would have
01:09:39 them
01:09:43 yes we’re i mean what i 18 talks about
01:09:47 you know
01:09:48 part of the baptismal covenant is
01:09:51 to care for your brothers and sisters
01:09:55 yes
01:09:57 yes you mourn with them you comfort them
01:10:02 know it’s it’s it’s an inconvenient
01:10:05 time that they call you oh well
01:10:08 get over it get out of bed
01:10:12 and do it
01:10:16 they’re in need of comfort go help them
01:10:17 right
01:10:19 yeah assuming they’re not just abusing
01:10:22 it right
01:10:23 because there’s some people that too no
01:10:25 these were
01:10:26 these were legit and there were times
01:10:28 that the lord led me
01:10:30 out of bed because i had
01:10:33 told him i wanted to be alerted
01:10:37 if there was a need let me know so that
01:10:40 i can feel that need
01:10:42 be your hands be your
01:10:45 mouth be your heart at that moment
01:10:49 hug whatever and um
01:10:52 there’s this one sister that was going
01:10:54 to commit suicide
01:10:55 and the lord woke me up and said you
01:10:57 need to go and see
01:10:59 so on so now and go on
01:11:03 all back and
01:11:06 i’m glad you were in tune because i
01:11:08 would knock
01:11:12 yeah i was knocking on her door
01:11:15 and she had the gun to her head
01:11:18 she had to stop and see
01:11:22 who the heck was knocking on her door at
01:11:26 two o’clock in the morning
01:11:29 and because i showed up
01:11:33 she knew god was aware
01:11:38 of her pain
01:11:42 and that happened to another but it was
01:11:44 a
01:11:45 brother that was under attack by satan
01:11:50 and so i took it
01:11:53 very seriously when heavenly father
01:11:58 gives us callings or when he gives
01:12:01 people to work with i took it very
01:12:05 seriously
01:12:06 that i wanted to be able
01:12:10 to hear the spirit direct me
01:12:14 at a given breath moment
01:12:18 and my husband bless his heart he was so
01:12:21 used to me
01:12:23 you know just up and saying i need to go
01:12:26 and i didn’t have to explain
01:12:29 no and then afterwards i would tell him
01:12:31 well this
01:12:36 for sure it’s happened enough that he
01:12:37 knew he was he was really understanding
01:12:40 that’s good that’s good yes well
01:12:43 it sounds like you’re a good person bri
01:12:45 and that you were in tune
01:12:49 that’s good because i’m sure you’ve
01:12:51 helped a lot of people out because of
01:12:52 that
01:12:57 well i
01:13:00 i don’t know what i’m doing now i know
01:13:03 that i get
01:13:04 to study but
01:13:07 i am i’m i’m
01:13:11 i’m not feeling the promptings as much
01:13:16 it is just with my family
01:13:19 you know you’re not going to church now
01:13:22 so that you’re not interacting as much
01:13:24 but
01:13:25 i sometimes i feel that way even too
01:13:29 bri because sometimes i wonder what am i
01:13:31 doing
01:13:32 [Music]
01:13:33 um and occasionally god gives me
01:13:35 reminders you know keep it up you’re
01:13:38 you’re doing good but sometimes
01:13:42 it’s you know i don’t like being in the
01:13:44 dark
01:13:46 it feels like we’re in the wilderness
01:13:48 yeah well i don’t know very symbolic
01:13:52 [Music]
01:13:56 yeah i i feel
01:14:00 that his church has been put in the
01:14:04 wilderness
01:14:05 oh yeah yeah and
01:14:08 it’s there for multiple reasons one to
01:14:10 learn to grow and
01:14:12 and connect with him right but
01:14:16 right i know it’s good for us but that
01:14:19 doesn’t mean i always like it
01:14:23 no no and i’m there too
01:14:28 well this is kind of lonely you know
01:14:31 because i’m a very people person
01:14:33 you know i can i can talk to a total
01:14:35 stranger and be
01:14:36 bosom buddies i
01:14:40 you know growing up i i was um
01:14:43 an introvert growing up i
01:14:46 in my adult life i took some
01:14:49 um self-help classes which
01:14:53 um self-help is part of the new age and
01:14:57 part of
01:14:58 um the order of core i see it now
01:15:02 we could talk about that someday
01:15:04 but i did get some good things out of it
01:15:07 even though there’s a lot more bad in it
01:15:11 but it did help me get me more out of my
01:15:13 shell i’m a lot more social than i used
01:15:15 to be
01:15:16 so there was some good out of it but it
01:15:18 would have been better to get it a
01:15:20 different way
01:15:20 than that way but anyways
01:15:24 well we all have different paths how we
01:15:27 learn
01:15:29 yeah as long as we come to the lord
01:15:33 so he says it’s a great and narrow path
01:15:36 but what i’ve noticed
01:15:40 to get to that straight into path
01:15:43 others had to make all different kinds
01:15:45 of paths until they found that straight
01:15:47 a narrow path
01:15:49 you know because we’re all fallen and
01:15:53 right we don’t recognize the wisdom
01:15:58 of his way in until
01:16:02 that we’ve gone and done our own and
01:16:04 found out that
01:16:05 oh there’s our way actually really does
01:16:08 cause
01:16:08 problems we’ve come to understand the
01:16:11 good
01:16:12 and the easy and it is in a wasteland
01:16:15 yeah well you know we’ve the knowledge
01:16:18 like i acknowledge of the tree of good
01:16:22 and evil
01:16:23 knowledge has to do with intimate
01:16:25 knowledge
01:16:27 we have gained intimate knowledge of
01:16:29 what good and evil
01:16:31 is like because of this thought oh yeah
01:16:34 and so it tastes the bitter
01:16:37 yeah the size the sleep a few of us
01:16:41 have been turned to to god
01:16:44 because of this experience sadly most
01:16:48 do not but right
01:16:51 anyways in fact one thing um
01:16:54 i made a connection today on
01:16:58 so the masons in their oath
01:17:03 that you you take you say that you’ll
01:17:06 take care of your brother masons more
01:17:08 than other people
01:17:09 torah teaches that you should take care
01:17:11 of everyone
01:17:13 the same even the sermon on the mountain
01:17:15 teaches that
01:17:16 right god takes care of the the good and
01:17:18 evil and he sends rain to everybody even
01:17:21 the good and evil
01:17:22 we’re supposed to take care of
01:17:25 everyone the same whether they’re a
01:17:28 believer or not
01:17:30 and i got a reminder today that that’s
01:17:32 what torah teaches and when
01:17:34 i got that i remembered how
01:17:38 masons are taught something different
01:17:40 contrary
01:17:41 to that and i didn’t realize that when i
01:17:44 was going yeah because
01:17:45 the office you’ll take care of your
01:17:47 mason brothers more than other people
01:17:50 that’s contrary to the scriptures
01:17:51 there’s division there’s not
01:17:54 there’s not unity and there’s the eq
01:17:57 in equality as well right right
01:18:00 i mean they say i they incorrectly say
01:18:04 it’s within the the brotherhood
01:18:06 but that’s not what the scriptures say
01:18:08 you’re supposed to do it with everybody
01:18:09 in fact
01:18:10 i mean along with those lines the masons
01:18:13 you know have these
01:18:14 signs and tokens so you can tell a one
01:18:16 brother from a part
01:18:18 while you’re in the light and in the
01:18:20 dark but god says
01:18:23 and there’s just be a good person for
01:18:25 everyone
01:18:27 period it doesn’t matter if they’re
01:18:30 um right brotherhood or not or if
01:18:34 they’re good or evil
01:18:35 just be good to them period because
01:18:37 that’s what i did
01:18:38 you should be good to them that’s right
01:18:42 and so i mean there’s just two
01:18:47 little things because
01:18:50 i’ve gone through it and so i have a
01:18:51 better more i have the intimate
01:18:54 knowledge
01:18:54 of it right that right that’s why i
01:18:57 wanted you
01:18:59 to add your input but
01:19:02 it’s sad they don’t have ears to hear
01:19:05 can you hold that thought you need it
01:19:07 for sure yeah i’ll probably
01:19:09 be right back oh plus okay well i was
01:19:12 just saying
01:19:15 i was just trying to say that right it’s
01:19:17 extremely hot
01:19:21 and it’ll burn my clothes that’s not
01:19:24 good
01:19:24 we don’t want that no i know
01:19:28 you know it was like oh outside because
01:19:30 it’s it’s raining for you right or it’s
01:19:32 going to rain so it’s okay you just run
01:19:34 outside
01:19:37 and and get them wet again right
01:19:41 anyway i one thing that’s in my picture
01:19:44 called
01:19:44 everything it states that you’re
01:19:48 you’ll be able to use your experiences
01:19:50 that you’ve had to help other people
01:19:52 and so i’ve tried to do that with
01:19:55 masonry and other things
01:19:57 to help right wake some people up
01:19:59 because
01:20:01 like there’s many who just don’t know
01:20:03 where to look like i didn’t
01:20:05 right and we’re just a lot of good
01:20:08 people are trying to do a lot of things
01:20:10 that they think are good
01:20:11 and they don’t know any better it’s
01:20:13 those who
01:20:14 know better and they not only know
01:20:17 better but know how to
01:20:18 express it to help other people see the
01:20:21 light
01:20:22 because knowing the light’s one thing
01:20:24 knowing how to express it and make
01:20:25 people’s
01:20:27 help them see it is a whole nother right
01:20:29 but anyways
01:20:31 yeah um and
01:20:34 not only you know trying to help them
01:20:36 but they’ve got to want to see it
01:20:39 oh yeah yeah if they don’t want to
01:20:41 listen you can’t
01:20:43 get down on yourself and
01:20:47 because all you can do is plant the seed
01:20:49 and then it’s up to them to listen
01:20:52 and that’s what i saw in that group
01:20:56 that i flagged you or you know let you
01:20:58 know about
01:21:00 i thought they don’t have ears to hear
01:21:03 you know i i commented a little bit on
01:21:05 that sub thread on masonry and
01:21:07 nobody liked it nobody yeah
01:21:11 it’s so i didn’t push anymore because i
01:21:13 didn’t get any
01:21:14 feedback from people but um i
01:21:18 couldn’t find i couldn’t find your
01:21:21 comment on joseph smith
01:21:25 um i think some of the comments were
01:21:27 removed
01:21:28 or i just couldn’t find them uh
01:21:32 i only i wouldn’t be surprised if either
01:21:35 um yeah
01:21:38 i know a lot of lds i like to say that
01:21:41 joseph smith was a mason
01:21:43 i find that debatable nowadays i’ll be
01:21:46 honest part of the reason i became
01:21:48 amazing because i thought he was a mason
01:21:50 but with some additional research
01:21:51 it’s debatable if he was or not see he
01:21:54 was only
01:21:56 he he went in he found out what it’s
01:21:59 about
01:22:00 and he got out and he warned others
01:22:04 not to go in well
01:22:07 stayed in to the 33rd
01:22:11 degree well that
01:22:14 was only three degrees well
01:22:18 anyways um and that is on
01:22:22 the record listen
01:22:25 it’s on the record in nauvoo in the
01:22:28 lodge
01:22:29 yeah and if you’ve read the exoneration
01:22:32 of emma
01:22:33 joseph smith and hiram he brings out how
01:22:36 those
01:22:36 records have a lot of empty spaces
01:22:40 in them showing that they’re modified
01:22:43 and so there’s a very good chance that
01:22:44 joseph smith was never amazing because
01:22:46 he’s on the pages
01:22:48 that there’s these blank spaces on just
01:22:51 like joseph smith’s
01:22:52 journals because they added extra spaces
01:22:56 so they could add things in
01:22:57 after the fact just like and that’s part
01:23:00 of the reason
01:23:01 why the other masons in the area were
01:23:04 after
01:23:04 the the brigham young and other masons
01:23:08 because they were
01:23:09 they were finding out they were doing
01:23:10 things like this so that way they
01:23:13 could lie about things later because
01:23:16 although
01:23:17 amazing although there’s problems the
01:23:19 masons
01:23:20 the masons are very particular about
01:23:23 their records
01:23:24 and that’s part of the reason i believe
01:23:26 after reading this book
01:23:27 that the masons in the area were after
01:23:31 the lds masons or at least brigham young
01:23:33 and
01:23:34 his stuff because they weren’t keeping
01:23:36 their records
01:23:38 accurately they were leaving these holes
01:23:42 so they could fill things in after the
01:23:43 fact so on and so forth but
01:23:46 anyways
01:23:49 wow that makes a whole lot of sense
01:23:54 because you can’t prove it a hundred
01:23:56 percent that’s
01:23:57 hard yeah
01:24:05 and the fact that so one of the
01:24:08 arguments is that joseph smith
01:24:10 supposedly became mason to help receive
01:24:12 protection
01:24:14 uh yeah you froze can you you froze
01:24:17 uh here i’m gonna pause for a minute so
01:24:22 there’s an argument with people that
01:24:25 apparently joseph smith
01:24:26 joined the masons because he wanted to
01:24:29 help get
01:24:30 protection for the members but the
01:24:32 masons were hated at that time so why
01:24:35 would he go to a hated group to help
01:24:37 to get protection that makes no sense
01:24:39 especially since there weren’t that many
01:24:41 at that time um there were if anything
01:24:44 joining the masons would have brought
01:24:46 more persecution
01:24:49 it would have brought more because he
01:24:51 did this and now he’s amazing now he’s
01:24:53 going to get more
01:24:54 because the masons were hated at that
01:24:56 time
01:24:57 they weren’t lying in fact most of the
01:25:00 early
01:25:00 writings from why were they hated
01:25:04 the masons yeah uh
01:25:08 there’s lots of reasons um in fact
01:25:11 there i don’t want to get too much into
01:25:13 it right now but
01:25:17 well mason’s the
01:25:21 masons although they say they’re not a
01:25:24 religion their religion
01:25:25 it’s just that’s just something they say
01:25:28 a former religion
01:25:30 i know but i i mean even that thread
01:25:32 where you told me to go talk with hunter
01:25:34 is on
01:25:34 they’re saying masonry is not a religion
01:25:37 it’s a religion
01:25:39 no i’m just telling you that’s what’s
01:25:40 there they they say it but
01:25:42 they don’t know i hope but i hope
01:25:45 if they go to other degrees that their
01:25:48 eyes
01:25:49 are open and they’re going well wait a
01:25:51 minute
01:25:53 this isn’t what i was after
01:25:56 well i so
01:25:59 i woke up i i’ll be honest i’m not
01:26:02 god just put it in my heart and then i
01:26:04 started seeing it
01:26:05 um but i pray that god puts it in their
01:26:09 heart
01:26:10 yeah because they’re quite influential
01:26:14 yes so unless you know
01:26:18 someone that really knows masonry and
01:26:21 then really knows the scriptures
01:26:23 you’re gonna have i i wanted the truth
01:26:26 in fact i’ll tell you i joined the
01:26:27 masons to help me understand the
01:26:29 scriptures but ironically it’s
01:26:30 understanding the scriptures more which
01:26:32 is what
01:26:33 which has helped me leave masonry
01:26:37 but there’s a lot of people like me at
01:26:39 the time when i joined
01:26:40 they’re just doing to try to find truth
01:26:43 and if so there there’s
01:26:47 two things ultimately it has to be a
01:26:49 heart change from god
01:26:51 but if it’s only from god it takes a
01:26:53 little it
01:26:57 we let me start this over i didn’t start
01:27:00 that very well
01:27:03 those who understand masonry and
01:27:05 understand the scriptures
01:27:07 more can help the really the real truth
01:27:11 seekers get out better
01:27:12 than just there’s a lot of people out
01:27:15 there
01:27:16 that just claim things about masonry or
01:27:18 just have these
01:27:19 cute little facts that they think are
01:27:21 true
01:27:22 that masons who aren’t people who are
01:27:24 really our masons just know that’s not
01:27:26 true and then they just
01:27:27 laugh it off and like you’re an idiot
01:27:28 you don’t know what you’re talking about
01:27:29 and they don’t listen to the rest
01:27:31 there’s misinformation
01:27:33 going on on purpose and i would
01:27:36 be honest in saying that i believe that
01:27:40 there’s
01:27:40 masons at the top or the cabal or the
01:27:43 bad people who know what’s going on but
01:27:45 they give the bad information out on
01:27:47 masonry
01:27:48 because they know those who don’t know
01:27:49 what’s going on will repeat
01:27:51 the wrong stuff and it’ll make it the
01:27:54 masons
01:27:55 know that they just don’t know what
01:27:56 they’re talking about because it really
01:27:57 and they can
01:27:58 mock it yeah and then they just ignore
01:28:00 them because they have the bad
01:28:02 information like you just don’t know
01:28:03 what you’re talking about and they’re
01:28:04 right
01:28:06 those ones with the bad information may
01:28:08 or may not know that masonry is wrong
01:28:10 they could just be repeating information
01:28:12 or they may know who knows
01:28:14 right we don’t know that person but
01:28:16 either way
01:28:17 that bad information is not helping the
01:28:19 conversation
01:28:21 because i saw the bad information and i
01:28:23 just laughed at it i’m like
01:28:25 you don’t know what you’re talking about
01:28:26 to some degree i was a
01:28:28 mason an apologist i i mean not
01:28:32 as much i am the book of mormon and
01:28:34 torah right
01:28:35 but a little bit right but
01:28:38 when i finally woke up because god
01:28:40 changed my heart and i started seeing it
01:28:42 god
01:28:42 led me to things that showed me how they
01:28:45 were contradicting the scriptures and i
01:28:47 just told you a little bit one that
01:28:49 i wasn’t really look informationary but
01:28:51 it came to my mind
01:28:52 right that that contradicts the masonry
01:28:54 oath
01:28:56 that they have their secret oath right
01:28:58 um
01:28:59 and something like that would hopefully
01:29:01 help someone wake up because they know
01:29:03 the oath
01:29:04 and you can point it to the scriptures
01:29:05 and like oh crap
01:29:07 maybe yeah where this
01:29:10 information out there that’s false that
01:29:12 people just repeat because they just
01:29:14 know it’s true they just know with all
01:29:16 the feelings of their
01:29:17 fiber of their being right and
01:29:21 it’s false and someone who’s been
01:29:23 through the ceremonies and is amazing
01:29:25 we’ll just know it’s false and just
01:29:26 laugh at them like you don’t know what
01:29:28 you’re talking about
01:29:29 and they’re right they don’t
01:29:32 there’s reasons for misinformation
01:29:34 because it keeps people in organizations
01:29:36 and ignorant yes yes it keeps them in
01:29:40 bondage
01:29:42 so hopefully i should write a i need to
01:29:44 write more posts on masonry but i need
01:29:46 to write more posts on a lot of things
01:29:48 it takes time yeah
01:29:52 and maybe i try to put too much thought
01:29:54 into my posts i don’t know
01:29:56 it’s a balancing act and i’m i would say
01:29:59 i don’t always know where the balance is
01:30:01 but at least i try
01:30:02 right at least i’m trying
01:30:06 um right and you know one thing i like
01:30:09 about these videos being recorded
01:30:11 these thoughts get out there someone
01:30:13 picks it up great
01:30:17 because right it’s one thing to say it’s
01:30:20 a whole nother thing to write it
01:30:22 i mean even in moroni i said that in the
01:30:25 book of mormon right and ether it’s
01:30:27 it’s one thing to preach it’s another
01:30:30 thing to write i completely understand
01:30:33 oh yeah
01:30:34 because you’re you’re speaking under the
01:30:36 influence of the
01:30:37 spirit and then what i have found
01:30:41 when the spirit gives the down love it’s
01:30:44 so
01:30:45 much faster than my hand oh to be able
01:30:48 to record
01:30:49 you know my my much versus all post
01:30:53 so that was a quick little i got that
01:30:56 from god right the basics of it but then
01:30:58 when i started trying to write it out
01:30:59 he’s
01:31:00 saying add this add this at this so i
01:31:02 got the basic understanding but when i
01:31:04 started writing it out
01:31:05 he’s like you need to add this you need
01:31:07 to add that to you know to help other
01:31:09 people understand it
01:31:11 and it got long yeah
01:31:15 you got a little log yeah yeah
01:31:18 um but it’s all pretty much relevant to
01:31:21 the main subject
01:31:22 even the side subjects somewhat go along
01:31:24 with it
01:31:25 um anyways and
01:31:28 some things in there i think i believe
01:31:31 god gave me to help
01:31:32 warn people of the the second coming in
01:31:35 it because i
01:31:36 i talk about that in there but anyways
01:31:41 um so hopefully
01:31:46 i’m going to have to call this
01:31:51 to an end no that’s fine because i’m
01:31:53 feeling
01:31:54 really really tired i used
01:31:58 up my little nap already
01:32:02 no no go sleep you deserve it you
01:32:06 you’ve been going through a lot lately
01:32:10 so i was just happy to have you come and
01:32:12 do sacrament
01:32:17 well i’ve enjoyed it i always learned
01:32:20 something new and um
01:32:24 i like i said i will do this as long as
01:32:27 we have the opportunity
01:32:29 to do it in the freedom to do it
01:32:32 we never know tomorrow
01:32:35 so i they may make it hard for us to
01:32:38 meet in person
01:32:39 which i actually i it would be better to
01:32:41 meet in person right but
01:32:43 you’re in missouri and i’m in argentina
01:32:46 so that’s kind of impossible
01:32:50 but right even when they
01:32:53 don’t let us i mean if there’s legal
01:32:55 reason we can’t meet a person they’re
01:32:56 still
01:32:57 we could always still meet on the
01:32:58 internet so i
01:33:00 i think it’d be hard to make it so we
01:33:02 couldn’t well
01:33:03 but i guess we’ll see what happens right
01:33:06 i don’t know because um the talk
01:33:09 and i don’t i don’t believe it i think
01:33:11 it’s a direction because
01:33:13 they need a distraction but this nibiru
01:33:17 thing oh i gotta i haven’t looked into
01:33:20 that i
01:33:20 think that’s going that’s going on
01:33:23 because i
01:33:24 i’ve been trying to focus on more
01:33:29 study and religious things and the
01:33:32 upcomings the last couple days because
01:33:33 it’s the sabbath so
01:33:35 i haven’t been following that but i need
01:33:38 to
01:33:38 so if you want to tell me about that
01:33:40 some because i saw a little bit about it
01:33:43 i don’t know much
01:33:47 so where is it
01:33:51 there was something that was pointed out
01:33:53 to me
01:33:56 and remember i’m i’m studying the flat
01:33:59 earth
01:34:00 which isn’t really flat but
01:34:14 okay so i turned to the scriptures
01:34:19 and all of a sudden i saw and i’m trying
01:34:23 to find it
01:34:26 um he showed me
01:34:29 a script oh thank you father
01:34:33 it’s like i can’t find it i can’t
01:34:35 remember
01:34:37 so it’s in
01:34:40 alma and it’s
01:34:44 um the
01:34:47 where core
01:34:51 is talking 30
01:34:55 cars alma 30. okay thank you
01:34:59 okay well i’m in the 1830 okay
01:35:05 book of mormon yeah
01:35:09 it was small i was able to just pick
01:35:12 that up well that looks like the red one
01:35:15 i gave you
01:35:17 no no the red one is here
01:35:20 it’s heavier i i mean a small plate
01:35:25 okay and and so
01:35:28 it’s heavy and i’m on a futon
01:35:33 okay all right no that’s fine i like
01:35:36 i don’t always use my red one right the
01:35:38 earliest text
01:35:39 what because cuz it’s not the most
01:35:43 convenient edition even though it’s my
01:35:45 favorite
01:35:46 right yeah
01:35:49 see it’s my favorite too it’s full
01:35:53 at the same time so anyway it is alma
01:35:56 30.
01:35:56 okay core horizontal 30 and the lds
01:36:00 in in the lds yeah and
01:36:04 alma is
01:36:07 telling him that you have
01:36:11 seen let me see if i can find
01:36:15 in um your
01:36:18 child
01:36:20 [Music]
01:36:22 poor is in the land okay he
01:36:25 contends
01:36:26 oh thank you father all right it’s verse
01:36:30 44
01:36:31 and he says and alma said unto him thou
01:36:34 hast had signs enough will ye tempt your
01:36:38 god
01:36:39 will you say show unto me a sign when
01:36:42 you have a testimony of all these
01:36:44 thy brethren and also all holy prophets
01:36:49 the scriptures are laid before thee and
01:36:52 all things denote there is a god
01:36:55 they even this earth the earth
01:36:58 and all things that are on the face
01:37:02 of it yay and it’s
01:37:05 motion gay and also
01:37:09 all the planets which move in their
01:37:13 firm do witness that there is a supreme
01:37:16 creator so i found another scripture
01:37:21 that you were teaching me
01:37:24 and jacob i think it was
01:37:31 you i think where it says and if we say
01:37:35 to the mountain
01:37:36 um move and and this and they say to the
01:37:40 earth
01:37:41 this remember um
01:37:46 i know where i have the link for it’s
01:37:48 jacob46
01:37:51 yeah i i just know where i have that
01:37:56 um indexed at
01:37:59 my onenote but yeah that’s four six
01:38:03 okay well i’ve i put it on the shelf
01:38:07 okay and so i’ve been asking heavenly
01:38:09 father show me
01:38:11 show me that the earth moves i don’t
01:38:14 believe
01:38:14 nasa i i believe
01:38:18 we we’ve talked about the verse in
01:38:20 helaman about the
01:38:22 how the earth goes around the sun
01:38:25 but anyways yes
01:38:29 so um
01:38:32 i don’t want to believe
01:38:36 nasa because i know where you know their
01:38:39 agenda is leading us oh yeah nasa lies
01:38:42 that i i i i saw your video
01:38:46 about the the rocket in outer space that
01:38:49 had the mouse
01:38:50 i i i i know no i know
01:38:55 they lie but that doesn’t mean
01:38:58 everything is alive nasa does lie
01:39:04 well we didn’t go to the moon okay
01:39:07 they lied about that i i’m 50 50
01:39:11 but anyways well i think enough evidence
01:39:16 for me i have ready for
01:39:19 five years now okay
01:39:22 and i seen enough proof
01:39:27 that even the astronauts good grief
01:39:31 when they’re sitting in front of the
01:39:33 mics there’s no excitement
01:39:36 oh there is they won’t admit it either
01:39:39 so i i’m not convinced one right
01:39:42 right now because of some other things
01:39:44 but anyways
01:39:46 so i’ve talked to a couple people
01:39:49 that have had encounters with the lord
01:39:52 they’ve had personal visitations
01:39:56 with them and when
01:39:59 they shared with me they shared
01:40:02 that they were raised above the earth
01:40:06 and
01:40:06 shown things and
01:40:10 that the is round
01:40:13 well i keep in my mind the earth can be
01:40:17 round
01:40:18 we can have a covering and it still can
01:40:20 be round
01:40:22 because he says it’s god’s
01:40:25 footstool i personally can’t see
01:40:29 a footstool spinning at a hundred
01:40:32 whatever miles they say well
01:40:36 you know so that anyways
01:40:42 the motion i’m still not sure
01:40:47 how the earth moves
01:40:50 so they’re are you familiar with the
01:40:52 viable
01:40:53 dibble drawing
01:40:58 um let me see if i can find it and i’ll
01:41:00 i’ll
01:41:01 give it to you real quick but you’re
01:41:03 familiar with anthony larson’s research
01:41:05 right
01:41:06 it’s so i’m going to butcher it here
01:41:10 right here’s this oh wait i can share my
01:41:12 screen so let me find it
01:41:14 and then i’ll share my screen one second
01:41:16 that that’s a good solution so
01:41:18 hold on but um
01:41:24 let me just get it
01:41:27 [Music]
01:41:31 i hope i have it hopefully i can find it
01:41:34 it’s more would i
01:41:35 because i have a lot of pictures
01:41:45 oh i know one um it may not be the best
01:41:49 one
01:41:49 but it’s one that got overlaid on the
01:41:52 conference center so i’ll
01:41:58 that’s not the best one
01:42:01 ah that’s a better one okay anyway
01:42:05 that’s one
01:42:06 question i will definitely ask the lord
01:42:09 no sure sure i i just there’s a lot of
01:42:12 people who claim have seen the lord
01:42:14 when i look at their teachings i don’t
01:42:16 believe it in fact the recent one that
01:42:18 you told me about
01:42:20 i don’t believe him and he blocked me on
01:42:22 facebook because you know why he blocked
01:42:24 me
01:42:25 is because a post that he had me read
01:42:28 claimed that he had a revelation that
01:42:30 said we’re supposed to break
01:42:32 the sacrament before we bless it
01:42:35 and so i asked him where’s the
01:42:37 revelation on that and he blocked me
01:42:40 because he talked about it in his post
01:42:43 and so i asked about it and then he
01:42:46 blocks me
01:42:47 but anyways i well and
01:42:50 curious i found that
01:42:55 i found a verse i think it’s 35 26
01:42:58 that um
01:43:04 and then they broke it and gave it to
01:43:08 the people so showing that
01:43:11 the blood the bread was not completely
01:43:14 broke before he blessed it
01:43:17 i mean i i didn’t have that verse before
01:43:19 he blocked me
01:43:20 i was just honestly he claimed to
01:43:22 revelation we’re supposed to share
01:43:24 revelations
01:43:26 he wouldn’t with me he was offended that
01:43:29 i asked
01:43:30 actually and then after he blocked me
01:43:34 i i just felt like i wanted to look i
01:43:36 found that one i think it’s 35
01:43:38 16 that contradicts what he claimed in
01:43:40 his blog post
01:43:42 he claims to have seen the lord and that
01:43:44 was a revelation from god
01:43:46 he’s a lawyer he is a liar
01:43:51 see um i read in third knee
01:43:54 [Music]
01:43:55 um
01:44:03 where he breaks it then blesses them
01:44:08 well uh i think it’s we can look if you
01:44:11 want i think it’s
01:44:11 35 26 is one i found that he he
01:44:15 blessed the apostles
01:44:18 or the disciples took no it’s 18.
01:44:22 no it’s not 18. it’s not yes it is
01:44:25 because i’m not not
01:44:26 the one that i’m talking about 13 by 18
01:44:29 is another one that’s about the
01:44:30 sacrament but the one i’m talking about
01:44:33 is not that one well that’s the one i
01:44:36 found
01:44:37 okay so we’re we’re looking at two
01:44:39 different ones
01:44:40 right but i’m talking about the one that
01:44:42 i found okay
01:44:44 and they broke the bread after it was
01:44:46 blessed
01:44:47 contrary to what he was claiming but
01:44:50 either way i just simply asked for
01:44:54 the supposed revelation that they were
01:44:56 claiming in the blog post
01:44:58 and he didn’t like that i asked for the
01:45:00 revelation
01:45:03 well i find that interesting because i
01:45:05 asked him a question
01:45:07 he didn’t have any problem well
01:45:10 i asked for a revelation that he’s
01:45:12 claiming
01:45:13 it’s quite so in joseph’s miss time
01:45:16 right some people believed in the book
01:45:19 of mormon
01:45:20 and they’re just saying well joseph
01:45:22 smith’s just making up these revelations
01:45:24 and so there was a revelation that you
01:45:27 go off and go make your own revelation
01:45:29 and
01:45:30 let it get tested and you couldn’t do it
01:45:35 all right in 35 26 your scripture
01:45:39 i turned immediately it’s the same
01:45:42 same the same thing that it says in
01:45:45 third nephi
01:45:47 18. third nephi 26 13
01:45:50 says therefore i would that ye should
01:45:53 behold that
01:45:54 the lord truly did teach the people for
01:45:58 the space of three days and after that
01:46:02 he did show himself unto them off and
01:46:05 did break
01:46:06 bread off and blessed it
01:46:11 and gave it on to
01:46:16 so like i sent you a message first
01:46:20 then he blessed it uh let me go find the
01:46:22 verse
01:46:23 okay because i sent it to you
01:46:27 but it was during your move um
01:46:30 but after
01:46:38 um
01:46:40 it was after that um
01:46:43 the the disciples broke it after it was
01:46:47 blessed
01:46:48 so if it’s this chapter like i think it
01:46:50 is we need to continue
01:46:52 reading the chapter not just part of it
01:46:55 you have to take it okay i’m just
01:46:56 talking about what the lord did
01:46:59 and then he is saying in his supposed
01:47:02 revelation
01:47:04 that people that the lord is
01:47:07 mad that people are breaking the sack
01:47:11 or breaking the bread after it’s blessed
01:47:14 after it’s blessed and i asked for the
01:47:17 revelation on that
01:47:18 and in 35 i think it’s 35 26 and this is
01:47:22 where i’m
01:47:22 i’m trying to talk to you and look at
01:47:24 the scripture i sent you because i
01:47:26 didn’t put it in my
01:47:27 one note um right
01:47:30 says that the disciples broke it after
01:47:33 it was blessed
01:47:34 i’m not talking about the lord breaking
01:47:36 i’m talking about how the disciples
01:47:38 broke it after
01:47:39 which contradicts his supposed
01:47:41 revelation
01:47:43 that he is claiming but on top of that
01:47:46 he’s not willing to
01:47:47 share it that’s just like how deborah
01:47:50 snuffer does
01:47:51 he claims revelations won’t share it
01:47:54 it’s the same thing as the lds church
01:47:55 does
01:47:56 they claim revelations but they won’t
01:47:58 share it i mean i can give you verses
01:48:00 from the dnc
01:48:01 and the book of mormon it says if you
01:48:03 receive revelations from god
01:48:05 publish them for people to see it
01:48:08 right right and i agree with you
01:48:11 he blocked me when i asked for that
01:48:14 revelation
01:48:15 oh okay so
01:48:19 i’m just i’m just asking to do what the
01:48:21 scriptures say to do
01:48:23 okay so where is it
01:48:28 the disciples doing it in 26 because 26
01:48:32 is a very short
01:48:35 well i i’m trying to find it again it
01:48:38 was a little after your
01:48:40 uh when you started your move i’m
01:48:42 looking through the comments
01:48:45 okay i i don’t know if that’s going to
01:48:47 be faster
01:48:49 or not than just trying to read it real
01:48:51 quick so i
01:48:52 i don’t know it’s a short it’s a
01:48:56 shorthand
01:48:58 it only had 21 verses well the thing is
01:49:02 i don’t i’m not sure if it’s
01:49:03 chapter 26 um i think it is
01:49:07 oh okay okay
01:49:14 see i would say that we are to follow
01:49:17 as he did
01:49:21 well okay but you got to take the whole
01:49:25 stuff he’s claiming the lord is mad
01:49:29 that they broke it after blessing it and
01:49:32 then
01:49:32 here’s an example of the disciples
01:49:34 breaking it after
01:49:35 it was blessed
01:49:41 he also claims
01:49:44 oh here we go oh no
01:49:48 it’s 35 20.
01:49:51 um sorry about the 35 yeah
01:49:57 he gives the instruction in verse 5
01:50:01 to the disciples and he says one
01:50:05 among you be ordained and
01:50:08 i give you power that he shall
01:50:12 break bread and bless it
01:50:15 and give it unto the people so there’s
01:50:18 three that i have found so far
01:50:22 no so break it and then bless it there’s
01:50:26 an order
01:50:28 here wait a minute let me hold on
01:50:32 so the one i’m
01:50:36 and now you’re saying go to 20
01:50:39 okay
01:50:42 he breaks it again so
01:50:46 35 24 and they had
01:50:50 eaten so they they jesus blessed
01:50:53 the sacrament they ate it and then they
01:50:56 sh then they
01:50:57 break the bread and gave it to people so
01:51:00 they broke the bread
01:51:02 after it was blessed no never and they
01:51:07 do they i’m looking at verse four
01:51:11 third negative you need to work it
01:51:14 okay you need to start with two though
01:51:17 okay
01:51:18 but it all right let me let me
01:51:21 talking to the at the multitude
01:51:24 okay and he commanded they should rise
01:51:26 and stand up upon their feet and they
01:51:27 rose and stood on their feet i i’m okay
01:51:32 and it came to pass that they break
01:51:34 bread again
01:51:36 and blessed it and gave it to the
01:51:37 disciples so he gave it to the disciples
01:51:40 right okay so that’s what the disciples
01:51:43 did and
01:51:44 for when the disciples had eaten yeah so
01:51:47 when they had eaten
01:51:49 he commanded they should break bread yes
01:51:56 so they broke the bread after the prayer
01:52:01 there’s no mention that they blessed it
01:52:02 again no more prayer
01:52:05 they broke it after the prayer okay
01:52:09 so are you saying it doesn’t matter
01:52:13 i’m saying his revelation is con his
01:52:16 supposed revelation is contradicting
01:52:18 that verse right there
01:52:19 they broke the bread after the prayer
01:52:25 he’s contradicting the book of mormon
01:52:30 the disciples broke the bread after the
01:52:32 prayer
01:52:34 to give to the people
01:52:44 so why is he breaking the bread
01:52:47 again no the disciples are
01:52:50 it’s not jesus the disciples broke it no
01:52:53 the lord is in verse three and when they
01:52:56 had
01:52:57 eaten he commanded i’m talking about
01:53:00 verse four
01:53:01 and when yeah i’m talking about verse
01:53:05 three
01:53:08 let’s go divorce verse three and then
01:53:10 move to four
01:53:12 okay because he’s doing it
01:53:15 again right i well so
01:53:18 he broke bread three three different
01:53:21 days so
01:53:23 without really getting into it i
01:53:26 initially my i think again refers that
01:53:29 it’s
01:53:30 he did it yesterday now he’s doing it
01:53:32 again today would be my initial thought
01:53:34 on the again
01:53:35 without really getting into the details
01:53:40 but i agree the again sounds kind of
01:53:42 funny
01:53:45 but my initial thought is is because he
01:53:47 did it yesterday
01:53:48 and now he’s doing it again today
01:53:52 okay but look that’s when he blessed it
01:53:56 in verse three and the disciples ate
01:53:59 verse four they eaten they ate it
01:54:02 and then they broke it to give it to the
01:54:04 multitude they didn’t bless it
01:54:06 they just broke and then gave to the
01:54:08 multitude
01:54:10 they broke bread after the blessing
01:54:14 okay which contradicts what he
01:54:18 is claiming in addition when i asked for
01:54:22 the revelation
01:54:23 he wasn’t willing to give it to me
01:54:28 see it said he’s just another false
01:54:31 prophet
01:54:32 i mean when i i sent him a friend
01:54:34 request because you talked about
01:54:36 him like i’ll just see where it goes and
01:54:37 he started talking to me and he’s
01:54:38 talking about how
01:54:40 just out of nowhere how he’s best
01:54:41 buddies with joseph smith blah blah blah
01:54:43 blah blah he gave me that and i start
01:54:45 trying to talk about details
01:54:47 and then instead of talking about
01:54:48 details he gives me this post
01:54:50 that actually you read a part of on
01:54:54 one time right and you know how we need
01:54:57 to have a relationship with god great
01:54:59 okay
01:55:00 i agree with that but there’s also a
01:55:02 place for the organization that he set
01:55:04 forth
01:55:05 but in that post he claims
01:55:09 that him and his wife got a revelation
01:55:11 saying you can’t
01:55:12 break you should not break bread after
01:55:15 it’s been blessed
01:55:17 i asked him because i could have gone
01:55:19 either way at that point
01:55:21 can i see that revelation he’s like i’m
01:55:24 i’m not going to give it to you
01:55:29 and then after he blocks me i find
01:55:32 i felt like i should go look some and i
01:55:35 found that verse
01:55:38 okay but they didn’t bless it hun right
01:55:40 they
01:55:41 they just broke it and gave to mod
01:55:44 yeah they broke it after the blessing
01:55:48 jesus blessed it this is the sacrament
01:55:53 yeah he breaks it okay he breaks it
01:55:57 again and he blesses that
01:56:00 the disciples
01:56:03 after they’re done yeah the disciples
01:56:09 they broke bread but he doesn’t bless it
01:56:13 a second time right that’s what i’m
01:56:15 saying they
01:56:16 broke it after the prayer
01:56:20 okay they broke it after the prayer
01:56:25 maybe there wasn’t enough i don’t know i
01:56:28 just
01:56:28 either way if his revelation was true
01:56:32 this account would show that they would
01:56:34 have blessed it again
01:56:35 after breaking it doesn’t show that well
01:56:38 it shows it shows that
01:56:42 this is the lord
01:56:47 the lord didn’t break it the second time
01:56:49 in verse four
01:56:52 he said four again
01:56:56 okay that’s verse three verse four says
01:57:00 they pray they
01:57:03 broke the bread they did not bless it
01:57:06 they
01:57:07 broke bread after it was blessed
01:57:10 and then he commenced them they should
01:57:13 break it
01:57:15 but he doesn’t command them to bless it
01:57:18 right because sacrament needs to be
01:57:22 blessed
01:57:26 otherwise you’re just eating bread
01:57:27 you’re not eating sacrament
01:57:30 sacrament well that’s
01:57:33 that’s what i am looking at i’m going
01:57:41 why the contradiction because
01:57:44 other times he breaks it
01:57:48 blesses it breaks it blesses it
01:57:51 the contradiction is that this guy
01:57:54 claims you can’t break the bread after
01:57:57 it’s blessed
01:57:59 what i’m seeing is you can do both
01:58:02 right and what i’m saying it contradicts
01:58:04 this guy
01:58:06 in his supposed revelation it doesn’t
01:58:09 matter like he’s claiming
01:58:10 and saying it makes god mad
01:58:14 and sad he’s a liar
01:58:19 that’s what i’m saying what he’s
01:58:21 claiming on his blog
01:58:23 is contradicting the book of mormon it
01:58:26 doesn’t matter
01:58:30 that’s what i’m saying and when i asked
01:58:33 him for that supposed revelation
01:58:35 he got all offensive about it
01:58:39 huh but yeah when we first started
01:58:42 talking he’s like
01:58:43 oh you’ll just find out how joseph smith
01:58:46 and i are just
01:58:46 so great buddies and blah blah blah blah
01:58:49 i’m like all right well we’ll wait and
01:58:51 see
01:58:52 because i’ve heard that before he’s like
01:58:54 yeah i know you have i’m like okay
01:58:56 and when i asked him for the supposed
01:58:58 revelation he’s claiming in that post
01:59:00 he got all offensive now if he was of
01:59:04 god
01:59:04 would he hide the revelation or would he
01:59:07 share it he would have shared it he
01:59:08 would
01:59:09 he would share it it would be okay
01:59:13 he got offended that’s my point
01:59:16 huh i think well you’re breaking that
01:59:20 one okay well i and i didn’t even have
01:59:23 35
01:59:24 24 to show him at that time i figured i
01:59:27 was 50 50.
01:59:28 i was open to the idea at that point
01:59:32 because i didn’t know this i found this
01:59:34 after he blocked me
01:59:36 so i didn’t even have that to share him
01:59:38 to share with him for him to
01:59:40 have a cause to block me i just asked
01:59:43 for the revelation
01:59:46 he’s just another pretended prophet
01:59:50 and this is this canada and africa guy i
01:59:53 don’t remember his name
01:59:57 i’ll have to look and see what
02:00:01 uh conversation we had
02:00:07 uh so i i i’ll send you a little
02:00:10 screenshot
02:00:10 i don’t know how youtube got together
02:00:14 um i i i sent them a song i sent him a
02:00:18 facebook
02:00:19 request after you talked about them i
02:00:22 think i’ve just figured i’ll just see
02:00:23 what happens
02:00:25 then after that facebook can you i talk
02:00:28 to
02:00:28 a lot of people online and it’ll be
02:00:31 because
02:00:32 they send me a request no no
02:00:36 no that’s fine but he started him
02:00:39 he he then started chatting with me on
02:00:41 facebook after i sent the request
02:00:43 and it it just evolved
02:00:46 um anyways well i don’t know
02:00:51 um which one because like i said i’ve
02:00:55 talked to
02:00:56 several people but it doesn’t mean that
02:00:59 that’s steve taylor i’m talking about
02:01:01 dean taylor
02:01:04 that’s the name i’m just looking at the
02:01:06 the messages i sent you but the
02:01:08 dean taylor is the guy well he never
02:01:11 told me
02:01:12 i i mean in the conversation that uh
02:01:15 with dean i’ve even talked to his wife
02:01:18 online
02:01:19 um never told me about a revelation
02:01:23 right the the post so he didn’t tell it
02:01:26 to me the post
02:01:27 says it in fact the post that you read
02:01:30 later on because there was a post that
02:01:32 we read together that’s recorded
02:01:37 we only read the first half he sent it
02:01:39 to me
02:01:40 and i read the whole thing and the last
02:01:42 half talks about a revelation how
02:01:45 he supposedly got it says god is mad
02:01:48 when we bless we break the sacrament
02:01:51 after the blessing
02:01:53 oh okay and i guess i didn’t read that
02:01:57 far
02:01:57 oh that’s fine i i i may be i
02:02:00 i’m more thorough
02:02:05 for that revelation and he got offended
02:02:08 rather than and i haven’t had time
02:02:11 i i i just have not had time
02:02:15 with the move and stuff that’s fine
02:02:18 i i’m not mad at you bree i i’m just
02:02:21 hearing with you what happened
02:02:24 right but what i mean is i didn’t have
02:02:27 that kind of experience because
02:02:30 we didn’t do that much of a dialogue
02:02:34 oh that’s fine um
02:02:38 on on the subject well
02:02:42 this only happened because i was trying
02:02:43 to dialogue with him and instead of him
02:02:45 die along with me
02:02:46 he sent me this post and i read it
02:02:50 and i asked questions about it and he
02:02:52 got offended that i asked for the
02:02:53 revelation that he claims
02:02:55 in that post because i read the whole
02:03:00 if of revelation contradict
02:03:04 what the book of mormon is that’s a red
02:03:06 flag already
02:03:09 you know my eyes are burning so
02:03:13 okay so real quick before you go i found
02:03:15 a picture of the fibo dibble
02:03:17 um document
02:03:21 yeah it’s a document that i believe
02:03:24 joseph smith drew um and
02:03:28 so if you have a little more time let me
02:03:31 share this
02:03:31 if that’s okay or if you’re too tired
02:03:36 is it the mountain with the little
02:03:37 circle above it
02:03:39 i’ve seen that before uh it’s related to
02:03:42 that
02:03:44 and with the little arc no
02:03:47 it it’s related to it but it’s not that
02:03:50 um
02:03:51 okay all right do you can you see
02:03:54 can you see it i’m hopefully i’m sharing
02:03:57 it on
02:03:58 um zoom
02:04:01 okay so yeah i think this is the
02:04:04 conference center
02:04:05 so this is the circle with the triangle
02:04:09 okay
02:04:10 but here’s the fibo dibble and so this
02:04:12 was just
02:04:13 the quickest one i could find and the
02:04:15 reason it’s overlaid is because
02:04:17 the conference center has three circles
02:04:20 over it which goes along with this fibo
02:04:23 dibble document which you can which is
02:04:25 the white
02:04:26 with the a b and c the sun and the moon
02:04:30 um
02:04:33 no this is this is something joseph
02:04:35 smith drew
02:04:38 it goes along with the polar
02:04:39 configuration
02:04:43 but so what i’m trying to bring out
02:04:46 here is something that i believe joseph
02:04:49 smith drew
02:04:51 that shows that
02:04:54 at least it doesn’t show the activity of
02:04:57 the sun but i i believe it shows that
02:04:59 the
02:05:00 planets around they used to be at the
02:05:03 the north pole and that they’re going
02:05:05 around the sun
02:05:06 in fact it’s even showing the angle
02:05:10 that the of the um
02:05:14 axis of these planets had
02:05:18 and the part of the reason the angle is
02:05:21 important is because it shows
02:05:23 that they’re not flat if they’re flat
02:05:26 there would be no angle
02:05:27 on the um equate or
02:05:31 the axis of the planets
02:05:34 if that makes sense and anyways
02:05:38 uh maybe we can talk more about it later
02:05:40 but yeah
02:05:41 we’ll have to because i’m not getting
02:05:44 that
02:05:45 at all it’s like going over my head
02:05:48 okay and i think it’s because
02:05:52 i’m really tired oh okay i i i might be
02:05:56 trying to push
02:05:56 too much then so we’ll maybe have to
02:05:58 talk about it next time but
02:06:00 yeah later if nothing else
02:06:03 think about the fibo dibble doc or
02:06:05 drawing
02:06:06 from joseph smith because i i think it’s
02:06:09 it’s a
02:06:10 a diagram from joseph smith that is
02:06:12 contradicting what this other guy is
02:06:15 saying i
02:06:18 anyways uh i i take things from joseph
02:06:21 smith
02:06:23 seriously now i think we both would
02:06:25 agree there’s people who claim things
02:06:27 are from joseph smith that actually was
02:06:29 not
02:06:30 but i do believe this is from joseph
02:06:32 smith um
02:06:33 but anyways okay if you’re too tired
02:06:37 we’ll have to talk about it more
02:06:39 another time right yeah because i’m
02:06:42 hearing
02:06:43 some things that i’m going
02:06:48 i i don’t know no no that’s fine maybe
02:06:52 you’re too tired to get to talk about
02:06:54 some of the details
02:06:56 completely understandable right
02:06:59 yeah because i’m not even remembering
02:07:01 the conversation with dean
02:07:03 you know it was like i i just
02:07:07 can’t even compute right now uh you
02:07:10 talked about them
02:07:11 i sent my friend request and it went
02:07:13 from there and and i i told you about it
02:07:15 while you’re doing the moving
02:07:17 and you were probably too busy with
02:07:20 moving
02:07:20 to to pay attention which is
02:07:22 understandable right i’m
02:07:24 wait all right
02:07:29 okay so are we gonna stop recording
02:07:32 sure sure yeah i’ll stop it