Scripture Study 2021-02-19

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Talk some about the Polar Configuration. Some ideas of Robert about being born again, fruit and repentance. Greek vs Hebrew goals. How names in Hebrew deal with attributes we have.

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00:00:00 thank you I appreciate that yeah that’s
00:00:01 fine because I know sometimes people
00:00:03 have things they want to say and they
00:00:05 don’t want to say it but anyways so the
00:00:07 one thing I was going to say about the
00:00:08 Gnostic Gospels is yeah yeah the the old
00:00:12 school go
00:00:16 ahead I was gonna say the the old school
00:00:19 on the record off the
00:00:21 Record so nostic gospel actually teaches
00:00:25 that God is the bad guy um and and it’s
00:00:28 all over uh Hollywood movies and shows
00:00:32 for actually a long time and I actually
00:00:35 I talk a little bit at the bottom of
00:00:37 that post if you want to take a look and
00:00:40 that’s interesting that you have that
00:00:41 perspective because that’s actually part
00:00:44 of what led me to believe in a Southern
00:00:48 polar
00:00:50 configuration um well so I do believe in
00:00:54 a North that there were planets of the
00:00:56 North and the South the question is
00:00:57 which planets were at the various
00:01:01 ends um like Mercury uh one I can think
00:01:05 off top my head believe Mercury was at
00:01:06 the South and and uh I any others off
00:01:12 top of my head real quick um see and I’m
00:01:15 I’m not positive on that either because
00:01:17 I think that
00:01:18 mercury might have been the one that was
00:01:21 at the North and Mars which is always
00:01:24 associated with the destroying Angel and
00:01:27 um adversarial type um qualities or
00:01:32 whatever I I think that that one may
00:01:34 have been to the
00:01:37 South uh that could be I I don’t really
00:01:41 focus on that part A whole bun to be
00:01:43 obviously it’s it’s speculation but sure
00:01:46 sure sure um I don’t focus on that part
00:01:49 A whole bunch I do think that
00:01:52 most people put Saturn at the North and
00:01:56 which to me makes most sense especially
00:01:58 with the imagery that I see from it um
00:02:02 and including the flood and whatnot
00:02:06 but
00:02:08 um yeah I I I kind of agree with
00:02:12 anon’s group and and I think it’s I
00:02:15 think it’s completely plausible um I I
00:02:18 don’t see any reason to believe that my
00:02:21 view is any more Superior so to speak
00:02:25 yeah because we we I mean there’s just
00:02:27 certain criteria that we just don’t have
00:02:30 the ability to falsify so um I mean I
00:02:34 think do you mean verify not
00:02:37 falsify no so okay yeah so that’s
00:02:39 another interesting thing because what I
00:02:41 noticed is a lot of you guys and I I
00:02:43 mean you guys like generally in the
00:02:46 broadest of
00:02:48 terms um you you guys typically try to
00:02:51 prove stuff and I don’t go about it that
00:02:56 way I I use more of like the poppers
00:02:59 scientific uh method of of um
00:03:03 falsification so what what I can’t
00:03:05 falsify survives as a Truth
00:03:08 canidate uh okay so I I see where you’re
00:03:11 getting at to some degree um it’s really
00:03:14 hard to prove a negative though and so
00:03:16 that’s but well right and that that’s
00:03:19 the problem with it because it becomes
00:03:21 pseudo
00:03:22 scientific um and that’s why I I just
00:03:25 generally I leave certain aspects of of
00:03:28 this type of dialogue in the realm of um
00:03:31 speculation sure sure but but with with
00:03:35 reasonable like an educated um guess you
00:03:39 know an educated speculation I guess you
00:03:41 could say sure sure right right um I I I
00:03:45 can understand that uh so I gave you a
00:03:47 link to where I talked about beauty the
00:03:50 Beast some and the Gnostic Gospel in it
00:03:52 um
00:03:53 specifically going off of how Beauty the
00:03:56 Beast is Satan and is um Catholic
00:04:00 Church uh and I I go in that video if
00:04:04 you want to take a look the post I want
00:04:06 to do after I finish some other posts I
00:04:09 have to finish first at least in order
00:04:12 that I do it anyways um but I I see some
00:04:17 Credence to that and they’re always
00:04:20 Hollywood is pretty much always making
00:04:23 got out to be the bad guy and they’re
00:04:26 very clever about it because the word
00:04:29 words that they put into the bad guy’s
00:04:32 mouth are things that God would actually
00:04:34 say but the context that they do it in
00:04:37 really
00:04:38 twists god um right I mean even if you
00:04:42 get into things like um like vampires
00:04:45 werewolves like these types of um
00:04:49 archetypes um it’s the same kind of
00:04:51 thing like vampires are pretty much
00:04:54 anti-
00:04:55 atonement oh yeah yeah and they sire
00:05:00 um other people and stuff so I mean it
00:05:02 gets into a lot of things with the
00:05:04 atonement but it’s it’s like a a dark
00:05:06 atonement sort of so to speak sure sure
00:05:09 yeah uh in fact here’s I I’ll share my
00:05:12 screen in a minute um oh I just share it
00:05:15 now that’s fine um hold on so I’m
00:05:19 driving so I’m not gonna be able to um
00:05:22 look at certain stuff right now oh
00:05:25 maybe driving another time I share a
00:05:28 video that I I like and the only reason
00:05:32 I like it is because I believe it talks
00:05:34 about the polar configuration in it so
00:05:36 when you’re not driving we can talk
00:05:38 about that another time yeah that would
00:05:41 be
00:05:43 cool song until I started seeing the
00:05:46 polar configuration in it um gotcha that
00:05:49 happens to me very often um actually one
00:05:53 of my one of my favorite mythologies or
00:05:56 Mythos is um Journey to the West which
00:06:01 has Sun Wukong which was one of the
00:06:03 references that I gave you earlier about
00:06:05 how his name was supposed to be old
00:06:08 Moon um so so Journey to the West is a
00:06:12 is a Chinese it’s a Chinese classic um
00:06:15 and it’s about a Buddhist monk that was
00:06:18 going to travel from I think it was
00:06:20 during the supposed to have been during
00:06:21 like the tong Dynasty or something and
00:06:23 he was supposed to travel from China to
00:06:26 India to go get the like offal like
00:06:30 Buddhist texts or whatever because they
00:06:33 have is that link the the the book
00:06:36 you’re you’re thinking of or the myth
00:06:39 you’re talking of yeah yeah so that link
00:06:42 um is more of a scholarly uh
00:06:46 well semi scholar yeah there is a movie
00:06:50 and the movie is good it has really good
00:06:53 imagery I’ll look at watching it I I I
00:06:56 love watching movies with the polar
00:06:58 configuration
00:07:00 yeah there’s I mean just it’s full of it
00:07:03 it’s I mean it even has the um war in
00:07:06 heaven and like the whole shebang I mean
00:07:08 it’s it’s all in there oh yeah I I have
00:07:11 some favorites that are full of in fact
00:07:14 the ones that I like the most I see the
00:07:16 the polar configuration imagery in it
00:07:19 more fully than
00:07:21 others it just seems
00:07:23 like as humans crave it without even
00:07:27 really knowing that we’re craving it
00:07:28 right right and I I think um yeah
00:07:33 there’s a lot of deep aspects to this
00:07:36 um it’s almost kind of hard to cover
00:07:39 because there’s so much involved to it I
00:07:42 mean even even from the point of view of
00:07:44 Christ’s baptism there’s um there’s a
00:07:49 hint in that
00:07:52 [Music]
00:07:53 that text in that part of the story when
00:07:56 he’s being baptized and he receives the
00:07:58 Holy Ghost
00:08:00 um and everybody kind of glazes over I
00:08:02 can see it somewhat in the sign in fact
00:08:04 Batman for uh
00:08:07 begins uh does oh yeah uh image on that
00:08:11 we could talk about do the video on when
00:08:13 you’re not driving on one yeah
00:08:16 absolutely um but Batman Begins is
00:08:19 actually one of my favorite movies even
00:08:21 though it teaches the Gnostic Gospel but
00:08:23 it’s also full configuration also and I
00:08:27 I oh I mean I’ll tell you I’m torn
00:08:30 because I now that what I see in it
00:08:33 now I still like it even though I know
00:08:36 it’s a gnostic it’s man I’m maybe I’m a
00:08:39 HP right well I mean what it is is so
00:08:42 it’s it’s kind of like a a bait and
00:08:44 switch is what it is and it so it’s SE
00:08:47 semi frustrating I know what you mean
00:08:49 because my view is that it’s it’s giving
00:08:54 the
00:08:56 saturnian um view of those people groups
00:08:59 that came from that uh tradition and for
00:09:04 so from my point of view okay so that
00:09:06 would be like the southern polar region
00:09:08 and there was certain people groups
00:09:11 whatever that came from that region or
00:09:12 whatever that would be associated with
00:09:14 that and then the Jupiter side or the
00:09:17 North Side according to my my view um
00:09:21 would be uh the tribes of Israel and
00:09:23 stuff like that uh and and Adam
00:09:26 originally and the reason part of the
00:09:28 reason I think of this is because if you
00:09:29 the imagery of Jupiter um it talks about
00:09:33 uh Christ being beaten with stripes
00:09:36 right um sure sure Mars has in fact
00:09:39 along those lines I think the the big
00:09:43 scar on Mars relates right because that
00:09:47 was the dragon um so I view Mars as the
00:09:50 dragon or the destroying Angel of the
00:09:53 Passover and Jupiter I believe which
00:09:56 means Sky father um was the one that
00:09:59 actually um did the the you know the
00:10:03 death blow so to speak on Mars to create
00:10:06 that and that’s why we see these red
00:10:09 stripes around Jupiter because um that
00:10:13 was because of their the interaction
00:10:14 that it had the violent interaction that
00:10:16 it had with Mars so and so I I’m not fam
00:10:21 with the I know that Jupiter has a red
00:10:24 dot right it has a red dot and then it’s
00:10:27 like totally like striped um multiple
00:10:31 Stripes I mean it looks like our it
00:10:33 looks like the American flag okay hold
00:10:35 on one minute k sorry about that my son
00:10:39 sometimes like hey yeah no worries I I
00:10:41 got four of them my son likes me which
00:10:42 is a good thing right yeah a positive um
00:10:47 so I I’ve never come across the the flag
00:10:51 being somewhat based upon that and I’m
00:10:53 not so just thinking out loud I
00:10:59 he Saturn does have those regions so I
00:11:02 guess I can kind of see where you’re
00:11:03 coming with the stripes yeah so if you
00:11:06 look at my profile picture um you’ll see
00:11:09 the Old Norris like Viking boats right
00:11:13 and it has the striped sails which is
00:11:15 like the traditional sales of certain
00:11:18 Vikings
00:11:21 and if you look at the image of Jupiter
00:11:24 behind it what I did was I tilted it
00:11:27 sure sure changed the I’m share your
00:11:30 your profile so people can see what
00:11:32 we’re talking oh okay yeah that’ll be
00:11:34 good um no that that I so I I do see the
00:11:37 stripes now on on Jupiter I hadn’t
00:11:39 really made that connection um before so
00:11:42 that that’s yeah so if you look at that
00:11:44 and you look at the stripes on the sales
00:11:47 General George Washington if I remember
00:11:49 correctly is where we get the American
00:11:51 flag um the stripes uh it had to do with
00:11:55 his I think it was his like family flag
00:11:57 or his coat of arms or something uh to
00:11:59 do with his family um and so I mean it’s
00:12:04 it’s Nordic Scandinavian Germanic is
00:12:06 basically what it is and if you notice
00:12:09 all the Germanic tribes and um like
00:12:12 those groups like The Norris people they
00:12:14 looked to Jupiter which I find very
00:12:18 fascinating and you find that um I
00:12:23 wonder if those are the guys that are
00:12:24 talked about in the New Testament
00:12:25 because I don’t remember the verse off
00:12:27 top of my head I’d have to go look it up
00:12:29 but New Testament talks about how
00:12:30 there’s a group talk worshiping Jupiter
00:12:33 right um so okay and that gets
00:12:37 convoluted too because it’s not Jupiter
00:12:40 per se that’s important it’s the people
00:12:43 that like come from that I guess you
00:12:45 could say um so I don’t know if you’re
00:12:47 familiar with like the ganam hypothesis
00:12:49 or any of that stuff no never heard of
00:12:53 that oh okay yeah that that’s um kind of
00:12:57 a mixture of good and bad information I
00:12:59 I think
00:13:01 um
00:13:02 but see here sorry I’m putting in gas
00:13:05 that’s fine so one while you’re being
00:13:08 sidetracked a little bit I I tend to
00:13:11 think Mars is Christ planet and Venus is
00:13:16 Saturn’s Planet personally um I mean not
00:13:20 Saturn I I mean Venus sorry Mars is yeah
00:13:24 and I I totally get that um
00:13:28 approach um because you know the scar on
00:13:30 Mars would be like the piercing on the
00:13:32 side and all of that stuff right so and
00:13:35 then also one thing I would also add is
00:13:38 you know Saturn I mean sorry I’m saying
00:13:41 Saturn when I mean Venus what am I doing
00:13:43 what’s wrong with
00:13:46 me I got some wires crossed that
00:13:49 shouldn’t be apparently
00:13:51 but it happens yeah anyway but Venus I
00:13:56 find this interesting in fact um
00:13:59 one thing I like
00:14:02 from what is it trolls that they did in
00:14:06 their movie they did a good presentation
00:14:08 on this but I I mean I mean they did it
00:14:10 for kids right and they didn’t out come
00:14:12 out and say it but they’re teaching it
00:14:14 but Venus went from a bright blue bright
00:14:18 as you know as
00:14:20 happy to
00:14:22 dark gray right and I talk kind of take
00:14:27 that as like um could be likened to
00:14:29 where Satan was happy and bright before
00:14:34 and then he fell and became dark and
00:14:37 that’s right
00:14:39 anyways right yeah well and there’s
00:14:42 interesting stuff with that too like
00:14:44 like the the term
00:14:46 Lucifer um and you know the bright and
00:14:48 Morning Star well there there’s reason
00:14:50 to believe um that the bright and
00:14:53 Morning Star is not Venus uh even though
00:14:56 that’s what a lot of people seem to
00:14:57 associate with it uh there reason to
00:15:00 believe it could be Mars or Venus and I
00:15:03 think it depends on the
00:15:05 there’s are morning Stars the issue
00:15:09 Stars historically you probably know
00:15:11 this correct correct
00:15:14 but but but the thing is uh Mars is is
00:15:19 exclusively male and uh depicting the
00:15:23 male aspect of things and Venus is the
00:15:26 female sure um and so when you take that
00:15:29 into context Theory because generally
00:15:32 speaking Christ right the good is male
00:15:36 and the bad is female in the scriptures
00:15:39 like um worshiping female goddess Old
00:15:43 Testament T yes and no yes and yes and
00:15:48 no yeah well I think people have that
00:15:50 kind of mixed up because it it stems
00:15:53 from the Adam and Eve um conundrum um
00:15:56 with the forbidden fruit and I think
00:15:58 people totally totally totally
00:16:00 misunderstand that whole situation um
00:16:03 because they lack they lack certain
00:16:05 context so for example okay it talks
00:16:08 about it talks about Adam living 930
00:16:11 years okay
00:16:13 [Music]
00:16:15 um everybody looks at that and thinks
00:16:17 like oh it’s an individual person that
00:16:20 would have been Immortal had they not
00:16:22 partaken of the forbidden fruit and in
00:16:26 like the way we understand things today
00:16:27 I mean there’s nothing in our
00:16:30 environment that would indicate that
00:16:31 that is even a
00:16:33 possibility I’m not I’m not I’m not
00:16:35 saying that it’s I’m not saying that
00:16:36 it’s not but but the thing is when you
00:16:39 change the context and you look at Adam
00:16:42 as a nation rather than just a single
00:16:45 individual but a a nation that’s of a
00:16:49 specific genetic makeup okay and then
00:16:53 you take into consideration that Eve was
00:16:55 pulled out of the side of that Nation so
00:16:57 that would mean that it was the uh women
00:17:01 um that were of that kin group okay um
00:17:05 and so when you start looking at it in
00:17:07 that context then living 930 years is
00:17:12 not really a big deal um because a
00:17:16 national lifespan so and it makes a lot
00:17:20 of other things in the scriptures make
00:17:22 more sense I would disagree Book of
00:17:24 Mormon actually states that Adam is
00:17:27 a person
00:17:29 uh well so is Nephi but NE the that like
00:17:33 all the people that took the position of
00:17:35 king became Nephi they were called Nephi
00:17:38 just like we call C title they didn’t
00:17:39 actually yeah the title that’s what I
00:17:41 mean is so so the the name Adam is a
00:17:44 title and a person name well in Hebrew
00:17:47 Adam means man um which actually right
00:17:50 it actually means that’s that’s what
00:17:52 gets in that’s what gets into Mars
00:17:55 aspect of things but um I I The Book of
00:18:00 Mormon I is pretty clear that we came
00:18:03 from one man and one woman not a nation
00:18:07 that um some people portray well okay so
00:18:12 so mankind okay so I I I mean there’s
00:18:16 there’s so for example when Christ says
00:18:18 I’m the son of man he’s saying I’m the
00:18:20 son of
00:18:21 Adam he’s saying I’m the son of mankind
00:18:25 son of man is a title from The Book of
00:18:27 Daniel that has a lot to do with it
00:18:30 right but it ties back to the entr of
00:18:32 days well it goes to the fact that he’s
00:18:35 God and I know a lot of people think he
00:18:37 didn’t so I mean but that doesn’t that
00:18:39 doesn’t make any sense though so you
00:18:41 have to look at the whole context okay
00:18:44 because what Christ is saying in that
00:18:46 what do you think is the whole context
00:18:48 that I’m leaving out we can go look up
00:18:50 the Daniel because Daniel so he’s
00:18:52 arguing with he’s arguing with a
00:18:55 particular group I forget if it was the
00:18:56 Sadducees or Pharisees but I think it
00:18:58 was a es um he he was arguing with them
00:19:01 and he calls them um a bunch of
00:19:05 names that are
00:19:07 specifically uh
00:19:09 well one where people think he’s name
00:19:12 calling he’s actually doing a statement
00:19:15 where he called them vipers and VI right
00:19:18 and that’s a specific that’s a specific
00:19:21 reference to the Garden of Eden story
00:19:24 and that’s that’s why they immediately
00:19:26 said we are not born of fornication
00:19:29 because Eve fornicated with the
00:19:32 forbidden fruit the tree the family tree
00:19:36 that H The Offspring of are the
00:19:38 forbidden fruit that’s why they had
00:19:41 anti- misogynic laws in in the Old
00:19:44 Testament um because there were certain
00:19:47 groups that were forbidden because they
00:19:48 were from The Forbidden Family
00:19:51 Tree tend to disagree with that I mean
00:19:54 you can disagree but there is no other
00:19:57 way to really understand that
00:19:59 um because because completely disagree
00:20:02 in fact I mean that so you you have to
00:20:05 take into consideration good example of
00:20:08 that um well they’re they’re the the
00:20:12 embodiment of what I’m saying you have a
00:20:14 white people group and then you have a
00:20:16 cursed people group what’s that is the
00:20:19 seed of Adam it’s not I’m sorry the the
00:20:23 the sound kind of cut out what was the
00:20:25 cane is the seed of Adam not no he’s not
00:20:30 oh yeah he is no he’s he was created
00:20:34 from Eve partaking of the forbidden
00:20:36 fruit no he was that’s why we we could
00:20:40 let’s go that’s why that’s why all the
00:20:43 script let’s get scriptures scriptures
00:20:46 scriptures are important okay absolutely
00:20:49 but that’s that’s how that’s how Cain
00:20:53 had the mark put upon him is because he
00:20:56 was Kane got the Mark at whatever the
00:20:59 Mark is which we’re not going to get
00:21:00 into that right now but I mean it
00:21:02 specifically says what the Mark is
00:21:05 Ines it wasn’t because he was born no it
00:21:08 was because he genocide the people of
00:21:12 Abel and so okay so if you look at the
00:21:16 if you look at the that’s not what
00:21:19 the the I mean it’s exactly the same
00:21:22 stuff that was going on with the
00:21:23 Nephites and the lamanites the lamanites
00:21:25 were cast out so Layman lmel were cast
00:21:27 out so they could no longer uh marry
00:21:31 with the Nephites and so they became a
00:21:33 dark and loome people I’ll share my
00:21:36 screen uh I just did a quick search
00:21:38 using my program and let’s because you
00:21:40 have the tree of life which is the
00:21:42 family tree of Christ and you have the
00:21:45 forbidden fruit which is the family tree
00:21:47 of the adversary so no like I’m saying I
00:21:50 disagree so let’s look at Cain and Adam
00:21:52 knew his wife do you know what that
00:21:55 means Adam knew him yeah and that’s yeah
00:21:58 and that’s what produced that’s what
00:22:00 that’s what produced uh that’s what
00:22:02 produced conceived
00:22:05 and no look so I is this is from Genesis
00:22:10 Adam knew his knew Eve his wife and she
00:22:14 conceived and bear can and said I have
00:22:16 gotten a man from the Lord right but
00:22:19 that’s after she became the forbidden
00:22:22 fruit because you have to
00:22:24 understand fruit she is a dude forbidden
00:22:29 fruit is so what does it specifically
00:22:31 say in in the Book of Mormon you got I
00:22:34 I’ll I can’t give you scripture right
00:22:35 now because I’m I’m driving but um if
00:22:38 you look at the Book of Mormon I know
00:22:39 you’ll know the scripture when I say it
00:22:41 um it it talks about the the ne are the
00:22:45 uh the lonit being cursed right and it
00:22:47 said and
00:22:48 whosoever uh shall mingle with the seed
00:22:52 of the lamanites the curse will come
00:22:54 upon them as well okay so the forbidden
00:22:57 fruit the curse has doing what’s wrong
00:23:01 not how do you turn black from doing
00:23:04 what’s wrong uh it doesn’t okay let’s
00:23:07 let’s we we we have a lot to cover so
00:23:09 black skin is a Hebrew idiom in fact
00:23:13 that idea that someone themselves their
00:23:16 skin was black didn’t even get started
00:23:18 until after Joseph Smith was murdered in
00:23:22 the Book of Mormon in the um War
00:23:25 chapters in the later Alma chapter right
00:23:29 the lamanites and the Nephites could not
00:23:31 tell each other apart by sight and if
00:23:34 black skin actually dealt so with spefic
00:23:39 it absolutely has to do with skin color
00:23:41 if you look at the scripture I’m talking
00:23:44 how could the lonit not tell each other
00:23:47 apart the lonite from a nephite if it
00:23:49 was actually a different skin
00:23:52 color because there were times when the
00:23:55 lamanites mingled back in and became NE
00:23:58 fites but they were still called uh
00:24:00 lamanites because of the the the family
00:24:03 that they were from okay so for for
00:24:05 example it’s
00:24:07 ID it’s it’s not it really is it’s it is
00:24:11 in the Bible also it’s you have to
00:24:14 understand so it specifically States the
00:24:16 reason they became a dark and lome
00:24:18 people is so that the Nephites would be
00:24:21 able to
00:24:22 differentiate from who was who that’s
00:24:26 specifically what it says in the book of
00:24:28 Mor how do tell so that they could look
00:24:29 at them and what’s that how do we tell
00:24:33 we look at their fruits and their fruits
00:24:34 are their deeds no their fruits are not
00:24:37 their deeds what is what is what is
00:24:39 fruit fruit is
00:24:41 Offspring uh it depends on the context
00:24:43 fruit is um fruit is Offspring this idea
00:24:47 that it has to do with Deeds is is so
00:24:50 there there’s no so so it no tree Life
00:24:53 vision let’s talk about fruit tree Life
00:24:55 vision absolutely partaking of the fruit
00:24:58 that’s not your posterity it’s your act
00:25:01 yes it is you do no it’s not it’s yes it
00:25:04 is it’s partaking of the Pure Love Of
00:25:06 Christ I mean do you want to look at
00:25:09 SCP yeah go to go to the scriptures 41
00:25:14 and how go to the scripture right so so
00:25:17 go to Psalms right I I I I have the
00:25:20 information right here let me stop this
00:25:23 really
00:25:24 quick
00:25:26 um so if you go to
00:25:29 this this adds Clarity to it so if you
00:25:31 go to
00:25:32 Psalms uh let’s see Genesis 3:17 and
00:25:36 Psalms
00:25:37 1283 okay which one you want first I can
00:25:40 only do one at a time one at a time so
00:25:42 let’s let’s go with um let’s let’s go
00:25:45 with Psalms 128 verse3 so this is
00:25:49 talking about the woman can deceive the
00:25:50 man takes me a minute to get there
00:25:53 Psalms
00:25:55 123 1283
00:25:58 okay 128 hold
00:26:02 on okay uh let me share my
00:26:06 screen me
00:26:13 see okay thy wife shall be
00:26:17 fruitful Vine by the sides of thine
00:26:21 houses thy children like all of plants
00:26:24 around thy table so I I don’t see a
00:26:28 statement where fruit has to do with
00:26:31 only with children I mean this that it
00:26:34 does deal with children in this case but
00:26:36 it it’s not saying it’s only that and
00:26:38 like I said it it has app applies to
00:26:41 both your your
00:26:43 Deeds because for example the book of
00:26:46 morm talks about the fruits unto
00:26:48 repentance do you really think
00:26:50 repentance is having
00:26:56 children fruit meat un
00:27:01 repentance I I I I can find a verse if
00:27:04 you want but I don’t know one off top of
00:27:06 my head but being born again it’s
00:27:09 talking about being born again through
00:27:12 your
00:27:14 posterity
00:27:16 and so so
00:27:19 so that the this is at the group level
00:27:23 this isn’t necessarily just at the
00:27:25 individual level okay and
00:27:29 so for example eph right so that Ephraim
00:27:33 today your your audio is breaking up no
00:27:36 I’m giving you context I’m giving you
00:27:39 context you don’t repent by having
00:27:45 children and so I agree sometimes fruit
00:27:48 has to do with children and sometimes
00:27:51 fruit has to do with our Deeds it
00:27:53 depends on the context unless you think
00:27:55 you repent by having children
00:28:00 I’m asking you a direct
00:28:04 question you’re breaking up so I I can’t
00:28:07 hear
00:28:16 you uh I’m gonna pause it for a minute
00:28:19 all
00:28:20 your you’re you’re kind of you’re going
00:28:23 in and out I’m going to pause it for a
00:28:25 minute um it might be because your on
00:28:28 your phone driving yeah I can I can hear
00:28:32 you now okay all right so I don’t know
00:28:35 if you heard this but I had a a a
00:28:39 question do you think you repent by
00:28:42 having
00:28:44 children well I think there’s there’s
00:28:47 multiple layers to repentance so part of
00:28:51 it is coming unto Christ that you repent
00:28:54 by having children
00:28:58 whatever layer you want to be on because
00:29:00 I do agree that there’s levels to the
00:29:02 meaning in the scriptures and that’s an
00:29:04 aspect of
00:29:06 that so you think you repent like so so
00:29:23 that uh so we’re having problems again
00:29:28 I’m going to pause
00:29:29 it okay all right so it looks like
00:29:31 things are better okay so um I so so so
00:29:37 having children is just it’s part of
00:29:40 it well I I have a real you have to with
00:29:45 the idea that you repent by having
00:29:47 children repenting in the Hebrew context
00:29:51 means that you’re returning to the law
00:29:53 not that you’re having children in fact
00:29:57 becoming a child of God right well what
00:29:59 what all does the law tell is your
00:30:01 Authority and that you will listen to
00:30:04 his words and keep his
00:30:06 Commandments um you you become a child
00:30:09 of God by marrying into the house of God
00:30:12 that’s why we have to become sealed is
00:30:15 that’s what the that’s what Temple work
00:30:16 has to do with and everything oh I
00:30:19 disagree with the ls Temple we can talk
00:30:22 about that but let’s let me get a
00:30:23 scripture uh uh from The Book of Mormon
00:30:26 that talks about how we become
00:30:28 um children of God and it has nothing to
00:30:32 do with the scriptures so hold on real
00:30:34 quick let
00:30:35 me share it um so uh hopefully you can
00:30:40 oh you’re not you’re driving but anyways
00:30:43 so is is is marriage not a part of the
00:30:45 gospel mosiah
00:30:49 27:25 and the Lord said unto me Marvel
00:30:51 not that all mankind yay men and women
00:30:54 and All Nation Kinder tongues and people
00:30:56 must be born again
00:30:59 yep born of God absolutely right and so
00:31:04 and the way you’re born again is through
00:31:06 your posterity you’re born again through
00:31:09 your
00:31:10 posterity changing so H H how do you
00:31:13 become one flesh so let’s let’s talk
00:31:16 about born
00:31:18 again what did say to Nicodemus how can
00:31:22 you be born
00:31:23 again but anyways CH here here it’s it’s
00:31:27 defining changed from their carnal and
00:31:30 Fallen state to a state
00:31:33 righteous and what I’m telling you that
00:31:36 the fall came about and Daughters
00:31:39 of becoming his sons and daughters right
00:31:43 and how do you become a son and daughter
00:31:44 of somebody it’s it’s by being born
00:31:47 right
00:31:51 no so here’s another Hebrew idiom for
00:31:54 you father so means yeah see that’s
00:31:57 father means leader and Son means
00:32:00 follower I mean no the Hebrew well
00:32:03 that’s an aspect of it yeah because
00:32:05 because of the patriarchal order no but
00:32:08 your progyny so your children are your
00:32:11 sons and your daughters your your leral
00:32:13 Offspring is in physical to become and
00:32:18 and Adam and Adam is the father of all
00:32:20 living correct and Eve is the mother of
00:32:22 all living I don’t know you think it’s
00:32:24 Nations I’m the one that was stating
00:32:26 that there’s one Adam right but that
00:32:28 that would entail individual people
00:32:30 because nations are made of individual
00:32:32 people so you know what Nicodemus is
00:32:34 question to Jesus was how can one go
00:32:37 back into the mother’s womb to be born
00:32:39 again you don’t go back into the womb
00:32:42 you get married and you have children
00:32:46 Nicodemus look if you go back to Genesis
00:32:49 married into to be born again he was
00:32:52 already
00:32:54 married right and that’s why polygamy is
00:32:57 an important aspect ECT of the gopel uh
00:32:59 actually the Book of
00:33:01 Mormon completely condemns polygamy no
00:33:04 it doesn’t when you have when you have
00:33:06 the context of what is actually going on
00:33:09 let’s let’s look at it what
00:33:11 is there it’s specifically says unless
00:33:14 to raise up righteous seed no no it
00:33:18 let’s let’s look at it let me get that
00:33:19 up um in fact I have a kism for it that
00:33:22 we can from a post that I’m working on
00:33:24 that’s not done but I can share that I
00:33:27 mean I don’t agree with you in the sense
00:33:29 that the fundamentalists are are not
00:33:31 behaving in accordance with that lawy
00:33:34 but book Mormon completely says polygamy
00:33:38 is evil I mean even without Jacob 2
00:33:41 there’s it states that in Jacob 1 and
00:33:43 Jacob 3 fact let’s let’s read
00:33:46 them um I’ll share my screen again
00:33:51 it’s and on top of that you have to take
00:33:54 away from the grammar and other
00:33:56 definitions to get the meaning that you
00:33:58 want but let’s just focus on the just
00:34:00 the quick simple scriptures so Jacob
00:34:03 going going back to going back to
00:34:05 Genesis though how do you become one
00:34:10 flesh uh you get
00:34:12 married right and then you have children
00:34:16 you don’t literally become one flesh
00:34:18 until you have
00:34:20 Offspring because your genetic makeup of
00:34:23 the husband and the genetic makeup of
00:34:25 the wife literally combined and become a
00:34:28 new man or
00:34:31 woman but that’s not being born again
00:34:34 that is being born again you’re born
00:34:36 again your genetic your genetic makeup
00:34:39 is passed on and Born Again Nicodemus is
00:34:43 how do I enter the mother’s womb again
00:34:46 to be born again that’s because he
00:34:48 didn’t understand you don’t go back into
00:34:49 your own mother’s womb you get married
00:34:53 and you have children and you’re born
00:34:55 again through your posterity because
00:34:57 it’s they carry your genetic code no
00:35:00 being born again is becoming a new
00:35:03 creature I mean even the New Testament
00:35:05 says that and so so your CH so your
00:35:08 little children are they born without
00:35:09 sin or not you not your children it says
00:35:12 you become a new creature you become a
00:35:16 new creature yes because your entire
00:35:20 genetic code is passed on no no it’s
00:35:25 because you that’s that’s a fact the
00:35:28 whole Gospel of Jesus Christ is is about
00:35:30 becoming not having children it’s about
00:35:33 becoming like him no because you’re
00:35:36 conflating changing your behavior don’t
00:35:39 love over your parents your spouse and
00:35:43 your children you’re not worthy of
00:35:47 me like him and accepting him right
00:35:51 which includes which includes casting
00:35:55 off The Fallen state state which came
00:35:58 about through
00:36:15 misogynous
00:36:18 laws that all comes the anti mogy laws
00:36:21 all come from the original Law to not
00:36:24 mingle with the forbidden fruit you
00:36:29 it was not to partake of the fruit
00:36:31 forbidden fruit not right with so do you
00:36:35 so do you think the forbidden fruit is
00:36:38 sin you know what causes death is sin
00:36:42 what causes no that that’s it’s
00:36:45 transgression you’re you’re conflating
00:36:47 sin and transgression transgression is
00:36:50 to cross beyond the New Testament is
00:36:52 defined as breaking the law and breaking
00:36:55 the law is sin look up the emology of
00:36:59 transgression oh I I looked at transr
00:37:02 I’m tell literally new test
00:37:05 transgression if you look at the emology
00:37:08 means to cross over or to cross Beyond
00:37:12 that’s why Christ died on the cross
00:37:14 because we had to cross back to what our
00:37:18 original state was Christ died on the
00:37:21 cross because he was the only sinless
00:37:24 man that did not was the only he did not
00:37:30 deserve death and that’s what made the
00:37:31 resurrection
00:37:33 possible is that he was sinless that he
00:37:36 could break the bands of right because
00:37:38 he he because he was that part of Adam
00:37:43 which never mogy never mixed with the
00:37:46 forbidden
00:37:48 fruit and so that’s why it says cross
00:37:51 yourself say with that statement I we we
00:37:55 see things so
00:37:58 differently that
00:38:01 I I don’t know even know what to how to
00:38:04 respond because what you’re doing is is
00:38:06 you’re taking these these judaic
00:38:09 idioms um that are from a fallen group
00:38:12 of people who were um they were they
00:38:16 were basically they were destroyed
00:38:18 because that mosiah 1 tells us to learn
00:38:22 the language of the fathers um and so
00:38:25 yeah but you’re assuming you’re assuming
00:38:28 that modern Hebrew is that same
00:38:31 language you’re assuming that you don’t
00:38:34 have to have a broken heart and contrite
00:38:36 spirit and which no I’ve never said that
00:38:39 you’re putting words in my mouth and
00:38:41 so
00:38:43 conflating you’re conflating changing
00:38:46 Behavior so that you’re worthy and being
00:38:50 born again I I’m never worthy but when
00:38:54 you are born again you start to do what
00:38:57 God ‘s ways are because you want to be
00:39:00 like him so you seek after his
00:39:04 ways I mean that I mean that’s a it’s a
00:39:07 a false statement but I mean I
00:39:10 understand what you’re trying to say I’m
00:39:11 not saying that that changing your
00:39:13 behavior is bad I mean that’s exactly
00:39:16 what we’re supposed to do yeah goel hold
00:39:19 on somebody joined us I want to say hi
00:39:21 hi
00:39:23 Jordan can you can you hear me yeah I I
00:39:26 hear you
00:39:28 oh wow I’ll take it off that noisy part
00:39:32 I’ll try to keep it quiet no you’re
00:39:34 you’re fine so yeah you’re welcome to
00:39:37 join in our our conundrum here
00:39:40 yeah Rob and iing a lot of thank you um
00:39:46 so yeah I just know I just know that
00:39:49 when a person changes their definition
00:39:52 to words their whole perception changes
00:39:54 so their behavior Changes Everything
00:39:56 Changes well that’s all I have to words
00:39:59 are real important and that’s why I I
00:40:03 really like the 1828
00:40:06 dictionary I’ll sh a link to it it I I
00:40:10 have a
00:40:11 actually so I served a mission in 99
00:40:16 to1
00:40:17 and I I mean you’re only supposed to buy
00:40:20 books that were approved on the list and
00:40:22 I bought an 1828 dictionary which I
00:40:25 broke the rules to do uh um and but I
00:40:30 found it important because it defines
00:40:32 the words when the Book of Mormon was
00:40:35 translated um and in today’s English we
00:40:40 forget about many definition of words
00:40:43 that were popular in Joseph Smith’s time
00:40:47 and that 1828 dictionary really helps
00:40:49 out with
00:40:51 that in fact here here’s one that’s
00:40:56 common for things things that I believe
00:40:58 is that end can mean goal and purpose it
00:41:01 doesn’t mean
00:41:02 to does
00:41:04 not away with which right that’s where
00:41:08 the that’s where the concept of the um
00:41:11 it’s kind of a bad way to put it but
00:41:13 they say the ends justifies the means oh
00:41:15 I hate that and the ends does not
00:41:18 justify but yeah that that’s a good
00:41:20 example of n meaning goal um that’s a
00:41:23 point yeah well it kind of creates the
00:41:25 the the means
00:41:28 well your goal creates the means well
00:41:31 and if you have the end in mind then you
00:41:33 create the meaning in the end well so
00:41:35 the PHA the way that people use the the
00:41:38 phrase that uh Robert brought up the an
00:41:41 testifies is the means it means that
00:41:42 they can just do what in the hell they
00:41:44 want to do because yeah the goal is
00:41:48 better than the bad things that they
00:41:50 cause but that is implying that sinning
00:41:54 is okay and it’s not
00:41:57 because people use that term to justify
00:42:00 sins because their goal is worthy and
00:42:04 sin is never to be
00:42:09 accepted what do you think about uh the
00:42:12 goal being the actual Spirit person of
00:42:15 the being so like every word a person
00:42:18 says or thinks is actually the spirit
00:42:21 they are being and when you put
00:42:23 definition to the words you think or the
00:42:25 words you pray or the words you say if
00:42:28 you put definition to those words then
00:42:29 you can actually
00:42:31 experience the emotions you are being
00:42:34 the actual life you’re actually
00:42:36 exemplifying into the Environ so the way
00:42:39 I would say that is what someone’s
00:42:42 saying and doing is is an expression of
00:42:47 their heart or what they believe in or
00:42:50 what they think God is it’s not that
00:42:53 that necessarily I wouldn’t necessarily
00:42:57 their goal um but well I just mean it’s
00:43:00 the it’s the actual Spirit they’re being
00:43:03 as like a goal as a spirit like a spirit
00:43:05 of understanding sense to get where you
00:43:07 want to go or whatever well a person
00:43:09 could be
00:43:09 speaking I I I think I see where maybe
00:43:12 you’re coming from so Spirit has two
00:43:15 main definitions one uh what some people
00:43:18 would call ghost right is a one
00:43:21 definition and another one is our um way
00:43:25 of being right
00:43:27 right yeah what I’m saying is that the
00:43:30 word someone says actually is
00:43:33 identifying because everything a person
00:43:36 says is happening in their brain about
00:43:38 what they believe in and so the words
00:43:41 they say is basically their
00:43:43 self-identification it’s who they are
00:43:45 being it’s it’s the who the definition
00:43:47 of who is actually the perceptions a
00:43:50 person is thinking or or saying so when
00:43:53 a person is speaking or saying they’re
00:43:56 actually EX simplifying their
00:43:57 self-identity so every word a person
00:43:59 says is their actual belief about their
00:44:02 self-identity and if they Define their
00:44:04 words they get more clear on their
00:44:06 self-identity so I here I’m gonna just
00:44:09 rephrase it I think what you’re getting
00:44:10 at is how possibly here’s a I think
00:44:13 Hinkley said this and I agree with this
00:44:17 and it’s it’s actually I believe it’s in
00:44:19 the scriptures too but others have said
00:44:20 it also but what you think
00:44:23 causes what you do what you do over
00:44:27 long periods of times becomes your habit
00:44:29 your habit becomes who you are is I
00:44:32 think is what somewhat what you’re
00:44:33 getting
00:44:34 at well every thought every thought you
00:44:37 think you’re doing it you’re being it so
00:44:40 if you’re thinking whatever you’re
00:44:41 thinking that you’re your actions always
00:44:44 come from your thoughts so the essence
00:44:46 of your thoughts always create the
00:44:48 essence of your situation so if you’re
00:44:50 if you’re
00:44:51 thoughts one thing I would so basically
00:44:54 if a person takes responsible
00:44:56 responsibility for for what the words
00:44:57 they’re saying as being who they are
00:45:00 being like Oh my gosh I’m talking about
00:45:02 poop and crap and all this and and this
00:45:05 bullying and all this kind of weird
00:45:07 stuff I’m not being a person of my word
00:45:10 I’m not being a person of my God I’m not
00:45:12 being a person of who I really am you
00:45:15 know so then you put definition to your
00:45:16 words and then all of a sudden your
00:45:17 words have taste you can kind of
00:45:19 recognize who you’ve been being your
00:45:21 actions kind of uh expose who you think
00:45:24 God is like because I think they
00:45:27 exemplify who you’re being whether
00:45:28 you’re godly or not just exemplify who
00:45:31 you’re being uh the reason so I an issue
00:45:36 the word what your thoughts are is
00:45:38 Joseph Smith talked about how Revelation
00:45:42 which depending how you want to Define
00:45:44 some things or or thoughts in your heads
00:45:46 but it it has three sources God Satan
00:45:49 and man and so we need to be careful on
00:45:52 what thoughts are actually ours versus
00:45:54 what someone else’s what someone else is
00:45:56 actually gave us if that makes yeah and
00:45:58 you know how you said about the
00:46:00 definition in the dictionary well if you
00:46:02 just take simple Common Sense bridging
00:46:05 words like what a who is what a you is
00:46:07 what a i is you know just simple the the
00:46:09 common words people use like when you’re
00:46:12 talking on a word like if you say a
00:46:14 prayer and you actually scripture The
00:46:15 Prayer by defining every word so you get
00:46:18 a real strong deep sense to every word
00:46:22 then uh the clarity is just Crystal
00:46:27 on who you’re
00:46:29 being
00:46:31 um I you know like Satan is just a
00:46:35 misunderstanding idea it’s just it’s a
00:46:38 body of people or a body of sense of
00:46:41 misunderstanding sense a
00:46:42 misunderstanding definition a lack of
00:46:45 definition you know Satan is kind of
00:46:46 like a delusion right like something
00:46:49 that’s not real but just I mean you can
00:46:52 say it’s real in other places in the
00:46:54 Book of Mormon we’re told that Satan is
00:46:57 real and that Satan wants us to think
00:47:00 that he’s not real is yeah it’s just
00:47:02 like a young two-year-old child arguing
00:47:04 with Daddy about first principles and
00:47:07 the little two-year-old doesn’t
00:47:09 understand what first principles are but
00:47:10 the little two-year-old has mommy’s
00:47:12 attitude and she’s real bossy so the
00:47:14 little two-year-old’s arguing with you
00:47:16 about first principles yet the dad’s a
00:47:17 scientist on first principles so the dad
00:47:20 knows all about first principles but the
00:47:22 little two-year-old really doesn’t have
00:47:23 a clue but he’s arguing with Dad so
00:47:25 Satan is just attitude of
00:47:27 misunderstanding ideas that people
00:47:29 embody so it’s just a spirit of of Mis
00:47:33 immaturity basically s sure I I can s
00:47:36 see what you’re saying so a couple
00:47:38 things I would say that go with your
00:47:39 statement is there’s multiple levels in
00:47:41 the scriptures and that’s called Padres
00:47:43 I just put a link in that you can go
00:47:45 look at and I have some examples and I
00:47:47 give some books that show examples
00:47:50 actually one book actually gives lots of
00:47:52 examples from The Book of Mormon on
00:47:55 that um but
00:47:57 but um the different levels of
00:48:01 understanding like the deeper
00:48:02 understanding does not contradict the
00:48:05 lower meaning of understanding
00:48:09 um there there’s a lot of people think
00:48:11 the deeper contradicts the lower and I
00:48:15 completely disagree with that um and I
00:48:18 think
00:48:19 that um takes away from the scriptures
00:48:23 personally but yeah I agree um
00:48:27 I forget the other point I was going to
00:48:29 say with your statement
00:48:32 sorry just think about it you’re fine
00:48:35 but yeah there are deeper meanings to
00:48:39 things
00:48:40 but
00:48:44 um
00:48:46 can’t but so on words I don’t remember
00:48:49 this what I was trying to say but words
00:48:51 themselves have multiple meanings and
00:48:54 the cont exactly going on
00:48:57 with that the being said helps us
00:49:01 understand uh what definition that
00:49:03 should be used in addition
00:49:07 um and this is where because I can’t
00:49:09 hear your words you know what I mean
00:49:11 like they couldn’t hear jesus’ words
00:49:12 either they killed him because they
00:49:14 couldn’t understand him and the reason
00:49:16 like I can’t hear your words like I
00:49:18 can’t hear your words from what you’re
00:49:20 saying I can only hear your words from
00:49:23 my definition of what your words are you
00:49:24 know I I would disagree that they didn’t
00:49:27 understand what Jesus is saying they
00:49:29 understood what Jesus saying and that’s
00:49:31 why they started planning to kill him
00:49:35 because they yeah they he was
00:49:39 contradicting their false doctrines and
00:49:42 he was getting followers and those
00:49:46 followers H and this gets into a lot of
00:49:49 subjects tithing and priestcraft and bad
00:49:52 things that the Jews did but Jews
00:49:54 practice
00:49:55 priestcraft so let me yeah here I’m
00:49:59 going to share my priestcraft page I I I
00:50:03 oops wrong it’s that one so I don’t know
00:50:06 if oh I think you’re just on the phone
00:50:08 so you might not be able to see this but
00:50:09 you can look um when I put it on YouTube
00:50:13 I I’ll give you gosh I tell you I sure
00:50:15 love your your information you get I
00:50:19 just been looking through that a lot in
00:50:21 the last hour or two and my word it’s
00:50:23 just awesome how you guys how you have
00:50:26 all that it’s just very I very much
00:50:28 appreciate that it really helps me open
00:50:29 up sure sure yeah
00:50:32 they’re I I I’m generally pretty
00:50:36 thorough on reasons why I believe things
00:50:38 but like here’s priestcraft like I I I
00:50:41 think neither one of you can look but
00:50:42 you can look on the the video later but
00:50:45 I this is just a sampling from The Book
00:50:47 of Mormon but here’s my favorite one
00:50:50 from The Book of Mormon that talks about
00:50:52 the time of Christ mortal Ministry so 2
00:50:57 Nephi
00:50:59 105 but because of priest crafts and
00:51:02 iniquities they at Jerusalem will
00:51:04 stiffen their necks meaning they won’t
00:51:06 listen to him against him that they
00:51:09 crucified him so to stiffen one’s neck
00:51:13 you have to know what he’s saying and
00:51:16 understand it and I I don’t know the
00:51:20 verse in the New Testament off top my
00:51:22 head I can find it if you’re really
00:51:23 worried about it but they
00:51:26 oh here’s another guy there’s a Reuben
00:51:29 coming um hi oh let’s see Reuben’s
00:51:33 connecting but anyways so you know I so
00:51:38 neocracy meaning talking to the dead is
00:51:40 bad okay trying to call the spirits of
00:51:43 the dead but I’ve seen a meme where it
00:51:46 it it
00:51:48 Likens uh Zoom conference meetings to
00:51:51 these uh those seances with witches
00:51:55 right where they are you there can you
00:51:57 hear us right so anyways don’t do that
00:52:01 it’s NE NE I have a hard time saying
00:52:03 that word don’t talk to the dead right
00:52:06 don’t pray to the dead or try to talk to
00:52:08 the dead so this is a Sidetrack when
00:52:12 Joseph
00:52:13 Smith talked to Moroni right who did he
00:52:17 pray to he prayed to God trying to get
00:52:19 answers from God he wasn’t trying to
00:52:22 talk to the dead he was praying to God
00:52:25 and then God sent sent an angel Moroni
00:52:28 to teach him and answer his prayer
00:52:30 Joseph Smith was praying to God so
00:52:34 that’s not NE NEP I I can’t say it
00:52:38 anyways
00:52:39 necromancy yes thank you I I I have a
00:52:43 speech impediment that occasionally
00:52:46 shows up with some of the less used
00:52:48 words but anyways no
00:52:51 worries anyways
00:52:56 know that if if God is the word and the
00:52:59 word and the word is the meaning of the
00:53:03 word so and God is the meaning of the
00:53:06 word right and if a person doesn’t have
00:53:10 any meaning into the word then the
00:53:12 delusional ideas about misunderstanding
00:53:15 ideas and you know ideas that represent
00:53:18 Satan kind of possess the person’s mind
00:53:22 with superstitious and weirdness sure uh
00:53:26 book of Mormon
00:53:27 and Old Testament teach that unless
00:53:30 you’re born again you not understand
00:53:33 God’s words in fact one of my favorite
00:53:36 examples from The Book of Mormon is hey
00:53:40 sorry to interrupt I was gonna just uh I
00:53:42 was just gonna say if people are not
00:53:44 talking to put it on mute oh yeah I’m
00:53:48 getting yeah I think I’m getting
00:53:49 somebody on there yeah I’m getting feed
00:53:52 too so that that’s a good point Rob
00:53:55 thanks for that do you prefer Rob or
00:53:58 Robert uh Robert’s fine okay yeah I I
00:54:01 mean I’ve been called worse I was in the
00:54:03 military
00:54:04 so well I I’ve been called some pretty
00:54:08 bad things too I’ve been called all the
00:54:10 antichrists in the Book of Mormon also
00:54:14 um some people don’t like some things I
00:54:16 bring out but anyways um either put it
00:54:19 on you or put a headset on like I just
00:54:21 did um but anyway yeah that’s what I I
00:54:24 have my headset on but I if it gets too
00:54:27 noisy I just mute it aftershocks I it’s
00:54:30 not in the ears but anyway I got mine on
00:54:32 mute though unless I talk anyway perfect
00:54:37 um what were we talking about before
00:54:39 that Interruption
00:54:41 Interruption oh nipp sorry no that’s
00:54:44 fine it was a good Interruption um
00:54:46 because we don’t want feedback um well
00:54:50 talking about the identification of of
00:54:52 who like who you could identify Satan as
00:54:55 because I ident ify it as just lack of
00:54:58 definition in a person just lack of lack
00:55:00 of Common Sense lack of know knowledge
00:55:03 lack of all that stuff just still think
00:55:06 they know it all still be
00:55:08 arrogant and a person who just describes
00:55:11 God as the word and as love they pick up
00:55:14 all those qualities and then all those
00:55:16 qualities they wouldn’t want to have any
00:55:17 other way and then they have that taste
00:55:19 in their mouth like they don’t want to
00:55:20 think or think or or talk about anything
00:55:22 else other than those fine qualities and
00:55:24 the next thing you know they start
00:55:27 loving their words and they start loving
00:55:29 who they are and then you know right
00:55:31 like Joseph Smith talked about you know
00:55:33 I don’t know the exact quote but
00:55:35 something along the lines
00:55:37 of tasting the words of the Gospel are
00:55:41 sweet and what I find interesting with
00:55:44 that statement is that honey is sweet
00:55:49 and
00:55:50 honey is Robert May disagree with me on
00:55:54 this but honey is an idiom for Torah in
00:55:58 the scriptures because Torah teaches our
00:56:01 teaches us how to be like Christ Torah
00:56:06 is God’s law to us to instruct us on how
00:56:10 to be like him um I I know a lot of
00:56:15 eldest people and Christians will will
00:56:17 talk about well you know that’s the
00:56:19 school teacher to have us be like
00:56:22 Christ uh and I agree but
00:56:27 when we’re becoming and are like Christ
00:56:29 that doesn’t mean that we’re going to
00:56:32 then contradict and not do what taught
00:56:35 us to be like Christ because what is
00:56:39 taught us to be like Christ is like
00:56:41 Christ oh and that reminds me what we
00:56:43 were going off of John 1 where Christ is
00:56:46 the word and the Greek of that actually
00:56:49 brings out how it’s not literally that
00:56:51 he is the word but he’s the word because
00:56:54 he uh per he is the perfect
00:56:59 personification of the word meaning he
00:57:01 is the perfect example of the word
00:57:03 Christ was sinless he never broke the
00:57:06 word or or Torah as in the culture that
00:57:09 he was in that that’s the whole thing is
00:57:11 Torah the law how to be like God and
00:57:15 that’s yeah so a person who actually
00:57:17 understands what their words mean they
00:57:19 know how to personify those words
00:57:21 correct yes yes yeah and it goes along
00:57:25 with um in the Tanakh and in the Book of
00:57:28 Mormon it teaches that unless we’re born
00:57:32 again we’re not going to understand what
00:57:34 these words
00:57:37 mean yeah like I was talking to my dad
00:57:39 he’s just like totally dead when it
00:57:41 comes to this stuff and basically what
00:57:44 what it what if he actually Define the
00:57:46 word faith like because faith is just
00:57:48 the expectation of things hoped for kind
00:57:50 of thing like every word is just void
00:57:53 unless you put definition to it so faith
00:57:55 is a word that draws all other words to
00:57:58 make it accurate and to make it come
00:58:00 alive and so when you actually put
00:58:02 definition to your words like God is the
00:58:04 word and you’re going to love your word
00:58:06 like with a little attention like you do
00:58:07 any relationship then you you become
00:58:10 born again you like dump your old
00:58:11 personality and you become like brand
00:58:13 new like you’re totally different person
00:58:16 you’re a new
00:58:17 creature um in fact I I don’t know if
00:58:21 you’ve read lectures on faith if not I
00:58:23 highly recommend it I’ll I’ll put the
00:58:27 a link of a site that I I like um for it
00:58:31 oh where’s chat now
00:58:34 um but so lectures on faith is something
00:58:39 that Joseph Smith taught um and
00:58:42 particularly the school of the prophets
00:58:44 and later on and when he put it
00:58:48 to to the church in the 1835 Doctrine
00:58:52 covenants he signed his name and said
00:58:55 that I’m responsible for what this
00:58:57 teaches I don’t believe he was the only
00:58:59 one that worked on the lectures on faith
00:59:01 but
00:59:02 he he worked on them a lot before they
00:59:05 were published and I I talk about that
00:59:08 in my Holy Ghost and holy spirit of the
00:59:10 same post but lectures on faith
00:59:15 defines faith is kind of what you were
00:59:18 just saying there Jordan and
00:59:21 also power because Hebrews talks about
00:59:24 how the world was formed by faith and
00:59:27 the world was formed by God’s
00:59:32 power um and so it also kind of defines
00:59:35 on faith and you know if an action also
00:59:40 faith is a principle of action so if you
00:59:43 when you define your words and you
00:59:44 create a whole new personality it’s like
00:59:47 the commands of God are basically your
00:59:48 own Devotion to the choice preference
00:59:51 you you wouldn’t want to have any other
00:59:53 way if you if it was actively conscious
00:59:55 right yes like like like God is the word
00:59:59 well what’s a word it’s just a meaning
01:00:01 it’s a body of perspective well what
01:00:03 what’s God God’s a body of perspective
01:00:05 it’s a body of meaning well what is it
01:00:07 well it’s made out of these qualities
01:00:08 well what qualities well love is the
01:00:10 first principal quality well if you
01:00:12 break down the word Love Like Jesus
01:00:14 broke the bread saying the bread is the
01:00:16 word you break down the bread and you
01:00:18 have all these sentences and all these
01:00:20 perspectives like hundreds and hundreds
01:00:22 of them after a while you’re like oh my
01:00:23 God I could practically see God’s face
01:00:26 you know if you do it enough so your
01:00:28 faith gets so strong that it just like
01:00:30 turns you into a whole different
01:00:31 creature your actions change I know with
01:00:34 Bruce Lipton he studies the he’s the
01:00:36 author of the biology of belief and he
01:00:39 says when a person puts different
01:00:41 definitions to their words like deepens
01:00:43 their definition to their words their
01:00:46 whole actions will change to match the
01:00:48 definition the new definitions trer I’m
01:00:51 I’m aware of Bruce Lipton I used to like
01:00:53 him um I don’t like him anymore I
01:00:57 believe he teaches a lot of new age
01:00:59 things um that’s another subject we can
01:01:02 get into if you want but off of your
01:01:04 statement I do believe you’re going to
01:01:06 like lectures on faith lecture three and
01:01:09 four and then also I want to share uh
01:01:15 something from The Book of Mormon real
01:01:17 quick for RIA because some of the things
01:01:19 you’re like I would love your
01:01:21 information on faith I love Faith I I
01:01:24 mean I love I’ve been studying the
01:01:26 actual word faith and drawing all words
01:01:29 around it to describe it it’s just been
01:01:31 waking me up like crazy I just love it
01:01:34 I’d love to hear your information and
01:01:36 things about that especially like as our
01:01:38 relationship develops down through the
01:01:40 months you know or whatever uh sure U we
01:01:43 we ought to talk about moronai 7
01:01:45 sometime uh because that one’s a good
01:01:47 one um on faith right ether 12 is
01:01:50 another good one and sure I’m happy to
01:01:54 um but anyways but
01:01:56 so you brought up a a section uh section
01:02:00 subject of seeing the face of the Lord
01:02:03 um so and Joseph Smith taught that and
01:02:07 we can look at a quote from Joseph Smith
01:02:09 um but in a minute I want to bring one
01:02:10 out from thir Nei
01:02:14 18:25 that um basically says seek my
01:02:18 face or you will be tempted meaning you
01:02:22 know led into temptation or be caught by
01:02:24 the devil
01:02:26 um and so that’s the goal that we should
01:02:29 be
01:02:30 doing I’m going to tell you something
01:02:32 that may be hard now the eldest church
01:02:36 discourages people from seeking the
01:02:39 second comforter so let me read you the
01:02:41 scriptures from
01:02:42 3i 18 and then I’ll read a quote from
01:02:45 Joseph Smith in a minute okay right
01:02:47 after that so thiri 18:25 and ye see
01:02:53 that I have commanded that none none of
01:02:56 you should go away but rather have
01:02:58 commanded that you should come unto me
01:03:00 personally that you might feel and see
01:03:04 and even so shall ye do unto the world
01:03:08 meaning
01:03:09 you you do this I told you do this now
01:03:12 you go tell the world to go do it
01:03:14 whosoever
01:03:15 breakthe himself to be led in Temptation
01:03:20 meaning seek my face personal appearance
01:03:24 with you and tell the world to do the
01:03:26 same and then just to make sure that you
01:03:29 know he’s speaking to everyone in verse
01:03:33 206 just in this next verse he says and
01:03:36 now it came to pass when Jesus had
01:03:38 spoken these words he turned his eyes
01:03:40 again unto the disciples the 12 whom he
01:03:43 had Chosen and said unto them so he was
01:03:45 speaking to everybody when he said that
01:03:48 statement now let me
01:03:51 get um let me find the quote I want from
01:03:53 Joseph Smith
01:04:09 so Joseph Smith has one it
01:04:12 says to seek after your calling election
01:04:15 made sure and if anybody teaches you
01:04:17 something other than that they’re
01:04:19 teaching a different gospel
01:04:22 um I’m trying to find that one for you
01:04:27 and and the calling election made sure
01:04:30 is just another phrase for second
01:04:32 comforter which we just read that you
01:04:35 know we need to seek and sadly the
01:04:38 eldest Church teaches not to go after
01:04:42 it um if you want I can
01:04:45 find it says not to go after what
01:04:48 exactly the Elder Church teaches not to
01:04:50 go after your second comforter or to see
01:04:53 God’s face and I don’t understand
01:04:56 what I mean is if you just Define your
01:04:58 words like every word you say has a
01:04:59 meaning and you just want the deeper
01:05:01 meaning for the thoughts you think and
01:05:02 for the word you say and then you put
01:05:04 deep meaning there all of a sudden you
01:05:06 hit that coherence of all words and
01:05:08 you’re like holy crap I see the face of
01:05:10 God it’s not like you’re searching for
01:05:13 the face of God like you want to see him
01:05:15 like I gotta go see God’s face and I’m
01:05:17 gonna go search the world to see God’s
01:05:19 face or whatever I’m just talking about
01:05:21 you understand the personality of God so
01:05:23 much you just see the person the
01:05:26 invisible person of who he is so much
01:05:28 you know you see it really
01:05:30 clear there’s a to know God means
01:05:35 that um and the purpose of his life is
01:05:39 to come and to know God now no is a very
01:05:45 key word and that’s why I kind of said
01:05:47 it a little different and like the word
01:05:51 to see and to know like Messiah I I like
01:05:55 to see and to know means like
01:05:59 Messiah
01:06:01 I we need to know the Messiah in fact
01:06:05 you know on sermon on the mountain and
01:06:06 and at the temple uh the last so either
01:06:09 seven
01:06:11 or 14 depending which one you take
01:06:14 chapter it talks about at the end
01:06:16 that uh I will say I do not know you or
01:06:19 you don’t know me and knowing has to do
01:06:22 with a very personal relationship and
01:06:25 one thing that Robert and I were talking
01:06:27 about earlier is when Adam knew Eve is
01:06:31 because he was intimate a AKA had sex
01:06:35 with her um but knowing has a very
01:06:39 intimate conation to it it’s kind of
01:06:43 like if you know what a person is and
01:06:44 you know what a spirit is and you know
01:06:46 the definition you know exactly their
01:06:48 characteristics you know how that and
01:06:50 then you start understanding all the
01:06:52 other details like when you actually
01:06:53 Define the word faith and then you have
01:06:55 all these other words of who you are and
01:06:57 what your words mean and all of a sudden
01:06:58 you get this massive coherent so let me
01:07:02 let me get a picture for you so you’re
01:07:04 you’re thinking in my opinion helenistic
01:07:07 way of thinking and not the way Hebrew
01:07:09 way of thinking hel God isn’t a person
01:07:13 God is actually it’s not a he’s not a
01:07:16 human being person uh God has flesh and
01:07:19 Bone um so he is a being yeah but he’s
01:07:24 he’s everything but what I’m he’s not
01:07:26 everything not
01:07:28 like God is
01:07:32 Jesus he’s an actual is a man on Earth
01:07:36 right now walking around well Jesus
01:07:40 Earth walking on Earth right now but he
01:07:43 did yeah so what I’m saying is he’s not
01:07:46 a man he’s not a human being flying
01:07:49 flying in space you know he’s a
01:07:52 different creature in a way like
01:07:56 he
01:07:56 he resurrected
01:07:59 body yeah so like before Jesus came to
01:08:02 Earth he what I in my perception the way
01:08:06 I see God and Jesus before they came to
01:08:08 Earth that God is very similar to the
01:08:11 meaning in words so like you could feel
01:08:13 jealous and upset about a situation and
01:08:16 you could say certain things mean but
01:08:18 your true meaning is the purpose and
01:08:20 goal of what you’re really wanting so
01:08:22 God is the purpose and goal of what
01:08:24 everyone really wants so it’s actual
01:08:26 it’s the actual Spirit of that goal and
01:08:29 and desire and Christ so basically love
01:08:33 and Christ Jesus is basically the reason
01:08:36 to love like the meaning in love so like
01:08:38 God is the word well Jesus is the
01:08:40 meaning that gets coherent when you
01:08:42 actually Define your words so like what
01:08:44 to see and to know your words like every
01:08:47 definition to see and to know them it’s
01:08:49 the Messiah the messages in you like
01:08:52 that you that come alive that you
01:08:53 wouldn’t have if you didn’t Define them
01:08:56 that’s what I’m talking about so Jesus
01:08:58 taught that the law is All About Love
01:09:01 first loving God and then loving your
01:09:03 neighbor as yourself which hangs all the
01:09:07 law and the prophets I I think and maybe
01:09:10 it’s because we’re talking differently
01:09:13 but I do think you’re construing some
01:09:16 things together that maybe shouldn’t so
01:09:18 I think you’re partly right for example
01:09:21 ether like what’s the law of a word
01:09:23 what’s the law what is the law
01:09:26 of a of a word the law of a word is the
01:09:29 nature and example and expression of the
01:09:31 word so if you have all the qualities of
01:09:33 God’s
01:09:34 name like if you have all the qualities
01:09:37 of love every quality describing love
01:09:40 upholding that principle every quality
01:09:43 has a deep rooted description and that
01:09:45 deep rooted description is the law it’s
01:09:48 the nature it’s the expression of those
01:09:50 qualities and and the nature of those
01:09:53 expressions all add up if you have a 100
01:09:56 expressions of love those those hundred
01:09:58 qualities of love every expression is a
01:10:01 unique perception and it’s a deep long
01:10:04 if it’s a really deep perception a real
01:10:07 deep Long description then the law is
01:10:11 the nature of those expressions that
01:10:13 happen that personify from a person
01:10:15 actually observing those laws observing
01:10:17 the law of God is basically observing
01:10:20 all those qualities that add up that
01:10:22 sense for a person to actually embody
01:10:25 and and feel and sense and tell you know
01:10:27 so I think the last I think the last
01:10:29 half of Elma one might be a good example
01:10:32 of what you’re what I think you’re
01:10:33 trying to say is that even though the
01:10:38 Believers in the last half of Elma one
01:10:40 were
01:10:42 persecuted right they endured the end
01:10:45 and loved them and they had
01:10:47 peace um because that’s because they
01:10:51 live the way of peace and so God was
01:10:53 able to give them peace now
01:10:55 I does that make sense does that seem to
01:10:58 go along with what you’re trying to say
01:11:00 there I think if you if when you define
01:11:03 the the fruits of the spirit or the
01:11:04 gifts of the Spirit or God’s God’s
01:11:06 qualities you actually put roots to them
01:11:08 it actually Roots into your heart like
01:11:11 you love them you’re like oh my gosh I
01:11:13 love the qualities of God and then just
01:11:15 like a kid ex you know kids only learn
01:11:17 by example people only learn by example
01:11:19 too people only learn by ex experiencing
01:11:22 a perception perceptual example and if
01:11:25 and if they don’t get a perceptual
01:11:27 example they won’t learn it so just like
01:11:29 a kid learns from his dad by example a a
01:11:32 a guy who defines their words and
01:11:34 defines qualities and when they see the
01:11:36 awesomeness because every quality when
01:11:38 you start defining qualities you feel
01:11:40 those emotions you just feel them you’re
01:11:42 like every perception is just made with
01:11:43 massive emotions and when you’re start
01:11:45 defining God and all those emotions add
01:11:47 up it’s just like one after another
01:11:49 after another and after another it’s
01:11:50 just like oh my goodness you start
01:11:52 embodying those you can’t help but want
01:11:54 to copy and exemplify those those
01:11:57 qualities that you never knew before so
01:12:00 one thing you might like this and I
01:12:02 think goes along with what you’re saying
01:12:04 the the Good Samaritan Parable right
01:12:07 that’s a good example um here’s all
01:12:09 these righteous people who are claiming
01:12:11 to follow God but yet they wouldn’t help
01:12:14 someone on the side of the road who was
01:12:17 who’s dying and then here’s this enemy
01:12:21 actually the Jews thought the Samaritans
01:12:23 were enemies and he took care of this
01:12:28 Jew this
01:12:30 enemy took care of this person and not
01:12:33 only just took him to the hotel but he
01:12:35 told the hotel owner here’s what I have
01:12:38 now take care of what you can with it if
01:12:40 you need more I’ll pay you more after he
01:12:42 didn’t give a limit how much for the
01:12:45 hotel owner just spend he’s like I’ll
01:12:46 take care of it right I’m going to help
01:12:49 him now one thing sounds like a morally
01:12:51 conscious person no here here’s one
01:12:54 thing a little tidbit for you on Hebrew
01:12:56 I don’t know if you know this but
01:12:58 ancient Hebrew didn’t put the vows in
01:13:00 right so you could see the consonant and
01:13:03 depending how you pronounce the
01:13:04 consonant you can get two different
01:13:07 words now when Jesus asked how do you
01:13:11 read the
01:13:14 law an interesting tidbit on this enemy
01:13:18 and
01:13:19 neighbor actually have the same
01:13:21 conidence in them and in The Sermon on
01:13:25 the Mount Christ clarifies what that
01:13:29 word was that it’s enemy because the
01:13:32 Jews thought you only needed to love
01:13:34 your quote unquote neighbor AKA other
01:13:37 Jews you didn’t have to love your enemy
01:13:39 and Christ was telling them no the law
01:13:43 is love your
01:13:45 enemies and so it’s a little tidbit for
01:13:49 like actually it’s your neighbor so you
01:13:50 need to wake up it’s not your enemy kind
01:13:52 of thing well God says love your enemies
01:13:56 but Jews yeah love him like your brother
01:13:59 right love him like
01:14:01 yourself yeah
01:14:04 um but God Jesus was bringing out how
01:14:08 some ofat what you’re kind of I think
01:14:09 maybe applies to what you’re saying that
01:14:12 they they defined that word by neighbor
01:14:16 because it was easier for them less
01:14:18 requirement right it’s just you know
01:14:21 they they don’t want to love people who
01:14:22 are different in fact the Jews have
01:14:25 really bad traditions about Gentiles if
01:14:28 you go look into their talmid and oraw
01:14:30 cabala stuff but which is bad but
01:14:34 anyways they they hated non-jews even
01:14:39 the Samaritans that’s why Christ used
01:14:41 the Samaritan in that Parable because
01:14:43 they hated Samaritans and he was trying
01:14:46 to bring into the point that you love
01:14:50 everyone in fact you
01:14:52 know let men know are I forget the exact
01:14:55 quote but men shall know you are not my
01:14:58 disciples by how you love them that you
01:15:01 love one another
01:15:03 right yeah if you have love love amongst
01:15:05 yourselves
01:15:06 yeah same thing that you love everyone
01:15:11 now one thing yeah just somewhat going
01:15:14 off of somewhat how we kind of met not
01:15:16 to get into details of
01:15:19 that it’s loving to tell people that
01:15:22 they’re wrong my son just ran away
01:15:24 yesterday no I’m not going to get into
01:15:26 from his mom because his mom’s trying to
01:15:27 vaccinate him he doesn’t want to get
01:15:28 vaccinated because he knows the truth so
01:15:31 that’s where I was coming from I had a
01:15:32 hard time yesterday well okay so
01:15:35 vaccines are bad we could talk about
01:15:37 that a little bit and it’s it’s bad that
01:15:40 the LD Church actually promotes them um
01:15:44 and it’s that czy words of Joseph Smith
01:15:47 Joseph Smith called that stuff poison
01:15:49 and I have quotes on that I could show
01:15:51 if you want but oh boy that’s nice to
01:15:54 know I’d like a little of that okay so
01:15:56 let me show you this real quick so
01:16:00 Hebrew mindset and Greek mindset is I
01:16:02 think it’s something that’s really
01:16:04 important to keep in mind with some
01:16:06 things that you’ve bring about or trying
01:16:09 to say and I I just want to look at this
01:16:12 okay so Hebrew thought says loyal to God
01:16:15 family and Country Greek is loyal to the
01:16:18 state
01:16:20 um core book Bible and holy scriptures I
01:16:23 mean I would add Book of Mormon to that
01:16:26 it’s a Hebrew Book right core work work
01:16:29 writings of Phil
01:16:31 officers Hebrew the Hebrew system is
01:16:34 scriptural model of education and the
01:16:36 goal is for student to
01:16:39 become what the teacher is and that’s
01:16:42 even in current Hebrew culture knowledge
01:16:46 is acquired as a
01:16:48 byproduct knowledge is a byproduct I
01:16:51 want to make that a big point and the
01:16:54 coming is a big Point while the goal is
01:16:57 the shape of the character of the
01:16:58 student in Greek the Greek emphasizes
01:17:02 knowledge knowing like reading a book
01:17:05 with the students learning what the
01:17:07 teacher knows this is based on the
01:17:10 cognitive input that the act of process
01:17:13 of putting knowledge in Greeks focus on
01:17:16 knowledge just knowing something where
01:17:19 the Hebrews focus on
01:17:22 becoming and I I think big part of the
01:17:26 Gospel is
01:17:27 becoming teach by love and
01:17:31 example uh for the Hebrews toach by
01:17:34 knowledge so if a person only learns by
01:17:36 example and they want to become the
01:17:37 example they’re learning then they have
01:17:39 to define the qualities they actually
01:17:41 want to
01:17:42 embody right but the Greek’s focus is
01:17:45 not on becoming it’s just knowing and
01:17:48 just teaching it not necessarily
01:17:50 becoming
01:17:51 it but I agree with you I if real
01:17:54 knowledge comes from becoming in fact I
01:17:58 mean Christ has a statement right in the
01:18:00 New Testament that if you want to know
01:18:02 if this came just from me or from God do
01:18:05 it and when you keep the Commandments
01:18:09 God will give you Revelations on to
01:18:12 better understand them and help you
01:18:13 understand why you’re doing it um it’s
01:18:17 the becoming that gives you real
01:18:18 knowledge not
01:18:20 just going and reading a book because
01:18:23 when you become
01:18:25 um you
01:18:27 start understanding what God has put in
01:18:30 the scriptures just like for example
01:18:33 unless you have be born again you’re not
01:18:35 going to understand
01:18:37 things um yeah you kind of have to
01:18:40 experience the law you have to actually
01:18:42 observe God’s laws in order to actually
01:18:45 conceive them or or perceive them you
01:18:48 know a person doesn’t recognize
01:18:49 something they don’t know anything about
01:18:52 you might like my catch and understand
01:18:56 post
01:18:59 um I I’ll put a link to it um and it it
01:19:04 talks about how you have to do to come
01:19:09 to under stand um Hey
01:19:14 where’s okay let me stop sharing hold
01:19:17 on um you know how you have to if you
01:19:20 how do you do a word I mean if a word
01:19:24 you like how a word a word without the
01:19:26 works is dead a lot of people say well
01:19:28 that’s just your actions well a word is
01:19:31 the meaning that makes someone act so if
01:19:33 it doesn’t have any meaning you’re not
01:19:35 going to act out the word in a proper
01:19:36 way unless you have the actual
01:19:38 perception about what the word means
01:19:40 yeah like a word it’s kind of like a
01:19:43 catch 22 here let me um really quick
01:19:46 gentlemen um I I gotta get off here my
01:19:49 my phone is about to die um I just
01:19:51 wanted to make sure that I said bye all
01:19:54 right well for just hanging up I didn’t
01:19:56 want to make it look like I didn’t care
01:19:57 what you guys were saying no no that’s
01:19:59 fine um thanks for coming Robert um I’ll
01:20:01 be doing again next Friday um so come
01:20:04 again um cool and I’ll probably get with
01:20:07 you later sure sure I I love talking
01:20:10 about the polar configuration I I’m not
01:20:13 allowed in the main group anymore so um
01:20:17 I don’t talk about I had a temporary
01:20:20 timeout oh I’m completely forbidden uh
01:20:23 go read my Larson posts and it talks
01:20:26 about it but anyway sounds good yeah so
01:20:30 we’ll we’ll talk more about what we were
01:20:31 talking about earlier and uh I’ll I’ll
01:20:33 actually have scriptures this time sure
01:20:36 sure no it it SCP I was going off the
01:20:39 cuff no that’s understandable um I I I
01:20:44 just on some of those subjects I think
01:20:46 the scriptures were important but I I
01:20:48 understand absolutely I do that
01:20:50 sometimes too yeah I mean um because I
01:20:54 was driving that was the only reason I
01:20:56 wasn’t able to provide that for you but
01:20:58 um yeah and and and to be clear it’s
01:21:01 perfectly uh perfectly reasonable for
01:21:04 you to be kind of like um not in
01:21:08 agreeance with what I’m saying because I
01:21:10 don’t know anybody else that’s saying
01:21:11 any of these things so um that’s that’s
01:21:14 perfectly reasonable there’s a lot of
01:21:16 things I believe that other people don’t
01:21:19 believe but the question is the main
01:21:23 question is are we becoming
01:21:25 because Joseph SM has a quote along the
01:21:27 lines I we don’t condemn people because
01:21:30 of what they believe um we let people
01:21:33 believe how they want but um we need to
01:21:37 be careful with that because beliefs do
01:21:40 go down to actions and we are judged by
01:21:43 our works and our thoughts and our
01:21:45 intents and those a lot of that is based
01:21:48 off of what we believe so we right we’re
01:21:50 not necessarily judged off of what we
01:21:53 believe we do need to be careful with it
01:21:56 and coincide it with the scriptures if
01:21:59 you care about the God of Abraham Isaac
01:22:01 and Jacob beliefs
01:22:03 right uh not that I understand it all
01:22:06 right I’m still learning and growing
01:22:09 myself I would love to hear about some
01:22:12 of the beliefs people don’t
01:22:14 believe that you talking about I like I
01:22:17 enjoy that kind of stuff I really like
01:22:19 broadening my mind and learning new
01:22:20 things uh sure well um after I do this
01:22:24 little thing on mosiah 26 if you want we
01:22:27 can talk about the polar configuration
01:22:29 some which is one that Robert and
01:22:31 I uh
01:22:33 have a basis in together we have some
01:22:36 different beliefs in that basic system
01:22:40 or believe but overall we believe in it
01:22:43 I would say that’s accurate right
01:22:46 yeah yeah that would be accurate but um
01:22:49 but I’ll get with you uh gentlemen later
01:22:51 I I appreciate you inviting me and uh
01:22:54 look for to talking again all right well
01:22:56 hopefully you can come next week cool
01:22:59 thank you all right take care
01:23:03 bye okay Jordan so um one thing you you
01:23:08 may find this interesting mosiah 26
01:23:10 right
01:23:12 um I love the way you talk by the way
01:23:15 you’re just calm and and just just very
01:23:17 mellow and very precise I just love it
01:23:19 by the way very easy to listen to oh
01:23:22 well thank you um I I I’m not always
01:23:25 calm sometimes I do
01:23:27 get um frustrated but I I’ve been at
01:23:30 this for a few years so um I’ve gotten
01:23:32 better
01:23:34 so you’re you’re seeing an effect over
01:23:37 years of work so um it wasn’t I I have
01:23:42 the natural man in me still but it’s
01:23:46 it’s less than it used to be okay um but
01:23:51 it also comes from I’ve done my studies
01:23:53 okay there’s a lot of things I don’t
01:23:56 know but even when I don’t know it and
01:23:59 someone brings stuff up like Robert was
01:24:01 I’m like okay let’s go to the
01:24:03 scriptures um and look it up the
01:24:06 scriptures are my base primarily The
01:24:09 Book of Mormon second
01:24:11 Torah and then I believe most of the DNC
01:24:15 that’s an interesting subject we could
01:24:17 talk about if you want uh I believe the
01:24:20 New Testament as far as it’s translated
01:24:22 correctly uh and I believe in the Pro
01:24:24 great price um so I I do the best I can
01:24:30 I don’t know it all I’m always working
01:24:33 on finding things
01:24:36 but when one expounds scriptures to me
01:24:40 I’m more and I can see it from them that
01:24:44 are expounding it I’m more prone to
01:24:46 believe it than is someone coming out
01:24:47 and saying something right um in fact
01:24:51 here let me let us Sidra just a little
01:24:55 bit before we go to that mosiah 26
01:24:59 and why I think this is very important
01:25:05 um so there’s a verse in
01:25:07 Hosea
01:25:09 um let me share real
01:25:14 quick so I think you’re in your phone so
01:25:17 you won’t see it but I
01:25:18 won’t uh so you’ll see in the video but
01:25:20 I’ll read it to you Hosea 46 my people
01:25:24 are destroyed for lack of
01:25:29 knowledge let me repeat that again
01:25:31 because that’s real important my people
01:25:33 are destroyed for lack of
01:25:35 knowledge um yeah I believe that 100% I
01:25:38 mean but I think like every word is a
01:25:41 book of knowledge of its own law and an
01:25:43 example and in description and
01:25:45 expression and I think if you describe
01:25:48 God as his qualities you know like if
01:25:50 you start with love as a principle and
01:25:52 you you break down love and Define love
01:25:55 and then the knowledge is like every
01:25:59 book every word is a book of knowledge
01:26:01 potential so you could talk about one
01:26:03 word for five days if you wanted to or
01:26:06 you could talk about it you could take
01:26:08 two sentences and say it and then say oh
01:26:10 that’s it that’s all there is about the
01:26:11 word you know so I think knowledge is
01:26:13 kind of time you actually give the
01:26:16 word along that um a couple thoughts on
01:26:19 what you just said I think it’s more
01:26:21 important to study one verse out of the
01:26:25 scriptures for a whole year than it
01:26:27 would be to just read all of the the
01:26:31 whole standard works and oh yeah I like
01:26:34 that and if that one verse well studied
01:26:37 changed you to be more like Christ it
01:26:40 would do better than reading the whole
01:26:41 standard works if you did nothing to
01:26:43 change your
01:26:46 character the the focus is
01:26:49 not knowledge as in the helenistic way
01:26:53 of thinking or the Greek way of thinking
01:26:54 it which is
01:26:56 helenistic the purpose of the Gospel is
01:27:00 becoming not helenistic
01:27:03 knowing in fact if you know more and you
01:27:06 do not
01:27:08 change you’re more
01:27:10 [Music]
01:27:12 condemned I agree 100% hey I’m I’m gonna
01:27:15 put you on speaker phone okay I got a
01:27:18 dinner thing I have to go to and stuff
01:27:19 so I’m just getting dressed and I’m just
01:27:21 going to set the phone up and I want to
01:27:22 listen to what you’re saying though I’m
01:27:23 really interesting oh okay so if you
01:27:27 don’t mind I mean no no that’s fine I’m
01:27:29 I’m happy to chat as much time as you
01:27:31 you can give um I this is one of my
01:27:35 favorite subjects is the gospel um I
01:27:37 just want to hear you talk a little
01:27:40 bit well I’m just gonna put it on
01:27:42 speaker and
01:27:43 listen put me on a pedestal
01:27:47 okay what you need to is
01:27:50 be I don’t find people like you need to
01:27:54 be like the bereans and test what I’m
01:27:57 saying to the
01:27:58 scriptures okay yeah yeah so I so okay I
01:28:04 I think other people people expounding
01:28:06 the scriptures is important okay because
01:28:09 they help us see what’s there that we
01:28:12 may have not seen there in the first
01:28:14 place but after we listen to them and
01:28:17 kind of get their insights right we need
01:28:20 to then take it to the scriptures
01:28:22 ourselves study it out and then take it
01:28:25 to God In Prayer you cannot rely upon a
01:28:29 person only so I
01:28:32 mean lectures on faith I’m I’m going to
01:28:34 Sidetrack us on a little bit lectures on
01:28:36 faith 256 is one of my favorite
01:28:39 scriptures for this I’m going to let me
01:28:40 get it and I’ll read it to you
01:28:42 okay because it just I think it’s a
01:28:45 wonderful way of saying what I just said
01:28:49 um sounds good thank and Joseph Smith
01:28:51 said it so it’s got to be good right
01:28:54 anyways yeah I like I like how you think
01:28:56 and I like the things you’re saying big
01:28:57 time so thank you um so Faith have to be
01:29:02 like 10 feet away from the phone I can
01:29:04 still hear you but I can’t talk on it so
01:29:06 okay no that’s fine so luxur on faith
01:29:11 256 for we now clearly set forth how it
01:29:15 is the way and how it was and that the
01:29:20 way that God became an object of faith
01:29:23 for rational beings so how did people
01:29:28 start becoming to believe in God and
01:29:31 also upon what the foundation the
01:29:34 testimony was based like what what are
01:29:38 people’s testimonies based upon which
01:29:41 excited the inquiry in diligent search
01:29:45 of the ancient Saints so he’s talking
01:29:48 about what caused people to really want
01:29:52 to go search the scriptures right or to
01:29:55 seek out God’s
01:29:56 way to seek after and obtain a knowledge
01:30:00 a knowledge that that’s a big word right
01:30:04 uh and that’s not and this is Hebrew
01:30:07 knowledge not helenistic knowledge of
01:30:09 the glory of God meaning second
01:30:13 comforter you you have knowledge of the
01:30:15 glory of God when you see God before
01:30:19 that you just believe it you don’t know
01:30:22 it right
01:30:25 um and we have seen that it was human
01:30:29 testimony human testimonies what excited
01:30:32 others to really start
01:30:34 searching and human testimony only that
01:30:39 excited this
01:30:40 inquiry in the first instance in their
01:30:44 minds so people’s testimony and and kind
01:30:47 of going off of what you were saying a
01:30:49 lot of
01:30:51 earlier and I’ll just liken it to this
01:30:54 how people act and live and behave is
01:30:58 their testimony right because if they
01:31:00 really believe in love they will act
01:31:04 lovingly even when someone else is not
01:31:08 right which I’m not perfect at okay so
01:31:10 don’t put me on a pedestal I’m better it
01:31:14 and that’s kind of what enduring is okay
01:31:17 enduring it has the commutation that
01:31:19 there’s something’s hard and in
01:31:25 I think it’s Mor early 7 I’m going
01:31:27 off a rough memory here so forgive me if
01:31:29 I’m forgetting the chapter right
01:31:32 but uh Mormon is talking about because
01:31:34 Mormon is quoting his father that we
01:31:38 shall know that you are saved with God
01:31:41 because how you act with the children of
01:31:43 men children or men are people who do
01:31:46 not believe in God’s way children of God
01:31:50 are those who have accepted God his
01:31:53 authority and his Commandments which
01:31:55 teach how we need to be and
01:31:59 so it’s just going off the fact Our
01:32:01 Testimony is how we act right kind of
01:32:04 off goinging a lot of what you were
01:32:06 saying
01:32:07 earlier uh the excited their inquir in
01:32:10 the first instance in their minds it was
01:32:12 the
01:32:12 Credence they gave to the testimony of
01:32:15 their father so Credence how much they
01:32:17 believed it now if someone went around
01:32:20 teaching about love in Christ and if
01:32:23 they went and did something else than
01:32:25 what they’re teaching do you think they
01:32:29 would give much Credence to that
01:32:30 person’s
01:32:31 teachings I would argue no they wouldn’t
01:32:35 and oh I always forget how to say this
01:32:37 name hold on um but one of elma’s sons
01:32:42 is a good example of
01:32:44 that
01:32:46 corantin I think I said that but from
01:32:50 Elma 39 through 42 was a wicked son and
01:32:54 one of the things that
01:32:55 Elma
01:32:58 um chewed
01:33:00 out or
01:33:02 rebuked um corant and on is how he
01:33:06 preached one thing but acted another and
01:33:09 then the people didn’t believe Alma’s
01:33:11 words because of cor antin’s actions
01:33:15 right he was a very bad missionary very
01:33:19 bad and it made it so people didn’t
01:33:21 believe in elma’s Words which is I think
01:33:23 going along with this Credence word on
01:33:25 lectures on faith here they gave to the
01:33:28 testimony of their fathers this
01:33:32 testimony having aroused or awakened
01:33:36 their minds to inquire after the
01:33:38 knowledge of God in which I would say
01:33:41 second comforter seeing the God face to
01:33:45 face inquiry frequently terminated in
01:33:50 indeed always terminated when rightly
01:33:53 pursued in the most glorious discoveries
01:33:56 in Eternal certainty so later in the
01:34:01 lectures on faith uh lecture six it it
01:34:04 talks about how um you know sacrifice
01:34:08 and some stuff like that but when you do
01:34:12 the things that God wants you to do
01:34:15 that’s when you have certainty that you
01:34:19 um can be saved but when you’re not
01:34:22 doing what he tells you to do AKA
01:34:25 sinning you have no certainty of
01:34:29 that hopefully that anyways um the main
01:34:33 point is
01:34:36 men is to go out and call repentance
01:34:39 Elma
01:34:40 13 and to bring people to God themselves
01:34:44 in fact I mean that’s big in Elma I mean
01:34:46 not Elma second Nei 31 and 32 because
01:34:49 after you have your your baptism wire
01:34:53 and the bapt of fire and the Holy Ghost
01:34:55 you then you’re not done in the path you
01:34:57 need to keep going and go seek after his
01:35:00 face to go get instruction from him
01:35:07 directly so I hopefully you can hear me
01:35:11 I don’t know if you have any feedback on
01:35:14 that yeah I hear you I totally hear you
01:35:17 I agree with everything you’re saying
01:35:20 okay it’s really interesting hearing
01:35:21 about Elmo and just don’t put me on a
01:35:24 pedestal take what I say compare it to
01:35:27 the scriptures and study out and then
01:35:29 pray to
01:35:31 God yeah so pray afterwards every time
01:35:34 I’m gonna that that’s one thing I’m
01:35:35 going to do instead of skip out on that
01:35:38 incorporate that a little bit
01:35:40 more oh sure sure what um now I’m not
01:35:45 the most conversent on the doctrine
01:35:46 covenants but I think it’s DNC 9 8 n or
01:35:50 10 somewhere in that area that talks
01:35:51 about the pattern of prayer right you go
01:35:53 go study out on your own and then you go
01:35:56 pray for God for confirmation
01:35:59 um yeah I so what I studied was just
01:36:03 what a person is you know like what’s
01:36:05 the characteristics of a person you know
01:36:07 how does a person recognize things and
01:36:10 and what makes them not recognize things
01:36:11 and so I spent a lot of years just
01:36:13 studying what a human like a actual
01:36:15 spirit is and what a person is and what
01:36:18 sense is and what makes up something
01:36:21 smart sense and what makes up not
01:36:23 smartense sense what makes up the word
01:36:25 money what is a spirit of exchange and
01:36:27 what where’s the exchange happening and
01:36:29 and what makes a smart exchange and a
01:36:31 non-smart exchange what makes a Godly
01:36:33 exchange and what makes a demonetizing
01:36:35 exchange you know so that’s kind of
01:36:37 where I’m coming from is just my
01:36:40 understanding on on encouraging energy
01:36:43 and encouraging love and encouraging one
01:36:45 another to being smart instead of
01:36:47 demonetizing you
01:36:49 know well so money is fine um it’s just
01:36:54 the love of money that’s the problem
01:36:56 Jacob to first half deals a lot with
01:36:59 yeah let me say something on that so if
01:37:02 love is God love is like super smart and
01:37:04 love is always the reflection of loving
01:37:06 kindness you know discipline and loving
01:37:07 kindness so if if money is the devil and
01:37:11 you’re supposed to love your enemy so if
01:37:13 if the word money describes the Satan
01:37:16 the Devil Himself well you’re supposed
01:37:18 to kind of love your enemies anyway well
01:37:20 money is actually just a currency it’s
01:37:23 just a currency of monetizing exchange
01:37:26 or monetizing sense money is actually
01:37:29 the the root of scense like the root of
01:37:31 words and if you if money is sense a
01:37:35 monetizing sense that it’s actually
01:37:37 appreciating then it’s not a bad thing
01:37:40 money itself it’s not a bad thing it’s
01:37:41 the spirit of appreciating exchange so
01:37:44 if you love money then you’re you’re
01:37:46 utilizing the money as a spirit of
01:37:49 exchange and you’re appreciating the
01:37:51 spirit of exchange and you’re giving
01:37:52 because money happens when you give so
01:37:55 if you’re appreciating the the word
01:37:57 money as the definition the truth of the
01:37:59 word money and you’re you’re loving the
01:38:01 word money then you’re actually giving
01:38:04 that Spirit of sense to everyone and
01:38:07 you’re not charging debt and calling
01:38:09 that money you’re actually exemplifying
01:38:11 the word money by by giving and giving
01:38:13 and giving and giving and giving because
01:38:15 that’s what that’s where how you
01:38:16 generate love and you generate energy so
01:38:19 by loving money is actually you’re
01:38:22 actually your Smart
01:38:25 Sense so that’s how I see it Torah
01:38:28 speaks out against getting into debt
01:38:31 just FYI um well I know people talk bad
01:38:34 about money but that’s because they’re
01:38:36 they think money is something that is
01:38:38 not no money is real and money is fine
01:38:41 in fact the Book of Mormon talks about
01:38:44 uh when
01:38:46 lamanites converted they then had um I
01:38:50 don’t remember the exact words but uh
01:38:52 something like like larger exchange with
01:38:55 the Nephites and they prospered more
01:38:58 exchange money is fine money’s not the
01:39:01 problem it’s
01:39:02 the um love of money or love of stuff
01:39:07 that’s the problem it’s because money is
01:39:10 just a way of EX exchange yeah when they
01:39:15 say the love of money they don’t really
01:39:17 mean loving money what they mean is
01:39:19 they’re just uh deceitfully Desiring it
01:39:22 and wanting w wanting me me me m m m
01:39:26 that’s what they’re wanting money
01:39:27 wanting money because they want
01:39:30 more maybe lust of money it’s just yeah
01:39:34 it’s more lust because love is a word of
01:39:36 perfection it’s really not lusting or
01:39:39 wanting or needing that has nothing to
01:39:42 do with love so when you say love of
01:39:44 money is the root of allun jerious
01:39:46 things it’s really not the love of it
01:39:48 it’s actually the the need of it or the
01:39:50 wanting of it or the Desiring of you
01:39:52 know like
01:39:56 there’s no problem in need because I
01:39:58 mean the poor need money or the things
01:40:01 that money provides and they’re not
01:40:03 being sinful for that in fact if
01:40:05 anything those who have means and don’t
01:40:09 give to the poor are the ones that are
01:40:11 actually sinning and that’s taught in
01:40:12 mosiah
01:40:14 2-5 right um so it needing money is fine
01:40:19 in fact uh we are to give to the
01:40:24 poor their needs and their wants it is
01:40:28 fine to have some wants the problem is
01:40:31 when the wants
01:40:33 goes
01:40:35 uh too far for example in Elma 38 the
01:40:40 last half I can find the actual verse if
01:40:43 you want but Elma is teaching one of his
01:40:46 other sons of things and in here he says
01:40:50 to Bridal your passions he doesn’t say
01:40:52 get rid of your passion he says Bridal
01:40:55 them meaning them keep them under
01:40:59 constraint don’t let them overpower you
01:41:01 and control you not that you should get
01:41:03 rid of them if that makes sense in fact
01:41:06 this is a whole another thing if you
01:41:09 don’t if you know what tassels or tzits
01:41:11 are Bridal uh has that imagery in it and
01:41:15 that’s a whole another subject we could
01:41:16 get into sometime if you want
01:41:24 I understand Bridal because you know I
01:41:26 grew up with horses and you guide your
01:41:28 horse with the bridal with a good Bridal
01:41:30 you can you stop and go and turn and
01:41:32 spin and do all kinds of things with a
01:41:34 bridal well without the the bridling is
01:41:39 having you putting under control without
01:41:42 the bridal is when they the the horse
01:41:44 just goes off and does whatever he wants
01:41:46 and you start being caral but with the
01:41:49 bridal is when the horse is under
01:41:51 control and it’s doing things that are
01:41:53 okay because it’s within the constraints
01:41:56 that are allowed by
01:41:58 God yeah to me the the the bridling is
01:42:01 actually the word of God the meaning of
01:42:04 word so like if you’re G to Bridle so
01:42:07 like wanting someone want
01:42:10 words I agree if if we’re listening to
01:42:12 God’s words they’re bridling us or
01:42:14 controlling us or making it so we don’t
01:42:17 get out of control fact sex yeah so like
01:42:20 wanting wanting something is different
01:42:23 than appreciating so like if I want
01:42:25 you or I’m going to I I want you is
01:42:29 different than I appreciate you or or
01:42:32 I’m gonna do you is different than I’m
01:42:35 gonna appreciate you so appreciating
01:42:37 someone is different than wanting
01:42:39 someone it’s different than doing
01:42:40 something it’s different than needing
01:42:42 something you know you could want want
01:42:45 want because wanting is all about me me
01:42:48 me m m mine and if you’re understanding
01:42:51 Godly principles it’s all about how much
01:42:53 you can give and how much you can it you
01:42:55 know it has nothing to do about you it
01:42:57 has everything to do about the Hope in
01:42:58 others not so much the Hope in you
01:43:00 you’re hopeing others manifested by
01:43:03 everyone else so wanting another person
01:43:05 may not be the best example because
01:43:08 I so I don’t believe in Dean C32 you
01:43:12 want from another person you can’t get
01:43:14 them by wanting them you have to get
01:43:16 them by appreciating them if you
01:43:19 appreciate them you’ll get them but if
01:43:20 you want them you’re just going to want
01:43:22 want want it’s like The Law of
01:43:23 Attraction if you’re wanting something
01:43:25 you’re just going to want it it’s not
01:43:26 going to be fun so
01:43:29 apprection is a new age concept and we
01:43:32 can get into that because just because
01:43:34 you want something doesn’t mean you’re
01:43:36 going to get it um and that’s
01:43:38 a Satan deception um because the Law of
01:43:44 Attraction teaches all you need to do to
01:43:46 get something is just to want it and do
01:43:48 your vision board enough and just
01:43:51 visualize it enough you’re going to get
01:43:52 it that is a complete
01:43:55 deception um
01:44:00 but
01:44:03 uh so what I was going off on on desire
01:44:06 though on people is I I don’t believe in
01:44:09 DNC 132 was from God through Joseph
01:44:14 Smith and one reason has to do with this
01:44:16 what we’re talking about right
01:44:18 here DNC 132 says that you can desire
01:44:21 after other women and desire in fact
01:44:25 I’ll since I have it on the screen I can
01:44:27 show it or the dictionary on the screen
01:44:30 desire means
01:44:33 lust which uh Christ spoke out against
01:44:38 directly and so DC 132 is saying if you
01:44:42 want to lust after another woman that’s
01:44:45 okay that is completely false you should
01:44:50 cleave unto your wife and none else
01:44:53 um dc42 if I remember even Genesis
01:44:57 teaches
01:44:58 that um Jesus taught it also I just
01:45:01 think like the word desire like if you
01:45:03 really want to desire a state of mind or
01:45:06 a state of being like I am Desiring how
01:45:08 I am right now there’s no need There’s
01:45:11 No Lack there’s no wanting you’re just
01:45:13 loving how you are so real desire isn’t
01:45:16 a place coming from a place of lack it’s
01:45:19 coming from a place of what desire is so
01:45:21 a person doesn’t really even know what
01:45:23 the word desire describes coming from a
01:45:26 place of
01:45:29 lack maybe you want to use a different
01:45:31 word than desire because the word desire
01:45:34 doesn’t have the when you look at the
01:45:37 diary deinition especially in 1828 it
01:45:40 doesn’t quite go along with what you’re
01:45:42 saying so you may want to come up with a
01:45:43 better
01:45:45 word um anyways just if you want to be
01:45:50 careful with your words desires
01:45:53 may not be the best one that you’re with
01:45:55 what you’re trying to say well I’m just
01:45:57 saying whatever word whatever you’re
01:46:00 you’re saying you know you could say
01:46:01 don’t desire after a woman but are you
01:46:04 talking about real desire are you
01:46:06 talking about fake desire that 99% of
01:46:08 everyone describ this desire that’s
01:46:10 really not you know it’s like more than
01:46:12 likely everyone’s Mis defining the word
01:46:14 kind of like they Mis Define the word
01:46:15 money well so desire has negative
01:46:18 commutations with it even just the
01:46:20 definite addiction but I think maybe
01:46:22 what your
01:46:23 example what you might be going off what
01:46:25 people when they say they love someone
01:46:28 especially when they just me someone
01:46:30 right it’s more what they mean is that
01:46:33 I’m attracted to you and I like your
01:46:38 physical
01:46:39 body um more than that they know that
01:46:43 they love this person
01:46:46 and Society teaches love is a a feeling
01:46:50 that can disappear I believe
01:46:53 love is a
01:46:54 commitment for example if you love me
01:46:57 keep my Commandments that’s a statement
01:47:01 yeah well they kind of say that God is
01:47:02 love don’t they uh yes God is expresses
01:47:09 perfect love I would say is a better way
01:47:11 of saying it in English love and it’s a
01:47:13 long conversation about what the the
01:47:15 word describes you would have to
01:47:17 incorporate a whole bunch of qualiity
01:47:19 well God has a lot of qualities and
01:47:21 attributes and I think you should go
01:47:23 read lectures on faith uh lectures three
01:47:27 and four which kind of gets into those
01:47:29 um primary ones that we need to
01:47:31 believe um Love is one of them if I
01:47:34 remember correctly but um it’s been a
01:47:37 while since I’ve reviewed those but
01:47:39 anyways um Love is more like an
01:47:42 attribute uh Behavior but Christ Define
01:47:46 love is if you love me keep my
01:47:48 Commandments can you hear me real quick
01:47:50 hey hold on some’s at my door and and uh
01:47:53 they keep calling me because they’re
01:47:54 trying to get my attention and it keeps
01:47:55 shutting me off from you so I’m going to
01:47:57 have to go oh okay all right well I
01:47:59 think love is has a lot more to do with
01:48:01 commitment than just some fleeting
01:48:03 feeling as Society yeah I agree
01:48:05 commitment to who you’re being and your
01:48:07 thoughts and your things words okay
01:48:10 buddy I will I really appreciate talking
01:48:12 to you okay and I’ll talk to you I’m
01:48:14 glad we’re friends buddy sure sure well
01:48:16 well let’s talk next week again okay
01:48:19 okay sounds awesome I’ll get on the zoom
01:48:21 okay take care
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