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Mostly read and discussed LDS D&C 103, 101, 105, 85.

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00:00:00 one oh
00:00:02 okay so
00:00:03 um
00:00:05 we can go
00:00:06 to the actual section but i have some
00:00:08 notes on this because
00:00:10 when i saw them talking about this i i
00:00:13 especially where i i believed it wrong i
00:00:15 wanted to go look and see if they were
00:00:17 wrong and from what my reading was yeah
00:00:21 they were wrong
00:00:22 um
00:00:23 but let’s go look at it since you guys
00:00:25 wanted to
00:00:27 that’s not the one
00:00:33 just find my one with my notes
00:00:47 this is
00:00:48 the one mighty and strong up there
00:00:51 oh yeah this is under mighty and strong
00:00:53 um
00:00:55 did this one
00:00:56 oh yeah it’s this one okay
00:00:58 all right so
00:01:00 we can start here or we can just look at
00:01:03 103 completely and then we go here
00:01:04 whatever you guys want to do is just 103
00:01:07 is connected with 101 right yeah
00:01:12 and there’s some other things we can
00:01:13 talk about too if you want but we let’s
00:01:15 focus on this um part for now anyways
00:01:19 so i don’t know where you guys want to
00:01:20 start you guys run the show
00:01:23 we’ll start at the top
00:01:30 [Music]
00:01:31 verily verily i say unto you that my
00:01:33 servant joseph smith jr is the man to
00:01:35 whom i likened
00:01:37 the servant to whom the lord of the
00:01:39 vineyards spake and the parable which i
00:01:41 have given unto you
00:01:42 therefore let my servant joseph smith
00:01:44 junior say unto the strength of my house
00:01:47 my young men in the middle aged
00:01:49 gather yourselves together into unto the
00:01:51 land of zion upon the land which i have
00:01:53 fought with money
00:01:55 that has been consecrated unto me and
00:01:57 let all the churches send up wise men
00:01:59 with their monies and purchase lands
00:02:01 even as i have commanded them
00:02:03 okay so now that’s
00:02:05 this stuff is referencing some stuff in
00:02:08 101 okay right
00:02:11 so let’s go read 101
00:02:13 okay and the lord of the vineyards said
00:02:14 unto one of his servants go and gather
00:02:16 together the residue of my servants take
00:02:18 all the strength of my house which are
00:02:20 my warriors my young men and they that
00:02:21 are of middle age also among all my
00:02:23 servants who are the strength of mine
00:02:26 house save those only whom i have
00:02:28 appointed the terry
00:02:30 and go ye straightway unto the land of
00:02:32 my vineyard and redeem my vineyard
00:02:35 where it is mine
00:02:37 and i have bought it with money
00:02:39 therefore get you straightway onto my
00:02:41 land break down the walls of mine
00:02:42 enemies throw down their tower
00:02:45 scatter their watchmen and in as much as
00:02:47 they gather together against you avenge
00:02:49 me of mine enemies that by and by i may
00:02:52 come with the residue of mine house and
00:02:54 possess the land
00:02:56 joseph smith did that
00:03:00 he did that
00:03:04 bought the land and gathered the strong
00:03:06 ones in fact
00:03:07 in my opinion he still is gathering the
00:03:09 strong ones like
00:03:10 um those who abide the book of mormon
00:03:13 which tells us to abide torah
00:03:17 right
00:03:18 yeah his words are still gathering
00:03:22 his elect
00:03:23 to get us ready for the mighty and
00:03:25 strong
00:03:26 i don’t see anything in that
00:03:28 and we can go look at all of 101 in case
00:03:31 someone or
00:03:32 i’m leaving something out here but
00:03:34 um
00:03:36 he did that
00:03:38 and in some sense he still is right
00:03:40 because his
00:03:41 translation what i think the most
00:03:43 important thing joseph smith did was the
00:03:44 book of mormon translation
00:03:47 yeah which actually when you go look at
00:03:49 uh ii nephi three is a key part for the
00:03:52 mining and strong one because he’s gonna
00:03:54 use that to bring people
00:03:57 and teach them right
00:03:59 yeah so
00:04:00 um
00:04:01 anyways
00:04:03 so joseph smith’s work the book of
00:04:05 mormon translation is going to be
00:04:07 helping the mighty one the
00:04:09 the
00:04:10 the strong one right
00:04:17 i mean we can go look at all of
00:04:19 one-on-one if case you think i’m leaving
00:04:21 something out but not really not really
00:04:25 because the rest of it’s all stuff
00:04:27 related to
00:04:29 church history and apostasy and
00:04:31 yeah yeah
00:04:33 well yeah i mean i don’t remember at all
00:04:34 because like i told you dnc is not my
00:04:36 expertise
00:04:39 i did go look at this and uh when i came
00:04:42 across it one time like okay i should
00:04:43 just go look at this
00:04:45 and um
00:04:46 in my readings
00:04:48 i mean i didn’t put notes but other than
00:04:50 the scriptures and seeing it we can even
00:04:52 go look at 105 ones that relate to this
00:04:54 too
00:04:57 he did it
00:04:58 yeah he says nothing about coming back
00:05:00 and being the mighty and strong the
00:05:01 thing is they’re reading into
00:05:03 101 and 103 more than what it actually
00:05:06 says
00:05:08 yeah
00:05:09 well for instance right there at the
00:05:11 very top it says fairly verily i say
00:05:13 unto you that my servant joseph smith jr
00:05:15 is the man to whom i likened the servant
00:05:19 likened does not mean that this is the
00:05:21 exact same person well
00:05:24 i
00:05:25 i i mean we can go let’s go look at that
00:05:27 definition real quick um
00:05:29 yeah i i don’t even think we need that
00:05:32 to be honest but
00:05:33 um let’s go look at the definition
00:05:36 especially definition in his time
00:05:38 because i have noticed with book of
00:05:40 mormon that can make a difference and
00:05:42 even
00:05:43 even if we have the same definitions
00:05:46 knowing what all the definitions are
00:05:48 because
00:05:49 we will we may focus on different
00:05:50 definitions today than they did back
00:05:52 then right
00:05:54 yeah for instance uh
00:05:56 the uh your typical uh doctrine of
00:05:59 christ person will focus on the
00:06:01 definition of fulfilled that
00:06:03 indicate that it kind of indicates well
00:06:06 sure but you know
00:06:09 that still is not a full definition
00:06:11 because if i fulfilled the requirements
00:06:13 to go to college do i destroy
00:06:16 the requirements for other people to go
00:06:17 to college
00:06:18 or do they still have the same
00:06:20 requirements
00:06:21 they still have the same requirements oh
00:06:24 huh
00:06:24 so you mean fulfill still means more
00:06:26 than uh what they’re claiming
00:06:28 interesting
00:06:31 anyways i like using
00:06:38 example of fulfilled like a fulfillment
00:06:40 center the person places the order
00:06:46 fills the order and sends it to the
00:06:48 person
00:06:50 thus fulfilling the order
00:06:54 uh
00:06:55 yeah okay so likened is saying go look
00:06:58 at like like
00:07:00 um to compare to represent
00:07:05 as resembling or similar so they’re
00:07:07 similar but not necessarily exactly
00:07:10 right that’s not
00:07:12 the same
00:07:13 it’s actually in order to be similar it
00:07:15 cannot be the same
00:07:18 right
00:07:20 um
00:07:21 resembling
00:07:23 uh i would also say means that there’s
00:07:25 there’s something that’s different right
00:07:28 yes
00:07:29 uh represents
00:07:31 now that one could be the same right but
00:07:36 to compare doesn’t mean that it’s the
00:07:38 same or not you’re gonna compare myself
00:07:41 to myself
00:07:47 in this context yeah but yeah
00:07:50 whosoever hears these sayings of mine
00:07:52 and do with them i will liken the sermon
00:07:55 on the mount right him unto a wise man
00:07:57 that built his house on a rock so i mean
00:08:01 if we really want we could go find all
00:08:03 this instances of liken that here if you
00:08:06 i’ll give them to you real quick okay
00:08:08 and you can go through them
00:08:10 um
00:08:12 you can watch me use my app
00:08:16 uh and i’ll email them to you um
00:08:19 yeah so hold on
00:08:23 in fact on some of my things i do this
00:08:25 and i read every single verse on
00:08:27 on a word
00:08:29 wow that’s pretty cool uh i i’m just
00:08:32 trying it allows it allows the
00:08:34 scriptures to interpret themselves
00:08:36 we don’t want to do that though
00:08:40 yeah you can get into serious trouble
00:08:41 doing that
00:08:43 and wind your mind yourself into a
00:08:45 serious state of conviction
00:08:48 well that’s a good thing
00:08:50 yeah i know
00:08:52 hey even stop destroying my beautiful
00:08:54 piece
00:08:55 [Laughter]
00:08:57 uh
00:08:59 if your piece is not built upon the
00:09:01 truth it’s not
00:09:03 i’m sorry
00:09:05 a
00:09:07 i mean i can show this from the book of
00:09:09 mormon but i’ll sidetrack us but a
00:09:11 peacemaker is someone who preaches the
00:09:13 truth because
00:09:15 truth is the only way that you will get
00:09:17 peace it’s the ultimate
00:09:19 pathway to peace
00:09:22 there is no other pathway yeah there is
00:09:24 no other pathway here yeah
00:09:26 so everything else is a uh
00:09:29 um
00:09:30 camera
00:09:31 yeah i i was thinking another word but
00:09:33 that’s the same basic idea
00:09:35 um
00:09:37 a fraud that’s kind of moral i was
00:09:39 thinking but
00:09:40 this deceit okay
00:09:42 um all right so i’ll show you
00:09:46 like
00:09:47 in the scriptures
00:09:49 oh
00:09:50 let’s move that there
00:09:54 so this is a visual studio this is where
00:09:56 i spend my days
00:09:58 um
00:09:59 well most days anyways so
00:10:04 oops if i could
00:10:07 so i’m gonna go tell so i’m using
00:10:08 raget’s and i have um where you can do
00:10:11 trees
00:10:12 uh i don’t know how much you guys are
00:10:14 familiar with logic or programming or
00:10:16 and or xors i i have all this i have one
00:10:20 for count if you want it so many times
00:10:22 before you want it seen you can do that
00:10:24 too but we’re just going to do something
00:10:26 simple like right
00:10:28 yep which will give us likened also
00:10:31 because um you know lycan is inside of
00:10:34 like
00:10:36 so
00:10:37 um
00:10:38 oh yeah that’s a lot
00:10:41 and then
00:10:42 i don’t like looking it in there because
00:10:44 visual studios got written to look at
00:10:47 documents it’s written to look at code
00:10:50 so let’s go put it in
00:10:52 one note
00:10:55 and because it looks nicer there
00:11:00 onenote’s very good at looking at
00:11:01 documents
00:11:03 visual studio is not
00:11:05 yes
00:11:06 and i’m going to put a sub tab
00:11:10 here
00:11:12 like them and i’ll email these to you
00:11:14 too um
00:11:16 so
00:11:18 it’s like i don’t know where you want to
00:11:20 focus on or you want to move on to
00:11:21 something else let me look at that stuff
00:11:23 later but um i generally focus book of
00:11:25 mormon once um yeah
00:11:29 so my big reason for that
00:11:33 they can’t claim this translation
00:11:36 right they can with the bible and they
00:11:38 do
00:11:39 they can’t with the book of mormon
00:11:42 yeah that’s one of my reasons i focus on
00:11:44 book of mormon um but anyways
00:11:47 um
00:11:49 there’s
00:11:50 not very much uh
00:11:52 there’s there’s not much room for
00:11:53 controversy in the text
00:11:57 oh there is
00:11:59 there i mean
00:12:01 but there’s there shouldn’t be
00:12:03 there shouldn’t be but i’ve had people
00:12:04 in the rlds tradition
00:12:07 their way to combat what i’m bringing
00:12:08 out from the book of mormon is guess
00:12:10 what you you grew up with the wrong
00:12:12 doctrine covenants what does that matter
00:12:18 i’m talking about the book of mormon
00:12:20 here yeah i know but they’re saying that
00:12:22 because they can’t really argue against
00:12:25 what i’m bringing out without looking
00:12:26 dumb
00:12:27 right
00:12:28 yeah so though so that was them
00:12:30 attacking me
00:12:32 not what i was bringing up from the book
00:12:34 of mormon
00:12:35 right that was a real singer yeah
00:12:38 anyways okay so i don’t know which one
00:12:40 of these you want to look at but here’s
00:12:42 like
00:12:43 everywhere in the scriptures
00:12:46 other than the dnc sections that i
00:12:48 exclude um but
00:12:50 i showed you those the other day
00:12:52 yeah um
00:12:54 after
00:12:56 when i heard
00:12:57 and i’d read many things out of them
00:12:58 what you’ve written in the books moses
00:13:00 said i might more fully try to believe
00:13:03 sorry i was just highlighting the liken
00:13:06 for you
00:13:07 yep
00:13:10 the lord the redeemer i’d read out of
00:13:12 them that which was written by the
00:13:13 prophet isaiah for i didn’t liken all
00:13:15 scriptures onto us
00:13:17 and this is in the yeah
00:13:20 and it might be for a profit and
00:13:22 learning go into that
00:13:24 therefore i speak out of them here it
00:13:26 could say here you the word of the
00:13:27 prophet you are wrong in the house of
00:13:29 israel and branch
00:13:30 broken off hear you the words of the
00:13:32 prophet which are written into all the
00:13:33 house of the israel and like in the
00:13:35 money yourselves
00:13:37 so yeah that’s
00:13:39 i know so to me
00:13:41 i i know where you’re coming from but
00:13:43 i’m fine with the like in being actual
00:13:45 joel smith because when i look at the
00:13:47 section it’s actually talking about it’s
00:13:49 not talking about the mining and strong
00:13:50 it’s talking about things that joseph
00:13:52 smith actually did
00:13:53 yeah that’s true
00:13:55 and so i
00:13:57 i don’t think that route that you’re
00:13:59 taking is necessary because and actually
00:14:01 i think it’s wrong to be honest
00:14:05 because it’s saying this is joseph smith
00:14:07 and when i read what what those verses
00:14:10 are that it’s actually referring to
00:14:12 that’s what he did and sometimes still
00:14:14 is doing because of the book of mormon
00:14:17 right
00:14:19 okay
00:14:20 i see no mighty and strong one in that
00:14:23 that’s true
00:14:26 they’re putting stuff in there that’s
00:14:27 not there that’s how they’re turning it
00:14:29 into it
00:14:32 that’s how they’re creating an
00:14:33 abomination
00:14:35 well
00:14:36 because i let’s go read it again just to
00:14:39 make sure
00:14:40 and the lord and the vineyard said unto
00:14:43 one of his servants go and gather
00:14:45 together the residue of my servants
00:14:48 go get the rest of my servants he’s
00:14:50 still doing that with the book of mormon
00:14:51 right
00:14:52 [Music]
00:14:53 and
00:14:54 take all the strength of mind house
00:14:57 those that you’ve gathered
00:14:59 which are my warriors
00:15:02 fighting for him right
00:15:05 my young men
00:15:06 [Music]
00:15:08 that could be going back to the
00:15:10 stripping lawyers which were young
00:15:12 they’re not old they’re they were young
00:15:14 right
00:15:16 yes anyways and they were huh
00:15:19 they either of middle age yeah middle
00:15:22 age so it’s just talking about the
00:15:23 different um age groups
00:15:25 also among all my servants
00:15:28 who
00:15:29 worship him in truth and spirit
00:15:32 which we pull all of us agree on what
00:15:34 that is who are the strength of mind
00:15:37 house
00:15:39 right
00:15:40 and
00:15:41 i i would almost wonder that that refers
00:15:43 to joseph
00:15:44 actually and his lineage because he’s
00:15:47 the strength
00:15:49 um
00:15:49 uh like a rhinoceros or an ox those are
00:15:53 beasts of strength
00:15:55 um when they wake up
00:15:57 most of them are asleep right now right
00:15:59 but anyways say
00:16:01 those only whom i appointed to terry
00:16:04 so
00:16:05 some later right yeah
00:16:10 and go you straightway onto the land of
00:16:13 my vineyard
00:16:14 uh heartland
00:16:16 or where do you think anyways
00:16:19 i would actually say this also refers
00:16:21 back to jacob five but anyways
00:16:24 it does
00:16:25 yes
00:16:26 redeemed my vineyard for it is mine
00:16:29 i have bought it with money
00:16:31 um
00:16:33 heartland’s his
00:16:34 zion right that’s what he focus on
00:16:36 that’s where joseph is primarily going
00:16:38 to be joseph is over the
00:16:41 defense
00:16:44 that’s the ball
00:16:45 that’s the bell that’s over the fence
00:16:47 yeah there so what does that say about
00:16:49 the so what does that say about those of
00:16:51 us that are descendants of judah
00:16:54 oh they’re just
00:16:55 somewhere else and you have a different
00:16:57 plan it’s just um
00:16:59 as in joseph of egypt’s dream
00:17:02 all will be bowing to him and what his
00:17:05 posterity
00:17:06 have done
00:17:09 because
00:17:12 joseph’s the one that’s going to bring
00:17:15 his
00:17:16 prosperity is one that’s going to bring
00:17:18 everybody back
00:17:23 yeah he’s the strength
00:17:25 well yeah i mean
00:17:28 i’ve got the son of judah i’ve got the
00:17:30 son of joseph and i’ve got the son of
00:17:32 levi so
00:17:34 sure um but
00:17:36 it’s pretty crazy it gets
00:17:38 cross-sectional
00:17:40 judah has
00:17:41 well did have the scepter um and and i
00:17:44 think they’ll get it back but um
00:17:47 so they’re they have their
00:17:48 responsibility but the understanding
00:17:52 is in joseph jophis joseph is the one
00:17:55 that understood really understood
00:18:00 yeah
00:18:01 um and that’s where the strength is
00:18:05 yeah
00:18:06 no
00:18:06 [Music]
00:18:08 uh therefore uh unless i skip some oh uh
00:18:11 land in my vineyard redeem my vin
00:18:12 vinyard for it is mine and i have bought
00:18:16 it with money
00:18:17 joseph smith
00:18:19 organized the people to go buy it
00:18:21 yup
00:18:24 he did that
00:18:25 therefore get you straightway into my
00:18:27 land you did that right
00:18:30 break down the walls of my enemies
00:18:32 joseph smith did that
00:18:35 book of mormon and other things he did
00:18:36 he made the life of
00:18:39 god’s enemies harder
00:18:41 he broke down their walls
00:18:45 threw down their towers and scattered
00:18:47 their watchmen he did that
00:18:50 in so much that as they gather together
00:18:53 against you
00:18:54 avenge me of mine enemies that by and by
00:18:57 which is you know soon
00:19:00 by and by means soon and soon in the
00:19:02 scriptures is a funny word
00:19:06 it could mean longer than we
00:19:10 i may come
00:19:12 with the residue of mine house and
00:19:15 possess the land
00:19:17 so look with the rest of my house i will
00:19:21 come
00:19:22 and possess the land
00:19:27 but yeah
00:19:29 anyways i i think in that it shows that
00:19:31 joseph did his job and there’s going to
00:19:33 be more done later
00:19:35 yeah
00:19:36 by the residue of insulin the residue
00:19:39 um
00:19:40 and there was another one that i think i
00:19:43 saw that into also up in 55. i’d have to
00:19:46 go find it again but oh
00:19:49 point it to terry for for later
00:19:51 right
00:19:52 so there’s twice there’s some later
00:19:55 yep that he’s not doing but the things
00:19:57 that he did did is preparing
00:20:00 for the later one
00:20:02 yeah
00:20:03 when he’s when he sets his hand a second
00:20:05 time yeah
00:20:07 um
00:20:09 so
00:20:11 um
00:20:12 i
00:20:13 i’ll be honest just doing a straight
00:20:15 read 103 which points to 101
00:20:19 it’s already done
00:20:21 i i’m done
00:20:22 we can go look at 105 that i have in the
00:20:24 notes i i
00:20:26 already did a while
00:20:28 it looks like it looks like yeah it
00:20:29 looks like that’s already done
00:20:32 103 or 105. just 103 to 101 yeah well
00:20:36 103 points to 101. i’m
00:20:38 i have 105 here i don’t remember why
00:20:41 let’s read it and see if my memory uh
00:20:43 there’s a lot of similar
00:20:45 verbage in the first
00:20:50 verses 16 through 18 behold i have
00:20:52 commanded my servant joseph
00:20:54 to say unto the strength of my house if
00:20:56 my warriors my young men in middle age
00:20:58 to gather together for the redemption of
00:21:00 my people and throw down the towers of
00:21:02 mine enemies and scatter their watchmen
00:21:04 but the strength of my house have not
00:21:06 hearkened unto my words
00:21:09 but inasmuch as there are those who have
00:21:11 hearkened unto my words i have prepared
00:21:13 a blessing and an endowment for them
00:21:16 not lds temple endowment but anyways
00:21:19 yeah of course not
00:21:22 the endowment from god will actually
00:21:24 have some kind of power with it
00:21:26 oh you mean there’s some power in the
00:21:28 brigham i
00:21:31 yeah i know and
00:21:33 you mean that’s not actually god on the
00:21:34 other side of that curtain
00:21:37 you know what’s also interesting um
00:21:40 brighamites love cf lewis right
00:21:42 right
00:21:43 the second movie in his chronicle of
00:21:46 narnias
00:21:47 um
00:21:48 stories
00:21:50 whose hand is going through the veil
00:21:54 it’s the queen of heaven which
00:21:56 represents satan
00:21:58 yeah
00:22:01 ah that’s really interesting
00:22:04 it is isn’t it
00:22:05 yes indeed anyways okay uh not to
00:22:08 sidetrack two minutes on that one
00:22:10 morning
00:22:11 yeah
00:22:12 but as much as they’re again 1 27
00:22:15 through 32. now i will soften the hearts
00:22:17 of the people as i did the heart of
00:22:18 pharaoh from time to time until my
00:22:20 servant jones smith jr and my elders
00:22:22 whom i have appointed shall have time to
00:22:24 gather up the strength of my house and
00:22:25 to have sent wise men to fulfill that
00:22:27 which i have commanded concerning the
00:22:29 purchasing of all the lands in jackson
00:22:31 county that can be purchased and in the
00:22:32 adjoining counties right about okay
00:22:35 look
00:22:37 wait a minute didn’t that just say that
00:22:39 he bought the land like i said
00:22:41 already happened with 101
00:22:43 yeah
00:22:44 so i
00:22:45 now it’s not just me saying it it’s
00:22:47 constantly in 105. that’s probably why i
00:22:49 put it there i forgot about it
00:22:52 before it is or it is my will that these
00:22:55 lands should be purchased and after they
00:22:56 are purchased that my saints should
00:22:58 possess them according to the laws of
00:22:59 consecration which i have given
00:23:01 now for these lands of purchase i will
00:23:03 hold the army of the armies of israel
00:23:05 guiltless in taking possession of their
00:23:07 own lands which they have previously
00:23:09 purchased with their monies and of
00:23:10 throwing down the towers of mine enemies
00:23:12 that may be upon them and scattering
00:23:13 their watchmen and avenging me of mine
00:23:15 enemies under the third and fourth
00:23:17 generation of them that hate me
00:23:19 but first let my army become very great
00:23:22 and let’s see just real quick just to
00:23:24 interject a little bit
00:23:26 i i think it’s more than this but part
00:23:28 of what breaking down the watchtowers
00:23:31 according to yahweh is buying that land
00:23:34 yeah right i i’m not just making that up
00:23:37 you just read that and this is from
00:23:38 yahweh
00:23:41 so i want to work i think there’s more
00:23:42 to it but that is part breaking down
00:23:44 their watch towers and what did joseph
00:23:46 smith do again
00:23:48 he bought the land yeah
00:23:52 anyways okay continue i just wanted to
00:23:54 throw that out there no
00:23:56 but first let my army become very great
00:23:58 let it be sanctified before me that it
00:24:00 may become fair as the sun
00:24:02 clear as the moon
00:24:04 that her banners may be terrible unto
00:24:06 all nations
00:24:07 but the kingdoms of this world may be
00:24:09 constrained to acknowledge that the
00:24:11 kingdom of zion is in very deed the
00:24:14 kingdom of our god and his christ
00:24:17 therefore let us become subject under
00:24:19 her laws
00:24:23 so
00:24:24 um
00:24:27 other than going to the whole section
00:24:29 103 or 101
00:24:32 uh
00:24:33 yeah that’s not the mining strong one
00:24:35 joseph smith did do that
00:24:37 now we can talk about some other points
00:24:39 that go along with this if you want but
00:24:42 um
00:24:43 that’s interesting and that’s really
00:24:44 interesting
00:24:46 i i honestly don’t one of the prophecies
00:24:49 what are the prophecies concerning
00:24:53 of the mighty and strong one i know
00:24:54 there’s one in uh 80 i think it’s 85
00:24:59 um
00:25:02 we’d have to go look i don’t have that
00:25:04 one reference but like i said i’m not a
00:25:06 dnc expert so that big i don’t know
00:25:12 what’s the catchphrase one mighty and
00:25:14 strong because i know that isaiah’s
00:25:17 isaiah prophesies
00:25:19 a lot of his prophecies are about christ
00:25:21 but
00:25:22 but there are also prophecies about uh
00:25:25 elias 85. so there’s one that
00:25:29 a supporter supportive of my alma 37
00:25:32 post that i want is
00:25:34 isaiah 52 and it is a chiasm about the
00:25:37 mighty and strong one
00:25:39 yeah
00:25:41 some people claim it’s about christ but
00:25:42 when you read it it’s christ didn’t do
00:25:44 that and he’s not actually it’s the
00:25:47 mighty and strong one that’s going to
00:25:49 bring the nations to his uh
00:25:52 section 85
00:25:53 the second half of section 85 is uh
00:25:56 talks about uh
00:25:59 [Music]
00:26:01 okay let me get it being strong
00:26:13 um you want to read that one matt let me
00:26:15 get it out
00:26:17 actually it’s it’s only 12 verses seems
00:26:19 it’s only 12 verses
00:26:22 i can read it well let’s talk about it
00:26:24 while we’re reading okay
00:26:26 yeah
00:26:28 so
00:26:29 i understand why some people want to
00:26:31 read through a whole thing and then talk
00:26:33 but
00:26:36 these phrases and unless you know what
00:26:38 they mean when you’re reading it you’ll
00:26:40 get the wrong idea that makes sense
00:26:42 right
00:26:43 number one and number one nobody can
00:26:45 apostatize she does not know
00:26:50 okay who apostatizes to turn away from
00:26:53 that
00:26:54 the truth and if you don’t know the
00:26:55 truth you can’t turn away from it so
00:26:57 yeah i would agree with that um that’s
00:26:59 generally not how it’s used but yeah but
00:27:02 a technical definition sure
00:27:04 um yeah so i i know sometimes when i
00:27:08 interrupt it might be considered rude
00:27:10 but i i do it for a reason
00:27:13 no you’re fine
00:27:15 so shall i begin in verse one
00:27:17 uh
00:27:18 i think so but begin where you want matt
00:27:20 but because you’re the the dnc expert
00:27:22 not me
00:27:23 [Music]
00:27:25 sorry i’ll stop calling you that
00:27:27 i’m not really an expert but uh i just
00:27:30 did a i did a catchphrase in the bible
00:27:33 uh or in the uh you know
00:27:35 search
00:27:36 uh yeah sure
00:27:38 so here it is
00:27:40 uh starting in verse one it is the duty
00:27:42 of the lord’s clerk whom he has
00:27:44 appointed
00:27:46 to keep a history and a general church
00:27:48 record of all things that transpire in
00:27:51 zion and of all things and of all those
00:27:54 who consecrate properties
00:27:57 and receive inheritances legally from
00:27:59 the bishop
00:28:02 also their manner of life their faith
00:28:05 and works
00:28:06 and also of the apostates who apostatize
00:28:09 after receiving their inheritances
00:28:13 it is contrary to the will and
00:28:15 commandment of god that those who so
00:28:17 real quick uh just to go along with what
00:28:19 ben said
00:28:21 apollo states i think it’s those who
00:28:23 leave the church not necessarily the
00:28:25 truth uh because there’s people who join
00:28:27 the church who don’t completely know the
00:28:29 truth because
00:28:30 when we’re born again
00:28:31 [Music]
00:28:33 we don’t know everything
00:28:35 we’re we we started on the path we are
00:28:38 now on the path right i think it’s uh
00:28:40 the wording of ii phi 32 you are now on
00:28:43 the path that doesn’t mean you’ve gone
00:28:44 down the path and learned it yet it
00:28:46 means you’ve started it
00:28:49 okay anyways sorry about that oh you’re
00:28:51 good you’re good
00:28:53 it is contrary to the will and
00:28:55 commandment of god those who receive not
00:28:57 their inheritance by consecration
00:28:58 agreeable to his law
00:29:00 which he has given that he may tie these
00:29:03 people to prepare them i’m going to
00:29:05 interject again right now so you’re good
00:29:08 you’re good
00:29:10 consecration is tithing now
00:29:13 the
00:29:16 so when you give something to god no
00:29:18 matter what it is right whether it’s
00:29:21 tithing
00:29:22 or an offering
00:29:24 or
00:29:25 well i guess those are the two options
00:29:26 or sacrifice or or whatever right
00:29:30 you consecrated it
00:29:34 now in most cases in the dnc
00:29:37 when it’s talking about consecration
00:29:41 uh it’s talking about tithing in fact if
00:29:44 you look at this verse three
00:29:46 consecration agreeable to his law which
00:29:50 he has given that he made tithe oh it
00:29:53 just tied consecration and tithing
00:29:55 together right there
00:29:59 yeah
00:30:00 and i mean
00:30:02 i
00:30:03 dean c 119
00:30:05 tithing is a standing law forever
00:30:07 standing means it doesn’t change and
00:30:09 forever i if you need a definition for
00:30:12 that you need to
00:30:13 um
00:30:14 you have greater problems and yeah sorry
00:30:17 i don’t know what to tell you
00:30:20 really there’s nothing you can tell
00:30:23 i mean i can actually give you one right
00:30:25 if you if you but you two don’t need it
00:30:26 but for other people um
00:30:29 go to 1820
00:30:32 webster’s dictionary and go look it up
00:30:34 but it i mean
00:30:43 a lot of brigham lights have this idea
00:30:44 of consecration as giving up everything
00:30:47 and that is not the case and i can even
00:30:49 show it from the book of mormon too but
00:30:50 right here in this verse that we’re
00:30:52 looking at and i’m just
00:30:56 it ties consecration with tithing right
00:30:59 there unless you guys think i’m i’m now
00:31:02 making that up but
00:31:04 i’ve always had a firm personal belief
00:31:06 that tithing was a part of the law of
00:31:09 consecration
00:31:11 it is the consecrate and in the way that
00:31:13 it’s talked about in the dnc that is
00:31:14 consecration period yeah well
00:31:18 consecration has a better
00:31:20 bigger context so actually i i don’t
00:31:22 like how they use that word in the dnc
00:31:25 or i i
00:31:26 that sounds bad because it’s god that’s
00:31:28 speaking in the dnc so but
00:31:30 in when you take it to torah
00:31:33 consecration just means you’re you’ve
00:31:35 given this to god
00:31:36 yeah yeah that’s why
00:31:38 but that’s
00:31:40 in another sense that’s what tithing is
00:31:42 you just gave it to god
00:31:44 right so i mean it’s it’s it’s legit but
00:31:47 i guess more my problem is is not the
00:31:50 wording god used is how people perverted
00:31:52 is probably really what the problem is
00:31:55 yeah that he may tie these people to
00:31:57 prepare them against the day of
00:31:59 vengeance
00:32:00 show their name but should they should
00:32:03 have their names enrolled with the
00:32:04 people of god
00:32:06 neither is their genealogy to be kept or
00:32:09 to be had where it may be found on any
00:32:11 of the records or history of the church
00:32:14 no
00:32:17 neither is there genealogy to be kept
00:32:23 yeah you’re talking cut off
00:32:26 no but
00:32:27 what is the church known for
00:32:29 genealogy
00:32:31 genealogy sorry pardon my friend
00:32:34 well no
00:32:35 one edit that recording now
00:32:37 no that’s fine i’ll say it yeah
00:32:39
00:32:41 if they i mean i like i told you i’m not
00:32:43 a dnc expert i haven’t read this for a
00:32:45 long time but just you just reading that
00:32:47 generally
00:32:49 neither is their genealogy to be kept
00:32:52 or to be had wherever yeah but at the
00:32:55 same time we let’s not fall into the
00:32:57 trap of isolating scripture because this
00:32:59 is actually referring to those people
00:33:01 who have apostatized
00:33:05 uh that’s a good point okay but yeah
00:33:07 stop
00:33:08 let’s see
00:33:10 that’s a very good point but still what
00:33:12 does the church do
00:33:13 yeah you keep it for everyone in the
00:33:15 whole world
00:33:16 that’s true which
00:33:18 includes
00:33:20 those who have apostatized
00:33:22 the church has apostatized from the lord
00:33:25 and they are
00:33:27 basically very much a violation of dnc
00:33:29 85. their name
00:33:32 yeah
00:33:33 their names
00:33:35 so even with the additional context that
00:33:38 ben reminded us of right because i
00:33:40 actually kind of forgot that because i
00:33:41 probably just saw that in like
00:33:43 right and i forgot about the rest
00:33:45 but even with that additional context
00:33:47 they’re still shouldn’t be doing it
00:33:48 because they’re doing it the whole world
00:33:50 and the majority of the whole world has
00:33:52 apostatized
00:33:54 yeah and not only that but the church is
00:33:55 apostates but yes there’s that too
00:33:58 so the church shouldn’t be keeping any
00:33:59 ideologies period but on that point if
00:34:03 someone doesn’t think that’s true
00:34:04 i i don’t believe dnc 124 but if you do
00:34:07 believe dnc 124
00:34:09 um
00:34:11 why did they go west west because if
00:34:14 they built the temple they would have
00:34:15 had god’s power to protect them but they
00:34:17 went west
00:34:20 yep and they never finished the temple
00:34:23 yeah and bringing a mountain even stated
00:34:24 the first temple was made it uh was
00:34:26 finished in utah
00:34:28 yep
00:34:29 yeah but i mean he he says back and
00:34:31 forth and so do his cohorts because they
00:34:33 got to get around 124 right yeah
00:34:36 sometimes he’ll say it was finished but
00:34:37 then why did they leave because they
00:34:39 would have had the power to god to
00:34:40 protect them
00:34:41 right right
00:34:43 if you believe 124 which i actually
00:34:45 don’t but anyways so okay well there’s
00:34:48 there’s things in 124 that are
00:34:49 problematic
00:34:51 yes there are there are um so
00:34:54 i
00:34:55 i there is a chance that um there is
00:34:58 some of 124 that’s actually true i just
00:35:02 i see the problematic ones and i just
00:35:05 don’t deal with it because i just you
00:35:07 just
00:35:07 you throw out the whole thing because
00:35:09 yeah
00:35:11 and i could be incorrect on that and i
00:35:14 probably might just very well be but
00:35:16 with everything else that i need to work
00:35:18 on
00:35:20 yeah there’s a you have bigger
00:35:22 priorities
00:35:23 there’s and there’s plenty of people who
00:35:25 are there’s plenty of people to pound
00:35:27 the pulpit on 124
00:35:29 well i mean it’s interesting in 124 one
00:35:31 thing i actually do agree with
00:35:33 um is that the god yahweh said i want
00:35:37 this person in this position in the
00:35:39 church but you guys still vote on it
00:35:41 because you guys the common consent
00:35:43 still has to agree to it
00:35:45 yeah
00:35:46 what shows
00:35:47 even
00:35:49 that goes against
00:35:50 the supposed letter of
00:35:53 straganai or joseph smith iii of joseph
00:35:56 smith appointing them
00:35:58 to be the head by common consent
00:36:02 yeah
00:36:02 if god can’t even put him in
00:36:06 how could joseph smith
00:36:08 right
00:36:09 anyways
00:36:10 uh
00:36:13 their names shall not be found neither
00:36:15 the names of the fathers nor the names
00:36:17 of the children written in the book of
00:36:19 the law of gods with the lord of hosts
00:36:22 oh boy yea thus saith the still small
00:36:25 voice which whispers through and pierces
00:36:28 all things and oftentimes it makes
00:36:31 it maketh my bones to quake well it
00:36:33 maketh manifest sane okay stop stop so
00:36:37 interesting um
00:36:40 the holy ghost pierces us
00:36:43 [Music]
00:36:45 the word the law pierces us wait a
00:36:47 minute the same imagery used on two
00:36:49 different things or one thing with
00:36:51 different titles
00:36:55 one thing with different titles
00:36:57 um yeah well
00:37:00 that uh
00:37:02 doc
00:37:02 second nephi chapter 31 the fact that it
00:37:05 never 31 and 32 the fact that they never
00:37:08 refer to the holy ghost as any kind of a
00:37:10 personage is one of the
00:37:12 biggest
00:37:13 one of the biggest one of the best tools
00:37:16 that i’ve found for waking up people up
00:37:18 to the idea that well maybe it is
00:37:21 the mind and will of god
00:37:24 and then on top of that to help you even
00:37:26 more there’s a chiasm there because in
00:37:28 in the chiasm at the same points
00:37:32 one is uh
00:37:34 the holy ghost is speaking to you and
00:37:36 the other one is the word of god is
00:37:38 speaking to you
00:37:39 and being the same level of the chiaism
00:37:42 makes them exactly the same and in
00:37:44 addition if they are not the same which
00:37:46 one is it is it the holy ghost or the
00:37:47 word of god
00:37:49 you have a contradiction if they’re not
00:37:50 the same
00:37:51 exactly right
00:37:52 but they are the same
00:37:55 but anyways um
00:37:57 another thing it’s interesting
00:37:59 uh so the law
00:38:03 affects the bones because the bones have
00:38:05 to do with the law
00:38:07 just like christ had no broken bones but
00:38:10 because he broke no law
00:38:12 did this bone just something that’s i’ve
00:38:15 been keying into more and more lately
00:38:17 but anyways it’s very symbolic of
00:38:20 the long limits
00:38:22 quake
00:38:24 and the wicked look the bible the tanakh
00:38:27 and the book of mormon the wicked have
00:38:30 dry bones because they don’t have the
00:38:32 oil and the oil is the law
00:38:35 yes
00:38:37 anyways
00:38:38 verse 7
00:38:39 and it shall come to pass that i the
00:38:42 lord god will send one mighty and strong
00:38:45 holding the scepter of power in his hand
00:38:47 clothed with light for a covering
00:38:50 whose mouth shall utter words eternal
00:38:53 words while his vowel shall be a
00:38:55 fountain of truth to set in order the
00:38:59 house of god and to arrange by lot
00:39:02 inheritances
00:39:03 of the saints whose names are found and
00:39:06 the names of their fathers and of their
00:39:08 children enrolled in the book of the law
00:39:11 of god
00:39:12 okay so we should probably talk about
00:39:13 this one um this is there’s a lot the
00:39:16 inheritance is we’re talking and
00:39:19 now we’re throwing it back to and now
00:39:21 we’re throwing it back to moses and
00:39:23 deuteronomy as he’s handing out the
00:39:24 inheritances to the tribes
00:39:27 [Laughter]
00:39:29 well first of all i think one thing that
00:39:32 if
00:39:33 any restoration church needs to point uh
00:39:36 think about
00:39:37 he’s gonna set things in order
00:39:39 if things are not in order they’re in
00:39:41 chaos and of chaos it’s apostasy
00:39:44 right
00:39:46 so i hear here i mean
00:39:49 i i like 35 16 10 but here’s another
00:39:52 really
00:39:53 to the point
00:39:55 one on that right
00:39:57 yeah there’s a modern day apostasy
00:39:59 because most restoration churches teach
00:40:01 just that there isn’t going to be a
00:40:03 modern day
00:40:04 apostasy and that they i mean the
00:40:06 restoration is not the only one to say
00:40:08 this but i mean it’s more our background
00:40:11 but pretty much all restoration churches
00:40:13 say we’re the only one that has the
00:40:15 authority
00:40:16 we’re the only one who has the truth
00:40:18 yeah now it’s interesting you know what
00:40:20 book of mormon teaches against that
00:40:25 had authority from god
00:40:27 their church up in zerahema at the same
00:40:30 time
00:40:30 uh alma
00:40:33 the elder got authority from god to
00:40:35 start a church two different church
00:40:37 independently of each other got
00:40:38 authority from god
00:40:40 yeah
00:40:41 now
00:40:42 another interesting point is when they
00:40:44 found each other they joined together
00:40:46 rather than making a council of churches
00:40:49 i’m making fun of the restoration right
00:40:50 now instead of making a council of
00:40:52 churches they actually came together as
00:40:53 one
00:40:55 yeah
00:40:56 now also where did abinadi get his
00:40:58 authority
00:41:00 because he he he wasn’t part of um
00:41:03 any wrestler noah
00:41:06 which they didn’t have it but anyways he
00:41:08 came out of nowhere so even that example
00:41:10 could show that possibly three right
00:41:12 but we don’t really know where uh
00:41:14 benedict came from we don’t get those
00:41:16 details
00:41:17 but
00:41:18 um which would make me think he kind of
00:41:20 came out of nowhere which shows a third
00:41:24 but i also think it’s really awesome the
00:41:27 close of verse 7 enrolled in the book of
00:41:30 the law of god
00:41:32 aka he writes the law in the fleshy
00:41:35 tablets of your heart but also
00:41:38 enrolled in the book of the law
00:41:40 the enrolled in the book of the law of
00:41:42 god is
00:41:44 this is a direct reference
00:41:47 to having your name enrolled among the
00:41:50 people of israel the people um the
00:41:53 people of the torah yeah sure and the
00:41:56 book of mormon states that uh when the
00:41:58 gentiles
00:42:00 are
00:42:00 born again you know joined his ways they
00:42:03 are adopted into israel
00:42:05 yes yes
00:42:07 and when you’re adopted into a family
00:42:09 you
00:42:09 are you yourself adopt the ways of
00:42:13 that family
00:42:14 yeah um so yeah
00:42:17 yeah so
00:42:18 yeah anybody who’s anti
00:42:21 anybody who’s anti torah is
00:42:23 definitely not interested in actually
00:42:24 being israel
00:42:26 uh yeah because israel is torah i mean
00:42:29 some will say well that’s for the jews
00:42:31 right um which is not the case
00:42:34 but
00:42:35 uh generally what they mean when they
00:42:36 say by the for the jews they generally
00:42:38 mean israelites
00:42:40 and if we’re going to be adopted into
00:42:42 israel uh well that means you need to
00:42:45 adopt torah because that’s their way of
00:42:47 life
00:42:48 and
00:42:49 uh at the the third temple there’s only
00:42:51 12 gates for the 12 tribes there isn’t
00:42:54 one for the gentiles which means if
00:42:56 you’re going in
00:42:57 you’re adopted into one of the tribes
00:43:00 yeah yeah
00:43:03 yep
00:43:05 it’s interesting
00:43:07 which makes it which makes it seem
00:43:10 like
00:43:11 at the great and dreadful day of the
00:43:13 lord if you’re not adopted into the
00:43:15 house of israel you will be destroyed
00:43:18 yeah
00:43:19 you’ll be 100 billion
00:43:21 um
00:43:23 not all so on that uh
00:43:26 35 9 and 10 give some insights onto that
00:43:29 i don’t know if you want to segue into
00:43:30 that just a minute
00:43:34 let me get it just real quick um because
00:43:37 it
00:43:38 in
00:43:38 fact uh
00:43:40 if it was only
00:43:42 children of israel we we wouldn’t have
00:43:44 to be told that if you don’t keep
00:43:45 tabernacles you won’t get rain because
00:43:47 they’ll keep it
00:43:49 it’s others that won’t
00:43:51 right you wouldn’t need that information
00:43:53 if that was the case which
00:43:55 i don’t it’s it’s not in fact i think
00:43:58 the millennium is going to be more like
00:44:00 uh the book of joshua than um we
00:44:03 probably generally people think of
00:44:06 yeah in fact uh uh jesus when he came
00:44:10 down to the nephites even shows this
00:44:11 some too
00:44:13 because if everybody was believers
00:44:16 why did there need to be apostles to go
00:44:18 out and teach the people
00:44:20 that’s true and
00:44:23 if you ask me
00:44:25 30 by 11 is a type of the second coming
00:44:29 um so
00:44:31 anyways all right so
00:44:33 probably the
00:44:34 more important one on this
00:44:37 is
00:44:39 35 10 12 okay
00:44:42 because the other one only has the first
00:44:44 part which we can go look at if you want
00:44:45 but this is important one
00:44:47 and it was the more righteous part of
00:44:50 the people who were saved okay more
00:44:52 righteous and it was they this is
00:44:54 defining it which received the prophets
00:44:57 and stole them not
00:44:59 and it was they so this is the other
00:45:02 group which had not shed the blood of
00:45:04 the saints which were spared
00:45:07 so the belief
00:45:09 that’s not a terribly high bar
00:45:11 no
00:45:12 but
00:45:14 so you might not be a believer but you
00:45:16 didn’t go kill
00:45:18 the saints
00:45:20 you left him alone right
00:45:22 yeah you said you do you
00:45:25 and i’ll do me
00:45:26 sure yeah you just
00:45:28 let me live my way you live your way and
00:45:30 i’ll just leave you alone you leave me
00:45:31 alone
00:45:33 so there’s two groups there
00:45:35 yeah
00:45:38 oh so i think that’s going to happen
00:45:40 again but anyways
00:45:41 it’s not it’s really not a it’s not a
00:45:44 super high bar of admission to this to
00:45:46 the time of the second coming but my
00:45:49 only question is if we are truly going
00:45:52 to be
00:45:56 aren’t we going to be in a a much higher
00:46:00 living of sphere at that point like a
00:46:02 terrestrial type existence
00:46:06 depends where you’re living
00:46:08 okay i got you i got you
00:46:10 right so it’s all a matter of where you
00:46:13 are in relation to the city of zion or
00:46:16 jerusalem because there’s the two
00:46:18 right yeah there’s the two there’s the
00:46:20 two jerusalem the new jerusalem the
00:46:21 jerusalem i got you no
00:46:23 um uh verse 8
00:46:25 shall we be one of those i don’t think
00:46:27 we’re done with seven are we oh
00:46:29 uh yeah we did oh are we done unpacking
00:46:32 seven i’m sorry uh i don’t know scepter
00:46:34 power i mean that’s a
00:46:36 that goes back down to moses and it also
00:46:39 um goes back to seconding five
00:46:42 three
00:46:43 also um i i know there’s a gst genesis
00:46:46 on it but i’m not real familiar with
00:46:48 that one but i’m sure it’s probably in
00:46:49 there also right you just see genesis
00:46:51 50.
00:46:52 yeah i i just i’m not familiar with that
00:46:55 one and i’m sure
00:46:56 there’s overlap between that one and um
00:47:00 second nephite three i’m there there is
00:47:03 some overlap but uh jst genesis 50
00:47:07 has
00:47:09 brings out some things second nephi
00:47:10 chapter three brings out somewhat
00:47:12 slightly different things so so i should
00:47:15 probably go study that one it’s just
00:47:17 like i i like i’ve
00:47:19 i’ve admitted multiple times i focus on
00:47:21 the book of mormon yeah
00:47:23 clothed with a light for recovery that’s
00:47:27 light is torah torah
00:47:30 yeah
00:47:31 yeah whose mouth shall utter words
00:47:35 and you could even put in gay eternal
00:47:38 words or something like that for sure um
00:47:42 and second nephi three kind of bring has
00:47:44 that in it also
00:47:46 yeah
00:47:46 [Music]
00:47:48 eternal words well his bowels shall be a
00:47:50 fountain of truth um
00:47:55 so
00:47:56 you know christ had his bowels full of
00:47:58 mercy
00:47:59 which allows the atonement so i would
00:48:02 think that would be
00:48:03 talking about how he’s going to be
00:48:05 teaching mercy
00:48:07 well
00:48:09 mercy is a soft virtue truth is a hard
00:48:12 virtue there is a
00:48:14 line between truth and lies
00:48:17 it is so this so in the and so he is
00:48:20 going to be
00:48:21 a fountain of truth is not necessarily
00:48:26 that’s not necessarily about mercy i
00:48:28 don’t think
00:48:30 i i’m not sure
00:48:31 is what i’m saying i’m just saying the
00:48:33 the first thing i think that goes with
00:48:35 vows is how christ’s spouse were full
00:48:37 with mercy which allowed him to do the
00:48:39 atonement
00:48:40 um
00:48:41 yeah and but this is about this is about
00:48:44 elias when you think about john the
00:48:46 baptist his bowels were a fountain of
00:48:48 truth
00:48:50 does it say that about spoke truth
00:48:52 he spoke truth
00:48:55 okay so let’s actually let’s do
00:48:57 something
00:48:58 let’s go back to my search program
00:49:01 because i i i i honestly don’t know what
00:49:04 to do with the battles one okay
00:49:06 i’m just being completely honest
00:49:09 um so
00:49:10 i actually want to dig into it and then
00:49:15 and actually looking at this though if
00:49:17 you think about it so whose mouth shall
00:49:19 utter words eternal words there’s a
00:49:22 a semicolon there which means you’re
00:49:24 tying the next idea potentially into
00:49:27 this
00:49:28 while his bowels shall be full of truth
00:49:31 to set in order the house of god
00:49:34 well that would be teaching torah as
00:49:37 jacob five tells us he will be doing
00:49:40 just like john
00:49:41 just like john the baptist
00:49:44 yeah yeah calling the making his past
00:49:47 straight and the way to do that is torah
00:49:49 right
00:49:50 you know when you know what the symbols
00:49:51 are they all um fit together don’t they
00:49:55 i’ll be right back i gotta put the boys
00:49:57 stuff away okay
00:49:59 yep
00:50:02 let’s take a look here
00:50:06 let’s see let’s move you over and you
00:50:09 are something funny
00:50:15 [Music]
00:50:22 um
00:50:28 [Music]
00:50:34 [Music]
00:50:36 this was 85 right
00:50:38 yeah so but
00:50:40 i’m not gonna put this in i’m just gonna
00:50:42 put under that
00:50:46 mouse
00:50:48 and
00:50:48 paste this
00:50:51 all right let’s see
00:50:54 i want one on john
00:50:58 first
00:51:01 so i i’m not saying anything with bowels
00:51:04 and john the baptist but i mean
00:51:06 sometimes quick word searches like this
00:51:10 don’t do that right so i understand yeah
00:51:12 you have their weakness because
00:51:15 uh it could be in another verse or it
00:51:17 could just be john talking about it and
00:51:19 he’s not saying his own name which is
00:51:21 funny right of course in book of mormon
00:51:23 they do that i nephi
00:51:26 and sometimes you just have to read and
00:51:28 sometimes you just have to read the
00:51:31 record
00:51:32 and make a call
00:51:34 this search tool has its um weaknesses
00:51:37 for sure it has its strengths it’s a
00:51:39 tool and you you you shouldn’t be using
00:51:42 a hammer for a
00:51:44 for a saw right
00:51:46 yeah or you shouldn’t use a hammer to
00:51:48 pound it you shouldn’t use a hammer on a
00:51:50 screw sure yeah so i it’s a tool and the
00:51:55 tool belt to try to help us do you know
00:51:57 a verse where it talks about
00:51:59 john and bowels just out of curiosity
00:52:01 not really not really but what i’m
00:52:03 talking about
00:52:05 what i’m talking about is a general
00:52:07 reference to the message of john because
00:52:10 his
00:52:13 his message was full of truth
00:52:16 yeah don’t
00:52:18 if you look
00:52:19 you can look at that i i definitely
00:52:21 accept that you know full of truth
00:52:23 that’s for sure my issue is the value if
00:52:26 you actually look at the word at that
00:52:29 page that you have for bowels you’ll get
00:52:31 a pretty good idea of what they’re
00:52:33 talking about in the scriptures when
00:52:35 they talk about that sure no i haven’t
00:52:37 done that so um
00:52:39 so let’s take a look into the new
00:52:42 testament
00:52:44 um yeah john the baptist
00:52:46 i i’m just i’m doing
00:52:50 a bing search on john the baptist’s
00:52:52 bowels just see
00:52:55 that’s another toll on one’s belt go see
00:52:57 what somebody says but don’t just take
00:52:58 their word for it look what they’re
00:53:00 actually saying cruel draw too
00:53:03 he left
00:53:04 in the womb when he
00:53:07 recognized the truth
00:53:10 and that the truth was in mary’s womb
00:53:13 the truth
00:53:15 was jesus and he left within his
00:53:17 mother’s womb yeah the womb is the the
00:53:20 bowels
00:53:22 yeah
00:53:23 so that’s a good point it’s
00:53:28 you the way the lord makes sense
00:53:30 some of these things that people
00:53:32 like
00:53:33 john the baptist bones found i mean
00:53:36 unless you’re into relics and worshiping
00:53:37 them who cares sorry right tell me
00:53:40 about it’s just
00:53:42 how does the bones do with the
00:53:44 vowels is this
00:53:46 search engines have their strengths and
00:53:47 their weaknesses also right anyways yep
00:53:50 definitely
00:53:55 uh but
00:53:59 what was john the baptist diet what did
00:54:01 john the baptist eat
00:54:03 locust
00:54:05 yep
00:54:06 uh and i actually believe the locust was
00:54:08 uh insect i know some people argue it
00:54:11 was uh
00:54:13 a nut of some type but the locus insect
00:54:17 is actually kosher
00:54:19 and it’s also
00:54:21 and it’s also it and also um i’ve
00:54:24 actually eaten one i’ve actually eaten
00:54:26 one and they don’t taste bad
00:54:27 i haven’t done it but if i get starving
00:54:30 all
00:54:31 because the grasshopper is in the same
00:54:33 family and i can’t remember if that
00:54:34 one’s listed or not
00:54:36 for sure but i believe the grasshopper
00:54:39 is kosher too but anyways
00:54:42 uh were others might may go eat the pig
00:54:44 i’ll be the grasshopper
00:54:49 oh you know the thing is
00:54:51 you know the interesting thing about a
00:54:53 lot of those
00:54:54 foods that are not kosher
00:54:58 is that they also carry high high levels
00:55:00 of parasites
00:55:02 yeah and they’re they’re toxic also
00:55:04 there’s scientific studies that shows on
00:55:06 and i have that in some studies of that
00:55:09 in my kosher resource page
00:55:15 scientific studies that shows that
00:55:18 non-kosher foods are dangerous for you
00:55:21 and they’re toxic which means
00:55:24 they will kill you
00:55:25 which is why i put kosher foods under
00:55:28 the law thou shalt not kill because thou
00:55:30 shalt not murder myself slowly from
00:55:32 eating toxic food
00:55:36 anyways
00:55:38 so i i just see kosher laws as an
00:55:41 expounding of thou shalt not murder
00:55:43 it’s helping us understand more of what
00:55:45 god wants us to do with that
00:55:47 the don’s head is going to be located in
00:55:49 four oh four locations around the globe
00:55:51 that’s nice i guess he was a beast
00:55:55 yeah four different heads
00:55:57 okay anyways that was kind of funny um
00:56:01 i doing a google search i didn’t really
00:56:03 fight oh dna on john the baptist that’s
00:56:05 interesting okay
00:56:07 all right well better quotes your boat i
00:56:09 guess
00:56:11 yeah right yeah well you know it’s that
00:56:13 whole thing about finding his bones you
00:56:15 know i
00:56:17 if you’re if you’re a good if you’re a
00:56:19 smooth charlatan you can sell that for a
00:56:21 pretty penny
00:56:22 oh and that’s been going that that uh
00:56:25 fraud has been going around for a long
00:56:26 time
00:56:29 i mean
00:56:31 so i i like martin luther right
00:56:34 he
00:56:35 he did a good thing from where he was
00:56:38 okay
00:56:38 [Music]
00:56:39 i he anyways
00:56:42 but he has his own problems
00:56:45 but his benefactor
00:56:47 uh was into those types of relics right
00:56:55 yeah it’s crazy but anyways okay so this
00:56:58 is battles
00:57:00 the word of the lord
00:57:02 and he shall come forth out of thine own
00:57:04 bowels shall be thine air so there we’re
00:57:07 here we’re talking about
00:57:10 the coins the
00:57:14 the lord said unto her two nations are
00:57:15 in thy womb two matter of people shall
00:57:18 be separated from my bowels
00:57:20 again
00:57:24 that same kind of taste that could be
00:57:26 like truth versus untruth right
00:57:30 because one was for truth and one was
00:57:31 not but anyways
00:57:33 one day if you want to talk about
00:57:35 uh those two
00:57:37 the story of those two has a lot of deep
00:57:39 symbolic meanings to it
00:57:41 you’re talking is that jacob
00:57:44 yeah
00:57:45 there’s a there’s a lot there
00:57:48 it’s amazing but anyways um
00:57:52 that’ll have to be another day
00:57:54 yeah
00:57:55 yeah
00:57:56 now we’re kind of getting down to that
00:57:57 time
00:57:58 uh okay all right well maybe let’s go
00:58:00 back maybe since if you guys are getting
00:58:02 close let’s go back to the verse we we
00:58:05 we can look into bells more later i
00:58:07 guess because we should probably
00:58:09 finish at least that section up right um
00:58:12 yeah but i’ll be honest i’m not sure
00:58:15 what that is
00:58:16 mainly because of the bowels the
00:58:18 fountain of truth i think that’s a piece
00:58:20 of cake but the bells
00:58:22 i
00:58:23 i mean just a couple we looked at can be
00:58:25 uh related to truth so anyways
00:58:29 [Music]
00:58:30 yeah verse eight
00:58:31 while that man who was called of god and
00:58:34 appointed
00:58:35 but putteth forth his hand to study the
00:58:37 ark of god shall fall by the shaft of
00:58:40 death like as a tree that is smitten by
00:58:43 the vivid shaft of lightning
00:58:50 well that’s pretty sick and that’s
00:58:51 pretty straightforward
00:58:55 it seems
00:58:57 i i i’m not sure
00:58:59 but while that man who was called of god
00:59:02 and appointed
00:59:04 and so i would almost think that’s
00:59:06 referring to the mighty and strong one
00:59:08 right it’s tied it’s tied because
00:59:10 there’s a semicolon at the end of uh
00:59:12 seven
00:59:14 you’re right i’m just more going off of
00:59:16 context because god didn’t say semicolon
00:59:18 when he was saying this but so that’s
00:59:22 no that’s true that’s true
00:59:24 in fact the book of mormon punctuation
00:59:26 didn’t wasn’t on the gold plates in fact
00:59:29 joseph smith didn’t put it in it was the
00:59:30 printer who put it in yeah um anyways a
00:59:34 lot of people will complain about that
00:59:35 on the book of mormon too
00:59:37 but that joseph didn’t do that and it
00:59:39 wasn’t
00:59:40 because hebrew didn’t have that they
00:59:42 hebrew uses chiasms and
00:59:45 poetic structures to get that type of
00:59:47 information out there to put a forth
00:59:49 stance steady the ark of god shall fall
00:59:52 by the shape
00:59:53 talking about the one man who was not of
00:59:56 the tribe of levi who tried to study the
00:59:58 ark of the covenant
01:00:00 for sure
01:00:01 going back to that
01:00:04 like as a tree that is smitten by the
01:00:06 vivid shaft of lightning
01:00:09 but yeah
01:00:10 but if god has how does that whose
01:00:13 how does that go in with the mighty
01:00:15 strong one that’s where i’m confused
01:00:18 because i the mining strong one does um
01:00:20 there’s prophecy how now it might
01:00:23 actually be a reference to the
01:00:25 it might actually be a reference to that
01:00:27 isaiah chapter that talks about the
01:00:29 changeover of stewards
01:00:34 yeah that’s something i’ve gotta think
01:00:37 about maybe do some research on because
01:00:39 i i i don’t
01:00:40 i that one just seems out of place other
01:00:43 than it’s referring to other things
01:00:45 other concepts that relates
01:00:49 um
01:00:50 in some way but i
01:00:52 i i don’t know right now to be honest
01:00:56 because other than that it seems out of
01:00:58 place
01:00:59 and so
01:01:01 i in some ways i would wonder if there’s
01:01:02 a chiasm in this chapter or section
01:01:06 maybe that’s relating to something else
01:01:08 actually right that could be another
01:01:10 theory
01:01:11 that’s a possibility too
01:01:15 and all they who are not found written
01:01:17 in the book of remembrance shall find
01:01:19 non-inheritance in that day but they
01:01:22 shall be cut asunder and their portion
01:01:24 portion shall be appointed them among
01:01:27 unbelievers
01:01:28 where are wailing and gnashing of teeth
01:01:30 now there’s only one place that i know
01:01:32 of in scripture that has that kind of
01:01:34 activity happening
01:01:37 uh yeah i think that one’s pretty
01:01:39 straightforward but you know to get your
01:01:42 name written in the book of remembrance
01:01:43 is you keep torah which means you’re
01:01:46 you’re you’re being righteous
01:01:48 um otherwise
01:01:50 you’re an unbeliever because torah
01:01:52 points the the god and god points to
01:01:54 torah
01:01:55 and
01:01:56 the wicked who break the law
01:01:59 are wailing and gnashing
01:02:01 of their teeth which is what they’re
01:02:03 saying those who aren’t in the book of
01:02:05 remembrance will be doing right so that
01:02:07 was pretty straightforward yeah
01:02:09 these things i say not of myself
01:02:12 therefore as the lord speaketh he will
01:02:14 also fulfill
01:02:18 but they who are of the high priesthood
01:02:20 whose names are not found written in the
01:02:22 book of the law or that are found to
01:02:25 have apostatized or to have been cut off
01:02:28 from the church
01:02:29 as well as the lesser priesthood or the
01:02:32 members in that day uh or or the members
01:02:35 in that day shall not find an
01:02:37 inheritance among the saints of the most
01:02:39 high
01:02:41 there and this is actually this can
01:02:43 actually be cross-referenced joseph
01:02:45 smith
01:02:46 translation
01:02:48 um
01:02:48 [Music]
01:02:51 i do believe it is
01:02:56 uh
01:02:56 either math or well it’s either matthew
01:02:58 or luke let me look it up
01:03:01 that could actually be
01:03:07 let me get into that joseph smith
01:03:09 translation app here
01:03:12 okay
01:03:13 this has an awful lot
01:03:15 like the last verse like there’s like
01:03:17 sure real quick and talking about um uh
01:03:21 chiasms
01:03:22 11 has apostasized two has
01:03:25 or where was it
01:03:28 three no no no apostates it’s it’s true
01:03:33 apostasize uh therefore shall be done
01:03:35 unto them unto the children of the
01:03:37 priests as will be found in the record
01:03:40 um
01:03:41 the duty of the lord clerk which is kind
01:03:43 of you know someone the lord appointed
01:03:46 not exactly a priest but you know
01:03:48 someone that god appointed so
01:03:50 i
01:03:51 just roughly i’m starting to see a
01:03:54 chiasmic structure just
01:03:56 yeah
01:03:58 right
01:03:59 yeah i’m starting to see the beginnings
01:04:01 of it yeah
01:04:02 i mean it would take some time to pull
01:04:04 it out fully but
01:04:07 it may help out with verse 8 because i i
01:04:10 still
01:04:11 i
01:04:12 ate is really throwing me for a loop
01:04:20 kaizen would help bring that out more
01:04:25 okay
01:04:27 yeah that
01:04:28 where um
01:04:32 that in that day shall not find an
01:04:33 inheritance among the saints of the most
01:04:34 high verse 11
01:04:36 cross references to jst matthew 21
01:04:42 um
01:04:45 and i’ll just
01:04:47 verses 47 through 56 when the chief
01:04:51 priests and pharisees have heard his
01:04:52 parables they perceived and spake of
01:04:54 them they said among themselves shall
01:04:56 this man think that he alone can spoil
01:04:58 this great kingdom they were angry with
01:05:00 him
01:05:01 but when they sought to lay hands on him
01:05:02 they feared the multitude because they
01:05:04 learned that the multitude took him for
01:05:05 a profit
01:05:07 and now his disciples came to him and
01:05:08 jesus said unto them marvel ye the words
01:05:10 of parable which i spake unto them
01:05:13 verily i say unto you i am the stone and
01:05:15 those wicked ones reject me
01:05:17 i am the head of the corner
01:05:19 these jews shall fall upon me and shall
01:05:21 be broken
01:05:23 kingdom of god shall be taken from them
01:05:25 and shall be given to a nation bringing
01:05:26 forth the fruits thereof meaning the
01:05:28 gentiles wherefore on whomsoever this
01:05:30 stone shall fall it shall grind them to
01:05:32 pot brand into powder
01:05:34 the stone is the lord it is torah
01:05:39 yeah
01:05:40 it’s also in daniel’s vision too
01:05:42 right
01:05:43 yep
01:05:44 and when the lord therefore the vineyard
01:05:46 cometh he will destroy those miserable
01:05:49 wicked men and will let again his
01:05:50 vineyard unto other husbandmen even in
01:05:53 the last days who shall render unto him
01:05:55 the fruits and their seasons this is
01:05:56 also another reference to that
01:05:59 to uh the idea that i was postulated
01:06:02 about eight
01:06:04 the trans and the replacement of the
01:06:06 husbandmen who shall render him the
01:06:08 first in their seasons and then
01:06:09 understood they the parable which he
01:06:11 spake unto them that the gentiles should
01:06:13 be destroyed also when the lord should
01:06:16 descend out of heaven to reign
01:06:18 okay
01:06:19 which is the earth they’re trying to
01:06:21 study the ark incorrectly the gentiles
01:06:24 yep
01:06:25 okay well that’s
01:06:26 well andy if you think about the guy who
01:06:28 tried to study the ark he did it
01:06:31 incorrectly
01:06:32 yeah because he wasn’t supposed to touch
01:06:34 it
01:06:35 that was god’s command
01:06:37 yeah
01:06:38 no man but the house of levi
01:06:41 is to touch the ark of the covenant and
01:06:43 that man touched it and he died and
01:06:46 likewise it is but here’s the
01:06:48 interesting thing
01:06:52 lineage plays a key role in that story
01:06:57 well
01:06:58 yeah uh linda is going to play a key
01:07:01 role in the mining stronghold if you ask
01:07:03 me but yeah anyways oh yeah oh yeah
01:07:07 that’s readily apparent in most of the
01:07:10 literature
01:07:11 about him
01:07:13 yeah
01:07:14 um
01:07:15 i for sure he’s of joseph
01:07:18 i think there’s no doubt on that
01:07:20 yeah
01:07:21 uh
01:07:22 i tend to believe manasseh but i’m not
01:07:25 100 sure on that but i that’s what i
01:07:28 i lean towards
01:07:31 um
01:07:32 but i’m not 100 sure
01:07:34 but anyways
01:07:36 uh i i do tend also to think and i told
01:07:40 you the other day but i’ll put on
01:07:41 recording now um that
01:07:44 if the mighty ones of manessa i do think
01:07:46 his helper will be of ephraim but
01:07:50 i’m not 100 sure on that that’s kind of
01:07:53 possibilities i see in
01:07:56 history
01:07:57 that i see in the book of mormon
01:08:01 was moses descendant of levi
01:08:03 yeah moses was levi
01:08:06 are you sure
01:08:09 his brother aaron it was his literal
01:08:11 brother
01:08:12 his sister miriam
01:08:14 uh is the one that you know took him to
01:08:17 the lake and she’s of levi also
01:08:20 that aaron is literally
01:08:23 uh moses’s brother
01:08:25 no i i get that but isn’t aren’t there
01:08:28 verses in the book of mormon that kind
01:08:30 of dispute that
01:08:32 not that i know of
01:08:33 or is that
01:08:34 that might have been in the sections of
01:08:36 doctrine and covenants no actually what
01:08:39 you’re thinking of is
01:08:42 i think you know well let’s let’s look
01:08:44 at that
01:08:46 because i’m
01:08:48 second nephi chapter three
01:08:50 yeah
01:08:53 let’s go there
01:08:55 oh well it doesn’t
01:08:57 he just says
01:08:59 joseph knows moses is coming he it
01:09:01 doesn’t say that moses is of his
01:09:04 lineage there and that’s that’s what i’m
01:09:07 that’s what i’m going to be looking at
01:09:09 uh i’m going to get my one that i i like
01:09:13 it’s actually i have it in a chiasm
01:09:16 oh cool
01:09:16 [Laughter]
01:09:18 yeah that would be great because for
01:09:20 some reason
01:09:24 here oh yeah it just says moses will
01:09:26 like raise up
01:09:27 yeah well
01:09:28 you shall be great like i’m pretty says
01:09:30 nothing about moses’s lineage
01:09:32 well verse 9
01:09:34 could be it could be looked at that way
01:09:36 though
01:09:37 he shall be great like unto moses whom i
01:09:40 have said i would raise up unto you
01:09:45 to deliver my
01:09:46 people
01:09:48 uh
01:09:50 okay
01:09:50 on yeah i can maybe
01:09:55 that that’s where that’s probably where
01:09:56 the confusion is that’s maybe where they
01:09:58 get it from
01:10:00 i wouldn’t take it that way
01:10:02 yeah
01:10:04 i mean technically if moses is raised up
01:10:07 to deliver the house of israel he’s
01:10:09 going to deliver joseph so yeah because
01:10:12 he delivered all tribes
01:10:22 [Music]
01:10:24 yeah
01:10:25 that’s not very helpful
01:10:33 and this probably will not be helpful
01:10:47 two or into
01:11:01 yeah
01:11:03 ah
01:11:04 i found it verse 11
01:11:09 okay
01:11:10 so verse 10 says and moses will i raise
01:11:13 up to deliver thy people out of the land
01:11:16 of egypt verse 11 begins with that
01:11:19 infamous word
01:11:21 but
01:11:23 but asir will i raise up out of the
01:11:26 fruit of thy loins and unto him will i
01:11:28 give power
01:11:30 to bring forth my word unto the seed of
01:11:32 thy loins and not to the bringing forth
01:11:36 my word only saith the lord but to the
01:11:38 convincing them of my word which shall
01:11:41 have already gone forth among them uh
01:11:44 bible book of mormon
01:11:46 right there
01:11:48 and well actually then it actually kind
01:11:49 of um
01:11:51 specifies it even more
01:11:53 yeah
01:11:55 where has already gone before them i
01:11:57 mean this is not joseph smith but anyway
01:12:00 this is not jesus
01:12:02 no because
01:12:03 yeah
01:12:06 joseph smith is the one who introduced
01:12:07 what already went before it
01:12:09 yeah
01:12:12 joseph smith is the lesser um but
01:12:14 anyways
01:12:15 he’s the shadow he’s the type
01:12:17 yeah
01:12:19 in fact in here i forget with verse uh
01:12:22 it talks about how um
01:12:25 the mighty and strong one will write
01:12:28 joseph smith didn’t write joseph had
01:12:30 scribes joseph smith spoke
01:12:34 he dictated
01:12:35 he where the mighty one will do the
01:12:37 actual writing
01:12:39 i forget what verse i could find it
01:12:41 controlled
01:12:43 the words that he shall write shall be
01:12:45 the words which are expedient by wisdom
01:12:47 should be afraid of
01:12:49 yeah joe smith did not do that
01:12:52 joseph’s pokemon
01:12:54 yeah
01:12:57 yeah
01:13:00 so
01:13:01 12
01:13:03 right that’s i this is where i my other
01:13:05 one that my compound one that i showed
01:13:07 you
01:13:08 that’s where this comes from
01:13:10 um
01:13:12 right and it also it tells us what
01:13:14 contentions are it’s false doctrine
01:13:17 [Music]
01:13:19 um people are grabbing false doctrine
01:13:22 all over the place
01:13:23 yeah
01:13:24 [Music]
01:13:25 we haven’t been founded we haven’t
01:13:27 confounded the false doctrine
01:13:30 um
01:13:32 yeah
01:13:34 i tried to
01:13:35 and i tried i don’t know but you know
01:13:37 what i’m saying i’m saying the one who’s
01:13:39 mighty and strong that’s his that’s part
01:13:42 of his mission yeah
01:13:44 yeah intentions
01:13:46 on he’ll be a genius at it
01:13:49 he’ll be a genius at it
01:13:52 he’ll know the word he’ll probably have
01:13:54 all the scriptures memorized i mean i’m
01:13:56 making that up a little bit i i’m just
01:13:58 bringing it
01:13:59 [Music]
01:14:01 like mad right
01:14:03 yeah
01:14:04 i mean it’ll probably be written on his
01:14:06 body like the last month
01:14:10 [Laughter]
01:14:11 no it wasn’t the last one but you guys
01:14:14 know what movie i’m talking about what
01:14:15 is that yeah yeah
01:14:16 anyways i i just was saying that to be
01:14:18 silly so i’m glad you guys took it as a
01:14:20 joke but
01:14:21 yeah
01:14:22 that’s you know i that’s actually nice
01:14:25 movie but it’s very gnostic
01:14:27 yes you know that
01:14:29 that not that uh
01:14:32 that gnostic flair that makes it uh
01:14:35 taste of corruption
01:14:37 oh yeah uh they’re making good look good
01:14:39 good look evil and evil look good it’s
01:14:41 all over but they did a really good job
01:14:43 at it
01:14:45 [Music]
01:14:46 i mean although i know what they’re
01:14:48 doing
01:14:49 i don’t like it but i can still
01:14:51 acknowledge that they’re very good at it
01:14:54 right yeah all right
01:14:58 okay so
01:15:00 my question is if the mighty and strong
01:15:02 one is supposed to show up in the latter
01:15:04 days
01:15:05 according to verse 12.
01:15:08 well
01:15:10 latter days and last days are often
01:15:12 interchangeable
01:15:14 yeah so i
01:15:15 [Music]
01:15:18 there’s i
01:15:21 when is the latter days start that
01:15:23 that’s a big debate right and i don’t
01:15:26 have a good answer for that
01:15:27 yeah
01:15:29 i do think it’s the last part of the
01:15:32 days of the gentiles or the times of the
01:15:34 gentiles but what is that uh
01:15:36 yeah could look defining well
01:15:39 i i don’t know how much
01:15:43 yeah i don’t know how much farther
01:15:44 before everybody before before the whole
01:15:47 world falls into captivity to the beast
01:15:49 well
01:15:50 i believe the mighty ones coming soon um
01:15:56 when i don’t know
01:15:57 because
01:15:58 um also if
01:16:01 do you know what the creation prophecy
01:16:03 is
01:16:06 the the seven days of the seven days
01:16:08 seven days of creation are the seven
01:16:11 days
01:16:12 of the or the seven thousand years of
01:16:13 the earth’s existence yeah and there is
01:16:16 prophecy
01:16:17 and
01:16:18 judgment happens a little after the
01:16:20 seventh millennium it’s not before it’s
01:16:23 a little after and even the creation
01:16:24 prophecy shows that and even other
01:16:28 histories in the bible uh shows that
01:16:31 also it this is one of these tricky
01:16:33 things a lot of people don’t understand
01:16:35 and so
01:16:36 um i do
01:16:38 tend to believe the sixth millennium
01:16:40 ends around 2030 give or take okay
01:16:45 for one yeshua was with them to the end
01:16:48 of the age the millennium
01:16:51 and if the millennium is about a
01:16:52 thousand years they just do the math
01:16:55 2030. it’s
01:16:57 i think it’s pretty simple also another
01:16:59 interesting little tidbit
01:17:01 book of mormon was given when 1830
01:17:05 200 2 has to do with the testing time
01:17:08 200 years testing
01:17:11 goes to 20 30. um so
01:17:14 i mean i don’t know for sure but it sure
01:17:18 seems like it to me
01:17:20 um
01:17:21 yeah also
01:17:23 um
01:17:24 noah’s timing is interesting too it’s
01:17:26 around that time you can’t get it
01:17:28 perfectly because they don’t give it
01:17:30 enough uh
01:17:32 dates to tell us when actually when um
01:17:36 11 starts but it’s in in that general
01:17:40 kind of range but anyways
01:17:42 yeah another interesting
01:17:45 coincidence
01:17:47 because the lord does say
01:17:50 that his coming shall be as in the days
01:17:53 of noah
01:17:55 yeah like the same things happening
01:17:57 during noah’s day will be happening
01:17:59 let’s take a look
01:18:00 at how much time
01:18:05 noah was given
01:18:08 in moses seven
01:18:10 is it
01:18:14 when he was 600 and
01:18:17 was it given a hundred years
01:18:20 to preach
01:18:23 going to moses yeah it’s not uh it’s not
01:18:26 uh seven it’s chapter eight yeah
01:18:29 um
01:18:31 so
01:18:32 you know noah any confession
01:18:39 and when men began to multiply on the
01:18:40 face of the earth and daughters were
01:18:41 born out of them sons of men sought
01:18:43 their fair and they put them wives
01:18:46 595 years is when
01:18:49 and the lord
01:18:51 well so the 590 has to do with his
01:18:54 lifespan because he got on the boat in
01:18:56 his 600. he was islamic islamic and the
01:18:59 lord said unto noah my spirit shall not
01:19:01 always strive with man for he shall know
01:19:04 that all flesh shall die for you shall
01:19:06 know that all flesh shall die
01:19:08 yet his days shall be on 120 years and
01:19:11 if men do not repent i will send them a
01:19:13 flood water the floods upon them
01:19:17 it’s actually 120 years
01:19:19 wow so i think that relates to something
01:19:22 else than what yeah
01:19:24 i think you’re right for a couple things
01:19:27 moses lived 120.
01:19:29 uh also if you take 120 uh jubilees
01:19:33 that’s 6 000 years that’s how long man
01:19:35 has to
01:19:37 be get the spirit so i i don’t think
01:19:40 that is referring to how long before
01:19:44 uh he got in the boat that he was
01:19:46 preaching
01:19:47 yeah
01:19:49 but i could be wrong but i i don’t think
01:19:51 that’s what that’s referring to
01:19:52 well all right i don’t necessarily think
01:19:54 that it’s referring necessarily as a
01:19:58 you know time for time
01:20:01 thing for the end of
01:20:02 time well i find it interesting uh since
01:20:06 with noah noah got on the boat 600 years
01:20:09 of his life nephi
01:20:11 uh and
01:20:12 and lehi started 600 years before the
01:20:15 coming of christ it’s you know there is
01:20:18 people
01:20:20 uh
01:20:21 and in six six thousand years is how
01:20:24 long men has to you know make the choice
01:20:26 to
01:20:27 choose god or not
01:20:28 uh you know choose life or choose death
01:20:32 other than
01:20:33 you know there’s the eighth day
01:20:36 there’s time after the millennium it’ll
01:20:38 be short day but there is an eighth day
01:20:42 yeah
01:20:43 um but anyways
01:20:45 um
01:20:47 which uh i think also something
01:20:49 references
01:20:50 to the eighth day of tabernacles which
01:20:52 it kind of isn’t kind of isn’t but i
01:20:54 think it refers to that
01:20:56 yeah maybe it you know just being silly
01:20:59 kind of
01:21:00 maybe on that eighth day they can have
01:21:02 their sunday sabbath
01:21:05 well they will
01:21:09 no i
01:21:10 i mean i’m not kidding but kind of
01:21:12 serious it’s primarily going to be
01:21:13 satan’s followers at that time so yeah
01:21:16 they will
01:21:18 yeah
01:21:21 because
01:21:23 sunday refers to the ancient dark sun
01:21:25 which is saturn
01:21:28 which is the black cube
01:21:31 yeah
01:21:33 so
01:21:34 i mean when you know they said anyways
01:21:36 i’ll just stop it there um
01:21:39 but
01:21:40 yeah sun worship is saturn worship
01:21:45 yeah
01:21:47 and and it’s
01:21:48 celebrating
01:21:50 uh satan um well technically the lord
01:21:54 also gives us a time frame for how long
01:21:57 the wicked are to be
01:21:58 you know punished before he tries to do
01:22:01 another restoration
01:22:03 or you know another you know bringing
01:22:05 forth of the truth
01:22:08 generation
01:22:09 the next stage of it because
01:22:12 joseph smith was never meant to restore
01:22:14 it all but no
01:22:16 yeah with the third and fourth creation
01:22:19 the third or fourth generation has
01:22:20 passed yeah
01:22:22 yeah and
01:22:24 question is what is the generation but i
01:22:26 i tend to agree with you
01:22:27 it’s right about now
01:22:30 um
01:22:31 exactly i don’t know but it’s it’s close
01:22:36 yeah
01:22:37 but soon that’s a fickle word
01:22:39 i know
01:22:42 it’s never as soon as you want it to be
01:22:44 yeah um anyways
01:22:47 so if you guys need to go we could talk
01:22:50 about more mighty and strong stuff next
01:22:51 time because i i have some theories that
01:22:54 i plan to put in a post of mine but i i
01:22:56 don’t know when that’s going to get done
01:22:57 and i’m happy to share some things with
01:22:59 you
01:23:00 yeah sure
01:23:01 but that’ll be that’s a that’s for
01:23:03 another i think that’s for another day
01:23:05 yeah because i think it’s uh to the
01:23:06 point where you guys said you need to go
01:23:08 in fact we might have pushed it a little
01:23:09 further but yeah
01:23:12 yeah i need to
01:23:13 but i give you a link to my
01:23:15 if you want to look at it later i i do
01:23:17 think chiasms kind of help um oh yeah
01:23:20 yeah go ahead and attach that to the uh
01:23:23 i think i did put it out yeah i did and
01:23:26 it’s in the chat already um okay and i’m
01:23:29 about to save the chat
01:23:32 sure i put the chats in the description
01:23:35 on youtube though for yeah people who
01:23:37 look later
01:23:39 um yeah i tend to
01:23:41 i tend to like to save them
01:23:43 that way i have them on my own computer
01:23:45 and i’m sure so
01:23:56 my first commentary on one of the
01:23:58 gnostic videos which was a snow white
01:24:01 version
01:24:02 i tried so many times to put that on
01:24:04 youtube it just wouldn’t let me uh
01:24:07 but then i found out i could put it on
01:24:09 vmo so i put it there
01:24:10 [Laughter]
01:24:12 so i’m sure it gets a lot less looks
01:24:14 because it’s there
01:24:16 instead of youtube but youtube won’t let
01:24:18 me put it up
01:24:24 i but i i blurbed the video so that way
01:24:28 to get rid of the copyright issues but i
01:24:30 mean the sound i can’t
01:24:31 i don’t know how to blur the sound
01:24:32 especially after the fact to only blur
01:24:35 the movies sound and not my sound when
01:24:37 it’s mixed together right
01:24:40 um
01:24:42 it gets it gets kind of it gets kind of
01:24:44 interesting
01:24:47 yeah and i youtube i think tries too
01:24:50 hard about that because
01:24:52 no one’s going to watch my commentary
01:24:54 just to watch the video for one i’m
01:24:56 speaking and if they want to watch the
01:24:57 movie
01:24:58 they’re not going to watch it right
01:25:01 like because i interrupt it like every
01:25:03 scene
01:25:03 [Laughter]
01:25:06 they’re not doing it for enjoyment and
01:25:08 and i blur the video just to help get
01:25:11 around the copyright issue because
01:25:13 because it’s you can tell what it is
01:25:16 but it it’s fuzzy
01:25:20 yeah you got it as a background but
01:25:22 anyway yeah uh let’s go ahead and send
01:25:24 that to us my man i appreciate you once
01:25:27 again sharing your sabbath with with us
01:25:30 a new moon
01:25:32 new moon
01:25:33 sorry which is a sabbath but i mean most
01:25:36 people when they say sabbath they mean
01:25:37 weeklies
01:25:38 thank you for the correction so the new
01:25:40 moon thank you for sharing this new moon
01:25:42 with us
01:25:43 um and uh
01:25:46 we i hope to see you again on the on the
01:25:49 on the next sabbath i guess yeah that
01:25:52 would be lunar sabbath it’s saturday
01:25:53 night if you can make it yeah
01:25:57 i’m always off on saturdays yep and so
01:26:00 the
01:26:01 and the and the set and the sabbath day
01:26:03 is the day before
01:26:06 the um
01:26:08 the lunar event right
01:26:11 okay so
01:26:12 uh
01:26:13 first there’s new moon and then seven
01:26:15 days later is the sabbath and the new
01:26:19 moon happens the sun set after the dark
01:26:22 conjunction
01:26:24 yep
01:26:25 okay
01:26:27 that’s fine one of these days if you
01:26:29 want we can go over many details on that
01:26:31 um yeah
01:26:32 that that that sounds like that sounds
01:26:35 like something i need to
01:26:36 look into because just because
01:26:41 you can’t really say that you’ve really
01:26:43 studied something out in your mind if
01:26:45 you don’t
01:26:46 know all the particulars of it
01:26:49 sure um i
01:26:50 so
01:26:51 the youtube playlist i’ll put in the
01:26:54 chat again for it is going to be your
01:26:56 best resource and you can listen to that
01:26:58 while doing other things
01:27:00 there are articles too that i can give
01:27:02 you but i
01:27:04 uh
01:27:06 anyways this is generally what i give
01:27:08 people because a lot of especially
01:27:09 nowadays most people just want to listen
01:27:11 right i’m sure you two read so i could
01:27:14 give you articles too
01:27:16 um i i have i link to some articles
01:27:20 um
01:27:21 on this resource page i need to update
01:27:23 it to add more but it’s a very good
01:27:25 start okay
01:27:26 okay
01:27:28 and
01:27:28 the
01:27:33 this site
01:27:36 uh
01:27:37 has some good articles
01:27:39 in fact he’s
01:27:41 the author of that website is actually
01:27:43 one of the people one of his the second
01:27:46 video
01:27:47 one two and three in my lunar sabbath uh
01:27:51 playlist is actually
01:27:53 our videos that helped converted me to
01:27:55 it
01:27:56 um
01:27:57 so
01:27:58 uh he was somewhat
01:28:00 instrumental into me believing it
01:28:03 uh i believe some details different than
01:28:06 he does
01:28:07 um
01:28:08 because he thinks the year starts with
01:28:10 wheat
01:28:12 um or i mean barley sorry he starts with
01:28:14 barley i believe it starts with the
01:28:16 equinox
01:28:18 there’s problems with barley i can get
01:28:20 into but um if you guys are getting late
01:28:22 you can look at my new year resource
01:28:25 page and i talk about
01:28:26 some of the problems with barley right
01:28:28 there
01:28:29 so that way i don’t keep you too much
01:28:31 longer and if you’re really interested
01:28:33 in go look but i’m happy to answer the
01:28:34 question i’m just trying to keep it
01:28:36 brief
01:28:37 yeah
01:28:38 thank you yeah thanks for thanks for all
01:28:40 those resources
01:28:41 we’ll be a little bit looking up stuff
01:28:43 so there are some differences on some
01:28:46 lunar sabbatarians and it’s generally
01:28:48 when the day starts and when the year
01:28:50 starts and when the new moon is
01:28:53 so yeah
01:28:56 and i’m happy to go over all those
01:28:58 details which i have in resources pages
01:29:00 and uh and i’m happy to do it in under
01:29:03 recording with you guys also um
01:29:06 because it’s an important thing
01:29:08 um
01:29:09 if the sabbath is a seal
01:29:12 we better find out when it is
01:29:14 yeah
01:29:16 i mean
01:29:17 you know unless unless you don’t want to
01:29:19 be seen
01:29:20 yeah well or you just go with the
01:29:23 calendar that used to have saturday as
01:29:25 the first day of the week
01:29:30 [Laughter]
01:29:32 which i would recommend not because um
01:29:36 it just
01:29:38 i
01:29:39 it’s anyways
01:29:41 yeah
01:29:43 if you just look at the calendar history
01:29:45 you would know the gregorian calendar is
01:29:47 not god’s calendar and it is
01:29:50 satan’s attempt to change the times in
01:29:52 the seasons and any but and anybody who
01:29:55 uh anybody who insists that the calendar
01:29:58 has never changed hasn’t really done
01:29:59 that much research oh no in fact
01:30:02 uh the lunar cycle changed at 700 bc uh
01:30:07 i guess what i have a resource page on
01:30:08 that that you can go look at later if
01:30:10 you really want to get into those
01:30:11 details
01:30:12 [Laughter]
01:30:14 because that’s when all the calendar
01:30:16 changes
01:30:17 happened is because of that event
01:30:18 because before that all calendars were
01:30:21 30 days
01:30:22 with two extra days and
01:30:24 [Music]
01:30:25 four weeks of seven days
01:30:28 it was after that event that all the
01:30:31 calendars went
01:30:32 wacko
01:30:33 in fact for a while egypt had two
01:30:35 calendars 365 and 360.
01:30:40 and some other cultures did too
01:30:42 because it was 360 before
01:30:47 and then for a while some cultures had
01:30:49 non-count days to try to fix it meaning
01:30:51 days that are kind of there but they
01:30:53 don’t really exist like uh the jews
01:30:55 considered the
01:30:56 new moon and transition days as
01:30:58 non-count days oh i wonder where they
01:31:00 got that word from maybe because that’s
01:31:02 what the other cultures used for those
01:31:04 extra days that got added
01:31:07 yeah it’s just
01:31:08 adopting stuff from the people around
01:31:11 them well they adopted the word they
01:31:14 i the hebrews did do it correctly i
01:31:17 would say because they kept it with the
01:31:19 lights in heaven it’s just um on
01:31:22 occasion a 13th moon is added with the
01:31:26 calendar which i would say is the
01:31:27 correct way of doing it
01:31:29 where other cultures
01:31:31 handled the problem different ways
01:31:34 yeah
01:31:35 and then then all the calendar problems
01:31:38 and then came that the collaborative
01:31:40 catholic church that forced everybody to
01:31:42 do it their way or
01:31:45 yeah
01:31:46 i mean
01:31:48 that’s the best way to get absolute
01:31:50 compliance
01:31:52 yeah
01:31:54 oh talk about a foreshadowing
01:31:56 talk about the foreshadowing of the uh
01:31:59 end times
01:32:00 do it our way or die
01:32:03 because
01:32:03 literally
01:32:06 there’s my calendar changes page which
01:32:09 has a lot of stuff on um shows how rome
01:32:12 changed it shows how
01:32:15 uh france had a 10-day
01:32:18 how different cultures even had a
01:32:20 five-day or
01:32:21 uh
01:32:22 i think miss america’s 13 week i i
01:32:25 forget on that one but anyways
01:32:27 um and also for those well that’s why
01:32:30 the metro american calendars are
01:32:32 absolutely incomprehensible
01:32:34 well it’s weird i i studied it one time
01:32:37 it’s because it’s got the three gears
01:32:39 and anyways but they don’t go by the
01:32:41 moon which is uh
01:32:43 designated to go by and torah which i
01:32:46 no one argues that
01:32:48 except on the weekly sabbath
01:32:50 because everything else
01:32:51 lunar calendar everything
01:32:54 all the holy holidays right
01:32:57 yeah
01:32:59 it’s just racism
01:33:01 they don’t think it’s the weekly but
01:33:03 that’s because of what the catholic
01:33:04 church did
01:33:05 and the hillel’s second calendar
01:33:08 which is
01:33:09 extra biblical
01:33:11 postponement days are not in torah that
01:33:14 is added
01:33:19 because they understand the 10th day of
01:33:22 the first moon
01:33:24 yes
01:33:25 [Music]
01:33:27 it can’t land on a sabbath because you
01:33:29 have to buy and sell
01:33:34 you have to go select your lamb and if
01:33:36 you don’t
01:33:38 have it yourself you have to buy it
01:33:40 because it has to be on the 10th
01:33:43 as i said
01:33:45 uh actually i think this was before we
01:33:47 started recording um
01:33:49 i can’t remember anyways i’ll say it
01:33:50 again
01:33:52 14
01:33:53 jesus yeshua came in the fourth
01:33:55 millennium
01:33:56 passover 14 4
01:33:59 13 3
01:34:01 12
01:34:02 2
01:34:03 i mean eleven one
01:34:06 ten zero before the foundation in the
01:34:08 world is when the lamb was selected and
01:34:10 that is when we
01:34:11 select the lamb before the foundation of
01:34:14 the world
01:34:15 yeah it’s so much of this in the high
01:34:17 festivals
01:34:20 they teach so much
01:34:22 yeah but that’s only you will only start
01:34:24 seeing it unless
01:34:27 you start
01:34:28 keeping them which is keeping the
01:34:29 commandments and thinking about them
01:34:32 yeah
01:34:33 huh just like joshua said in the new
01:34:35 testament if you want to know us from
01:34:37 for me or for somebody else
01:34:39 yeah and find out
01:34:42 well that’s the biggest that’s the
01:34:43 biggest issue i have with
01:34:46 with phil’s idea of
01:34:51 of before receiving all facts taking it
01:34:55 to the lord and in prayer
01:34:58 and then the whole
01:35:02 [Music]
01:35:12 try and justify himself on that
01:35:16 basically what he was saying was his
01:35:18 word was god basically and that you
01:35:21 should take his word when he said it
01:35:24 straight to the lord himself
01:35:26 and get confirmation bias
01:35:29 on what he said
01:35:32 yeah well he’s the deceiver that’s
01:35:35 what i can say i
01:35:37 i
01:35:37 honestly believe he knows he’s deceiving
01:35:40 people where i think some people
01:35:43 are deceived and then
01:35:45 than deceiving others
01:35:47 but i think he knows he’s a disease i
01:35:49 think that denver is one of those who is
01:35:51 deceived and is deceiving others uh i
01:35:54 think initially he was deceived but now
01:35:56 he is a
01:35:57 knowingly deceiving
01:35:59 yeah
01:36:01 um
01:36:03 anyways
01:36:05 things that he says
01:36:07 now
01:36:08 he knows he’s lying
01:36:11 yeah
01:36:13 yeah or he’s
01:36:14 uh got psychotic problems mental
01:36:18 problems
01:36:19 which
01:36:20 i don’t think he does
01:36:22 watching
01:36:23 he doesn’t have that so he knows he’s
01:36:25 lying
01:36:26 he knows he’s lying but no but but none
01:36:28 of his followers do um so
01:36:32 uh i i can’t say too much but i’ll give
01:36:34 you this one post that goes along that
01:36:37 um one more chat save
01:36:43 oh no uh
01:36:52 hold on
01:37:06 um
01:37:10 i know more than what i’m saying in that
01:37:12 post because of promises
01:37:15 i’ll leave it at that
01:37:17 gotcha
01:37:19 we’re gonna save the chat one more time
01:37:22 there you go okay
01:37:24 well um we do need to go let’s uh let’s
01:37:27 uh let’s close it let’s close it with
01:37:29 some prayer absolutely do you want to
01:37:31 say that for us matt sure
01:37:37 oh no i’m showing my hair that i didn’t
01:37:39 want to
01:37:40 oh wait i’m gonna stop recording i’d
01:37:41 rather not record the prayer
01:37:44 that’s fine