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Summary:

Polygamy shows that YHWH will teach adults what is right despite the fact their leaders only teach them what is wrong. The FLDS is an example is why polygamy should not be a crime with a punishment as Torah and Jacob 2 shows. Not calling repentance is a sin. Love your neighbor is a renewed law from Torah. Desire from LDS D&C 132 is lust. Torah states the head of your house has the right to know of the covenants you have made, contrary to LDS / Brighamite teachings on such. Talk about the flat earth some. It is better to understand the scriptures than to simply quote them. Lying in any degree is not good. Abraham did not lie. Eve coming out of Adam’s side is symbolic of the church coming out of Yeshua’s side. Punishments don’t have to be eternal. Talked about an idea regarding reincarnation. Jacob gave an offering unto his elder brother that points to Yeshua’s righteousness. Expounding some verses from the Book of Mormon that shows the importance of Torah. Book of Mormon teaches against work for the dead. Law of Moses points to Yeshua’s death. According to Joseph Smith daily repentance is not a good thing. The law of Zion is Torah. The Mighty and Strong one will bring people to Torah. Isaiah 66 tells us to observe New Moon days. Modern day apostasy. Fasting and prayer connects us to YHWH. The theif in the night confirms that the 10 virgins is the 10 commandments. The laws of the indigent servant represents how our relationship can be with Yeshua after we sin. Knowing the Tanak / Old Testament will help us understand the book of Revelation. We learn of Yeshua because of the testimony of others. Prophets are to decrease the reliance we have of them. Bringing out imagery of Elisha cursing the youth.

Links:

• Mormon Book Reviews YouTube
• Prisoner of the Prophet
• Torah states polygamy is wrong
  Scripture Study 2022-12-30
• Bishops are JUDGES of Israel
• Reincarnation
  • Letter Regarding Reincarnation
  • Scripture Study 2022-11-09
• Sacrament Hymn
  for KING + COUNTRY – Shoulders (Official Music Video)
• Law of Moses is different than Torah
• King Brigham
• Work of the dead
  The Holy Spirit and The Holy Ghost are the Same
• Sealing Power
• Lectures on Faith 2

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00:00:02 so the recent documentary that came out
00:00:06 um on polygamy uh about how someone
00:00:09 escaped the fles what was the name of
00:00:12 that
00:00:12 um oh
00:00:16 keep sweet pray and Obey something like
00:00:18 that oh no the one that’s even newer
00:00:20 than that
00:00:21 um it just came out like last week
00:00:25 oh
00:00:27 oh okay
00:00:29 um not quite sure which one that is uh
00:00:31 okay all right well I I can go find it
00:00:34 real quick but first
00:00:37 um let me
00:00:38 so while watching this
00:00:41 it’s interesting I had a couple thoughts
00:00:43 and I wrote them down I need to put the
00:00:45 name so the flds people knewing what was
00:00:50 going on and how it was wrong is proof
00:00:53 that Moroni 7 in there at the beginning
00:00:55 of Moroni seven it states that Yahweh
00:00:58 teaches all adults right from wrong now
00:01:01 I am wording it different on purpose but
00:01:04 that is what it’s teaching okay and we
00:01:06 can go look at the actual verses in a
00:01:08 minute
00:01:08 but what I’m bringing out is that
00:01:11 documentary this is one thought I had on
00:01:13 it that it really shows Yahweh does
00:01:16 teach the adults right from wrong
00:01:18 because the adults knew it was going on
00:01:21 and was wrong and
00:01:24 this one that escaped among many others
00:01:28 they were never taught from these
00:01:31 leaders what was right but yet somehow
00:01:34 they knew what was right
00:01:36 right
00:01:38 that’s that that’s true
00:01:41 they didn’t get it from Men
00:01:43 because the only message that they got
00:01:46 was controlled listen to this false
00:01:50 prophet and basically keep sweet man
00:01:53 obey right yeah
00:01:55 um and so to me it’s horrible what they
00:01:58 went through okay yeah completely
00:02:00 terrible Twisted brighamite Mormonism
00:02:04 mm-hmm but to me
00:02:08 as in just trying to make sense and you
00:02:11 know get some good from it it proves
00:02:13 Moroni 7 that all adults are taught
00:02:16 right from wrong from Yahweh yeah
00:02:20 they knew it while they weren’t being
00:02:21 taught from their false Shepherds
00:02:25 this is true another thing that goes
00:02:28 along with this so in Torah
00:02:31 it specifically states that polygamy is
00:02:34 wrong and we can get into that and I’ve
00:02:36 done that in a different recording with
00:02:37 casley so I can link to that unless you
00:02:41 guys want to get into it right now but
00:02:43 the other thought is
00:02:45 what happened there is also proof to me
00:02:49 why Torah and nor Jacob too can makes a
00:02:54 crime
00:02:55 the difference between a sin well they
00:02:58 does it does Define he does Define it as
00:03:01 grosser crimes
00:03:03 uh yeah but it’s okay so let me let me
00:03:06 let me use some better terminology then
00:03:09 it’s a sin
00:03:11 and it’s against the law but it doesn’t
00:03:13 have any legal punishments for it oh
00:03:16 yeah yeah okay I get you I get you
00:03:18 there’s no there’s no equipment for
00:03:22 polygamy yeah Mentor or in the Book of
00:03:24 Mormon in fact Jacob two is actually
00:03:27 patterning
00:03:29 um what it states in Torah in fact Dean
00:03:31 C 1835 DNC 101 does the same thing too
00:03:34 and that’s one thing I’ve been put in a
00:03:37 post that I haven’t finished yet you’ve
00:03:38 never heard me say that
00:03:39 but
00:03:41 um
00:03:42 this flds situation shows why that’s the
00:03:46 case they didn’t feel safe to come out
00:03:48 because it was against the law and so
00:03:51 they were worried about them being
00:03:52 prosecuted themselves right because they
00:03:56 could
00:03:58 where that actually kept them
00:04:01 in the knit group that made it worse and
00:04:04 worse where if we actually followed
00:04:06 Torah
00:04:08 and the Book of Mormon on this
00:04:11 it would have made it easier for them to
00:04:13 speak out
00:04:14 because it was would not have been
00:04:16 against the law and so that fear
00:04:20 of that portion would have gone away
00:04:25 where they would have been safer
00:04:28 or felt safer because there are control
00:04:31 aspects to this too but it would have
00:04:32 been
00:04:33 easier for them to feel like they could
00:04:36 speak out against it
00:04:38 uh yeah that’s just one of those things
00:04:40 that
00:04:41 well in terms of polygamy there’s only
00:04:44 one thing really that that always has
00:04:48 confused me about it I have I believe
00:04:51 that it’s I believe that it’s wrong
00:04:54 and I know I know the scriptures state
00:04:56 that it’s wrong
00:04:59 and yet
00:05:07 Jacob was able to complete
00:05:10 his who was able to complete his
00:05:13 sanctification while practicing it
00:05:16 okay so that’s
00:05:18 um debatable there
00:05:20 um his favorite wife
00:05:24 Rachel mm-hmm
00:05:26 she died yeah that’s true sanctification
00:05:30 happened
00:05:31 yeah after he only had one wife in my
00:05:35 opinion now we’d have to go into
00:05:37 specifics of the actual texts and
00:05:40 whatnot but
00:05:41 my belief he didn’t actually get the
00:05:44 sanctification until he only had one
00:05:46 wife
00:05:50 it’s an idea that makes sense uh and
00:05:54 which basically means that him getting
00:05:55 the new name of Israel is not
00:05:58 necessarily a moment of sanctification
00:05:59 no I I don’t think it was
00:06:02 um no that that I mean and that’s and
00:06:05 that’s perfectly acceptable
00:06:07 we’d have to start looking at a deeper
00:06:10 things rather than just my quick
00:06:12 statement on that right okay
00:06:16 um
00:06:17 uh
00:06:20 oh this one
00:06:22 um prisoner of the Prophet that was yeah
00:06:24 okay okay from Disney
00:06:27 um
00:06:28 that’s the one I was watching when I had
00:06:30 those thoughts
00:06:31 um okay yeah that’s pretty interesting I
00:06:33 I think it was I think it was Disney
00:06:35 that did it and I so I I
00:06:38 like this channel some mixed feelings
00:06:41 about some things that he promotes but
00:06:43 in general I like it
00:06:45 um as if you want you can go look
00:06:47 through the comments I comment on a lot
00:06:49 of videos yeah
00:06:55 um yeah I I know that I know Pinegar
00:06:58 i i in general I like them
00:07:01 um yeah occasionally I’ll even bring out
00:07:03 how I I don’t like this or that I’ve
00:07:05 already I’ve argued with him on a couple
00:07:07 of I’ve argued with him on a couple of
00:07:09 points uh yeah I I
00:07:12 unintentionally yeah one time I told him
00:07:15 you’re promoting wickedness on a
00:07:17 particular video well I mean I’m I’m
00:07:20 also I I’m also in another Facebook
00:07:23 group that he’s a part of the more
00:07:24 liberal LDS group oh I I will get along
00:07:28 there so yeah
00:07:30 I I’m too bold they’ll kick me out
00:07:34 speaking of you need to be more bold
00:07:36 anyways yeah
00:07:40 um I I so on on that I hear just just
00:07:44 to emphasize that let me show you
00:07:46 something okay
00:07:51 um
00:07:51 you know I’ll show up for me in the
00:07:53 scriptures
00:07:54 because
00:07:58 that’s what that must be a new feature
00:08:00 that’s kind of annoying
00:08:01 um
00:08:09 okay
00:08:11 so I mean we could look at all of these
00:08:13 but go read those ones
00:08:16 so listen at the same time
00:08:20 actually Ben read them out loud okay
00:08:23 verse 33 Ezekiel 33 6. but if the
00:08:27 Watchmen see the sword come and blow not
00:08:29 the trumpet and the people would be not
00:08:31 warned if the sword come and take any
00:08:34 person from among them he is taken away
00:08:36 in his iniquity but his blood will I
00:08:38 require at the watchman’s hand
00:08:41 and verse 8 when I say unto the wicked o
00:08:44 man Thou shalt surely die if thou Dost
00:08:47 not speak to warn the wicked from his
00:08:49 way that Wicked man shall die in his
00:08:51 iniquity but his blood will I require a
00:08:54 thine hand
00:08:56 and verse 9 nevertheless if thou warn
00:08:58 the wicked of his way to turn from it if
00:09:01 he do not turn from his way he shall die
00:09:04 in his iniquity but thou Hast delivered
00:09:06 thy soul
00:09:08 it’s a sin not to tell someone what
00:09:11 they’re doing is wrong yep well when I
00:09:14 was active in that group I was known for
00:09:17 doing for saying those kinds of things
00:09:19 and uh
00:09:20 yeah I got into arguments with a lot of
00:09:22 people
00:09:24 well okay well I’m glad to hear that but
00:09:27 um no
00:09:28 maybe not the argument type but just
00:09:30 that you’re doing The Warning part right
00:09:32 and it’s something tore it too so
00:09:36 yeah Luke thy brother and suffer sin and
00:09:41 not suffer sin to come upon him there it
00:09:43 is so I I mean
00:09:46 it’s in the Book of Mormon too but here
00:09:49 we go but I love the part the first part
00:09:52 there Thou shalt not hate thy brother in
00:09:54 thine heart oh yeah yeah because and
00:09:57 then this here
00:09:58 shows what it means to hate your brother
00:10:00 in your heart
00:10:02 a part of it the whole part but yeah
00:10:04 part of it is not helping them right
00:10:07 yeah
00:10:08 especially in something that’s so
00:10:10 important
00:10:11 yeah
00:10:13 Eternal death but anyways it I mean
00:10:17 along the lines some more on a positive
00:10:19 note that goes along with what you just
00:10:21 brought up
00:10:22 um let me
00:10:25 uh
00:10:27 yeah if I can find it in my notes there
00:10:30 we go
00:10:32 um so those two loved Thy Neighbor is in
00:10:36 the Torah Thou shalt not avenge nor bear
00:10:39 any grudge against the children of thy
00:10:41 people but Thou shalt love thy neighbor
00:10:42 as thyself I am the Lord yeah so when
00:10:46 Yeshua in the New Testament told people
00:10:48 when I give you a new law to love your
00:10:51 neighbor he was actually really stating
00:10:53 let me give you a renewed law love
00:10:57 yourself yes because it it wasn’t bro
00:11:00 Andy he and he’s actually telling people
00:11:02 what he means by you
00:11:08 uh
00:11:10 you mean there’s rarely rarely ever when
00:11:12 he talks about new
00:11:15 is he actually talking about something
00:11:16 completely brand spanking new oh no yeah
00:11:19 yeah uh it’s renewed or expounding on
00:11:23 something that they already had yeah
00:11:26 um
00:11:27 I I know some people will say that you
00:11:30 know uh Sermon on the Mount made things
00:11:32 more strict than Torah I disagree
00:11:35 for example they say uh it was more
00:11:38 strict because yahshua said don’t you
00:11:40 know covet in your heart your why or
00:11:42 anybody else’s wife
00:11:44 right that’s in the ten commandments so
00:11:46 if someone actually thinks that
00:11:49 they don’t know but even well well the
00:11:52 thing is
00:11:53 Commandments what they’re looking at is
00:11:56 they’re just looking at the Ten
00:11:57 Commandments as part of a lower law of
00:12:01 just it’s just about things that you do
00:12:03 we always say okay I can somewhat go
00:12:06 with that but that means there’s no
00:12:08 contextual understanding Thou shalt not
00:12:11 covet that’s what he said
00:12:14 he’s actually still on the mount that
00:12:16 they’re saying that he’s making it
00:12:17 harder
00:12:18 no it’s not
00:12:21 I do believe that it actually States and
00:12:24 States Thou shalt not covet thy
00:12:26 neighbor’s ass nor his Ox nor his
00:12:28 handmaiden or his wife I don’t remember
00:12:31 I don’t have a whole life specifically
00:12:34 State the wife but yeah it does actually
00:12:37 specifically State the wife I believe uh
00:12:39 yeah but I I think I mean this is where
00:12:42 I don’t have it all completely memorized
00:12:43 but in the sermon in the middle I don’t
00:12:44 think it I it’s just that if you lust
00:12:47 after a woman if you look upon a woman
00:12:49 to lust after you’ve committed adultery
00:12:51 already in your heart but so that’s a
00:12:54 little different wording but the intent
00:12:58 is still there coveting lusting is
00:13:00 everything and so is desire which is
00:13:02 used in 18 I mean
00:13:05 um DNC LDS LDS uh DNC 132 desire is lost
00:13:11 you can go look up in the dictionary
00:13:12 yeah
00:13:14 exactly it’s just another word for lust
00:13:20 another proof I love this I love this
00:13:22 one but the stranger that dwelleth with
00:13:24 you shall be among and shall be unto you
00:13:27 as one born among you and thou shalt
00:13:29 love him as thyself For You Were
00:13:31 Strangers in the land of Egypt I am the
00:13:33 Lord your God and I love how he signs
00:13:35 these things I am the Lord your God yeah
00:13:37 well it kind of bringing out
00:13:40 how
00:13:42 um remember how you were mistreated you
00:13:44 don’t do that
00:13:48 is really tying it in to try to help
00:13:50 them
00:13:51 remember because it’s it’s
00:13:54 bringing the emotional
00:13:56 to and I bring this out in my uh
00:14:00 Bishops are Israel posts but the more
00:14:03 senses
00:14:04 visual hearing tasting emotional that
00:14:07 get brought out in these things the more
00:14:10 likely you are to remember it and
00:14:13 the science shows that I mean I would
00:14:16 say they don’t use it in fact that’s
00:14:18 what that’s part of what the senses are
00:14:21 for is for memory implementation
00:14:24 yeah and that’s I believe what he’s
00:14:28 doing right there
00:14:30 he’s using a memory technique to get
00:14:32 them to remember that
00:14:37 um yeah it’s and it shows that Yahweh is
00:14:40 in fact the master teacher
00:14:43 he uses multiple techniques to get
00:14:46 people to understand
00:14:49 um
00:14:50 that doesn’t mean that he uses occult
00:14:53 techniques oh no they’re uh and so I you
00:14:58 know because there’s a lot of people in
00:15:00 the church who will claim who will say
00:15:02 the same thing and apply it to the
00:15:04 temple
00:15:06 well
00:15:08 um
00:15:09 first of all I yeah so one thing about
00:15:13 antora and you’ll see this in the Book
00:15:15 of Mormon that uh that goes against the
00:15:19 temple those covenants are kept a secret
00:15:21 so in Torah it states that you’re head
00:15:25 of your household has to know all the
00:15:28 covenants that you make
00:15:29 yes including the spouse
00:15:32 yes and so when a wife that goes there
00:15:36 where the husband does not they’re
00:15:39 actually telling the wife to break Torah
00:15:41 because they tell her not to tell her
00:15:45 husband what the secret covenants that
00:15:48 she’s made in the temple that’s breaking
00:15:51 Torah that’s breaking the law and you’ll
00:15:53 see this in the Book of Mormon uh right
00:15:56 after mosiah 2 through 5 and or maybe
00:15:59 it’s chapter 5 or chapter six but it
00:16:02 brings out how or
00:16:03 maybe it’s in two where they come
00:16:05 together anyways I have to look but some
00:16:08 are either the beginning or the end
00:16:09 sorry to remember exactly where
00:16:12 um it brings out how they’re together
00:16:15 in families
00:16:16 that’s not by accident because that’s
00:16:18 bringing out that Taurus impact that
00:16:21 would be uh
00:16:23 is that too okay anyways it’s either the
00:16:26 beginning of the end we can go find the
00:16:28 exact if you want sorry I don’t remember
00:16:30 exactly where everything is
00:16:33 I must have false Messenger right
00:16:35 because I can’t remember exactly where
00:16:36 uh
00:16:38 well okay fair enough
00:16:41 [Laughter]
00:16:45 quoting exactly where it is is less
00:16:48 important being able to expound it and
00:16:49 teach it and how to apply it to your own
00:16:51 life exactly exactly um
00:16:55 anyways there’s a place for knowing
00:16:57 exactly where it is and I do that in my
00:16:58 blog post here we can go look it up if
00:17:00 you really are worried about it right
00:17:02 here here is uh here here we
00:17:06 talk about things we expound things we
00:17:09 yeah well I mean you can look up Jesus
00:17:13 doesn’t say uh when he was quoting
00:17:15 Isaiah Which chapter and verse that’s a
00:17:18 Hellenistic concept to do that yeah
00:17:21 that’s not a Hebrew one
00:17:24 a little bit and they expect you to know
00:17:27 where it is because they study the one
00:17:30 book versus the multiple books as in
00:17:33 just given a key like
00:17:35 um since we’re talking about Gnostic
00:17:37 stuff a little bit in the Gnostic ones
00:17:40 they love to read books
00:17:44 study books versus
00:17:47 in general I mean we have more in the
00:17:50 restoration but in general the one book
00:17:53 [Music]
00:17:54 in fact even the restoration though
00:17:56 we’re supposed to put them in one hand
00:17:58 right and they’re supposed to as one so
00:18:00 it’s still even one book even the
00:18:01 restoration but anyways just just to get
00:18:04 that one point down but back to the
00:18:06 mosiah the reason why it’s bringing out
00:18:08 that they were together as families
00:18:13 is that Torah law
00:18:15 yes the head of the house knew the
00:18:18 covenants that everybody underneath him
00:18:20 that he’s responsible for
00:18:22 we’re making
00:18:24 yep
00:18:25 that’s Torah that’s how Yahweh wants it
00:18:28 and that talk about a house of order
00:18:31 um
00:18:32 that’s a household order
00:18:34 a house of order is not your spouse or
00:18:37 children hiding things that they’re
00:18:40 supposed to be doing from you that’s a
00:18:42 house of disorder the other thing the
00:18:45 other thing is
00:18:48 um
00:18:49 the other thing about that is that the
00:18:51 house of order
00:18:54 um
00:18:57 the house of order does not equal the
00:19:00 house of hierarchy uh
00:19:04 it does have hierarchy but hierarchy
00:19:08 does not necessarily mean you always
00:19:09 order yeah no not every hierarchy is
00:19:13 yahweh’s order and any hierarchy that
00:19:16 necessarily requires us to any hierarchy
00:19:21 that requires us to seal ourselves to
00:19:23 one man in order to have access to
00:19:25 Christ is not a correct hierarchy
00:19:28 correct I would agree with that in along
00:19:31 those lines most hierarchies are done
00:19:33 incorrectly right that sounds an awful
00:19:36 lot what you guys are just speaking of
00:19:39 where every man is aware of how each
00:19:43 person is you know
00:19:47 like the patriarch is supposed to have
00:19:49 knowledge of the law and knows where
00:19:50 each person the family is basically it
00:19:53 kind of reminds me of the story of
00:19:55 Lehigh as he goes and he sees the valley
00:19:58 of uh
00:20:00 Layman Layman and he’s and then he’s
00:20:03 sitting there and he’s expounding
00:20:05 Aura to his sons
00:20:09 hoping that they will repent
00:20:13 yeah yeah because he’s the the he’s over
00:20:17 them
00:20:18 um yeah but the
00:20:20 Val was it the valley Layman the river
00:20:23 of level or something like that on the
00:20:26 valley of layman yeah
00:20:29 um but anyways yeah he was
00:20:32 wait a minute
00:20:34 it’s the river layman in the valley of
00:20:36 lemon yes oh okay sorry I must be I want
00:20:39 that t-shirt no yeah that’s right it’s
00:20:42 the river and it’s the uh yeah we can go
00:20:46 find it to get the exact if you guys
00:20:47 want but in in my mind part of what he’s
00:20:50 doing there is seeing what’s there and
00:20:53 applying it to use it to teach his kids
00:20:56 just like Yeshua did
00:20:58 right Yeshua took what was right there
00:21:01 in front of them people were seeing he
00:21:03 used it to teach him because he knew the
00:21:06 core teachings or understanding or you
00:21:10 know purpose he really knew what the
00:21:13 prophets were teaching so he could do
00:21:15 that he could take those core teachings
00:21:19 and then
00:21:20 bring it out with any anything that was
00:21:22 out around him
00:21:24 because was it Alma
00:21:30 30 brings out I’m pretty sure it’s 30.
00:21:33 that all things denote there is
00:21:36 yes yes that’s also one of the that’s
00:21:40 also one of the when I’m arguing with
00:21:43 flat earthers that’s also one of the
00:21:45 chapters that I will cite the chapters
00:21:47 and verses that I will cite indicating
00:21:49 the motion of the Earth so I need to do
00:21:52 a reason but I have two for you in the
00:21:55 Book of Mormon and
00:21:57 um one of them is in Helaman yeah
00:22:02 if
00:22:05 oh yeah okay
00:22:15 Helaman and Elma 30. they both from The
00:22:20 Book of Mormon bring out how the Flat
00:22:22 Earth is not happening because it goes
00:22:23 against the teachings and theories of
00:22:25 the flat earth right yeah yeah oh I
00:22:29 pointed these out that I pointed these
00:22:30 out to one of these uh doctrine of
00:22:32 Christ Flat Earth people
00:22:34 so already she has two strikes against
00:22:37 her
00:22:41 in terms of understanding truth yeah I
00:22:45 I’ve seen
00:22:46 uh and what they said
00:22:50 they claimed
00:22:52 Mandela effect being used on the Book of
00:22:55 Mormon to change it
00:22:57 I really I’ve seen people do that with
00:23:01 parts of Isaiah but I’ve never heard
00:23:03 anybody apply that to the Book of Mormon
00:23:04 oh yeah just the fruit just so they can
00:23:07 hold on to their pet theories yeah
00:23:09 that’s well a lot of the I I’ve I know
00:23:13 doctrine of Christ people who say
00:23:17 recordedly on YouTube
00:23:20 they know better than the Book of Mormon
00:23:23 so sadly
00:23:26 whether if they try to come up with the
00:23:28 mandala effect excuse or something else
00:23:31 sadly coming from the doctrine of Christ
00:23:33 I’m not surprised
00:23:35 these guys also teach that well Joseph
00:23:38 was just trying to figure things out and
00:23:40 that was his current believing I’m like
00:23:45 so now you know better than Joseph Smith
00:23:48 yeah like God
00:23:50 foreign
00:23:53 [Music]
00:24:01 [Music]
00:24:02 did you see him just out of curiosity
00:24:06 yeah did you see his
00:24:10 um outfit
00:24:13 well I just might have to go blank I cut
00:24:15 that out
00:24:16 um but anyways all right
00:24:18 um yeah so
00:24:20 I actually
00:24:24 but most of the people I see pushing
00:24:27 flat Earths
00:24:28 fallacy at least the circles I’m around
00:24:31 are Torah people and it just drives me
00:24:34 nuts and it
00:24:38 it makes the Torah movement look like a
00:24:42 joke
00:24:43 because it actually Tor actually speaks
00:24:46 against it and maybe I need to look
00:24:50 like I research things can you see all
00:24:52 that stuff
00:24:54 I should go make a page on this
00:24:57 um because I’m so busy doing other
00:24:58 things
00:25:00 hold on another pause
00:25:05 didn’t I I should say one of these days
00:25:08 I need to sit down and make a uh
00:25:10 Resource page on this but it yeah I mean
00:25:13 I think that the uh
00:25:16 I the thing is is that
00:25:19 my the question one of the questions
00:25:22 that I’ll always pose
00:25:25 is
00:25:27 you know it’s like they assume
00:25:30 that because they assume that because
00:25:33 the whole globe Earth thing was
00:25:35 presented by globalists
00:25:39 that it must be a lie
00:25:42 yeah I I get people to tell me Well NASA
00:25:45 lies I’m like I know that but it didn’t
00:25:47 start with NASA
00:25:49 um so
00:25:52 okay so on this point since we’re
00:25:54 getting on this off subject a little bit
00:25:56 but that’s fine but this is a good thing
00:25:57 right so I actually don’t believe we
00:26:01 landed on
00:26:02 the moon okay I I actually I just don’t
00:26:07 um and so here’s I
00:26:10 so here’s a reason that I came up myself
00:26:12 and when I bring it up no one can
00:26:16 go against it so the pictures that they
00:26:18 have right sure people bring out some
00:26:21 funny things on them but you know what
00:26:22 my issue is that they could take them
00:26:27 if you so spotlights okay right the
00:26:30 things that people use at dance places
00:26:32 and get get noticed if you took a
00:26:36 picture
00:26:37 of someone right in front of that you
00:26:39 won’t get a very good picture right
00:26:41 you’ll help you you won’t get any detail
00:26:44 right right now
00:26:47 can that spotlight
00:26:49 put light on the moon
00:26:52 no no so the reason I’m bringing this
00:26:55 out is supposedly they’re on a moon and
00:26:57 took pictures
00:26:59 but
00:27:01 the moon with the light it’s reflecting
00:27:03 can light the Earth at night
00:27:08 that can that’s impossible
00:27:12 what’s impossible to take a picture
00:27:14 under that under the light of that yeah
00:27:17 that’s exactly my point
00:27:20 the moon although even though it’s just
00:27:23 reflecting light it’s
00:27:26 a hundred thousand million times more
00:27:28 bright than a spotlight
00:27:30 and you can’t take a picture of somebody
00:27:32 in front of a spotlight
00:27:34 how did they get take a picture while
00:27:36 they’re on the moon
00:27:40 I I’ve
00:27:42 been called crazy
00:27:45 a denier and a whole bunch of other
00:27:47 nasty words but they won’t respond
00:27:52 to that question they won’t answer it
00:27:54 because it’s science
00:27:57 well I haven’t done experiments but to
00:27:59 me because I can’t go to the Moon right
00:28:01 experiment but I
00:28:03 it’s and I haven’t tried to take a
00:28:06 picture of something in a spotlight but
00:28:09 logic but it is it’s logical I haven’t
00:28:13 actually gone and test it but you you
00:28:15 can’t go take a picture of somebody in
00:28:17 front of a spotlight I mean you can’t
00:28:19 even anyways you guys are on the same
00:28:21 page on that right well we don’t need to
00:28:23 yeah I don’t uh yeah you can if you have
00:28:27 an opposing light
00:28:29 the thing is if you understand about
00:28:32 light the things about light if a person
00:28:35 is standing directly in front of a
00:28:36 bright Spotlight the only way you can
00:28:38 get a clear picture of their front and
00:28:40 it’s really cool effect is if you have
00:28:43 an equally brighter light shining at
00:28:45 them
00:28:46 actually it’s from the opposite
00:28:48 direction what that does is it offsets
00:28:50 the light and creates a shadow and you
00:28:53 can catch the person’s full figure
00:28:56 okay okay so that’s an interesting point
00:28:58 that’s something I I don’t know because
00:29:00 I’m not a cinematographer but yep here’s
00:29:04 an another issue even with that in mind
00:29:09 cameras break when they get light that’s
00:29:12 too bright yes yeah they do they don’t
00:29:16 so I that may solve part of the problem
00:29:19 but not the complete well especially the
00:29:21 cameras especially the cameras that they
00:29:23 would be using during that time oh right
00:29:25 right
00:29:26 um even today I don’t think there’s a
00:29:28 camera that can with stuff
00:29:32 but but when the lights too bright when
00:29:35 the lights too bright the digital cams
00:29:39 or bleach they they bleach out they
00:29:42 bleach it out and they and they won’t
00:29:44 take the picture right for sure but I
00:29:47 for sure back then they didn’t have the
00:29:49 technology to take a picture that’s my I
00:29:52 guess that’s mine of that amount of
00:29:55 brightness right I would doubt even they
00:29:58 have today to take a picture of that
00:30:01 amount of brightness
00:30:02 um but yeah because because yeah I mean
00:30:06 the same effect happens on film light
00:30:08 has its effects Right light has its
00:30:12 effects when and just like when film is
00:30:15 exposed to when film is a film that
00:30:18 you’ve used to record something is
00:30:20 exposed to to too much light
00:30:23 it will uh
00:30:26 no bleacher no bleach out and the image
00:30:29 will be gone so uh unless you guys want
00:30:31 to say more on this I want to say one
00:30:33 last thing that I have personally seen
00:30:36 that proves disproves the Flat Earth
00:30:38 sunsets
00:30:40 and surprises but more than that just
00:30:43 one that I’ve seen that most people
00:30:45 won’t personally experience
00:30:47 is the Crescent of the moon is on the
00:30:49 opposite side
00:30:51 if you’re on the northern versus the
00:30:53 southern hemisphere right and that is
00:30:57 because of the angles of the Sun that
00:30:59 you’re I’m not the Sun but the Earth
00:31:01 where you are when you’re looking at it
00:31:03 yes yeah so that’s not possible on a
00:31:08 flat Earth that would not be possible no
00:31:11 and on top of that not just the Crescent
00:31:14 on the opposite side the constellations
00:31:16 are upside down also yeah yeah because
00:31:20 I’m I’m working I’m walking upside down
00:31:22 down here right oh oh yeah yeah that’s
00:31:25 got to be it
00:31:27 anyways I’m not getting magnetized to it
00:31:29 yeah yeah so my first thing when I run
00:31:33 across people on on this subject is
00:31:36 the lights in the heaven just proved the
00:31:38 Flat Earth and I’m not kidding they do
00:31:41 sunrise sunset versus just disappearing
00:31:45 as a DOT
00:31:47 and comes back as a dog it’s actually
00:31:49 sun sets and sun rises same with the
00:31:51 moon my my favorite my favorite thing
00:31:56 that they use to prove that flatter this
00:32:00 ladder is the curvature beef
00:32:04 flagrantly disgusting curvature equation
00:32:07 that NASA puts out there
00:32:09 oh yeah well
00:32:11 I do believe NASA has problems uh and I
00:32:15 in some of their videos of the
00:32:18 astronauts even in the space station I
00:32:20 have issues with actually I’ve watched a
00:32:23 few just out of curiosity they’re it
00:32:26 it’s uh
00:32:28 uh CGI
00:32:31 yeah
00:32:33 they even contract a CGI company
00:32:37 so I anyways that’s a whole other
00:32:39 subject but
00:32:41 um Moving on but the sun moon and stars
00:32:44 just prove it when you actually do real
00:32:46 observations
00:32:47 um so
00:32:49 but it’s a strong deception
00:32:52 it really is yeah
00:32:54 my problem with it is if you can deceive
00:32:58 someone in one thing
00:33:00 you’ll be able to deceive them in
00:33:01 another
00:33:02 yeah
00:33:04 yeah that’s my biggest concern because
00:33:06 well the whole thing is is that when
00:33:08 people
00:33:10 um
00:33:13 the the thing that I see is that when
00:33:15 people get deceived and they grow to
00:33:17 love their deception yeah they do
00:33:21 um
00:33:22 and uh uh
00:33:27 there’s a
00:33:29 oh actually do I put it
00:33:32 and the one I’m working on I think I
00:33:34 have some of it in the in the Jake one
00:33:36 hold on let me see
00:33:43 yeah people oh no I don’t I
00:33:46 which one do I
00:33:49 um
00:33:52 oh I let me check I think it’s
00:33:56 foreign
00:33:57 have you heard of this
00:34:00 um
00:34:01 this joke this joke
00:34:03 the name of NASA
00:34:05 not a space agency
00:34:11 sorry say that again not a space agency
00:34:16 massive it stands for not a space agency
00:34:19 no I haven’t heard that one I I I’ve
00:34:21 come I don’t know true it is but I’ve
00:34:23 come across how NASA and Hebrew is lies
00:34:26 um
00:34:27 I I haven’t checked that out for sure
00:34:30 but so this is in my uh upcoming
00:34:34 um King David post but uh just to go
00:34:37 along with what you said so do you I
00:34:40 mean it’s in a couple Revelations and
00:34:42 anyways but whosoever loveth AKA
00:34:46 believeth
00:34:47 or make it the lie
00:34:50 and so this is my big problem with it
00:34:54 what’s the consequence of that it’s
00:34:57 damnation mm-hmm right I mean we can go
00:35:01 read it from Revelations real quick and
00:35:02 behold
00:35:03 my reward is with me see here’s my uh
00:35:07 Majestic pronouns you just call it the
00:35:11 funny culture right yep yep to give
00:35:15 every man according to his work wait a
00:35:18 minute to his that’s his work shall be
00:35:20 that’s his work shall be work not just
00:35:24 uh belief
00:35:25 um anyways I’m not just not just not
00:35:27 just the not just the things that we say
00:35:29 but not just profession huh man yeah lip
00:35:33 service is only uh there’s a verse on
00:35:36 that one close to me with their lips but
00:35:38 far from me with their hearts anyways
00:35:40 okay I think I’ve heard that one
00:35:43 yeah it’s uh yeah I know a couple places
00:35:46 at that but anyways
00:35:49 I am
00:35:52 Alpha and Omega the Bing beginning then
00:35:54 the first and the last blessed are they
00:35:56 who oh actually oh whoa whoa whoa whoa
00:36:00 whoa this is you do
00:36:02 whoa I’m gonna stutter here sorry
00:36:09 uh it’s my speech impediment right no no
00:36:12 that’s not mine I have problems with
00:36:15 other words but that they may have right
00:36:18 to right
00:36:20 to the tree of life so not any not
00:36:23 everybody has the right of the tree life
00:36:25 which is Yeshua but those who do his
00:36:27 Commandments have right yeah those who
00:36:30 do this it’s not a privilege
00:36:34 which reminds me of the sermon of Torah
00:36:37 anyway Sermon on the Mount uh just going
00:36:40 off of what I was saying before but
00:36:42 anyways
00:36:43 um enter in the gates into the city for
00:36:46 without our dogs and Sorcerers
00:36:50 whoremongers murderers adulterers those
00:36:54 who love slash believeth and
00:36:57 or maketh a lie oh wait a minute
00:37:00 those are without the city without the
00:37:03 city those who believe
00:37:07 a lie or if you go back to Torah those
00:37:11 are those who were taking who were
00:37:13 supposed to be destroyed from the land
00:37:17 you have a verse that one I don’t know
00:37:20 that one whenever he taught whenever he
00:37:21 told them to destroy the people from out
00:37:23 of the land the the several verses
00:37:26 um
00:37:28 the Canaanites the what have you and we
00:37:32 do not adopt there and not adopt their
00:37:34 ways
00:37:36 okay well you want to see if you can
00:37:39 find it real quick let’s look at it um
00:37:41 yeah I I believe you I just don’t
00:37:42 remember that one off top of my head
00:37:44 um I I don’t have it everything
00:37:47 memorized I don’t think anybody does
00:37:48 well you’re not a sponge
00:37:52 sponges
00:38:02 I I am more concerned about
00:38:04 understanding than remembering
00:38:05 everywhere where something is taught
00:38:08 absolutely absolutely
00:38:11 um okay it’s good to be able to quote it
00:38:14 but that’s why I have my one note I
00:38:15 don’t remember everywhere
00:38:17 um
00:38:18 and yeah I I just
00:38:21 I’m more concerned about
00:38:23 um the essence of it
00:38:25 um so
00:38:27 because once you really understand it
00:38:29 you can look at one and then you can
00:38:30 expound it right so yes indeed that’s
00:38:33 the more important thing in fact
00:38:35 a lot of scriptures not all but a lot of
00:38:39 scriptures
00:38:40 is
00:38:42 Recollections or accounts written down
00:38:46 records of Messengers teaching other
00:38:50 people
00:38:52 so it actually shows they didn’t just
00:38:54 have it memorized
00:38:56 they made it their own and then taught
00:38:58 it
00:38:59 foreign they didn’t just quote it
00:39:03 they act taught it because they knew it
00:39:06 and they understand it and so they could
00:39:07 bring it out
00:39:09 they did come up too but the thing that
00:39:11 really made it stick to the people is
00:39:14 that they understood it and they could
00:39:16 teach it in a way that that person right
00:39:18 in front of them needed it
00:39:20 yeah not just quote because you’ll see
00:39:22 people quote all the time right but most
00:39:25 people quote without understanding
00:39:27 and it doesn’t go anywhere
00:39:30 understanding
00:39:33 that one scripture about resting
00:39:36 scriptures to their own damnation no
00:39:39 again
00:39:41 and oh let’s look at the word damnation
00:39:44 in the 1928 1828 dictionary well Ben’s
00:39:48 looking up no that sounds that’s that’s
00:39:51 a good plan
00:39:55 uh let me move that forward
00:40:02 um
00:40:13 sentence or condemnation to Everlasting
00:40:17 Everlasting not uh that kind of outrules
00:40:21 uh reincarnation punishment in future
00:40:25 State or the state of Eternal torments
00:40:29 condemnation
00:40:31 is that what you’re going for Matt
00:40:33 when I was thinking more along the lines
00:40:37 of
00:40:38 light
00:40:42 have
00:40:43 I might have
00:40:46 is because the idolatry is the idolatry
00:40:50 is a lie so here’s part of here’s a part
00:40:52 of that judgment
00:40:54 these are the statutes and judgments
00:40:56 which you shall observe to do in the
00:40:58 land this is uh Deuteronomy 12
00:41:01 which the Lord God of thy fathers giveth
00:41:03 thee to possess it to all the days that
00:41:05 ye live upon your ye shall utterly
00:41:08 destroy all the places wherein the
00:41:10 Nations which ye shall possess serve
00:41:13 their gods
00:41:14 high mountains upon the hills and under
00:41:17 every Green Tree
00:41:18 the the idolatry is the great lie
00:41:23 uh sure sure I I will agree with that
00:41:26 but
00:41:28 it’s not saying
00:41:31 what you were
00:41:33 um no I’m just I’m just looking up right
00:41:37 exactly I I Google but
00:41:42 it does say to destroy those places
00:41:45 where they worshiped right right I
00:41:49 completely agree and I’ve gotten
00:41:51 arguments and it’s supposed to dealing
00:41:53 with identity believer when I actually
00:41:55 quoted that to him because he was saying
00:41:58 because he’s a Buddhist also so that
00:42:00 might give out who he is if he know
00:42:02 enough
00:42:04 um he’s like we should keep all these
00:42:07 you know
00:42:08 sacred worship places of these other
00:42:10 traditions and I’m like tourist states
00:42:13 were supposed to destroy them and he he
00:42:17 didn’t he didn’t like me because he
00:42:20 claims he tries to fall a Torah and here
00:42:22 he was completely contradicting it
00:42:26 um so
00:42:27 well here’s something here’s another
00:42:29 something here’s another dealing with
00:42:31 the family member’s idolatry If thy
00:42:33 brother the son of thy mother or If thy
00:42:35 son or thy daughter or the wife of thy
00:42:38 bosom or thy friend or thy friend which
00:42:40 is and then
00:42:42 which has thine own soul entice thee
00:42:45 secretly saying let us go and serve
00:42:46 other gods which thou Hast not known
00:42:48 down where thy fathers namely of the
00:42:50 Gods of the people which around about
00:42:52 you nion to thee or far off from thee
00:42:54 from one end of the Earth even unto the
00:42:56 other end of the Earth Thou shalt not
00:42:58 consent unto them nor hearken unto them
00:43:00 neither shall thine I pity them neither
00:43:02 shalt thus spare neither shalt thou
00:43:04 conceal them
00:43:06 but Thou shalt utterly kill him
00:43:09 thine hand shall be first upon him to
00:43:12 put him to death and afterwards the hand
00:43:14 of all the people
00:43:17 and thou shalt Stone him with stones
00:43:19 that he die so these this is what is
00:43:22 supposed to happen to the Liars the
00:43:25 people who get us to say us after
00:43:26 strange things
00:43:28 even when they are of our own household
00:43:32 right because because he has sought to
00:43:35 it and threatened to thrust thee away
00:43:37 from the Lord thy God which brought thee
00:43:39 out of the land of Egypt from the house
00:43:41 of bondage and all the Israel shall hear
00:43:43 and fear and shall do no more any such
00:43:46 wickedness as this is among you that’s
00:43:50 in Deuteronomy 13 yeah and I would say
00:43:53 that even includes little white life
00:43:56 yep is any
00:43:58 degree of a lie that’s being talked
00:44:01 about there anyway
00:44:03 either a little white lie or one big
00:44:07 I don’t know what a phrase is so if your
00:44:09 wife asks you if that dress makes her
00:44:11 look fat what do you do uh you answer in
00:44:14 a way that’s not lying
00:44:15 [Laughter]
00:44:24 question but I’ve done that
00:44:26 um type of thing with my wife before I
00:44:29 don’t lie
00:44:32 um I they have what I when my wife would
00:44:36 ask me when my ex-wife would ask me
00:44:38 something like that I was like I think
00:44:40 this one makes you look better
00:44:45 you don’t have to directly answer the
00:44:49 question
00:44:50 I like the other one better
00:44:53 you should not lie anyways
00:44:59 um I mean in the scriptures there are
00:45:01 times when people ask Yahweh questions
00:45:05 he does not directly answer the question
00:45:09 he gives them
00:45:11 something else enough to to appease them
00:45:15 so that way he doesn’t have to come out
00:45:17 and answer and the thing the thing is or
00:45:19 whatever right when God commanded Sarah
00:45:23 to say that she was Abraham’s sister he
00:45:26 was not commanding her to lie no in that
00:45:28 culture she was considered a sister
00:45:31 they don’t have these uh additional
00:45:34 layers of family
00:45:36 definitions that we do today in fact
00:45:39 there was no grandpa that’s why you
00:45:42 don’t see in the old Hebrew scriptures
00:45:45 you should follow the ways of your
00:45:47 grandpa it’s because your grandpa is a
00:45:50 father to you
00:45:54 um and a cousin
00:45:56 or a niece
00:45:57 was a sister
00:46:00 yeah then so he didn’t lie
00:46:05 he was telling the truth
00:46:09 yeah when you
00:46:12 try to understand these things with how
00:46:14 we think about things today
00:46:18 you’ll you’ll bring things out that
00:46:21 weren’t really there
00:46:22 right yeah because I believe the
00:46:25 explanation that’s given is that she is
00:46:27 the daughter of my father’s brother
00:46:30 yeah which is a niece right
00:46:32 which is what we would call today Anis
00:46:35 right and I included cousin Anis that
00:46:38 that’s that’s a sister and that culture
00:46:41 at that day it wasn’t later that we uh
00:46:44 came up with these more defining words
00:46:47 in fact we even go further in that like
00:46:49 second cousins and uncles and third
00:46:53 cousins six times removed I had I don’t
00:46:57 understand that I’ll just be honest I
00:47:00 don’t understand how that works yeah in
00:47:03 the family history app for the LDS
00:47:05 church I keep finding all these people
00:47:06 in my ward who are my ninth cousin I’m
00:47:09 like what the freak yeah I I I don’t
00:47:13 understand
00:47:15 once or second or third time removes is
00:47:18 and I’ll be honest I don’t care
00:47:22 technology as the LDS church does it is
00:47:25 not of Yahweh in fact I actually believe
00:47:27 it’s of the occult looking for their
00:47:29 occult families
00:47:32 because that’s not how Yahweh works
00:47:34 well but it was through that that I
00:47:36 found out who might that I found out
00:47:38 what my is Israelites anyology is uh
00:47:41 sure uh we may get some good out of it
00:47:44 but the intention behind it is to in my
00:47:47 belief yeah to go get deals so the
00:47:50 occult is using their occult families
00:47:52 because right
00:47:54 part
00:47:56 Yahweh works with everybody and if
00:47:59 you’re not of Israel you will be adopted
00:48:02 of Israel once you become of the Same
00:48:04 Heart
00:48:05 right right
00:48:08 in fact Yeshua stated all makes
00:48:11 Believers out of these stones
00:48:14 right that’s true say not unto yourself
00:48:17 that you are seed unto Abraham for God
00:48:20 can raise up of these Stones seed unto
00:48:22 Abraham yeah
00:48:24 it’s
00:48:26 the literal lineage
00:48:30 doesn’t mean well and actually when you
00:48:33 think about that imagery with
00:48:35 the dust of the Earth being Satan’s
00:48:37 realm but God can raise from the dust
00:48:39 yeah that makes that part make a lot
00:48:42 more clear and also another thing that
00:48:44 just came to me at the same time is when
00:48:48 we’re sinning we want to be covered by
00:48:50 the rocks and here he is saying I’ll
00:48:52 make some other people Believers because
00:48:54 I’ll raise out the box and we’ll come
00:48:57 Believers which is Coming Out of the
00:48:59 Dust which is that imagery from
00:49:03 um Genesis right that is how he forms us
00:49:06 out of the Dust it’s
00:49:09 I I know and so apologize sorry go ahead
00:49:13 and so you see an atom in the creation
00:49:15 of Adam
00:49:16 you actually see also the creation of
00:49:19 the new man
00:49:20 in hitches yeah written from the Dust
00:49:24 and it’s
00:49:25 I I do believe there’s some literal
00:49:27 aspects to it okay I do believe it’s the
00:49:31 more important part is the spiritual
00:49:34 part of it that he will form each of us
00:49:37 out of Satan’s domain
00:49:39 mm-hmm
00:49:41 that’s the more important thing that
00:49:42 it’s teaching there but I know a lot of
00:49:44 apologists will try to come up with
00:49:48 it’s funny they’ll use
00:49:51 ever-changing modern science to show
00:49:53 that
00:49:55 um the Bible is true but they’re using
00:49:59 someone else’s tools to show that
00:50:02 someone else’s word is true so it
00:50:04 doesn’t really quite compute and with
00:50:07 with the
00:50:09 so why are we going to use something
00:50:11 that changes constantly to prove that
00:50:14 which does not change right I I’m
00:50:17 completely on the same page as you on
00:50:19 that pin and that’s what I was getting
00:50:20 at no I just I just I just find the
00:50:23 entire field of apologetics to be
00:50:25 exhausting
00:50:28 I wouldn’t say all of it but a lot of it
00:50:30 okay yeah
00:50:33 but it’s funny as I’ve seen modern
00:50:37 science change some
00:50:39 the Apologetics make excuses for the
00:50:42 Apologetics that they’ve used based off
00:50:45 of these changing science I I’m just
00:50:48 like you’re going about it the wrong way
00:50:50 that’s not what it is
00:50:52 no they’re not stupid
00:50:58 they said something wrong before and now
00:51:00 they’ve got to apologize so they’re
00:51:02 doing it exactly the way they’re
00:51:04 supposed to welcome to this week series
00:51:07 of Twisted logic yeah yeah so I’ll just
00:51:10 say one more on this the woman coming
00:51:12 out of the man’s side
00:51:14 is symbolic of the church coming out of
00:51:18 Yeshua yes yes the spirit
00:51:22 will prick us and purchase in our sight
00:51:26 right
00:51:27 mm-hmm and robosom
00:51:31 Yeshua was cracked on the cross that’s
00:51:34 yeah right
00:51:36 it was because for his love that he was
00:51:39 pricked and then he would created the
00:51:42 church to save those who would follow
00:51:44 him
00:51:46 and you know that’s an interesting who
00:51:47 came out of his side
00:51:49 and that’s the interesting thing is that
00:51:52 the church
00:51:55 has seen so many iterations throughout
00:51:58 time
00:52:00 sure it’s been there it’s been back it’s
00:52:04 been
00:52:07 their impartiality it’s been there in
00:52:10 fullness it’s been there and
00:52:12 various
00:52:15 um
00:52:17 because the law of Moses technically
00:52:23 was a was a sub-administration of the
00:52:26 church
00:52:27 uh it was right it was a punishment for
00:52:31 their disbelief yeah because well that’s
00:52:34 why I say it’s a sub-administration sure
00:52:36 sure and I am just
00:52:39 um using a term that I like more but
00:52:41 yeah I think we’re basically on the same
00:52:43 page on that right yes you are
00:52:46 um I I just I like the term punishment
00:52:49 because
00:52:51 punishments don’t have to be eternal no
00:52:54 that’s true right I mean even in the law
00:52:57 it states that he will punish people up
00:53:01 to the third and fourth generation
00:53:03 right oh there was a discussion about
00:53:06 that on the doctrine of Christ oh yeah
00:53:09 third and fourth generation apparently
00:53:11 that’s evidence of multiple mortal
00:53:13 probations
00:53:17 because
00:53:19 for the simple reason that um
00:53:27 that’s what I did when I when Matt read
00:53:29 that to me uh that’s what I that’s the
00:53:32 exact same thing that I did
00:53:34 um
00:53:36 they do because do they even know what a
00:53:38 generation is
00:53:41 well let’s let’s go to the dictionary I
00:53:45 I mean I I I know I’m stuttering here
00:53:49 it’s one of those this is just great it
00:53:53 is kind of crazy yeah because I I mean
00:53:56 we I’ll I’ll put in the notes my posts
00:53:59 and my are expounding of the scriptures
00:54:02 right of that it’s just so obvious from
00:54:05 the scriptures but this is where they’re
00:54:07 always learning and never coming to the
00:54:08 truth but let’s just
00:54:11 Generation Well it’s because rather than
00:54:14 embrace the law
00:54:16 they embrace the doctrine that makes it
00:54:19 so that they don’t have to live the law
00:54:22 yeah the funny thing let’s say it is
00:54:24 true just for um
00:54:26 for argument’s sake it’s not but let’s
00:54:28 just say for argument’s sake
00:54:30 if they don’t like it now why are they
00:54:32 going to like it later
00:54:34 right what’s going to magically change
00:54:37 yeah I I what what’s going to happen if
00:54:42 they don’t like it now
00:54:44 why are they gonna like it later
00:54:47 especially when one considers
00:54:50 that every time we enter that what that
00:54:55 once again we’re going from the
00:54:58 assumption that this is a true principle
00:54:59 though it’s not
00:55:01 yeah
00:55:02 right that’s what I’m saying every time
00:55:04 we come into this probation every time
00:55:07 we come into a probation we would have
00:55:10 the veil drawn over us we would have no
00:55:12 recollection of Our Lives before right
00:55:16 just drawing this from I’m just drawing
00:55:20 a logical conclusion based on this so
00:55:23 but we’re still the same people we still
00:55:25 have the same weaknesses we still have
00:55:27 the same
00:55:29 so we would not be any more inclined in
00:55:33 a second third fourth 115th life
00:55:37 to live the law right and we are now and
00:55:41 even on to add to that oh and yeah
00:55:44 Yeshua was a parable of the
00:55:49 um poor man going to Abraham’s bosom
00:55:52 and being saved but the rich man going
00:55:55 going to hell and the rich man wanted to
00:55:56 go back and tell his brother what what
00:55:59 what what did the rich brother have that
00:56:02 uh Yeshua told him that he had all he
00:56:04 need
00:56:05 oh yeah it’s the law Torah he already
00:56:08 had everything that he needed the law
00:56:10 and the prophets
00:56:11 yep
00:56:12 and they wouldn’t believe his
00:56:16 his own brother well the the whole and
00:56:18 and so this is another real born in the
00:56:22 side for those who say that the entire
00:56:24 law was nailed to the cross with Christ
00:56:28 because then we have no we don’t then we
00:56:30 have not what we need According To Jesus
00:56:32 Christ make the right decisions that
00:56:35 just me but Yeshua Nolan void
00:56:38 and that’s not the case right I mean we
00:56:40 can look at sermon on the on the Torah
00:56:43 I’m actually going to start calling it
00:56:46 that sermon on the Torah
00:56:47 um
00:56:48 no I I I’m I’m trying to think of ways
00:56:51 to make this stuff more obvious to
00:56:53 people but here’s the thing too Stephen
00:56:55 and this is a little
00:56:58 I tried nothing just popped into my head
00:57:01 sure
00:57:02 how is
00:57:04 I mean theoretically okay so let’s say
00:57:07 it’s real okay the the veil is drawn
00:57:11 over our minds how is God a just God
00:57:14 if the curse is being prolonged without
00:57:18 us having any knowledge of it because
00:57:20 the veil’s been drawn over our minds
00:57:25 um well that could be part of the
00:57:27 punishment but I’ll be honest I don’t
00:57:29 know anywhere in the law that it states
00:57:31 that a punishment is that
00:57:34 uh
00:57:36 uh you will forget what you did
00:57:39 um so
00:57:40 what I do know that goes along that way
00:57:43 in the law is uh when you repent he will
00:57:48 remember your offenses no more not that
00:57:51 he forgot him because he knows
00:57:52 everything but that’s a Hebrew idiom for
00:57:53 that he will never bring it up so he
00:57:55 doesn’t so this even even as I bring up
00:57:58 and expound that idiom it’s just that’s
00:58:00 how it is in English but what the Hebrew
00:58:02 mind reads that he knows that that just
00:58:04 means he won’t bring it up because he
00:58:06 can’t forget something and be
00:58:08 all-knowing right I mean it’s just
00:58:10 logically impossible and so if you think
00:58:12 about it it
00:58:14 even not knowing the idiom you would
00:58:16 know it means that he just won’t bring
00:58:18 it up right but yeah that’s the closest
00:58:21 thing to that but that’s after you
00:58:23 repeat I I I’m telling you there’s lots
00:58:26 of things that are there’s lots of
00:58:28 things in my life that I’m glad he won’t
00:58:29 be bringing up
00:58:31 uh I’m glad yeah lots of things
00:58:37 there are lots of things that have
00:58:39 happened that I have done in my life but
00:58:41 I’m glad you will not be bringing up
00:58:43 yeah for the past right right greatest
00:58:46 for the past this is the justification
00:58:49 this is the justification
00:58:51 this is what happens for every man who
00:58:55 is willing to who is willing to enter
00:58:58 into Covenant is the justification
00:59:02 yeah so here’s something that goes along
00:59:05 with this okay so from Torah
00:59:07 um when
00:59:10 Jacob went back to his home land where
00:59:14 he came from his elder brother he was
00:59:17 worried about
00:59:20 um
00:59:20 his elder brother accepting him AKA
00:59:23 Yeshua right
00:59:25 um and and part of to appease his anger
00:59:30 that he may have right he gave him
00:59:34 things which I haven’t figured this part
00:59:37 completely out but the bit I have the
00:59:39 basic idea
00:59:41 he gave him things
00:59:43 that point us to yeshua’s righteousness
00:59:46 yeah okay yeshua’s sacrifice his life
00:59:51 not his own
00:59:53 but yeshua’s just like the Book of
00:59:55 Mormon teaches
00:59:56 right
00:59:58 um it doesn’t come out and say it but
00:59:59 when you learn the meaning behind these
01:00:01 symbols and I haven’t figured out for
01:00:03 every single one like a camel I I
01:00:05 haven’t figured out the camera one yet
01:00:07 but anyways but we do know that but we
01:00:10 do know that prophets that
01:00:12 um
01:00:13 judeum prophets were known to wear and
01:00:16 were known to wear garments and camel’s
01:00:18 hairs
01:00:19 Joan the Baptist so maybe that’s part of
01:00:22 the key for what it means
01:00:24 because John
01:00:28 that is a good point
01:00:30 um that’s something we should look more
01:00:31 into but before we do that let’s let’s
01:00:34 finish this thought and then maybe do
01:00:36 Sacrament okay yeah I I think Sacrament
01:00:39 would be a really great thing yeah yeah
01:00:41 well so do I it’s like the only thing I
01:00:43 really push on this right but anyways
01:00:46 let’s look at Generations just to finish
01:00:48 the thought for the uh I don’t want to
01:00:52 do what is right thought right right
01:00:55 because I’m just calling what it is
01:00:57 you’re right right pushing it because
01:01:00 they don’t want to do what is right now
01:01:03 they don’t want God telling them what to
01:01:06 do they want that they want to be able
01:01:08 to quote the sections Deuteronomy that
01:01:10 they can apply to the Church of Jesus
01:01:11 Christ of Latter-day Saints but then
01:01:13 they want to cut the rest of it out if
01:01:14 it applies to them
01:01:16 oh yeah that sounds like making God in
01:01:19 their own image and and being a
01:01:21 hypocritical which they’re claiming the
01:01:23 church for doing because they’re only
01:01:24 using what is in the scriptures to
01:01:26 condemn others but not themselves that’s
01:01:28 a hypocrite
01:01:32 this this doctrine of Christ groups are
01:01:36 twisting the doctrine
01:01:41 that’s anyways
01:01:43 um because the doctrine is meant to
01:01:45 convict you if you’re not meant to
01:01:46 convict everybody else
01:01:48 right
01:01:50 at the Judgment bar
01:01:52 be able to no
01:01:56 um
01:01:57 we did read how we’re supposed to call
01:01:59 out repentance right
01:02:02 but that’s not what saves you at the
01:02:04 Judgment bar no
01:02:07 um because if all you do is call out
01:02:11 repentance but you haven’t repented uh
01:02:13 Yeshua spoke about that in sermon of the
01:02:17 Torah in Matthew 7.
01:02:19 and also in ether it talks about people
01:02:22 like that
01:02:24 he said that they were just under the
01:02:25 people but not unto themselves oh yeah
01:02:28 yeah with the king
01:02:30 um one of the Kings that’s a very good
01:02:31 point I hadn’t yeah that’s a good I’m
01:02:33 gonna have to say that one in notes uh
01:02:35 thank you that’s a good one and that’s
01:02:37 one from The Book of Mormon even which
01:02:39 makes it a little bit stronger for the
01:02:40 restorationists right yes so yeah it’s
01:02:44 there too but let’s let’s finish this
01:02:46 definition of generation
01:02:49 um
01:02:51 yeah production formulation generation
01:02:54 of
01:02:56 as as yeah
01:02:59 a single session and a natural
01:03:03 dissent as children of the same parents
01:03:06 hence and age this we say the third the
01:03:10 fourth or tenth generation so that’s
01:03:13 that’s people birthing right right
01:03:17 um no a generation is literally
01:03:22 your parents generate Offspring yeah
01:03:26 yeah
01:03:28 um
01:03:28 or you as a parrot generate tough
01:03:32 straight that’s the Next Generation
01:03:35 right and so
01:03:39 as in trying to tie how that doesn’t go
01:03:42 along with reincarnation it’s
01:03:44 um that’s a whole nother
01:03:47 star in fact
01:03:49 if
01:03:51 reincarnation is true which it’s not
01:03:54 um
01:03:56 you’re not in the way that Brigham Young
01:03:58 teaches it right which is wrong
01:04:01 um
01:04:02 the first Adam
01:04:05 is not birthed he’s just
01:04:08 well actually Brigham Young thought he
01:04:10 was birthed there right so
01:04:13 [Music]
01:04:15 that wouldn’t go against that because
01:04:17 that still is going with the generation
01:04:19 so I I mean I disagree with
01:04:22 reincarnation but I’m trying to see how
01:04:24 to really point out how this definition
01:04:25 would contradict that and like that
01:04:29 here’s here’s the thing
01:04:31 the reason how can it be
01:04:34 the third and fourth generation
01:04:38 when how can it be the you know say the
01:04:41 Next Generation those still those same
01:04:44 people are still on the Earth
01:04:47 when that next Generation comes in
01:04:49 they’re not dead
01:04:52 they didn’t magically transmit their
01:04:54 souls didn’t magically transmigrate into
01:04:56 their children
01:04:58 uh so I I agree with you on that I I’m
01:05:02 just trying to think of a concrete week
01:05:04 way to
01:05:06 show how generation is cannot be applied
01:05:09 to reincarnation because we’re on the
01:05:11 same page
01:05:12 the tricky part is understanding
01:05:16 and trying to think the way that they do
01:05:18 well enough that you could bring out
01:05:21 something like this to show that it goes
01:05:24 against what they’re seeing and
01:05:27 um I think the definition of generation
01:05:31 itself does not go against it enough
01:05:33 because no it does not
01:05:36 um
01:05:37 it doesn’t prove it’s true but with how
01:05:41 Brigham Young teaches that the first
01:05:43 atom is actually birth AK has a a belly
01:05:47 button I remember arguing about that
01:05:48 when I was a missionary right
01:05:51 anyway he did not have a belly button
01:05:54 but
01:05:56 um
01:05:56 anyways because he was placed here it
01:06:00 was not birth but in fact the book of
01:06:02 Moses actually on that point book of
01:06:03 Moses actually states that he was
01:06:06 created from
01:06:07 the dust I think probably in a direct
01:06:09 enough way to disprove that theory from
01:06:13 Brigham Young right yeah
01:06:16 that maybe this will be the last part on
01:06:17 this before we do Sacrament
01:06:19 um do you guys know where that is and
01:06:20 Moses off top of your head
01:06:26 Moses two per either three
01:06:31 um because I think there’s other more
01:06:33 important things to do
01:06:34 than this but I I mean
01:06:37 it was brought up so
01:06:39 and because
01:06:42 if we can just prove Brigham Young’s
01:06:44 Theory and how Adam and Eve was placed I
01:06:47 mean I have some in the Book of Mormon
01:06:48 that we can look at
01:06:50 um but I would say just proves it
01:06:53 um but the more we have on that would
01:06:56 help show that
01:06:59 um how they could possibly use
01:07:01 generation with Brigham Young’s
01:07:03 definition
01:07:04 should not apply because it goes against
01:07:07 restoration scriptures right so Moses
01:07:11 um but well maybe while you’re looking
01:07:13 that up I’ll show the ones I have from
01:07:14 The Book of Mormon real quick okay no
01:07:16 that’ll be great that’d be great um
01:07:21 because this this goes along with Adam
01:07:23 God
01:07:24 all right
01:07:26 so
01:07:28 second Nephi two now my sons I speak
01:07:32 unto you these things for you to for
01:07:35 your profit and learning right
01:07:38 for your benefit and learning for there
01:07:41 is uh Elohim and he
01:07:44 he created all things both the heavens
01:07:48 and the Earth and all things that in
01:07:49 them are both things to act and things
01:07:51 to be acted on to bring about his
01:07:53 eternal purposes in the end of man which
01:07:55 is purpose of man right after he created
01:07:58 our ah look after he created his first
01:08:02 parents created that’s not birthing
01:08:05 right
01:08:08 um so this is Elohim right here right
01:08:11 oops
01:08:13 created
01:08:16 mm-hmm
01:08:18 that’s not birthing and the Beast of the
01:08:20 field and the fowls of the air and find
01:08:22 things which are created so if you think
01:08:27 created means birthing the Yahweh birth
01:08:30 the animals too
01:08:33 um that’s gross
01:08:35 all right I’m just saying if they’re
01:08:38 gonna say
01:08:39 created here means birthing
01:08:42 yeah here’s what it created just
01:08:45 part of the same sentence that are you
01:08:48 changing the definition I I know but you
01:08:52 know what I’m saying yeah I know it is
01:08:54 gross but I’m just trying to bring out
01:08:57 how they can’t why they shouldn’t be
01:08:59 able to use to change right now here we
01:09:02 are Moses chapter 3 verse 7. okay let’s
01:09:05 go there since we’re
01:09:08 been did his homework
01:09:10 anyways just to be a little funny
01:09:13 it was first
01:09:16 chapter 3 verse 7.
01:09:18 and I the Lord God
01:09:21 formed man from the dust of the ground
01:09:23 and breathed into his nostrils the
01:09:25 breath of light
01:09:27 and Man became a living Soul the first
01:09:29 flesh upon the Earth the first man also
01:09:32 from the formed I the Lord God formed
01:09:36 man from the dust of the ground
01:09:38 that’s not perfect I the Lord God caused
01:09:41 man to be born from a woman
01:09:43 yeah it says I the Lord God formed man
01:09:47 from the dust of the ground and breathed
01:09:49 into his nostrils the Breath of Life
01:09:52 and Man became a living Soul the first
01:09:54 flesh upon the upon the Earth
01:09:56 now first man also nevertheless all
01:09:58 things were were before created but
01:10:01 spiritually were they created and made
01:10:04 according to my word
01:10:06 and I the Lord God planted the garden
01:10:08 Eastward needy and there I put the man
01:10:11 whom I had formed
01:10:15 oh let’s oh
01:10:18 wait
01:10:21 yeah so much created formed doesn’t say
01:10:25 anything here birthed
01:10:28 foreign
01:10:37 the scriptures are Baseline revelation
01:10:41 we’re supposed to go beyond
01:10:44 apparently
01:10:46 I read that just before I came in here
01:10:48 too oh cool these these theories are
01:10:51 getting more messed up
01:10:53 um
01:10:55 you’re supposed to go in them more to
01:10:59 see the Mysteries the Book of Mormon
01:11:01 States the Mysteries are in Torah yes
01:11:06 um and we can I don’t want to Sidetrack
01:11:08 on that one because I have things I I
01:11:11 really want to focus on more important
01:11:12 but here perhaps the other formed in
01:11:14 this chapter and out of the ground I
01:11:17 Yahweh Elohim formed every beast of the
01:11:21 field using formed the same way so if
01:11:24 exactly the same birth same concept I
01:11:27 brought up with second Nephi 2 does that
01:11:28 mean he birthed the animals
01:11:33 that’s gross I I I exactly
01:11:39 if he did that what does Yahweh look
01:11:42 like
01:11:43 I mean if you believe either three and
01:11:46 four and many other accounts right he
01:11:49 looks exactly like that it really feels
01:11:52 the Beast and every fall of the air
01:11:54 no okay so let’s I think it’s also
01:11:58 interesting
01:11:59 that after he formed them then he had
01:12:02 Adam identify them
01:12:04 yes yeah
01:12:07 um
01:12:09 all right let’s just read a couple more
01:12:11 of these just real quick uh Alma 1836
01:12:14 when Emma said these words these began
01:12:16 at the creation of the world and also
01:12:20 creation of Adam
01:12:28 he Elohim created Adam
01:12:32 oh boy uh Moroni 10 3 creation of Adam
01:12:36 okay all right what about the term
01:12:39 procreation
01:12:42 come on it’s got creation as a part of
01:12:43 it right
01:12:47 um
01:12:49 [Laughter]
01:12:53 uh we could go look at those so on that
01:12:56 which I actually don’t want to because I
01:12:58 have other things I want to do right um
01:13:00 we could go look at the roots of the
01:13:02 word creation and procreation because
01:13:04 just because
01:13:06 these people will make connections that
01:13:09 aren’t there right and the actual
01:13:11 originally language and I would go along
01:13:13 with that lines if I wanted to spend
01:13:14 more on that but the act of creating the
01:13:18 act of causing to exist
01:13:20 the act of making
01:13:24 new combinations of matter
01:13:27 yeah that has nothing both of these have
01:13:29 nothing to do with sex the ACT is
01:13:31 investigating
01:13:34 reactive producing
01:13:36 things created
01:13:39 part of the things created yeah anyways
01:13:44 this this has nothing to do with the
01:13:47 sexual act no um
01:13:50 in my mind just looking at these verses
01:13:53 real quickly that destroys the idea they
01:13:56 could go from gender generation to
01:13:57 generation from
01:13:59 from
01:14:00 um one mortality to another right
01:14:04 or or multiple mortal probation or
01:14:07 Mortal probation or whatever the term
01:14:09 they want to use it right
01:14:11 mmps yes they have this thing about
01:14:16 eternity is only so long I can’t
01:14:17 remember exactly but
01:14:19 it’s created when it’s coming you’re not
01:14:21 a generation right so anyways
01:14:26 um with that maybe let’s pause and do
01:14:28 Sacrament and we can do some other stuff
01:14:30 uh give it a second
01:14:33 sounds great
01:14:36 okay so
01:14:38 then before we actually do Sacrament Ben
01:14:41 wants to look at the word form so I’m
01:14:44 gonna let him drive this one okay so the
01:14:47 shape or external appearance of body the
01:14:51 figure is defined by lines and angles
01:14:54 the manner of being peculiar in that
01:14:57 manner being peculiar to each body uh
01:15:00 when it ex which exhibits to the eye is
01:15:02 distinct from every other body
01:15:04 uh okay bad uh
01:15:06 it’s a matter of arranging particulars
01:15:08 disposition of particular things as a
01:15:10 form of words or Expressions a model
01:15:12 drought or pattern
01:15:15 I have formed many set pieces and
01:15:19 bookcases
01:15:21 by the work of my hands
01:15:23 not one of them
01:15:25 was birthed
01:15:28 forming is done
01:15:31 by the work of your hands
01:15:34 Beauty Elegance Splendor dignity you
01:15:37 have no former nor comeliness the the
01:15:40 once again there’s nothing here relating
01:15:42 to birth regularity
01:15:45 I I I’m just going to Sidetrack a little
01:15:48 bit I actually saw a Torah believer
01:15:52 other uh yesterday actually speculate
01:15:55 because he’s on this virgin birth
01:15:58 you’re right anyways but he’s like Adam
01:16:01 virgin birth
01:16:03 Eve from his side
01:16:07 oh my word it just as you’re reading
01:16:11 this it just reminded me of it because
01:16:13 you know birthing from his hands your
01:16:16 hands kind of like you’re going off as
01:16:18 he’s saying that Adam birthed Eve from
01:16:21 his rib yeah no it’s but you know but
01:16:26 this is the thing forming is work of the
01:16:28 hands or when you form something that’s
01:16:31 the work of the hands that’s that’s the
01:16:33 point regularity method order this is a
01:16:36 rough draft to be reduced to form right
01:16:39 but form
01:16:42 Eve was formed from the rib which means
01:16:46 from the work that Yahweh did
01:16:49 exactly the point that I brought out
01:16:51 that
01:16:52 that Eve and this allegory represents
01:16:56 the church
01:16:58 yes the church exists because of
01:17:00 yahweh’s works yeah
01:17:02 well and the thing about the the thing
01:17:05 about the creation story
01:17:07 is that it is both
01:17:10 there it has literal elements
01:17:16 but its primary value is in the allegory
01:17:20 correct that it presents he really did
01:17:24 create Adam and Eve and in the Book of
01:17:25 Mormon all throughout States our first
01:17:27 parents right but he formed them in the
01:17:31 same way that I have formed set pieces
01:17:35 and bookcases
01:17:38 through the work of his hands
01:17:41 formed them
01:17:43 yeah I agree with you and I unless they
01:17:47 think that God birthed
01:17:49 everything else
01:17:51 these multiple passages the one from
01:17:54 most uh in which case then in which case
01:17:57 they might as well go down to India and
01:18:00 become Hindu
01:18:02 well
01:18:04 um I think the universal church that’s
01:18:06 trying to be pushed even more is uh
01:18:09 would be okay with that and sadly I
01:18:11 think a lot of these
01:18:13 groups would actually be okay with it
01:18:16 all right
01:18:17 I mean I I’ve seen Torah people pushing
01:18:20 Buddhist Concepts
01:18:24 it’s sickening but anyways do you want
01:18:27 to read more definitions before we do
01:18:29 Sacrament all right regularity uh
01:18:33 external appearance without the
01:18:36 essential qualities empty show I don’t
01:18:38 know that that’s a good one but it might
01:18:39 uh it’s the shape right which is the
01:18:43 shape form
01:18:44 here’s an interesting
01:18:47 here’s an interesting one
01:18:49 stated method established practice
01:18:51 ritual or prescribed mode as the forms
01:18:55 of public worship or yeah formed us from
01:18:58 the dust yes exactly
01:19:01 ceremony at ceremony ceremony form
01:19:05 ceremony which is part of that
01:19:09 is worshiping Yahweh the way he
01:19:12 designates to be worshiped that’s true
01:19:15 and that is correct in fact that I’m
01:19:18 just going to drill this in a little bit
01:19:20 the the five good versions and the five
01:19:25 bad virgins
01:19:28 her wise versions yeah
01:19:30 um the big difference is will they
01:19:32 worship Yahweh
01:19:34 his way versus their own way
01:19:37 that’s right anyways
01:19:40 also determine its shape the Earth was
01:19:42 without form and void likeness image who
01:19:45 being in the form of God
01:19:47 each of us was created in the form of
01:19:49 God
01:19:52 um right and I know a lot of these
01:19:54 universalists will push that but
01:19:58 but it doesn’t
01:20:00 necessarily means
01:20:02 is that we have the same character as
01:20:06 Yahweh yeah well the thing is but we are
01:20:09 in the form of God
01:20:11 without
01:20:14 having the external appearance without
01:20:17 the essential qualities
01:20:19 correct and in the part that matters at
01:20:21 Judgment Day
01:20:23 is the qualities yep
01:20:26 whether we have adopted the qualities
01:20:28 because at that point we will have
01:20:30 become as God
01:20:32 or like and what does the scripture say
01:20:35 about recognizing them
01:20:38 because you would like him yeah and that
01:20:41 means we’ve taken on his qualities we’ve
01:20:43 taken on his name his authority and his
01:20:46 quality his which is his authority and
01:20:49 qualities yeah
01:20:51 um anyways okay
01:20:54 um so I keep reading definitions I think
01:20:58 I think we’re good at this point
01:21:00 yeah but there may be some I mean there
01:21:02 may be some to go back to but I’m I I
01:21:05 want to break I want to break bread at
01:21:08 the table of Christ that’s so do I so
01:21:10 I’m gonna pause
01:21:12 okay
01:21:13 so
01:21:15 um
01:21:17 uh unless someone has one in mind I
01:21:20 there is one I want to listen to
01:21:23 um
01:21:26 uh I’m trying to think the best way to
01:21:28 find it again I used to
01:21:31 recording yeah you’re still recording
01:21:34 Stephen that’s the wrong button
01:21:40 so
01:21:42 um
01:21:42 oh so
01:21:45 we don’t need that right now
01:21:47 to get us started so there’s a group of
01:21:49 us that’s been fasting and I I’m gonna
01:21:54 put Kesley on the spot here because she
01:21:57 I asked her to to share something
01:21:59 um and she agreed beforehand
01:22:02 um but I do want to
01:22:04 Ben looks funny I think they’re having
01:22:07 problems
01:22:09 I’m enjoying my internet problems I
01:22:12 think they’re pretty funny
01:22:14 [Laughter]
01:22:18 but that could be stricken from the red
01:22:22 our Nazarene Mormon group has been
01:22:25 regularly fasting recently and I’m gonna
01:22:28 I’m gonna put Kessler in the spot a
01:22:30 little bit
01:22:31 um do you think the fasting has helped
01:22:34 you see what you’re going to present on
01:22:39 yeah I do do you think that that’s been
01:22:41 a part of it
01:22:43 prayer just really praying hard before I
01:22:46 read the scriptures each time
01:22:48 and um
01:22:50 and just
01:22:52 having things explained to me about the
01:22:55 lot and then re rereading with new eyes
01:22:58 I feel like I’m gaining a lot more out
01:23:02 of the Book of Mormon than I ever did
01:23:04 before so you have eyes to see now
01:23:07 mm-hmm
01:23:09 yeah with that the time’s yours
01:23:12 okay well I’d read through a lot of
01:23:16 second Nephi this week and in fact I
01:23:18 read a few more chapters since I talked
01:23:21 to you last about it
01:23:23 you know found even more verses that I
01:23:26 thought were really applicable
01:23:29 but um the one that hit me hard when I
01:23:32 first saw it um was in second Nephi 2
01:23:35 and verse 13.
01:23:38 so uh second Nephi 2 chapter 2 right
01:23:42 chapter two yeah okay verse 13.
01:23:47 you want me to read it yeah unless you
01:23:51 want to have me I’m I’m happy to read it
01:23:52 for you if you want sure go ahead I’ll
01:23:54 let you read it in the note
01:23:57 if you shall say there is no law you
01:23:59 shall say there is no sin if you shall
01:24:02 say there is no sin you shall also say
01:24:05 there is no righteousness
01:24:06 and if there it be no righteousness
01:24:09 there be no happiness if there be no
01:24:12 righteousness
01:24:14 there’s a lot of missiles sorry nor
01:24:18 happiness speaking of this is there
01:24:20 shall be no punishment nor misery and if
01:24:23 there and if these things are not there
01:24:27 is no Elohim and if there is no Elohim
01:24:29 we are not therefore neither sorry
01:24:33 neither the Earth for there could have
01:24:37 been no creation of things
01:24:41 neither to act or nor to be acted upon
01:24:44 wherefore All Things Must Be have
01:24:47 vanished away
01:24:48 yeah
01:24:50 so yeah as I continue to read I mean I
01:24:53 think we talked about this a little bit
01:24:54 earlier tonight
01:24:56 um about how Lehi was teaching his sons
01:24:58 the law
01:24:59 and this was as he was passing right
01:25:02 this chapter and
01:25:05 um and yeah he was teaching his sons and
01:25:08 it’s
01:25:09 obvious that Jacob and and a couple you
01:25:12 know Nephi caught on to the law and
01:25:14 there was
01:25:15 some sons that did not but um
01:25:20 and then you know it explains later that
01:25:22 they they kept the law of Moses but
01:25:26 this verse right here explains that
01:25:29 there was a law put in place before the
01:25:30 law of Moses because there was not there
01:25:32 would have never even been a beginning
01:25:34 there wouldn’t be a god
01:25:36 there wouldn’t be a creek of the Earth
01:25:39 right and and I think just to interject
01:25:41 a little bit
01:25:42 um
01:25:43 it’s important to know as we read
01:25:46 through things
01:25:47 um that there’s a difference between
01:25:48 Torah and law of Moses mm-hmm right
01:25:52 because here this is the law that
01:25:55 they’re talking about here in verse 13
01:25:56 is Torah
01:25:59 and not the law of Moses yes Torah is
01:26:02 every word that proceeds from the mouth
01:26:03 of God
01:26:05 yeah yeah and it just to me I just
01:26:08 thought well people will probably sit
01:26:11 here and say well Jacob was keeping the
01:26:13 law of Moses so it must be talking about
01:26:14 the law of Moses but there’s no way that
01:26:17 it could be talking about the law of
01:26:18 Moses right because that’s otherwise you
01:26:20 know because this is talking about the
01:26:22 law that’s been laid down from the
01:26:23 beginning the law of Moses was only
01:26:26 right and
01:26:28 to to show uh that Ben’s statement is
01:26:32 correct and what Kesley is saying is
01:26:35 correct it’s from the creation of things
01:26:38 because this verse even brings out the
01:26:41 creation
01:26:43 um of things right yeah and the law of
01:26:47 Moses as Book of Mormon and New
01:26:49 Testament teaches came at Mount after
01:26:52 Mount Sinai
01:26:54 or you know right at the same point but
01:26:56 anyways it around that time around that
01:26:59 time because they were breaking it
01:27:01 before but anyways that’s another
01:27:02 subject I don’t want to Sidetrack us on
01:27:05 that from a Catholic
01:27:06 yeah
01:27:07 okay and then I remember I I’ve I’ve
01:27:10 done a lot of underlining I can’t
01:27:12 remember what all I’ve I’ve read here
01:27:14 through all of this but let me just kind
01:27:16 of stop as I see some of my notes and my
01:27:19 scriptures
01:27:21 um so then chapter four I loved chapter
01:27:24 four I thought that was such a such a
01:27:27 great chapter of his testimony but uh
01:27:30 so the first half is specifically a lot
01:27:33 of people call the Psalms of Nephi just
01:27:35 FYI okay not so much the first half
01:27:40 um but for sure okay yeah yeah
01:27:45 um I I noticed in verse 13 and 14. it
01:27:49 said and it came to pass that not many
01:27:51 days after his death Layman and Lemuel
01:27:53 and the sons of Ishmael were angry with
01:27:55 me because of the admonitions of the
01:27:56 Lord
01:27:57 for inefai was constrained to speak unto
01:28:00 them according to his word for I had
01:28:02 spoken many things unto them and also my
01:28:04 father before his death many of which
01:28:07 sayings were written upon mine other
01:28:09 plates for a more history part are
01:28:13 written upon nine other plates I just
01:28:15 that stuck out to me because I had
01:28:18 written here in my notes that people
01:28:20 will always hate you for teaching the
01:28:22 law
01:28:23 and that’s
01:28:24 what was happening right here
01:28:27 yeah
01:28:28 um and I if I remember correctly in to
01:28:31 go along with this because this is kind
01:28:34 of right during just before Nephi’s
01:28:37 death so just to
01:28:39 show your thunder at the very least
01:28:42 they’ll look at you as a fool if you
01:28:43 keep talking if you keep teaching them
01:28:45 along yeah at the very least
01:28:48 but personally if I
01:28:51 I mean second thing by one Lehigh
01:28:53 actually
01:28:56 um
01:29:00 or or is it two but one I’m pretty sure
01:29:03 one of these two chapters
01:29:04 Lehigh actually states that you’re
01:29:07 blaming Nephi but Nephi was filled of
01:29:10 the spirit when speaking those things
01:29:12 that pricked your heart that made you
01:29:15 mad
01:29:16 it’s uh right here
01:29:18 verse 27 uh 26 and 27. and he had
01:29:23 murmured because he has been playing
01:29:25 unto you
01:29:27 with plain being the Hebrew idiom for he
01:29:30 has spoken the Commandments his spoken
01:29:32 Torah
01:29:33 you say that he hath used sharpness you
01:29:37 say that he hath been angry with you but
01:29:39 behold his sharpness was the sharpness
01:29:41 of the power of the word of God Torah
01:29:44 which was in him and that which he call
01:29:47 anger was the truth according to that
01:29:49 which is in God
01:29:51 well which is in Elohim
01:29:53 that he could not restrain manifesting
01:29:56 boldly concerning your iniquities and it
01:29:59 must needs be that the power of Elohim
01:30:01 must be with him even other is
01:30:04 commanding you that you must obey but
01:30:06 behold it was not he but it was the
01:30:09 spirit of Yahweh
01:30:12 which was in him which opened the mouth
01:30:16 the utterance opened his mouth to
01:30:18 utterance so he could not shed
01:30:22 so just to go with what you’re saying
01:30:24 along with it’s right here in the
01:30:26 context of what you’re bringing it out
01:30:28 from
01:30:30 Nephi was speaking the law Torah to them
01:30:33 and that’s what made them angry right
01:30:36 just to give you support of what you’re
01:30:38 saying yeah yeah
01:30:43 um
01:30:44 yeah but throughout a lot of these
01:30:46 chapters I just I noticed a lot of
01:30:49 things pointing to the law
01:30:51 um let’s see
01:30:53 moving on
01:30:56 I know there was
01:30:59 one and I think chapter eight
01:31:02 yeah
01:31:04 um
01:31:06 so verse
01:31:09 let me see
01:31:11 yeah versus I I started at underlining
01:31:15 here in verse six I went through seven
01:31:16 and eight
01:31:19 um I’ll just read the last half of six
01:31:21 because that’s where I underlined but it
01:31:22 said but my salvation shall be forever
01:31:25 and my righteousness shall not be
01:31:27 abolished
01:31:28 so
01:31:30 um hearken unto me ye that know
01:31:32 righteousness the people in whose heart
01:31:34 I have written my law fear ye not the
01:31:38 reproach of men neither be ye afraid of
01:31:40 their revilings
01:31:42 and then eight seven five eight six
01:31:46 yes
01:31:48 yep
01:31:49 this is actually this is also Isaiah
01:31:52 chapter 15. yeah he’s reading yeah
01:31:55 quoting Isaiah here
01:32:00 um
01:32:03 okay all right
01:32:08 did you find where I was
01:32:10 um well you said six and
01:32:13 you’re reading it and maybe I just
01:32:15 missed it but that’s fine yeah I started
01:32:17 at the end of
01:32:19 my salvation right there it is there
01:32:22 there it is
01:32:24 I wasn’t finding it fast enough my bad
01:32:28 okay
01:32:31 my salvation shall be forever and my
01:32:33 righteousness shall not be abolished
01:32:35 so
01:32:37 that tells me that
01:32:39 I love I love verse seven
01:32:42 well just real quick so we’re saved by
01:32:44 yeshua’s righteousness
01:32:46 but at the same time if we truly have a
01:32:50 broken heart and contrite spirit
01:32:53 which is the requirement for his
01:32:55 atonement to to be applied for you
01:32:59 you will do righteous works right
01:33:03 yep
01:33:05 and how is
01:33:06 righteous and unrighteous defined as we
01:33:09 looked at second eight by two
01:33:11 cool Kesley bring out I think it was
01:33:14 first 13 if my short-term memory
01:33:16 remembers correctly
01:33:19 you’re right it’s defined by the law
01:33:21 it’s defined by the law
01:33:23 so if there is no law there is no
01:33:25 righteousness
01:33:27 right there is no sin and if there’s no
01:33:29 sin why do you need a savior because
01:33:31 that’s one thing I say to a lot of
01:33:33 people
01:33:34 if there’s no law there’s no sin and
01:33:37 what do you need to stay here but
01:33:38 anyways
01:33:41 right
01:33:42 yeah so hearken unto me
01:33:45 this the people in his heart I have
01:33:47 written my law
01:33:49 fear ye not the reproach of men neither
01:33:51 be ye afraid of their revilings
01:33:55 and Hillary equates and in verse 8 he
01:33:57 equates his law with his righteousness
01:33:59 for the moths shall eat them up like a
01:34:02 garment and the worm shall eat them like
01:34:04 wool but my righteousness shall be
01:34:06 forever and my salvation from generation
01:34:10 to generation so this is just a side
01:34:13 note
01:34:14 that’s probably the imagery at benidi
01:34:17 was using with King Noah right there
01:34:23 right
01:34:27 it’s also it’s also imagery used in the
01:34:31 uh
01:34:33 piercings of Deuteronomy for the wicked
01:34:35 who will not keep his law
01:34:38 did they use a garment there
01:34:41 they didn’t use garment but they did use
01:34:46 uh
01:34:49 error symptoms
01:34:52 there’s a lot of people a lot of the
01:34:55 play he uses the place oh yeah like the
01:34:57 Crickets the fact they shall those and
01:34:59 thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own
01:35:01 body and the Flesh of thy sons and thy
01:35:03 daughters uh uh so on this
01:35:06 um I didn’t know this was from
01:35:09 Deuteronomy 28 at the time but the first
01:35:12 thing that Yahweh put in my heart they
01:35:14 got me that really pushed me to do uh
01:35:17 King Brigham post
01:35:19 was the quick access locusts
01:35:23 yep which isn’t Deuteronomy 28th but
01:35:26 anyway which was the curse in the valley
01:35:28 when they recently arrived yeah
01:35:32 um which Yahweh applied to the Salt Lake
01:35:35 Valley right but anyways that’s another
01:35:37 subject I don’t want to Sidetrack for us
01:35:39 no if Kesley Side Tracks that’s fine but
01:35:42 not me sorry well I’m I’m just pointing
01:35:45 out all the verses in these next few
01:35:47 chapters that just really were strong at
01:35:49 pointing at it so if you’ll turn to
01:35:52 chapter 9 verse 25.
01:35:56 second you play yeah yeah
01:36:00 okay
01:36:03 oh yeah
01:36:05 yeah anyone else can read it if you want
01:36:08 wherefore he is given a law and where
01:36:11 there is no law given there is no
01:36:12 punishment where there is no punishment
01:36:14 there is no condemnation where there is
01:36:17 no condemnation the mercies of the Holy
01:36:19 One of Israel have claimed upon them
01:36:20 because of the atonement for they are
01:36:22 delivered by the power of him
01:36:25 so well that’s actually that’s actually
01:36:27 something against Temple work for the
01:36:29 Dead
01:36:30 uh exactly but more what I was going to
01:36:33 say just kind of go along with the
01:36:35 subject or things that we already read
01:36:38 um this is where I believe Nephi got his
01:36:42 statement from second Nephi 13. right
01:36:46 it’s pretty much the exact same thing
01:36:49 just worded slightly different right
01:36:53 but yeah
01:36:55 yes
01:36:56 um
01:37:02 um I’m not sure how you want to expand
01:37:05 real quick while you see this is a
01:37:07 condemnation against work for the Dead
01:37:12 um
01:37:13 well why do we do the work for the Dead
01:37:17 so that they could have access to the
01:37:20 atonement right the atoning the uh
01:37:27 and we do this for all the dead whether
01:37:29 they had the law or not
01:37:32 technically most of them never did
01:37:36 um well I would argue they did because
01:37:38 we’re on i-7 as we talked yeah that’s
01:37:40 true the um Light of Christ
01:37:44 all all adults yeah all adults yeah AKA
01:37:49 men men adult the same thing right yeah
01:37:52 but when you do a different different
01:37:55 um but when you baptized it
01:37:58 when you baptize uh when you baptize
01:38:01 infants for the dead seal dude ceilings
01:38:04 for the dead this is basically saying
01:38:07 yeah you do not you do not believe
01:38:10 that the mercies of the Holy One of
01:38:13 Israel have claim upon them unless you
01:38:15 do these unless you do all of these dead
01:38:17 Works which for which there is no
01:38:19 justification within scripture
01:38:22 well
01:38:30 so I I believe the works for the dead is
01:38:33 wrong okay you know where there is but
01:38:36 where there is a reverse directly so
01:38:39 where there is no punishment there is no
01:38:42 condemnation if there’s no condemnation
01:38:44 there’s no need for an ordinance to help
01:38:47 them Escape condemnation okay so but
01:38:50 that would only apply for the infants
01:38:53 and
01:38:55 you know and up to eight right or give
01:38:59 or take
01:39:00 um
01:39:02 I I don’t think they baptize and do
01:39:06 ordinances for infants
01:39:10 yeah no I don’t think you they do do uh
01:39:14 stuff like ceilings and what have you
01:39:17 okay but I I think that’s a little
01:39:19 different
01:39:20 um which is they’re wrong too and I’ve
01:39:22 written against but I don’t think they
01:39:25 do
01:39:27 baptisms and
01:39:30 um whatnot for them so no I don’t no
01:39:33 they don’t they do the ceilings though
01:39:35 okay well fair enough that’s that’s
01:39:37 another subject of which well maybe it’s
01:39:40 not particularly within the scripture
01:39:42 but it’s
01:39:43 I mean except maybe tangentially but
01:39:46 still whatever that’s for sure I I
01:39:49 overall I’m with you Ben I just I’m not
01:39:53 seeing it in the verse is all yeah
01:39:55 remember technicalities
01:39:58 it’s for sure but my point is
01:40:02 unless someone’s on the same page as you
01:40:04 you can’t bring it out from that verse
01:40:06 that’s true that’s what I’m getting at
01:40:09 I see yeah
01:40:11 because if you went to someone who
01:40:13 believed differently you can’t teach
01:40:15 that from this verse that’s true
01:40:18 um that’s my point we’re on the same
01:40:20 page about the works for the dead and I
01:40:23 I’m out there on it I have blog posts on
01:40:25 it but I
01:40:28 I don’t see it in the verse okay no no I
01:40:32 mean yeah I
01:40:34 mean the thing is
01:40:37 I guess what I’m my mind is just
01:40:42 I guess I just left ahead
01:40:44 it’s making connections there there’s
01:40:46 there’s nothing wrong with making
01:40:48 connections
01:40:50 no no I guess my big point is
01:40:54 female to
01:40:56 show that to someone who doesn’t believe
01:40:58 it from the verse that’s my big point
01:41:01 right yeah
01:41:03 uh because over I I completely agree
01:41:06 with you that the with the principle and
01:41:08 the concept I just I don’t see how we
01:41:12 can teach it to someone who doesn’t
01:41:14 believe that from that specific verse
01:41:16 okay
01:41:18 um basically what you might want to do
01:41:21 then is maybe try and do a scripture tie
01:41:24 or something
01:41:25 another verse that you could tie this
01:41:28 one it does start it does die very
01:41:31 easily back to Moroni chapter 8 but
01:41:34 and that’s just what I was asking for
01:41:37 fun because I I I’m always looking for
01:41:41 new verses that to prove that
01:41:45 um I just I don’t see how you could
01:41:47 specifically prove that with this one
01:41:49 sorry right well
01:41:53 it doesn’t then well yeah no in that
01:41:57 case
01:41:58 don’t worry about it then okay sorry
01:42:00 okay sorry
01:42:07 you don’t see how it could be done
01:42:10 and clearly I wasn’t able to convince
01:42:12 you that it could be done so uh don’t
01:42:14 worry about it okay all right
01:42:17 [Laughter]
01:42:21 and jumping forward again to chapter 11
01:42:24 I
01:42:25 mean first was so obvious about the law
01:42:27 of Moses and the love Torah are separate
01:42:30 okay
01:42:33 or
01:42:35 behold my soul delighteth improving unto
01:42:38 my people the truth of the coming of
01:42:39 Christ for for this end hath the law of
01:42:42 Moses been given so there’s there’s the
01:42:45 reason for the law of Moses and all
01:42:47 things which have been given of God from
01:42:49 the beginning of the world unto man
01:42:52 are the uh typifying of him
01:42:55 right and because the whole purpose of
01:42:58 the law of Moses is to prove of yeshua’s
01:43:01 or
01:43:03 um
01:43:04 to point the Israelites to yeshua’s
01:43:07 First coming that’s probably a better
01:43:09 way of saying it yeah
01:43:14 point
01:43:16 they totally missed the point
01:43:19 um because
01:43:21 along with that
01:43:23 Torah
01:43:25 I believe is still valid does not point
01:43:27 to yeshua’s First coming
01:43:29 no no
01:43:30 in any form or fashion sorry does it
01:43:34 destroy Point more to his second coming
01:43:38 and points to judgment nine yeah toward
01:43:41 points to yeah
01:43:45 uh judgment and justification and
01:43:48 sanctification yes
01:43:51 um
01:43:53 those those who um
01:43:56 those who observe it is to their
01:44:00 justification and sanctification those
01:44:03 who do not observe it it is to their
01:44:05 judgment and Damnation yes correct but
01:44:09 either way it’s a judgment right either
01:44:11 way it’s a judgment upon us
01:44:17 yeah what is the purpose of the law what
01:44:20 is the purpose of law
01:44:25 it is to judge
01:44:28 yeah but that’s ultimately in the end it
01:44:31 is to judge okay yeah I can see how
01:44:35 verse I can see how verse 4 clearly
01:44:37 delineates between law of Moses and
01:44:39 Torah
01:44:41 because here it says here and for this
01:44:43 end half the law of Moses been given
01:44:46 and then clear break and all things
01:44:49 which have been given of God from the
01:44:51 beginning of the world unto man are
01:44:52 typifying of him right right and and if
01:44:55 we get time at the end I want to show
01:44:57 you one that
01:44:59 um that was given to me uh the other day
01:45:03 but
01:45:05 um
01:45:07 coming of Christ that’s referring to the
01:45:10 first coming
01:45:11 and this is the end of the law of Moses
01:45:14 right this is not proving and that’s a
01:45:18 real that’s that’s a real like
01:45:21 flag this end
01:45:24 and
01:45:26 on purpose in this case right and his
01:45:29 purpose half the law Moses been given
01:45:31 yeah
01:45:33 they can recognize the first coming yes
01:45:38 which has purpose is purpose and I think
01:45:42 there’s a double meaning there uh I
01:45:44 think he’s a double meeting there I’m
01:45:46 gonna Sidetrack us a little bit because
01:45:48 if that’s okay with Kesley yep and
01:45:52 so you know there’s the alma I mean
01:45:55 second Nephi eleven four uh right right
01:45:58 there but
01:45:59 um I I went to go make sure I had that
01:46:02 one because I I want to collect these
01:46:04 ones but anyways
01:46:06 um
01:46:07 uh I I don’t know why that went
01:46:10 it’s
01:46:12 I’m still learning things about Zoom but
01:46:14 anyways
01:46:16 um Alma 34 to go along with this
01:46:19 yeah
01:46:21 um
01:46:22 but this is to to give emphasis what
01:46:25 Kesley just stated okay so this is not a
01:46:27 side track this is evidences
01:46:30 and I’ll just read the last part and
01:46:34 someone’s gone
01:46:38 when John the Baptist said Behold the
01:46:41 Lamb of God
01:46:42 he was not talking about the Passover
01:46:44 land he was talking about the law of
01:46:48 Moses lamb the daily performances and
01:46:51 ordinances
01:46:52 and I’ll just read this last part and
01:46:55 unless
01:46:56 we want to read the Fulfillment of
01:46:58 Daniel 9.
01:46:59 correct well
01:47:02 the Pinnacle of Daniel 9 the Pinnacle
01:47:05 not all of Daniel 9 the Pinnacle
01:47:08 um
01:47:10 but every wit
01:47:12 pointing
01:47:14 to that great last sacrifice
01:47:21 and the great last sacrifice will be the
01:47:23 son of Elohim ye infinite and eternal
01:47:28 this is
01:47:32 emphasizing what Kesley is bringing out
01:47:34 from
01:47:36 his first and second Nephi
01:47:39 the law of Moses is typifying
01:47:43 of yeshua’s
01:47:45 atonement
01:47:50 the Lamb of God
01:47:53 and so the sin there is actually a real
01:47:57 Sin in saints that salvation comes by
01:47:59 the law of Moses because it’s saying
01:48:00 that the type is the real thing
01:48:05 yeah
01:48:07 um
01:48:12 the punishment known as laws Moses was
01:48:16 given
01:48:17 such that
01:48:20 the Israelites would recognize the
01:48:23 Messiah
01:48:24 after he did his sacrifice
01:48:27 because
01:48:32 they knew they would look at the wrong
01:48:34 thing and mosiah 13 brings that out
01:48:38 um
01:48:42 did they think the law of Moses was
01:48:45 going to save them the the animal
01:48:48 sacrifices
01:48:49 um 12 or 13 brings it out let me
01:48:53 I think it’s 13.
01:49:02 hey even a very strict law or there were
01:49:05 stiff neck people
01:49:06 predicted to do iniquity and slow to
01:49:08 remember the Lord their God
01:49:09 therefore there was a law given them you
01:49:12 know love mode of performances and
01:49:14 ordinances
01:49:16 a law whichever to observe strictly from
01:49:18 day to day to keep them in remembrance
01:49:20 of God in their Duty accordion
01:49:23 you know
01:49:29 okay here I think they did not
01:49:32 understand the law of Moses
01:49:34 the types of things to come
01:49:36 and this because of the hardness of
01:49:38 their hearts for they understood not
01:49:39 that they could not any man be saved
01:49:43 except it was through the Redemption of
01:49:45 Elohim
01:49:47 for behold they did
01:49:49 not Moses prophesy unto them concerning
01:49:52 the coming of the Messiah
01:49:54 that the Elohim should redeem his people
01:50:01 and that’s going back to Isaiah and we
01:50:04 can look at that if you want
01:50:08 even all the prophets who have
01:50:10 prophesied ever since the world began
01:50:12 have they not spoken more or less of
01:50:15 these things
01:50:17 no this
01:50:21 day to day is it a key phrase and
01:50:25 um
01:50:28 an understanding the law about us
01:50:33 yeah
01:50:34 I’m just trying to see if I I don’t
01:50:36 remember which one of these things have
01:50:38 it oh it’s this one
01:50:43 the Lord’s back on the bus can you read
01:50:45 it Ben
01:50:46 the Lord speak unto Moses saying command
01:50:49 the children of Israel and say unto them
01:50:51 my offering and my bread for my
01:50:53 sacrifices made by fire and put a sweet
01:50:56 savior unto me you shall observe the
01:50:58 offer unto me in their new season and
01:51:01 thou shalt say unto them this is the
01:51:04 offering made by fire which he shall
01:51:06 offer unto the Lord two lambs of the
01:51:09 first year without spot day by day for a
01:51:13 continual bird offering and one the one
01:51:15 lamb shout thou offer in the morning and
01:51:17 the other lamb shalt thou offer it even
01:51:19 and a tenth part of an IFA a flower for
01:51:22 a meat offering mingled with the fourth
01:51:24 part of a hint of beaten oil
01:51:26 it is a continual bird offering which
01:51:29 was ordained on mounts in Mount Sinai
01:51:31 for a sweet saber sacrifice made by fire
01:51:34 unto the Lord and the drink offering
01:51:36 thereof shall be a fourth part of an inn
01:51:39 for the one lamb and the holy part and
01:51:42 the holy Place shalt that cause to be
01:51:44 caused the strong wine to be poured unto
01:51:46 the Lord for a drink offering and the
01:51:48 other lamb shalt thou offer it even in
01:51:51 the meat offering of the morning and as
01:51:53 the drink as we need offering of the
01:51:55 morning there’s a drink offering thereof
01:51:57 shall and thou shalt offer it a
01:51:59 sacrifice made by fire of a sweet saver
01:52:02 unto the Lord
01:52:07 day by day
01:52:09 that is the key that’s understanding
01:52:12 what is the law of Moses
01:52:15 in fact
01:52:18 as you can see I keep improving these
01:52:21 things
01:52:22 um
01:52:24 well that kind of uh
01:52:26 I kind of basically shoots the in the
01:52:29 foot this whole idea of daily repentance
01:52:32 well uh Joseph Smith does that
01:52:35 well no I’m just saying
01:52:38 if the law of Moses was nailed to the
01:52:40 cross the performance of daily
01:52:42 repentance has been nailed
01:52:44 to the Cross well it never was part of
01:52:48 the system
01:52:49 right right go even further than what
01:52:52 you’re stating in fact I’m gonna quote
01:52:54 Joseph Smith on that
01:52:56 it’s like no sorry I lost my composure
01:53:00 um
01:53:02 so oh actually one thing uh before I
01:53:09 Joshua did a drink offering at the cross
01:53:12 I’ll leave it at that because
01:53:14 there’s so much to say on that subject
01:53:18 and I’m not ready to get divorce in it
01:53:21 too to the depth that I I want to yet
01:53:26 wow okay sorry
01:53:34 yeah there’s
01:53:36 were sorry I had to rebuild my machine
01:53:39 so not everything okay repentance is a
01:53:42 thing that cannot be trifled with every
01:53:44 day daily transgression and daily
01:53:47 repentance is not which is pleasing in
01:53:49 the sight of Elohim
01:53:53 um yeah
01:53:55 and I know that’s been pushed Lately by
01:53:58 false prophets
01:54:00 but according to Joseph Smith
01:54:02 that is bad and the reason it’s bad is
01:54:05 because you’re continually sinning AKA
01:54:08 not repenting
01:54:13 you’re just trying to be a little bit
01:54:14 better
01:54:16 every single day
01:54:19 yeah
01:54:20 um remember
01:54:22 God thinks you’re special he loves you
01:54:25 very much
01:54:29 you want to say it in his voice too
01:54:32 no
01:54:39 God hates sinners
01:54:44 yeah this idea of the all-loving god you
01:54:48 will not find it anywhere in Scripture
01:54:52 no she won’t
01:54:55 you’re being misled
01:55:00 and you know maybe when God says that he
01:55:04 visits the sins of the parents upon the
01:55:07 heads of the children down to the third
01:55:08 and fourth generation maybe he means
01:55:11 what he says
01:55:13 well
01:55:14 in addition to that that is because
01:55:16 they’re keeping the same false
01:55:17 traditions because Yahweh also states
01:55:20 that he forged
01:55:21 doesn’t do that to those who repent
01:55:24 right yes
01:55:27 it is a there’s a very important
01:55:30 addition
01:55:32 that people leave out when they think
01:55:34 about the third and fourth generation
01:55:37 it’s of them that hate me
01:55:42 very good point Ben very good point
01:55:45 which is saying those so it’s are not
01:55:49 repenting and are rejecting his wife
01:55:51 right yes
01:55:54 and so the question we have to ask
01:55:56 ourselves is Yahweh hates Sinners who do
01:55:59 Sinners hate Beltway
01:56:03 it’s both
01:56:06 well he does say that he does hate that
01:56:10 it’s funny very clearly
01:56:12 so yeah
01:56:15 because Sinners do hate you at Yahweh
01:56:17 and his voice right they may say they
01:56:20 love him but their actions say otherwise
01:56:23 because their actions and their words
01:56:26 teach against his character
01:56:29 which is his name
01:56:31 all right
01:56:38 okay let’s go back to Kesley sorry
01:56:41 Kesley for sidetracking us a little bit
01:56:43 that’s okay that’s important
01:56:45 yeah
01:56:47 I just have two more verses to bring out
01:56:49 I think
01:56:51 um so jumping over to chapter 12
01:56:53 .
01:56:54 so correct me if I’m wrong on any of my
01:56:57 or on any of my understandings here but
01:57:00 um
01:57:01 now he’s quoting Isaiah again here and
01:57:05 um Isaiah sees the last days right in
01:57:08 this chapter
01:57:09 and um
01:57:10 and so he says here in verse three so
01:57:14 second Nephi 12 verse 3. and many people
01:57:18 shall go and say Come Ye and let us go
01:57:22 up to the mountain of the Lord to the
01:57:23 house of the god of Jacob and he will
01:57:26 teach us of his ways and we will walk in
01:57:29 his paths for out of Zion shall go forth
01:57:32 the law and the word of the Lord from
01:57:35 Jerusalem so my understanding of that
01:57:37 verse
01:57:39 I I felt like it was saying that that
01:57:41 the law will be practiced in Zion right
01:57:44 is that right and uh and I’ll say it in
01:57:47 another term Torah
01:57:49 yeah given on the top of the mountain
01:57:52 or
01:57:55 now it’s also important as we won this
01:57:58 Revelation was given when Isaiah quote
01:58:01 gave this
01:58:04 what is the only thing that would come
01:58:07 to people’s mind when he said law in
01:58:10 fact actually
01:58:12 the mount I bet you if we go look at
01:58:14 this and I’m going to do that right now
01:58:16 to go along with what kesley’s main
01:58:19 point is
01:58:22 it’s lit I I bet you the literal
01:58:26 translation behind that a Hebrew word is
01:58:29 Torah I am pretty confident from my are
01:58:34 we talking about mountain or law law
01:58:36 okay
01:58:39 translation or the literal World Behind
01:58:42 that is going to be Torah
01:58:44 yeah let’s go test me I’m doing this
01:58:47 live
01:58:48 it’s just from my previous experience on
01:58:51 this
01:58:52 that’s going to be Torah
01:58:54 uh I’d like it sorry
01:58:56 if I could uh have the order
01:59:01 chapter two verse three
01:59:16 I I need to pause for a minute I’m sorry
01:59:23 Okay so
01:59:27 law
01:59:28 [Music]
01:59:28 um
01:59:31 oh my God yeah before the law will go
01:59:33 forth from Zion
01:59:36 Torah
01:59:40 like I I yep that’s exactly it
01:59:44 it’s Torah
01:59:46 well
01:59:48 Torah well the Torah is the law of Zion
01:59:54 according to Isaiah and the Book of
01:59:55 Mormon the law of Zion is Torah
01:59:59 the literal word behind that translation
02:00:03 is Torah
02:00:06 and what about the what’s the literal
02:00:08 wording behind uh the word of the Lord
02:00:13 that next section
02:00:15 the law will go forth from Zion and the
02:00:18 word of the Lord
02:00:20 so there’s two so let’s go Interlinear
02:00:22 on that one because that’s two words
02:00:26 yep
02:00:29 yeah
02:00:32 so the word
02:00:35 speech
02:00:37 speaking so let’s go look at that one
02:00:41 um speech word
02:00:44 um
02:00:45 and yeah well that’s going to be yhwh
02:00:47 right
02:00:49 right of course natural Jehovah that’s
02:00:51 why he’s wh because
02:00:53 Jason exists in 1611 right yeah just the
02:00:58 language
02:00:59 um studies
02:01:01 anyways
02:01:04 foreign yeah
02:01:08 so the word that’s just the things that
02:01:09 he says which is that’s what the law is
02:01:12 we’re supposed to live by every
02:01:15 word the person out of the mouth and DNC
02:01:19 one so the question is so the question
02:01:22 is is this two ways of saying the same
02:01:24 thing the law and the word of the Lord
02:01:26 it is
02:01:27 that’s my that’s my thought on it
02:01:32 um
02:01:34 I so
02:01:39 I would say yes
02:01:40 but
02:01:42 um here there it’s one after the other
02:01:45 right
02:01:48 in the way that I would associate that
02:01:50 and justify my yes is whoa whoa
02:01:56 right
02:01:57 right which is the complete opposite
02:02:00 right right exactly
02:02:05 um
02:02:06 yeah I can see that now the other
02:02:09 interesting thing that we have to look
02:02:10 at when we’re um
02:02:14 which actually strengthens the point
02:02:15 that we’re making that the law of the
02:02:18 the law of Zionist Torah
02:02:23 is that we have to remember
02:02:26 and this will also tear down some false
02:02:28 beliefs that are associated with the
02:02:31 scripture
02:02:33 we when we when we look at prophecy
02:02:38 we have to look at what the imagery
02:02:41 means
02:02:43 the mountain
02:02:45 of the Lord
02:02:48 is it mounted Mount the prophetic
02:02:53 meaning of mountain was often the
02:02:55 Nations
02:02:57 so the nation of the Lord Zion
02:03:00 um
02:03:03 it’s uh and the house of the god of
02:03:06 Jacob the house was a people
02:03:09 well I think Mountain has more to do
02:03:11 with Torah than it does in the nation to
02:03:13 be honest because there was specifically
02:03:17 the main mountain when in tourism about
02:03:21 there was only one man that went up
02:03:23 completely
02:03:25 went up partly but there was only one
02:03:28 that went up completely
02:03:30 well and that’s where the Torah was
02:03:32 received well here’s but here’s why I’m
02:03:35 saying that let us go up to
02:03:38 people will be drawn to Zion who are
02:03:42 interested in learning the ways he’s the
02:03:45 Lord who are interested in learning
02:03:46 Torah
02:03:49 because this is so it’s basically saying
02:03:52 let’s go up to Zion
02:03:54 to God’s people who live his law
02:03:57 and they and Ale teach us how to walk
02:04:00 into God’s ways
02:04:02 that’s a different verse that uses some
02:04:04 of the same basic imagery but yeah I
02:04:06 agree with you
02:04:08 yeah and so and then and the reason this
02:04:13 will be said is because
02:04:15 the law of the Lord
02:04:18 the law of the land design will be Torah
02:04:23 um
02:04:25 but if I remember right that’s Isaiah
02:04:27 52.
02:04:29 yeah
02:04:31 um
02:04:33 let me see if I can find it I have a
02:04:36 chiism on this
02:04:41 um if I can
02:04:43 now the problem is finding it
02:04:47 right
02:04:50 Isaiah 52 here
02:04:54 and that’s near the end of it I mean
02:04:56 look at
02:04:59 so this it was done in preparation for a
02:05:03 post
02:05:04 that I hear you and I’m trying to be
02:05:07 more quiet
02:05:10 um and
02:05:12 the purpose for this chiasm just to give
02:05:14 some background
02:05:18 there are people that
02:05:21 argue
02:05:23 the the way that
02:05:25 The Book of Mormon separates Isaiah 52
02:05:28 and 53 is incorrect
02:05:31 so Yahweh told me to look for chiasms in
02:05:34 both of these to show that it is
02:05:36 actually correct
02:05:38 and that’s
02:05:40 and I need to put these finish these
02:05:41 putting these posts but
02:05:43 um
02:05:44 these chiism shows no they are actually
02:05:48 delineate delineated correctly
02:05:53 or yeah sorry I said that wrong no you
02:05:56 get
02:05:58 um but at the end of it of this which is
02:06:01 the main reason I’m bringing it up here
02:06:03 but I’m just giving this little
02:06:04 background when I made this class we can
02:06:06 look at it if you want but the main
02:06:07 point is
02:06:10 uh he brings them and this is about the
02:06:12 mighty and strong one right yep he
02:06:15 brings them to the law the mountains
02:06:19 and behold my servant shall deal
02:06:22 prudently he shall exalt and extol and
02:06:25 be very high
02:06:28 you know it’s interesting that when uh
02:06:31 Abraham
02:06:32 that when Abraham gave watch his choice
02:06:36 of the land he chose the valley and
02:06:38 Abraham therefore chose the mountains
02:06:44 that’s a good point I hadn’t thought
02:06:46 about that thank you
02:06:50 that’s true and
02:06:53 lot wasn’t as diligent right no there
02:06:57 was not
02:06:59 he he
02:07:03 kind of started
02:07:06 um
02:07:08 he was kind of was there but not
02:07:10 completely right
02:07:13 yeah so that’s a very
02:07:17 that’s a good point he did choose the
02:07:18 valley instead of the mountain
02:07:21 well because he saw that it was
02:07:22 flourishing it was going to be easier
02:07:26 well I I think it was uh I would update
02:07:30 it a little differently
02:07:31 he chose money
02:07:33 yes over Yahweh right he saw the
02:07:37 easiness and the
02:07:39 quote Prosperity Gospel over the real
02:07:43 gospel right no
02:07:47 um that’s right his Focus was on yeah
02:07:52 um and
02:07:55 I think
02:07:56 I mean
02:07:58 the Angels came and saved him though
02:08:01 right and so
02:08:03 but at the same time he still hadn’t
02:08:05 quite completely figured it out just
02:08:08 like it did the Second Coming
02:08:11 there will be those who haven’t quite
02:08:13 configured figured it out completely who
02:08:16 will be
02:08:17 saved
02:08:18 right I I tell you I love Isaiah 52 I’ve
02:08:23 just been reading these words uh I’ll
02:08:26 I’ll send you this this is
02:08:29 I need to do a post with just this but
02:08:33 what’s holding me back is I need to do
02:08:35 some of the notes that goes on to the
02:08:37 purposes why I did it and I’m
02:08:41 I’m busy on some other things so this is
02:08:43 something this is one of those things
02:08:45 that really speaks to me
02:08:47 your part your part you go yeah from
02:08:51 fence touch no unclean thing
02:08:54 go ye out of the midst of her be ye
02:08:57 clean
02:08:58 that bear the vessels of the Lord
02:09:05 yeah
02:09:07 but this Mighty and strong one
02:09:10 he’s bringing people
02:09:13 back to Torah yep and I see that in
02:09:18 Jacob five also
02:09:19 I’m not going to Sidetrack us too much
02:09:22 so
02:09:23 um back back to Kesley sorry about that
02:09:27 but that’s okay I’m trying to give
02:09:29 support for what you’re bringing out
02:09:30 okay yeah I love it thank you I I
02:09:33 appreciate it actually
02:09:34 so
02:09:36 um and then yeah so then after that it
02:09:38 just talks a lot about how
02:09:41 um
02:09:41 most people are in apostasy and they’re
02:09:44 not following aura
02:09:46 and then um
02:09:48 just in chapter 15 it just says that
02:09:52 um in verse 24
02:09:57 uh oh oops I’m on 16 yeah
02:10:02 sorry 60. oh 15 15.
02:10:08 yep that’s right there therefore is the
02:10:12 fire
02:10:12 devoureth the stubble and the flame
02:10:15 consume with the chap their root shall
02:10:17 be rottenness and their Blossom shall go
02:10:20 up as dust because they have Cast Away
02:10:23 the law of the Lord of hosts and
02:10:25 despised the word of the Holy One of
02:10:28 Israel right and this is
02:10:32 this has similar imagery with the second
02:10:36 coming right yeah the wicked shall be
02:10:39 burned
02:10:40 yeah a nurse yeah that’s some really huh
02:10:44 those are some really nice verses you
02:10:46 found there in the Book of Mormon I love
02:10:48 thanks for bringing that to our
02:10:49 attention that was beautiful
02:10:52 yeah
02:10:53 this week but I I was excited because
02:10:57 I’ve never first of all I’ve never
02:10:59 really understood the Isaiah chapters in
02:11:01 The Book of Mormon
02:11:03 and
02:11:04 second of all I just yeah it was
02:11:06 exciting being able to see it with new
02:11:08 eyes be able to see that that’s exactly
02:11:10 what this is pointing out
02:11:12 the Lord showed me something in Isaiah
02:11:14 too okay
02:11:17 um you want to share real quick oh yeah
02:11:19 sure okay
02:11:21 we’ll start in Isaiah chapter one
02:11:24 okay let me get there
02:11:26 we’ll start in verse 13.
02:11:32 okay
02:11:37 bring no more vain oblations incense is
02:11:41 an Abomination unto me the new moons and
02:11:43 sabbaths the calling of assemblies I
02:11:45 cannot away with
02:11:47 it is Iniquity even the solemn meeting
02:11:49 your new your new moons and your
02:11:52 appointed feasts my soul hateth he’s
02:11:55 differentiating I I own it and you may
02:11:58 already do this but I want to bring out
02:11:59 a keyword your yeah that’s that’s my
02:12:03 that’s what I was actually going to
02:12:05 point okay all right that’s why I was
02:12:08 that’s why I was hitting the your
02:12:10 yeah because it’s there
02:12:13 your new moons and your appointed beasts
02:12:16 my soul hate it there and trouble unto
02:12:18 me I am willing to Bear them and when
02:12:20 you spread forth your hands I will hide
02:12:21 mine eyes from you gave when you make
02:12:24 many prayers I will not hear your hands
02:12:27 are full of blood
02:12:29 so this is his reference to your
02:12:33 forms of worship so let’s go I I the
02:12:37 blood the red that’s why if the queen of
02:12:40 Babylon wears red because she’s covered
02:12:43 in blood
02:12:45 aka the sins
02:12:49 okay and then
02:12:55 you go back
02:12:58 to the last chapter of Isaiah
02:13:01 66.
02:13:03 oh oh yeah new moons verses 22
02:13:08 324
02:13:11 whereas the new heavens and the new
02:13:13 Earth which I will make shall remain
02:13:16 before me said I’m going to say that you
02:13:18 should say this differently renewed
02:13:20 yes
02:13:22 yes for the uh for as the renewed
02:13:25 heavens and earth
02:13:27 and the renewed Earth which I which I
02:13:29 will make shall remain before me saith
02:13:31 the Lord
02:13:32 so shall your seed and your name remain
02:13:35 and it shall come to pass that from one
02:13:38 new moon to another and from one Sabbath
02:13:40 to another shall All Flesh come to
02:13:42 worship before me saith the Lord and
02:13:45 they shall go forth
02:13:46 so this is the Lord’s
02:13:50 worship yeah and so in here the
02:13:53 condemnation comes
02:13:55 the condemnation comes upon us because
02:13:57 we worship as we please not as the Lord
02:14:00 wants right and Isaiah 66 is about the
02:14:07 Millennial race
02:14:09 Millennial rain and so
02:14:13 where are to worship
02:14:15 and not work on New Moon days
02:14:20 so yeah so so what are some differences
02:14:23 between our new moon days and the Lord’s
02:14:26 New Moon day
02:14:27 well
02:14:29 um hopefully the world as in the four of
02:14:32 us is it no ours in terms of the world
02:14:35 the worlds the world doesn’t even
02:14:39 recognize New Moon day and Hebrew
02:14:41 rooters you know what they do they do
02:14:44 they they recognize that the new moon
02:14:46 comes up
02:14:47 they recognize it enough to do
02:14:50 a Fireside
02:14:53 but they don’t recognize it enough to
02:14:55 make it a non-work day right wait a
02:14:57 minute wait a minute I thought I thought
02:14:59 that the new uh their version of the new
02:15:02 moon day was found in the primary book
02:15:04 Saturday is a special day it’s a day we
02:15:08 get ready for Sunday that one
02:15:12 that doesn’t say New Moon Matt
02:15:16 long she’s just wrong
02:15:20 [Laughter]
02:15:22 you’re just wrong on so many levels
02:15:28 but yeah that was just something really
02:15:31 cool that the Lord showed me about
02:15:32 Isaiah and I actually had
02:15:36 I actually was given a dream on the
02:15:38 night at the after we fasted and if it’s
02:15:41 okay with people I’ll share it
02:15:44 I was just going to share that yeah new
02:15:47 moon date is not a work day but we’ll
02:15:49 leave it at that and you share your
02:15:50 drink because that’s important
02:15:53 well
02:15:54 we were getting ready
02:15:57 to up and move
02:16:00 and there was this old shed
02:16:03 that was very precious to my mother and
02:16:06 she wasn’t there she wasn’t in the dream
02:16:08 except that we were acting out her will
02:16:11 to try to move this old shed to the new
02:16:15 place that we were going to
02:16:18 and as we were basically just going to
02:16:21 pull it down
02:16:23 bring all the wall put all the walls and
02:16:27 you know put all the walls and roof
02:16:29 pieces together
02:16:31 lashing together and put them in a truck
02:16:33 move them that way
02:16:37 and um as I as I’m trying to on as I’m
02:16:41 trying to unscrew
02:16:43 the front
02:16:45 unscrew one of the walls from the rest
02:16:47 of it it’s like
02:16:50 the shed just is crumbling it’s rotting
02:16:53 From the Inside Out the wood is just
02:16:55 rotting out and it’s falling apart I
02:16:58 pull the wall off and it folds so I
02:17:01 think From the Inside Out is a key thing
02:17:03 there right
02:17:05 and it Folds
02:17:07 and just disintegrates in my hands and
02:17:12 as I
02:17:13 go to put the screws down on some what I
02:17:16 think is solid wood the wood just falls
02:17:18 apart
02:17:22 and I heard the words of scripture
02:17:25 neither can a man put new wine and old
02:17:29 bottles
02:17:32 wine skins but yeah
02:17:34 yeah
02:17:35 and an old wine skins
02:17:38 um
02:17:40 and and that’s when and that’s when I
02:17:44 woke up
02:17:48 and so the uh it’s like um
02:17:56 my parents gave everything for the
02:17:58 church
02:18:01 the LDS church the LDS church does
02:18:05 specify but yeah yeah and um
02:18:10 it was
02:18:12 we were getting ready to go on a trip
02:18:16 and that trip and I believe that trip
02:18:18 was designed
02:18:21 and mom wanted me to take that old shed
02:18:24 that she valued so much
02:18:28 Zion with us
02:18:34 but it was an old wine skin
02:18:38 yeah
02:18:39 and you’re breaking up so yeah yeah but
02:18:43 okay
02:18:45 but it was an old wine skin
02:18:49 that old shed was an old wine skin
02:18:52 and that old shed
02:18:55 was the Church of Jesus Christ of
02:18:56 Latter-day Saints
02:18:58 yeah
02:19:00 and I I’m guessing that that means that
02:19:03 I am to leave it behind
02:19:08 uh I would tend to agree with that and
02:19:10 that’s the and because it’s
02:19:13 it’s about to fall and that it’s about
02:19:15 the fall it’s rotting from the inside
02:19:16 out yeah um it’s rotten to the Core
02:19:21 the very center of it to confirm that as
02:19:24 we talked about some before the
02:19:26 recording
02:19:27 LDS churches
02:19:31 official Publications are starting to
02:19:33 say that there was no apostasy
02:19:38 yeah which is sickening
02:19:43 because you can see it I mean you’re
02:19:46 starting to see the the modern apostasy
02:19:48 within the church which is prophesied
02:19:50 like 30 35
02:19:52 1610 right
02:19:55 um it’s getting worse and worse and more
02:19:57 obvious for those who are
02:20:01 paying attention
02:20:02 that’s that’s uh that’s so I I do
02:20:06 believe that that was and I do believe
02:20:09 that that was the correct interpretation
02:20:11 that’s the interpretation that I
02:20:13 received I believe from the spirit
02:20:21 is the LDS church saying that because
02:20:24 they’re trying
02:20:25 to cover for the
02:20:28 yeah yes well they’re they’re they’re
02:20:30 joining the Catholic Church yeah yeah a
02:20:33 year or two ago
02:20:35 um Nelson stated that the pope was
02:20:38 like his Holiness he called us he called
02:20:41 the focused
02:20:44 it’s the exact opposite
02:20:46 mm-hmm
02:20:48 um
02:20:50 Nelson’s been accelerating the modern
02:20:54 apostasy yeah
02:20:57 um yeah a lot and
02:21:00 rfm although I disagree with them on a
02:21:03 lot of things but I do like his
02:21:05 product approach to things
02:21:08 uh did a recent podcast on Mormonism
02:21:12 live
02:21:13 bringing out how official printings of
02:21:17 the brighamite church is stating that
02:21:19 there was no apostasy now
02:21:23 um which is
02:21:26 which technically makes them no
02:21:29 different from you know it’s interesting
02:21:31 the even the Protestant churches don’t
02:21:33 own an apostasy of the Chris of
02:21:35 Christianity
02:21:36 yeah they’re
02:21:40 anyways
02:21:42 they’re going downhill faster and faster
02:21:46 right I mean I I know a lot of people
02:21:49 that have been waking up because of the
02:21:52 pushing of the poison and also pushing
02:21:56 of the 30 agenda
02:21:59 yeah
02:22:01 um but I mean they’ve been pushing it
02:22:03 before that but
02:22:06 it’s becoming more obvious for us
02:22:08 right yeah well so I’m
02:22:12 in the so the the reason the reason I
02:22:16 shared that is simply because
02:22:19 to illustrate the fact that fasting
02:22:23 rings
02:22:25 greater spiritual insight and greater
02:22:27 direction for your life
02:22:31 from the Lord it connects you to Yahweh
02:22:36 in a way that is in ways that are
02:22:38 meaningful and help you to understand
02:22:43 why you do it
02:22:46 and to add to that
02:22:48 um
02:22:48 I I know the brighamite church has a
02:22:51 tradition of doing it the first Sunday
02:22:53 of the month but
02:22:55 that’s wrong and I’ll explain why just
02:22:57 briefly okay
02:23:00 that is resemblance of New Moon day
02:23:03 which is an appointed time with Yeshua
02:23:06 your new moons
02:23:09 right
02:23:10 but on top of that
02:23:14 Yeshua taught in the New Testament you
02:23:16 are not the fast when you are with him
02:23:18 and appointed times
02:23:21 is when you are it’s an appointment to
02:23:24 be with him
02:23:25 and so you should not be fasting
02:23:28 they’ve Twisted it
02:23:32 on top of that it shouldn’t it should be
02:23:34 more than just once
02:23:36 a moon or a month in the Victorian
02:23:38 calendar which is divorced for me
02:23:43 I I believe you said that’s I believe
02:23:46 you should best as often as God puts it
02:23:49 on your heart to do so
02:23:51 correct and right now our group’s doing
02:23:53 once a week which I would suggest doing
02:23:56 that but anyways
02:23:58 um don’t do it for show don’t let people
02:24:01 know
02:24:02 right as Joshua taught into New
02:24:05 Testament
02:24:10 but instead
02:24:12 anoint your face and wash it so it’s not
02:24:15 obvious that you’re fasting right
02:24:19 in other words don’t record all kinds of
02:24:22 don’t record all kinds of Facebook
02:24:24 videos showing yourself suffering
02:24:26 through your fast
02:24:28 exactly
02:24:31 that’s what you’re doing you have your
02:24:33 reward
02:24:37 right yep
02:24:40 um so if you guys are willing to endure
02:24:43 a little more time I’ll share two things
02:24:45 real quick please
02:24:49 um
02:24:49 so I
02:24:53 I I tell people and I’ve stated in these
02:24:56 recordings before that
02:24:59 um
02:25:01 the parable of the ten virgins
02:25:05 five
02:25:07 are about being nice to people and five
02:25:10 is about worshiping Yahweh
02:25:13 um
02:25:15 and those five virgins and
02:25:18 on either side of the subject
02:25:21 the critical event was at midnight right
02:25:28 the thief that came
02:25:30 at midnight has to deal with
02:25:33 the issue
02:25:35 that those who are in charge
02:25:37 of worshiping Yahweh the way that he
02:25:40 wanted to be worshiped
02:25:43 was not doing their job at midnight
02:25:48 same time
02:25:50 as the virgins
02:25:52 were either accepted or rejected
02:25:55 interesting
02:25:59 to me
02:26:01 another proof
02:26:03 that the five white virgins are those
02:26:06 who worship Yahweh
02:26:09 the way that he wants to be worshiped
02:26:12 they take the Holy Spirit
02:26:17 as their guide in
02:26:20 how to worship Elohim
02:26:27 anyways so
02:26:29 the bigger one I want to focus on though
02:26:32 that he gave me
02:26:34 is how
02:26:37 the laws regarding the indentured
02:26:40 servant represents
02:26:44 how our relationship should be with
02:26:46 Yahweh after we sin which we all have
02:26:49 sinned with me included okay now
02:26:55 I don’t have verses ready I um and I
02:26:58 don’t have the verses memorized but I
02:26:59 know the concepts and but if you guys
02:27:01 want we can go look at the verses but
02:27:03 the concept of the indented servant
02:27:08 um is someone who has a debt that they
02:27:11 cannot pay
02:27:12 that they then sell themselves to across
02:27:16 temporarily
02:27:18 so that way that boss takes care of
02:27:21 their debt and at the end of the seventh
02:27:24 year
02:27:26 even if it they were
02:27:29 an indented servant first
02:27:31 for
02:27:32 six seconds
02:27:35 because it was always everybody it was a
02:27:39 seven year cycle period
02:27:41 meaning not a different seven years for
02:27:43 each individual it was for all of Israel
02:27:45 the same cycle okay
02:27:47 they were forgiven of their debts
02:27:52 and
02:27:54 was given
02:27:56 um
02:28:00 trying to think of a good word but they
02:28:02 were giving
02:28:03 property from their master so that they
02:28:07 could then go thrive on their own I I
02:28:10 don’t specifically like the word Thrive
02:28:12 but that’s what the word that comes to
02:28:13 my mind okay
02:28:14 abundance so the the way that they could
02:28:17 go take care of themselves so they
02:28:19 didn’t have to be a servant again okay
02:28:23 that is symbolic of our relationship
02:28:26 can and should be with Yeshua after we
02:28:30 have sin which we all have done
02:28:33 yes
02:28:34 all of sudden falling short of the glory
02:28:36 again that’s really cool because who
02:28:39 takes care of our debt
02:28:41 yes sure yes sure
02:28:46 all will be freed at the end of the
02:28:48 seventh millennium
02:28:53 and guess what he gives us an abundance
02:28:56 also afterwards and in addition the
02:29:00 other gives us all to father he gives us
02:29:02 all that the father have
02:29:04 right
02:29:06 in addition
02:29:09 those who want to stay the servant
02:29:12 there are some extra
02:29:14 rules with that and
02:29:17 their ears get pierced
02:29:22 and the reason the ear gets pierced is
02:29:24 because
02:29:26 they will now only listen to that Master
02:29:31 it is his master for eternity
02:29:34 and the ear piercing is a physical
02:29:39 symbol of only listening to that one
02:29:42 master
02:29:44 yeah
02:29:46 hence why Paul said he was a slave which
02:29:50 I bet if we looked at the Greek
02:29:52 underneath
02:29:53 a better translation would be in
02:29:57 a servant
02:30:01 not a slave and that’s a problem a lot
02:30:03 with
02:30:05 as far as it’s translated correctly
02:30:08 yep
02:30:10 but here’s Torah
02:30:13 teaching the gospel
02:30:16 right
02:30:17 [Music]
02:30:19 Yeshua will take care of our
02:30:22 sinful problem if we would only serve
02:30:27 him with a broken heart and contrite
02:30:29 spirit
02:30:32 and if we do that he will take care of
02:30:35 us of our needs and make sure that we
02:30:40 have an abundance so that way we don’t
02:30:42 get into slavery again
02:30:45 just as he did with the Israelites
02:30:49 he took him out of bondage he took him
02:30:51 out of the Dust
02:30:52 [Music]
02:30:55 anyways
02:31:00 I don’t like that
02:31:02 the scriptures
02:31:04 the Torah
02:31:06 testifies of Yahweh
02:31:09 I may not know how in all cases yet
02:31:13 but as Yeshua said they testify of him
02:31:18 that is one that he gave me the other
02:31:20 day
02:31:21 that’s beautiful
02:31:24 do you have anything you want to share
02:31:25 Zach before we close
02:31:42 I did have scriptures so I wanted wanted
02:31:45 to
02:31:47 I’m sure that I
02:31:49 found okay well at least share some
02:31:55 where where
02:31:57 it’s okay if I share screen oh yeah
02:32:00 um let’s make sure that settings turned
02:32:02 on because sometimes Zoom doesn’t
02:32:07 um
02:32:12 all participants okay go ahead
02:32:33 foreign
02:32:48 I was reading Zechariah
02:32:51 okay
02:32:53 and um
02:32:57 it’s it’s
02:32:59 chapter one and chapter six
02:33:02 I found
02:33:04 this version of the horses
02:33:08 uh like the four horses from Revelation
02:33:11 possibly yes yeah it’s like
02:33:14 I looked into the night and saw a man
02:33:16 writing on a red horse
02:33:21 behind him were red Sorrel and white
02:33:23 horses
02:33:26 they are the ones the Lord has sent the
02:33:28 patrol leaders
02:33:37 so along with this just real quick while
02:33:39 you’re you’re thinking what you want to
02:33:40 say more I I do believe that if we
02:33:44 understood the Tanakh slash the Old
02:33:47 Testament more we would understand the
02:33:48 Book of Revelation more because the The
02:33:50 Book of Revelation
02:33:53 uses the imagery from the Tanakh heavily
02:33:59 well and there’s actually several keys
02:34:02 in the Book of Revelations to help you
02:34:04 understand it because the Lord actually
02:34:06 tells you tells you how it tells John
02:34:08 how to write it
02:34:10 uh that he is that he’s to write what he
02:34:12 sees
02:34:14 he used to write what the he’s to write
02:34:16 what the images that he sees are
02:34:21 and that needs to write what happens
02:34:23 after the image comes
02:34:25 and and just to add to that
02:34:28 um first Nephi 14 23
02:34:32 states that when the Book of Revelation
02:34:35 was written it was easy to understand
02:34:39 and that’s from The Book of Mormon first
02:34:41 Nephi 14 23.
02:34:44 because they studied the Tanakh at that
02:34:48 at that day or today we don’t but back
02:34:51 then the early Saints did right but
02:34:53 these are the exact same horses of
02:34:55 Revelations
02:34:56 yeah and writers
02:35:00 yeah I’m just I’m not real familiar off
02:35:02 top of my head with Zachariah 6 so
02:35:04 that’s why I asked but anyways
02:35:09 it’s the same four horses yeah the red
02:35:11 red wire White
02:35:14 and dappled
02:35:19 and then I have Revolution six opened up
02:35:22 okay
02:35:23 you’re a little prepared for us then huh
02:35:25 a little bit
02:35:28 [Music]
02:35:33 I’m sorry
02:35:35 I was bringing them up because I don’t
02:35:38 I don’t necessarily know
02:35:40 what they were actually represent like
02:35:42 they say
02:35:44 it’s like more famine death pestilence
02:35:48 Maybe
02:35:51 yeah the Book of Revelations is very
02:35:54 symbolic
02:35:56 um and if we get into those imageries
02:35:59 we’d have to um I think that would need
02:36:01 to be saved for next time because it’s
02:36:03 getting a little late
02:36:05 we can we can dive in uh
02:36:08 I want to dive into this next week and
02:36:12 we can really
02:36:13 have some fun with this
02:36:15 sure I I’m happy to to look at some next
02:36:18 week if you guys want to
02:36:20 yes
02:36:24 but I I do I think that’s a great thing
02:36:26 that you brought out though is how these
02:36:28 four horses are in the Tanakh
02:36:31 um
02:36:32 uh because a lot of people think the
02:36:34 Book of Revelation is something brand
02:36:36 spanking new and no it’s not
02:36:39 it’s actually
02:36:40 it’s actually
02:36:43 um
02:36:45 one might say
02:36:48 that it is kind of a conglomeration of
02:36:51 all prophecies that have gone before
02:36:53 I would agree with you and I I would add
02:36:55 that it
02:36:58 it makes it clear that the how the
02:37:01 different pieces fit together
02:37:06 um
02:37:07 so not that I have all that figured out
02:37:09 yet but
02:37:11 um but there are some but there are some
02:37:13 keys as you get into Revelation for
02:37:16 helping you understand what the
02:37:18 symbolism represents
02:37:21 and when you realize and oftentimes the
02:37:25 key to understanding what the symbol in
02:37:26 Revelation means is what does it mean
02:37:30 correct
02:37:31 exactly which is why in fact here can I
02:37:34 steal the screen from you real quick
02:37:35 okay
02:37:39 um
02:37:42 let’s go look at the verse that I was
02:37:44 alluding to
02:37:45 um The Book of Revelation was easy to
02:37:48 understand to everyone when it was
02:37:49 written and that’s just my little
02:37:51 summary of this verse okay
02:37:53 uh wherefore the things which he
02:37:56 uh John the Revelator
02:38:01 uh I don’t know how to spell that right
02:38:03 now so I’m gonna worry about it like I
02:38:06 said my spelling’s not the best shall
02:38:08 write are just and true and behold they
02:38:10 are written in the book which shall
02:38:13 beholders but proceeded out of the mouth
02:38:15 of the Jew and at the time they
02:38:18 proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew or
02:38:20 at the time the book proceedeth out of
02:38:23 the mouth of the Jew the things which
02:38:25 were written were plain and pure and
02:38:28 more suppresses
02:38:29 and here’s the main part easy to
02:38:32 understand of all men because
02:38:37 for the most part the only scriptures
02:38:39 that they had at that day was the Tanakh
02:38:42 [Music]
02:38:43 the New Testament wasn’t compiled until
02:38:46 after
02:38:48 and in many children and in many ways
02:38:51 the New Testament has muddied the water
02:38:53 a great deal
02:38:55 uh
02:38:58 interpretation false interpretation I
02:39:00 would agree with that yeah
02:39:03 um because of people’s heart hearts
02:39:07 yeah
02:39:09 um and their desire to say I can do
02:39:12 whatever I want the law has been nailed
02:39:14 to the cross but it was not Torah that
02:39:16 was nailed to the cross it was the law
02:39:18 of Moses that was nailed to the cross or
02:39:22 punishment
02:39:24 given through Moses was nailed to the
02:39:27 cross right
02:39:30 um
02:39:31 but yeah we it’s late enough I don’t
02:39:34 want to get in too much more detail
02:39:36 unless you have a few things that you
02:39:37 want to share more on that Zach
02:39:41 I just wanted to get your thoughts on it
02:39:45 well I say let’s I say I say let’s get
02:39:48 into that next week man sure I’m happy
02:39:51 to next week
02:39:52 um I love prophecy
02:39:55 because prophecy points us to the Lord
02:39:58 yes
02:40:00 um
02:40:01 Book of Revelations is not my strong
02:40:03 point I will admit on that right now
02:40:05 though but I’m happy to look at it and
02:40:08 talk about it right
02:40:15 but don’t learn my buttons okay guys
02:40:21 I think Matt already knows a few of them
02:40:24 and he seems to like the tap dance well
02:40:27 we do like to Heckle each other don’t we
02:40:31 but uh I have learned that Matt likes to
02:40:34 Heckle so
02:40:37 [Laughter]
02:40:40 laughs
02:40:42 so this lectures on faith
02:40:45 uh lecture two verse 56.
02:40:50 we have now clearly set forth how it is
02:40:53 and how it was that God became an object
02:40:56 of faith for rational beings and also
02:40:58 upon what Foundation the testimony was
02:41:00 based which excited the inquiry and
02:41:03 diligent search of the ancient Saints to
02:41:05 speak after and obtain and knowledge of
02:41:07 the glory of God
02:41:09 and we have seen that it was human
02:41:11 testimony and human testimony only that
02:41:15 excited this inquiry
02:41:18 in the first instance in their minds it
02:41:20 was the Credence that they gave to the
02:41:22 testimony of their fathers this
02:41:24 testimony having to Rouse their minds to
02:41:26 inquire after the knowledge of God the
02:41:28 inquiry
02:41:29 frequently terminated indeed always
02:41:32 terminated when rightly pursued in the
02:41:35 most glorious discoveries
02:41:37 and eternal certainty so two things I
02:41:39 want to bring out
02:41:44 it was
02:41:47 the prophets or Messengers that got
02:41:50 other people to look into it to go get
02:41:53 their own
02:41:55 not depend on them but to go get their
02:41:58 own
02:42:00 and to do it on their own
02:42:03 Yeshua stated John the Baptist was the
02:42:06 greatest prophet
02:42:09 and John said I must decrease as he
02:42:12 increases as in Yeshua increases the
02:42:16 prophet’s job is to bring people to
02:42:19 Yeshua period
02:42:22 profit’s job is to
02:42:24 obviate their own existence
02:42:26 yeah
02:42:28 they must decrease
02:42:34 they must decrease because they get it
02:42:37 so that the people can do it on their
02:42:39 own
02:42:40 Moses had the most correct understanding
02:42:42 of what it means to be a prophet
02:42:45 and he said would to God and he said
02:42:47 when to God that all of God’s people
02:42:50 were private marches he stated right
02:42:52 after someone saying these other people
02:42:54 are prophesying
02:42:56 Joshua that’s Joshua the son of none
02:43:00 yeah he was still learning right yeah so
02:43:03 we got to realize
02:43:05 um people go learn and haven’t figured
02:43:08 everything out yet but Moses had a
02:43:11 little more figured out well maybe more
02:43:12 than just a little but Moses said it
02:43:14 figured out more than Joshua and he’s
02:43:16 like
02:43:17 everyone should be Prophets
02:43:20 and that’s what John’s statement is I
02:43:23 must decrease
02:43:25 as he Yeshua must increase remaining the
02:43:29 relationship with them
02:43:31 The Profit makes you dependent upon them
02:43:35 they’re not a prophet of Yahweh they are
02:43:39 wolves
02:43:40 and she’s going to run
02:43:43 so
02:43:46 I’m glad to see that you’re doing it on
02:43:48 your own
02:43:49 yes but it’s human it is always human
02:43:53 testimony that makes us want to look
02:43:56 into that relationship with Yahweh and
02:43:58 that when rightly that that desire that
02:44:02 inquiry when
02:44:04 rightly pursued
02:44:06 always leads us
02:44:10 to the most glorious discoveries in
02:44:13 Eternal certainty
02:44:14 true prophets it will lead us into the
02:44:16 rest of the Lord
02:44:20 especially if pursued on the Sabbath day
02:44:22 because that is the day set aside to
02:44:24 enter his Christ
02:44:26 now on his appointed times
02:44:29 determined by the Sun and the Moon
02:44:32 that’s right
02:44:35 um we should probably close with that
02:44:38 um
02:44:42 so I I’m just going to say this as we’re
02:44:45 making fun of flat earthers here
02:44:49 um
02:44:52 I is it Elisha or Elijah I always the
02:44:55 one with the the kids and the Bears
02:44:58 uh Elisha Elijah
02:45:01 so when they were mocking the prophet
02:45:04 right
02:45:05 and his bald head as in
02:45:08 No Authority from Yahweh
02:45:12 the prophet cursed them with them
02:45:16 a mauling bear
02:45:20 represents physical death
02:45:25 they died
02:45:28 and they stayed
02:45:29 dead to the spiritual
02:45:32 death
02:45:33 which is generally a lion
02:45:35 as in but David he killed a bear and a
02:45:39 lion
02:45:40 he overcame physical and spiritual death
02:45:43 because of Joshua right
02:45:46 these images that in the scriptures that
02:45:50 may sound funny but once you know what
02:45:52 they point to it makes complete sense
02:45:56 the prophet cursed them with death and
02:45:58 it happened with a symbol that
02:46:01 represents death
02:46:03 the bear
02:46:05 in fact
02:46:06 bears hibernate and then come alive
02:46:08 that’s Resurrection
02:46:15 these imageries that are used
02:46:19 teach the gospel when you understand
02:46:21 them but anyways just take along with
02:46:24 this little
02:46:26 little fun session that we’re having our
02:46:28 own I just wanted to bring that out
02:46:30 oh my God
02:46:32 these imagery
02:46:34 have deep meaning to them
02:46:37 especially this one about the Earth
02:46:51 this is not good