Scripture Study 2025-10-22 D&C LDS 87 Second Coming Improved

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Showing how the 1st USA Civil War is a type for the coming 2nd USA Civil War which is prophesied in D&C LDS 87 and showing the seals from Revelation in D&C LDS 87 along with how cries are connected to the prayers before the wrath. We learned more how the 1st USA Civil War is a type for what is prophesied in D&C LDS 87 because someone who was going to publish a podcast of us talking about this challenged us some. This recording is improved from the last one including things we learned from those conversations and some we have learned since then. Types and shadows are not fulfilment of prophecy but do point to the actual fulfilment. Isaiah 8 (2 Nephi (LDS 18)(RLDS 9:39-60)) is example of a prophecy with a type in history that will be fulfilled with Second Coming. Joseph Smith received D&C LDS 87 during a tariff dispute and there have been many controversies that have centered around South Carolina. After the tariff dispute was resolved, Joseph Smith stated that D&C LDS 87 will happen, just doesn’t know when. Christmas was illegal during Joseph Smith’s life time. Correlation does not equal fulfilment. There are prophesies from Isaiah and Yeshua that have not been fulfilled yet. D&C LDS 87 prophesies of wars that start around the same time. The 1st seal is war to cause war. The 1st USA Civil War did not cause war upon all nations as the 2nd USA Civil War will. Although the USA has many problems, it is keep, for the most part, peace around the world. When the USA will fall, war among all nations will happen. Daniel 9 is already all fulfilled, some of Daniel’s prophesies do deal with the Second Coming. 2nd seal is peace being removed from the world aka a war in all nations. Horses are symbolic of war. No nations called upon other nations for defense against other nations that then had war of all nations at the 1st USA Civil War. 3rd seal deals with famine and slaves rising up. 4th seal is about the Lehites rising up, who are the Roaring Lions, and taking their land back and creating Zion under the direction of the Mighty and Strong One. The Gentiles went too far in the punishment of the Lehites. Although after the 1st USA Civil War the Lehites rose up against the USA, the Lehites are the ones who received the vexation. The Lehites are very angry right now, and rightfully so. One translation of the description of the 4th horse is speckled horse, which goes along with the speckled sheep with Jacob / Israel. Jacob / Israel is a preparer and a type of the coming Mighty and Strong One, and both are using sticks with the sheep, sticks points to scriptures. YHWH was the Angel of Death during the exodus with Moses, and one of the names of the Mighty and Strong One is Death. Lehites will take back their land by blood during Unleaved Bread High Holiday. Unleaved Bread is a time of the oppressed receiving from those who have oppressed them. The 7 year tribulation will follow the 4th seal, just as death followed the flood with Noah during 2nd Unleavened Bread. A fourth part points to a portion of the whole in this case Zion, just as a third part points to the Sons of Perdition. Zion will have all things which is Torah. There are prophesies of famine during the tribulation. The phrase “and thus” with talks of the wrath, which is the 7th seal with the 7 trumpets and bowls, connects D&C LDS 87 to the Second Coming events. The wrath is cause by the Mighty and Strong One calling the planets from the Polar Configuration back, which is shown in Daniel 2 and the D&C. The prayers ceasing after the wrath in D&C LDS 87 goes with the prayers before the wrath in Revelation 8. All Nations, Mystery Babylon, will be destroyed during the wrath, which has not happened yet. Everyone will see the two witnesses in Revelation 11 lying dead in the street. First and foremost, repent and get right with Yah and endure to then end, and then prepare temporally to help yourself and others. Ancient Saints will resurrection and come to Adam-ondi-Ahman, which is one of the numbers from Daniel 12. Get a team together to help each other with what is coming.

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00:00:03 Good evening, brothers and sisters.
00:00:05 We’re going to be uh in this instance,
00:00:09 we’re going to be um revisiting
00:00:12 uh revisiting a topic that we have gone
00:00:17 over fairly recently. But due to some
00:00:20 challenges that we received, we have uh
00:00:24 we have learned some additional
00:00:25 information and we have gathered some
00:00:27 additional information. Uh the uh the
00:00:31 our our general opinion regarding this
00:00:35 section has not our general belief
00:00:37 regarding this section has not changed
00:00:40 that this and that this is a revelation
00:00:43 of the end times.
00:00:46 Um
00:00:47 though many believe it to be a prophecy
00:00:50 of the civil war. I do believe that
00:00:52 Stephen has some things that he wants to
00:00:54 say with regards to this. So, I’ll time
00:00:58 over to him.
00:01:00 >> So, we
00:01:02 uh I thought I found someone that would
00:01:04 uh put this in their podcast. They we
00:01:07 met and did recordings twice. Um and out
00:01:12 of nowhere, he decided not to publish it
00:01:15 and he hasn’t talked to me about it. But
00:01:18 uh even though that didn’t happen, I am
00:01:20 still or we I would say are still
00:01:23 grateful for it because he did challenge
00:01:25 us on a couple points
00:01:28 uh which made us look a little deeper
00:01:30 which
00:01:32 um if anything it helped me see the
00:01:36 Civil War as a type for the second Civil
00:01:41 War because of more um bullet points
00:01:44 that the Civil War actually meets.
00:01:48 So, um, and since he’s not publishing
00:01:52 what we did with them, uh, I wanted us
00:01:56 to do it again to bring out these new
00:01:58 things that we have learned that he
00:02:00 helped us out with. Um, so with that,
00:02:06 um, because there there is a lot of
00:02:07 connections to the second coming. Um,
00:02:10 but
00:02:12 uh to give some credit to him, he did
00:02:15 know a little more history or at least
00:02:17 remembered more history than we did. Um,
00:02:21 but
00:02:24 he still acknowledges that we have
00:02:25 something even though he’s decided not
00:02:28 to put it out and I don’t know why he
00:02:30 wouldn’t respond to my email trying to
00:02:32 talk to him about it. So, anyways,
00:02:39 Okay.
00:02:42 >> Okay. So, what we’re uh so we so here we
00:02:48 we’re going to talk about the type and
00:02:50 shadow. This uh this is a this is how um
00:02:55 the type in the shadow is a part of the
00:02:59 Hebrew prophetic tradition
00:03:02 which makes it possible for it to appear
00:03:06 that a prophecy has multiple
00:03:10 I’m going to put air quotes around it
00:03:11 fulfillments.
00:03:14 The type and sha the types in the
00:03:16 shadows are not fulfillments of the
00:03:18 prophecy.
00:03:19 They are simply
00:03:22 um a uh they’re simply a looking um
00:03:28 they’re simply pointing they what they
00:03:31 are a confirmation
00:03:34 that what has been prophesied will take
00:03:37 place.
00:03:40 So, one way uh another way to possibly
00:03:42 put it, they’re they have partial
00:03:45 fulfillments
00:03:47 >> u but not the full thing um which helps
00:03:51 with knowing what to look for for the
00:03:54 real thing.
00:03:57 >> So,
00:03:59 yeah. Okay. So, the first thing that we
00:04:02 want to do is um the first thing I want
00:04:05 to do is um highlight uh Steven Ratz’s
00:04:09 second coming page. uh because this is a
00:04:13 prophecy about the second coming and we
00:04:15 will be able to show definitively that
00:04:18 the first that the first four seals are
00:04:24 in this section as well as and and there
00:04:28 are references to the seventh as well.
00:04:30 >> Yes. At the very end. Yes. Mhm.
00:04:33 >> So this is so so just really quick if
00:04:38 Stephen if you want to tell people uh
00:04:41 about your second coming page.
00:04:43 >> Uh sure. Sure. There’s a lot on here. Um
00:04:46 and so I have the different seals on
00:04:49 here and the trumpet and BS. And then I
00:04:52 have a lot of scriptures underneath each
00:04:54 one. Um and then I have little
00:04:56 descriptions too. Uh at least bullet
00:04:59 points. I am slowly trying to add uh
00:05:03 comments on some of the scriptures. Um
00:05:05 some are better than others cuz there’s
00:05:06 a lot. So it takes time to go back and
00:05:10 update everything. So but I I when I’m
00:05:13 adding new ones I am adding more
00:05:15 information. Um but it it goes through
00:05:18 this uh seal one through through 7 and
00:05:23 shows how they’re happening on appointed
00:05:25 times. It has Daniel’s numbers in there.
00:05:28 >> Mhm. Um and it also has the trumpet and
00:05:30 the bowls. So and additional scriptures
00:05:34 that goes with them also even on the
00:05:36 trumpet and the bowls. So
00:05:38 >> So yeah. So we will be re we will be
00:05:41 returning to this screen um periodically
00:05:45 throughout the remainder of the
00:05:46 presentation.
00:05:49 right now.
00:05:50 >> Ben, I think Ben wants to
00:05:51 >> Yeah, I think right now I think I want
00:05:54 to be able to um share my screen here
00:05:58 because we’re going to talk about the
00:06:00 type and shadow. Um
00:06:06 we’re going to look here.
00:06:09 I’m gonna pull up Isa. I’m going to pull
00:06:12 up something maybe if I can. Uh
00:06:16 this seems to have
00:06:18 >> here. Let me pause the recording.
00:06:19 >> I Oh, shoot. Yeah.
00:06:23 >> Okay. So, my computer decided to get
00:06:27 So, we are going to uh have to um So, we
00:06:31 had we had to pause there and uh now we
00:06:34 have um our example that we’re going our
00:06:38 shining example of the type and shadow
00:06:40 that we’re going to use here. There’s
00:06:42 lots of scripture references and
00:06:44 association with it. So Josh, do you
00:06:47 mind reading verses 5 through8?
00:06:50 >> 5-8.
00:06:52 >> Yes.
00:06:53 >> All right. Um Yahweh spake also unto me
00:06:56 again, saying, “For as much as this
00:06:59 people refuseth the waters of Shaloa,
00:07:02 they go softly and rejoice in resin and
00:07:05 Remaliah’s son. Now therefore, behold,
00:07:08 Yahweh bringeth upon them the waters of
00:07:11 the river, strong and many, even the
00:07:14 king of Assyria uh and all his glory.
00:07:19 And he shall come up over all his
00:07:21 channels and go over all his banks. And
00:07:24 he shall pass through Judah. He shall
00:07:26 overflow and go over. He shall reach
00:07:28 even to the neck, and the stretching out
00:07:31 of his wings shall fill the breadth of
00:07:33 my land, oh Emmanuel. So this is talking
00:07:37 about the king of Assyria, the invasion
00:07:39 uh and it and it seems to be pointing to
00:07:43 his invasion of Judah. The king of
00:07:46 Assyria is a representative character
00:07:50 as we will see
00:07:52 when we read this next part of this same
00:07:56 prophecy.
00:07:58 >> Now on on verse seven, if it’s okay, I
00:08:01 do see a lot of second coming imagery in
00:08:04 there. Yes.
00:08:06 >> Um
00:08:08 in fact that the Zion will go out to the
00:08:10 whole world is definitely and the king
00:08:14 will be in charge of it.
00:08:18 >> King of Assyria is usually a bad figure
00:08:21 in prophecy, an evil man.
00:08:24 >> Sure. Sure. But
00:08:26 >> in fact, he’s even used in Isaiah as a
00:08:28 type of Satan himself.
00:08:30 >> Okay. Uh so what I’m seeing right here
00:08:32 though is since they didn’t listen to
00:08:35 the waters of Shiloh who Yeshua or
00:08:38 Shiloh
00:08:40 >> goes along to Shiloh which Yeshua is
00:08:44 >> he will then bring a river like a whole
00:08:46 bunch
00:08:47 >> right
00:08:48 >> and his glory
00:08:50 >> and Yeshua is coming in glory during the
00:08:52 second coming
00:08:53 >> right
00:08:54 >> and it’ll go over all the banks as in
00:08:57 going all over the world. So that’s what
00:08:58 I see in
00:08:59 >> that’s what you see. Okay.
00:09:01 >> Seven. But
00:09:02 >> and that’s and that and that’s that’s an
00:09:04 interesting take on that. But let’s
00:09:06 let’s take a look at the and that’s and
00:09:09 and you’ll be able to see how that um
00:09:13 could very well be um that could very
00:09:17 well that could very well be what it’s
00:09:19 prophesying of. But let’s look in verse
00:09:23 let’s read verses 9-4. Zach
00:09:30 >> then 9-4
00:09:32 >> 9-4
00:09:34 >> Associate yourselves all ye my people
00:09:37 all ye people and ye and ye shall be
00:09:41 broken in pieces and give ear all ye of
00:09:45 all ye of fair countries
00:09:49 g yourselves and you shall be broken in
00:09:52 pieces. G yourselves and you shall be
00:09:54 broken in pieces.
00:09:58 Take counsel together and it shall come
00:10:01 to to it shall come to not speak the
00:10:05 word and it shall not stand for y for
00:10:08 Elohim is with us.
00:10:13 For you had always spake thus to me with
00:10:15 a strong hand, and instructed me that I
00:10:18 should not walk in the way of this
00:10:20 people, saying,
00:10:22 Say ye not a confederacy
00:10:25 to all them to whom this people shall
00:10:28 say, a confederacy,
00:10:30 neither fear,
00:10:32 neither fear ye their fear, nor be
00:10:35 afraid.
00:10:37 Sanctify
00:10:39 Yahweh of host himself, and let him be
00:10:42 your your fear, and let him be your
00:10:45 dread.
00:10:47 And he shall be for a sanctuary,
00:10:50 but for a stone of stumbling,
00:10:54 and for a rock of offense to to both the
00:10:56 houses of Israel,
00:10:59 for a a jin for a jin, and for a snare
00:11:03 to the heavens inhabitants of Jerusalem.
00:11:05 So we we have here uh very much um in
00:11:09 verse 14 particularly very much strong
00:11:11 first coming um
00:11:16 uh pies
00:11:18 >> I actually I see first coming and second
00:11:21 coming with that um
00:11:23 >> because a lot although uh when the
00:11:26 mighty strong one comes it it’ll um some
00:11:31 of the house of Israel will come and
00:11:33 some of the house of Judah will
00:11:36 Uh but there’s going to be a lot that
00:11:38 don’t and they’re actually going to spy
00:11:41 on them.
00:11:44 >> Yeah. Now, this is one of the things
00:11:47 that I find interesting. Um some some
00:11:51 translations of this uh some
00:11:54 translations of this section where it
00:11:56 says here in the King James, a
00:11:57 confederacy, which I think is a better
00:11:59 translation. It says a conspiracy.
00:12:03 I think the Confederacy is a better
00:12:05 translation because this is talking
00:12:07 about making alliances, putting your
00:12:09 trust in the arm of flesh.
00:12:11 >> Yeah. And during the second coming time,
00:12:14 there’s going to be a lot of um a lot of
00:12:18 confederate
00:12:19 >> worldly people uniting together to the
00:12:21 point that the antichrist will be in
00:12:25 charge of it all.
00:12:27 >> Right. Yeah. So, a lot of confederating.
00:12:30 >> Mhm. Yeah. um
00:12:33 which uh which is an interesting word
00:12:36 considering what we’re talking about
00:12:39 here in section 87 in the type and
00:12:42 shadow where you have the confederates
00:12:44 against the union um that’s a really uh
00:12:48 really interesting
00:12:50 uh really interesting type makes that a
00:12:53 really interesting type and shadow. out.
00:12:56 >> Um, so what we have here is a prophecy
00:12:59 of the king of Assyria
00:13:02 going all the way up to Jerusalem,
00:13:04 surrounding Jerusalem.
00:13:06 Um, and uh, nobody will be able any
00:13:11 confederacy that people build against
00:13:13 him will fall. But
00:13:16 and so but you see so this is um so and
00:13:21 that and the fulfillment and the
00:13:24 fulfillment of this prophecy appears to
00:13:27 be recorded in the Bible.
00:13:31 But this is a type and shadow.
00:13:34 As we can see we’ve been able to pull
00:13:36 pull out references to the second coming
00:13:39 in this section. So this was just a type
00:13:42 and shadow. Let’s go to 2 Kings 18.
00:13:47 Uh let’s see, starting in verse 17.
00:13:53 Um Andrew, can you read my screen?
00:14:01 Yes. Let me just
00:14:04 get it a little bigger for me. But yes.
00:14:07 All right.
00:14:08 And the king of Assyria sent
00:14:12 Tarton
00:14:14 and Raberas and Rabshaka
00:14:18 from uh Hold on. I’m be better if I
00:14:22 don’t have the cursor there. Sorry, it
00:14:24 kind of blocks a few of the letters
00:14:25 sometimes.
00:14:26 >> Okay.
00:14:27 >> From uh Oh, you’re fine. uh from Laki
00:14:30 Lakish
00:14:32 to King Hezekiah with a great great host
00:14:37 against Jerusalem.
00:14:39 And they went up and came to Jerusalem.
00:14:42 And when they were come up, they came
00:14:46 and stood by the conduit of the upper
00:14:50 pool, which is the highway of the
00:14:53 Fuller’s Field.
00:14:56 This isn’t the highway of the Fuller
00:14:57 Field. Apologies.
00:14:59 >> Mhm.
00:15:02 >> Okay. And keep reading.
00:15:04 >> Okay.
00:15:05 And when they had called to the king,
00:15:08 there came out to them
00:15:12 Iliaakim.
00:15:14 >> Yeah. Iliaakim.
00:15:15 >> Ilakim.
00:15:17 The son of Hilkaya, which was over the
00:15:21 household.
00:15:23 and Shebna the scribe and Joah the son
00:15:29 of Assa Assaf the recorder.
00:15:34 Keep going.
00:15:34 >> Yeah.
00:15:36 >> When Rab Shaka
00:15:38 said unto them, speak ye now to
00:15:41 Hezekiah, thus saith the great king, the
00:15:44 king of Assyria. What confidence is this
00:15:47 wherein thou trustest?
00:15:52 Thou sayest,
00:15:53 >> sorry, what?
00:15:55 >> I keep going.
00:15:56 >> Yeah,
00:15:56 >> thou sayest, but they are but vain
00:16:00 words. I have counsel and strength for
00:16:03 the war. Now, on whom dost thou trust
00:16:08 that thou rebelst against me? Okay. So,
00:16:11 they’re they’re uh they’re stating that
00:16:15 Judah um Hezekiah
00:16:19 uh
00:16:21 Hezekiah’s father um
00:16:26 made a pact with the king of Assyria so
00:16:28 that Assyria would not raid them. And
00:16:31 Hezekiah is u establishing in his
00:16:35 righteousness is establishing the power
00:16:37 of the rule over the people of Judah
00:16:40 again. And so they think that he is um
00:16:43 so they see him as rebelling which he is
00:16:47 against their wicked lead. Um
00:16:51 and so they come
00:16:54 they they they’ve come and they’ve
00:16:56 surrounded the whole place. Um, and it
00:17:00 came to pass when King Hezekiah heard
00:17:01 it, he he that he rent his clothes and
00:17:03 they’re blaspheing
00:17:06 Yah. And when King Hezekiah heard it, he
00:17:08 rent his clothes and covered himself
00:17:09 with sackcloth and went into the house
00:17:11 of Yah. And he sent and he sent Elakim
00:17:15 to the son of to Isaiah the prophet, the
00:17:17 son of Amos.
00:17:19 And uh
00:17:22 together they pray
00:17:24 to the Lord. And this army that is
00:17:27 surrounding the city right up to the
00:17:29 very walls
00:17:32 um
00:17:35 is at the end of at the end of 35
00:17:39 is destroyed. And it came to pass at
00:17:41 night that the angel of the Lord and
00:17:43 that the angel of Ya went out and smoked
00:17:45 in the camp of the Assyrians and 104
00:17:47 score and 5,000. And when they arose
00:17:50 early in the morning, behold, they were
00:17:52 all dead corpses of I suppose the ones
00:17:55 who didn’t arise. Uh so Sonakaribb
00:17:59 uh king of Assyria departed and went and
00:18:01 returned and dwelt at Nineveh.
00:18:04 And it and it came to pass as he was
00:18:07 worshiping in the house of in the house
00:18:09 of Nisroch his god that Admile and
00:18:12 Sharzer his son smokeote him with the
00:18:14 sword and they escaped the land into the
00:18:17 land of Armenia and Isar Haden his son
00:18:20 reigned in hisstead. So the army is
00:18:23 struck down. uh they have
00:18:27 like it says in Isaiah chapter 8 uh in
00:18:31 he shall reach even to the neck and so
00:18:34 this seems to be a fulfillment of that
00:18:36 right but it’s not
00:18:40 so if you don’t mind uh can I just talk
00:18:43 about the number 185
00:18:45 >> yeah so uh if you you go on my symbolism
00:18:50 page or you can go online and search if
00:18:52 you want but 100 is promise
00:18:54 Okay.
00:18:56 80 is the eternity, new beginning, new
00:19:00 birth.
00:19:01 And five has a couple things with it.
00:19:05 >> Mhm.
00:19:06 >> It one’s mortality and grace, divine
00:19:09 strength, and
00:19:11 uh God’s goodness or Elohim’s goodness.
00:19:14 Um I can definitely see those numbers
00:19:18 meanings going along with that passage,
00:19:23 >> right? And so, yes, definitely.
00:19:25 Absolutely. And so, um, and so what we
00:19:29 have here is a near fulfillment except
00:19:35 that they didn’t fill their land and
00:19:37 that and that not everything was broken
00:19:39 and not everything was broken in pieces
00:19:41 except for the Assyrian army at the
00:19:43 gates. Um, that was broken in pieces.
00:19:47 Pretty good. But, um,
00:19:50 >> but that’s not E, right?
00:19:52 >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Uh that was that.
00:19:55 Yeah. So the so this actually
00:19:59 I would say given that we’ve seen second
00:20:02 coming references in it, I would say it
00:20:04 had a more complete fulfillment in the
00:20:07 siege of Jerusalem by the Romans. This
00:20:10 is how we see that the king of Assyria
00:20:12 now becomes a representative character.
00:20:16 Mhm.
00:20:17 >> Um and the Romans uh did come in and did
00:20:22 break all in pieces and destroyed the
00:20:25 Jewish Confederacies and uh
00:20:30 sent them and uh because
00:20:35 they had been offended
00:20:38 at Yeshua
00:20:41 and had stumbled over his words.
00:20:44 >> Yes. And so you see a more full and
00:20:47 complete fulfillment there. In the same
00:20:49 way as we go into Doctrine and Covenants
00:20:52 section 87,
00:20:55 uh, not the right one. There we go. uh
00:20:59 go into Doctrine of Covenant section 87,
00:21:01 we’re going to see that the Civil War
00:21:06 kind of fills that in a shallow way,
00:21:09 including some of the very um physical
00:21:13 appellations in much the same way that
00:21:16 Isaiah 8.
00:21:18 It was the king of Assyria
00:21:23 in the in the u in the type and shadow
00:21:28 Just like it is the northern and
00:21:29 southern states in the type and shadow.
00:21:35 >> Correct. And and one thing I and just I
00:21:38 don’t know if you were planning on this
00:21:39 or not, but uh you should scroll down.
00:21:44 >> So or scroll up actually, sorry. Uh and
00:21:47 talk about what was going on the time
00:21:49 this revelation was.
00:21:51 >> Yeah, I I do I do plan on doing that.
00:21:53 That was actually the next thing. Thank
00:21:55 you. Thank you. Um, so
00:22:00 Joseph Smith receives this revelation in
00:22:02 December 25th of 1832. There was
00:22:05 something very significant that was
00:22:07 going on in the United States at that
00:22:11 time and it was a tariff dispute.
00:22:16 See, Andrew Jackson had levied tariffs
00:22:20 on foreign goods
00:22:22 that were crippling to the economy of
00:22:26 the state of South Carolina along with
00:22:28 several other states. But South Carolina
00:22:30 was not going to stand for this. And so
00:22:33 they unilaterally
00:22:36 decided that they were not going to
00:22:38 charge the tariffs
00:22:41 and that they were not going to collect
00:22:43 them.
00:22:47 And this resulted
00:22:50 in this almost resulted in open war
00:22:55 in South Carolina. And this all happened
00:22:57 in the fall or and around December,
00:23:01 November, December of 1832.
00:23:04 Uh but it was the the war in this
00:23:06 instance was headed off by some very
00:23:10 very ingenious diplomacy by Calhoun.
00:23:15 Um
00:23:16 uh the uh senator
00:23:19 >> Yep. John C. Calhoun.
00:23:20 >> John C. Calhoun. The senator from South
00:23:22 Carolina did some very fine um very fine
00:23:27 u
00:23:29 statesmanship
00:23:30 to head off war here. Uh negotiating a
00:23:34 diminishing of the tariffs
00:23:37 um that Andrew Jackson had imposed. And
00:23:41 this brought all brought the com brought
00:23:45 the almost combat situation to a close.
00:23:48 And this is not the first time that
00:23:50 South Carolina had had um
00:23:55 this is not the first time nor the will
00:23:57 it be the last time that South Carolina
00:23:59 had issues with um the way the United
00:24:02 States government was running things.
00:24:04 >> Can I interject something real quick
00:24:06 before you show some other examples?
00:24:09 >> Okay. So, uh, I I I listen to Eldus
00:24:14 podcasts partly just to get me to think
00:24:16 on scriptures. Not that I always agree
00:24:18 with them because a lot of times I
00:24:19 don’t, but uh, they do know more history
00:24:22 than I do. It is not one of my
00:24:24 strengths. And a history thing that um
00:24:27 the let me see uh the church history
00:24:30 matters podcast brought out to me one
00:24:33 time was how even after this tariff war
00:24:37 didn’t turn into a civil war as this
00:24:40 prophecy
00:24:42 uh prophesies as which is what was going
00:24:44 on at the time that Joseph Smith
00:24:46 received this. Joseph Smith kept saying
00:24:49 this is true. I may not know when it’s
00:24:51 going to happen but this is true.
00:24:55 Mhm.
00:24:56 >> And so I I know a lot of people in the
00:24:59 restoration do believe it has to do with
00:25:01 the first civil war right now because
00:25:03 and I would say a lot of it that’s
00:25:05 because that’s what
00:25:07 the church and podcasters teach. Um
00:25:11 >> and there and some and there’s also
00:25:14 content within the revelation itself
00:25:16 which seems to point to it.
00:25:19 >> Correct. Correct. I I do agree with
00:25:21 that. Um,
00:25:24 and but we’ll go over that in detail.
00:25:26 Um, so with that, I think Ben’s going to
00:25:28 talk about some of the other times this
00:25:30 may have happened. Right.
00:25:33 >> So, there were several other uh there
00:25:37 were several other slave rebellions in
00:25:41 South Carolina that got that made
00:25:43 national headlines. uh including one
00:25:46 where the where slaves seized a slaves
00:25:49 seized a um a warehouse in Charleston
00:25:55 um until until they were taken and some
00:25:59 are similarly executed. Um,
00:26:03 so there’s South Carolina we have u
00:26:11 South Carolina we have a hot in South
00:26:14 Carolina we have a hot bed of um
00:26:17 around especially around that time we
00:26:20 had a hot bed of u
00:26:24 uh
00:26:27 malice
00:26:29 and anger.
00:26:32 Um and anger often has just anger
00:26:35 sometimes has just causes. Uh I can
00:26:39 understand the slaves anger why they
00:26:41 would revolt
00:26:43 but we are often
00:26:45 but um Paul often told the slaves in the
00:26:50 uh in his Greek in the Greek um in
00:26:55 Corenth not to rebel against their
00:26:58 masters.
00:26:59 Um, but this is but this is anger is
00:27:04 almost always understandable, but it’s
00:27:06 rarely it rarely ever leads to good
00:27:08 choices.
00:27:10 South Carolina still is a hotbed of um
00:27:17 it still ha still has a smoldering bed
00:27:20 of anger and resentment
00:27:23 in there. They are currently uh fifth
00:27:26 per capita in the United States among
00:27:30 among the 50 states for murder. Um they
00:27:34 are 11th uh among the 50 states for
00:27:37 violent crime. There is a lot of anger
00:27:43 in South Carolina
00:27:44 >> and I’ve even not that I remember
00:27:46 everything but I’ve seen stuff popping
00:27:48 up in news about them in that area even
00:27:52 today on various controversies that are
00:27:55 going on today.
00:27:57 >> Yeah. Um, yeah, there’s many there and I
00:28:02 uh I follow several uh YouTubers from
00:28:05 South Carolina who they’re um
00:28:09 they’re becoming very disillusioned with
00:28:12 um things as they currently stand with
00:28:16 our president.
00:28:19 um uh how he is all about making every
00:28:23 other nation in the in the world great
00:28:26 uh and not putting America first.
00:28:30 So there’s again that resentment brewing
00:28:34 in the state of South Carolina against
00:28:37 the government
00:28:39 um that they voted in.
00:28:42 >> Sure. But uh with what I believe in uh
00:28:45 second coming prophecy events, it does
00:28:47 make sense uh because he’s causing
00:28:50 division among the USA and it needs they
00:28:54 also need to push USA down the
00:28:58 >> to achieve their goals which will make
00:29:00 some things later that we’ll talk about
00:29:02 easier. So
00:29:03 >> okay. So with that whole thing set up
00:29:05 about the type and shadow and going over
00:29:08 the history that surrounded the
00:29:10 receiving of this revelation, Joseph
00:29:12 Smith was very concerned when he went to
00:29:15 Yah in prayer on December 25th of 1832.
00:29:20 Um
00:29:24 and so um and he receives this
00:29:28 revelation.
00:29:30 So we’re going to go into this. So, I I
00:29:33 just want to say one little uh stint
00:29:36 real quick. Um
00:29:40 I I I I believe the fact that he’s
00:29:45 focusing on this on what today is
00:29:49 Christmas kind of shows that he did not
00:29:51 celebrate Christmas. If if he was
00:29:54 celebrating Christmas, he would have
00:29:56 been doing something way different in my
00:29:58 honest opinion. uh compared to how I
00:30:02 grew up with it anyways cuz I don’t do
00:30:04 it anymore. Um but I this is a little
00:30:08 minor point. I think the fact he was
00:30:10 focusing on this during what most people
00:30:14 would be focused on Yeshua’s supposed
00:30:17 birth
00:30:18 >> um is it’s quite a different tone.
00:30:23 >> Yeah. And I and I do I would like to
00:30:25 point out that Christmas was not
00:30:27 actually widely celebrated in the United
00:30:29 States at this time.
00:30:31 >> Oh no. And actually it was against the
00:30:33 law at this time.
00:30:35 >> Um the Puritans uh made it against the
00:30:40 law because they knew what it was when
00:30:42 they came here. So
00:30:44 >> yeah.
00:30:44 >> Anyways,
00:30:45 >> uh and that law didn’t get revoked for
00:30:48 for a little bit. So
00:30:49 >> yes. Yeah. Anyway,
00:30:51 >> so okay. So, but with that said, we’re
00:30:54 going to go into Doctrine and Covenant
00:30:56 section 87, acknowledging
00:30:59 that
00:31:01 there is that there are correlations
00:31:05 between what is in the Revelation and
00:31:07 the Civil War,
00:31:09 but realizing that correlation does not
00:31:12 equal fulfillment.
00:31:15 Correct? especially um there’s points in
00:31:19 here uh and we’ll get to it as we get
00:31:22 there that are uh fulfilled the opposite
00:31:25 what is stated in there. Right.
00:31:27 >> Right.
00:31:28 >> Um and the fact there is a key word in
00:31:32 verse seven that really shows it hasn’t
00:31:36 happened. And there’s stuff in verse or
00:31:38 is it verse six? Maybe it’s verse six
00:31:41 because I see the and thus it’s verse
00:31:43 six. So uh there are definitely there
00:31:47 are a lot of things that are very
00:31:48 correlated which helps the fact that the
00:31:51 civil war was a type.
00:31:55 >> Mhm.
00:31:55 >> What this is?
00:31:56 >> Yeah. And and what do what have we gone
00:32:00 over about types? They are
00:32:03 they are testimonies that the thing
00:32:05 prophesied of will happen.
00:32:10 >> Correct.
00:32:12 Now, if you wanted it to be a particular
00:32:15 time, it could be frustrating. It didn’t
00:32:17 happen the way you thought it was, and
00:32:19 then you think it’s a false prophecy,
00:32:24 but it’s not. Um, there’s still stuff
00:32:27 from Isaiah that hasn’t been fulfilled,
00:32:29 even from Yeshua that hasn’t been
00:32:31 fulfilled. As we can see from Isa even
00:32:34 from Isaiah chapter 8, there’s wording
00:32:36 in that section
00:32:39 in that section that isn’t even
00:32:41 necessarily satisfied by the first
00:32:43 coming. Correct.
00:32:45 Uh there was one line that it does look
00:32:48 like it was fulfilled a line there, but
00:32:51 I do think the the greater or the real
00:32:54 fulfillment is the second, right?
00:32:57 >> Yeah.
00:32:59 So,
00:33:01 uh, let’s see. Zach, do you want to read
00:33:03 verse one for us?
00:33:09 Verily, verily, thus sayaith Yahweh,
00:33:12 concerning the wars that will shortly
00:33:14 come to pass, beginning at the rebellion
00:33:17 of South Carolina, which will eventually
00:33:20 terminate in the death and misery of
00:33:22 many souls. Okay, first off, the first
00:33:25 thing in this verse that needs to be
00:33:29 pointed out is wars.
00:33:33 >> You mean that’s plural and not singular?
00:33:36 >> Yes, that is exactly what I mean. It’s
00:33:38 wars that will shortly come to pass
00:33:41 beginning at the rebellion of South
00:33:43 Carolina. That means all these wars are
00:33:46 subsequent to
00:33:49 um
00:33:51 and
00:33:53 and
00:33:55 >> and to add to that and and subsequent to
00:33:58 and following the rebellion of South
00:34:00 Carolina.
00:34:02 >> Now, uh so yes, there
00:34:07 so how far in the future does something
00:34:09 have to be to follow it? I I would say
00:34:12 uh civil war does not qualify and for
00:34:16 what’s coming up in the second coming
00:34:18 and specifically verse three which we’ll
00:34:21 look at a little bit more later makes
00:34:23 some specific connections
00:34:26 uh and how they’re related
00:34:29 >> right
00:34:30 >> disqualifies the first civil war
00:34:34 >> but but I think the main takeaway from
00:34:36 this first verse is wars
00:34:39 >> yes
00:34:39 >> multiple wars
00:34:41 Um now the what things that people will
00:34:44 point to is that the civil war and the
00:34:46 Indian war uh eventually which did
00:34:50 eventually terminate in the death and
00:34:51 misery of many souls. That said,
00:34:55 we’ll see why those don’t really fit the
00:34:58 bill as we go forward. Yeah. Uh, and one
00:35:01 thing we can do more on later, but I do
00:35:04 believe verse one is connected with the
00:35:07 first seal and the second seal.
00:35:12 >> Yeah. Okay. So, let why don’t you go
00:35:14 ahead and do do you think this would be
00:35:17 a good time to bring that up or do you
00:35:18 think we should wait until uh another
00:35:20 version?
00:35:20 >> Uh, sure. We can at least do the first
00:35:22 sale one if you want. Uh, do you want to
00:35:25 bring up the page or do you Okay, you’re
00:35:27 gonna give it to me.
00:35:28 >> I’m gonna give it to you. Okay.
00:35:33 So, uh I have the first seal um as the
00:35:37 second USA Civil War uh beginning at
00:35:40 South Carolina. Uh and there’s a lot of
00:35:43 things here. Uh and you’ll see I have
00:35:46 verses 1 through two on that. Uh and but
00:35:50 as going with the seals though, we’d
00:35:52 probably go look at uh Revelation 62.
00:35:55 >> Yes.
00:35:57 So, uh, and I’ll read that. And I saw
00:36:01 and beheld a white horse, and he that
00:36:05 sat on him had a bow. Uh, and a bow is
00:36:08 used for war. Okay. Oh, didn’t we just
00:36:11 read about wars
00:36:13 and had a crown was given unto him as
00:36:17 in, you know, crown is to take in
00:36:19 charge.
00:36:20 >> And he went forth conquering and to
00:36:24 conquer. So this to me, which we get
00:36:27 more into a little bit in the D and C in
00:36:30 87 in a minute, but this sounds like
00:36:32 conquer to do more conquering or war to
00:36:36 do more war. War to get into more war.
00:36:39 Yeah, that’s that’s a pretty good
00:36:41 assessment here. So, if you’ll give me
00:36:44 back the thing now, we can go back into
00:36:46 um you go back into uh verse two.
00:36:51 Okay. Alrighty, Andrew, do you want to
00:36:54 read verse two for us?
00:37:02 >> I’ll pause for a second.
00:37:08 >> And the time will come that war will be
00:37:11 poured out upon all nations, beginning
00:37:14 at this place.
00:37:15 >> Okay, so let’s take let’s take a look at
00:37:20 the Civil War.
00:37:22 and let’s see if we can discover that
00:37:25 war was poured out upon all nations
00:37:27 beginning at the Civil War.
00:37:32 Um,
00:37:34 the closest war
00:37:36 to the Civil War was the Native American
00:37:40 Wars in the West of America, but that’s
00:37:43 still not all nations.
00:37:47 >> That was just the US.
00:37:49 The next closest war is the bore war
00:37:53 which is in South Africa
00:37:57 and uh did not include all nations
00:37:59 either. So unless we’re going to say
00:38:05 that 50 years qualifies as a
00:38:09 nice uh as a um as being directly led
00:38:14 into by as a nice period of time for
00:38:17 being directly led into by the civil
00:38:19 war. We can’t even begin to point to a
00:38:22 world war
00:38:25 that
00:38:26 was poured out.
00:38:31 And that’s just a simple fact.
00:38:34 That’s not even that’s not even
00:38:36 negotiable. And that’s even assuming
00:38:39 that you believe that the whole world
00:38:41 was at war in World War I,
00:38:44 >> which it wasn’t. Um
00:38:48 >> um and so
00:38:50 this clearly points
00:38:54 to
00:38:56 war. The time will come that war will be
00:38:58 poured out upon all nations beginning at
00:39:01 this place. This place the main co the
00:39:05 main place that has been being talked
00:39:07 about so far is South Carolina. So that
00:39:09 is what you can reasonably interpret
00:39:12 this place to mean especially
00:39:15 considering that this is part of that
00:39:17 sentence. Verse two is a part of the
00:39:19 verse one sentence. Correct. And on top
00:39:22 of this since we just read Revelation
00:39:24 6:2 which is the first seal that doesn’t
00:39:27 that sound like a war to cause war?
00:39:30 >> Yeah.
00:39:30 >> Or a war is about conquering right. So
00:39:33 this sounds like a conquer to do conquer
00:39:36 more conquer. You know, the if you’re
00:39:39 looking if you’re paying attention to
00:39:41 current events,
00:39:43 it’s very clear that the only thing
00:39:46 that’s keeping um war break world war
00:39:51 that’s keeping war from breaking out in
00:39:54 um on a broader scale than it already is
00:40:00 in uh the Pacific and in um Europe and
00:40:06 in uh Europe
00:40:10 is the presence of the strength and
00:40:12 might of the United States Army military
00:40:15 I should say.
00:40:19 If that had to be directed back inside
00:40:22 itself,
00:40:24 what then is the restrainer that keeps
00:40:27 these wars from happening?
00:40:30 The expansion of this war from
00:40:31 happening?
00:40:32 >> There really isn’t any
00:40:37 And that’s a solid fact.
00:40:39 >> Yeah. And so there is a drive to destroy
00:40:44 the USA
00:40:46 aka the war that can cause more wars.
00:40:50 >> Yes.
00:40:51 >> Because USA although with its problems
00:40:54 it is holding some peace
00:40:57 right although it may not be doing the
00:41:00 best way. Okay.
00:41:02 And it seems to and even though it seems
00:41:04 to have established peace in the Middle
00:41:06 East and another false prophecy
00:41:08 fulfillment
00:41:10 um
00:41:10 >> uh yeah that has to go off of Daniel 9
00:41:14 false which is already completely done.
00:41:17 So
00:41:17 >> yeah, Daniel 9 is done. The only parts
00:41:20 of Daniel that are not yet done I think
00:41:22 are parts of 10 through 12 and the uh
00:41:26 statue
00:41:27 >> uh and then seven.
00:41:29 >> Yeah. Uh yeah and seven. Yeah. Um,
00:41:32 that’s just going off refer guys. So,
00:41:35 anyways, I’ll put up my Daniel page. So,
00:41:40 >> so,
00:41:41 >> oh, well, actually, there is stuff from
00:41:42 the second, too. Sorry, I just
00:41:44 remembered
00:41:46 um because the the feet that’s second
00:41:50 coming stuff, but anyways.
00:41:51 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, that yeah, the let
00:41:53 chapter two. That’s what I was saying.
00:41:54 The statue.
00:41:55 >> Oh, the statue. Yeah, yeah, that’s true.
00:41:57 That is chapter two. Okay,
00:41:59 >> so yeah. Um
00:42:02 so yeah so uh so now we here this verse
00:42:07 two
00:42:09 destroys
00:42:11 the possibility
00:42:13 that this is fulfilled in the civil war.
00:42:17 Though it very clearly does not destroy
00:42:20 the possibility that the civil war is a
00:42:22 type and shadow
00:42:25 of what this prophecy is actually about.
00:42:29 >> Right? um because there’s tons of
00:42:32 correlations uh that we see which is I I
00:42:35 do believe why a lot of people believe
00:42:37 or at least one of the reasons why they
00:42:39 believe it’s the first civil war. Uh
00:42:42 also two also leads into the second seal
00:42:46 if that’s okay I can read that.
00:42:49 >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Stop sharing.
00:42:52 >> Maybe let’s stop sharing and I’ll
00:42:54 reshare.
00:42:59 Oh, let’s don’t need to show that other
00:43:02 window. Don’t need to see my terminal
00:43:04 window.
00:43:06 Uh well, that’s kind of boring for this
00:43:08 uh lesson. But anyways, so uh the second
00:43:13 seal in Revelation 6 is verses 3-4. And
00:43:17 when he had opened the second seal, I
00:43:19 heard the second beast say, “Come and
00:43:23 see.” And there went out another horse
00:43:26 that was red, and power was given to him
00:43:29 that he sat there on to take peace from
00:43:31 the world. So no more peace. So like war
00:43:36 of the world or maybe all nations.
00:43:41 >> Mhm.
00:43:42 >> And that they should kill one another.
00:43:45 Oh, that sounds like a war. And that
00:43:47 there was given unto him a great sword
00:43:50 as in in this case sword would be go
00:43:53 along with war. Okay. In fact that
00:43:57 reminds me all the first seals have a
00:44:02 horse and horse has to do with war.
00:44:05 >> Marshall power. Yes.
00:44:07 >> Um which uh as we go through here you
00:44:10 can see that on all of them. Um the
00:44:14 third maybe not as much but it’s a
00:44:16 different type of war. Right. So
00:44:20 >> all right.
00:44:21 >> So keeping in mind what the second seal
00:44:24 is.
00:44:25 >> Mhm.
00:44:25 >> While we’re reading it in um this next
00:44:28 verse I think will be important. Right.
00:44:31 >> Yes. So let’s see. Let’s go to let’s uh
00:44:37 let’s go here to verse three. Zack. Um,
00:44:42 Zach, do you want to read that? Or John,
00:44:44 do you want to read? Johnny, do you want
00:44:46 to read that?
00:44:46 >> Yeah.
00:44:48 For behold, the southern states shall be
00:44:53 divided against the northern states, and
00:44:56 the southern states will call on other
00:44:59 nations, even the nation of Great
00:45:02 Britain, as it is called, and they shall
00:45:06 also call upon other nations in order to
00:45:10 defend themselves against other nations.
00:45:15 and then war shall be poured out upon
00:45:21 all nations.
00:45:23 >> So let’s first acknowledge the parts
00:45:26 that seem to fit the civil war.
00:45:30 So we have the southern states divided
00:45:32 against the northern states. That
00:45:34 clearly seems to fit the civil war.
00:45:36 Southern the southern states did call
00:45:39 upon other nations. They called upon
00:45:41 Great Britain and they called upon
00:45:42 France.
00:45:44 Um, Great Britain was uh Great Britain
00:45:49 was was more likely to get involved than
00:45:52 and France was kind of interested. They
00:45:55 wanted to see how uh they wanted to see
00:45:57 how the South would be able to stand
00:45:59 would would be able to stand against the
00:46:01 North before they really committed
00:46:03 themselves.
00:46:05 Um
00:46:07 uh but so that’s what we have there and
00:46:11 that is about as far as
00:46:14 and that is about as far as it as the
00:46:17 similarity goes. Uh unless you uh unless
00:46:20 you place the they on the southern
00:46:22 states um and then you could include
00:46:25 France in order to defend themselves
00:46:28 against other nations. Russia did
00:46:30 provide some aid to the Union but they
00:46:34 were not actually involved in the actual
00:46:37 fighting
00:46:39 >> right so that wouldn’t be nation against
00:46:40 nation there
00:46:41 >> that’s not nation against nation so here
00:46:44 it falls apart in order to defend
00:46:46 themselves against other nations. Now if
00:46:49 you look at this from a current events
00:46:52 standpoint, second coming standpoint
00:46:57 um and you place the they and the they
00:47:00 is Great Britain. Great Britain is in a
00:47:03 confederation with other nations known
00:47:06 as NATO
00:47:08 that they would call upon to defend
00:47:11 themselves against other nations, say
00:47:14 Russia
00:47:16 and the BRICS nations,
00:47:19 and war shall be poured out upon all
00:47:21 nations. Now, I I personally believe
00:47:24 that and they shall call upon other
00:47:27 nations is talking about Great Britain.
00:47:31 >> Mhm. Um and then they goes along with
00:47:34 multiple people which a nation is right.
00:47:38 >> Yeah.
00:47:38 >> Um and back during the Civil War time,
00:47:44 Great Britain, I think there was the
00:47:46 saying something along the lines, the
00:47:48 sun never set on Great Britain. So
00:47:50 >> the sun never set the sun never sets on
00:47:52 the British Empire. And this was the
00:47:54 time when that was true. Um uh they were
00:47:57 the most powerful nation in the world.
00:48:01 They were not threatened by any other
00:48:04 nation at this time.
00:48:06 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, uh
00:48:08 >> everybody, in fact, at this time,
00:48:09 everybody wanted to do trade with them
00:48:11 because they had their hands in all the
00:48:13 hot trade bets,
00:48:15 >> which probably because they forced
00:48:17 themselves there. But that’s another
00:48:19 >> uh absolutely um
00:48:21 >> which is what the USA has done today. A
00:48:23 very interesting study if you really
00:48:25 want to get into dark things is uh to go
00:48:27 to look at how the British East India
00:48:30 Company um subverted the rule of India.
00:48:36 >> Yes. And that gets with Gandhi even if I
00:48:38 remember correctly. But
00:48:39 >> well yes that’s actually he that’s at
00:48:41 the very tail end of it but yeah.
00:48:44 >> Yeah. Okay. Anyways so I did remember
00:48:46 some history.
00:48:48 >> Yeah. Anyways
00:48:50 um yeah so this is the But th this is um
00:48:56 this is basically so they were not in
00:49:00 threat during the time of the civil war
00:49:02 from any other nation.
00:49:04 >> Correct.
00:49:05 >> So and another way and I think Ben
00:49:07 already said it but I’ll say it again.
00:49:09 Um I think the way to read this is then
00:49:12 say the nation that they called upon
00:49:15 needs to defend themselves.
00:49:17 >> Yes,
00:49:18 >> I believe that’s the way to read it. But
00:49:19 if you want to read it like the USA
00:49:22 needed to defend them against other
00:49:23 nations, that did not happen during the
00:49:26 first civil war at all. It was Oh, wait.
00:49:31 The name is civil. So, it was an
00:49:34 internal war.
00:49:35 >> Internal dispute.
00:49:37 >> Yes.
00:49:38 >> Uh, a lot of people died over an
00:49:40 internal dispute, but it
00:49:41 >> Yes. So, we do not want to put down the
00:49:43 deaths that happened. Okay. Now the
00:49:46 Indians they helped but it was not an
00:49:49 Indian war
00:49:51 >> and they did help both sides but
00:49:55 it was uh northern USA or northern
00:49:59 states against the southern states. It
00:50:01 was not nation against nation. And so
00:50:04 what you have here is the southern is so
00:50:09 what we have here in our uh second in
00:50:13 our with this now being shifted from the
00:50:17 civil war as the fulfillment to the
00:50:19 second coming as the fulfillment. Um
00:50:22 what we now have is um
00:50:26 there’s a rebellion within the United
00:50:28 States. I don’t think even the the
00:50:30 southern and northern states in this
00:50:32 view is even important. Um
00:50:35 >> I think maybe on that point, do you want
00:50:37 to look at the definition of state?
00:50:40 >> Yeah, let’s take a let’s um let’s take a
00:50:44 look at that real quick. I’m going to
00:50:46 stop sharing so that I can find that
00:50:49 definition.
00:50:50 >> You want me to pause a second?
00:50:52 >> Yeah, please.
00:50:55 So, we have here according to the 1828
00:51:00 Webster’s dictionary, handsome fellow.
00:51:02 Sure. No. Um,
00:51:05 >> well, hopefully his wife thought he was
00:51:07 handsome, but anyways.
00:51:08 >> Yes, hopefully. Uh, and so, uh, and so
00:51:12 here we have the definition of state.
00:51:15 Uh, the the first definition is
00:51:17 condition. the circumstances of a being
00:51:20 or thing at any given time such as your
00:51:23 state of health, your what have you.
00:51:25 This isn’t particularly helpful.
00:51:29 Uh the modification of anything that
00:51:32 would be the change of state
00:51:35 >> not necessarily helpful either.
00:51:38 Crisis stationary point height point
00:51:42 from which the next movement is
00:51:44 regression.
00:51:48 Okay.
00:51:49 That’s not necessarily uh that’s not
00:51:52 necessarily helpful either.
00:51:54 >> You know, I was talking about a
00:51:55 particular type of state.
00:51:57 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, estate or possession
00:52:04 that doesn’t help does. Do you think
00:52:07 that gives us any
00:52:08 >> Oh, more estate planning things that you
00:52:10 own. So,
00:52:11 >> yeah. A political body or body politic.
00:52:16 The whole body of people united under
00:52:18 one government. Whatever may be the form
00:52:20 of the government.
00:52:22 >> That one definitely applies.
00:52:27 >> So that’s a body of people united under
00:52:29 one government.
00:52:31 >> Yeah. And so that could be actual states
00:52:35 or it could be political parties.
00:52:37 >> Right. That is correct because political
00:52:40 parties actually have their own
00:52:43 government within them. Mhm.
00:52:47 >> And so that is so they do constitute a
00:52:52 body politic
00:52:54 and that will and that points us well
00:52:56 that before you go I do like definition
00:52:59 six
00:52:59 >> and definition six a body of men united
00:53:02 by profession or constituting a
00:53:04 community of a particular character.
00:53:06 This definitely points more to a
00:53:08 political party.
00:53:10 >> Mhm.
00:53:11 >> Uh as the civil and ecclesiastical
00:53:14 states of Great Britain.
00:53:17 This is two bodies of this is two bodies
00:53:20 of governing power within the same
00:53:25 country.
00:53:29 But these are sometimes distinguished by
00:53:31 the terms church and state. In this
00:53:32 case, state representing the civil
00:53:34 community or government only. And so
00:53:37 that is but the but when you look at
00:53:40 these two definitions five and six, you
00:53:43 can see a very definite pointing to the
00:53:47 thing about political parties. And the
00:53:50 this is this is the issue that we have
00:53:54 is that in America
00:53:56 people of different political parties
00:53:59 live next door to each other.
00:54:02 Yes. Uh and
00:54:06 uh when a different uh political part is
00:54:09 in charge, the other one complains of
00:54:12 Jerry
00:54:14 >> Yeah. gerrymandering.
00:54:15 >> Mandering. Yeah, that’s right. Which is
00:54:17 changing the voting boundaries, but they
00:54:19 love it when their own party does it.
00:54:20 So, I mean, it’s a double standard, but
00:54:24 >> uh the reason that works is because
00:54:27 there’s people of different uh political
00:54:31 thought living close to each other,
00:54:34 right?
00:54:35 >> Which also supports what is it? DNC 43
00:54:40 maybe
00:54:41 >> where uh you’re going after your
00:54:44 neighbor actually.
00:54:48 >> Uh I think that’s 43. We could pause and
00:54:51 find.
00:54:51 >> Yeah, let’s Yeah, let’s let’s go to that
00:54:54 now.
00:54:54 >> Okay, I’m going to pause.
00:54:59 >> Okay, so as we were talking about with
00:55:02 this war being between the southern
00:55:04 states and the northern states and if
00:55:06 you can and we look at the state
00:55:09 definition of state, it shows body
00:55:11 politic or
00:55:14 you know two governing two governing
00:55:17 bodies within the same state.
00:55:20 uh two two two uh axes of government
00:55:24 within the same state. We within the
00:55:26 same within the same country and when we
00:55:30 see that the um
00:55:32 when we see that the uh
00:55:36 when we see that the parties are so
00:55:37 intermingled with each other across the
00:55:39 United States right now. Um, also when
00:55:44 you consider that the Democratic Party
00:55:45 was the southern states in the Civil War
00:55:50 and the Republican Party was the
00:55:52 northern states in the uh
00:55:56 in the Civil War.
00:56:00 Even so we can see that those that the
00:56:06 Even so we can see that this now points
00:56:09 to a you can see some correlation to
00:56:13 party between states
00:56:16 and proponent and prime and uh and
00:56:19 parties.
00:56:22 And so what we have here is a situation
00:56:27 because the people of different parties
00:56:29 live next door to each other.
00:56:32 We have a situation for the fulfillment
00:56:34 of this prophecy concerning the second
00:56:37 coming. And with uh the
00:56:42 starting in verse 68, reading verse 68,
00:56:45 it shall come to pass among the wicked
00:56:48 among the wicked. This means that Zion
00:56:51 has already been established, those
00:56:52 people are not the wicked. But among
00:56:55 those who are not outside of Zion,
00:56:58 the wicked that every man that will not
00:57:00 take up his sword against his neighbor
00:57:02 must needs flee to Zion for safety.
00:57:06 Now, this is a little after the seal,
00:57:09 but I don’t that we’re currently talking
00:57:12 about, but I don’t see the circumstances
00:57:15 changing much from the second to the
00:57:17 fourth seal. Okay. Right.
00:57:20 >> And and interestingly enough, uh verse
00:57:23 63 actually talks about the first and
00:57:26 the second still if you want to scroll a
00:57:28 little bit.
00:57:29 >> Ye hear of wars in foreign lands, but
00:57:31 behold I say unto you, they are nigh
00:57:33 even at your doors
00:57:35 and not many years hence ye shall hear
00:57:38 of wars in your own lands.
00:57:44 >> So that sounds like the first and the
00:57:46 second seal. Mhm.
00:57:50 Yes. And doctrine in covenants 87 is
00:57:53 also the key.
00:57:56 Those two 87 and 45 go together really
00:58:00 nicely showing the type and shadow of
00:58:02 the civil war
00:58:04 and the and and its ultimate fulfillment
00:58:07 in the second civil war which brings
00:58:09 about which is the war to cause more
00:58:12 wars.
00:58:14 >> Correct. Or to conquer to conquer.
00:58:18 Conquering to conquer.
00:58:19 >> Yeah. Conquering to conquer. Um which
00:58:23 goes along with how the USA needs to be
00:58:25 destroyed
00:58:27 >> because they’re to a certain degree they
00:58:29 are keeping peace everywhere. Right.
00:58:32 >> Yes.
00:58:34 >> Now, if you’re willing, can I read the
00:58:36 third seal from Revelations?
00:58:39 >> Yeah, absolutely.
00:58:41 Okay. So, let me share my screen.
00:58:45 Yeah, I got for that.
00:58:49 Uh, okay. So,
00:58:53 >> it’s Revelations 5-6.
00:58:56 Uh, I’ll just put it there at the top.
00:58:58 And when he had opened the third seal, I
00:59:00 heard the third beast say, “Come and
00:59:03 see.” And I beheld, and lo, a black
00:59:06 horse, and he that sat on him had a pair
00:59:09 of balances in his hand. Uh so uh
00:59:14 balances in this case is going to deal
00:59:17 with commerce. Okay.
00:59:20 >> Which actually also has to do with
00:59:23 eating. Okay.
00:59:24 >> Mhm.
00:59:25 >> And I heard a voice in the midst of the
00:59:27 Oh no. I guess I just read what I needed
00:59:30 to. Sorry about that. I was going too
00:59:32 far ahead.
00:59:33 >> Okay. So now with that in place,
00:59:40 uh yeah,
00:59:43 we now go back here
00:59:48 into verse 4.
00:59:51 Uh Zach, do you want to read that?
00:59:58 And it shall come to pass after many
01:00:00 days slaves shall raise up against their
01:00:03 masters who shall be marshaled and
01:00:05 disciplined for war.
01:00:07 >> Okay, so this
01:00:11 I have often held this to be the
01:00:13 populace rising up against their masters
01:00:16 because uh the populace rising up
01:00:18 against the um leaders of the state
01:00:23 uh because they can’t purchase what they
01:00:26 need. the social contract has been
01:00:29 broken and they rise up there. The
01:00:33 slaves rise up.
01:00:36 Um, this is one way that I have looked
01:00:39 at this in regards to the second coming.
01:00:41 Now, before we go too far with that,
01:00:44 again, I want to acknowledge the way
01:00:46 that the civil war coincides with this
01:00:50 prophecy, and that is that there were uh
01:00:54 many slave uprisings in the south.
01:00:58 um throughout the civil war. Uh so that
01:01:03 that is something that did happen. Um
01:01:07 and they were put down by they and
01:01:11 that’s one of the things that actually
01:01:14 kept the South from being as effective
01:01:16 in certain places with their military
01:01:18 against the Union military because they
01:01:20 were having to put down rebellions
01:01:24 uh among the slaves.
01:01:27 So, I think also maybe to help with
01:01:29 this, there’s one in second Peter that
01:01:31 maybe uh that’s on my list that maybe we
01:01:34 should read if you’re willing to.
01:01:36 >> Absolutely. Let’s take a look at it
01:01:38 here.
01:01:40 I’m going to go here.
01:01:41 >> Actually, stop share because there’s a a
01:01:43 new translation for it.
01:01:45 >> Okay.
01:01:46 >> It’s a minor one, but it’s
01:01:50 >> this translation.
01:01:53 >> So, Oh, yeah. We don’t have to see my
01:01:54 terminal. I’m doing other things.
01:01:57 Anyways, so uh this is the new
01:02:00 translation second Peter 2:3. And though
01:02:04 of your covenantness shall they with
01:02:08 fain words make merchandise of you
01:02:12 um which uh they have. Anyways, that’s
01:02:15 another subject. Whose judgment now of a
01:02:18 long time lingereth not. So meaning
01:02:22 judgment upon them is coming.
01:02:25 >> Yes.
01:02:26 >> And there here the King James sound says
01:02:30 damnation, but the new translation says
01:02:33 destruction slumberereth not. Meaning
01:02:36 they’re going to be destroyed as in
01:02:39 slaves because they’re merchandise
01:02:42 rising up against the masters.
01:02:45 >> Yes. And that’s actually a very good
01:02:47 verse correlating that. Um and and
01:02:51 that’s and that’s correlating that um
01:02:54 that meaning that I that I’m talking
01:02:58 about there. Uh so I kind of I of course
01:03:02 I kind of like that.
01:03:03 >> I can’t imagine why.
01:03:05 >> Yeah. So but um
01:03:10 so but there’s another meaning that
01:03:12 Stephen brought out the last time we
01:03:14 were recording that I that kind of grew
01:03:17 on me a little bit.
01:03:19 And you want to go into that?
01:03:21 >> Uh, can you remind me about the national
01:03:23 about the National Guard?
01:03:25 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s going off of
01:03:27 something you’re saying. So, um, the
01:03:32 National Guard are slaves. Okay.
01:03:37 >> And they’re learning war. Now, the uh I
01:03:43 I’m sorry if I don’t remember the names
01:03:45 of the officers, but the top officers
01:03:48 are the ones that are the actual
01:03:50 masters.
01:03:52 >> Mhm.
01:03:53 >> Uh and so if the National Guard, they’re
01:03:56 slaves, meaning they do what they’re
01:03:58 told. That’s what slaves do, right? They
01:04:01 do what they’re told.
01:04:03 >> Mhm.
01:04:04 >> Uh by their masters. And these slaves
01:04:08 are being disciplined for war.
01:04:13 That actually kind of sounds like the
01:04:14 National Guard or just any army in
01:04:17 general, right?
01:04:20 Except here’s the one’s part that’s
01:04:22 going to be specific that they’re these
01:04:25 slaves or members
01:04:27 are going to rise up against the
01:04:29 commands of their masters. They’re like,
01:04:31 “We’re not going to do that.”
01:04:34 Um, and I think a lot of it is because
01:04:36 they’re they don’t want to fight against
01:04:38 their own people, aka Americans, like
01:04:42 they’re going to be told to do
01:04:44 for National Guard and for the National
01:04:46 Guard.
01:04:48 these people.
01:04:53 When you think about the National Guard
01:04:54 being called out just to do law
01:04:56 enforcement stuff on streets of these
01:04:59 cities, for many of these people, these
01:05:02 people that they’re doing this stuff on
01:05:04 are their neighbors.
01:05:08 >> And they’re uh and they’re people that
01:05:10 they live in the same city with.
01:05:14 So you can kind of see that even with
01:05:17 not completely but a little bit with ICE
01:05:20 right now, right? I think it’s those are
01:05:22 the words
01:05:24 >> or the word acronym for them.
01:05:27 >> Um some are having a hard time. They
01:05:29 don’t like their job, but they’re doing
01:05:30 it right now. But they’re the other
01:05:34 citizens aren’t liking it. I I mean I
01:05:37 will admit I don’t like how they’re
01:05:39 doing it. Okay, but that’s another
01:05:42 issue. But it it’s I do see it leading
01:05:46 up to this.
01:05:47 >> What I see is ICE crack doing a great
01:05:50 job of cracking down on construction
01:05:52 workers and migrant farmers and doing a
01:05:55 really lousy job of getting rid of all
01:05:57 the criminals.
01:05:59 >> Yes. Which uh could actually be part of
01:06:03 their plan because that’s going to help
01:06:04 cause more division, right?
01:06:07 >> Yeah.
01:06:07 >> And help with the civil war that needs
01:06:10 to happen first. And while they’ve
01:06:13 caught a couple of high-profile
01:06:14 criminals that they’ve deported so that
01:06:18 they can make it look good, generally
01:06:21 speaking, what they’re going after are
01:06:24 um
01:06:26 the people who’ve been brought to work
01:06:28 in America under um illegal pretenses.
01:06:33 >> Yes. Yeah. Um
01:06:37 there’s a lot of people that are trying
01:06:39 to come in the country illegally that
01:06:41 are just trying to make a better life.
01:06:43 There is the issue of the illegal.
01:06:45 >> The illegal aspect I can’t sympathize
01:06:48 with. I cannot sympathize with that.
01:06:50 >> Right. And there’s a lot of people have
01:06:52 been trying to get in the country
01:06:53 legally and they’re being denied and
01:06:55 these illegals are being allowed to
01:06:57 stay. That that’s it’s a big mess. We’ll
01:07:00 just leave it at that. Okay. It’s a big
01:07:03 >> Yeah. So, but the point is
01:07:06 all of these people are getting these
01:07:09 people are getting to the point where
01:07:10 they’re getting fed up.
01:07:12 >> Yeah. On on all sides of the issue
01:07:16 >> on multiple levels here. And so the
01:07:18 slaves will rise up against their
01:07:20 masters, especially
01:07:24 when the dollar collapses and we are no
01:07:27 longer able to buy food.
01:07:29 >> Yes. because uh
01:07:34 and with how what other things that are
01:07:37 stated during this seal that is
01:07:38 definitely part of it right the balances
01:07:40 and revelations
01:07:43 um and there’s the phrase of
01:07:48 uh a whole day’s wage but which is a
01:07:50 penny right
01:07:52 >> yeah um for a
01:07:56 >> for a loaf of bread
01:07:58 >> for a loaf of But
01:08:02 so the but the main thing the you know
01:08:05 the in
01:08:06 >> Oh let me read that because
01:08:08 >> yeah yeah
01:08:09 >> I do that actually is part of the third
01:08:11 seal. I just got a little confused.
01:08:13 Sorry my bad.
01:08:14 >> Yep. Yep.
01:08:15 >> Um so
01:08:17 >> revelation
01:08:18 >> and I even have it there. I just I it’s
01:08:21 probably because I heard the fourth be
01:08:23 but it does talk about the penny stuff
01:08:25 and then open the four cell. So the four
01:08:28 cell starts at seven. I just got
01:08:29 confused. Sorry about that. So, I’ll
01:08:31 read five and then six. Okay.
01:08:34 >> And when he had opened the third sail, I
01:08:36 heard the third beast say, “Come and
01:08:38 see.” And I beheld, and lo, a black
01:08:40 horse, and he’s he that sat on him had a
01:08:44 pair of balances in his hand. And I
01:08:45 heard a voice in the midst of in the
01:08:48 midst, so around the fourth beast, of a
01:08:52 measure of wheat for a penny, and three
01:08:55 measures of barley for a penny. Uh, see
01:08:58 that thou not hurt the oil and the wine.
01:09:02 So, um, I do want to bring out here this
01:09:06 penny goes along with the day’s wage
01:09:09 during the New Testament time. Okay.
01:09:12 Um,
01:09:14 and three measures of barley for a
01:09:16 penny. So, that’s food for a penny.
01:09:19 Okay. But thou shalt not hurt the oil
01:09:22 and the wine. So, the guy that we were
01:09:25 talking to that ended up not uh
01:09:27 publishing, he did bring out how this
01:09:29 has to do with cooking here uh the oil
01:09:32 and the wine which goes along with the
01:09:34 wheat and the barley. So, I do think
01:09:36 that was a good insight.
01:09:38 Um I do believe on the deeper portion or
01:09:42 the um more symbolic or spiritual level
01:09:46 it has to do with those who have
01:09:48 received the holy spirit which is the
01:09:51 oil and the atonement the wine. Okay.
01:09:55 >> Yes.
01:09:56 >> So I do see both aspects there uh with
01:09:59 about the cooking that actually kind of
01:10:01 goes with the context right with the
01:10:03 wheat and the barley. Well, and this is
01:10:05 a this is actually a good warning from
01:10:07 the scriptures
01:10:10 to get some hard skills for yourself.
01:10:13 Yeah. Don’t be just a software engineer
01:10:15 like my uh uh career is. Uh get some
01:10:20 other skills that can actually do
01:10:22 something in the real world.
01:10:25 >> Yeah.
01:10:27 I mean, I’m a software engineer, but I
01:10:28 don’t want computers controlling
01:10:31 everything in my life, which is maybe
01:10:34 unusual for someone in my position, but
01:10:37 I
01:10:38 >> Yeah,
01:10:39 >> I maybe I’m still old school, but I
01:10:42 probably won’t change on that. But
01:10:44 anyways,
01:10:45 >> I don’t see any reason to. Okay, so that
01:10:48 is so that is that.
01:10:53 So I I do think there’s an aspect of
01:10:55 both on on that aspect, right?
01:10:58 >> Yeah, I think so.
01:11:00 >> There is the trading that is displayed
01:11:02 in various ways and then there’s the
01:11:05 masters displayed in multiple ways also
01:11:07 or multiple verses, right?
01:11:10 >> Absolutely.
01:11:11 >> In both of these portions. So
01:11:15 >> So here we go. Let’s go to uh and uh
01:11:20 Johnny, you want to read verse five?
01:11:22 Sure.
01:11:24 And it can’t wait a minute. And it shall
01:11:28 come to pass also that the remnant who
01:11:32 are left of the land will marshall
01:11:36 themselves
01:11:38 and shall become exceedingly angry and
01:11:42 shall vex the Gentiles with a sore
01:11:46 vacation.
01:11:49 Thank you Johnny uh for the uh for the
01:11:51 character for the character laced
01:11:53 reading there. Um so what we have here
01:11:58 is
01:12:00 the remnants. The remnants are the
01:12:02 descendants of Lehi
01:12:05 uh who were judged by the Gentiles.
01:12:10 >> Actually they’re judged by Yahweh.
01:12:12 >> Yeah. Judged by
01:12:14 >> Yahweh used the Gentiles to punish them.
01:12:16 But the Gentiles went too far in their
01:12:19 punishment.
01:12:20 >> Yeah, we we’ll go with that. Um and so
01:12:24 that they uh so these these will
01:12:28 marshall themselves.
01:12:31 Marshall means to prepare for war.
01:12:34 >> Mhm.
01:12:36 >> And shall become exceedingly angry and
01:12:37 shall vex the Gentiles with a sword of
01:12:39 vexation. Let’s first acknowledge the
01:12:41 type and shadow. Um because the United
01:12:45 States uh because the United States Army
01:12:48 was fighting with itself in the Civil
01:12:50 War, uh the Native Americans took
01:12:54 advantage of the situation.
01:12:56 Um
01:12:58 started it did some massac did a
01:13:00 massacre of uh of some of the leftover
01:13:05 Union troops out in the um out on the
01:13:07 frontier.
01:13:10 um which resulted in the almost
01:13:12 immediate starting of the um of the uh
01:13:18 North American Indian uh of the uh
01:13:20 Plains Indian Wars.
01:13:23 Um correct. But the one thing to bring
01:13:25 out although uh the Lehites did that,
01:13:31 it was the Lehites that got the vexation
01:13:34 >> in the end. The Lehites got extremely
01:13:36 vexed. They lost all their land. they
01:13:39 were forced to relocate to other lands.
01:13:42 >> And so that happened after the wars, but
01:13:44 even during the wars, there was ton more
01:13:48 Lehites that died than the
01:13:51 >> Mhm.
01:13:51 >> uh the ar than the army by we’d have to
01:13:55 look at the numbers again, but it was
01:13:57 like 10 or 100.
01:13:59 >> It was about 10. It was about It was
01:14:01 about a It was about 100 to one.
01:14:04 >> Yeah. So it was the Lehites that got the
01:14:08 sore vexation, not the Gentiles.
01:14:10 >> And so what we see here is the exact the
01:14:13 in the type and shadow the exact
01:14:16 opposite
01:14:17 happened
01:14:19 that is prophesied here
01:14:21 >> on the vexation part because the the
01:14:23 Indians or the Lehites did marshall
01:14:25 themselves
01:14:26 >> but on the vexation part it was the ex
01:14:29 it’s the exact opposite of what’s
01:14:30 prophesied here. So, we don’t even
01:14:33 really have a correlation here. But we
01:14:35 do have a correlation with the fourth
01:14:39 seal.
01:14:40 >> Oh,
01:14:40 >> correct. So, I’ll read that. But before
01:14:42 I do read that, I do want to bring out
01:14:44 this one part and shall become
01:14:45 exceedingly angry.
01:14:48 >> If you look at the Lehites,
01:14:52 they’re very close to a breaking point.
01:14:55 >> Yeah.
01:14:57 Yeah. Um Yeah. there.
01:15:00 It’s there’s a lot of anger. U
01:15:04 >> and it’s justifi and it’s justifiable.
01:15:07 >> Yes, I would agree with that. Um,
01:15:10 when you think about it, we the United
01:15:13 States government,
01:15:15 no matter how the United States
01:15:17 government has killed more of Lehi’s
01:15:20 children
01:15:22 than the
01:15:24 Germans killed of Ashkenazi Jews
01:15:31 or the uh or then the Russians killed of
01:15:35 their own people
01:15:40 >> and the history’s
01:15:41 >> the only the only the only people who
01:15:43 may have killed more of their own people
01:15:45 than America has killed of the Lehites
01:15:48 are Chinese.
01:15:52 >> That’s true. I could see that. Um
01:15:54 >> that that might be the big the Chinese
01:15:57 might be the biggest genocide,
01:16:00 but
01:16:01 >> that’s a valid point. Um, but with the
01:16:04 Lehites, it’s very much hidden history.
01:16:06 Uh, and they hid it behind manifest
01:16:10 destiny so that way they could convince
01:16:12 the people that they could take their
01:16:15 land.
01:16:16 >> Mhm.
01:16:17 >> And then they did a lot of
01:16:21 not keeping the agreements and then
01:16:24 being dirty with the agreements too.
01:16:27 uh making uh
01:16:30 forming framing the agreements in legal
01:16:32 ease which the which they may which they
01:16:36 pro which it seems they did not that the
01:16:39 native populace did not understand.
01:16:43 um thus being being able to steal more
01:16:47 and more of their land as time
01:16:49 progressed,
01:16:51 forcing them onto bearer and bearer
01:16:53 portions as we seized that as we seized
01:16:58 the best of the land that we had quote
01:17:00 unquote given to them.
01:17:02 >> Correct. All right. So, Ben, uh will you
01:17:05 allow me to share my screen?
01:17:07 >> Yep. And let’s go to that fourth seal.
01:17:10 Go back to Revelation 6.
01:17:15 >> Yeah. Uh there it goes. Okay. So, let me
01:17:20 move.
01:17:22 Uh I can’t show it all. Um you’ll have
01:17:24 the link. So, but uh first of all, we’ll
01:17:28 read it in Revelations. So, I’ll go
01:17:38 I don’t see it. So apparently I need to
01:17:40 update it. So but anyways it’s over
01:17:42 here. It’s uh
01:17:46 7 through 8. Uh and when he had opened
01:17:50 the forill I heard the voice of the
01:17:53 fourth beast say come and see. Now this
01:17:57 is going to get a little controversial
01:17:59 so we will talk about it. Okay. And
01:18:02 behold, and I looked, and beheld a pale
01:18:04 horse and and depending on the
01:18:07 translations, that’s even possibly a
01:18:09 green horse. Okay? Or even a speckled
01:18:13 horse,
01:18:14 >> right? It varies. It the the translation
01:18:18 of that Greek word varies.
01:18:21 And I I’ll be honest, I wonder if I like
01:18:25 the speckled more uh because of who this
01:18:29 goat represents as the mighty and strong
01:18:32 one. And uh Jacob, who was renamed
01:18:36 Israel,
01:18:36 >> speckled with the speckled goats.
01:18:39 >> I thought it was lambs.
01:18:41 >> Yeah, it was uh well, they had to come
01:18:44 from goat. They had to come from goats
01:18:46 or sheep. So the speck
01:18:50 all the all the goat all the goats and
01:18:52 sheep producing speckled or ring
01:18:54 straight because of things that he put
01:18:56 in front of them. But right so well I I
01:18:59 think it was lambs or or or sheep but
01:19:01 either way um that uh Jacob was told to
01:19:07 put sticks
01:19:10 in the water.
01:19:13 Sticks? Do you mean like maybe two?
01:19:17 >> Mhm.
01:19:18 >> Huh. This goes along with other
01:19:20 revelations to do with the time uh spec
01:19:23 specifically second Nephi 3 um and
01:19:27 others how and Ezekiel 37 sticks
01:19:32 scriptures
01:19:34 um to get them speckled. Um but anyways
01:19:38 uh that’s my inclination. We’ll leave it
01:19:41 at that because I do believe this is
01:19:43 talking about the mighty strong one.
01:19:44 Now, before I bring out his n what his
01:19:47 name is, okay, I do want to bring out
01:19:50 that one of Yahweh’s names is the angel
01:19:53 of death.
01:19:56 >> Now, um this refers most famously to a
01:20:02 specific event, um Passover.
01:20:06 Okay? family.
01:20:07 >> And uh and by the way, for the
01:20:10 unrepentant, hell does follow in the
01:20:13 wake of death.
01:20:15 >> Yes. Yes, it does. Um
01:20:19 so, and his name that sat on him, so the
01:20:23 one that sat on the horse was death.
01:20:26 Okay? Now, uh that’s not necessarily a
01:20:30 bad thing because uh the angel of death
01:20:33 is Yahweh. Okay? Now I do believe the
01:20:38 why this is his name is because he will
01:20:42 be heading the Lehites
01:20:46 that’s talked about in verse five that
01:20:50 are marshalling themselves.
01:20:52 >> Mhm. Uh the mighty and strong one will
01:20:55 be their leader in their marshalling and
01:20:59 they will
01:21:02 take
01:21:03 the USA or specifically Heartland
01:21:08 back by blood. Going back to DNC 101,
01:21:11 redeemed by blood.
01:21:13 >> So let’s actually take this opportunity
01:21:16 let’s actually take this opportunity to
01:21:18 look at third Nephi chapter 20 which
01:21:20 talks about this.
01:21:22 >> Sure. Sure. Uh so to get the specific
01:21:24 verses uh it’s 11 through 22. Do you
01:21:27 have ones in specific or should we just
01:21:30 do all of those?
01:21:31 >> Um
01:21:32 I think yeah let’s just do uh
01:21:37 let’s just do
01:21:40 35
01:21:41 20.
01:21:48 Uh, let’s see. Cuz it’s, as you can see
01:21:51 here, I have lots of places it goes
01:21:53 along with. And while Ben’s trying to
01:21:56 figure out which one he wants, I will
01:21:57 say this. Uh, it’s during unleavened
01:22:00 bread, which is part of Passover. Okay.
01:22:04 Uh, the there there’s three high
01:22:06 holidays that go together. Um, Passover,
01:22:09 unleaven bread, and first fruits. This
01:22:11 is going to be happening on
01:22:15 unleaven bread. Okay.
01:22:17 >> Okay. So, I’m going to look at 18
01:22:19 through 22.
01:22:21 >> Okay.
01:22:22 >> So, let’s um I’m going to go ahead and
01:22:25 uh
01:22:25 >> Do you want to share or do you want me
01:22:27 just
01:22:28 >> uh Yeah, go ahead and share.
01:22:30 >> Okay. So, 20.
01:22:39 Okay.
01:22:47 Do you want to read it or
01:22:48 >> wait just just a minute? Let me get that
01:22:50 up. Okay. And I will gather my people
01:22:54 together as a man gatherth his sheav
01:22:56 into the floor. For I will make my
01:22:58 people with whom the father hath
01:23:00 covenanted. Yay. I will make my thy horn
01:23:04 iron. Horn is a symbol of power.
01:23:07 >> Yeah.
01:23:08 >> And I will make thy hoofs brass.
01:23:11 And thou shalt beat in pieces many
01:23:13 people, and I will consecrate their gain
01:23:16 unto y, and their substance unto y of
01:23:20 the whole earth. And behold,
01:23:23 >> Yep.
01:23:23 >> So, I do want to bring something out.
01:23:25 So, uh, in the King James during
01:23:28 unleaven bread when the people left with
01:23:32 Moses, it says the Egyptians lent them
01:23:35 things. That’s not a good translation.
01:23:39 um they gave it to the the Israelites
01:23:45 for
01:23:47 unpaid wages. Okay.
01:23:50 Um and but that goes along with other
01:23:54 unleavened bread events that when during
01:23:57 unleavened bread people receive things
01:24:00 from the people that’s been uh pushing
01:24:03 them down. And that’s what we see here.
01:24:07 >> Uhhuh. And so he will consecrate the
01:24:09 gain of the Gentiles unto Ya
01:24:13 >> or the Lehites to be specific in this
01:24:16 case. Um because they’ve been held back
01:24:19 and these agreements that we talked
01:24:22 about earlier actually stole things from
01:24:25 the Lehites.
01:24:26 >> Yep. And it shall come to pass, sayaeth
01:24:29 the Father, that the sword of my justice
01:24:31 shall hang over them at that day, and
01:24:33 except they repent, it shall fall upon
01:24:35 them, sayaeth the Father, ya, even upon
01:24:38 all the nations of the Gentiles, and it
01:24:40 shall come to pass that I will establish
01:24:43 my people, oh house of Israel.
01:24:46 >> Okay, so hold on. So back in 20 it
01:24:48 almost is like it’s talking about these
01:24:50 seals in various ways because upon all
01:24:53 nations that’s
01:24:56 wait a minute
01:24:57 >> this is you find that you find those
01:24:59 words in the at the a little I think in
01:25:03 the very next verse of section 87.
01:25:06 >> Uh yeah. Yeah. Um so there’s a lot of
01:25:10 parallels here and I’m going to say it’s
01:25:12 more than just parallels. It’s because
01:25:14 it’s the same event being talked about
01:25:18 from a different angle. Okay.
01:25:20 >> And in a little more detail.
01:25:23 >> Yeah. Or or different details.
01:25:24 >> Different details. Yes.
01:25:26 >> And behold And behold this people will I
01:25:29 establish in this land unto the
01:25:31 fulfilling of the covenant which I made
01:25:33 with your father Yakov. And it shall be
01:25:36 a new Jerusalem. And the powers of
01:25:39 heaven shall be in the midst of this
01:25:41 people. Yay. Even I will be in the midst
01:25:44 of you. Behold, I am he of whom Moshe
01:25:48 spake, saying, A prophet shall Y
01:25:53 elu raise up unto you of your brethren,
01:25:56 like unto me, him shall ye hear in all
01:25:59 things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
01:26:01 And it shall come to pass that every
01:26:03 soul who will not hear that prophet
01:26:05 shall be cut off from among the people.
01:26:08 So I do want to bring out in verse 22,
01:26:11 he will establish the Lehites in
01:26:14 heartland to fulfill the covenant he
01:26:16 made. So
01:26:19 do you think the Americans are just
01:26:22 going to say, “Okay, here’s your land
01:26:24 back. You can have it.”
01:26:27 No. There this is going to be war. And
01:26:31 hence the land will be redeemed. And you
01:26:34 redeem something by giving it back by
01:26:37 who? It rightfully belongs to
01:26:41 >> by blood.
01:26:43 >> Yes.
01:26:44 >> 101.
01:26:45 >> The redemption is by blood.
01:26:47 >> Uh I have it up here. It’s uh DNC 10180
01:26:52 and DNC 5853. And then I have some
01:26:55 others from to uh the five books
01:26:58 >> from Torah. Yeah. from Torah, from the
01:27:00 first five books of Moses.
01:27:02 >> Yeah. Um so, um I I know that sounds
01:27:08 hard,
01:27:10 but it’s not uncommon. For example,
01:27:14 there’s Joshua.
01:27:16 >> Mhm.
01:27:17 >> He did it. And so,
01:27:22 he’s a redeemer in the pattern. But
01:27:25 sometimes
01:27:27 the responsibilities will go from
01:27:30 messenger to preparer or back and forth
01:27:34 or preparer and redeemer back and forth
01:27:38 and
01:27:38 >> perfect shadow.
01:27:40 >> Yes. And here is another thing.
01:27:44 This may sound like a hard fate decreed
01:27:46 on the nation of America,
01:27:50 but it is justice.
01:27:53 America has lived on the backs of these
01:27:57 has lived on the backs of these people,
01:28:00 the backs of Israel
01:28:04 for long enough.
01:28:06 And justice is mine, sayaith Yah.
01:28:10 >> Yeah. So they haven’t really been so
01:28:14 much using them as slaves as more as
01:28:16 they stole their property.
01:28:19 >> Yeah. Uh yeah, they Yeah.
01:28:23 which has made it it’s made their life
01:28:25 harder than it should have been.
01:28:27 >> And it’s made our lives easier.
01:28:33 >> Yeah.
01:28:33 >> Incredibly.
01:28:34 >> Yes. All right. So, uh let’s go back to
01:28:38 Revelations.
01:28:40 So, there’s multiple things here. His
01:28:42 name shall be death like the angel of
01:28:44 death. And this is the mighty and strong
01:28:46 one. He has many names.
01:28:49 Um,
01:28:51 and it he’s going to be helping the
01:28:56 roaring lions of the Lehites take back
01:28:59 their land, which is a common thing. As
01:29:02 you can see, Joshua did it. There’s
01:29:04 reasons for it. There’s shadows for it.
01:29:08 It’s uh in the the Old Testament. It’s
01:29:12 on Isaiah. Anyways, it’s a lot of
01:29:13 places. Okay. Um, so you can go look at
01:29:17 those and see if it putting all those
01:29:20 together if it makes sense.
01:29:23 >> And then in addition
01:29:25 and hell followed with him. This is not
01:29:29 saying that he caused hell, it came with
01:29:33 him. Uh, and I think Ben has a good
01:29:36 story about Noah that would go help with
01:29:38 this illusion if he wants to tell. Um,
01:29:42 >> flood and people stayed back.
01:29:45 Oh yeah. Yes. Um yeah, Noah, he um he
01:29:51 received the commandment to preach to
01:29:53 the people the gospel of repentance and
01:29:56 he preached that gospel and they
01:29:58 wouldn’t listen. They wouldn’t repent.
01:30:01 And so Yahwa told him to build an ark.
01:30:04 He built that ark
01:30:06 and people mocked him saying that uh you
01:30:11 know things keep going on. We keep
01:30:13 having children and those children keep
01:30:15 doing deeds of great renown. And
01:30:18 what are you talking about, dude? The
01:30:19 end of the world.
01:30:22 And um
01:30:25 so he was u and so he was mocked.
01:30:30 But when he
01:30:33 but when he uh but on the but but when
01:30:36 he sealed but when he climbed into the
01:30:39 ark and Yah sealed the door and people
01:30:42 tried to come and people tried to come
01:30:44 up to the ark
01:30:46 um thinking that they could get in and
01:30:48 be saved.
01:30:50 Um
01:30:54 they were not. They were uh they were
01:30:57 destroyed.
01:30:59 And Noah was carried up upon the water
01:31:02 in the ark in the safe place. And the
01:31:05 others went to hell.
01:31:11 >> Oh, sorry.
01:31:12 >> They had not repented.
01:31:16 >> And interestingly enough, that happened
01:31:18 during second unleavened bread. Okay.
01:31:22 >> Um, yes. Because if there guess what
01:31:25 folks, if there is a second Passover,
01:31:26 there must need to be a second
01:31:28 unleavened bread. And it might as well
01:31:30 follow that there’s a second first
01:31:31 fruits as well.
01:31:32 >> Well, I do have scriptures. I could just
01:31:35 bring this up hopefully just to show it
01:31:37 quickly. Uh I do have references for uh
01:31:41 second unleaven bread.
01:31:44 >> Um
01:31:50 >> got to go up.
01:31:52 See, here’s second unleavened bread. 2
01:31:55 Chronicles 30:13 and 2 Chronicles 30:21.
01:32:01 Uh um so much I’ll just read it. And
01:32:04 there assembled Oh, I should probably
01:32:06 make this bigger. Uh sorry about that.
01:32:10 >> Mhm.
01:32:11 >> 2 Chronicles 30:13. And there assembled
01:32:14 at Jerusalem much people to keep the
01:32:16 feast of unleaven bread in the second
01:32:19 month.
01:32:20 and a great congregation, second
01:32:23 unleaven bread.
01:32:24 >> Y
01:32:25 >> uh and then verse 21, and the children
01:32:27 of Israel that were present at Jerusalem
01:32:29 kept the feast of unleaven bread seven
01:32:31 days with great gladness. And it was
01:32:34 what month was it? Oh yeah, the second.
01:32:36 So it must be second unleaven bread.
01:32:38 >> Yeah.
01:32:39 >> And Levites and the priests praise
01:32:41 Yahweh day by day, singing with loud
01:32:44 instruments unto Yahweh. Okay. So there
01:32:48 is an instance of second unleaven bread
01:32:52 and it even’s calling it feast of
01:32:54 unleaven bread. Okay. Now attached that
01:32:57 is second Passover and second first
01:33:00 fruits I do believe second fruit first
01:33:04 fruits points to the second resurrection
01:33:06 but that’s not this subject of this
01:33:09 recording. Okay. So, but even Noah’s uh
01:33:14 event was during second unleavened
01:33:17 bread. Okay, if if I remember right, it
01:33:20 was actually uh second first fruits, I
01:33:25 think. But anyways, that’s a whole
01:33:27 another subject. We’re not going to get
01:33:28 into that. Um then this next part, and
01:33:31 hell followed with him. It doesn’t say
01:33:35 he caused hell. It said it it followed
01:33:38 him or came after him. Okay, we can in
01:33:43 fact let’s maybe just go look at that
01:33:45 word
01:33:47 just like just like with Noah when the
01:33:51 waters descended when the waters
01:33:54 descended and us ended um those who were
01:33:57 not in the ark that had been prepared
01:34:01 went to hell.
01:34:04 >> Correct. So pursued. So that’s something
01:34:07 that follows after succeeded something
01:34:10 that happens after accompanied
01:34:13 happened at the same time. Attended I
01:34:16 don’t think uh applies here, right?
01:34:20 >> Um it does uh basically meaning that
01:34:24 they’re in the same place at the same
01:34:25 time.
01:34:26 >> Oh, okay. All right. Uh imitated.
01:34:31 I did I say that word right? Yeah, I
01:34:34 did. Imit Yeah.
01:34:36 I don’t see observed practice adhered
01:34:39 to. Okay. So practice I when you’re
01:34:42 doing a command obeyed. Okay. The
01:34:44 imitated maybe that has to go along with
01:34:45 the obeyed
01:34:47 >> probably.
01:34:48 >> Yeah. But they followed that we’re
01:34:50 talking about here is the ones that are
01:34:52 talking about pursued succeeded
01:34:56 accompanied attended.
01:34:57 >> Correct.
01:34:58 >> And so with um Yeah. So with death
01:35:04 >> comes hell.
01:35:06 >> Huh?
01:35:07 >> Well, I I actually I that’s true. And I
01:35:11 I though I do think this more points to
01:35:14 the tribulation
01:35:16 >> though,
01:35:17 >> personally.
01:35:18 >> Um because in the scriptures, this is um
01:35:23 called as the point where there is
01:35:26 nothing worse ever happened.
01:35:30 >> Mhm. ever in the history of man, the
01:35:33 tribulation.
01:35:34 And so this is what this is the time
01:35:38 that the tribulation of sevenyear starts
01:35:43 is Passover unleaven bread. Okay.
01:35:46 >> Yep. Yep.
01:35:47 >> Um and then in in the middle of that,
01:35:50 you get the fifth seal, but we’re not
01:35:52 dealing with that in DNC 87, so we won’t
01:35:54 go over that, but it’s on the page if
01:35:56 you want to go look. Okay. So then now
01:35:58 the next line is pretty is pretty
01:36:01 important. And power was given him unto
01:36:03 him over a fourth part of the earth.
01:36:05 >> Okay. Now we got to talk about fourth
01:36:07 part. Do you want to do that? You want
01:36:09 me to?
01:36:09 >> Yeah, I’ll I’ll talk about fourth part.
01:36:12 um in the in the Hebrew tradition
01:36:16 of writing and recording
01:36:19 when it talk it’s very um
01:36:27 what functional and it in its approach
01:36:30 to description it’s not descriptive it’s
01:36:34 functional.
01:36:35 So when you talk about the fourth part,
01:36:38 you are not talking about a mathematical
01:36:41 quarter.
01:36:44 You are talking about
01:36:47 earth’s population divided into four
01:36:49 parts and one part is given to the
01:36:54 mighty and strong one.
01:36:56 >> Well, this isn’t actually population.
01:36:58 This is land. But I I do
01:37:00 >> Okay. Yeah.
01:37:01 >> The idea still carries over. just talk
01:37:03 about land and not
01:37:05 >> Yeah. Yeah. If you if you carry the idea
01:37:07 to land,
01:37:09 if you carry the idea to land, then
01:37:11 we’re we’re then we’re in the right
01:37:13 place. But I I was thinking about
01:37:15 population.
01:37:17 Sorry. But yeah, land you’ve got it
01:37:20 works the land. It works the same way.
01:37:23 >> You’ve got a certain amount of land. You
01:37:26 make that you divide that certain amount
01:37:28 of land into four parts. That fourth
01:37:31 part is given to um is given to Zion.
01:37:37 >> So these parts don’t have to be the same
01:37:40 size.
01:37:41 >> They do not have to be the same size at
01:37:42 all.
01:37:43 >> Now uh I I think to kind of help go
01:37:45 along with this, do you want to talk
01:37:47 about the third part and how that points
01:37:49 to sons of preditions?
01:37:50 >> Yeah. Yeah. So
01:37:54 remember how it talks about um in
01:37:57 Revelation how the dragon threw the drew
01:38:00 the third part of the stars of heaven
01:38:03 with him.
01:38:06 Um
01:38:08 this is in revelation to the
01:38:09 pre-existence. This is this is this is
01:38:12 in um reference to the pre-existence
01:38:16 when Satan drew a third
01:38:20 not a third but the third part of the
01:38:23 host of heaven after him. This is not a
01:38:26 mathematical third. Again this is the
01:38:28 third part. You have the first part, the
01:38:31 second part and the third part. The
01:38:34 third part is not redeemed.
01:38:36 Second part is is um
01:38:42 uh
01:38:45 is redeemed but not glorified. And the
01:38:47 first part is g is those who receive the
01:38:49 glor who receive glory
01:38:52 >> in the kingdom of heaven.
01:38:54 >> The third part are those who are
01:38:58 predition. They receive no part of
01:39:01 salvation.
01:39:02 >> Yeah. They’re not in the kingdom of
01:39:03 heaven and they will be stoned for
01:39:06 eternity forever.
01:39:08 >> Yeah.
01:39:09 >> Never ending. However you want to
01:39:11 whatever which of your favorite phrases
01:39:13 that people don’t like to hear, you want
01:39:15 to use,
01:39:17 >> right?
01:39:19 >> More importantly that they don’t like to
01:39:21 apply. So, so power over a fourth part
01:39:27 that means
01:39:29 that fourth part is separated onto Zion.
01:39:33 >> Yes, that is uh what’s uh going that’s
01:39:37 the fourth part is talking about. So,
01:39:38 one thing I want to bring out is on the
01:39:40 one-third part three goes along with
01:39:44 redemption where the third part is the
01:39:47 inverse of that or the opposite which
01:39:49 goes with sons of preditions. where four
01:39:52 talks about wholeness. So the inversion
01:39:55 of that would be a portion
01:39:59 >> just following the pattern that’s in
01:40:01 another um number system that uh people
01:40:06 aware of but probably haven’t put a lot
01:40:07 of thought into.
01:40:08 >> And so this is the this is the
01:40:09 interesting thing here. The fourth part
01:40:12 will receive
01:40:14 wholeness.
01:40:19 That’s interesting. Zion will receive
01:40:21 the fullness of the go will receive the
01:40:23 fullness of the law and the gospel.
01:40:25 >> Now I will say not everybody will accept
01:40:27 it. Um but the the leaders there will
01:40:31 have it and and work on persuading all
01:40:35 others to have it. But yes,
01:40:37 >> the fullness will be there and not just
01:40:39 the gospel but the all things which is
01:40:42 Torah. Okay.
01:40:43 >> Yeah. The fullness of Torah will be
01:40:45 revealed. the fullness of the mind and
01:40:46 will of Yahu will be revealed to
01:40:51 Zion, though not everybody in Zion will
01:40:55 be accepting of it.
01:40:57 >> Correct. They’ll at least live the um
01:41:00 ones do it with your neighbor and and
01:41:04 they may not worship on the Sabbath. I
01:41:08 said plural on purpose because that’s
01:41:09 what’s actually there. Um and that gets
01:41:12 in a whole another subject. Um
01:41:16 >> but they can’t worship anybody else.
01:41:19 They can
01:41:20 >> just do nothing
01:41:23 basically.
01:41:24 >> Um but anyways, so uh where’d we go?
01:41:28 Okay, so the receive of this person
01:41:32 whose name one of his names is death
01:41:34 will receive power over a fourth part of
01:41:36 the earth, Zion. Okay, a heartland. And
01:41:41 to do to get it, he’s going to use the
01:41:44 sword. Oh, wait a minute. Could that go
01:41:46 with the mark? Oh, we don’t need to look
01:41:49 at that right now.
01:41:51 Anyways,
01:41:53 uh so that goes along with uh the third
01:41:56 Nephi 20. It also goes along with Third
01:41:59 Nephi 16 and 3 Nephi 21 and a whole
01:42:04 bunch of others you can go look at.
01:42:06 Okay. and Doctrine of Covenants 87. The
01:42:10 remnant marshall for war, marshalling
01:42:13 themselves for war.
01:42:15 Um
01:42:17 through the leadership of one of uh
01:42:20 that’s called death. Okay.
01:42:23 >> Under the leadership of death.
01:42:25 >> Yes. That sounds funny, but anyways,
01:42:27 we’ll call him the strong one.
01:42:29 >> I have a tendency to say funny things.
01:42:32 >> Yeah. Yeah. Ah
01:42:33 >> so to kill and so this power is extended
01:42:37 by killing with a sword and with hunger.
01:42:40 >> Now along with this there is prophecies
01:42:43 how this mighty strong one will cause a
01:42:46 famine to happen. And there’s examples
01:42:49 of this throughout the scriptures
01:42:50 including Nephi son of Nephi in the Book
01:42:54 of Mormon who is a preparer um to
01:43:00 uh cause a famine.
01:43:02 which is a type of this right here.
01:43:05 Okay.
01:43:07 >> Yeah.
01:43:08 >> Uh so, uh
01:43:12 this Oh, no. Uh this one right here. Um
01:43:18 so he caused the famine.
01:43:22 Uh so will the mighty and strong one
01:43:24 cause a famine.
01:43:25 >> Yep.
01:43:27 Uh, and people will die and then uh
01:43:32 >> the earth will eat others.
01:43:34 >> Yeah, the beast will go eat these dead
01:43:37 bodies cuz it’s going to be too many to
01:43:39 go bury everybody. Sorry. Uh, I know
01:43:42 that sounds horrible, but
01:43:45 >> it’s pretty it’s pretty intense.
01:43:47 >> Yeah. Um, it’s not the first time they
01:43:51 have left bodies out. So, um,
01:43:54 >> and it won’t be, and let me tell you, it
01:43:56 won’t be the last.
01:43:57 >> Well, no. Speaking of which, shall we go
01:44:00 read verse six? That even starts leading
01:44:03 into that even more. And do you want to
01:44:05 do on your computer or
01:44:07 >> uh I can read here.
01:44:09 >> Okay.
01:44:09 >> And thus with the sword and by bloodshed
01:44:13 the inhabitants of the earth shall
01:44:15 mourn,
01:44:16 and with famine and plague and
01:44:20 earthquake and the thunder of heaven.
01:44:22 Wait a minute. All these things, some of
01:44:25 these things are talked about in the in
01:44:27 the fourth seal,
01:44:30 the famine.
01:44:31 >> Some Yes. Though I I
01:44:34 >> So I do think there’s some
01:44:37 >> this one going in this right here. I
01:44:40 would say though that most of this is
01:44:42 dealing with
01:44:43 >> I would I would agree. I would agree.
01:44:45 But you can see even in the description
01:44:48 of the fifth seal in Revelation, the
01:44:51 famine and the plague and the sword were
01:44:53 there.
01:44:54 Uh that’s true. That is true. So there
01:44:57 there there’s some fi fifth in here that
01:45:00 I hadn’t made the connection of that.
01:45:03 It’s good that you brought out because
01:45:05 probably because I’ve been a little
01:45:06 blinded because I do see this mostly as
01:45:08 seven. But
01:45:10 >> Mhm.
01:45:10 >> but on that point, some of it could be
01:45:12 six cuz uh six causes seven. So, but
01:45:17 anyways, that’s another subject. But
01:45:19 >> and earthquake and thunder of heaven and
01:45:21 the fierce and vivid lightning also
01:45:24 shall the inhabitants of the earth be
01:45:26 made. So with all these things shall the
01:45:29 inhabitants of the earth be made to feel
01:45:31 the wrath and indignation and chastening
01:45:34 hand of an almighty Elohim.
01:45:38 >> Where what
01:45:40 >> that the wrath sorry Ben that wrath is
01:45:43 the seventh seal with the seven trumpets
01:45:46 and BS. Okay.
01:45:47 >> And what and what brings it about
01:45:51 is
01:45:52 the return of the polar configuration.
01:45:56 >> Yes. Um, and even uh Daniel too brings
01:46:00 that out. And I even have stuff in the
01:46:02 DNC that I’m going that Ben helped me
01:46:06 with the dictionary word meaning to help
01:46:08 me bring that out. I just need to spend
01:46:11 time in finishing that post
01:46:14 >> which will be called by the one mighty
01:46:17 and strong.
01:46:19 >> Yes. Uh, but I do think it’s good that
01:46:22 Ben brought out something that we hadn’t
01:46:24 noticed before that there’s elements of
01:46:26 four and five in verse 6. And there’s
01:46:28 definitely seven in here. So, this is
01:46:32 actually Revelation DNC87’s going
01:46:34 through every single seal.
01:46:37 >> Mhm.
01:46:41 uh and
01:46:42 >> the wrath and indignation and chastening
01:46:45 hand of an almighty God until the
01:46:47 consumption decreed hath made a full end
01:46:51 of all nations. Okay. So, did nations
01:46:55 end with the civil war?
01:46:58 >> No. And this is a big deal because uh
01:47:02 actually here, let me go get the word
01:47:04 thus up so that way people know what it
01:47:08 means just in case and I’ll let you um
01:47:12 be in charge of reading that one, Ben.
01:47:14 >> Yep.
01:47:16 Okay. So, the definition of thus is in
01:47:19 this or that manner. So, in this manner,
01:47:24 what we have described above
01:47:30 Well, because
01:47:31 >> with the sword
01:47:33 with the sword and the
01:47:36 uh let me see uh okay with the sword and
01:47:39 by bloodshed the inhabitants of the
01:47:41 earth shall mourn in this or that manner
01:47:44 on this wise.
01:47:49 That’s what it means.
01:47:51 >> Now I I it means basically the the
01:47:54 previous stuff causes the stuff after
01:47:58 Yes.
01:48:00 And but what we have is the vexing the
01:48:05 Gentiles with the sore vexation taking
01:48:08 that fourth part of the land of the
01:48:10 earth or Zion
01:48:14 creates the safe place in the wilderness
01:48:17 for the woman.
01:48:19 >> Uh you’re right. And actually the whole
01:48:21 world who wants to go to it are willing
01:48:23 to keep the
01:48:25 >> Yeah. when I
01:48:26 >> plal commandments or the last five of
01:48:28 the
01:48:29 >> five divisions of Torah
01:48:30 >> talking about the woman I’m talking
01:48:31 about the church I’m talking about
01:48:33 Israel
01:48:34 >> uh sure which uh yes that’s true um and
01:48:39 I I should say in addition to that
01:48:41 because there’s going to be the actual
01:48:43 righteous and those who are just trying
01:48:44 to escape the world
01:48:47 >> yes
01:48:48 >> so there there’s both uh going there so
01:48:51 here’s the seven-year uh fortification
01:48:54 and Then at the same time start at the
01:48:57 four of sills starts the seven years of
01:49:00 evil which I have stuff on there which I
01:49:02 should probably add more but anyways
01:49:04 this is a good start. Um but yes Israel
01:49:08 or the righteous and then the world are
01:49:10 those who just want to escape and
01:49:12 they’ll play nice even though they’re
01:49:14 not believers. Right. So,
01:49:16 >> right, because they don’t want to be
01:49:18 kicked out because those who will those
01:49:21 who willfully break the laws of Zion,
01:49:25 which are Torah,
01:49:30 will be thrown out of the land because
01:49:32 we need the protection of Yah.
01:49:36 >> Yes. Um, so I I’m going to try to find
01:49:40 Oh, maybe I’ll pause for a second.
01:49:43 Mhm.
01:49:45 >> Oh, wrong button.
01:49:50 >> Okay. So, we found that uh we found
01:49:53 those verses in Revelation which talk
01:49:55 about how the uh prayers of the saints
01:49:59 uh are ascending to Yah. Um and that
01:50:04 correlates to verse 7 uh which is
01:50:07 actually a part uh which the idea of
01:50:10 verse 7 is actually a part of verse six.
01:50:15 >> Yes. So let’s read uh the ones in
01:50:17 chapter 8 which uh starts with verse
01:50:21 three. You want to read those three and
01:50:23 >> yeah sure
01:50:23 >> three. Another angel came and stood at
01:50:26 the altar having a golden sensor. And
01:50:29 there was given unto him much incense
01:50:31 that he should offer it with the prayers
01:50:33 of all saints upon the golden altar
01:50:36 which was before the throne. And the
01:50:38 smoke of the incense which came with the
01:50:41 prayers of the saints ascended up before
01:50:44 Elohim out of the angel’s hand. And the
01:50:47 angel took the sensor and filled it with
01:50:50 fire of the altar and cast it into the
01:50:52 earth. And there were voices and
01:50:54 thunderings and lightnings and an
01:50:56 earthquake. Oh, wait. Let’s go back to
01:50:57 verse six here.
01:50:59 >> Okay.
01:51:00 >> So, real quick before you do that, I
01:51:03 want to bring out how incense talks
01:51:04 about the prayers. And this right here
01:51:08 event in chapter 8 is happening just
01:51:11 before the wrath. Okay, let’s keep this
01:51:14 in mind. And verse 7 in DC 87 is after
01:51:18 the wrath.
01:51:20 >> Yeah.
01:51:20 >> Okay. Go ahead, Ben. So here we are. Uh
01:51:23 we notice here the correlation here.
01:51:25 There were voices and thunderings and
01:51:27 lightnings and an earthquake. Let’s go
01:51:28 to verse six here really quick. And also
01:51:32 the plague.
01:51:33 >> No. Yeah. Sorry.
01:51:36 >> No. Verse six. And earthquake and
01:51:38 thunder of heaven and fierce and vivid
01:51:40 lightning also correlates very strongly
01:51:44 with the with verse five.
01:51:46 >> Oh, okay. Yeah. I I guess we weren’t
01:51:48 sure which chapter we were talking
01:51:50 about, but anyways, sorry about that.
01:51:52 >> Yeah. So, and the uh and uh until a full
01:51:58 end of all nations that the and why is
01:52:01 why must all nations end that the cry of
01:52:05 the saints and that the blood of the
01:52:07 saints shall cease to come up into the
01:52:10 ears of Yah Sabah.
01:52:14 >> Yeah. So all these nations are part of
01:52:16 mystery Babylon. The seventh seal which
01:52:20 verse 6 of 87 is talking about is the
01:52:23 destruction of Babylon which is what the
01:52:28 seventh seal which is the seven trumpets
01:52:30 and bulls are doing. It’s destroying
01:52:33 mystery Babylon. So they don’t have to
01:52:37 pray about it anymore which is what’s
01:52:39 talking about in verse seven. They they
01:52:41 won’t cry of the saints and the body of
01:52:43 the saints will cease to come up
01:52:46 >> because it got taken care of with the
01:52:50 seventh seal.
01:52:52 >> Mhm.
01:52:53 >> Showing a further connection to second
01:52:57 coming in DNC 87
01:52:59 >> which cannot happen until the two
01:53:02 witnesses are slain and lie dead in the
01:53:06 streets of Jerusalem
01:53:08 for three and a half days. where
01:53:10 everybody can see them, not just people
01:53:13 claiming they’re dead. I’ll just leave
01:53:15 it at that. I I’ll put a link to a post.
01:53:19 >> That the cry of the saints and the blood
01:53:20 of the saints shall cease to come up
01:53:22 under the ears of the Lord of Sabah from
01:53:25 the earth to be avenged of their
01:53:27 enemies. Wherefore
01:53:30 stand ye in holy places.
01:53:33 Does he say get a year supply of food?
01:53:34 No, he says stand ye in holy places for
01:53:37 this cause. When you see these things,
01:53:41 stand ye in holy places.
01:53:43 >> Meaning, uh, first and foremost, repent
01:53:46 and get right with Yahw.
01:53:48 >> Because no place that you will be is a
01:53:50 holy place if you do not repent.
01:53:53 >> Yeah.
01:53:54 And then be not moved,
01:53:57 endure to the end
01:54:00 until the day of Y come. Uh this is also
01:54:04 kind of u like I said in the last
01:54:07 recording that we did on this is kind of
01:54:08 a sideswipe reference to Adam on Diaman
01:54:12 uh because Yeshua and his saints will
01:54:15 stay in Zion in the temple uh complex
01:54:19 until the uh uh until the time comes for
01:54:25 his unveiling on the Mount of Olives.
01:54:28 >> Yes. So, uh, Adam on dial is a moon and
01:54:32 a half after Pentecost shaved. Okay. And
01:54:36 you can go look at the second coming
01:54:38 page.
01:54:39 Um, and you can just search Adam on
01:54:42 dialogue.
01:54:44 And it is one of the numbers of Daniel.
01:54:47 It’s the
01:54:49 1,335
01:54:51 days.
01:54:53 >> For behold, it cometh quickly, saith
01:54:56 Yahwa.
01:54:58 and it is the second coming.
01:55:01 >> When you see these things transpire,
01:55:05 you will know that the day of Y is
01:55:10 indeed at hand.
01:55:13 >> Yes. Um
01:55:17 so I first and foremost it’s important
01:55:21 to get ready spiritually
01:55:24 meaning repent.
01:55:27 Oh, first come under Yahweh’s covering
01:55:29 and repent. And repent means
01:55:34 stop doing what’s wrong or evil. And
01:55:37 that means stop breaking or doing
01:55:40 against Torah. Uh first John, is it
01:55:44 first John that says that? Anyway,
01:55:46 >> John 3:4.
01:55:47 >> Yeah. Okay. So, Ben’s got that
01:55:49 memorized. And then after that, prepare
01:55:52 temporarily.
01:55:53 Um or maybe even do some uh of both all
01:55:57 the time.
01:55:59 >> Um and get stuff for survival. And and
01:56:03 if one of the cheap things you can just
01:56:04 go get some fish hooks and some fish
01:56:06 line cuz you you don’t need a uh a
01:56:10 fishing pole cuz you can use a stick.
01:56:12 >> Um
01:56:15 and that’s something cheap. Um I I mean
01:56:17 I suggest getting some stuff for water
01:56:20 and shelter and learning some skills.
01:56:23 For example, if you need to filter
01:56:25 water, you don’t have anything else, you
01:56:27 can force water through a vine or a
01:56:31 branch and it will filter it. Okay?
01:56:33 There there’s lots of ways I’ve been
01:56:35 working on learning. So,
01:56:38 prepare spiritually first and foremost
01:56:40 because if you do die, at least you’ll
01:56:43 receive your reward in heaven.
01:56:46 Secondly is prepare temporarily so you
01:56:49 can take care of yourself and others
01:56:51 specifically your family
01:56:54 >> and others if you’re able to. Okay.
01:56:59 >> And yeah and I would go I would on top
01:57:03 of that I would say the admonition of Yo
01:57:07 in this revelation is to stand in holy
01:57:11 places.
01:57:16 Yeah. Holy means set apart,
01:57:20 >> meaning different than the world. Holy
01:57:24 set apart means like Yu.
01:57:32 The mind and will of Yu as revealed to
01:57:35 us in Torah
01:57:37 tells us
01:57:40 what it means to stand in holy places.
01:57:45 It shows us how we are to do it.
01:57:49 It shows us how we will enter into the
01:57:53 rest of Y.
01:57:57 If you want to enter into his rest,
01:58:01 heed the invitation to stand. No, the
01:58:06 commandment
01:58:08 to stand in holy places.
01:58:12 Also
01:58:15 get a team.
01:58:18 Get some people together who have a wide
01:58:20 variety of skills.
01:58:22 No man is an island. When things go
01:58:25 south, which
01:58:28 which Joseph Smith being a prophet, they
01:58:31 will
01:58:35 you will.
01:58:35 >> Not just Joseph Smith that prophesied of
01:58:38 things.
01:58:38 >> I mean, we’ve shown that this is not
01:58:40 just Joseph Smith’s prophecy. He’s
01:58:42 actually building on a legacy of Hebraic
01:58:46 prophecy. Well, it’s Yahweh through the
01:58:48 mouth of Joseph Smith, but there there’s
01:58:52 a lot of connections here uh that even
01:58:55 some new ones that we didn’t have before
01:58:57 in addition to just doing some
01:58:59 clarifications here. Right. I will I
01:59:02 will point out
01:59:05 that uh
01:59:09 Yo ratifies his prophets and therefore
01:59:13 it’s okay to say that if that person
01:59:16 that that person being a prophet
01:59:20 you can count on their word just as if
01:59:22 it came from the mouth of Yah whether by
01:59:24 my known voice or by the voice of my
01:59:27 servants. It is the same. Correct. So,
01:59:32 we can count on it getting worse before
01:59:36 it gets better.
01:59:38 You’ll need your team. You’ll need your
01:59:40 team of people with wide variety of
01:59:43 skills.
01:59:44 Um, and some of those,
01:59:48 you know, some of those may be skills
01:59:50 that you wouldn’t think about
01:59:51 necessarily from a survival standpoint.
01:59:54 Maybe one of your friends knows the law.
01:59:58 of the law of this of this country and
02:00:02 that can be of help to you. Maybe one of
02:00:04 your friends knows knows some other soft
02:00:09 skills that can be of help to you.
02:00:13 Hard skills or soft skills, both will
02:00:16 help you survive.
02:00:17 >> Yes.
02:00:19 But none of it matters
02:00:22 if you’re not standing in holy places.
02:00:27 Yeah,
02:00:29 but still
02:00:31 >> in addition with that, if you don’t mind
02:00:33 me interjecting a little bit,
02:00:34 >> to receive Yahweh’s protection, you need
02:00:36 to repent. Uh because what you can’t do,
02:00:39 he will make up if you stand in holy
02:00:43 places.
02:00:44 >> Yeah. So that’s I just want to leave
02:00:46 that with you. I hope that uh I hope
02:00:49 this has been uh efficacious to you and
02:00:52 that the there is uh
02:00:55 that there’s things in this that uh
02:00:59 inspire you to action,
02:01:02 help you to do th
02:01:05 help you to do those things. Uh because
02:01:08 you know Rome wasn’t built in the day.
02:01:11 If the day if the world hasn’t fallen
02:01:13 apart today, there’s still something you
02:01:14 can do to help yourself when it does.
02:01:19 Do something every day.
02:01:22 Prepare
02:01:24 for the kingdom of Y is truly at hand.
02:01:28 And I say these things to you in the
02:01:30 name of Yeshua.
02:01:33 Amen.