Scripture Study 2026-04-25 This Generation

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Active learning is better than passive learning and helps you learn how to think. People who figure things out ahead of the curve look stupid. Going against the grain of society can be hard. Looking into what “this generation” is that is talked about in D&C (LDS 84:4-5,31)(RLDS 83,83)(1835 4,4)(1844 4,4), along with Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is dealing with the Second Coming. Many read “this generation” as the generation that Yeshua gave the discourse. Even using the definition of generation of 2,000 years there are problems. D&C 84:2 has elements of Second Coming in it. Last Days is from Yeshua’s 1st coming to His 2nd. Latter Days is the Second Coming events starting with the 1st seal. Yeshua meet with angels on the mount of transfiguration. People claim the gifts of the spirit are gone because they are not seeing them. JST Matthew 24:35 restores that “this generation” is the generation the signs are given. The stars falling is the Polar Configuration coming back. Showing parts of my unfinished post about Daniel 2 dealing with Polar Configuration. Planets used to be called stars. Bears are symbolic of physical death. The two bears from Elisha points to the Polar Configuration. Mighty and Strong One will call the Polar Configuration back which will cause the wrath of YHWH. Preterism teaches the Second Coming happened at 70 AD because of the textual problems in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. There is no accounts of everyone seeing Yeshua in the sky. Heaven and earth has not been renewed in the generation that Yeshua gave Mark 13. Without the JST, Yeshua prophesied falsely and atheist and Rabbis / antimissionaries use this fact against the New Testament. Joseph Smith New Translation is what inspired us to know how to read D&C (LDS 84:4-5,31)(RLDS 83,83)(1835 4,4)(1844 4,4). In the past, I was creative how I defined generation to get these prophesies to work which did go with the definition of generation. Joseph Smith never started to build New Jerusalem / Zion. The saints did not receive back what they lost in Joseph Smith’s day, nor did they during the 1st USA Civil War regarding the Redemption of Zion section. The redeeming by blood is when the Roaring Lions come and take back their land. Saints coming to Zion will be because of the 144,000 lead by the Mighty and Strong One and people fleeing to Zion before the 5th Seal. Zeniff is a type of Joseph Smith. New Jerusalem / Zion has not been started so the count with the generation since it was built has not started. Shall is a word describing future tense, not currently being built. There is two ways “this generation” could be read, in the generation it is given, or the generation that the signs starts. Radius from Independence, Missouri to Kirkland, Ohio gives us a circle for an estimate of what Zion will cover. This circle covers various areas from quotes of Joseph Smith of where he said Zion would be. Don’t believe every supposed quote from Joseph Smith. One definition of corner is any part. A possible reason why the confusion regarding “this generation” is the same reason Yeshua spoke in parables such that the wicked would not understand. Another possible reason of using “this generation” is it using the same language from Matthew 24 and Mark 13, Joseph Smith used King James language. If you have a problem with “this generation” in the D&C, you should have a problem with it in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, which Joseph Smith fixes. Joseph Smith is not the Mighty and Strong One, Joseph Smith did not write he dictated. Prophecies and the Mighty and Strong One are all over the Bible including Isaiah. Joseph Smith will have a hand in setting apart the Mighty and Strong One. The church Joseph Smith founded is not around anymore. Brigham Young reorganized the church and forced people to be rebaptized into his new church which goes along my post King Brigham. RLDS church put a woman in charge where JST specifically states that women are not be in charge and Isaiah brings out how that is a curse. “This generation” points to when the city of New Jerusalem will be built, Joseph Smith never did that or claim to, so the clock has not started. It will happen with the 4th Seal and the Lehites. Shall in verse 4 brings out it’s a future event. “The Day and Hour No One Knows” is present tenses not future tense. YHWH told Daniel that people will know when it will happen. Paul told the saints that the children of light will know of the time of the Second Coming. Along with many verses in New Testament telling the saints they ought to know when the Second Coming will be. Oral Law, that the Jews follow, makes Torah null and void. Considering YHWH decides when and where people are born, YHWH is stacking the deck for what is about to happen.

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00:00:02 Okay. So, today we’re going to go over a
00:00:06 subject that Brennan
00:00:08 um Ben and I went over uh yesterday
00:00:12 actually
00:00:14 um which is an actual real important
00:00:16 question and concern
00:00:19 for restoration and actually
00:00:23 uh New Testament believers. And just and
00:00:26 just really interestingly
00:00:28 um we were when we actually found the
00:00:32 answer to this question we were actually
00:00:33 investigating a different question based
00:00:36 on a crazy theory that I came up with.
00:00:39 Um so
00:00:41 >> yes though uh Ben’s other theory uh was
00:00:46 to try to answer the base question
00:00:49 >> and so we were I I was like okay let’s
00:00:52 go look into it. um a and uh
00:00:58 it wasn’t the answer, but it did get us
00:01:01 to start looking into it to find what
00:01:05 the answer actually was. Okay.
00:01:08 >> Uh and so this is um and this brings up
00:01:12 a good point.
00:01:16 So, there’s a difference, and this is a
00:01:18 little sidetracked, but this is
00:01:19 important, and it goes along with what I
00:01:21 think what Ben brings up somewhat, and I
00:01:23 I’m going to deal with this. Um, there’s
00:01:27 passive learning and active learning.
00:01:30 Okay?
00:01:32 Passive learning is when you just take
00:01:35 input
00:01:37 and guess what? You don’t remember it
00:01:38 much.
00:01:40 Active learning is when you’re doing
00:01:42 things and asking questions.
00:01:45 Um and more specifically actually asking
00:01:48 ask asking questions to then go find the
00:01:51 answers. Okay.
00:01:54 >> Yeah. And that active learning is what I
00:01:57 tend to engage in, which yes, it often
00:02:01 makes you look like an idiot,
00:02:03 >> but
00:02:06 uh sometimes uh but at the same time, um
00:02:12 >> people who figure things out be the head
00:02:16 of the curve, they look like idiots.
00:02:19 >> Yeah. Yeah,
00:02:19 >> but they figure it out because they’re
00:02:21 asking the questions that no one’s even
00:02:23 thought of yet to ask.
00:02:26 >> Exactly.
00:02:28 >> Uh because they care. Okay. So, um I I I
00:02:33 know this is a little weird. I’m going
00:02:34 to pause for a second.
00:02:38 >> Oh, sorry, guys.
00:02:41 >> No. Uh give me one second. Okay.
00:02:49 All right. Uh, we just had to take care
00:02:50 of something real quickly. We were
00:02:53 talking about active versus passive
00:02:55 learning. Active learning um,
00:03:00 can make you look like you’re going
00:03:02 against the grain of society, which
00:03:06 actually will because you’re asking
00:03:07 questions to try to understand rather
00:03:10 than just memorizing something that
00:03:12 they’ve told you. But active learning
00:03:15 whether if it comes to the same
00:03:16 conclusion or not
00:03:20 helps you understand more.
00:03:23 >> It also helps you learn how to think.
00:03:27 >> Yes.
00:03:28 >> Um usually through the process of making
00:03:32 mistakes in your thinking while you ask
00:03:34 the questions.
00:03:36 >> Yeah. All right. You have to be willing
00:03:38 to risk
00:03:40 to do active learning
00:03:44 and um and do uh thought experiments uh
00:03:49 as um Einstein did which I I actually
00:03:52 like doing at times but that’s another
00:03:54 subject. Not that I always agree with
00:03:56 Einstein’s conclusions, but it the
00:04:00 exercise
00:04:02 is a good exercise.
00:04:03 >> And you have to be willing to ask the
00:04:05 questions that make other people shiver
00:04:08 in their boots.
00:04:10 >> Yes. Um
00:04:14 and you have to be willing to uh go
00:04:18 against the grain of society once you
00:04:20 actually find something that’s true.
00:04:23 um which can be hard, right?
00:04:27 >> Um so,
00:04:30 but that’s what we were doing yesterday.
00:04:33 Um was asking questions to
00:04:37 come up with this solution.
00:04:40 Um and two, um primarily uh a verse in
00:04:45 DNC
00:04:48 84, right? Yeah. Uh DMC 84 and
00:04:53 Matthew 24.
00:04:55 >> Yeah. And and Mark 13. Um
00:04:58 >> so we’ll get in those ones just a
00:05:00 minute. Um so there is multiple aspects
00:05:04 to this. The primary one though is
00:05:09 uh DNC84
00:05:11 that a lot of restorationist anti
00:05:15 um use against uh or try to use against
00:05:20 and um where is it
00:05:23 >> verses two verseific
00:05:27 phrase though is this generation. Okay.
00:05:31 >> Yeah. Let’s read that verse verse four.
00:05:34 >> Sure. Verily, this is the word of Yah
00:05:36 that the city New Jerusalem shall be
00:05:38 built by the gathering of the saints,
00:05:41 beginning at this place, even the place
00:05:44 of the of the temple which temple shall
00:05:47 be reared in this generation.
00:05:50 Uh, and there’s um at least two ways to
00:05:54 read this generation, and we’ll get in
00:05:56 that in a minute. Now, let’s go look at
00:05:59 Matthew 24, and then the other one was
00:06:01 Mark 13. Uh because those two are the
00:06:06 same discourse.
00:06:08 >> Olive. Yeah. The oliveette discourse
00:06:10 where Yeshua is giving the signs of of
00:06:14 both um the destruction of the temple
00:06:17 and of his second coming.
00:06:19 >> Yes. Uh and later when we start digging
00:06:22 into it more, I will show it from the
00:06:24 new translation also known as the JST or
00:06:28 inspired version. Um whereas actually
00:06:31 some verses get moved around.
00:06:35 Um on that there when you get into
00:06:38 textual criticism type of things, there
00:06:41 is debates if some verses need to be
00:06:44 moved around in other passages, not
00:06:47 Matthew 24. And I I get into this in the
00:06:50 Matthew uh in my important coming dates
00:06:52 post. I’ll put a link to. Um, so this is
00:06:58 not
00:06:59 a crazy thought, okay? But there’s
00:07:02 things in Matthew uh 24, it’s applied to
00:07:06 this generation that are about second
00:07:10 coming stuff. Okay. Especially in the
00:07:12 days of Noah. Yeah, that’s No, but
00:07:15 that’s Noah. That’s um
00:07:18 >> No, no, actually the word is a but as
00:07:23 the days of Noah were,
00:07:26 >> so also shall be the coming of the son
00:07:29 shall the coming of the son of man be.
00:07:32 >> Yes.
00:07:34 So it’s not actually a reference to the
00:07:36 days of Noah except as a understanding
00:07:40 of the mindset of the children of men
00:07:44 leading up to the second coming of
00:07:46 Messiah which mindset which mindset is
00:07:51 plainly evident in the world today.
00:07:54 >> Yes. Yes. Which goes along how they’re
00:07:56 rejecting Torah and their hearts have
00:07:58 gone cold. I do agree with Ben’s
00:08:01 statement there. Uh, go ahead, Johnny.
00:08:03 >> Never mind the fact that they’re totally
00:08:06 uh going against what and totally uh
00:08:11 going again to what uh y’all warned us
00:08:16 about warned going.
00:08:20 They’re going they’re doing the things
00:08:22 that Yahweh is totally going against
00:08:25 saying again warning against by saying
00:08:28 get drunk and get married.
00:08:30 >> Yeah.
00:08:32 Uh
00:08:33 yes. So the phrase is a little different
00:08:36 in the scriptures, but Johnny is
00:08:38 pointing out how the days of Noah goes
00:08:42 along with the days of the second
00:08:43 coming. Okay.
00:08:44 >> Whereas Jeremiah says, “Peace, peace,
00:08:47 they say, and then comes sudden
00:08:49 destruction.”
00:08:51 >> Yes. Uh uh and we’ve seen some things
00:08:54 somewhat recently how they’re claiming
00:08:56 peace. Um, so this is also in Mark 13.
00:09:02 Um, and and we’ll look at the new
00:09:04 translation of this also later because
00:09:06 it helps clear this up. But, uh, this is
00:09:10 not just a, um, DNC issue. This is also,
00:09:16 uh, a New Testament issue if you’re
00:09:18 honest about this. Okay.
00:09:20 >> Yeah. So yeah, it’s basically saying
00:09:23 that the time events of the second
00:09:25 coming will happen in the generation if
00:09:29 you take the if you take the wording
00:09:31 that’s shown here, it’s saying that the
00:09:33 events of the second coming will happen
00:09:34 in the generation that is alive at
00:09:37 Christ’s time,
00:09:38 >> right? Uh and uh the day so the this
00:09:42 generation in Mark, this generation is
00:09:46 in verse 30. I’m just bringing this one
00:09:48 up because it’s the one that’s up right
00:09:49 now. In verse 31, it gives things that
00:09:52 deal with the second coming. I mean 32.
00:09:55 So um there’s nothing that changed the
00:09:58 timing here. Okay. So this is not just a
00:10:02 restoration doctrine covenants problem.
00:10:05 This is also a New Testament problem if
00:10:10 people are open and honest what the
00:10:12 texts actually say. Okay? Because and
00:10:16 and this is why act this is why the
00:10:18 principle of active learning that you
00:10:20 have to ask the questions that people
00:10:22 are afraid to ask and the because if
00:10:26 this if this text in the King James
00:10:29 version is correct then Yeshua is indeed
00:10:32 a false prophet.
00:10:35 Yeah. Actually I I know that sounds
00:10:37 blasphemous but I do agree with Ben
00:10:39 here. And there is a new translation
00:10:41 from Joseph Smith that corrects this
00:10:45 actually. Um
00:10:48 but
00:10:50 um
00:10:52 e even
00:10:54 so and we could look at this the Greek
00:10:57 that goes along with generation can mean
00:11:01 an age and an age can mean um 1,000
00:11:05 years or 2,000 years. But even with the
00:11:08 2,000 years, it would still make Yeshua
00:11:12 a false prophet because the wrath that
00:11:14 some of this is dealing with because
00:11:17 Yeshua’s coming is actually after the
00:11:20 wrath. Okay. Or his coming to the world
00:11:23 coming down from the clouds is after the
00:11:25 wrath, which is during the millennium.
00:11:28 >> Mhm.
00:11:30 >> Um which if you add 2,000 years from
00:11:32 when he spoke from here, it doesn’t fit
00:11:35 even the age portion. Okay. Um,
00:11:40 and this gets into some other issues and
00:11:43 we can get into that, but real quick, it
00:11:46 deals along with how
00:11:49 um, Yeshua died at the end of the age,
00:11:54 which goes along with how he told the
00:11:56 apostles he’ll be with him, be with him
00:11:58 until the end of the age, which was
00:12:01 their 2,000 years. Okay? And but this
00:12:05 also gets into the point how um
00:12:10 so the 70th year of Daniel
00:12:14 uh straddles or halfly is in the
00:12:20 um age of Abraham or the Jews or the
00:12:25 Israelites and half into the age of the
00:12:29 Gentiles. Okay.
00:12:30 >> Yes. the age of the Gentiles or in other
00:12:33 words as the Christians call it the age
00:12:34 of Christianity.
00:12:36 >> Yes. Yes, that is another name for it.
00:12:38 Very good, Johnny.
00:12:40 >> The nice uh nice historical reference.
00:12:43 >> Yes. Yes. No, it I mean it does go along
00:12:45 with how people call it, so it it’s
00:12:47 fine. Or or the church age or the grace
00:12:50 age, which that that doesn’t you can’t
00:12:53 find any scriptures that one.
00:12:55 In fact, you can find scriptures which
00:12:57 actually show grace being shown being
00:13:00 being u dispensed uh before the coming
00:13:04 of Yeshua.
00:13:05 >> Yeah. Yeah. Like even Adam got it. So I
00:13:09 I mean I grace is dispelled from Yeshua
00:13:13 or Yahweh throughout all uh mortality.
00:13:19 Um anyways um otherwise
00:13:24 they’re condemned.
00:13:26 So that would mean Moses is condemned
00:13:29 which is considered one of the greatest
00:13:30 prophets.
00:13:32 >> And it’s and it’s stated in it’s stated
00:13:34 in Deuteronomy that Moses was the
00:13:36 meakest of men and Yeshua said blessed
00:13:38 are the meek for they shall inherit the
00:13:40 earth. So if there is no grace for Moses
00:13:43 there is no grace for any of us.
00:13:45 >> Yeah. Yeah. cuz uh I see the world
00:13:49 today. Moses was a lot more righteous.
00:13:52 Um especially since Yahweh thought he
00:13:56 was uh a worthy servant to restore I
00:14:00 said restore
00:14:02 Torah. Um so there’s that. So anyways,
00:14:07 this problem with this generation is not
00:14:10 only a restoration issue with DNC
00:14:14 uh LDS84.
00:14:16 I can get RLDS 21 seconds.
00:14:21 I’m never prepared for these. I always
00:14:23 do them on the spot. Uh but I know where
00:14:26 to look stuff up. So
00:14:30 it’s RLDS 82 for those who are listening
00:14:34 from that tradition. Okay. Um, so but
00:14:39 let’s get into this some. So let’s go
00:14:41 look at the one where we were actually
00:14:44 trying to resolve
00:14:47 which is uh DNC 84.
00:14:54 Okay. Um
00:14:56 so um
00:14:59 let’s see. Josh, are you really are you
00:15:03 willing to read uh DNC 1 through5?
00:15:08 >> 84 1-5.
00:15:10 >> Yeah, I can do that.
00:15:13 A revelation of Yeshua Hamsiach to his
00:15:17 servant Joseph Smith Jr. and six elders
00:15:21 as they united their hearts and lifted
00:15:23 their voices on high.
00:15:26 Yay. the word of Yahweh concerning his
00:15:29 church established in the last days for
00:15:32 the restoration of his people as he has
00:15:35 spoken by the mouths of his prophets and
00:15:38 for the gathering of his saints to stand
00:15:40 upon mount Zion which shall be the city
00:15:43 of New Jerusalem.
00:15:44 >> Okay, so this new Jerusalem is a big
00:15:47 point here. Um also, uh there’s various
00:15:51 aspects in verse two that actually goes
00:15:55 with second coming stuff. Um I’m going
00:15:58 to bring up a page where last days
00:16:02 um when you
00:16:05 let me change button buttons. I got to
00:16:08 do buttons. Sorry guys.
00:16:09 >> Mashing on buttons.
00:16:11 >> Yeah. Um
00:16:17 so uh you can see because the this has a
00:16:20 term that’s uh not very well understood
00:16:25 even in my faith tradition that last
00:16:29 days actually spans from Yeshua’s first
00:16:32 coming and you can get that from Genesis
00:16:35 49
00:16:36 >> to
00:16:38 uh
00:16:41 to his second coming
00:16:44 uh which you can get from Genesis 7
00:16:48 um
00:16:51 uh yes Genesis 7. Okay. Um which goes
00:16:55 all the way down to the second coming.
00:16:57 So last days
00:16:59 uh has a wide range of time which is
00:17:04 2,000 plus years. Okay.
00:17:08 >> So yeah. So that’s a really interesting
00:17:10 thing especially when you consider that
00:17:12 in relation to Peter’s declaration that
00:17:15 a day with Yah a day with Elohim is a
00:17:18 thousand years. The last days literally
00:17:23 by that ma mathematically by that would
00:17:26 be two days. The last days
00:17:29 >> plus a little bit more but basically
00:17:32 >> plus a few minutes.
00:17:33 >> Uh yeah sure
00:17:36 yeah yeah. Um
00:17:39 minutes a lot of seconds.
00:17:41 >> Uh and this goes along with Peter’s
00:17:43 statement that a day is like a thousand
00:17:45 years, right? So
00:17:46 >> yeah.
00:17:47 >> Um now that does not always apply. You
00:17:50 have to take context and wisdom in mind.
00:17:56 Okay?
00:17:57 >> You can’t just blindly apply something
00:18:00 you want anywhere and everywhere you
00:18:02 want. Okay?
00:18:03 >> Right? because otherwise you end up with
00:18:05 all sorts of strange interpretations of
00:18:08 end time signs and events uh which
00:18:10 there’s a lot out there and even not
00:18:12 just the second coming stuff but a lot
00:18:14 of other things. Now latter days is
00:18:17 actually the last portion of the last
00:18:21 days which is actually the second coming
00:18:25 events which I will tell you starts with
00:18:28 the first seal which is about to happen
00:18:31 which is uh USA
00:18:34 uh second civil war that is the first
00:18:36 seal um I’ll put a link to the second
00:18:39 coming page that I have cuz that that
00:18:41 gets into a lot of details but Uh if you
00:18:45 go look at all the scriptures, it talks
00:18:47 about latter days either in modern
00:18:51 revelation or ancient revelation. It
00:18:55 gets it shows that it’s actual second
00:18:58 coming events which starts with
00:19:01 >> in in modern terminology because of the
00:19:03 book of book of revelation the first
00:19:05 seal. Okay. Mhm.
00:19:08 >> So, um, with that, uh, I do think one
00:19:13 thing that maybe we can do first
00:19:16 is go look at
00:19:19 what helped us
00:19:22 know what to look for. Okay.
00:19:25 >> Mhm.
00:19:27 >> And it we were looking at Matthew 23.
00:19:32 Um, and now I we can go look at a
00:19:35 straight the Kindle app. We’ll do that
00:19:37 with the Mark one later. But I did uh
00:19:40 bring out a
00:19:41 >> kaism from the last part of Matthew 23
00:19:45 through Matthew 24.
00:19:48 >> Um which I do think is important. Um,
00:19:52 now I I do want to just be open and
00:19:54 honest uh and transparent that the new
00:19:59 translation also known as the JST or
00:20:02 inspired version does change
00:20:06 the order of some verses. Okay. But as I
00:20:09 mentioned before
00:20:11 uh this has been contemplated with other
00:20:13 parts of the New Testament, not Matthew
00:20:16 24 but other parts of the New Testament
00:20:19 which
00:20:21 talk about later in this post. So, go
00:20:23 ahead.
00:20:24 >> And by and and that by accredited
00:20:26 scholars, not just Jo not just a uh
00:20:30 farm, not just a grownup farm boy.
00:20:33 >> Correct. As in Joseph Smith. Okay.
00:20:36 >> Um now, Joseph Smith is the one that did
00:20:39 this translation through inspiration and
00:20:41 revelation. And I think because of
00:20:43 things that angels taught him. Now for
00:20:47 those who say, “Oh, Galatians something
00:20:50 something.” I don’t remember the exact
00:20:51 verse, um, Yeshua met with angels on the
00:20:56 mountain of transfiguration. So if only
00:20:59 meeting with an angel qualifies as a
00:21:03 problem, well, you have Yeshua talking
00:21:07 with angels.
00:21:10 Um, it’s not that. You actually have to
00:21:12 compare the doctrine, not your
00:21:15 traditions or your interpretations, but
00:21:17 the actual words. Okay.
00:21:19 >> No, the
00:21:20 >> Go ahead, Tony. Now the now there’s
00:21:23 another now there’s a now there’s a
00:21:25 whole entire false teaching that that is
00:21:29 going around right now that is saying
00:21:31 that most prophecy and uh and they uh
00:21:36 most of the gifts of most of the gifts
00:21:39 and powers of Elohim have been uh have
00:21:43 been
00:21:43 >> have ceased
00:21:44 >> have ceased since the apostles. That is
00:21:48 a
00:21:49 >> that’s another byproduct of Calvinism.
00:21:52 >> Well, yeah. And us I don’t know if it’s
00:21:55 just Calvinism, but I do think a lot of
00:21:57 it has to do with how people aren’t
00:21:59 seeing it.
00:22:01 >> Mhm.
00:22:01 >> So, it’s it’s
00:22:04 it’s easy for them to say that because
00:22:06 they’re not seeing it, but they’re not
00:22:08 seeing it because they don’t have the
00:22:09 faith. Now, faith is trust in Yahweh’s
00:22:13 words and diligence in keeping his
00:22:15 commandment. In fact, Yeshua say, “If
00:22:17 you love me, what was it?” Oh, yeah. It
00:22:20 was keep my commandments.
00:22:22 >> Commandments. Oh, yeah.
00:22:24 >> Yeah. Yeah. I I There’s a lot that goes
00:22:27 into this that faith is trust and
00:22:29 diligence. We won’t get sidetracked, but
00:22:32 did Ben want to say something real
00:22:33 quick?
00:22:34 >> I was It was It’s nothing of importance.
00:22:37 >> Okay. All right.
00:22:39 >> Okay. All right. So, um, we’re going to
00:22:43 look at Ma, uh, new translation, Matthew
00:22:46 24. The bolds are what, uh, Joseph Smith
00:22:49 restored. Um, yes, he did move some
00:22:52 verses around, which I even show that
00:22:55 here. Okay. Um, the new translations are
00:22:59 bold. the regulars are not but there is
00:23:05 it’s around 34 35
00:23:08 um
00:23:10 okay
00:23:12 >> uh and immediately after so actually uh
00:23:15 for those who want to go to important
00:23:16 coming days second coming events start
00:23:19 with J the center of the kayazm
00:23:23 uh everything before that has to do with
00:23:26 the destruction of uh the second temple
00:23:29 Okay.
00:23:32 >> Thus with John the coming forth of many
00:23:35 pro false prophets and anti and false
00:23:39 Christ.
00:23:43 >> Um
00:23:44 yes I I I don’t see how that’s uh
00:23:48 directly related but there are going to
00:23:50 be false prophets and false messiahs.
00:23:53 Yes.
00:23:53 >> So what I’m saying let’s stick to the
00:23:56 text here.
00:23:57 >> Yeah. So um yes, but there are going to
00:24:00 be false prophets and false messiahs
00:24:03 during the time of this uh around the
00:24:06 time of the second temple destruction
00:24:08 and also second coming. But back to the
00:24:11 point uh just so people are aware here
00:24:15 um I find Kaizen’s very insightful.
00:24:18 We’re not going to deal with that right
00:24:20 now. But the part where it goes this
00:24:22 generation
00:24:25 is around
00:24:28 Oh, there it is. So, uh 35 uh New
00:24:32 Translation, 34 King James. Um but you
00:24:37 can see here there’s
00:24:40 even with these uh King James verses,
00:24:43 you can see that there’s problems
00:24:45 because it does talk about the
00:24:46 tribulation of those days. The
00:24:48 tribulation of those days does have to
00:24:51 do with the seven years of the
00:24:52 tribulation
00:24:54 which I will tell you is the fourth
00:24:56 through the sixth seal. Okay.
00:24:59 >> Mhm.
00:25:00 >> Uh and at the during the sixth seal
00:25:03 there is going to be the sun shall be
00:25:05 darkened and the moon shall not give her
00:25:07 light and the stars shall fall from
00:25:10 heaven. Okay. So uh the sun has gone
00:25:14 dark right?
00:25:16 I mean that happens somewhat regular.
00:25:18 It’s called a solar eclipse.
00:25:21 >> The moon shall not give her light is
00:25:23 another way of saying of a lunar
00:25:24 eclipse.
00:25:27 Uh but so those two happen on a regular
00:25:31 calculated schedule. Okay? You can go
00:25:33 find out when they happen. In fact, this
00:25:35 post deals with that and at the top and
00:25:37 gives you links where you can go find
00:25:39 them. Okay?
00:25:41 >> What has not happened is the stars fall
00:25:44 from heaven. Okay?
00:25:46 And that comes and that comes as a
00:25:48 result of the polar configuration if I
00:25:51 can remember talking hearing people
00:25:53 talking about that.
00:25:54 >> So yes there’s a lot and so for those
00:25:57 who don’t know the polar configuration
00:26:00 is an esoteric in uh subject in today’s
00:26:04 world but it does deal with how uh
00:26:09 Saturn, Venus and Mars are going to be
00:26:10 at the North Pole. Yes, I know that
00:26:14 sounds weird. I’m not going to deal a
00:26:15 whole bunch with that, but there are
00:26:18 revelations throughout scriptures that
00:26:21 how the planets are going to move. Um,
00:26:24 in fact, maybe I’ll just
00:26:27 >> So, here’s an unfinished post I have. I
00:26:30 have many of those.
00:26:31 >> And you never say things like that.
00:26:33 >> No, I never do. Um,
00:26:35 >> never starts a post without finishing
00:26:37 it.
00:26:38 >> Yeah, I do it. I I I have a shiny object
00:26:41 problem. Okay, give me a break. Um,
00:26:44 let’s make this a little bigger.
00:26:46 >> Anyways,
00:26:48 >> yeah, let’s close that. So, um, I’m
00:26:50 dealing with some translations where
00:26:55 >> the stone of Daniel is actually stones.
00:26:58 I show that here in in the translations.
00:27:02 I also bring out how without hands is
00:27:05 actually bringing out how priesthood
00:27:06 power uh because when you get into this,
00:27:09 it’s saying without witchcraft. when you
00:27:12 right without cut out without hands the
00:27:15 only place it’s translated that way is
00:27:17 Daniel 2 the only place
00:27:20 >> everywhere else it’s witchcraft okay um
00:27:23 so it’s saying without witchcraft
00:27:25 meaning by the priesthood power but um
00:27:29 >> there there’s many verses and I’m trying
00:27:32 to find oh here stars and ma uh Mark oh
00:27:36 here here’s we list so Matthew brings
00:27:39 out stars which is planets. When you go
00:27:42 look into ancient uh terminology, stars
00:27:46 means planets.
00:27:48 >> Uh help giving support for multiple.
00:27:51 Okay. If nothing even if you don’t
00:27:53 believe polar configurations, you do if
00:27:56 you look at the whole cannon of
00:27:58 scriptures, you do need to believe that
00:28:01 that stone has to be stones because
00:28:03 Matthew 24:34 is stars or Acts 24:29.
00:28:09 Actually, sorry for King James. We’re
00:28:11 more familiar with that. Uh Mark 13:38
00:28:14 is stars.
00:28:16 That’s multiple.
00:28:18 Um so, Revelation 6
00:28:22 12 through 17 deals with it. There’s
00:28:24 stars
00:28:26 >> 13 and I probably have the rest because
00:28:28 of the kayazm
00:28:30 uh DNC 29
00:28:33 uh 14- 21 stars.
00:28:37 Uh 30 DC 349
00:28:40 stars 4542
00:28:43 stars DC 88 87 stars. So anyways, you
00:28:48 get the point. It’s more than one. Okay.
00:28:51 >> Plural.
00:28:53 >> Yes. Oh, and this I’ll just since I see
00:28:55 this bears here. Oh, and then here’s a
00:28:58 quote from Joseph Smith. It brings out
00:28:59 how that stars used to be called planet.
00:29:02 Oh, no. This is one how people
00:29:05 just before the second coming people
00:29:07 will say it’s a planet or a comet.
00:29:10 >> Mhm.
00:29:11 >> Uh it because it is going to be a planet
00:29:14 and I do believe this one specifically
00:29:16 is dealing with Saturn.
00:29:18 >> Yeah.
00:29:18 >> Uh just not plural. That’s a whole
00:29:20 another subject. Also, um I’m just
00:29:23 because I have a note here, I’ll just
00:29:25 say this. The the bears bears are
00:29:29 symbolic of physical death. And this is
00:29:31 dealing with Elisha who is a preparer
00:29:34 which goes along with the mighty and
00:29:36 strong one who’s coming who is also a
00:29:38 preparer.
00:29:40 Uh but Elijah calls forth two bears upon
00:29:43 the priest of Ball
00:29:46 >> or Satan.
00:29:48 Uh guess what those priestess Ball are
00:29:52 coming back with the sea beast and the
00:29:54 land beast.
00:29:55 The next preparer,
00:29:58 the mighty strong one, or he has many
00:30:00 names. Go look at my Miny Strong One
00:30:01 page. That’s just my favorite one. Um,
00:30:06 he’s going to be calling back bears or
00:30:09 planets that’s going to cause the fire
00:30:11 and brimstone to come back. In fact, on
00:30:14 that point, I have another unfinished
00:30:17 post. What was it?
00:30:20 Uh, that actually brings out how the
00:30:23 asteroids on Earth are from Mars. one of
00:30:25 those bears or bearers
00:30:28 of physical death. Okay.
00:30:31 >> Yeah. Um and I do believe that when
00:30:37 everything comes into configuration,
00:30:39 Mars will be bringing
00:30:41 Mars has a
00:30:44 Mars has a decent um
00:30:47 has a decent gravitational pull to it
00:30:50 and Saturn being huge has a massive
00:30:54 gravitational pull.
00:30:56 >> Yeah. Yeah. And this gets in a lot of
00:30:58 things. And then look, here’s a quote
00:30:59 from the Hopi prophecy, which are some
00:31:02 minions, which I think are from the
00:31:05 Lammonites from the Book of Mormon, but
00:31:08 I I can’t prove that. But they also talk
00:31:10 about how uh a red star and a blue star
00:31:13 is coming back. That’s Mars and me,
00:31:16 Mars, and Venus. And then they also talk
00:31:18 about another one that goes along with
00:31:20 Saturn. So, uh, that’s a whole another
00:31:24 subject, which the three goes back to
00:31:26 the polar configuration that, um, Johnny
00:31:29 was talking about. Okay. So, it kind of
00:31:32 a little side subject there. Oh, someone
00:31:34 want
00:31:34 >> and, uh, and the, um,
00:31:37 and the combination of the three is the
00:31:39 sign of the coming of the son of man.
00:31:41 >> Yes. A and uh when you go look at the
00:31:44 wrath uh of um or or the seventh seal of
00:31:50 the second coming, there is fire and
00:31:52 brimstone in the first seal. Okay? And
00:31:56 also the seventh seal. The first seal
00:31:59 deals with Venus and Mars. The seventh
00:32:01 seal deals with Venus. Considering even
00:32:04 just the distances
00:32:07 of the planets, that somewhat makes
00:32:10 sense.
00:32:11 Venus and Mars are pretty close to the
00:32:13 Earth.
00:32:14 >> Yep.
00:32:15 >> Um Saturn is a bit further so it would
00:32:18 take longer to get here. So anyways,
00:32:20 this is a whole
00:32:21 >> Yes. Yes.
00:32:23 >> A little longer for the special delivery
00:32:25 to arrive.
00:32:27 >> Yes.
00:32:28 >> Or the final I don’t know. Special.
00:32:31 They’re both special.
00:32:33 >> Oh, yes.
00:32:33 >> Special delivery.
00:32:36 >> Oops. But anyway, there are things here
00:32:39 that have not happened that goes along
00:32:42 with this generation. If you think that
00:32:45 this generation here in Matthew 24
00:32:49 deals with when it was stated, it has
00:32:54 not happened. Okay?
00:32:57 And I do think why this is one reason
00:33:01 why if I’m remembering the term right
00:33:04 preditism is somewhat common despite its
00:33:08 other problems.
00:33:11 Pred sorry predicism.
00:33:13 >> Um so um Josh you want to tell us what
00:33:17 predism is just
00:33:19 >> predtoism.
00:33:20 >> Yeah.
00:33:22 >> Well predtoism is is
00:33:27 It it it it
00:33:30 basically is that this is this has
00:33:33 already happened and we’re in the little
00:33:34 season already. So basically all the
00:33:37 stuff has already happened and we’re in
00:33:39 Satan’s little season right now.
00:33:41 >> Yeah.
00:33:41 >> Yeah. It is in all all the second coming
00:33:44 stuff has happened and we’re
00:33:46 >> and we’re in the final stages before the
00:33:48 final final. Yes. In fact, in fact, all
00:33:52 those things happened um at around at or
00:33:55 around 70 AD and we have we were in the
00:33:59 millennial season
00:34:01 >> the millennial reign during from 70 to
00:34:05 10070
00:34:07 and um
00:34:08 >> the dark now and since 170 we have been
00:34:15 in Satan’s little season. This is the uh
00:34:18 this is what is this is these are some
00:34:22 pillars of predtoism.
00:34:25 Now uh so I I know of no evidence that
00:34:29 Yeshua came in 70 AD
00:34:32 uh let alone reigned for a thousand
00:34:35 years. During the period as Johnny
00:34:38 correctly brought out is the dark ages.
00:34:43 the dark ages or some might say the
00:34:46 medieval ages.
00:34:47 >> Yeah. Yes. Uh if that’s when Yahweh was
00:34:50 running or ruling, he was a horrible
00:34:52 king.
00:34:54 >> Well, I will say this.
00:35:00 Interestingly enough,
00:35:03 that time period does correspond
00:35:07 with the foundation of the Holy Grail.
00:35:11 Uh, and that deals with the Antichrist
00:35:13 that’s coming. So, um, that’s a bad
00:35:16 thing, not a good thing.
00:35:18 >> No. Yep.
00:35:19 >> In addition, I will also say Satan’s
00:35:22 little season is pretty long. So, kind
00:35:25 of an oxymoron.
00:35:31 It’s almost they the Predators believe
00:35:34 or I I know I said it wrong again, but
00:35:37 anyways, they think it’s an eternal uh
00:35:40 little season
00:35:42 going on,
00:35:44 >> right?
00:35:44 >> Yes. Yes.
00:35:47 >> But now let’s look here. There is uh
00:35:51 some new translation or corrections from
00:35:54 Joseph Smith here in which these things
00:35:57 shall be shown forth. So when these
00:36:01 signs start happening,
00:36:05 that’s the generation
00:36:08 or perhaps 40 years
00:36:11 um that the temple
00:36:14 among these other signs that he gives um
00:36:18 including the word of the Yahweh going
00:36:21 to all which it deals with the 144
00:36:24 during the fifth um seal uh among some
00:36:29 others. Right. Um
00:36:32 >> so um that hasn’t happened yet.
00:36:37 >> Okay.
00:36:38 >> Um and if
00:36:42 this is I if
00:36:45 Yeshua’s second coming happened at 70 AD
00:36:48 give or take.
00:36:50 >> Uh I it hasn’t gone to the whole world.
00:36:56 >> Definitely not.
00:36:58 Um,
00:36:59 >> hell no. I I I I haven’t seen the 144
00:37:02 going out among some other things like
00:37:05 Revelations 11 and a whole bunch of
00:37:07 other stuff. Okay.
00:37:09 >> The long short of it is that predtoism
00:37:12 is bonk.
00:37:13 >> Yes. You know even if you want okay
00:37:20 for the sake of argument
00:37:23 I will give
00:37:26 that perhaps the internet could be the
00:37:28 means whereby Christianity is introduced
00:37:33 to all the world.
00:37:36 What about places,
00:37:41 you know, what about places where
00:37:43 electricity is scarce? Oh, that’s much
00:37:47 harder.
00:37:49 What about what about um
00:37:52 what about places where it’s hard to
00:37:54 where it’s hard to um
00:37:56 where it’s hard or expensive to get on
00:37:59 to get online access?
00:38:02 >> Well, I and so I do see what Ben’s
00:38:05 saying. I think more importantly, Yeshua
00:38:08 talks about everyone will see him from
00:38:10 the sky coming down
00:38:12 >> from the east to the west
00:38:14 >> just as the sun
00:38:16 >> and yeah
00:38:18 >> um there’s not accounts of that
00:38:22 >> right
00:38:22 >> anywhere.
00:38:24 So
00:38:26 it would be quite a conspiracy to hide
00:38:28 all those accounts of that. I do not
00:38:31 believe that’s what happened. I do not
00:38:34 believe the second coming has happened
00:38:35 yet. I do believe it’s just about to
00:38:39 happen.
00:38:39 >> Okay.
00:38:40 >> Yeah.
00:38:41 >> Um so, but the main reason for this uh
00:38:45 without the new translation uh tied to
00:38:49 this generation
00:38:51 in Matthew 24, whether if the verses are
00:38:56 in the right order that Joseph Smith put
00:38:58 them or not, there’s a problem. Okay.
00:39:03 >> It’s a serious problem.
00:39:05 >> Yes. So, this problem that’s in the
00:39:08 doctrine comments with this generation
00:39:09 is also in Matthew 24 and also Mark 13.
00:39:14 Okay. So, let’s go. Those who have a pro
00:39:17 So those who have a problem with
00:39:19 Doctrine and Covenant section 84
00:39:20 prophesying that a temple will be built
00:39:22 in Jackson County, Missouri in this
00:39:24 generation, they also need to have a
00:39:26 problem with Yeshua saying that all the
00:39:29 world will see him coming in the sky uh
00:39:32 in this gen in in this generation. They
00:39:34 also need to have a problem with that.
00:39:36 >> Yeah. So, yes.
00:39:38 >> Well, if we’re going to be if we’re
00:39:39 going to be fair and even across the
00:39:41 board. Yes.
00:39:42 >> Yeah. Otherwise, there’s a double
00:39:43 standard because uh there’s that verse
00:39:46 right here and I just highlighted and
00:39:48 then shall appear the sign of man in
00:39:50 heaven. Um which there’s multiple
00:39:54 interpretations of this and I will say
00:39:56 uh two that are valid is the polar
00:39:58 configuration that Johnny brought up
00:40:00 earlier and also Yeshua in the sky in
00:40:03 heaven himself. Okay. So, um anyways,
00:40:09 it’s right there. And if you go look at
00:40:12 the King James, that’s verse 30,
00:40:15 uh which goes very close to uh verse
00:40:19 King James 34,
00:40:21 >> right?
00:40:23 >> And even if you go look at the King
00:40:24 James, the generation has not changed
00:40:26 between those. Okay?
00:40:28 >> So, there is still this problem with
00:40:32 Matthew 24.
00:40:34 with or without the New Translation
00:40:36 through Joseph Smith. Okay.
00:40:39 >> Now, I’m going to go look at uh Mark
00:40:43 Oops. If I can
00:40:44 >> Mark 13.
00:40:46 >> Yeah, I just uh I’m having button
00:40:48 problems. Sorry.
00:40:50 >> Button. Button. Who’s got the button?
00:40:53 >> Who’s got the buttons?
00:40:55 >> So, uh I’m trying to remember what verse
00:41:00 in 13. Okay, it’s 39. Um,
00:41:07 I should have been more prepared. Sorry,
00:41:09 I’m going to pause for a second while I
00:41:11 get more prepared.
00:41:15 >> Where’s the
00:41:20 Okay, so the verse that talks about this
00:41:22 generation in Mark 13 is New Translation
00:41:28 39 or King James 30. And I’ll just read
00:41:32 this real quick. Uh I don’t have this
00:41:34 one in aism, but it’s basically the same
00:41:38 sermon. Someone others another Mark’s
00:41:42 rendition of it. Okay. Verily unto you
00:41:46 that or I’ll do King James first. This
00:41:50 generation shall not pass till all these
00:41:55 things shall be done. Now uh we can go
00:41:59 look at this that has heaven and earth
00:42:01 shall pass away
00:42:03 uh just the next king verse King James
00:42:06 verse that hasn’t happened. Heaven and
00:42:08 earth has not been renewed and that’s
00:42:10 what that has to deal with.
00:42:12 >> Yeah. I know it doesn’t say exactly that
00:42:14 way but that’s what’s going on because
00:42:16 to renew something the old one has to
00:42:18 pass away. Okay.
00:42:19 >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Um, but now
00:42:22 let’s go look at this in the new
00:42:25 translation that Joseph Smith restored.
00:42:28 Ben, you want to read that one for us?
00:42:32 >> Okay. Verily I say unto you.
00:42:37 Um, sorry.
00:42:40 Merrily I say unto you, this generation
00:42:42 in which these things shall be shown
00:42:44 forth shall not pass away
00:42:47 until all uh until all I have told you
00:42:50 shall be fulfilled.
00:42:52 >> Okay. So when these signs start
00:42:55 happening
00:42:57 uh there’s 40 years for it to happen
00:43:01 basically is what it’s saying there.
00:43:02 Going going off of the standard 40 years
00:43:04 for a generation biblically. Right.
00:43:07 >> Right. And so what we’re looking at here
00:43:11 is um
00:43:16 this is a problem. These verses are
00:43:18 problematic in the King James.
00:43:22 But the restoration, the new translation
00:43:26 gives us
00:43:28 the clue that allows us to see that
00:43:31 Yeshua did not prophesy falsely.
00:43:36 >> Correct. Now, just so people are aware,
00:43:38 atheists use Matthew 24 and Mark 13,
00:43:44 this generation as anti-Christian
00:43:48 material because they know without the
00:43:52 new translation that Joseph Smith
00:43:53 restored,
00:43:55 there’s problems.
00:43:58 >> So, the rabbis
00:44:00 >> rabbis use them, too.
00:44:02 >> Oh, yeah. That’s true. The
00:44:03 anti-missionaries with the Jews. So,
00:44:06 >> um that
00:44:08 and I mean considering where their
00:44:11 belief is, I don’t blame them, right?
00:44:14 >> Yeah. Okay.
00:44:16 >> Uh and so that is a that’s there’s two
00:44:18 groups. I forgot about the rabbis, the
00:44:20 Jews. Um and probably there and the
00:44:23 anti-missionaries goes with the the
00:44:25 rabbis, right? So,
00:44:27 >> yeah.
00:44:28 >> Okay. So, now let’s go look at this same
00:44:31 idea. So both of these, Matthew 24 and
00:44:35 Mark 13 in the section where this
00:44:38 generation that we’ve looked at deals
00:44:40 with second coming events. I think with
00:44:43 or without the new translation from
00:44:45 Joseph Smith, that’s obvious, but
00:44:49 um
00:44:51 the restorations that Joseph Smith does
00:44:54 clears it up. Okay. Now
00:44:58 >> um I will be honest as we were asking
00:45:01 these questions and brainstorming and
00:45:03 how to resolve this that’s
00:45:08 those new translations are what inspired
00:45:12 us to know how to understand DNC 84 1-5
00:45:18 in addition I think it’s 31 also let me
00:45:21 just see
00:45:22 >> um I think it’s somewhere oh this
00:45:25 >> yeah 31 It’s 31.
00:45:28 >> Okay. Um
00:45:31 10 or would help if I knew how to spell
00:45:34 it.
00:45:36 >> Okay. Yeah, it is 31. Um cuz that ties
00:45:39 to this generation that’s up above,
00:45:41 right? So it’s another instance of
00:45:43 saying the temple will be built in this
00:45:44 generation. Okay. But the question is
00:45:48 what is this generation? So, I do know
00:45:52 and we’ll deal with this first that
00:45:57 >> most people including me until yesterday
00:46:00 and I I I I made the generation extra
00:46:05 long to try to resolve it. Okay, I’ll be
00:46:07 honest. I was incorrect in how I
00:46:09 interpret it
00:46:11 to make it work in the past.
00:46:15 Um, and there’s various definitions of
00:46:18 the 1828
00:46:21 uh of generation that it would go with.
00:46:25 Okay. Um but I will admit it was wrong.
00:46:31 >> And but as we were the three of us, Ben,
00:46:34 Brennon, and I were
00:46:36 uh brainstorming to resolve this issue.
00:46:40 Um
00:46:42 those new translations helped us to
00:46:45 inform us how to read this verse four
00:46:48 here. Okay. So, I do think one thing
00:46:51 that also helps with this is the city
00:46:55 New Jerusalem. Now, I’m going to ask the
00:46:57 history experts like I did yesterday cuz
00:47:01 I I’m no authority in history, okay? I
00:47:04 I’m better at other things. I know my
00:47:06 strength and my weaknesses. Did Joseph
00:47:09 Smith try to start or build new
00:47:12 Jerusalem?
00:47:18 >> No. Not not as not not as such. No.
00:47:21 >> No. He he never called it New Jerusalem,
00:47:23 did he? He
00:47:24 >> No, he never did.
00:47:26 >> Yeah. So,
00:47:28 >> like I like I said, not as such. No.
00:47:30 >> Yeah. Yeah. He he was building up
00:47:32 Independence, Missouri.
00:47:35 Now, that is the center place where New
00:47:38 Jerusalem will be start to be built. But
00:47:41 he didn’t build new Jerusalem. He didn’t
00:47:43 call it that. Thus, he was not building
00:47:46 new Jerusalem.
00:47:47 >> Right.
00:47:48 Yep.
00:47:49 >> And that’s also in verse two. So I do
00:47:52 think we ought to look at verse two real
00:47:55 quick. Um and I can read that real
00:47:59 quick. Yay. The word of Yahweh
00:48:02 concerning his church. Established in
00:48:05 the last days. Okay. So established in
00:48:09 the last days, not latter days. That’s a
00:48:11 minor point there. Uh I do not believe
00:48:13 Joseph Smith came up with the name
00:48:15 latter days. Uh anyways, minor thing
00:48:18 here. Uh because last days actually
00:48:21 deals with the second coming events. Um
00:48:24 last days deals from from first coming
00:48:27 to second coming which
00:48:29 >> anyways we’ll leave it at that. For the
00:48:32 restoration of his people as he spoken
00:48:35 by the mouth of his prophets. So other
00:48:37 prophets prophesied about this. And we
00:48:39 looked at some right specifically Yeshua
00:48:43 uh Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Well, and I
00:48:46 also will ask this
00:48:52 and and I already know the answer to
00:48:54 this question. So, in my case, it might
00:48:56 be a little rhetorical, but
00:49:01 were Yoh’s people restored in the time
00:49:03 of Joseph Smith?
00:49:05 >> No. And I think this is where Ben’s
00:49:08 going off DNC 101, Redemption of Z, I
00:49:11 believe.
00:49:11 >> Yeah. Right.
00:49:12 >> They were not they were not even
00:49:14 restored during the first Civil War like
00:49:17 some people claim.
00:49:19 >> No.
00:49:19 >> Right.
00:49:20 >> No. And so that uh blood dealing with in
00:49:24 uh DNC 101 is not the first civil war.
00:49:29 Mhm.
00:49:30 >> It’s actually
00:49:32 uh the force seal when the
00:49:36 roaring lions come and take their land
00:49:39 back and redeem the land by blood
00:49:41 because they will shed blood to take
00:49:43 back their land
00:49:45 >> that Yahweh gave them. Thus, it will be
00:49:48 redeemed
00:49:49 and people in Joseph Smith’s day will be
00:49:53 able to live on it because um throughout
00:49:56 the scriptures including Daniel 7 talks
00:50:00 about uh if nothing else at least atom
00:50:04 coming back. Okay? And that that’s
00:50:06 another subject anyways. But uh and then
00:50:09 also Daniel 12 brings out how Daniel
00:50:13 will be coming back.
00:50:16 >> Um Those are two that I know off top of
00:50:18 my head. There’s probably others. I’d
00:50:19 have to look at notes. I don’t have
00:50:20 everything memorized. I do better at
00:50:23 principles and lines than I do in actual
00:50:26 verses. Okay. So, so this is the thing.
00:50:31 >> These are some touch points, some data
00:50:34 points, things to look for.
00:50:37 Restoration of his people spoken of by
00:50:40 the mouth of the prophets. And this
00:50:42 restoration is spoken of by Isaiah,
00:50:44 Jeremiah,
00:50:46 all the prophets. Now, this gathering of
00:50:49 the saints is what unto Mount Zion is
00:50:52 what the mighty and strong one is going
00:50:56 to head at with the 144 during the fifth
00:51:00 seal and also during just the fourth
00:51:02 seal while people around the world will
00:51:05 flee unto Zion or New Jerusalem, another
00:51:08 name for it. Right. Right.
00:51:12 um which shall be the city of New
00:51:14 Jerusalem. So, Joseph Smith with all his
00:51:19 knowledge of these prophecies that came
00:51:21 through his mouth from Yahweh did not
00:51:25 call the city he was building New
00:51:27 Jerusalem.
00:51:28 >> No, he did not.
00:51:30 >> No, he was he knew it wasn’t his. He
00:51:33 wanted it to be his, but he knew it
00:51:35 wasn’t his.
00:51:36 >> Right. M.
00:51:37 >> So, um, Joseph Smith and
00:51:43 I’m sorry,
00:51:44 >> Cowardry.
00:51:45 >> No, no, no. Um, I’m thinking something
00:51:47 else.
00:51:48 Um,
00:51:51 I go I It’s been a while.
00:51:55 Zenf. Zenf is a type of Joseph Smith.
00:51:59 Okay. Zenf was overzealous. So was
00:52:01 Joseph Smith. But at the same time,
00:52:03 Joseph Smith knew not to call the city
00:52:06 New Jerusalem.
00:52:09 >> Okay.
00:52:10 >> Yep.
00:52:11 >> Um
00:52:13 Yeah.
00:52:14 And then we go move.
00:52:16 >> So,
00:52:18 New Jerusalem has never been started
00:52:20 yet. So, that generation
00:52:23 count of 40 years has not been started.
00:52:26 >> Right. So, I I think we can uh well, I
00:52:31 mean, I’ll just read three just for the
00:52:32 heck of it, just for context stuff.
00:52:34 Okay. Which city shall be built
00:52:37 beginning at the temple lot? Okay. So,
00:52:40 we we know where the temple lot is,
00:52:42 >> which is appointed by the finger of
00:52:44 Yahweh. So, Yahweh says where the uh
00:52:47 temple lot is.
00:52:48 >> Yep.
00:52:50 >> Uh so, will be built. Shall future
00:52:54 tense. Yeah, that’s something that
00:52:56 Joseph Smith which city has been built.
00:52:59 No, it’s it doesn’t say that. It says
00:53:01 >> shall be built.
00:53:04 >> And this also brings out how the temple
00:53:06 lot has been set.
00:53:08 So yes, it’s saying that the city’s
00:53:10 future, but the temple lot dedication is
00:53:13 past tense.
00:53:15 >> Right? So even verse three is actually
00:53:18 now that I’m going through is actually
00:53:20 very insightful here when he analyzes
00:53:23 the tenses that’s going on within it.
00:53:26 Right.
00:53:26 >> Right.
00:53:27 >> Yeah.
00:53:28 >> Uh pointed by the finger of Yahweh in
00:53:30 the western boundaries of the state of
00:53:32 Missouri dedicated by the hand of Joseph
00:53:35 Smith and others whom Yahweh was well
00:53:37 pleased. So they said so that corner
00:53:41 temple lot was dedicated. Mhm.
00:53:44 >> That’s past tense here.
00:53:47 >> And they were in the city. Now, this is
00:53:49 where I’ll have to depend on the history
00:53:51 bus. They’ve been in the city for a
00:53:54 while, right?
00:53:56 >> Yeah. Well, they it was the land was
00:53:58 dedicated prior to this revelation.
00:54:01 >> Yeah. And they’ve been building
00:54:02 Independence Missouri prior to this
00:54:04 revelation, right?
00:54:06 >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:54:08 They they they’ve been building in the
00:54:10 areas surrounding independ independence
00:54:12 was already an established city.
00:54:15 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:16 >> At that point in time. So So they’re
00:54:18 they’re
00:54:21 >> no clarification there. Right. Right.
00:54:23 >> But they they were building they were
00:54:25 helping build Independence Missouri.
00:54:27 >> They were they were building the
00:54:28 frontier up is what they were doing.
00:54:31 They were building up the frontier. They
00:54:33 weren’t necessarily building up the city
00:54:35 because the city was already
00:54:36 established. Now, now it it did grow a
00:54:40 little bit
00:54:43 >> due to the assistance of the Saints in
00:54:47 the area bringing funneling in more
00:54:49 business and stuff like that into
00:54:51 independence.
00:54:53 But really, honestly,
00:54:55 independence is already a
00:54:57 wellestablished city uh of commerce on
00:55:00 the western frontier.
00:55:02 >> Okay. So I I I with that I do think uh
00:55:05 everybody here will agree with uh on
00:55:08 building on top of that history that was
00:55:10 just brought out. If uh the generation
00:55:14 of new Jerusalem was what Joseph Smith
00:55:16 was building, they should say is being
00:55:19 built up instead of shall be built up.
00:55:21 >> Correct. It’s still future tense. Yes.
00:55:24 >> Yeah. at at that point while while
00:55:26 independence was an established city, it
00:55:30 was also a quickly growing city. So it
00:55:33 was still I would still say that it was
00:55:35 still being built up even though it was
00:55:38 established.
00:55:39 >> Okay. Sure. Sure. But this grammar here
00:55:42 or specific word here is pointing to
00:55:45 future events rather than what was going
00:55:48 on at the time.
00:55:50 And I think that
00:55:53 that’s the most important aspect.
00:55:55 >> Yes. Yes. But I I do think some of the
00:55:58 history helps inform that. Right.
00:56:01 >> Right.
00:56:01 >> And so I I I do want to admit here that
00:56:05 even I I myself along with I think
00:56:08 everybody else. Okay. Uh but I will call
00:56:11 myself out specifically here. I read
00:56:14 this generation in the past,
00:56:18 Joseph Smith’s generation, and I
00:56:20 modified it some to make it work. Okay.
00:56:23 >> Yeah,
00:56:24 >> I read it wrong.
00:56:26 >> Yeah,
00:56:26 >> I read it wrong.
00:56:30 Now, I I’ll um Ben, you want to do verse
00:56:33 four? Okay.
00:56:36 Verily, this is the word of Yah, that
00:56:38 the city, New Jerusalem, shall be built
00:56:41 by the gathering of the saints,
00:56:43 beginning at this place, even the place
00:56:45 of the temple, uh, which temple shall be
00:56:48 reared in this generation. In which
00:56:51 generation? In the generation of the
00:56:53 restoration of his people, um, and the
00:56:57 building of the new Jerusalem. and the
00:57:00 building of the new Jerusalem
00:57:01 >> because in fact there’s the built right
00:57:04 there
00:57:05 >> which does not go along with the history
00:57:08 or the
00:57:10 >> uh what was going on where the shall in
00:57:13 verse three which is pointing to the
00:57:15 same
00:57:16 >> it says it says shall in verse four as
00:57:19 well
00:57:20 >> oh it did did I okay
00:57:22 >> y
00:57:22 >> oh yeah yeah yeah
00:57:24 >> you’re right you’re right
00:57:25 >> back to back to future tense
00:57:28 >> yes that’s truth. Very good point there,
00:57:30 Josh. So, the thing is when you have the
00:57:33 truth, it it it just comes out
00:57:36 everywhere. You don’t have to have all
00:57:37 of it, right?
00:57:38 >> Okay. And I and I love verse five
00:57:41 anyway, just because of the image, the
00:57:43 tabernacle imagery um and the pointing
00:57:46 to the restoration of sacrifices that
00:57:49 comes with the tabernacle imagery.
00:57:51 >> Okay, go ahead and read five then and
00:57:52 then we’ll go back to 40.
00:57:54 >> For verily this generation, which
00:57:56 generation? the generation of the
00:57:58 restoration of his people and of the
00:58:00 building of the new Jerusalem. With for
00:58:02 verily this generation shall not all
00:58:04 pass away until an house shall be built
00:58:07 unto y and a cloud shall rest upon it
00:58:10 which cloud shall be even the glory of y
00:58:15 which shall fill the house. So this
00:58:18 house is temple. Okay. So house house
00:58:21 has many meanings. It could be me uh
00:58:23 people or temple. But with the imagery
00:58:26 that’s going along with this has been
00:58:28 brought out is the glory of Yahweh
00:58:30 resting upon it just as it did the
00:58:32 tabernacle with Moses. Okay.
00:58:34 >> Right.
00:58:35 >> Which also points and what was the use
00:58:38 of the tabernacle? What was the use of
00:58:41 Solomon’s temple?
00:58:44 >> Animal sacrifices. Um I I mean that’s
00:58:48 the most obvious, but it’s also the
00:58:50 resting place of Yahw.
00:58:52 >> It is the place. It is the place
00:58:56 where Yam manifests himself among his
00:58:59 people in his glory.
00:59:01 >> Yeah. And uh that will happen again and
00:59:05 you can look at various stuff on my blog
00:59:07 that because we’re not going to get into
00:59:09 too much of this. Yahweh will live in
00:59:11 the temple and stay there forever. And
00:59:13 by the way, and by the way, no matter
00:59:16 how many times you write holiness to the
00:59:17 Lord on the side of a building, if the
00:59:20 if ya is actually in the building, if Ya
00:59:24 is actually that part of the building
00:59:26 which Ya actually inhabits cannot be
00:59:29 cannot be seen uh except by
00:59:34 um those whom he quickens
00:59:39 to be.
00:59:39 >> Yeah. And that includes uh cleaners. So
00:59:43 anyway, that’s another subject. Uh going
00:59:46 against the LDS brigamite temples.
00:59:49 >> Yeah.
00:59:50 >> Yeah. I’m going against brigamite
00:59:52 temples for those who didn’t catch it.
00:59:53 But um so I I do think this generation
00:59:59 there’s two main ways that that could be
01:00:01 read. the generation that this
01:00:03 revelation was given, which is actually
01:00:06 to a certain extent what I uh I read it
01:00:09 as, but I extended it um
01:00:12 >> right
01:00:14 >> longer than the 40 years or the
01:00:17 generation which I think is more
01:00:20 specific when the city of New Jerusalem
01:00:23 shall be built which Joseph Smith never
01:00:26 worked on,
01:00:27 >> right?
01:00:28 >> He never called it.
01:00:30 >> Nope. We have the location where it will
01:00:34 be done but it was never started.
01:00:38 >> In addition,
01:00:39 >> I would say we have the location of the
01:00:40 center place of
01:00:42 >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then we also have
01:00:44 an edge that then gives us a circle.
01:00:47 >> Yeah.
01:00:48 >> I I don’t know if Zion’s going to be an
01:00:51 exact circle, but that gives us that
01:00:53 circle from the center point.
01:00:55 >> Well, it gives us it gives us a radius.
01:00:57 >> Yeah. It gives us an approximation what
01:01:00 Z will be. Okay. And I think it’s a good
01:01:03 approximation, but just understand.
01:01:06 >> And just so everyone understands, it’s
01:01:08 going to be big.
01:01:10 >> Uh yes. Uh Brennan has a picture of it
01:01:13 once. If he can get that up, I’ll share
01:01:15 it.
01:01:16 >> I do think I do think there’s some good
01:01:19 um there’s some in the shape of the
01:01:23 tabernacle itself. There’s some good um
01:01:26 idea about it being set up as a square
01:01:30 or rectangle.
01:01:32 >> No,
01:01:34 the Zion or just the
01:01:35 >> Yeah, Zion. Just Zion.
01:01:37 >> No.
01:01:38 >> Uh I I don’t know about that. Um
01:01:42 >> so the tabernacle is going to be a
01:01:45 rectangle. Yes. Um I don’t know.
01:01:51 I I personally don’t think you can apply
01:01:52 that design, but I’m not too worried
01:01:54 about it.
01:01:54 >> So,
01:01:55 >> yeah. I mean, that’s just that’s
01:01:57 >> it’s
01:01:58 >> let it be known. This was this is
01:02:00 speculation on my part.
01:02:01 >> Yeah. Yeah, that’s fine. And and I even
01:02:04 said the center place and the corner
01:02:07 would be used for an edge. I don’t think
01:02:09 it’s an actual circle, but I think the
01:02:11 circle with that radius is a good
01:02:13 approximation.
01:02:15 >> So,
01:02:16 >> and exact. So,
01:02:17 >> so Zion, if I can remember correctly,
01:02:20 goes as far west as the Rockies and as
01:02:24 far east as close to the east coast.
01:02:27 >> I don’t think it touches the Rockies if
01:02:29 I remember correctly.
01:02:30 >> It doesn’t touch the Rockies. It doesn’t
01:02:32 touch the Rockies. It does go kind of
01:02:35 into the kind of to the edge of the
01:02:38 Appalachian.
01:02:39 >> Okay, so here’s the picture that Brennan
01:02:42 made. Um, let me share that real quick.
01:02:44 So this is an approximation, right? So
01:02:49 what’s going on is he did a radius from
01:02:52 Independence, Missouri to was it Kansas,
01:02:55 Ohio?
01:02:55 >> Uh to Kirtland, Ohio.
01:02:57 >> Oh, Kirtland, Ohio. Sorry.
01:02:59 >> In fact, in fact, I did it directly to
01:03:02 the Kirtland Chapel or the Kirtland
01:03:05 House of the Lords.
01:03:06 >> Oh, okay. Okay. Uh so
01:03:08 >> some of the G Coast added in here a
01:03:11 little.
01:03:11 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then he just did a
01:03:14 circle off of that radius. Now the Rocky
01:03:16 Mountains is like over here. So it’s uh
01:03:19 >> it’s not quite to the Rockies.
01:03:21 >> Not quite to the Rockies. So guess what?
01:03:24 Salt Lake City, Utah. You’re not Zion.
01:03:26 Um anyways. Anyway,
01:03:29 >> well, I get to see all the poor among
01:03:31 you and um and I know personally know
01:03:34 poor that who are faithful TBMs of the
01:03:38 LDS church, brigamites, that
01:03:41 >> the brigamites won’t help.
01:03:43 >> I know that Utah has a very nice system
01:03:46 for exploiting the homeless.
01:03:49 >> Yes. Uh so anyways, that’s a whole
01:03:51 another subject. Uh yes either way uh
01:03:55 with even with this approximation here
01:03:57 >> it goes it goes it it abuts the Rockies
01:04:01 on one side and the Appalachian
01:04:03 Mountains on the other.
01:04:05 >> Yeah. It’s it’s huge. Okay.
01:04:07 >> And then I can see Houston in in a
01:04:10 little
01:04:11 >> Yeah. Oh yeah. And it actually goes up a
01:04:15 little bit into Canada too. Anyways,
01:04:17 >> and what I what I find really
01:04:19 interesting is that at least depending
01:04:22 on who you believe, Joseph Smith told
01:04:26 James Strang that there would be a stake
01:04:28 in Wisconsin. He told Lyman White that
01:04:31 there would be one in Texas and he told
01:04:34 Sydney Rigdon that there would be one in
01:04:36 southern Canada. And that that all lines
01:04:38 up with the the borders here just like
01:04:42 >> yeah that goes with the radius that’s
01:04:45 drawn there right and and this radius is
01:04:48 based off of what’s in the scriptures
01:04:51 right center
01:04:53 >> and I think it’s corner but I I there’s
01:04:58 I’m sure there’s multiple definitions
01:04:59 the corner but anyways
01:05:01 >> right right
01:05:03 >> so but using that radius that does
01:05:06 satisfy all the points that people are
01:05:08 are claiming that Joseph Smith said. Uh
01:05:12 considering what we see here, I can see
01:05:14 it’s possible. I would say be careful
01:05:18 with believing things that Joseph people
01:05:21 claim Joseph Smith says because if you
01:05:23 believe them all, he’s u contradicting
01:05:27 himself.
01:05:28 >> He’s a perjur he’s a perjured liar. If
01:05:30 you believe
01:05:31 >> I don’t believe that.
01:05:32 >> At the very at the very least, he’s a
01:05:34 bloody nut. Uh yes. Uh so there’s a lot
01:05:38 of issues if you believe everything
01:05:39 that’s claimed from Joseph Smith. Okay.
01:05:42 And and I have a post on that that deals
01:05:44 with that to some degree. Uh Joseph
01:05:47 Smith’s last stream. I’ll add a link to
01:05:48 that. But anyways, this main point here
01:05:51 give you a general rough idea what Z
01:05:56 will end up being. It will start in the
01:05:59 center and move out. Okay.
01:06:01 >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
01:06:03 >> Right here. Right here. and right here
01:06:05 and right here.
01:06:06 >> Um well uh that is just an
01:06:09 approximation, Johnny. Do not make it
01:06:12 the gospel.
01:06:13 >> Yeah. Yeah. Don’t don’t it it’s it’s a
01:06:18 rough idea. Okay. Don’t take it.
01:06:20 >> It’s it’s it’s a guesstimate.
01:06:23 >> Yes, that’s a good word for that. Um,
01:06:26 and it is the guesstimate is based off
01:06:28 of scriptures, but
01:06:31 >> it is a rough estimate, not an exact.
01:06:34 Okay? Cuz there’s I don’t even know
01:06:37 anywhere in scriptures that the word
01:06:39 radius is used to be honest.
01:06:42 >> Right? In fact, what I the the uh the
01:06:47 reason one of the reasons why I surmise
01:06:49 it might be a square or a rectangle is
01:06:52 because of the word corner, which does
01:06:54 point to one of those two shapes.
01:06:56 >> Well, okay. But if you go look at those
01:06:59 two, the center and the corner, they’re
01:07:02 at the same.
01:07:04 So
01:07:05 >> that somewhat goes against the
01:07:07 statements of Joseph Smith of adding
01:07:08 Canada
01:07:10 >> and Texas.
01:07:11 >> Yeah. Yeah. So I I I I do understand
01:07:15 where you’re coming from.
01:07:16 >> I think Well, yeah. And and again, it’s
01:07:18 all speculation and guesswork and all
01:07:20 that good stuff, but I do think that
01:07:23 with people running away from all the
01:07:25 bad stuff that’s happening in the world
01:07:27 that Zion is going to grow very very
01:07:30 quickly and it’s going to grow in all
01:07:32 directions.
01:07:33 >> Yeah. I I I just
01:07:35 >> I can’t help but do that. Well, and for
01:07:38 the
01:07:38 >> fun of it, let’s go look at the word
01:07:40 corner just so we’re
01:07:41 >> Yeah. Yeah. I’m not Yeah.
01:07:45 >> Yeah. I I actually I’m not sure what all
01:07:47 the definitions are, but let’s go look.
01:07:51 >> Uh
01:07:52 >> where two converging lines meet.
01:07:56 >> Okay.
01:07:57 >> So, corner,
01:07:59 >> right? Line number one. Line number two.
01:08:02 Boom.
01:08:02 >> That’s a corner.
01:08:04 >> That’s a corner. So, I mean that even
01:08:07 with the radius idea, there could be a
01:08:09 corner there because I don’t think it’s
01:08:10 going to be an exact circle possibly.
01:08:13 >> Right. Right. So,
01:08:15 >> but on just the idea of it being a
01:08:17 rectangle or a square, I don’t think it
01:08:20 fits because of what uh these quotes
01:08:22 from Joseph Smith are including still.
01:08:25 Yeah.
01:08:26 >> Which actually um
01:08:29 >> uh just and I don’t remember the name,
01:08:30 but the head apostle before Brigham.
01:08:33 kicked him out and all that jazz. He
01:08:36 went to
01:08:36 >> Sydney Rigdon.
01:08:38 >> No, it was another one. There’s a DNC
01:08:40 section with
01:08:41 >> MarkX. Marks something like that. I
01:08:43 think
01:08:45 >> um yeah, so he was the head apostle
01:08:47 before Brigham Young.
01:08:50 >> Oh, Marsh. Marsh.
01:08:52 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He went to Texas,
01:08:55 right?
01:08:56 >> No, that was Lyman White.
01:08:58 >> Oh, okay. So, maybe I got my history
01:08:59 mixed up. Why you don’t trust me for
01:09:01 history?
01:09:02 >> Thomas B. Marsh actually ended up
01:09:03 reuniting with the church. So, uh Okay.
01:09:07 So, uh that was a bad idea to bring that
01:09:09 up, but anyways.
01:09:10 >> So, yeah. So, it’s uh but yes, uh Lyman
01:09:13 White was Lyman White was um I believe
01:09:18 he was one of the 12
01:09:21 >> at one point. Yes.
01:09:22 >> At one point. Yeah. So, he but uh yeah,
01:09:25 he so the inter Okay. So, let’s look
01:09:28 back. So verse two, I mean definition to
01:09:31 the interior point where two lines meet
01:09:33 in an angle. Okay. So that’s uh goes
01:09:36 along with two lines
01:09:37 >> like on a graph.
01:09:38 >> Yeah.
01:09:39 >> And they don’t have to be necessarily
01:09:41 90° angle there, right? So
01:09:45 >> definition four,
01:09:46 >> an enclosed place,
01:09:50 >> a secret or retired place.
01:09:55 >> So I think five is actually better.
01:09:57 Indef Indely any part a part
01:10:01 >> a part just a part it’s literally just
01:10:04 this is a part of Zion
01:10:06 >> yeah I I mean so here’s how um we just
01:10:10 looked at the dictionary I didn’t know
01:10:12 what this that definition of corner was
01:10:14 I I mean that completely goes against
01:10:17 how people have used it today which goes
01:10:19 with earlier definitions it’s just a
01:10:22 part
01:10:24 >> in fact here they have a sense they
01:10:25 searched every corner of the foreign
01:10:28 uh forest. Sorry.
01:10:30 >> So yeah, so
01:10:31 >> they just searched every part. So a
01:10:32 corner means a part.
01:10:34 >> And so technically And so technically
01:10:37 the place where the Nephite civilization
01:10:39 was destroyed in um or where the plates
01:10:43 were buried could also be a pl where
01:10:46 Moroni buried the plates. Um Kabora
01:10:50 could also end up being a part of the
01:10:53 Zion area.
01:10:55 It could be. Um, yeah, it could. I I I
01:11:00 who knows maybe, right? We don’t have
01:11:03 any scriptures for that. That’s been
01:11:04 speculating again, right? So,
01:11:06 >> well, of course, naturally.
01:11:08 >> Well, I’m just
01:11:08 >> Where there’s no where there’s no
01:11:10 scripture, it’s always speculation.
01:11:12 >> Well, I’m just making it obvious to
01:11:15 others, Ben. That’s all.
01:11:16 >> Yeah.
01:11:18 But uh um so here I do think uh uh verse
01:11:22 five definitely is the definition that
01:11:25 should be used with that. Right. It’s
01:11:28 just a part.
01:11:30 >> Yeah.
01:11:30 >> It’s just
01:11:31 >> I wouldn’t have known that without just
01:11:32 going and looking. Right. I mean I I
01:11:34 like the dictionary especially the 1828
01:11:36 dictionary which helps us understand the
01:11:38 Book of Mormon and the Doctrine
01:11:39 Covenants and even the Bible at times.
01:11:42 Right.
01:11:42 >> Right. Oh yeah. Uh but the Bible I use
01:11:45 more Bible hub and go back to the
01:11:47 original language. Um
01:11:49 >> there
01:11:50 >> which is which is probably a better
01:11:52 practice. Well, yeah. I mean, but they
01:11:55 they both it has its place, right? But I
01:11:58 think
01:11:58 >> well, when you’re dealing with the
01:11:59 modern revelation and stuff like that,
01:12:02 the dictionary 1828 dictionary, the
01:12:05 diction the knowledge of words that was
01:12:08 available to uh Joseph Smith and his
01:12:12 compatriots
01:12:13 uh
01:12:16 that is an invaluable
01:12:18 um
01:12:19 >> resource. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
01:12:21 >> Yes. I agree. modern revelations because
01:12:24 you that is the modern revelations are
01:12:27 in English.
01:12:30 >> Yeah.
01:12:32 >> And goes along with the definitions of
01:12:34 the words at that day.
01:12:36 >> Yep.
01:12:37 >> So, uh, real quick, I do think which
01:12:40 temple, which is the third temple
01:12:42 actually, shall be reared in I I know it
01:12:46 says this generation. Okay. I think
01:12:50 um a better way to understand it is that
01:12:54 generation. Now the reason I say that
01:12:57 because that refers to when new
01:12:59 Jerusalem is started to be built and the
01:13:02 saints start gathering where this could
01:13:05 apply to that or the time when this
01:13:09 revelation was given.
01:13:11 >> Makes sense. Okay. Now I have a um
01:13:17 based in scripture I have an idea for
01:13:20 why it is that this um
01:13:25 this that the word this is used both
01:13:28 here and in Matthew and Mark.
01:13:31 >> Okay. Uh do you want me to share
01:13:34 something on the screen or you just want
01:13:35 to
01:13:35 >> No, it’s
01:13:38 Yeshua said that he speaks in parables.
01:13:41 Yes said that he spoke in parables
01:13:45 so that the wicked would not understand.
01:13:48 And so here he uses a word
01:13:52 in in these prophecies he uses a word
01:13:54 that the wicked will purposefully
01:13:56 misunderstand.
01:13:58 >> Yeah.
01:13:59 >> And they have
01:14:00 >> and that the righteous will search
01:14:04 for its true meaning and which
01:14:06 generation.
01:14:10 >> Yeah. I I I could definitely see it
01:14:12 going along with that that Yahweh spoke
01:14:15 in a way that only his diligence
01:14:19 diligent followers
01:14:22 will come to understand what it actually
01:14:24 means.
01:14:24 >> Would we actually be able to understand,
01:14:26 right? Yeah,
01:14:27 >> I can see that. Yeah.
01:14:29 >> Yeah,
01:14:30 >> I think that’s a valid point. Um, and I
01:14:33 I will add to that. I think the reason
01:14:35 why it says this generation in the DNC
01:14:38 is because it’s copying the pattern from
01:14:41 uh Matthew 24 and Mark 13 cuz Joseph
01:14:45 Smith used King James language.
01:14:49 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:52 >> It was following that pattern.
01:14:54 >> So if you have a problem, let me just
01:14:57 say this real quick. If you have a
01:14:58 problem with what’s in the DNC,
01:15:01 you honestly you need to have a problem
01:15:04 which in in Matthew 24 and Mark 13,
01:15:07 which ironically
01:15:11 Joseph Smith uh fixes.
01:15:14 >> Yeah. Which which is really interesting
01:15:17 seeing as he’s a false prophet. is
01:15:19 trying to draw attention away from
01:15:20 Yeshua and discredit.
01:15:24 >> Yeah, he’s trying to make Yeshua’s words
01:15:26 >> statement to the scriptures. Yes.
01:15:28 >> Oh, so yeah.
01:15:31 Genesis 50 is not about Joseph Smith and
01:15:34 I’ll link the my recording on third
01:15:38 Nephi 3 which deals with the same person
01:15:42 um which is actually the coming mighty
01:15:45 strong one. Joseph Smith did not write.
01:15:48 He dictated for one. Okay, I’ll leave it
01:15:51 to that. I’ll I’ll put that.
01:15:52 >> And also and also about Genesis chapter
01:15:55 50.
01:15:57 >> That is not the only prophecy in the
01:15:59 Bible about the one mighty and strong.
01:16:01 >> No.
01:16:03 >> So when you say that it’s a onceoff
01:16:05 thing that only appears in the new
01:16:08 translation,
01:16:10 you are ignoring
01:16:12 vast sections of Isaiah.
01:16:15 >> No. No. And even the new I don’t know
01:16:18 vast but there’s stuff even in the new
01:16:20 testament about him.
01:16:21 >> Yeah.
01:16:22 >> Right.
01:16:23 >> So you’re so if you wish in your
01:16:27 ignorance to continue to u cast
01:16:30 dispersions on the work of on the work
01:16:33 of Yah’s servant.
01:16:37 Well
01:16:38 >> do so we’ll see how that works for you
01:16:41 at the last day. And I I’ll just tell
01:16:43 you, uh, this man, the mighty strong
01:16:47 one, he comes public, guess what? He’s
01:16:48 going to say that Joseph Smith had a
01:16:51 part in his setting apart. So, um, if
01:16:55 you don’t like Joseph Smith, you’re not
01:16:56 going to like who’s coming to correct
01:16:58 everything.
01:16:59 >> Mhm.
01:17:00 >> And he’s going to be using the Bible and
01:17:01 the Book of Mormon, which goes along
01:17:03 with Second Nephi 3 and Ezekiel 37,
01:17:05 among others.
01:17:07 In fact, he would come from the same
01:17:10 quotequote same church that Joseph Smith
01:17:12 founded.
01:17:13 >> Oh, yeah. And
01:17:14 >> well, kind of because the church that
01:17:18 Joseph Smith founded is not around
01:17:20 anymore. But he will come
01:17:23 >> he will be a believer in Joseph Smith
01:17:25 and what Joseph Smith actually revealed,
01:17:28 I think, is a better way of putting it.
01:17:29 >> So, here’s here’s some history. Here’s
01:17:31 some history for you, Johnny, on the uh
01:17:34 on the church that we were a part of.
01:17:37 It was actually reorganized when Brigham
01:17:39 Young got the Saints got the Latterday
01:17:41 Saints into um Utah. It was reorganized.
01:17:46 >> In addition, he forced everybody to be
01:17:49 rebaptized stating starting a new
01:17:51 church. So there
01:17:52 >> So it’s a different So it is a different
01:17:54 church.
01:17:55 >> In addition, Brigham Young changed the
01:17:58 organization of the church to the fact
01:18:01 that it’s contradicting the Book of
01:18:02 Mormon and the Doctrine Covenants. And
01:18:05 it goes along with the prophecy that I
01:18:07 call King Brighgam.
01:18:09 How uh King Noah changed the structure
01:18:12 of the church when he got in charge just
01:18:14 as Brigham Young changed the structure
01:18:16 of the church when he got in charge.
01:18:17 >> No.
01:18:18 >> No. What I’m trying to get at is it w it
01:18:21 that the church that we came from is is
01:18:24 a is a different different deferring
01:18:28 tradition that has been reorganized.
01:18:32 >> Yeah. It’s a breakoff. I would say a
01:18:35 breakoff.
01:18:35 >> It’s a breakoff of Joseph Smith’s
01:18:37 church.
01:18:38 >> Is it the biggest and most uh relevant?
01:18:41 >> Okay. So, Johnny Johnny, it wasn’t
01:18:43 Joseph Smith’s church.
01:18:45 >> It never was Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith
01:18:49 was not his church.
01:18:50 >> Yeah, it was Yeshua’s church.
01:18:52 >> Oh, it was a church that Joseph Smith
01:18:54 organized. So,
01:18:56 >> yeah.
01:18:58 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, that is a valid point.
01:19:00 Uh but the brigamites changed it uh and
01:19:04 continue to change it
01:19:07 >> and are continuing
01:19:10 >> to change it.
01:19:12 >> Yeah. Uh I do believe other restoration
01:19:14 churches are doing that also. Um, in
01:19:17 fact, like the RLDS church, also known
01:19:20 as Community of the Christ today,
01:19:23 uh, actually put a woman in charge where
01:19:26 the new translation specifically states
01:19:32 uh, a woman that’s not supposed to.
01:19:34 >> And also Isaiah brings out, I forget
01:19:37 which chapter brings out it’s a curse
01:19:39 when a woman is in charge. So, but there
01:19:41 is that.
01:19:43 So,
01:19:43 >> women cursed themselves. So, there you
01:19:45 go. Anyway,
01:19:46 >> they curse themselves, their religion,
01:19:48 and their nation.
01:19:52 >> A little far with that one, Johnny.
01:19:55 >> Yeah,
01:19:55 >> Johnny,
01:19:55 >> that was a a grand sweeping statement
01:19:58 there, Johnny.
01:19:59 >> Yeah,
01:20:00 >> I will remind you, Johnny, that we are
01:20:02 recording. I would suggest that you not
01:20:04 make statements like that while WE ARE
01:20:06 RECORDING.
01:20:07 >> OH, I WANT TO apologize for that. Sorry.
01:20:10 >> That’s fine. Uh Johnny sometimes goes a
01:20:12 little too far. Okay. Um, anyways, so I
01:20:17 I do want to just bring out how this
01:20:20 generation here points to
01:20:24 when the city new Jerusalem shall be
01:20:27 built, Joseph Smith did not do that, nor
01:20:31 did he ever claim to.
01:20:34 >> Nope, he did not.
01:20:37 >> So, the clock has not started.
01:20:40 >> Nope. Mhm.
01:20:42 >> Now, I will say it will happen.
01:20:44 >> I believe it will soon.
01:20:45 >> It will happen soon during the fourth
01:20:47 seal of Revelation. Okay.
01:20:49 >> Yeah.
01:20:51 >> Um with the Lehites aka Native
01:20:55 Americans. Okay.
01:20:57 >> Um that has not happened. It will happen
01:21:00 soon. Um and and that’s a big subject. I
01:21:03 don’t think we’ll get into that.
01:21:05 >> That’s that’s a whole different Yeah,
01:21:06 that’s a whole different can of worms.
01:21:08 >> Yeah. But I do hopefully help people see
01:21:13 that the three of us and us talking here
01:21:15 even Josh brought out one here right
01:21:17 with the shall in verse four brings out
01:21:21 help. This is future tense not something
01:21:23 was happening then. If it was happening
01:21:26 then the future word shall would have
01:21:30 not have been used. And something from
01:21:33 Matthew uh
01:21:37 from Matthew 24
01:21:39 >> from Matthew 24 and Mark 13 that is also
01:21:42 extremely tense dependent. You have to
01:21:46 be paying attention to the tense.
01:21:49 >> Yeah.
01:21:49 >> You can’t be applying it universally. No
01:21:52 man and of that day no man knoweth the
01:21:57 hour. This is present tense in King
01:22:00 James.
01:22:01 >> Oh yeah. That’s Matthew 24, I believe.
01:22:03 Not Mark 13. I don’t know if that one’s
01:22:05 in Mark 13, but that was definitely uh
01:22:07 Matthew 24. And on that tense there, uh
01:22:11 when you go look at the Greek underneath
01:22:14 the English translation,
01:22:16 >> um
01:22:18 it is present tense, not future tense.
01:22:23 >> Right? And it did uh Yahweh
01:22:28 oh in one of the Daniel chapters
01:22:32 uh it’s 10 or 12 sorry I can’t remember
01:22:34 right now uh Yahweh tells Daniel that
01:22:37 someone people in the future will know
01:22:41 when these will happen. I I don’t
01:22:44 >> Paul and Paul tells the saints that the
01:22:47 children of light will know when the
01:22:49 time comes.
01:22:51 >> Yes. And there’s many verses in the New
01:22:54 Testament that do talk about how the
01:22:57 saints ought to know in addition that
01:23:00 they will know which actually goes
01:23:03 against how most people interpret
01:23:06 uh the Matthew 24 ignorantly. Now I can
01:23:10 understand why they interpret it that
01:23:12 way uh because of a lot of the false uh
01:23:16 prophecies based that they claim is
01:23:18 going on is happening. So, I can
01:23:21 understand where they’re coming from,
01:23:23 but it does go against the Greek and
01:23:26 other New Testament passages,
01:23:28 >> right?
01:23:30 >> Um, I I I can I’ll try to remember to
01:23:33 add a link to uh someone else has done a
01:23:36 lot of work on this that I think they
01:23:38 did a very good job on that aspect. I
01:23:40 don’t agree with their timeline, but I
01:23:43 do agree with their work on showing how
01:23:45 it
01:23:46 >> can and ought to be known. Mhm.
01:23:50 >> No, the no the false interpretation of
01:23:54 prophecy of all type of the return of
01:23:57 Israel prophecy is the is what we
01:24:00 currently got going on in the news where
01:24:02 you currently got current state of
01:24:05 Israel and that’s a fulfillment of
01:24:08 prophecy even though they’re actually
01:24:10 causing chaos across the world. Well,
01:24:12 the issue is that this cannot be a
01:24:15 fulfillment of prophecy because Israel
01:24:16 will only be restored when they repent
01:24:20 and return to Torah.
01:24:22 >> Yeah. And they haven’t done that. And I
01:24:23 know this is a big subject, but they uh
01:24:26 follow the oral law, which actually
01:24:28 makes Torah null and void. So,
01:24:31 >> yes, it actually makes Torah absolutely
01:24:34 impossible to live.
01:24:35 >> Yeah. Yes. They have a lot of added laws
01:24:38 which actually
01:24:40 >> Torah states not to add or take away any
01:24:43 laws. Okay.
01:24:45 >> We can get additional understanding but
01:24:48 the law is the same yesterday, today and
01:24:50 tomorrow and eternity I will add.
01:24:53 >> Um
01:24:54 >> but um that’s another big can of words.
01:24:58 We won’t get much of
01:25:00 >> but I but I do think that this is that
01:25:02 it is important
01:25:04 and that people understand
01:25:09 that Yahw knew
01:25:12 that Israel would corrupt themselves.
01:25:16 And he still and it was a he had he had
01:25:19 it factored into his plan and a new
01:25:22 Jerusalem was in the plan from the
01:25:25 beginning of which the old Jerusalem is
01:25:27 a type and shadow.
01:25:30 >> Yeah. Yes. Um
01:25:35 we’ll just leave it at that. I I will
01:25:37 say one thing. Considering that Yahweh
01:25:40 gets to decide who are born and where,
01:25:46 he’s stacking the deck. Although it may
01:25:48 not look like it right now.
01:25:51 >> Mhm.
01:25:53 >> He will win
01:25:55 for if nothing else because he can stack
01:25:57 the deck,
01:25:59 >> right?
01:26:01 Yep.
01:26:01 >> Um he is preparing people for their
01:26:04 parts.
01:26:06 to help with his wondrous, marvelous
01:26:10 work which is about to come forth
01:26:14 >> among the children of men.
01:26:17 >> Yep.
01:26:18 >> Glorious. And I’m looking forward to it
01:26:20 for many reasons.
01:26:21 >> Yes.
01:26:22 >> Um if nothing else, because I’m sick of
01:26:25 this world.
01:26:26 >> Oh my gosh.
01:26:27 >> I am. And when he says he’s sick of this
01:26:29 world, he’s talking about how he’s sick
01:26:31 of the system. But yeah, nothing. I I I
01:26:36 actually do want to be alive,
01:26:38 >> but this system and all the problems
01:26:40 with all the various things that are
01:26:42 going on in the system that was built to
01:26:44 be
01:26:46 uh a problem actually.
01:26:49 >> Y
01:26:49 >> causing more and more problems today.
01:26:51 >> Yeah. It just needs to be done away
01:26:53 with. Yes.
01:26:55 >> Yeah. It can’t it it’s to the point
01:26:57 where it can’t be fixed. It has to be
01:26:59 reset.
01:27:00 >> Yeah. Um um
01:27:02 >> which which according to some
01:27:06 >> and so I would say don’t put your trust
01:27:08 in politicians.
01:27:09 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:27:10 >> Don’t put your trust in a nation state.
01:27:14 >> No.
01:27:14 >> Don’t put your trust in the things of
01:27:16 mammon.
01:27:18 >> Put your trust in Yahweh.
01:27:19 >> No.
01:27:20 >> And his now about the Now about the
01:27:24 whole uh political reform resetting. No,
01:27:28 >> Johnny. Your dad just shot that down.
01:27:30 >> No, no,
01:27:32 >> just shot that down. Don’t
01:27:33 >> We’re done. I’ll drop it. I’ll drop it.
01:27:35 >> Okay. Anyways, uh so uh just in closing,
01:27:39 this generation is when things start and
01:27:42 you’ll uh a careful analysis especi
01:27:48 shows that
01:27:50 >> uh Matthew 24 and Mark 13.
01:27:55 Uh I don’t think you can get this
01:27:58 without the new translation. Um but
01:28:03 um it hasn’t happened as it is in the
01:28:06 King James. So there’s a problem there
01:28:08 too. Um if you read it without the New
01:28:12 Translation.
01:28:13 >> So the problem that people claims in the
01:28:16 DNC is also in the New Testament.
01:28:19 >> Mhm. Um, but when you do a careful
01:28:22 reading of the DNC, it’s actually not
01:28:25 there. And when you use the new
01:28:27 translation,
01:28:28 uh, Joseph Smith is restoring things
01:28:31 that makes Yeshua’s words true and
01:28:35 >> can be trusted and kept.
01:28:38 >> Yeah.
01:28:40 >> So, does anybody else want to add
01:28:41 anything?
01:28:42 >> No, that is that is great.
01:28:45 >> Okay,
01:28:46 >> that’s sign off.
01:28:48 Yeah, I just got to figure how to do it
01:28:49 because they hate these stupid buttons.