Scripture Study 2020-07-19

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Talk about the Tabernacle, Polar Configuration, PaRDeS (levers of meaning in the scriptures), Tithing, wearing masks, 2012 Lodon opening, Word of Wisdom, Pagan Holidays, Inspiration vs Revelation, Torah, Sabbath laws.

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00:00:00 computer okay so
00:00:04 um what do you want to share no i would
00:00:06 say
00:00:08 i was sent a video by bruce gilbert
00:00:12 and it is on the sacred
00:00:18 symbols it’s the significance of the
00:00:21 sacred
00:00:22 symbols of the tabernacle of moses
00:00:26 okay you have a link to that
00:00:29 i sent it to you oh the
00:00:32 video right before last one um
00:00:36 right okay because i’m going to put it
00:00:39 in the end
00:00:40 comment okay
00:00:43 okay so i
00:00:48 um tried to watch this
00:00:51 and i couldn’t even get to the link
00:00:54 several times i had a lot of opposition
00:00:56 getting there
00:00:58 then my husband and i were watching it
00:01:01 and we only made it
00:01:02 through to the 12th minute
00:01:05 and then the computer just shut
00:01:08 itself completely off okay
00:01:12 so i didn’t even get to finish it
00:01:16 but as i was looking
00:01:20 at his diaphragm of the
00:01:23 tabernacle and personally i like
00:01:28 um another um model
00:01:31 of the tabernacle that i’ve seen by rob
00:01:34 skiba
00:01:35 that it’s round i
00:01:38 i’m aware of that model i don’t believe
00:01:42 i i don’t believe it it’s wow
00:01:45 a lot of people use it to prove the flat
00:01:48 earth
00:01:49 theory and i just i don’t leave the
00:01:52 scriptures
00:01:53 well i and i believe there are two ways
00:01:59 i believe there are two ways one it was
00:02:02 the tent
00:02:03 and um everything
00:02:07 that god does it’s a representation
00:02:12 or symbolic of
00:02:16 the earth and the heaven
00:02:20 and so i like the wound i would just
00:02:24 calm it’s not hear me hear me out
00:02:27 okay okay it’s not about
00:02:31 flat earth versus um
00:02:35 what nasa lies to us about but
00:02:39 i do believe in
00:02:43 that he is above us
00:02:47 and that we are encased in something
00:02:52 okay that we are protected
00:02:56 and he says that the earth will be
00:02:59 rolled
00:02:59 as a scroll sure um
00:03:02 we have we probably have a different
00:03:04 idea of the imagery that that portrays
00:03:07 though because i think that has that
00:03:10 reference specifically has to do with
00:03:12 the second coming
00:03:14 not right yes right anyways um and i
00:03:18 believe
00:03:19 as you know i believe in the polar
00:03:21 configuration there’s going to be a
00:03:22 planet
00:03:23 coming and when planets come together
00:03:27 the poles move when the poles move
00:03:30 it’s going to when you look on the side
00:03:32 it’s going to look like a scroll
00:03:34 because the jews scroll rolled there’s
00:03:38 a taurus girl when you look at the side
00:03:41 to me it looks like two planets but
00:03:43 anyways there’s multiple ways to look at
00:03:46 that
00:03:46 statement um okay i will agree with you
00:03:51 now if we are in an enclosed
00:03:54 situation the same thing can happen
00:03:59 the planet can come
00:04:02 and it can hit the earth
00:04:06 it can god can all of a sudden
00:04:12 spread
00:04:14 roll it up or from one end to the other
00:04:18 roll it up and all of a sudden
00:04:21 everybody is seeing them the poles
00:04:26 can be shifted even
00:04:29 on a i don’t believe
00:04:33 in flat earth but i believe
00:04:37 that more of a dish shape
00:04:41 a dish yeah um
00:04:44 it it’s like all right
00:04:47 more work the main point is
00:04:50 okay but it’s covered
00:04:53 so the match is the shape of the earth
00:04:56 because we
00:04:56 we definitely disagree and i mean right
00:05:00 the dish earth really does not make
00:05:02 sense how i cannot see the north star
00:05:04 but anyways that’s not the main subject
00:05:07 let’s go to the main part of the subject
00:05:08 you want
00:05:12 [Music]
00:05:14 i see all of
00:05:17 the primes and their
00:05:21 colors and their cloth that they were to
00:05:24 put
00:05:25 for the tent
00:05:28 i’ve seen two models i’ve seen
00:05:31 the round one and i’ve seen the
00:05:35 rectangle yeah the rectangles so
00:05:38 my mind is open okay the lord hasn’t
00:05:41 told me
00:05:42 either way well there may be another way
00:05:46 for all i know i don’t know but i’m not
00:05:56 myself but it’s not something i’ve
00:05:59 studied a lot i’ll be honest um okay
00:06:02 well i have studied by looking at
00:06:05 different
00:06:06 um
00:06:07 [Music]
00:06:11 they had engravings
00:06:16 on rocks
00:06:33 the history
00:06:37 of other cultures and their perspective
00:06:41 of what they think you know the earth
00:06:45 looks and they’re drawings
00:06:50 on rocks and stuff
00:06:53 and so i’m more open-minded
00:06:56 that this is it and so until he does
00:07:00 i can’t say back to the tabernacle bruce
00:07:04 uses the model of the rectangle
00:07:07 as i was looking to the north to east
00:07:12 the west
00:07:16 he shows the
00:07:20 outer court we’re gonna do one that
00:07:23 works sorry
00:07:28 that’s okay
00:07:38 so there’s an outer court
00:07:42 and there’s an inner court right
00:07:46 okay in the outer court there are
00:07:50 certain um things
00:07:54 and i can’t remember all of it but
00:07:57 um and i and i didn’t write it down
00:08:02 you know my mind um that’s fine just a
00:08:04 little tidbit for you
00:08:06 when um nephi’s going to go get the
00:08:08 plates
00:08:11 and after the angel came
00:08:14 right and when the lot
00:08:17 they cost cast a lot and then they
00:08:20 went and did all their money and then
00:08:22 nephi went on his own
00:08:24 the time when he went on his own to me
00:08:27 i see patterns of the tabernacle slash
00:08:30 temple
00:08:31 in that narrative
00:08:35 anyways just i just thought i’d throw
00:08:36 that in since we’re talking
00:08:38 about it okay that went over my head
00:08:41 right now
00:08:43 inner and outer chords and anyways it’s
00:08:47 to me it’s one of the deeper meanings of
00:08:49 those passages
00:08:51 um i i don’t know if i’ve talked about
00:08:53 this with you before but
00:08:55 do you know of the concept called padres
00:08:59 yes yeah well i see that there
00:09:05 okay so we were talking about the outer
00:09:07 court are you saying
00:09:08 that it’s the individual’s
00:09:12 journey alone well i i didn’t
00:09:15 have like in a while but one of it
00:09:19 when they came to jerusalem
00:09:22 they couldn’t go any further so there
00:09:25 was
00:09:26 stages i’d have to go look at the verses
00:09:29 again because it’s been a long time
00:09:32 so we could focus on what you’re doing
00:09:36 and then we can go
00:09:37 read that or talk about some other stuff
00:09:40 okay all right so
00:09:44 anyway there’s the altar
00:09:47 of instance there’s the showbread
00:09:50 um there’s the place where you wash
00:09:55 your baptism right yup
00:09:58 um well that was just for the priests
00:10:02 that wasn’t just anybody’s baptism that
00:10:05 was
00:10:05 only the priests were baptized there
00:10:08 and it was just washings and it was not
00:10:10 just baptisms that
00:10:11 from my understanding and this is
00:10:13 something i need to get more into
00:10:15 it was washington before they did their
00:10:17 um
00:10:18 before they did the sacrifices
00:10:24 okay but i do believe it represents
00:10:26 baptism
00:10:28 but i don’t think they were actually
00:10:29 immersed there so i don’t think it was
00:10:31 an actual
00:10:32 baptism it was just some cleansings to
00:10:34 do the sacrifices
00:10:37 so this is something i need better
00:10:39 understanding on from what i
00:10:41 studied they would get
00:10:45 um like before the jerusalem temple
00:10:48 they had a big basin and
00:10:52 they would have to get in it and
00:10:54 completely emerge
00:10:57 before they could go further in the
00:10:59 outer court
00:11:00 um that could be and this is something i
00:11:03 need to study more
00:11:04 um so i from my understanding don’t but
00:11:08 i like i said i need to study it more
00:11:10 it’s there’s a lot of subjects i need to
00:11:12 study more
00:11:15 okay well anyway these four things that
00:11:19 stood out and then he
00:11:23 put scriptures in the middle of you know
00:11:28 after he shows
00:11:29 the picture and then um
00:11:34 puts a scripture and then he shows
00:11:38 the tabernacle again like i said
00:11:42 we had a lot of opposition so
00:11:45 this is all that i was able to
00:11:50 write down john
00:11:54 1 first john
00:11:58 is it john one father one john
00:12:05 okay john
00:12:10 um i’m trying to find it
00:12:14 or is it matthew i think it’s matthew
00:12:17 five
00:12:18 uh matthew anyway
00:12:22 um is that what you want
00:12:27 i don’t know let me see okay
00:12:40 no that’s not the one okay
00:12:44 so
00:12:47 where is nicodemus that was
00:12:51 john
00:12:56 [Music]
00:13:02 let me turn to john
00:13:06 john 5. he’s saying
00:13:08 [Music]
00:13:12 okay that was one
00:13:16 okay that was one
00:13:20 that was um that he pointed out
00:13:24 okay nicodemus
00:13:27 is john three okay so
00:13:32 back to the there was
00:13:35 showbread there was um
00:13:40 a budding staff a staff of aaron
00:13:44 that budded that was in
00:13:47 the holy of holies in the ark
00:13:50 okay so out out in the
00:13:54 car okay out in the outer
00:13:58 is the washing the showbread the altar
00:14:01 events
00:14:02 um the the showbird and altar of incense
00:14:04 is
00:14:05 in the holies it’s not in that
00:14:08 outer court
00:14:10 [Music]
00:14:12 in an altar what is and
00:14:16 what is in the outer court i was trying
00:14:20 to remember
00:14:21 so i’m just going off of my vague memory
00:14:24 because i haven’t gone and watched the
00:14:25 video or
00:14:26 studied it recently but the basin and an
00:14:29 altar is in the outer court
00:14:33 um a basin
00:14:37 and what you broke up an altar
00:14:40 where they did the actual sacrifices
00:14:50 but the um
00:14:53 showbread and the incense was in
00:15:03 you can’t hear me you’re breaking up
00:15:07 [Music]
00:15:08 um let’s see
00:15:12 let me uh let me see if it’s my internet
00:15:15 or yours
00:15:17 you gotta hold this i don’t know there’s
00:15:20 some
00:15:20 home and we’re all on cable
00:15:24 uh we’re all on the same internet
00:15:27 company here well i i’m just
00:15:31 going to another site and it’s working
00:15:33 fine so
00:15:35 my guess is it’s your internet right now
00:15:37 which is
00:15:38 always the case but i think it’s the
00:15:40 case right now
00:15:42 yeah well we have this
00:15:45 internet that we had at the other place
00:15:50 and my neighbor works at
00:15:53 the uh in that county
00:15:56 so everybody else in this apartment
00:16:00 complex
00:16:01 is on the same internet
00:16:04 that’s so it’s um
00:16:07 i guess a lot of people are getting
00:16:08 online right now and maybe playing their
00:16:10 games
00:16:11 right anyways got home
00:16:14 yes sure so
00:16:18 anyway back to the outer
00:16:21 all right when i was seeing these things
00:16:24 are placed in the north the east the
00:16:27 south
00:16:28 the west okay
00:16:31 i immediately thought whatever was
00:16:34 in the north um
00:16:39 i don’t know if it was the altar of
00:16:42 innocence
00:16:45 i can remember the actual tabernacle or
00:16:51 i think the showbread was
00:16:54 in um the south
00:16:59 i i don’t know but immediately i got to
00:17:02 thinking
00:17:03 and n stands for being in tune with him
00:17:07 well represents the the prayers
00:17:11 in fact the smoke going up is like our
00:17:13 prayers going up to god
00:17:15 so see the altar of incense was placed
00:17:19 in the north so
00:17:23 when we pray
00:17:28 we want to be in tune with him that’s
00:17:31 the whole
00:17:32 purpose of crying out to him
00:17:35 just right you want an answer you got to
00:17:37 be in tune to hear it
00:17:40 right hey bri i’m going to pause one
00:17:43 second okay
00:17:44 one one second okay i’m back sorry about
00:17:48 that
00:17:50 okay so the east
00:17:55 that was the entrance and there was
00:17:58 something
00:18:00 placed on the east i can’t remember what
00:18:02 it was
00:18:03 but it made me think i on
00:18:06 him we are to focus on him
00:18:10 in all things okay sure
00:18:13 then the south is the sun
00:18:18 speaking to our spirit
00:18:22 what the sun speaking to our spirits
00:18:24 that’s a
00:18:26 yeah no so god come
00:18:29 down as the son jesus christ
00:18:34 he is so you’re not are you talking
00:18:35 about our spirit
00:18:38 like it that’s in the sky and gives the
00:18:40 earth light or
00:18:42 sun is the son of god the son of god
00:18:45 okay stephen sorry
00:18:49 yeah okay
00:18:52 so the son is speaking
00:18:56 to our spirit okay we’re receiving
00:19:00 truth okay
00:19:03 then the west is the walk
00:19:08 after
00:19:13 how do you get that for the south
00:19:16 this south whatever was there was
00:19:19 reminding
00:19:20 me of it was
00:19:24 something to do with spirit
00:19:28 okay um okay all right
00:19:31 the spirit sanctifies us
00:19:36 okay
00:19:42 i lost you for like 15 seconds
00:19:46 okay because of jesus coming down doing
00:19:50 his work
00:19:52 he made a way for us to be sanctified
00:19:58 okay sure yeah
00:20:01 so it was like this s
00:20:04 south was just you know all these things
00:20:08 were coming to my mind
00:20:10 is what i’m saying okay okay you don’t
00:20:12 remember all the details you just
00:20:14 remember kind of
00:20:15 the general feeling that you you had
00:20:18 right and the spiritual realm that he
00:20:21 wants us
00:20:23 to connect to
00:20:26 all right okay then the w
00:20:30 whatever was there was
00:20:34 reminding me he holds my hand he walks
00:20:39 with me he wants us to walk
00:20:43 in the truth
00:20:46 that he has spoken to our spirit
00:20:51 okay okay so now
00:20:55 um bruce he puts the law of gospel
00:21:00 is controlling our inner
00:21:04 thoughts and feelings
00:21:08 okay okay
00:21:12 i never looked at it that way it was
00:21:15 like
00:21:16 all right because you
00:21:20 you don’t want to judge
00:21:24 anxiously you want to
00:21:27 identify you know the problem you want
00:21:31 to identify the behavior
00:21:33 you want to identify what the enemy is
00:21:36 trying to do
00:21:39 but you don’t want to condemn
00:21:44 because the lord
00:21:47 it says in john that god
00:21:50 loved the world and he sent his son
00:21:54 not to condemn us
00:21:57 right but to
00:22:00 save us
00:22:03 that we are saved through him
00:22:06 right right um okay
00:22:10 so then
00:22:13 something he said and then it was
00:22:17 like justification but we could not be
00:22:20 justified we could not have
00:22:24 that without jesus
00:22:30 uh so we’re justified
00:22:33 we’re actually justified by the law
00:22:39 we are sanctified by jesus
00:22:42 um yes yes so i mean they’re slightly
00:22:46 different from each other but we’re
00:22:50 justified by the law we’re sanctified by
00:22:52 the blood
00:22:53 or by yeshua
00:22:56 okay but he is the law
00:23:00 giver and he gives us his commandments
00:23:04 that he wants us to walk in
00:23:08 the gift that he’s giving us
00:23:11 which is called present
00:23:14 that means the moment of now that you’re
00:23:18 breathing in
00:23:19 true right okay
00:23:22 so aware of that english um
00:23:26 um what’s the word i’m looking for but
00:23:31 connection i guess for lack of a better
00:23:34 word
00:23:36 okay so um he goes on
00:23:41 and he says that in hebrew
00:23:46 i remember this one hebrew 10.
00:23:53 that really stuck out you know what
00:23:57 verse
00:24:02 16.
00:24:08 16-22
00:24:11 and he says this is the covenant that i
00:24:14 make with them after those days
00:24:18 saith the lord i will put my
00:24:21 laws into their hearts
00:24:25 and in their minds will i write them
00:24:28 and their sins and iniquities will
00:24:32 i remember no more
00:24:35 so he’s telling me to
00:24:38 go to
00:24:41 um the um
00:24:48 verse 10 for some reason okay i’m gonna
00:24:51 go up here
00:24:53 okay he says by the witch will
00:24:56 we are sanctified through the offering
00:24:59 of the body
00:25:00 of jesus christ once for all
00:25:05 and every priest standeth
00:25:08 daily ministering and offering
00:25:11 oft times the same sacrifice
00:25:15 which can ever take away sin
00:25:19 but this man after he had offered one
00:25:22 sacrifice for sins
00:25:24 forever sat down on the right hand
00:25:28 of god from henceforth
00:25:31 expecting till his enemies be made
00:25:34 his foot for by one
00:25:38 of them he has perfected
00:25:41 for every night forever them
00:25:44 that are safe to fight
00:25:47 whereof the holy ghost also
00:25:51 is a witness to us for after that
00:25:54 he had said before
00:25:58 this is the covenant that i will make
00:26:02 with them
00:26:03 after those days saith the lord
00:26:07 i will put my laws into their hearts
00:26:10 and in their mind will i write
00:26:13 them and in their sins
00:26:17 and iniquities and their sins and
00:26:20 iniquities will i remember
00:26:22 no more now where remission
00:26:26 of these these is
00:26:30 there is no more offering
00:26:33 for sin having therefore brethren
00:26:38 boldness to enter into the
00:26:41 holiest by the blood of jesus
00:26:46 by a new and living
00:26:49 way which he hath consecrated
00:26:53 for us through the veil
00:26:57 that is to say his flesh
00:27:02 and having an high priest
00:27:06 over the house of god
00:27:10 let us draw near with a
00:27:13 true heart in full
00:27:17 question of faith having our
00:27:21 hearts sprinkled
00:27:24 from an evil conscience
00:27:28 and our bodies washed
00:27:31 with pure water
00:27:36 okay so
00:27:39 after that
00:27:42 this is the new covenant
00:27:46 this is
00:27:56 this is a sticking point for me but
00:27:59 it’s renewed covenant in today’s
00:28:02 language
00:28:03 i mean you can even look at new back in
00:28:06 1828 it means
00:28:08 renew as right he tried to do
00:28:12 this okay try to do this
00:28:16 with the israelites but they got caught
00:28:19 up
00:28:20 with the rituals the ordinances okay
00:28:23 correct today
00:28:26 the christians get brought up in the
00:28:28 rituals um anyways
00:28:30 there yes there’s the same problem
00:28:34 it he always wanted it in our hearts and
00:28:37 our mind
00:28:38 that is not nothing anything new i mean
00:28:41 it’s in the psalms it’s
00:28:43 very clearly in the book of mormon
00:28:46 because he got
00:28:47 because nephi got it from the psalms
00:28:50 and from yahweh right right
00:28:55 well he was the one teaching nephi right
00:28:58 right i
00:28:58 agree on that i’m just i’m just trying
00:29:01 to make it clear that it’s
00:29:03 not a new covenant it’s a renewed
00:29:06 covenant it’s the same covenant it even
00:29:09 has the same
00:29:10 laws he’s just
00:29:14 he’s offered the same purpose yes
00:29:18 okay it was the same invitation
00:29:21 it was the same association and
00:29:23 relationship that he was offering the
00:29:25 israelites
00:29:27 but they never got it and that’s what we
00:29:30 learned
00:29:31 in jacob that they missed
00:29:34 the mark not only did the israelites
00:29:38 miss the mark
00:29:39 but the jews missed the mark now today
00:29:43 we mostly pretty much everybody is
00:29:46 the mark i mean it’s that’s what i’m
00:29:48 trying to say
00:29:50 it’s not just the israelites it’s people
00:29:53 today miss
00:29:54 the mark i just said that you’re right
00:29:57 i know i’m just emphasizing it it’s just
00:30:01 for me it’s an annoyance that people
00:30:03 just think that the jews just don’t know
00:30:06 what they’re talking about
00:30:07 they just criticize the jews and us
00:30:10 christians just know what we’re talking
00:30:11 about
00:30:12 and for the most part they don’t
00:30:15 well the jews today are fake jews
00:30:20 they’re not the real jews uh not all
00:30:23 jews
00:30:23 but a lot of jews and i i know what
00:30:26 you’re referring to
00:30:27 um we have the pharisees
00:30:30 today well i yes
00:30:34 today’s orthodox jews are the pharisees
00:30:36 which jesus chewed out
00:30:38 in the new testament that’s right i
00:30:40 wouldn’t necessarily call
00:30:41 them fake jews but i do know that there
00:30:44 are
00:30:45 fake jews
00:30:55 from these rocks this is i’m quoting
00:30:58 not a direct quote but i’m quoting jesus
00:31:00 from these
00:31:01 rocks will make children of israel
00:31:05 and rocks from these revelations
00:31:09 those who follow these revelations i
00:31:11 give i will make people
00:31:13 children of abraham
00:31:17 right right but
00:31:20 when you check this
00:31:24 look when you check the history
00:31:28 it wasn’t god are you okay
00:31:33 i swallowed wrong yeah it went down the
00:31:37 wrong track
00:31:40 are you okay
00:31:43 pause it
00:31:47 okay as the history goes
00:31:51 far as the history goes it’s not god
00:31:56 that directed the jews over
00:32:00 to jerusalem they still
00:32:04 have not been
00:32:07 gathered by the lord okay
00:32:10 he does that gathering a majority there
00:32:12 are jews that are
00:32:14 beginning to accept um yeshua is their
00:32:18 savior um but
00:32:22 percentage-wise it’s a small percentage
00:32:24 for sure
00:32:25 but exactly um
00:32:30 there’s a couple issues here but
00:32:31 considering
00:32:34 what christians claim that jesus
00:32:37 taught i don’t blame the jews for not
00:32:41 believing in yeshua because i know
00:32:45 they know their bible they know it
00:32:48 better than us
00:32:50 oh i have a visitor hold on one minute
00:32:54 okay so okay
00:32:57 actually i can’t forget what i was
00:32:59 saying um
00:33:01 could you remind me a little bit very
00:33:05 okay we were talking about cabinet
00:33:10 being renewed right
00:33:14 and that individual missing mark
00:33:18 and then i’m talking about
00:33:21 how god is doing the gathering
00:33:24 not man to
00:33:27 the promise
00:33:30 i mean to the um
00:33:35 to the jews yeah um so
00:33:38 i think i was going and starting to say
00:33:41 that i i don’t blame
00:33:43 the jews for not believing the
00:33:45 christians
00:33:46 because the jews know their bible
00:33:50 um oh yeah they know it better than the
00:33:53 christians
00:33:54 oh yeah completely the jews have their
00:33:56 own problems
00:33:57 but what the general christian
00:34:01 claims that jesus taught is completely
00:34:04 wrong
00:34:06 and the jews know that and so i don’t
00:34:09 blame the jews for not believing what
00:34:11 the christians
00:34:12 teach because i’ll tell you i don’t
00:34:16 believe the christians
00:34:17 i don’t claim the title christian
00:34:19 anymore and i haven’t i mean i’m okay
00:34:21 with it but i’d rather not use it
00:34:23 because i know for the most part
00:34:24 christians don’t know their
00:34:26 their bible they don’t know the
00:34:28 scriptures for the most part
00:34:31 they’re pakins and they don’t even know
00:34:33 it because they
00:34:34 do all these pagan rituals and they
00:34:37 don’t even know it
00:34:39 and they don’t care to find out because
00:34:41 they’re so
00:34:43 content to just hear their sermon from
00:34:46 their preacher
00:34:47 once a week and that’s all they do to
00:34:49 worship god
00:34:51 and that’s completely wrong right
00:34:55 and and so when a christian tries to
00:34:57 convert a jew
00:34:58 although the jews have their own
00:35:00 problems
00:35:02 they know what the christians are saying
00:35:04 is wrong
00:35:08 it’s strong and so i i don’t blame for
00:35:12 the jews for not
00:35:13 believing and what the christians say
00:35:16 because what the christians that’s why
00:35:19 the other books
00:35:20 have to come forth to convince
00:35:24 them that jesus is the christ
00:35:28 well i think there’s
00:35:31 other issues on top of that i think
00:35:34 those other books will help
00:35:36 but there’s other underlining issues
00:35:40 in my mind um but i mean they have the
00:35:43 book of mormon
00:35:44 um but they don’t take it seriously but
00:35:48 i’ll i don’t think lds sites take it
00:35:50 seriously either
00:35:51 to be honest um
00:35:56 and read it i see things a lot different
00:35:59 than what is taught
00:36:00 in the lds church a lot different
00:36:04 um but um
00:36:10 if they would actually read the book and
00:36:12 not consider
00:36:14 what people teach that claim to believe
00:36:16 in it it’s a whole different story and i
00:36:18 think they would
00:36:21 believe it more if they just forgot what
00:36:23 people claimed about it
00:36:26 but when you’re busy with life
00:36:31 and you have so many things you want to
00:36:33 do already
00:36:35 why would you read a book from a person
00:36:37 that recommends it that you know this
00:36:39 person has no idea what they’re talking
00:36:41 about you wouldn’t
00:36:42 because you would just think the book
00:36:43 doesn’t know what it’s talking about
00:36:46 either because the person who’s
00:36:48 suggesting you to you doesn’t know it so
00:36:51 why would you think the book would be
00:36:52 any better
00:36:56 and so it’s i i see somewhat of a
00:37:00 a problem of who’s recommending it and a
00:37:03 problem
00:37:03 of time i i mean
00:37:09 i have time issues uh priority issues
00:37:12 there’s no i can’t get everything i want
00:37:14 to do myself i
00:37:15 i see how other people have that same
00:37:17 problem
00:37:21 in fact there’s a verse from lectures on
00:37:24 faith that i think
00:37:25 applies i don’t think it’s just
00:37:27 stretched but
00:37:28 i’ll read it real quick
00:37:32 oh you did very good very good
00:37:36 so elixir is on phase 2 verse 56
00:37:39 this is kind of a frame favorite verse
00:37:42 for me
00:37:43 out of lectures on faith
00:37:48 but real quick in summary it says that
00:37:51 they
00:37:55 decided to look into the gospel more
00:37:59 because of the
00:38:04 person who was teaching it
00:38:07 so their their personality their
00:38:09 credibility
00:38:11 who they are um
00:38:15 they they saw that the person who’s
00:38:17 suggesting that it guides
00:38:18 the mind is that the one
00:38:22 that it excites the mind because of
00:38:24 their testimony
00:38:25 right so i’ll read the verse we have now
00:38:28 clearly set
00:38:29 forth how it is and how it was
00:38:32 that god became an object of faith for
00:38:35 rational beings
00:38:36 and also upon the foundation the
00:38:38 testimony was based
00:38:40 which excited the inquiry and the
00:38:44 diligent search of the ancient saints
00:38:48 to seek after and obtaining a knowledge
00:38:50 of the glory of god
00:38:52 and we have seen that it was human
00:38:55 testimony
00:38:57 and human testimony only that excited
00:39:00 this inquiry so
00:39:02 it was because of your friend or someone
00:39:05 you met on the street or whatever
00:39:06 that made you should relate to saw their
00:39:09 mind and their heart being aligned
00:39:12 right what they teaching
00:39:15 and in the first instance their minds it
00:39:18 was the
00:39:19 credence that they gave uh
00:39:24 let me pause one second sorry
00:39:28 all right let me get it back up and we
00:39:31 have seen as human testimony
00:39:34 testimony only the excited the inquiry
00:39:37 in the first instance to their minds it
00:39:39 was the credence
00:39:41 that they gave their testimonies
00:39:47 this toast so if you’re going out and
00:39:50 saying one thing and doing another
00:39:53 that’s why that’s what i had a problem
00:39:54 with in
00:39:56 church with the lds presidents everybody
00:39:58 was you know they’re holy men
00:40:00 and i’m like then why
00:40:04 are they living in the world
00:40:07 and they are a part of world
00:40:10 and they are living in toms
00:40:14 they are not
00:40:18 doing as the lord said where i will
00:40:21 provide for you
00:40:23 don’t go it says go without purse
00:40:26 without script i will take care of your
00:40:29 clothing i will take care of your
00:40:31 show okay the the the lds 12
00:40:34 i it was like wait a minute what you
00:40:37 were coming out of now
00:40:39 is not what you’re living oh
00:40:42 the the 12 of the eldest church is not
00:40:45 living
00:40:46 the standard that’s in the scriptures
00:40:49 including the dnc
00:40:51 and the book of mormon and you can’t
00:40:54 blame well look at inflation on the last
00:40:58 two book of mormon and dnc
00:41:00 they’re just completely ignoring it look
00:41:03 at
00:41:04 look at what is happening with the virus
00:41:07 alone
00:41:07 oh they are telling this where the mass
00:41:12 do that they are not teaching the saints
00:41:15 hey
00:41:16 now is the time you know those gifts
00:41:19 that you got from the lord the spirit
00:41:24 those gifts of the spirit this is the
00:41:27 time for you to use
00:41:29 them to edify to heal
00:41:32 to bless one another
00:41:36 no they’re teaching oh you got to wear
00:41:39 the mask
00:41:40 you don’t want to spread the disease
00:41:43 they’re spreading
00:41:44 fear instead of spreading
00:41:47 faith oh yeah yeah they’re they’re
00:41:50 completely going with the current
00:41:52 agenda i i don’t know paul
00:41:56 telling his people if there is a virus
00:41:59 around put your mask on
00:42:01 i honestly cannot read my beware of good
00:42:04 friday
00:42:05 post but yes yes call out
00:42:08 nelson for not using the supposed gifts
00:42:11 that he claims to have
00:42:13 yeah there’s the opportunity
00:42:17 oh and then on top of that they called
00:42:22 missionaries back who supported me
00:42:25 have the priesthood power to heal people
00:42:28 and the crowds
00:42:32 that needs people to heal them they call
00:42:35 them home
00:42:36 what a bunch of
00:42:40 i was like what’s going on here
00:42:43 you have opportunity oh it’s
00:42:46 it’s because they don’t have what they
00:42:48 claim but we both know that
00:42:51 i’m aware of it i’m aware of it more and
00:42:53 more
00:42:54 just a whole other example of why i mean
00:42:58 i mean other traditions the ten healings
00:43:02 that happen
00:43:03 there are there’s such lies sorry
00:43:06 but if they’re really healing people why
00:43:09 are they going to the hospitals
00:43:14 these preachers that are supposedly
00:43:15 healing people are wearing these
00:43:17 expensive clothes
00:43:20 right right it’s all about the money and
00:43:24 what did we learn
00:43:26 the last time that you and i had studied
00:43:29 with
00:43:30 the downfall of the church in the norm
00:43:33 has always been
00:43:35 of wearing costly apparel it begins
00:43:38 there
00:43:43 as in second nephi 28 and
00:43:46 i don’t remember the exact verse but
00:43:48 it’s around the 13 or so
00:43:51 but they’re robbing the poor i
00:43:55 man i i just read
00:43:59 uh in mosiah 11
00:44:02 let me get the first but it really stuck
00:44:05 out to me
00:44:06 this time um
00:44:16 here we go mosiah 11 3-4
00:44:21 and he laid attacks of one-fifth apart
00:44:23 of all they possessed
00:44:25 a fifth part of their gold their silver
00:44:27 the fifth part of their
00:44:28 zif and their copper and their brass and
00:44:30 their iron and the fifth part of their
00:44:32 fatlings and also the fifth part of all
00:44:35 that
00:44:36 and this they did to support himself
00:44:39 and his wives and attacks his wines and
00:44:41 his wives and comp
00:44:43 compubinds thus he has changed the
00:44:46 affairs of the kingdom
00:44:48 i and you know what today
00:44:52 there’s been more than fifth
00:44:56 because we want to have a tithing our
00:44:58 kids
00:44:59 we’re supposed to be hiding each
00:45:02 paycheck
00:45:03 and it’s supposed to be beyond the gross
00:45:06 yeah that verse is bringing out
00:45:10 how king noah is charging them
00:45:13 on growth like everything yeah
00:45:18 their other their surplus incorrectly
00:45:22 but
00:45:22 all their other assets they’re he’s just
00:45:25 charging them on everything that they
00:45:27 have
00:45:28 and they didn’t take care of the poor
00:45:30 but they did it to take care of
00:45:31 themselves
00:45:32 which is what brigham young did and what
00:45:34 the lds church
00:45:35 currently is doing because they’re not
00:45:38 compare the poor
00:45:39 they have a 123 billion
00:45:42 million dollars in cash
00:45:47 and that’s not counting all the other
00:45:50 accounts that they have this is just a
00:45:52 cash account
00:45:53 and they currently are denying
00:45:56 faithful members to pay tithing all
00:45:58 their life help
00:46:01 because they can’t in africa
00:46:04 they’re they are reporting
00:46:07 um
00:46:11 we hate
00:46:17 nelson abraham only paid
00:46:21 tithing annually
00:46:24 because it was his surplus
00:46:28 it was because god had blessed him
00:46:31 beyond his need well fyi
00:46:36 i know what you’re referring to is jst
00:46:38 genesis 14
00:46:39 and in that case he’s paying off his
00:46:42 surplus
00:46:43 but there are other times when
00:46:47 abraham paid ties off of everything but
00:46:50 that was off the spoils of
00:46:51 war that’s a different circumstance so
00:46:55 they’re that’s different that’s a little
00:46:57 different
00:46:58 but the case that i think you’re
00:47:00 referring to is the one in jace
00:47:02 jst genesis 14 where he’s talking about
00:47:04 him
00:47:05 according to his surplus so but
00:47:09 you said only and that’s
00:47:12 it yeah i’m just i’m just correcting
00:47:15 me i’m being i’m being anal
00:47:19 that’s just how i am yeah
00:47:22 i i just tried very carefully
00:47:27 but um
00:47:30 nelson back to what i was saying nelson
00:47:32 went around
00:47:33 the world and in africa he said though
00:47:36 people are poor
00:47:37 because they’re not paying their tithing
00:47:39 that’s no
00:47:41 i know 35 brings out how
00:47:45 the the people uh from alma
00:47:48 31 through 34 when they converted
00:47:52 they were poor and how did the believers
00:47:55 help them in alma 35
00:47:58 the believers gave them land to help
00:48:01 them not
00:48:02 they didn’t say pay your tithing they
00:48:04 said here right give you
00:48:06 land and i’ll help you hold on one
00:48:09 minute
00:48:11 so nelson
00:48:14 is contradicting the book of mormon
00:48:16 allah 35
00:48:18 the believers gave
00:48:22 land to the poor to help them stop being
00:48:24 poor
00:48:26 the elders church owns tons of land in
00:48:28 fact
00:48:29 they’re a major landowner in florida i
00:48:32 think three percent i don’t know i can’t
00:48:34 remember
00:48:35 they should be giving that land to the
00:48:37 poor especially right now
00:48:39 where they’re having problems
00:48:42 can you picture alma
00:48:46 an amulet going and giving a picture of
00:48:51 themselves to the poor
00:48:53 just saying we brought you a gift uh
00:48:56 well nelson didn’t actually do that to
00:48:58 the poor
00:48:59 he he did that exactly
00:49:03 nelson did do that
00:49:07 to a very family that he
00:49:10 and his wife sat down on the only place
00:49:14 that that family had
00:49:16 she offered them and he says
00:49:19 i brought you a gift are you serious
00:49:23 pulls out a picture of the presidency
00:49:30 um if you have a link to that i’d love
00:49:35 to have that i would have to
00:49:39 hunt okay well if you could where it was
00:49:42 but it was
00:49:43 on the world news
00:49:46 you know that they do for conference
00:49:49 and they were showing nelson in
00:49:53 akka and i was watching this
00:49:58 member and i was like
00:50:01 of all the gifts who could i have again
00:50:05 this sister
00:50:08 the shack that they were living in
00:50:12 and you bring them an image
00:50:15 of yourself yeah it
00:50:19 nelson i was just blown away
00:50:22 no i i cried because it was like he had
00:50:26 that
00:50:27 opportunity to feed
00:50:30 the poor instead of them
00:50:35 they could have brought out a
00:50:38 huge feast at that conference
00:50:43 okay and they could have had a
00:50:46 great salvation celebration
00:50:50 and they could have fed many
00:50:56 and i just cried i was like what
00:51:00 is going on father
00:51:04 so i i don’t know if you’ve read my uh
00:51:06 no flush above another post
00:51:08 but i i bring out how
00:51:12 nelson is very prideful
00:51:15 and very me me me
00:51:18 me oriented well look at the great
00:51:22 birthday
00:51:23 that hit celebration all of that
00:51:27 could have been fed instead of
00:51:30 having that birthday party
00:51:32 but that’s what i was looking at one of
00:51:36 the concepts
00:51:37 that i brought out with nelson in that
00:51:39 post is how nephi
00:51:41 when he did this mighty miracle his
00:51:44 brothers wanted to worship him and he’s
00:51:46 like no
00:51:46 don’t worship me worship god but with
00:51:49 nelson yeah
00:51:50 i’m giving out his picture you know what
00:51:51 he’s saying is worship me
00:51:54 yes this is me i doubt
00:51:57 he i i’m the great one
00:52:00 he he didn’t give him a picture of
00:52:02 christ
00:52:04 no jesus joshua he gave him a picture of
00:52:06 him
00:52:07 of the arm of damn flesh
00:52:12 yeah that’s what the focus is
00:52:15 it was like wow
00:52:19 wow i was shocked
00:52:22 i was totally sadly i’m not shocked
00:52:25 i don’t know what year you woke up on
00:52:28 but i
00:52:29 that no i did not
00:52:32 expect that stephen
00:52:35 i mean this man has money he has power
00:52:40 he has the ability oh he lives off a
00:52:43 tithing
00:52:44 off of the poor so i’m not surprised he
00:52:48 didn’t tell the poor to
00:52:49 here let me give you some money you need
00:52:51 to give it to me i’ve
00:52:52 sat so much surprised he said give me
00:52:56 more tithing
00:52:58 because that’s what he okay he practices
00:53:01 priest crap
00:53:02 plain and simple sorry
00:53:05 yeah so
00:53:08 um we got off
00:53:12 we got off track i am more
00:53:16 concerned about
00:53:21 um the outer
00:53:24 the outer court he and i’m not going to
00:53:28 do justice
00:53:30 on this video okay i’m just going to
00:53:33 watch
00:53:34 later and i’ll put a comment to the
00:53:36 video i mean
00:53:37 in the description of the video when i
00:53:40 upload this i’ll put a
00:53:42 link to the video that you yeah because
00:53:44 i didn’t get finished yet
00:53:46 okay and we had to stop it
00:53:50 over and over because of our computer
00:53:53 but
00:53:54 the outer court is symbolic of our flesh
00:53:58 okay and the inner court
00:54:02 is symbolic of our spirit
00:54:06 of our spirit and
00:54:09 the spirit is the holy place
00:54:13 the spiritual mind
00:54:17 okay if our mind
00:54:20 is and the environment around
00:54:24 us is chaotic and noisy and destructive
00:54:30 then we are not
00:54:34 going to be able to get in that holy
00:54:38 place so i disagree with that statement
00:54:42 um i i do believe you mean well by it
00:54:45 but one example of why i would disagree
00:54:49 with this
00:54:49 is elmo one alma one
00:54:53 talks about how the believers had
00:54:57 tons of persecutions from the
00:55:00 unbelievers
00:55:01 but yet what did they have they had
00:55:04 god’s peace
00:55:06 in fact i don’t remember the exact way
00:55:08 that they put it but they had
00:55:11 some of the most peace that anyone has
00:55:14 ever had
00:55:18 right
00:55:20 okay it’s one thing
00:55:23 that they could go home
00:55:26 they could have that that quiet place
00:55:31 then when they were working they were
00:55:33 persecuted
00:55:35 well i i don’t know well the record alma
00:55:39 one does not
00:55:40 actually say one way or the other if the
00:55:42 believers
00:55:43 if they were part believing holmes or
00:55:45 not and i don’t think it matters
00:55:48 to be honest well i know my
00:55:52 leaving house i know
00:55:55 i know my circumstance that
00:55:58 i’ve not had a closet
00:56:01 i have had people stomping over me
00:56:04 i have had noise continually
00:56:10 and it has been most difficult
00:56:14 to go to that holy place where when i
00:56:17 had my place
00:56:21 i had no problem getting there
00:56:25 and then when i went out world i was
00:56:28 still
00:56:29 in that holy place
00:56:34 so you want to have a point
00:56:39 i i don’t know alma 32
00:56:44 brings out how we can worship god all
00:56:46 the time you don’t need a building or a
00:56:48 specific place
00:56:49 in alma 32. oh i’m not saying you have
00:56:51 to have a building
00:56:54 like it’s not necessarily just a
00:56:56 building
00:56:57 but i i i know my life and
00:57:01 it
00:57:05 you have quiet i would put on your
00:57:08 headphones
00:57:10 well i just put on my headset so that
00:57:12 way i’m not
00:57:13 um being too noisy for the rest of the
00:57:15 house
00:57:16 but right um
00:57:20 i believe that no matter what
00:57:23 circumstance that we in
00:57:25 we can have god’s peace it’s whether or
00:57:28 not if what we
00:57:29 do what is necessary or not or have
00:57:32 the right state of mind and doing the
00:57:35 right things
00:57:36 it our peace is not dependent upon
00:57:40 what is going around us
00:57:43 our peace is dependent upon our
00:57:45 relationship
00:57:46 with yahweh
00:57:49 that’s what peace is dependent upon now
00:57:52 i will admit we are not talking we’re
00:57:55 not talking about peace
00:57:58 we are talking about the holy place
00:58:01 the spiritual where
00:58:05 we can receive even more
00:58:09 knowledge from him oh i’ve received more
00:58:13 knowledge from him and
00:58:15 neither you or i have been in the holy
00:58:18 of holies
00:58:20 i mean there isn’t even a holy of holies
00:58:22 on the earth right now
00:58:25 no there is a holy holy
00:58:28 when we connect nephi
00:58:32 connected with the holy spirit that’s my
00:58:34 point bree
00:58:36 it is a relationship that we have with
00:58:39 god
00:58:41 right but he had to pull away
00:58:44 he wasn’t in jerusalem he had to pull
00:58:48 away
00:58:50 from the noise lehigh connected with
00:58:54 uh god in the noise
00:58:57 jeremiah connected to god in the noise
00:59:01 no he the people in alma connected
00:59:05 to god in the noise
00:59:08 they’re usually in a wilderness
00:59:12 they’re usually where remember the rock
00:59:17 and the pillar of fire
00:59:20 i i know the story most this goes to the
00:59:23 mountain
00:59:24 i’m bringing out some additional stories
00:59:26 to help give some more insights
00:59:28 lehigh was not in the wilderness when he
00:59:30 connected with the lord
00:59:32 nor is jeremiah
00:59:36 yeah there were wilderness has very much
00:59:39 symbolic meaning to it and i’m not
00:59:41 trying to mean that but i’m just saying
00:59:44 that it’s
00:59:48 not necessary you can connect with god
00:59:51 with with
00:59:52 any circumstance that you are in
00:59:56 and that’s what i’m saying
01:00:01 i will say that with the opposition
01:00:05 all around me i have not been able to
01:00:10 sure i it’s harder i i agree there’s
01:00:12 times when i have opposition
01:00:14 it’s i i haven’t and it’s it’s
01:00:17 completely harder
01:00:18 but i’m saying is it’s possible
01:00:24 it is possible okay
01:00:31 i’m not perfect in it myself i mean i
01:00:34 i lapse even still
01:00:38 now but
01:00:41 the closer we get to god the
01:00:44 less the circumstance around us will
01:00:46 affect us
01:00:48 christ was tested more than any of us
01:00:51 could and he did not succumb
01:00:56 and yet we do it it’s because of us
01:01:00 our weaknesses okay but what did you say
01:01:05 he walked he got early in the morning
01:01:08 he pulled himself away from everyone
01:01:12 and he went in solitude did he not
01:01:16 at times but he wasn’t always able to
01:01:19 no he wasn’t always able to but he had
01:01:22 those
01:01:23 moments that he pulled away he even got
01:01:26 in a boat
01:01:27 to be by himself and then the people
01:01:30 said how did you get here
01:01:32 uh he actually was not in a depending on
01:01:35 which event you’re thinking but he
01:01:36 didn’t get in a boat he just walked on
01:01:37 the water
01:01:38 because he sent his apostles away in a
01:01:40 boat if it’s the time i’m thinking of
01:01:43 he didn’t have that no i’m thinking
01:01:46 okay we fed the individuals
01:01:51 and then he disappeared he disappeared
01:01:55 a lot of times to have one on one
01:01:59 with his father
01:02:03 what i am saying and and to
01:02:06 enter into the holy of holies you have
01:02:09 to find
01:02:11 a place where there are no distractions
01:02:17 it is getting harder okay
01:02:20 it is getting harder i’m in my own
01:02:24 apartment right now and i’ve got bang
01:02:27 bang bang
01:02:28 music outside because of somebody in
01:02:32 their car playing music
01:02:35 i’ve got an individual that is singing
01:02:38 at the top of their lungs
01:02:40 rap music as they are walking
01:02:44 down our division
01:02:48 okay i’m trying to pray
01:02:52 i’m trying to have that quiet
01:02:56 time and what i’ve realized
01:03:00 as the fire turns out in our
01:03:04 trials then hit
01:03:08 this boy gets
01:03:14 uh i lost you for like my personal life
01:03:18 okay well i lost you for about five
01:03:20 seconds
01:03:22 okay in my personal life i noticed
01:03:26 as the fire has been turned up in the
01:03:28 trials
01:03:30 his voice has had to be
01:03:33 louder
01:03:39 i don’t know what to say other than that
01:03:42 we disagree that’s when he
01:03:44 says that’s when he warns and says
01:03:48 don’t or he says stop
01:03:56 okay
01:03:58 i have been saved from car accidents
01:04:01 because of it
01:04:02 i have been saved from somebody trying
01:04:05 to hurt me
01:04:10 that’s what i’m saying as the fire
01:04:13 turns up if we have
01:04:16 tried to connect
01:04:20 in our mind and our heart
01:04:24 getting our emotions our appetites our
01:04:27 passions
01:04:28 our desires our intentions
01:04:32 align with him
01:04:35 and his agenda in those
01:04:39 fiery moments his
01:04:42 voice gets louder
01:04:48 it gets easier to hear that’s for sure i
01:04:51 don’t know about
01:04:52 louder well depending on the urgency of
01:04:56 the need
01:04:57 it has been loud
01:05:07 because i have been in dangerous
01:05:10 situations i i hear what you’re saying
01:05:14 um i just i see things differently
01:05:18 um and it may be because of your
01:05:20 experiences
01:05:22 sure i i i mean you
01:05:25 quote a famous for i don’t know where it
01:05:27 is in the old testament off of my head
01:05:28 but
01:05:29 god doesn’t speak in thunderings or
01:05:31 lightnings and those are pretty
01:05:33 loud uh he speaks in a soft
01:05:37 quiet voice it’s just the question of
01:05:39 are we paying attention
01:05:41 um
01:05:45 well maybe i’m not paying attention
01:05:47 though
01:05:48 i i think you do pay attention
01:05:52 brie and i’m not trying to
01:05:56 say that you’re not i i just i have a
01:06:01 different understanding on this point
01:06:09 god can be enlightened in in all
01:06:12 cases it’s just do we allow it
01:06:16 to happen or not it’s us think
01:06:20 it it’s it’s i think she’s trying to
01:06:24 no he’s just playing on he’s just
01:06:26 playing on the floor
01:06:28 okay it is definitely
01:06:32 easier in some circumstances than others
01:06:36 i don’t doubt that and i’ve admitted
01:06:38 that even in my own life
01:06:41 but there’s other times in my life where
01:06:45 he’s connected with me when it was
01:06:49 not peaceful also
01:06:53 right it is
01:06:56 it’s more about where we’re at and who
01:06:57 we’re trying to pay attention in our
01:07:00 mood and our circumstance in our heart
01:07:02 than it is what’s going on around us
01:07:04 because there’s
01:07:04 always going to be excuses there’s
01:07:07 always going to be reasons not to
01:07:10 have you lived in situations
01:07:14 where people are druggies and people
01:07:17 steal
01:07:18 and people murder
01:07:23 i haven’t lived your life bree
01:07:28 that is true but do you think that god
01:07:31 doesn’t talk to people in those
01:07:33 circumstances
01:07:35 what brought you out yeah he brought you
01:07:38 out
01:07:39 right you’ve told me some of your life
01:07:42 he talked to you in that circumstance
01:07:46 his voice was louder than theirs
01:07:50 god talks abundantly to everyone
01:07:53 as stated in 35 18.
01:07:57 it’s the question if we listen or not
01:08:00 god is doing
01:08:01 everything that he can for every
01:08:04 single soul
01:08:08 to save them the question is if people
01:08:11 will
01:08:12 accept it and listen to him it’s not a
01:08:14 question if he’s doing it or not
01:08:15 because he’s doing it the question is
01:08:18 will we listen
01:08:20 okay what i am saying is if your
01:08:23 environment
01:08:25 is louder if the adversary’s voice
01:08:29 is louder he
01:08:32 his voice gets louder
01:08:36 it is not the still small voice
01:08:40 that’s when the angel sounds the trump
01:08:45 um
01:08:50 that the even the imagery that you just
01:08:53 tried to use to prove it is
01:08:54 referring to something different than
01:08:56 what you’re talking about right now
01:08:58 oh i understand that i understand that
01:09:01 but what i’m saying
01:09:02 is that
01:09:08 his guidance that i have received
01:09:13 has become stronger and louder
01:09:18 that’s the only way i know how to say no
01:09:21 sure i i understand what you’re you’re
01:09:24 saying
01:09:24 and my understanding interpretation of
01:09:27 that is that you’re paying more
01:09:28 attention
01:09:30 it’s not that it’s necessarily gotten
01:09:31 louder it’s just you’re paying more
01:09:33 attention
01:09:38 anyways no maybe
01:09:43 it’s just i 35 18
01:09:47 says god speaks to people abundantly
01:09:50 in fact he speaks to you more abundantly
01:09:53 when you choose to follow him but how
01:09:56 could it be more abundantly if it was
01:09:57 not abundantly already
01:10:03 it’s just people don’t want to to
01:10:05 acknowledge it
01:10:07 or follow which goes along with what our
01:10:10 hearts and our circumstances what we’re
01:10:12 willing to do and
01:10:13 wanting to listen he’s already
01:10:18 i mean i’m sure he’s talking to more to
01:10:20 me than i’m recognizing even now
01:10:24 i have my own problems that i’m working
01:10:27 through
01:10:28 but i don’t
01:10:31 go around saying that he’s not talking
01:10:33 to me just because i don’t hear him
01:10:36 or not i’m not recognizing it
01:10:40 i’m not saying that he’s not talking to
01:10:43 me other
01:10:44 time
01:10:47 i’m i’m not saying no you’re just
01:10:48 changing the volumes changed
01:10:51 and i’m saying the volume hasn’t
01:10:54 i’m just saying you’re you’re paying
01:10:56 more attention
01:10:58 just for like when i bought a
01:11:02 jeep wrangler my first jeep wrangler i
01:11:04 never saw them before
01:11:05 does that mean that they weren’t there
01:11:08 or i just didn’t notice it
01:11:09 i think when you start seeing something
01:11:13 you now start noticing it all over the
01:11:15 place it doesn’t mean it wasn’t there in
01:11:17 the first place it just means you’re
01:11:18 starting to
01:11:19 to notice it and pay attention to it
01:11:23 okay i mean that’s
01:11:26 when you first recognize something you
01:11:29 start seeing it
01:11:30 everywhere in a lot of cases
01:11:33 that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there it
01:11:34 just means you’re just starting to
01:11:36 recognize it okay
01:11:40 i like that but anyways it’s i
01:11:43 understand
01:11:44 what you’re saying i just have a
01:11:47 a different understanding and look upon
01:11:50 it
01:11:51 but i i
01:11:54 don’t think it’s a major issue because
01:11:56 the intent that god’s
01:11:58 speaking to us is still both there we
01:12:00 just have a different understanding
01:12:03 of him i’ve always been doing it
01:12:14 god’s work is not done as in second year
01:12:18 29 he’s still trying to reach out to
01:12:21 everyone all the time he cares about
01:12:25 every single person in the family of
01:12:29 adam
01:12:30 he’s trying to save us all personally
01:12:34 okay but um
01:12:37 and i’ve heard other stories too i’ve
01:12:40 had my personal appearances to go
01:12:43 um to go from and i have heard
01:12:46 individuals um like even my husband
01:12:50 um he was saved from a horrible accident
01:12:55 because he was going to pull out at a
01:12:58 particular time
01:12:59 in the lane and he heard the voice
01:13:03 don’t and so
01:13:06 he immediately pulled back and a semi
01:13:10 truck
01:13:11 came and was already
01:13:15 speeding down the highway
01:13:18 and slammed into someone else and
01:13:20 slammed someone else
01:13:23 and he ended up slamming
01:13:26 into someone else but he was
01:13:30 not healed so are you saying that god
01:13:33 cares for your husband more than the
01:13:35 other person that god
01:13:36 that the semi just ran into then
01:13:41 no why did god talk to your husband and
01:13:44 not the person that
01:13:45 the semi truck actually ran into i don’t
01:13:49 know i i’m not saying that’s what you’re
01:13:52 implying that he talked to your husband
01:13:55 and not to the other guy
01:13:57 what i’m saying it
01:14:00 my husband heard a word
01:14:04 very strong i i don’t doubt that
01:14:07 but is it why wouldn’t the other person
01:14:10 i don’t know
01:14:11 if the people were spoken to
01:14:15 as well and they didn’t hear
01:14:18 why i don’t know that they did i am
01:14:21 hearing
01:14:21 this experience recounted
01:14:25 from my husband
01:14:29 sure i i just think and he acted on
01:14:33 but i
01:14:37 i mean not knowing the person and
01:14:39 considering that he died
01:14:40 we can’t ask him but i betcha
01:14:43 god wants to save us all i mean there’s
01:14:46 going to be cases like this
01:14:48 we can’t answer one way or the other
01:14:49 some of these tough questions
01:14:52 no we can’t interview everyone for
01:14:55 starters
01:14:56 did they have the impression they just
01:14:58 didn’t listen to it who knows
01:15:00 i mean we can’t ask them but they can’t
01:15:07 i i don’t know what to tell you i
01:15:11 i other than i believe god is talking to
01:15:13 us abundantly
01:15:14 all the time it’s just whether or not we
01:15:17 choose to listen or not
01:15:20 and act upon it i will say that
01:15:23 the more that we act and what god gives
01:15:27 us
01:15:28 the more we will recognize the other
01:15:30 things that god is
01:15:31 telling us
01:15:36 and it’s not because god doesn’t like us
01:15:38 it’s just we’re more in tune
01:15:40 when we keep his commandments we
01:15:43 understand him more
01:15:44 i mean keeping the commandments help us
01:15:46 recognize his voice
01:15:48 more because anyways that’s a whole
01:15:54 [Music]
01:15:58 i don’t know tc because i might be
01:16:00 staying up late
01:16:01 um it
01:16:05 this is a i mean this leads into a
01:16:07 difficult
01:16:08 subject i mean when
01:16:11 alma and amulek were out preaching
01:16:14 god let the wicked men
01:16:18 go burn some husband i mean go burn some
01:16:21 wives and children um and they were told
01:16:25 to retrain right they they were told to
01:16:28 hold
01:16:29 back and i part of the reason
01:16:33 i think we’re given in there is that so
01:16:35 that god can condemn
01:16:36 the wicked because he can’t just
01:16:40 condemn them dance again without the
01:16:43 without them doing the act and they did
01:16:45 the act i
01:16:46 also i think in here that i think gets
01:16:49 forgotten
01:16:50 is that they’re recent converts
01:16:54 i don’t think they’ve completely
01:16:57 understood
01:16:57 to listen yet i mean i’m not there i’m
01:17:00 just throwing out
01:17:01 a theory something to think about
01:17:05 but someone who’s been following god
01:17:09 a long time would recognize
01:17:12 warnings better than those who are just
01:17:15 recent converts
01:17:17 now that doesn’t explain everything
01:17:19 because there’s
01:17:20 abinadi we know abinadi was
01:17:23 more than just a recent convert right
01:17:27 he had a very close connection to god
01:17:30 but
01:17:30 at the same time he knew what was
01:17:33 happening
01:17:35 yeah it was no mystery to him
01:17:38 in fact he prophesied because of what he
01:17:41 knew
01:17:42 was coming in those events
01:17:45 so you can bring out stories
01:17:48 in both on both sides of the issue
01:17:52 but i think on one thing that i bring
01:17:54 out here
01:17:55 those who really know the lord and it
01:17:57 happens to them
01:17:59 there’s they’re a lot more advanced and
01:18:02 they’re more prepared
01:18:03 for it in fact that binadai knew what
01:18:06 was going to happen
01:18:08 and he prophesied of it
01:18:11 yeah he was well seasoned yeah
01:18:15 um he practiced and walked in his face
01:18:18 before he even went on that mission
01:18:22 oh yeah he had to be with what oh yeah
01:18:26 he he he was
01:18:29 well versed in the scriptures and
01:18:32 had internalized them into his
01:18:36 own character and behavior long before
01:18:39 that mission
01:18:41 he understood that those
01:18:45 ordinances what they were pointing to
01:18:49 does he even talk about
01:18:54 right um but i i mean
01:18:59 his face glue
01:19:00 [Music]
01:19:02 by his face
01:19:15 with the glory of the lord it’s not
01:19:18 something that
01:19:19 will just happen he had a
01:19:22 close relationship with yahweh
01:19:25 so yeah but
01:19:30 this gets into the tricky circumstances
01:19:32 but
01:19:34 i don’t have all the answers but i do
01:19:36 believe
01:19:38 that yahweh is speaking to all men
01:19:42 abundantly all the time it’s just a
01:19:44 matter are we choosing
01:19:46 to follow it all i mean the scriptures
01:19:48 that themselves say
01:19:50 that the god does not let us get in any
01:19:53 circumstance that we can’t handle
01:19:57 it’s just we choose not to follow
01:20:01 god’s ways to let us out of the
01:20:03 circumstances and we
01:20:06 choose rather to ignorance or or
01:20:09 whatever to follow his ways indulge
01:20:12 satan
01:20:15 we yield to the overwhelmness
01:20:18 or the the
01:20:22 circumstance um
01:20:27 sure i mean
01:20:30 in colleges they teach circumstantial
01:20:33 ethics
01:20:34 i i i don’t know if that’s the exact
01:20:37 term that they use for it but
01:20:38 i mean it’s something along those lines
01:20:40 right rather than absolute
01:20:43 um where the things of god
01:20:48 are absolute i joseph smith has a quote
01:20:52 that
01:20:53 if a principle is not eternal it’s not
01:20:55 from god
01:20:57 i believe that i
01:21:01 and to me it’s the only thing it makes
01:21:03 sense because otherwise he’s being a
01:21:05 respecter of persons
01:21:07 because to require one thing from one
01:21:10 person and something else from someone
01:21:12 else
01:21:13 is respecting someone because you’re
01:21:16 having different requirements
01:21:18 they have to do different things it i
01:21:20 don’t
01:21:21 i don’t know if he’s requiring it from
01:21:24 everyone but i do believe
01:21:27 he’s inviting
01:21:30 everyone well he requires all to keep
01:21:33 the commandments
01:21:34 and those who don’t and don’t repent are
01:21:37 going to be judged
01:21:38 the punishment so i
01:21:42 it’s a requirement period
01:21:45 now none of us have kept the law
01:21:48 completely
01:21:49 we all have sinned and fallen short the
01:21:51 glory of god
01:21:53 but those there’s a difference between
01:21:57 those who don’t repent and those who
01:21:59 do repent and strive to keep his
01:22:01 commandments
01:22:04 and for striving and recognizing it’s
01:22:07 him that saves us and not just
01:22:11 um thinking that keeping the law is
01:22:13 going to save us
01:22:14 because it’s not we’ve broken it
01:22:17 we’ve we all have broken the law
01:22:22 it says there are those that
01:22:26 have not received the law
01:22:30 they’re innocent they they’re
01:22:33 not required well this gets into sticky
01:22:37 circumstances
01:22:39 but in moroni 7 it
01:22:43 says that god has given his spirit to
01:22:46 all men
01:22:47 right now there are clear differences
01:22:52 men and women i mean men is a general
01:22:55 term like
01:22:56 for adults i would say for adults
01:22:58 because
01:23:00 it is clear that children haven’t
01:23:03 completely gotten the law
01:23:04 and they’re an exception to that but
01:23:08 i i do see in genesis and moroni 7
01:23:12 two examples that all men receive the
01:23:15 spirit
01:23:16 of god amen that’s right
01:23:20 now i i do think that
01:23:24 some of the fine details maybe not
01:23:27 everybody has
01:23:28 received but the generals
01:23:32 everybody has received oh all men
01:23:35 because children’s a different um case
01:23:38 right but in general
01:23:45 okay i am thinking of a huge amount of
01:23:49 sex
01:23:50 trafficking i am thinking about
01:23:53 these children that are ripped
01:23:56 from home very young age and
01:24:00 they are terrorized and they are broken
01:24:03 and
01:24:03 they are shattered
01:24:07 and they are abused
01:24:10 they are innocent
01:24:14 when they grow up that
01:24:18 there is another spirit
01:24:21 that is placed in them so they become
01:24:24 robotic there’s this is a
01:24:28 tricky one i will admit
01:24:31 um they’re
01:24:34 like in in king noah we
01:24:37 we get this uh and some talkings about
01:24:40 it later on
01:24:42 and even in the lamanites sorry
01:24:46 with the lamanites we learned that um
01:24:49 that some of their and this is where
01:24:52 god has to step in but the sins
01:24:56 of the lamanites to some extent are upon
01:24:58 their fathers
01:25:00 because of their their false teachings
01:25:02 what not this is where
01:25:04 uh some of the the finer details i i
01:25:08 we’d have to get into and i’m not god
01:25:10 but
01:25:12 so there’s a mixture and this is a
01:25:16 case-by-case place that we can’t say
01:25:18 from each person
01:25:20 how much they were actually
01:25:24 accountable for versus them just doing
01:25:27 something to stay alive but
01:25:31 right if they’re accountable if they’re
01:25:34 an adult
01:25:35 they know i think as a child they
01:25:38 probably
01:25:40 well not just think they they don’t know
01:25:42 but as they grow up they can see
01:25:44 the problems of what they grew up in
01:25:48 and they just make a choice
01:25:51 but whether they made the what choice
01:25:53 they made and how
01:25:54 and where they’re at and how much of
01:25:56 it’s on their fathers versus them
01:25:59 i i don’t know and that’s going to be on
01:26:01 a case-by-case basis
01:26:03 and i don’t know them like god knows
01:26:06 that’s right
01:26:06 and so i can’t say but what i can say
01:26:10 is that the scriptures teach that all
01:26:13 men
01:26:15 are given his spirit yes
01:26:20 but so all men are given spirit
01:26:23 but he didn’t say what happens
01:26:27 when there’s abuse
01:26:31 what happens to that spirit what happens
01:26:34 to that individual to
01:26:36 be able to hear how is that
01:26:39 how are they not included in all men
01:26:44 all men yes
01:26:47 they’re given that although well
01:26:50 but that’s why there is mercy
01:26:54 right because each case
01:26:57 is different well this is go
01:27:01 how much is this is where i can’t answer
01:27:04 some of it’s on the
01:27:05 sit on their fathers or
01:27:08 those in charge of them so on and so
01:27:10 forth
01:27:11 yeah and some of it is theirs now how
01:27:14 much in each case
01:27:15 i don’t know i really don’t that’s right
01:27:19 but you can’t tell me that
01:27:22 someone who grows up in that
01:27:23 circumstance does not know what’s wrong
01:27:31 they see the effects and how it’s bad
01:27:36 no no not when you
01:27:39 are taken
01:27:43 and shut off from the world
01:27:47 complete world and all you know
01:27:51 is who is feeding you who is
01:27:56 um around you nonstop
01:28:00 and i i’m just
01:28:03 okay i hear what you’re saying but yeah
01:28:07 god until they’re older
01:28:10 god taught yeah child there’s a
01:28:13 difference between
01:28:14 a child and an adult there’s this age of
01:28:17 accountability and how accountable and
01:28:18 that’s
01:28:19 a big point that i’ve been trying to
01:28:21 point out here
01:28:22 that’s what i’m saying it’s men it’s
01:28:26 women yeah it’s adults not a
01:28:29 child right when i when maybe i didn’t
01:28:33 make it clear enough when i said men i
01:28:35 i tried to clarify it means adults not
01:28:37 childs
01:28:38 okay and maybe i wasn’t clear enough
01:28:42 on that that there is a distinction
01:28:44 between children
01:28:45 in fact even well you broke up
01:28:48 several times on my side oh well maybe
01:28:52 part of the reason i wasn’t clear is
01:28:53 because of the internet issues then
01:28:56 that’s frustrating i was trying to piece
01:29:00 so you know the message together the
01:29:02 whole time
01:29:03 i i mean in in king benjamin’s
01:29:07 um speech i’m frowning when i frowned
01:29:12 it’s like the it
01:29:16 is what i’m getting and i’m like
01:29:20 hey internet makes it so it can meet but
01:29:22 sometimes it’s not perfect
01:29:24 that’s for sure no um oh
01:29:27 oh actually uh i hope
01:29:30 ann wants to join hopefully she hasn’t
01:29:32 been waiting too long i just noticed
01:29:34 okay um
01:29:38 unmute her hi anne
01:29:42 i am hopefully you haven’t been waiting
01:29:44 too long i just noticed that you were
01:29:46 trying to join i i wish zoom would make
01:29:50 a noise when someone wants to join
01:29:52 it’s i think you have to start the thing
01:29:55 first
01:29:56 oh i’ve been going for a while oh
01:29:59 okay so i i actually started
01:30:03 a little before um scheduled time just
01:30:08 trying to be prompt
01:30:11 anyways i thought you were going to
01:30:13 start at 9 30
01:30:15 um my time no i and i
01:30:18 maybe i wasn’t clear um 9 30 argentine
01:30:21 time is 6
01:30:22 30 mountain time
01:30:25 wow
01:30:29 so i in in facebook and maybe
01:30:32 this is a problem with facebook i don’t
01:30:34 know but i put 9
01:30:36 30 in facebook
01:30:39 but i i thought facebook converted that
01:30:42 to your local
01:30:44 time there might be
01:30:47 like according to um a
01:30:51 there might be a setting that i have to
01:30:53 adjust or something uh well maybe i’ll
01:30:55 check
01:30:55 time zone next time because bree is
01:30:58 saying it doesn’t converge so maybe
01:31:01 i’m missing something i’m told 7 30.
01:31:04 it’s like okay oh well i put in 9 30 so
01:31:08 if you’re told 7 30 it’s converting
01:31:10 the time but no i do so
01:31:14 oh because we’ve done this before like 7
01:31:18 30 7
01:31:18 30. so
01:31:22 maybe i’ll have to check facebook and
01:31:24 see what if there’s a time zone
01:31:27 setting if not maybe i should add it to
01:31:28 the comments uh if nothing else
01:31:32 yeah so maybe there’s a little confusion
01:31:36 on that sorry about that and
01:31:39 that a problem i just assumed that’s
01:31:42 what you get for assuming
01:31:46 yeah you get a few done
01:31:50 you weren’t waiting too long um
01:31:55 because i try to watch for when people
01:31:57 come in but
01:31:59 sometimes i don’t notice things but i i
01:32:02 was even talking to bree
01:32:04 and my son came in and hid under the
01:32:06 table and i didn’t even notice it
01:32:09 earlier because i was just so focused
01:32:16 oh man
01:32:19 so they’re going to start doing
01:32:22 corporate installed mandates for
01:32:26 masks now as
01:32:29 in as businesses yeah
01:32:32 i mean previously when all the grocery
01:32:35 stores
01:32:36 and i mean all the grocery stores
01:32:39 you know you have to have a mask on if
01:32:42 you want to do
01:32:43 actual come in and shopping um
01:32:46 starting tomorrow yeah i heard one more
01:32:49 and costco was like that and and target
01:32:53 and i think carmen’s if i remember
01:32:56 yeah but macy’s and
01:32:59 solbergs and so i’m like in the tooele
01:33:02 area
01:33:03 and there’s like lucky macy’s
01:33:07 solbergs and walmart and
01:33:10 every one of them is going to start a
01:33:12 mask mandate on
01:33:14 tomorrow
01:33:19 is there any mom and pop shops you can
01:33:21 go to or
01:33:22 or yeah
01:33:26 well i’ll tell you this i i avoid
01:33:29 wearing the mask
01:33:30 myself as much as possible but
01:33:33 i don’t think it’s a moral issue and so
01:33:35 when i went to the doctors the other day
01:33:38 i wore for as little as possible
01:33:42 as i could get away that i could get
01:33:44 away with
01:33:46 i don’t think it’s necessary i mean
01:33:49 there’s going to be
01:33:50 argument about whether or not it helps
01:33:54 stop
01:33:55 information it doesn’t and
01:33:59 you know maybe if it does maybe it’s
01:34:02 about
01:34:04 it’s like wearing a condom you’d
01:34:08 be better just to stay home and not have
01:34:10 sex you know
01:34:11 i’ve seen it it’s not
01:34:14 good the condom okay it’s nothing
01:34:19 to hold it in um
01:34:23 it’s you know i’ve i’ve gone over
01:34:28 new the new studies the old studies
01:34:31 and it’s like
01:34:35 have you listened to fox nudist
01:34:38 fox news laura ingraham
01:34:42 i know i have not listened to her i’ve
01:34:45 i may mostly listen to uh
01:34:48 shiva aveda and
01:34:52 um there’s a few others
01:34:55 but um well she tells you
01:34:59 what it does for you
01:35:03 and what against you right okay
01:35:07 and um there’s another one
01:35:10 if um you send me your message
01:35:14 i will send you two of them
01:35:17 one bill gates and uh
01:35:21 someone else has been sued
01:35:25 by several uh governments
01:35:30 for this um
01:35:34 that they’re they’re not allowing
01:35:38 you know the lay people to know the
01:35:41 information
01:35:43 um it’s by robert kennedy
01:35:46 jr oh well he’s with the
01:35:49 uh vaccine the lawyer
01:35:54 he’s also in is he in congress he’s
01:35:57 he’s a representative or was a
01:35:59 representative
01:36:02 um
01:36:03 [Music]
01:36:06 i’m not aware of that
01:36:10 he’s he kind of sounds like
01:36:13 he’s got like something wrong with his
01:36:15 throat
01:36:17 he almost sounds like not quite kermit
01:36:19 but
01:36:20 he he has like this
01:36:24 to his voice and a difficulty of talking
01:36:28 no no not not
01:36:31 the one you know anyway
01:36:34 um i’m glad to send it to you
01:36:40 if you put it in the chat um brie
01:36:44 um i don’t know how to or you just put
01:36:46 it on facebook and i can put it in the
01:36:48 chat
01:36:49 um yeah especially
01:37:19 in the world so and that’s where i
01:37:22 learned um he’s been dude
01:37:28 he’s done a lot to hurt
01:37:31 africans and stuff
01:37:35 he’s a mirror oh yeah
01:37:39 so here he like you know
01:37:42 goes out and perfect you know purposely
01:37:44 sterilizes people
01:37:47 bill he’s
01:37:50 not a good person in fact some people
01:37:54 have brought up in some of the videos
01:37:55 where he’s talking about the current
01:37:57 situation where he’s got books and uh
01:38:00 one title of the book
01:38:02 that’s in the video is how to lie using
01:38:05 statistics
01:38:06 um anyways
01:38:13 um i
01:38:19 i every every um
01:38:23 100 years that yeah
01:38:27 that they do
01:38:34 um i i personally avoid wearing the mask
01:38:37 as much as possible apparently where i’m
01:38:40 at in argentina right now
01:38:41 if you go into in a building it’s law
01:38:44 that you have to wear it
01:38:46 um but you don’t have to wear it outside
01:38:48 so i’ll
01:38:50 put it on when i went to the doctor’s i
01:38:52 put it on right
01:38:53 at the door and right at the door i took
01:38:56 it off
01:38:56 i i think it’s a joke it doesn’t do any
01:38:59 good
01:39:00 it actually hampers our breathing
01:39:03 um yeah but i also don’t think it’s a
01:39:07 moral
01:39:07 issue i don’t think it’s the mark of the
01:39:10 beast
01:39:10 like i don’t know a lot of people are
01:39:12 saying nowadays
01:39:14 i do think people accepting the mask and
01:39:17 its wisdom
01:39:18 is prepping people to accept other
01:39:20 things such as the mark
01:39:23 um so on and so forth and so i don’t
01:39:25 think it’s good
01:39:27 i’m wondering if the
01:39:33 uh if
01:39:37 the name mark
01:39:42 um might have something to do with the
01:39:45 genetic code and if so
01:39:48 then yeah the change of the dna or
01:39:52 something
01:39:53 uh i i think the mark has to do
01:39:56 with worship in fact the catholic church
01:40:01 publicly says that the mark
01:40:04 mark mind you of their authority
01:40:08 is sunday worship
01:40:12 which will be forced upon
01:40:17 right now
01:40:35 day it’s it’s going to happen
01:40:38 in that day yeah it
01:40:41 the mark is about worship and doing it
01:40:44 correctly um because
01:40:47 the the church the catholic church
01:40:51 has killed people because they wouldn’t
01:40:54 worship
01:40:54 and when they say that they need to and
01:40:57 they’re going to do it again
01:40:59 in fact right now
01:41:02 that it has to be on sunday it’s just
01:41:04 not enforced
01:41:06 i mean i wouldn’t call the mask the mark
01:41:08 like you know just like you
01:41:10 um but it
01:41:13 is i think it is a more of a religious
01:41:17 thing than anything else
01:41:19 um i’ve heard somebody compare it to
01:41:22 secular
01:41:23 sharia i’ll be right back
01:41:26 sure um oh yes i’ll
01:41:29 respond to her when she gets back um
01:41:35 so i don’t know if you want to talk
01:41:38 a little bit more what we were talking
01:41:40 about before
01:41:42 uh and came um or but she’s back now
01:41:46 so i i do think the masks
01:41:50 and it’s preparing people to accept
01:41:54 more later on because they’re they’re
01:41:56 just seeing who’s going to accept what
01:41:58 they’re being told to accept
01:42:00 without thinking themselves
01:42:03 um and digging you see that video if you
01:42:06 haven’t seen it yet no i haven’t seen
01:42:09 the video yet
01:42:11 i got it one of 2012
01:42:15 british elite open act
01:42:24 yeah i i put it in the group
01:42:38 this was in 2012. oh that one oh i
01:42:41 didn’t send that one i can send that one
01:42:44 um hold on then that i sent to you
01:42:48 the fox the health asset
01:42:53 how to respond to
01:42:59 [Music]
01:43:09 so here’s and the one from
01:43:12 2012 uh olympics in
01:43:15 um london
01:43:22 uh and it’s completely the mask so
01:43:26 they’ve had this plan for a long time
01:43:28 which i’m sure you agree with
01:43:30 already um there’s an agenda with it and
01:43:35 i i’ve come across an article let me see
01:43:38 if i can
01:43:39 watch a video that you sent um
01:43:46 let’s see
01:43:49 that um
01:43:54 it connects the mask wearing with occult
01:43:57 rituals
01:43:58 um i believe it’s this article and i
01:44:01 think it did a very good job in it
01:44:04 um
01:44:12 um and so i think that’s more what’s
01:44:15 going on
01:44:16 they’re just trying to condition the
01:44:17 people to start accepting um
01:44:21 the new leaders and the new reality by
01:44:24 changing their senses
01:44:25 and so on and so forth the article
01:44:29 gets into more details it also gets you
01:44:32 back
01:44:35 think about that
01:44:38 when when i was a mason um i i didn’t
01:44:41 wear
01:44:42 um a mask on the mouth but i did
01:44:45 wear um a covering on the eyes for
01:44:49 part of the ritual um
01:44:55 and so apart i definitely see the
01:44:57 connection with changing
01:44:58 the perception and what you can see and
01:45:01 feel or perceive
01:45:02 changing your five senses some but at
01:45:05 least
01:45:06 in what i experienced
01:45:09 in the blue lodge there was no
01:45:12 um mass going over the mouth or the nose
01:45:16 i also did the 32 degrees in scottish
01:45:20 rite and
01:45:20 i don’t remember anything
01:45:24 on the mouth it’s i will be honest
01:45:28 though
01:45:28 when you do degrees 4 through 32
01:45:32 in 2 days it’s hard to remember all the
01:45:35 details
01:45:37 i bet especially since uh
01:45:40 you don’t participate in each one you’re
01:45:42 just an observer
01:45:44 and at least the way that how they did
01:45:46 mine because there was a group of a lot
01:45:48 of people going through it
01:45:51 but not everyone got to participate
01:45:56 and so they pick uh people that to do
01:46:00 the actual ritual where everybody
01:46:02 else just watches on when you’re doing
01:46:04 the 4 through 32 in the two days
01:46:07 and i don’t remember a mask in any of
01:46:11 those
01:46:12 um and i got called to
01:46:16 to be part of more than anybody else did
01:46:20 for whatever reason who knows why
01:46:23 especially since i don’t think it’s a
01:46:24 good thing anymore
01:46:26 because they’re trying to pull me in
01:46:28 more right anyways
01:46:30 but either way i don’t remember masking
01:46:33 any of those
01:46:34 ceremonies but like i said doing four
01:46:38 through 32 in two days
01:46:40 it’s hard to remember all the details uh
01:46:43 well i
01:46:43 think the masculine book of shutting
01:46:46 down
01:46:47 off speed um
01:46:50 but considering the degrees are in
01:46:53 morals and dogma and no one’s brought
01:46:56 out the mask from morals and dogma
01:46:59 which is based off the scottish rite
01:47:02 i don’t believe a max is
01:47:06 in those ceremonies um i have seen
01:47:09 connections
01:47:10 with um from the occult work the
01:47:13 kneeling
01:47:15 um and in the occult
01:47:19 like the kneeling when the black guy was
01:47:21 killed
01:47:22 um that happened there that i’ve seen
01:47:26 some articles that are
01:47:27 connected with the occult which i tend
01:47:29 to believe
01:47:30 the stuff um i don’t
01:47:34 know the link to that article off top my
01:47:36 head though so i can’t
01:47:38 give it to you sorry it’s
01:47:41 why um but anyways
01:47:45 so i do think there’s occult connections
01:47:48 to with what’s going on going on
01:47:50 basically what i’m saying
01:47:54 behind them and they’re just doing it to
01:47:57 the masses
01:47:58 and for the most part the masses are
01:48:00 accepting it
01:48:03 um
01:48:07 i don’t accept it but like i told you i
01:48:09 wore a mask when i went to the doctor’s
01:48:11 he wouldn’t see me if i wasn’t wearing
01:48:13 it so i kind of had to
01:48:17 so to some degree i believe it’s one of
01:48:19 those things where
01:48:22 um
01:48:26 it bothers me on a on a political level
01:48:31 uh corporations who i never voted for
01:48:36 who have control over my
01:48:39 food supply can tell me
01:48:43 that i can either bend the
01:48:49 yeah i agree um and when i get back to
01:48:53 the states
01:48:55 i will do my best to go to mama pop
01:48:58 shops or uh
01:49:00 farmers markets to avoid that but
01:49:03 the push comes to shove and all i have
01:49:06 is the
01:49:07 big change to go to i’ll be honest i’ll
01:49:10 wear the mask
01:49:11 but it’ll be coming on and off right at
01:49:12 the door
01:49:16 well good luck on that one because
01:49:19 uh costco this is oh my gosh
01:49:23 okay apparently costco has been
01:49:27 patrolling
01:49:29 to make sure that once you go in
01:49:32 you keep it on oh yeah i’ll wear it in
01:49:35 the store
01:49:37 but on the other hand
01:49:40 and i’m pretty sure this is true my
01:49:42 friend
01:49:43 posted a picture that his friend
01:49:47 took of himself and his two grandkids
01:49:51 they went to costco they were let in
01:49:54 with
01:49:55 an ant-man an iron man and a batman mask
01:50:02 i kid you not
01:50:06 oh well it’s a mask right it covered the
01:50:10 nose
01:50:11 it was the batman covered
01:50:15 the nose so i guess it was okay
01:50:18 well maybe i might do something like
01:50:20 that but when i said at the door
01:50:22 i mean when i’m in the building i’ll
01:50:24 wear them i mean as soon as i come out
01:50:26 i’m coming up taking it off that if that
01:50:29 i mean if if
01:50:30 this mask is
01:50:33 something that passes the policy
01:50:37 then they’ve admitted that
01:50:41 there’s nothing medical oh yeah well i i
01:50:44 mean
01:50:44 just the fact that people aren’t putting
01:50:46 the masks
01:50:47 into biodegradable um
01:50:51 hazard trash can shows really disposal
01:50:54 um yeah they’re not disposing of it
01:50:57 properly
01:50:58 they’re not disposing of the gloves
01:51:00 properly they’re not just
01:51:02 anything properly according to what
01:51:04 they’re claiming
01:51:05 but the thing is most people don’t think
01:51:07 about that and so they just accept it
01:51:09 and go on like like at the airport where
01:51:12 your water could be a bomb let me throw
01:51:14 it into a trash can where there’s other
01:51:16 possible bombs that
01:51:17 could go off i mean no one thinks they
01:51:20 just
01:51:20 accept it without thinking are you crazy
01:51:23 you’re gonna throw something as a
01:51:24 potential
01:51:25 bomb first of all why would you throw
01:51:27 something as a potential bomb
01:51:29 and why would you throw it into
01:51:30 something else that has other potential
01:51:32 bombs
01:51:32 you’re a nut if you do that
01:51:35 or you’re completely blind and just
01:51:38 doing what you’re told
01:51:40 because if you really thought about it
01:51:42 you would see the problem with what
01:51:44 you’re being told
01:51:45 to do but people don’t think
01:51:48 the problem is the as i see it
01:51:51 elite do whatever they think they can
01:51:54 get away with
01:51:55 with the masses and then one of the
01:51:57 masses
01:52:00 sorry go ahead bree just
01:52:03 wrote in the chat that she was leaving
01:52:07 i think oh okay
01:52:10 yeah you want to stay there
01:52:13 hi yeah take care is everything okay
01:52:16 bree
01:52:18 yeah josh came to get me so i’m leaving
01:52:22 oh okay all right thank you all right
01:52:26 thank you all right bye guys bye
01:52:38 what’s the topic for today other than
01:52:41 complaining about uh inevitable forced
01:52:45 stuff well we can the topic is whatever
01:52:48 we want to talk about okay so
01:52:52 moroni six and i can get the verse for
01:52:54 you if you want but one of the later
01:52:56 verses it basically says the meeting
01:52:58 should be
01:52:59 guided by the spirit
01:53:03 so meaning no pre-plan
01:53:07 discussion and i
01:53:11 i i’m listening to a book right now
01:53:13 called pagan christianity
01:53:15 um and in it when it talk there’s a
01:53:18 chapter about talking about the meetings
01:53:20 that they had before the catholic church
01:53:22 took over that’s what they did
01:53:25 they just went off of what people wanted
01:53:28 to talk about what people wanted to
01:53:30 share
01:53:32 um there was no this pre-planned
01:53:35 corporate christianity that we’re all
01:53:37 used to
01:53:38 today they gave some references from the
01:53:42 new testament that i don’t know off top
01:53:44 my head
01:53:44 but i ever since i’ve been doing this
01:53:48 with free
01:53:48 it’s all been based off of moroni six
01:53:51 one of the later verses i can get it
01:53:53 but it’s all by the spirit whether we
01:53:55 pray or
01:53:56 sing or supplicate
01:54:00 it’s all based off the spirit i have no
01:54:02 pre-planned
01:54:03 meaning okay topic let me talk about
01:54:06 whatever you want
01:54:07 oh so do you have any um
01:54:10 wine making recipes
01:54:13 um i i can give you some resources on
01:54:16 that later
01:54:18 if you want i found one that i like that
01:54:21 i’ve been
01:54:22 using for a little while but i’m
01:54:23 certainly open to
01:54:25 some experimentation sure um
01:54:28 i am not an expert on that yet
01:54:31 [Laughter]
01:54:32 um we all gotta start somewhere yeah i
01:54:35 i’ve done it
01:54:36 before i moved to argentina or
01:54:39 i don’t know if move is the right word
01:54:41 but my visit to argentina is probably a
01:54:43 better word
01:54:44 and it didn’t come out very well
01:54:48 i took a class from someone else who
01:54:50 believed in the restorations
01:54:52 but you know also come to realization
01:54:54 that the lds church has its problems
01:54:57 and they had me use
01:55:00 uh frozen consecrate
01:55:03 and bread yeast and we cleaned
01:55:08 uh the things to do the wine with
01:55:11 something that actually stayed in the
01:55:14 mix
01:55:15 so i can oh no can’t i don’t remember
01:55:18 what it was but i couldn’t taste it when
01:55:20 i actually did the wine
01:55:24 so the wine was disgusting
01:55:28 i’ve done some research since then that
01:55:31 what he had us do was not very good and
01:55:33 so when i
01:55:35 get back to the states and settle down i
01:55:38 plan to do it again
01:55:39 because i’ve studied it since then and
01:55:43 some of his suggestions weren’t the best
01:55:45 but considering
01:55:46 i didn’t know anything it was better
01:55:47 than nothing right
01:55:49 right because i’ve heard people who have
01:55:51 taken taken part of that
01:55:53 type of one and actually discouraged
01:55:55 them so i don’t know if it was better
01:55:57 than nothing
01:55:58 actually well you know i i do something
01:56:01 similar to what you just described
01:56:03 it’s like basically i just go and buy a
01:56:06 big bottle of
01:56:07 grape juice and siphon a little bit off
01:56:11 add two cups of sugar
01:56:13 um add some bread yeast that’s already
01:56:16 been mixed up
01:56:18 and let it sit in the container that i
01:56:20 bought it in
01:56:21 for two weeks did you put a balloon on
01:56:24 top
01:56:24 because the just put a balloon so that
01:56:26 way the air could expand
01:56:28 the lid was partially uh loose
01:56:31 oh it was it was on to keep the tread
01:56:34 the
01:56:35 the contaminants out but it was loose so
01:56:38 it could let the gases out
01:56:40 well i don’t know how that works though
01:56:42 to be honest but anyways
01:56:43 yeah i think a balloon would okay all
01:56:46 right i mean
01:56:48 the you you want to have the gas escape
01:56:51 you know you want to have i i’ve read
01:56:54 there’s you should get some way
01:56:56 one-way valves depending how serious you
01:56:58 want to get into it right
01:57:00 to help with that well you know
01:57:03 you gotta wonder how i mean i know
01:57:06 that they have worked everything into an
01:57:09 absolute
01:57:10 science but beyond the science there’s
01:57:13 an
01:57:13 art there was an art that was developed
01:57:16 before the science
01:57:18 oh yeah yeah otherwise they wouldn’t
01:57:20 have been able to do it at all i mean
01:57:22 it was rotten juice that’s all it was
01:57:25 you know
01:57:26 well i i wouldn’t call it rotten okay
01:57:29 not rotten
01:57:30 studies the the fermentation or the
01:57:34 alcohol process actually
01:57:36 is a preservation process
01:57:39 right not a rotten process because i
01:57:42 mean i just know
01:57:43 the difference is that that one is life
01:57:46 one is one
01:57:47 because i i i don’t like the word rotten
01:57:50 because i know who people who
01:57:52 um want to say that we shouldn’t be
01:57:54 drinking wine with
01:57:55 alcohol say it’s rotten and it’s not
01:57:58 it’s a
01:57:58 preservation it’s a fermentation right
01:58:00 you’re right you’re right
01:58:03 i might be anal but i’m being anal
01:58:05 because of
01:58:06 circumstances and conversations i’ve had
01:58:09 with people how they use that word
01:58:11 so anyways sorry you’re right
01:58:14 you’re you’re right you know i
01:58:18 if the alcohol doesn’t taste
01:58:22 if it tastes off like it might be
01:58:26 corrupt or contaminated you did
01:58:30 something wrong
01:58:31 it’s not that it’s it’s turpentine
01:58:35 uh mine was the i think the
01:58:38 worst part of what when i had buying was
01:58:41 from the cleaning materials that was
01:58:43 still
01:58:44 painter that i was tasting not and
01:58:48 i i don’t think grape juice from
01:58:50 consecrate
01:58:51 helped either frozen consecrate helped
01:58:53 either
01:58:55 so well ultimately it would be best to
01:58:58 get it straight
01:58:59 you know one of the oh i was
01:59:02 i was talking with i don’t remember who
01:59:04 i was talking with but
01:59:06 i think it was my friend she was talking
01:59:08 about
01:59:09 a frost wine with first frost wine
01:59:13 where you leave the grapes on the vine
01:59:16 till the first frost
01:59:19 then you harvest them you make your
01:59:21 juice
01:59:22 you make your wine there’s something
01:59:25 about
01:59:26 the frost that does something to
01:59:31 it does something to the grape sugars
01:59:35 so i i’ve never heard that and i’ve
01:59:38 actually listened to a couple books
01:59:40 on it um which i can share with you
01:59:43 later
01:59:44 um none of them have ever talked about
01:59:46 the frost in fact the professionals
01:59:49 who are like this is their livelihood
01:59:52 they’re
01:59:52 who grow the grapes and then make the
01:59:56 wine
01:59:56 they’re testing the grapes on a regular
01:59:59 basis to find out when the best time
02:00:01 to take it they they don’t wait for
02:00:02 frost
02:00:04 i know they like i said
02:00:07 they develop the art and then they
02:00:10 science the hell out of it
02:00:11 and it’s like and then on top of that
02:00:16 i would also add that at
02:00:19 savvy watt which is um
02:00:22 the feast of pentecost okay for
02:00:26 is more commonly known by
02:00:29 it was after the wine was harvested now
02:00:33 i
02:00:34 i think it’s later than what most people
02:00:36 think is
02:00:37 a pentecost happen and i can give you an
02:00:39 article that a couple articles that talk
02:00:41 about that if you want
02:00:43 but it was after the wine or the grapes
02:00:46 were harvested and started
02:00:47 making into wine and that was before
02:00:51 frost so depending if you’re going to go
02:00:53 biblical
02:00:55 or if you want to go what these
02:00:56 professionals do um
02:00:58 i i don’t see frost being involved in
02:01:02 in these two circumstances now if
02:01:04 someone has their particular taste they
02:01:06 want to do it that way i think it’s fine
02:01:08 right it’s not that it was a i mean the
02:01:12 the whole frost grape
02:01:15 you know frost hitting the grapes thing
02:01:17 is
02:01:18 that’s not necessarily what most
02:01:21 winemakers would
02:01:22 you know most of the mediterranean had
02:01:26 mild you know they they didn’t really
02:01:29 deal with
02:01:29 winter and stuff well i did sometimes
02:01:32 because isaiah talks about snow
02:01:35 but i don’t know how i agree with you i
02:01:37 don’t know how common it was
02:01:38 but i think they had it at times
02:01:43 but either way the israelites
02:01:46 didn’t wait to frost
02:01:55 i mean when it snowed in egypt they were
02:01:58 making a really
02:01:59 big deal about that because it was like
02:02:02 the first time in like
02:02:04 seasons have changed through the years
02:02:06 but right but
02:02:07 i mean there was a time when they had
02:02:11 more
02:02:11 water you know more rainfall than
02:02:15 the amazon but now
02:02:18 it’s like the snow is like rare
02:02:21 once in a 30 year oh sure like where i’m
02:02:24 at right now in argentina
02:02:26 when my wife was growing up they got
02:02:28 snow regularly in the winter
02:02:30 now they hardly ever do and that’s
02:02:33 within a lifetime
02:02:36 weather changes yeah i mean i think i’ve
02:02:39 only seen it
02:02:40 snow here once through all my visits
02:02:42 even before this visit that i’m here
02:02:44 now and and it it didn’t stay a whole
02:02:47 day
02:02:48 so weather changes for areas
02:02:51 i’ve seen it my wife has seen it in her
02:02:54 own lifetime
02:02:55 and i’ve seen it and saw like the snow
02:02:58 was much more when i was a kid in seoul
02:03:00 oh my goodness yes i it
02:03:03 it was i remember you know i grew
02:03:06 i was i’ve been in utah since i was 10
02:03:10 years old
02:03:12 and i
02:03:15 well solidly i’ve been in utah since i
02:03:17 was 10 years old and
02:03:20 it’s the weather i mean it would used to
02:03:23 snow easily two feet
02:03:28 several times in a year but you know
02:03:30 when i was growing up but it’s like now
02:03:34 i mean we don’t even get anything close
02:03:36 to that anymore
02:03:37 i i remember having to shovel the snow
02:03:40 off of our roof so that way it wouldn’t
02:03:42 cave in
02:03:44 and then after shoveling it off i would
02:03:46 jump into the snow because it was so
02:03:47 high it was no concern
02:03:49 right i it’s definitely
02:03:53 weather has changed it’s as simple as
02:03:55 that
02:03:56 but israelites acts 2 is an example of
02:04:00 what i’m talking about with the
02:04:01 israelites
02:04:02 acts 2 is pentecostal
02:04:06 and he’s talking about the new wine and
02:04:09 saying it’s
02:04:10 sometime in the afternoon they haven’t
02:04:12 been drinking their new wine and new
02:04:14 wine is right after the harvest of the
02:04:16 grapes
02:04:17 new wine is after because it’s new
02:04:21 it’s literally new wine because it’s
02:04:23 right after they started
02:04:25 the fermentation process okay
02:04:29 um it’s it’s not what
02:04:32 a lot of people want to attribute to is
02:04:36 grape juice grape juice wasn’t possible
02:04:38 until like
02:04:40 like mid 1800’s when when they
02:04:43 learned to do the um oh sorry
02:04:48 when they had i mean there was grape
02:04:50 juice but it was like
02:04:52 right out of the grape when they
02:04:53 squished it and that was it
02:04:55 you know that they started the
02:04:56 fermentation process
02:04:58 pretty much immediately all right okay
02:05:00 so i guess there was grape juice but
02:05:02 it was like the day or the week right
02:05:06 because yeah i mean once once it started
02:05:09 fermenting
02:05:10 i mean once they squished it it started
02:05:12 fermenting and that was that
02:05:13 yeah because when they squished it the
02:05:15 white stuff on your grapes when you go
02:05:17 to the grocery store is yeast
02:05:19 right and when the yeast mix in it
02:05:22 starts doing its job
02:05:24 and you know the really sad thing is is
02:05:25 that you don’t really find yeast on the
02:05:28 on the grapes in the grocery store very
02:05:31 ice
02:05:32 i mean but
02:05:36 they uh they sterilize the
02:05:39 out of things here yeah that’s true
02:05:42 um but i i remember i mean it wasn’t
02:05:44 that long ago i was in the states i saw
02:05:46 white on the grapes
02:05:47 buying it from the store
02:05:50 i i don’t know maybe you’d have to like
02:05:54 buy a bunch just to let it
02:05:58 age a little bit you need to go buy
02:06:00 something return and report
02:06:02 bree i mean sorry ad
02:06:05 sure it tells us if there’s still the
02:06:07 white dust on the grapes
02:06:09 in the grocery store what i can do i
02:06:11 don’t know last time i bought it i
02:06:13 remember there was still some in there
02:06:15 it’s just the yeast can you remember how
02:06:17 long ago that was
02:06:19 oh what that i was in the states yeah um
02:06:25 maybe three years i think it’s been
02:06:28 about three years
02:06:29 so it hasn’t been there okay that’s my
02:06:32 quick estimate
02:06:33 i’d have to think hard to know for sure
02:06:35 but i think it’s been about three years
02:06:38 uh it’s a little i think it’s been about
02:06:39 two and a half actually thinking about
02:06:41 it a little more but anyways
02:06:43 it hasn’t been too long um
02:06:47 but the last time i bought grapes in the
02:06:50 grocery store there’s
02:06:51 the white stuff on it still right
02:06:54 well white stuff is yeast i’ll take a
02:06:56 look we’ll see i mean they do have
02:06:58 grapes
02:07:00 i’ll put on my yeah you know
02:07:03 i’ll go and buy my grapes that yeast is
02:07:05 enough to start
02:07:06 the wine making process i mean it may
02:07:10 not be the best wine but it’s enough
02:07:12 to make wine right
02:07:15 in fact you know how in the new
02:07:18 testament talks about how
02:07:20 old wineskins can’t hold new wine it’s
02:07:23 because
02:07:24 when you put new wine in right it’s
02:07:26 still fermenting
02:07:27 and it’s expanding it needs to escape
02:07:31 it’s that’s i mean there’s multiple
02:07:33 levels to this
02:07:35 but that is the reason old wineskins
02:07:37 can’t hold new wine
02:07:39 is because of that expanding the old
02:07:42 skins have been
02:07:43 expanded that you can only expand so
02:07:46 far and if they expanded more they would
02:07:48 burst they
02:07:49 literally would break
02:07:55 anyways
02:07:59 the there’s a lot of people who deny
02:08:04 that christ drank wine and then it’s
02:08:07 actually
02:08:08 okay and there’s a lot of little things
02:08:10 like this
02:08:11 they just don’t comprehend because they
02:08:13 don’t grow up with it
02:08:14 i mean i didn’t grow up with the only
02:08:16 reason i know is because i’ve studied it
02:08:18 i’ve heard no i don’t know if it’s true
02:08:21 or not
02:08:22 but i’ve heard some speculation that at
02:08:25 the wedding
02:08:26 that jesus changed the water to wine
02:08:29 was his wedding no it wasn’t or his
02:08:33 brother’s wedding or something
02:08:35 um i don’t know whose
02:08:38 what relationship there was to the
02:08:41 wedding but he went to it
02:08:43 um there’s a recent jesus series that
02:08:47 shows it was a friend
02:08:48 of his of jesus’s mother’s
02:08:52 um i i don’t know who what the
02:08:54 relationship is and i don’t know if
02:08:56 there’s any text
02:08:57 actually shows i don’t believe it was
02:08:58 jesus’s wedding
02:09:01 okay um
02:09:04 but i do think it was a friend of the
02:09:07 mothers
02:09:08 of jesus’s mothers of mary’s uh because
02:09:10 mary wouldn’t ask them
02:09:12 to take care of the problem if
02:09:15 if it wasn’t a friend of marriage why
02:09:17 would she even care
02:09:19 right um that’s a good question i mean
02:09:23 i don’t know why she would care if it
02:09:24 was just a friend i mean i imagine
02:09:26 at that point i think it was a close
02:09:28 friend
02:09:30 i think it was a close friend or maybe a
02:09:31 family member um
02:09:33 but either way i do think
02:09:36 it was someone important to marry
02:09:40 um if it was jesus’s wedding someone
02:09:43 else would have been taking care of the
02:09:44 problem not
02:09:45 jesus because he would be
02:09:48 with the guests and and being the bride
02:09:53 not taking care of the details
02:09:58 when you’re married you don’t take care
02:10:00 of the details at the wedding
02:10:01 someone else is doing that because
02:10:03 you’re there with the guests
02:10:07 i honestly don’t know anyways because
02:10:10 it’s i don’t know the traditions
02:10:12 honestly
02:10:14 well i’m talking about just american
02:10:16 traditions right now oh well american
02:10:19 traditions
02:10:20 yeah oh man oh
02:10:23 my wedding it was such a
02:10:26 blur and a that’s been a while anxiety
02:10:30 attack
02:10:32 sure um but
02:10:35 jewish traditions are somewhat different
02:10:38 but i
02:10:39 i would say that they’re the same in
02:10:41 this case
02:10:42 that they’re not worried about the
02:10:46 details
02:10:48 as the ceremony or the reception is
02:10:50 going on is what this part can be
02:10:53 likened to it’s a little different but
02:10:57 um yeah
02:11:02 hi what’s up
02:11:08 um wine was bad
02:11:11 why would jesus turn water into wine at
02:11:14 a wedding
02:11:15 it’s not it’s fine
02:11:18 i mean in the book of mormon it was
02:11:20 grape juice
02:11:22 oh cool yeah you know what okay so let’s
02:11:25 talk about
02:11:26 i i know you’re being funny but let’s
02:11:28 talk about some of the verses that’s in
02:11:30 this account
02:11:31 i mean i’m taking off the memory that
02:11:33 okay
02:11:34 the one guy that was in charge and
02:11:36 making sure everything was happening
02:11:37 behind the scenes was good he stood up
02:11:39 after he
02:11:40 drank the wine that jesus made and said
02:11:42 this is the best one i ever had
02:11:44 and normally people give the wine at
02:11:47 first the good one when people
02:11:49 aren’t drunk and they have their senses
02:11:51 with him but you
02:11:52 you save the best one after everybody is
02:11:55 drunk and
02:11:56 and less able to to taste the wine
02:11:59 for the last yeah wasn’t he like
02:12:01 personally affronted because they saved
02:12:03 the best for last
02:12:05 uh no he said he was actually i know
02:12:07 that he didn’t they
02:12:09 they had run out and so jesus does the
02:12:11 water to wine thing
02:12:13 and then whoever you’re saying you’re
02:12:15 talking about
02:12:16 i think he was like actually complaining
02:12:19 because it’s like how
02:12:20 how could you wait and why did you wait
02:12:24 did you surf your best last why
02:12:27 no it was someone else that was
02:12:29 complaining and i think
02:12:30 that was actually not scriptural but the
02:12:33 part where he’s saying that you save the
02:12:35 best wine
02:12:36 for last that part is scriptural um
02:12:39 but anyways um we’d have to go read the
02:12:42 account if you really want to
02:12:44 you know for sure because i’m going off
02:12:46 of memory but either way i
02:12:48 i think the main point is if you read
02:12:50 the actual account
02:12:51 it’s obvious it’s alcoholic before and
02:12:54 after
02:12:56 um the only ones that would possibly
02:12:58 deny that
02:12:59 are those who are part of the
02:13:03 um oh no i’m forgetting the word
02:13:06 but those who are trying to make it so
02:13:08 you can’t drink wine
02:13:10 um like the lds church and the
02:13:14 oh what’s the name of the movement oh
02:13:16 it’s it’s escaping me right now
02:13:22 oh my gosh oh anyways
02:13:26 have you seen the okay so the
02:13:30 the church has come out saying
02:13:34 we suggest that you wear masks
02:13:38 members please wear your masks yeah
02:13:42 and every time
02:13:46 one of the more black sheep complain
02:13:49 about it
02:13:51 um they they’ve decided to come up with
02:13:54 this
02:13:56 uh it’s a it’s a
02:13:59 blog somebody wrote about
02:14:02 how to tell when your revelation
02:14:06 is going against authority uh
02:14:09 i think i skimmed that and i only
02:14:12 skimmed it because it was
02:14:13 i shouldn’t look so i shouldn’t look so
02:14:18 i i i i shouldn’t be so
02:14:21 condescending when i say that
02:14:24 um i mean there are some i mean even my
02:14:27 own
02:14:28 relative posted that and i’m like
02:14:32 oh my goodness woman but it’s like
02:14:37 you know i i i went through it actually
02:14:41 and it’s like no i didn’t go through the
02:14:44 the actual
02:14:45 blog but i went to the actual letter
02:14:49 and i actually got you know i went
02:14:52 through the letter
02:14:54 and i read it and i
02:14:57 wrote a comment to it so it wasn’t
02:15:02 it wasn’t my relative but it was even
02:15:05 though my relative elsa posted it
02:15:08 but it was one of my acquaintances
02:15:11 from the previous ward that i lived in
02:15:15 and she posted it and
02:15:19 i just was like look if
02:15:23 this is good for you great if it’s not
02:15:28 it’s okay and
02:15:31 just please don’t turn this into the
02:15:33 coke doctrine
02:15:35 please and she’s like
02:15:42 i was like yes you are would you even
02:15:46 know what the
02:15:46 doctor is oh my gosh
02:15:50 i mean i shouldn’t have to explain the
02:15:52 cup doctrine to anybody who’s lived in
02:15:54 utah i mean i remember in the 90s it was
02:15:57 like
02:15:59 caffeine-free coke was the all the rage
02:16:02 because
02:16:03 you know that was safe because it wasn’t
02:16:06 against the word of wisdom
02:16:10 that’s a discussion in itself and i know
02:16:13 much about
02:16:15 his i think she’s fallen away from the
02:16:18 church at this point
02:16:19 but my sister-in-law was just really
02:16:22 kind of pissed at her neighbors because
02:16:25 she couldn’t go in and get just she
02:16:28 loves pepsi
02:16:29 just regular pepsi you know she loves
02:16:31 pepsi and it was like
02:16:33 every time her neighbors would see her
02:16:36 with her pepsi
02:16:37 they would give her the dirty looks as
02:16:39 if she were like drinking
02:16:40 whiskey you know and it was like oh my
02:16:43 gosh actually
02:16:44 i would argue that whiskey well whiskey
02:16:47 without debatable but wine and beer is
02:16:49 actually more healthy than
02:16:50 coke you’re right you’re right but
02:16:54 you know i mean these people i mean
02:16:57 it’s like the taboo drink you know oh
02:16:59 yeah
02:17:00 i know i i have friends that
02:17:04 wouldn’t won’t drink coke or pepsi
02:17:07 simply because of what the church used
02:17:09 to teach on it
02:17:10 which they stopped teaching it when the
02:17:13 corporations
02:17:14 ask them to stop teaching it which is
02:17:17 just shows that they’re not
02:17:18 inspired and i don’t even know if it was
02:17:22 the fact that
02:17:24 i they gave a lot of free rein to people
02:17:27 and
02:17:27 you know that natural tendency
02:17:31 to build the hedges around the fence
02:17:33 well no
02:17:34 you know the reason the free reign on
02:17:36 coke and pepsi
02:17:37 came about is because the coke and pepsi
02:17:41 came and talked
02:17:42 to the leader at the time that
02:17:44 originally said
02:17:46 don’t drink it they actually originally
02:17:48 said don’t drink it you can find quotes
02:17:51 to that fact but then the companies came
02:17:54 and talked to them about it and then
02:17:57 they changed their mind and that’s why
02:17:58 you can find quotes that say
02:18:00 the opposite it’s because they have said
02:18:03 both the same president i forget who it
02:18:07 was i could look it up and give you a
02:18:08 link that
02:18:09 there’s a a link there’s an article on
02:18:12 think mormon that goes through this
02:18:15 history
02:18:16 pretty well actually and it it
02:18:19 just have to look into it you said that
02:18:22 the site was called think
02:18:23 mormon yeah if you want here let me get
02:18:26 you the link
02:18:27 one one moment
02:18:32 find it for you um i think mormon
02:18:37 has good and bad to it um right i mean
02:18:41 they they’re really good at showing how
02:18:44 the church is wrong
02:18:45 but as in trying to actually really
02:18:47 understand scriptures they’re bad
02:18:49 don’t trust think mormon on that but if
02:18:51 you want to see
02:18:53 how the eldest church has changed things
02:18:55 they’re very good at that
02:18:56 okay well yeah i mean
02:19:03 i honestly don’t know how to interpret
02:19:05 half of some
02:19:06 things but you know it’s like there you
02:19:09 go
02:19:09 this that link has a good history about
02:19:13 the word of wisdom
02:19:14 and the pepsi and and coke uh
02:19:24 they bring out how they actually said
02:19:27 don’t do this
02:19:28 but then the companies came and talked
02:19:30 to them and then they changed their mind
02:19:32 because of the influence of men which
02:19:35 the elders church says their leaders are
02:19:38 influenced by them but this is just
02:19:39 another example of how they are
02:19:41 well you know i’ve heard rumors
02:19:44 that they’re supposed to own a small
02:19:48 percent of certain stocks
02:19:52 and it’s like well
02:19:55 maybe they didn’t
02:19:59 have to buy them maybe it was a donation
02:20:03 you know i’m not completely following
02:20:05 you on what you’re trying to say
02:20:07 so
02:20:11 if i were a coke i would go to
02:20:16 a group of people and say hey
02:20:20 if you quit badmouthing
02:20:23 or maybe push some of my other products
02:20:26 how about i
02:20:27 donate a small amount of stock
02:20:31 to add to your portfolio oh that’s
02:20:34 tax-free
02:20:35 sure well it’s bringing the money
02:20:37 influence into it for sure but i
02:20:40 i i haven’t come across that but i
02:20:42 wouldn’t doubt it
02:20:43 i have come across that they own a good
02:20:45 part of
02:20:46 coke or pepsi i forget which one it is
02:20:49 um i heard that it was actually around
02:20:51 one or two percent if at all if that
02:20:54 uh but i’m actually not as worried about
02:20:58 that
02:20:58 my biggest concern is this is how they
02:21:00 change what they taught
02:21:02 when they got talked to
02:21:05 by these uh people i mean if it’s from
02:21:08 god why are you changing it
02:21:10 uh if depending on what people say
02:21:13 it shouldn’t i i mean they used to teach
02:21:16 that hot chocolate was against the word
02:21:18 of wisdom
02:21:19 and on top of hot chocolate they used to
02:21:21 teach hot soup
02:21:23 hot soup was against the word of wisdom
02:21:26 well you know it technically
02:21:31 a hot drink anything being too hot to
02:21:35 bit in your mouth
02:21:37 really was against the word of wisdom
02:21:39 until it it still is
02:21:41 but the thing is my problem is they
02:21:43 didn’t teach the principle of
02:21:44 temperature they said it was this or
02:21:47 that
02:21:48 not the temperature i agree with you on
02:21:50 the temperature
02:21:52 soup cocoa
02:21:56 right joseph smith
02:21:59 drank tea it’s in his diary
02:22:03 but according to the well he also drank
02:22:05 beer hey
02:22:13 well he it wasn’t just a hotel it was
02:22:15 out of his house
02:22:16 right kick him out if it wasn’t going to
02:22:18 stop but i i just brought up the t one
02:22:21 because it’s related to the hot drinks
02:22:23 right yes he did beer too
02:22:26 there’s so much that the early church
02:22:28 just holds back
02:22:30 which doesn’t all all the only thing the
02:22:32 ld’s church teaches is
02:22:34 modified history and correlated history
02:22:36 they don’t teach real history
02:22:39 untainted okay i need you to define
02:22:41 correlated history
02:22:43 this is a new term for me oh correlated
02:22:46 history is where you only show anything
02:22:48 that goes along with the curve you mean
02:22:51 curated history
02:22:53 where they kind of cherry pick here
02:22:55 cherry pick their cherry pick
02:22:57 that’s what i’m meaning i i i would call
02:23:00 it correlated but i think
02:23:01 um whatever you want to call it’s the
02:23:03 cherry-picking history
02:23:05 gotcha the reason i would say correlated
02:23:07 is because that’s how i’ve heard other
02:23:09 people talk about it and it’s correlated
02:23:11 with what is being taught the current
02:23:14 uh being taught in church right now
02:23:16 that’s the only thing we’ll show
02:23:19 is what supports what’s going on right
02:23:21 now you know
02:23:22 it’s so interesting how history has been
02:23:25 [Music]
02:23:27 changed and erased
02:23:30 history is written by the by the
02:23:33 conqueror
02:23:34 which is what happened in the lds church
02:23:36 brigham young conquered the lds church
02:23:38 and in the official
02:23:41 church history from brigham young’s time
02:23:44 it says that
02:23:45 joe brigham young corrected
02:23:48 history meaning he modified it actually
02:23:52 says that in the
02:23:54 the history of the church
02:23:57 documented history of the church i think
02:23:59 is that the official title anyways
02:24:00 it actually says that brigham young
02:24:04 corrected the history meaning he
02:24:07 modified it
02:24:08 we like our air quotes don’t we well i’m
02:24:11 sorry
02:24:12 do you do it i do it’s like air quotes
02:24:14 well we both know he didn’t correct
02:24:16 it right he he just flat out
02:24:19 modified it i mean he would let
02:24:22 joseph smith his image up really well
02:24:25 shall we say that
02:24:27 yes and the book that
02:24:30 joseph smith mother put out on joseph
02:24:32 smith he wouldn’t let go into utah until
02:24:34 he had it modified
02:24:36 because it was teaching against what he
02:24:39 was doing
02:24:40 it was showing the truth and exposing
02:24:43 his lies and
02:24:44 heirs and he didn’t like that so he
02:24:46 wouldn’t let it be in utah
02:24:48 he also didn’t like the jst because it
02:24:51 exposed his lies and his heirs
02:24:57 i’m going to actually have to take my
02:24:58 earphones off because i need to get up
02:25:01 okay can you still hear me yeah i can
02:25:03 hear i just have it on because
02:25:05 i i don’t want to be too loud for
02:25:08 where i’m at that’s understandable i
02:25:11 just need to get up
02:25:22 sure
02:25:29 so i i
02:25:32 so there was a group back a long time
02:25:35 ago someone created a facebook
02:25:37 group called uncorrelated mormons
02:25:41 uh he he got sick of it so he let me run
02:25:43 it for a while
02:25:44 and so which me basically means you know
02:25:48 uncherry picked right just everything
02:25:52 not just the stuff that they teach you
02:25:53 at church that makes the church look
02:25:55 good
02:25:56 uh i don’t run anymore but i i had
02:25:59 someone else
02:26:00 become an admin before i like before i
02:26:02 left
02:26:03 because i was just sick of that i wanted
02:26:06 to focus on other things
02:26:07 but it just recall it goes along with
02:26:09 the correlated
02:26:10 i was bringing out how uncorrelated
02:26:12 mormon facebook group
02:26:14 um would talk about
02:26:17 anything and everything i i well
02:26:21 it pretty much just died though
02:26:25 oh hey speaking of um
02:26:28 history alterations more stuff
02:26:32 happened between the the first time when
02:26:34 i talked to you
02:26:36 about how i was seeing
02:26:41 a i’ll use the word correlation
02:26:46 between revelations and the
02:26:49 events surrounding corona
02:26:54 and um
02:26:56 [Music]
02:26:57 it was really interesting that the focus
02:27:02 uh of the riots
02:27:06 um really started taking a
02:27:12 a just a they just started going crazy
02:27:16 about the statues they wanted to remove
02:27:18 the statues
02:27:20 and um it talks about
02:27:26 that it’s like right in there
02:27:31 about the the napoleon
02:27:35 uh wave and the
02:27:39 um next more deadly
02:27:42 um wave
02:27:46 what is it um there are
02:27:49 there it talks about how man
02:27:53 refused to repent
02:27:57 uh and destroy his idols of stone
02:28:01 of brass of gold
02:28:06 oh uh i
02:28:10 i i see what you’re saying but
02:28:13 riley bronze but the fact of the
02:28:16 you know these if these are idols of
02:28:18 stone
02:28:20 bronze and gold that’s statues
02:28:24 and i’m not saying that we should
02:28:26 destroy them or not but it is
02:28:28 interesting well so idols are more than
02:28:31 just statues those
02:28:32 idols are things that you give um
02:28:36 sacrifices to and say do this for me
02:28:40 a big difference between worshipping an
02:28:42 idol and worshiping
02:28:43 yahweh is the relationship where idols
02:28:47 you just give something to hope that you
02:28:49 give something to get something
02:28:51 in yahweh you want it’s it’s a
02:28:54 relationship
02:28:55 you get to know each other it’s not just
02:28:57 give for take or tit for tat
02:28:59 where these statues that are may or may
02:29:03 not get destroyed
02:29:04 right there people aren’t bringing
02:29:06 sacrifices to them to get something
02:29:09 back so i i i don’t know if i would put
02:29:12 it in
02:29:13 that but they are statues i mean they’re
02:29:16 they’re not
02:29:18 they’re not gods in our understanding of
02:29:21 god’s
02:29:22 little gene um
02:29:26 and certainly they’re not being
02:29:27 sacrificed as what we understand as
02:29:30 sacrifice
02:29:32 but they are put up
02:29:35 as a way of honor
02:29:40 to honor or
02:29:43 to terrorize um
02:29:46 [Music]
02:29:47 this is you know according to different
02:29:51 uh sure i i can see where you’re going
02:29:54 but i i think
02:29:54 the bigger issue especially revelations
02:29:58 and because
02:30:02 i i see i mean we have to go read the
02:30:04 verses to know for context but without
02:30:06 reading the verses that you’re referring
02:30:07 to i would think the idols have to do
02:30:09 more with
02:30:10 false worship than it does with these
02:30:13 statues so without getting into details
02:30:16 it’s hard to say one way or the other
02:30:20 you give me a sec
02:30:30 but i would say that i watched um
02:30:34 i think it’s called they live it’s an
02:30:36 old
02:30:37 movie i don’t know if you know what i’m
02:30:39 referring to
02:30:41 uh let me see if i can get a link hold
02:30:44 on then um but it’s an old video
02:30:47 some a lot of times you see a clip of it
02:30:49 where they have the
02:30:51 shades where you look through the shades
02:30:53 and it sees something different on the
02:30:54 billboard and then
02:30:56 without the shadow oh yeah i i know
02:30:59 i don’t know what movie that was i’ve
02:31:01 never seen it
02:31:02 but i’ve seen the memes of it every once
02:31:04 in a while yeah
02:31:06 it’s it’s they live um
02:31:10 but i watched it recently um
02:31:14 cut the recommendation of some other
02:31:15 people on facebook
02:31:18 and there’s parts of it that go pretty
02:31:20 close to
02:31:21 what’s going on right now
02:31:26 yeah okay kiddo hold i’m gonna pause
02:31:30 okay all right so you found the the
02:31:32 chapter in the verse
02:31:33 yeah revelations 9 verse 20
02:31:37 and it says and the rest of man
02:31:41 which were not killed by these plagues
02:31:43 yet repented not of the works of their
02:31:45 hands
02:31:46 that they should not worship devils and
02:31:48 idols of gold of
02:31:49 silver and brass and stone and of wood
02:31:52 which neither can see
02:31:53 nor hear nor walk
02:31:57 so this is i’m gonna go off of what i
02:32:00 see on it
02:32:00 especially since they talk about that
02:32:02 they did not repent
02:32:05 that they’re talking not of these
02:32:07 statues
02:32:08 but of their wicked ways
02:32:12 um
02:32:15 and idols that um have to do with
02:32:18 um doing evil like moloch
02:32:21 uh things like that so in fact along
02:32:25 those lines
02:32:26 um planned parenthood
02:32:30 malloc wanted you to sacrifice your
02:32:33 children
02:32:33 to it right what is planned parenthood
02:32:38 well certainly a it’s
02:32:41 human trafficking on the highest level
02:32:44 uh
02:32:44 i don’t know if i would call it
02:32:46 trafficking because it’s murder
02:32:48 trafficking in i mean it’s not living
02:32:52 but you’re trafficking human parts
02:32:56 oh sounds sure the dead part yeah i okay
02:32:59 i
02:32:59 agree with that part i i guess i just
02:33:01 think trafficking i think
02:33:03 living more but yes they’re selling the
02:33:05 the baby body parts
02:33:07 yeah which are going into vaccines right
02:33:11 yeah so um
02:33:13 [Music]
02:33:14 there are identified
02:33:18 um aborted fetal tissue in certain va
02:33:22 in probably a good chunk of a lot of the
02:33:26 vaccines nowadays but
02:33:28 um not all fetal tissue
02:33:32 actually goes towards vaccines a lot of
02:33:34 it
02:33:35 goes towards other things like
02:33:38 facial scrubs uh
02:33:42 i didn’t know facial scrubs but i sadly
02:33:44 don’t doubt it
02:33:46 uh i know some it some of it goes into
02:33:50 food
02:33:50 uh some food yeah it’s
02:33:53 but like organs and um
02:33:57 you know they’ll do organ transplants
02:34:00 and they’ll do they’ll use
02:34:04 them the flesh for like studies
02:34:07 for like chemicals and diseases
02:34:11 and and all these other you know
02:34:14 the the experiments that are technically
02:34:17 not supposed to happen on humans
02:34:19 they’ll just do it to dead humans
02:34:21 because well
02:34:22 they’re dead but how do they
02:34:25 anyways how does the experiments work if
02:34:28 they’re
02:34:29 dead anyways i i i don’t want to go into
02:34:32 that
02:34:33 but okay no problem but my my point is
02:34:37 is that’s more of an idol that i think
02:34:39 that they have not
02:34:41 repented of i mean well i mean
02:34:44 the issues with the black life matters
02:34:46 right they’re not going into planned
02:34:48 parenthood
02:34:48 and planned parenthood really quick oh
02:34:51 okay
02:34:52 speaking of your planned parenthood
02:34:55 verse 21 neither repented they of their
02:34:58 murders
02:34:59 nor of their sorceries nor of their
02:35:01 fornication
02:35:03 nor of their thefts yeah i would say
02:35:05 that fits into that also
02:35:07 yeah probably more so
02:35:11 uh i i don’t know about more so or not
02:35:15 but because moloch
02:35:18 what did molek have his followers do
02:35:22 well the priest anyways because moloka’s
02:35:25 made up right
02:35:26 um they they sacrificed their babies
02:35:30 to moloch to an idol
02:35:34 to to wood or stone idol or whatever it
02:35:38 was made out of
02:35:38 right you know
02:35:42 i i actually
02:35:46 don’t know a lot about
02:35:50 i’ve heard about
02:35:53 the sardis
02:35:57 sacrifices and that’s where the term
02:35:59 sardonic smile comes from
02:36:03 but generally speaking i
02:36:06 really don’t know a lot about the
02:36:08 sacrifices of moloch other than it was a
02:36:10 lot of
02:36:11 something about passing through a fire
02:36:15 uh yeah well
02:36:19 it’s maybe not a fun subject
02:36:22 but it depends on which false calls you
02:36:26 want to talk to and whatnot but molok
02:36:29 is famous for having
02:36:32 its worshippers sacrifice the babies to
02:36:36 it
02:36:36 um some
02:36:42 some temple priests they would
02:36:46 get harlots have sex with the harlots
02:36:50 so they would have babies and then the
02:36:53 babies
02:36:54 uh nine months later were then
02:36:56 sacrificed
02:36:57 to the false gods that
02:37:02 easter you know why they’re red eggs
02:37:05 is because it’s representative of the
02:37:07 blood of the babies that were killed
02:37:09 that’s where the red for easter comes
02:37:11 from it’s not christ’s blood
02:37:14 i’ve actually never associated red with
02:37:16 easter but i
02:37:18 don’t have any reason to doubt you uh i
02:37:21 i can give you if you want to get into
02:37:23 it i can give you
02:37:24 my resource page that gets in some of
02:37:26 these things about easter and other
02:37:29 sure holidays which
02:37:32 the catholic church has christianized to
02:37:35 make them holy
02:37:36 which they’re not right
02:37:43 it’s not a fun subjects it’s
02:37:47 if you would like to go to a more
02:37:50 inspiring subject we can certainly do
02:37:52 that too
02:37:56 i don’t mind getting into the details
02:37:58 it’s just it’s not my favorite
02:38:00 and it’s not yeah i’m not an expert on
02:38:03 but i know tidbits here and there i
02:38:05 i know enough that i don’t like the
02:38:08 typical holidays
02:38:09 uh like easter christmas and
02:38:12 halloween i don’t like and i avoid them
02:38:15 as much as i can
02:38:18 [Music]
02:38:25 but yeah i’d rather do a more uh
02:38:27 spiritual subject
02:38:29 than that but um i do we could just look
02:38:32 at the
02:38:34 the revelations though but oh
02:38:38 speaking of revelation six
02:38:49 gotta let it load first one
02:38:52 moment while i fix the screen here
02:38:59 so chapter
02:39:02 three oh three okay no sorry six chapter
02:39:06 six
02:39:06 verse two um
02:39:10 and i saw now this is again back to
02:39:13 corona i’m sorry it’s just no that’s
02:39:15 that’s fine
02:39:19 it’s uh relevant right now right so
02:39:22 that’s fine
02:39:23 right and i saw and behold
02:39:26 a white horse and he that sat on him
02:39:30 had a bow and a crown was given unto him
02:39:35 and the reason i find this interesting
02:39:39 was corona viruses are called
02:39:43 corona because of the crown-like nodules
02:39:50 and corona means crown so right
02:39:54 uh yeah and but he went forth conquering
02:39:58 and to conquer i know some right i think
02:40:00 this white horse is
02:40:02 so represents christ but this one’s not
02:40:05 actually when you when i okay i know
02:40:08 wikipedia is not the expert
02:40:12 but when i’ve gone to wikipedia
02:40:16 and to a few other sources um
02:40:19 a lot of people assume that the white
02:40:22 the the writer of the white horse
02:40:25 represents
02:40:26 plagues okay
02:40:34 uh i know some people i think the writer
02:40:36 the this white horse is christ and
02:40:38 that’s
02:40:39 not the case of course you know
02:40:43 i can’t imagine christ being
02:40:47 a hunter and
02:40:50 the weapon that this you know so this
02:40:53 person has two
02:40:54 items a bow and a crown
02:41:00 and it you know the thing about the bow
02:41:04 is that it makes it what
02:41:07 air a projectile
02:41:11 therefore an air weapon huh i can see
02:41:15 that
02:41:15 sure and
02:41:21 yeah well i i mean so
02:41:26 i don’t believe this but just to help
02:41:27 you understand some other people’s
02:41:29 perspective
02:41:31 sure because i don’t believe this writer
02:41:33 on this white horse is christ
02:41:36 but bo in other places in the scriptures
02:41:40 has reference to
02:41:41 torah who gave us the torah christ
02:41:45 in fact he was the perfect follower
02:41:47 because the bow in shooting the arrow
02:41:50 is hitting the mark the mark
02:41:53 is torah his law
02:41:56 and so those who want to go down that
02:41:58 line they can they can
02:42:00 find some justifications are you talking
02:42:03 about the straight and narrow path
02:42:05 uh no but that’s related to it
02:42:09 but um no the the
02:42:12 the bow and the arrow have to do with
02:42:14 torah uh because it’s the mark
02:42:18 the way that we need to be or the seal
02:42:20 to use a better term in this
02:42:22 um analogy here because
02:42:25 there’s the mark of the beast or the
02:42:27 mark or seal of
02:42:28 of god they’re both marks
02:42:31 it’s just generally speaking we use
02:42:33 slightly different words but it’s the
02:42:35 same basic idea
02:42:37 um but a bow and an arrow have to do
02:42:41 with hitting
02:42:42 the target the mark and right in the
02:42:45 right spot
02:42:46 and another interesting i mean i i
02:42:50 i get what you’re saying i’m agreeing
02:42:51 with what you’re saying
02:42:53 but i don’t think that applies here i’m
02:42:55 just trying to help you
02:42:56 understand right this is a potential
02:43:00 and another thing is that uh there’s a
02:43:03 reference in
02:43:05 um dnc don’t ask me where
02:43:08 please don’t ask me but it’s like
02:43:11 so you know in jesus time
02:43:15 in the new testament he’s like you’re
02:43:17 going to be fishers of men
02:43:19 and then in the dnc there is a reference
02:43:22 to
02:43:22 [Music]
02:43:23 being hunters of men
02:43:27 the fishing’s over now you’re hunters of
02:43:30 men
02:43:31 not necessarily to kill them but as a
02:43:33 way of
02:43:36 well seeking them out right let’s
02:43:39 see let’s see if we can find that
02:43:40 because that that’s that one’s a little
02:43:42 curious to me
02:43:43 and i’m not a dnc expert and it
02:43:47 i think it kind of refers back to
02:43:50 so in in some of the older in some of
02:43:53 the oldest
02:43:54 um
02:43:55 [Music]
02:44:00 archetypes of you know
02:44:06 arrow like i was talking about right
02:44:08 because
02:44:09 i mean the the the hunter has
02:44:12 well depending on the pictures the way
02:44:15 you’re looking at it
02:44:16 um he pulls his bow
02:44:19 right and hunts with the arch and that
02:44:22 goes into an
02:44:23 archetype of the polar configuration um
02:44:26 right there and so i’d want to see the
02:44:30 context a little more because
02:44:32 i think there’s some justification for
02:44:35 it but
02:44:35 um i mean
02:44:38 talks about how we should thrust in our
02:44:40 sickle which
02:44:42 makes people like wheat and i don’t
02:44:45 think it negates and says one or the
02:44:47 other is no longer the case
02:44:49 it’s just trying to give some imagery to
02:44:51 help a particular person
02:44:53 understand what he needs to do which
02:44:55 then we hopefully can learn from
02:44:57 too because it was recorded in
02:44:59 scriptures right
02:45:01 i don’t think they’re contradicting or
02:45:02 saying something different it’s just
02:45:04 using no right imagery is how i would
02:45:06 take it initially
02:45:08 i mean it’s there’s there’s times when
02:45:15 so in the index to the triple i don’t
02:45:18 see
02:45:18 hunter but i also know that the index
02:45:21 doesn’t have all words so let me get my
02:45:23 program to search which just searches
02:45:26 everything
02:45:28 oh no there there’s a lot of stuff
02:45:30 that’s not in
02:45:31 the index i know
02:45:34 i think some are just because they’re
02:45:36 men in other cases i think it was on
02:45:38 purpose
02:45:39 to be honest um yeah probably
02:45:42 because it’s really hard to find some
02:45:44 things but
02:45:45 um so i think it’s a mixture the
02:45:49 interesting thing is is that um
02:45:51 [Music]
02:45:54 like nimrod now
02:45:57 he was a hunter yes and he’s also
02:46:01 so um
02:46:03 [Music]
02:46:05 only i i mostly use
02:46:09 the king james bible
02:46:12 so that’s fine um but
02:46:16 one interesting thing that was that i
02:46:18 found was that
02:46:20 um he’s one of the first
02:46:24 outside of the patriarchal line to be
02:46:27 described as
02:46:29 a man of god where
02:46:34 oh my goodness i’m gonna call you on
02:46:36 that one
02:46:39 you might have to call me on that one
02:46:41 well i am i’m doing it right now
02:46:49 of course what which god
02:46:52 i can say that anyways
02:46:56 um oh i want no no
02:46:59 this way
02:47:04 oh
02:47:38 so there is no first in the dnc that
02:47:42 uses the word hunter
02:47:44 okay what about hunt okay let me try
02:48:00 that
02:48:02 uh so there’s three verses in the dnc
02:48:05 that use hunt
02:48:06 um so when you’re ready i can give them
02:48:08 to you and we can look at them
02:48:14 oh i oops i think i spelled something
02:48:16 wrong never mind
02:48:19 hold on let me do that again
02:48:22 it would help if i spell things
02:48:24 correctly
02:48:29 hi so let me start all over with hunter
02:48:32 sorry
02:48:42 hey
02:48:45 okay so there’s still no verse in the
02:48:48 dnc that says hunter
02:48:50 um let me do hunt now
02:48:54 now that i spelled it correctly
02:48:58 at least i’m being honest right i’m not
02:49:01 trying to cover my sins
02:49:03 [Music]
02:49:08 uh and there’s no uh verse in the dnc
02:49:11 that says hunt
02:49:16 oh okay i was wrong
02:49:19 somewhat somewhat okay i don’t know
02:49:22 exactly how you would interpret this
02:49:24 all right well what’s the verse and
02:49:25 let’s look at it genesis 10
02:49:28 verse 9 he was a mighty hunter before
02:49:32 the lord
02:49:34 wherefore it is said even as nimrod the
02:49:37 mighty hunter before the lord
02:49:41 uh so before the lord that i
02:49:44 why well first of all it doesn’t say
02:49:48 he’s a man of god no you’re right
02:49:52 you’re right but it is interesting that
02:49:57 um usually when people
02:50:00 are described as something you know
02:50:03 before the lord
02:50:06 isn’t that
02:50:10 paragon stuff did you say that one more
02:50:13 time
02:50:14 isn’t that paragon stuff paragon i don’t
02:50:18 know what you mean by paragon
02:50:22 the purest example of oh purists uh
02:50:28 i don’t know let’s
02:50:31 here what i’ll do let’s go find out all
02:50:33 here let me
02:50:34 give you the verses from the other one
02:50:37 for oh no there were none
02:50:39 hold on wait a minute or what did i last
02:50:42 yeah there’s no verse in the dnc it says
02:50:45 hunt
02:50:45 or hunter so let me find
02:50:49 all instances in the scriptures before
02:50:52 the lord
02:50:56 because i’ll just put my little program
02:51:04 extra stuff that they like to put
02:51:07 and let’s look at some examples because
02:51:10 that’s not something
02:51:11 i’m familiar with but let’s find out oh
02:51:14 there’s a lot
02:51:18 so what program do you use uh one that i
02:51:21 made
02:51:22 but i’d give it out for free um i’ll
02:51:25 give you a link to it
02:51:26 yes please so what scriptures does it
02:51:30 search does it like do the
02:51:32 the online um
02:51:34 [Music]
02:51:36 what database does it use uh it uses the
02:51:40 lds gospel um
02:51:43 database there are some
02:51:47 chapters or sections in the dnc that i
02:51:49 won’t
02:51:50 search uh simply because i don’t believe
02:51:53 they’re
02:51:53 from god okay
02:51:58 but it searches most of them in the link
02:52:00 it tells you which ones and it’s mostly
02:52:02 the later ones
02:52:03 that i that brigham young put in or
02:52:07 modified
02:52:07 stuff like that like dnc 132 right
02:52:11 that’s not from god through joseph
02:52:13 that’s
02:52:14 brigham young there’s a few of those
02:52:17 so the ones i know of i i completely
02:52:20 exclude
02:52:21 um it’s text based
02:52:24 so it’s not user friendly i want to make
02:52:27 a more user-friendly one
02:52:29 but i i just don’t have the time
02:52:32 but i’m happy to help you learn how to
02:52:34 use it
02:52:38 okay that’s gonna i’m here you’re you
02:52:41 just signed up for a
02:52:42 big thing here uh where do i need to put
02:52:45 it
02:52:45 where do i click on or is it i just
02:52:49 copy it to something yeah so you just
02:52:52 you download it and it’s a zip file and
02:52:54 you unzip it somewhere you can run it
02:52:58 um you have to have uh
02:53:01 lds gospel library on first so the
02:53:03 gospel library
02:53:05 because it won’t download it it’ll just
02:53:08 use it
02:53:10 i i need to do an update which i hope to
02:53:13 do
02:53:14 uh monday or tuesday so
02:53:17 i’ll remind you on wednesday to download
02:53:20 it because
02:53:22 they they changed how they store the
02:53:25 text for the book of mormon
02:53:27 so if you download it right now it’ll
02:53:30 search everything but the book of mormon
02:53:32 because they changed how they stored the
02:53:34 text it’s searching it but they changed
02:53:37 the
02:53:37 some of the technical details on how
02:53:39 they’re storing the text
02:53:40 right so unless you have an old copy of
02:53:43 the library
02:53:45 it won’t search the book of mormon i
02:53:46 have an old copy and so i’m searching it
02:53:49 from there
02:53:50 where i recently noticed i couldn’t
02:53:52 search the book of mormon i looked into
02:53:54 it it’s because they changed
02:53:56 how they’re storing the text how they’re
02:53:59 doing the hyper markup
02:54:00 which you have no idea what that means
02:54:02 so i’ll just leave it at that
02:54:04 it’s the linking that sends it from page
02:54:07 to page isn’t it
02:54:08 uh yeah kind of but this has more to do
02:54:11 with how they
02:54:12 uh do the bold and mark the text where a
02:54:15 verse starts and stuff like that
02:54:18 um so i need to do an update to fix that
02:54:22 with the current
02:54:23 library so i’ll remind you when to go
02:54:27 download it and then i can help you
02:54:29 learn how to use it
02:54:30 okay i i it still works for me because i
02:54:34 i saved an old version of their library
02:54:37 um so but there are
02:54:42 quite a few cases of where that phrase
02:54:45 is found before the lord
02:54:48 um i will send it to you in messenger
02:54:52 right now
02:54:53 okay um and we can look at them
02:54:58 or not it’s just there’s a lot so i
02:55:01 don’t know how to pick one out
02:55:03 right off so okay i guess just click and
02:55:05 then click then click
02:55:06 i think there’s a lot of them
02:55:12 oh is i can’t send it to you because the
02:55:15 message is too long
02:55:16 message me your email address and i’ll
02:55:18 email it to you
02:55:19 okay um because there there’s a lot
02:55:48 i’m just i i can’t give an answer
02:55:50 because that’s not
02:55:51 a phrase that i have studied myself
02:55:58 um so there did you get the email
02:56:03 i did well i don’t know if i got the
02:56:05 email but i did give you my email let me
02:56:07 go check my email
02:56:08 oh okay
02:56:52 um real quick if i’m doing
02:56:55 my math right there’s like
02:56:58 400 and oh that’s
02:57:02 way too many but it seems like at least
02:57:04 from the first
02:57:05 five or six that i’ve been reading that
02:57:09 before the lord could be considered a
02:57:13 statement of
02:57:15 the lord is the witness of or as the
02:57:18 witness of the lord
02:57:21 this is a true fact you know
02:57:24 um it feels almost like a
02:57:28 court room like you’re before the judge
02:57:32 or something
02:57:34 uh okay i could see that um
02:57:37 because i’m just looking at a couple too
02:57:39 that’s interesting the one that you
02:57:41 brought up is the first instance of it
02:57:42 right
02:57:43 genesis 9 or 10 9 and there was 13
02:57:47 10 and lot lifted up his eyes and beheld
02:57:50 the
02:57:50 plan plane of jordan and it was watered
02:57:54 very
02:57:54 well before the lord destroys sodom and
02:57:57 gomorrah even as the garden
02:57:58 of the lord like the land of egypt
02:58:01 as thou cometh unto sohar zor
02:58:09 but the men of sodom were wicked and
02:58:11 sinners before
02:58:12 the lord so meaning god saw it right
02:58:16 right 18 22 men turned their faces from
02:58:20 fence and went towards sodom but
02:58:22 abraham stood yet before the lord
02:58:25 god saw that abraham didn’t
02:58:28 do the ways of sodom gomorrah i
02:58:32 yeah i don’t think it’s saying that
02:58:34 they’re they’re good it’s just he’s
02:58:36 a witness i mean the book of mormon even
02:58:39 brings out how
02:58:39 nimi nimrod was a good hunter
02:58:43 right but he must have been a fantastic
02:58:47 hunter
02:58:48 [Music]
02:58:49 sure for the lord to notice him
02:58:53 well i think the lord notices everybody
02:58:57 but uh he must have been
02:59:00 but the fact that this is what’s being
02:59:02 focused on about him
02:59:04 i think brings out he was a very good
02:59:06 hunter
02:59:07 right and this is what is talked about
02:59:10 of him
02:59:11 not his other aspects right
02:59:16 um but yeah there’s a lot in here
02:59:18 there’s like
02:59:20 over 200
02:59:23 cases and i don’t want to look it up but
02:59:25 the first the couple that we looked at i
02:59:27 don’t think it means that it was good
02:59:30 right witnessed it
02:59:36 um so i i just i
02:59:39 from what i know of nimrod and how he
02:59:42 started babylon
02:59:43 right at least
02:59:46 in his later part of his years he was
02:59:48 not a good man
02:59:53 i do think he wasn’t looking to do it
02:59:57 initially but then the people looked at
02:59:59 him to be a leader
03:00:00 and then i think it evolved into that
03:00:03 because he didn’t
03:00:04 stand up for what is right but he stood
03:00:06 up for he just
03:00:07 took it as it came to him and he just
03:00:10 did what was easy
03:00:13 rather than setting up for what is right
03:00:18 you know the whole
03:00:23 thing about doing the easy thing
03:00:25 [Music]
03:00:28 that seems like such a
03:00:31 misnomer sometimes i mean it’s not to
03:00:34 say that it
03:00:36 is harder you know i mean obviously it’s
03:00:40 not harder than
03:00:42 the right you know but
03:00:45 well you know a person who actually has
03:00:48 an inkling of what they’re doing
03:00:51 and they’re doing the wrong thing anyway
03:00:54 um
03:00:54 [Music]
03:00:57 you know i’ve been in that position
03:00:59 before and
03:01:01 it it’s like
03:01:05 dipping your soul in acid it oh
03:01:08 sure wait i i
03:01:11 i’ve done things uh when i knew better
03:01:15 and
03:01:15 i i felt the difference after right a
03:01:18 loss of spirit or connection to god
03:01:21 um but
03:01:25 we do it and some people
03:01:28 will repent and then change their ways
03:01:30 and try to do better
03:01:31 next time where others just like yeah
03:01:34 i don’t care this is what i want right
03:01:38 yeah i think nimrod is an example
03:01:42 of a person who
03:01:45 deliberately made a decision that he
03:01:47 wanted what he could get more than his
03:01:49 relationship with god
03:01:52 in fact i mean even just the tower shows
03:01:54 that he didn’t trust
03:01:55 god because they did a tower so that way
03:01:59 they couldn’t get flooded
03:02:00 again but god promised that he wouldn’t
03:02:03 flood the whole world again so they
03:02:04 didn’t they didn’t take god for his word
03:02:06 they didn’t believe god
03:02:16 i you’re right i think there’s more to
03:02:19 it
03:02:20 but that’s one of the reasons they bring
03:02:22 out in the account right
03:02:24 that they did it so that god couldn’t
03:02:27 drown them again but god already
03:02:29 promised he wasn’t going to do that
03:02:31 again
03:02:33 it’s i think what happened
03:02:37 was a necessary move i mean you know i
03:02:41 mean
03:02:43 referring to like the
03:02:47 the electric universe theory
03:02:51 okay um
03:02:52 [Music]
03:02:54 it was something that had to be done
03:02:58 that that you know i mean this
03:03:02 planetary system is a
03:03:05 system it is a living system
03:03:09 that we’re partying you know i mean
03:03:12 living things are part of us
03:03:14 and we’re part of the brand god directs
03:03:17 it
03:03:17 though oh i’m not arguing that i’m just
03:03:20 saying
03:03:21 things there’s i think there’s in the
03:03:24 world there’s natural consequences or
03:03:25 you know
03:03:26 um a lot with science studies
03:03:30 possibly right because i i like the
03:03:33 electric
03:03:33 universe model much more than the
03:03:37 standard model which has tons of
03:03:38 problems right but anyways
03:03:40 verses and there’s times where god just
03:03:43 steps in and
03:03:44 causes something to happen right so
03:03:46 there’s there’s both in play
03:03:49 here well i mean if you go
03:03:52 by what it has to say in the book of
03:03:54 mormon that
03:03:55 god works with the rules you know
03:04:00 he established the rules and he works
03:04:02 with the rules and he doesn’t break the
03:04:03 rules otherwise that undoes
03:04:06 well what rules because god walked on
03:04:09 water i can’t do that
03:04:12 god brought people back from the dead
03:04:14 you know
03:04:15 it’s one of those things where
03:04:18 i and god intervenes
03:04:23 god intervenes at times and other times
03:04:25 he doesn’t you can see that in the book
03:04:27 of mormon too
03:04:28 it’s one of those things where
03:04:32 i my understanding isn’t his
03:04:35 understanding
03:04:36 you know i mean you’re talking all the
03:04:38 way up here
03:04:40 you have to get the microscope you know
03:04:43 and just because i have an understanding
03:04:46 of the roles doesn’t mean that
03:04:49 i understand the rules and
03:04:53 well okay along with god doesn’t break
03:04:55 the rules i completely agree with that
03:04:58 um but i i think
03:05:02 as with regards to the plan or streaming
03:05:04 the flood um
03:05:07 did it have to happen
03:05:10 no in my opinion did god know it’s going
03:05:13 to happen
03:05:14 yeah i mean the snake bites in
03:05:18 in the wilderness with from torah and
03:05:21 exodus
03:05:24 god let it happen because
03:05:27 the israelites weren’t listening to him
03:05:29 so he took away his
03:05:31 protection until that point god was
03:05:33 protecting them
03:05:34 against the elements like the snakes
03:05:37 but then when they decided they weren’t
03:05:40 going to follow god and they’re going to
03:05:42 reject him that’s when he took away his
03:05:45 protection
03:05:46 and that’s when the snakes came well
03:05:50 you know
03:05:54 and so that shows that god intervenes he
03:05:57 protected
03:05:59 it them if it teaches if we keep his
03:06:02 commandments he’ll fight our battles
03:06:05 is that just an idol saying or is that
03:06:07 true personally i believe that’s true
03:06:09 he will fight for us if we keep his
03:06:12 commandments
03:06:19 i just don’t have the vernacular
03:06:23 right at the moment to say what i want
03:06:25 to say
03:06:26 it’s like right there behind my head
03:06:30 you know it’s like right there behind my
03:06:33 eyes it just can’t
03:06:35 articulate you want to try or
03:06:45 no okay
03:06:48 i i will be honest though there i see
03:06:51 cases in the
03:06:52 in the scriptures where sometimes he
03:06:54 steps in and sometimes he doesn’t
03:06:57 right but i think
03:07:01 humans there is something to
03:07:05 genetic memory and
03:07:10 the experience
03:07:13 of so many i mean when you’re home
03:07:18 when most of your relatives were like
03:07:20 wiped
03:07:22 from the face of the earth you know
03:07:25 um oh i i’m sure they were scared and i
03:07:28 i’m sure that they felt like they had a
03:07:29 good reason
03:07:30 for it it’s hard to trust
03:07:35 when there’s fear oh sure especially
03:07:39 someone who you can’t see right on top
03:07:42 of that
03:07:43 yeah or or comprehend it’s like
03:07:46 i mean you know i think the only person
03:07:49 at that time
03:07:50 was i don’t even know his name it’s
03:07:52 there somewhere it’s in the it’s in the
03:07:54 history somewhere but like the brother
03:07:56 of jared
03:07:57 was like what one of the only
03:08:00 one of the few people who saw
03:08:04 a pre you know manifest
03:08:07 a pre physical manifestation
03:08:12 of you know the lord and
03:08:15 [Music]
03:08:16 for sure i mean there’s not even many
03:08:18 people that see
03:08:20 postmortal right resurrected jesus
03:08:24 i haven’t um i think there’s more people
03:08:28 i think there’s more people that claim
03:08:30 to see them that haven’t
03:08:32 than actually have well i don’t know i
03:08:35 i might be exaggerating on that but i
03:08:37 think you get the point that there’s
03:08:38 tons of people that claim it
03:08:40 but when personally when i look at some
03:08:42 of the things that they say and teach
03:08:44 it shows that they haven’t there’s a
03:08:47 in was it first john i can find it if
03:08:50 you want but it basically says
03:08:52 that if they’re teaching against the
03:08:55 commandments
03:08:55 and they say that they’ve seen god
03:08:57 they’re liars
03:09:00 and that was written after the
03:09:01 resurrection i think it’s in first john
03:09:04 i can get it for you if you want it um
03:09:07 yeah i actually would be i’ll i’ll be
03:09:11 able to like
03:09:13 find it myself okay well i’m happy to
03:09:16 give it to you if you want
03:09:19 but back to the the flood
03:09:22 um i i since you bring out the
03:09:25 electronic universe i do believe
03:09:28 some of the water of the flood came from
03:09:31 saturn
03:09:32 all right in fact um
03:09:35 the thunderbolts project group has shown
03:09:39 that the water
03:09:40 on earth and saturn are
03:09:44 much more similar than the mainstream
03:09:48 science claim even if i remember
03:09:50 correctly even to the fact that it’s the
03:09:52 same
03:09:53 and if that’s the case wouldn’t
03:09:57 it mean that it came from the same place
03:09:59 like from saturn like the flood
03:10:02 um anyways there
03:10:06 uh i i don’t think it all came from
03:10:08 saturn
03:10:09 i think some of it came from the earth
03:10:12 too i think there’s stability in that
03:10:14 also but i think it’s some of both
03:10:17 because right most people i hear it’s
03:10:19 either one or the other
03:10:20 not both i think it’s actually both
03:10:23 well i would have no doubt that we had
03:10:26 water in the first place
03:10:28 well i think there’s water here before
03:10:30 and then
03:10:33 then when saturn shut off and
03:10:36 you know had its own trauma
03:10:40 um
03:10:43 i think there was rain before the flood
03:10:45 personally
03:10:46 i mean i can’t prove it but i know
03:10:50 some people think it didn’t rain before
03:10:52 and to me right
03:10:53 i i happen to be in that camp
03:10:58 and the reason i’m in that camp is
03:11:00 because
03:11:02 um rainbows only show up with the rain
03:11:07 and i don’t think the rainbow first
03:11:10 showed up after the flood
03:11:11 i think it was there before but it was
03:11:13 like you know i mean
03:11:15 how how can this be a you know
03:11:18 i mean this seems to be something that
03:11:20 man has never seen
03:11:22 before and then all of a sudden
03:11:26 here is this promise here this should be
03:11:29 a representation of a promise of this
03:11:31 will never happen again so but if you
03:11:34 just play in the water
03:11:36 or the river you get it splashes you can
03:11:38 see rain
03:11:39 well i mean okay there’s
03:11:42 there’s possibly that but the the idea
03:11:46 of
03:11:48 rainbows being in the sky
03:11:52 it just the way it’s written in the
03:11:55 scripture just seems like it’s so
03:11:58 well what’s that
03:12:01 god’s made a promise you know
03:12:05 um i’m i could be wrong if this is only
03:12:09 i can see that some um
03:12:12 this gets an area i haven’t dug deep
03:12:15 into
03:12:16 but um although i don’t always agree
03:12:19 with anthony
03:12:20 larson i do think there’s some possible
03:12:23 merit to this
03:12:24 anthony larson did not think the bow
03:12:28 that’s in genesis is the rainbow as we
03:12:32 see now that it could have been
03:12:37 you know saturn has rings around it and
03:12:39 those
03:12:40 have been referred to a bow in the past
03:12:44 right there are some theories out there
03:12:46 that there was rings around earth at one
03:12:48 point they’ve actually found um
03:12:52 remnants of rings it’s just that
03:12:55 normally we can’t see them
03:12:57 oh i was not aware of that um so
03:13:00 some people think the bow are those
03:13:02 rings around there
03:13:03 i i don’t know
03:13:07 uh well to be honest yeah i mean it’s
03:13:10 it happened so long ago i mean as far as
03:13:14 i can tell it’s happened
03:13:15 something in the neighborhood of about
03:13:16 13 to 15 000 years ago
03:13:19 and that’s generations
03:13:23 generations away from what well i i
03:13:28 don’t think it was 13 000 years ago
03:13:31 but it was oh yeah you’re are you you’re
03:13:34 more of a young earth proponent
03:13:37 okay thank you sure
03:13:41 either way though i don’t think it’s uh
03:13:44 and you know even ill either way i am
03:13:47 more of a
03:13:48 young earth and and to the fact
03:13:51 um i think the earth was actually six
03:13:55 days i mean i’m not real worried about
03:13:57 it
03:13:57 that is kind of where i am um and i have
03:14:00 various reasons for it
03:14:02 but it’s literally six days so well
03:14:06 [Music]
03:14:07 that word in there day can mean multiple
03:14:10 things
03:14:11 okay right it can mean a period and it
03:14:14 can mean a thousand years
03:14:16 so right i would have to go to
03:14:19 the hebrew and i don’t know this one off
03:14:21 top my head
03:14:22 but we’d have to see but
03:14:25 there’s reasons to believe various
03:14:27 things on that
03:14:29 uh when you start actually digging into
03:14:31 some of the details
03:14:32 there’s a lot that gets left out in
03:14:34 english translations
03:14:37 tell me about it and so
03:14:41 it’s hard to say one way or sure on
03:14:44 anything on english translations
03:14:46 especially with the bible right because
03:14:48 it’s translated by scholars what we have
03:14:51 not by profits well it’s not just
03:14:53 translated by scholars but it’s also
03:14:54 translated by people who assume
03:14:57 that technology was stone age
03:15:01 and people were obviously living in mud
03:15:05 huts and
03:15:06 anything that’s fantastic must be i
03:15:09 don’t know an acid trip
03:15:11 and so you know yeah
03:15:14 yeah so there’s a lot of bad conceptions
03:15:17 about it
03:15:18 in fact i mean one that i’ve studied
03:15:20 some on because it’s something i care
03:15:22 about
03:15:23 some people think because of using
03:15:25 current translations of genesis
03:15:28 that the day starts at night but when
03:15:31 you
03:15:32 read the hebrew it actually starts
03:15:35 in the morning and there’s other cases
03:15:39 in the hebrew bible that shows the
03:15:41 morning and
03:15:42 i actually did an article on this from
03:15:44 the book of mormon the book of mormon
03:15:46 says the day starts in the morning
03:15:51 i can give you the article for if you
03:15:53 want it’s
03:15:55 paying attention to some close details
03:15:59 maybe a little later i’m actually
03:16:02 getting a little tired
03:16:04 um i can i can do a little more talking
03:16:08 but i think i need to start winding it
03:16:10 down
03:16:10 sure that’s fine i’ll just give you the
03:16:13 article and you can look at it
03:16:14 later okay it it’s
03:16:19 primarily just talking about um when the
03:16:22 day starts
03:16:24 i i do bring in some side subjects on it
03:16:27 but what’s your youtube channel that
03:16:30 you’ve been posting these on
03:16:32 sure i’ll give a link to you one second
03:16:42 hmm
03:16:44 i hope that i’ve been productive in
03:16:48 any kind of contribution uh
03:16:51 you know what um i wouldn’t worry about
03:16:54 it
03:16:54 it’s things that are on your mind and
03:16:56 you want to share and talk about that’s
03:16:58 what matters
03:16:59 [Music]
03:17:01 and i i don’t have it
03:17:05 structured like most churches including
03:17:08 elders church
03:17:09 having something pre-prepared on purpose
03:17:12 actually for one moroni six
03:17:17 one of the later verses and i can get it
03:17:19 if you want talks about it should be by
03:17:20 the spirit
03:17:22 i take that seriously
03:17:25 and also as uh
03:17:29 i mentioned you may want to go listen to
03:17:30 it because i talked about this with bree
03:17:32 a little bit
03:17:32 or was it with you anyways i’m listening
03:17:35 to pagan christianity
03:17:37 and one of the chapters in there talks
03:17:39 about how
03:17:40 the early believers used to me
03:17:43 it’s nothing like it is today nothing
03:17:48 that all these churches claim biblical
03:17:50 for and it’s not biblical
03:17:52 they’re they basically to some degree
03:17:54 did what we’re doing here just talking
03:17:56 about as things come up
03:17:58 that’s what they did that’s what the
03:18:00 scriptures show in the new testament
03:18:03 which goes along with what the book of
03:18:04 mormon says in moroni 6.
03:18:09 um and i i just i
03:18:13 the organization of the church in the
03:18:15 actual scriptures
03:18:17 the the the new testament and the dnc
03:18:20 is way different than what is in the lds
03:18:23 church
03:18:24 way different yeah
03:18:27 um i know missionaries and i probably
03:18:30 said it this
03:18:32 when i was a missionary that you know
03:18:33 the church follows
03:18:35 what’s in the new testament it does not
03:18:38 it does not on surface level when you
03:18:41 don’t know a lot of the details
03:18:43 you may think it does when you’re
03:18:45 studying correlated verses
03:18:47 sure it looks like it but when you look
03:18:49 at the whole picture it’s not
03:18:52 so i had heard
03:18:57 that the office of bishop
03:19:02 was supposed to be
03:19:05 filled by
03:19:10 men of the church until it could be
03:19:13 handed back to
03:19:14 the levites well actually the dnc
03:19:18 um gets something close to that
03:19:22 but um those who have the mo if there is
03:19:25 no descendant of aaron
03:19:27 [Music]
03:19:29 in in the area then someone in the
03:19:32 melchizedek priesthood
03:19:33 can hold that but if someone right is
03:19:36 a line of aaron they have the right to
03:19:40 it and they
03:19:40 should have it so i guess my question is
03:19:44 if they are a descendant of there and do
03:19:47 they in fact
03:19:48 get it as a lifetime office or
03:19:51 responsibility
03:19:52 uh i would say yes in fact
03:19:55 even even if they don’t have it
03:19:58 back in the day of joseph smith it was
03:20:01 until they got
03:20:01 basically voted out you can get vote out
03:20:05 at
03:20:06 office it’s not something it’s just
03:20:08 you’re in there for some how do you get
03:20:10 voted out of an
03:20:11 office that you’re assigned to well
03:20:14 you see this first of all you’re not as
03:20:18 back in joseph smith’s day you weren’t
03:20:19 just
03:20:21 your stake president did get revelation
03:20:24 to say you’re going to be bishop
03:20:25 that’s not how it states it in the
03:20:27 scriptures they voted
03:20:29 on who is the actual people voted who
03:20:32 they wanted to be their bishop
03:20:33 it wasn’t decided by the stake president
03:20:36 and the twelve
03:20:37 it it’s very different than what’s going
03:20:41 on now
03:20:42 um okay and and what the bishops are
03:20:45 supposed to do
03:20:46 is completely different than what
03:20:48 they’re currently doing
03:20:49 and i talk about that a lot in this
03:20:53 article
03:20:55 bishops are judges of israel go read
03:20:57 that article so
03:20:58 i was talking with my father
03:21:02 and i think i told you about my father a
03:21:04 little bit before
03:21:06 yeah a little bit yeah so
03:21:09 he he’s an interesting guy
03:21:13 and i and i don’t think you guys would
03:21:15 see eye to eye
03:21:16 on some things well that’s fine other
03:21:19 things
03:21:20 it doesn’t matter it’s matters what’s in
03:21:21 this i know i just
03:21:23 there’s some things you guys could like
03:21:25 perfectly do the tango with and it would
03:21:26 be like an amazing feat to
03:21:28 observe but and then there’s other top
03:21:31 and other things that would be like
03:21:33 no that’s fine tell stepping all the way
03:21:36 but
03:21:36 you know i i kind of wonder if maybe i
03:21:40 should like
03:21:42 hook you two up together to just let you
03:21:45 just to see what flows between the two
03:21:47 of you
03:21:48 if you want bring them to one of these
03:21:51 if you want
03:21:54 he was telling me
03:21:57 one time that i i guess he knew the guy
03:22:01 met the guy this there’s a guy who
03:22:06 was like a
03:22:10 he had the right to the hype
03:22:15 office of of the
03:22:18 levites
03:22:20 [Music]
03:22:22 or something he it was something about
03:22:24 the birthright there was
03:22:25 that placed him you know and
03:22:29 so he’d actually converted to mormonism
03:22:33 and then he got
03:22:37 he asked his father for his his um
03:22:40 birthright and then
03:22:44 proceeded to try to um
03:22:49 make a claim in the mormon church
03:22:53 okay so birthright from your father is
03:22:55 different than
03:22:56 no it was bishop but are you taking his
03:22:58 lineage
03:23:00 he wanted his lineage because so
03:23:03 he’s he’s levi right so he wanted
03:23:06 some proof to show that he’s a levite so
03:23:08 he could be a bishop
03:23:09 is that what you’re saying something
03:23:11 like that okay
03:23:12 and his father gave it to him before he
03:23:15 found he saw the father
03:23:16 gave it to him um
03:23:19 [Music]
03:23:20 before he found out that he had
03:23:22 converted and
03:23:24 if he knew it converted he wouldn’t give
03:23:25 it to him right right right
03:23:28 um but the the the
03:23:31 church denied him oh it doesn’t surprise
03:23:34 me the church doesn’t follow the dnc
03:23:36 on tons of cases
03:23:43 the dnc in the book of mormon are tokens
03:23:45 to them just to go around bragging about
03:23:47 but they don’t actually use it
03:23:50 well they do to tell you not to drink
03:23:52 coffee it doesn’t say that
03:23:54 we’re just i know i know they’re like i
03:23:57 know
03:23:58 it’s like you gotta do the portal wisdom
03:24:02 section 89 don’t drink coffee
03:24:05 but and then it’s like you open it up
03:24:07 and it’s like where did this say not to
03:24:08 drink coffee
03:24:09 well it was it’s it’s
03:24:13 it’s commandment it’s like okay i i mean
03:24:16 i mean we both know this
03:24:17 it says to drink beer and it says to use
03:24:20 wine for the sacrament
03:24:22 they don’t do that no it says
03:24:26 and you know what it also says it says
03:24:28 to eat meat sparingly all the time and
03:24:30 which goes against what some of the
03:24:31 early
03:24:32 eldest presidents said you know we
03:24:35 shouldn’t eat meat at all
03:24:36 which is a doctrine of demons they don’t
03:24:38 follow the dnc
03:24:40 89 they just like to claim they do have
03:24:43 you ever heard
03:24:44 of um the nephite explorer
03:24:47 yeah i think i asked him before yeah he
03:24:50 he
03:24:52 i’ve heard rumors that he’s waking up
03:24:53 but he has a
03:24:55 pretty good series about the word of
03:24:56 wisdom there’s some things in there that
03:24:58 he says that i don’t agree with but i do
03:25:00 share that
03:25:01 his series on my word of wisdom resource
03:25:03 page i
03:25:04 i have some comments on those videos if
03:25:06 you want to go look at them
03:25:08 all right so did you get all five videos
03:25:11 i think you know he has eight yeah
03:25:15 yeah he’s been really blowing that up
03:25:18 it’s like
03:25:19 damn i i don’t
03:25:22 agree with everything he says but
03:25:25 general it’s pretty good yeah
03:25:28 the first one she was still trying to
03:25:30 make justifications for the elias church
03:25:33 um i think some of the later ones you
03:25:35 stopped doing that
03:25:36 yeah correctly um and it was like
03:25:40 that that was when the whole
03:25:43 marijuana thing yeah i think that’s when
03:25:46 it started it was the marijuana issue
03:25:50 somebody i don’t remember who it was
03:25:52 that posted the
03:25:53 the video onto like um
03:25:57 anthony larson’s um
03:25:59 [Music]
03:26:01 page sure the facebook group um
03:26:04 yeah and oh my gosh
03:26:07 so many people just blew up because it
03:26:10 was like
03:26:12 how dare you you know
03:26:15 actually interpret it the way it’s
03:26:18 supposed to
03:26:18 i was like whoa oh
03:26:21 yeah and you know some i don’t know if
03:26:24 you
03:26:25 did you
03:26:59 bumped heads with them he doesn’t like
03:27:01 things that i say i’ll leave it at that
03:27:04 yeah he doesn’t like scriptures that i
03:27:08 can bring out he’s just like you just
03:27:09 don’t know what you’re talking about i’m
03:27:10 like well
03:27:11 he is devout in his own way
03:27:15 i’ll say that you know he he has
03:27:18 his path that he has his way
03:27:22 i would call it that he’s dedicated to
03:27:25 and
03:27:27 oh my goodness you know the first time
03:27:30 i remember the first time i ever had
03:27:33 an interaction with him um
03:27:36 so there was a time when the church the
03:27:39 leaders of the church
03:27:41 had really embraced
03:27:45 socialism and communist ick
03:27:51 the eldest teachings on consecration is
03:27:54 communism
03:27:55 period right we can get more of that
03:27:58 another time
03:27:59 i posted a meme about
03:28:03 so anthony had created a
03:28:08 political facebook group
03:28:11 specifically political and i posted that
03:28:15 meme about um
03:28:18 lds leaders having
03:28:22 socialistic leanings oh yeah
03:28:25 oh he was mad oh it started with brigham
03:28:29 young
03:28:30 his law of consecration is communism his
03:28:37 was just so mad and he just he came at
03:28:40 me he’s like ah
03:28:41 well because you were hurting his church
03:28:43 his whole life
03:28:44 his whole well and the thing is is that
03:28:48 um i mean it was so bad that i actually
03:28:52 left the group and i complained to
03:28:53 anthony about it
03:28:56 and anthony won’t do anything because i
03:28:58 know
03:28:59 i know it was against the church even
03:29:01 though he didn’t believe in the church
03:29:03 he
03:29:04 he wasn’t an apologist but he he favored
03:29:08 the church so that we get people to buy
03:29:10 his stuff
03:29:12 well i mean we all have our different
03:29:16 takes you know and i can see where
03:29:22 he did not believe in the lds church
03:29:24 even though publicly
03:29:26 he claimed he did he did not
03:29:30 he lost you can’t
03:29:33 you can’t skip into um
03:29:38 the electric universe and all the myths
03:29:40 and stuff
03:29:41 without being rattled
03:29:45 and uh
03:29:50 when he wasn’t but i’m not rather than
03:29:53 getting into
03:29:54 you know i i can get into like
03:29:57 the the nitty-gritty later but
03:30:01 just to continue with the story it was
03:30:03 like you know and after i complained to
03:30:04 anthony and left the group
03:30:07 um i
03:30:11 he said a few other things that kind of
03:30:18 more of a anthony has always been
03:30:25 so laid back as to be a read yeah
03:30:28 he’s
03:30:35 he won’t share his personal views
03:30:38 right he was a very
03:30:43 peace meal type of person
03:30:47 but i have a different opinion but i had
03:30:49 a different relationship with him but
03:30:51 um you know i i liked him don’t get me
03:30:54 wrong
03:30:54 okay in general i like them too right um
03:30:58 uh i i think but i just did some things
03:31:01 was to get people to read his
03:31:03 content but i
03:31:06 i got um it was a couple years later
03:31:11 you know probably what
03:31:14 it’s been two years now i
03:31:18 realized that if it were other
03:31:21 circumstances
03:31:24 um i might actually like
03:31:29 and so um i tossed him a
03:31:32 friend request and he accepted it and
03:31:36 so it’s he he runs his own blogs and
03:31:40 stuff
03:31:40 and for sure and he’s certainly there
03:31:43 was a
03:31:44 time but then when
03:31:47 uh i got a little more vocal i guess you
03:31:50 could say or
03:31:51 i went down and the path that i’m on now
03:31:54 right
03:31:55 or understandings we definitely diverged
03:31:59 he likes these traditions and i i
03:32:02 i want the truth uh he he doesn’t want
03:32:06 things to be
03:32:07 unsettled right um
03:32:10 i i tend to you know i’m i’m on my own
03:32:15 path
03:32:15 i’m somewhere bumping into the middle
03:32:17 you know i’m like here
03:32:18 i’m like here i’m like i’m like going
03:32:21 down
03:32:22 i just i don’t know i’m dizzy
03:32:27 but you know i i find that it
03:32:30 is useful for me to know you
03:32:33 and know him and
03:32:37 other people because
03:32:40 i while i do strive for truth i don’t
03:32:44 know if i’ll ever
03:32:48 actually
03:32:50 i will only have ever glimpses of it or
03:32:55 a view here and there i i i don’t know
03:32:58 if i
03:33:00 in this lifetime i don’t know if i would
03:33:01 ever have even the capacity to hold the
03:33:04 whole
03:33:04 the of the truth you know what i mean i
03:33:06 i don’t think
03:33:07 anybody in this life is going to have
03:33:09 the whole truth
03:33:10 i don’t right now i’ll tell you that
03:33:12 there’s a lot of things i want to know
03:33:14 that i don’t know
03:33:15 and i i work towards some
03:33:18 i work towards figuring out and some
03:33:20 it’s just like i’d like to know but i
03:33:22 don’t
03:33:22 with everything else that’s more
03:33:23 important to me it’s never going to
03:33:24 happen
03:33:26 but there are some things that helped me
03:33:30 wake up and those
03:33:33 and some of them i i know pretty well
03:33:37 like tithing tithing is the subject that
03:33:39 woke me up
03:33:41 that really got me to start looking at
03:33:44 things more than just the local leaders
03:33:46 have problems and are doing things wrong
03:33:48 that the the top leaders are doing
03:33:50 things wrong
03:33:51 it was tithing that did that for me and
03:33:55 i’ve you know looked into many more
03:33:57 subjects
03:33:58 since then there are some things i don’t
03:34:01 know but there are some things i do know
03:34:02 that i absolutely know that the top
03:34:05 leaders in the lds church
03:34:07 are contradicting truth
03:34:12 it’s just as simple as that and it’s not
03:34:15 just there’s
03:34:16 simple opinions it’s some deep
03:34:19 well like even if it is you don’t
03:34:23 tithe the poor that’s what was taught
03:34:25 during joseph smith
03:34:26 time that’s what taught in
03:34:30 jst genesis 14. it was taught in the
03:34:34 book of mormon
03:34:35 dnc 119 surplus
03:34:38 and dnc 119 says a standing law forever
03:34:41 means never
03:34:42 to change or go away but the eldest
03:34:44 church changed it
03:34:45 and they say it’ll go away with
03:34:46 consecration
03:34:49 that goes against standing law forever
03:34:52 what’s the
03:34:53 what’s this consecration i mean i’ve
03:34:55 heard the term and i’m sure
03:34:57 i know of it as just my memories like no
03:35:00 okay so the ld is true and this is false
03:35:02 but the eldest church teaches the law of
03:35:04 consecration is that you give
03:35:05 everything to the church not just your
03:35:08 tithing but
03:35:09 oh the communist doctrine okay yeah the
03:35:12 one that you make a covenant to keep in
03:35:14 the temple
03:35:15 to give everything to the church well
03:35:19 honestly
03:35:23 you kind of have to give everything to
03:35:25 god
03:35:26 because it’s not really mine or yours in
03:35:29 the first place
03:35:31 god doesn’t want you to give everything
03:35:33 to the church because
03:35:35 right i mean you’re supposed to give a
03:35:37 tenth of your surplus
03:35:38 in fact right the scriptures teach that
03:35:42 if you don’t take care of your own house
03:35:45 you’re worse than an infidel and so
03:35:48 if you did give
03:35:51 tithing before taking care of your own
03:35:53 you’re an infidel
03:35:55 okay i i can can we stop right here at
03:35:57 the moment
03:35:58 okay sorry no you’re fine um you said
03:36:01 the word infidel
03:36:02 and the reason i’m like going infidel
03:36:05 okay i’ve been
03:36:07 looking into islamic versions
03:36:11 of end times and
03:36:14 they like the idea of infidel written
03:36:17 across the forehead for some strange
03:36:18 reason
03:36:19 so i i just gave the verse that says it
03:36:22 to you it’s first timothy
03:36:23 5 8. i didn’t make it up
03:36:30 what’s an infidel well
03:36:33 uh it’s not good let’s go get the
03:36:35 dictionary
03:36:36 definition so make sure i don’t screw it
03:36:38 up okay
03:36:40 it’s not good
03:36:42 [Music]
03:36:44 so i’m gonna go to the 1828 dictionary
03:36:50 doesn’t it mean to lack
03:36:54 fidelity uh
03:36:58 or is that a difference unbelieving
03:37:00 disbelieving that
03:37:02 in inspiration of the scriptures a
03:37:04 divine institution of
03:37:06 crim of christianity the infidel
03:37:09 writer is great enemy to society
03:37:12 now one who disbelieves the inspiration
03:37:15 of the scriptures
03:37:16 and the divine origin of christianity
03:37:20 okay i’m going to look something up
03:37:21 really quick
03:37:24 sure um
03:37:42 there’s
03:37:47 all right so fidelity
03:37:52 is faithfulness to a person cause or
03:37:54 belief demonstrated by the continuing
03:37:56 loyalty and support
03:38:17 fidel
03:38:21 means faithful
03:38:25 and end is not so i guess that makes
03:38:28 sense with the definition i read in
03:38:38 infidel
03:38:45 have you heard of
03:38:51 propriety no propertarianism that’s the
03:38:54 term
03:38:55 uh no what is it
03:39:00 it’s a secular
03:39:03 uh construct of government that
03:39:07 is based upon it claims to
03:39:10 be based upon natural laws and
03:39:13 reciprocity
03:39:16 uh okay i know maybe
03:39:19 this is not an area i study a lot but i
03:39:21 know that there are some theories that
03:39:24 the constitution are based off of
03:39:26 natural laws
03:39:29 how true it is i don’t know because i
03:39:32 i do think the at least some of the
03:39:35 founding fathers were
03:39:36 well versed in scriptures um
03:39:40 but i also can see how a lot of the laws
03:39:44 that god gives us are natural laws
03:39:47 so to speak right um
03:39:51 i mean there’s a lot of ways to to talk
03:39:54 about that so
03:39:55 in some degree i agree that in some i
03:39:57 don’t if that makes sense
03:39:58 because i i think the god’s government
03:40:02 is a theocracy to be honest um
03:40:06 and i actually see the government that’s
03:40:08 in the book of mormon
03:40:09 completely different than the government
03:40:11 that we have here in the usa
03:40:15 but that’s another subject yeah
03:40:20 i just know a lot of ldis are like oh we
03:40:22 have a wonderful government
03:40:24 well the constitution was inspired not
03:40:27 revelation
03:40:28 there’s a difference between the two a
03:40:31 lot of people don’t want to look into
03:40:32 that
03:40:33 issue and actually i honestly don’t know
03:40:36 the difference
03:40:37 uh inspiration at least the way i take
03:40:40 it
03:40:40 uh and this is we go look at the words
03:40:43 but
03:40:44 inspiration i think is something that
03:40:46 you’re kind of figuring out with
03:40:47 yourself and god
03:40:50 where but you don’t actually hear god’s
03:40:51 voice telling you so i guess
03:40:53 i think revelation is where you actually
03:40:56 hear
03:40:57 god’s words so inspiration is you’re
03:41:00 trying to figure something out and you
03:41:01 feel that god’s helping you
03:41:03 but you don’t know exactly what’s yours
03:41:06 and what’s
03:41:06 god’s so to speak if that makes sense
03:41:08 it’s kind of yeah
03:41:10 that does where revelation is that thus
03:41:13 saith the lord it is his words no
03:41:16 questions
03:41:17 period i guess i i tend to confuse it a
03:41:21 little bit though because
03:41:24 [Music]
03:41:26 um
03:41:29 when i’ve done actions that i wouldn’t
03:41:31 normally do
03:41:33 on my own accord um
03:41:35 [Music]
03:41:36 i’ve i would tend to attribute that or
03:41:40 describe that as being
03:41:42 inspired
03:41:45 i i i’m okay with that with what i just
03:41:48 said
03:41:50 did you hear an actual voice from god or
03:41:53 is it was a
03:41:54 thought it’s more of a it’s more of like
03:41:57 a driving
03:41:58 feeling you know kind of like go go
03:42:02 go go sure i could go with that
03:42:05 i mean i don’t know if that would be i
03:42:08 mean that
03:42:09 i i wouldn’t it feels a little more
03:42:12 primal than well i i think it
03:42:16 it depends on the exact
03:42:19 details i guess because i i don’t think
03:42:22 inspiration is
03:42:24 primal like nature
03:42:27 for sure um in fact you know the natural
03:42:30 man is anemone to god
03:42:31 right um right so
03:42:35 i i think it it
03:42:39 the big thing that i would say is if
03:42:42 unless you heard a voice like thus saith
03:42:44 the lord or an angel came and gave you
03:42:47 the words
03:42:48 i personally see it as more inspiration
03:42:52 than i would say revelation in fact i
03:42:54 think reading the scriptures
03:42:56 and then using the scriptures what you
03:42:57 see there to help us figure out what to
03:42:58 do in lives is inspiration
03:43:01 because it wasn’t a specific thus saith
03:43:03 the lord to you
03:43:04 that you just heard it’s something that
03:43:06 you’re trying to put together
03:43:08 with god’s help and
03:43:11 god kind of directed you along the way
03:43:15 but he didn’t give you a specific a
03:43:17 saith the lord
03:43:21 now i do believe the founding fathers
03:43:23 were inspired
03:43:26 but they didn’t receive revelation
03:43:29 in fact i mean you probably know this
03:43:31 more than other people because you look
03:43:33 into things more
03:43:34 there’s a lot of fighting in getting the
03:43:36 constitution to happen
03:43:38 that fighting’s not that’s not
03:43:40 revelation
03:43:41 that’s them trying to some of it was
03:43:44 just consensus
03:43:45 to get i’m like okay this is not a big
03:43:47 deal sure i’ll give you that so you get
03:43:49 so you’ll do this right right that’s not
03:43:51 revelation
03:43:53 it was a lot of there was there was a
03:43:55 lot of inspiration there was a lot of
03:43:57 infighting there was a lot of there was
03:44:01 compromises i i mean
03:44:04 i like the constitution more than what’s
03:44:06 going on in the world in well in the
03:44:08 united states right now
03:44:09 because we’re not following the
03:44:10 constitution right now oh
03:44:13 a lot of people like to claim we are or
03:44:15 not
03:44:17 i like it more than what’s going on now
03:44:19 but
03:44:21 i’d rather have the government that we
03:44:22 have like mosiah 28
03:44:24 i mean 29 i mean sorry the last chapter
03:44:26 of mosiah
03:44:28 now isn’t that the judges yeah
03:44:31 the judge is appointed by the people we
03:44:33 don’t have that i
03:44:35 honestly don’t know um
03:44:37 [Music]
03:44:39 i i wish i knew it i
03:44:44 well in in so the
03:44:47 the comparable
03:44:52 the comparable government to old
03:44:55 testament bible
03:44:56 um just before they got their kings
03:45:01 um this was you know this was after most
03:45:04 yeah the kings they they that was a bad
03:45:07 thing
03:45:07 and they couldn’t do it because they
03:45:09 wanted it there was so
03:45:11 so after moses before the kings there
03:45:13 was that small
03:45:14 space of time that they had
03:45:17 the judges and i don’t know if the
03:45:21 judges were
03:45:22 assigned by the people or if they were
03:45:25 there
03:45:25 by the people uh just like in the book
03:45:27 of mormon
03:45:28 um so judges
03:45:32 if you vote in bad judges there’s going
03:45:34 to be problems right
03:45:35 right but the one thing that i i like
03:45:39 there that’s much better than what’s
03:45:41 going on now and i think you would agree
03:45:42 the current politicians vote in laws
03:45:45 that are against us
03:45:47 that we don’t know about where in naya
03:45:49 29
03:45:50 it was the people that did the
03:45:54 laws and the judges enforce them right
03:45:57 and so it’s it’d be better than what we
03:46:01 have
03:46:01 now uh and i and i find it scriptural
03:46:05 because that’s actually how the
03:46:06 scriptures talk about how it’s supposed
03:46:08 to be
03:46:09 right i just
03:46:12 i don’t know if we’re ready for that yet
03:46:16 uh i mean if he really if we had
03:46:19 men of god being the judges and we
03:46:22 followed god’s law
03:46:23 i think you would be ready for it i
03:46:26 think you’re just
03:46:27 tainted by what you’re seeing in the
03:46:29 world today well
03:46:30 you’re you’re right i i mean when you
03:46:33 it’s hard to say
03:46:37 what you can and can’t handle when you
03:46:39 don’t
03:46:40 have that experience to draw from and
03:46:43 you only have speculation
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03:46:46 and you’re not very good at
03:46:50 self-assessment i
03:46:53 sure sure i i’m okay at self-assessment
03:46:56 but
03:46:57 i i choose to
03:47:01 err on the side of
03:47:04 under then overestimate
03:47:08 no that’s good i think a part of it is
03:47:11 probably because
03:47:13 a lot of misconceptions that are about
03:47:15 god’s laws
03:47:17 personally um not that i
03:47:20 got it all figured out but like here’s
03:47:24 one
03:47:24 here it’s not a controversial subject
03:47:28 well maybe it depends on who you are i
03:47:30 don’t think it is but for example
03:47:33 anything is controversial to some
03:47:36 someone yeah so i did throw that in but
03:47:38 for like
03:47:39 so a lot of the hebrew rooters think
03:47:43 you can’t cook on the sabbath okay
03:47:46 okay um and i know what scriptures they
03:47:48 use
03:47:49 to do that but when i go look at the
03:47:51 scriptures that they use to
03:47:53 claim that i don’t see that i don’t see
03:47:55 it at all
03:47:56 i think it’s fine to cook on the sabbath
03:47:59 unlike what they’re claiming
03:48:01 it’s
03:48:06 yeah i can see what you’re saying
03:48:13 religious institutions and people
03:48:17 have way too much of a tendency
03:48:20 of using
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03:48:24 scripture that has absolutely no actual
03:48:30 seeable bearing to a situation
03:48:33 or a subject that they want to have
03:48:37 commentary on and and have it
03:48:39 scripturally backed
03:48:40 i mean one of the things just absolutely
03:48:43 drove me insane
03:48:45 oh i when i the eldest church does that
03:48:49 so much but it’s like i was doing the
03:48:52 research
03:48:53 to try to figure out what the standing
03:48:56 was
03:48:57 you know i i wanted to have a personal
03:49:00 understanding of
03:49:01 what homosexuality was
03:49:05 you know and as far as god is concerned
03:49:09 and
03:49:11 you know there’s plenty of stuff in the
03:49:13 old testament plenty of stuff in the new
03:49:15 testament
03:49:16 not really much in the book of mormon
03:49:19 except where
03:49:20 they like to quote about
03:49:24 how the truth is hard the truth is hard
03:49:28 i don’t think the book of mormon doesn’t
03:49:30 talk about gays at all
03:49:32 no nothing and i really wish they
03:49:34 wouldn’t include that
03:49:36 i mean if it doesn’t i mean look at the
03:49:39 the thing that they’re quoting
03:49:41 is one of those things that could like
03:49:42 apply to any truth
03:49:44 all truth oh it’s so hard and sure
03:49:48 and painful it has nothing to do with
03:49:50 the actual current subject other than
03:49:52 you should believe me if you don’t
03:49:53 believe me
03:49:54 you just don’t believe truth those are
03:49:56 lame
03:49:58 and it’s like don’t you don’t need to
03:50:01 tie
03:50:01 in your scriptures with every subject
03:50:06 well yeah i mean that’s like anybody
03:50:08 could use that against anybody who
03:50:10 doesn’t believe
03:50:10 what they’re saying it right it proves
03:50:13 nothing
03:50:14 stick to that i know they do it right
03:50:16 okay they were sticking to the scripture
03:50:18 just
03:50:19 not into the proper context it’s like
03:50:26 so yeah tiger when i first started
03:50:29 studying torah i i i was looking at the
03:50:32 orthodox
03:50:34 laws not knowing any better because the
03:50:37 guy that kind of helped me
03:50:39 believe in it would grew up orthodox but
03:50:41 anyways and i
03:50:42 look at their um interpretation
03:50:45 of the scriptures and i’m like how in
03:50:48 the world did they get that law
03:50:50 from this it made no sense to me
03:50:53 and then i learned about the different
03:50:55 types of jews and
03:50:56 i’m i just i’ll be honest for the most
03:50:59 part i don’t trust
03:51:00 orthodox at all because they’re the
03:51:02 pharisees
03:51:04 well these orthodox are the pharisees
03:51:06 that jesus chewed out
03:51:08 yeah oh tell you
03:51:13 sorry i am to getting tired okay it’s
03:51:16 like
03:51:17 it’s like around midnight
03:51:20 where i am now well and you’re probably
03:51:22 what four in the morning
03:51:24 oh 3 15.
03:51:27 go to bed go get some sleep well i i
03:51:30 stay up late for these
03:51:31 um anyways but my main thing is
03:51:35 hey did you already do um i’m sure you
03:51:38 probably already did
03:51:40 but i’ll do it again for you do you want
03:51:43 it
03:51:45 oh yeah you what was i going to ask for
03:51:48 i i so
03:51:48 were you asking for sacrament
03:51:53 yes yeah i’ll do it for you i’ll let me
03:51:56 stop the recording i’ll do it for you
03:51:57 okay
03:51:58 okay i’m happy to do it let me go get
03:52:00 the stuff
03:52:02 okay