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Start off by talking about spiritual discernment. Snake is a Hebrew idiom for enemy. Seeing how the OT / Tanak defines Torah as the light and how Moroni 7 tells us we are to know right from wrong by using the light / Torah shows us Torah is still valid. Bishops are to judge by the LAW. Witnesses are someone who saw it happen. John the Baptist was the mighty one before Yesuha’s / Jesus mortal ministry. A physical symbol of YHWH’s salvation is when YHWH had Moses take Israel through the deep sea / chaos of the world. Yeshua / Jesus said if you don’t believe Moses’ words, you won’t believe My words. Torah tells us what type of person the Messiah is. YHWH uses the Sun and the Moon to determine His appointed times. A disagreement about the Godhead. Torah is teaching us how YHWH wants us to love Him and others. Talk about the creation prophecy a little. Talk the lunar cycle change. The Sun and Moon are for SIGNS, signs are signals of something NOW needs to happen. Joseph Smith received the gold plates on the feast of trumpets. A theory why New Moon day is not mentioned in Lev 23. New Moon day is a non-work day and a worship day. The day of the moon starts at sunrise not sunset. Rome’s calendar during Yeshua’s / Jesus’ mortal ministry had 8 days, A – H. The scriptures have three types of days. It’s very important to come to know how to keep YHWH’s law / Torah.

Links:

• All Things you Should DO
• JST John 1:1-19
• Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls
• Sabbaths
• Majestic Plural
  ELOHIM – אלהים – One or many “gods”?
• Resources
• Lunar Cycle Change
• Timing of when Joseph Smith received the gold plates
  Scripture Study 2022-09-26
• High Holidays
• Inclusive Time
• Day starts in the Morning
  • Morning
  • On the Morrow / Morning
• Calendar Changes
• LuniSolar Calendar
  • Calendar
  • Lunar Sabbath YT Playlist
• Ben’s Presentation
  They Changed Times and Laws

Transcript:

00:00:00 like I said I’m very hard to annoy and
00:00:01 I’m very hard to scare off sure all
00:00:04 righty
00:00:05 I love this meme
00:00:08 um and I’m just going to start by
00:00:10 reading it and then I’m going to read
00:00:11 the explanation that comes with it from
00:00:13 Torah for today uh spiritual discernment
00:00:17 discernment is the spiritual ability to
00:00:20 hear the hiss of the serpent
00:00:22 uh and of and I and I do think that it
00:00:25 is also important that we be able to
00:00:28 recognize it for what it is and I think
00:00:30 and as we go through the scriptures as
00:00:32 we go through the explanation I think
00:00:34 that’s going to be made clear
00:00:36 uh discernment is seeing the difference
00:00:38 between truth and error it is the
00:00:40 ability to think biblically discernment
00:00:43 is the faculty of discerning
00:00:45 discrimination acuteness of judgment and
00:00:48 understanding
00:00:49 scriptural discernment is to examine
00:00:51 prove test and scrutinize
00:00:55 it’s to be a Berean
00:00:57 it’s not what seems right but what
00:01:00 measures up to the word not anything
00:01:02 else beloved okay first John 4 1 beloved
00:01:08 do not believe every Spirit but test the
00:01:10 spirits to see whether they are from God
00:01:12 for many false prophets have gone out
00:01:14 into the world Hebrews 5 14 but solid
00:01:19 food is for the mature for those who
00:01:22 have their powers of discernment trained
00:01:25 by constant practice to distinguish good
00:01:27 from evil
00:01:29 Philippians 1 9-10 and it is my prayer
00:01:33 that your love may abound more and more
00:01:35 with knowledge and all discernment so
00:01:38 that you may approve what is excellent
00:01:40 and so be pure and blameless for the day
00:01:43 of Christ
00:01:44 and first Thessalonians 5 20 21-22
00:01:49 but examine everything carefully
00:01:52 hold fast to that which is good
00:01:55 abstain from every form of evil
00:01:58 that is
00:02:01 so this is what I believe to be one of
00:02:05 the best definitions of discernment
00:02:07 especially given the uh scriptural
00:02:10 proofs for it
00:02:13 since the scriptures come since the
00:02:16 scriptures come of spirit
00:02:18 come of the spirit
00:02:20 if we wish to be able to develop our
00:02:23 spiritual gift of discernment we must
00:02:26 learn to think
00:02:28 like the scriptures rather than make the
00:02:31 scriptures conform to what we think
00:02:35 and so this is and so that and so I love
00:02:39 this I shared it
00:02:42 I may share it again 5 000 times Well I
00:02:47 shared it uh because we’re looking at my
00:02:49 Facebook wall right now right I may
00:02:52 share it again 5 000 times people need
00:02:55 to know
00:02:59 that what it is what it means to
00:03:03 actually be
00:03:04 Discerning well right so if we could
00:03:07 take a look into the uh yeah let’s go
00:03:10 look at the dictionary but one thing
00:03:11 that I find I I like the picture I think
00:03:14 they picked a really good picture and
00:03:16 just a little subtitle to the picture
00:03:18 quite a bit
00:03:19 um
00:03:20 spiritual discernment discernment the
00:03:23 spiritual ability to hear the hiss
00:03:27 of the serpent no I
00:03:31 the serpent in the garden right which
00:03:33 actually
00:03:36 here’s one thing I think a lot of people
00:03:37 get wrong they think because the Bible
00:03:40 says there was a snake in the garden it
00:03:42 has to be literal no
00:03:45 snakes is a Hebrew idiom for enemies
00:03:49 there was an enemy in the garden
00:03:53 and those who are familiar with the
00:03:55 imagery know that because you’ll see
00:03:58 mostly Christian videos trying to they
00:04:02 don’t know if to make it a human like or
00:04:05 an angel or whatnot or yeah because they
00:04:08 use the word snake right no it’s just an
00:04:11 idiom
00:04:12 for enemy that’s all it is that’s just
00:04:16 uh it’s it’s again it’s symbology yeah
00:04:19 and that account I do believe it’s based
00:04:22 off of history but the way it is written
00:04:25 it is completely
00:04:29 symbolic to teach well I believe that
00:04:32 they’re gonna go through but anyways I
00:04:34 believe that there are into the creation
00:04:36 I believe that there are both historical
00:04:38 and allegorical aspects of the narrative
00:04:42 the creation narrative that comes to us
00:04:44 in the Bible in the Bible yeah I think
00:04:46 that there are things that God wants us
00:04:48 to know that are Beyond just while this
00:04:51 happened
00:04:52 and and throughout the Book of Mormon
00:04:55 just on this point it states that Adam
00:04:57 and Eve our first parents so it it is
00:05:00 completely literal because I know
00:05:01 there’s 30s out there there’s multiple
00:05:03 Adam and Eve’s no the the book that Adam
00:05:07 or that Adam had more than one wife
00:05:09 which is not scriptural you know that
00:05:12 that’s from the occult
00:05:14 um in fact on that point that’s where
00:05:15 Lilith comes from in the chosen yep
00:05:18 event those occult traditions and so
00:05:21 sadly he’s putting I and it’s and this
00:05:24 seems to be a common theme
00:05:27 they’ll do it less in the beginning and
00:05:31 then they start put more in as they get
00:05:33 you uh hooked and I’m seeing that in the
00:05:36 chosen which is kind of sad but anyways
00:05:38 that’s another subject but I I like this
00:05:41 picture
00:05:42 because the
00:05:44 um the snake stung out
00:05:47 um yep and that is a thing of Satan a
00:05:51 sign of Satan with the tongue out I’ll
00:05:52 get you the verse in just a minute
00:05:53 because I don’t have it memorized I
00:05:54 think it’s Isaiah the one that I may
00:05:56 have but I can get it and it’s to mock
00:05:59 God
00:06:00 and you’ll see celebrities today doing
00:06:03 that
00:06:04 um yeah yeah
00:06:05 for those who stayed a little bit longer
00:06:08 yesterday for a little more Fellowship
00:06:10 stuff remember how I brought the cat and
00:06:12 that sign yep which the cat has to do
00:06:14 with Satan also but anyways but that’s
00:06:16 how he gets the Hairball is getting that
00:06:18 sign out yeah by licking by liking it
00:06:21 and taking the hair and and the hair
00:06:24 taking it away from other people even
00:06:25 but anyways I’m getting sidetracked
00:06:28 um so what’s up
00:06:29 what’s up with that person’s comment
00:06:32 oh I don’t know it’s not only at all
00:06:34 it’s on their wall I I
00:06:37 don’t understand that well so in the New
00:06:39 Testament yeah I saw that I was like
00:06:42 but okay you know we should worship
00:06:45 Yahweh and or Elohim and and spirit and
00:06:48 Truth
00:06:50 I Yahweh
00:06:53 is the Incarnate yahshua and so I I
00:06:58 don’t understand why they’re bringing
00:06:59 that come up with here so I I don’t know
00:07:01 and I don’t know yeah well it’s because
00:07:04 well it’s a lot of people
00:07:07 um
00:07:08 when
00:07:10 comments are people’s reaction to the
00:07:13 content period part of story and
00:07:16 therefore
00:07:17 it’s just somebody’s reaction it’s a
00:07:20 human reaction yeah but I I actually I
00:07:22 don’t understand how that relates even
00:07:23 to what’s there but anyways I I don’t
00:07:25 want yeah well you you have you have a
00:07:28 point let’s see
00:07:30 let’s see relatively
00:07:32 uh unrelated yeah
00:07:35 I I will I’ll be honest in general I
00:07:38 like this uh this Facebook page Torah
00:07:41 for today but I probably the post that I
00:07:44 comment on the most are the ones when
00:07:46 they have to do with the Sabbath
00:07:48 um because I believe differently on that
00:07:50 and that’s another subject
00:07:52 um but anyways
00:07:53 well and the vast majority of comments
00:07:56 if you’re going to find on Facebook are
00:07:58 comments that disagree with
00:08:02 um
00:08:02 the yeah with the with the idea of being
00:08:06 positive
00:08:07 so that I don’t want to get I mean what
00:08:10 being posited
00:08:12 oh being presented right
00:08:15 um and Facebook kind of Engineers things
00:08:18 to do that way but anyway that’s another
00:08:19 that’s another squirrel actually I don’t
00:08:22 want to get into I’m on there yeah
00:08:24 that’s a squirrel I buy squirrel
00:08:27 but then look at this
00:08:30 this snake right here from I I’m no
00:08:34 snake expert but look how he’s coiled up
00:08:40 and from my general knowledge of snakes
00:08:44 the ones that curl up are the poisonous
00:08:47 ones yes no that reminds me of the
00:08:52 incident in Torah which I don’t remember
00:08:54 it is but when Yahweh took away the
00:08:57 protection from the Israelites when they
00:09:00 were complaining
00:09:03 the the snakes were already there and
00:09:07 they then because they were complaining
00:09:09 yeah he was like okay I’m gonna take
00:09:12 away my protection and these snakes bit
00:09:16 them with their poisonous venom okay and
00:09:19 it made them sick and that’s when the
00:09:21 cross came in which you know John 3 16
00:09:23 is based off of but it’s interesting
00:09:25 this poisonous venom comes from their
00:09:28 mouth
00:09:29 just like the evil words that come from
00:09:32 Satan and his followers
00:09:34 right that is the that is their power
00:09:36 their power is in their words the only
00:09:39 Power they have is their words
00:09:42 because even when they’re they bind you
00:09:45 with getting you to do sin now
00:09:48 still all the power they have is their
00:09:51 words
00:09:52 because even
00:09:54 to the grossest sinner if they will
00:09:57 repent Yahweh will accept them back if
00:10:00 they will repent with their broken heart
00:10:01 and contrite spirit
00:10:06 his arms are always outstretched yes
00:10:12 um in fact interesting from Torah
00:10:15 um when Moses was in the lake just
00:10:17 before the Hebrew
00:10:19 mother got him the
00:10:21 I mean the Egyptian mother got him in
00:10:25 Taurus described her arm stretched out
00:10:27 to get him
00:10:29 bringing out the imagery of yahweh’s
00:10:31 arms is always stretched out but anyways
00:10:34 right
00:10:35 um
00:10:36 but it’s interesting imagery yeah but
00:10:39 this picture right here is quite
00:10:41 revealing if one actually looks at it
00:10:44 and
00:10:45 um brings out what’s going on with it
00:10:48 with right I also like the the usage of
00:10:51 of light and darkness within the picture
00:10:54 itself
00:10:55 that’s true I didn’t notice that one
00:10:57 yeah because right sometimes sometimes
00:11:02 there’s varying there’s always varying
00:11:04 Shades of Gray yeah when you’re speaking
00:11:08 with someone who is a Deceiver it’s
00:11:10 always varying Shades of Gray
00:11:13 but with
00:11:15 the Torah and the law and the gospel it
00:11:18 is always
00:11:20 you will always by the spirit which is
00:11:23 the word
00:11:25 no it will be clear well yeah there’s
00:11:27 one shade there’s yeah there’s only one
00:11:31 shade actually to go a little more off
00:11:33 of what you brought out there Josh look
00:11:36 it’s facing the front face what you see
00:11:39 and focus on them first has the light
00:11:42 like the angel like the fallen angels
00:11:44 will appear as an angel of Light but
00:11:46 then when you get to the body
00:11:48 it’s dark right and I you can see that
00:11:51 in the picture and that is very telling
00:11:53 what really goes on with his techniques
00:11:56 and I don’t know but then when you
00:11:59 actually get into it aka the body it’s
00:12:01 very dark
00:12:03 but I don’t and I don’t know how
00:12:05 significant this is
00:12:07 but this is a crate one of the most
00:12:11 poisonous of all snakes
00:12:15 and that might have been Percival
00:12:17 because that’s uh Satan right anyways
00:12:22 no he is the most poisonous he is the
00:12:25 most poisonous yeah yeah so that so
00:12:27 that’s just another thing to another
00:12:30 thing to um
00:12:34 their use of light and dark in the
00:12:37 picture as well that that stood out to
00:12:40 me uh and when you brought it out it was
00:12:44 like oh wow look at that because
00:12:46 that that that
00:12:48 um
00:12:49 the light on the face makes you focus on
00:12:52 the face and it kind of draws you in
00:12:55 and then
00:12:56 when the serpent has been able to
00:12:58 encircle you about with the coils of its
00:13:00 body That You Don’t See
00:13:03 because it’s too dark
00:13:06 and then you were wrapped up in the
00:13:07 chains of the adversary and his lies
00:13:10 along with this but on a different type
00:13:13 of snake like the bow constrictor okay
00:13:15 this is interesting
00:13:17 what does he do to kill you he squeezes
00:13:20 the air
00:13:22 out of you and what is the air it is the
00:13:24 spirit Torah the law
00:13:26 and right when we break that we are dead
00:13:30 yeah
00:13:31 it’s just interesting anyways yeah let’s
00:13:34 just go on but I think there’s a good
00:13:37 stuff right there yeah I I so I I’m
00:13:40 happy to learn that my educated guess on
00:13:43 the coiling was correct
00:13:45 of it being poisonous as uh Matt I mean
00:13:48 been confirmed but anyways so we should
00:13:51 go to the dictionary though and go look
00:13:53 at the word discernment right
00:13:55 yeah yeah
00:13:59 uh actually yeah let’s go let me pick a
00:14:02 window
00:14:13 and it might be better there halfway
00:14:17 especially for those who might be on a
00:14:19 phone I don’t know anyways
00:14:21 um I I really like this dictionary
00:14:26 the 1828 version yeah
00:14:30 you want to read it
00:14:31 okay the act of discerning also the
00:14:35 power or faculty of the Mind by which
00:14:37 distinguishes one thing from another ah
00:14:41 I I’m just I’m going to highlight a
00:14:43 couple things of the Mind
00:14:46 distinguishes One from another AKA
00:14:50 good from Evil righteousness from
00:14:52 wickedness right okay as truth from
00:14:55 falsehood uh virtue through life it’s
00:14:58 right there yes I just thought I should
00:15:00 have butted it I shouldn’t have butt it
00:15:02 in huh well maybe not maybe maybe if you
00:15:05 just let me read who would have come
00:15:07 yeah
00:15:08 um acuteness of judgment
00:15:11 power of perceiving differences of
00:15:14 things or ideas and their relations and
00:15:17 tendencies
00:15:18 the errors of Youth often proceed from
00:15:21 the want of discernment that using that
00:15:23 definition in a
00:15:25 yeah so now
00:15:31 we’re gonna go look at a Moroni 7 verse
00:15:34 okay and I’m just bringing it out here
00:15:36 because it’s around some other stuff how
00:15:40 um the law tells us how to know what’s
00:15:43 right and from because in Moroni seven
00:15:45 it states it’s easy to know right from
00:15:47 wrong
00:15:48 you go ask a Christian they don’t know
00:15:50 how to do that
00:15:53 you go ask a lot of these offshoots they
00:15:55 don’t know how to do that
00:15:57 The Book of Mormon brings out it is the
00:16:01 Torah that makes it easy to discern
00:16:03 right from wrong okay and I I bring that
00:16:06 out here so that’s why I’m just going to
00:16:07 bring it up here to make it a little my
00:16:09 life a little easier
00:16:12 um
00:16:19 here we are well is it this one or the
00:16:22 another one because there’s
00:16:26 uh no it’s not this one that one’s about
00:16:29 the tongue of angels
00:16:30 um
00:16:33 oh not that one uh seven here we go this
00:16:37 is the one I want so we could maybe
00:16:38 start up here a little bit
00:16:41 uh we probably don’t need to read all
00:16:43 the verses that go along with it
00:16:45 sometimes I put maybe a little too many
00:16:47 but anyways we’ll just start here
00:16:49 there’s probably a good place to start
00:16:52 um
00:16:53 just as after we have received the Holy
00:16:56 Spirit
00:16:57 or ghost La Torah we can speak with the
00:17:01 tongue of angels so shall those who
00:17:03 desire to teach of Yahweh of yahweh’s
00:17:06 ways should wait until after after they
00:17:10 have learned his paths and have kept
00:17:12 them themselves such that they know of
00:17:13 yeshua’s Jesus’s true points of Doctrine
00:17:16 and law for us such that they can
00:17:18 actually teach of yahweh’s instructions
00:17:20 to help others talk to the Messiah it is
00:17:22 interesting to note that in doctrine of
00:17:25 covenants
00:17:27 LDS 1121
00:17:37 and I added of angels is used to
00:17:40 describe teaching of yahweh’s ways as it
00:17:43 is used okay then shall your tongue be
00:17:46 loose I mean we can use it because it’s
00:17:48 yeah so that’s right tongue of angels
00:17:49 that’s what’s going on but that’s not
00:17:51 what I want right now I mean we I’m
00:17:53 happy to read all that if you guys want
00:17:55 but
00:17:57 um
00:17:57 uh here we go this is the spot we should
00:18:00 start sorry guys light light is an image
00:18:03 for the law to run scriptures because
00:18:05 with it we can see where to walk in this
00:18:07 dark and dreary World Psalm 119 105 die
00:18:11 yahweh’s word is a lamp unto my feet and
00:18:15 a light unto my path Proverbs 6 23 for
00:18:18 the Commandment was a lamb and the law
00:18:20 Hebrew Torah is light
00:18:24 and reproofs of instruction are the way
00:18:27 of life
00:18:28 proverbs 4 18-19 but the past Torah of
00:18:33 the just is The Shining Light that
00:18:36 shineth more and more onto the perfect
00:18:39 or Judgment Day The Way of the Wicked is
00:18:43 Darkness they know not at what they
00:18:45 stumble Isaiah
00:18:48 Isaiah 8 20. to the law Hebrew Torah
00:18:53 when we take that word back to its
00:18:56 Hebrew it means Torah yeah and to The
00:18:58 Testament hold on let’s just show that
00:19:01 to show that
00:19:03 strong as concordance Torah directions
00:19:06 look at that that’s actually how you say
00:19:08 that word Torah anyways okay hold on
00:19:11 yeah
00:19:13 enter the testimony if they speak not
00:19:16 according to this word it is because
00:19:17 there is no light in them
00:19:20 this according to the words of Isaiah
00:19:23 Doctrine and Covenants section 84 verse
00:19:25 45 for the word of the Lord Yahweh is
00:19:28 truth and whatsoever is truth is light
00:19:32 and whatsoever is light is
00:19:36 holy
00:19:38 is Spirit
00:19:41 yes
00:19:44 too many things added there it’s hard
00:19:47 for me to read
00:19:48 um
00:19:57 uh even the spirit of Yeshua yeah
00:20:01 knowing that light is another word for
00:20:04 law Torah as these uh verses from the
00:20:08 Tanakh aka the Old Testament and even
00:20:12 the Doctrine and Covenants the doctrine
00:20:14 Covenant and some people’s favorite one
00:20:17 Isaiah because there’s a there’s a uh
00:20:20 you know a movement of Isaiah people
00:20:22 right now right so right there saying
00:20:24 Isaiah States the law Torah is light
00:20:29 okay knowing that light is another word
00:20:33 for Torah Moroni 7 18 to 19 becomes so
00:20:37 clear to understand because it’s telling
00:20:40 oops I forgot us to make judgments by
00:20:43 the written law Torah
00:20:45 you didn’t proofread enough I missed
00:20:48 that I missed that one all right
00:20:50 because I wrote it but you you
00:20:54 helped me proofread it a lot of it but
00:20:56 anyways Moroni 7 18-19
00:20:59 and now my brother and see that ye know
00:21:02 the light the law tore in which you
00:21:05 should judge
00:21:08 um and so we just went up to hear how
00:21:09 imagery light is the law which is Torah
00:21:13 yes and so it’s it’s I think it’s pretty
00:21:17 easy to to justify putting that there
00:21:18 okay which light is the light of or from
00:21:23 and I I we can go look at of
00:21:27 and it does mean from oh look
00:21:30 it’s first definitely we’re out of right
00:21:32 yep okay so from the Messiah
00:21:35 and what comes from the Messiah his word
00:21:38 which is the law right which is like
00:21:41 which is light yeah we just got over
00:21:43 there yes see that you do not judge
00:21:46 wrongfully for that same judgment which
00:21:49 you judge you shall also be judged
00:21:52 so this has a twosome sword not judging
00:21:56 is actually Judgment of allowing
00:21:59 you know evil to be good
00:22:02 it’s allowance it’s just so people are
00:22:04 aware there
00:22:06 and you should also be judged wherefore
00:22:08 I beseech of you brother that you should
00:22:11 search diligently in the light of the
00:22:14 Messiah that you may know good from Evil
00:22:17 oh look at this a so I love chiasms
00:22:21 the more you’ll spend time with me the
00:22:22 more you’ll see that but look light is
00:22:25 an a
00:22:27 Knowledge from good to evil is a and
00:22:30 light stands for the law Torah that’s
00:22:33 how we’re supposed to know good from
00:22:34 Evil by the Torah
00:22:36 that’s why it’s easy because it’s
00:22:39 actually written
00:22:41 it’s written down
00:22:43 that you may know good from Evil and if
00:22:45 you will lay hold upon every good thing
00:22:49 the law and condemn it not the law
00:22:53 hey AKA condemning the law is condemning
00:22:56 the Holy Ghost
00:22:58 right and ye certainly will be a child
00:23:02 follower of the Messiah
00:23:05 so in here in fact this first time I’ve
00:23:07 noticed this one that’s actually still
00:23:09 this is also right here teaching the sin
00:23:11 of the you know denying the Holy Ghost
00:23:13 right there I noticed that one before
00:23:14 but anyways I’m still learning too
00:23:18 uh we are to make judgments by the Torah
00:23:21 in the beginning of Bishops are Israel I
00:23:23 talk about how judges okay so now I’m
00:23:25 going
00:23:26 see look at this we could do this that
00:23:29 the the Bishops these judges are not
00:23:32 supposed to judge by the whims of their
00:23:35 fleeting Hearts it’s by the law
00:23:38 they’re they’re not yeah they’re judged
00:23:41 by the whims of somebody
00:23:43 across the country either but anyways
00:23:46 whatever it’s not supposed to be judging
00:23:48 on a hunch right right and that’s where
00:23:50 you know I have two with special
00:23:52 Witnesses who observed what happened not
00:23:55 just witnesses that are your buddies
00:23:57 witnesses that actually observed what
00:23:59 happened
00:24:00 right I mean we could look at the
00:24:02 definition of witness but I I we’re
00:24:04 sidetracking more and more so anyway
00:24:07 yeah that’s a squirrel that’s a
00:24:08 different squirrel yeah it’s a different
00:24:09 squirrel but just to go back to the
00:24:11 discernment ronai seven teaches it
00:24:14 and then it’s by the law Torah right
00:24:17 once you understand the imagery that’s
00:24:19 there
00:24:20 right and it’s interesting going back to
00:24:24 the imagery of the snake
00:24:27 Satan will will come
00:24:30 as an angel of Light as
00:24:34 in that
00:24:35 when we keep our own law we are all law
00:24:38 unto ourselves Satan is a lot unto
00:24:41 himself and the law is life
00:24:44 that’s so he will appear so so he can
00:24:48 make his thing so he can make his
00:24:50 lawlessness appear as long
00:24:53 right that’s why and I’m just trying to
00:24:56 bring out that’s partly why he can
00:24:58 appear as an angel of Light because he’s
00:25:02 bringing his own law
00:25:04 which is I mean his is really really
00:25:07 really really dim I don’t know if I said
00:25:10 that enough but you get the point right
00:25:11 right right
00:25:13 um but also in the DNC it states I’m
00:25:17 pretty sure probably 88.
00:25:19 that you will become a law unto yourself
00:25:22 your own law right
00:25:25 to build this concept more pull uh pull
00:25:29 up pull up Doctrine Covenant section 88
00:25:30 and I’ll and I’ll read those verses for
00:25:32 you now you probably know exactly which
00:25:34 verse too yeah I know exactly where I’m
00:25:37 going
00:25:38 and he’s like I’ve only done a little
00:25:41 research uh yeah
00:25:45 in my heart
00:25:54 honestly I still don’t I still don’t
00:25:57 have it memorized I’m working on that
00:26:01 well that’s um that’s okay I’m not too
00:26:04 surprised you’re actually working on
00:26:05 memorizing it but anyways okay what
00:26:08 verse okay it’s a they’ll start in verse
00:26:12 34 again and again verily sorry because
00:26:16 this this is the key this is the Crux
00:26:19 this tells us uh that this tells us
00:26:25 um
00:26:26 this tells us by what we are sanctified
00:26:30 and how we are not
00:26:33 and again verily I say unto you that
00:26:35 which is governed by law is also
00:26:37 preserved by law and perfected and
00:26:40 Sanctified by the same
00:26:42 and that which breakth the law and about
00:26:44 and abideth not by law but seeketh to
00:26:47 become a law unto itself and willeth to
00:26:50 abide in sin this will of to abide in
00:26:53 sin is connected to becoming a law unto
00:26:56 yourself willeth to abide in sin and
00:26:59 altogether abideth in sin cannot be
00:27:02 Sanctified by law neither by Mercy
00:27:05 Justice nor judgment therefore
00:27:09 they must remain filthy still
00:27:13 yeah there it is
00:27:15 and it’s in the modern stuff too like
00:27:18 modern modern not just not just the old
00:27:21 stuff I wonder if that means it’s the
00:27:23 same from beginning
00:27:25 to the end
00:27:27 well actually we can go to John chapter
00:27:29 one the uh
00:27:32 translation John chapter one
00:27:35 we did I I was just more being facetious
00:27:38 but essentially if you want to do that
00:27:40 one I’ll we’ll bring up first that’s
00:27:43 what you were doing Stephen I know what
00:27:45 you were doing you were poking The
00:27:46 Embers
00:27:47 [Laughter]
00:27:52 what are you talking about
00:27:56 fire hi okay I well when I’m being
00:28:02 facetious it’s not actually lying just
00:28:04 FYI yeah that’s just joking
00:28:08 and I’m being to see
00:28:11 you okay so let us begin let us begin at
00:28:17 the beginning
00:28:18 of the testimony of John the Baptist
00:28:22 in the beginning was the Gospel preached
00:28:25 through the son
00:28:27 and the gospel was the word
00:28:31 Torah
00:28:32 and the word Torah was with the son
00:28:36 and the son was with God Elohim
00:28:40 and the son was of God Elohim
00:28:43 this is the Joseph Smith translation
00:28:46 the same was in the beginning with God
00:28:49 Elohim all things were made by him and
00:28:53 without him was not anything made which
00:28:55 was made in him was the Gospel and the
00:28:59 gospel was the light and the life was
00:29:01 the light of men
00:29:03 and the light shineth in the world and
00:29:06 the world perceives it not
00:29:10 sorry
00:29:12 then was a man
00:29:13 John sent from God elohit
00:29:16 who’s whose name was John the same John
00:29:19 came into the world for a witness to
00:29:22 Bear witness of the light
00:29:24 to Bear record of the Gospel through the
00:29:26 son unto all that through him John men
00:29:31 might believe he was not that light
00:29:35 but came to bear witness of that light
00:29:38 which is the True Light which giveth
00:29:40 which lighteth every man who cometh into
00:29:43 the world
00:29:44 even the son of God
00:29:46 he who was in the world and the world
00:29:49 was made by him and the world knew him
00:29:51 not
00:29:52 he came onto his own Israel and his own
00:29:56 Israel received if not if but as many as
00:30:00 received it to them gave he power to
00:30:04 become the sons of God Alone
00:30:06 only to them who believe on his name
00:30:09 Authority and character
00:30:12 no I didn’t put a link to the dictionary
00:30:14 I’ll have to update that yeah I’m sorry
00:30:16 yeah that’s it yeah
00:30:18 did you have something she was trying to
00:30:20 say yeah yeah go ahead Sue sorry okay so
00:30:23 maybe it’s just a matter of
00:30:26 he’s jumping in time periods
00:30:29 um but
00:30:31 he’s first he’s talking about in the
00:30:33 beginning as though he signed out in the
00:30:36 beginning of the world yeah yeah that’s
00:30:39 exactly and he talks about Torah Torah
00:30:41 being there in the beginning and then
00:30:42 all of a sudden
00:30:43 he jumps to John which was quite a ways
00:30:46 from the beginning of the world
00:30:48 yeah that’s a huge time Jump yes but I
00:30:51 think the the main point he’s doing is
00:30:53 tying who was in the beginning to who
00:30:56 John is testifying of
00:30:58 that’s what he’s doing okay
00:31:01 all right does that make sense right
00:31:02 okay and so the main point is John
00:31:06 he’s in a very important side note here
00:31:10 uh and especially when this was written
00:31:12 it was a very important side note as in
00:31:15 that he he’s the one he was the mighty
00:31:18 one of that time he’s the one that
00:31:20 prepared the way for
00:31:22 um oh the mighty one prepares the way I
00:31:25 thought there were different steps
00:31:30 so John the Bell there is Joan the
00:31:32 Baptist is the mighty one he’s the one
00:31:35 that sets the past straight right the
00:31:39 procure right well he’s not the per so I
00:31:43 believe the preparer in this instance is
00:31:45 the righteous one that’s talked about in
00:31:48 the Dead Sea Scrolls
00:31:50 and this is a side track
00:31:52 John I’m not reading the Dead Sea
00:31:55 Scrolls it’s been a long time now I mean
00:31:57 it was like oh my goodness
00:32:01 um 40 years ago when I was reading the
00:32:03 Dead Sea Scrolls but anyway well you’re
00:32:04 ahead of my time I’m only 43. yeah I’m
00:32:08 an old woman yeah
00:32:09 um
00:32:11 I’ve got great grandkids
00:32:14 um anyway
00:32:17 um
00:32:18 I wondered very often if that teacher
00:32:22 that they were talking about wasn’t
00:32:23 Christ oh it wasn’t it was the preparer
00:32:26 he the preparer the righteous one was
00:32:30 the Joseph Smith of their day
00:32:32 John is the mighty one
00:32:36 the the righteousness became the Messiah
00:32:39 and then came the Messiah
00:32:41 well how come the rest of the society
00:32:43 didn’t know about the the righteous one
00:32:46 well or didn’t he was the preparer so
00:32:50 the the teacher The Righteous Teachers
00:32:52 that’s talked about in the Dead Sea
00:32:54 Scrolls I think I remember the term
00:32:55 right
00:32:56 he
00:32:58 um
00:32:59 kind of got things ready for John the
00:33:01 Baptist John the Baptist was an Aseem
00:33:05 which is the Dead Sea Community he he
00:33:07 grew up there
00:33:09 that’s who he learned from
00:33:14 I don’t know is that in the Dead Sea
00:33:16 Scrolls does it talk about John and the
00:33:18 Dead Sea Scrolls uh not specifically
00:33:22 um let me see if I can find a book for
00:33:24 you that actually does this hold on
00:33:27 um I
00:33:29 bet yeah but that is a but that’s a
00:33:31 pretty cool connection to make right
00:33:33 yeah but so John the Baptist was the
00:33:37 mighty one of his day I I mean they use
00:33:41 the other term Goliath right or like I
00:33:44 think it’s the Elias I I always get
00:33:45 those Elias Elias I like the mighty one
00:33:49 term boar because it’s easier for me to
00:33:51 say
00:33:52 but it’s the same thing okay
00:33:54 um he is of that of that day where we’re
00:33:57 waiting for that one to to set the past
00:34:00 right straight before the second coming
00:34:03 because that same pattern needs to
00:34:05 happen again
00:34:06 um
00:34:12 we had to prepare it
00:34:14 well the preparers Joseph Smith
00:34:17 right
00:34:18 oh you’re talking mighty one we’re
00:34:20 waiting for the mudding
00:34:22 mm-hmm oh God yep yep he prepares the
00:34:26 way who prepares the way for the Messiah
00:34:34 it’s just um
00:34:44 [Music]
00:34:46 reached I haven’t seen him oh so the
00:34:49 Reeds move is the one of uh hearing
00:34:52 that’s famous for polygamy arguments
00:34:55 right I I haven’t listened to it yet but
00:34:57 I do I have
00:34:59 it’s on my to-do list as you can see um
00:35:01 so what is this you’re going down these
00:35:04 are my books on Audible
00:35:07 okay and so I’m trying to find the Dead
00:35:10 Sea audible book that talks about John
00:35:12 and
00:35:14 um
00:35:17 that talks about how the uh John learned
00:35:20 from the essenes and it brings out
00:35:23 patterns on that
00:35:25 um
00:35:30 maybe this one maybe this one
00:35:34 I I’m not a hundred percent sure but
00:35:37 let’s see if maybe
00:35:43 I don’t care about the author name
00:35:46 I want to search the description about
00:35:48 the
00:35:48 uh
00:35:51 or author name no so
00:35:54 I’ll I’ll give you this link
00:35:58 um
00:36:00 I
00:36:01 I’m iffy if this is one is not it
00:36:06 um but we’re sidetracking a little too
00:36:08 much I can try to do some more looking
00:36:10 later if that’s okay
00:36:12 um but there yeah there is a audiobook I
00:36:15 have that talks about the Dead Sea and
00:36:17 John the Baptist and this one might be
00:36:20 it
00:36:22 um and it brings out how John learned
00:36:25 from that Community I don’t know the
00:36:28 timing if he was alive at the same time
00:36:30 as the teacher
00:36:33 um but I and they didn’t they didn’t
00:36:35 call him the you know
00:36:37 the patterns that I am I’m just bringing
00:36:40 out a pattern that I’m seeing in
00:36:41 addition to it okay the pattern of the
00:36:44 three but anyways
00:36:46 um
00:36:47 I think we can probably go back to what
00:36:50 we were actually trying to do unless you
00:36:52 want a little more on that too
00:36:53 no that’s fine okay
00:36:56 um but I gave you the link I think
00:36:57 that’s it and we can talk more about it
00:36:59 later
00:37:00 um maybe one just during we take our
00:37:03 little break for a Sacrament but anyways
00:37:05 okay
00:37:07 well my bedtime is 10 so oh how much
00:37:12 time do you have right now then
00:37:15 an hour uh in four minutes well let’s
00:37:18 get sick let’s get Sacrament underway
00:37:20 yeah so let’s pause then
00:37:22 um
00:37:23 I gotta hit the right pause
00:37:26 cool
00:37:29 so
00:37:31 in the Book of Mormon in in
00:37:34 Torah
00:37:37 just before Moses did the miracle
00:37:41 of parting the Red Sea you know what he
00:37:44 said or at least something close to it
00:37:46 anyways
00:37:50 behold
00:37:51 the salvation of Yahweh
00:37:55 wow
00:37:58 he
00:37:59 literally
00:38:01 saved them
00:38:03 by taking them through this water
00:38:09 the deep sea
00:38:12 which
00:38:13 sadly we complain about
00:38:17 because the deep sea is symbolism of the
00:38:21 chaos that we live through
00:38:24 but
00:38:25 side note of that
00:38:27 the mighty one who is coming
00:38:30 whatever he’s doing
00:38:35 it will make it so they stop talking
00:38:37 about Moses
00:38:38 if one can believe that
00:38:41 well I do because the scriptures say it
00:38:43 but it’s still hard to believe right I
00:38:45 mean yeah yeah because Moses is that guy
00:38:50 yeah he’s the guy that he’s the guy
00:38:53 pretty much everybody talks about in
00:38:55 fact even to the point Yeshua put a
00:38:59 really big focus on him right let me let
00:39:02 me
00:39:05 let me share I I don’t
00:39:09 I don’t I don’t know just a sec I’m just
00:39:11 gonna grab my scriptures real quick
00:39:17 go ahead
00:39:19 um so maybe I’ll pause for just a minute
00:39:21 while you’re oh no worries no worries
00:39:24 so
00:39:26 um
00:39:28 this one no
00:39:32 uh
00:39:37 I can find it in my notes sorry guys
00:39:48 this one that’s the other one okay
00:39:52 Joshua made Jesus made such a big deal
00:39:55 about Moses
00:39:57 here’s what he said
00:40:02 for had you believed Moses you would
00:40:05 have believed me for he wrote Of Me
00:40:09 but if you believe not his writings
00:40:13 AKA Torah
00:40:15 how shall you believe my words
00:40:21 now this is re-emphasized in the Book of
00:40:24 Mormon okay
00:40:26 first Nephi 19 23 I did read many things
00:40:29 unto them my men and Lemuel
00:40:32 which were written
00:40:35 written
00:40:36 in the book of Moses or sorry Moses of
00:40:41 Moses
00:40:42 but that I might more fully persuade
00:40:46 them to believe the Yahweh their
00:40:48 redeemer
00:40:51 I did read unto them that which was
00:40:53 written by the prophet Isaiah for I did
00:40:55 like in all scriptures
00:40:58 unto us that it might be for our prophet
00:41:01 and learning
00:41:06 Nephi
00:41:07 and Yeshua
00:41:09 found the writings of Moses
00:41:12 to point them to the Messiah
00:41:17 if you’re rejecting Torah
00:41:20 you’re rejecting the Messiah
00:41:24 you know the Messiah is the perfect
00:41:27 personification
00:41:30 of the Torah
00:41:35 the law tells us who he is
00:41:41 if you don’t believe Moses you will not
00:41:44 believe yeshua’s words
00:41:47 period
00:41:52 or you will believe a skewed version of
00:41:55 his words
00:41:56 which is the Antichrist
00:41:59 the version of Jesus that gets taught in
00:42:03 Christianity is the Antichrist
00:42:07 goat
00:42:08 The Book of Revelation talks about when
00:42:11 he comes
00:42:13 or actually just before he comes
00:42:15 sane will be reviling against those who
00:42:18 keep his law
00:42:22 and Christianity and actually Judaism
00:42:25 actually but in a different way teaches
00:42:29 us
00:42:29 to not keep the law
00:42:33 but yet in Revelations just before the
00:42:36 second coming
00:42:37 Satan is reviling against those who keep
00:42:43 the law and the testimony of Yeshua
00:42:48 both and our Victory is found in
00:42:52 faithfulness even unto death not loving
00:42:56 our own lives more than we love the
00:42:59 testimony of Jesus and where and that
00:43:04 and that testimony of Jesus can be found
00:43:09 foreign
00:43:16 you will not find
00:43:19 you will not find a stronger testimony
00:43:21 of Jesus
00:43:23 and that’s the last part of your honor
00:43:25 me for those who don’t know I don’t
00:43:26 remember the exact chapter but it is the
00:43:28 last part of Deuteronomy but anyways
00:43:34 yeah
00:43:35 that song was to help
00:43:39 people know
00:43:42 who the Messiah is
00:43:44 because Moses knew they would reject him
00:43:48 and he was trying to at least get to a
00:43:51 remnant
00:43:53 to get them to see him when he came
00:44:00 and will come in our time
00:44:03 um
00:44:05 in this generation
00:44:09 it’s been three
00:44:10 and four generations since the starting
00:44:14 of the restoration
00:44:17 the time is near I don’t know exactly
00:44:19 when
00:44:21 the time is near
00:44:23 yes
00:44:24 I said near not soon because soon’s an
00:44:27 interesting word but anyway sorry
00:44:29 just to throw a little joke
00:44:34 um
00:44:39 anyways
00:44:40 um
00:44:42 if you don’t believe the words of Moses
00:44:47 you don’t believe the words of
00:44:49 your Messiah
00:44:54 if you don’t agree on Earthly things
00:44:57 with the Messiah how in the hell are you
00:45:02 going to agree with Heavenly things with
00:45:04 the Messiah
00:45:09 I’m being blunt but
00:45:12 it is true
00:45:14 if you can’t agree how to do Heavenly
00:45:18 things down here on Earth
00:45:20 how are you going to agree with the
00:45:23 Messiah to do Heavenly things in heaven
00:45:27 you’re not
00:45:29 if you simply will not
00:45:33 and the Messiah is who gave the Torah
00:45:40 the Messiah is Yahweh Elohim
00:45:44 in fact
00:45:53 let’s take the Book of Mormon for his
00:45:55 word
00:45:56 and so 35 1918 behold they began to pray
00:46:01 and they did pray unto Yeshua
00:46:04 calling him their Yahweh their Elohim
00:46:12 he is our God period
00:46:15 but
00:46:18 um period period period
00:46:21 ah
00:46:24 um title page
00:46:29 the title page is about
00:46:31 the purposes of the Book of Mormon okay
00:46:33 and there’s multiple purposes but here’s
00:46:36 the one that goes along with what I’m
00:46:37 stating here
00:46:39 and also the convincing of the Jew and
00:46:42 the Gentile we all here grew up as
00:46:45 Gentiles correct
00:46:47 if not I mean we can bring it from the
00:46:49 DNC if you want but anyways
00:46:51 that Yeshua is the Messiah the Eternal
00:46:55 Elohim
00:46:56 manifesting himself unto all nations
00:47:01 that is from the title page
00:47:04 of the Book of Mormon from the gold
00:47:06 plates Moroni wrote that
00:47:08 Moroni knew what he was stating
00:47:11 he knew what he was stating
00:47:17 anyways
00:47:19 he is my God my Elohim my
00:47:24 judge
00:47:28 and I will listen to him over anybody
00:47:30 else
00:47:32 aka the first commandment no judge
00:47:35 before me
00:47:38 he is a mental judge
00:47:41 there are others
00:47:43 who can be
00:47:45 above us as he set forth judges but
00:47:49 there is none above him he is the top
00:47:53 priority
00:47:55 Numero Uno
00:47:58 anyways sorry I’ll stop now
00:48:04 um
00:48:07 so I’m gonna pause we’re willing to so
00:48:11 which one do you want first which first
00:48:15 let’s
00:48:16 um let’s go to Genesis chapter one oh
00:48:20 that one yeah oh I know where you’re
00:48:23 going I don’t have that one in my notes
00:48:24 so
00:48:26 we’ll go somewhere else
00:48:29 um but I know where you’re going at
00:48:31 foreign
00:48:33 actually I’m gonna go Bible Hub right
00:48:36 because that’s where I taught it to you
00:48:39 from
00:48:41 well I’m going yeah I’m going to 114.
00:48:44 oh okay so actually I’m gonna go
00:48:47 somewhere else then so you’re going a
00:48:49 little different than I was thinking but
00:48:50 that’s fine yeah
00:48:52 the first the first thing that we need
00:48:55 the first thing let’s go this one
00:48:59 yes okay here we go
00:49:02 foreign
00:49:04 God
00:49:05 Elohim said let there be lights sun and
00:49:09 moon in the firmament of Heaven to
00:49:11 divide the day from the night and let
00:49:14 them be for signs and for seasons and
00:49:17 for days and years now that word Seasons
00:49:21 when you go into when you get when you
00:49:24 take it down to the Hebrew the word is
00:49:27 actually Morgan uh I’m just going to be
00:49:31 extra thorough I’m going to go Genesis 1
00:49:33 14 and we’ll click it from there
00:49:36 yep
00:49:43 yeah so all right look right here I’m
00:49:46 going to click on it it’s gonna open a
00:49:48 tab
00:49:50 [Music]
00:49:51 um
00:49:55 pointed time a place or meeting
00:50:01 so seasons is actually appointed times
00:50:07 what comes to us as seasons is actually
00:50:10 appointed times if you go back and
00:50:13 interject to hear a little bit
00:50:14 uh Lux I’m articles of faith I forget
00:50:17 which number
00:50:19 we believe in the Bible as far as is
00:50:21 translated correctly
00:50:24 I I like the King James probably because
00:50:27 I grew up on it and there’s the jst on
00:50:30 it
00:50:31 but they get pretty lazy questions are
00:50:36 not suspect they’re suspect okay
00:50:40 and and if you want we can go into
00:50:43 Genesis one one through two even that
00:50:46 even that’s yeah Genesis 1
00:50:48 one through two is a new moon day and
00:50:52 and I’ll I I’m gonna I’ll shut up
00:50:54 because I’m letting Ben drive right now
00:50:56 but just FYI
00:50:58 yeah so
00:51:01 we have established
00:51:03 that Seasons actually means appointed
00:51:07 times
00:51:08 it doesn’t mean summer winter spring
00:51:12 fall it means the appointed times ago
00:51:15 when we have an appointment with yelway
00:51:17 it is determined by the Sun and the Moon
00:51:20 in fact I’m going to interject a little
00:51:22 bit when
00:51:26 Yahweh came at an appointed time it was
00:51:31 a scheduled time it was the time that
00:51:33 Adam knew
00:51:35 that Yahweh was coming down just before
00:51:38 that right
00:51:42 we could go look at the actual account
00:51:44 but he knew Yahweh was coming at that
00:51:47 time
00:51:48 they were supposed to have a walk
00:51:50 together
00:51:52 if you go look at some of the Hebrew
00:51:54 that goes behind it the English
00:51:55 translation how can I talk
00:51:58 yeah yeah
00:51:59 anyways sorry Ben so but but the point
00:52:04 but the point for our new moon day
00:52:06 discussion
00:52:08 is that means appointed times
00:52:12 so Seasons means appointed climb so when
00:52:15 you have an appointment with Yahweh it
00:52:17 is determined by the Sun and the Moon
00:52:19 the the Lord
00:52:24 thank God Elohim made two great lights a
00:52:27 greater light a son to dominant rule or
00:52:31 dominate the day and the Lesser light
00:52:33 moon to rule or dominate the night
00:52:37 and he made the Stars also the thing is
00:52:40 does he say here that the Stars rule
00:52:42 anything
00:52:45 no yeah in fact this in fact that’s why
00:52:47 I’m putting in my glyph it’s kind of a
00:52:49 side note oh and and if you really
00:52:52 wanted to get into details
00:52:54 um the year according to the stars is
00:52:58 longer than the year according to the
00:53:01 Spring Equinox
00:53:03 so
00:53:04 um you can’t use it for Seasons because
00:53:06 it will mess up your seasons
00:53:09 sue you have a question
00:53:12 I have a comment okay yes
00:53:14 um the seasons themselves spring summer
00:53:17 fall are also appointed times appointed
00:53:20 by the Lord
00:53:21 hmm
00:53:23 number one number two
00:53:27 right here and this might be a question
00:53:29 it’s um
00:53:31 where it’s talking about the greater
00:53:33 light to Rule the Day
00:53:36 and the Lesser light now what is the
00:53:38 light the law so there’s a greater law
00:53:41 and a lesser law
00:53:42 to rule the night
00:53:44 well let’s take a look let’s go into the
00:53:46 words the actual original words we’re
00:53:49 talking about right here
00:53:52 that’s 14 right yeah the the this is
00:53:57 actually this is actually part of being
00:53:59 the burial that one’s 16. so yeah that’s
00:54:03 that’s actually part of the end of the
00:54:05 Korean is that we go into the actual
00:54:07 words as they were originally intended
00:54:10 let’s take a look at the word for
00:54:12 greater light uh uh here what is the
00:54:15 humor greater light are there lesser
00:54:16 light Sue
00:54:18 or some of both
00:54:23 well let’s look at both okay so I I’m
00:54:26 actually going to go to the Interlinear
00:54:27 then
00:54:31 um
00:54:35 so greater
00:54:38 uh here’s the Hebrew great large uh
00:54:43 large could definitely go with the sun
00:54:44 there right
00:54:46 but number intensity that’s uh the sun’s
00:54:52 definitely more intense in fact the moon
00:54:54 really reflects the Sun’s light right
00:54:59 um
00:55:00 loud that’s kind of weird that doesn’t
00:55:03 go with this context
00:55:04 [Music]
00:55:04 um
00:55:05 important older
00:55:09 so I I actually believe the sun and the
00:55:12 moon were great at the same time so I
00:55:14 don’t think older goes in this context
00:55:17 personally
00:55:18 but anyways uh important things uh the
00:55:22 sun’s definitely more important than the
00:55:24 moon in fact
00:55:28 is it Malachi 3 I forget Which chapter
00:55:31 three or four it calls Yeshua the sun
00:55:36 s-u-n of righteousness not s o n s u n
00:55:41 well that actually that actually
00:55:44 coincides with one of the definitions
00:55:46 where it said God himself oh did it I
00:55:48 didn’t notice that one so that’s that’s
00:55:50 a good thing to bring out oh yeah oh I
00:55:53 see it now that you mention it
00:55:55 but actually let’s just go
00:55:58 the greater light is God himself yes and
00:56:01 what’s the Lesser light
00:56:04 the Lesser light would be Satan
00:56:09 uh well actually I’m going to disagree
00:56:13 um
00:56:14 no I’m just I’m just pausing so I’m not
00:56:18 just pause itself to throw something out
00:56:19 there
00:56:22 so I I
00:56:25 I I’m not at all I bought it all sold on
00:56:28 that one man
00:56:30 [Music]
00:56:32 the Lesser light here you could
00:56:37 this also deals with the creation
00:56:39 prophecy okay
00:56:42 and the Lesser light is John the Baptist
00:56:44 okay and all lesser light I don’t buy it
00:56:48 well let’s go let’s all right well let’s
00:56:51 go look at what I got oh let’s go back
00:56:53 to the original text and take a look at
00:56:55 Professor let’s take a look at lesser
00:56:57 life
00:56:58 in the original text I think I think
00:57:01 that that it says certain things there’s
00:57:04 certain things have been revealed from
00:57:07 looking at the original text let’s keep
00:57:10 doing that well hold on I I I I do I I
00:57:13 know I have I like my squirrels I I am
00:57:16 going to push this on a squirrel okay
00:57:19 okay
00:57:20 as long as we go back to the original
00:57:22 text no no yeah that’s fine
00:57:25 with the original text I and hey Ben can
00:57:28 you please
00:57:29 in the chat I’m not sure in the chat
00:57:33 okay
00:57:40 which one of these is
00:57:42 it oh thank you uh
00:57:45 uh uh no no no no no that’s not that one
00:57:47 sorry
00:57:49 uh yeah no no it’s not that much more
00:57:53 uh it’s this one okay then what is in
00:57:56 the light when you say the greater light
00:58:00 to Rule the Day what is the day is the
00:58:02 day not when
00:58:05 um we are when we have awakened when we
00:58:09 are full of light when when we are
00:58:12 living the um
00:58:15 and the night
00:58:18 and the night is when we’re in the dark
00:58:21 and when we are still learning and not
00:58:24 yet living and not enough
00:58:27 yes I agree with you on that so this is
00:58:30 a different angle that I’m going up but
00:58:31 I I completely agree with what you’re
00:58:33 stating out right there because even
00:58:36 yeah that actually makes sense I I so I
00:58:39 agree with you this is a different angle
00:58:40 that I was approaching it but I even
00:58:44 um no the people came and
00:58:48 just before yeshua’s
00:58:51 when Yeshua was praying right just
00:58:54 before they the people took him the
00:58:57 temple
00:58:58 the temple guards if I remember
00:59:00 correctly took him when they came and
00:59:03 get him he said
00:59:04 something along me along along the lines
00:59:08 of
00:59:10 this is the time you came to get me
00:59:12 meaning you’re coming to get me during
00:59:15 the time of Satan’s time because night
00:59:17 time is Satan’s time so yes I agree with
00:59:20 that I’m going off of a different angle
00:59:22 of the prophecy that goes along I never
00:59:27 said that that the Lesser like the state
00:59:29 is fine
00:59:31 no
00:59:33 and she said that the Lesser light is
00:59:36 when we are not the Lesser light is when
00:59:38 we’re not fully awake we’re not fully
00:59:41 aware we’re not walking when we’re still
00:59:43 learning
00:59:44 oh right right right oh okay but I I
00:59:48 will say though it the night time is
00:59:51 Satan’s time
00:59:55 there’s multiple angles to this but more
00:59:59 there’s more than one there’s more than
01:00:01 one there’s more than one way there’s
01:00:04 more than one way to look at this so by
01:00:07 that are you because nighttime is
01:00:09 certain time I go with that okay but is
01:00:12 there some kind of scriptural reference
01:00:14 for it like you know the devil or Satan
01:00:17 rules the waters
01:00:20 uh so uh so here’s an interesting on
01:00:22 that one the reason Satan rules the
01:00:25 waters because that’s where the Sea
01:00:27 Beast is
01:00:33 yeah
01:00:34 what are Seabees well the Sea Beast is a
01:00:37 Satan’s Church These teachings
01:00:42 yeah it’s a the mystery the mystery
01:00:44 religion yeah yeah it’s the mystery
01:00:46 religion it’s it’s mystery Babylon
01:00:48 that’s the Sea Beast
01:00:50 but well that’s I so okay one thing so
01:00:55 go ahead too
01:00:56 well you were saying that um
01:00:59 the sun is more important than the moon
01:01:03 um but you were saying they were created
01:01:05 at the same time
01:01:08 in in um let’s see where is it it is in
01:01:12 um hold on just a second
01:01:15 First Corinthians 12.
01:01:17 okay it talks about the parts of the
01:01:20 body and how there’s no one part that’s
01:01:23 more important than the other we need
01:01:25 them all they all have different
01:01:26 assignments they all have different
01:01:28 purposes
01:01:30 um and so they they all have different
01:01:33 apart
01:01:34 that they fill correct for the whole and
01:01:37 I agree with the whole body of Christ
01:01:39 and so all the parts are equal
01:01:47 so the reason why I would still say the
01:01:50 sun is the head the sun is Yeshua the
01:01:53 sun is the messiah
01:01:56 and he’s the most important part the
01:01:58 rest of us are all equal the Messiah is
01:02:01 the most important he directs
01:02:06 the head the head the head the brain
01:02:09 directs all other parts yeah
01:02:13 um so as the body of the Messiah we’re
01:02:16 all equal and I agree with that well see
01:02:19 I I I still don’t know where you get
01:02:22 this idea that the Lesser light is Satan
01:02:24 I don’t believe Satan
01:02:26 I didn’t say I was born I was just
01:02:30 throwing that out as something out there
01:02:32 Stephen is agreeing with you though no
01:02:34 he’s saying that no I don’t know what
01:02:36 he’s saying what he is saying what he is
01:02:40 say he is not saying that the Lesser
01:02:42 light is Satan is
01:02:46 what the greater light is the Elohim
01:02:49 which is a plural word and the Lesser
01:02:52 light is Yeshua Yahweh
01:02:56 um Jesus Christ okay so yes those refer
01:03:01 to Christ and the greater light refers
01:03:05 to the Elohim
01:03:07 and they are not the same they couldn’t
01:03:09 possibly be the same Christ prays he
01:03:12 doesn’t pray to himself he prays to the
01:03:15 father they are two individual beings no
01:03:18 they are not the same
01:03:20 and and when you’re teaching otherwise
01:03:23 is means that I mean I came here to
01:03:27 learn to live the high holy days I
01:03:29 didn’t come here to be preached to I
01:03:31 didn’t hear to argue that’s for sure
01:03:36 why are you arguing Sue let’s go let’s
01:03:39 talk about this
01:03:42 no I’m not let’s go look at this from
01:03:45 scriptures
01:03:47 in this Sacrament prayers we’re praying
01:03:51 to the Eternal Father okay right yeah do
01:03:54 we agree on that in the name of Jesus
01:03:56 Christ we’re not praying wait let me
01:03:59 finish my thought here okay
01:04:02 what does the Book of Mormon Define the
01:04:05 Eternal Father as mosiah 16 15 teach
01:04:09 them that redemptance comings through
01:04:12 the Messiah Yahweh who is the a very
01:04:18 Eternal Father
01:04:21 Emma 11 38 39 now zarom said unto him is
01:04:27 the Son of God the eve very
01:04:31 Eternal Father and amulet said unto him
01:04:34 yea he is the very Eternal Father Of
01:04:38 Heaven and Earth okay so what you’ve
01:04:40 done here
01:04:41 if you’ve gotten several scriptures and
01:04:44 you’ve put them all here together that
01:04:46 back up what you believe okay but there
01:04:49 are other scriptures many of them that
01:04:52 don’t back up with your belief and
01:04:54 they’re not here on your own I’m not
01:04:55 sure
01:05:00 I see very Eternal Father
01:05:12 but that’s not the way I understand it
01:05:14 that I understand this is a very
01:05:17 controversial subject and I didn’t bring
01:05:19 it up you’re the ringing you’re the one
01:05:21 that’s bringing it up
01:05:23 and I’m responding to it okay
01:05:28 go ahead someone’s okay you’re the one
01:05:31 that’s teaching and I’m the one that’s
01:05:33 here supposed to be learning from you
01:05:35 but what I’m learning from you is not
01:05:39 by other things that I have learned and
01:05:42 by the spirit of the Lord
01:05:45 what I’d like to see is all of us be
01:05:47 truth Seekers I don’t know exactly what
01:05:50 student’s position is and I’m not sure
01:05:51 exactly what you’re taking on bridge
01:05:53 with Susan but uh my idea is hey you
01:05:57 know I may have a totally different idea
01:05:58 you’ve got one you’ve got one it’d be
01:06:01 nice if we had a forum where we could
01:06:02 just talk about it openly and you know
01:06:04 talk debate it or at least understand
01:06:06 the issue I don’t really even understand
01:06:08 so to
01:06:12 um and maybe I think Darren let’s maybe
01:06:15 calm down for just a minute and I think
01:06:18 that’s probably a good thing that
01:06:19 Darren’s bringing out I am a modalist
01:06:22 okay
01:06:23 a modalist and let’s just the definition
01:06:26 of a modalist is it the father and the
01:06:30 son is one entity
01:06:36 and the father is a title and so is the
01:06:40 son is a title and I believe well that
01:06:44 the Book of Mormon and the lectures on
01:06:47 faith which Joseph Smith wrote teaches
01:06:50 the exact same thing in fact yesterday
01:06:54 we looked at this
01:06:56 and I I do know this is a controversial
01:06:59 subject because it is
01:07:04 the restoration teaches something
01:07:06 completely different than this
01:07:09 but let’s look at what Joseph Smith
01:07:10 wrote on this okay
01:07:14 so this lecture
01:07:17 yeah
01:07:19 lectures on faith
01:07:21 five is something that Joseph Smith
01:07:23 wrote okay whether if you believe the
01:07:26 lecture it’s in his handwriting right
01:07:28 it’s it’s in his word print it’s in the
01:07:31 way that he it’s in it’s in the way that
01:07:34 he that documents that he it’s written
01:07:37 in the same manner of language and
01:07:39 documents that he wrote are written
01:07:42 yeah so
01:07:45 this is him in fact even those who
01:07:49 people who deny the lectures on faith
01:07:52 that Joseph Smith didn’t write it or
01:07:54 didn’t write too much of it
01:07:57 even those people which I disagree with
01:07:59 on these points okay and I have quotes
01:08:02 for it
01:08:03 but even on this point they all agreed
01:08:05 that lecture five is Joseph Smith okay
01:08:09 there’s really no debate who did this
01:08:12 one they all know Joseph Smith did it
01:08:15 okay
01:08:16 and so the last piece that was hard for
01:08:20 me to resolve on this issue
01:08:24 is this right here there are two
01:08:26 personages
01:08:28 right because I know what the Book of
01:08:30 Mormon says about it and I also
01:08:33 thought I knew what lectures on faith
01:08:35 said on it per two personages
01:08:38 right
01:08:39 what I used to believe that says two
01:08:42 people
01:08:44 information
01:08:47 let’s go look at the definition of
01:08:49 personages okay
01:08:51 so this is not my website
01:08:55 just to make this clear I’m I I use the
01:08:58 1828 all the time okay so you know this
01:09:01 is not my website and there’s Android
01:09:03 apps and there’s replications of it in
01:09:07 fact on my mission I broke the rules and
01:09:09 bought a replica of this on my mission
01:09:13 uh
01:09:14 um so but let’s go look at what this
01:09:18 word actually means it’s not people or
01:09:23 person
01:09:24 okay
01:09:25 personage
01:09:27 noun a man or woman of Distinction as an
01:09:33 illustrious person
01:09:35 one
01:09:38 oh someone’s saying something or is it
01:09:40 just Echo I’m sorry that’s my son in the
01:09:43 background
01:09:46 exterior appearance so exterior is how
01:09:50 someone looks from the outside can we do
01:09:54 we agree on that
01:09:56 sure yep the way it looks from the
01:09:58 outside
01:10:02 um
01:10:03 satire
01:10:06 stature stature
01:10:09 air I I actually I have no idea how that
01:10:12 would fit into this context so
01:10:15 countenance that means counting it oh
01:10:18 yeah is that how they spelled out here
01:10:21 like an area somebody hasn’t air about
01:10:24 them is that I I thought that was yeah
01:10:25 that’s actually the right way to spell
01:10:27 that okay
01:10:29 yeah so that’s their count that is that
01:10:32 that is what air means is countless oh
01:10:35 well I just learned something I didn’t
01:10:36 know that
01:10:37 uh and here’s like an example of it like
01:10:40 as a Paul tall person
01:10:43 or a stately personage
01:10:45 so here’s another important one
01:10:48 um because I think exterior
01:10:51 appearance that to me that’s how they
01:10:54 look from the outside right two
01:10:59 character assumed
01:11:02 so when I hear that that sounds like a
01:11:06 play
01:11:15 um
01:11:20 yeah performance
01:11:23 um when
01:11:24 um
01:11:26 oh no my name
01:11:29 the guy that’s really famous uh for
01:11:32 plays Shakespeare Shakespeare that’s the
01:11:35 name I’m looking for like a Shakespeare
01:11:37 play
01:11:39 I was going to say throughout history
01:11:41 there’s been a lot of them well yeah I’m
01:11:44 a sidetracked there’s a possibility
01:11:47 actually from somebody else but but the
01:11:51 character character assume on a play and
01:11:55 a play oftentimes you’ll have more than
01:11:58 one person and you’ll have a person play
01:12:01 more than one role
01:12:02 I’ve done it several times
01:12:05 right
01:12:06 and so one entity
01:12:10 had two characters in a play
01:12:13 right
01:12:14 I’ve actually played up to 10.
01:12:17 oh okay you’re stretching it
01:12:23 as well be the whole movie so I I would
01:12:26 I get it there’s there’s a chance dude
01:12:30 if I’m understanding you right that uh
01:12:32 maybe it’s just one being and having
01:12:34 different phases or something kind of
01:12:36 along those lines right uh and I I
01:12:41 I wouldn’t call it phases but I would
01:12:44 agree with that which I think you’re
01:12:46 trying to bring out I would bring it out
01:12:48 as more responsibilities or titles okay
01:12:52 is the way that I will put it but I
01:12:55 think we’re in the agreement of that
01:12:57 I’ve just I would prefer
01:13:00 responsibilities or titles okay and so
01:13:03 so Susan what you’re saying is basically
01:13:06 it’s got to be the three personages or
01:13:08 at least two two separate beings
01:13:12 and so it’s not two it’s mini it’s the
01:13:15 Elohim is is the creators of universes
01:13:19 well so Elohim is um
01:13:22 greater light and the Lesser light is
01:13:25 the sun who the God of this world the
01:13:28 father of this world the creator of this
01:13:31 world
01:13:32 who came here as the sun
01:13:35 and prayed to the fathers the father
01:13:39 and that’s what Mormonism teaches and we
01:13:44 will disagree on what Mormonism teaches
01:13:46 as we are right now that’s fine but what
01:13:50 then do you are the major differences
01:13:52 between the Christianity that was
01:13:55 already here
01:13:56 where that false idea is perpetuated
01:14:00 that the father and the son are one in
01:14:03 the same being so that Christianity was
01:14:06 already here when Joseph came what what
01:14:08 is it that he responded so there’s a
01:14:10 difference no so
01:14:12 what Christianity has was was a try on
01:14:16 God
01:14:17 Triune God Triune God three gods in one
01:14:21 I I didn’t say three I said two in fact
01:14:25 lectures on faith actually even States
01:14:27 two percentages in one in fact on this
01:14:32 point let’s go so FYI there’s a
01:14:36 forgotten grammar because you keep
01:14:38 bringing up Elohim as uh plural it’s not
01:14:41 it’s a majestic plural meaning it’s
01:14:44 royalty it’s applied to royalty it’s a
01:14:49 grammar that has been forgotten and
01:14:52 therefore I haven’t forgotten that
01:14:53 grammar is still plural just because she
01:14:56 says we doesn’t make it a singular word
01:15:04 and all the past Queens like because of
01:15:09 who I am we meaning myself and my
01:15:12 position and all the past Queens like me
01:15:15 it’s a plural word
01:15:18 so in
01:15:20 in the Tanakh the Old Testament Elohim
01:15:23 is applied to a single judge and this
01:15:27 video shows multiple examples of that if
01:15:31 it is
01:15:33 plural as today
01:15:36 let me ask you would be correct sorry go
01:15:40 ahead no but but we’re not talking of
01:15:42 today we’re talking about the grammar at
01:15:44 that time and the point is it was
01:15:46 multiple judges that were referred to
01:15:49 that way not one it wasn’t the right
01:15:52 sausages that they were referred to
01:15:54 because it referred to all the judges
01:15:57 who have held that position just like
01:16:00 the queen it was didn’t refer just to
01:16:03 that man but in his position he was
01:16:06 speaking in his position and therefore
01:16:09 he was referring to himself and all the
01:16:12 men who had served let me jump in let me
01:16:14 just jump in real quick okay so so let
01:16:17 me just ask this question to maybe look
01:16:19 at it from a different perspective or
01:16:20 angle my mother was an English teacher
01:16:23 by the way
01:16:24 not a Hebrew one though that’s that’s
01:16:27 really so I guess my point is what is it
01:16:30 what uh what’s the key point of doctrine
01:16:33 that this affects
01:16:41 which is very controversial that the
01:16:44 godhead is not what the LDS church
01:16:46 teaches
01:16:47 that the father and son is the same
01:16:50 person and that the Holy Ghost is the
01:16:53 law
01:16:55 and we don’t have Joseph here to speak
01:16:58 for himself
01:17:01 we have the things that he wrote which
01:17:04 is him and he said it was two personages
01:17:06 and I don’t know why he would have said
01:17:09 that
01:17:11 it’s right here and so here’s one place
01:17:13 two percentages so right we can finish
01:17:16 that dictionary definition but
01:17:18 these are exterior appearance which I
01:17:22 find a key one and I know Ben
01:17:24 um is a little different on me he likes
01:17:27 the character assumed or represented one
01:17:30 more
01:17:31 okay but you’re forgetting the first
01:17:33 line up there where it says personage a
01:17:36 man or a woman of Distinction as an
01:17:40 illustrious personage yeah like like the
01:17:44 Majestic plural
01:17:56 you’re trying to add something here Zach
01:17:59 yes Sue was asking about like
01:18:04 Christianity that
01:18:06 you know of like during his time and now
01:18:09 now
01:18:10 like it’s it’s that was basically
01:18:12 started by
01:18:14 Rome yeah yeah
01:18:17 right
01:18:18 is Pagan period
01:18:21 try that’s true so but you’re saying the
01:18:25 same thing you’re just no I’m not you’re
01:18:27 just bringing it down you’re not saying
01:18:30 a try on God I mean through a set of
01:18:32 three no that’s true you’re not but
01:18:34 you’re just bringing it down to two to
01:18:36 to to one of two instead of yeah that’s
01:18:40 what’s actually in the Book of Mormon
01:18:42 and right here on lectures on faith
01:18:43 which Joseph Smith wrote
01:18:45 look at the definition of personages
01:18:50 a man or a woman
01:18:54 a man
01:18:55 or woman
01:18:57 or and so the The Majestic plural can be
01:19:01 applied to a man or a woman here it is
01:19:03 being applied to a man not both
01:19:08 so
01:19:10 um
01:19:11 yeah
01:19:14 it says or not both
01:19:17 it’s one or the other yes right and
01:19:20 precise it’s being applied to one man
01:19:24 itself too
01:19:32 actually just
01:19:34 where can we come back on the
01:19:36 definitions to where is two
01:19:40 applied they aren’t they aren’t they’re
01:19:44 not defining personages they’re defining
01:19:47 one person
01:19:48 I mean there’s
01:19:50 and you know the thing is is looking at
01:19:53 the definition there are two exterior
01:19:57 appearances who constitute the great
01:19:59 matchless governing supreme power yes
01:20:03 okay so this is can we let’s go into
01:20:05 what Joseph Smith has said and actually
01:20:08 go past personages so that we can
01:20:11 actually see what he said on the matter
01:20:14 okay there are two persons there are two
01:20:18 personages who constitute the great
01:20:20 matchless governing and supreme power
01:20:23 over all things
01:20:24 by whom all things were created and made
01:20:27 that are created and made whether
01:20:30 visible or invisible whether in heaven
01:20:33 on Earth or in the earth under the Earth
01:20:37 or throughout the immensity of space
01:20:39 they are the father and the son so let’s
01:20:43 pause
01:20:44 who created Heaven and Earth
01:20:50 the Sun
01:20:51 the Eternal Father who is Yeshua this is
01:20:55 applying the exterior appearances to who
01:20:58 created heaven and earth
01:21:01 and your definition of the godhead too
01:21:03 the father did not create it only the
01:21:06 son did but this is stating these two
01:21:08 personages
01:21:09 created everything
01:21:15 they are the father so if I’m a
01:21:19 so you have God or Elohim in the temple
01:21:23 ceremony anyway and then you have
01:21:25 Jehovah and Michael
01:21:28 so to answer your question who created
01:21:30 the Earth so first of all I the LDS
01:21:35 brighamite temple ceremony is a cult I
01:21:37 know and we should not use that for
01:21:39 trying to find truth we should use
01:21:41 scriptures okay I don’t disagree because
01:21:44 in fact just a little tidbit for you and
01:21:46 Brigham Young’s time there was four
01:21:49 in that ceremony and not three as there
01:21:52 is now
01:21:53 but that’s a little side note just FYI
01:21:57 a good one I went to the temple in 1987
01:22:01 for the changes and so I’m well aware
01:22:04 so let’s so let’s go back let’s go back
01:22:08 to wherever to where we were so we have
01:22:11 here established that the father and son
01:22:14 uh the Joseph Smith is stating that the
01:22:17 father and the son to the Father and Son
01:22:19 created heaven and earth okay so this is
01:22:23 where I’m bringing out how
01:22:25 The Book of Mormon states only the Sun
01:22:28 created the Earth Heaven no Estates
01:22:31 Heaven and Earth
01:22:33 we can go we can go double check me if
01:22:35 you would like yeah actually let’s yes
01:22:38 let’s double check let’s double check
01:22:41 that’s what Berean should do is go
01:22:42 double check right so
01:22:45 foreign
01:22:47 but again you it depends on what how
01:22:50 you’re using the word Heaven too
01:22:53 yeah Heaven is a vast huge Place well
01:22:57 well there’s a lot of scriptures so
01:23:00 Stephen what what are you you what is
01:23:02 this here this tool that you’re using
01:23:04 this is this is one note this right here
01:23:07 is one these are my notes
01:23:09 in fact if you want
01:23:12 um I give up so just notes to everybody
01:23:16 um just so you’re aware if you are
01:23:18 interested
01:23:21 um yeah
01:23:22 you you can go get go get all my ammo
01:23:26 all right that sounds funny but I’m you
01:23:30 can no man yeah
01:23:35 he’s actually he’s actually not
01:23:37 withholding his notes from you and you
01:23:39 can look up all these things yeah I I
01:23:41 give you everything right there
01:23:44 that link will give you all my notes
01:23:47 that we’re looking at here now I don’t
01:23:50 have everything that’s in my head right
01:23:52 there so right it’s not everything but
01:23:55 it is the majority you can go get it
01:23:58 that’s right there’s your link right
01:24:00 there so yeah so I hide nothing okay
01:24:04 for people to get if they want I think
01:24:07 it’s important always that we go back to
01:24:10 the when there is a dispute for
01:24:12 disagreement that rather than get
01:24:14 unpleasant with each other let me go
01:24:16 back to the scriptures temperature
01:24:21 down so it’s interesting for me to
01:24:23 understand this because I hadn’t heard
01:24:24 of a lot of the terminology a modalist
01:24:26 and you know different things like that
01:24:28 so it’s interesting for me to hear also
01:24:30 so you’re a little interesting
01:24:33 let me see if I understand what you’re
01:24:35 saying
01:24:37 here you’re saying
01:24:41 and and correct me if I’m wrong because
01:24:43 I could be very wrong you’re saying that
01:24:47 you believe or you have studied and and
01:24:49 you feel like you have been told that
01:24:53 Elohim
01:24:55 and Yeshua
01:24:58 are
01:25:00 the same person just in different modes
01:25:05 uh basically yes in fact you’ll see
01:25:08 through the Book of Mormon and the
01:25:10 Tanakh the Elohim and Yahweh is used
01:25:13 interchangeably all over the place
01:25:17 Bible and Tanakh which is the Old
01:25:19 Testament it uses Elohim and
01:25:22 Yahweh interchangeably all over the
01:25:25 place in fact sometimes they’ll put it
01:25:27 right next to each other the Book of
01:25:29 Mormon does too yeah it’s all over
01:25:32 the problem is is that James E Talmadge
01:25:36 with his Jesus the Christ has screwed up
01:25:39 a lot of Minds
01:25:42 really well in the temple too and the
01:25:45 temple Center which a lot of it he got
01:25:47 from the temple ceremony but
01:25:49 James E Tallman solidified it with his
01:25:51 book Jesus the Christ
01:25:55 that’s what you mean when you say that
01:25:58 you are a modalist yeah modulus is that
01:26:01 the one entity has two modes one is the
01:26:04 okay
01:26:05 I was a little confused
01:26:08 by by that statement the Catholic church
01:26:12 not that this is a good example because
01:26:15 they were they so Jamie’s Challenge and
01:26:20 the great apostasy he claims that the
01:26:23 Catholic Church lost Authority by
01:26:25 changing the ordinances in councils
01:26:28 which is what the eldest churches
01:26:29 bringing my church is doing right now
01:26:30 but I will disagree with them on that
01:26:33 they never had Authority period
01:26:36 but
01:26:37 an interesting little tidbit with that a
01:26:41 little caveat right there the Catholic
01:26:43 Church used to teach modalism
01:26:46 you can go look at the early Catholic
01:26:49 Church fathers they taught modalism
01:26:51 and not the triangle back the trying God
01:26:54 came into more into play when they got
01:26:57 perverted more by paganism
01:27:00 s the Council of like Sia is where they
01:27:04 the Council of nicaea is where they set
01:27:06 in place the Triune God
01:27:09 yeah that’s where they codified it it
01:27:11 was starting to creep in before that but
01:27:15 Constantine wanted unification in his
01:27:20 Triune God
01:27:21 stuff and they only the only bishops
01:27:25 that were were the majority of the
01:27:28 Bishops that were invited to that
01:27:30 Council kind of pretty much to some
01:27:33 degree already agreed with the Triune
01:27:34 God in some form or manner
01:27:37 and Jesus baptism that there were the
01:27:40 three you know entities I guess
01:27:43 right
01:27:44 um
01:27:45 right and we can go talk about that
01:27:48 um because it the probably the hardest
01:27:51 part to accept and the modalism is that
01:27:54 Yeshua prayed to himself and I
01:27:57 acknowledge that but at the same time
01:28:01 you’re saying that Yeshua was praying to
01:28:04 himself yeah I did
01:28:07 do you talk to yourself
01:28:09 all the time I don’t by the way I’m not
01:28:11 throwing that out I’m not disagreeing
01:28:13 because I think there is a huge part
01:28:16 when we talk about the coming of the
01:28:18 Lord I think that’s an analogy for all
01:28:20 of us you know 122 and in my fall in the
01:28:24 followers of Christ group but I mean
01:28:25 there’s just a very few number of us
01:28:27 that are at this point and I guess what
01:28:30 I’m trying to say is uh you know we are
01:28:34 the Lord when we realize hey we’re
01:28:37 responsible for our destiny you know not
01:28:40 I will disagree with that and that to me
01:28:43 is more new age Christ Consciousness
01:28:46 that’s going on because I I’m not Yahweh
01:28:49 I can’t I don’t know I don’t no no no no
01:28:51 no no no I I don’t need to suggest that
01:28:54 I am that person uh no what I’m
01:28:59 suggesting is that we have to come to a
01:29:02 realization of the power that we have as
01:29:05 Divine beings and children of God to
01:29:08 become like that and that means so we we
01:29:12 actually have no power the only Power
01:29:14 that we have is Lent to us from Yeshua
01:29:18 who never broke the law No Doubt
01:29:21 so I agree we have no power we have
01:29:24 broken
01:29:26 we we do those two I mean it’s not our
01:29:29 power it’s it’s like Rush Limbaugh used
01:29:31 to say Talent on loan from God you know
01:29:34 well sure I I I’m throwing in to make
01:29:37 sure that we know it’s only the only
01:29:39 Power that we have is Lent to us from
01:29:41 Yahweh period yeah
01:29:44 we have not on on our own accord yeah I
01:29:49 agree totally and as we choose to walk
01:29:53 in and walk in the ways of Yeshua in the
01:29:57 footsteps of Yeshua
01:29:59 [Music]
01:30:01 then we are entrusted with more and more
01:30:05 power but we have but we have to walk in
01:30:07 his footsteps which is the wall I I I
01:30:10 think that’s one way of looking at it is
01:30:12 walking in his footsteps but I also
01:30:14 think like we were talking yesterday
01:30:15 about the angel that came to Alma the
01:30:17 younger people that are in tune with
01:30:21 with the law you know I guess and the
01:30:24 law I think you have to first say it’s
01:30:26 uh love God and love your neighbor and
01:30:29 then the law in the Books of Moses uh I
01:30:33 appreciate your definition of that Ben
01:30:34 and your testimony the other day but so
01:30:36 I’m just saying that uh so we’ve got
01:30:40 these uh
01:30:42 anyway I’m just saying we’ve got those
01:30:44 two lies so that’s that’s where I focus
01:30:48 everything
01:30:48 well the one thing on that I’ll just say
01:30:51 real quick that a lot of people love to
01:30:53 leave out hangs all the law and the
01:30:56 prophets all right for sure the law and
01:30:59 the prophets are teaching us how Yahweh
01:31:01 wants us to love him and other people
01:31:04 yeah and become one so when it’s an
01:31:08 extension and by extension the other
01:31:09 part that a lot of people Overlook is
01:31:12 the last part of that statement
01:31:14 where they say love thy neighbor
01:31:16 as they say yeah yeah it’s and and it’s
01:31:20 not that we become one with each other
01:31:22 or that we all come to consensus it’s
01:31:26 that we become one with God through
01:31:29 having his law written Upon Our Hearts
01:31:32 which is the very definition of the
01:31:34 broken
01:31:35 heart exactly it’s not that we take a
01:31:39 vote and say or someone has the best
01:31:41 argument that this is what it is that’s
01:31:43 right because that’s what a lot of these
01:31:45 groups do they just want consensus
01:31:48 within the people
01:31:50 it’s a consensus with yahweh’s words
01:31:52 that’s what makes this one we’re one in
01:31:56 Yeshua not one within the group
01:31:59 and there’s right right a completely
01:32:02 different approach and purpose and goal
01:32:06 in those two different ways of thinking
01:32:09 because one is actually universalism
01:32:12 which is what Catholic is and then one
01:32:17 is united with he always ancient in
01:32:20 Eternal ways
01:32:22 children
01:32:24 so yeah yeah
01:32:26 but you see what I’m saying Ben Ben used
01:32:28 the metaphor of walking in the footsteps
01:32:31 I’m saying it’s like you know congealing
01:32:33 as all these Sovereign individuals
01:32:35 around the you know the way the truth
01:32:38 and the life
01:32:39 he actually gets that metaphor from
01:32:41 scriptures though too
01:32:43 um
01:32:45 and that’s and the um
01:32:48 we are only Sovereign inside the will of
01:32:52 Yahweh
01:32:53 if we are outside the will of health or
01:32:56 not we are a slave to Satan and we are
01:32:58 up the Dust
01:33:00 yeah so we are only sovereign
01:33:05 as we walk
01:33:08 yeah I’d say of our Sovereign truly
01:33:12 Sovereign but sovereignty I’m looking at
01:33:15 it more from a political definition in
01:33:18 the world in in our world each
01:33:21 individual is a sovereign unto
01:33:23 themselves that they can choose good or
01:33:25 evil okay I totally agree with what
01:33:28 you’re saying yeah okay yeah so just
01:33:31 this is where and I would get it too
01:33:34 where at least one place that we are to
01:33:36 walk in his footsteps this is first John
01:33:39 2 uh three through six no no no
01:33:42 absolutely he’s right on I didn’t mean
01:33:43 to disparage the it’s right on yeah that
01:33:47 that’s that’s where the truth that’s
01:33:49 where the truth and that’s where the
01:33:50 true sovereignty comes in now you’re all
01:33:52 free to chewed we’re all free to choose
01:33:55 captivity or we the the the the the
01:33:58 thing that’s in or that sovereignty that
01:34:00 you’re talking about we we get to choose
01:34:04 what we do the walk and the path that we
01:34:06 can take either it’s the straight and
01:34:09 narrow or the vast and wide we don’t get
01:34:12 to pick the consequences that happen
01:34:15 because of it and we also don’t get to
01:34:18 redefine the broad and wide as the
01:34:21 straight narrow
01:34:28 guess what it didn’t go from this to
01:34:31 this
01:34:32 right it stayed there right right and it
01:34:36 stayed exactly the same
01:34:37 yeah it didn’t change in fact Galway
01:34:40 States his ways don’t change
01:34:42 and if you want we can Sidetrack it down
01:34:44 a little bit but we should maybe more go
01:34:47 back to the other subject but uh we we
01:34:50 are actually I was actually trying to
01:34:52 give Susan what she came here for
01:34:55 which was information
01:34:58 on the new moon I
01:35:00 [Laughter]
01:35:03 and we got sidetracked into an argument
01:35:06 and I and that’s okay
01:35:09 that was like a maze of all sorts of
01:35:13 stuff somehow
01:35:14 near me
01:35:19 I might have triggered it on accident
01:35:21 and I didn’t mean to cause it but I I am
01:35:25 a modalist and that is what I see Joseph
01:35:27 Smith in the Book of Mormon the Old
01:35:30 Testament and the New Testament teaching
01:35:31 and I’m happy to go into that but maybe
01:35:34 we take a little break from that I yeah
01:35:37 let Ben finish and then we can go back
01:35:39 so that way we’ll let the Steam and
01:35:42 obviously don’t even go back I think
01:35:45 there’s a lot more about the law that we
01:35:46 can focus on that I don’t know about
01:35:48 that’s that’s a concern uh I don’t even
01:35:51 know if it’s a concern I think I might
01:35:53 sort of agree with you but to the extent
01:35:55 that Susan’s point is saying you know
01:35:57 this this plural Majestic which is the
01:36:00 word that you use but I think Susan’s
01:36:02 trying to say if I understood her right
01:36:03 is uh you know there’s there’s like a
01:36:07 chain
01:36:09 so she’s stating the Majestic plural is
01:36:12 pointing to multiple people and so she’s
01:36:15 saying it’s pointing to the office I I
01:36:18 think and she can correct me but the way
01:36:20 that I would interpret what she’s saying
01:36:22 the Majestic plural is pointing to the
01:36:24 office of the people that’s in that
01:36:26 office where I’m stating it actually
01:36:28 points to a specific person
01:36:32 yeah
01:36:34 not an Old English
01:36:36 that’s but that’s good I mean I can see
01:36:39 why this is so controversial this is a
01:36:41 good topic Hebrew scriptures are Hebrew
01:36:44 not Old English yeah but it
01:36:48 and then Elohim refers is Hebrew but
01:36:51 Queen
01:36:53 the Queen of England is English and she
01:36:57 was reading that when that queen says we
01:37:00 are not amused or whatever she’s saying
01:37:02 we she’s speaking of herself in her
01:37:05 position
01:37:06 as Queen and referring to that
01:37:12 because
01:37:14 Stephen can we let people finish we all
01:37:17 need to talk we all need to talk sorry
01:37:19 sorry
01:37:22 well anyway I’ve made my point that’s
01:37:24 that’s old English and and that’s what
01:37:26 we’re dealing in English right now even
01:37:28 though Elohim is a Hebrew word
01:37:31 a Hebrew word that’s plural in the same
01:37:34 manner in which the word Queen is or the
01:37:37 word we used by a queen is is plural and
01:37:42 she’s talking about herself okay so
01:37:46 behind her
01:37:47 right
01:37:49 um okay
01:37:51 okay
01:37:52 so that we have finished so now we have
01:37:55 the Crux we now we have the Crux of
01:37:59 where so I think now we have the Crux of
01:38:02 where we are
01:38:05 now we’re in now we have that all kind
01:38:08 of crystallized
01:38:09 can we go back to the new moon day sure
01:38:11 I I just did that
01:38:16 so
01:38:18 okay and maybe I opened I’m
01:38:21 looking data Maybe I opened that up
01:38:23 because I read it I’m totally cool I’ve
01:38:27 been learning the whole time so I yeah
01:38:29 yeah yeah
01:38:31 it’s a lot it’s a lot to go and study uh
01:38:35 you know on my own
01:38:37 uh through my own
01:38:44 so if I open so if I opened up that can
01:38:47 of worms hopefully somebody got
01:38:50 something out of it hopefully we got
01:38:51 something out of it together
01:38:53 um
01:38:54 I apologize if I introduced uh
01:38:57 contention my apologies well I
01:38:59 introduced the contention thing
01:39:03 let’s go back to the new moon all right
01:39:06 so let’s go back to the back to the new
01:39:07 moon day let’s go back to uh Genesis
01:39:09 chapter 1 verse 14. oh yeah okay and
01:39:12 we’re going to leave off any discussion
01:39:14 of the godhead yes
01:39:16 that’s off the table right now okay okay
01:39:19 so we’ll go back to it later but yeah
01:39:26 yeah okay so let’s so back to Genesis
01:39:29 chapter 1 verse 14.
01:39:32 I said
01:39:34 and God said
01:39:36 uh was it 14 or 16.
01:39:40 yeah 16 16. okay so we were talking
01:39:44 about the oh we’re talking about things
01:39:46 we caught and talked about greater
01:39:48 that’s wow greater and lesser lights
01:39:50 um so yeah that’s how we got there we
01:39:54 were going into the wording of 16 and I
01:39:56 probably and uh when 14 was sufficient
01:39:59 to illustrate oh and then so the
01:40:03 we were then going off of what the
01:40:05 Lesser light was or or yeah yeah we were
01:40:08 looking to Define we were looking to
01:40:11 define the Lesser light according to I I
01:40:13 so let’s let’s actually do that really
01:40:16 quick and finish up
01:40:21 I I do agree with one the the one angle
01:40:25 that uh Sue brought up okay
01:40:28 um I I was just more
01:40:30 thinking about a different angle
01:40:34 on that and that
01:40:37 in the creation prophecy you know I have
01:40:39 some here and we can talk more about it
01:40:41 later and I I need to update this um but
01:40:44 in the creation prophecy
01:40:47 yeah because the creation is not just an
01:40:49 event it’s a prophecy yeah it is but the
01:40:53 Sun and the Moon is appointed
01:40:56 in the fourth Millennium Yeshua came in
01:40:59 the fourth Millennium and so did John
01:41:01 the Baptist
01:41:03 Yeshua had 12 followers aka the 12 moons
01:41:08 of the year
01:41:09 and this is one part I need to update
01:41:12 here and I
01:41:14 sorry go ahead Sue I thought there were
01:41:17 13 new moons in a year
01:41:20 um that’s that’s on it that’s on
01:41:22 occasion that’s on occasion and that’s
01:41:25 not the ideal
01:41:26 um in fact when this is a little
01:41:28 sidetracked but just to go on that that
01:41:30 Noah when he was alive it was always 12.
01:41:34 it was about 700 BC that it changed to
01:41:37 where sometimes it’s 13 and we can
01:41:39 Sidetrack on that if you want but
01:41:41 actually I mean let’s let’s concentrate
01:41:45 on on what Ben is trying to get through
01:41:47 sure for sure let me let me just finish
01:41:49 this one thought the reason I said that
01:41:53 John the Baptist is the Lesser light is
01:41:55 because
01:41:56 he
01:41:57 is the one that reflects yeshua’s light
01:42:01 when the Sun
01:42:03 Yeshua was here on Earth and in fact
01:42:06 this is non-conical
01:42:09 but there are good sources for it in my
01:42:11 opinion that he had 30 followers just
01:42:14 like there’s 30 days of the Moon
01:42:18 John the Baptist Baptist had 30
01:42:20 disciples
01:42:22 yeah and we could talk about some of
01:42:25 these other points but that’s why I say
01:42:27 that John the Baptist is the Lesser life
01:42:30 and yeah sure it’s the greater light and
01:42:33 then in addition
01:42:34 70 BC is actually during the fourth
01:42:38 Millennium and that’s when you had to
01:42:40 start actually having to look at the Sun
01:42:43 and the Moon
01:42:44 because you couldn’t just count 30. to
01:42:47 get your moon your moon anymore
01:42:50 700 BC yeah yeah give or take 700 BC is
01:42:54 when you actually had to start watching
01:42:56 the Sun and Moon
01:42:58 that’s when the lord it’s when the Lord
01:43:01 moved the sun back on the sun and it’s
01:43:04 when the Lord moved the sun dialed back
01:43:06 for Hezekiah so let me
01:43:09 just let’s go to look at those verses
01:43:16 so the timing to me even of when this
01:43:20 happened helps prove the lunar solar
01:43:23 calendar to me
01:43:25 because it goes along with the creation
01:43:26 prophecy
01:43:28 um
01:43:29 it’s this one right here
01:43:32 so
01:43:33 uh if you have any question I believe in
01:43:35 Joseph Smith this would help
01:43:37 resolve that because here I am quoting
01:43:39 him but he was a cast Caster fist
01:43:43 meaning catastrophe yeah that word that
01:43:47 one I have a speech impediment but
01:43:50 as in there were events in history that
01:43:53 changed things dramatically rather than
01:43:56 the uniformalists uniformis states that
01:43:59 it changes slowly and surely they’re
01:44:01 completely different but anyways
01:44:03 here’s the event in scriptures
01:44:06 uh I think probably the most famous one
01:44:09 is this one though okay I’ll read that
01:44:12 and Hezekiah said unto Isaiah what shall
01:44:15 the sign be what shall be the sign that
01:44:17 the Lord will heal me that I will shall
01:44:20 go up into the house of the Lord on the
01:44:23 third day and Isaiah said the sign shall
01:44:26 this sign shalt thou have the Lord that
01:44:28 the Lord will do the thing with that he
01:44:30 had spoken shall the shadow go forward
01:44:32 10 degrees or go back 10 degrees and
01:44:35 Hezekiah answered it is a light thing
01:44:37 for the shadow to go down
01:44:39 snay but let the shadow return backward
01:44:42 10 degrees
01:44:43 and Isaiah the prophet Cried unto the
01:44:45 Lord and brought the shadow 10 degrees
01:44:47 backwards by which it had gone down in
01:44:50 the dial of a house
01:44:53 and so we have literally an event turned
01:44:58 back time
01:44:59 yeah
01:45:00 it changed time and if you want
01:45:04 um
01:45:05 worlds and collision actually talks
01:45:07 about that event and I believe it was
01:45:09 caused by a change in Mars but anyways
01:45:11 that’s a sidetracked and I I do
01:45:14 understand that some speculation but I
01:45:16 do think there’s a lot of proof for that
01:45:19 but the calendars of the world all
01:45:22 changed from 360 days to 365 at that
01:45:25 point go ahead Zach
01:45:27 could that scripture you’ll still be
01:45:30 like pointing to Yeshua his death and
01:45:32 Resurrection
01:45:34 just because three days and
01:45:40 and um he was close to death oh yeah yep
01:45:43 yep yeah that Hezekiah was a type of
01:45:46 Christ
01:45:47 yes
01:45:48 the third day that’s interesting in the
01:45:51 three days in the tombs and because also
01:45:54 the the
01:45:56 yeah
01:45:57 stuff like that yeah
01:46:00 it’s actually that’s I I agree with you
01:46:04 I hadn’t thought about that but um
01:46:06 looking yeah this is also yes I would
01:46:09 say yes
01:46:11 yeah yeah this whole circumstance is
01:46:13 also a type of Christ while at the same
01:46:15 time it did change times
01:46:18 um seasons so they’re so isn’t that
01:46:21 great isn’t it great when there are like
01:46:23 multiple levels of things that are
01:46:26 happening in the scriptures and there’s
01:46:28 Mysteries that each of us there’s
01:46:30 Mysteries within the law that we can
01:46:32 Discover right right and just with with
01:46:34 Zach’s bringing out it always almost
01:46:37 makes me wonder that 10 degrees could be
01:46:39 the 10 Commandments but I I mean I might
01:46:41 be stretching on that one but I do agree
01:46:43 with the with what Zach just brought out
01:46:45 yeah you might be stretching on that one
01:46:47 but hey that one might be stretching but
01:46:50 it’s ten yeah to me that’s kind of a
01:46:53 stretch yeah I can understand I don’t
01:46:55 even know it might be a stretch right
01:46:56 but anyways yeah so so that’s so okay
01:47:02 so that’s when the time changed
01:47:06 right it’s um but the facts of the
01:47:09 matter remain happened during the fourth
01:47:12 Millennium which is the fourth day when
01:47:15 it talks about the sun and the moon are
01:47:17 appointed
01:47:18 okay so what the facts remain that the
01:47:21 lights of the firmament
01:47:23 decide our appointed times
01:47:27 that God gave us the lights in the
01:47:30 firmament to show us when we have when
01:47:33 we have an appointment with him
01:47:35 yeah and so the lights in the heavens
01:47:38 the sun and the moon are given to show
01:47:41 us when we have an appointment with it
01:47:43 now the sun determines the beginning of
01:47:45 the year
01:47:47 in the spring as of the Spring Equinox
01:47:49 the the new the new year begins the
01:47:52 first full moon after the Spring Equinox
01:47:56 so the Sun and the Moon determine the
01:47:58 beginning of the year so here’s my
01:48:00 little summary
01:48:03 um the day starts at Sunrise the moon
01:48:05 starts the sunrise After the Dark
01:48:07 conjunction and the year starts the
01:48:10 month after the Spring Equinox
01:48:12 so there so yeah so the so the sun
01:48:16 determines the year and also determines
01:48:19 the beginning of the day Sunrise
01:48:21 determines the beginning of the day
01:48:24 well it’s the Sun and the Moon that
01:48:25 determine the year
01:48:27 the sun is the first sign the Moon is
01:48:30 the second that’s right that that even
01:48:33 goes along with um
01:48:36 there’s for signs right there signs are
01:48:39 signals meaning this happened now you
01:48:41 can go look for this right right right
01:48:44 yeah the fact that the yeah so yeah so
01:48:48 the stunt and so we have our our equal
01:48:50 day according to the sundial
01:48:53 spring equinox there’s our first sign
01:48:55 now we look for the new moon and that’s
01:48:58 the beginning of the year
01:49:00 well a new moon and then then Sunrise
01:49:02 dark conjunction in the dark conjunction
01:49:04 yeah the dark conjunction you would just
01:49:07 have to clarify because different people
01:49:09 there’s three typical New Moon there’s
01:49:12 three things that are typically stated
01:49:14 as the new moon
01:49:15 the dark conjunction
01:49:17 first sliver
01:49:20 and there are some that state full moon
01:49:23 but if
01:49:25 you’re interested
01:49:27 um
01:49:32 what did I spell it wrong
01:49:35 yeah my spelling’s not the greatest
01:49:41 um
01:49:48 sorry I just know it’s close to this one
01:49:50 so hold on
01:49:55 no up
01:49:58 Okay so
01:50:05 so this recording if you’re interested I
01:50:08 actually look at
01:50:10 do the cat I show the calculations of
01:50:13 when the Feast of trumpet happens
01:50:17 for free state trumpets that happened
01:50:19 when Joseph Smith got the gold plates
01:50:22 it can’t be off of first liver and
01:50:25 evening and I get into the details on
01:50:27 that if uh anybody it has to be it has
01:50:30 to be off of a dark conjunction with the
01:50:32 day beginning at sunrise
01:50:34 yeah
01:50:36 um so I I believe in the restoration and
01:50:40 I I put in
01:50:42 I’ve done the math on that one but
01:50:45 anyways you can go look at it
01:50:47 um so
01:50:49 a little side note for you
01:50:51 um the issue that I that I have with
01:50:55 this right here that I’m bringing about
01:50:57 most people who believe in the Book of
01:50:58 Mormon and Torah
01:51:00 they’ll go by first liver and evening
01:51:03 but yeah
01:51:04 did not get the gold plates on the day
01:51:07 of trumpets
01:51:09 the Feast of trumpets Feast of trumpets
01:51:12 which is about the day of warning the
01:51:14 trumpets to go shout or warning that’s
01:51:17 why we got the Book of Mormon it’s the
01:51:19 last warning before the second coming
01:51:20 but anyways
01:51:22 um back back to Genesis just just going
01:51:25 along so it had someone would have had
01:51:27 to have come out it would had to have
01:51:28 come out of the ground with a piece of
01:51:30 traffic and it’s the last warning
01:51:32 yeah
01:51:34 um yeah
01:51:36 and so the
01:51:39 even the day that Joseph Smith got the
01:51:41 gold plates
01:51:43 confirms the appointed times that Yahweh
01:51:46 does things at his appointed times which
01:51:49 is the high holidays is another
01:51:52 common name for him now there are there
01:51:55 are three types of Saturns
01:51:58 yeah
01:51:59 when we’re talking about appointed times
01:52:01 we’re talking about Saddles and there
01:52:03 are three kinds of sounds there are
01:52:06 weekly sabbaths
01:52:09 there which is something everybody knows
01:52:10 about right
01:52:12 it’s just a lot of people don’t agree
01:52:14 when that is
01:52:16 yeah there are weekly sabbaths there are
01:52:18 monthly sabbaths the new moon day is a
01:52:22 monthly Sabbath
01:52:26 um and then there are the annual
01:52:27 sabbaths or the high feasts High
01:52:30 holidays
01:52:31 all of those are important right yeah
01:52:37 sir go ahead Sue
01:52:43 what’s the annual Sabbath it’s the high
01:52:47 holidays so it’s the high holiday the
01:52:49 Leviticus
01:52:51 Leviticus 23 it’s Passover
01:52:54 uh Feast of unleavened bread first
01:52:57 fruits Pentecost slash Cheviot
01:53:01 um trumpets atonement and Tabernacles
01:53:06 and also 13 also
01:53:10 um
01:53:10 talks about New Moon days
01:53:14 um
01:53:16 and this and the weekly Sabbath you mean
01:53:18 Leviticus 23.
01:53:20 Leviticus 23 yes Leviticus 23 actually
01:53:23 does also talk about new moon in the
01:53:25 monthly the the monthly can you I’m
01:53:28 pretty sure it does let me check why is
01:53:31 it ties the lunar Sabbath to the Moon
01:53:33 which I know a lot of people don’t like
01:53:35 that
01:53:36 but I I didn’t think it mentioned New
01:53:39 Moon day so if it does that’s six well
01:53:42 here right here at the very beginning it
01:53:44 definitely talks about the weekly set
01:53:46 oh yeah because
01:53:48 everything mentioned and everything
01:53:50 mentioned in Leviticus 23 is to be
01:53:53 honored by God’s covenant people
01:53:57 throughout all their Generations
01:53:59 so
01:54:01 oh six days shall work be done I did the
01:54:04 wrong one
01:54:05 yeah six days shall work be done but the
01:54:08 seventh is the Sabbath of rest and holy
01:54:10 convocation you shall do the work
01:54:12 therein it is the Sabbath of the Lord
01:54:15 uh in in all your dwellings and then
01:54:18 these are the feasts of the Lord even
01:54:19 holy convocations which ye shall
01:54:21 Proclaim in their Seasons fourteenth day
01:54:22 of the first month that even the sports
01:54:23 so just FY that’s MOA deem there I mean
01:54:26 oops Yeah the word oh yes these are the
01:54:29 feasts of the Lord the word Feast of the
01:54:31 word Feast when you go back into it is
01:54:35 yeah so these are appointed times so the
01:54:39 English translation can sometimes make
01:54:41 things a little more confusing at times
01:54:45 and as far as it’s translated correctly
01:54:49 um and in a lot of cases the scriptures
01:54:52 are translated by Christians and not
01:54:55 nazarenes or
01:54:57 messianics or whatever
01:55:00 um various branches that believe in the
01:55:03 Old Testament are still valid for today
01:55:05 so it can make things a little more
01:55:07 confusing with the
01:55:09 with the interesting translations right
01:55:11 so in the 14th day of the first month at
01:55:14 even is the past is the Lord’s Passover
01:55:17 and on the 15th day of the same month is
01:55:19 the Feast of unleavened bread unto the
01:55:21 Lord seven days you must eat unleavened
01:55:24 bread
01:55:25 and in the first and in the seventh day
01:55:29 there’s a holy communication
01:55:32 this also this is yeah and so and then
01:55:37 we go uh
01:55:39 then we go into the explanation of first
01:55:41 fruit let me go into the explanation of
01:55:43 um
01:55:44 first fruits which is also around this
01:55:47 time
01:55:48 speak out of the children of Israel and
01:55:50 say unto them when ye become into the
01:55:53 land which I give unto you and shall
01:55:54 reap the Harvest thereof then ye shall
01:55:56 bring a sheet for the first fruits of
01:55:58 your Harvest of the priest we shall wave
01:56:00 the Sheep before the Lord to be accepted
01:56:03 for you on the morrow after the Sabbath
01:56:05 the priest shall wave it you shall offer
01:56:08 that day when ye have the chief and he
01:56:11 lamb without blemish the first year of
01:56:13 burnt offering for the Lord and the meat
01:56:14 offering thereof shall be two tenths
01:56:16 two-tenth fields of fine flour
01:56:19 so and so there’s first fruits it’s
01:56:22 actually
01:56:24 um
01:56:26 passovers on the 14th
01:56:29 the Feast of unleavened bread begins on
01:56:31 the 15th
01:56:32 of the first month
01:56:35 and first fruits begins on the 16th
01:56:40 and first fruits is on the 16th day the
01:56:42 16th day of that month right yeah
01:56:46 you got to clarify that because
01:56:48 otherwise people start thinking it’s the
01:56:50 15th day of the Jewel of the Gregorian
01:56:53 calendar
01:56:56 of the first lunar month
01:57:05 I don’t know how much to Sidetrack on
01:57:07 this because we’re getting off the moon
01:57:08 a little bit but that gets into
01:57:09 inclusive time because of the prophecy
01:57:13 three days and three nights and
01:57:17 um I have some on that if anybody’s
01:57:19 interested for later to go look into
01:57:23 um yeah if you want to post that uh if
01:57:25 you want to post that link I’ll I’ll
01:57:27 definitely get into it um because when
01:57:30 you look at these details it actually
01:57:32 shows that the day starts in the morning
01:57:33 but anyways Greeks what how we grew up
01:57:37 as Hellenistic we think
01:57:39 in exclusive time versus the Hebrews are
01:57:43 inclusive times so anyways I won’t
01:57:46 Sidetrack us more than that unless
01:57:48 anybody wants to get into the details
01:57:49 okay
01:57:51 yeah we’ll move on
01:57:54 so okay so I was wrong the and the it
01:57:58 doesn’t look like the new moon is in
01:58:01 this particular chapter but the all the
01:58:03 all the annual sabbaths are set aside in
01:58:06 Leviticus 23.
01:58:08 um as
01:58:09 as our as as are the weekly sets now the
01:58:13 new moon
01:58:14 the new moon day so I’m just going to
01:58:18 interject a little bit
01:58:19 I don’t know exactly why it’s not in
01:58:22 here
01:58:23 I have a theory of why it’s not in here
01:58:27 so
01:58:28 seven for the high holidays plus one
01:58:32 for the for the weekly one makes eight
01:58:35 if you add one more you get nine
01:58:40 and that’s why my personal opinion why
01:58:45 New Moon day is not mentioned here
01:58:46 because they’re avoiding the number nine
01:58:51 um personal opinion anyways
01:58:54 but yeah the the new moon day was a
01:58:56 whole it was it was a holy day for
01:58:58 Israel to uh for a very long time yeah
01:59:03 um but Isaiah 66 is a good one for that
01:59:05 yeah Isaiah Isaiah 66 in the states that
01:59:11 we were that uh in the Millennium from
01:59:13 New Moon to New Moon and it shall come
01:59:16 to pass from New Moon
01:59:18 from one new moon day to another and
01:59:20 from one Sabbath to another shall All
01:59:22 Flesh come to worship before me saith
01:59:24 the Lord
01:59:25 that’s Isaiah 66 23. ah here’s another
01:59:29 good one for you
01:59:31 and uh when and the new moon is just
01:59:35 like the Sabbath
01:59:37 except in that it is a day of rest we do
01:59:43 not it is not a day in which
01:59:47 um in which
01:59:50 um the activities of the world are
01:59:52 engaged in this we know this because and
01:59:55 we know that they knew this because
01:59:57 because of Amos talking about the uh
02:00:00 greedy Merchants who want to rip off
02:00:02 everybody
02:00:04 um and this is what they’re saying
02:00:06 saying when will the new moon be gone
02:00:09 that we may sell corn in the Sabbath
02:00:11 that we may set forth wheat making the
02:00:13 ephos small on the shekeld great and
02:00:16 falsifying the balances by the Sea so
02:00:18 the so even these Wicked Merchants knew
02:00:21 that the new moon they could not sell
02:00:24 and the Sabbath as well
02:00:26 so new moon day is a non-work day and a
02:00:30 worship day just like the weekly Sabbath
02:00:35 and so you start with
02:00:36 what
02:00:38 was there was there a question
02:00:42 nope
02:00:43 Oh I thought okay but okay yeah I
02:00:46 thought yeah okay but so since there’s
02:00:48 no question but we go on so the new moon
02:00:50 day
02:00:52 so the new moon day the new moon is the
02:00:55 dark conjunction the new moon day
02:00:58 the new moon day is the sunrise and
02:01:02 Begins the sunrise After the Dark
02:01:04 conjunction so
02:01:06 um on on the sunrise I I know
02:01:09 most Hebrew rooters and and Jews will
02:01:14 say
02:01:15 Sunset now I’ll just give
02:01:20 we don’t have to Sidetrack on this too
02:01:22 much but I’ll give this resource page
02:01:26 um
02:01:26 there’s lots in the Bible that actually
02:01:29 States it’s in the morning
02:01:31 my favorite example is Mana
02:01:35 but here’s a post
02:01:38 if you want to get that I did based on
02:01:41 the Book of Mormon showing the day
02:01:43 starts in the morning from The Book of
02:01:45 Mormon
02:01:46 and I give lots of examples from the
02:01:49 book yeah
02:01:52 and so yeah and there’s um I and I and
02:01:58 I’ll also shamelessly plug my own
02:02:00 presentation but yeah let me go get that
02:02:02 for you on this very subject
02:02:06 honestly yep I will shamelessly plug my
02:02:10 own presentation lots
02:02:13 a lot of a lot of information put into a
02:02:16 very tight space yeah let’s go get it
02:02:19 for everybody ah hold on
02:02:22 because it’s a good presentation I like
02:02:24 it
02:02:26 um
02:02:28 no no that’s not the one I want uh this
02:02:31 is a good one anyways but it’s a little
02:02:33 Sidetrack of what we’re talking about
02:02:34 but it’s related but that’s not what I
02:02:36 want to do
02:02:40 this is the one I wanted
02:02:42 uh so you guys can have this
02:02:45 oops
02:02:47 should I hit the wrong key
02:02:49 I
02:02:52 that’s why I changed my keyboard
02:02:54 um there’s that so now let’s
02:02:58 let’s get Ben’s playlist
02:03:01 um
02:03:02 hold on I’m getting there because it’s
02:03:05 part of my playlist
02:03:12 okay
02:03:14 this one’s bins
02:03:17 and here’s his specific link there you
02:03:20 go
02:03:23 it’s all it’s all in the chat phones
02:03:26 yeah but um the the new Moon I mean so
02:03:32 the so the new moon is a Sabbath of rest
02:03:37 um to be spent and worshiped
02:03:41 so the uh and that is the first day of
02:03:46 the new moon day is the first day of the
02:03:49 month our sabbaths the sabbaths are
02:03:52 counted
02:03:54 we count off then we go seven days
02:04:02 yes a picture is worth a thousand words
02:04:05 yeah so so
02:04:10 [Music]
02:04:10 um
02:04:11 do you want the one with the scripture
02:04:13 on it or do you want my version of it
02:04:15 just uh I think your version’s pretty
02:04:19 clear so let’s get that one up yeah I
02:04:23 so the reason why this this is a minor
02:04:26 point
02:04:28 version I put 30 on the right with the
02:04:31 other sabbas where most other people in
02:04:33 this Arena will put 30 on the left with
02:04:35 the other workdays so I find it
02:04:38 confusing that they
02:04:40 oh what did I do
02:04:42 I uh are you let me go get it again
02:04:45 sorry yeah I have no idea
02:04:49 there was those were some very nice uh
02:04:52 those are some very nice into the
02:04:54 subject but I didn’t mean to do that but
02:04:56 some people will put the 30 on the left
02:04:59 with the work days instead of on the
02:05:01 right with the Sabbath as I do so I I
02:05:04 think that
02:05:05 so what happens so what happens is we
02:05:08 have our first we have our new moon Day
02:05:10 first day of the Moon of the moon cycle
02:05:13 the sunrise After the Dark conjunction
02:05:18 we’d then go seven days
02:05:20 on the eighth day we have a Sabbath
02:05:24 and on the 15th day
02:05:26 we have Sabbath
02:05:28 on the 22nd day
02:05:30 we have a Sabbath now the 29th day we
02:05:34 have a Sabbath butt is so significant
02:05:36 about this is that for the first is that
02:05:39 it is documented in the Old Testament
02:05:42 that for the first three months of the
02:05:44 first three months of The Exodus is
02:05:46 documented when their sabbaths work and
02:05:50 for those three months it was the 8th
02:05:52 15th 22nd and 29th and you cannot do
02:05:57 that on a Gregorian calendar right so
02:05:59 along with that
02:06:01 um three months on this playlist
02:06:05 video one I mean video two three and
02:06:09 five are the ones that really converted
02:06:11 myth converted me to the lunar Sabbath
02:06:14 years in the past okay
02:06:16 and he’s really good at bringing that up
02:06:19 from the scriptures I can give a quick
02:06:21 overview or Ben can uh and that’ll take
02:06:24 some time to look into those details but
02:06:27 um but yeah but those but I’m just I’m
02:06:30 just I’m just feeding you some feeding
02:06:32 you some highlights of some of the stuff
02:06:34 that’s in these videos and let me ask
02:06:36 you how often does do those days the uh
02:06:40 let’s see the sub early the eighth if
02:06:43 every 22nd 29 how often do those line up
02:06:47 with uh a Saturday I guess they’re
02:06:50 almost always Saturday or Sunday no
02:06:52 they’re not no no they’re not they’re
02:06:54 not they’re not aligned to the Gregorian
02:06:56 calendar at all
02:06:57 they’re aligned to the new moon
02:06:59 well no no but I mean just
02:07:01 coincidentally it happens occasionally
02:07:04 it happens occasionally like it happens
02:07:06 occasionally February
02:07:08 again like February they kind of lined
02:07:11 up a little bit like I I don’t know if
02:07:13 you can see here so the blues the last
02:07:17 lunar cycle it lined up with Sunday
02:07:20 and so a lot of people think we’re
02:07:23 worshiping on Sunday well not exactly
02:07:26 but kind of right but not really
02:07:29 and so Ben your point is that we had
02:07:31 three months uh that are recorded
02:07:34 of their of their um Sabbath cycle and
02:07:38 you’re saying that three months should
02:07:40 be indicative of pretty much their whole
02:07:41 time is that being yeah well it’s we
02:07:44 have three months recorded because on
02:07:46 our Pagan on a pagan calendar that is
02:07:49 impossible yeah have your sabbaths on
02:07:54 the 8th 15th 22nd 29th of every of every
02:08:00 of the month of the month right for
02:08:03 three months in a row that’s not okay
02:08:05 so yeah it’s highlighting the
02:08:09 impossibility of this being found on a
02:08:12 pagan count right okay
02:08:15 it’s by the lights in the heavens right
02:08:18 that God gave us that one calendar
02:08:21 that’s been going for all of time it’s
02:08:25 the one calendar that’s been going for
02:08:27 all the time
02:08:28 right and it we can know it by what’s in
02:08:32 heaven what what they were on so
02:08:35 around
02:08:37 the state might be a little off but
02:08:39 around 800 BC the Roman Calendar decided
02:08:43 to stop using the Moon
02:08:45 as knowing when the new moot is I said
02:08:49 mooth on purpose but anyways
02:08:51 that was not a punctuation issue that
02:08:55 was on purpose
02:08:56 um but I if I remember it was around 800
02:08:59 BC
02:09:01 oh no it would have been
02:09:04 no I’m getting my dates wrong it would
02:09:06 have been more like 600 or 500 BC sorry
02:09:09 yeah but it was it’s 500 oh five oh okay
02:09:13 I did my math the wrong direction
02:09:16 um because it’s BC it’s opposite but
02:09:18 anyways
02:09:19 um around 500 BC the Roman Calendar
02:09:22 divorced itself from the Moon and that
02:09:25 historians admit that even though they
02:09:28 don’t generally like to talk about it
02:09:29 it’s their name
02:09:33 in fact I’ll show you a calendar of Rome
02:09:36 during yeshua’s Mortal Ministry
02:09:41 um it’ll
02:09:43 it might be
02:09:46 because it’s
02:09:49 not seven days
02:09:52 eight
02:09:54 a through H which a
02:09:57 B
02:09:58 C
02:09:59 d
02:10:00 e
02:10:02 f
02:10:03 g h that’s eight days in a week an eight
02:10:08 day week
02:10:10 the pagans were operating on an eight
02:10:12 day week at the time of price
02:10:14 [Music]
02:10:17 and so the Pagan calendar that we’re
02:10:20 operating under now has not been the
02:10:22 same
02:10:23 throughout history no in fact here’s
02:10:25 another change I’m just highlighting a
02:10:28 couple
02:10:30 um let me get the picture
02:10:34 hold on
02:10:36 there we go
02:10:39 the Sabbath is called the and the
02:10:41 Sabbath is called the Lord’s day because
02:10:43 the Lord and because Jesus is Lord of
02:10:45 the Sabbath yeah it’s not called the
02:10:48 Lord’s day because some man in Rome
02:10:51 decided to call Sunday the Lord’s day
02:10:54 well that is also a
02:10:57 that is also a counterfeit that’s a
02:11:00 counterfeit but there’s there’s a double
02:11:02 counterfeit going on but so
02:11:05 here’s a Roman Calendar
02:11:08 before Constantine changed it do you
02:11:12 know what this day is right here
02:11:14 Saturday yeah well that was actually
02:11:17 more for them because you and I have
02:11:19 that one memorized this is kind of a
02:11:21 harvest or the sickle is Saturn
02:11:24 versus the sunrise
02:11:27 yeah okay the horn is Moon day
02:11:34 that’s and anyways that’s fairness I
02:11:37 don’t have them all memorized that’s
02:11:38 Venus over there on the back
02:11:41 and you can go check the historical
02:11:43 record
02:11:45 Constantine changed the order of the day
02:11:48 by demoting Saturday to the last and
02:11:51 moving Sunday to the first in honor of
02:11:53 his
02:11:54 favorite veneration of Saturn of Sunday
02:11:59 or Saturn or
02:12:01 satanic yeah
02:12:06 the ancient Mystery Schools worship
02:12:09 Saturn Saturn is an ancient Dark Sun but
02:12:12 that’s a whole other subject
02:12:15 interesting and so there’s something
02:12:19 still goes against
02:12:22 sdas and other people who say Saturday
02:12:25 is the Sabbath because if you go look it
02:12:28 used to be the first day the first day
02:12:30 of the week I have another picture that
02:12:33 shows that uh also I’ll show that one I
02:12:36 have two so that was found in the Roman
02:12:40 um
02:12:42 they colorized it to make it a little
02:12:43 easier to see I have one other
02:12:46 let me find it
02:12:49 oh there it is just another side note
02:12:51 sure Putin has now made
02:12:56 Sunday the seventh day of the week so
02:12:58 their days start their weeks start on
02:13:01 Monday so that they can all worship on
02:13:03 Sunday
02:13:06 some parts of Rome has changed that and
02:13:09 yeah but I mean yeah the point the point
02:13:13 being though that neither Saturday nor
02:13:17 Sunday is the actual seventh day right
02:13:19 right so here here’s another necessarily
02:13:24 no they aren’t
02:13:27 they aren’t you know that’s that’s right
02:13:30 well they can’t be by Quincy no no what
02:13:32 I’m saying you’re misunderstanding what
02:13:34 I’m saying making a joke oh it happens
02:13:38 okay yeah
02:13:41 I get it I get it I get it yeah
02:13:45 if I remember right this is a
02:13:47 Candlestick or something it was found in
02:13:49 Rome also that shows Saturday first
02:13:53 this one I don’t recognize as well
02:13:56 without the sickle nor the Sunday but I
02:13:58 do recognize this one the moon day with
02:14:00 the moon uh sliver right I I’m I’m not
02:14:04 well enough first into paganism to to
02:14:07 know that Saturday on my own other than
02:14:09 it’s that one’s Moon day but the
02:14:11 interesting thing is is their version
02:14:14 there is how close set and how closely
02:14:18 Saturn resembles Zeus
02:14:22 yeah it’s
02:14:26 the of ancient Greek mythology yeah
02:14:29 that’s a whole other subject and and
02:14:31 he’s yeah that’s a squirrel
02:14:34 somebody needs to tell me that I’m
02:14:36 chasing this world please
02:14:38 stop chasing that squirrel go back to
02:14:41 your original point
02:14:45 because it’s getting late where I’m at
02:14:47 it’s past midnight already and I am
02:14:49 super freaking tired but yeah but yeah
02:14:53 but I just I I just
02:14:56 the new moon day is the basis upon which
02:15:00 we know our seventh day
02:15:02 right and the great thing I think is and
02:15:06 that’s the big takeaway that I want
02:15:07 people to take from
02:15:09 everything that we’re everything that we
02:15:11 talked about
02:15:12 the other things
02:15:15 the other things are we can work out the
02:15:19 other all other things we can work out
02:15:26 and I I but I do believe and if and as
02:15:31 we study the scriptures on these things
02:15:33 I do believe that the truth will come to
02:15:35 light so I think yeah
02:15:39 to support that the scriptures have
02:15:42 three types of days
02:15:44 the Gregorian calendar
02:15:47 which is relatively new and I’m trying
02:15:51 to find a picture with the dates on it
02:15:53 only has two types of days in it
02:15:55 yeah and so if you want to go by
02:15:57 scriptures
02:15:59 you you’ve got to find something to do
02:16:02 with that third day
02:16:06 so the United States 1752 is when we
02:16:10 that’s the Gregorian
02:16:13 um so and that that’s another side
02:16:16 subject on this same thing that’s
02:16:18 important though
02:16:20 um but I I don’t have a calendar or a
02:16:23 map that shows when we’ve accepted the
02:16:25 Jillian stuff but anyways
02:16:29 but uh yeah so but the point is
02:16:33 we all come here with very from varying
02:16:36 schools of
02:16:38 we all come here from varying schools of
02:16:41 thought
02:16:42 yeah very on various things I suggest
02:16:46 that as we go forward
02:16:50 that we go to the scriptures
02:16:53 and we let the scriptures proclaim the
02:16:56 truth to us through the spirit
02:16:59 they’re the spirit of the word
02:17:02 and we allow that to happen
02:17:06 so that we don’t
02:17:08 necessarily
02:17:10 get
02:17:12 so that we don’t necessarily get
02:17:14 contentious
02:17:15 sure sure
02:17:17 um
02:17:18 the problem with that is
02:17:20 is that I don’t always know where to
02:17:23 find the scriptures is I have a more
02:17:25 difficult time going through the
02:17:27 scriptures
02:17:33 because I I know that it’s there but I
02:17:36 don’t know where okay
02:17:41 that we can help each other because
02:17:43 somebody know the scripture that you’re
02:17:45 referring to and I mean I hope that we
02:17:47 can just kind of be true yeah
02:17:51 each other look at all the possible yeah
02:17:53 oh yeah yeah
02:17:55 um so it’s just better and of not
02:17:58 knowing where it is we can’t then use it
02:18:00 to go look at to discuss
02:18:02 well but I think what I’m trying to say
02:18:04 is that Susan may be able to elude
02:18:07 enough that we can understand oh what
02:18:09 she means and oh yeah that scripture is
02:18:11 this I know the scripture that she’s
02:18:13 talking about and I know where to find
02:18:15 it yeah for sure yeah and yeah and it’s
02:18:17 just to the point my point is
02:18:19 that’s fine because I even have some
02:18:21 where I
02:18:22 um I’m like that way also but until we
02:18:25 get to the actual scripture
02:18:27 we can’t look at it to discuss it
02:18:31 because
02:18:33 um
02:18:33 there’s a saying that the
02:18:37 weakest pencil is greater than the
02:18:41 strongest memory
02:18:43 or is it better than the stronger
02:18:45 something along those lines right right
02:18:49 in fact my memory is not even giving it
02:18:51 correctly so but yeah which kind of
02:18:54 illustrates the point but well it’s
02:18:56 because it’s late it’s late it’s late
02:18:59 that’s what it is but I but I’m but I’m
02:19:03 suggesting
02:19:04 what I meant what I am suggesting is
02:19:07 that we simply
02:19:09 um
02:19:12 and if they’re you know we have to be
02:19:15 willing we have to we have to look at
02:19:18 what this we have to look at what the
02:19:19 scriptures said the word well I was
02:19:23 given by the spirit the word was given
02:19:25 by the spirit
02:19:27 and the the word the word is the spirit
02:19:30 and the word is the word the word is the
02:19:33 word of the spirit unto us sure sure I
02:19:36 agree with you there Ben but even on the
02:19:41 controversial subject that came up I
02:19:44 will also say that it took me years to
02:19:47 get there and be able to show up from
02:19:49 the scriptures so I I understand why
02:19:53 it’s controversial and I even admitted I
02:19:56 had a hard time with lectures on faith
02:19:57 five for a little while until I
02:19:59 understood the dictionary definition
02:20:02 um but I know that’s controversial but
02:20:04 I’m
02:20:10 um I do hear what you’re saying but at
02:20:12 the same point
02:20:14 um some people will look at the same
02:20:16 scripture and see something completely
02:20:18 different right absolutely and that that
02:20:21 is that that that is true and sometimes
02:20:25 it’s hard to help with this is sometimes
02:20:28 that we have to think about talk about
02:20:31 it a little bit go chew on it ourselves
02:20:35 and chew on it some more later yeah so
02:20:38 this is yeah
02:20:44 some things I do share it’s taking me
02:20:48 years to get to that point and so I
02:20:51 don’t expect anybody
02:20:54 to get it right after I just say it once
02:20:56 right right and then like I said I
02:21:01 I just wanted to make sure that I
02:21:02 understood exactly what you were saying
02:21:04 earlier Stephen when I when I was asking
02:21:06 those questions because I’m not sure
02:21:07 that I’m not necessarily at that place
02:21:11 right now
02:21:15 um where I can actually accept that
02:21:18 point of view
02:21:19 um not saying I don’t expect of course
02:21:22 that you’re that your your points are
02:21:24 not valid or anything like that it’s
02:21:26 just I I don’t know if I’m actually
02:21:28 there sure sure I understand and I
02:21:33 I believe Yahweh gave me that and you’ll
02:21:35 have to take it to him yourself to to
02:21:37 confirmly deny that that’s what I’m
02:21:40 talking about the same time it took me a
02:21:45 long time of unlearning lives to then be
02:21:47 able to see it in the scriptures now I
02:21:49 understand some people will disagree
02:21:51 with me on that okay so I’m not trying
02:21:53 to push that inside but right right it
02:21:56 took me 30 years to get to where I
02:21:59 understood that the Hebrews were black
02:22:02 try that one on for a while
02:22:05 do you agree some are black but they all
02:22:08 were not black but they were a black
02:22:11 people
02:22:12 that they were a race of black people
02:22:14 lighter skinned not not not
02:22:17 um how can I put it
02:22:19 not black but right
02:22:22 negroid people does everybody disagree
02:22:25 with you on that so well that’s not one
02:22:28 thing well I mean I’ve studied this out
02:22:31 yeah
02:22:33 for now well only about 10 years yeah
02:22:37 for 20 I didn’t accept it at all so you
02:22:40 know you’ve got plenty of time
02:22:44 these are the let these are the less
02:22:46 important these are the less important
02:22:48 truth they’re kind of important they’re
02:22:50 very on a certain level they’re
02:22:52 important and on another level
02:22:54 we can we can discover them right yeah
02:22:58 well some of these topics where we’re
02:23:01 endlessly fighting it seems like it
02:23:03 might be good to maybe put those on that
02:23:05 yeah well I’d love to have like a debate
02:23:06 foreign
02:23:19 I agree that’s the most important that
02:23:21 to me is the most important thing and
02:23:24 that has to be the unifying thread in my
02:23:27 opinion in my opinion well our scripture
02:23:31 study
02:23:32 on that point I I do agree with that and
02:23:36 I think also as we get more unified of
02:23:38 what yahweh’s ways are it actually will
02:23:41 take care of some of these side track
02:23:43 issues exactly be honest
02:23:45 yeah no I’ve seen that these but anyways
02:23:49 so for me so for me the thing is let’s
02:23:53 keep the main thing the main thing and
02:23:55 let’s not let
02:23:57 let’s not let the other things
02:24:01 that’s the main thing which is following
02:24:04 in the ways of following in the
02:24:06 footsteps of your story but
02:24:10 yeah
02:24:13 or something like that
02:24:15 uh sure we can do that
02:24:17 um let me pause the recording