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Summary:

00:00:00 Talked about problems in LDS D&C 127.
00:00:50 LDS D&C 127 & 128 teach things that contradict other scriptures.
00:01:26 Parable of the wheat and the tares shows it’s the angels doing the gathering not men writing on some paper.
00:01:56 In Moroni 6:4 the leaders took the names of the people so that they would be nurished by the good word of Elohim, not so they would go into heaven.
00:03:07 Acts 15 shows 4 things the converts were to do, one being go to church and keep learning.
00:04:45 Back to Moroni 6:4.
00:07:39 Verse 1 doesn’t sound like Joseph Smith.
00:09:19 Verse 2 we are not called to bad things of life but called to keep YHWH’s Torah. YHWH protects us when we are keeping His Torah. We should want to make the world a better place.
00:29:49 Verse 3 Restoration is going back to how it was before.
00:32:29 Gentiles should be adopted into Israel. Book of Mormon is lastly given to the Gentiles. The church is under for not keeping YHWH’s Torah. Book of Mormon teaches to keep Torah after Yeshua’s death and resurrection. YHWH wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger. All commandments are based upon the 10 commandments.
00:44:16 Verse 4 confirmed revelations from YHWH don’t use the word temple but use house instead. What was to be built was patterned after a court house not a temple. Read a quote from Joseph Smith on how animal sacrafices are coming back. YHWH doesn’t tell us to redouble, He tells us to do it as He originally stated it.
01:05:18 Verse 5 Baptism for the dead contradicts the Book of Mormon and New Testament. All nations were taught the gospel. Discuss little children. YHWH gives all adults His law. FLDS members knew it was wrong despite their leaders never teaching it was. Talked about 1 Corinthians 15:29. Talked about Mosiah 15:24. There is only one Kingdom in D&C 76. Use clear verses to help us understand unclear verses. Talked about people who receive the Terrestrial glory. Looked at the definitions of without.
02:23:26 Verse 6 vicarious baptism of the dead is not in the New Testament. Hebrew parents will consider their children who sin grievously as dead.
02:26:10 Verse 7 writing something down is not the sealing power. Looking at Nephi example of sealing power in the book of Helaman. Sealing power is sealing a curse that was already decreeded in heaven on earth. Looking at the Greek in Matthew 16:18-19. Peter enacting the sealing power in Acts 5 because they lied.
02:39:01 Verse 8 vicarious batism of the dead is not restoring a true principle.
02:40:29 Verse 9 the word temple is not used in the revelations to Joseph Smith. Where are the records from before such that they can remembered from generation to generation.
02:44:18 Verse 10 1 Nephi 3:7 tells us YHWH will provide a way to do the things He commands us. Abinadi in Mosiah 13 is my favorite example of YHWH providing a way.
02:49:23 Verse 11 116 pages shows that YHWH provided a way. The fact that the non-believers didn’t produce the 116 pages after the Book of Mormon published shows that nothing of the 145 pages of the LDS edition contradicted what was on the book of Lehi. Satan is not smarter than YHWH.
02:54:35 Verse 12 LDS D&C 50 tells us that there were deceivers inside the church. When this letter was supposedly written Joseph Smith was signing documents differently.
02:56:54 1844 D&C was published after Joseph Smith was murdered. 1844 D&C 111 was added after Joseph Smith murder. LDS D&C 127 was 1844 D&C 105 one of the last ones added, and I believe after Joseph Smith murder. William W Phelps was incharge of the printing and he has strong connections to Brigham Young.
03:00:45 timing of this and the other baptism for the dead letter shows Joseph Smith had about two more years to teach on the subject, but didn’t.
03:02:11 Talking about the title Lord of Host used in LDS D&C 127.
03:04:10 Turning to the promises of the fathers is returning to Torah. Stoning is still valid. If the church doesn’t excommunicate sinners the church will start getting curses.
03:07:10 To late to go over LDS D&C 128. LDS D&C 128 contradicts a JST.
03:07:58 1 Nephi 17:2 is a prophecy of the church enjoying getting into the mysteries. Milk is the commandments, meat is the mysteries. Showing how the Leverite law points to the Messiah. The Book of Mormon is prophecy. Hebrews use history for prophecy. Men represents prophets. Nephi knew the mysteries before he engraved the small plates. Learning / thinking of the Jews / Hebrews is important to keep in mind.
03:16:57 The history of the floating axe is about the restoration.
03:18:50 Deeper meanings do not contradict the surface meanings. We need to make our base the simple statements. YHWH’s way don’t contradict each other. Most misunderstand Paul. Peace makers are those who teach YHWH’s ways. Talked about the Newark Ohio Mound some.

Links:

• All Things You Should DO
• Joseph Smith Last Dream
• Book of Mormon teaches to keep Torah after Yeshua’s death and resurrection
• LDS Gospel Search
• Torah and Law of Moses are different
• Sin is like Glue
• FLDS knew it was wrong
• Mazzaroth
• Sealing Power
• William W Phepls
• Turning to the promises of the fathers is returning to Torah
• Stoning is still valid
• Catch and Understand
• Gnostic
• King Brigham
• The floating axe in 2 Kings 6:1-7 is a prophecy of the Lehites and the Mighty and Strong One
• PaRDeS
• Peace Makers

Notes:

• Verse 1) some words don’t seem like they are from JS
• Verse 2) are we called to perils or called to keep YHWH’s law, Mosiah 2-5 brings out we are called to keep YHWH’s law. Job brings out perils happen because of the wicked.
• Verse 2) who is JS supposedly writing to in the letter, the church or other believers, if so why is JS staying if you believe I’m called for good or evil?
• Verse 2) deep water is symbolic of chaos and the world, and YHWH does not call us to swim in it, He calls us to part it as Moses, or to walk on it as with Peter, and one of JS last dreams JS walked on water.
• Verse 4) other scriptures don’t call the building they are working on a temple, it calls it a house of YHWH, and yes there is a difference.
• Verse 4) double your efforts and work, to me that is not how YHWH talks but He would say do what is required not just do some more.
• Verse 5) BoM teaches against LDS / Brighamite baptisms of the dead.
• Verse 6) baptized for your dead, this is different what baptism of the dead in the NT, in Hebrew thought when we sin we have died because the wages of sin is death
• Verse 7) contradicts what the sealing power is
• Verse 8) how is doing the false baptisms for the dead correctly connected to restoring more?
• Verse 9) the word temple is not used in previous sections for the building being built.
• Verse 9) from generation to generation, so where are all the records of past generations and their work done? If we can’t find them, does that mean heaven doesn’t acknowledge that happened?
• Verse 10) YHWH wants JS to address the world about baptisms for the dead, but can’t make it happen, contrary to 1 Nephi 3:7, Abinadi teaching king Noah and the wicked priests is one of many examples that YHWH has the power to have his messengers preach even when the world tries to prevent it.
• Verse 11) Satan has been alert for a long time, for one lets look at the 116 pages.
• Verse 12) JS knew at this time that there were deceivers amongst the church, D&C 50 is one of many examples.

Transcript:

00:00:01 foreign so today we finally are getting
00:00:05 to do what Ben and I have wanted to do
00:00:08 for a little while and that’s going over
00:00:11 uh Dean C
00:00:14 LDS DNC 127 and 128.
00:00:17 and the reason why we both want to go
00:00:20 over this is because I I have
00:00:24 a list of scriptures or sections that I
00:00:27 don’t believe are authentic and here you
00:00:29 can see here
00:00:30 uh and 127 120 is one of them but it’s
00:00:34 becoming more important to go over this
00:00:38 now because
00:00:42 although I do believe Joseph Smith
00:00:43 fought against polygamy
00:00:46 I don’t believe DNC 127 and 128.
00:00:52 are a wise way to prove that
00:00:56 [Music]
00:00:57 um
00:00:58 nor are they necessarily Smoking Gun at
00:01:02 right the problem I see with it is that
00:01:06 they if
00:01:08 that is then used that will then
00:01:11 introduce
00:01:12 other things that are wrong
00:01:15 and that’s hopefully what I will
00:01:17 demonstrate here now
00:01:20 um also just before I start
00:01:23 uh the parable of the
00:01:26 wheat in the tares okay
00:01:29 it is the angels that do the Gathering
00:01:35 not the people writing on a piece of
00:01:38 paper
00:01:41 and oh what is it early
00:01:44 chapters okay I’m
00:01:48 I’m not fully prepared I have my notes
00:01:50 but anyways
00:01:51 um
00:01:52 early we’re
00:01:55 only chapter where they talk about why
00:01:58 they took the names of the people right
00:02:01 um that’s going to be one of the early
00:02:03 ones
00:02:04 all right it’s 12 elders
00:02:10 oh
00:02:11 six yeah let’s see
00:02:18 uh here we go uh I think six four and
00:02:21 they had been received unto baptism and
00:02:24 were raw upon and cleansed by the power
00:02:26 of the Holy Ghost they were numbered
00:02:28 among the people of the Church of Christ
00:02:31 and their names were taken okay they
00:02:34 wrote down their names now this is and
00:02:36 then it says why
00:02:38 that they might be remembered and
00:02:40 nourished by the good word of Elohim
00:02:45 not so that they would go to heaven
00:02:48 so that they would
00:02:50 the church leaders
00:02:53 would be able to make sure and do their
00:02:56 job
00:02:58 in teaching the people the good word of
00:03:01 Elohim
00:03:02 yeah which
00:03:05 acts 15
00:03:09 um at there’s a lot of aspects to acts
00:03:12 15 but I’ll just focus on one part is
00:03:14 that there were four things that they
00:03:17 were supposed to do
00:03:19 um
00:03:21 eat kosher
00:03:23 don’t do sexual sins start doing the
00:03:26 high holidays
00:03:28 and go to church AKA synagogue
00:03:32 on the Sabbath to keep learning more
00:03:35 yep
00:03:36 I believe that’s the four it’s kind of
00:03:39 vague memory we can go check it but I
00:03:41 mean that’s not a main point that’s not
00:03:43 a main point so
00:03:46 um but the one thing for sure is they
00:03:48 kept going to church
00:03:50 on the Sabbath
00:03:53 to keep learning more
00:03:55 because this is a life-form process
00:03:58 even
00:04:01 the great prophets in the scriptures
00:04:03 like Daniel I or Nephi
00:04:07 they went and kept studying
00:04:11 the things that the prophets taught and
00:04:14 Torah
00:04:20 yes he did
00:04:22 in fact
00:04:23 but uh but let’s let’s get back to oh
00:04:26 yeah don’t Sidetrack me that’s the
00:04:27 squirrel that’s a squirrel squirrel
00:04:28 that’s a squirrel okay
00:04:30 um anyways let’s finish this remembered
00:04:32 and nourished by the good word of LM to
00:04:34 keep them in the right way oh look at
00:04:36 that
00:04:38 um to remind them of what the way is
00:04:41 to keep them continually watchful under
00:04:44 prayer
00:04:46 relying upon
00:04:48 the merits of the Messiah
00:04:52 not their own
00:04:54 the Messiah
00:04:57 who is the author author and finisher of
00:05:00 their faith
00:05:01 um and I mean there’s there’s lots of
00:05:04 aspects to the merits of the Messiah one
00:05:07 it’s because we all have sinned except
00:05:10 for him and we all deserve death
00:05:12 physical death and spiritual death
00:05:14 that’s what we all deserve
00:05:16 on top of that I think it also to help
00:05:19 prevent us from being prideful
00:05:21 also but and that’s a whole other
00:05:23 subject but main thing going along with
00:05:27 this
00:05:28 um purpose of this recording
00:05:31 that they’d be uh where’d he go
00:05:34 their names were taken good word of
00:05:37 Elohim it wasn’t that so that they would
00:05:39 be guaranteed into heaven
00:05:43 because the church leaders don’t know
00:05:47 everything that you do well maybe some
00:05:49 Churches they do but
00:05:51 God’s real Church
00:05:53 are not sending out spies washing out
00:05:55 everything yeah and they don’t have
00:05:57 they’re not using your they’re not using
00:06:00 your electronics as surveillance no
00:06:03 um or they don’t have a
00:06:05 strengthening strengthening committee
00:06:07 either
00:06:09 strength membership strengthening
00:06:12 committee yeah
00:06:13 um but so yeah so this is why the names
00:06:15 were taken Let’s uh let’s go let’s go
00:06:18 let’s go back into 127. for sure okay
00:06:21 but anyways um
00:06:23 that goes on with the parable of the
00:06:25 wheat and the terrors
00:06:27 their names weren’t taken to guarantee
00:06:31 them into heaven or to seal them into
00:06:33 heaven it was to nourish them so that
00:06:35 way their works
00:06:40 we’ll get them there and which along
00:06:43 with their faith and faith is trust and
00:06:45 diligence which has Works in it anyways
00:06:48 that’s a it’s a whole nother
00:06:50 big battle it’s a whole act it’s an
00:06:54 action-based thing yes
00:06:57 faith without works is dead right
00:07:00 um anyway okay so without
00:07:04 to start off uh probably the best thing
00:07:06 is
00:07:08 to read the verse and talk about it
00:07:12 um and I have up here my notes okay of
00:07:15 why I don’t believe it and we can
00:07:19 if someone wants to interrupt me before
00:07:21 I finish the verse that’s fine we can
00:07:23 talk about it
00:07:24 um and we’ll go over it I
00:07:28 I have mine things that I want to talk
00:07:29 about if other people have things that
00:07:31 they want to talk about let’s do that
00:07:33 okay because here we are to learn
00:07:35 together and take each other by the hand
00:07:38 um Ben are you willing to read the first
00:07:40 verse yeah I could read
00:07:42 I did I did graduate
00:07:47 or as much as the Lord has revealed unto
00:07:49 me my enemies both in Missouri and in
00:07:52 this state where again in the pursuit of
00:07:54 me and in as much as they pursue me
00:07:55 without a cause and have not the least
00:07:58 Shadow or coloring of Justice are right
00:08:00 on their side and getting up with their
00:08:02 prosecutions against me
00:08:04 and then as much as their pretensions
00:08:06 are all founded and falsehood of the
00:08:07 blackest guy I have thought it expedient
00:08:10 and wisdom in me to leave the place for
00:08:12 a short season for my own safety and the
00:08:15 safety of this people
00:08:16 I would say to all with whom I have
00:08:19 business that I have left my affairs
00:08:21 with agents and clerks who will transact
00:08:23 all business in a prompt and proper
00:08:25 manner and we’ll see that all my debts
00:08:27 are canceled in due time by turning out
00:08:29 property or otherwise as the case may
00:08:31 require or as the circumstances May
00:08:34 admit up
00:08:35 when I learned that the storm is fully
00:08:38 blown over then I will return to you
00:08:39 again
00:08:40 okay so I I don’t have a lot on this
00:08:43 verse myself other than to me
00:08:46 it there’s various things in it that
00:08:49 don’t sound like Joseph Smith
00:08:51 that’s a personal opinion and it’s not a
00:08:53 big deal either way yeah yeah it’s uh
00:08:56 yeah it’s not worth
00:08:58 it’s not worth going spending much time
00:09:01 on right
00:09:03 um and so anyways there’s there’s
00:09:05 nothing really doctrinal there so right
00:09:08 but to me it doesn’t sound like Joseph
00:09:11 Smith but that I understand is a
00:09:13 personal opinion
00:09:15 um
00:09:16 Zach would you be willing to read verse
00:09:18 two
00:09:24 and as for the perils which I’m called
00:09:27 to pass through
00:09:28 the same but a small thing to me as the
00:09:31 envy and Wrath of man has have been
00:09:34 by Common
00:09:36 lot all the days of my life
00:09:38 for what caused it seems mysterious
00:09:41 until I was ordained from before the
00:09:44 foundation of the world
00:09:46 for some good and
00:09:48 are bad as you may choose to call it
00:09:51 judge you for yourself you know
00:09:53 yourselves
00:09:55 God knoweth all these things whether it
00:09:57 be good or bad
00:09:59 another neither the less deep water is
00:10:01 what I am won’t to swim in
00:10:05 it all has become a second nature to me
00:10:08 I feel like Paul to glory and
00:10:10 tribulation
00:10:11 for to for to this day as the god of my
00:10:14 fathers
00:10:16 deliver me out of them all and will
00:10:18 deliver me from henceforth behold and lo
00:10:22 I shall triumph over all my enemies for
00:10:24 the Lord God has spoken it
00:10:28 so uh a couple things that I want to
00:10:31 bring out are we are called to The
00:10:33 Perils
00:10:35 as in
00:10:36 the the bad things that are going in
00:10:38 life or
00:10:40 as one thing that Ben loves to bring out
00:10:44 is I forget the actual verse and Ben’s
00:10:46 gonna I’m probably gonna tell us by
00:10:48 heart on it I know it’s in mosiah 2
00:10:50 through 5. I think it’s mosiah three uh
00:10:54 yeah so you know where I’m going that we
00:10:57 are actually called
00:10:59 to keep the law and that is what he
00:11:03 calls us to do and my issue with part of
00:11:06 this verse there is it’s saying
00:11:09 something different than that
00:11:12 um so let’s go look at that it could it
00:11:15 could it could be saying something
00:11:16 different than that it could also be
00:11:18 saying it’s just simply that
00:11:21 for whatever reason there’s a lot of
00:11:23 trials in his life like it could it
00:11:25 could read that but let’s look at that
00:11:27 let’s read this verse and we can go back
00:11:29 to it but I believe it says he’s called
00:11:32 to The Perils rather than calling to
00:11:34 keep the Torah and that there’s or the
00:11:36 law or whatever but I’ll read this one
00:11:39 for the natural man is an enemy to
00:11:42 Elohim and has been from the fall of
00:11:44 Adam and will be forever and ever unless
00:11:46 he yields to the enticings of the Holy
00:11:49 Behavior I mean Spirit and puteth the
00:11:52 natural man and becometh a saint through
00:11:55 the atonement of Yeshua Yahweh and
00:11:59 becometh as a child submissive Meek
00:12:02 humble patient full love willing to
00:12:05 submit to all the things which Yahweh
00:12:09 seeth fit to him clicked upon him even
00:12:11 as a child does submit to his father
00:12:14 now the thing the thing is is that the
00:12:17 cross that Yahweh puts upon us is the
00:12:19 law it’s his law
00:12:22 right which
00:12:24 um I was somewhat alluding to that and
00:12:27 instead of saying Holy Spirit I said
00:12:30 holy Behavior
00:12:32 which is the law the the law teaches us
00:12:35 how to behave to be holy
00:12:41 um you know I I bet you there’s a chiism
00:12:43 here but we’re not going to take time to
00:12:45 bring it out yeah so this is not the
00:12:47 time that’s
00:12:50 a squirrel
00:12:56 but the main point here
00:12:59 okay okay
00:13:03 um but the main point is that Yahweh
00:13:07 calls us to keep his law
00:13:10 yeah not
00:13:13 not uh
00:13:15 the trial though trials do seem to be
00:13:18 the lot of those who keep the law right
00:13:21 but it’s at the expense of the wicked
00:13:25 ones not Yahweh yeah that’s true
00:13:29 um
00:13:30 to go along with that just real quick
00:13:35 um
00:13:36 purpose of life are you willing to read
00:13:38 these ones
00:13:40 uh who’s you uh Matt
00:13:44 all right
00:13:46 all right the purpose of life Jacob
00:13:50 chapter 2 verse 21 do ye not suppose
00:13:53 that such things are an abominable are
00:13:56 abominable and too created All Flesh and
00:14:00 the one being used as precious in His
00:14:02 sight as the other and All Flesh is of
00:14:05 the dust and for the self seem end
00:14:09 purpose goal as he created them that
00:14:12 they keep his Commandments law slash
00:14:14 Torah and glorify him forever
00:14:17 Ecclesiastes interject a little bit Yeah
00:14:21 so here it states
00:14:23 our purpose is to keep
00:14:26 elohim’s law which is known as Torah
00:14:30 right which I think goes along with
00:14:33 um mosiah 3 19. yes okay all right go
00:14:38 ahead and manage Ecclesiastes chapter 12
00:14:40 verse 13 let us hear the conclusion of
00:14:43 the whole matter
00:14:44 fear slash Revere God and keep his
00:14:47 Commandments for this is the whole Duty
00:14:51 slash purpose of man
00:14:54 so what is our purpose
00:15:00 and keep his Commandments
00:15:03 yes it goes along with mosiah 3 19.
00:15:05 indeed and then second Nephi chapter 26
00:15:09 27 half he commanded he need that they
00:15:11 should not partake of his salvation he
00:15:15 always injunate but he has given it free
00:15:18 for all men and he has commanded his
00:15:21 people that they should persuade all men
00:15:24 to repent
00:15:28 it’s returning to the Torah stopping the
00:15:32 bad behavior
00:15:34 yeah there’s that too that’s another way
00:15:37 of saying it but how do you do that well
00:15:39 the whole now the whole thing is is that
00:15:43 as we obey Torah we have to do it with
00:15:45 an eye signal to the glory of he who
00:15:48 gave the Torah
00:15:51 correct
00:15:52 it’s not just it’s not just wrote okay
00:15:57 this is what it says so I have to do
00:15:59 this it’s you’re doing it because I want
00:16:01 to be like
00:16:03 he who gave it correct I agree with you
00:16:06 in fact moral name seven brings out
00:16:08 if you’re doing it for the wrong reason
00:16:11 it’s counted onto evil unto you
00:16:13 um you can go
00:16:15 you can go double check me on that
00:16:18 no I I no I know that for sure I I well
00:16:23 it’s more for other people right yeah
00:16:25 that’s true for uh looks like eight is
00:16:28 probably a good one for behold if a man
00:16:30 being evil giveth a gift and you do it
00:16:32 grudgingly
00:16:35 wherefore it is counted unto him the
00:16:38 same as if he had retained the gifts
00:16:40 wherefore he is counted evil before
00:16:42 Elohim yep that’s it there it is
00:16:47 um so I mean there’s you know there’s
00:16:49 the fountains and stuff that that’s the
00:16:51 main one
00:16:52 um
00:16:53 agreed agree agree
00:16:57 um that one
00:16:58 yeah okay so let’s go back to my notes
00:17:03 oh I see what you’re saying I see what
00:17:05 you’re looking at here in verse two
00:17:08 uh right he called me to go through
00:17:13 trials no but even with job
00:17:17 foreign
00:17:24 that’s the purpose to keep the law
00:17:27 right
00:17:29 um we’re here supposedly Joseph Smith is
00:17:33 saying I was called to go through trials
00:17:34 no
00:17:37 we’re called to keep the law
00:17:39 yep
00:17:40 um I see what you’re saying I I see I
00:17:44 see you I see the wording you’re looking
00:17:46 at though yeah yeah and so actually on
00:17:48 my Note I bring a dog bring Joe brings
00:17:52 out pearls happens because perils happen
00:17:55 because of the wickedness either of
00:17:57 yourself or of others and that’s not
00:18:00 from your way
00:18:02 right
00:18:03 that’s from Satan
00:18:06 now if for example in in Torah wins
00:18:11 the people didn’t keep the Commandments
00:18:13 they were not granted yahweh’s
00:18:17 protection against the snakes which is a
00:18:20 Hebrew idiom of enemies and so then they
00:18:22 were bitten
00:18:24 by the mouth with poison just like
00:18:27 poisonous venom comes out of wicked
00:18:29 men’s mouths right but anyways
00:18:32 um or I want to get too sidetracked from
00:18:34 that but I hopefully you can kind of
00:18:36 get the point there
00:18:38 yes um
00:18:40 so another thing I want to bring out in
00:18:41 this verse is Joseph Smith supposedly
00:18:44 writing the letter to the church
00:18:48 or other believers if so why is Joseph
00:18:50 Smith saying if you believe I’m called
00:18:54 for good or evil
00:18:55 well that’s actually there’s actually a
00:18:58 good let there’s actually a good answer
00:18:59 to that question it comes from church
00:19:01 history and that is and that is that
00:19:05 many of the people who were in the
00:19:08 leadership of the church in high places
00:19:12 were actually floating it out there that
00:19:15 Joseph Smith we’re actually flooding it
00:19:17 out there that Joseph Smith was a fallen
00:19:19 Prophet because of his open stance
00:19:22 against what they were doing secretly
00:19:25 I could see that uh because I and so
00:19:27 this is why he would this is why
00:19:30 that’s why he could say that I don’t
00:19:32 believe he actually did but I I can see
00:19:34 that as a valid reason why he would say
00:19:36 that
00:19:37 um the anc50 actually brings out um
00:19:40 Joseph Smith was
00:19:42 told by Yahweh but there’s
00:19:44 um uh uh I forget the wording enemies in
00:19:47 your midst you need to go you can find
00:19:49 them out and take them out right right
00:19:52 so
00:19:54 um there were enemies and I I could see
00:19:56 that as a valid reason why Joseph Smith
00:19:59 could have said that one
00:20:01 um
00:20:02 I I don’t
00:20:03 and this is a personal opinion I don’t
00:20:06 think he would have approached it that
00:20:07 way but
00:20:09 because in other letters especially even
00:20:11 talking about that subject
00:20:14 um I don’t see him talking that way
00:20:15 right right
00:20:18 um but
00:20:19 it’s a personal opinion and but it’s not
00:20:22 really Doctrine so that part doesn’t
00:20:24 really matter that much but
00:20:26 um the other one definitely was Doctor
00:20:29 right another thing is deep water is
00:20:33 symbolic of Chaos
00:20:35 and the world
00:20:36 uh and Yahweh does not call us to swim
00:20:40 in it
00:20:41 right he doesn’t call us
00:20:44 to be in the chaos the waters
00:20:48 Because deep Waters is symbolic of
00:20:53 um Satan’s domain it could also it could
00:20:57 also just be symbolic of
00:21:01 now
00:21:03 what I’m gonna I’m gonna push back
00:21:06 mildly a little bit on this because of
00:21:09 the Beatitudes
00:21:11 when Jesus says blessed are you when you
00:21:13 are persecuted for my name’s sake and
00:21:16 for uh I’m gonna let’s go there
00:21:20 okay
00:21:21 let’s go there no sure sure we should um
00:21:26 fill this out
00:21:28 um do you want Matthew 5 or 135 12. now
00:21:32 well let’s go with Matthew five okay
00:21:34 because yeah
00:21:37 I don’t know
00:21:39 I’m not afraid of the Bible
00:21:42 um
00:21:44 I’m just I’m just floating that out
00:21:47 there for uh
00:21:49 okay
00:21:51 um
00:21:53 let’s see we’re going into the
00:21:55 Beatitudes here it’s uh
00:21:59 let me find that particular verse that I
00:22:02 was talking about
00:22:05 yeah ten blessed are they which are
00:22:07 persecuted for righteousness sake for
00:22:09 theirs is the kingdom of heaven
00:22:11 blessed are ye when men shall revile you
00:22:13 and persecute you and shall say all
00:22:15 manner of evil against you falsely for
00:22:18 my sake
00:22:19 rejoice and be exceeding blood for great
00:22:22 Israel ward in heaven for so persecuted
00:22:24 they are the prophets which were before
00:22:26 you so he could
00:22:28 it is very possible
00:22:31 that he isn’t necessarily saying that he
00:22:34 Glory that he was called
00:22:36 to uh
00:22:38 that necessarily he was called to go
00:22:40 through these things
00:22:42 but rather
00:22:45 that he glories in them because of what
00:22:49 they mean
00:22:51 uh because of their connections
00:22:55 and so possibly see that
00:22:58 and so I’m
00:23:02 so that’s so that’s kind of how that’s
00:23:05 kind of that’s kind of where I’m that’s
00:23:08 kind of where I see some things
00:23:12 are kind of playing out as we have as we
00:23:15 step back and look at the bigger picture
00:23:17 of course God calls us to keep this law
00:23:19 of course God calls us to part the
00:23:23 waters to walk on the water
00:23:27 but sometimes
00:23:31 we’re also called to be persecuted
00:23:35 sure so the word called sometimes we
00:23:38 sometimes we are to face persecution
00:23:40 well and sometimes to say that I don’t
00:23:42 think we’re called to it we’re supposed
00:23:43 to yeah we’re supposed to Face
00:23:45 persecution because we honor the calling
00:23:48 we have been given
00:23:51 so by extension
00:23:54 by extension
00:23:57 we honor the calling we have been given
00:23:59 we are now facing persecution
00:24:02 you could see looking if you’re looking
00:24:04 at things from an emotional perspective
00:24:08 that now the now the because we’re
00:24:11 called to do something and this is the
00:24:13 result we may have that we may have been
00:24:16 called to this that kind of thing just
00:24:18 from an emotional level
00:24:20 I can kind of see that
00:24:23 um
00:24:23 I I see it a little differently and I’ll
00:24:26 explain just a minute and one thing and
00:24:29 maybe I’m reading this wrong but this
00:24:32 looks like
00:24:34 um deep water is what I am want
00:24:38 to sweep swimming well like he wants to
00:24:42 do it right wants to swim in it now I I
00:24:46 would compare that to Let’s reuse this
00:24:50 one
00:24:51 um ether 12.
00:24:54 and the reason why is because it shows
00:24:58 that they’re trying to make a better
00:25:00 world
00:25:02 uh not swimming in the current one right
00:25:05 right
00:25:08 um so wherefore who believeth in lmm
00:25:10 Elohim might with Surety hope for a
00:25:14 better world yeah even a place at the
00:25:16 right hand of Elohim which hopes cometh
00:25:19 of Faith which maketh an anchor to The
00:25:22 Souls of men which would make them sure
00:25:24 and sit fast always abounding in good
00:25:27 works being led to glorify Elohim so
00:25:30 okay
00:25:32 I see that because of this verse and
00:25:35 others like it I I would say if this was
00:25:39 Joseph Smith he would have wrote it
00:25:42 differently
00:25:43 well here’s well here’s another thing
00:25:47 uh just another thing to think about
00:25:49 sure
00:25:50 how many times
00:25:54 when even even though we’re doing
00:25:58 what God wants us to
00:26:00 when bad thing when bad things keep
00:26:03 happening
00:26:04 do we not make a rueful statement it’s
00:26:07 like well I seem to
00:26:09 I seem to want I seem to want all this
00:26:13 um I don’t say that
00:26:15 so
00:26:16 um well you know the
00:26:20 okay well
00:26:22 a lot of people do
00:26:25 it’s a sarcastic State it’s a kind of a
00:26:27 sarcastic kind of
00:26:29 well
00:26:31 I want to do this and so I want to do
00:26:34 this
00:26:34 okay so I think maybe what I’m hearing
00:26:37 from you then
00:26:39 um with Matt’s input is that maybe this
00:26:41 is a sarcastic statement yes
00:26:46 yes it’s not exactly
00:26:48 what it’s not exactly what it’s not
00:26:51 exactly
00:26:52 it’s more a matter of
00:26:55 okay here we go again I hear that
00:26:58 um and now I I’ll be honest I don’t
00:27:01 study a lot of Joseph Smith words
00:27:02 because I think they’ve been modified in
00:27:04 fact I a lot of them I know that they
00:27:06 have been modified
00:27:09 um but on that point I
00:27:13 don’t recall another occasion where he
00:27:16 uses sarcasm
00:27:18 okay do you
00:27:21 um well
00:27:23 I’ll I
00:27:26 yeah I mean you may have you may have a
00:27:29 point
00:27:30 um
00:27:31 and so that’s that’s and that’s
00:27:33 something
00:27:34 uh
00:27:36 anyways
00:27:38 you know I I see Richard I saw what
00:27:40 you’re saying
00:27:41 um
00:27:43 and I see what he’s saying as far as the
00:27:44 Revelation yeah as far as this being an
00:27:47 actual revelation of God’s will I can
00:27:50 definitely say I can definitely agree
00:27:52 with you that this isn’t necessarily a
00:27:54 revelation of God oh well I I mean
00:27:56 anybody who claims this is revelation in
00:27:58 fact this gets into a problem that I
00:28:01 don’t have my notes that we’ll talk
00:28:03 about since you’re bringing it up is
00:28:05 that
00:28:07 um Joseph Smith
00:28:09 has a habit
00:28:11 of quoting what Yahweh said and then
00:28:14 expounding it
00:28:15 and from The Book of Mormon Moroni 8 is
00:28:18 my favorite example for that but
00:28:21 in both DNC sections
00:28:24 um 127 128 there is no actual
00:28:28 there’s one part where they kind of
00:28:31 quote he quote to thus saith the Lord I
00:28:33 think in 1.7 yeah
00:28:36 oh wait yep yep barely that’s it but
00:28:40 it it’s not really much and it doesn’t
00:28:42 really give the things that he’s then
00:28:44 expounding it into it’s not obvious and
00:28:48 he’s not making scriptural connections
00:28:50 that go from one to the other and so
00:28:53 although he is quoting Yahweh
00:28:56 what’s being quoted doesn’t really
00:28:58 support the expounding that comes later
00:29:00 as we can look at it no you’re right
00:29:02 you’re right you’re right about that I I
00:29:05 think we may be dwelling too much on my
00:29:08 my point is that we may be dwelling a
00:29:10 little bit too much on what may be
00:29:13 colloquialisms and uh sure that’s that’s
00:29:16 fine
00:29:17 um correct
00:29:22 yeah and I believe I can bring some out
00:29:25 reasons why
00:29:27 but
00:29:28 it’s it’s not the main issue right right
00:29:33 and that’s and that’s my point is that a
00:29:36 lot of this stuff may be colloquialisms
00:29:38 and uh things and figures of speech so
00:29:45 so let’s let’s move on into the let’s
00:29:48 move on I I I personally don’t have any
00:29:51 notes on three but uh this would be a
00:29:52 good opportunity if anybody can think of
00:29:54 anything to speak up speak up or forever
00:29:57 hold their peace
00:29:59 all the saints Rejoice therefore and be
00:30:02 exceedingly glad glad for Israel’s
00:30:05 Elohim is their Elohim and he will meet
00:30:09 out a just recompense of reward upon the
00:30:12 heads of all of their oppressors
00:30:15 my only point is
00:30:17 that my issue with that verse is hasn’t
00:30:21 he already rejected them as a church
00:30:23 before this point
00:30:24 no
00:30:26 no not yet not yet okay anyway
00:30:29 um
00:30:31 you put them under condemnation not the
00:30:33 same thing not the same thing
00:30:35 okay
00:30:37 um
00:30:37 let the Saints
00:30:39 what I see here what I see here is
00:30:43 actually something that’s pretty
00:30:44 important in my opinion to dwell on
00:30:46 Israel’s God is their God
00:30:51 they are supposed to be adopting the
00:30:53 practices of Israel
00:30:59 that’s a that’s and because it’s as we
00:31:04 come into a family
00:31:06 as we come into a family we adopt the
00:31:09 practices and patterns of the family
00:31:12 correct God established his practices
00:31:15 and the practices and patterns for
00:31:18 Israel
00:31:19 right and if if this is truly
00:31:22 restoration we would be going back to
00:31:24 how it was before right yes
00:31:27 yes this is that so there is a fairly
00:31:30 important point to be made in verse 3.
00:31:33 Israel’s government is their God
00:31:37 uh and I I agree with what you’re saying
00:31:39 here
00:31:40 um I just I don’t think this um is
00:31:43 authentically from Joseph Smith but if
00:31:45 it was authentically from Joseph Smith
00:31:47 or whether or not it’s authentically a
00:31:50 whether or not it’s authentically just
00:31:51 Smith
00:31:53 Israel’s God is their God yeah yeah so
00:31:56 that is a true thing no matter who or
00:31:59 how this got put in here I I agree
00:32:01 exactly yes
00:32:04 and so Satan puts in some truth to make
00:32:08 that the evil look good but anyways
00:32:11 um I agree yes agreed him is I love him
00:32:15 and on that point we should have
00:32:18 nobody’s who’s
00:32:22 who we value their judgment of us
00:32:25 greater than Elohim yahwehs
00:32:29 Judgment of us
00:32:31 he because
00:32:33 yes did you want to say something Monica
00:32:37 I had a question so one thing that’s
00:32:39 kind of been on my mind is you know the
00:32:42 idea that we learn about in The Book of
00:32:44 Mormon that
00:32:45 um
00:32:46 that were actually the Gentiles you know
00:32:48 and not
00:32:50 you know blood Israel I guess
00:32:53 I would say a lot of us are mixtures
00:32:57 um a mixture of Gentiles blood wise
00:33:01 Gentiles and
00:33:03 um Israel but we grew up learning the
00:33:06 Gentile ways and some of us are trying
00:33:10 to put effort into learning Israel’s
00:33:11 ways
00:33:13 well the the the point is
00:33:16 that
00:33:20 the whole purpose
00:33:22 of the the whole purpose of the Gospel
00:33:25 with regards to the Gentiles is to bring
00:33:27 them into the house of Israel
00:33:29 yeah and the Book of Mormon brings out
00:33:31 how they are adopted into the house of
00:33:34 Israel right
00:33:37 but I so I’m not sure what your question
00:33:40 was Monica sorry yeah so well basically
00:33:43 like
00:33:44 I I find it a little bit problematic I
00:33:48 guess from my point of view that
00:33:51 especially like the early Saints and
00:33:53 even like the church now just like
00:33:55 assumes that they are Israel
00:33:58 and they kind of ignore the Jews
00:34:02 being Israel
00:34:04 oh yeah
00:34:06 and the um
00:34:08 like the you know the remnant of the
00:34:12 lamanites being Israel
00:34:15 and so when I read that I just you know
00:34:18 whenever I see the church claiming to be
00:34:20 Israel you know and I understand the
00:34:23 concept that we’re adopted in but it
00:34:26 always kind of rubs me a little the
00:34:27 wrong way wow like culture like cultural
00:34:30 appropriation yeah well I I think a lot
00:34:35 of that is done out of Pride
00:34:38 um right but it’s interesting we take
00:34:42 this the Book of Mormon to be
00:34:45 so important but yet we ignore what it
00:34:47 teaches but the the title page of the
00:34:51 Book of Mormon from the gold plates
00:34:52 actually States
00:34:54 that it’s primarily for the lamanites
00:34:59 right
00:35:03 in the house of Israel
00:35:06 then the Jews or and also to the Jews
00:35:10 and lastly to the Gentiles
00:35:13 that pattern is throughout the whole
00:35:16 book of Mormon
00:35:18 the Gentiles are
00:35:21 not second thoughts third thought last
00:35:24 thought
00:35:25 in the
00:35:27 Book of Mormon doesn’t speak or Yahweh
00:35:30 in the Book of Mormon does not speak
00:35:32 highly of the Gentiles right
00:35:34 um was it maybe middle of ether 12 I
00:35:38 think like if they repent
00:35:42 then they’ll have my ways where it’s the
00:35:45 lamanites and the Jews who are mostly
00:35:49 are more likely to repentance to
00:35:52 yahweh’s ways and the Gentiles for
00:35:55 and the Gentiles for the most part
00:35:57 rather than repent and return to yelt
00:35:59 waste waste actually hijack the gospel
00:36:03 and take it off into their own ways
00:36:07 exactly and in fact on on that since
00:36:12 um here’s a good verse that I like from
00:36:15 Jeremiah
00:36:17 oh Yahweh Lord my strength and my
00:36:21 Fortress and my refuge in the day of
00:36:22 Affliction the Gentiles shall come unto
00:36:25 thee from the ends of the Earth and
00:36:26 shall say surely our fathers have
00:36:27 inherited lies vanity and things wherein
00:36:30 there is no prophet that describes
00:36:34 Gentiles pretty well
00:36:38 yeah so from my understanding I’ve been
00:36:41 trying to figure out why the saints were
00:36:43 condemned in 1832
00:36:46 and I think that this was a big one
00:36:51 um well
00:36:52 so I’m just gonna show you let’s just
00:36:55 talk about this a little bit
00:36:57 um
00:37:00 because Israel’s God
00:37:05 is good
00:37:07 so because Israel’s God is their God yep
00:37:11 and they’re refusing and they’re
00:37:14 refusing and they’re refusing his ways
00:37:16 so let’s this is an important verse for
00:37:19 me that I think addresses what you’re
00:37:21 bringing up there Monica DNC 8457.
00:37:25 and they shall remain under this
00:37:27 condemnation meaning the church right
00:37:30 until they repent and remember the
00:37:34 renewed Covenant even the Book of Mormon
00:37:36 and
00:37:38 um and I’ll put it in the show notes
00:37:40 and I’ll put it
00:37:45 uh
00:37:47 sorry
00:37:50 The Book of Mormon
00:37:54 would help if I spelled correctly
00:37:58 The Book of Mormon teaches
00:38:01 Torah
00:38:03 and tons of verses after 35 11 is still
00:38:06 valid and the standard to know right
00:38:09 from wrong
00:38:14 well and the here’s and here’s the thing
00:38:18 with the
00:38:21 when they were obedient to that which
00:38:24 was revealed
00:38:27 the fruits that follow those that
00:38:30 believe all of them
00:38:32 when God revealed when God began to
00:38:34 reveal his law
00:38:36 they rebelled
00:38:40 which is
00:38:43 just like yeah when God began to reveal
00:38:46 to them his law
00:38:47 because we only have the beginning of
00:38:49 the revelation of the law
00:38:51 in 42 and 59
00:38:54 only the beginning
00:38:56 and they rebelled
00:38:59 I think you mean dean C-section is 42
00:39:02 and yeah DNC sections 42 and 59 and they
00:39:06 rebelled against that and fell under
00:39:07 condemnation yeah okay because there are
00:39:09 those who would argue that the former
00:39:11 Commandments are actually the form of
00:39:12 Revelations and that’s how I attack that
00:39:15 argument with sections 42 and 59 and so
00:39:19 and but on them I would say and the
00:39:22 former Commandments I I state is Torah
00:39:25 as in that other recording that I gave
00:39:28 um
00:39:29 yeah I’ll put it in the notes
00:39:32 and for those who haven’t watched it
00:39:34 you’ll want to watch it but
00:39:37 um just going back to this
00:39:39 if you keep reading it explains it more
00:39:41 which I Elohim had given them
00:39:45 not only to say but to do right okay you
00:39:49 have to do it not just teach it
00:39:53 do according to that which I
00:39:55 Elohim have written
00:39:59 Elohim wrote the Ten Commandments with
00:40:02 his own finger okay which I have written
00:40:07 yeah this is what I have written
00:40:11 Elohim did not write the Book of Mormon
00:40:14 the Mormon teaches
00:40:17 and helps us understand now and how to
00:40:20 keep what Elohim wrote with his own
00:40:23 anger nor did nor did uh
00:40:28 right section 42 or section 59. correct
00:40:33 he I I have I know of
00:40:38 you know true or false account from
00:40:41 Joseph Smith that states that Yahweh
00:40:43 wrote those
00:40:45 right those were either given to him by
00:40:49 voice or through the urum and thumb I I
00:40:53 don’t know the history well enough to
00:40:55 know what happened in those two sections
00:40:57 okay
00:40:58 we can go look but it wasn’t written by
00:41:01 Elohim
00:41:02 I don’t know anything that Joseph Smith
00:41:04 got that he claimed was written by
00:41:06 Elohim
00:41:08 yep
00:41:10 nothing the only thing I know that goes
00:41:14 with that well there’s a couple things
00:41:16 uh there’s Torah
00:41:21 the two tablets which contains the Ten
00:41:24 Commandments which all other
00:41:26 Commandments are based upon
00:41:29 there’s the writing in the temple with
00:41:32 Daniel and then there’s the writing in
00:41:34 the temple
00:41:35 from The Book of Mormon in which I
00:41:38 actually don’t remember the verse for
00:41:40 passage reference for that but it’s in
00:41:43 there somewhere
00:41:45 and I guarantee you that you don’t want
00:41:48 God writing in your temple
00:41:51 uh
00:41:52 uh well not knows the way it was written
00:41:55 with the one in Daniel anyways that’s
00:41:58 for sure
00:42:00 all right that’s for sure
00:42:02 anyways that’s that’s a side subject and
00:42:06 we’re we’re subject
00:42:09 but
00:42:10 um
00:42:11 they were rejected because they were not
00:42:13 keeping Torah
00:42:17 and that’s why we’re
00:42:19 the majority of us are still rejected
00:42:21 because most of us reject Torah which
00:42:24 actually teaches us how to be like
00:42:26 Yahweh
00:42:29 because he kept Torah perfectly and he
00:42:31 commanded us to do the same and God does
00:42:33 not give Commandments that are
00:42:35 impossible
00:42:36 correct
00:42:37 um oh wait what was that the Nephi
00:42:39 taught us but anyway we’re digressing
00:42:42 yeah yeah I I’ll let me just read this
00:42:44 though a lot of Christians will say what
00:42:47 would Yeshua do I believe a better
00:42:50 saying is what did Jesus do if we don’t
00:42:54 know what Yeshua actually did and the
00:42:57 reasons behind why he did them we won’t
00:43:00 have any clue what Yeshua would do in
00:43:03 this or that situation nor would we
00:43:05 really know Yeshua or understand him or
00:43:08 his ways for we really for if we really
00:43:11 know Yeshua and understand his ways we
00:43:15 would conduct ourselves like he did
00:43:17 while he was tabernacled here on Earth
00:43:20 and do
00:43:21 the things he did I believe that
00:43:24 includes celebrating the Feast of lives
00:43:28 and the appointed times which high
00:43:30 holidays commanded in Leviticus 23. I
00:43:34 promise you will gain anyways
00:43:37 um but yeah do what yahshua did
00:43:41 yep that’s the important part right up
00:43:43 there
00:43:43 yeah
00:43:45 um so does that help with your question
00:43:47 Monica
00:43:50 yeah I just I was kind of pointing that
00:43:52 out and just wanted to see what you guys
00:43:54 had to say about it oh yeah sure thanks
00:43:57 that’s fine okay so let’s hold on one
00:44:01 minute
00:44:03 okay I think I think she’ll be back I
00:44:05 think so I’m sure she’ll be back I’ll
00:44:07 keep an eye out
00:44:08 um I’m sure the problem is that she lost
00:44:10 internet but anyways okay so back to
00:44:14 um verse four so since Ben really wants
00:44:17 to get into this one I’ll read this one
00:44:19 and then we can all talk about it
00:44:21 so
00:44:23 um just review DNC 127 verse 4. and
00:44:26 again verily I see it unto Yahweh let
00:44:29 the work of my temple and all the works
00:44:32 which I have appointed unto you be
00:44:34 continued and not cease and let your
00:44:37 diligence and your
00:44:39 perseverance in patience and your work
00:44:42 to be redoubled and you shall in no wise
00:44:45 lose your reward sayeth Yahweh up hosts
00:44:48 and if they
00:44:50 persecute you so persecute they the
00:44:53 prophets and the righteous men that were
00:44:55 before you for this
00:44:58 there is a reward in heaven okay so it
00:45:00 sounds like Ben has some things he wants
00:45:02 to say well I mean we we had a very long
00:45:06 time we had a very long video
00:45:09 a scripture study where we actually went
00:45:11 into this whole thing that and never
00:45:14 once
00:45:16 in the original building it’s called a
00:45:19 house it’s called the house of God it’s
00:45:22 or
00:45:23 um my house or other things like that
00:45:26 it’s never called a temple it never is
00:45:30 um we didn’t record that one on accident
00:45:33 but yes okay
00:45:36 yeah it was it was during these same
00:45:39 fellowships and scripture studies but it
00:45:41 sadly was not recorded accidentally by
00:45:44 me that was my bad but you’re you’re
00:45:46 right I I forget the sections we looked
00:45:49 at
00:45:49 but we looked at we also we did we
00:45:52 looked at another one that you found we
00:45:54 looked at
00:45:55 when you look at two or three it’s
00:45:57 actually yeah we looked at we looked at
00:45:59 several sections which which ones uh the
00:46:02 ones the ones talking about the design
00:46:05 of the current Temple or the Kirtland
00:46:07 house
00:46:08 right
00:46:10 um
00:46:14 well
00:46:16 um
00:46:17 if we look at summaries do you think
00:46:19 they might ring a bell since we’re
00:46:21 talking about yeah
00:46:24 so I think they were more like
00:46:27 in the later like
00:46:30 just before 100s or after
00:46:33 um
00:46:37 I don’t remember I I don’t know if some
00:46:40 of these summaries might be enough to
00:46:41 ring a bell for you
00:46:43 yeah they’re really doing a really good
00:46:45 job actually hiding what’s in there
00:46:48 oh they in fact their their index and
00:46:52 their search hides things so they are
00:46:55 doing it because
00:46:57 well
00:46:59 they’re doing a job good job for those
00:47:01 who are not diligent and not using my
00:47:03 programs I’ll just uh put a little
00:47:05 same as plug in there
00:47:09 um uh let’s see
00:47:13 60s go up a little higher in the 60s and
00:47:17 go up a little higher in the 60s
00:47:21 I don’t know what to say
00:47:28 Portland Ohio
00:47:30 63. so if we don’t find it too quickly
00:47:33 probably it’s not too important but um
00:47:35 we spend a little time it’s not that
00:47:37 important but the the
00:47:39 I mean it would be good to see let’s see
00:47:43 let’s start going to Let’s flip open 59.
00:47:47 uh uh that one
00:47:51 okay so let’s see
00:47:54 [Music]
00:47:55 yeah that one’s no
00:47:58 I I don’t think that one’s it that one
00:48:01 just generally on different subjects
00:48:03 no
00:48:05 okay let’s start 60 then
00:48:08 uh okay let’s go look I don’t want to go
00:48:11 look through them all
00:48:12 but I’m pretty sure it was house right
00:48:14 wow yeah it was not to lose this house
00:48:17 it was house
00:48:19 I’m pretty sure it was house
00:48:22 um I I don’t know yeah but there’s not
00:48:25 enough and there’s not enough in these
00:48:27 headings that are on here for me to be
00:48:29 able to tell anyone well if we get more
00:48:31 time later we can come back and we can
00:48:32 use my search well I mean because I mean
00:48:36 my main thing is that without actually
00:48:38 showing it
00:48:39 we’re just making a claim okay
00:48:43 so let’s go yeah so Matt’s gonna Matt’s
00:48:46 gonna look for it
00:48:47 oh okay Matt will look and we’ll
00:48:49 continue on then
00:48:51 um yeah
00:48:53 so
00:48:55 but yes
00:48:57 um
00:48:58 in in no other section of scripture
00:49:02 does it call whatever was being built at
00:49:06 Temple it was the house of Yahweh right
00:49:10 or something along those lines this is
00:49:13 where I’m not we’re a house onto my name
00:49:15 or something to that effect right yes it
00:49:19 was never called a temple and here in
00:49:21 this section it’s calling it a temple in
00:49:24 fact that’s actually one of my points in
00:49:25 my
00:49:26 my notes is the fact that it calls it a
00:49:29 temple not even here but never in any in
00:49:33 the DNC sections let’s go to section 94.
00:49:36 okay
00:49:40 start in verse one hold on
00:49:46 no I’m just saying start in verse one
00:49:51 oh okay and again very I say unto you my
00:49:54 friends a commandment I give unto you
00:49:56 that you shall commence a work of laying
00:49:58 out and preparing and beginning and and
00:50:01 foundation of the city of the stakes of
00:50:03 Zion here in the line of Kirtland being
00:50:06 in my house beginning at my house
00:50:10 it’s house fact it’s not Temple building
00:50:14 of a house house onto me yeah yeah so
00:50:18 let’s see there’s
00:50:19 how shall be fully dedicated
00:50:21 verse 3 house
00:50:24 first ten house first 12th house first
00:50:27 1500 in verse 16 house so let’s just for
00:50:32 search
00:50:34 Temple oh look none
00:50:38 right I do remember there was at least
00:50:41 two or three sections
00:50:44 um maybe 95 was another one just I I
00:50:47 don’t know
00:50:48 yeah let’s let’s just try this house oh
00:50:53 look at that nice 10 occurrences so
00:50:56 let’s see concerning the building of my
00:50:58 house
00:51:00 a build a house which house I designed
00:51:04 to endow uh you should build a house let
00:51:08 the house be built okay so let’s search
00:51:12 temple temple
00:51:15 oh look no results
00:51:18 um
00:51:19 I I don’t remember if there’s a third
00:51:21 one I think it was two or three sections
00:51:23 we looked at I’m pretty sure at least
00:51:25 two I’m iffy on three yeah so but either
00:51:29 way we’ve gone through two and we’ve
00:51:31 shown always the the word Temple was not
00:51:35 used to designate that that house
00:51:38 correct it was not it was a house it’s a
00:51:42 house of Yelp okay wait and that is that
00:51:46 is a place of judgment in a place of
00:51:49 right yeah and one of the things I
00:51:51 remember we talked about is how it
00:51:53 talked about how it’s supposed to make a
00:51:55 court right yes
00:51:57 uh and that core is pattern off of how
00:52:00 uh courthouses are built
00:52:03 um there’s another thing that I remember
00:52:05 I was talking about yes it’s yes there’s
00:52:08 an upper port and a lower report
00:52:10 [Music]
00:52:12 or the courtroom is designed right
00:52:16 there’s the two sections
00:52:19 so anyways I think that is a very big
00:52:23 point to bring out in verse four is
00:52:25 nowhere in this
00:52:27 confirmed scriptures because some people
00:52:30 consider 127 scripture I do not
00:52:33 as it calls it a house and not a temple
00:52:38 right and I mean
00:52:41 um this is a whole side subject so I’ll
00:52:43 just say a little point on this is that
00:52:47 the temple that’s coming back is going
00:52:50 to do animal sacrifice
00:52:52 this did not
00:52:55 and I believe that’s why it’s called a
00:52:57 house
00:52:59 and not a temple right
00:53:03 a temple a temple has a temple has an
00:53:06 outer Court wherein sacrifices
00:53:08 right and
00:53:12 should we
00:53:15 maybe we should Sidetrack and look at
00:53:18 that one quote real quick
00:53:20 um quick Side Track yeah because it’s
00:53:24 it’s relates
00:53:26 to this right
00:53:28 um
00:53:31 that one okay so here’s an unfinished
00:53:33 post I don’t have anything those don’t
00:53:36 happen do they no they never
00:53:41 had but let’s go
00:53:50 I do I actually do try to finish these
00:53:52 it’s just like it sidetracked on new
00:53:55 ones
00:53:56 anyways
00:54:00 yeah look I I love my cousins anyways
00:54:03 I’m I
00:54:05 peanut gallery for myself
00:54:08 yeah
00:54:10 I’m pretty sure it sucked
00:54:13 no matter what we’re looking for I would
00:54:16 help you find it but I don’t know what
00:54:18 we’re looking for
00:54:20 I haven’t seen this one yeah you have
00:54:22 you just don’t remember
00:54:23 yeah your problem the first one we did
00:54:25 I’ve slept the first thing we did
00:54:27 together
00:54:28 oh yeah okay yeah well I’ve slept since
00:54:31 then
00:54:33 uh anyways I’m not going to comment on
00:54:36 that
00:54:40 um okay so we frequently here’s a little
00:54:43 portion I think we’ll have what we want
00:54:45 I want to focus we frequently have
00:54:46 mentioned made of offerings of Sacrifice
00:54:49 by the Servants of the most high and the
00:54:51 ancient of days prior to the laws of
00:54:54 Moses daily performance and artists
00:54:55 which ordinances will be continued wait
00:54:58 a minute okay so offering a sacrifice
00:55:01 illness High prior to the law of Moses
00:55:03 which ordinances will be continued when
00:55:06 the priesthood is restored with all its
00:55:08 Authority oh wait we don’t have it all
00:55:11 yet it is not to be understood that the
00:55:13 law of Moses daily performances will be
00:55:16 re-established again but it is the
00:55:18 rights and variety of the ceremonies
00:55:20 which never have been spoken of by the
00:55:22 prophets but those which existed prior
00:55:25 to Moses’s day namely
00:55:28 sacrifices will be continued okay so
00:55:31 this doesn’t specify animals we can go
00:55:34 read the rest of the quote
00:55:36 um
00:55:37 and so animal Joseph Smith taught animal
00:55:39 sacrifices will be coming back so if
00:55:43 Ben’s willing I’ll let him read the
00:55:45 whole quote okay
00:55:48 I’m going to need to move my
00:55:51 bar here so that I can read okay okay
00:55:55 where are we at starting with now the
00:55:58 purpose yeah this is probably the best
00:56:01 place to start because the the the two
00:56:03 parts of it didn’t bring out the the
00:56:05 whole thing so we need more yeah now the
00:56:09 purpose in himself in the winding up
00:56:10 scene or the last dispensation is that
00:56:13 all things pertaining to that
00:56:15 dispensation should be conducted
00:56:17 precisely in accordance with the
00:56:20 preceding dispensations and again God
00:56:23 purposed in himself that there should
00:56:25 not be an eternal fullness until every
00:56:28 dispensation
00:56:29 should be fulfilled and gathered
00:56:31 together in one
00:56:33 therefore he set the ordinances to be
00:56:35 the same forever and ever okay so a
00:56:38 couple things uh restoration not new
00:56:42 and it’s restoring to what was before
00:56:45 right but yeah that’s what restoration
00:56:48 means sorry yeah anybody who believes
00:56:52 that restoration means putting something
00:56:54 brand spanking new on the earth they
00:56:56 need to go back to school dictionary
00:57:00 no they need to go back to school and
00:57:03 get re-educated on how on what works
00:57:05 they need to look they need a
00:57:07 restoration of their education thus we
00:57:10 behold the keys of this priesthood
00:57:12 consisted in obtaining the voice of
00:57:15 yehovah
00:57:16 and he that he talked with him Noah in a
00:57:20 familiar and friendly manner and that
00:57:23 and he that he continued to him the keys
00:57:26 covenants the power and the glory
00:57:29 which he blessed Adam at the beginning
00:57:31 the offering of sacrifice which also
00:57:35 shall be continued at the last time or
00:57:37 dispensation where all the ordinances
00:57:39 and duties that ever have been required
00:57:41 by the priesthood under the directions
00:57:43 and Commandments of the almighty in any
00:57:46 of the dispensations shall all be had in
00:57:50 the last dispensation therefore all
00:57:52 things had under the authority of the
00:57:54 priesthood at any form of period shall
00:57:56 be had again bringing to pass the
00:57:58 restoration spoken by Spoken of by the
00:58:01 mouth of the Holy prophets
00:58:03 then shall the sons of Levi offer an
00:58:06 acceptable offering to the Lord
00:58:09 and he shall sit as a refiner and
00:58:12 purifier of silver and he shall purify
00:58:14 the sons of Levi and purge them as gold
00:58:17 and silver that they may offer unto the
00:58:19 Lord
00:58:21 it is generally supposed that sacrifice
00:58:23 was entirely done away in the great
00:58:25 sacrifice so here here’s where it’s
00:58:27 starting to get into animal sacrifices
00:58:29 right here are not done away right the
00:58:34 sacrifice of the Lord Yahweh Yahweh
00:58:37 Jesus Yeshua was offered up
00:58:41 and that there will be no necessity for
00:58:44 the ordinance of sacrifice in the future
00:58:46 but those who assert this are certainly
00:58:48 not acquainted with the duties
00:58:50 Privileges and authority of the
00:58:52 priesthood or with the prophets now this
00:58:55 is a direct I mean I I bolded all this
00:58:57 or I mean capped all this but
00:59:00 that Joseph Smith speaking
00:59:05 the offering of the sacrifice has ever
00:59:07 been connected
00:59:09 and forms a part of the duties of the
00:59:11 priesthood
00:59:12 it offering the sacrifice began with the
00:59:15 priesthood and will be continued until
00:59:17 after the coming of Christ the Messiah
00:59:21 from generation to generation we
00:59:23 frequently have mentioned made of the
00:59:25 offering of Sacrifice by the servants
00:59:27 the most high in ancient days prior
00:59:30 to the law of Moses prior means before
00:59:33 daily performances and ordinances which
00:59:36 ordinances will be continued when the
00:59:38 priesthood is restored with all its
00:59:40 Authority
00:59:42 power and blessings
00:59:43 these sacrifices as well as every
00:59:46 ordinance belonging to the priesthood
00:59:47 will win the Temple of the Lord of when
00:59:51 the Temple of Yahweh shall be built this
00:59:54 is future tense and the sons of Levi be
00:59:57 purified be fully restored and attended
00:59:59 to in all their powers ramifications and
01:00:02 blessings this ever did and ever will
01:00:04 exist when the powers of the Melchizedek
01:00:08 priesthood are sufficiently manifest
01:00:11 else how can the restitution of all
01:00:14 things
01:00:16 restitution of all things
01:00:18 spoken of by the holy prophets be
01:00:20 brought to pass
01:00:22 it is not to be understood that the law
01:00:24 of Moses daily performances and
01:00:25 ordinances will be established again
01:00:27 with all its rights variety of
01:00:29 Ceremonies this has never been spoken of
01:00:32 by the prophets but these things which
01:00:34 existed
01:00:35 prior to Moses day
01:00:38 namely sacrifice will be continued and
01:00:42 I’m just going to add animal sacrifices
01:00:45 we’ll continue it may be asked by some
01:00:48 what necessity for sacrifice since the
01:00:50 great sacrifice was offered the answer
01:00:52 to which if repentance baptism and Faith
01:00:55 existed prior to the days of Christ
01:00:57 but necessity for them since that time
01:01:01 and then where you can go find it so
01:01:04 here’s Joseph Smith is teaching that the
01:01:07 temple will have animal sacrifice and
01:01:11 when you read this that’s now and now
01:01:14 you have a point of reference for saying
01:01:17 now we have a point of reference for
01:01:19 saying for why you say that verse 1 is
01:01:22 not the words of Joseph Smith correct
01:01:25 look how
01:01:27 this is this is actually clear this is
01:01:30 consider and direct and precise not this
01:01:36 I I don’t know what else to put the
01:01:38 other Illusions or soft or kind of
01:01:42 saying it yeah Joseph Smith is direct
01:01:48 he doesn’t really fit it
01:01:50 foot it he just States it
01:01:55 um it’s those who are scared
01:01:58 that fitted it’s those who know
01:02:02 what they’re teaching is from Yahweh
01:02:04 that are bold and direct and and we
01:02:07 could go into bold but that’s a whole
01:02:08 other side subject
01:02:11 um
01:02:12 and we still have to get off of Earth we
01:02:16 still have to get through verse 4 of
01:02:17 127. we have yeah so I don’t think we
01:02:20 should Sidetrack on that but the
01:02:22 scriptures teach we should be bold
01:02:24 yeah okay and Joseph Smith was bold yeah
01:02:31 I will say this when people think that
01:02:34 Joseph Smith was bold
01:02:36 on everything other than polygamy you
01:02:39 don’t know Joseph Smith and I don’t want
01:02:41 to get too much into that because that’s
01:02:42 not the subject that we’re well I guess
01:02:44 it’s kind of the subject we’re on but
01:02:45 not directly right it’s kind of
01:02:47 indirectly right
01:02:50 Joseph Smith was not scared to teach the
01:02:52 truth okay yeah he ain’t heard
01:02:58 yeah the whole thing about Matt I said
01:03:01 he ain’t scared no and your Works be
01:03:03 redoubled
01:03:05 yeah that sounds that sounds like the
01:03:08 emperor yeah the the doubled is enough
01:03:11 double and triple our efforts yeah I
01:03:13 mean Yahweh doesn’t say that he doesn’t
01:03:16 say okay well you I told you to do this
01:03:19 you didn’t do it right so now I’m going
01:03:21 to tell you to do it more
01:03:24 no he’s just gonna tell you to do it how
01:03:26 you told how he told you to do it in the
01:03:28 first place not double or triple or
01:03:30 quadruple your efforts you just go do
01:03:33 how I told you how to do it in the first
01:03:35 place
01:03:36 foreign
01:03:39 in verse 4 is
01:03:43 um in fact redoubling when did Yahweh
01:03:47 say to double it before because here
01:03:49 he’s saying okay so he doubled it and
01:03:51 now he’s quadrupled it right because
01:03:54 it’s redoubling a double of a double is
01:03:56 four but anyways
01:03:59 um
01:03:59 yeah it’s another exam it’s another
01:04:02 example of uh
01:04:04 that’s another example of uh it’s
01:04:06 another example of double speak
01:04:08 yeah it it
01:04:11 it’s as if Yahweh didn’t know what he
01:04:14 wanted to be done in the first place no
01:04:16 he tells you in the very beginning what
01:04:19 is
01:04:20 is required
01:04:22 and then he helps you’ll keep it yeah
01:04:25 and repentance is returning to doing
01:04:28 what is required
01:04:29 correct I mean not to not not returning
01:04:33 to a greater Zeal with less knowledge
01:04:37 doubling your efforts because you just
01:04:43 it’s greater Zeal with less knowledge
01:04:45 yeah
01:04:46 first Nephi three seven the Lord God
01:04:49 will prepare a way to do what he
01:04:51 commanded not double of what he
01:04:54 commanded right right right
01:04:57 that’s just
01:04:59 sorry
01:05:00 um but anyways I I think we’ve
01:05:02 um have addressed uh verse 4 unless
01:05:05 anybody has anything else they want to
01:05:07 to address in verse four or ask
01:05:10 questions on
01:05:13 don’t okay all right uh
01:05:17 you want to read verse 5 map yeah and
01:05:21 again I give unto you a word in relation
01:05:23 to the baptism for your dad
01:05:26 okay so baptisms for the dead this is a
01:05:29 big subject
01:05:30 um
01:05:34 it’s contrary to the Book of Mormon and
01:05:37 the New Testament even Corinthians
01:05:40 First Corinthians 15 and first Peter
01:05:43 something okay let’s go look at notes
01:05:47 um and
01:05:50 well actually let’s go
01:05:58 here first
01:06:00 um
01:06:01 Okay so
01:06:04 um we can go look at multiple verses but
01:06:07 as you see I have some listed here and I
01:06:09 have some more in my notes that I’ve
01:06:12 learned more after since I wrote this
01:06:13 post but we can start with Moroni eight
01:06:17 Ronin 8 22 23 for behold all the
01:06:20 children are alive in Christ and also
01:06:22 all those who are without the law
01:06:26 so
01:06:27 now I actually do believe that this is
01:06:31 saying this
01:06:33 and is an or even in English and can
01:06:37 also mean or yes
01:06:39 um this is where it gets confusing but
01:06:43 it it could be a list of things and this
01:06:46 list of names
01:06:47 is referring to the same thing but
01:06:50 let’s say it’s not that okay
01:06:53 let’s say it’s people who
01:06:56 weren’t taught the law in their life and
01:06:59 we’ll address that later but if that’s
01:07:01 the case the power Redemption is coming
01:07:03 over all that have no law or for he
01:07:07 that is not condemned or he that is
01:07:10 under no condemnation cannot return
01:07:13 repent and such baptism of veileth not
01:07:16 so why are you baptizing for the dead if
01:07:19 they had no law
01:07:21 that’s my point here now well it’s not
01:07:24 only that but you’re as he goes on to
01:07:27 State it’s a mockery you’re denying the
01:07:30 mercies of Christ you’re saying oh
01:07:31 Christ can’t do
01:07:33 what he says he can do right because an
01:07:37 excuse for people for doing baptisms for
01:07:40 the dead is because people didn’t have
01:07:42 the law and here is saying well if they
01:07:45 I don’t agree with that and we’ll get
01:07:47 into that in a little bit because I
01:07:48 believe it’s only little children that
01:07:50 don’t have the law but if it is adults
01:07:54 that can be included in that while
01:07:56 you’re baptizing them because that is
01:07:58 mockery before Elohim denying his
01:08:01 mercies
01:08:02 and the Messiah
01:08:06 so Messiah 2
01:08:09 3 for behold there is woe pronounced
01:08:12 unto him who this is to obey that spirit
01:08:15 and teaches these bad things that
01:08:18 foreign
01:08:21 [Music]
01:08:32 Everlasting punishment I’m I’m going to
01:08:35 emphasize Everlasting I’m not getting
01:08:36 Sidetrack in that having transgressed
01:08:39 the law of Elohim contrary to his own
01:08:41 knowledge
01:08:43 yeah
01:08:44 um he dieth and remaineth in his sense
01:08:49 and
01:08:51 baptism
01:08:52 is a witness of a covenant that you made
01:08:55 so that way you can
01:08:57 get rid of those sins but here
01:09:00 I I mean we could go look at what
01:09:02 remaineth means but it means you don’t
01:09:04 get rid of it
01:09:06 you’re kidding
01:09:08 you can’t dump it like trash and garbage
01:09:11 no it means you’re stuck with it
01:09:15 I was
01:09:17 oh man
01:09:19 is it Elmer’s or gorilla
01:09:22 uh gorilla
01:09:24 in this case or no epoxy I should say is
01:09:28 it
01:09:29 but anyways I have a post about Sin
01:09:33 being glue
01:09:34 um so that’s kind of funny but anyways
01:09:36 um
01:09:38 shall we continue on or do you have
01:09:41 another person well one thing that I do
01:09:44 think is important
01:09:46 um in this subject
01:09:48 is that how a lot of people will teach
01:09:50 or claim that other people historically
01:09:55 was not taught the law or the gospel
01:09:58 where
01:10:00 um scriptures
01:10:01 teach against that in fact here’s a
01:10:03 couple and there’s more but here’s some
01:10:05 that I just have handy
01:10:08 um Zach you want to read some
01:10:18 in The Voice
01:10:20 by the mouth of angels to declare it
01:10:24 into all nations okay I just wanna I’m
01:10:27 gonna interrupt
01:10:28 what is that all all nations what I mean
01:10:32 can we do we need to go look up what all
01:10:34 means like hopefully not no no no no no
01:10:37 no it’s not he’s not meaning the literal
01:10:39 oh once again it’s the sarcastic all
01:10:42 day
01:10:44 this is sarcastic again
01:10:47 when the recordings out go refer to the
01:10:49 early recording okay
01:10:53 okay continue okay we have it we have
01:10:56 banished we have banished Matt from the
01:10:58 recording
01:11:01 that’s for sure
01:11:07 missions yeah you don’t declare it that
01:11:10 they may have Glide Titans of great joy
01:11:14 yeah he and he does
01:11:16 sound these quite Tidings among all
01:11:18 those people
01:11:19 even to them that are scattered abroad
01:11:22 upon the face of the Earth
01:11:24 therefore they have come unto us
01:11:29 I’ll read Alma 29
01:11:32 old Yahweh death Grant unto all Nations
01:11:37 of their own nation and tongue to teach
01:11:41 his word oh wait a minute so we don’t
01:11:44 need one Church to go teach it to
01:11:46 everybody
01:11:49 for Yahweh granted unto all nations of
01:11:53 their own nation and tongue to teach his
01:11:56 word yea in wisdom and that he sees fit
01:12:00 that they should have therefore we see
01:12:03 that Yahweh does counsel and his wisdoms
01:12:06 according to that which is just and true
01:12:08 he taught All Nations
01:12:12 interesting
01:12:13 Ben how many how much how much uh how
01:12:17 much evidence do we have of other of
01:12:19 other nations outside of the I mean we
01:12:21 can extrapolate from The Book of Mormon
01:12:23 and from the Bible that he had talked to
01:12:25 other nations and add you because we now
01:12:29 have word from more than one nation
01:12:32 do we have any others uh I I know one
01:12:35 that a lot of people like to talk about
01:12:36 is China when you actually look at the
01:12:40 letters
01:12:41 or not letters the uh picture graphs I
01:12:45 don’t know the technical term for it
01:12:47 yeah right those actually when you look
01:12:50 at how I stuff
01:12:52 doing the picture for the various words
01:12:54 actually shows that they had the gospel
01:12:57 um and that’s pretty cool they’re uh
01:13:01 there’s YouTube videos on this
01:13:04 um oh okay I I I
01:13:11 hopefully that’s close enough
01:13:17 uh there we go so there’s one and
01:13:20 there’s others
01:13:21 okay that is freaking awesome Chinese
01:13:24 heart touching worship songs
01:13:27 um
01:13:29 this is more along the lungs of what I
01:13:32 was thinking but there’s uh I didn’t
01:13:34 first learn of it if I haven’t actually
01:13:35 I’ve only seen a little bit of this one
01:13:37 but I’ve seen different videos along the
01:13:40 same lines okay uh
01:13:43 I’ve heard that like people claim that
01:13:46 to tell teaching
01:13:48 is like
01:13:49 scripture or something like that uh
01:13:55 um I I actually think that one’s Gnostic
01:13:57 but that’s another subject but yeah it’s
01:14:00 enough it’s the Gnostic Gospel
01:14:03 wherever the gospel is preached you’ll
01:14:05 find a Gnostic Gospel uh here’s another
01:14:07 one uh uh Elohim in ancient China and it
01:14:11 looks like they’re going to go over the
01:14:13 language so anyways yeah
01:14:16 and these are people who don’t believe
01:14:18 in the restoration that are wow yeah
01:14:21 that’s pretty cool
01:14:24 um so that’s actually pretty that’s
01:14:25 actually pretty cool I just thought that
01:14:27 I just thought it would be really I
01:14:28 thought it’d be really cool to kind of
01:14:30 get a few other
01:14:32 some other perspectives on um in the
01:14:36 recording on uh God speaking to All
01:14:39 Nations right well there there’s one
01:14:41 example of that
01:14:44 um and so it’s
01:14:47 for those who are aware of things that
01:14:49 are going on
01:14:51 it’s
01:14:53 it
01:14:54 there’s proof for it right yeah exactly
01:14:57 and there’s others out there that’s just
01:14:59 one example but anyways
01:15:00 um
01:15:01 so I’ve you want to read first Nephi 22.
01:15:06 okay but behold All Nations kindreds
01:15:09 tongues and people shall dwell safely
01:15:11 and the Holy One of Israel if it’s so be
01:15:13 that they will repent and return to
01:15:16 Torah wait a minute that’s all nations
01:15:18 again all right oh my word holy I’m I’m
01:15:22 noticing a pattern here I I see I’m
01:15:26 taking them out of context though
01:15:28 oh yeah you’re isolating you’re
01:15:30 isolating scripture here yeah I’m
01:15:32 isolating
01:15:34 Kesley can you read another isolated
01:15:36 verse for me
01:15:42 I’m a dork
01:15:49 um okay sorry it’s a little small okay
01:15:52 yeah
01:15:53 the one you’ve got highlighted I’m
01:15:55 guessing
01:15:56 um and the Lord said unto me Marvel not
01:15:58 the all mankind yay men and women all
01:16:02 nations kindreds tongues and people must
01:16:04 be born again yea born of God changed
01:16:07 from their carnal and Fallen state to a
01:16:09 state of righteousness being redeemed of
01:16:11 God becoming his sons and daughters oh
01:16:14 so not just the ones that were in there
01:16:16 in Israel huh
01:16:19 not just the ones in the new world
01:16:21 either yeah and considering personally
01:16:23 537 if Yahweh gives
01:16:27 usually prepares away could that be that
01:16:30 he does Grant unto them in their own
01:16:32 nation and tongue maybe I I don’t know
01:16:35 anyways oh wait wait wait oh I see it
01:16:37 again all nations oh shoot yeah so
01:16:43 anyone’s down here are just showing how
01:16:44 they’re choosing All Nations and to show
01:16:47 like the whole world a horrible
01:16:50 whole earth uh and other contexts and so
01:16:54 they they aren’t really necessarily the
01:16:56 preaching but it shows how it’s using it
01:16:58 the same way okay right
01:17:01 um and I don’t want to spend too much
01:17:02 time on those ones but that yeah but
01:17:04 this is but this is this is how you uh
01:17:07 this is this is how
01:17:10 um
01:17:11 uh Reveals His words to people
01:17:16 um it’s not my it’s not by somebody
01:17:19 going into a baptismal font and getting
01:17:21 really wet multiple times
01:17:24 um maybe getting an ear infection
01:17:27 uh
01:17:30 while they’re while they’re uh while
01:17:32 they’re being while they’re being dunked
01:17:34 for dead people
01:17:36 that no that’s I have a question sure
01:17:41 so if
01:17:43 um The Gospel is preached to All Nations
01:17:45 and everybody has the law then why is it
01:17:48 even mentioned
01:17:50 that those without the law are alive in
01:17:52 Christ because it’s the little children
01:17:54 that are without the law
01:17:58 is if they’re different
01:18:00 uh
01:18:02 um this is where I believe it’s
01:18:04 listening as the same thing
01:18:06 um in fact a lot of places it will list
01:18:08 Yahweh and Elohim and it’s
01:18:12 that’s the same person just a different
01:18:14 title for the same entity
01:18:18 um there’s also other times where it
01:18:20 lists multiple titles and about on the
01:18:24 godhead and then says a singular
01:18:28 him will do this
01:18:30 okay let’s go back well let’s go back to
01:18:33 that burst though let’s go back to that
01:18:35 verse which first uh that she’s talking
01:18:37 about
01:18:38 yeah yeah maroon I ate
01:18:41 so let’s look at it here
01:18:44 yeah let’s let’s take a look at that
01:18:46 verse
01:18:48 I think that the key
01:18:50 is an understanding the Hebrew mindset
01:18:53 uh I agree yes listen to the words of
01:18:56 Christ your Redeemer your lord your God
01:19:00 um you just moved right past where I was
01:19:03 sorry verse 8. behold I came to the
01:19:08 world not to call the righteous but
01:19:09 Sinners to repentance the whole need no
01:19:12 position but they that are sick
01:19:14 wherefore little children are whole for
01:19:18 they’re not capable of committing sin
01:19:20 wherefore the curse of adamant is taken
01:19:22 from them in me that it hath no power
01:19:24 over them and the law of circumcision
01:19:26 has done away in me okay and now let’s
01:19:29 so one thing I want to bring out is
01:19:31 those who are little children are not
01:19:34 capable of sinning
01:19:37 okay because they don’t have the law
01:19:40 they don’t understand they don’t have
01:19:42 the understanding and I think science
01:19:46 shows that
01:19:48 um
01:19:49 their brains aren’t fully developed to
01:19:52 the point to understand that
01:19:54 but you but but the absolute
01:19:58 responsibility of the parents to get
01:20:00 them
01:20:01 uh to get them to the point where
01:20:03 they’re you get them prepared to live uh
01:20:06 to live by the law and to live by the
01:20:09 law and by Revelation by the time
01:20:12 they’re eight years old correct
01:20:15 okay after this matter did the Holy
01:20:18 Ghost manifest the word of God me
01:20:20 wherefore my beloved Son I know that is
01:20:22 Solemn mockery before God that you
01:20:23 should baptize little children moving on
01:20:24 down to where that particular verse is
01:20:31 is it the next one
01:20:33 well where’s that one that says where’s
01:20:36 the one that’s talking about
01:20:39 let’s see
01:20:41 I think it’s further down
01:20:43 yeah go down
01:20:46 by closer to 19 and 20. 19 and 20. there
01:20:49 we go go down here yeah jump down
01:20:51 because that’s uh that up there is the
01:20:54 foundation okay so little Tribune cannot
01:20:57 repent because they don’t have the law
01:20:59 or for it is awful wickedness to deny
01:21:02 the pure mercies of Elohim unto them for
01:21:05 they are alive in him because of his
01:21:08 Mercy
01:21:09 and he that saith little children needed
01:21:12 baptism denieth the mercies of the
01:21:16 Messiah and said it not the atonement of
01:21:19 him and the power of His Redemption
01:21:22 woe unto such for they are in danger of
01:21:27 death hell and endless torment I speak
01:21:31 it boldly Elohim hath commanded me
01:21:34 listen unto them and give he that they
01:21:37 stand against you at the Judgment seat
01:21:39 of Christ so
01:21:42 um
01:21:47 for behold that all for behold that all
01:21:50 little children are alive and Christ and
01:21:53 here we have the and
01:21:56 the thing in the Hebrew my the thing in
01:21:59 the Hebrew mindset the word for the word
01:22:03 in the Hebrew for that comes across and
01:22:06 also means or
01:22:08 right and this is where even in English
01:22:10 even though people say and sometimes it
01:22:13 can also mean or
01:22:15 um so so for me so another an alternate
01:22:20 reading
01:22:21 looking at this and looking at this
01:22:24 because these people were Hebrew
01:22:26 correct and this is written primarily
01:22:29 the lamanites and the Jews who are
01:22:32 Hebrews
01:22:33 for behold that all little children are
01:22:35 alive in Christ
01:22:37 or also all they that are without the
01:22:39 law
01:22:42 right so there did not so now you’re
01:22:44 defining who is without the law and that
01:22:47 is the little children that are alive in
01:22:49 Christ
01:22:50 or I another way to say it for behold
01:22:52 that all little children are alive in
01:22:54 Christ
01:22:55 who
01:22:57 are also they that are are without the
01:23:00 law
01:23:05 it’s just stating that one group in a in
01:23:09 a different fashion
01:23:11 for the power of Redemption come upon
01:23:13 all them that have no law wherefore he
01:23:15 that is not condemned or he that is
01:23:17 under no condemnation cannot repent and
01:23:19 unto such baptism available if nothing
01:23:21 so it up further up it was earlier it
01:23:26 was only little children that are
01:23:28 defined
01:23:29 as who cannot repent right
01:23:33 um what verse was that
01:23:36 so if he so if he’s walking that back
01:23:38 now in verse 22
01:23:43 um so like then he schizophren
01:23:46 heit
01:23:48 little children are whole for they are
01:23:50 not capable of committing sin
01:23:53 here it only says it one way
01:23:58 and what I’m trying to get out is down
01:24:00 here it’s just saying in multiple ways
01:24:02 to kind of put an extra emphasis on yeah
01:24:04 and so he’s not here he’s not what he’s
01:24:07 not walking it back he’s not expanding
01:24:09 the group
01:24:10 he’s simply stating these are those who
01:24:13 are who are not these are those who
01:24:16 don’t have the law right
01:24:19 um he’s just saying another way in that
01:24:21 case
01:24:23 um
01:24:24 and and throughout the Book of Mormon
01:24:26 it’s only little children that have an
01:24:28 exception
01:24:30 to being required to keep the law
01:24:36 everywhere uh like even uh
01:24:40 mosiah
01:24:42 6.
01:24:44 and 26 is related to that but I if you
01:24:48 want to Sidetrack on that a little bit
01:24:50 we can but the only exception those who
01:24:53 don’t have the law is little children
01:24:56 throughout
01:24:57 the scriptures I mean even right here if
01:25:01 if you just take the one verse out of
01:25:03 the context where it’s then listing
01:25:06 possibly two different groups which I am
01:25:09 and Ben and I are saying is just another
01:25:11 way of describe the same group what’s
01:25:13 going on in verse eight why isn’t the
01:25:15 two groups listed there
01:25:19 they forget
01:25:21 I don’t think so
01:25:23 um I just think it’s just another way to
01:25:25 say the same thing in fact
01:25:27 um
01:25:28 I would wonder one thing that maybe one
01:25:32 day I can spend some time on there’s
01:25:34 probably a chiasm in here to help tie
01:25:36 these together would be an educated
01:25:40 guess
01:25:42 um
01:25:45 well anyways I I don’t want to get into
01:25:49 that we can get into that another time
01:25:51 does that help some with your question
01:25:53 Monica
01:25:56 uh yeah I mean I was just curious
01:25:57 because you know it mentions it there so
01:26:01 um it just sounded like you know there
01:26:03 might be some people that
01:26:05 didn’t get the message
01:26:07 sure sure and and it’s little children
01:26:09 because I think it’s probably
01:26:11 everywhere else it shows and that adults
01:26:15 so
01:26:16 let me
01:26:18 Zach yeah
01:26:21 so before
01:26:23 you’ve brought this out I did think that
01:26:26 first was talking about like
01:26:30 those who who in their life like
01:26:32 never heard of Yeshua or
01:26:35 the tour
01:26:38 that’s what I used to think
01:26:40 anyway
01:26:41 well let me put most of the world
01:26:43 especially the Restoration World thinks
01:26:46 right well and let me say let me say
01:26:48 this let’s go let’s go into the
01:26:52 let’s go into the truth about God
01:26:57 is
01:26:59 no respecter
01:27:01 God is no respecter of persons the truth
01:27:03 about salvation is that no man can be
01:27:06 saved in ignorance this is something
01:27:08 that Joseph Smith taught us
01:27:10 very true so if verse 22 is talking
01:27:14 about these other grown-up people
01:27:16 who are saved in their ignorance
01:27:21 then God has now made himself a liar
01:27:24 right because now now he’s being a
01:27:26 respecter of persons on on these he’s
01:27:30 being he’s respecting he he’s respecting
01:27:33 ignorance
01:27:34 right
01:27:36 um
01:27:36 so
01:27:38 here’s I want to bring this out for
01:27:40 behold the spirit of the Messiah is
01:27:43 given unto every adult every man
01:27:47 little children are not men
01:27:51 um that they may know good from Evil
01:27:54 wherefore I show unto you the way to
01:27:56 judge for everything which is invited to
01:27:58 do good and to persuade to believe in
01:28:01 the Messiah is sent forth by the power
01:28:04 and the gift of the Messiah wherefore
01:28:06 you may know with a perfect knowledge it
01:28:08 is of Elohim but anyways the main part
01:28:11 every
01:28:13 man now we talked about this a little
01:28:16 bit
01:28:17 a little while ago with the documentary
01:28:20 of the flds one of the documentaries on
01:28:25 flds but
01:28:27 the
01:28:29 some of the men and some of the women
01:28:31 despite what all the leaders were
01:28:33 teaching somehow knew what they were
01:28:36 doing was wrong
01:28:38 and it wasn’t because their leaders were
01:28:40 teaching them
01:28:42 because they were teaching them the
01:28:43 exact opposite but somehow they listened
01:28:47 to yahweh’s Spirit and knew it was wrong
01:28:50 and for me that is an example that the
01:28:54 spirit of the Messiah is given to every
01:28:56 adult
01:29:01 that is one in our own
01:29:06 Faith tradition that shows that because
01:29:09 I’m sure everybody here knows about the
01:29:11 flds right yeah and those people despite
01:29:15 what their leaders were teaching them
01:29:17 knew it was wrong and they worked
01:29:19 towards stopping it
01:29:22 mm-hmm
01:29:24 if people will listen
01:29:27 they every adult can know good from evil
01:29:32 there are some people who are there are
01:29:35 some people who are really tuned into
01:29:36 that life
01:29:38 right even if it’s to the point that
01:29:40 they may they know they don’t like it
01:29:42 done to them
01:29:43 they should know that they they should
01:29:45 be doing it onto others right the Golden
01:29:48 Rule
01:29:51 um
01:29:51 there’s just no excuse
01:29:54 not to mention all the other verses that
01:29:56 we just read how
01:29:58 um Yahweh sends
01:30:00 people from their own Nations to teach
01:30:02 them right
01:30:04 um
01:30:06 and I thought I had one from Isaiah two
01:30:09 through five but I’m not seeing it right
01:30:10 now and we’ve probably spent enough time
01:30:13 on that unless Monica wants to address
01:30:15 as a little any more questions you would
01:30:18 like to address on that
01:30:21 uh no that’s fine I can respond around
01:30:24 it okay
01:30:26 um okay so let’s go back
01:30:36 127 okay so I think
01:30:43 that’s probably enough for verse five on
01:30:45 those notes I have oh actually
01:30:50 um
01:30:52 if I could type correctly I do want to
01:30:55 go look at
01:30:56 um
01:30:57 so First Corinthians 29 is 15 29 yeah
01:31:02 yeah 1529 that’s kind of a famous one
01:31:06 right now one thing we need to remember
01:31:09 that
01:31:11 the wages of sin is death
01:31:15 and so when we sin we are considered
01:31:19 dead in fact in this chapter
01:31:22 um I think I I may have it here
01:31:27 uh Paul here is stating in First
01:31:31 Corinthians 15 31 I protest your
01:31:35 rejoicings when I have in the Messiah
01:31:38 Yeshua our Lord I Die daily
01:31:44 did Paul literally die
01:31:47 every day physically
01:31:52 I’ll tell you I don’t think so I mean I
01:31:54 was there so I don’t know 100 because
01:31:57 maybe he was being raised from the dead
01:31:59 every day
01:32:00 that I highly doubt that yeah I think
01:32:03 this is figurative speech Yes
01:32:06 uh oh look here’s another one
01:32:09 oh no that’s the same one I said twice
01:32:11 for some reason anyways anyways
01:32:15 um but
01:32:17 First Corinthians 15 20 now else what
01:32:20 shall they do which are baptized for
01:32:22 those who have sinned for if those who
01:32:24 have sinned rise not at all why then
01:32:28 baptized for those who have sinned
01:32:31 meaning if there’s no Resurrection why
01:32:34 are you baptizing
01:32:37 what’s the point
01:32:38 if there’s no life after death
01:32:43 why are you doing a witness that you’re
01:32:47 decided to keep all his
01:32:50 Commandments now because what’s the
01:32:52 point
01:32:54 you’re dead
01:32:55 there’s no life after you’re dead what’s
01:32:58 the point
01:33:01 anyways yeah we can also go back into
01:33:04 First Corinthians 15 18 they then they
01:33:07 also which are falling asleep that is
01:33:10 sleeping is an idiom for sinner for
01:33:12 sinning correct
01:33:14 um those who
01:33:17 and those who have fallen asleep in
01:33:19 Christ are perished so if you if you you
01:33:23 know so and so this is this tells us all
01:33:28 about
01:33:29 um what it means about the meaning of
01:33:32 baptism for the Dead
01:33:36 and it’s baptism of those who have
01:33:38 sinned that’s what’s going on
01:33:40 yep so um I found a scripture I wanted
01:33:43 to bring up actually okay okay
01:33:47 um sorry it’s going back a little bit to
01:33:48 this topic we were just talking about I
01:33:50 was looking for it but I did just find
01:33:52 it okay
01:33:54 um it’s mosiah 15 24 I believe okay 15
01:33:58 24.
01:34:00 foreign
01:34:10 okay and these are those who have part
01:34:14 in the first resurrection and these are
01:34:17 those that have died before
01:34:20 the Messiah came in their ignorance not
01:34:22 having salvation declared unto them thus
01:34:25 Yahweh bringeth about the resurrection
01:34:27 of these that they have a part in the
01:34:30 first resurrection or have eternal life
01:34:32 being redeemed of Yahweh so
01:34:37 um my first interculation there’s a
01:34:39 difference between the salvation and the
01:34:43 law
01:34:46 because Moroni 8 deals with the law and
01:34:50 Moroni 7 deals with the law
01:34:54 um
01:34:54 and so on this little specific part not
01:34:57 having salvation declared onto them
01:35:00 I’m not completely sure what to say
01:35:03 but one thing that is for sure that’s
01:35:06 different than the law
01:35:12 well let’s take a look
01:35:15 um secondly phone
01:35:18 so one thing that relates to
01:35:22 um here
01:35:25 this is DC 76.
01:35:28 who receiveth not the testimony
01:35:31 and this is
01:35:37 yeah these verses here in mosiah 15
01:35:40 relate to DNC 76. yeah so here here’s it
01:35:45 is in dnc76 and here’s one that I
01:35:47 believe relates to it the wording is a
01:35:50 little different so I I’d have to think
01:35:53 about it some but let’s let’s look at
01:35:54 this but 74 who receiveth not the
01:35:58 testimony of Yeshua in the flesh but
01:36:01 afterwards received it these are they
01:36:04 who are Honorable Men of the earth who
01:36:06 were blinded by the crass craftiness of
01:36:10 men
01:36:12 um so
01:36:15 not receiving it
01:36:18 is more that like
01:36:20 they they got tricked but they were
01:36:22 still good people and so it was not at
01:36:25 least here it’s not that they weren’t
01:36:26 declared onto them
01:36:29 so I I would have to
01:36:32 but in verse 24 it says they were
01:36:35 ignorant but they didn’t know
01:36:37 right but
01:36:40 ignorant knowing Yahweh
01:36:43 is because you keep his laws
01:36:48 um and
01:36:49 in
01:36:50 Hosea it talks about you’re destroyed
01:36:54 because of your
01:36:57 lack of knowledge which is ignorance of
01:37:00 what Yahweh in his ways
01:37:03 um so the one thing that I would say is
01:37:06 probably the hardest part at this point
01:37:08 at least for me is declared
01:37:12 now just speaking out loud or thinking
01:37:15 out loud
01:37:16 and not having salvation declared onto
01:37:19 them that’s not necessarily having
01:37:21 repentance
01:37:22 declared onto them but Yahweh saying you
01:37:27 are saved in fact I’m just thinking
01:37:29 through this live here with you
01:37:33 um
01:37:34 what chapter is Alma the younger
01:37:38 I think it’s mosiah 26 or they’re about
01:37:41 where Yahweh actually tells Emma the
01:37:46 younger
01:37:47 you are saved
01:37:49 that is having salvation declared unto
01:37:52 them
01:37:57 you can’t be I do think that in their
01:37:59 ignorance actually can go back to Moroni
01:38:02 chapter eight
01:38:05 because it defines
01:38:08 morono chapter 8 defines suicide
01:38:12 it’s the little children yeah so that
01:38:15 could be little children I could see
01:38:17 that they they can’t they can’t make
01:38:20 they can’t make the Judgment they can’t
01:38:22 make the Judgment they don’t have they
01:38:24 don’t have the experience they are they
01:38:26 they’re they’re they who can be saved in
01:38:29 ignorance
01:38:30 I I can see that
01:38:32 um another thing that I would say not
01:38:34 having salvation declared onto them is
01:38:36 calling election made sure right that is
01:38:39 Yahweh telling you himself that you are
01:38:43 saved so
01:38:44 these are people
01:38:46 that
01:38:48 did not endure to the end and have their
01:38:51 salvation declared unto them by
01:38:53 yahweh’s own voice
01:38:57 so on the surface it does look like it
01:39:00 could contradict but I think
01:39:03 at least in my opinion thinking through
01:39:05 this um it doesn’t contradict it’s just
01:39:08 something you have to think about a
01:39:10 little bit Yeah the
01:39:12 um
01:39:14 now they are raised to dwell with God
01:39:16 who has redeemed them thus they have
01:39:18 eternal life that Christ was broken we
01:39:20 the other thing is is that when we read
01:39:22 these verses out of context of the whole
01:39:25 so let’s let’s go into the context of a
01:39:28 whole here
01:39:29 okay well I think it’s kind of it’s a
01:39:31 pretty close mirror of DNC 76 I think
01:39:35 but but I mean
01:39:37 you know there cometh a resurrection
01:39:39 even a first resurrection let’s at least
01:39:41 just look at the first resurrection
01:39:44 okay
01:39:46 there come at the resurrection even a
01:39:48 first resurrection yay even a
01:39:49 resurrection of those that have been and
01:39:51 who are and who shall be even until the
01:39:53 resurrection of Christ for so shall he
01:39:56 be called okay
01:39:58 so and now the resurrection of all the
01:40:02 prophets and all those that believed on
01:40:04 their words are all those that kept the
01:40:06 Commandments of God shall come forth in
01:40:08 the first resurrection therefore they
01:40:10 are the first resurrection
01:40:12 they are raised to dwell with God who
01:40:14 has redeemed them thus they haven’t they
01:40:16 have eternal life for Christ who has
01:40:18 broken the band’s death
01:40:20 now I’m going to look at this okay and
01:40:24 actually verse 25 actually says
01:40:27 uh it’s like these are the 25 is
01:40:30 actually pretty important
01:40:33 thank you I was reading that oh sorry
01:40:37 sorry
01:40:40 okay
01:40:43 um
01:40:45 and all those who believed on their
01:40:47 words or or all those that have kept the
01:40:50 Commandments of God shall come forth in
01:40:51 the first resurrection therefore they
01:40:53 are the first resurrection they are well
01:40:54 with God who has redeemed and thus they
01:40:56 have eternal life reprise to his broken
01:40:57 bands of death and these are those who
01:41:00 have part in the first resurrection and
01:41:01 these are they that that have died
01:41:03 before Christ came and they’re ignorance
01:41:06 not having salvation declared on women
01:41:08 thus the Lord bringeth
01:41:09 restoration of these and they have to
01:41:11 part in the first resurrection or have
01:41:13 eternal life being Redeemed by the Lord
01:41:14 and or little children also have eternal
01:41:17 life
01:41:20 yeah I
01:41:22 verse 25 informs verse 24. yeah it’s
01:41:27 it’s this where this and or issue even
01:41:30 in English and Community or
01:41:33 um
01:41:34 or also known as AKA
01:41:39 um and more modern vernacular right
01:41:44 I’ll be holding fear and tremble before
01:41:46 God for ye ought to travel for the Lord
01:41:48 redeemeth none such that rebel against
01:41:49 him die in their sins none even those
01:41:54 who supposedly didn’t know the law right
01:41:58 which
01:41:59 Rowan A7 says all adults
01:42:05 so yeah 25 and 25 informs are
01:42:09 understanding verse 24. this is why you
01:42:11 can’t this is why you have to actually
01:42:13 look at this is why you have to look at
01:42:16 the scriptures in context of the whole
01:42:19 when you’re looking at them
01:42:21 uh because when you when you when you
01:42:24 look at that scripture itself oh yeah
01:42:26 that seems to be open and shut
01:42:29 these are although everybody
01:42:32 who hasn’t heard
01:42:35 gets a it gets right into the gets gets
01:42:39 a free Passion of the Celestial Kingdom
01:42:41 yeah and that’s not the case and in fact
01:42:44 well I wasn’t suggesting that
01:42:47 but um no I’m talking I’m talking about
01:42:50 this is the not you this is something
01:42:53 this is something this is
01:42:55 it’s a proverbial you not you first
01:42:57 right now I understand but I’m just
01:42:59 clarifying yeah yeah yeah yeah but
01:43:04 you’re just trying to understand
01:43:06 um yeah but that 25 at verse 25 really
01:43:11 informs verse 20 the meaning of verse
01:43:13 24.
01:43:15 yeah yeah and this not having salvation
01:43:19 declared unto them I I don’t believe at
01:43:22 this point that that’s talking about
01:43:27 teaching the gospel right now I think
01:43:31 that’s how a lot of people are gonna
01:43:32 take it but yeah but I don’t I I
01:43:36 personally I disagree especially because
01:43:38 of the part in there that says
01:43:42 um and these are they that have died
01:43:44 before Christ came
01:43:46 so um that’s not going to be just
01:43:49 talking about little children I don’t
01:43:51 think and
01:43:53 um everybody you know so initially you
01:43:56 know the gospel was only given to Israel
01:43:58 and everybody else
01:44:07 but then Abraham was called out of
01:44:09 battle
01:44:11 and you know they were his chosen people
01:44:15 um but they had it they just perverted
01:44:18 it and the mazaroth actually teaches the
01:44:21 gospel also
01:44:23 um and so whenever there’s a Prophet
01:44:25 this is the primary thing that they
01:44:28 teach is
01:44:30 um
01:44:33 pulling people to the Messiah and even
01:44:36 all the prophets who prophesied ever
01:44:38 since the world began
01:44:40 Adam had they not spoken more or less in
01:44:43 these things salvation through Yahweh
01:44:47 and and just because we have the record
01:44:50 of Abraham
01:44:52 doesn’t mean that there weren’t other
01:44:54 people
01:44:56 who also followed in the way
01:45:01 just to just to go off on that let’s go
01:45:04 with Doctrine and Covenant section 84.
01:45:07 okay
01:45:13 we’re gonna go uh into section 84.
01:45:18 they’re going to be right up here okay
01:45:21 and the sons of in verse starting in
01:45:23 verse 6.
01:45:25 and the sons of Moses according to the
01:45:26 holy priesthood which he received under
01:45:28 the hand of his father-in-law Jethro
01:45:31 oh wait a minute Jethro isn’t a
01:45:33 descendant of Abraham no he’s not and
01:45:36 Jethro received it under the hand of
01:45:37 Caleb
01:45:38 and Caleb received it under the hand of
01:45:40 Eli who
01:45:42 and Eli who under the hand of Jeremy and
01:45:45 Jeremy under the hand of God and God
01:45:46 under the hand of Isaias and isaiahs
01:45:49 received it under the hand of God
01:45:54 so the point is Abraham and his seed
01:45:58 were not the only people who have the
01:46:01 gospel we just have the record of
01:46:04 Abraham and his seed right and then even
01:46:08 in here like it says
01:46:10 Elias received under the hand of God
01:46:12 Elias also lived in the days of Abraham
01:46:14 and was blessed now one that’s much more
01:46:18 famous is Melchizedek
01:46:20 and even in here it doesn’t talk about
01:46:22 where Melchizedek got it from but that’s
01:46:24 a whole nother can of worms but
01:46:27 so here’s
01:46:30 um two at the same time of Abraham one
01:46:33 we know of Melchizedek the other he is
01:46:39 I’ll be honest the only
01:46:42 witness I know of that one is
01:46:45 um here in the DNC I don’t know another
01:46:47 one
01:46:48 hmm
01:46:49 and so but the point is
01:46:53 due to Revelations that we have received
01:46:55 we know that there were other people
01:46:58 even at the time of Abraham
01:47:01 were walking in the way
01:47:03 who were not Abraham and his seed right
01:47:07 and in fact Abraham got it from someone
01:47:09 who did it before him
01:47:12 in the same type of situation
01:47:18 and if this other line had not been
01:47:21 walking in the way then the priesthood
01:47:23 could not have been given to Moses
01:47:25 because Jacob’s seed
01:47:28 apostatized in Egypt
01:47:35 very interesting
01:47:40 so I so my point so my point is
01:47:47 we don’t know who God’s working with
01:47:52 no no I mean I that’s awesome I really
01:47:56 didn’t know that and I’m glad that I’ve
01:47:58 learned that just now wow I think just
01:48:02 off top of my head I think second Nephi
01:48:04 29 might go along with this
01:48:07 um
01:48:08 hopefully I can
01:48:10 find a verse for it so
01:48:13 um
01:48:16 I mean that’s apparent you know with the
01:48:18 Book of Mormon and whatnot and we know
01:48:19 you know right you know if we can
01:48:23 believe in the Book of Mormon why can’t
01:48:25 we believe that there are other people
01:48:27 yeah well it’s just uh I just think
01:48:30 there might have been some that were
01:48:31 missed you know and maybe that’s who
01:48:32 it’s talking about what is this but but
01:48:35 how is that according to the justice of
01:48:37 God
01:48:38 and and how is that according to some
01:48:41 earlier verses that we read but in
01:48:43 second Nephi 29 what I’m trying to find
01:48:45 is how
01:48:47 yes it talks about the Bible and the
01:48:49 Book of Mormon but it also talks about
01:48:50 how he talked to other people oh yes uh
01:48:55 um okay wherefore because you have a
01:48:58 verse 10. wherefore because you have a
01:49:00 Bible you need not supposed it contains
01:49:02 all my words neither need you suppose
01:49:03 that I’ve not caused more to be written
01:49:07 for I command all men both in the East
01:49:09 and in the west and in the north and in
01:49:11 the South and in the islands of the sea
01:49:13 that they shall write The Words which I
01:49:15 speak unto them out of the book wait a
01:49:17 minute what’s that not the Israelites
01:49:20 but oh sorry
01:49:23 we are making this thing jump all over
01:49:25 the place dude yeah I don’t mean to
01:49:28 where I command all men both in the East
01:49:31 and in the west and in the north and in
01:49:34 the South and in the islands of the sea
01:49:36 that they shall write The Words which I
01:49:37 speak unto them
01:49:39 for out of the books which shall be
01:49:41 written I will judge the world every man
01:49:44 according to their Works according to
01:49:46 that which is written
01:49:47 for behold I speak what’s written that
01:49:50 he’s going to judge us why it’s the law
01:49:52 that he gave us or gave them and us
01:49:56 just by for behold I speak unto the Jews
01:50:00 and they shall fight and I shall also
01:50:02 speak unto the Nephites and they shall
01:50:03 write it and I shall speak unto the
01:50:06 other tribes of the House of Israel
01:50:08 which I have led away
01:50:10 and they shall write it
01:50:13 and I shall also speak unto all the
01:50:16 nation all the nations of the earth and
01:50:19 they shall write it
01:50:25 speak to
01:50:28 oh
01:50:32 and it and it shall come to pass that
01:50:35 the Jews shall have the words of the
01:50:37 Nephites
01:50:38 and then he fights shall have the words
01:50:40 of the Jews
01:50:42 and then he fights and the Jews shall
01:50:44 have the words of the Lost tribes of
01:50:45 Israel
01:50:47 and the lost tribes of Israel shall have
01:50:49 the words that Nephites and the Jews and
01:50:51 it shall come to pass that by people
01:50:53 which hour of the House of Israel shall
01:50:55 be gathered oh unto the lands of their
01:50:57 possessions
01:50:59 and my word also shall be gathered in
01:51:01 one
01:51:02 and I will show on to them that fight
01:51:04 against my word against my people
01:51:07 who are of the House of Israel that I am
01:51:09 God and that I covenanted with Abraham
01:51:12 and I would remember his seed forever
01:51:15 so the point is is that when all these
01:51:17 people are living according to the law
01:51:21 the blessing they receive the same
01:51:23 blessings as though as the descendants
01:51:26 of Abraham
01:51:29 right
01:51:30 um
01:51:32 but in here it although the focus is the
01:51:35 Jews and the lamanites it does talk how
01:51:38 there’s the other tribes have their
01:51:40 records right but
01:51:44 also all nations of the world have
01:51:47 records that Yahweh caused to be written
01:51:50 right I think that’s one thing that a
01:51:53 lot of people don’t
01:51:55 tend to remember that’s in this chapter
01:51:57 It’s All Nations
01:52:00 that Yahweh cause things to do and so we
01:52:04 don’t necessarily
01:52:06 we don’t necessarily need exotic things
01:52:10 by which to bring about salvation
01:52:14 Emma 38 by small and simple things
01:52:18 bring back great things which those
01:52:20 small and simple things are yahweh’s
01:52:24 laws
01:52:27 those are the small and simple things
01:52:29 that
01:52:30 bring about great things for one
01:52:35 to live with him again
01:52:37 and become Kings
01:52:39 and Priests and queens and priestesses
01:52:42 on to him right
01:52:44 um but anyways
01:52:47 by doing his way
01:52:50 so is are there
01:52:54 you know that to me that to me second
01:52:58 Nephi 29 has actually become one of my
01:53:00 favorite chapters
01:53:04 they’re good yeah
01:53:07 because it talks about how everybody
01:53:11 how God’s talked to everyone
01:53:16 there is nobody who has not heard of his
01:53:18 voice
01:53:20 there is not anybody who has no clue
01:53:23 about his voice
01:53:25 well
01:53:26 and
01:53:27 on top of that
01:53:29 it’s in the Stars
01:53:32 but
01:53:33 in addition to being the Stars second
01:53:36 Nephi 29 brings out how Yahweh caused
01:53:39 all nations to write his
01:53:41 ways
01:53:44 and they’ll be justified
01:53:46 and what do we judge by by his laws that
01:53:49 is what a righteous judge judges by is
01:53:52 by his law
01:53:55 and so this is telling us for those who
01:53:58 have ears to ear here
01:54:01 that he caused them to write his law
01:54:06 that it might be a just standard by
01:54:09 which to judge
01:54:11 yeah
01:54:12 um
01:54:15 anyways
01:54:17 I’m not sure what else to add right now
01:54:19 to that hopefully that helps
01:54:22 no I I really appreciate that
01:54:24 um I think I learned something there
01:54:26 that was important
01:54:27 um
01:54:29 I was just looking over DNC 76 again
01:54:31 though to just kind of compare what
01:54:33 we’re reading to Messiah
01:54:35 sure uh I have notes because I’ve been
01:54:38 working on that one
01:54:39 um but
01:54:42 uh one that goes with that is 74 who
01:54:47 received not the testimony
01:54:50 of Yeshua in the flesh but afterwards
01:54:53 received it so this is that I think also
01:54:57 I think clarifies what we’re saying
01:54:59 already before and we can go look at was
01:55:01 it mosiah 24.
01:55:06 um
01:55:07 yeah and I mean there’s a few verses
01:55:09 there we could read really all right
01:55:11 like 71 through
01:55:16 uh 71 through 80 is about the Tea
01:55:19 lestrol Kingdom
01:55:21 um terrestrial
01:55:24 terrestrial sorry terrestrial
01:55:28 um
01:55:30 this these right here I have more notes
01:55:33 on those are the qualifications for
01:55:36 someone to go there
01:55:38 uh that’s why I have those ones up here
01:55:40 kind of
01:55:41 um
01:55:44 highlighted so you know and and this is
01:55:46 really interesting there is a level of
01:55:49 salvation for those who died for that
01:55:51 long
01:55:52 but we cannot
01:55:55 receive the great we cannot receive the
01:55:58 more law we receive and live by the more
01:56:00 Glory we perceive
01:56:02 these people are only terrestrial
01:56:06 I it so one thing it’s interesting so in
01:56:10 here
01:56:11 there’s only one Kingdom everywhere in
01:56:14 this section that the word kingdom is
01:56:16 it’s only singular there’s six of them
01:56:19 they’re all right here
01:56:22 um but it’s singular and then
01:56:26 it’s always their Glory that’s different
01:56:30 where the celestial ones are those who
01:56:33 have been have been sealed by the Holy
01:56:35 Spirit of promise
01:56:37 which the father sets forth upon those
01:56:40 who are just and true the father
01:56:44 sheds as in I I think it goes along with
01:56:47 what we’re talking about it’s the father
01:56:49 who tells them
01:56:52 you’re calling an election made sure
01:56:56 um your
01:56:57 your sanctification but anyways
01:57:00 um
01:57:02 there’s
01:57:04 so I have some quotes about the second
01:57:07 comforter here
01:57:10 um
01:57:16 beseech you to go for it make your so
01:57:18 this is Joseph Smith oh I beseech you go
01:57:22 forward
01:57:23 go forward and make your calling
01:57:24 election made sure this this is not some
01:57:28 passive thing this is an active thing
01:57:30 happening here and if any man preaches
01:57:33 you any other gospel in which I have
01:57:35 preached he is cursed and some of you
01:57:37 are now hearing me and see it and know
01:57:40 that I Testify the truth concerning it
01:57:42 so here’s a big focus on go and make
01:57:45 your calling election make sure
01:57:48 now and I think the mosiah
01:57:52 I think I have the wrong chapter
01:57:55 what chapter was it 15 oh 15. so I did
01:57:59 have the wrong chapter 15 24.
01:58:02 yeah yeah not 24 15. or yeah yeah and
01:58:07 um anyway not having salvation declared
01:58:10 unto them
01:58:12 the father didn’t tell them that they
01:58:14 were saved
01:58:17 that is how I read that right now
01:58:22 so it’s not about little children
01:58:25 well yeah that’s that’s that’s the
01:58:27 problem with 3D taking that one section
01:58:30 just out of by itself now that’s not
01:58:34 informed by verse 25
01:58:38 and verse 25 has it and now you’ve said
01:58:42 and now we’ve set up another
01:58:43 contradiction again
01:58:45 so I I so I I think this also applies to
01:58:49 adults here
01:58:52 okay
01:58:53 um but this is
01:58:56 I
01:58:59 this is where we’d have to maybe spend
01:59:01 more time on it
01:59:03 um
01:59:04 so but
01:59:06 yeah
01:59:08 exactly one way or the other I would say
01:59:10 little children haven’t had their
01:59:12 salvation declared onto them right for
01:59:14 sure go ahead Zach Zach
01:59:16 I’m curious what the
01:59:19 um
01:59:21 on the sidebar of your notes
01:59:24 it says I met Messiah
01:59:26 what is that I’m gonna see what’s there
01:59:28 oh yeah oh that’s a website that lists
01:59:32 supposed
01:59:34 meanings of the Messiah I remember that
01:59:36 website I can give you the link
01:59:41 I don’t know if it’s still up
01:59:44 but did you
01:59:45 I once I um
01:59:48 you know like
01:59:49 almost like two months ago I
01:59:52 provided you a link to
01:59:54 a video of a
01:59:56 Muslim guy that
01:59:59 that told the story that he that Yeshua
02:00:03 appeared to him
02:00:04 I kind of recall that I don’t remember
02:00:08 if I watched it or not
02:00:10 um is there a specific part of it that
02:00:11 you want to bring out
02:00:14 well the
02:00:16 he said that the first thing he did was
02:00:19 touch them on the forehead and he said
02:00:21 you are saved
02:00:23 and then he
02:00:25 he’d um
02:00:27 put his hand on his heart
02:00:30 he said Do You Belong To Me
02:00:37 well I I could see
02:00:40 um that the seal right yeah the forehead
02:00:44 and and Yahweh wants our heart
02:00:49 so
02:00:51 um the imagery I I
02:00:53 I’m okay with
02:00:56 um because we’re supposed to have our
02:00:58 his laws written Upon Our Hearts right
02:01:01 but anyways
02:01:06 I you know and I really still think that
02:01:09 not having salvation declared unto them
02:01:12 as
02:01:13 it’s actually still referring to the
02:01:15 gospel I that’s what
02:01:19 that’s what I think I I it’s a tricky
02:01:22 verse that’s for sure
02:01:25 because just because of what we’ve just
02:01:29 because of what we’ve gone over
02:01:31 um just now
02:01:33 sure there is there is nobody
02:01:38 who in no form there is no adult who in
02:01:41 no form can say that they have no clue
02:01:45 about yahweh’s place because of all the
02:01:48 things that we have been that we put
02:01:50 that we’ve put forward here and that
02:01:53 we’ve studied here
02:01:55 um
02:01:57 I I believe the 24 and 25 go together
02:02:00 and inform one another
02:02:02 uh incomplete incompleteness
02:02:05 and in
02:02:07 um
02:02:09 uh
02:02:10 this is this and this is my belief and
02:02:13 everybody’s free to believe what they
02:02:15 will
02:02:17 um but uh
02:02:22 because just because of what we’ve gone
02:02:24 over and the fact that God works that
02:02:27 God that God has obviously not that we
02:02:30 obviously don’t have all of the
02:02:33 recordings of God’s dealings man
02:02:36 and he does speak to All Nations
02:02:39 kindreds tongues and people
02:02:43 inviting them
02:02:46 to come onto him
02:02:48 at least he does if we believe in the
02:02:50 Book of Mormon
02:02:53 um
02:02:54 that there is
02:02:58 um that there is and there has been no
02:03:02 people
02:03:04 to which salvation
02:03:07 to which the gospel of Salvation has not
02:03:10 been declared in some form or fashion
02:03:14 though it may have been corrupted over
02:03:16 time
02:03:17 right and I think and to add to that is
02:03:21 we
02:03:22 should use the clear verses to help us
02:03:26 understand the unclear verses versus the
02:03:30 other way around
02:03:31 because I think a lot of people want to
02:03:33 take the unclear ones and use that to
02:03:36 make the clear ones unclear or
02:03:38 questionable
02:03:40 we should take the clear ones over the
02:03:43 unclear ones to help us understand the
02:03:46 unclear ones
02:03:47 hopefully that came out right
02:03:50 and this is what and this is why this is
02:03:53 why the spirit tells me
02:03:56 the 25 is telling you what 24 means
02:04:02 so then my question about that would be
02:04:05 back in Doctrine Covenant 76
02:04:10 um versus
02:04:12 starting with 72.
02:04:16 mm-hmm
02:04:18 says behold these are they who died
02:04:21 without law
02:04:23 and also they who are the spirits of men
02:04:26 kept in prison
02:04:28 whom the son visited and preached the
02:04:31 gospel unto them that they might be
02:04:32 judged according to men in the flesh
02:04:36 you will receive not the testimony of
02:04:39 Jesus in the flesh but afterwards
02:04:42 received it these are they who are
02:04:44 Honorable Men of the earth were blinded
02:04:49 by the craftiness of men so a big part
02:04:52 on that I I believe is that without what
02:04:56 is
02:04:57 um an effect
02:04:58 in here I in my notes I have without two
02:05:03 in a glyph to better understood as not
02:05:06 within and we can go look with in fact
02:05:09 let’s go get the dictionary up
02:05:12 and let’s look at what without means
02:05:16 uh because I think a lot of people take
02:05:18 that to me it wasn’t taught to them
02:05:21 and I don’t believe that’s what it’s
02:05:23 actually saying
02:05:25 um I think it’s saying something else
02:05:27 and I think looking at actual
02:05:29 definitions help us the thing is is you
02:05:32 can see it both ways for actually
02:05:34 looking at the definitions
02:05:37 you know I can see that with the
02:05:40 definition of the word but given the
02:05:42 context of the other verse that we just
02:05:43 read about you know you have to take
02:05:46 into account ignorance things not being
02:05:49 declared unto them and also not receive
02:05:53 the testimony of Jesus but afterwards
02:05:56 received it
02:05:57 that this is talking about I think
02:06:00 communicating the law to them
02:06:03 uh I would disagree and specifically
02:06:07 because of some clear verses that we
02:06:09 read from the book of Mormon earlier uh
02:06:11 it states that everybody was taught the
02:06:13 law in their own language in in tongue
02:06:17 um
02:06:18 judged a friend so and then but then
02:06:21 verse 73 it’s also very
02:06:24 um you know
02:06:25 interesting
02:06:26 well the spirits of men kept in prison
02:06:28 those are the that’s actually defined
02:06:32 for us in Scripture
02:06:36 it’s not all men
02:06:41 the spirits have been kept in prison or
02:06:43 the or the people who died at the time
02:06:45 of Noah
02:06:47 that’s actually just that’s actually
02:06:49 given to us in scripture yeah I know
02:06:51 that for or I’m aware of it I mean yeah
02:06:54 so
02:06:59 um those who face
02:07:01 the world was so wicked at that point
02:07:09 the world was so wicked at that point
02:07:11 that
02:07:13 everybody was calling black white and
02:07:15 white why
02:07:18 evil not a good one because no one has
02:07:21 family well well of course but I’m I’m
02:07:24 talking about when I say everyone I’m
02:07:26 talking about just you know okay eight
02:07:29 out of how many sure sure
02:07:33 I think you met everybody but the eight
02:07:36 um yeah yeah it’s eight out of how many
02:07:39 so
02:07:40 um so
02:07:43 this was a situation where evil is good
02:07:47 good is evil
02:07:49 um
02:07:50 but at the same time that’s what happens
02:07:53 with the flds the good
02:07:56 was taught as evil and evil was taught
02:07:58 as good
02:07:59 and and they
02:08:01 knew
02:08:03 yeah because they still do
02:08:06 but I I would wonder if
02:08:09 it’s something more along they didn’t
02:08:11 have the courage and they were deceived
02:08:13 by the craftiness of men which is
02:08:16 actually
02:08:17 um mentioned which is actually something
02:08:19 else blinded by the crap against men
02:08:21 which is another mention in verse 75.
02:08:28 although Yahweh told them the truth they
02:08:31 let themselves get deceived by the
02:08:33 craftiness of men which I see happening
02:08:36 a lot today
02:08:38 all right
02:08:39 um but still the whole thing of died
02:08:43 without law is basically that’s not
02:08:46 saying that they didn’t have the Law of
02:08:47 Peace right and that’s where I think
02:08:50 it’d be good to go look at the actual
02:08:52 dictionary definitions where I think a
02:08:55 lot of people want to mean make that
02:08:56 mean it wasn’t preached to them
02:08:58 I
02:09:00 I don’t believe that’s the case
02:09:07 not with so that could be you know not
02:09:10 keeping it
02:09:11 uh absence weren’t keeping it
02:09:15 this this is like destitution or absence
02:09:19 destitution Arabs is from uh it’s not
02:09:23 keeping it Beyond you think you’re
02:09:25 better than it you’re not within it
02:09:27 you’re not keeping it
02:09:30 a mission of your
02:09:32 um you’re leaving stuff out yeah you’re
02:09:35 leaving so you’re not keeping it
02:09:37 independent of oh that reminds me of a
02:09:40 dnc88
02:09:42 oh yeah those would be a line to
02:09:43 themselves yeah
02:09:46 uh outside of it you’re outside the law
02:09:48 you’re outside the gate without the
02:09:51 doors
02:09:52 which those the gate and the door really
02:09:55 references to Yeshua right
02:09:58 with exemption from meaning you’re not
02:10:02 keeping it
02:10:04 um except unless I I don’t know how that
02:10:07 would really apply in this case but
02:10:10 um
02:10:12 not on the inside not within Out of
02:10:15 Doors
02:10:16 external inside the law meaning you’re
02:10:19 not keeping not in oh how about this one
02:10:21 not in the mind
02:10:24 oh that one yeah and the law is the mind
02:10:28 of God
02:10:29 right
02:10:31 yep lectures on five lectures on
02:10:33 Facebook which is on faith five two
02:10:36 yeah
02:10:38 um external outside the law not in the
02:10:41 mind
02:10:43 um anyways for me most of the
02:10:46 definitions without would show that
02:10:48 they’re not keeping the law
02:10:52 not that they weren’t given it or
02:10:54 preached it but they decided not to keep
02:10:57 it which actually wouldn’t that be the
02:11:00 ones that were willfully rebelling
02:11:01 though that are listed separately later
02:11:05 um so
02:11:07 the terrestrial ones are ones that are
02:11:10 and we can go look at the parable of the
02:11:11 sower but those are the ones that
02:11:14 liked it but then they let the Thorns of
02:11:17 the world or the cares of the world keep
02:11:20 them from doing what they knew was right
02:11:22 because so it’s not so much a matter of
02:11:25 willful
02:11:26 it’s some it’s a matter of they loved
02:11:30 man more than God it’s more of not being
02:11:33 diligent than he intended to but they
02:11:36 weren’t being diligent
02:11:39 um because we go look at
02:11:42 uh it’s gonna be the threes and some
02:11:46 fell among the thorns and the Thorns
02:11:47 sprung up and choked them this is the
02:11:50 same category
02:11:53 um
02:11:55 among the thorns and he that heareth the
02:11:59 word
02:12:00 and the care of the world and the
02:12:02 deceitfulness uh you know being blind
02:12:06 craftiness of the riches because that’s
02:12:08 what the world wants is money right
02:12:10 choked the word and he became unfruitful
02:12:15 so he didn’t keep it which is what’s
02:12:17 being described up here which is also in
02:12:21 keeping with Honorable Men of the Earth
02:12:27 who were blinded by the craftiness
02:12:29 cement because there’s a lot of good
02:12:31 people trying to do good things and go
02:12:33 get riches because they don’t know any
02:12:35 better
02:12:37 but they’re doing it they’re trying to
02:12:39 do it in an honorable way right
02:12:41 but
02:12:42 they’re still blinded by the craftiness
02:12:44 men because they’re focusing on Mammon
02:12:46 instead of Elohim and also in verse 79
02:12:49 and also in verse 79 these are they who
02:12:53 were not Valiant in the testimony of
02:12:56 Jesus
02:12:59 yeah wherefore they obtain not the crap
02:13:02 over the kingdom of our God
02:13:07 so
02:13:09 it’s not that they’re without law
02:13:13 I guess if they weren’t preached it they
02:13:15 weren’t keeping it
02:13:17 they but it’s also not necessarily just
02:13:21 a willful Rebellion it’s more of a
02:13:24 well
02:13:26 they weren’t dedicated I can do this but
02:13:29 I
02:13:30 yeah they weren’t yeah they kind of they
02:13:33 kind of backed out
02:13:35 yeah they they got sidetracked
02:13:38 they and they ended up outside of the
02:13:41 Mind
02:13:43 which is outside what about verse 74
02:13:45 where it says but afterwards they
02:13:48 received it yeah uh even the Devils know
02:13:52 the Messiah who he is well they received
02:13:56 not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh
02:13:57 but afterwards received it that that
02:14:00 goes into what is the testimony of Jesus
02:14:04 I think another word for Testimony is
02:14:07 Witness
02:14:08 yeah it’s uh yeah it’s the it’s
02:14:13 the testimony of Jesus
02:14:17 is the testimony
02:14:20 one thing that I one thing that I
02:14:24 believe
02:14:24 the testimony is knowing
02:14:27 is that yes the knowledge of Jesus
02:14:30 and the devil’s knew
02:14:33 but they did not obey
02:14:35 and it’s because they didn’t obey here
02:14:37 in this life that they got sidetracked
02:14:41 that they didn’t know now but now
02:14:43 they’re in heaven where everybody knows
02:14:45 even the Devils know even those the son
02:14:48 of perditions no
02:14:52 that God is God there is no questioning
02:14:55 it at this point
02:14:59 there is no questioning of it at this
02:15:01 point
02:15:05 so this is so those who receive not the
02:15:08 testimony of Jesus it’s not necessarily
02:15:11 that they weren’t preached Jesus
02:15:14 it’s that they
02:15:16 they didn’t do it was necessary you say
02:15:19 yeah
02:15:20 so you see what we have here is a whole
02:15:22 list of things that put people in this
02:15:25 category so you have some people who
02:15:28 were without law they did not remain
02:15:32 they did not they were not diligent in
02:15:34 keeping the law
02:15:36 uh they did not repent of their sins
02:15:39 they feared they did not work out their
02:15:42 salvation with fear and trembling before
02:15:44 God they feared a man more than God
02:15:47 um okay and then there were then there
02:15:50 are those who also those who died
02:15:53 those who those that who at the time of
02:15:57 who at the time of Noah were
02:15:59 thrown into who when they died in the
02:16:02 flood were thrown into prison the sun
02:16:04 visited them and at that point they
02:16:06 could not deny that at that point they
02:16:09 could not deny and they received the
02:16:11 gospel and they received the gospel
02:16:14 they’ll be judged and they and that in
02:16:17 their terrestrial
02:16:18 who received not the testimony of Jesus
02:16:21 in the flesh they did not receive they
02:16:24 they were not they were not
02:16:26 um they did not zealously strived to
02:16:29 receive the testimony of Jesus but I I
02:16:32 think though one thing I right off I
02:16:34 don’t know why they’re being being
02:16:36 talked about specifically but
02:16:40 um I do think it’s
02:16:41 they did still try to be honorable even
02:16:44 though in the world that they lived in
02:16:47 was very very Wicked
02:16:49 right and then
02:16:52 they didn’t yeah they weren’t diligent
02:16:55 they they would then they would
02:16:58 sometimes do some things just to get
02:17:00 ahead so these are they who are
02:17:03 Honorable Men of the earth were blinded
02:17:05 by the craftiness of men
02:17:07 these are they receive of his glory but
02:17:09 not of his fullness
02:17:11 okay now that now that’s getting into
02:17:14 now that’s getting into something now
02:17:17 that’s getting interested the fullness
02:17:19 are only those who go to the celestial
02:17:21 or you’ll receive this report receive
02:17:24 this Celestial Glory I need to yes my
02:17:26 wording from my brainwashing from before
02:17:28 A little bit sorry about that these are
02:17:32 they who receive the presence of the Sun
02:17:33 but not the fullness of the father
02:17:37 so you see that there’s actually a range
02:17:41 of people
02:17:43 and we’re actually going up
02:17:45 in terms of
02:17:47 a certain level of in terms of their in
02:17:51 terms of a certain level of
02:17:52 righteousness
02:17:54 there you go a certain level of
02:17:57 obedience
02:17:58 and so what we’re having here
02:18:01 and then finally he said wherefore they
02:18:04 are bodies terrestrial and not body
02:18:06 Celestial different Warriors the moon
02:18:07 differs from the Sun these are they who
02:18:09 were not and then to sum it up
02:18:13 these are they who were not Valiant in
02:18:15 the testimony of Jesus
02:18:17 yeah
02:18:20 so some were good people but didn’t have
02:18:24 a testimony where some had to tell so
02:18:25 yeah so this is
02:18:30 endure to the end
02:18:32 so these so basically the you know and
02:18:36 so yeah so this it gives you a whole
02:18:39 range of people all the way up to
02:18:43 received of his glory but not of his
02:18:44 fullness oh they managed to get into the
02:18:47 presence of the Sun but they didn’t
02:18:48 receive of the fullness of the father
02:18:52 right which I mean I don’t want to say
02:18:54 based on this too much but those who
02:18:56 receive the fullness of the father or
02:18:57 the church at the firstborn which is the
02:19:00 Sun but but the father in the sun’s the
02:19:03 same person but anyways but yeah so but
02:19:06 but that but that’s it’s like
02:19:12 it’s all these people from people who
02:19:16 half-heartedly kept the law
02:19:19 all the way up
02:19:22 to they just weren’t quite
02:19:26 they they just didn’t they just weren’t
02:19:29 quite
02:19:30 Valiant enough to press through correct
02:19:36 um I just I don’t understand how that
02:19:38 fits with the Book of Mormon that seems
02:19:40 like it teaches
02:19:41 where I think
02:19:44 I I think it’s teaching the same thing
02:19:46 even in this verse that you’re saying
02:19:49 mosiah 15 24
02:19:51 I I I I don’t see a contradiction myself
02:19:55 um but one thing I do want to add I and
02:19:57 maybe this might help
02:19:59 um
02:20:02 there we go okay so this is a second
02:20:05 Nephi two and this is Lehigh talking to
02:20:10 one of his sons is this one jacob jacob
02:20:13 Jacob yeah this is Jacob
02:20:15 but
02:20:17 and the days of the children of men were
02:20:19 prolonged
02:20:21 meaning
02:20:23 God made sure everybody had a long
02:20:27 enough life
02:20:29 according to the will of Elohim that
02:20:31 they might repent while in the flesh so
02:20:34 everybody in their life even during
02:20:36 Noah’s time had a long enough
02:20:39 physical life
02:20:41 to repent
02:20:43 to know what the law is
02:20:46 and repent because repentance returning
02:20:49 the law and how can you repent if you
02:20:50 don’t know law right but anyways
02:20:52 wherefore their state became a
02:20:55 probationary and their time was
02:20:57 lengthened
02:21:00 made longer according to the
02:21:02 Commandments with Yahweh Elohim gave
02:21:05 unto the children of men for he gave
02:21:07 Commandments unto all men
02:21:10 but wait a minute
02:21:11 he gave Commandments unto all men not
02:21:14 just the Israelites must repent
02:21:18 for he showeth unto all men that they
02:21:21 were lost
02:21:22 because of the transgression of their
02:21:25 first parents oh wait a minute not just
02:21:27 some men all men
02:21:29 I need to add this to my all section but
02:21:33 anyways I think you get the point the
02:21:35 big thing that I wanted to bring out
02:21:36 here in this verse was that he Yahweh
02:21:39 makes your people live long enough
02:21:42 that they will know the law and be able
02:21:45 to repent
02:22:00 now that space will be slightly
02:22:01 different and there’s the one exception
02:22:03 of little children
02:22:04 but adults
02:22:08 and children
02:22:10 are not little children
02:22:16 so
02:22:19 Galloway prolongs our life
02:22:21 the point that we need to repent
02:22:24 or enough time that we we have the time
02:22:26 that we need to repent
02:22:28 um
02:22:29 so
02:22:32 anyways
02:22:34 hopefully that helps a little bit
02:22:36 okay yep
02:22:41 okay so maybe we should go back
02:22:44 um
02:22:46 let’s see
02:22:47 if
02:22:49 I I think we did everything on version
02:22:52 we got through verse 5. then we got into
02:22:55 first five I thought I don’t think we’d
02:22:58 LDS brighamite baptisms for the day I
02:23:02 think we read it um and again I give on
02:23:04 to you a word in relation to baptisms
02:23:07 for the dead okay I could have sworn we
02:23:10 read that I heard that right oh okay
02:23:13 Matt read it we did a long side track
02:23:16 yeah you did okay
02:23:19 um and I think we’ve spent enough time
02:23:21 on that
02:23:23 um
02:23:24 so I I’m gonna read verse six
02:23:28 barely thus saith and this is a supposed
02:23:31 the saith Yahweh
02:23:34 unto you concerning your dead
02:23:37 so people have died right when any of
02:23:41 you are baptized for your dead so this
02:23:44 is obviously not as in what’s in First
02:23:49 Corinthians 15 or first Peter something
02:23:52 four something
02:23:55 um because this language here is
02:23:57 vicariously for someone else where the
02:24:00 actual vicarious language is not in
02:24:02 those other verses it’s just people
02:24:04 imply that
02:24:06 because of what they’re thinking right
02:24:09 the verse six actually says
02:24:14 when any of you are baptized for your
02:24:17 dead meaning you’re doing it for
02:24:18 somebody else right this is proxy work
02:24:21 let there be a recorder and let him be
02:24:24 eyewitness of your baptism and let him
02:24:27 hear with his ears that he may testify
02:24:30 of a truth saith Yahweh
02:24:33 um well first of all as we’ve gone over
02:24:36 before
02:24:38 baptism
02:24:39 vicarious baptisms for the Dead
02:24:42 is not in the New Testament and the Book
02:24:46 of Mormon teaches against and we can do
02:24:48 more verses of that but I
02:24:51 we’ve sidetracked a lot already okay
02:24:54 um and I think I’ve already mentioned
02:24:55 how in Hebrew thoughts and just
02:24:57 scriptural thought when we sin we die
02:25:01 we’re dead because
02:25:04 the wages of sin is death in fact to
02:25:06 some point where if in the Hebrew
02:25:10 culture and I don’t this is probably
02:25:12 wrong but in the Hebrew culture if you
02:25:17 do serious sins
02:25:19 your mother and father will consider you
02:25:22 as dead
02:25:24 physically
02:25:27 they won’t talk to you
02:25:29 because you’ve sinned so grossly
02:25:33 they just won’t do anything with you
02:25:36 um
02:25:37 now that’s probably wrong
02:25:40 um but that is what the culture will do
02:25:43 based off of the idea that when you sin
02:25:46 you are dead because that’s the wages
02:25:51 um seven
02:25:54 you want to read a little bit Kesley
02:26:00 here
02:26:08 uh sorry zooming in
02:26:12 um
02:26:14 contradicts what the ceiling power is
02:26:17 I was really thinking verse seven
02:26:21 for some reason I’m not seeing that it’s
02:26:23 almost oh oh there we go okay
02:26:27 I was confused okay
02:26:30 that in all your recordings it may be
02:26:32 recorded in heaven whatsoever you bind
02:26:35 on Earth maybe Bound in heaven
02:26:37 whatsoever you loose on Earth maybe
02:26:39 loosed in heaven
02:26:41 so
02:26:43 um so the recordings are not the ceiling
02:26:45 power
02:26:47 um the ceiling power is actually pretty
02:26:49 well detailed in uh
02:26:52 I believe it is
02:26:54 Helaman chapter 10. uh element chapter
02:26:57 10 please
02:26:59 as it’s given to Nephi yeah in fact I
02:27:02 have a post on that let’s find it
02:27:07 not that
02:27:10 but but you have something from the DNC
02:27:13 that’s pretty cool yeah it’s Teensy too
02:27:18 um so
02:27:26 let’s start
02:27:28 we can start in verse four I I don’t
02:27:31 know if we want to read all of this
02:27:33 um but
02:27:35 so okay the I’m happy to but I so yeah
02:27:40 you’re right I don’t think we need to I
02:27:42 don’t think we need but the let’s let’s
02:27:45 just start with this example that um
02:27:48 Ben brings up yep
02:27:51 behold dark neutral go ahead
02:27:54 behold Thou Art Nephi and I am God
02:27:57 behold I declare it unto thee in the
02:27:59 presence of mine angels that he shall
02:28:00 have power over this people and shall
02:28:01 Smite the Earth with famine and with
02:28:03 pestilence and destruction according to
02:28:05 the weakness of his people behold I give
02:28:07 unto you power that whatsoever ye shall
02:28:09 seal on Earth shall be sealed in heaven
02:28:11 and whatsoever ye shall loose on Earth
02:28:13 shall be loosed in heaven and thus he
02:28:14 shall have power among this people and
02:28:16 thus if you say unto this Temple it
02:28:18 shall be rent and Twain it shall be done
02:28:19 and it shall say unto this mountain be
02:28:21 thou cast down and become smooth it
02:28:23 shall be done behold if he shall say
02:28:25 that God shall Smite this people it
02:28:27 shall come to pass and now behold I
02:28:28 command you you shall go forth and
02:28:30 declare unto this people and thus saith
02:28:32 the Lord that thus saith the Lord who is
02:28:34 the almighty except you repent he shall
02:28:36 be smitten even unto the destruction
02:28:37 okay so one thing that’s interesting
02:28:41 in here it was never stated
02:28:44 if you write a name I will make sure
02:28:47 they go to heaven
02:28:50 this healing power is Sealing
02:28:56 a curse
02:28:58 that was already decreed in heaven AKA
02:29:01 in the law Torah that should be decreed
02:29:05 mm-hmm and as we see here with Nephi
02:29:10 that’s what actually happened and
02:29:11 probably that’s what this one is and so
02:29:14 I’ll read that one or actually Zach you
02:29:16 want to read this one
02:29:17 yep
02:29:22 well Lord do not suffer that people
02:29:24 shall be destroyed by the sword
02:29:27 but oh Lord look rather let there be a
02:29:31 famine
02:29:32 in the land to stir them up in
02:29:34 remembrance of the Lord their God
02:29:36 and perhaps they would repent and turn
02:29:38 to the
02:29:40 and so it was done according to the
02:29:42 words of the Nephi
02:29:44 and there was a Great Famine in the land
02:29:46 on all the people
02:29:48 of Nephi
02:29:50 and that’s in the 70th 70 and fourth
02:29:52 year
02:29:53 and the famine to continue
02:29:55 and the work of Destruction deceased by
02:29:58 the sword
02:29:59 it became soared by famine
02:30:02 in this in this work of Destruction that
02:30:05 also continue in the 70 and fifth year
02:30:08 or the
02:30:10 where the Earth was smitten that it was
02:30:11 dry
02:30:13 did not heal the fourth grain in the
02:30:15 season of grain
02:30:17 in our whole earth was submitted even
02:30:20 among the lamanites as well as the
02:30:22 monthly fights
02:30:23 so that they were smitten
02:30:26 that they did perish by thousands in the
02:30:29 war Wicked parts of the land
02:30:31 so Nephi
02:30:34 caused
02:30:36 what heaven
02:30:39 had already decreed in fact up here
02:30:42 in verse 6 and smite the Earth with the
02:30:45 famine and pestilence
02:30:49 and when we actually let’s see
02:30:57 um
02:30:58 so when we go look at the Hebrew or
02:31:01 Greek of Matthew 16 9 this is before I
02:31:04 knew there was a um
02:31:07 a Hebrew version of it but anyways let’s
02:31:10 go look at the Greek
02:31:12 um
02:31:13 so the Greek of
02:31:15 Matthew 16 18 19. I’ll read the
02:31:18 commentary on this verse 19 the gramical
02:31:22 Construction in the Greek manuscripts is
02:31:25 very important to understand the meaning
02:31:27 of this instruction shall ye shall be
02:31:30 having been bound
02:31:33 and shall have shall be having been
02:31:36 loosed is very awkward English but
02:31:40 accurately renders the
02:31:43 I don’t know
02:31:45 peripherastic
02:31:47 yes that word very fast future perfect
02:31:50 tense it essentially means when is when
02:31:54 this judgment is bound it has already
02:31:57 have been bound in heaven or it is just
02:32:01 what I was saying
02:32:03 um Heaven had already decreed it right
02:32:07 and when the judgment is loose released
02:32:11 it shall already have been released in
02:32:14 heaven
02:32:15 what the Messiah has actually
02:32:18 saying was the Judgment which you render
02:32:21 shall have already been rendered why
02:32:24 because
02:32:25 the law of the Messiah Reign is the law
02:32:28 of Moses now this is where Bob Moses is
02:32:31 a little different I disagree with 119
02:32:33 that uh Torah and law of Moses are
02:32:35 different
02:32:37 any loosing or binding must be done in
02:32:39 accordance with what has already been
02:32:42 decided by Elohim written in the Torah
02:32:46 thus when the Elder decided to bind in
02:32:51 accordance to the dictates of the
02:32:52 judgments of the Torah Heaven had
02:32:55 already
02:32:56 indeed already decided the case and has
02:32:59 been bound
02:33:01 um an example of this in Acts
02:33:05 is when Peter
02:33:09 sealed
02:33:11 the punishment for lying upon a husband
02:33:15 and wife and acts
02:33:18 it’s not X2 is it it’s in that area
02:33:21 though
02:33:25 uh I think it’s acts five is that what
02:33:28 it is
02:33:33 the ananias era yeah yeah so it’s five
02:33:38 so they it’s not that they held money
02:33:40 back that’s not the problem the problem
02:33:43 is that they lied
02:33:44 and so I forget what verse where Peter
02:33:51 pronounced on I think it was first the
02:33:54 husband and then the wife
02:33:57 okay it was it’s uh it starts right at
02:34:01 the very beginning
02:34:02 the certain men in the abandon is with
02:34:04 theorists by episode of possession and
02:34:06 kept back part of the price his wife
02:34:08 also being pretty to it and brought a
02:34:11 certain part and later that the apostles
02:34:12 feet so real quick it was she went along
02:34:16 with the LIE
02:34:18 yeah which goes along with other verses
02:34:20 in Revelation other places that those
02:34:23 who you know love a lie or go along with
02:34:25 the LIE believeth the LIE get the same
02:34:28 punishment as the liar right and she
02:34:31 does get the same punishment
02:34:32 but Peter said ananias well that’s Satan
02:34:36 filled thine heart to lie to the Holy
02:34:38 Ghost
02:34:40 and to keep back part of the price of
02:34:42 the land
02:34:45 Wells that remain where is lie yep well
02:34:49 as it remained was it not thy known and
02:34:51 after it was sold was it not thy known
02:34:52 power
02:34:53 as well has now conceived this thing in
02:34:56 my heart thou has not lied lied again
02:34:59 unto men but unto God and ananias
02:35:02 hearing these words fell down and gave
02:35:04 up the ghost great fear Came Upon all
02:35:06 them the purpose
02:35:11 uh as we know the Book of Mormon and
02:35:15 Torah and the Tanakh and this example
02:35:19 here so the New Testament
02:35:21 uh lying is a big deal
02:35:25 lion is a capital offense yeah
02:35:28 especially
02:35:31 especially in especially in a court
02:35:34 especially in court
02:35:36 according to the law
02:35:43 anyways okay I was just gonna look at
02:35:44 something but I’m sidetracking so I’m
02:35:46 not going to do that
02:35:48 um
02:35:48 so here is Peter
02:35:52 pronouncing a punishment that heaven had
02:35:54 already decreed
02:35:57 um for example in the Book of Mormon
02:35:58 talks about how Liars are thrust down to
02:36:01 Hell
02:36:02 um
02:36:04 let’s see
02:36:11 thrust down to Hell it sounds like what
02:36:13 happened to them right but let’s see if
02:36:16 I have
02:36:18 that’s right
02:36:19 yes that doesn’t show the punishment
02:36:24 um I’m trying to find the one that shows
02:36:25 the lines of capital punishment
02:36:28 um
02:36:31 which was lost in line is concerning
02:36:34 foreign
02:36:41 yeah that’s um
02:36:54 yeah I I’m not funny real quick and
02:36:57 we’re getting too sidetracked and we’ve
02:36:59 done that a lot yeah we’re sidetracking
02:37:01 on Side Tracks yeah lying is a capital
02:37:04 punishment
02:37:06 um
02:37:06 it’s
02:37:08 not that I I mind doing this but we’re
02:37:11 I don’t think we’re gonna be able to
02:37:13 finish today but I would at least like
02:37:14 to hopefully finish this section
02:37:19 um
02:37:22 but yeah seven seven finishes seven
02:37:26 contradicts but the ceiling power is
02:37:28 let’s go to verse eight
02:37:30 um oh actually let me make sure one last
02:37:34 thing
02:37:36 there’s Helen 10.
02:37:41 Doctrine Covenants 80.
02:37:44 yeah that’s it
02:37:49 I reveal unto you the priesthood
02:37:53 yeah
02:37:55 that’s not it
02:38:08 okay I’m not seeing it so we’re done
02:38:11 um
02:38:12 Okay so
02:38:14 that’s the ceiling power is that they
02:38:18 are pronouncing the curse that heaven
02:38:20 had already decreed
02:38:22 as we saw with those two examples there
02:38:25 right one from The Book of Mormon and
02:38:27 one from the New Testament and we looked
02:38:29 at the actual Greek grammar
02:38:32 uh in that post
02:38:34 um so it’s really the power to speak the
02:38:37 curse from heaven or to speak the
02:38:39 blessing from Heaven as it were yeah
02:38:41 yeah
02:38:43 um
02:38:45 but the blessings here down on on Earth
02:38:48 anyways
02:38:50 um Monica would you
02:38:53 like to read verse 8 after I get it up
02:38:57 I think sure okay here it is
02:39:04 sorry it’s a little hard to scroll over
02:39:05 on my phone I’m almost there okay fine
02:39:08 okay verse eight
02:39:11 where I’m about to restore many things
02:39:13 to the Earth pertaining to the
02:39:15 priesthood say at the Lord of hosts
02:39:19 okay so in here this whole section
02:39:24 um and this is still part of it let’s
02:39:26 say Yahweh right is dealing with
02:39:30 baptisms for the dead which we’ve
02:39:31 already gone over
02:39:33 um and
02:39:34 it’s not restoring
02:39:36 it’s actually
02:39:38 a new
02:39:40 perversion well actually it’s an old
02:39:41 perversion because actually the Catholic
02:39:43 Church
02:39:45 I used to do this it’s just a lot of
02:39:47 people don’t know that and I actually
02:39:50 believe Brigham Young got it from a
02:39:52 Jesuit priest and started pushing this
02:39:53 but that’s another I don’t have this
02:39:56 proof on that specific point I do have
02:39:59 proof that he met with Jesuit priests
02:40:03 um but there are historical things how
02:40:07 um Catholics did baptize for the Dead
02:40:10 but as we can see it’s not in the New
02:40:12 Testament
02:40:14 um
02:40:15 because the New Testament it’s just
02:40:17 baptized baptisms of those who have
02:40:20 sinned
02:40:23 um
02:40:24 does anybody else want to say anything
02:40:28 I’m good okay so verse 9 I’m going to
02:40:31 read and again let all the records
02:40:35 be had in order that they may be put in
02:40:39 the archives of my Holy Temple
02:40:42 remembrance from generation to
02:40:44 Generations safe yeah well you’re close
02:40:47 so there’s multiple problems with this
02:40:49 one first of all
02:40:50 the word Temple that we’ve talked about
02:40:52 in the past okay now the other one is
02:40:56 Remembrance from generation to
02:40:57 generation so it’s anybody who knows
02:41:01 anything about printing
02:41:03 and paper and ink
02:41:07 uh paper wasn’t a common thing in the
02:41:10 old days
02:41:12 um
02:41:13 so people weren’t always writing things
02:41:17 down
02:41:19 um
02:41:19 which is what people were claiming that
02:41:23 for Joseph Smith to have been practicing
02:41:25 polygamy would have to be written down
02:41:28 which I disagree with
02:41:31 um
02:41:32 but also here remembered from generation
02:41:35 to generation so where’s those records
02:41:39 out of curiosity
02:41:42 um because if this is a restoration
02:41:45 we’re doing things back when how Adam
02:41:47 did it right because that’s a
02:41:49 restoration
02:41:51 where’s the records from atoms that we
02:41:53 can look at to know from generation to
02:41:55 generation
02:41:56 yeah I mean this would have had to have
02:41:59 been in place with Adam with the Hebrews
02:42:02 with Jesus
02:42:04 it would have there would have to be a
02:42:06 common string of Records
02:42:08 for the present time yeah and in in the
02:42:12 in the Box in the ground that
02:42:16 um Joseph Smith got these plates from
02:42:17 there wasn’t another plate word worth
02:42:19 that listed all the names of people who
02:42:22 were baptized
02:42:24 oh yeah
02:42:27 uh Temple work which I don’t believe in
02:42:31 um
02:42:32 yeah I mean this this once again goes
02:42:36 back to the idea of what is respiration
02:42:39 yeah
02:42:40 what is restoration restoration is when
02:42:44 you take something that has fallen into
02:42:47 disrepair through
02:42:50 bad use
02:42:52 or or uh neglect
02:42:56 and you take it and you restore it to
02:42:59 its former appearance
02:43:02 and functionality
02:43:08 that is what a restoration is if I if I
02:43:12 have an old table
02:43:15 that I’m restoring
02:43:17 I’m not making a new table
02:43:20 I’m not necessarily adding another Leaf
02:43:23 to the table
02:43:25 I’m restoring the table as it is to its
02:43:29 original
02:43:32 um Beauty
02:43:34 and function
02:43:37 correct
02:43:40 um and so but
02:43:42 it’s a restoration bringing things back
02:43:45 out was before now since we don’t have
02:43:47 these records from generation to
02:43:50 generation does that mean it’s what was
02:43:52 done before was null and void now
02:43:54 because we don’t have them to remember
02:43:57 because they’re to be held in
02:43:59 remembrance from generation to
02:44:00 generation which that’s includes this
02:44:03 generation right
02:44:06 so does that mean they’re not valid
02:44:07 since we don’t have them to remember
02:44:14 I it’s something to think about
02:44:17 um
02:44:18 verse 10 Kesley are you willing to read
02:44:20 it
02:44:23 yeah
02:44:24 let me see here okay
02:44:29 sorry part on my phone so little okay I
02:44:33 will say to all the saints that I
02:44:35 desired with exceedingly great desire to
02:44:37 have addressed them from the stand on
02:44:41 the subject of baptism for the dead on
02:44:43 the following Sabbath but inasmuch as it
02:44:46 is out of my power to do so I will write
02:44:50 the word of the Lord from time to time
02:44:52 on that subject and send it to you by
02:44:56 mail as well as many other things
02:44:59 so first thing
02:45:02 um I
02:45:04 I know this is
02:45:06 uh Seminary memorizing scripture but
02:45:10 first link by 3 7 it’s a big deal
02:45:14 if it was this is such an important
02:45:18 thing that Joseph Smith had and needed
02:45:21 to go subject and teach the people
02:45:25 um why didn’t Yahweh make a way for that
02:45:29 to happen
02:45:31 for the Yahweh will provide a way let’s
02:45:34 go look at that verse right it’s it’s an
02:45:37 important one for lots of things
02:45:40 uh for if nothing else just to give us
02:45:43 courage
02:45:44 for us to keep the law because he will
02:45:46 provide a way but and it came to pass
02:45:49 that I Nephi said unto my father I will
02:45:51 go and do the things which Yahweh hath
02:45:53 commanded for I know
02:45:55 that Yahweh giveth no Commandments under
02:45:59 the children and save he shall prepare a
02:46:01 way for them that they may accomplish a
02:46:04 thing which he hath commanded them
02:46:06 so if Joseph Smith was supposed to go
02:46:10 teach people
02:46:12 on that Sabbath right
02:46:14 Yahweh would have prepared away
02:46:17 in fact one of my favorite examples of
02:46:20 Yahweh providing away is Benedict and
02:46:25 I I’m probably mosiah 12 and 13 would be
02:46:30 the chapter but
02:46:31 when he was in Chains
02:46:35 and
02:46:37 the wicked priests were trying to kick
02:46:39 him out
02:46:40 and Bender says no you can’t do that
02:46:43 because I have not told the things to
02:46:46 you that
02:46:47 Yahweh told me to tell you
02:46:50 and they couldn’t touch him until he
02:46:53 fulfilled what Yahweh told abinadar to
02:46:57 do it was only after that they were able
02:47:00 to kill him
02:47:02 or I should say better murder him right
02:47:05 because he was innocent but anyways
02:47:08 um
02:47:09 verse 11.
02:47:12 is it oh you wanna
02:47:14 I I’m it’s probably
02:47:16 uh it’s gonna be
02:47:20 12 would be my guess on that one
02:47:23 um
02:47:26 was that well yeah at mosaic 12 oh yeah
02:47:30 yeah you’re talking about the um were
02:47:32 they tried to get rid of them but then
02:47:34 they couldn’t touch them 13 actually I
02:47:37 think okay well let’s go down to bottom
02:47:40 of 12 make sure that it’s well
02:47:43 nope nope
02:47:46 nope it’s 13. go to 13. okay
02:47:52 okay they stood forth and attempted to
02:47:54 lay their hands on him but he stood them
02:47:56 said unto them touch me not for God or
02:47:58 shall Smite you if you lay your hands on
02:48:00 me upon me for I have delivered for I
02:48:02 have not delivered the message which the
02:48:04 Lord said we deliver neither have I told
02:48:06 you that which you requested that I
02:48:08 should tell therefore God will not
02:48:10 suffer that I shall be destroyed at this
02:48:12 time but I must fulfill the Commandments
02:48:13 where what God has commanded me and
02:48:16 because I have told you the truth you
02:48:18 are angry again I because I have spoken
02:48:20 the word of God yet judged me that I am
02:48:23 back okay so the main point
02:48:27 is
02:48:29 if Joseph Smith was really commanded to
02:48:31 teach the people
02:48:34 um
02:48:35 it would have happened
02:48:38 right and
02:48:41 for one he didn’t happen the Sabbath and
02:48:43 and two I mean doing it in letters which
02:48:48 we don’t really have really getting into
02:48:51 the details in fact even
02:48:53 Howie
02:48:55 the LDS church does it actually
02:48:57 contradicts these letters so right I
02:49:00 mean that goes against first king 537
02:49:02 why why are they doing it the way the
02:49:03 Lord commanded it
02:49:05 um
02:49:06 but that’s where you start getting into
02:49:08 the specifics which
02:49:10 um we’ll start doing but anyways that’s
02:49:13 probably enough on verse 10 unless
02:49:14 anybody else wants to bring something
02:49:15 yeah and that’s kind of what I was
02:49:18 saying let’s let’s go on to verse 11.
02:49:20 okay you want to read 11.
02:49:22 look it I now close my letter for the
02:49:25 present for the want to more time but
02:49:28 the enemy is on the alert and as the
02:49:30 Savior said the prince of this world
02:49:31 cometh but he has nothing in me
02:49:36 so it just
02:49:39 116 pages
02:49:43 Yahweh provided a way right
02:49:47 and
02:49:48 Satan being abound roaming the Earth is
02:49:52 nothing new right
02:49:56 um
02:49:58 that’s just to me it’s an excuse why we
02:50:03 didn’t get more
02:50:04 where it contradicts first name by three
02:50:07 seven
02:50:08 it’s just because it’s not from him no I
02:50:11 this is
02:50:12 I’m going to Sidetrack this just a
02:50:14 little bit for just a couple minutes on
02:50:16 the 116 pages
02:50:19 um
02:50:21 one thing I find interesting with 116
02:50:23 pages
02:50:24 that God knew it was going to happen
02:50:27 you know
02:50:28 and so he gave us or gave Nephi the
02:50:31 small place that he then translated the
02:50:33 interesting thing is those who stole
02:50:36 the 116 never came out with them to show
02:50:40 well Joseph Smith although you’re
02:50:42 translated or you translated the small
02:50:44 plates
02:50:45 it’s contradicting what’s in these 116
02:50:48 that we borrowed or took from Martin
02:50:53 and my point is
02:50:55 the small plates as it’s in this
02:51:00 missionary edition of The Book of Mormon
02:51:03 to the you know mosiah
02:51:07 now there are some footnotes at the
02:51:09 bottom right but it’s a 145 pages
02:51:13 so with 145 pages that Joseph Smith
02:51:16 translated from the small plates none of
02:51:19 it contradicted the 116 pages
02:51:23 that these people who stole these 116
02:51:27 Pages could have come out with it and
02:51:29 said you there’s a contradiction they
02:51:31 never did that
02:51:35 yeah go ahead Zach Zach did we ever
02:51:39 has it ever been found out who took it
02:51:42 no I I think if I remember correctly uh
02:51:46 Martin Harris did not near the end of
02:51:48 his life didn’t think his wife did it
02:51:52 uh if I remember correctly
02:51:55 um but I’m not an expert on that
02:51:58 I mean like he had a suspicion that she
02:52:00 might have
02:52:02 uh I think more he was defending his
02:52:04 wife
02:52:05 and saying that he didn’t believe that
02:52:07 she did do it
02:52:11 um but I
02:52:13 don’t query on that but the point the
02:52:16 point is
02:52:19 if Satan has nothing on you
02:52:23 why not go and address the Saints again
02:52:26 two verses together display the uh
02:52:32 lie within each other
02:52:36 right
02:52:39 um which which is what which is why I
02:52:42 think it’s always a great idea to read
02:52:44 these things
02:52:45 all together
02:52:48 because
02:52:50 it
02:52:53 really is going to
02:52:56 um either
02:52:58 bring out
02:53:00 truth
02:53:01 or it’s going to bring out error
02:53:05 when you when the more we isolate
02:53:09 the more we take verses by themselves
02:53:16 the more we separate ourselves from the
02:53:20 meaning of the entire text
02:53:24 and so there and there’s a week There’s
02:53:28 a in some cases there’s a strength to
02:53:30 that and in some cases there’s a
02:53:32 weakness
02:53:35 so I I think it’s really interesting
02:53:37 looking at 10 and 11 together
02:53:40 it’s like
02:53:42 what
02:53:43 Satan Prince of this world nothing on me
02:53:46 but it’s keeping you from going and
02:53:48 preaching yeah it’s I I mean job brings
02:53:52 out how Satan can only do what Yahweh
02:53:55 allows so
02:53:58 it’s just 11 doesn’t make sense on
02:54:01 multiple aspects in my personal opinion
02:54:05 um
02:54:07 I mean the enemy’s always been on alert
02:54:09 I mean that’s partly why I bring out the
02:54:13 116 pages and the small plates
02:54:17 and the enemy
02:54:19 is not smarter than Yahweh
02:54:23 he will prepare a way we’re just like in
02:54:26 persons by three seven right but anyways
02:54:28 yeah um
02:54:31 small one uh are you willing to read
02:54:34 that Monica
02:54:38 yes sorry verse 12. uh-huh
02:54:42 behold my prayer to God is that you all
02:54:45 may be saved and I subscribe myself your
02:54:48 servant in the Lord prophet and Seer of
02:54:50 the Church of Jesus Christ so Latter-day
02:54:52 Saints
02:54:53 Joseph Smith so I this is not a big deal
02:54:57 one way or the other on on 12 but uh
02:55:01 Joseph Smith knew there were deceivers
02:55:03 among the church uh dnc50 is my favorite
02:55:06 on that one
02:55:08 um
02:55:10 but here’s the office we saved I I just
02:55:14 he got a commandment from Yahweh
02:55:18 in dnc50 in other sections to go find
02:55:20 out these deceivers and remove them from
02:55:23 the church
02:55:24 the other the other interesting thing is
02:55:26 this the Church of Jesus Christ of
02:55:28 Latter-day Saints when he was signing
02:55:31 legal documents around this time he was
02:55:34 only he was only writing out the Church
02:55:36 of the Latter-day Saints
02:55:38 that’s true
02:55:40 um so it’d be interesting on that point
02:55:42 I forgot about that because I know the
02:55:45 LDS church retroactive changed those
02:55:49 references to
02:55:51 the Church of Jesus Christ the latter
02:55:52 exchange rather than just be the Church
02:55:54 of the Latter-Day Saint or when he was
02:55:56 when he was filling out legal documents
02:55:59 like marriage licenses and what have you
02:56:01 it’s the Church of the letter reasons so
02:56:03 let’s go see what that was in the as
02:56:06 close to the original that we can get
02:56:08 right nope
02:56:11 uh
02:56:18 uh
02:56:20 well
02:56:21 that’s not how he would have signed it
02:56:23 all right
02:56:25 yeah
02:56:26 and the earliest one which makes sense
02:56:28 is 18 because it would have been 1835 so
02:56:32 it’s not there it would have been 1844.
02:56:35 and that’s the wrong signature so that’s
02:56:37 again and the the thing about the 1844
02:56:39 Doctrine covenants is that it came out
02:56:41 after his death
02:56:43 correct now on that point
02:56:46 um
02:56:54 do you know when it was sent to the
02:56:55 publisher though
02:56:57 uh so it was partly being published
02:57:00 while Joseph Smith was alive it wasn’t
02:57:02 finished until he was dead
02:57:06 but on that point this section
02:57:11 127.
02:57:13 so
02:57:15 I believe that it got added things were
02:57:19 added after Joe Smith died in fact
02:57:22 uh which section is the one about his
02:57:24 death
02:57:25 that one um
02:57:28 yeah which is one 111 in 1844. that was
02:57:33 added after Joseph Smith’s death
02:57:36 and that’s very close to this one
02:57:40 uh
02:57:41 I postulate it was added after his death
02:57:46 and this is one thing where I don’t know
02:57:48 the history or who had the job to do
02:57:51 things
02:57:52 who was doing the 1844
02:57:56 Printing and where did did they go with
02:57:59 Brigham or did they go William W Phelps
02:58:05 um I so the name Rings about there’s
02:58:07 been there’s been there’s uh
02:58:10 another person who has another Inside
02:58:12 Job theory that concludes that William W
02:58:15 Phelps was in on it
02:58:17 so
02:58:19 um
02:58:21 anyways I I do think now he’s this guy
02:58:24 that the person who was in charge is
02:58:27 printing
02:58:28 was on the wrong team
02:58:31 is my main point and I think Ben just
02:58:33 brought out something that kind of
02:58:35 supports that
02:58:38 so yeah William W Phelps was in charge
02:58:40 of the uh he was in charge of the
02:58:42 printing and um yeah
02:58:46 and he and he
02:58:50 he was fully in line with the power with
02:58:53 the rising powers
02:58:54 we’ll put it that way yeah so
02:58:58 um that really puts in question
02:59:01 of the validity because this is right at
02:59:03 the end
02:59:04 all right
02:59:06 um
02:59:07 now I
02:59:10 that’s it they’ve got their own printing
02:59:13 place but I think it was destroyed
02:59:16 before this would have been printed
02:59:23 was not destroyed before the end before
02:59:25 the end of 1840
02:59:28 . there was one that was destroyed with
02:59:30 the book of Commandments but this one
02:59:32 would have been different this is yeah
02:59:34 this is a Naboo this is not uh
02:59:37 the Nabu Expositor was destroyed June
02:59:41 10th 1844 so that would have been before
02:59:43 Joseph died but that’s not the only but
02:59:47 that that’s not the only uh print that
02:59:51 was not the only place that printed in
02:59:53 off who oh okay I didn’t know that yeah
02:59:57 navu neighbor the navu neighbor was
02:59:59 actually the um primary voice
03:00:05 in terms of the printing press
03:00:09 also there was also there was the times
03:00:11 and seasons
03:00:13 okay so those were different shops those
03:00:17 are different printing shops yes okay
03:00:20 and the Doctrine and Covenants 1844
03:00:22 Edition came out of the times and
03:00:24 seasons
03:00:25 or the same Printing Shop was the time
03:00:27 yeah it came out of the same printing
03:00:29 shop as the times it Seasons which was
03:00:31 owned by Williamson
03:00:35 so it’s interesting uh looking at the
03:00:38 supposed dates on these letters
03:00:42 uh 1842
03:00:45 Joseph Smith died and sometime 1844.
03:00:49 there’s two more years give or take that
03:00:51 he could have given us more and we
03:00:53 didn’t get anything
03:00:54 right
03:00:57 so it didn’t seem like it was too urgent
03:01:00 as it would made it sound like as we
03:01:02 read in 127 in my opinion and just
03:01:05 looking at what we got right
03:01:10 um so anyways I’m trying to see if
03:01:14 uh it looks like these are the the
03:01:16 latest ones 42
03:01:19 107. what was that yeah in terms of in
03:01:24 terms of time so there’s 31 35 44 but
03:01:29 that’s martyrdom
03:01:30 so yep uh 35
03:01:36 so the oldest things although it’s not
03:01:40 the last thing in that record or in that
03:01:42 edition of the DNC the oldest or I mean
03:01:45 the newest I got to do the right
03:01:47 direction the newest ones are these two
03:01:49 letters
03:01:52 with how important this is we only got
03:01:55 two letters with two more years before
03:01:57 Joseph Smith died
03:02:00 and who did this printing
03:02:03 really puts things into question and
03:02:05 whatnot let alone the doctrine we just
03:02:07 have another comment actually yeah
03:02:12 um I think it’s interesting I mean it
03:02:13 says in here quite a few times calls the
03:02:16 Lord the Lord of hosts
03:02:19 and something I actually just was made
03:02:21 aware of today that I think might be
03:02:24 true is that that title is used in kind
03:02:27 of like a more of a like a war sense
03:02:31 correct it is because the it it’s when
03:02:34 it’s relation to when you’re sinning
03:02:37 and you’re always going to use the host
03:02:39 of Heavens aka the planets to destroy
03:02:42 you
03:02:44 so that would be an interesting title to
03:02:46 use in this context I feel like
03:02:49 that is interesting is that I would say
03:02:53 interesting UFO minutes on the map
03:02:55 if
03:02:57 because it’s a completely it’s actually
03:03:00 completely out of context with what’s
03:03:02 supposed to be being given here
03:03:05 it’s actually a warning against what’s
03:03:08 in here
03:03:10 well I personally I I could see how
03:03:13 they’re trying to use to go along with
03:03:15 uh is it Malachi three or four you know
03:03:19 yeah Malachi’s world will be destroyed
03:03:21 if these things aren’t done yeah yeah
03:03:24 Malachi actually Malachi yeah yeah Earth
03:03:27 will be utterly wasted it is coming
03:03:29 you know so
03:03:31 um I although I don’t believe this
03:03:34 letter is authentic I I do can see how
03:03:39 this
03:03:40 this title is being used
03:03:43 appropriately because they claim that
03:03:46 all the baptism of the Dead need to
03:03:48 happen right because the way that the
03:03:50 LDS church interprets those
03:03:52 chapters
03:03:54 so which are is incorrect but others
03:03:58 versus I’ve actually been pondering on a
03:04:00 lot lately and I feel like I finally
03:04:03 understand what that those verses mean
03:04:07 the Turning of the hearts of the
03:04:09 children to their fathers it’s about the
03:04:12 Covenant it’s about the Covenant
03:04:14 yeah I think it’s the especially I think
03:04:18 it’s you know like the lamanites and the
03:04:21 Jews Like returning to Christ and
03:04:24 every yeah everybody returning to the
03:04:25 Covenant yeah returning to the law in
03:04:28 fact if you want
03:04:34 but not necessarily genealogy and
03:04:37 baptism
03:04:38 uh genealogy of baptisms are about the
03:04:41 farthest thing from what that means at
03:04:43 all so if you want we did a recording on
03:04:46 that
03:04:48 um where I
03:04:50 um say that but basically that same
03:04:53 thing
03:04:54 um
03:04:55 and I bring out how it has to happen
03:04:57 before the second coming because
03:04:59 otherwise the world will be destroyed
03:05:01 because we’ll all be sinners
03:05:03 yep and we’ll all get stoned yeah and
03:05:06 then we’ll all get stoned because guess
03:05:07 what happens at the second coming
03:05:08 stoning anyways which is just the which
03:05:12 is just a sign that uh stoning wasn’t
03:05:15 done away right it’s still because
03:05:17 otherwise God would be breaking it
03:05:18 because otherwise got to be breaking his
03:05:20 own law
03:05:21 correct it’s just the church is not
03:05:25 allowed to do the stoning it’s the state
03:05:27 that does the stoning
03:05:29 in fact you’ll even see in the Book of
03:05:31 Mormon when capital punishment is done
03:05:34 they have to get the permission
03:05:37 of the head of
03:05:39 I can’t
03:05:40 the governor or something I don’t
03:05:42 remember exactly chief judge chief judge
03:05:44 okay yeah
03:05:46 um
03:05:48 so anyways
03:05:49 um yeah there’s there’s the church and
03:05:52 then there’s the states
03:05:54 um and the church doesn’t do it but the
03:05:56 state does because the church can only
03:06:00 the worst thing they can do is kick them
03:06:01 out of the church right
03:06:04 which is
03:06:06 um actually partly to protect the church
03:06:08 actually because if you keep the sinners
03:06:09 in
03:06:11 the church is now going to get starting
03:06:13 to get curses instead of blessings
03:06:15 because the church on a whole is now
03:06:17 sinning and that’s they’ll get curses
03:06:20 but anyways
03:06:23 um
03:06:24 but anyways if you want to listen to
03:06:26 that recording I kind of we talk about
03:06:28 that some and also bring out how uh the
03:06:30 mighty and strong one relation to that
03:06:32 is going to be teaching Torah
03:06:37 and how Adam kept Torah but anyways
03:06:40 um you may enjoy that recording
03:06:46 I agree with you Monica
03:06:48 yeah it’s it’s about returning to Torah
03:06:51 otherwise
03:06:53 if there’s no one that returned to Torah
03:06:54 everyone would be destroyed
03:06:59 because they all be breaking the law
03:07:02 but anyways
03:07:03 uh so I’m gonna pause for just a minute
03:07:09 so our original plan was to go do 128
03:07:15 also but considering
03:07:17 127 took much longer which is fine I
03:07:21 mean we’re here to just to get into
03:07:23 these things and talk about it so I’m
03:07:25 I’m not mad in fact pleasantly surprised
03:07:28 that it took so long that means that
03:07:30 people are interested in wanting to get
03:07:31 into the details so that’s fine but my
03:07:34 thing is
03:07:35 um we’re not going to have time to do
03:07:36 128 because I have a lot more notes to
03:07:39 go over in 128.
03:07:42 including a jst actually that it
03:07:45 contradicts
03:07:46 um
03:07:47 in 120 then 127 so I am going to say
03:07:52 we’re gonna have to save this for next
03:07:53 time or some other time but
03:07:57 kelsley brought something about how
03:07:59 she’s liking getting into the meat so
03:08:02 I’m gonna
03:08:03 see if I remember where it’s at uh can
03:08:06 you find a bow is that 17.
03:08:16 and it built a ship that’s the that’s
03:08:19 the ship well let’s see
03:08:23 nope this isn’t it
03:08:27 let’s go back this is the one I want
03:08:29 okay so here’s interesting so the milk
03:08:34 is the Commandments meat
03:08:37 are the Mysteries
03:08:39 so
03:08:41 um
03:08:41 what’s going on here they’re wandering
03:08:44 in the wilderness right and
03:08:47 at least initially the women were
03:08:49 complaining and they didn’t like
03:08:51 like their situation but later they
03:08:53 learned to like it so I’m gonna
03:08:56 um in fact casually since you kind of
03:08:58 brought up will you read verse one
03:09:01 sure
03:09:04 oops
03:09:06 I’m always on the wrong page let’s see
03:09:08 okay and it came to pass that we did
03:09:10 again take our journey in the wilderness
03:09:12 and we did travel
03:09:14 near
03:09:15 ly Eastward from that time forth and we
03:09:19 did travel and Wade through much
03:09:22 Affliction in the wilderness
03:09:25 and our women did Bear children in the
03:09:27 wilderness okay so I there’s a couple
03:09:30 things here but
03:09:32 the women were fruitful
03:09:34 and they
03:09:36 four children That Then followed
03:09:41 the Messiah in fact
03:09:44 maybe I’ll give you another mystery too
03:09:46 while I’m here so the lover law okay
03:09:50 um I believe it the liver law for those
03:09:54 who don’t know it’s how when
03:09:57 when a wife when a husband dies of a
03:10:01 wife that has not had a son born he is
03:10:04 to marry the closest
03:10:08 kin to raise seed up into him
03:10:11 I believe that is talking about how
03:10:16 the prophets will take care of the
03:10:19 messiah’s church and the Messiah died
03:10:22 for us
03:10:23 to bring forth children unto him
03:10:28 anyways something that’s pointing to
03:10:31 that yes yeah and I believe this is
03:10:34 saying pretty much the same thing
03:10:37 um the church
03:10:39 did Bear children in the wilderness
03:10:42 and here’s the part that really gets
03:10:44 into what you were talking about and so
03:10:46 great were the blessings of Yahweh upon
03:10:48 them while they did live upon raw meat
03:10:55 meaning the Mysteries this is a prophecy
03:10:58 that the churches will get to the point
03:11:01 that they will love
03:11:04 digging out these Mysteries directly
03:11:06 from the scriptures themselves instead
03:11:09 of being spoon-fed
03:11:11 sugar
03:11:13 um
03:11:14 just to go off and also movie uh yeah so
03:11:19 yeah and that’s that brings up another
03:11:22 important point
03:11:23 and when we’re reading the book of
03:11:25 Mormon we’re not just reading the
03:11:26 historical neurons
03:11:28 we’re reading the prophetic narrative oh
03:11:31 yeah
03:11:32 um in fact
03:11:33 let’s Sidetrack a little bit on that
03:11:38 The Book of Mormon so the title page so
03:11:41 the title page from the gold plates a
03:11:43 lot of people just ignore
03:11:47 um
03:11:48 which is wherefore is enbridgement of
03:11:50 the record of the people in the fine
03:11:51 also landmines written to the lamanites
03:11:54 who are the remnant of the House of
03:11:55 Israel and also the Jew and the Gentile
03:11:57 written by way of commandment and also
03:12:00 by Spirit of Prophecy
03:12:04 prophecy meaning it’s foretelling the
03:12:07 future
03:12:09 all right and there’s two parts to
03:12:12 prophecy one for telling the future and
03:12:15 testifying the Messiah now
03:12:18 um if you go read the first part of my
03:12:21 king Brigham post
03:12:23 okay
03:12:29 um
03:12:34 talks about verses in here and I this is
03:12:36 before I laid things out a little more
03:12:38 but I’ll give you the verses but he’s
03:12:41 go read this paragraph
03:12:43 and go read the verses that goes along
03:12:46 with it
03:12:48 um these verses will teach you that the
03:12:51 way that the Hebrews do prophecy is by
03:12:55 using history
03:13:00 which is what king Brigham is all about
03:13:01 but I give support for it in the verses
03:13:04 that I quote in this paragraph here so
03:13:06 go go read the verses sorry I didn’t
03:13:08 have them in line like I do nowadays but
03:13:09 anyways
03:13:12 um but the Book of Mormon is written by
03:13:15 the spirit of Prophecy in both aspects
03:13:18 testifying of the Messiah and
03:13:21 foretelling the future
03:13:25 so
03:13:27 in the future the churches will love the
03:13:30 mysteries in the scriptures and they
03:13:33 will give plenty suck for their children
03:13:35 which is giving milk to their children
03:13:37 and the milk is the Commandments
03:13:40 hmm
03:13:43 and they were so the meat the meat and
03:13:47 the milk go together
03:13:50 yeah I I mean what kind of suck
03:13:53 are they giving their children it’s
03:13:55 that’s only one thing that’s the milk
03:13:57 even though it’s not explicitly stating
03:13:59 it
03:14:00 hopefully your mother will know what
03:14:02 that is right more than uh yeah a father
03:14:04 but the father’s gonna know too anyways
03:14:09 um
03:14:10 and they were strong
03:14:11 what makes us strong keeping the
03:14:15 Commandments
03:14:17 well it’s nourishing by the good word of
03:14:19 God
03:14:20 amen
03:14:22 yeah even like unto the men
03:14:25 the prophets were begin to Bear their
03:14:28 Journeys without murmurings anyways
03:14:31 there’s a lot more to these verses than
03:14:34 most people will consider this is yeah
03:14:36 the thing that you have to bear in mind
03:14:38 is that the Journey of Lehigh to the
03:14:42 promised land
03:14:44 is a prophecy of The Exodus
03:14:50 uh the greater Exodus the greater race
03:14:55 I know I’m just making it more clear
03:15:02 it’s a prophecy yeah
03:15:07 and this is part of it
03:15:09 and so all these things which so many
03:15:12 times we tend to overlook
03:15:14 or just okay well that was a tender
03:15:17 Mercy
03:15:18 yeah okay that’s a nice story but why is
03:15:21 it there I
03:15:30 first thing if I won
03:15:37 spell Okay so
03:15:39 and if I haven’t been born of goodly
03:15:41 parents therefore I’ve been taught
03:15:43 someone in the learning of my father and
03:15:45 having seen many afflictions in the
03:15:47 course of my days nonetheless been
03:15:49 highly favored of Yahweh in all my days
03:15:52 having had a great knowledge of the
03:15:54 goodness and the mysteries of Elohim
03:15:57 therefore I make a record
03:15:59 of my proceedings and my days
03:16:02 Nephi put the mysteries in these records
03:16:07 and also
03:16:08 he told us how to can you go back to
03:16:11 First in five chapter one yeah sorry
03:16:13 I’ll go back to the other one I’ll do
03:16:15 the other one later
03:16:16 there we go
03:16:18 um yay I make a record in the language
03:16:20 of My Father which consists of the
03:16:22 learning of the Jews he gives us the key
03:16:25 yeah getting the most out of this record
03:16:29 which consists of the learning of the
03:16:32 Jews if you don’t read this like a
03:16:34 Hebrew you don’t understand it right in
03:16:38 the language
03:16:39 of the Egyptians but the learning
03:16:43 the way of thinking of the Jews
03:16:49 I learned something new recently it’s
03:16:51 interesting
03:16:54 oh cool
03:16:57 well the um
03:17:00 Book of Mormon is the Stick of Joseph
03:17:03 right yes it is
03:17:05 and so just like
03:17:09 um all of Joseph’s brothers came to him
03:17:12 in Egypt
03:17:14 you know to be saved from famine
03:17:19 um The Book of Mormon is supposed to be
03:17:23 the uh
03:17:26 fulfillment of that type I guess of all
03:17:28 of Israel coming to yeah
03:17:32 like me expounding the mystery in second
03:17:36 Nephi I mean second Kings six one
03:17:39 through seven
03:17:43 it’s the same thing you mean like that
03:17:45 it’s
03:17:48 about the Restoration in the Book of
03:17:50 Mormon it’s even saved by a broken off
03:17:52 branch
03:17:58 such such great stuff man
03:18:04 there are specific reasons why things
03:18:07 get written in these scriptures
03:18:11 that are not obvious to the Casual
03:18:13 reader
03:18:15 it’s to the diligent
03:18:20 law Keepers that Yahweh will then open
03:18:23 these things up
03:18:25 two
03:18:27 I I mean I I never Shameless plug but
03:18:31 catch and understand
03:18:34 well and the the thing to remember a lot
03:18:38 of times people like to look for the
03:18:40 deeper means
03:18:43 but the thing that you have to remember
03:18:44 about the true deeper mean of everything
03:18:48 I’m practically practically any verse
03:18:51 the deeper meaning is not going to
03:18:52 contradict
03:18:54 the primary interpretation correct amen
03:18:58 the fact
03:19:00 um on that I’ll have a little
03:19:04 yeah I feel like people are always
03:19:06 taking difficult to understand verses as
03:19:09 Windows so like we’re running the
03:19:10 opposite direction
03:19:11 [Music]
03:19:12 [Laughter]
03:19:13 that’s what most people do
03:19:16 um and that’s why I I say we we
03:19:20 need to make our base the simple
03:19:23 statements or it seems like most people
03:19:26 want to make the complicated ones their
03:19:29 base but
03:19:30 so here’s a little something about
03:19:31 Padres I wrote in Bishops are Israel’s
03:19:34 or Bishops or churches of Israel you
03:19:37 might be thinking I’m talking taking
03:19:39 that statement too literally I would
03:19:42 have to disagree I would
03:19:44 as I do agree that there is much
03:19:46 symbolism that I have to say it is to be
03:19:50 read literal also one thing we learned
03:19:53 about the studying about Padres
03:19:55 and here’s some links to go about it and
03:19:58 a book based on the Book of Mormon out
03:20:00 of BYU anyways is that the deeper levels
03:20:04 of meaning are symbolic
03:20:06 and understanding do not contradict or
03:20:09 contradict nor negate the more surface
03:20:12 levels or literal of understanding
03:20:15 so as we looked at this one on
03:20:19 got off of it again uh was it first
03:20:22 Nephi 17.
03:20:26 um it the deeper meaning that I brought
03:20:29 out here does it contradict the surface
03:20:32 meeting
03:20:35 No in fact the surface meeting actually
03:20:37 somewhat supports it when you look at
03:20:38 the symbols right
03:20:43 the deeper meanings and the surface
03:20:45 meanings support each other not
03:20:48 contradict each other but a lot of these
03:20:50 people who teach pretend and Mysteries
03:20:54 say it’s okay to contradict they don’t
03:20:57 contradict
03:20:59 that would make yahweh’s ways
03:21:01 contradicting and um Joseph Smith has an
03:21:05 apartment important statement on that
03:21:07 one
03:21:07 and so does the book more of it I I mean
03:21:11 how may it be asked was it known to be a
03:21:13 bad Angel by his contradicting a former
03:21:17 revelation
03:21:19 or in this case the same Revelation
03:21:21 right but anyways it’s the
03:21:23 contradictions that’s the problem
03:21:26 yep
03:21:28 um
03:21:30 but in the case with this history right
03:21:33 here it just it was a form of Revelation
03:21:35 but anyways it’s the contradiction it’s
03:21:37 the problem and I I mean I have lots of
03:21:39 scriptures on that that work sidetracked
03:21:41 some
03:21:43 um but I think yeah but that’s uh that’s
03:21:45 some great stuff right there
03:21:47 it’s interesting just go and just I’m
03:21:50 looking at this again and go look at the
03:21:52 next verse and thus we see that the
03:21:54 Commandments of Elohim must be fulfilled
03:21:57 right
03:22:02 because if you’re murmuring that will go
03:22:05 us back to
03:22:07 um ronai seven
03:22:09 which actually comes from Deuteronomy 28
03:22:11 29 but you know if you’re doing it
03:22:13 grudgingly it’ll be count on to you evil
03:22:15 and so here in verse 3 he’s actually
03:22:17 giving the primary interpretation
03:22:20 and if it’s so be that the children of
03:22:22 men keep the Commandments of God you
03:22:23 just nourish them and strengthen them
03:22:24 provide needs whereby they can
03:22:26 accomplish the thing which he has
03:22:28 commanded them
03:22:29 wherefore he did provide means for us
03:22:31 well-beated sojourn in the wilderness
03:22:36 yeah
03:22:38 so I to me
03:22:40 I didn’t remember this but that supports
03:22:42 what I’m I believe supports what I’m
03:22:45 bringing up from verse 2 for symbols and
03:22:47 these symbols are are
03:22:50 consistent meet you know even Paul talks
03:22:53 about give them the milk Commandments
03:22:55 before the meat the Mysteries
03:23:00 there’s a lot of things you can say
03:23:01 about Paul but um Paul was a teacher of
03:23:04 teachers
03:23:06 um and a lot of people who are not even
03:23:09 keeping the milk think that they can
03:23:12 understand the meat or the meat of the
03:23:14 meat that Paul gives that’s
03:23:19 just ludicrous and they consider
03:23:22 themselves skilled and interpreting
03:23:24 yeah
03:23:27 um
03:23:28 but here it
03:23:30 are women to give
03:23:33 the Commandments unto their children
03:23:35 they did give plenty of suck which is
03:23:39 milk for their children and they became
03:23:41 strong
03:23:42 keeping yahweh’s ways is what really
03:23:45 makes us strong even like unto the
03:23:47 prophets the men are the prophets yeah
03:23:51 or or nations but I would say in this
03:23:52 case it’s Prophets
03:23:54 mm-hmm and they did begin to Bear their
03:23:57 Journeys without murmurings without
03:23:59 complainings because
03:24:01 they now have peace from Yahweh and you
03:24:04 get peace from Yahweh because you keep
03:24:06 his ways what is um
03:24:10 is that John 14 or I or is that John 15
03:24:15 I
03:24:17 sorry I don’t have everything memorized
03:24:30 Commandments John 14 15.
03:24:33 if you love me keep my Commandments oh
03:24:35 yeah but that’s on Twitter oh comforter
03:24:37 okay yeah
03:24:39 this is the piece right because
03:24:44 verse 26 maybe 27 okay and I leave unto
03:24:50 you my peace my comforter my Holy Spirit
03:24:53 I give unto you not as the world giveth
03:24:56 I give unto you let not your heart be
03:24:58 troubled neither Let It Be Afraid
03:25:01 a peacemaker is someone who teaches
03:25:04 yahweh’s ways so that they can receive
03:25:06 peace from Yahweh which is received
03:25:11 from Yahweh when you keep his ways his
03:25:15 law his Torah
03:25:19 which just goes back to what we’re at
03:25:23 least what I see in here right but
03:25:26 anyways
03:25:28 well that is freaking awesome
03:25:32 I
03:25:33 I’m getting kind of tired and so here’s
03:25:35 another one look and we so Journey for
03:25:38 the space for many years even eight
03:25:39 years in the wilderness I’ll leave it at
03:25:41 that
03:25:42 yeah what happens after eight you can
03:25:46 then enter the kingdom yep that’s right
03:25:49 there you go how do you enter the
03:25:50 kingdom
03:25:52 anyways eight is eight is a Hebrew eight
03:25:55 is a powerful Hebrew number yeah it is
03:25:58 well it’s also when you can be baptized
03:26:00 to enter the kingdom
03:26:01 it symbolizes rebirth renewal
03:26:06 it also symbolizes uh
03:26:08 resurrection and the choice in fact
03:26:12 so
03:26:15 the Mounds that Newark right there’s a
03:26:22 the
03:26:27 kind of the the weird thing all right
03:26:30 now I’m gonna have to get up
03:26:40 oh yeah
03:26:48 yeah
03:26:50 so this actually teaches the gospel okay
03:26:53 now I disagree with various parts from
03:26:55 Meldrum and his interpretation but
03:26:58 um
03:27:03 this one okay right here this is the one
03:27:05 I’m talking about so this is not the
03:27:07 star of Melchizedek you see how it it’s
03:27:10 not you have no it’s not two squares on
03:27:14 top of each other but anyways you see
03:27:16 here this has eight points
03:27:20 and this also when you look here when
03:27:22 you go through one of these doors
03:27:24 uh originally you then had to turn left
03:27:27 or the right
03:27:29 good or evil
03:27:31 condemnation going to the kingdom I mean
03:27:36 it goes over and over and over but it’s
03:27:38 connected with eight
03:27:40 eight has a lot of meanings to it and
03:27:41 how do you get part of the getting into
03:27:43 the kingdom is the baptism
03:27:45 um this also has to do with the eight
03:27:47 also has to do with resurrections but
03:27:49 anyways
03:27:50 um yep
03:27:52 there’s a lot to this stuff and that is
03:27:54 not Melchizedek star
03:27:57 go look at it you have no inner angles
03:28:00 you don’t have angles going both ways
03:28:02 like you do with the most physics or
03:28:03 melchizic Stars a cult
03:28:06 yeah
03:28:08 but anyways so yeah so much so much of
03:28:12 what we try to do so much of what people
03:28:14 try to teach truth with they’re just
03:28:16 teaching a cult
03:28:17 yeah and and so on four what happened
03:28:20 when they left the wilderness
03:28:23 they went into the water
03:28:28 these
03:28:32 it I I’ve seen estimates
03:28:35 I don’t know how true this statement is
03:28:37 but even if it’s not complete completely
03:28:40 accurate I think there’s um
03:28:43 fairly true that Nephi took 40 years to
03:28:46 write this as what he put on the small
03:28:49 plates he put a lot of thought and
03:28:52 pondering into this
03:28:54 there is ton and guess what and then
03:28:58 they went to the Bountiful anyways I I’m
03:29:01 we’re getting late I could keep going no
03:29:05 yeah yeah it’s it’s one it’s actually
03:29:08 amazing what’s in what is in the Book of
03:29:11 Mormon when you actually read it
03:29:16 the way it was meant to be read yeah
03:29:19 like a Jew wait a minute did we say we
03:29:21 had to read it like a Jew
03:29:23 yes no we didn’t actually we didn’t say
03:29:26 that Nephi said that yeah the learning
03:29:30 of the Jews which is basically the
03:29:31 Hebrews right you got to think like a
03:29:33 Hebrew
03:29:34 yeah this is not a Hellenistic Greek
03:29:37 documentary this is a Hebrew
03:29:40 document
03:29:41 um but anyways
03:29:44 so I’m going to pause