Scripture Study 2023-06-25

Summary:

00:00:00 Brigham Young hated the JST
00:11:53 A lot of D&C sections came after the JST
00:12:19 JST not correlated with Adam Clarke’s commentary
00:15:10 Casting of lots fell on Jacob 5
00:16:07 Jacob 5 is prophecy
00:17:07 Roots is Torah
00:17:18 Branches are different groups
00:17:30 Master is the Father, and servant is the Son
00:17:58 In the 50s Jaredites, Lehites, Gentiles
00:18:10 Mighty and Strong One and other servants
00:18:31 What is the fruit
00:25:25 Olives are harvest around the time of Shavuot – Pentecost
00:29:25 The fruits are our works according to Torah
00:30:36 Little children
00:31:30 Fruits are our works
00:31:50 Against the season
00:32:56 History of scattering
00:38:47 Talked about Jesuits, Freemasonry and Brigham Young
00:43:11 Joseph Smith’s last dream
00:43:48 Nice but not nessary to know who all the branches are
00:44:47 Footnotes from 1907 BoM
00:53:01 Searching for good and poor
00:58:09 Correlation between poor and nourishment
00:59:04 When Abraham was given the land it was primarily filled with Canaanites
00:59:47 God has split the tree multiple times
01:09:58 Nephite branch or Jaredite branch
01:13:32 Jaredites around the time of Abraham
01:21:31 Search for good, Nephites or Jaredites
01:26:07 Discussing who the branch could be
01:30:10 Looking at the word soon
01:39:03 Reading more
01:43:32 The roots are still good because of the wild branches
01:44:39 Reading more
01:47:47 Hair is uh idiom for authority
01:47:53 Earlier verses are talking about the Nephites as the laters ones are
01:53:31 1900 BoM footnotes
02:06:25 Whole world became wicked
02:08:48 Lofty
02:15:07 Apostasy and Constantine
02:17:54 Joseph Smith restored much
02:19:41 The angel of YHWH is YHWH
02:20:19 Joseph Smith restored much
02:24:25 Crazy Horse prophecy
02:27:56 Burn wicked items
02:29:22 The law was not done away with
02:30:30 Law of Moses not Torah was nailed to the cross
02:31:13 Quotes from JS that Torah and Law of Moses are different
02:32:07 Law of Moses and circumcision were punishments
02:32:40 Joseph Smith brings out that Galatians 3 is law of Moses
02:37:53 People were not keeping what YHWH gave them
02:38:28 D&C 59 states do whats in Torah and the prophets
02:41:20 D&C 59 given on a lunar sabbath
02:44:28 Joseph, Mary’s husband, was Yeshua’s biological father
02:46:24 Immaculate Conception is about Mary
02:47:06 If Mary was pregnant than anyone other than Joseph, the law states she should be stoned
02:48:05 Immaculate Conception is about Mary
02:49:50 JST Luke 1:34-35 removals suggests Joseph is the physical father
02:51:42 Author keeps repeating that Israelites say children are presented by the Holy Spirit
02:52:07 Hebrew doesn’t say by Holy Ghost, going back to Genesis in breathing the spirit into them
02:53:48 Did Mary think she was barren
02:54:43 Maybe she was surprised because it was Yeshua
02:54:58 Connected with Elizabeth being barren
02:55:29 Women married younger back then
02:58:18 Love is about commitment not feelings
02:58:48 Hebrew weddings is symbolic of being married to YHWH
03:00:58 Strangites believe Joseph, husband of Mary, is Yeshua’s father just like JST Luke 1:34-35
03:02:03 Brigham Young twisted Luke 1:34-35 which is not possible with the JST
03:02:29 JST exposes Brigham Young’s lies
03:02:54 According to Hebrew engagement you are pretty much married
03:03:22 Problems with society with marriage
03:05:09 JST Luke 1:34-35 supports Joseph, Mary’s husband, was Yeshua biological father
03:05:29 Yeshua, the Patrilineal Son of David has tons of scholarship including older manuscripts
03:07:07 Gentiles brought their Pagan ways and the Hebrew believers did not help them get rid of them
03:09:11 You need a good teacher
03:09:33 Groups going around arguing with eachother claiming revelations is not of YHWH
03:09:59 YHWH’s ways stay the same
03:13:41 YHWH work is never finished, the law of Moses is finished

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Notes:

After the appearance of the newly published Holy Scriptures, Joseph III sent a copy to Orson Pratt of the LDS church, whom he had known as a youth in Nauvoo, now of Salt Lake City, Utah. Citing an interview conducted years later with Pratt’s widow, Joseph wrote:
“She said … he came home one day quite elated over the receipt of the book … Right after supper, they had sat down together, he with the Inspired Version, and she with the King James turning to such passages as he directed, and together they had examined it most thoroughly, reading and comparing, until a late hour. Finally, at two o’clock in the morning, he laid the book aside with a sigh, and said: ‘Sarah, these men have done their work honestly! This translation is just as it was left by the Prophet Joseph in 1833. I could quickly have detected it had they tampered with or altered what he wrote. I am delighted with it, and I think God that I have received this copy'” Howard, Memoirs of President Joseph Smith III, 33. The appearance of the RLDS edition of the Holy Scriptures in Utah served to fan a continuing ambivalent fascination among the Latter-day Saints for this work. According to Joseph III, Orson Pratt, fired with enthusiasm, spoke of the New Translation positively in preaching in his local ward. Pratt immediately received summary notice to report to President Brigham Youngs’s office. Young demanded Pratt’s copy of the book and proceeded to give the elder a severe lecture, ordering him to retract what he had said before his congregation. “So the next Sabbath, poor Elder Orson Pratt, the ablest defender of Mormonism that ever crossed the plains to the West, had to go upon the stand and publicly retract his words” Howard, Memoirs of President Joseph Smith III, 33. Thus on this issue, like some others, lines of disagreement were formed between LDS and RLDS.
The New Translation Materials Since 1844, Ronald E Romig, Joseph Smith’s New Translation of the Bible – Original Manuscripts, BYU, pages 34-35

Transcript:

00:00:01 okay so with Sue back and me back in the
00:00:06 States
00:00:08 um I looked something up because I I
00:00:10 said how and
00:00:13 so here’s a Joseph Smith new translation
00:00:17 of the Bible original manuscripts that
00:00:20 BYU printed okay
00:00:23 um and BYU Brigham Young University but
00:00:27 in in the beginning one thing is nice it
00:00:30 this is not really nice for General uh
00:00:33 to study
00:00:35 but one thing is nice I’m trying to find
00:00:37 a good example
00:00:39 it has photographs of the manuscripts
00:00:42 yeah
00:00:43 yeah well that’s kind of cool but it’s
00:00:46 kind of
00:00:48 it’s not so nice or
00:00:51 um
00:00:52 oh just reading but on fact I I bought
00:00:57 my red one that I wanted except it was
00:00:59 the paperback blue Edition but anyways
00:01:01 that’s another subject
00:01:03 um but in here in its long intro
00:01:07 actually it does state that Brigham
00:01:09 Young
00:01:11 did not like the GST okay so I you’re
00:01:15 not going to be able to read it here but
00:01:17 oh that’s really fuzzy huh
00:01:21 yeah
00:01:23 I can’t read that
00:01:28 I typed it up
00:01:32 because I I hope to put it in a post one
00:01:34 day maybe I don’t know when but anyways
00:01:37 um
00:01:40 but I’ll read it here
00:01:43 um
00:01:43 so here’s what it states after the
00:01:45 appearance of the newly published holy
00:01:48 scriptures aka the the new translation
00:01:50 because it’s it’s had
00:01:53 said a couple names Joseph Smith III
00:01:56 sent a copy to Orson Pratt of the LDS
00:01:58 church whom he had known as a youth in
00:02:01 Nauvoo now of Salt Lake City Utah
00:02:04 citing an interview conducted years
00:02:07 later with Pratt’s Widow Joseph wrote
00:02:10 so the Joe Smith the third right she
00:02:13 said he came home one day quite elevated
00:02:16 over the receipt of the book right after
00:02:19 supper they sat down together
00:02:21 he with the inspired version so the the
00:02:24 jst and she with the King James turning
00:02:29 to such passages as he directed and
00:02:31 together they examined it most
00:02:34 thoroughly reading and comparing until a
00:02:38 late hour finally at two o’clock in the
00:02:41 morning he laid the book aside with
00:02:44 Assad and said Sarah these men have done
00:02:47 their work honestly this translation is
00:02:50 just as I
00:02:52 left by the Prophet Joseph in 1833 I
00:02:56 could quickly have detected it had they
00:02:59 tampered with or altered what he wrote I
00:03:03 Am delighted with it and I thank God
00:03:06 that I have received this copy
00:03:09 uh and that’s in the book Howard Memoirs
00:03:13 of Joseph Smith III page 33 and then
00:03:17 just continuing on in the new
00:03:20 translation materials
00:03:22 um
00:03:23 the the big book I just showed the
00:03:25 appearance of the rlds edition of the
00:03:27 Holy scriptures in Utah served to ban A
00:03:32 continuing ambivalent Fascination among
00:03:35 the Latter-Day Saints for this work
00:03:36 according to Joseph’s third
00:03:40 Orson Pratt fired with enthusiasm spoke
00:03:43 to the new translate positively in
00:03:46 preaching in his local Ward Pratt
00:03:49 immediately received summary notice to
00:03:52 report to president Brigham Young’s
00:03:54 office young demanded Pratt’s copy of
00:03:57 the book and proceeded to give the Elder
00:04:00 a severe lecture ordering him to retract
00:04:04 what he had said before his congregation
00:04:07 so the next Sabbath poor Elder Orson
00:04:10 Pratt the ableist defender of Mormonism
00:04:13 that had ever crossed the plains to the
00:04:16 West had to go upon the stand and
00:04:18 publicly retract his words
00:04:20 uh and that’s from Howard’s memoirs
00:04:24 of President Joseph Smith III page 33 on
00:04:28 this issue like some others lines of
00:04:31 disagreement were formed between LDS and
00:04:34 rlds and then that’s
00:04:36 the two pages that came from the new
00:04:38 translation materials so Brigham Young
00:04:41 told Olsen Pratt
00:04:43 to
00:04:45 retract his positive statements about
00:04:48 the new translation now when I wrote
00:04:52 that down here I remembered I had some
00:04:55 other stuff that I forgot about and so
00:04:59 since this actually has a link I’ll
00:05:01 share it so other people can go see it
00:05:03 this is from also from an LDS site
00:05:07 okay
00:05:09 um one was from BYU something they
00:05:11 published and this here is from LDS
00:05:14 cleared
00:05:16 okay further before his death Joseph had
00:05:20 spoken with Brigham Young about going
00:05:21 through the translation of the
00:05:23 scriptures again perfecting upon points
00:05:26 of Doctrine which Yahweh had restained
00:05:29 him from giving him plainness and the
00:05:31 fullness of time which we write which
00:05:33 was February 2nd 1833. now I don’t
00:05:37 believe that quote is authentic because
00:05:39 this is Brigham Young claiming that
00:05:41 Joseph Smith’s
00:05:43 saying that God told him to hold
00:05:46 something back and then now to put it
00:05:47 back in so I think this in my honest
00:05:50 opinion and that’s in the article uh
00:05:53 that’s Brigham Young leaving it out so
00:05:55 that way he could say that polygamy was
00:05:58 supposed to be out of it because it
00:05:59 wasn’t at first but then it was supposed
00:06:00 to be added later okay but
00:06:04 um here’s the really interesting part
00:06:07 after publication copies were sent West
00:06:10 to all of Utah counties general
00:06:12 authorities it was variously received
00:06:16 Orson pot Pratt was an ecstasy and
00:06:19 alleged to stay up all night reading it
00:06:21 he even preached conference sermons from
00:06:24 it
00:06:25 Brigham Young
00:06:27 on the other hand felt a little good
00:06:30 could come from the josephites so you
00:06:32 know the one with the arielius church
00:06:35 as he called those who did not come West
00:06:37 the Mormons in Utah were called the
00:06:39 brighamites
00:06:41 and he called upon all members of the
00:06:44 Utah Church who had copies to burn them
00:06:48 Brigham Young told the brighamites to
00:06:51 burn the jsts
00:06:53 uh which back then they were called The
00:06:55 Holy scriptures and then later they’re
00:06:57 inspired and then later jst with the
00:07:00 portions that belly’s Church did put in
00:07:02 which is about 10 of what’s actually
00:07:06 there FYI but anyways
00:07:08 bringing young further canceled Orson
00:07:10 Pratt never to quote from it again
00:07:13 another thing that Sean was that Brigham
00:07:16 Young didn’t like it thus in the days of
00:07:18 Brigham Young it was anathema to even
00:07:21 own a copy of Joseph’s Bible that’s an
00:07:24 anathema sorry it was an anathema to
00:07:28 even own a copy of Joseph’s Bible Orson
00:07:31 Pratt Outlook Brigham Young who died in
00:07:34 1877 and in 1878 right after and
00:07:38 probably as soon as they could the new
00:07:40 church President John Taylor S Orson
00:07:42 Pratt to ready a new edition of the
00:07:45 Pearl great price Orson included in this
00:07:48 new edition Genesis 1 verse 1 through
00:07:52 chapter 6 verse 13 quoted verbatim from
00:07:56 the reorganized publication
00:07:59 and these writings were entitled
00:08:01 selected selections from the book of
00:08:03 Moses this title clearly imposes that
00:08:06 Moses wrote more than
00:08:08 is contained therein and also included
00:08:12 in this 1870 edition of the program
00:08:14 price was the revised Matthew 23 verse
00:08:18 39 through Matthew 24 which we now refer
00:08:22 as the Joseph Smith Matthew
00:08:24 since the time of Brigham Young’s
00:08:26 Brigham Young Joseph’s inspired revision
00:08:29 has gradually increased in favor with
00:08:31 the church
00:08:32 our present new edition of The Bible
00:08:36 published in 1979
00:08:40 contains about
00:08:42 690 of the 340 Corrections 2 410. yeah
00:08:47 there’s actually about six thousand so
00:08:49 that that number’s off and then also in
00:08:53 the 2013 edition they took a whole bunch
00:08:56 out anyways we now refer to these
00:08:59 revised materials as the jst or the
00:09:02 Joseph Smith translation that part of
00:09:04 the the jst now regarded as canonized
00:09:07 scriptures includes Genesis 1. 1 through
00:09:11 Genesis 6 13 Matthew 23 39 through
00:09:14 Matthew 24 and those
00:09:17 690 verses contained and are
00:09:21 1979 edition of The Bible
00:09:24 the other thing about this
00:09:28 now the reason why they start the reason
00:09:31 why they start pulling back away from
00:09:33 the from the jst is because the jst
00:09:36 openly condemns it is because the the
00:09:40 doctrines presented to jst in the jst
00:09:43 Bible
00:09:46 um condemn the church yeah and I mean
00:09:49 tithing is a big one which we need to go
00:09:52 over one day and just about a lot of
00:09:55 things a lot of things that Brigham
00:09:56 Young claimed Joseph Smith taught him in
00:09:58 private
00:10:00 uh the jst actually condemns and in fact
00:10:03 if we ever get to do the recording on
00:10:07 DNC 128 one of the verses or things
00:10:11 that’s claimed in there actually
00:10:12 contradicts a jst
00:10:15 um I don’t remember which verse but we
00:10:17 go it’s one about the Hebrews
00:10:19 um but anyways just going out for rough
00:10:21 memory
00:10:22 um so it the GST condemns a lot in the
00:10:26 LDS church and that’s why I mean they
00:10:29 only use around 10 of it
00:10:33 um
00:10:34 but anyways
00:10:36 but from you can see from these two
00:10:38 quotes both published from brighamites
00:10:42 Brigham Young
00:10:45 do not like
00:10:47 the GST
00:10:50 um
00:10:51 so
00:10:53 um
00:10:54 neither does that neither does
00:10:56 mainstream Christianity mainstream
00:10:58 Christianity does not like the inspired
00:11:00 version either uh no
00:11:02 but that one’s a slightly different
00:11:04 um situation though a different reason
00:11:07 for it yeah
00:11:09 yeah
00:11:10 well I think it also kind of condemns
00:11:13 some of their
00:11:14 into their doctrines also but it’s sad
00:11:17 to see
00:11:18 someone who claims to be
00:11:22 the the one who took care of the church
00:11:24 after Joseph Smith died and that a lot
00:11:27 of people call as a prophet hated
00:11:31 what God commanded Joseph Smith to do
00:11:33 that I I mean I don’t have the words but
00:11:37 here’s DNC sections that were and verses
00:11:41 were Yahweh is talking to Joseph Smith
00:11:43 about the DNC so and there’s quite a few
00:11:47 of them
00:11:48 it it was commanded and I was uh
00:11:53 rereading the intro on this uh one thing
00:11:56 is kind of interesting a lot of the
00:11:58 sections of the DNC came after the jsts
00:12:03 so the jst opened Joseph Smith’s mind
00:12:06 but then he then asked questions and got
00:12:09 more insights on yeah the inspired the
00:12:11 inspired version contains the key the
00:12:13 inspired version of the Bible contains
00:12:15 the key to much of the Doctrine and
00:12:16 Covenants
00:12:18 exactly
00:12:19 um and I’ll just say this it’s not
00:12:23 correlated with uh
00:12:26 oh no I’m forgetting that
00:12:29 commentary right now which I have it the
00:12:33 atoms it’s not correlated with Adams
00:12:35 Clark’s commentary like some people
00:12:37 claim
00:12:39 um not on some big sections I’ve looked
00:12:41 at no I’ll be honest I haven’t looked at
00:12:43 everything but I’ve looked at some major
00:12:45 ones where lots of changes were done and
00:12:48 it does not correlate at all okay
00:12:52 um and that’s the Adams Clark but
00:12:55 anyways Adam Clark
00:12:57 um so he
00:12:59 uh was a guy that put out a commentary
00:13:01 and
00:13:04 let’s see if I can
00:13:06 uh I know how I can find it quicker
00:13:09 um
00:13:18 so
00:13:25 it would help if I there we go
00:13:28 so I’ll put this
00:13:30 in the chat so this
00:13:33 uh is uh
00:13:35 chiasmus that Ben and I did together
00:13:37 live
00:13:39 uh but then I did a little commentary on
00:13:41 it but I point to where you can go get
00:13:44 Adam Clark commentary here
00:13:47 and so you can go check it sections and
00:13:49 I’ve checked some they don’t correlate
00:13:51 with what Joseph Smith did
00:13:54 um but he uh did a commentary
00:13:57 and it was
00:13:59 around the time of Joseph Smith
00:14:02 and people claim that Joseph Smith did
00:14:06 the jst by looking at Adam Clark’s
00:14:09 commentary and
00:14:11 not that I can see
00:14:14 and so there there’s a scholar out there
00:14:17 that’s behind a paywall so I haven’t
00:14:19 read it
00:14:20 that states because he uses some of the
00:14:24 same phrases that Autumn Clark does that
00:14:28 he’s getting everything from Adam Clark
00:14:30 and it’s far from that but anyways I
00:14:34 talk a little bit into this post if you
00:14:37 want
00:14:39 um and I show the ones that relate to
00:14:41 this and I think maybe even Matthew oh
00:14:44 yeah you talk about Matthew 24
00:14:46 how they they’re not correlated with
00:14:48 each other like people claim okay
00:14:51 so they’re they’re quite a bit different
00:14:54 um
00:14:55 so I I put the links there you can look
00:14:57 at them later
00:15:01 um but anyways so I think with that
00:15:04 unless you have anybody has any comments
00:15:07 on that
00:15:08 um
00:15:10 okay so I think next we’re planning on
00:15:13 doing Jacob five right
00:15:17 that is what the uh
00:15:20 lot Splash coin toss God that’s what the
00:15:24 coin toss got us well I’m gonna do
00:15:30 and we had left off at verse 20.
00:15:34 was it 20 okay yep
00:15:44 maybe we start with 19 just looking at
00:15:47 the because of the skousen space there
00:15:50 yeah
00:15:51 no I
00:15:54 anyways I think it said about 20 of it
00:15:56 anyways we can just start there or we
00:15:57 start but maybe just 19. so yeah
00:16:03 um this would be fun kind of going at it
00:16:06 cold
00:16:07 yeah this is this is uh yeah the Jacob
00:16:12 five is not just your garden variety
00:16:16 allegory no it’s prophecy it’s full-on
00:16:19 prophecy yeah
00:16:22 um I remember
00:16:24 I have one where it talks about some of
00:16:26 the end I’ll put it in the notes
00:16:29 um and one about the mighty and strong
00:16:31 one even right uh yes there’s actually
00:16:35 there’s actually a fair bit about the
00:16:37 mighty and strong one later on at the
00:16:38 end of chapter five yeah at the end in
00:16:41 like the 60s 70s
00:16:44 um no I’ll put it in later I don’t want
00:16:46 to try to find the link
00:16:48 um so that might be interesting for
00:16:49 people to find and then also I’ll put a
00:16:52 link to one through
00:16:56 um 18 19 20 that we did before in the in
00:16:58 the notes if they want to go look yeah
00:17:01 but
00:17:03 uh I think just one thing to keep in
00:17:05 mind
00:17:07 um it’s prophecy and I kind of remember
00:17:09 things that pop in my head roots are the
00:17:12 fathers or the promises with the fathers
00:17:15 or you know Torah
00:17:18 um different branches or or different
00:17:21 groups yep
00:17:24 um the fruit is our works
00:17:28 um
00:17:30 well the master is a representation of
00:17:33 the Father the servant is a reputation
00:17:36 of the Sun
00:17:39 um because the the master and the
00:17:42 servant are through that all this
00:17:43 history
00:17:45 um and the only one that
00:17:47 goes through history like this is the
00:17:50 father and the son right
00:17:52 um
00:17:54 because
00:17:55 like in in near the end uh probably
00:17:58 around 50s maybe it starts talking about
00:18:01 the jaredites and the lehighs the
00:18:04 Nephites and lamanites and the Gentiles
00:18:07 so it starts talking about the uh start
00:18:10 it’s and it also starts talking about
00:18:12 other servants they call in they calling
00:18:14 other servants into the name right uh
00:18:16 now near the end just like what I see
00:18:19 goes along with prophecy that the mining
00:18:21 strong one isn’t going to do everything
00:18:22 on himself right he’s going to have a
00:18:24 lot of helpers
00:18:26 um so I think it goes along with that
00:18:27 but anyways
00:18:30 um
00:18:31 I guess maybe I can start with 19 and
00:18:33 20. yeah sure
00:18:35 and it came to pass that
00:18:38 the Lord of The Vineyard said unto the
00:18:40 servant come let us go to the neither
00:18:43 most part of the vineyard
00:18:45 and behold if the natural branches of
00:18:48 the tree hath not brought forth much
00:18:51 fruit also
00:18:52 that I may lay up the fruit thereof
00:18:55 against the season onto my own self so
00:18:59 um I think there’s a couple things that
00:19:01 we could get out of that one there’s
00:19:04 records out there and so the fruit could
00:19:07 be the records that they
00:19:09 um that these people made that
00:19:11 um second E5 29 talks about that we’ll
00:19:14 get later
00:19:15 um
00:19:16 but it talks about fruit against the
00:19:19 season
00:19:22 of against the season onto my own self
00:19:24 and now the season that he’s talking
00:19:26 about is the season of judgment so the
00:19:29 fruit that he’s talking about here has
00:19:32 to be related to the judgment
00:19:35 that’s interesting interesting thought
00:19:37 um I can go with that
00:19:39 I
00:19:40 I would wonder if that’s maybe being a
00:19:43 little too inclusive or exclusive on it
00:19:46 but I I can definitely see that as a
00:19:48 very good possibility
00:19:50 um because I mean
00:19:52 so what we’re talking about is that
00:19:55 which the fruit the fruit is the fruit
00:19:59 is what he’s trying to lay up against
00:20:01 the season against the time of judgment
00:20:03 he’s trying it what he wants is
00:20:07 people who people who will pass the
00:20:10 judgment and receive the good fire and
00:20:12 not the bad fire
00:20:13 uh yeah I I in general I do definitely
00:20:16 do agree with that because
00:20:18 um there is a burning layer down so if
00:20:21 so and in terms of this I have a
00:20:23 tendency to believe that the fruit is
00:20:25 actually
00:20:27 people so people and soul saved yeah
00:20:30 it’s our works they’ve they’ve done and
00:20:33 it does
00:20:35 um thus they’ve endured to the end and
00:20:37 this are saved right
00:20:39 as uh
00:20:41 Alma the younger States and uh I’m a 29
00:20:45 I believe right I’m he says I’m saved I
00:20:49 think it’s that chapter anyways right
00:20:50 well and the thing is is that as we’ve
00:20:53 talked about before salvation comes
00:20:55 through Christ and we are rewarded for
00:20:58 our works after upon being saved correct
00:21:02 correct because until we are saved no
00:21:05 amount of Works will do us any good
00:21:07 right because
00:21:09 um just going off of DNC 76 right if you
00:21:13 have not accepted Yeshua you were a son
00:21:16 of perdition yep and there’s nothing you
00:21:19 do to get saved because we’re only saved
00:21:21 through him because we all have sinned
00:21:24 except for him so so the fruit is so the
00:21:27 fruit the fruit is saved Souls the good
00:21:30 fruit is saved Souls that have been
00:21:32 rewarded
00:21:37 for the most part I go with that I do
00:21:39 wonder if some of the fruit could be
00:21:42 records that come forth later but I I
00:21:45 don’t know for sure
00:21:49 on that level the we are we will be
00:21:51 judged from the books
00:21:55 right right we will be judged from the
00:21:57 records so there’s some there’s
00:21:59 something to be said for that
00:22:00 right
00:22:02 um I I was thinking more along the lines
00:22:05 of just um giving each other people to
00:22:07 convert them but yes at Judgment Day we
00:22:11 will be judged by what’s written the
00:22:13 books but I think that’s more
00:22:17 like it’s stuck on that is because so
00:22:21 many times in these next two verses in
00:22:23 19 and 20 it talks about against the
00:22:25 season against the season against the
00:22:27 season
00:22:29 um
00:22:30 but the season is the holidays the holy
00:22:33 days
00:22:34 the holy days are used the same word as
00:22:39 the season the the words translated now
00:22:41 that’s an interesting thought right well
00:22:43 I think they go together because
00:22:45 um The Great and Dreadful day is going
00:22:48 to happen Tabernacles or either
00:22:51 Tabernacles or day of atonement there’s
00:22:53 kind of a because day of atonement more
00:22:56 is about judgment so it might be more
00:22:58 happening then actually just and and
00:23:00 when we lay up fruit
00:23:03 in the in the um Word of Wisdom we’re
00:23:07 supposed to eat the fruit in the season
00:23:09 thereof yeah that’s interesting
00:23:13 so in the in the holy day
00:23:17 period where that fruit
00:23:20 is that’s the day we eat it right uh so
00:23:25 I do think in the word of wisdom that
00:23:27 when it says in the season of thereof I
00:23:30 think it’s that’s more going to the
00:23:32 point where it’s ripe because in Hebrew
00:23:36 tradition they will take barley and
00:23:39 wheat and store it under their floor for
00:23:43 up to three years
00:23:45 so I I I see something a little
00:23:49 different because of what I know what
00:23:52 the Hebrews do that’s herbs I mean
00:23:54 that’s not herbs that’s or or fruits
00:23:57 that’s a harvest in fact
00:24:02 yeah but that’s the grain the the wheat
00:24:05 that we is the staff of life I can see I
00:24:09 can yeah I can see what I can see where
00:24:11 you can see where the missile where the
00:24:13 where um
00:24:15 Stephen’s talking more along the lines
00:24:17 of General fruit harvests so you’re
00:24:19 talking specifically fruit
00:24:22 um well
00:24:23 just because those the words used
00:24:26 well
00:24:27 um I think barley is part of the fruit
00:24:29 actually
00:24:31 um and
00:24:32 the main harvests in the scriptures are
00:24:35 the barley harvest the wheat Harvest and
00:24:39 the grape harvests in the scriptures
00:24:42 um so her look can we pause just for one
00:24:45 minute yeah sure
00:24:47 if I can find the button just thinking
00:24:49 about I’m just thinking about it I’m
00:24:51 just thinking
00:24:53 yeah
00:24:56 so I as we were talking about fruit I
00:24:59 was thinking what is the specific fruit
00:25:01 that is being referred to in this
00:25:04 chapter and it’s he’s talking about an
00:25:07 olive tree and um the and so the
00:25:11 specific fruit is olives and so maybe
00:25:14 that is that is that important
00:25:18 uh I’m gonna pause it that question Sue
00:25:23 okay so
00:25:25 um I have a question and that is
00:25:27 is there one of the holy days that the
00:25:31 olive is used for
00:25:34 olives is used for multiple of uh the
00:25:39 olive is the olives are used as part of
00:25:42 the offerings for the holy days all holy
00:25:45 days oh yeah a can of oil a hint of
00:25:47 olive oil yeah and that that’s after
00:25:51 crushing the olive
00:25:53 um
00:25:54 and I just off top my head I don’t know
00:25:58 of a high holiday that specifically
00:26:00 talks about harvesting of the uh olives
00:26:03 to be honest
00:26:06 um because
00:26:07 um
00:26:08 because uh
00:26:12 uh is it uh first fruits has to deal
00:26:15 with the first fruits has to deal with
00:26:16 the barley Harvest
00:26:19 um
00:26:20 uh shovel or uh Pentecost has to do with
00:26:26 the wheat Harvest
00:26:29 um and
00:26:31 also also there’s the new wine was made
00:26:36 at Pentecost as well
00:26:37 yeah because it was part of the so
00:26:41 Graves kind of it grapes start at
00:26:45 Pentecost and end with uh Tabernacles
00:26:48 because its grapes are kind of some of
00:26:50 both
00:26:51 primarily
00:26:53 Tabernacles but a little bit of Shelby
00:26:56 oat
00:26:57 um
00:26:58 but here olive trees
00:27:02 I need a heart
00:27:04 not sure okay do you know when olives
00:27:07 all Harvest olives in the late summer or
00:27:09 fall by picking them by hand oh so we’re
00:27:13 looking at the fall Feast here
00:27:15 well late summer uh
00:27:20 that’s that could be something depending
00:27:22 on specifics right yeah sovio is
00:27:25 actually a summer feast
00:27:27 despite what some people
00:27:30 um say in fact just on that point
00:27:33 by my calculations
00:27:36 let me
00:27:37 get my app up so I don’t give you the
00:27:39 wrong
00:27:40 day
00:27:43 two counts seven seven
00:27:46 yeah two counts seven sabbaths and then
00:27:50 60 days or then 50 days 50 days so
00:27:54 Pentecost Pentecost is 50 silly yeah 50.
00:27:58 I
00:28:03 [Music]
00:28:07 if you just do one count you do it
00:28:10 before they even get to Mount Sinai but
00:28:14 anyways that’s a whole other subject
00:28:15 pick all of these pick olives in there
00:28:18 green yellow green Rosy brown or black
00:28:20 green olives tend to be more intense and
00:28:22 bitter while darker olives are more mild
00:28:24 pit your olives and place them in an
00:28:26 airtight container soak them in a salt
00:28:28 brine for one week taste them and repeat
00:28:30 with fresh brine until they are your at
00:28:32 your desired flavor
00:28:43 especially the olive oil represents the
00:28:46 Law in the Holy Ghost in the spirit
00:28:48 right the anointing of the Holy Ghost is
00:28:50 what the olive oil represents right and
00:28:52 the anointing of the Holy Ghost which
00:28:55 goes along with the season that they’re
00:28:57 getting harvested so so that’s an
00:28:59 interesting that does that does provide
00:29:01 an interesting that does provide an
00:29:03 interesting look at what exactly the
00:29:05 fruits are all right so hold on let’s uh
00:29:07 pause again sorry guys
00:29:10 oh did somebody else come yeah
00:29:13 I gotta oh there okay
00:29:16 so I think when we left we were talking
00:29:19 about how the tree
00:29:22 dear Jacob five or trees because there’s
00:29:25 multiple of them right or actually olive
00:29:27 trees right yep and we looked at when
00:29:31 they’re harvested which goes along with
00:29:33 shall go out Pentecost which goes along
00:29:35 with oil uh and the Holy Spirit and
00:29:40 Torah right yeah which actually it’s
00:29:44 interesting it goes along with the
00:29:45 fruits because I do believe
00:29:49 um
00:29:50 the most important part of the fruit
00:29:52 that’s being put out here is our works
00:29:55 according to Torah right
00:29:58 so yeah after yeah after the profession
00:30:03 of belief
00:30:05 uh right right yeah because the works
00:30:09 prior to the confession of Christ
00:30:12 uh and uh and the laying aside of our
00:30:16 sins
00:30:17 completely
00:30:19 along with the profession of Christ and
00:30:22 the need for his atonement they don’t
00:30:25 get us very far right uh except for one
00:30:28 exception little children right who are
00:30:30 not accountable but other than that
00:30:32 exactly right yeah
00:30:35 um
00:30:36 but I I just want to throw out the
00:30:38 little children exception
00:30:40 um
00:30:41 but other than that the
00:30:43 uh yes it’s
00:30:44 accordingly and it’s and it’s and I find
00:30:49 it and I think that when he’s talking
00:30:51 about little children he’s talking about
00:30:52 the my also
00:30:55 the capacity of the individual oh right
00:30:58 right yes uh I mean I have a I have a
00:31:02 son who
00:31:05 yes he’s a little child he’s a little
00:31:07 child in a bigger body yep that’s uh
00:31:12 unique situation but yes so and so and
00:31:17 so and so you have to and when you
00:31:19 consider little child I don’t think
00:31:22 you’re just talking about age no it’s
00:31:25 mental capacity mental capacity you’re
00:31:27 right and it’s good to bring that out
00:31:30 um so all right anyways I I the fruits
00:31:33 that they’re storing up I do think
00:31:35 mostly points to our works
00:31:37 I and this is maybe where something I
00:31:40 need to study more later on but I do
00:31:42 wonder if it might point to some of the
00:31:43 records but maybe I’m reading too much
00:31:45 in that in this case right I I I I think
00:31:50 that I think that the words against the
00:31:54 season actually really are very
00:31:57 informative for us in terms of the prop
00:31:59 prophetic and allegorical aspects of
00:32:03 this
00:32:04 right and that makes some sense to me uh
00:32:07 it’s just something I’ll have to maybe
00:32:08 study out more later if I want to focus
00:32:11 on that instead of some of the other
00:32:12 things I’m trying to do yeah yeah um
00:32:16 well I think that is a good point though
00:32:17 you know if you and if you do look into
00:32:19 it you may find that it actually helps
00:32:20 you with some of the other things that
00:32:21 you’re trying to do uh sure well
00:32:25 that’s that’s just one of those things
00:32:27 that’s just one of those things that
00:32:30 um you know just whenever you get
00:32:32 whenever you get it whenever you get a
00:32:35 chance whenever you get a chance just
00:32:37 take a look at it all right
00:32:39 um it’s not like I I spend most of my
00:32:42 free time studying especially when I
00:32:44 don’t have kids to take with me right
00:32:47 now because they’re not with me right
00:32:49 now sadly but anyways good yeah
00:32:52 hopefully soon but yeah anyways okay so
00:32:56 back to 20.
00:32:57 yes and it came to pass that they went
00:33:00 forth whether the master of the vineyard
00:33:03 had hit the natural branches of the tree
00:33:06 so
00:33:08 um
00:33:09 I in this case I don’t know what this
00:33:13 represents in history I would speculate
00:33:15 that it is something in history though
00:33:18 right because I know we’re talking about
00:33:20 some kind of scattering yes there was
00:33:22 some type of scattering that happened
00:33:24 and that has happened multiple times
00:33:28 um I don’t know what one this one refers
00:33:30 to myself I know it could be this it
00:33:34 could be the scattering around it could
00:33:36 be the scattering around Noah
00:33:39 um maybe this is where we would have to
00:33:43 try to correlate the various one
00:33:45 scatterings to various
00:33:47 attributes that happen during those
00:33:49 times of periods I have not done that
00:33:52 through all of this one the only ones
00:33:54 that I’ve done myself are the jaredites
00:33:57 the lehights the Nephites
00:33:59 lamanites and then tiles
00:34:02 area which are more in the 60 versus 16.
00:34:07 yeah the later verses right because
00:34:09 that’s that one I have a little more
00:34:10 interest in in figuring that one out
00:34:13 um so
00:34:14 but yeah I hear you I hear you but I do
00:34:19 think that this one’s going to point to
00:34:20 Something in history I just don’t know
00:34:21 which one it is and it and and but most
00:34:25 importantly to me
00:34:27 it’s something that connects to all of
00:34:30 the rest of the scatterings all of these
00:34:33 are all connected
00:34:37 um
00:34:39 because they would always going back to
00:34:41 the Natural branches of the tree
00:34:44 the same natural branches he scattered
00:34:49 um
00:34:50 well there’s multiple times he does
00:34:52 natural branches but then also later
00:34:55 when it actually comes back to the
00:34:56 Gentiles when it it goes to the time of
00:34:59 Christ’s life right
00:35:01 um around this 50s 60s 70s uh it’s wild
00:35:06 branches that bring forth natural fruit
00:35:08 right so it’s not just it’s
00:35:12 it’s also drafting in Wild branches and
00:35:15 later on but that’s what we’re seeing is
00:35:18 the scattering
00:35:20 actually I think we saw some grafting in
00:35:22 of wild branches here uh did we preserve
00:35:26 the roots well that’s what preserved The
00:35:28 Roots uh I I don’t remember in this case
00:35:32 yes a while since we yes it is and it
00:35:35 came to pass that the Lord of The
00:35:36 Vineyard looked and be held the tree in
00:35:37 the in the which the Wild Olive branches
00:35:40 haven’t grafted this is verse 17. oh
00:35:42 okay okay and it had sprang forth and
00:35:45 began to bear fruit and he beheld that
00:35:46 it was good and then the fruit was like
00:35:48 unto the natural fruit and he said unto
00:35:50 the servant behold the branches of the
00:35:51 wild tree which had taken hold of the
00:35:53 moisture of the root thereof so this is
00:35:55 how we know the root is Torah
00:35:58 um because those who graft into it take
00:36:02 on its nature
00:36:03 now one thing I just remembered that you
00:36:05 brought up one time when we
00:36:08 um
00:36:09 when we read the blessings of Joseph
00:36:12 manasa and Ephraim
00:36:15 um I think it was that recording you
00:36:17 mentioned how Maybe
00:36:19 Joseph’s wife was one of those graph
00:36:22 things right yeah yeah
00:36:25 she’s actually she’s actually a daughter
00:36:28 of Egypt
00:36:29 right she’s actually she’s actually a
00:36:33 descendant
00:36:34 of uh she’s actually a descendant of
00:36:36 Canaan
00:36:38 the son of ham
00:36:43 one time I thought I came around to some
00:36:45 genealogy she may also be part of
00:36:49 Abraham’s line but I I don’t remember
00:36:52 it’s fake memory so yeah but I mean just
00:36:57 on the face I’m just talking about on
00:36:58 the face of it prima facie evidence well
00:37:01 right but then
00:37:03 you know we all came from Adam so why is
00:37:06 there even Eddie grafting but I think
00:37:07 it’s just more that certain groups
00:37:10 uh have
00:37:12 been more natural than others right
00:37:15 um right Israel has had their
00:37:17 their hard times but overall I think
00:37:19 they have been better than the rest of
00:37:21 the world right right well what I think
00:37:25 is the what I do think is this
00:37:28 is that
00:37:32 while
00:37:34 while I don’t I don’t think the blood is
00:37:37 a I what I don’t think is that blood is
00:37:39 is that the blood that you are the blood
00:37:42 that runs in your veins is is the
00:37:44 primary uh contributor as to whether or
00:37:46 not you’re good fruit
00:37:48 that’s that’s one of the lessons that we
00:37:50 learned from the parable of the Olive
00:37:52 Tree
00:37:54 quite a few times the natural branches
00:37:56 brought forth um wild fruit right did
00:37:59 someone want to say something
00:38:01 no by the way I’m back but yeah okay
00:38:06 but sorry go ahead no it was clear
00:38:10 okay
00:38:12 um but there was a lot of times where
00:38:13 the natural branches brought forth wild
00:38:15 fruit right right so it’s not the
00:38:20 bloodline it it’s so yeah yeah well and
00:38:24 the the branches the branches themselves
00:38:27 may be the bloodline
00:38:31 but
00:38:32 the fruit is not
00:38:35 exactly because there’s the wild
00:38:37 branches that brought forth the natural
00:38:38 fruit right yeah so yeah branches
00:38:42 themselves may be representative of
00:38:43 Bloodlines but the fruit is not right
00:38:47 where did the Jesuits come in are they
00:38:50 after are they the line of Cain or what
00:38:53 Jesuits so yeah
00:38:57 a fraction of the Catholic church that
00:39:01 started
00:39:02 when the Protestants started
00:39:05 and their goal is to get rid of the
00:39:08 Protestants in fact technically
00:39:10 technically Jesuits are simply an
00:39:12 offshoot of the Jesuits are a different
00:39:16 or an offshoot of the uh nice Templar
00:39:21 and the prior Priory of science
00:39:24 uh yeah but they’re part of the Catholic
00:39:28 Church they are part of the Catholic
00:39:30 church but so are the Knights Templar
00:39:31 until they weren’t yeah that’s an
00:39:34 interesting it’s true but
00:39:37 um I I talk about them a little bit in
00:39:40 my Notre Dame
00:39:43 um commentary and where they originally
00:39:46 did their oath the first time they did
00:39:48 the oath was in the basement of Notre
00:39:51 Dame I and I should like to point out
00:39:53 that many of the people who were members
00:39:55 of The Priory of cyan were high-ranking
00:39:57 people in the Catholic Church
00:39:58 yes
00:40:00 um but I remember
00:40:02 a couple years ago Notre Dame had a big
00:40:05 fire right and then all of a sudden all
00:40:07 this money came to to rescue it while
00:40:10 that came from the Jesuits mostly you
00:40:12 asked me yeah they know what that
00:40:15 building is the the public arm and the
00:40:19 the more public arm of the Jesuits right
00:40:21 now uh in terms of the secular matters
00:40:25 would be known as the Freemasons yeah
00:40:28 the the Freemasons are manipulated by
00:40:31 the Jesuits okay
00:40:33 and so was Brigham Young I have a couple
00:40:36 quotes yeah
00:40:42 and so the so the Jesuits are deaf in
00:40:45 terms of this Parable the Jesuits are
00:40:47 wild fruit
00:40:48 right
00:40:50 um they
00:40:52 if they’re anywhere in here
00:40:55 um it could be where the Gentiles then
00:40:58 turn wild right part of that part
00:41:02 because they they
00:41:04 oh I don’t remember the exact year off
00:41:06 top my head
00:41:08 um was it 14 or 1500 something like that
00:41:12 around the time of
00:41:13 um Martin Luther but that that’s when
00:41:15 they and I started well that’s that
00:41:20 that’s that’s when they ostensibly
00:41:22 started it yeah they
00:41:25 is
00:41:28 like the Templars ostensibly started
00:41:30 around uh around a certain time but they
00:41:34 were act there’s actually evidence of
00:41:36 their existence a couple of hundred
00:41:37 years earlier yeah yeah I I guess it’s
00:41:40 more more officially because uh the
00:41:43 Jesuit arm of the Catholic Church also
00:41:46 helps keep more of the old
00:41:48 Pagan ways alive also and I mean and so
00:41:52 that’s been around for a long time but I
00:41:55 think the more organization of the white
00:41:56 Pope the black pope happened more later
00:42:00 right yeah like
00:42:05 messy yeah it’s it’s really messy and
00:42:09 this Parable this particular Parable the
00:42:12 parable of the vineyard here in Jacob
00:42:15 five is about the workings of God’s
00:42:17 kingdom as opposed to the working of the
00:42:19 Devils well right but if the Jesuits in
00:42:23 there it’d be around words talking about
00:42:25 the Jesuits I mean the Gentiles because
00:42:27 the the Jesuits are the Gentiles right
00:42:30 right Gentiles yeah
00:42:33 um and they’re probably a good part of
00:42:36 why they went Wicked or wild right and
00:42:41 at this at this point every all at this
00:42:44 point all of the fruit is good fruit
00:42:47 from that tree uh right and that that
00:42:50 comes way later because that’s after the
00:42:53 death of Christ
00:42:55 um which even this just this kind of
00:42:59 goes with the Nazareth a little bit it
00:43:01 was the Sea Beast that happened after
00:43:03 the death of Christ and the um
00:43:07 Nazareth
00:43:09 um and it’s also it’s also in it’s also
00:43:11 in accordance with Joseph Smith’s last
00:43:13 dream the Sea Beast Rising yeah yeah to
00:43:17 the church which I highly recommend my
00:43:20 commentary on that but I might be a
00:43:22 little biased
00:43:24 not at all
00:43:26 right I’m glad you got to watch that
00:43:28 yeah I I need to just maybe I should
00:43:31 just publish that part of that post
00:43:32 because it’s that part’s pretty much
00:43:34 done but I just anyways
00:43:38 um but yeah if the Jesuits fit in here
00:43:41 it’d be the time of the Gentiles that’s
00:43:44 later on near the end right
00:43:48 um so but here we are we’re trying to
00:43:51 fit I don’t know that we necessarily
00:43:53 need to know exactly where all where all
00:43:55 these branches or who all these branches
00:43:57 are necessarily to get a full picture
00:44:00 and to get a fuller picture well I think
00:44:04 it would be helpful to know uh yeah it
00:44:06 would be but I do think we can still get
00:44:08 things out of it but
00:44:11 um
00:44:12 well I why don’t we just why don’t we
00:44:15 just why don’t we just think about it as
00:44:19 we go through the parable because some
00:44:21 the the this first place will come up
00:44:24 again uh as will the second and third
00:44:31 okay so I think I didn’t finish 20 right
00:44:35 no we did we haven’t hey we have yet to
00:44:37 finish 20. yeah yeah well that’s fine
00:44:40 we’re discussing good things so it’s
00:44:42 fine yeah right yeah it’s it’s it’s not
00:44:44 a bad thing I’m just saying I’m gonna
00:44:47 start here behold behold these and he
00:44:51 beheld the first and then it brought
00:44:52 forth much fruit and he beheld also that
00:44:56 it was good and he saith onto the
00:44:58 servant take of the fruit thereof and
00:45:00 lay it up against the season that I may
00:45:03 preserve it onto my own self for behold
00:45:06 saith thee this long time have I
00:45:09 nourished it and hath brought it forth
00:45:11 much fruit
00:45:13 okay
00:45:15 so Zach you want to read 21
00:45:18 .
00:45:20 [Music]
00:45:22 in the best of the servant saith to his
00:45:25 master
00:45:26 okay I’m still heathered
00:45:29 to plant this tree or disappearance of
00:45:31 the tree
00:45:32 the beholders it was the poorest spot in
00:45:35 all the land of life in Europe okay we
00:45:38 know that it was planted in a poor spot
00:45:39 of ground
00:45:41 know that
00:45:45 correspond so
00:45:49 the poor spot comes into play later in
00:45:52 in the end of it also right
00:45:56 um
00:45:57 so yeah this is why I say these these
00:46:00 plantings actually connect to each other
00:46:03 right so but I
00:46:06 I’m trying to remember if the jaredites
00:46:08 were the poorest though because you know
00:46:11 over a long period of time right yeah
00:46:14 but the piece of land
00:46:18 is the same land that just a few things
00:46:21 a few verses down is going to be talking
00:46:23 they’re going to be talking about how
00:46:25 this branch is planted in the in the
00:46:28 choice land
00:46:29 and some of it’s brought forth good and
00:46:31 some of it’s brought forth bad
00:46:35 just a few verses down
00:46:38 um right so I’m just
00:46:42 so here let me just throw my screen that
00:46:44 I’m looking at and just trying to
00:46:47 remember some things because if people
00:46:50 don’t know we pretty much do these
00:46:52 things cold every week right yeah pretty
00:46:55 much
00:46:56 um
00:46:57 well stop share
00:47:03 this
00:47:04 is a photocopy of a 1907 Book of Mormon
00:47:09 yeah
00:47:10 actually
00:47:12 and this is in uh 1900 Book of Mormon
00:47:15 that I personally have also
00:47:17 um
00:47:17 I I could show it if you guys want I
00:47:20 could pause and show it to you and it
00:47:22 has these also accept look but anyways
00:47:24 this is a lot more convenient
00:47:27 to do but uh so the green underlines
00:47:33 are the Nephites
00:47:35 oh this one right here
00:47:38 the purple is just America
00:47:41 the red or the Jared ice the cumber
00:47:44 covered the spot of ground
00:47:47 and the blue or the Nephites and the
00:47:50 yellow are the lamanites
00:47:54 um
00:47:55 now I not to brag but I figured it out
00:47:58 before I saw this it’s just kind of the
00:48:00 description but anyways but it is kind
00:48:02 of cool to see an older version of The
00:48:05 Book of Mormon uh in the footnotes
00:48:08 showing that right right
00:48:11 now this doesn’t necessarily mean
00:48:13 anything but I do think
00:48:15 the older the footnotes the more likely
00:48:18 it went along with what something Joseph
00:48:20 Smith said okay that’s quite possible
00:48:24 I I haven’t tried to go look up Joseph
00:48:26 Smith words on this specifically
00:48:29 um yeah
00:48:33 now do you
00:48:35 uh they’re not in the footnotes now in
00:48:37 today’s but we can no that would make
00:48:40 today that would make it far too easy to
00:48:42 understand
00:48:43 yeah so we can just go look I’ll show
00:48:45 you uh so 5 43.
00:48:48 so we’ll just go
00:48:51 into the 2003 Edition
00:48:58 um
00:49:00 pick up five
00:49:03 and that was 40.
00:49:05 yeah
00:49:08 uh okay so a
00:49:14 just a whole bunch of going to another
00:49:17 verse verse 25.
00:49:20 it doesn’t say what we just saw right
00:49:23 but it was clearly is not as informative
00:49:27 right so they only have something in
00:49:30 good spot they don’t have anything on
00:49:32 Brands which used to point to the
00:49:34 Nephites
00:49:35 the goods part of ground used to point
00:49:37 to America
00:49:39 so let’s go to 44.
00:49:41 cumbered so in the 1907 that pointed to
00:49:46 the jaredites let’s see what this says
00:49:49 and if they perish it be like under the
00:49:51 jaredites well
00:49:54 uh yeah it does kind of point it there
00:49:57 kind of they could just say jaredites if
00:50:01 it was
00:50:02 right clear so that one that one they
00:50:05 might have kept
00:50:07 so
00:50:08 um verse 45
00:50:12 part thereof used to point to the
00:50:16 Nephites
00:50:18 let’s see
00:50:20 appeared on the Olive Tree
00:50:24 yeah okay so it’s really not let’s see
00:50:28 but this is pointing to a commentary
00:50:31 that
00:50:32 um off of this allegory right
00:50:35 well it’s a commentary by Nephi on his
00:50:39 vision
00:50:41 uh and on the vision of Lehigh and on
00:50:45 the questions
00:50:47 the house of Israel was compared onto an
00:50:50 olive tree yes but he’s actually
00:50:52 answering questions by his brother in
00:50:54 first and by his brothers in first knee
00:50:56 5 15. that’s what he’s doing it’s not
00:50:59 related to this particularly necessarily
00:51:03 um it is related by the fact that it’s
00:51:06 compared by onto an olive tree
00:51:10 um but well if I remember we could read
00:51:13 through it but I think there’s a lot of
00:51:14 correlations so there are correlations
00:51:16 I’m not arguing that I’m just saying
00:51:19 that historically this
00:51:22 I mean this is older than that he
00:51:25 probably would have known about it to be
00:51:27 able to use it for his commentary right
00:51:29 I’m just saying he could be used putting
00:51:32 it in his into his commentary because he
00:51:35 knew about it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:51:37 okay I get it I get it
00:51:39 um because they’re
00:51:41 I mean after how many correlations is it
00:51:43 uh actual by purpose right exactly yeah
00:51:48 you’ve got you got a point
00:51:52 but
00:51:53 I I I’m just trying to remember if
00:51:55 you’re
00:51:56 so here is talking about later the
00:51:58 Gentiles
00:52:01 um
00:52:05 I’m trying to see if it mentions need
00:52:08 pie specifically here and
00:52:11 and it’s just a remnant of our seed is
00:52:13 what is mentioned yeah so I I think
00:52:16 that’s a bad reference so I think
00:52:18 they’ve got rid of that one though I
00:52:20 think the first Nephi 15 might have
00:52:22 something to say about Jacob five oh it
00:52:25 does because I think it adds some
00:52:27 commentary yeah
00:52:29 um but uh but we’re just looking at the
00:52:32 notes so 45 they don’t have this the
00:52:36 yellow one that was for the lamanites
00:52:39 no that was it so they they took most of
00:52:42 it out and the little bit that still is
00:52:45 there they muddied up so obvious right
00:52:49 it muddied it up a lot but so cumbered
00:52:53 this spot of land
00:52:55 or this spot of ground
00:52:59 um
00:52:59 I
00:53:01 I actually if it’s okay
00:53:04 I I’m just curious
00:53:07 if
00:53:08 we look at of the choice let’s look at
00:53:11 Choice see how many how
00:53:13 often to choose like it oh I spelled it
00:53:17 right Jacob five yeah yeah so
00:53:23 is that the first place it’s used no no
00:53:26 so we
00:53:28 so did I remember the word let me go
00:53:31 back to 20.
00:53:36 it’s a good spot it’s a good good spot
00:53:39 okay sorry
00:53:43 well good that’s different than choice
00:53:45 right yeah
00:53:48 so
00:53:49 so good is in 17
00:53:53 uh well 20 but I think that’s usually as
00:53:58 good as in reference to the fruit though
00:54:01 in verse 25 it’s in reference to the
00:54:04 spot of ground
00:54:05 am I remembering and I might and I’m
00:54:08 wondering if some of this has to do with
00:54:10 the parable of the sower
00:54:14 um well I think there’s some connections
00:54:16 to it because of the good fruit and the
00:54:19 bad fruit
00:54:20 but I am inclined to think this is more
00:54:23 just a long lines uh history of yahweh’s
00:54:26 dealings with us yeah then the
00:54:31 the kingdoms
00:54:33 um though
00:54:34 I I can see just off top of my head just
00:54:37 thinking out loud there’s the celestial
00:54:40 in here
00:54:41 there’s gonna be
00:54:43 also sons of perditions because of the
00:54:46 burning
00:54:48 um right because there’s burning at the
00:54:50 end
00:54:51 um well let’s let’s see if I’m
00:54:53 remembering correctly well because
00:54:55 because there’s burnings right so that’s
00:54:57 going to be Center predictions right
00:54:59 I mean there’s also different spots on
00:55:03 different spots of ground of course
00:55:05 right but there’s different spots of
00:55:07 grounds do have Celestial with them at
00:55:10 times right right that’s true so I I
00:55:14 yeah so it’s not a it’s definitely not a
00:55:16 perfect fit but the uh but I do think
00:55:19 that the parable of the sower can give
00:55:22 us some informing on this sure sure and
00:55:25 I’m just trying to think
00:55:26 um
00:55:29 I I can see things that are Celestial in
00:55:32 here and I can see things that are sons
00:55:34 of perditions
00:55:36 off top my head I don’t know if I think
00:55:37 that would be
00:55:39 terrestrial or tea cholesterol off top
00:55:41 my head but yeah because everything it
00:55:44 seems to be either good fruit or wild
00:55:46 fruit it’s not really a gradation yeah
00:55:50 the date the good fruit not that I
00:55:53 recall
00:55:54 um
00:55:56 so I I’m somewhat inclined to be less
00:56:00 thinking it’s along those lines
00:56:03 um and I don’t recall anything we’re
00:56:05 talking about different grades of the
00:56:07 good fruit to be honest
00:56:10 as we read through it yeah yeah but I
00:56:15 but I think that that might be a little
00:56:17 too much
00:56:19 so that might be me thinking that might
00:56:22 be me overthinking things oh I do it too
00:56:24 right because like maybe with the
00:56:26 records that one might be overthinking
00:56:29 yeah it’s a fire
00:56:31 um
00:56:32 but we want
00:56:34 we’re trying to rather trying to be too
00:56:37 broad
00:56:37 for sure painting with too big a brush
00:56:40 when I need a corner brush I’m painting
00:56:42 with a wall brush
00:56:44 oh no I always wanted to find the porous
00:56:46 that’s right so let’s go search for
00:56:51 so
00:56:53 um Forest is
00:56:55 there’s poor and poorer
00:56:57 and that’s in these next it’s in 22 and
00:57:00 23. so 21’s poor
00:57:03 22’s poor 23s poor
00:57:09 uh just those three so that’s not going
00:57:12 to be related to
00:57:14 you’re right yeah because it’s nowhere
00:57:16 for it there’s none of there’s none of
00:57:18 that further down
00:57:20 no it’s just those three
00:57:22 so uh I’m inclined to think that the
00:57:27 poor
00:57:28 foreground has nothing to do with the
00:57:31 new world
00:57:32 no
00:57:34 um
00:57:35 and
00:57:37 given and so the poor spot of ground
00:57:39 therefore I said wherefore I said unto
00:57:42 thee I have nourished it this long time
00:57:44 no because sir this is a poorest spot in
00:57:48 all the land of your VIN of thy Vineyard
00:57:49 and the Lord of The Vineyard said unto
00:57:51 him counsel me not I knew that it was a
00:57:53 poor spot of ground wherefore I said
00:57:55 unto thee I have nourished it this long
00:57:58 time and the beholdest that it hath
00:58:01 brought forth much fruit so
00:58:09 there is a correlation between poor and
00:58:13 how much and the nourishment
00:58:17 sure it receives
00:58:23 and this is earlier enough maybe this is
00:58:27 Israel before it blossoms right right
00:58:30 maybe maybe
00:58:32 or maybe just thinking out loud
00:58:35 right no no maybe that could that could
00:58:38 be um
00:58:39 I don’t know
00:58:41 well I maybe this just me trying to
00:58:43 figure out the some of the more
00:58:45 historical aspects of it but anyways
00:58:50 um but
00:58:53 um I I think you uh you’re at 22 right
00:58:56 yep yeah so Zach you want to read 23
00:59:02 yeah
00:59:04 so in fact just just thinking out loud
00:59:07 in this if my idea is right
00:59:12 um when Abraham was given the land
00:59:16 it was primarily filled with Canaanites
00:59:19 but would have made it poor right
00:59:22 you’re right
00:59:23 that’s interesting just just throwing
00:59:26 out an idea because I I haven’t looked
00:59:29 into a lot of the historical part in the
00:59:30 first part I’ve looked into more in the
00:59:33 latter part as
00:59:35 um as in like I showed right there and
00:59:38 then also I did one about you know the
00:59:40 mighty strong one but it’s done in here
00:59:43 later also yeah
00:59:45 foreign
00:59:47 anyways go ahead Zach 23.
00:59:51 the Lord of The Vineyard said to his
00:59:54 servant
00:59:55 look Heather behold I have pointed to
00:59:57 another branch of the shirt of the tree
00:59:59 also
01:00:00 and now notice that the spot of ground
01:00:02 was poorer than the first
01:00:04 but behold to the tree
01:00:07 I have nourished it this a long time
01:00:10 and hath brought forth much much fruit
01:00:13 before gather and up and laid
01:00:16 gather it and lay it up against the
01:00:18 season then I may preserve it unto my
01:00:20 known self
01:00:21 so the thing that they have to bear in
01:00:24 mind is that the branches themselves do
01:00:27 represent branches of the House of
01:00:30 Israel
01:00:31 yeah and so one thing
01:00:35 it just going with my current idea where
01:00:38 this one could be the poorer one you
01:00:40 could be lot with Sodom Gomorrah Maybe
01:00:44 well but he says look at the tree as if
01:00:47 he’s proud of it
01:00:50 uh I think he was
01:00:53 bought did what he was supposed to right
01:00:56 right
01:00:58 um
01:01:00 the daughter’s not so much right but I I
01:01:04 think I don’t think I think that I think
01:01:07 that’s uh less than but I still think
01:01:09 that’s a less than perfect
01:01:11 um well and it might not be that I I I’m
01:01:15 just it may it may be that this you know
01:01:19 and so
01:01:20 but the point is
01:01:22 what we can get from this even without
01:01:25 knowing everything about it
01:01:27 as the god
01:01:30 has
01:01:32 split the branch split the tree of
01:01:35 Israel multiple times
01:01:38 and planted it and sometimes in
01:01:40 desirable lands land’s Choice above all
01:01:43 other lands and sometimes
01:01:46 in land’s poor
01:01:49 not so desirable
01:01:53 um
01:01:53 right some land there are some who there
01:01:58 are some who would um there were there
01:02:02 are some who would consider the
01:02:03 Northlands
01:02:05 of the earth some of those lands
01:02:08 that are not as desirable
01:02:11 there are those who would consider
01:02:13 Africa and other places to be lands that
01:02:16 are not as desirable but in every
01:02:18 instance where God has nourished
01:02:22 in this up to this point where God has
01:02:25 nourished they have brought forth good
01:02:26 fruit
01:02:28 what God has nourished is brought forth
01:02:29 good fruit up to this point in the
01:02:31 parable
01:02:33 well there’s one time he bought there
01:02:35 were some that brought wild fruit
01:02:36 already yeah but well that’s yeah that
01:02:40 was uh that’s when that’s right at the
01:02:42 very beginning where right so the
01:02:46 question is did he nourish it and that’s
01:02:48 that’s we may need to look back at that
01:02:52 uh
01:02:57 yes he did I will prune it and dig about
01:03:00 it and nourish it okay the how the Olive
01:03:03 Tree that is the house of Israel I’m
01:03:06 nourished and is Vineyard and it grew
01:03:07 and it waxed old and it began to decay
01:03:11 so this is actually dealing with the
01:03:14 scatterings of the House of Israel
01:03:17 right right but I I think we just read
01:03:20 that uh he did nourish it before it went
01:03:23 wild right and it waxed old and began to
01:03:27 Decay and you can actually relate this
01:03:29 back to the tree the stump of to the
01:03:33 stump to the analogy given in Isaiah
01:03:37 of the stump of David from which this
01:03:40 the the stump of Jesse from which grows
01:03:43 the the uh the branch of Jesse the you
01:03:46 know yeah I know what you’re talking
01:03:47 about that’s that’s an interesting
01:03:49 thought I haven’t thought about that
01:03:51 before
01:03:52 um and then and from there we gain the
01:03:57 what we gain what I gained from this is
01:04:00 that all of this
01:04:02 was written
01:04:03 prophetically of a time that had not
01:04:06 occurred
01:04:07 up to that point right
01:04:09 um so so I don’t think so at the time
01:04:13 that um we don’t know when Zenith was
01:04:15 alive though we don’t know when he was
01:04:18 alive but
01:04:20 we do know
01:04:22 due to the nature due to the
01:04:24 relationships between this and Isaiah’s
01:04:28 tree of David
01:04:32 Green Tree
01:04:35 God’s trying to save the fruit of the
01:04:38 tree
01:04:40 um
01:04:42 the facts of the matter are the
01:04:43 scattering the scattering of Israel was
01:04:45 to save the fruit
01:04:47 we do know this was free Jeremiah
01:04:51 uh yeah
01:04:54 um
01:04:56 yes but how early how early he was in
01:05:00 the time that Israel was in the land of
01:05:03 Israel uh we do not know you’re right
01:05:06 but you do have an idea for when he
01:05:09 wasn’t I guess yeah sure well we we have
01:05:13 600 BC mb4 right yeah technically
01:05:20 technically it technically probably 575
01:05:24 BCM before
01:05:27 um um well I do think actually yeah yeah
01:05:30 600 yeah you’re right 600 BCM yeah
01:05:32 because I we the brass Place do have
01:05:35 some writings from Jeremiah right that’s
01:05:38 true that’s true um but we don’t know
01:05:40 exactly the timing on those but I I
01:05:43 would kind of put that closer to 600
01:05:45 though yeah yeah but anyways
01:05:49 um but we don’t know too much about
01:05:52 zenas
01:05:54 because but what we do know is but what
01:05:58 I do know is that at
01:06:01 unless he was writing really late
01:06:05 unless he was right up on the time of
01:06:07 Jeremiah
01:06:11 um
01:06:12 all scattering of Israel was the all
01:06:15 scattering of Israel was outside of the
01:06:18 scattering into two kingdoms
01:06:22 would have been uh a future event
01:06:28 unless he was right at the time of
01:06:29 unless he was right at the time of
01:06:31 Isaiah
01:06:33 right and we all scatterings would have
01:06:35 been in a future event
01:06:38 um
01:06:40 because because Israel because Israel
01:06:43 was scattered
01:06:45 they were still their own United Kingdom
01:06:47 until the time of Isaiah
01:06:50 they were scattered during Isaiah and
01:06:53 during Isaiah’s prophetic Ministry
01:06:55 uh that we’re aware of because even the
01:06:59 though as we’re told in the Nephi uh
01:07:02 with the Nephites
01:07:03 the Israel didn’t really know about the
01:07:06 Nephites scattering out right even in
01:07:08 the Book of Mormon tells us that’s true
01:07:10 that’s true
01:07:12 um
01:07:13 thank you so much is this so what you’re
01:07:15 saying is that the Lord might have led
01:07:17 people out before the main scattering
01:07:19 and that makes sense that would make
01:07:21 sense uh The Book of Mormon is an
01:07:23 example of that right right that that
01:07:26 would make sense
01:07:32 of this would have been a history and
01:07:36 how much of it was prophecy and exactly
01:07:39 and especially given the fact that the
01:07:43 scattering is to preserve
01:07:47 fruit unto himself he would be leading
01:07:51 righteous people away righteous branches
01:07:56 into these poor lands
01:07:59 now there are
01:08:02 um along those lines of various
01:08:04 scatterings there are theories out there
01:08:07 that when Moses left Egypt some
01:08:12 Israelites went up to Greece
01:08:14 I don’t know how true it is I’ve seen
01:08:17 some documentaries on it that seem some
01:08:19 convincing but I I I don’t have a
01:08:23 personal feeling one way or the other to
01:08:25 be honest but
01:08:27 the Greek the Greek way of thought and
01:08:30 the Greek way of thought is what frames
01:08:32 mystery religion so I’m not so sure of
01:08:35 that uh there’s some mosaics that are
01:08:39 some yeah pretty interesting but anyways
01:08:42 I I don’t know for sure one way or the
01:08:44 other but
01:08:46 um yeah because just because you’re with
01:08:48 the Greeks doesn’t mean you’re thinking
01:08:49 like the Greeks right that’s true that’s
01:08:51 true because we’re supposed to be in the
01:08:53 world and not of the world you’ve got a
01:08:56 point
01:08:57 um and that’s part and that’s what it
01:08:59 means to be the good fruit yeah
01:09:02 the good fruit in poor ground
01:09:06 yeah anyways so I’m not sure what to
01:09:09 think of the foreground right now but
01:09:10 but I do I think
01:09:12 I think I think that this is just
01:09:15 talking about various scatterings right
01:09:17 now oh yeah yeah this is right this is
01:09:21 what I see this is what I see is just
01:09:23 the Lord’s scattering away people to
01:09:26 raise up righteous fruit to raise a
01:09:28 righteous seed just like it talks about
01:09:31 in
01:09:32 Jacob chapter two right and I agree with
01:09:36 that I’m just maybe trying to spend a
01:09:38 little too much time trying to figure
01:09:39 out which one yeah I I don’t think I I
01:09:42 don’t think that
01:09:44 I don’t know that we’re going to
01:09:46 um at least not in a at least not in a
01:09:49 night yeah I don’t know I know not not
01:09:52 tonight anyway okay so we should
01:09:54 probably do 24. yeah I think yeah I
01:09:57 think it’s best to move on at this point
01:09:58 yeah you want to uh read some Kesley
01:10:00 sure
01:10:02 and I came to pass that the Lord of The
01:10:04 Vineyard said again unto his servant
01:10:06 look hither and behold another Branch
01:10:09 also which I have planted behold that I
01:10:12 have nourished it also and it hath
01:10:14 brought forth fruit
01:10:17 yeah okay yeah he’s not talking about
01:10:21 whether the fruit’s good or bad here so
01:10:23 let’s in order to get that detail you’ve
01:10:26 got to read another verse yeah so let’s
01:10:28 do 25
01:10:30 and he said unto the servant look hither
01:10:32 and behold the last behold this have I
01:10:35 planted in a good spot of ground wait a
01:10:38 minute is 25 actually a different branch
01:10:41 from 24.
01:10:43 um the last I think is the one that you
01:10:45 just did so I think it’s referring to 24
01:10:48 off of my inclination right now but good
01:10:53 um I’m not 100 sure okay I mean
01:10:57 it’s it’s a it’s a good it’s it’s a good
01:11:00 way to look at it
01:11:02 keeps me from overthinking
01:11:05 okay go ahead counseling behold this
01:11:08 have I planted in a good spot of ground
01:11:10 and I have nourished it this long time
01:11:13 and only a part of the tree hath brought
01:11:16 forth tame fruit and the other part of
01:11:18 the tree hath brought forth wild fruit
01:11:20 behold I have nourished this tree like
01:11:23 unto the others
01:11:26 so whatever group this represents they
01:11:28 had good and bad right people right and
01:11:31 which makes me think
01:11:34 that this is
01:11:37 the nephite branch
01:11:40 that was scattered to to the North
01:11:43 American continent because it’s placed
01:11:46 in a good spot around
01:11:48 um there’s nothing by a good a good spot
01:11:52 of ground is a spot of ground wherein it
01:11:54 does not have to compete
01:11:58 with a whole lot of other things
01:12:01 so
01:12:03 um
01:12:04 I would wonder if this is the good spot
01:12:07 of ground that the Nephites were on I
01:12:10 would wonder if more if this is the
01:12:11 jaredites because there was good and bad
01:12:13 the jaredites at first that’s true at
01:12:17 the end later it’s just my inclination
01:12:20 is it’s less likely to be
01:12:23 the Nephites labor nights right now
01:12:26 because they get pulled in later as we
01:12:28 looked at like okay well let’s take it
01:12:30 well let’s take a look and see let’s
01:12:32 take a look and see as we go through if
01:12:35 it’s possible that this could just be a
01:12:38 later revisitation to the same place
01:12:42 because it’s seen because it’s it it
01:12:45 seemed to me that I remember that they
01:12:48 revisit the same places
01:12:51 um they do it times
01:12:54 um but I I so I but let’s go with your
01:12:58 theory for now yeah I I anyways it’s a
01:13:01 possibility but I would be more inclined
01:13:02 to think jaredites here but it is
01:13:04 interesting that it is a good spot of
01:13:06 ground right yeah so basically when
01:13:09 you’re when you’re when you’re talking
01:13:11 about Horticulture a good spot of ground
01:13:13 is a spot of ground where they does not
01:13:14 have to compete with other growing
01:13:16 things for its nutrients whereas these
01:13:20 the poor spotted ground
01:13:21 we’re talking about a place where it has
01:13:23 to compete with a lot of things
01:13:24 including possibly trees and other trees
01:13:29 and other uh and other things
01:13:32 so if if this is Jared ice like I’m
01:13:36 suggesting uh that’s back with Abraham
01:13:40 time right yeah well but that would kind
01:13:44 of have a kind of undercut yeah the
01:13:47 jaredites were the jaredites were
01:13:49 pre-abraham
01:13:51 uh the erudites were at the Tower of
01:13:53 Babel yes Abraham was around that time
01:13:57 well yeah yeah yeah but yeah you’re
01:14:01 right
01:14:02 um
01:14:03 he was young
01:14:05 Rod if I remember correctly well that’s
01:14:08 if you that’s if you put much that’s
01:14:10 only if you put that’s only if you put
01:14:12 much on the book of Josh or is that only
01:14:15 in the gesture that’s only in the Joshua
01:14:18 um
01:14:18 in the Joshua narrative
01:14:20 so if you put a lot of weight on the
01:14:22 Book of Joshua then yes uh I don’t put a
01:14:25 lot of weight there so that was
01:14:26 something that would be something we’d
01:14:28 have to go uh because
01:14:30 uh because uh
01:14:36 Joshua has problems we’ll just yeah
01:14:38 Nimrod had Nimrod was the founder of the
01:14:41 Tower of Babel and he and it was during
01:14:45 his Reign that the Tower of Babel was
01:14:48 that the languages were confounded
01:14:49 because of the Tower of Babel and it’s
01:14:53 that is the thing that sends the
01:14:55 charadites off which all right but I do
01:14:58 think Abraham was alive around that time
01:15:01 though but let’s
01:15:02 that may be that maybe it depends
01:15:05 that depends but it depends on but for
01:15:09 me right now it depends on the
01:15:10 harassment
01:15:12 okay go ahead yeah so for me uh for me
01:15:16 though at this point that would depend
01:15:17 upon the veracity of the Book of Joshua
01:15:20 well if it’s only in Joshua I would
01:15:22 agree with that but I let’s just let’s
01:15:25 Sidetrack a little bit just out of
01:15:26 curiosity because it might help us to
01:15:29 understand if this is a different
01:15:31 iteration of the same of people on the
01:15:35 same of of trees on the same land well
01:15:38 one thing
01:15:39 um let’s before we do the other thing I
01:15:42 was thinking of let’s
01:15:45 actually now let’s let’s go do a little
01:15:50 Bible
01:15:52 oops
01:15:55 fine mine
01:15:59 instead of curiosity let’s see
01:16:03 let’s do
01:16:07 okay
01:16:10 Abraham runs
01:16:12 2000
01:16:15 Abram I have a lot so I mean it ways
01:16:20 Tower of Babel is before 2100.
01:16:23 the 2091 God sends Abraham it sends
01:16:28 Abram to Egypt
01:16:30 so Abram might have been able to be
01:16:32 there
01:16:33 um
01:16:34 Abraham was had Isaac around a hundred
01:16:39 years right right
01:16:43 uh yes he was a hundred he was 101 years
01:16:46 old yeah so
01:16:49 um
01:16:50 go according to this timeline right he
01:16:54 could have been alive
01:16:58 um ah let me move this
01:17:01 oh yeah I’m trying to get a calculator
01:17:05 move this so
01:17:09 2066 YouTube what
01:17:12 minus 101 no it’s plus yeah oh sorry
01:17:16 plus one on one you’re right you’re
01:17:17 right you’re right so that’s 2167 he was
01:17:21 alive he could have been yeah he very
01:17:25 well could have been it just says before
01:17:26 2100. it doesn’t say win before 2100.
01:17:29 okay so it’s not exactly but uh but I’m
01:17:33 saying but what I’m saying I am giving
01:17:35 you that it is not outside the realm of
01:17:37 possibility right right so
01:17:40 um you’re right this is not very
01:17:43 accurate there
01:17:45 um we can see
01:17:49 let’s maybe just look at one other
01:17:52 mm-hmm
01:17:56 yeah the uh chronology maybe chronology
01:17:58 of the Bible Wikipedia maybe I don’t
01:18:01 know
01:18:05 okay they’re using a um
01:18:11 and it’s really General really yeah
01:18:13 that’s more
01:18:16 yeah that’s not helpful
01:18:18 not for what we want right now anyways
01:18:25 what about this one
01:18:27 oh that
01:18:29 no the the one with the the one with the
01:18:32 yellow and the green and the one with
01:18:34 the yellow and the two greens
01:18:36 this one that one see if that gives us
01:18:39 anything
01:18:45 [Music]
01:18:48 no not really no uh that doesn’t even go
01:18:52 up to the flood
01:18:53 let’s see
01:18:56 uh
01:18:58 let’s go it’s kind of iffy which makes
01:19:02 sense but I do think it’s close
01:19:05 like because it talks about dinosaurs as
01:19:07 opposed to the flood but anyways yeah
01:19:11 um
01:19:14 yeah that one’s
01:19:16 let’s try this one
01:19:29 [Music]
01:19:30 okay this is the history of the Bible uh
01:19:34 from yeah it doesn’t have Abraham really
01:19:36 so
01:19:38 that was useful yeah
01:19:42 um Maybe
01:19:44 Bible History
01:19:46 [Music]
01:19:47 okay so after these three I guess we’re
01:19:49 done
01:19:50 oh let’s see
01:19:54 first Noah
01:19:56 okay that’s unless it lets it zoom in oh
01:20:06 marriage of Abraham and Sarah
01:20:09 what does this have here
01:20:12 um
01:20:12 lot here
01:20:14 oh here we go
01:20:17 Abraham right here yeah Abraham right
01:20:20 here
01:20:21 where is Tower did they have Tower of
01:20:24 Babel anywhere yeah Abraham was alive at
01:20:27 while Noah was that’s interesting
01:20:31 well it does it seems to be more of a
01:20:34 Semitic
01:20:37 um well so this gets in the issue of
01:20:39 Ages of Abraham’s dad when he had him
01:20:44 and and some of those other people right
01:20:46 right
01:20:47 and so
01:20:50 uh that’s actually going to make that
01:20:53 even more difficult and I’m sure that’s
01:20:55 anyways
01:20:58 so we’ll just leave it at the Realms of
01:21:01 possibilities and we don’t know it’s
01:21:03 hard now I guess yeah it’s getting kind
01:21:06 of I think we’re I I think that I think
01:21:09 that’s I
01:21:13 I think it’s just in the Realms of
01:21:15 possibilities and we don’t know for sure
01:21:16 one way or the other
01:21:19 yeah
01:21:21 agreed
01:21:23 it’s an interesting to speculate but
01:21:25 anyways okay
01:21:26 first are we on 26.
01:21:31 I oh actually I want to do one other
01:21:34 thing I wanted to look do search for
01:21:38 good right right uh it was a good good
01:21:44 it wasn’t just good though it was good
01:21:47 spot was that the spot yeah
01:21:56 hmm okay twice and 25
01:22:03 and 43.
01:22:05 the same words
01:22:08 same spot of land
01:22:10 I did plant in a good spot of ground
01:22:13 yeah this is that section that you’re
01:22:15 talking about was about the Nephites and
01:22:17 lamanites right
01:22:19 so 44 I also did that down which was
01:22:23 cumbered upon the spot of land that is
01:22:28 guys so that that makes me lean towards
01:22:31 24 25 being jaredites
01:22:36 um
01:22:37 but
01:22:38 that’s just my leaning and we don’t know
01:22:40 for sure but
01:22:42 I did plant in a good spot of ground
01:22:45 let’s go see
01:22:47 I planted in a good spot of ground
01:22:50 if it’s it could be the same right
01:22:54 it’s worded in a way that it might not
01:22:57 be but it is interesting that 45 he went
01:23:01 took stuff out that was there before
01:23:03 right
01:23:05 because I did because I plugged out
01:23:08 or no where’d it go
01:23:11 oh no sorry 44. ha ha uh and I be hosted
01:23:15 I also cut down which covered this part
01:23:17 of ground that I might plant this tree
01:23:19 and instead thereof yeah so
01:23:22 the fact that it’s saying had to bring
01:23:24 something out that it was already there
01:23:26 leads me also to think that 24 and 25 is
01:23:30 the jaredites
01:23:31 um
01:23:32 [Music]
01:23:38 you want to repeat that man yeah give it
01:23:40 give it give it a give it a sec I I I
01:23:43 can’t hear him if you’re talking to me
01:23:45 Steven so I’m sorry Ben could you please
01:23:48 repeat that
01:23:52 [Music]
01:23:54 there’s a branch
01:23:56 new branches have been brought in
01:23:59 as opposed to the second time they come
01:24:01 around as opposed to just waiting and
01:24:03 singing what comes off as a friendship
01:24:05 okay so he’s talking about uh
01:24:10 basically
01:24:13 looking to see if the
01:24:17 I’ll let him explain that because
01:24:19 there’s a lot of steps it’s a lot of
01:24:22 steps and
01:24:24 so okay so I think I I can see where
01:24:28 you’re getting this where you’re getting
01:24:30 that that are those are the jaredites I
01:24:33 can see your reasoning for it I think
01:24:35 though that it’s important to see
01:24:37 whether or not the lord of the vineyard
01:24:39 and the servant of the vineyard
01:24:41 cut down and replace
01:24:44 or do what or do they just nourish dug
01:24:48 about prune and and uh wait and see what
01:24:53 comes off of the fruit as we read
01:24:55 forward uh sure that makes sense
01:24:58 um because if they if it doesn’t state
01:25:01 if it if other than
01:25:03 it it you know there’s nothing this says
01:25:07 that I’ve also cut down that which
01:25:10 cumbered this spot of ground but it
01:25:11 doesn’t mean that that didn’t happen
01:25:13 prior to 25.
01:25:15 sure sure right right so we we need to
01:25:18 do some more reading because we don’t
01:25:21 jump like 20 verses yeah exactly
01:25:26 important yeah so let’s be bereans make
01:25:29 sure that we’ve got this right sure sure
01:25:31 no no but
01:25:33 um there is some support but we need to
01:25:37 continue reading and see if that is the
01:25:39 case right right we need to see if it
01:25:41 all adds up yeah yeah and that that’s
01:25:43 fair that’s that’s completely fair right
01:25:45 because I’ll tell you I don’t have those
01:25:47 20 verses memorized
01:25:48 [Laughter]
01:25:51 I’m being honest I have a hard time
01:25:53 right I have a hard time remembering my
01:25:56 name if it’s not yelled at me for at
01:25:58 least twice a day
01:26:01 [Laughter]
01:26:04 all right uh uh Zach are you willing to
01:26:07 read uh 26 and 27
01:26:11 yep
01:26:18 Lord of The Vineyard said the servant
01:26:22 walk off the branches that have not
01:26:24 brought forth good fruit and cast them
01:26:27 into the fire
01:26:29 okay so that here here the Lord here’s
01:26:32 God telling here’s the father telling
01:26:34 the son what to do with the with the
01:26:37 with that tree and and just off my
01:26:40 inclination I think it’s related to 25
01:26:42 but that’s not everything right it’s
01:26:44 just something right but but and and
01:26:46 it’s not and as we’re about to read it
01:26:49 doesn’t actually happen
01:26:52 okay the sun says verse 27.
01:26:57 Zach
01:27:00 but behold the servant says to him
01:27:03 let us prune it and think about it and
01:27:05 nurse it a little longer
01:27:07 perhaps it may bring forth good fruit
01:27:09 unto thee
01:27:11 installment that thought cancel it laid
01:27:16 up against the season
01:27:18 so uh yeah they’re they’re gonna try
01:27:20 some more now that can go with the
01:27:22 jaredites but that can also go with
01:27:24 other societies also success right right
01:27:27 and so so so but what we do know is that
01:27:32 it’s a society on a good spot of ground
01:27:36 with um with with no competing thought
01:27:40 processes besides he always lost
01:27:45 um
01:27:46 well there’s wild fruit so I would
01:27:49 disagree with that no that doesn’t
01:27:51 necessarily when it was brought there
01:27:54 there was no wild fruit there was
01:27:56 nothing there it was a good spot oh okay
01:27:58 we want to want to First brought there
01:27:59 yes okay I I thought you meant um
01:28:01 something else so no no it’s when this
01:28:04 is we’re still I’m still just drawing
01:28:06 the character of this branch that has
01:28:10 both the Wild and and so it’s on a good
01:28:14 spotted ground no competition from
01:28:16 anything but y’all no competition it’s
01:28:19 the always lost
01:28:20 right right uh when you first got there
01:28:22 other than the bad ideas that they
01:28:24 brought themselves right right
01:28:27 um which to me actually I think lend
01:28:29 some support for it being jaredites but
01:28:31 we need but it also lends some support
01:28:33 for it being uh Layman and labuel
01:28:38 uh they have plenty of bad ideas well
01:28:41 right but I think they ended up in the
01:28:44 good spot of land they get planted later
01:28:47 yeah but where in the where in the
01:28:51 analogy are they planted
01:28:53 right later in the 40s but anyway no
01:28:57 that’s no that that’s not how do how do
01:28:59 we know that’s a new planting that’s my
01:29:01 point how do we know well I do believe
01:29:03 it’s planted later but let’s find out
01:29:05 because I I hear your point and we need
01:29:07 to read the verses to to
01:29:10 um go one way or the other all right uh
01:29:12 sorry I’m a bit of a stickler for them
01:29:14 no no no that’s fine that’s fine that’s
01:29:17 a completely valid point and we just
01:29:18 need to read further that’s all I’m
01:29:20 saying right yep okay uh Christy are you
01:29:24 able to read
01:29:28 no okay so I’ll read 28 and it came to
01:29:32 pass that the lord of the vineyard and
01:29:35 the servant of the lord of the vineyard
01:29:37 did nourish all the trees to the
01:29:40 vineyard and it came
01:29:42 okay so they nourished them okay all
01:29:44 right right so
01:29:45 um giving him Revelation right and
01:29:48 helping them
01:29:50 um giving them helping them understand
01:29:52 the law right
01:29:54 and it came to pass a long time had
01:29:56 passed away and the Lord of The Vineyard
01:30:00 said unto his servant come let us go
01:30:02 down into the vineyard that we made
01:30:04 labor again in the vineyard
01:30:07 uh for behold the time draws near that
01:30:10 the end soon cometh wherefore I must lay
01:30:13 up fruit against the season unto my own
01:30:17 self
01:30:18 um
01:30:19 so the time draws near to the end soon
01:30:22 cometh that’s an interesting
01:30:25 phrase right but
01:30:28 um
01:30:29 I don’t even think we’ve had the point
01:30:31 where I would call that we’ve done
01:30:32 Gentiles yet
01:30:34 so I mean this could just be how
01:30:38 to soon cometh the end is soon here does
01:30:43 that mean in 2000 years the other thing
01:30:46 you have to bear in mind is that there
01:30:47 are two times
01:30:50 sorry say that one more time there are
01:30:52 two times
01:30:53 the Savior come uh the Messiah comes
01:30:57 twice right right but even once as a
01:31:01 king
01:31:02 right right and so that’s the first
01:31:04 coming the second coming but that’s two
01:31:06 times so it could very well be very
01:31:09 could be very well leading up into the
01:31:11 time of the Gentiles
01:31:13 um which was which came after the first
01:31:16 time
01:31:19 right it’s just in the end soon cometh I
01:31:23 I just well the end soon the end soon
01:31:26 cometh and yeah
01:31:29 in Joshua and Joshua and Leviticus as
01:31:32 well I’m just I think it’s just more
01:31:34 that I was trying to go off as uh the
01:31:37 end soon soon is an interesting word
01:31:39 right yes
01:31:42 that’s just more did you want to say
01:31:45 something Zach
01:31:47 no I think those someone else talking oh
01:31:52 well you’re not speaking up so I guess
01:31:54 we’ll go on no um
01:31:58 um oh Matt did you want to say something
01:32:01 I just said soon is a loaded word in
01:32:04 God’s vocabulary yes yes I think that’s
01:32:07 what we’re all kind of agreeing on right
01:32:10 that makes this part right there really
01:32:13 hard too well the thing that you have to
01:32:16 understand is that soon the word the
01:32:20 word that’s translated to soon
01:32:22 that Hebrew word also just simply means
01:32:25 surely
01:32:27 that it’s going to happen it’s a sure
01:32:30 thing
01:32:31 that’s so do you have an example off top
01:32:34 of your head that we could go look on
01:32:35 Bible Hub on that because that that is
01:32:37 interesting that that’s a good insight
01:32:41 um
01:32:42 I saw it on a funny thing is I saw it on
01:32:45 a YouTube video and I can’t remember
01:32:46 which one now
01:32:47 uh that’s fine
01:32:49 um
01:32:50 let’s Sidetrack that because that that’s
01:32:52 a that’s a good little tidbit there
01:32:54 right
01:32:55 so the thing is is that we when when it
01:32:59 says in the Bible soon so
01:33:03 let’s let’s take a look see if we can
01:33:07 look at words just words soon
01:33:11 quickly hastily of course that’s one
01:33:16 quickly rapidly
01:33:20 uh when
01:33:25 or at least so unless you you remember a
01:33:28 verse I don’t remember it is I know
01:33:35 come on
01:33:37 there’s quickly
01:33:39 because this could get in the case of
01:33:41 which I can’t remember
01:33:44 right but what like what you guys have
01:33:47 already said like what is any of this
01:33:50 time that we’ve spent on this world what
01:33:53 is that to God like that’s it’s seconds
01:33:56 absolutely nothing
01:33:58 so soon as like you guys said it’s a
01:34:01 relative word it’s
01:34:06 you don’t know how soon she is
01:34:08 yes
01:34:16 let’s see if we can do that
01:34:22 oh look at that okay
01:34:26 surely albeit
01:34:30 just beard uh okay so
01:34:35 once though only once once yeah
01:34:40 where the one at least in this case most
01:34:44 the time it looks like it’s only
01:34:47 52 right and then there’s 37 Shirley
01:34:54 and I think the next one’s 13
01:34:57 nonetheless
01:34:59 and then however nine well that’s weird
01:35:03 to get Shirley with however
01:35:06 I guess it would depend on the sentence
01:35:09 um but basically what it looks like yeah
01:35:12 yeah but only once is it soon okay right
01:35:16 so to me that’s not a very strong case
01:35:19 yeah
01:35:21 um I wonder if there’s another word so
01:35:24 go ahead Zach I just looked it up and
01:35:27 1828 good dictionary uh okay uh soon
01:35:32 yeah
01:35:34 and number three is
01:35:37 you’re getting it
01:35:47 okay
01:35:50 number three readily willingly
01:35:53 but in the sense companies would or some
01:35:56 other word expressing it well it’s
01:35:59 expressing that it will happen right
01:36:04 um which goes along with the confusion
01:36:06 thing with soon
01:36:09 um
01:36:11 readily
01:36:14 but um so this definition sounds like uh
01:36:17 what you’re saw in a video still could
01:36:19 be true and maybe it’s just a different
01:36:21 Hebrew word right
01:36:25 I may be and and I may have just
01:36:27 mentioned I may have just missed it it
01:36:29 may have just been somebody resting it
01:36:32 may have just been somebody taking that
01:36:34 one example to try to uh explain the
01:36:38 soon in the Bible
01:36:40 uh so here’s something on Blue Letter
01:36:42 Bible
01:37:00 and I
01:37:02 I think I I think it’s just somebody who
01:37:05 is just trying to come up with an extra
01:37:07 with a different explanation yeah
01:37:09 because right here that’s actually
01:37:10 translated as surely and not soon just
01:37:13 looking at at least the ES
01:37:15 the
01:37:18 um so I I don’t know what to say right
01:37:20 now no I’m I’m okay with it not being
01:37:23 I’m okay with them I’m okay with having
01:37:25 presented something that might not be
01:37:26 true sure that’s fine well that’s fine
01:37:30 and we tested it and we tried it and it
01:37:32 wasn’t true and it’s okay well it
01:37:35 doesn’t look like it right now right
01:37:37 um yeah I’m giving a little slack
01:37:39 because we don’t know what actual Hebrew
01:37:40 word but right but uh yeah so like I
01:37:44 said we tested it we proved it and we
01:37:46 saw it it wasn’t true
01:37:48 and that’s actually a good that’s
01:37:51 actually a good exercise right right but
01:37:53 Zach brought out the 1828 dictionary and
01:37:56 definition it does still bring out how
01:37:58 uh soon does not necessarily mean soon
01:38:02 and the way then there was another
01:38:04 definition that said basically
01:38:07 after that it said it’s as basically as
01:38:12 soon as this happens this will follow
01:38:15 yeah so it’s like if then right yeah
01:38:18 yeah so uh there’s some definitions that
01:38:24 of soon that are not used typically
01:38:27 which kind of goes along with the idea
01:38:30 that soon is kind of an iffy tricky word
01:38:33 in scriptures right so if nothing else
01:38:36 at least the English dictionary proved
01:38:39 that out right yep absolutely bro
01:38:43 anyways I’m not and I’m not and I’m not
01:38:46 I’m not heartbroken over you no no no it
01:38:50 was a it was an interesting idea though
01:38:51 right yeah
01:38:54 uh
01:38:55 um you wanna read 30 yeah it was an
01:38:57 interesting idea that was worth looking
01:38:58 into it
01:38:59 right right and that’s it okay you want
01:39:03 to read 30. oh yeah sure and it came to
01:39:05 pass the lord of the vineyard and the
01:39:07 servant went down into the vineyard and
01:39:10 they came to the tree whose natural
01:39:11 branches had been broken off and the
01:39:14 wild branches had been grafted in and
01:39:16 behold all sorts of fruit to cover the
01:39:18 tree
01:39:20 okay so this is a different tree that we
01:39:23 were just talking about right
01:39:25 this is different than the one this is
01:39:28 actually the original tree
01:39:30 this is the this is the original tree to
01:39:33 which they had grafted in the wild
01:39:34 branches okay
01:39:37 and again the pastor the Lord have been
01:39:38 here the servant went down to the
01:39:39 vineyard and they came to the tree whose
01:39:41 natural branches had been broken off
01:39:44 because that’s how we know it’s the
01:39:45 original trade right because it broke
01:39:47 off the natural branches of them and the
01:39:49 wild branches have been grafted in and
01:39:51 because and behold all sorts of fruit to
01:39:52 cover the tree and came to pass that the
01:39:54 Lord of The Vineyard to taste the fruit
01:39:56 every sword according to its number and
01:39:58 the Lord of The Vineyard said behold
01:40:00 this long time have we nourished this
01:40:02 tree and I have laid up unto myself
01:40:03 fruit against the laid upon to myself
01:40:06 against the season much fruit but behold
01:40:09 this time it hath brought forth much
01:40:11 fruit and there is none of it which is
01:40:13 good
01:40:14 and behold there are all kinds of bad
01:40:17 fruit and it profiteth me nothing
01:40:19 notwithstanding all our labor now agree
01:40:21 with me that I should lose this tree so
01:40:23 I don’t think that this allegory is
01:40:25 historically hitting on every historical
01:40:28 point
01:40:29 so I don’t know that it’s hitting on the
01:40:31 age on the age of the Gentiles it’s
01:40:33 hitting on
01:40:35 um
01:40:40 okay let me to me it seems like it’s
01:40:43 hitting on when the tree is when the
01:40:45 trees are producing good and bad fruit
01:40:49 so it does the age of the Gentiles later
01:40:52 on
01:40:53 more than 60s 70s uh well yeah okay
01:40:57 we’re like 30 verses away yeah yeah okay
01:41:02 but this almost sounds like maybe Israel
01:41:06 a little I
01:41:08 not that it matters
01:41:10 I don’t know that Israel itself as a
01:41:13 nation had all kinds of fruit different
01:41:15 kinds of fruit
01:41:17 um they had um yeah sure they they they
01:41:21 went after the gods of Cana that they
01:41:24 yeah they they all went after different
01:41:27 gods I suppose
01:41:30 10 tribes most of their fruit was not
01:41:33 good
01:41:34 okay now the ten yeah the ten tribes had
01:41:37 no good fruit but but here
01:41:40 I I think this is talking about Jacob as
01:41:43 a whole
01:41:45 well Jacob as a whole they didn’t really
01:41:49 keep the Commandments on a whole that’s
01:41:52 true I there was only remnants that
01:41:56 really kept okay
01:41:58 though I’m someone inclined to remember
01:42:02 yeah I can see that let’s keep going
01:42:04 forward okay uh
01:42:07 [Music]
01:42:08 um
01:42:09 pistol you wanna I think
01:42:12 uh bended part of 31 you want to do the
01:42:16 second part of 31 and 32. sure
01:42:20 okay
01:42:23 um and the Lord of The Vineyard saith
01:42:26 behold this long time have we nourished
01:42:28 this tree and I have laid up unto myself
01:42:31 against the season much fruit but behold
01:42:33 this time it hath brought forth much
01:42:35 fruit and there is none of it which is
01:42:37 good and behold they’re all there are
01:42:41 all kinds of bad fruit and it profiteth
01:42:44 me nothing notwithstanding all our labor
01:42:47 and now it Grievous me that I should
01:42:49 lose this tree
01:42:51 okay
01:42:53 interesting
01:42:54 uh but anyway interesting let’s let’s
01:42:58 move forward to the other
01:43:00 for sure there’s a lot of times in
01:43:03 Israel history that they were pretty
01:43:04 much all Wicked right right this could
01:43:07 be this could still we haven’t really
01:43:10 never we haven’t really narrowed
01:43:11 anything down no no this is still kind
01:43:14 of General still but yeah
01:43:17 um you want to do 33 and 34 kissly yeah
01:43:21 and the Lord of The Vineyards sayeth
01:43:23 unto the servant what shall we do unto
01:43:25 the tree that I may preserve again good
01:43:28 fruit thereof unto my known self
01:43:30 and the servants save unto his master
01:43:32 behold because thou didst Graft in the
01:43:35 branches of the Wild Olive Tree they
01:43:38 have nourished the roots and they are
01:43:40 alive and they have not perished
01:43:42 wherefore thou be toldest that they are
01:43:45 yet good
01:43:48 so the wild
01:43:51 so the roots are good the roots are
01:43:53 still good right because of the wild
01:43:56 branches because the wild branches are
01:43:58 prospering on the roots right right so
01:44:01 the natural branches are doing it
01:44:04 but the wild branches are
01:44:07 doing some nourishment
01:44:10 um
01:44:11 so
01:44:13 um whatever those Wilds are
01:44:16 someone someone else got put in right
01:44:20 um well they purposely grasped grafted
01:44:23 in Wild branches that was earlier in the
01:44:24 evening right right right so I’m not
01:44:26 sure who they I’m we’re not sure who
01:44:28 they are but correct but whoever those
01:44:31 wild ones were helped keep Israel
01:44:35 good right
01:44:39 okay 35
01:44:42 um
01:44:43 uh I guess I can read and it came to
01:44:45 pass that the Lord of The Vineyard said
01:44:48 unto his servant the tree Prophet mean
01:44:51 nothing and The Roots thereof Prophet
01:44:53 could mean nothing so long as it
01:44:56 bringeth forth evil fruit so even the
01:44:58 roots are good but the branches are all
01:45:01 the branches are bad it’s still they’re
01:45:03 worthless right
01:45:05 no if no good fruits coming from it no
01:45:08 anointed are coming
01:45:11 yeah nonetheless I know that the roots
01:45:14 are good for my own purposes I have
01:45:17 preserved them and because of their much
01:45:20 strength they hitherto brought forth
01:45:23 from the wild branches good fruit
01:45:27 um so yeah so the wild branches have
01:45:30 some good fruit
01:45:31 but behold the wall branches have grew
01:45:35 and have overrun The Roots thereof okay
01:45:38 now this is where the wild branches are
01:45:41 starting to get
01:45:43 um
01:45:44 too big for the riches right there
01:45:51 uh and because of the wild branches have
01:45:54 overcome the roots thereof I mean like
01:45:56 basically we’re not doing according to
01:45:58 the roots right it had brought forth
01:46:00 much evil fruit and because that it had
01:46:03 brought forth much so much evil fruit
01:46:06 thou beholders that thou it begins to
01:46:09 perish
01:46:11 um
01:46:12 and this almost sounds like it could be
01:46:15 the times of the Gentiles
01:46:22 I’m sorry this sounds like the Catholic
01:46:25 Church the wild right
01:46:28 overcoming the good roots I I hear you
01:46:31 but
01:46:32 um I would there’s some later in the
01:46:34 chapter in the 70s 60s 70s that I would
01:46:37 tie more to that than this one so I
01:46:39 think this is something else
01:46:41 and maybe they’re maybe my point is is
01:46:44 that they could all be referring they
01:46:46 could be cross referring to the same
01:46:47 thing
01:46:49 uh
01:46:50 uh I hear you on that but I don’t think
01:46:52 so but well let’s just keep reading yeah
01:46:55 uh and it
01:46:57 and it will soon come become ripened
01:47:00 that it will be cast in the fire except
01:47:03 you should do something for it to be to
01:47:07 preserve it so uh that ripening so I
01:47:12 mean
01:47:13 anyways uh that’s a bad thing right yeah
01:47:16 ripening iniquity bad thing yeah yeah
01:47:19 and that’s when you get cast in the fire
01:47:21 and that’s you know bad day bad day
01:47:25 churcher generally it would be for me it
01:47:29 would be a very bad hair day
01:47:33 well it’ll be more than just a bad hair
01:47:35 day all right but uh but it will come
01:47:39 because you’re misusing your Authority
01:47:40 right right
01:47:45 what
01:47:47 hair is uh idiom for authority
01:47:53 anyways uh and it came to pass that the
01:47:56 Lord of The Vineyards said unto his
01:47:58 servant let us go down into the neither
01:48:00 neither most parts of the vineyard and
01:48:03 behold if the natural branches have also
01:48:05 brought forth evil fruit and it came to
01:48:08 pass it they went down to the new the
01:48:10 most parts of the vineyard and it came
01:48:12 to pass they behold that the fruits of
01:48:15 the natural branches became corrupt also
01:48:17 yay
01:48:18 the first and the second and also the
01:48:22 last and they had all become corrupt and
01:48:26 the wild fruit of the last had
01:48:30 overcome and part of the tree with
01:48:33 brought forth much
01:48:34 brought forth good fruit even that the
01:48:37 branch had withered away and died
01:48:43 I I don’t know but I hear what I’m
01:48:46 seeing is up before at 400 A.D at the
01:48:51 time at about 400 A.D every wit of this
01:48:53 had been fulfilled
01:48:58 um
01:49:01 because the lamanites would overcome the
01:49:04 Nephites
01:49:06 but but we can go forward and we can
01:49:08 yeah I I don’t think we’re into the
01:49:10 lamanites and Nephites yeah to be honest
01:49:12 no I mean that’s what the that’s
01:49:16 40 41 42 43 44 and 45 that was where
01:49:21 you’re highlighted
01:49:22 I suppose so let’s let’s go because that
01:49:25 was done with 43.
01:49:27 um let’s go let’s do a 41.
01:49:31 let’s see because it is getting close to
01:49:33 that time right but let’s see
01:49:35 all of the 41 through 45 I think are all
01:49:38 describing for are all describing what’s
01:49:40 been described to us from a Viewpoint
01:49:42 standpoint from a
01:49:44 uh
01:49:46 greetings grieving Lord’s standpoint
01:49:49 sure okay all right well let’s look and
01:49:52 it came to pass that the Lord of The
01:49:53 Vineyard wept and said unto servant what
01:49:56 could I have done more from my Vineyard
01:49:58 behold I knew that all the fruit of the
01:50:00 vineyard save it where these had become
01:50:03 corrupt and now these which have once
01:50:07 brought forth good fruit have brought
01:50:09 corrupt fruit now all the trees of my
01:50:11 Vineyard are good for nothing save it be
01:50:14 hewned down and cast in the fire
01:50:17 and behold this last whose Branch had
01:50:20 withered away I did plant in a good spot
01:50:23 of ground
01:50:25 yay even that which was Choice unto me
01:50:28 above all other parts of the vineyard
01:50:33 and the double hose that I cut down that
01:50:36 which covered this ground that I might
01:50:38 plant
01:50:39 this tree in the stead thereof yes so
01:50:43 the tree from the branch from the branch
01:50:47 from yeah is the same branch that was
01:50:49 planted in the place of that which was
01:50:51 cut down which cumbered the land before
01:50:52 right so I I do the way this is kind of
01:50:57 worded going through here this does make
01:50:59 me go along with you more Ben that uh
01:51:02 the
01:51:03 what was it 23 these guys are the Lehigh
01:51:09 yeah I think I think
01:51:11 I think the difference is the different
01:51:14 the only difference that may have that
01:51:16 may have existed in our Viewpoint
01:51:18 concerning this variable is
01:51:21 how far is how far back it goes right
01:51:24 right and and but
01:51:28 um
01:51:28 leaning towards what you were stating
01:51:31 before at this point the 23 24 25
01:51:34 especially with how we just read through
01:51:36 this and and what we just read right
01:51:38 there with the 40 42 43 44 45. that does
01:51:43 sound more like the 25 ones were the
01:51:46 lehights right yeah
01:51:49 and so what I so what I and I’ll tell
01:51:53 you what I see
01:51:57 this is a parable of the break-off
01:52:00 the scattering at if you will
01:52:03 of Israel
01:52:07 because that’s the tree well that’s
01:52:09 happened multiple times though but
01:52:15 yes and he breaks off multiple branches
01:52:17 at the beginning
01:52:19 right and so we’re just trying to figure
01:52:22 out which branch or which branches are
01:52:24 which right but and my point is is that
01:52:27 and all I’m saying is that it keeps
01:52:30 revisiting the same branches scattered
01:52:34 branches
01:52:35 okay that’s that’s what I see and I may
01:52:39 be wrong I may be wrong no no that could
01:52:42 be I mean it’s been a while since I’ve
01:52:45 read the beginning of this and even what
01:52:47 I did focus on I focused more on the end
01:52:49 but anyway
01:52:52 um
01:52:54 okay so is it but this is what I’m
01:52:57 seeing and I don’t know and
01:52:59 I I am agreeing with you that I do I
01:53:02 think it makes more sense right now that
01:53:03 the 25 versus areas is the heights right
01:53:07 yes I yes I agree
01:53:10 okay given that given given just what
01:53:14 we’ve read here right right it just it
01:53:17 seems to flow better that way right
01:53:21 um
01:53:21 so actually let me pause for a minute
01:53:24 okay
01:53:31 can you see this
01:53:33 uh I can see that there are words on the
01:53:36 page I can’t really read it oh okay so
01:53:38 I’m going to take a picture with my
01:53:40 phone and then put on the computer so
01:53:41 I’m gonna go pause again but anyways
01:53:43 just so people know this is uh an
01:53:46 original 1900 Book of Mormon so I’m
01:53:49 looking at the footnotes
01:53:51 see uh oh you can’t see the night that
01:53:54 says 1900 I’ll take a picture of that
01:53:56 too so let me pause again
01:53:59 okay
01:54:03 record
01:54:05 okay so I just took some photos from my
01:54:10 phone of my 1900
01:54:13 Book of Mormon
01:54:15 um
01:54:16 printed in Salt Lake City 1900
01:54:19 um I bought this from a
01:54:21 kind of a collector’s bookstore right
01:54:24 anyways Okay so
01:54:28 the one that’s interesting the 25 okay
01:54:33 um
01:54:35 oh is on that good spot right yep it’s
01:54:40 kind of curved a little bit but you can
01:54:42 tell right go down to oh it’s America so
01:54:46 we got that right now let’s go
01:54:50 and only part of the tree hath brought
01:54:53 forth came fruit
01:54:56 that’s Nephites
01:54:59 so
01:55:01 this this 25 and on goes along with the
01:55:04 40. and on later right Q
01:55:10 of the tree has brought forth tame fruit
01:55:13 and the other part of the tree have Pro
01:55:16 fourth wild fruit go to the queue lemon
01:55:20 oats
01:55:22 uh uh fruit behold I have nourished this
01:55:26 tree like unto the other
01:55:30 uh let’s see if we can find R oh there’s
01:55:33 R okay and it came to pass that the Lord
01:55:36 of The Vineyards sit onto the servant
01:55:38 pluck off the branches that have not
01:55:40 brought forth good fruit and cast them
01:55:43 into the fire we go look at r
01:55:45 lamanites
01:55:50 um
01:55:51 are
01:55:55 s it’s supposed to be an S it looks
01:55:58 weird yeah I know uh maybe
01:56:02 and it came to pass it along that it
01:56:04 correlates to a long time have passed
01:56:06 away and that’s about 18 centuries
01:56:09 that’s what they say
01:56:11 okay I’m just trying to find it here
01:56:20 uh right there a long time
01:56:23 I don’t know about the 18th centuries
01:56:25 yeah
01:56:29 yeah the description of events points to
01:56:32 a time in in the in the next visitation
01:56:35 points to a time when all the fruit is
01:56:37 corrupt but that might be the time but
01:56:41 but we we later on we get back I mean it
01:56:45 could be 18 centuries but uh well I I
01:56:49 would say that around the 1200s
01:56:51 everything was corrupt
01:56:53 wow
01:56:55 or the 1400s all all the fruit of the
01:56:58 trees were on the on the trees were
01:57:00 corrupt
01:57:01 yeah I I write off I think that that’s I
01:57:05 still think that I still think they’re
01:57:07 grasping at straws yeah yeah so let’s
01:57:09 see what tea is
01:57:11 just because they’re saying Joseph Smith
01:57:13 on T let’s go find T
01:57:15 uh is it and said the Lord of The
01:57:19 Vineyard said unto his servant they’re
01:57:21 equating the servant here with Joseph
01:57:23 Smith no no yeah so that’s that that
01:57:27 that there is so when you get into 29
01:57:29 they start delving into brick of my
01:57:31 garbage yeah yeah so uh in fact I we
01:57:35 talked about it in the last recording
01:57:37 but I’ll just say it again right now
01:57:39 the master of the vineyard is the father
01:57:44 the servant at the vineyard is the sun
01:57:47 okay because the master and the servant
01:57:49 are there throughout throughout and
01:57:52 that’s the only one that has done that
01:57:54 is the father and the son okay so that
01:57:57 Joseph Smith and the facts and the facts
01:58:00 of the matter are
01:58:02 that 25 and 45 could be talking could
01:58:06 both still be talking about the Nephites
01:58:07 and the father could still be the Lord
01:58:09 in the sir it could still it could the
01:58:12 the father could still be the lord of
01:58:15 the vineyard and the servant could still
01:58:16 be the son
01:58:17 right I I do know though that there are
01:58:20 a lot of people to like the doctrine of
01:58:23 Christ people and and some other
01:58:26 break-offs that they do say the servant
01:58:28 is Joseph Smith and a lot of that a lot
01:58:31 of that has to do with
01:58:33 um
01:58:34 they’re not willing to refer they don’t
01:58:38 like the idea of referring to
01:58:41 um they don’t like the idea of referring
01:58:43 to Yeshua as servant
01:58:47 right but I mean the son is a servant
01:58:49 right himself he himself defined himself
01:58:52 so right I mean uh New Testament right
01:58:56 his mortal Ministry
01:58:58 um just went off top of my head I’m sure
01:59:00 there’s others but that’s the only one I
01:59:02 can think of thought right now but
01:59:03 anyway well yeah no that there he
01:59:05 defined himself as a servant right
01:59:08 right
01:59:09 um the second Ministry comes as a king
01:59:12 exactly right right uh-huh
01:59:16 um
01:59:18 oh did I take that page twice yeah I
01:59:21 guess you did okay
01:59:23 so just an island let’s see oh
01:59:28 two e let’s see if we can
01:59:33 find that
01:59:35 yeah
01:59:37 that’s two a is that I think that maybe
01:59:41 held uh two c okay 40. oh
01:59:46 no that makes sense because that’s what
01:59:48 kind of the other ones
01:59:50 oh wait but it’s not quite the area but
01:59:52 so and the wild fruit of the last that
01:59:54 overcome the part of the tree that
01:59:56 brought forth good for that’s two weeks
01:59:58 that makes sense
02:00:00 the limit I used to take over the
02:00:03 Nephites right yep and it says your 2f
02:00:06 is the Nephites well I mean it’s so
02:00:10 descriptive in verse 40. this has to be
02:00:14 the lamanite nephite thing according to
02:00:16 the narrative that is given to us in the
02:00:19 Book of Mormon the the wild fruit of the
02:00:22 last had overcome the part of the tree
02:00:23 which brought forth good fruit even that
02:00:25 the branch had withered away and died
02:00:28 the branch that brought forth good fruit
02:00:30 had withered away and died all right and
02:00:33 that that’s that’s spinning in the Book
02:00:35 of Mormon right yep the lamanites that
02:00:38 stayed or the ones that became Wicked so
02:00:42 um so that makes sense
02:00:45 so uh
02:00:47 uh uh and then again at 2i let’s see G
02:01:01 h
02:01:04 I
02:01:07 yeah and that goes along with the the
02:01:10 picture I showed earlier from the 1907.
02:01:14 um that uh Nephites in both of them
02:01:19 uh and then
02:01:22 2K is cumbered and that which cumbered
02:01:24 the jaredites yeah so that goes along
02:01:27 with what the 1907 did
02:01:30 and then yeah
02:01:33 and then the lamanites
02:01:36 yeah I think we’re I I think we’ve uh I
02:01:39 think we’ve discovered what what the
02:01:41 third branch was
02:01:45 this the third one I I don’t remember
02:01:47 the numbers but anyways yeah there were
02:01:50 there were two other branches one was
02:01:52 set on a poor spot of ground the other
02:01:54 was set on a poorer spot of ground
02:01:57 now it’s interesting though it is
02:02:00 outside and then there was this one
02:02:02 which was set on a good spot of ground
02:02:03 right right
02:02:05 um
02:02:07 this the looks like the 1900
02:02:12 um has more
02:02:14 footnotes to the Nephites and the
02:02:17 lamanites then the 1907 does because I’m
02:02:20 looking at the other one at the same
02:02:21 time
02:02:23 um yeah so they took some out
02:02:25 yeah they’ve been progressively trying
02:02:27 to water this down
02:02:32 which is but but to the per but to the
02:02:35 people who really want to know you can
02:02:37 always find out yeah yeah so I’m just
02:02:40 curious let’s just
02:02:44 uh
02:02:46 that’s 2-0
02:02:49 is that
02:02:53 uh n
02:02:56 I guess that that looks like an o oh
02:03:00 um
02:03:02 just at the top
02:03:04 next to of no word wow no worth but to
02:03:07 be hewned down and casting the fire
02:03:10 present condition of the Indians yeah
02:03:12 these people need to be shot
02:03:15 uh
02:03:18 uh well anyway there that’s that’s that
02:03:23 that’s that’s
02:03:26 uncalled for that
02:03:29 no
02:03:31 um
02:03:33 that’s not how they are now okay there
02:03:36 was a point but not right now okay right
02:03:39 I mean these
02:03:42 they’re no more in that condition
02:03:44 they’re no more in that condition than
02:03:45 we are
02:03:47 and they’re no more in that condition
02:03:49 than the people who wrote this who uh
02:03:51 you typeset this edition of The Book of
02:03:54 Mormon yeah yeah they
02:03:57 in fact
02:03:59 um I I would say they were ready to
02:04:02 listen because
02:04:04 um Joseph Smith told to send
02:04:06 missionaries to him in the DNC right
02:04:08 yeah and so they didn’t actually meet
02:04:11 like they were supposed to because some
02:04:13 stuff happened I don’t remember all the
02:04:14 details but and then and then they
02:04:16 didn’t go to the Indians
02:04:18 they went to their white neighbors right
02:04:21 right so they uh that’s a problem on the
02:04:24 early church not the Indians so anyways
02:04:27 so I don’t agree with all these
02:04:29 footnotes some of them are good some I’m
02:04:32 not
02:04:33 uh
02:04:36 okay so this just 2z
02:04:40 to D
02:04:43 Z
02:04:51 uh this might be where you start talking
02:04:53 about the Gentiles so uh we’re not there
02:04:55 yet so maybe let’s go back and if we
02:04:57 want we can go back to the picture and
02:05:00 let’s leave let’s leave the brighamite
02:05:02 garbage and go back no it’s not all
02:05:05 garbage some of it is yeah all of it
02:05:09 right not all of it not all of it’s
02:05:11 garbage
02:05:13 uh let me hit the right button button
02:05:16 press the button
02:05:19 there we go well thanks for sharing that
02:05:22 with us that was pretty cool we got some
02:05:24 more coming up but let’s let’s get to it
02:05:27 let’s get there
02:05:29 um
02:05:30 while you’re
02:05:31 I
02:05:33 let’s get there first yeah yeah that’s
02:05:35 fine that’s understandable right yep but
02:05:39 that did turn out to be some helpful
02:05:40 right yeah well it certainly it
02:05:43 certainly and certainly
02:05:46 Narrows in the thing and for me and for
02:05:49 me on a certain level it can also narrow
02:05:52 in
02:05:53 which scattering this is a prophecy
02:05:57 concerning
02:05:59 uh
02:06:00 well I do think there’s multiple
02:06:02 scatterings but but I think but I don’t
02:06:04 think they’re all incompet I don’t think
02:06:06 every scattering is encompasses I agree
02:06:09 with that because I do as we read on I
02:06:11 do think we’ll get some Gentile the the
02:06:14 yeah
02:06:18 uh I forget what verse we’re on we
02:06:22 finished 3 45. okay
02:06:25 um you want to read for a little bit Ben
02:06:26 okay
02:06:28 and now behold notwithstanding all the
02:06:31 Care that we have which we have taken of
02:06:33 my Vineyard the trees thereof have
02:06:35 become corrupted and they bring forth no
02:06:37 good fruit
02:06:38 and these I had hoped to preserve to
02:06:41 have laid up fruit thereof against the
02:06:43 season unto my own self but behold they
02:06:46 have become like under the Wild Olive
02:06:47 Tree and they are of no worth but to be
02:06:50 here and down and cast Into the Fire and
02:06:52 agree with me that I should lose them
02:06:55 but what could I have done more for my
02:06:57 Vineyard
02:06:58 have I slackened my hand
02:07:01 that I have not nourished it nay I have
02:07:04 nourished it and I have digged about it
02:07:07 and I have pruned it
02:07:09 and I have dunged it and I have
02:07:11 stretched forth my hand almost all the
02:07:13 day long
02:07:14 and the end droth nigh and agree with me
02:07:17 that I should hear down all the trees of
02:07:19 my Vineyard and cast them into the fire
02:07:21 that they should be burned who is it
02:07:24 that has corrupted by Vineyard
02:07:28 when it came to pass the servant said
02:07:29 unto his master
02:07:31 so
02:07:33 um just pause for one minute
02:07:35 um I do think 46 does talk about the
02:07:39 state of the lamanites around the 400
02:07:42 80 or 420 and some Beyond right well
02:07:47 yeah I I think but I think they’ve
02:07:51 repented
02:07:52 46 is not just referring to the
02:07:54 lamanites it’s referring to the whole
02:07:55 world the whole world every tree in the
02:07:58 vineyard
02:07:59 to be but to be cast Into the Fire
02:08:05 it’s it’s talking about which we have
02:08:08 taken oh you’re right you’re right and
02:08:10 it is poetries
02:08:11 the trees thereof have become corrupted
02:08:14 that they are right so this is like the
02:08:17 the whole world the whole apostasy yeah
02:08:22 foreign
02:08:25 I can see that okay
02:08:30 and what could I have done more in my
02:08:31 okay so who had who so who is it that
02:08:35 has corrupted my Vineyard and it came to
02:08:37 pass that the servant said unto his
02:08:39 master
02:08:40 is it not the loftiness of thy Vineyard
02:08:45 and who inspires loftiness in the
02:08:46 vineyard
02:08:48 he who inspired he he made it who made
02:08:51 himself lofty in heaven
02:08:53 uh Satan yep yeah
02:08:59 do you remember the verse that says that
02:09:01 pop your head
02:09:04 um
02:09:07 that’s Satan whom thou Hast commanded in
02:09:10 the name of mine only begotten
02:09:15 that Moses
02:09:17 inspired birds in Genesis
02:09:21 uh
02:09:23 uh chapter two
02:09:25 or chapter one very end of chapter one
02:09:30 no
02:09:32 very end of the writings proceeding
02:09:34 chapter one
02:09:38 um
02:09:39 here let’s let’s pause there’s a lot of
02:09:42 things
02:09:45 Okay so
02:09:47 oh wow
02:09:52 or do you think I should do loftiness or
02:09:55 just put Loft lofty
02:09:59 don’t get lofty
02:10:01 okay so why right
02:10:06 spelling is not my strong point
02:10:12 all right
02:10:22 nothing so far oh wait here we are
02:10:25 okay so we get those
02:10:29 quite a few actually yes and some of
02:10:33 them are actually right in line with
02:10:35 what we’re talking about here
02:10:38 um and can we get that back up again
02:10:40 yeah yeah I’m putting it in uh one note
02:10:42 remember oh yeah oh you’re right right
02:10:45 yeah that’s right
02:10:48 foreign
02:10:49 this might not be the best but I’m just
02:10:51 going to start here
02:10:55 all right okay
02:10:57 um
02:10:59 so someone want to take a turn right
02:11:01 um Christy you willing to read a little
02:11:03 bit
02:11:05 yeah I can read okay so let’s just maybe
02:11:08 start at the top and we’ll just go down
02:11:12 okay so Psalm uh 131 verse 1 Lord my
02:11:17 heart is not haughty nor mine eyes lofty
02:11:20 neither do I exercise myself in great
02:11:23 matters or in things too high for me
02:11:26 yeah
02:11:28 okay all right let’s go to the next one
02:11:30 proverbs 30 verse 13 there is a
02:11:33 generation oh how lofty are their eyes
02:11:35 and their eyelids are lifted up
02:11:39 Isaiah 2 11 the lofty looks of men shall
02:11:43 be humbled and the haughtiness of men
02:11:46 shall be bowed down the Lord alone shall
02:11:49 be exalted in that day
02:11:56 okay next one
02:12:00 okay Isaiah 2 12 day of the Lord of
02:12:03 hosts shall be upon everyone
02:12:12 out loud and lofty and upon everyone has
02:12:15 lit up and be brought low
02:12:20 okay
02:12:21 um
02:12:22 Isaiah 5 15 and the mean man shall be
02:12:28 brought down and the mighty man shall be
02:12:31 home
02:12:32 Isaiah 26 5.
02:12:34 before you bringeth down
02:12:39 that dwell on high the lofty City he
02:12:42 layeth it low he layeth it low even to
02:12:46 the ground he bringeth it even to the
02:12:49 Dust
02:12:50 Isaiah 57 7 Upon A lofty and high
02:12:54 mountain hast thou set thy bed even
02:12:57 thither went as thou up to offer
02:13:00 sacrifice oh yes this Isaiah 57 57 7 is
02:13:06 in direct relation
02:13:08 to Israel
02:13:10 and Judah whoring After idols and the uh
02:13:16 and Satan right which uh goes along with
02:13:20 what kind of going on Jacob five at this
02:13:23 point right but anyways that’s that’s
02:13:25 that’s what I was looking at when I said
02:13:27 oh yeah there’s even some that are
02:13:28 directly in line here sure let’s let’s
02:13:32 keep reading
02:13:34 Isaiah 57 15 for the saith and lofty one
02:13:39 that inhabiteth eternity whose name is
02:13:42 Holy I dwell in the high and holy place
02:13:45 with him also that is of a contrite and
02:13:48 humble Spirit to revive the spirit of
02:13:50 the humble and to revive the heart of
02:13:52 the contrite ones
02:13:55 so I didn’t need by 12 11 and it shall
02:13:59 come to pass that the lofty looks of men
02:14:01 shall be humbled and the haughtiness of
02:14:03 men shall be bowed down and the Lord
02:14:05 alone shall be exhausted exalted in that
02:14:07 day
02:14:08 uh second Nephi 12.
02:14:13 12 yeah for the day of the Lord of hosts
02:14:15 soon cometh upon All Nations yea upon
02:14:18 everyone
02:14:21 and upon everyone who’s lifted up and he
02:14:24 shall be brought low second Nephi 15 15.
02:14:29 and the mean man shall be brought down
02:14:31 and the mighty man shall be humbled and
02:14:34 the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled
02:14:36 so the loftiness that they are referring
02:14:39 to is the lofty looks as opposed to the
02:14:43 lofty one who actually inhabits eternity
02:14:47 right so let’s go back to Jacob five
02:14:53 [Music]
02:14:59 um which first was it
02:15:01 I forget
02:15:03 um
02:15:04 The Loft you know okay
02:15:07 verse 48 48 okay and it came to pass it
02:15:11 the servants that aren’t his master it
02:15:14 is not the loftiness
02:15:19 of the vineyard hath not the branches
02:15:22 that have overcome the roots which are
02:15:24 good
02:15:25 and because the branches have overcome
02:15:27 the roots thereof
02:15:29 for behold they grow faster than the
02:15:31 strength of the roots thereof and taking
02:15:34 strength unto themselves
02:15:36 uh behold they say it is is not this the
02:15:40 cause that the tree of thy Vineyard hath
02:15:41 become corrupt so
02:15:43 they’re
02:15:45 basically they’re over growing their
02:15:47 goodness and not being good anymore
02:15:49 right yeah they’ve they’ve uh you know
02:15:53 it’s really interesting in a forest the
02:15:55 branches of the trees or that which is
02:15:57 visible and the fruit is that which is
02:16:00 can be experienced in the by The Taste
02:16:02 the roots cannot be seen but it is the
02:16:05 roots that produce all these things and
02:16:08 the thing is is that at this time in the
02:16:11 world
02:16:13 um
02:16:15 Torah have been overgrown
02:16:18 well right it has been overgrown well or
02:16:23 um when we start getting if we get oh
02:16:25 it’s getting late so I don’t know how
02:16:26 long we want to keep going but if we get
02:16:28 to the point where we start talking
02:16:29 about where I think it’s where the
02:16:31 Gentiles are getting point in they
02:16:33 overgrew it pretty quickly actually for
02:16:36 the most part well yeah but it yeah I I
02:16:39 think that uh
02:16:42 that I think here is where you see right
02:16:45 here in these verses is where you see
02:16:48 the um
02:16:50 the vineyard’s all gone bad
02:16:52 it’s all bad already
02:16:55 sure and I I I
02:16:58 know we’re getting close to that area I
02:17:00 I don’t remember exactly the thing is is
02:17:03 when the Gentiles were brought in yes
02:17:05 they absolutely uh replaced pora with
02:17:10 their own Pagan beliefs
02:17:13 oh yes this is why we this is why this
02:17:16 is how Christianity exists today and
02:17:19 it’s not immediately but soon because uh
02:17:24 there are lots of the apostles were not
02:17:26 yet cold before the process had begun
02:17:29 right and
02:17:31 and
02:17:33 it didn’t even fully happen by
02:17:35 Constantine because they had to do
02:17:37 things like saying stop doing the high
02:17:39 holidays because people were still doing
02:17:41 them so it it wasn’t full but
02:17:44 Constantine
02:17:46 really pushed it I would say absenteen
02:17:48 put Constantine buried it
02:17:50 yeah yeah
02:17:54 he and the and the and the restoration
02:17:57 and and the restoration that was
02:18:00 attempted with Joseph Smith
02:18:03 only uncovered a few things
02:18:05 sure it it it got it started
02:18:08 and that and just meant that he was
02:18:11 supposed to but as
02:18:13 I always forget second Nephi 13 or 14
02:18:16 states that he wasn’t going to do at all
02:18:18 right no he wasn’t supposed to do it all
02:18:21 he was supposed to in the Book of Mormon
02:18:24 we have in the Book of Mormon we have
02:18:26 much of his gospel
02:18:30 right
02:18:32 if not if not well technically it
02:18:37 depends on what you’re defining as his
02:18:38 gospel
02:18:39 uh well so the book is the fullness of
02:18:43 the Gospel but it doesn’t it has
02:18:46 um let’s go find the verse
02:18:49 um
02:18:49 first Nephi 13.
02:18:52 uh
02:19:05 first Nephi 13 verse 34 I believe
02:19:10 thank you
02:19:11 I have cited this one so many times
02:19:15 trying to explain the we don’t have the
02:19:19 fullness
02:19:21 um maybe it’s 14.
02:19:24 no it’s uh I’m in the wrong Nephi
02:19:31 yeah first Nephi 13 verse 34.
02:19:38 okay
02:19:41 but it came to pass that the angel of
02:19:44 Yahweh spake unto me so just FYI
02:19:48 um since we’re here
02:19:50 the angel of Yahweh
02:19:52 is Yahweh and this is the Angel that’s
02:19:55 been speaking to Nephi throughout this
02:19:58 whole Vision right is this angel of
02:20:01 Yahweh which is Yahweh it’s not the Holy
02:20:04 Ghost
02:20:05 he’s seen Yahweh face to face yeah I I’m
02:20:09 just putting that out there
02:20:11 that it’s not the holy spirit that he’s
02:20:13 talking to it is Yahweh it’s the angel
02:20:17 of Yahweh all right anyways and it came
02:20:19 to pass that the angel of Yahweh spake
02:20:21 unto me Nephi saying behold saith the
02:20:24 Lamb of Elohim after I have visited the
02:20:27 remnant of the House of Israel and this
02:20:30 Remnant which I have
02:20:32 speak is the seed of thy father
02:20:34 wherefore I have visited them in
02:20:37 judgment and smitten them by the hand of
02:20:39 the Gentiles and after the Gentiles do
02:20:42 stumble exceedingly
02:20:44 so then they’re gonna fall right the
02:20:46 Gentiles because of the most plain and
02:20:49 precious parts of the Gospel of the Lamb
02:20:51 which have been kept back by the
02:20:54 Abominable Church on primarily the
02:20:57 Catholic church right which is because
02:20:59 all other Christian churches Spring from
02:21:01 it
02:21:04 or the Eastern Orthodox which is
02:21:07 supposedly Eastern Catholic yeah but
02:21:10 even Martin Luther when he left it he
02:21:12 still did a lot of kept a lot of the
02:21:14 things that they did that he shouldn’t
02:21:16 have done but anyways that’s another
02:21:17 subject which is the mother of Harlot
02:21:21 saith the lamb I will be merciful unto
02:21:23 the Gentiles in that day and so much
02:21:25 that I will bring forth unto them in my
02:21:28 own power much of my gospel which
02:21:31 shall be plain and precious saith the
02:21:35 lamb
02:21:37 lunch
02:21:38 much not all
02:21:40 right oh wait wait are you sure are you
02:21:43 sure
02:21:45 I m u c h that’s much
02:21:50 yeah
02:21:53 uh wait a minute should we go to the
02:21:55 dictionary do we need dictionary maybe
02:21:57 hey proofread it make sure it says that
02:22:01 I I am pretty sure though
02:22:07 um just to promote myself a little bit
02:22:10 real quick
02:22:12 um
02:22:14 much is different than all
02:22:23 132 claims that Joseph Smith brought it
02:22:26 all where we just read right there in
02:22:28 the Book of Mormon that
02:22:31 um Joseph Smith already brought for much
02:22:34 so
02:22:36 um if anybody wants to go read that I’ll
02:22:38 put it in the notes but yeah I just I
02:22:41 think it’s I I think we can I think it’s
02:22:44 probably a good idea to stop here okay
02:22:46 so let me pause
02:22:50 but I I do think that it’s good to note
02:22:59 you know until we receive a
02:23:02 because of the nature of the written
02:23:06 word
02:23:09 and the way that it has been corrupted
02:23:11 over time
02:23:13 it has been met translations have
02:23:15 changed things things are
02:23:20 until God’s power is restored
02:23:25 and until we once again receive
02:23:27 additional scripture to clarify
02:23:32 we will be
02:23:37 um
02:23:38 we’ll be trying to figure things out
02:23:40 we’ll be in that land of much of the
02:23:44 much of the full much of my gospel right
02:23:46 well you will not receive the fullness
02:23:48 until his power is again restored
02:23:52 yeah
02:23:53 um well I I do believe the mining strong
02:23:57 one will be coming soon
02:23:58 but as soon as an interesting word
02:24:04 as we have discovered tonight yeah well
02:24:07 I mean we knew it before that but we
02:24:09 brought it out tonight uh I do believe
02:24:12 he will bring forth more right in fact
02:24:15 the DNC talks about how
02:24:17 Yahweh will bring another one to bring
02:24:19 Commandments again I do believe that is
02:24:21 the mining strong one but anyways uh oh
02:24:25 do you want to say something Zach
02:24:27 do you remember the
02:24:30 the
02:24:32 Crazy Horse prophecy what I shared
02:24:36 Discord
02:24:37 oh yes
02:24:40 is that
02:24:42 could that like fit with
02:24:44 Jacob probably was talking about
02:24:46 oh I I
02:24:48 um
02:24:50 can you get it again real quick sure
02:24:51 let’s do a pause while we’re getting it
02:24:55 all right Zach here’s here’s the picture
02:24:58 you want to read it real quick
02:25:02 the Red Nation to rise again and it
02:25:05 shall be a blessing for a sick world
02:25:07 the world filled with broken promises
02:25:09 selfishness and separations
02:25:12 a world longing for light again
02:25:15 I see a time of Seven Generations when
02:25:17 all the all the colors of mankind
02:25:20 will gather under the sacred Tree of
02:25:22 Life
02:25:23 and the whole Earth would become one
02:25:24 Circle again
02:25:26 prophecy a very crazy horse yeah so I
02:25:29 believe this this goes along with what I
02:25:31 see in the Book of Mormon and and lots
02:25:33 of other prophecies right first of all
02:25:35 the Red Nation lamanites so rise again
02:25:38 oh yeah uh 35
02:25:42 21 and 22 are some big ones on that one
02:25:45 first
02:25:46 D5 13 first Nephi 13 and 30 and 14.
02:25:51 right yeah
02:25:52 um goes along with that
02:25:54 uh and there’ll be a blessing for the
02:25:57 sick world yeah because they’ll be
02:25:58 giving out
02:25:59 um Torah right they’ll start listening
02:26:02 to it because they’re gonna
02:26:04 they’re gonna get well look they’re
02:26:06 gonna be sick of what everything that
02:26:07 he’s gonna mention in just a minute like
02:26:09 selfishness and separation no light you
02:26:13 know and that light is a symbol for
02:26:15 Torah and I see it time as Seven
02:26:17 Generations so I I would take this seven
02:26:21 as symbolic as in the perfect number
02:26:24 right the fact that he’s talking about
02:26:26 the fact that it’s both the Seven
02:26:29 Generations is capitalized though that
02:26:31 may have been added later
02:26:33 um
02:26:35 it indicates symbolic
02:26:38 um
02:26:39 yeah but in the Book of Mormon doesn’t
02:26:41 have to be caps but I I could see how
02:26:44 we’re not in the Book of Mormon I’m just
02:26:46 talking about all right
02:26:48 that they’re trying to make it obvious
02:26:50 that this is symbolism yeah I I can see
02:26:53 and then put making it caps is trying to
02:26:55 put some emphasis on it right yeah as
02:26:58 symbolism they’re just making it obvious
02:27:00 right right and this is symbolic
02:27:03 when all men and all colors are all men
02:27:06 will gather under the sacred tree of
02:27:08 life and that that’s Yeshua right and
02:27:12 the whole earth will become one Circle
02:27:14 again as in United right because we’re
02:27:17 all going to be United under yahweh’s
02:27:20 one heart one mind and that one heart
02:27:23 one mind is the heart and mind of God
02:27:27 right not our own that we all are
02:27:30 fighting over what no it’s my heart and
02:27:32 mind that we’re supposed to unite to
02:27:34 it’s yahweh’s art and mind which is
02:27:38 revealed to us a good idea what it is in
02:27:40 the scriptures through all of the
02:27:42 scriptures right not just not just a few
02:27:46 verses that you like to get the doctrine
02:27:48 in Christ it is all of them it is
02:27:51 revealed in
02:27:54 remember remember
02:27:56 the law is what God is going to uh tell
02:28:00 you in your heart he’s gonna just give
02:28:02 it to you
02:28:04 Andrew
02:28:06 Crowley’s Bible away but Aleister
02:28:09 Crowley’s Bible back under the table no
02:28:12 no don’t put it under the table I’ll
02:28:15 show you what you need to do that you
02:28:16 need to burn it burn it yeah no I’m
02:28:19 sorry I grabbed the wrong mode
02:28:23 go burn that book go burn that book
02:28:25 right here here here’s
02:28:29 here’s all the verses I know to go burn
02:28:31 it okay I have
02:28:33 uh
02:28:35 one two three four five I have five
02:28:39 passages it says to go burn it yep go
02:28:42 burn it make it make it make it a smoke
02:28:45 make it make it a pile of ashes and
02:28:47 Cinders yeah good thing I’m just joking
02:28:50 [Laughter]
02:28:55 um yeah we yeah we all play on that we
02:28:58 all play on that but the the facts of
02:29:00 matter are is if you if any of if
02:29:02 anybody here does have an Alistair
02:29:04 Crowley Bible they do need to burn it
02:29:06 well what I’m what I’m saying is that
02:29:08 that whole idea of God will reveal the
02:29:11 law to your heart just
02:29:14 only through personal revelation is
02:29:16 adoption of demons I believe
02:29:18 well oh we got to be careful with it
02:29:22 right because he can reveal it and it’s
02:29:24 both written on your heart but yeah and
02:29:28 today if the people who are using that
02:29:30 are saying that it’s something
02:29:32 completely different that’s already been
02:29:34 revealed in the scriptures well these
02:29:37 these same people are saying
02:29:40 that the law was done away with the
02:29:43 sacrifice of Christ
02:29:45 and and they’re wrong in fact I have a
02:29:49 record if you want to watch it I highly
02:29:51 recommend it
02:29:53 uh how many recordings have we done on
02:29:55 this particular topic Stephen uh a lot
02:29:58 and we’ll probably be doing more but
02:30:03 no doubt this is a big deal though right
02:30:06 yeah
02:30:07 um but here’s a recording where I go
02:30:11 over tons of Book of Mormon verses after
02:30:14 yeshua’s death and Resurrection it shows
02:30:17 Torah is still valid okay yeah yeah
02:30:19 it shows that they still sits long but
02:30:22 you know what that’s because there’s
02:30:24 lots of verses and they’re and we talk
02:30:25 about themselves yeah it shows it shows
02:30:28 that they still think rhetorically
02:30:30 exactly so what was
02:30:33 uh nailed to the cross was the law of
02:30:35 Moses and that’s the difference
02:30:37 Ventura uh and I have a recording on
02:30:41 that
02:30:42 and I think that rhetorically that’s a
02:30:47 great word I think I should uh I think I
02:30:49 should uh
02:30:56 so I’ll just show you today
02:30:59 uh so I had one quote from Joseph Smith
02:31:03 stating that law Moses and Torah was
02:31:05 different I actually I spent some time
02:31:08 and we probably won’t we don’t have time
02:31:10 to go over them but I’ll just show them
02:31:12 to you
02:31:13 um I found more
02:31:15 okay well uh so here
02:31:19 these are so those are jsts okay that go
02:31:24 along with it which through Joseph’s
02:31:25 well a lot of references the law of
02:31:28 carnal Commandments right right that
02:31:32 carnal Commandments is law Moses and
02:31:35 it’s done away with but here here’s
02:31:37 uh quotes from Joseph Smith showing that
02:31:40 they’re the carnal Commandments is done
02:31:43 away with okay right I found some more
02:31:47 and then here it is same thing using the
02:31:51 word La Moses or phrase law of Moses
02:31:54 there’s some more
02:31:56 so I’m searching today
02:32:00 yeah love love Moses the the thing is
02:32:04 that God
02:32:07 here’s the thing the law of Moses is not
02:32:11 the entirety of Torah
02:32:13 in fact it is
02:32:16 merely a it’s merely a punishment
02:32:19 inflicted by the upon the people for
02:32:22 their breaking Torah oh yeah so on so
02:32:26 okay so like just like the law of
02:32:29 circumcision all these laws of carnal
02:32:31 Commandments circumcision law of Moses
02:32:33 they were all punishments inflicted upon
02:32:37 the people for breaking Torah okay so
02:32:40 let me let me show you this one thing I
02:32:42 found I thought was cool so let me that
02:32:45 let me show you this one
02:32:48 um
02:32:52 since we’re going off on this subject
02:32:54 now
02:32:56 um
02:32:57 so
02:32:59 uh uh it’s on this Torah page
02:33:03 um
02:33:08 I actually didn’t write much the length
02:33:11 is because of these verses okay
02:33:14 um but in here so it’s Genesis I want
02:33:20 foreign
02:33:26 here’s Paul saying it’s nailed to the
02:33:28 cross
02:33:30 Deuteronomy
02:33:32 [Music]
02:33:34 oh it’s got to be up here
02:33:39 Genesis
02:33:41 I don’t know sorry I don’t oh here’s the
02:33:43 one I want Galatians so in here this
02:33:47 talks about Galatians the jst Galatians
02:33:50 3 12-19 it
02:33:53 the jst makes it more obvious but you
02:33:55 can still get it without the jst but I
02:33:59 find it interesting so you’ll see here
02:34:01 I’ve had this law and then I put in of
02:34:04 Moses here in uh verse 17. so
02:34:10 um now let me let me take you back to
02:34:12 what I just found some today
02:34:16 um Joseph Smith did the same thing I
02:34:19 think that’s pretty cool and I didn’t
02:34:21 know that before today okay
02:34:23 that is pretty cool but I I got it from
02:34:27 reading the context which
02:34:30 um
02:34:31 I would say Joseph Smith did too but
02:34:33 anyways let me um
02:34:35 you need to be careful with reading that
02:34:37 contextual stuff man yeah let me
02:34:42 you you absolutely cannot pause you
02:34:45 cannot read your scriptures in context
02:34:49 they must be isolated in every incident
02:34:51 not only isolate the scriptures but you
02:34:54 need to isolate
02:34:56 you need to isolate the key phrases in
02:34:58 the scriptures otherwise you don’t
02:35:00 properly understand them yes if you
02:35:02 don’t if you don’t read only half a
02:35:04 verse that’s right
02:35:09 No actually that’s left still
02:35:15 actually here let me go so just so that
02:35:17 way you know I’m not pulling anybody’s
02:35:19 leg and modifying this let’s go get it
02:35:23 from
02:35:25 the words of Joseph Smith which is where
02:35:26 I got it from
02:35:28 um
02:35:30 that’s a good little book isn’t it
02:35:33 yeah I like the digital because I can
02:35:35 search because that’s what I just did
02:35:36 for oops wrong hold on the words of
02:35:40 Joseph Smith that’s just a separate book
02:35:42 yeah so I’ll
02:35:46 go get the Kindle version
02:35:48 um
02:35:49 okay
02:35:51 it’s like ten dollars
02:35:53 so
02:35:54 who wrote it and like uh well they’re
02:35:58 supposed to be
02:35:59 so don’t trust everything in it that’s
02:36:02 from Joseph Smith okay because a lot of
02:36:04 people claim things were from Joseph
02:36:05 Smith that actually weren’t right yeah
02:36:08 like like I understand that like the uh
02:36:12 uh church history is is
02:36:14 um you know uh
02:36:18 and even he himself said if I say
02:36:21 anything to you that contradicts the
02:36:24 scriptures throw it away
02:36:27 yeah so
02:36:32 there it is so it is said again in
02:36:35 Galatians 3 19 that the law
02:36:38 of Moses or a political war was added
02:36:41 because of transgression yes let’s show
02:36:44 this myth right there
02:36:47 repeat again that’s kind of cool that I
02:36:50 I I was uh putting that in what we at uh
02:36:54 yeah but it follows it up is awesome
02:36:57 because it equates the gospel it equates
02:37:00 the gospel with Torah
02:37:04 um let me go back not not in so many
02:37:07 words per se but he says it was added to
02:37:09 the gospel
02:37:10 yeah what book is this that you’re
02:37:12 reading uh this is the words of Joseph
02:37:15 Smith Edition so here’s the following
02:37:19 words of Joseph Smith deluxe edition and
02:37:22 then it adds other stuff to it because
02:37:24 it has yeah it has multiple things and
02:37:27 it has the words of Joseph Smith the
02:37:28 teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
02:37:30 which actually this is actually from
02:37:32 this section because you see that’s the
02:37:34 part that’s highlighted okay
02:37:37 um but there are some other things that
02:37:38 I got in searching that was actually
02:37:40 from the words of Joseph Smith but just
02:37:42 not this one I was just pointing this so
02:37:44 I think it’s cool that I did that with
02:37:46 Galatians 3 and then I saw Joseph Smith
02:37:48 did it too right what we asked was this
02:37:51 little attitude if it was not added to
02:37:53 the gospel well it’s funny that you’re
02:37:55 bringing this up because I’ve been
02:37:57 reading this book this week called
02:37:58 Joseph in the gap
02:38:00 oh I don’t know that one
02:38:03 and there’s a few things that I don’t
02:38:04 know if I agree with in here as well but
02:38:08 um that’s what I’ve been seeing here too
02:38:10 is that he was kind of
02:38:13 um
02:38:13 he talked about the law a little bit and
02:38:15 it seems like they were trying it
02:38:18 the Lord was trying to give them the law
02:38:20 but they weren’t following it they
02:38:22 weren’t keeping it and so therefore that
02:38:24 that’s why
02:38:25 we don’t understand condemnation yeah
02:38:28 yeah uh and one time brought up in DC 59
02:38:33 in the end where it states you know
02:38:36 keep the law and the prophets you don’t
02:38:39 have to pray about what’s in the law and
02:38:40 the prophets it’s just yeah just do it
02:38:47 but why don’t we go to that why don’t we
02:38:49 go to that okay did you want all the
02:38:51 stuff outside of this uh part in the no
02:38:53 no I just it must be plain that it was
02:38:55 added to the gospel yeah without it
02:38:58 because of transgression which describes
02:39:01 what happened right yep exactly and and
02:39:05 that actually goes along with Galatians
02:39:07 3 430 years after Abraham right so let’s
02:39:12 actually go back
02:39:13 um let’s let’s go uh look up that
02:39:16 scripture and Doctrine Covenant section
02:39:18 59 so that so that we can prove to the
02:39:21 to the zealous viewer because they will
02:39:23 have to be zealous at this point
02:39:25 that
02:39:30 [Laughter]
02:39:34 that uh that I’m that I’m not just
02:39:37 making this crap up
02:39:38 [Music]
02:39:40 it’s near the end I remember that okay
02:39:43 here it is here it is
02:39:45 okay
02:39:46 in nothing Duff Man offend God verse 20
02:39:50 starting in verse 21 and nothing does
02:39:52 man offend God or against none as his
02:39:54 wrathkindled save those who confess not
02:39:57 his hand in all things and Obey not his
02:40:01 Commandments
02:40:02 behold this is according to the law and
02:40:05 the prophets you just don’t get more
02:40:08 plain than that obeying the Commandments
02:40:10 is according to the law and the prophets
02:40:12 wherefore trouble me no more concerning
02:40:15 this matter okay so we I just want to
02:40:17 make sure that people know this is
02:40:18 Yahweh speaking to Joseph Smith the
02:40:22 prophet saying stop asking me if I’m if
02:40:25 you’re supposed to keep these
02:40:26 Commandments that are in these stop
02:40:28 asking me if you’re supposed to observe
02:40:30 the Sabbath
02:40:33 uh and how you’re supposed to observe
02:40:36 the Sabbath
02:40:38 because I don’t think it’s just the
02:40:41 Sabbath because it does say Commandments
02:40:43 right amen but yeah but this part but
02:40:45 the whole thing the whole thing is is
02:40:47 the whole chapter refer moment more of
02:40:49 the chapter talks about the Sabbath than
02:40:51 anything right the the there’s a lot in
02:40:53 the beginning and mid or whatever that
02:40:56 does talk about the Sabbath but obey not
02:40:58 behold this is according to the law and
02:41:00 the prophets wherefore trouble me no
02:41:01 more concerning this matter if it’s in
02:41:03 the law and the prophets
02:41:04 we know that it’s from him
02:41:07 right
02:41:08 [Music]
02:41:09 but learn that either who doeth the
02:41:12 works of righteousness shall receive his
02:41:14 reward even peace in this world and
02:41:17 eternal life in the world to come right
02:41:20 and I I do find it interesting
02:41:23 um that this Revelation was given on a
02:41:27 lunar Sabbath
02:41:28 happened to be a Sunday we can go
02:41:32 um but it’s interesting that Joseph
02:41:35 Smith Never Said really what day the
02:41:38 Sabbath really was right no they just
02:41:42 kind of went with Sunday
02:41:44 uh well I think he did try to did you do
02:41:47 Sunday or Saturday I can’t remember
02:41:49 there’s there there is a quote of his
02:41:53 which indicates which could be used to
02:41:55 indicate a Saturday Sabbath
02:41:58 um
02:41:59 all right or an attempt to go to a
02:42:01 Saturday Sabbath and I know that the
02:42:04 strangites who are trying to follow in
02:42:06 in the footsteps of what they believed
02:42:09 he was supposed to do uh went to a
02:42:11 Saturday who went to a Saturday Sabbath
02:42:14 uh so uh this brings I I could bring
02:42:17 another thing if you guys want to keep
02:42:18 going but real quick let me finish with
02:42:20 this that when it was given it was on a
02:42:24 lunar Sabbath yes
02:42:26 but it’s interesting to me that Yahweh
02:42:29 didn’t tell him when it was
02:42:31 but there were a lot of other pretended
02:42:33 prophets that did say uh that it was
02:42:36 Saturday right in fact Friday night to
02:42:38 Saturday night which is not the case for
02:42:41 multiple reasons
02:42:44 you never claimed anything the other
02:42:47 interesting thing is
02:42:49 Not only was it a Sabbath a lunar
02:42:52 Sabbath
02:42:53 but it immediately proceeded a new moon
02:42:56 day
02:42:58 yeah
02:43:00 which uh just starts a new a news cycle
02:43:05 oh man he was just the Lord’s just
02:43:09 trying so hard
02:43:10 to make it so obvious
02:43:13 well for whatever reason it wasn’t time
02:43:16 to bring that out yet so but it goes
02:43:19 along with uh much was restored but not
02:43:22 all right yeah right exactly exactly but
02:43:26 my thing is there Joseph Smith does not
02:43:29 have a revelation through Yahweh stating
02:43:32 exactly when the Sabbath is or how to
02:43:34 find it right right
02:43:36 so but anyway so except that all things
02:43:41 in the Commandments are according to the
02:43:43 law and the prophets right and I I think
02:43:46 if he was that was the Lord is telling
02:43:49 him to study it out
02:43:50 exactly and that’s how I found it it was
02:43:54 by studying it out I did have some help
02:43:56 from others right
02:43:58 um for those who are interested this is
02:44:02 my main page for that
02:44:06 um there’s multiple aspects to it
02:44:10 um
02:44:11 and I actually
02:44:13 not to scare people away but I need to
02:44:15 add some more but anyways this is a good
02:44:17 start if anything just go listen to this
02:44:20 YouTube playlist
02:44:22 just listen to it while you’re doing
02:44:23 other things but okay so you don’t even
02:44:25 have to read but
02:44:28 um on Strega night
02:44:30 um here here’s an interesting thing that
02:44:33 I came across if you guys want to spend
02:44:35 some more time with me
02:44:37 um
02:44:39 so I have an interesting belief that I
02:44:43 talk about occasionally but I generally
02:44:45 don’t make it a big deal
02:44:47 um but I believe yeshua’s
02:44:52 father was Joseph
02:44:55 Mary’s husband okay
02:44:58 um
02:44:59 and that Mary was
02:45:02 a Hebrew Maiden you meaning a woman of
02:45:07 child bearing Aid okay now
02:45:10 [Music]
02:45:11 um
02:45:13 so why bring this up string nights
02:45:16 believe that also oh yeah and exactly
02:45:19 show the book so this is a book I
02:45:22 recommended to Zach on it and they’re I
02:45:24 think this is this guy’s passion because
02:45:25 he looks at a lot of old manuscripts
02:45:29 that shows it doesn’t exact
02:45:33 uh as in we believe in the Bible as far
02:45:37 as translated correctly and or uh
02:45:39 because it’s more than just translation
02:45:41 right because it’s well
02:45:44 to me of all the branches of the
02:45:47 restoration the strangites are the most
02:45:49 interesting for study
02:45:52 well
02:45:53 they yeah they have their problems
02:45:55 because I’m not saying that they’re true
02:45:57 I’m just saying that they’re not
02:45:58 interesting for study purposes
02:46:01 um they claim uh straight night claimed
02:46:04 a new holiday on the Gregorian calendar
02:46:06 instead of the lunar solar I know has
02:46:10 his faulty
02:46:12 he was there was a lot about him that
02:46:14 was wrong I’m just saying
02:46:19 but I’m just saying that they’re
02:46:21 interesting for study yeah yeah yeah so
02:46:24 Stephen Stephen what you’re telling me
02:46:27 is that you don’t believe in the
02:46:30 Immaculate Conception
02:46:31 uh exactly now yeah I don’t believe that
02:46:35 um actually just for detail purposes
02:46:37 here Immaculate Conception is actually
02:46:39 Mary
02:46:40 not uh I get that but again yeah I don’t
02:46:45 believe in either one of those whatever
02:46:48 yeah well I yeah I don’t believe that
02:46:51 God committed adultery with Mary right
02:46:54 so on that point
02:46:58 um
02:46:59 okay
02:47:00 we’ll get to these verses in a minute
02:47:02 but before when you
02:47:06 when Mary is espoused to Joseph
02:47:10 if
02:47:11 God the father or whoever you think
02:47:14 happened right to get it to happen
02:47:17 that is committing adultery that’s
02:47:20 against Torah
02:47:23 okay and then on top of that so if Mary
02:47:28 committed adultery well she didn’t
02:47:30 because it was Joseph’s was the father
02:47:33 but if she did commit adultery Torah
02:47:37 states that she should be stoned to get
02:47:40 rid of that wickedness
02:47:42 from among you I don’t remember exactly
02:47:44 how it stated so the fact that the
02:47:47 Catholic Church modified the text to
02:47:50 make it sound like he was just going to
02:47:51 put her away privately I don’t believe
02:47:55 because Torah States specifically to
02:47:59 stone for that sin
02:48:02 yeah
02:48:05 well one thing that kind of clued me
02:48:07 into the fact that I thought that that
02:48:08 was kind of bogus is the fact that you
02:48:11 know that’s like the immaculate
02:48:14 conception thing
02:48:16 that’s very much an occult
02:48:19 thing
02:48:21 that’s that’s for mystery Babylon in
02:48:24 Egypt so but yeah the things I was like
02:48:27 I I don’t I don’t buy this right because
02:48:31 it partly
02:48:33 the reason that happened so Mary could
02:48:35 be sinless so she could have the the
02:48:38 child without yeah under the right
02:48:41 context sex is not sinful no it’s not
02:48:44 it’s in fact it’s actually a very good
02:48:47 thing right right but I think it’s more
02:48:49 of they’re trying to make it so Mary
02:48:53 didn’t have the original sin
02:48:56 um is more what that’s going on it’s not
02:48:58 sex itself but some people think Mary
02:49:03 stayed a virgin even after that but
02:49:06 um he has
02:49:10 um the point is I don’t the original sin
02:49:13 was not sexual the original sin was
02:49:16 questioning the word of God that’s true
02:49:18 I get that right
02:49:21 um but yeah it wasn’t sexual like some
02:49:23 people make it out to be it was they
02:49:26 sinned
02:49:27 um
02:49:29 whether if it was a physical fruit or
02:49:32 just symbolic I don’t know
02:49:34 um I I could go either way on that but I
02:49:36 I it’s not something I’m worried about
02:49:38 but
02:49:40 um
02:49:41 but the way that the Catholic Church
02:49:43 tells that goes against Torah on
02:49:46 multiple aspects like we just talked
02:49:48 about too but here this is interesting
02:49:50 let’s go look at the jst
02:49:53 that makes it sound like that’s not
02:49:55 what’s going on okay so this is Luke one
02:49:59 or jst Luke 1 34-35 and when Mary said
02:50:04 unto the angel
02:50:05 how can this be
02:50:09 look at what Joseph Smith got rid of
02:50:13 Joseph Smith crossed out seeing I know
02:50:16 not a man
02:50:19 he crossed that out got rid of it
02:50:23 and then 35 and the angel answered and
02:50:27 said unto her of the Holy Ghost that’s
02:50:30 it that is a huge addition right there
02:50:41 so and the angel answer said unto her of
02:50:45 the Holy Ghost of the Holy behavior and
02:50:49 right of the Holy Behavior Torah because
02:50:51 he is of Torah right and it’s prophesied
02:50:54 in Torah
02:50:56 it doesn’t and look it says shall come
02:50:58 unto thee it didn’t say that the Holy
02:51:00 Ghost comes unto Mary Joseph Smith got
02:51:02 rid of that that’s another big thing
02:51:03 that he got rid of there right that’s
02:51:05 huge yeah and the power of the highest
02:51:10 doesn’t overshadow me but just of the
02:51:14 Holy Ghost and the power of the highest
02:51:17 therefore also that that holy child
02:51:21 shall be born of thee shall be called
02:51:24 the son of God
02:51:27 that those have multiple huge changes to
02:51:31 me
02:51:32 pretty much gets rid of the Greek not
02:51:36 having sex
02:51:38 first or conception right
02:51:41 yeah
02:51:42 the author of this he keeps repeating
02:51:46 that
02:51:47 Israelites
02:51:49 like pretty much all the time thought
02:51:52 your children were
02:51:54 presented by the Holy Spirit or
02:51:56 something like that
02:52:01 the thing is in order to be a
02:52:05 the interesting thing is when you take
02:52:07 the translation from the Hebrew as well
02:52:11 it doesn’t say that you’re going that
02:52:13 she is
02:52:15 that she’s with child by the Holy Ghost
02:52:19 because by like some Spirit it says with
02:52:24 childish which means the holy Behavior
02:52:28 well uh so this what Zach’s bringing out
02:52:31 probably goes back to Genesis in the
02:52:33 creation how God grieved his Spirit into
02:52:36 them and I can I can see that right
02:52:39 there right absolutely especially with
02:52:42 uh taking shall come upon thee because
02:52:45 that these going to marry were Yes
02:52:49 actually the Holy Spirit goes more along
02:52:52 with the Genesis line right yeah and
02:52:54 it’s also in line with the Hebrew
02:52:57 translation
02:52:58 with child overall hakodesh
02:53:01 right
02:53:04 or the holy Behavior the Holy Light the
02:53:07 holy breath
02:53:11 right
02:53:12 has a lot of um
02:53:16 has a few meanings uh yeah you have to
02:53:19 take context into play yeah but I I can
02:53:22 see that with what Zach was just
02:53:24 bringing out right yeah going back to
02:53:26 Genesis yeah
02:53:28 so how all children born with the Holy
02:53:31 Spirit like you were just saying right
02:53:32 and the power of the highest okay
02:53:36 so
02:53:37 okay well uh
02:53:39 I I would right now take that to me it’s
02:53:42 God he’s got the power but well yeah
02:53:46 it’s
02:53:48 which makes me if with this getting rid
02:53:51 of that no not a man shall come upon
02:53:54 thee shallow and with all these things
02:53:56 that are taken away it makes me wonder
02:53:58 if Mary
02:54:00 um
02:54:02 was in a position where she thought she
02:54:04 was Barren or something
02:54:08 because she asks how could this be
02:54:11 right that ah
02:54:14 that’s interesting right
02:54:18 right
02:54:23 but but this also indicates given our
02:54:26 modern medical knowledge
02:54:29 is that it that her barrenness like
02:54:32 Hannah’s might possibly just have been
02:54:34 the result of a misaligned misaligned
02:54:38 uterus
02:54:39 well so maybe Mary’s question is not
02:54:43 Barren issue but just that it’s God
02:54:47 right
02:54:49 um because that is a big deal right yeah
02:54:54 um because he shall be so and I’m just
02:54:56 trying to think but the other reason why
02:54:58 I think it’s Barren is because and
02:55:00 behold thy cousin Elizabeth she also
02:55:03 hath also conceived a son in her old age
02:55:10 we’re talking about somebody here who
02:55:13 believes it is impossible that she can
02:55:14 conceive right right
02:55:19 but
02:55:22 um
02:55:23 it does thou art blessed among women so
02:55:29 I thought Mary was relatively young at
02:55:31 this time well that’s uh that’s a common
02:55:33 that’s actually a fairly common
02:55:35 technically
02:55:37 um
02:55:39 they were considered a marriageable age
02:55:42 at a much younger time
02:55:45 I I’ve seen I’ve come across the things
02:55:48 of that nature and I
02:55:50 yeah they weren’t waiting for sure but
02:55:54 they weren’t waiting for 18 and then
02:55:56 saying you know go and discover the
02:55:57 world some and have a good time and then
02:56:01 get married
02:56:04 so if you if you think if you feel good
02:56:07 about it then get married we’re not in a
02:56:10 hurry to have grandchildren
02:56:12 [Laughter]
02:56:17 so I mean some people’s I I don’t know
02:56:21 if they were having kids at 14.
02:56:23 but
02:56:25 um it’s definitely younger than today’s
02:56:28 society well
02:56:30 there’s quite a few records of children
02:56:33 being born to girls who were 14 15 16
02:56:37 years old quite a few oh yeah I mean I
02:56:39 know that happens today but no I’m
02:56:41 talking about then I’m talking about
02:56:42 that yeah I I know and it was perfectly
02:56:45 legal and it wasn’t perfectly legal
02:56:46 marriages uh a man a boy was considered
02:56:50 a boy was a boy who had his bar mitzvah
02:56:54 his introduction into manhood and it’s
02:56:56 taking up of a trade when he was 12.
02:57:00 right
02:57:02 um they they didn’t they’re back then
02:57:05 there just wasn’t this huge hang up on
02:57:07 oh let the kids kids experience life a
02:57:11 little
02:57:12 if I may I think it’s because uh in a
02:57:15 lot of ways they had to grow up quicker
02:57:18 right now right and life was life was
02:57:21 harder wow
02:57:24 um
02:57:24 so but how long did they learn the trade
02:57:27 before they
02:57:28 they got married so they’re anyway yeah
02:57:31 there is that and there are still things
02:57:33 up in question well there was also there
02:57:36 were also a lot of there were also a lot
02:57:37 of marriages of young girl of young
02:57:39 women to older men
02:57:42 marriage was an arranged thing yes it
02:57:45 was arranged back then so there was a
02:57:47 lot of marriages of young girl young
02:57:50 people who we would consider teenage
02:57:52 girls to 30
02:57:55 even 40 year old men
02:57:58 sure
02:58:00 um but anyways you know marriage
02:58:02 marriage is marriage according to the
02:58:05 according to the world’s ideals has
02:58:07 never been it has never been terribly
02:58:10 ideal
02:58:12 um
02:58:14 yeah in terms of in today’s society
02:58:18 where they think oh it’s all about love
02:58:20 we have a lot more divorces and other
02:58:22 problems exactly
02:58:24 it it’s not just a feeling it’s it’s
02:58:27 more about it should be more about
02:58:28 commitment than feelings in fact
02:58:30 yesterday if you love me keep my
02:58:33 Commandments that sounds like if you
02:58:34 love me
02:58:36 endure to the end have the commitment
02:58:38 yes marriage has gotten yeah marriage is
02:58:42 about a commitment uh and in Israel
02:58:45 America that marriage but that marriage
02:58:48 to another man was also symbolic of
02:58:51 their marriage to Jehovah
02:58:56 that marriage to a man was also symbolic
02:58:58 of their marriage to yehovah
02:59:01 yeah and a lot of the marriage imagery
02:59:05 in the scriptures go along with the
02:59:09 galileanan marriage if I remember
02:59:12 correctly
02:59:14 um in fact let me see if I can
02:59:19 oh find it real quick
02:59:23 [Music]
02:59:25 so maybe here
02:59:28 each
02:59:29 or no maybe
02:59:38 if I can
02:59:40 oops
02:59:43 [Music]
02:59:46 let me see maybe this is what I’m
02:59:48 looking for
02:59:54 no that’s not what I’m looking for
02:59:59 oh I’ll have to try to find it later but
03:00:01 there there’s a good
03:00:03 video I have about he a Galilean
03:00:06 marriage that helps us understand a lot
03:00:10 of the symbolism in fact even to the
03:00:12 point where it’s the father that knows
03:00:15 when the bridegroom goes and gets his
03:00:18 um bride which goes along with imagery
03:00:21 that goes with the second coming right
03:00:23 in the New Testament oh absolutely it’s
03:00:25 a yeah I think I I if I
03:00:29 I may I may know what you in which video
03:00:32 you’re talking about well
03:00:35 but I don’t
03:00:38 don’t remember what the title of it is
03:00:41 yeah I
03:00:43 I can’t remember
03:00:45 I have too many notes
03:00:49 foreign
03:00:54 but
03:00:56 um
03:00:58 just as in talking about string nights
03:01:00 string Knights believe
03:01:02 that Mary or Joseph is the father of
03:01:07 Yeshua also just as I do
03:01:11 um I I yeah and there it is pretty much
03:01:14 like in the jst right
03:01:18 I mean there’s some things there still
03:01:20 could be questionable because maybe
03:01:21 she’s wondering why she was the Chosen
03:01:24 and blessed right
03:01:26 um to birth him but so but anyways uh I
03:01:32 I think it’s pretty I think it’s a
03:01:33 pretty to me it’s a pretty open and shut
03:01:36 case especially when you
03:01:37 cut out given what’s specifically cut
03:01:41 out
03:01:46 oh yeah that that she did not know a man
03:01:49 yeah and the overshadowing and coming
03:01:53 upon and yeah that this all these
03:01:57 all the all the language that is all the
03:02:01 language that he speaks anything sexual
03:02:03 right so as we talked about earlier
03:02:06 about how Brigham Young didn’t like the
03:02:08 jst Brigham Young twists this version
03:02:12 the King James to make it sound like the
03:02:14 holy ghost or or a Heavenly Father first
03:02:18 um
03:02:18 Jesus with Mary right and where he
03:02:22 Joseph Smith takes that out no wonder
03:02:25 Brigham Young hates the jst he’s
03:02:29 the jst exposes Brigham Young’s lies it
03:02:34 exposes Brigham Young’s lies and it
03:02:37 exposes his blasphemies because he’s
03:02:40 basically stating that Christ is a child
03:02:43 of whoredom
03:02:45 yeah because adultery right because
03:02:48 right he was engaged
03:02:50 to Joseph
03:02:53 um
03:02:54 so according to Jehovah an engagement is
03:02:58 as good as a marriage yeah in fact it is
03:03:02 in in Torah law it’s the same as a
03:03:05 marriage other than you you you’re the
03:03:09 two spouses can’t have sex yet you have
03:03:11 to wait for the wedding for that but for
03:03:14 uh committing adultery it is the same
03:03:17 right
03:03:19 um so
03:03:20 but anyways
03:03:22 um which is what which is what which is
03:03:25 why it’s actually a good suggestion to
03:03:26 have long courtships and short and short
03:03:29 engagement periods
03:03:31 so I know that’s what they say but in
03:03:34 general Hebrew ones were a year
03:03:40 uh the engagement right the well yeah
03:03:43 yeah I get it but but I won’t be honest
03:03:46 the Jews also do short engagements now
03:03:49 also
03:03:50 sometimes yeah we do the engagement and
03:03:54 actual wedding in the same ceremony now
03:03:56 because of some obvious modern day
03:03:59 issues
03:04:03 try to do that to avoid the issue but
03:04:06 anyways that doesn’t really fix the
03:04:07 problem right because they’re just doing
03:04:09 it before anyways I’m talking about a
03:04:13 drive-by wedding
03:04:16 well it’s not drive by it it’s still
03:04:18 they have a ceremony but they do the
03:04:21 engagement in wedding sometimes at the
03:04:23 same time
03:04:24 um to avoid some issues but that doesn’t
03:04:26 make a lot of sense but oh well because
03:04:29 and is the is the length of Engagement
03:04:32 actually actually stated in Torah
03:04:36 uh
03:04:38 uh no I I’m inclined to think the year
03:04:41 is tradition but I’m not sure one way or
03:04:43 the other but I’m inclined to think
03:04:46 I I I’m inclined to think it’s tradition
03:04:48 too for the simple reason that I have
03:04:51 been I’ve been going through Torah from
03:04:54 top to bottom and I haven’t seen one
03:04:56 reference to it uh sure sure but that
03:04:59 doesn’t it it takes time to catch
03:05:01 everything but anyways I I’m I’m
03:05:03 inclined to think it’s tradition but 100
03:05:06 sure
03:05:08 anyways
03:05:09 but that’s a little interesting little
03:05:10 tidbit
03:05:12 where I I do believe
03:05:15 the jst supports my belief that Joseph
03:05:18 Mary’s husband is yeshua’s physical
03:05:22 father mm-hmm
03:05:24 is not just adopted as crucidum tends to
03:05:28 push
03:05:29 and I believe I’ll put in notes uh of
03:05:33 that book that Josh I mean Zach put up
03:05:36 there’s tons of scholarship on it tons
03:05:39 that book is what 300 pages I don’t know
03:05:43 how how big is it Zach
03:05:46 and is that that looks more like 600
03:05:48 pages
03:05:53 or is it citation of other Scholars
03:05:56 under 90.
03:06:01 well he does do like a
03:06:03 he he sorts original sources I have it
03:06:06 in Kindle and I’ve read
03:06:08 some of it not all of it because that’s
03:06:11 because that’s the thing is I founded a
03:06:14 lot of these things that seem to be well
03:06:16 researched if you actually look at their
03:06:17 sources they’re just quoting other
03:06:18 Scholars uh this one quotes original
03:06:21 sources okay
03:06:23 you also like responds a lot to them
03:06:27 you know Christian says like no it’s
03:06:30 this way
03:06:32 yeah
03:06:36 the thing I like about it most is it’s
03:06:39 quoting some old manuscripts and
03:06:43 um including some Aramaic ones right
03:06:46 that shows
03:06:50 um that Joseph is the father and it’s
03:06:53 not
03:06:54 the the Greek virgin never had sex that
03:06:58 Mary is just it’s she’s a Hebrew Maiden
03:07:02 woman of childbearing age well and that
03:07:05 is the fact that that is the case
03:07:07 honestly really uh adds fuel to my fire
03:07:12 for why I say that the Gentiles hijacked
03:07:16 yeshua’s Church
03:07:18 oh
03:07:20 um
03:07:21 yes and no I think it they yes and no
03:07:26 uh because I think they were on the
03:07:29 Gentiles were true believers
03:07:31 but they brought in their Pagan ways and
03:07:34 after time they didn’t have the
03:07:37 Hebrews
03:07:39 to keep it under they did them out yeah
03:07:43 they did them out they hijacked the
03:07:46 gospel
03:07:48 well and I I we’ve talked about it even
03:07:51 just in Prophecy with um
03:07:54 Abraham’s daughter
03:07:57 no not Abraham’s uh Jacob’s daughter
03:08:02 and marrying
03:08:04 to
03:08:06 I forget the second second is a prophecy
03:08:10 of that right because they were fooling
03:08:13 around with each other yep so anyways
03:08:18 um I mean yeah yeah you’re right the
03:08:21 Gentiles are not completely to blame for
03:08:22 it all but no there’s
03:08:25 there’s multiple to blame in that
03:08:29 including the Jews okay
03:08:32 um but anyways
03:08:34 um but but the gospel is best on
03:08:38 but the but it’s the Gentiles that made
03:08:41 it
03:08:43 that frowned upon trying to understand
03:08:45 the gospel from a Hebrew lens
03:08:50 yeah
03:08:51 um but when you’re a convert you need
03:08:53 you need a teacher and a leader and the
03:08:57 the the Jews didn’t do what they were
03:08:59 supposed to on that no they didn’t they
03:09:02 did not there there’s
03:09:03 blame to go around okay yeah
03:09:07 it’s just
03:09:11 Joseph Smith taught people right you you
03:09:13 are to find
03:09:15 a good teacher okay well just think
03:09:17 about that
03:09:18 yeah you can’t you can’t you can’t just
03:09:22 be going at it in the dark okay God
03:09:25 instruct me
03:09:27 yeah and let me go on my high hill and
03:09:30 figure out what you want me to do yeah
03:09:33 we’ll go look at the doctor in Christ
03:09:34 people they say they’re getting these
03:09:37 Revelations telling them what to do in
03:09:39 their heart but they’re all arguing with
03:09:40 each other right they’re all
03:09:42 contradicting each other and that’s not
03:09:43 of God
03:09:45 that is Satan yeah I would expect
03:09:48 I would expect that God would uh kind of
03:09:52 have a at least a very similar standard
03:09:55 for everybody you think you’d be
03:09:57 consistent maybe
03:09:59 um yeah no that he might not be a
03:10:02 respecter of persons like you said he
03:10:04 was
03:10:05 here let’s look at some quotes
03:10:10 what it is man what like he said that he
03:10:15 wasn’t you mean right yeah
03:10:18 you’re good I’m getting tired
03:10:21 I’m digging a pit for you because of
03:10:23 your words that’s all I’m doing don’t
03:10:25 worry yeah you know what I’m about to do
03:10:27 I’m not sure your phone
03:10:29 okay so here’s Joseph Smith we could
03:10:32 read the whole thing I’ve done before
03:10:33 but we’ll just do the last part how it
03:10:36 might be asked was it known to be a bad
03:10:38 Angel by contradicting a former
03:10:41 revelation
03:10:43 um here’s my favorite one from second
03:10:45 Nephi 29 that’s talking about the coming
03:10:49 fourth of the Book of Mormon right
03:10:52 um no you not that there are more
03:10:54 Nations than one okay we obviously know
03:10:57 that but know ye not that I Yahweh your
03:11:01 Elohim have created all men and have
03:11:04 remembered those who are upon the aisles
03:11:06 of the sea and that I rule in the
03:11:09 heavens above the Earth beneath and
03:11:10 bring forth my word unto the children of
03:11:13 men yea upon all nations of the earth
03:11:15 wherefore murmur ye because ye shall
03:11:19 receive more of my words know ye not
03:11:22 that the testimony of two Nations is a
03:11:24 witness that I am Elohim
03:11:27 and I re so if they’re stating different
03:11:31 things they wouldn’t be supporting each
03:11:33 other and we’ll get in that in a minute
03:11:34 right
03:11:35 that I remember one nation like unto
03:11:38 another like the same right not
03:11:41 differently but wherefore I speak the
03:11:43 same words unto One Nation like unto
03:11:46 another oh wait a minute do we need to
03:11:48 check the dictionary on same I think we
03:11:51 need to redefine same honestly so so
03:11:55 that we can have our so that we can all
03:11:56 have our same path individual same path
03:11:59 yeah
03:12:00 individual same path that’s yeah
03:12:04 yeah I think we I think we need to re I
03:12:08 think we need to redefine same
03:12:12 and when the two Nations shall run
03:12:15 together all they’re running together
03:12:17 because they’re doing the same thing on
03:12:19 the same path right
03:12:21 they’re running together because they’re
03:12:23 at the same place on separate paths and
03:12:25 it’s like
03:12:30 you know
03:12:34 funny but that’s kind of what people say
03:12:36 right
03:12:38 this is this this is what I’m it’s it I
03:12:42 I’m saying it kind of joking but I’m
03:12:44 serious yeah I know people say stuff
03:12:47 like that go ahead Andrew everybody
03:12:50 knows that there’s 25 million straight
03:12:52 Narrows right yeah yeah
03:12:55 wait a minute I I think that sounds like
03:12:58 the broad and wide though just I think I
03:13:01 think we need to get serious again okay
03:13:04 and when the two Nations shall run
03:13:05 together the testimony of the two
03:13:07 Nations shall run together also
03:13:10 and I do this that I may prove unto many
03:13:14 that I am the same yesterday today and
03:13:17 forever oh and so
03:13:19 if he’s doing telling people different
03:13:22 things they contradict each other it
03:13:25 wouldn’t be saying I’m the same
03:13:26 yesterday today and forever right no I
03:13:29 speak forth my words according to my own
03:13:32 pleasure so he’ll do it when he wants to
03:13:34 and because that I have spoken one word
03:13:37 ye need not suppose that I cannot speak
03:13:39 another
03:13:41 for my Yahweh Elohim work is not yet
03:13:45 finished look at this yahweh’s work is
03:13:47 not done
03:13:49 nor will it be so when he said on the
03:13:52 cross it is finished
03:13:54 he was stating the law of Moses is
03:13:58 finished
03:13:59 just like Paul stated the law of Moses
03:14:03 ended on the cross
03:14:07 um to the Cross right because yahweh’s
03:14:11 work is not finished
03:14:12 neithers and neither shall it be until
03:14:16 the end of man
03:14:18 I mean okay so I know Kessler is a woman
03:14:22 but I’m a man
03:14:23 I’m not ended yet Benzema anyways this
03:14:26 is mankind right right silly but but
03:14:29 yeah but then again it goes on even
03:14:32 after that
03:14:33 yeah neither from that time has foreign
03:14:35 so is you always worked on
03:14:38 no no
03:14:41 you always worked that was finished on
03:14:43 the cross was the law of Moses yahweh’s
03:14:47 work is never done and Torah defines his
03:14:52 work exactly so I mean we can read some
03:14:55 more if you want but I I mean I think
03:14:57 those are my two thirds I’m starting I’m
03:15:00 I’m starting to I’m starting to get
03:15:02 tired okay all right I’m gonna pause but
03:15:05 um I
03:15:07 yeah if you want to say something before
03:15:09 we pause or no no no no let’s uh

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3 Nephi (LDS 23:14) (RLDS 11:1) And now it came to pass that when Jesus had expounded all the scriptures in one, which they had written, he commanded them that they should teach the things which he had expounded unto them.

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