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00:00:02 Okay. So, um
00:00:06 last week, uh Johnny Benson gave a
00:00:10 lesson to uh our little group
00:00:15 and he went off of Elma 51 1-7 and it
00:00:20 kind of got my juices going. So, I am
00:00:23 going to do something off of Elma 51
00:00:26 1-8. Um cuz I’m not Johnny. I am a
00:00:30 different person.
00:00:32 >> So, um
00:00:35 >> I I’ll do that. I have no problem with
00:00:37 that.
00:00:38 >> Oh, that’s good. Thank you.
00:00:41 We are you deeply relieved.
00:00:44 You’re
00:00:44 >> right. But Johnny, uh are you willing to
00:00:47 read verse one for us?
00:00:51 >> Good.
00:00:54 And now it came to pass in the
00:00:57 commencement of the 20 and 5th year of
00:01:01 the reign of the judges over the people
00:01:03 of Nephi, they having established peace
00:01:07 between the people of Lehi and the
00:01:11 people of
00:01:13 Moranton.
00:01:14 >> Yes. concerning their lands and have
00:01:18 been commenced the 20 and fifth year in
00:01:21 peace.
00:01:23 Good. So, um there’s a lot of aspects
00:01:27 going along through these passages.
00:01:28 Hopefully, I’ll be able to give them
00:01:30 justice as we go through. But one thing
00:01:33 I do think relates is some of the things
00:01:37 in this verse first to kind of help set
00:01:40 up um
00:01:44 what’s going on. So um
00:01:46 >> well I do know the number 25 comes out
00:01:49 pretty a couple of times in that verse.
00:01:53 >> Yes. Actually it’s throughout the whole
00:01:54 chapter which we’re not going to do. But
00:01:56 you want to tell us do you remember what
00:01:58 25 is about? I believe,
00:02:02 and I may be mistaken on this, but I
00:02:04 believe that 25 is about um isn’t it’s
00:02:08 about grace
00:02:11 or it’s along those lines. Repentance
00:02:14 and forgiveness, which is because of
00:02:15 grace.
00:02:16 >> Yeah. Right. That’s it. Yeah. So, you’re
00:02:18 you’re on the right uh track there.
00:02:22 >> So, yes. And what happens when we uh
00:02:27 repent and receive forgiveness?
00:02:30 We receive peace.
00:02:31 >> Peace. Yes. There. That’s why we have
00:02:34 the mention of the commencing the 25th
00:02:37 year in peace. Correct. So yeah, I I can
00:02:41 understand why people say I’m just
00:02:43 reading into it, but who doesn’t?
00:02:47 The question is, is it a a valid reading
00:02:52 into it versus an invalid one? Am I
00:02:55 >> and might I might I suggest that it is a
00:02:58 valid because it mentions 25 and peace
00:03:04 twice.
00:03:06 >> Immediately following each time it
00:03:09 mentions the 25th year, it states peace.
00:03:12 And the other thing about the other
00:03:14 thing about reading reading into things
00:03:18 >> the other thing about reading into
00:03:20 things is is what are is what you’re
00:03:24 reading into something true.
00:03:26 >> Yeah.
00:03:28 >> Oh, I believe Johnny wanted to say
00:03:30 something
00:03:31 >> and and this is definitely uh picking up
00:03:35 from uh
00:03:37 Alma 50 50 verse 40. Okay, go ahead and
00:03:42 read it for us then,
00:03:43 >> which states, “Now behold, his son was
00:03:48 was his name was Bhorum and Bahorum did
00:03:53 Phil
00:03:55 build the judgment seat and did commence
00:03:59 his reign in the end of the 24th year
00:04:03 over the people of
00:04:05 Nephi.”
00:04:07 >> Yeah. So the so that does kind of bring
00:04:09 up uh some symbolism that I will bring
00:04:12 up later but I’ll since Johnny wanted to
00:04:14 read that out.
00:04:16 Horin is symbolic of of Yeshua the son.
00:04:20 Okay. And look how he did fill the seat
00:04:24 of his father which is what actually
00:04:28 >> yes happens. And
00:04:31 >> it is interesting commence in the reign
00:04:34 of the end of the 24th year. 24 has to
00:04:37 do with government. Governance. Okay.
00:04:40 >> Yep.
00:04:41 >> So, um it is interesting that the the
00:04:45 symbolic meaning is within the context
00:04:47 of what’s going on there.
00:04:50 >> Okay.
00:04:51 So, and and one thing I want to bring
00:04:53 out uh which we’ll probably make more
00:04:55 clear as we look at the different angles
00:04:58 as we go through these passages, but
00:05:00 there um there was
00:05:04 some two lands, the land of Lehi and the
00:05:08 land of Morantan. Now, I know it doesn’t
00:05:11 say the word land,
00:05:14 but where do we think the people of Lehi
00:05:17 and the people of Morantan are at? Oh,
00:05:20 the lands of Lehi and Moranton. I think
00:05:23 >> those are in the heartland.
00:05:25 >> Yes, they are located in the heart.
00:05:27 >> Yeah. Yes, they are, Johnny. Yes.
00:05:28 >> Central to America, like a lot of people
00:05:31 say it.
00:05:33 >> That is true, Johnny. But I’m focusing
00:05:35 on something else. How there’s two
00:05:37 different lands and two different
00:05:39 groups. Now, within the scriptures, the
00:05:42 land is very symbolic of the promised
00:05:45 land. Mhm. Mhm.
00:05:48 >> And the promised land is symbolic
00:05:51 of our inheritance
00:05:55 in the kingdom of heaven. Yes.
00:05:57 >> Correct.
00:05:58 >> Exactly. And so this is kind of going
00:06:00 along with how uh these two divisions
00:06:04 uh one’s heaven and one is hell. This is
00:06:06 to put it bluntly. And later on uh in um
00:06:11 verses later in the chapter that we’re
00:06:13 not going to go over today, it does
00:06:16 bring out how the people of Morantan
00:06:18 kind of went against their promise.
00:06:21 >> Yep.
00:06:23 >> Right. Which actually would does kind of
00:06:26 go along with the one of the themes that
00:06:28 I see in these verses of pre-existence.
00:06:31 Okay. So, just since we’re there, I’ll
00:06:33 kind of bring that out. Um, Andrew, will
00:06:36 you read verse two for us?
00:06:38 >> Sure. Nevertheless, they did not long
00:06:40 maintain an entire peace.
00:06:44 For there began to be a concentr
00:06:48 contention, sorry, among the people
00:06:50 concerning the chief judge Ahorin. For
00:06:53 behold, there were a part of the people
00:06:56 who desired that a few particular points
00:06:59 of the law should be altered.
00:07:02 Okay. So, I’m going to uh go forward a
00:07:06 little bit. I’ll just read these real
00:07:07 quick because I know where it is. Um but
00:07:10 in verse seven, which is not displayed,
00:07:13 but I’ll scroll down. It lists three
00:07:16 groups of people. Okay? And I’m just
00:07:19 going to read the the list um since it’s
00:07:22 going to help with what’s going on with
00:07:24 these uh there were a part of the
00:07:27 people. And in verse 7, it brings out
00:07:30 how there’s three different groups. Uh
00:07:33 group one, which caused much rejoicing
00:07:35 among the brethren behind. Okay. Uh
00:07:39 group two, and also among the people of
00:07:42 liberty.
00:07:43 Group three, which also put the kingman
00:07:48 to silence. That kingman is a third
00:07:53 part.
00:07:54 >> Yes.
00:07:54 >> Now, I know like I know Ben likes to
00:07:56 talk about this. So, did you want to say
00:07:58 something, Josh, real quick?
00:07:59 >> No, I was just like, oh, I hadn’t looked
00:08:01 at it like that before, but that that’s
00:08:04 very interesting point. So,
00:08:06 >> oftent times in Hebrew in Hebrew works
00:08:10 when it talks about a third part, it’s
00:08:12 not talking about a mathematical third.
00:08:16 >> It’s talking about we got three parts.
00:08:19 This part, this part, and this part, and
00:08:21 that’s the third part.
00:08:24 on the robe. And
00:08:26 >> so it’s kind of like so kind of like if
00:08:28 you say um
00:08:32 say you were to have four parts,
00:08:34 north,sou, east, west, and you were to
00:08:36 simply concentrate on the west
00:08:39 concentrated on the fourth part,
00:08:43 >> right? Makes sense.
00:08:46 But I can see where this has where this
00:08:48 has parallels to a third of the host of
00:08:52 heaven being cast out.
00:08:55 >> That’s actually it’s literally stated in
00:08:57 the scriptures. That’s a third part of
00:08:59 the host of heaven.
00:09:00 >> Not a mathematical third.
00:09:02 >> Right.
00:09:02 >> Right.
00:09:03 >> Um and it’s interesting.
00:09:06 >> That’s why I was saying I see the
00:09:08 parallel.
00:09:09 >> Yeah. So Porin represents Joshua. And
00:09:14 then here’s a third part that wanted to
00:09:18 adjust the law.
00:09:20 >> Now it is a one second. Uh three is a
00:09:25 number that goes along with redemption.
00:09:28 Now a pattern that is in a few places,
00:09:32 not a lot, but when you invert it, you
00:09:35 invert the meaning.
00:09:37 Yep.
00:09:38 >> Um since what’s the opposite of
00:09:39 redeemed? Well, it’s going to be the
00:09:41 damned,
00:09:42 >> right?
00:09:43 uh which is the son of preditions, those
00:09:45 who fight against Yeshua and his law.
00:09:50 [Music]
00:09:52 >> So, but go ahead, Johnny.
00:09:53 >> The the people who wanted the law to
00:09:56 change, those were the kingmen, and the
00:09:59 king men wanted the law to change so
00:10:01 they can set up a king instead of the
00:10:04 judge.
00:10:05 >> Very good. And we’ll get to more into
00:10:06 that a little later. Okay. But that that
00:10:08 is correct. Now I I did interrupt uh who
00:10:12 was reading which I actually kind of
00:10:14 forgot.
00:10:15 >> Oh, you didn’t?
00:10:16 >> Oh, it’s Andrew. So Oh, did you read the
00:10:19 last part? The witch desired a few
00:10:21 points.
00:10:21 >> Yes. Yes.
00:10:22 >> The whole verse, too.
00:10:23 >> A few particular points of the law
00:10:25 should be altered. I do love how they
00:10:28 put it that how they put a few
00:10:30 particular points of the law. uh mainly
00:10:35 anything that had to do with people
00:10:38 being free to choose.
00:10:41 >> Yeah. So, let’s go look forward a little
00:10:43 bit. Um in verse five, I’ll read two
00:10:46 points or two stanzas in the addition I
00:10:51 use, which is the earliest text to help
00:10:54 out with this. For they were desirous
00:10:57 that the law should be altered in a
00:10:59 manner and here we go. to overthrow
00:11:04 the free government and to establish a
00:11:07 king over the land. Um, so let’s go look
00:11:11 at some of these words while we’re here.
00:11:15 Um, because word definitions are
00:11:18 important. We don’t get just to make up
00:11:20 what words mean. Um, if we did that, we
00:11:23 would be able to be able to communicate
00:11:25 what we wanted to. a brief history
00:11:28 though while you were finding that while
00:11:30 you’re looking that up. Um,
00:11:33 now why it’s so essential that the
00:11:36 kingman are able to put a king over the
00:11:39 land? It’s there throughout history you
00:11:42 have people who are in the higher
00:11:46 echelons of society who wish to be in
00:11:50 control but not be the face of control
00:11:53 in case something goes wrong. And they
00:11:55 want to have a fall man. Uh and so what
00:12:00 they do is they put a puppet king
00:12:04 whom they can control or a puppet
00:12:07 president.
00:12:07 >> Yes. Who they can control
00:12:11 to do what they want done. And that’s
00:12:14 what the kingmen, I would presume,
00:12:17 because we see it time and again, wanted
00:12:19 to do was put uh trample over the rights
00:12:22 of the people and put somebody in power
00:12:25 they could control.
00:12:27 >> Uh either that they had somebody in
00:12:30 mind,
00:12:31 >> somebody they could control
00:12:33 >> or at least would uh not necessarily
00:12:35 control, but they knew was after their
00:12:37 interest.
00:12:38 >> That’s true. That too. Yeah. uh
00:12:42 for example like we have like Joe Biden
00:12:45 and uh
00:12:48 and Trump and all these other guys and
00:12:51 even President Oaks
00:12:53 >> for example we have uh Donald Trump
00:12:59 >> he’s uh he’s a puppet for
00:13:03 he’s a puppet for special interests.
00:13:05 Yeah.
00:13:06 >> Yes. So um I we could read all the
00:13:10 definitions.
00:13:12 Uh I I would say that we just uh read
00:13:14 definition three which I think is the
00:13:16 most important definition. Uh uh Ben,
00:13:20 you want to read that? instituted by a
00:13:22 free people
00:13:24 or by consent
00:13:27 or choice of those who are to be
00:13:29 subjects
00:13:31 and securing private rights and
00:13:33 privileges by fixed laws and principles
00:13:37 not arbitrary or despotic
00:13:40 as a free constitution or government.
00:13:43 Okay, so let’s go look at the meaning of
00:13:47 government. I mean that I mean that I
00:13:49 know that kind of like uh what in the
00:13:52 world but just to make sure right
00:13:55 >> in fact there are many governments in
00:13:57 history which had puppets
00:14:02 >> correct oh it’s not doing what it
00:14:05 >> not for uh government
00:14:13 >> and it’s going slow.
00:14:16 >> That’s not convenient.
00:14:17 >> Oh, there we go.
00:14:18 >> There we go. There we go.
00:14:21 >> Okay. So, there’s lots of definitions
00:14:23 here. Um, and they all pretty much go
00:14:26 along with how they have the exercise of
00:14:29 authority. They’re able to control or
00:14:31 restrain
00:14:33 uh system of poly
00:14:37 polity.
00:14:38 >> Yes. Polity politics.
00:14:40 >> Yeah. an empire, a kingdom, the right of
00:14:44 governing or administrating the laws
00:14:47 uh which also includes enforcing them,
00:14:50 right? The person or council which
00:14:52 administers the laws of a kingdom or
00:14:54 state
00:14:56 uh in management and now they’re saying
00:14:59 limbs or body, but the government would
00:15:01 be like the head uh governing the rest
00:15:04 of the people. So now let’s put these
00:15:08 two words together. What would
00:15:13 what would free government mean?
00:15:20 The laws are known.
00:15:24 They are put in place.
00:15:29 They are enforced by people by by judges
00:15:35 chosen by the people. Uh also the police
00:15:40 force would also be chosen by the people
00:15:45 >> and there’s
00:15:47 >> the enforcement. Sorry, Zach. Go on.
00:15:50 >> Yeah, I’m sorry I interrupted.
00:15:52 >> No, go on. Go on.
00:15:54 >> Um
00:15:56 what I’m looking for.
00:15:58 The laws are clear and uh clear to be,
00:16:04 you know, enforced. They’re not
00:16:05 intentionally made vague. So they can so
00:16:09 they can do a whole bunch of crap with
00:16:13 it.
00:16:14 >> Yeah. So basically no loopholes.
00:16:16 >> Yeah.
00:16:18 >> Because we don’t need what’s going on in
00:16:21 the United States where the government
00:16:22 could just make loopholes whatever they
00:16:24 want.
00:16:27 >> It’s pretty much everywhere.
00:16:28 So, and and one thing that I want to
00:16:30 bring out is how it’s instituted by the
00:16:35 free people and consent or choice of
00:16:38 those who are to be subjects. That
00:16:40 sounds like
00:16:42 >> by the voice of the people or also known
00:16:45 as in one word vote
00:16:51 >> which would which you know not to sound
00:16:55 like a not to sound like a shill for our
00:16:58 government but um they say that your
00:17:00 vote matters but in our government it
00:17:02 does not. Um,
00:17:06 it was set up originally so that your
00:17:08 vote didn’t matter.
00:17:10 >> Yeah, they make it look like it does,
00:17:12 but on the uh on the issues, your vote
00:17:16 does not matter.
00:17:17 >> Um,
00:17:18 >> and your vote does not determine what
00:17:20 the laws are.
00:17:22 >> No. Uh and technically even in a free
00:17:26 society
00:17:27 um the people should the people should
00:17:32 simply know what the laws are and uh
00:17:35 choose to obey or disobey them
00:17:39 >> being uh being fully cognizant of the
00:17:43 consequences of disobedience.
00:17:46 >> Correct? So now but uh to go along keep
00:17:50 reading further and looking at the
00:17:52 definition to overthrow the free
00:17:55 government and to establish a king over
00:17:59 the land. So um a king is uh a ruler
00:18:05 that does not have to
00:18:09 >> uh answer to anybody
00:18:12 else. Meaning they can do whatever they
00:18:16 want. It doesn’t matter what the people
00:18:18 decide. So, um,
00:18:22 Ben, you love words. You want to pick up
00:18:25 one of these definitions or or all of
00:18:27 them and help us see that a king is like
00:18:30 a monarch.
00:18:31 >> Okay.
00:18:31 >> That he can do whatever the hell he
00:18:34 start with the first one here. The chief
00:18:36 or sovereign of a nation. A man invested
00:18:39 with supreme authority. Supreme
00:18:41 authority. I mean, he doesn’t have to
00:18:45 answer anybody, does he?
00:18:46 >> Right. Basically, over a nation,
00:18:48 >> an emperor or president,
00:18:50 >> right?
00:18:51 >> Not a president, but yes.
00:18:54 >> Over a nation, tribe, or country, a
00:18:56 monarch. Kings are absolute monarchs.
00:19:01 When they possess the powers of
00:19:03 government without control or the entire
00:19:06 sovereignty over a nation, they are they
00:19:10 are limited. Okay? Kings are monarchs
00:19:13 when they have entire sovereignty. They
00:19:16 are limited monarchs when the power is
00:19:18 restrained by fixed laws and they are
00:19:21 absolute when they are when they possess
00:19:24 the whole legislative, judicial and
00:19:26 executive power or when the legislative
00:19:29 or judicial powers or both are vested in
00:19:31 other bodies of men. Uh, kings are
00:19:35 hereditary sovereigns when they hold the
00:19:37 powers of government by right uh of
00:19:40 birth or inheritance
00:19:43 and
00:19:46 >> and elective uh when raised to the
00:19:50 throne by choice.
00:19:53 Kings are tyrants.
00:19:55 >> What? Say that again.
00:19:56 >> Kings will be tyrants from policy and
00:19:58 subjects are rebels from principle.
00:20:03 That is the sentence that define that
00:20:05 defines the first definition.
00:20:09 >> Second, the second definition, a
00:20:11 sovereign, a prince, a ruler. Uh this is
00:20:14 Christ is called king of his church. Uh
00:20:17 that’s not necessarily the bad kind of
00:20:20 king. You can’t have good kings. You
00:20:21 can’t have bad kings.
00:20:23 >> Correct? And in Torah, when it says not
00:20:25 to have a king like the pagans, it’s not
00:20:28 that you can’t have a king because then
00:20:30 Yeshua being king would be breaking
00:20:32 Torah. It’s that the king is not to
00:20:35 behave like the kings of the pagans.
00:20:38 >> And I think those are the top those are
00:20:40 the two that most concern what we’re
00:20:42 talking about here.
00:20:43 >> No, no, no. There no. In history, we do
00:20:47 have like good kings and we have bad
00:20:49 kings. Well, the difference the
00:20:52 difference between good kings and bad
00:20:53 kings in history and good kings and bad
00:20:55 kings in the Bible is significant. Uh,
00:20:58 good kings are simply kings who were
00:21:01 competent,
00:21:03 not necessarily
00:21:05 when you look at the dark ages, the
00:21:07 kings of the dark ages were not good
00:21:10 men.
00:21:11 >> No,
00:21:11 >> they were just
00:21:12 >> so they were not good kings.
00:21:15 They were just
00:21:16 >> they were they were they were good at
00:21:18 they were good at
00:21:21 um
00:21:24 manipulating
00:21:26 things in their favor.
00:21:29 >> Just like our current president
00:21:31 is not a good man but he is competent
00:21:37 at what he does
00:21:39 >> and he’s doing what he was hired to do.
00:21:41 >> Yes. Divide the people.
00:21:44 Yeah. Which is destroy the country.
00:21:46 Correct. Yes. He is doing exactly what
00:21:47 he was hired to do. Yes.
00:21:49 >> Yes. Um now one thing I want to bring
00:21:51 out, there’s this contrast between free
00:21:55 government
00:21:57 and king.
00:21:59 So a king can force you to do what he
00:22:03 wants you to do. If not, he just throws
00:22:05 you in jail. It doesn’t matter if it’s
00:22:06 right or wrong.
00:22:08 >> Right? where a free government
00:22:11 uh if there is an an officer who starts
00:22:15 to behave incorrectly according to his
00:22:18 office, he can be taken out. A king
00:22:21 cannot except with much bloodshed. Okay?
00:22:25 >> Correct.
00:22:26 >> Now, so and to since I’m kind of
00:22:29 bringing this up right here, I will
00:22:30 bring out this point and this sounds
00:22:33 like Satan.
00:22:35 >> Okay.
00:22:35 >> Yes. He wanted to take away the agency
00:22:39 from men such that he could bring back
00:22:42 everybody back.
00:22:43 >> There’s no
00:22:45 uh
00:22:45 >> nobody fails. Everybody gets
00:22:47 participation trophy.
00:22:50 >> Yes. Everybody got a participation
00:22:52 trophy.
00:22:53 >> Um
00:22:56 >> election in our country and in the
00:22:59 church of the Latterday Saints. You
00:23:01 don’t have a choice in the matter. The
00:23:03 person is chosen regardless.
00:23:06 Yes. So, I I was going to get to that,
00:23:08 but since Let me finish this thought and
00:23:09 then I’ll go to that thought. So, but
00:23:12 then Satan wanted all the glory.
00:23:16 I I
00:23:19 Satan didn’t want to change his
00:23:22 character.
00:23:24 He just wanted the honor.
00:23:29 Let me do things without outside of the
00:23:33 laws. Nope.
00:23:36 to get what I want and to look good
00:23:39 rather than doing things within what is
00:23:43 acceptable ultimately to everybody when
00:23:45 they actually sit down and think about
00:23:46 it because they may say they can do
00:23:49 whatever they want but they sure hell
00:23:51 don’t like it when everybody else does
00:23:52 whatever they want to them.
00:23:54 >> Okay.
00:23:55 >> Right. Right. The the eternal double
00:23:58 standard. Yes.
00:24:01 >> Yes. We’re not supposed to make double
00:24:03 standards. We’re supposed to actually
00:24:06 make things e easier
00:24:08 >> or we we should be applying the same
00:24:10 standard to ourselves and everybody
00:24:12 else.
00:24:13 >> Yes. Yes.
00:24:14 >> Um
00:24:17 that just I mean nobody likes double
00:24:20 standards. Nobody does. Um even those
00:24:23 who are applying it.
00:24:25 >> Yes. Definitely not when the double
00:24:27 standard is applied to them.
00:24:29 >> Correct. So uh I and the other point
00:24:32 that Johnny did start to bring up I will
00:24:35 uh bring out now.
00:24:37 So um
00:24:40 when you go back to Mosiah 29 it talks
00:24:43 about how
00:24:45 uh we are to vote and it’s even here in
00:24:48 this uh verses I want to go over which
00:24:51 we’ll get to in a bit but just trust me
00:24:54 for now. We’ll get there. Okay. But even
00:24:57 uh Mosiah 29 it states that in addition
00:25:03 uh it is stated I think it’s Mosiah 29
00:25:07 if not they’re close that the voice of
00:25:10 the people is not prone to go to
00:25:13 wickedness. Okay.
00:25:15 >> So um here
00:25:18 >> the voice of the majority the voice of
00:25:20 the majority is generally will not
00:25:22 choose wickedness. Yes.
00:25:24 >> Correct. Correct. But now, but when they
00:25:26 do, they will be destroyed. Right.
00:25:28 >> Correct. Yeah.
00:25:29 >> Um, so there, if you’re worried about
00:25:34 any type of government getting corrupt,
00:25:38 do you want one person at the top
00:25:41 picking whoever’s
00:25:43 should take place or be officers
00:25:47 who could be corrupt himself and it’d be
00:25:50 easier to corrupt one person versus many
00:25:53 people? Or would you want the public
00:25:56 that is to be represented
00:26:00 by the officer to be voted by the people
00:26:03 as in the definition in the give of the
00:26:06 dictionary of free government.
00:26:11 >> Sadly, we’re supposed to be a free
00:26:12 government, but we’re not. Correct. But
00:26:15 I’m trying to
00:26:15 >> Well, Johnny, the question was, which
00:26:18 would you rather have?
00:26:20 >> Which would you rather have? I much
00:26:22 rather be uh free to choose.
00:26:25 >> There we go.
00:26:26 >> Correct. And on top of that, how likely
00:26:31 uh would a one top down more likely be
00:26:35 corrupted than a bottom up when the
00:26:38 voice of the majority are not very prone
00:26:41 to be wicked? or one man such as King
00:26:45 Noah.
00:26:46 >> Oh, is
00:26:49 when you when you have one man, the odds
00:26:51 of wickedness or righteousness is 50/50.
00:26:54 >> Yes. Now, what about when we have to
00:26:57 worry about the majority?
00:26:59 >> Well, that that mathematically those
00:27:02 odds go the odds of the odds of um
00:27:06 >> it changes through time.
00:27:08 >> Yeah, it changes through time and the
00:27:10 number of people. Uh so but the odds
00:27:12 would go the odds would go according to
00:27:17 the postulate put forward by Mosiah
00:27:21 the odds would go down for choosing
00:27:24 wickedness the more people are involved.
00:27:27 Correct. Um and I think part of it is
00:27:29 because they’re going to see how it’s
00:27:30 applied to them.
00:27:32 >> Otherwise Otherwise we’re blocked.
00:27:35 >> Now since I’m on this point I will state
00:27:38 something. Oh, I probably
00:27:40 >> um that’s uh in Let me go find it.
00:27:45 In the DNC,
00:27:47 it does bring out how Yahweh’s laws are
00:27:51 spiritual
00:27:53 and and not temporal.
00:27:56 Okay, let me There is no law that is
00:27:59 purely temporal.
00:28:02 >> No. Um so hopefully this is it since I’m
00:28:05 going to show it.
00:28:07 We’ll find out soon enough.
00:28:10 >> Yep. So, um, yeah, here it is. DC 29:34
00:28:17 through35.
00:28:18 >> Okay,
00:28:19 >> since you started, you want to read
00:28:20 that?
00:28:20 >> Wherefore, verily I say unto you that
00:28:23 all things unto me are spiritual.
00:28:27 How many things?
00:28:29 >> Everything.
00:28:30 >> All things.
00:28:31 >> Okay. All right. I just want to be
00:28:32 clear.
00:28:32 >> All things unto me are spiritual.
00:28:34 There’s no such thing as
00:28:36 >> Yes. There’s no such thing as a purely
00:28:40 physical law from LA. And not at any
00:28:44 time have I given unto you a law which
00:28:46 was temporal.
00:28:47 >> Oh, were you reading his mic?
00:28:50 >> Um, no. I was kind of extrapolating from
00:28:54 the previous statement which he then
00:28:57 spells out for us.
00:28:58 >> Yes. But you are reading his mind.
00:29:01 >> Yeah. Actually, yes, you’re right. I am
00:29:03 reading his mind. I’m reading the
00:29:04 scriptures. But hey, that’s what this
00:29:06 Guys, that’s what the scriptures are.
00:29:08 They’re the revelation of his mind and
00:29:09 will. So, you know, anytime somebody
00:29:12 says that they know better than the
00:29:13 scriptures, um you’re saying you know
00:29:15 better than God.
00:29:16 >> Yes.
00:29:17 >> And sorry they are.
00:29:18 >> So, and I’m afraid you will find
00:29:20 yourself gravely mistaken. Um but in the
00:29:24 meantime, good luck with that. Um
00:29:27 >> yeah, look at society right now. Is it
00:29:31 uh going more positive or more negative
00:29:33 now that they’re on mass ignoring Yahweh
00:29:36 more and more? The majority
00:29:38 >> it’s getting worse and worse.
00:29:39 >> The majority of people today would
00:29:41 choose evil.
00:29:44 >> Yeah.
00:29:44 >> In fact, there’s many people who are
00:29:46 leaving the churches because they want
00:29:48 to choose evil.
00:29:49 >> Well, there’s people who are leaving the
00:29:51 churches for many reasons. Uh and some
00:29:53 of them are actually quite legit.
00:29:55 >> So, I would suggest that you be careful
00:29:57 with that line of reasoning.
00:30:00 Okay. No, I don’t defend it. Be careful
00:30:03 with it.
00:30:05 >> Neither any man nor the children of men,
00:30:07 neither Adam your father whom I created.
00:30:11 Behold, I gave unto him that he should
00:30:14 be an agent unto himself. And I gave
00:30:17 unto him commandment, but no
00:30:21 temporal commandment. What? Wait, wait,
00:30:24 what? What?
00:30:26 >> You need a P on that temporal there. Oh,
00:30:29 >> then do you need a D instead of a T? An
00:30:32 A.
00:30:33 >> No, no. T E M. No, no, no, no, no. Not
00:30:36 there. T E M P.
00:30:39 >> Oh. Oh, yeah. I I caps that on my own. I
00:30:45 >> know. I gave unto him not commandment
00:30:48 but I think you meant commandment but
00:30:50 yeah
00:30:52 >> that needs to be a and comm gave unto
00:30:55 him
00:30:57 >> command this is supposed to be
00:30:59 commandment I believe
00:31:03 >> okay we’ll fix it later but temporal
00:31:06 commandment gave I unto him for my
00:31:09 commandments
00:31:11 are
00:31:13 sexual so does Does this include every
00:31:16 commandment he’s given us are spiritual?
00:31:18 >> Yes. And you know it would be
00:31:22 interesting at some point to go through
00:31:23 all those commandments. And so the
00:31:25 spiritual roots of even things that seem
00:31:28 to be purely temporal. Um
00:31:30 >> Oh, you mean the law of Moses also?
00:31:35 >> Yeah.
00:31:35 >> Yeah. Because actually the Book of
00:31:37 Mormon states that points us to Yeshua’s
00:31:39 atonement. Uh, Elma 34, if I remember
00:31:42 correctly. No, for my commandments are
00:31:46 spiritual. They are not natural nor
00:31:49 temporal.
00:31:50 >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
00:31:51 Let’s double Did we read that right?
00:31:54 >> Yeah. They are not natural nor temporal,
00:31:58 neither carnal nor sensual. So, though
00:32:01 he handed down the sentence of the law
00:32:03 of carnal commandments,
00:32:05 >> that was a punishment.
00:32:08 >> Yes. that was not his
00:32:11 that that was a punishment um which
00:32:14 while it was in effect was a commandment
00:32:17 but when it was no longer in effect
00:32:21 it was not eternal
00:32:24 >> right
00:32:25 >> so what I’m trying to bring out here is
00:32:28 that these uh laws that are spiritual
00:32:32 and not temporal that he had given us
00:32:34 are not mirrors
00:32:36 they are the actual
00:32:39 laws.
00:32:41 >> Mhm.
00:32:42 >> Uh because here he doesn’t give us any
00:32:45 natural or mere, but they’re all
00:32:47 spiritual. Okay.
00:32:48 >> Mhm. Um so to go off with this, let’s go
00:32:54 back.
00:32:56 No,
00:32:58 >> sorry. There are many people that would
00:33:01 like John Tucker who would also uh throw
00:33:05 that out. Throw throw the mirror thing
00:33:08 out.
00:33:08 >> Yeah.
00:33:10 >> Yes, that is true.
00:33:11 >> That is true. Try not to name
00:33:13 >> Try not to name names here, Johnny.
00:33:16 >> Better with that.
00:33:17 >> Okay, thank you. Okay, so now um let’s
00:33:22 think about this. Well, I want to apply.
00:33:24 So Yahweh stated we are to vote. Yes.
00:33:29 >> Yes.
00:33:29 >> Yeah. Here is Satan and the
00:33:32 pre-existence trying to take away our
00:33:34 agency, our ability to choose,
00:33:38 >> right?
00:33:38 >> Voting has to do with choosing.
00:33:42 And um Oh, let’s just to kind of uh go
00:33:46 to verse eight to kind of help cement
00:33:48 this before I say the last part. Say
00:33:51 um so I will read the last part because
00:33:53 I just know the part that I want. which
00:33:56 sought power and authority over the
00:33:59 people.
00:34:01 >> So we don’t have to go to the
00:34:02 dictionary. I’m just going to tell you
00:34:04 what power is. The right of government
00:34:08 uh the empire or king to govern or
00:34:12 ruler. So this is all about governing or
00:34:15 forcing people to do things. Okay. And
00:34:19 authority is legal power or permission
00:34:22 uh of government. Okay.
00:34:26 So, Satan uh in the pre-existence sought
00:34:30 to force people
00:34:32 against their will.
00:34:35 >> Now, here is a group of people who
00:34:41 want to continue that
00:34:46 um in the civil government. Okay.
00:34:50 >> Okay. So this battle has been being
00:34:52 fought
00:34:54 uh time and again. You read about this
00:34:57 battle being fought in the Bible. Read
00:35:01 about it here.
00:35:03 this fight for whether we will have the
00:35:09 choice
00:35:11 to determine
00:35:14 um what whether we’ll be allowed the
00:35:17 choice to determine what is right, what
00:35:19 is wrong
00:35:21 and how we will choose along those
00:35:25 lines. Um this
00:35:28 is absolutely essential given that our
00:35:31 spirits are co-eternal with God that we
00:35:34 choose
00:35:36 to become
00:35:38 like his son.
00:35:40 But we have to choose it. If we are
00:35:43 forced to do it, we gain nothing.
00:35:49 We are left. Maybe maybe we get into the
00:35:54 kingdom of maybe everybody gets into the
00:35:56 kingdom of heaven, but we’re left in
00:35:57 that same state
00:36:00 before the whole experiment began.
00:36:05 We have not become
00:36:07 >> correct and thus we will uh receive less
00:36:10 rewards. Um, right.
00:36:13 >> But the the war over choice or not or
00:36:17 the
00:36:19 uh people wanting to control us versus
00:36:22 Yahweh letting us to choose is still
00:36:25 playing out. Now
00:36:28 >> uh in the civil government, this is a
00:36:30 very good example how uh wicked men who
00:36:34 wanted power and authority over you
00:36:37 which is the complete opposite of
00:36:39 wanting to serve and help you
00:36:43 wanted to change the law uh to take this
00:36:47 away. And let’s go look at verse six
00:36:49 that helps bring this out. And I’m going
00:36:51 to read this part since we’re kind of
00:36:53 sidetracking a little bit. to maintain
00:36:56 their rights. So this is the free men,
00:36:58 the ones that are with Pahorin or
00:37:00 Yeshua, to maintain their rights. And
00:37:04 rights are items not governed by laws or
00:37:08 ethical principles
00:37:11 of of freedom established.
00:37:14 So um so your rights are things that you
00:37:18 can do on your own without having to go
00:37:20 and ask permission, right?
00:37:22 >> Yeah. It’s um you know it’s this that
00:37:26 great statement from the Declaration of
00:37:28 Independence. We hold these rights to be
00:37:33 unalienable.
00:37:36 The right life, liberty, and the pursuit
00:37:39 of happiness.
00:37:42 uh but that so those are the rights that
00:37:44 they hold to be unalienable
00:37:46 uh or inalienable depending on who you
00:37:49 want to ask whether you ask Jefferson or
00:37:51 Adams but uh
00:37:53 >> anyways
00:37:55 >> but that but that’s that’s that’s the
00:37:57 definition of a right is that it is just
00:38:00 there
00:38:02 nobody nobody can take it away from you
00:38:06 it is inalienable
00:38:08 >> right is something that God grants unto
00:38:10 you right?
00:38:12 >> Or Elohim and privileges are benefits,
00:38:16 okay? Um, of their religion. So, their
00:38:20 ability to worship Yahweh and to
00:38:25 use their agency to decide to do good or
00:38:28 evil, right? By a free government. So, a
00:38:33 government that’s upholded by the
00:38:34 people. So, bottom up and not top down.
00:38:39 >> Mhm. So, here are the righteous Nephites
00:38:44 fighting.
00:38:45 Um, well, not here actually. This was
00:38:48 debating, which we’ll get uh actually
00:38:50 goes back to the pre-existence. We just
00:38:53 um jumped around a little bit. Um, but
00:38:57 they’re uh contending
00:38:59 uh for the ability to choose. Okay.
00:39:05 where a king men or a king is a monarch,
00:39:09 he just forces you to do things which
00:39:11 goes along with Satan wanting to take
00:39:14 away their agency.
00:39:15 >> Yes.
00:39:16 >> Now, considering that Mosiah brings out
00:39:20 how we are to vote
00:39:22 um to choose,
00:39:25 it is against Yahweh’s ways to do
00:39:29 something pattern off of Satan. Okay. So
00:39:34 them, these wicked men who just want to
00:39:37 control
00:39:40 are changing the government to make it
00:39:42 so they can just control
00:39:46 instead of people choosing. And that is
00:39:49 wicked. Okay. Now, uh to go along with
00:39:53 this uh subject, I’m going to bring up a
00:39:56 page that talks about how we are to vote
00:39:59 for the officers in the church.
00:40:04 Now if it is good in the civil kingdom,
00:40:08 should not the civil kingdom follow the
00:40:10 pattern of the religious kingdom?
00:40:12 Especially since all laws are spiritual?
00:40:16 >> That would make sense.
00:40:18 >> I mean, just maybe, right?
00:40:21 >> You know,
00:40:23 >> so um
00:40:26 Oh, we might want to change the zoom,
00:40:28 huh? To make it a little bigger.
00:40:30 >> Yes.
00:40:31 Okay, there we go. So, there’s a couple
00:40:34 things on this page, but at the bottom I
00:40:36 have stuff about church voting, church
00:40:40 on the church government. Okay, so I do
00:40:43 have some definitions and so how voice,
00:40:45 common consent, common consent, chosen,
00:40:50 election, appoint all deal with
00:40:54 uh voting. Okay. And then we have a
00:40:57 whole bunch of verses here that point
00:40:59 how church government is by vote of the
00:41:04 people. So bottom up just like in civil
00:41:08 government, it is to be the same in
00:41:11 church government. So the thing that I I
00:41:14 think we need to consider if it’s evil
00:41:17 in civil government to be a top down as
00:41:20 in the top leaders decide everything and
00:41:22 the people have no say in it. Why would
00:41:25 it be righteous in a church government
00:41:29 to be what is evil in a civil
00:41:31 government?
00:41:35 >> It’s not.
00:41:36 >> Nope. So this this top-down
00:41:40 uh religious government
00:41:43 was actually one of the key principles
00:41:46 of Nikicoat doctrine along with their
00:41:50 along with a certain along with a a
00:41:53 large degree of lawlessness.
00:41:55 >> Okay. I didn’t know that. So that is the
00:41:59 and uh in the book of revelation it
00:42:02 states that the doctrine of nicol of the
00:42:03 nicicoatans
00:42:05 is hated. So let’s go get that real
00:42:09 quick. So revelations.
00:42:14 Oh, I got to share.
00:42:17 So the nicolitans are the uh lawless
00:42:22 quote unquote lawless Christians. the
00:42:24 lawless Christians who wish to basically
00:42:28 they’re um they’re lawless individuals
00:42:32 who want authority over others.
00:42:35 Okay, so let’s uh which chapter? Um let
00:42:39 me I think here it’s going to be in one
00:42:41 of the pastoral letters. So let’s go to
00:42:44 revelation.
00:42:45 >> Okay, so we’re going to pause while we
00:42:46 go find the actual verse for a second.
00:42:54 Okay. So, we found the verse and um
00:42:57 Ben’s going to read it for us and talk
00:42:59 about it. Okay. So, here we are. And
00:43:02 this is um the words of Yeshua to the
00:43:06 church at Ephesus. And he has some
00:43:08 things to say about them that are good
00:43:10 and some things that are bad. And this
00:43:11 is one of the things that he has that he
00:43:13 likes about.
00:43:15 But this thou hast that thou hatest the
00:43:18 deeds of the niclatans
00:43:21 which I also hate. Now the deeds of the
00:43:24 niclatans
00:43:26 were
00:43:28 they were lawless and lentious
00:43:32 >> as in uh very uh abomination sexually
00:43:36 in their personal lives
00:43:40 and they believed in topdown control
00:43:43 structures.
00:43:47 much like the Church of Jesus Christ of
00:43:49 Latter-day Saints.
00:43:52 >> Yes. Very sadly. Um but that is what uh
00:43:58 they have and we’re showing scriptures
00:44:00 that go against it.
00:44:02 >> Yes. So this is something that Yeshua
00:44:06 hates is this top-down control structure
00:44:09 in the church. And if you read
00:44:10 throughout the Doctrine of Covenants, it
00:44:12 was never meant to be that way. Correct.
00:44:16 And so, let’s go look at some a few
00:44:20 verses because there’s a lot to look at
00:44:23 and it would probably take too long to
00:44:25 look at all of them, but we should look
00:44:26 at some.
00:44:27 >> Yes.
00:44:28 >> In fact, maybe we’ll start with a quote
00:44:30 I have at the bottom where Brigham Young
00:44:33 is describing
00:44:35 what happened. Uh, Andrew, you want to
00:44:38 read that quote there at the bottom?
00:44:39 >> Let every man that one.
00:44:41 >> Yeah. Right here. This
00:44:47 >> Joseph presided over the church by the
00:44:50 voice of the church or by the vote of
00:44:52 the members. Perhaps it would make some
00:44:56 of you stumble were I to ask you a
00:45:00 question. Does a man’s being a prophet
00:45:02 in this church prove that he shall be
00:45:04 president of it? I answer no. A man may
00:45:09 be a prophet seer and revelator and it
00:45:12 may have nothing to do with his being
00:45:14 the president of the church. Suffice it
00:45:17 to say that Joseph was the president of
00:45:19 the church as long as he lived. The
00:45:22 people chose or voted to have it. though
00:45:27 he always
00:45:29 filled that uh yeah he always filled
00:45:32 that responsible station by the voice or
00:45:36 the vote of the people or members.
00:45:39 Can you find any revelation appointing
00:45:42 him the president of the church? The
00:45:45 keys of the priesthood were committed to
00:45:47 Joseph to build up the kingdom of God on
00:45:51 um on the earth and were not to be taken
00:45:57 from him in time or in eternity. But
00:46:01 when he was called to preside over the
00:46:03 church, it was by the voice or vote of
00:46:06 the people, the members. though he had
00:46:09 the keys of the priesthood independent
00:46:11 of the voice or vote
00:46:14 or vote. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, this has
00:46:16 a couple things in here.
00:46:18 One, at the very bottom, it says Joseph
00:46:21 Smith had the required priesthood to be
00:46:24 president. Okay. Uh but he was not
00:46:28 president until the choice of the people
00:46:32 was made out for that to be the case.
00:46:37 Hence vote bottom up. The members vote
00:46:41 for it. They did not do sustaining that
00:46:44 is being done in the eldest church. Now
00:46:48 sustaining is top down. Similarly
00:46:53 when the 1835
00:46:55 edition of the doctrine of covenants was
00:46:58 published
00:46:59 it was ratified
00:47:02 by the voice of the people.
00:47:04 >> Correct. And uh I have a link for that
00:47:08 on the lectures on faith page that
00:47:11 people can go see and read or they can
00:47:13 go on the Joseph Smith papers or archive
00:47:16 or
00:47:17 >> go buy uh a reprint there. There’s lots
00:47:21 of places to go see it. It’s just you
00:47:23 have to go see it. Uh and it’s easy to
00:47:26 find. But, uh, I’ll just, uh, let’s see.
00:47:32 Uh,
00:47:34 oh, 107’s a good one. Maybe do one from
00:47:36 107.
00:47:36 >> Okay.
00:47:37 >> Um, so DNC LDS 10722
00:47:41 of the Melzdc priesthood, three
00:47:43 presiding high priests. Oh, going along
00:47:45 with the one that was just the quote
00:47:47 from Brigham Young. The first presidency
00:47:50 chosen by vote by the body or the
00:47:55 members of the church not Yahweh Elohim
00:47:59 appointed and ordained to that office
00:48:01 and upheld by the confidence faith and
00:48:04 prayers of the church or the members
00:48:07 form a quorum of the presidency of the
00:48:10 church. So this upheld by the confidence
00:48:13 is actually a really key idea. like in
00:48:17 certain democracies
00:48:19 uh or certain democratic republics like
00:48:22 the common like Great Britain at this
00:48:24 point, if there is
00:48:27 if if if
00:48:29 you feel that the if they feel that the
00:48:31 prime minister is um not doing his job
00:48:37 effectively or well, they can hold a
00:48:39 vote of no confidence
00:48:42 and throw him out and his
00:48:45 Correct. So that but that’s of the
00:48:47 people not the top down because the top
00:48:50 down never vote themselves out.
00:48:52 >> Right. This is the vote of the vote of
00:48:54 no confidence is by the people.
00:48:57 >> Right. which goes along how you vote
00:49:00 them in and you can vote them out,
00:49:03 >> which is surprise, which is sadly not
00:49:06 really some not really a feature that’s
00:49:09 available in American politics
00:49:12 or the LDS church or other churches.
00:49:15 They’re not the only one that has a
00:49:16 problem, but uh being someone who grew
00:49:19 up in the church and then removed my
00:49:21 name, I am familiar with what happens
00:49:25 there. Um, and if I The only place in
00:49:28 the DNC that says sustain has to do with
00:49:31 do with governmental offices, not church
00:49:35 offices. Okay. So, uh, I I’ll give a
00:49:39 link to this page. You can find many
00:49:42 other quotes here as you can see. Okay.
00:49:45 All right. But
00:49:46 >> lots of stuff about voting.
00:49:48 >> Yes. And I think I need to add some
00:49:50 more, but that’s another subject. So I’m
00:49:53 going to go back to uh Elma 51.
00:50:00 So um so I think we’re for the most part
00:50:04 done with that sidetracked. So I do
00:50:07 think we should go back to verse three.
00:50:10 So that was kind of a long sidetrack,
00:50:11 but that was a a good Oh, that’s
00:50:14 Revelations. Um a good side uh question
00:50:19 that Johnny brought up. And so I I do
00:50:22 try to answer people’s questions when
00:50:25 they come up.
00:50:27 >> Um
00:50:28 so John, are you willing to read verse
00:50:31 three?
00:50:32 >> I am. But behold, Porin would not alter
00:50:36 nor suffer the law to be altered.
00:50:39 >> Okay. So one thing I want to interrupt.
00:50:41 >> Yep.
00:50:41 >> Um so Yahweh in Torah actually specifies
00:50:46 that we are not to add or take away from
00:50:49 the law. Oh, wait. Wouldn’t that be
00:50:52 called changing or altering or turning
00:50:55 the left or the right?
00:50:57 >> Yeah.
00:50:58 >> Um,
00:51:00 so especially considering when we look
00:51:02 at symbolism here, uh, especially when
00:51:05 considering the pre-existence, Ferron,
00:51:08 uh, or Ferin
00:51:10 >> Porin,
00:51:10 >> Porin, sorry, Porin,
00:51:13 uh, is a representation of Yeshua. and
00:51:16 he didn’t want the law to be altered
00:51:19 when at the ground council
00:51:23 and the pre-existence some people wanted
00:51:26 to modify it.
00:51:27 >> Yes.
00:51:28 >> Right. And well, it’s actually the law
00:51:30 that the law should not be changed.
00:51:34 >> Ah, funny. All right.
00:51:36 >> Yeah. It’s surpris surprising how many
00:51:38 people want to say that it has
00:51:41 uh well they’re
00:51:45 uh most of them I would say are confused
00:51:47 others are actually enjoying their
00:51:50 lawlessness and they want to keep it
00:51:52 that way
00:51:53 >> and then there are others who are king
00:51:55 men.
00:51:56 >> Yes. That are doing a purpose to rule
00:51:58 over them. Um in fact uh the way Satan
00:52:02 and demons rule over you and unrighteous
00:52:06 men is binding you by your sins.
00:52:09 >> Yes.
00:52:10 >> Uh that’s how they control you.
00:52:13 >> Y
00:52:16 this is something that
00:52:19 this is a this is just a warning. Every
00:52:22 time you violate the law
00:52:26 of our L being,
00:52:28 you’re giving
00:52:30 Satan and his minions
00:52:33 a permission handhold into your life.
00:52:39 >> Yes.
00:52:41 >> Mhm. So if you wish
00:52:45 to fight serious spiritual warfare,
00:52:50 don’t learn a whole bunch of spiritual
00:52:51 warfare prayers.
00:52:55 Keep
00:52:57 right and um if you want Yahweh’s
00:53:02 protection,
00:53:03 you actually need to keep it. In fact,
00:53:06 uh in Torah, uh there is the example of
00:53:11 the Israelites and the mixed multitude
00:53:13 with the poisonous snakes. Yahweh brings
00:53:16 out the reason why they ended up not
00:53:20 being protected by him is because they
00:53:23 were not listening to him and his ways.
00:53:26 So they Yahweh left them to their own
00:53:30 devices, which also goes along with an
00:53:34 Isaiah verse that Isaiah brought up. I
00:53:36 mean that Zach brought up. In fact, let
00:53:38 me just look it up real quick. I think I
00:53:41 have it. Um, one second. But it’s about
00:53:46 how Yahweh is uh shaping or forming
00:53:51 uh the wicked.
00:53:53 And it’s Isaiah
00:53:57 57:18.
00:53:59 I I’ll just go over it briefly. I I need
00:54:03 to do more on it, but anyways. Um
00:54:06 there’s a lot of things I need to do,
00:54:07 but here it is. Isaiah 57:18. I Yahweh
00:54:10 have seen his way. Oh, no. That one’s
00:54:14 not it. Uh I think
00:54:18 >> No, no, that’s the wrong one.
00:54:20 >> That’s the wrong one. So, never mind. I
00:54:22 must have it somewhere else. And we’re
00:54:23 not going to spend a lot of time on
00:54:25 that.
00:54:25 >> Yeah.
00:54:25 >> So,
00:54:26 >> so, but yeah, his he uh he fences he he
00:54:31 performs a fence. He builds a fence
00:54:34 around those who are um keeping his ways
00:54:38 such that the devils
00:54:41 are
00:54:42 cannot
00:54:44 come after him.
00:54:45 >> Correct. But if you don’t keep his ways,
00:54:48 you have no promise.
00:54:50 >> Correct. And so uh this darkness is
00:54:55 just in Satan the demons themselves but
00:54:58 Yahweh when you keep his ways will
00:55:00 protect you.
00:55:01 >> Um so anyways uh John are you willing to
00:55:06 keep reading?
00:55:07 >> I am. Therefore those who were desirous
00:55:10 that the law should be altered were
00:55:12 angry with him and desired that he
00:55:14 should no longer be chief judge over the
00:55:17 >> I don’t think we finished three. I think
00:55:19 you’re on there four here. Oh, I’m so
00:55:21 sorry. You’re right.
00:55:23 >> In verse three, therefore, he did not
00:55:25 hearken to those who had sent in their
00:55:27 voices with their petitions concerning
00:55:30 the altering of the law. Okay, so the as
00:55:34 we went over, there were some things
00:55:35 that in specific they wanted to alter
00:55:38 the law which actually would give a
00:55:41 crack in it that would
00:55:44 uh destroy it because of who would be
00:55:46 put in charge. Okay.
00:55:48 >> Correct. Uh but uh there’s like one
00:55:52 example with Moses how the daughters of
00:55:57 somewhat
00:55:58 maybe
00:56:00 >> the daughter of Pharaoh of Egypt or
00:56:02 >> no no the daughters of uh uh
00:56:06 >> an Israelite that came to Moses saying
00:56:10 why should our father be forgotten?
00:56:12 >> Yeah. Yes. Oh yes I remember that but I
00:56:14 don’t remember the name of the
00:56:16 >> Okay. Neither do I. So anyways, you can
00:56:18 tell how well I’m prepared. Um, but
00:56:22 um, they came to Moses with a petition
00:56:26 and he then went to Yahweh with it
00:56:28 because he saw the the concern and he
00:56:32 did not know enough yet. So he went to
00:56:35 Yahweh and said, “Here is what we are to
00:56:37 do.” And it was that their daughters had
00:56:42 to marry someone within their own tribe.
00:56:45 And then it would be uh passed through
00:56:49 the daughter to the son-in-law.
00:56:53 >> Yeah. Um and so
00:56:57 that was for whatever reason wasn’t
00:56:59 brought up initially perhaps to help
00:57:02 those women have the courage to speak up
00:57:05 and
00:57:07 to work with the leaders to bring things
00:57:09 out. Okay. I righteous leaders they do
00:57:14 actually want to serve and not control.
00:57:17 Uh and as much as they may try,
00:57:21 they don’t think of everything.
00:57:23 >> Yeah.
00:57:23 >> Okay.
00:57:23 >> Correct.
00:57:24 >> And that’s one example because uh it’s
00:57:27 in the five books of Moses that Moses is
00:57:30 one of the meakest men. Now, if you know
00:57:34 what meek means, which I’ll let Ben say
00:57:36 because I know he likes to talk about
00:57:38 that. It’s it
00:57:41 it’s not as bad as uh would sound
00:57:43 otherwise.
00:57:44 >> Yeah. Uh the a lot of people in the
00:57:46 world today like to um like to say that
00:57:49 uh like the this idea that the meek are
00:57:53 just um doormats. They just are kind of
00:57:59 yes men who just learn from everybody.
00:58:02 And
00:58:03 >> you know there’s some of this some of
00:58:05 this this learning the ability to learn
00:58:08 from anybody is a good attribute but
00:58:10 that’s not what meek is. Um
00:58:14 meek the meek
00:58:18 who shall inherit the earth
00:58:23 are the humbly obedient. those who
00:58:26 humbly
00:58:27 live and dwell in the house of Moses.
00:58:34 Torah,
00:58:36 >> yes,
00:58:38 >> that is the meek.
00:58:43 And that and so the um
00:58:47 and so and they shall inherit the earth.
00:58:50 Uh, by the way, if the earth was not
00:58:54 heaven,
00:58:56 that would not be a reward.
00:58:59 Correct. That would actually be a
00:59:01 punishment, which Ben’s bringing out.
00:59:04 Heaven will
00:59:06 literally be here on earth.
00:59:10 >> Mhm.
00:59:11 >> Uh, and all the various portions of it.
00:59:14 Um, so, uh, with that, uh, Andrew, are
00:59:19 you willing to read verse 4?
00:59:21 >> Of course.
00:59:23 >> Oh, actually, I forgot one thing. One
00:59:25 thing I want to bring out is, so this
00:59:27 idea of the law, okay, it may sound like
00:59:30 that means that we’re being forced, but
00:59:33 it’s actually not. What the law does,
00:59:37 it says, “Here’s what is right and
00:59:41 wrong. You choose. Here’s the blessing
00:59:43 if you do is right. Here’s the cursing
00:59:46 if you do what is wrong.
00:59:48 >> That sounds like force.
00:59:53 >> You need to read a dictionary.
00:59:55 >> Yeah. I I don’t know how to help you.
00:59:58 >> I know, right? No, but that’s but that
01:00:02 that’s my point is if there’s choice,
01:00:05 there’s no force. We are not victims. We
01:00:08 make our choices.
01:00:11 >> Right. But the fact that there is a law
01:00:14 shows that we’re not robots and that you
01:00:16 get to choose. Well, yeah. The the with
01:00:20 Okay, there’s a lot of people who say
01:00:22 that with that the law enslaves us, but
01:00:25 I’m just going to say this. If you don’t
01:00:27 have a law, a code, some kind of moral
01:00:34 base,
01:00:36 compass,
01:00:37 moral base,
01:00:39 moral baseline,
01:00:43 you have no freedom.
01:00:48 The wide variety of choices with no
01:00:51 guidelines
01:00:53 is tyranny
01:00:56 by the tyranny by the multiplication of
01:00:59 choices.
01:01:01 Yeah.
01:01:02 Um and and partly even if you’re
01:01:06 somewhat a good person, everybody else
01:01:09 is somewhat of a good person, but then
01:01:10 everybody does somewhat righteous their
01:01:14 own ways and no one ever agrees with
01:01:16 each other. And so you’re just all
01:01:20 fighting over what is yours and you’re
01:01:22 not really there to enjoy anything
01:01:25 because there is no law.
01:01:26 >> Yeah. You’re always having to defend
01:01:28 yourself and what is yours
01:01:32 >> rather than enjoying it.
01:01:34 >> Mhm. Precise.
01:01:36 >> Okay. So with that, Andrew, will you
01:01:38 read verse four?
01:01:39 >> Therefore, those who were desirous that
01:01:41 the law should be altered were angry
01:01:43 with him.
01:01:44 >> Okay. So does that sound anything like
01:01:47 the council in the pre-existence?
01:01:50 >> Also sounds like a fair amount of
01:01:52 blue-haired people in this last uh after
01:01:55 this last election. Yes. Uh on that
01:01:57 point, uh when the red don’t win, they
01:02:01 deal with it, right?
01:02:04 >> And the blue they go crazy.
01:02:07 Um now, I do believe there’s problems
01:02:10 with both the left and the right or the
01:02:12 blue and the red. I think they’re two
01:02:15 wings of the same bird, but uh generally
01:02:19 speaking, the blue left uh has a lot
01:02:24 harder
01:02:26 dealing with other people having
01:02:28 choices.
01:02:30 >> Yes. Yeah, that’s true. So, yeah.
01:02:34 >> So, they’re they’re pretty much although
01:02:35 they say they’re for the people, they
01:02:37 actually want to control. And if you go
01:02:40 look what the left leads to, it leads to
01:02:43 leaders in control
01:02:45 and then you have nothing. and and even
01:02:49 um
01:02:52 oh the country on the north part of
01:02:54 South America is Venezuela.
01:02:56 >> Venezuela is a very recent example of
01:03:00 that.
01:03:00 >> Yeah. But you know u in our case you may
01:03:03 get that uh raised uh basic income. So
01:03:10 >> yeah but then the prices everything goes
01:03:13 up.
01:03:14 >> Yes.
01:03:15 >> So mere trifles.
01:03:19 any faith it’s a trifle but if you want
01:03:21 to stand a fact I would say while I did
01:03:25 make this kind of political the fact is
01:03:28 those who are in wickedness
01:03:32 really want to control those around them
01:03:37 to make them supportive of their
01:03:38 wickedness
01:03:40 and so and they get very angry when
01:03:43 their wickedness will not be supported
01:03:46 A very big example that from the Book of
01:03:49 Mormon are the lame lame and lemu or the
01:03:54 Lammonites.
01:03:55 >> Yes.
01:03:56 >> Uh they’re all about how Nephi took away
01:03:59 the rights of their government because
01:04:01 he went somewhere else. He robbed them.
01:04:06 >> Yeah. Robbed them of their rights of the
01:04:08 government as he left them to comfort
01:04:11 themselves and he went somewhere else to
01:04:12 govern himself. He didn’t take anything
01:04:15 from them. He just didn’t want their
01:04:17 unwickedness. But he took people with
01:04:20 him. Actually, they chose to follow.
01:04:25 >> Well, but you know what I’m saying? It’s
01:04:27 the mindset of layman and lol. The
01:04:29 mindset of layman and lol is, “Oh, he
01:04:32 took people with him. How dare you take
01:04:35 away my unloyal subjects.”
01:04:37 >> Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
01:04:38 >> are we ready?
01:04:39 >> Yeah. Go read the uh I’ll probably read
01:04:41 to the period.
01:04:44 uh the end. Okay. And desired that he
01:04:47 should no longer be chief judge over the
01:04:50 land.
01:04:50 >> Okay. So, my edition’s a little
01:04:52 different.
01:04:52 >> Semicolon. So, period. Okay. Well,
01:04:55 that’s I have a period. Anyways, uh as
01:04:58 you can see, I have a slightly different
01:05:00 edition written by Brighami. So, or
01:05:03 anyways, uh Royal Scousen. I it’s my
01:05:06 favorite edition. But anyways, um
01:05:10 the so at the council there was a big
01:05:13 group of uh a third part
01:05:17 that did not want Yoshua in charge
01:05:18 anymore.
01:05:20 >> Does that not sound the same?
01:05:23 >> Yes.
01:05:24 >> Yeah. So here what I’m trying to bring
01:05:26 out
01:05:28 righteousness follow patterns.
01:05:30 Wickedness follow patterns. Mhm.
01:05:33 >> Righteous pattern is that let people
01:05:35 choose and vote who are their
01:05:37 representatives. So bottom up.
01:05:40 Wickedness pattern is
01:05:44 uh wicked people are going to choose the
01:05:47 leaders and they’re just going to force
01:05:48 you to take it. They don’t give a
01:05:50 Mhm.
01:05:52 >> In fact, earlier later, sorry, earlier
01:05:54 later in the chapter,
01:05:56 uh
01:06:01 I think 1718 or so, um these people who
01:06:05 were kingmen when it came to defend the
01:06:07 people that they so supposedly wanted to
01:06:11 help with being leadership, guess what
01:06:13 they did? They’re like, “No, sorry.”
01:06:16 And so they tried to get out of helping.
01:06:20 Um and then Moroni did something where a
01:06:23 lot of people find controversial where
01:06:25 he forced them to defend. Now that is
01:06:29 according to Torah. Okay, we won’t get
01:06:31 into it because it’s a side subject. But
01:06:34 Torah requires you to defend your family
01:06:39 and your neighbors, which is what Moroni
01:06:42 was enforcing at that time. That is
01:06:46 Yahweh’s law. In fact, this also goes
01:06:48 along with the good Samaritan. That is
01:06:51 actually civil law in most places, not
01:06:54 just a religious law. That you are to
01:06:57 help those in need.
01:06:59 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:00 >> That’s same basic idea.
01:07:04 The other thing is is that uh
01:07:07 they’re they’re also the king men are
01:07:10 also fulfilling the pattern of evil
01:07:12 which is when the voice of the people
01:07:15 doesn’t choose their way they then go
01:07:19 about um righteously trying to um
01:07:24 uh show them how wrong they were
01:07:28 by uh withholding
01:07:31 um goods and purposes
01:07:33 >> you’re self-righteously doing.
01:07:35 >> Mhm.
01:07:36 >> Right. Okay. So, Andrew, so go ahead and
01:07:38 >> basically a big temper tantrum is what
01:07:40 they’re doing.
01:07:41 >> Yes. Yeah, they are. We didn’t get what
01:07:43 we wanted. So now,
01:07:45 >> yes, having five kids, I recognize that
01:07:47 for what it is.
01:07:50 >> Okay. Therefore, there arose a warm
01:07:53 dispute concerning the matter.
01:07:55 >> Okay. So, what
01:07:56 >> not?
01:07:58 Yeah. Not on bloodshed. Okay. So what’s
01:08:00 a warm dispute? An argument
01:08:04 somewhat.
01:08:06 So uh a warm dispute go a warm dispute
01:08:10 is similar to what you
01:08:13 it is similar to what has existed up to
01:08:16 this point in the um in recent years in
01:08:21 the civil dialogue in the United States
01:08:23 of America. That’s a good example of a
01:08:25 warm dispute.
01:08:25 >> See you. Are you talking about like when
01:08:28 they go out with protests but nothing
01:08:31 happens that kind of thing or are you
01:08:33 talking
01:08:34 >> We’re talking about We’re talking about
01:08:35 the protest media.
01:08:37 >> We’re talking about the u we’re talking
01:08:39 about mostly peaceful protests. We’re
01:08:41 talking about um we’re also talking
01:08:44 about uh
01:08:47 the the how when people how when people
01:08:50 get together and debate the dialogue is
01:08:52 not civil.
01:08:54 >> So I think you’ll like definition three.
01:08:56 Yes. Uh zealous, ardent
01:09:00 as to be warm in the cause of our
01:09:03 country or of religion. So yeah, it’s be
01:09:07 it it it’s where both sides are zealous
01:09:12 and ardent in
01:09:15 >> their position,
01:09:15 >> defending their position.
01:09:17 >> Yes.
01:09:18 >> And and they’re willing to go too far
01:09:20 like uh Simon the zealot.
01:09:24 >> Yes.
01:09:24 >> Zeal. zealous.
01:09:26 >> Yes.
01:09:28 >> Uh they’re going too far for what they
01:09:30 believe is right. Uh and becoming like
01:09:35 their enemies and going uh beyond the
01:09:38 bounds of what they should do, which
01:09:40 what they’re claiming the other side is
01:09:42 doing.
01:09:43 >> Yeah.
01:09:44 >> John, are you willing to read verse 5?
01:09:47 >> Yes. And it came to pass that those who
01:09:50 were desirous that the horn should be
01:09:52 dethroned from the judgment seat were
01:09:55 called kingmen.
01:09:56 >> Or uh looking at the pre-existence,
01:09:59 those who followed Satan.
01:10:01 >> Correct.
01:10:01 >> Right. Cuz Yeshua and those who follow
01:10:06 Satan actually there was a war to try to
01:10:08 dethrone him.
01:10:09 >> Yes.
01:10:10 >> Right.
01:10:10 >> Correct.
01:10:11 >> But it’s interesting that they put no
01:10:13 bloodshed.
01:10:14 Perhaps it it was because it’s a war of
01:10:17 words. Yes.
01:10:18 >> Just like the one in heaven. Yes. Or
01:10:21 pre-existence or premortality is
01:10:23 probably better way of saying it. So
01:10:24 that was a
01:10:26 >> perhaps not the best habit of way of
01:10:29 saying it, but anyways.
01:10:29 >> Yeah.
01:10:30 >> For they were desirous that the law
01:10:32 should be altered in a manner to
01:10:34 overthrow the free government and to
01:10:36 establish a king over the land. So this
01:10:39 is where I we’ve already kind of gone
01:10:41 over how uh this follows the pattern of
01:10:44 trying to take away people’s agency and
01:10:47 force people. We don’t need to go over
01:10:49 the details of that again. Um and uh
01:10:54 which goes along how uh top down or the
01:10:59 top leaders claim that it’s coming from
01:11:03 whoever they’re following to say this is
01:11:05 how it’s supposed to be
01:11:07 rather than in the scriptures that we
01:11:09 saw even with the first presidency it’s
01:11:12 vote by the members of the church. Okay.
01:11:16 So, here’s these patterns. And so, yes,
01:11:19 Satan twists, but here’s um that doesn’t
01:11:23 mean it’s like exactly the same or how
01:11:26 it’s twisted here. Satan has leaders.
01:11:31 It’s how the leaders get into power
01:11:33 that’s the twist.
01:11:35 >> Okay.
01:11:36 Um Ben, are you willing to read six?
01:11:40 >> Absolutely. And those who were desirous
01:11:42 that Bahorin should remain chief judge
01:11:44 over the land took upon them the name of
01:11:47 freemen and thus was the division among
01:11:49 them. For the free men had sworn or
01:11:52 covenanted.
01:11:54 I think that’s a really important word
01:11:55 there.
01:11:56 >> Yes, it is.
01:11:57 >> Covenanted to maintain their rights and
01:12:00 the privileges of their religion by a
01:12:02 free government. So go ahead and talk
01:12:03 about covenant as
01:12:05 >> um you know it’s um
01:12:09 now covenant is a two-way promise.
01:12:16 Um and it’s you they you um
01:12:24 it’s uh you promise one person
01:12:28 say a say if you were to make a land
01:12:30 covenant. You promise them you promise
01:12:32 the person land you promise the person
01:12:35 that you’re covenanting the land to uh
01:12:38 land and they covenant to give you
01:12:40 money. Then you would then in the
01:12:43 ancient Middle Eastern custom they would
01:12:45 then um they would then slot they would
01:12:49 then slaughter animals as a sign of the
01:12:52 covenant and the two parties would walk
01:12:54 between the animals showing that they
01:12:56 were covenanted in the in the uh
01:13:00 partition of land and what have you. Now
01:13:03 >> let me throw something in real quick.
01:13:04 Yeah. The the reason they cut the animal
01:13:06 because they were enacting what the
01:13:09 punish would would be.
01:13:11 >> Yes.
01:13:11 >> If they broke the covenant.
01:13:13 >> Yes.
01:13:13 >> Which is death.
01:13:15 >> Mhm.
01:13:16 >> So this is the thing about a covenant.
01:13:18 It’s a very strong promise. And many and
01:13:22 these uh and uh the penalty for breaking
01:13:25 for the breaking of covenants is death.
01:13:28 Uh it’s just like the penalty for
01:13:31 perjuring the penalty for perjuring
01:13:33 oaths often also was death. Um I will
01:13:37 also point out the adversaries method of
01:13:41 this
01:13:43 is
01:13:45 the
01:13:46 is a certain type of blood oath.
01:13:50 >> Yeah.
01:13:51 Yes. Yes, it is. Where the one with
01:13:55 Yahweh it’s symbolic. Yes. So the now I
01:14:00 do think that it’s important that we go
01:14:03 in here find out what they were
01:14:05 covenanted to do to maintain their
01:14:08 rights and privileges of their religion
01:14:10 by a free government without if the
01:14:12 government’s laws are not based in
01:14:15 Torah. The the people will not be free.
01:14:18 >> Yeah. And I want to add so this example
01:14:21 is that we’re going over is specifically
01:14:23 civil government. But as I brought out,
01:14:26 why would Yahweh have it one way in the
01:14:30 civil government and differently in the
01:14:34 religious government? Especially when
01:14:36 Yahweh, as you saw, there’s lots of
01:14:38 verses that the religious government is
01:14:41 by vote, not sustaining. And so the only
01:14:46 way to keep your religion
01:14:49 pure and undefiled, part of it is that
01:14:53 you make that the members who are less
01:14:57 prone to wickedness are putting in the
01:15:00 correct leaders that they can see that
01:15:03 they have the talents to fulfill what’s
01:15:07 required for that office or calling.
01:15:11 Okay? and also have the ability to take
01:15:15 them out, which actually Yahweh states
01:15:17 in the DNC, when someone in office sins,
01:15:22 including the first presidency, they are
01:15:25 to be judged, showing that the first
01:15:28 presidency can lead people astray. If
01:15:31 they can sin, they can lead people
01:15:33 astray. So
01:15:36 these covenanted people, there’s only
01:15:39 one covenant
01:15:41 that requires us to keep Torah
01:15:45 that put that that binds us to that
01:15:48 which gives us will guarantee us a free
01:15:50 covenant.
01:15:52 And that covenant is symbolized in
01:15:56 baptism. It’s a witness. So we’ll go
01:15:58 look at that real quick. So, uh, my
01:16:01 favorite verse for this, and if Ben’s
01:16:03 okay with it, we’ll use this one, is
01:16:04 Mosaiah. I do read the Book of Mormon
01:16:06 sometimes.
01:16:09 >> 18.
01:16:10 Uh, I don’t know the verse. So,
01:16:12 >> 8 through 10.
01:16:13 >> 8 through 10.
01:16:14 >> Oh, okay. Never mind. Someone else knows
01:16:15 the verse. I like control F.
01:16:19 >> So, so it’s 10 that deals with the
01:16:22 majority of the covenant.
01:16:24 >> So, John, since you know the verses,
01:16:26 would you uh care to read them?
01:16:30 Uh,
01:16:33 all right.
01:16:35 And we’re going to start at the end of
01:16:37 eight.
01:16:40 And now, as ye are desirous to come into
01:16:43 the fold of Elohim, to be called his
01:16:45 people, and are willing to bear one
01:16:47 another’s burdens, that they may be
01:16:50 light. Yay. And are willing to mourn
01:16:52 with those that mourn, yay, and comfort
01:16:54 those that stand in need of comfort, and
01:16:57 to stand as witnesses of Elohim at all
01:16:59 times, and in all things, and in all
01:17:00 places, that ye may be in even until
01:17:03 death, that ye may be redeemed of
01:17:07 Elohim, and be numbered with those of
01:17:10 the first resurrection, that you may
01:17:11 have eternal life. Now I say unto you,
01:17:15 if this be the desire of your hearts,
01:17:17 what have you against being baptized in
01:17:20 the name of Yahwa as a witness before?
01:17:23 >> Oh, wait a minute. A witness?
01:17:25 Yeah. So
01:17:28 that that’s like uh is that like a
01:17:31 witness at a at a court?
01:17:34 >> Yeah.
01:17:35 >> Who like testifies of something that has
01:17:37 already happened?
01:17:38 >> Yes. They saw as a witness before him
01:17:41 that ye have entered already done so
01:17:46 into a covenant with him that you will
01:17:49 serve him and keep who serve him and
01:17:54 keep his commandments in the law.
01:17:57 >> So So is there any exceptions in those
01:17:59 commandments like except for this one or
01:18:01 that one? Maybe my not favorite one. If
01:18:05 we keep all of them,
01:18:08 he will pour out his
01:18:12 Torah more abundantly upon us or our
01:18:15 understanding
01:18:17 of Torah more abundant.
01:18:19 >> I I do want to one thing Ben this
01:18:22 abundantly. So was it okay? So
01:18:26 >> to get more abundantly do you have to be
01:18:28 abundantly before?
01:18:30 >> Yes. So you can have Yahweh gives us
01:18:34 Torah before we’re baptized.
01:18:36 >> Yes.
01:18:37 >> Could that be because of the light of
01:18:39 Christ is an all
01:18:42 Wait a minute.
01:18:43 >> All men.
01:18:46 >> I’m referring Moroni 7 for those
01:18:48 wondering.
01:18:49 >> Yes.
01:18:49 >> So So being baptized before you’re
01:18:52 baptized, you can have the spirit
01:18:54 abundantly.
01:18:55 >> Yes.
01:18:58 >> But my church says otherwise. Well, your
01:19:00 church needs to repent.
01:19:01 >> Oh, well, they didn’t. That’s why I
01:19:03 left.
01:19:04 >> Oh, good.
01:19:04 >> Okay. So, here. So, just to bring this
01:19:08 back to here, back here to Alma chapter
01:19:10 5 stay. But the if you could go back and
01:19:15 bring up a Mosiah 18.
01:19:17 >> Oh, okay. I’m sorry.
01:19:18 >> Okay. I I want to I I just want to draw
01:19:21 some connections here.
01:19:22 >> Oh, I I’m I’m bringing you back. I
01:19:25 thought we were done. No. Um,
01:19:31 does not
01:19:33 so just to bring it back to the subject
01:19:35 matter at hand, Alma 51:E6,
01:19:38 does not
01:19:40 a free government
01:19:46 bear help us to bear one another’s
01:19:48 burdens.
01:19:51 Yes. So, uh, quick example on a top
01:19:54 down, uh, a lot of people feel like they
01:19:57 can do nothing unless they’re told to do
01:19:59 it. And so, when someone needs help,
01:20:02 well, guess what? It goes through a
01:20:03 counsel, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it
01:20:05 may or may not happen. If it’s bottom
01:20:08 up, people are encouraged to do do and
01:20:12 take care of things that they see. And
01:20:14 so from this same principle, we see that
01:20:17 this free government helps us to mourn
01:20:19 with those that mourn, to comfort those
01:20:21 that stand in need of comfort. And it
01:20:24 allows us
01:20:26 that free government has to be there to
01:20:29 allow us to be able to stand as
01:20:31 witnesses of God. Correct? Um which goes
01:20:35 along with to maintain the rights and
01:20:37 privileges of the religion by a free
01:20:40 government. the uh they knew here Furon
01:20:45 of
01:20:47 Phoren
01:20:50 uh knew to be able to keep the religion
01:20:54 was dependent upon a free government
01:20:56 because
01:20:58 uh that keeps it from wicked people less
01:21:02 likely crawling or climbing up the ranks
01:21:06 because they will be removed rather than
01:21:09 being let in there with the excuses.
01:21:12 Well, God put him in there so he could
01:21:14 learn something.
01:21:15 >> You’re right.
01:21:16 >> And so, and so, so the so if you can get
01:21:20 you can take it back to uh Alma 516. Uh
01:21:24 now, so um just I just wanted to point
01:21:28 out that these there is not this is just
01:21:32 an example of what we were talking about
01:21:33 earlier. There is nothing that is just
01:21:38 physical. All of these things are have
01:21:42 spiritual impact. Oh, we should go back
01:21:45 to that.
01:21:46 >> Yes.
01:21:57 Sorry, I it takes me couple clicks.
01:22:00 Doesn’t take too long. Anyway, there we
01:22:02 go.
01:22:02 >> Yeah. All of these things
01:22:05 have spiritual impact. There is no law,
01:22:09 no commandment given that is purely
01:22:13 temporal.
01:22:14 When we choose
01:22:18 to live, when we choose
01:22:22 when we live, when we do not have a free
01:22:25 government, our ability to practice our
01:22:28 religion, to keep our covenants is
01:22:31 severely dampened.
01:22:34 Yeah. And if you
01:22:38 living the life that we live right now
01:22:40 wherein because we have a calendar that
01:22:44 does not match with the looney solar
01:22:46 calendar or as in Yahweh’s calendar
01:22:48 that’s in Genesis 1:14 and 16.
01:22:51 >> Correct. Because FYI, even though in
01:22:54 King James it says seasons, it’s uh moed
01:22:58 behind the English translation back
01:23:02 means appointed time. Now, with that
01:23:05 being said,
01:23:07 I live
01:23:10 according to Yahweh’s time,
01:23:14 but the world lives according to the
01:23:17 time of a of of Rome.
01:23:20 >> Yeah.
01:23:21 and they don’t mesh. So it would seem
01:23:25 that my Sabbath changes every month or
01:23:29 moon just so people aware month is an
01:23:32 old English word that got uh because it
01:23:35 was which number of the moon it is as
01:23:38 first
01:23:40 fourth fifth so on and so forth.
01:23:42 >> Yes.
01:23:44 But it’s my Sabbath according to Yah the
01:23:48 Sabbath according to Yah’s calendar
01:23:51 is the same day. It just looks like it
01:23:54 changes according to the Gregorian.
01:23:58 >> Yeah, it’s it happens because two
01:24:00 calendars are overlaying each other.
01:24:02 >> Correct.
01:24:03 >> Well, and it is not I am not we are not
01:24:08 under a free government right now.
01:24:11 >> Our government is very top down.
01:24:14 Um yeah, there’s the illusion of the
01:24:17 vote,
01:24:19 but um
01:24:20 >> it’s nothing important.
01:24:23 >> We also have the we also have our uh
01:24:26 with that illusion of the vote comes our
01:24:28 wonderful electoral college which can
01:24:30 overthrow our votes if they
01:24:32 >> Well, yeah. Especially since uh not
01:24:34 every state makes it mandated it has to
01:24:37 be in any form or fashion uh tied to the
01:24:42 popular vote. Yeah. So, yeah. So,
01:24:44 >> so my point is is that with the free
01:24:47 government, sure I have a privilege to
01:24:51 worship how I will, but that can also be
01:24:56 if you look at the laws that are
01:24:59 connected to my religious to religious
01:25:03 worship in general,
01:25:05 there is a caveat phrase
01:25:09 and the caveat is
01:25:12 If the employer, you have that right. If
01:25:16 the employer has the coverage they need
01:25:20 for business needs.
01:25:23 If they don’t,
01:25:26 then you’re in hot water. So, every
01:25:29 single thing has a government and
01:25:32 everything in this world is run top
01:25:35 down. And you if you
01:25:39 want to make a living, if you want to do
01:25:41 anything in this world, you have to be
01:25:44 aware of the top down.
01:25:46 >> Oh, in other words, if you want to buy
01:25:49 or sell.
01:25:50 >> Yes.
01:25:50 >> Mhm.
01:25:51 >> Even goals, goal setting is top down.
01:25:54 That’s just force it down your throat.
01:25:57 But anyways, correct.
01:25:58 >> And I’ll even just say this, even on
01:26:00 your mission for the LDS church, it’s
01:26:02 top down
01:26:04 setting.
01:26:05 >> Very much. Absolutely. So my point is
01:26:08 it’s not easy. Just to go off of what
01:26:11 Ben is saying, it is not easy.
01:26:17 Mhm. Especially if
01:26:20 um especially with survival, but at the
01:26:23 same time
01:26:26 we have that gives us choice that gives
01:26:30 us agency.
01:26:33 And I
01:26:35 will say this, I will choose to be a
01:26:39 free man
01:26:41 and take hold of the rights that Yah has
01:26:45 given me.
01:26:47 For I know in whom I have trusted, just
01:26:50 as these free men knew in whom they
01:26:53 trusted.
01:26:55 >> Amen. So I I do want to read through
01:26:58 verse six again and just add a few quick
01:27:01 thoughts. So, and those who were
01:27:04 desirous. Okay. And so, I is symbolic of
01:27:08 desire. And I’m so I’m going to add this
01:27:10 real quick. I single the glory of
01:27:12 Elohim. Now, let’s go see how that could
01:27:15 apply in this next little stanza in the
01:27:19 earliest text edition that Pahorin
01:27:23 should remain chief judge over the land
01:27:26 or chief judge. Oh,
01:27:28 >> Elohim.
01:27:29 >> Elohim. Oh.
01:27:32 that he should be the top Elohim or
01:27:35 judge. That sounds like the first
01:27:37 division of Torah.
01:27:40 And these people took upon them the
01:27:43 character of free men or as in they knew
01:27:48 their rights and privileges and and and
01:27:51 then below you’ll see they covenanted to
01:27:54 keep that for themselves
01:27:56 and others. Oh, wait a minute.
01:28:00 What
01:28:00 >> purpose of life? What is the purpose of
01:28:03 life? To fear to fear God and keep his
01:28:06 commandments and help others to do the
01:28:09 same.
01:28:09 >> Yep. And uh and that’s the thing is if
01:28:12 one actually fears God, the helping
01:28:14 others comes hand in hand because he
01:28:16 says uh that the second great
01:28:19 commandment is like unto the first uh
01:28:22 love thy neighbor as thyself.
01:28:24 >> Yes. Yes.
01:28:27 And thus there was a division among
01:28:31 them. Oh, look at that up there at verse
01:28:33 one about this division of lands or
01:28:36 people thus lands, right? And we talked
01:28:40 about how that would represent heaven
01:28:42 and hell
01:28:44 and because of this division uh the free
01:28:47 men had sworn or covenanted to maintain
01:28:50 their rights and privilege of their
01:28:51 religion by a free government. I do
01:28:54 believe that before we came here to
01:28:57 earth in our premortality, we covenanted
01:29:01 to follow Yahweh in his ways. Otherwise,
01:29:04 we would have gone with Satan, who was
01:29:06 the one that was trying to overthrow
01:29:09 and change the law from verse five.
01:29:11 >> Now, I do think that on my part, I was
01:29:14 on in favor of that because I wasn’t
01:29:17 going to have anybody telling me what to
01:29:18 do.
01:29:19 >> I myself,
01:29:20 >> he was a little selfish with that. Yeah,
01:29:23 I uh I I mean I say that because faith
01:29:27 has always been the hardest part of my
01:29:29 journey. Uh, first I had to learn to be
01:29:32 obedient
01:29:35 and then and and I still
01:29:39 um and I still
01:29:42 to this day some struggle a little with
01:29:44 the uh with the trust aspect of faith,
01:29:48 but I first had to learn to be obedient
01:29:51 because it didn’t come naturally for me.
01:29:56 Um,
01:29:59 Would you say it’s becoming easier?
01:30:02 >> Um, I would say I would say yes that it
01:30:04 is definitely becoming easier. The uh
01:30:07 the but obedience but obedience for me
01:30:11 was not a natural thing that I
01:30:14 gravitated to. I was always very much of
01:30:17 a um
01:30:21 in terms of my mindset almost
01:30:22 libertarian
01:30:25 political perspective.
01:30:27 uh being very much about
01:30:31 freedom of expression, freedom
01:30:35 to do
01:30:37 and
01:30:39 understanding completely that that
01:30:42 included freedom to face the
01:30:44 consequences of your choices.
01:30:46 >> Correct. Um which a big problem in
01:30:50 today’s society is people do not want to
01:30:52 take responsibility for their actions.
01:30:55 Um and and that just actually causes a
01:30:58 lot of weak people to be honest
01:31:02 >> and wickedness and sorrow for everybody
01:31:05 involved.
01:31:06 >> Yeah.
01:31:07 And so that w that I think was probably
01:31:10 the strongest aspect was um the
01:31:14 strongest aspect of my character growing
01:31:17 growing up was an rugged independence
01:31:20 but a also a sense of well if you spill
01:31:26 the milk you’ve got to clean it up.
01:31:28 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:31:32 And so yeah, but that’s uh and so but
01:31:36 the point is
01:31:38 that is where it’s at. This is the the
01:31:41 fake
01:31:43 we
01:31:46 we’re here.
01:31:48 We
01:31:52 chose Yeshua.
01:31:54 >> And with that choosing came and
01:31:56 covenant.
01:31:57 >> Yeah.
01:31:58 Um, so Andrew, are you willing to read
01:32:01 verse seven?
01:32:02 >> Of course.
01:32:04 A second. Pull my phone back up.
01:32:07 >> Oh, and I should uh
01:32:12 >> Yes.
01:32:12 >> Yes. And it came to pass that this
01:32:14 matter of their contention was settled
01:32:17 by the voice of the people.
01:32:19 >> Vote.
01:32:21 >> Yeah. Vote. And then also, does that not
01:32:23 kind of sound like the uh council on
01:32:27 premortality?
01:32:28 >> I really wish we could pull up the
01:32:30 little snippet in uh in Mont Python the
01:32:34 search for the holy grail.
01:32:41 Just because you don’t remember doesn’t
01:32:43 mean you did. That is correct.
01:32:47 So they they was it forced?
01:32:50 >> No.
01:32:51 It was settled.
01:32:53 >> It was
01:32:55 by the people.
01:32:56 >> Oh, okay. All right. I just wanted to
01:32:57 make clear because this is that’s not
01:32:58 top down, is it?
01:33:00 >> No. Bottom up.
01:33:01 >> Bottom up.
01:33:02 >> Oh, okay. All right.
01:33:03 >> Bottoms up.
01:33:06 >> Actually, bottoms up is what happens
01:33:08 when you don’t have any choices.
01:33:11 >> True.
01:33:13 >> When you don’t feel like you can improve
01:33:15 anything, which happens with top down.
01:33:18 >> Yeah.
01:33:19 >> Bottoms up. But that’s not what I meant.
01:33:25 >> And it came to pass that the voice of
01:33:28 the people came in favor of the free
01:33:30 man.
01:33:30 >> Amen.
01:33:31 >> And Behorin retained the judgment seat.
01:33:34 >> Okay. So, right here. So, um here’s an
01:33:37 example what uh was stated in Mosiah 29.
01:33:41 Right.
01:33:44 >> It it is not I forget the exact quote,
01:33:47 but something along the lines. It is not
01:33:49 common
01:33:50 >> common yeah
01:33:51 >> it is not common for the voice of the
01:33:53 people to choose evil
01:33:55 and and here’s this example and
01:34:01 >> retain the judgment seat. Now one thing
01:34:05 Yahweh is Elohim
01:34:07 and Yahweh is Yeshua.
01:34:10 Elohim is a word that means judge. Okay.
01:34:14 And so here it is that Yahweh
01:34:17 stayed the judge. And oh, where does he
01:34:21 sit?
01:34:22 >> On the throne of heaven,
01:34:24 >> which is
01:34:26 a judgment seat.
01:34:27 >> Correct.
01:34:28 >> He sits on the mercy seat.
01:34:30 >> Yeah. Which is a judgment seat.
01:34:32 >> Because mercy takes judgment.
01:34:34 >> Yep.
01:34:35 >> You can’t you can’t apply mercy without
01:34:38 first having applied justice.
01:34:40 >> Yeah. And so now we’ll just read those
01:34:41 three lists of people for the third part
01:34:45 that we talked about earlier. So go
01:34:46 ahead, Andrew.
01:34:48 >> Which caused much rejoicing among the
01:34:50 brethren of the Horin and also many of
01:34:53 the people of liberty. Oh wait, wait.
01:34:55 Liberty is
01:34:58 I should have done it earlier, but since
01:34:59 we’re here, liberty is freedom from
01:35:03 restraints.
01:35:04 >> Yes. as in uh kingman can’t just tell
01:35:08 them what to do. I
01:35:14 just because they want to because I
01:35:15 can’t say the other word right now. Over
01:35:17 the course of my life, I would say that
01:35:19 I have gravitated from the second group
01:35:23 to the first one.
01:35:25 Very good. Okay, Andrew, continue.
01:35:28 >> Okay,
01:35:30 >> which who? It says who in line. Oh,
01:35:34 okay. Who also put the king men to
01:35:37 silence that they d not oppose but were
01:35:40 obliged to maintain the cause of
01:35:42 freedom.
01:35:42 >> Now, obliged means um that they’re
01:35:46 supposed to do it.
01:35:47 >> They were constrained by legal force.
01:35:50 >> Yes.
01:35:50 >> So, they didn’t really want to as they
01:35:53 made manifest later when there’s like,
01:35:56 oh, you want my help? Oh, that’s too
01:35:58 bad. I didn’t get what I want. You
01:36:00 didn’t give me your help. You don’t get
01:36:03 mine.
01:36:04 >> Yeah. Yeah. And so, uh,
01:36:06 >> no quid proquo.
01:36:08 >> Yes. Captain Moroni then, uh, asked to
01:36:12 get permission to enforce the laws and
01:36:16 how you are to, uh, support your
01:36:18 neighbor and country in war because of
01:36:20 that, right?
01:36:21 >> Yes.
01:36:22 >> So, I mean, there’s a lot of patterns
01:36:25 going on here. And see how this pattern
01:36:28 happened in uh the council in
01:36:31 premortality and here it’s happening
01:36:33 right here in the Book of Mormon. It’s
01:36:35 happening in civil government and it
01:36:38 happened in church government.
01:36:40 >> Yes. And
01:36:42 >> and you can sad and you can see it
01:36:45 playing all playing out all over again
01:36:49 even today.
01:36:50 >> Yes. with the United States government
01:36:52 and just with the
01:36:53 >> only we’re now in the only I would say
01:36:56 we’re now in that um
01:36:58 late helum and early third Nephi stage.
01:37:02 >> So I’ll read verse eight. Now those
01:37:05 which are in favor of kings so the
01:37:07 monarchs basically getting to push
01:37:09 whatever they wanted
01:37:12 uh to happen to happen whether it was
01:37:14 right or wrong and it was just on their
01:37:16 whim they could push it. They would have
01:37:20 high birth.
01:37:21 >> Yeah, high birth. So,
01:37:23 what’s an expression that goes along
01:37:25 with Satan?
01:37:27 >> Snob. Oh, sorry.
01:37:29 >> Well, there is that.
01:37:30 >> I was thinking a different one. I was
01:37:32 thinking son of the morning.
01:37:33 >> Oh, yeah.
01:37:34 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:37:35 >> And the morning
01:37:36 >> have an esteemed position.
01:37:38 >> Yeah, because he was among the first
01:37:40 >> and thus he was looked up to. He was So,
01:37:43 Satan in a sense is like someone of high
01:37:46 birth. Mhm.
01:37:48 >> Uh and they sought to be kings
01:37:51 >> just like Satan sought to become like
01:37:53 the most high.
01:37:55 >> Correct.
01:37:56 Um and they were supported by those
01:37:59 which sought power and authority over
01:38:02 people. So those who were going to be
01:38:04 completely in charge
01:38:06 uh were helped by those who wanted some
01:38:09 power over the rest.
01:38:12 >> They weren’t as greedy. Plus they didn’t
01:38:14 have the gumption or
01:38:16 the knowhow,
01:38:17 >> probably not even the talent,
01:38:19 >> correct? And nor the talent. Um, and so
01:38:23 here is a group of people that their
01:38:27 desire is was control over people to get
01:38:30 power rather than becoming like Yeshua
01:38:35 to gain his power which is ultimate
01:38:38 power. And when he comes
01:38:41 there is no stopping him because of who
01:38:45 he became
01:38:48 >> or be he became this even before
01:38:52 uh mortality started as in he was slain
01:38:55 before the foundations of the earth aka
01:38:58 premortality
01:39:03 which goes along earlier how the
01:39:04 purposes of life is to become like him
01:39:08 by keeping keeping his laws. His laws
01:39:12 are his attributes and characteristics.
01:39:15 It’s what he would do in this particular
01:39:18 situation.
01:39:19 >> Yes.
01:39:20 >> It’s not just some whim because he’s
01:39:22 trying to be mean.
01:39:26 He’s telling us what he would do in the
01:39:29 situation.
01:39:31 And if you want to be like him,
01:39:34 you will act like him instead of off of
01:39:37 your own desires.
01:39:39 And on another level,
01:39:43 he’s telling us what for those who are
01:39:46 not so highly motivated,
01:39:48 but who are still motivated out of a
01:39:51 sense of love for ya,
01:39:55 these things in his law
01:39:58 are telling us what he loves and what he
01:40:00 hates.
01:40:03 If we truly loved Yaha,
01:40:08 wouldn’t we pay attention to that? Yes.
01:40:11 Wouldn’t we pay attention to what he
01:40:13 loves and what he hates? Knowing that he
01:40:16 is unchanging and that and therefore
01:40:18 that that doesn’t change what he loves
01:40:21 and what he hates doesn’t change. He
01:40:23 hates these people
01:40:27 that you hate the deeds of the niclatans
01:40:30 whose deeds I also hate
01:40:34 which as been brought up earlier
01:40:36 includes the topdown
01:40:38 leadership
01:40:41 and that’s in civil and religious church
01:40:45 government.
01:40:47 So you so
01:40:51 even if you’re not even if you even if
01:40:54 you don’t necessarily feel like you can
01:40:57 be like him if you love him
01:41:01 do what he loves and don’t do what he
01:41:04 hates.
01:41:07 Yes. Um, and just in closing, I I do
01:41:11 want to bring out the importance that
01:41:14 wickedness and righteousness do have
01:41:17 patterns and they’re diff and the
01:41:21 wickedness twists righteousness. Now,
01:41:24 the question is how they’re twisting it.
01:41:27 And in government, it is uh righteous to
01:41:31 vote, including in the church, if I can
01:41:36 get down here. Um, it’s all over the
01:41:39 place. So much and it’s described
01:41:41 multiple ways with the different words
01:41:43 that I’m showing 1828 dictionary
01:41:46 definitions and clicks so you can go get
01:41:49 to them and check me.
01:41:51 >> Yeah,
01:41:51 >> I’m not doing this for money. I’m doing
01:41:54 this to help. I I’ve gotten if anything
01:41:56 I’ve lost money. But
01:42:00 these scriptures
01:42:01 from Yahweh through the holy prophet
01:42:04 Joseph Smith shows
01:42:08 church government is by vote. If you
01:42:10 believe Brigham Young is a prophet
01:42:12 despite that I don’t Brigham Young said
01:42:16 himself.
01:42:17 Joseph Smith was president by vote and
01:42:21 that just because he was a president
01:42:24 doesn’t mean he’s a prophet or vice
01:42:26 versa. They’re independent. So just FYI,
01:42:30 prophet is a calling from Yahweh.
01:42:32 Period.
01:42:34 >> Yes.
01:42:35 >> President of the church is a calling
01:42:37 from the people.
01:42:39 >> Yes.
01:42:39 >> Now the people who are able to be voted
01:42:43 for have to have the Melzdc priesthood,
01:42:46 which ironically Brigham Y Young stated
01:42:49 he did not have. Um,
01:42:52 so he was not even eligible for people
01:42:54 to vote on him to be president. Um, I’ll
01:43:00 just show that real quick.
01:43:03 So, here’s bringing up. Now, I will
01:43:05 cause some of you to marvel that I was
01:43:08 not ordained a high priest before I was
01:43:11 ordained an apostle. So now um this I I
01:43:14 do believe gets into the fact that the
01:43:16 three witnesses were overeager to do
01:43:20 what they were told to do. Um but
01:43:22 anyways, brother Kimbol and myself were
01:43:24 never wait
01:43:28 ordained high priest. How wonder he’s
01:43:31 glory how he’s going against the words
01:43:35 of yaw. When a man is ordained to be an
01:43:37 apostle, his priesthood was not
01:43:39 beginning of days or end of life. like
01:43:40 the priesthood of the Melzdc. So he’s
01:43:43 even there mentioned again he doesn’t
01:43:45 have the priesthood of Melzdc. You need
01:43:47 Melzdc priesthood to be president of the
01:43:50 church as described in DNC 107. Uh and I
01:43:55 have quotes on that in here. But
01:43:57 anyways, I’ll put a link to this.
01:44:00 >> They should never have voted for him to
01:44:01 be the president of the church.
01:44:03 >> Well, they never did.
01:44:05 >> Yeah.
01:44:05 >> Yeah, that’s true. That’s true. He was
01:44:07 he got them to vote that he would just
01:44:09 watch over the church.
01:44:11 >> Mhm.
01:44:12 >> But then after he’d been the watching
01:44:15 over the church, he then just took over.
01:44:18 >> Yeah.
01:44:18 >> They never voted it up. I I just want to
01:44:21 close with this and then anybody else
01:44:22 can say what they want. Look for these
01:44:25 patterns.
01:44:27 What evil does has not changed. Yes,
01:44:30 it’s a twist of righteousness. Now, how
01:44:32 is it twisting it? Righteousness follows
01:44:36 the same pattern.
01:44:38 Satan usurped and wanted to take away
01:44:41 agency and vote. It happened with the
01:44:44 kingmen in Alma 51 and it’s happened
01:44:48 with civil and religious governments.
01:44:54 Don’t be part of evil organizations. You
01:44:58 cannot change them within. The topdown
01:45:01 organization does not let the righteous
01:45:04 people move up.
01:45:09 Don’t be part of it. Speak out against
01:45:11 it from the outside, not inside.
01:45:14 Let anybody else say so. Okay. So I
01:45:17 would say
01:45:19 um
01:45:23 the um
01:45:28 there is a
01:45:33 there is a tendency
01:45:37 um
01:45:39 there is a tendency among people to look
01:45:42 for somebody else.
01:45:46 um to save them, take responsibility for
01:45:50 their for where they are.
01:45:54 Um
01:46:00 that person
01:46:03 who would save you, the only person who
01:46:05 can save you is Yeshua.
01:46:08 The only person who can and he will and
01:46:12 he will only save you
01:46:15 if you love him.
01:46:19 Now, the thing about the righteous path
01:46:24 is that it always
01:46:26 always
01:46:28 honors the agency
01:46:31 of the of our immortal souls.
01:46:45 The system that we are currently under
01:46:50 does not honor your agency.
01:46:55 They give you the chance to vote
01:46:58 while laughing at you behind closed
01:47:00 doors.
01:47:02 We live in a the country governed by
01:47:07 Gaddy robbers.
01:47:10 This is your horrible situation
01:47:16 and there is a solution
01:47:23 but it is not that solution is not to
01:47:27 take up arms against the government.
01:47:32 is simply to opt into a better
01:47:37 government by Torah.
01:47:40 Now the government of this country will
01:47:42 not understand that
01:47:48 but
01:47:51 that is your option at this time. This
01:47:55 is how horrible our situation is.
01:48:00 You can choose to be governed by God or
01:48:04 you can continue to put your trust
01:48:11 the Christian right
01:48:15 and in the uh and it or the social
01:48:19 gospel
01:48:22 or whatever political
01:48:26 the quasi political religious thing that
01:48:29 you put your faith
01:48:31 where you can choose,
01:48:35 really choose
01:48:37 to really exercise
01:48:40 particle faith and allow God to be and
01:48:46 allow Elohim
01:48:49 Yla to be your Elohim, your judge.
01:48:56 face the persecutions of the world
01:49:02 and walk with him.
01:49:05 Struggle
01:49:07 with God and man
01:49:09 and prevail.
01:49:14 And that’s the choice that we have
01:49:15 before us
01:49:18 to try to leave God out of the picture
01:49:20 and try to solve things either
01:49:24 politically or violently
01:49:28 or to leave this or to leave the Gaden
01:49:31 robbers out of the picture and allow
01:49:33 Elohim to be our judge.
01:49:44 Let
01:49:45 I pray you will make the right choice.
01:49:48 The right choice
01:49:50 is to honor the first commandment.
01:49:55 Thou shalt have no other heed before me.
01:50:00 seek Yeshua, come under his covering and
01:50:03 uh keep his commandments and help others
01:50:05 do the same and learn to discern. And
01:50:09 that’s by learning Torah or the light as
01:50:13 Moroni 7 brings out. And we say this
01:50:15 name, Yeshua, the Messiah. Amen. Thank
01:50:18 you.