Scripture Study 2025-10-29 Not all was Restored

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Expounding D&C (LDS 63:32-35)(RLDS 63)(1833 64)(1835 20)(1844 20) on why not everything was restored with Joseph Smith. The leaders of Zion need to be striving to keep Torah and helping others to do the same. YHWH withholds His behavior / character from the wicked. 1 Nephi (LDS 13:34)(RLDS 3:181-183) is about how Joseph Smith restored much of the gospel, not all of it. The words plain and precious both point to Torah. Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by the gift and power of Elohim. Torah, aka all things, was not restored by Joseph Smith, but will be restored latter by the Mighty and Strong One. The gospel is found within Torah, including Deuteronomy. We should not do “one can do anything with a verse taken out of context”. The gospel, the good news, is that Yeshua paid our sin debt. Alma (LDS 12:9-11)(RLDS 9:15-21) teaches we need to heed truth to get more. We need the knowledge that we are justified and sanctified. Faith is trusting in YHWH’s word and being diligent in keeping His Torah. YHWH swears in His wrath that the wicked will not enter His presence. YHWH took the Melchizedek priesthood away, left Torah, and gave a punishment in addition, known as Law of Moses, when the Israelites and mixed multitude sinned. Ordinance means both laws and ceremonies and depends on context. Melchizedek priesthood is given by YHWH’s own voice. The first three plagues during Moses affected everyone just as the first 3 seals from Revelation will affect everyone. The Second Coming is very near. Torah is consistent for everyone. In heaven those who receive more glory will be serving those with lesser glory. Paul is an apostle of Yeshua. You can’t have faith without works. The wages of sin is death. Shema is Faith.

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00:00:02 Well, tonight my son John
00:00:07 asked me to lead a discussion
00:00:11 on um a block of verses in Doctrine and
00:00:14 Covenant section 63.
00:00:17 So, actually, just to be specific, it’s
00:00:19 uh DCLDS
00:00:21 63. 32 is the one that he specifically
00:00:24 wanted, but I do think we should go over
00:00:26 32 through 35, right? Anyway,
00:00:30 he asked me to go he asked me to lead
00:00:33 the lesson on this and I think this is a
00:00:35 very fine uh this is a very fine um
00:00:38 thing to teach about on this day. Uh
00:00:42 this will probably not be a very long
00:00:44 recording, but there’s very important
00:00:47 points in here. So, I hope I hope this
00:00:49 gets out to some people who aren’t here
00:00:51 and that they can hear what uh hear what
00:00:54 the scriptures bring forward. Now in
00:00:57 doctrine of covenants section 6 doctrine
00:00:58 of covenant section 63 was was given
00:01:02 August 30th 1831 and there was a great
00:01:05 deal of concern among the saints about
00:01:07 the establishment of Zion um
00:01:10 things relating to salvation all of
00:01:13 these things and this is and Joseph
00:01:15 Smith in fact in Joseph Smith’s journal
00:01:17 it’s written in these infant days of the
00:01:19 church because we’re still the church is
00:01:22 still not even one year old in these
00:01:24 infant days of the church, there was a
00:01:26 great anxiety to obtain the word of Yah.
00:01:30 And yes, I’m using Y instead of the Lord
00:01:32 here.
00:01:34 Guess what? It’s the same thing. Get
00:01:35 over it. Upon every subject that in any
00:01:39 way concerned our salvation. And as the
00:01:42 land of Zion was now the most important
00:01:45 temporal object in view, I inquired of
00:01:48 Ya for further information upon the
00:01:52 gathering of the saints and the purchase
00:01:54 of the land and other matters. So that
00:01:57 is what is contained in this section.
00:01:59 This is the question that was asked is
00:02:02 um this is what was being referred to um
00:02:06 in relation to these to this section. Um
00:02:10 I think it’s important to note that as
00:02:12 the land of Zion is the most important
00:02:14 temporal object in view. This was the
00:02:17 pro to the prophet I think this is the
00:02:19 prophet Joseph Smith’s own opinion on
00:02:21 this or known belief that the land of
00:02:24 Zion is the most important temporal
00:02:25 object in view. I believe temporally
00:02:28 speaking that Zion is probably
00:02:34 Zion is probably the most important
00:02:37 object in view. However,
00:02:41 we will not we will never be able to
00:02:43 establish Zion while we are while we are
00:02:46 at variance with
00:02:47 >> Y.
00:02:49 [Music]
00:02:50 So, um it does say temporal object in
00:02:54 view. Um also um
00:02:59 I I the leaders of Zion have to be
00:03:04 um
00:03:06 in
00:03:08 alignment with Yahweh in his ways.
00:03:10 >> Absolutely.
00:03:11 >> Um and not necessarily people who are in
00:03:13 it because they’re just learning, right?
00:03:17 >> Yeah. Yeah. It’s Zion is supposed to be
00:03:20 able to help people. It’s supposed to
00:03:22 expedite. It’s it’s supposed to be able
00:03:25 to expedite the learning curve for many
00:03:28 people.
00:03:29 >> Yes. And it will provide protection from
00:03:32 the world which is sadly the only reason
00:03:36 why some people will come but as long as
00:03:38 they keep
00:03:40 uh the laws um
00:03:44 they can stay. So anyways,
00:03:46 >> yep. So, let’s go down to sec verse 32,
00:03:50 which is where which is where John
00:03:52 wanted me to start.
00:03:55 >> Oops.
00:03:57 Okay.
00:03:58 >> Okay. And if I could get Josh to read
00:04:01 verse 32.
00:04:03 Sure.
00:04:06 I, Yahwa, amry.
00:04:09 >> Wait, wait, wait. What did he say?
00:04:12 >> He said angry.
00:04:13 >> Okay.
00:04:15 >> Yeah. because I know that a lot of
00:04:16 people nowadays don’t like to think of
00:04:18 of Yahweh as someone who gets angry.
00:04:20 He’s all loveydovey and and it it
00:04:23 everything is good.
00:04:24 >> I think there’s also a verse in Psalms
00:04:26 that covers um this is saying roughly
00:04:30 the same thing as that verse.
00:04:32 >> Yeah. Uh and there is also it’s in the
00:04:34 Book of Mormon too, but
00:04:39 >> it says the verse says that Yoha hates
00:04:41 the wicked.
00:04:43 >> Correct. And the ones in Psalms 5. Yes.
00:04:46 >> Psalms 5.
00:04:47 >> So I, Yahweh, am angry with the wicked.
00:04:53 I am holding my spirit or behavior
00:04:58 from the inhabitants of the earth.
00:05:01 >> So that Okay. So who is he? Who is he
00:05:05 holding his spirit from?
00:05:08 >> The inhabitants of the earth.
00:05:10 >> The inhabitants. Yeah. The inhabitants
00:05:12 of the earth. the wicked inhabitants of
00:05:14 the earth,
00:05:15 >> right?
00:05:15 >> So, um, did that exclude w were all
00:05:20 members of the church excluded from
00:05:21 that?
00:05:23 >> Well, I think not. uh a lot of the
00:05:25 members in in other revelations Yahweh
00:05:28 did say he even in uh DNC 1 uh if I
00:05:33 remember correctly it does bring out how
00:05:35 he’s
00:05:36 uh the uh I don’t remember the exact
00:05:41 words but the church in general are in
00:05:44 wickedness but I he was not talking to
00:05:47 every single individual
00:05:49 >> yeah not to every individual not every
00:05:51 individual was full of wickedness but
00:05:53 the church and as the church in general.
00:05:56 >> Yeah,
00:05:57 >> the church in general was not in a good
00:05:59 place.
00:06:01 >> So he’s even holding his spirit from the
00:06:05 from the rest holding some of his spirit
00:06:09 from the restoration. And this actually
00:06:11 is in this actually is spoken of quite
00:06:15 um so what does it mean when he says
00:06:18 he’s holding his spirit from the
00:06:21 >> How about we go look at that word
00:06:23 definition real quick.
00:06:25 >> Yeah, let’s actually look at that word
00:06:26 definition of spirit. Um
00:06:29 >> so I’m going to pause while we get that
00:06:30 ready just
00:06:31 >> Okay.
00:06:35 >> Okay. So spirit uh
00:06:38 withholding his spirit. Um now uh
00:06:43 there’s several definitions um that I
00:06:46 think apply from the 18 that I believe
00:06:50 apply from the 1828 Webster’s dictionary
00:06:52 which is a very important tool to have
00:06:54 if you want to understand the original
00:06:56 revelations of of Joseph Smith. Uh that
00:07:00 because they’re given to him in words
00:07:02 that he could understand. Um so we need
00:07:07 to look at those definitions. Um one of
00:07:10 those is
00:07:13 definition four temper disposition of
00:07:16 mind habitual or temporary habitual has
00:07:20 to do with behavior.
00:07:23 >> Yeah. Uh continual
00:07:25 >> behavior, right?
00:07:27 >> Yeah. Yeah. Habitual has to do with
00:07:29 behavior that we are that we are in. Um
00:07:33 also verse uh definition 8 comes to mind
00:07:37 here. Turn of mind, temper, occasions,
00:07:42 state of the state of mind. So the the
00:07:45 and these things these things are be
00:07:48 these things are governed by behaviors
00:07:52 and consequences of other people’s
00:07:54 behaviors. So we’re here again, we’re
00:07:56 getting into that. Um
00:08:00 >> I think 11’s another good one. 11. Eager
00:08:02 desire, disposition of mind, excited and
00:08:05 directed on to a particular object. If
00:08:07 the mind is excited and directed to a
00:08:09 particular object, what does what does
00:08:10 the mind do? It comes up with ways and
00:08:12 it and it causes you to behave in ways
00:08:15 to achieve that object. Is that’s not
00:08:17 correct? Yes, it is. Another um person
00:08:20 of activity,
00:08:23 a great spirit, a man of is a person of
00:08:26 activity,
00:08:28 man of life, vigor or enterprise.
00:08:32 >> So that sounds like behavior.
00:08:34 >> That sounds like that sounds like not
00:08:37 only behavior but a behavior pattern
00:08:40 that governs your life.
00:08:44 >> Yes.
00:08:44 >> Excitement ver definition 14.
00:08:47 excitement, mind, animation,
00:08:50 cheerfulness, usually in the plural. We
00:08:53 found our friend in very good spirits.
00:08:55 What does one say? What does one What
00:08:58 does one say when somebody is gets
00:09:00 enthusiastic about something that you
00:09:03 that you uh about an idea that you tell
00:09:07 them about? That’s the spirit.
00:09:10 [Music]
00:09:13 >> Enthusiasm is a behavior. enthusiasm is
00:09:16 shown in behavior.
00:09:18 And so as we can see here, but uh
00:09:22 through
00:09:24 while it may not state the word behavior
00:09:28 specifically,
00:09:29 many of the definitions point to the
00:09:32 spirit as a governing agent in behavior.
00:09:37 Mhm.
00:09:38 >> Well, and I like 15 life or strength of
00:09:42 re resemblance essential qualities.
00:09:46 >> Yes. Yes. And that is all about your
00:09:49 character.
00:09:50 >> Yeah.
00:09:51 >> That is all about your character. So
00:09:54 when it says I’m withholding my spirit,
00:09:56 he’s withholding his character.
00:09:58 >> Yeah.
00:09:59 >> Withholding his behavior.
00:10:01 >> He’s withholding that which governs.
00:10:03 He’s beholding things which would govern
00:10:05 our behavior. Why is he doing this?
00:10:06 because we don’t want our behavior
00:10:08 governed.
00:10:10 We are rebellious twits.
00:10:16 >> Yes. Uh sadly, uh we’re much like the
00:10:21 Israelites and the mixed multitude,
00:10:23 right?
00:10:23 >> And so he is holding his spirit. Yes.
00:10:26 Exactly. And so he is holding his spirit
00:10:29 from
00:10:31 them just as he withheld it from the
00:10:35 children of Israel in the wilderness.
00:10:38 Also, this was prophesied that this
00:10:40 would happen.
00:10:42 >> Yes. Okay. So, I I I when we’re at some
00:10:45 point, I do want to bring out Elma, but
00:10:47 we it sounds like you want to go first
00:10:48 Nephi 13.
00:10:50 >> Yeah, let’s let’s go to that first. Uh,
00:10:54 and then we can go to Elma and you can
00:10:57 you can bring that out. And it came to
00:10:59 pass that the angel of Yah spake unto
00:11:01 me. By the way, the angel of Y is Yahwa
00:11:05 saying,
00:11:06 >> and this shows that Yahweh who was
00:11:09 speaking to Nephi and not the Holy
00:11:12 Spirit, but that’s another subject.
00:11:14 >> Yeah, that’s a different subject
00:11:15 entirely. And we won’t get sidetracked.
00:11:17 Not terribly. Saying, “Behold saith the
00:11:20 lamb. Behold, saith the Lamb of Elohim,
00:11:24 after I have visited the remnant of the
00:11:28 house of Israel, and this remnant of
00:11:30 whom I speak is the seed of thy father.
00:11:33 >> So, uh, he’s talking to Nephi here. And
00:11:36 so, this is the Lehites. Okay.
00:11:39 >> Yeah.
00:11:40 >> Yeah.
00:11:41 >> Yeah. Wherefore, after I have visited
00:11:43 them in judgment and smitten them by the
00:11:45 hand of the Gentiles, and the Gentiles
00:11:48 >> I just want to Sorry, Ben. European by
00:11:50 the hand of the USA.
00:11:52 >> Yep. And that would be well yes the USA.
00:11:57 Um and also and also the before the USA
00:12:00 existed the Europeans were also smiting
00:12:03 the Lehites as well.
00:12:04 >> That’s true. That’s before the USA was
00:12:06 formed. But good point.
00:12:08 >> And after the Gentiles do stumble
00:12:10 exceedingly.
00:12:11 Um, talk about there was a lot of
00:12:14 stumbling going around going on in 1820
00:12:17 around that time.
00:12:19 >> Well, and still even today and this
00:12:22 primarily is dealing with um knowing
00:12:26 Yahweh and his ways. Right.
00:12:28 >> Right. Right.
00:12:29 >> Right. They and the Gentiles haven’t
00:12:32 known Yoha and his ways because what
00:12:35 they have been taught is a religion that
00:12:38 was hijacked
00:12:40 by
00:12:42 followers of Satan whether they knew
00:12:44 they were followers of Satan or not.
00:12:46 >> Correct. And in the New Testament uh
00:12:49 Paul and other apostles did bring out
00:12:51 how they were falling into an apostasy.
00:12:54 Right.
00:12:55 >> Yes.
00:12:56 Okay. So after the Gentiles do stumble
00:12:59 exceedingly because of the most plain
00:13:00 and precious parts of the gospel of the
00:13:03 lamb.
00:13:04 >> Okay. Do you want to talk about what the
00:13:05 plain and precious parts are?
00:13:07 >> Okay. So plain
00:13:10 that word plain Hebrew idiom
00:13:14 meaning Torah.
00:13:16 >> Yes.
00:13:17 >> Precious
00:13:19 uh plain plain plain equals Torah. Pre
00:13:23 and to me precious equals atonement.
00:13:26 Okay.
00:13:28 >> Uh I I can see that. But there are words
00:13:32 uh and phrases that do point precious to
00:13:35 the law
00:13:36 >> as well to Torah as well. Um yeah and
00:13:40 the thing Yeah. So I do think I and that
00:13:43 is obvious and that
00:13:46 to me and that that is true that you
00:13:50 cannot de you can’t because it is stated
00:13:53 that the Torah is precious and it is
00:13:55 stated that the Torah is plain. So plain
00:13:58 and precious definitely points to Torah.
00:14:00 Um, I do believe that the I I do the
00:14:03 reason I tend to the reason I tend to
00:14:07 say Torah and Yeshua is because both are
00:14:10 plain and precious. And in many ways,
00:14:13 uh, Yeshua was the Torah walking among
00:14:17 us.
00:14:17 >> Uh, I I do agree with that point. Um,
00:14:21 but I would wonder if this an should be
00:14:23 even. But anyway, that’s another that
00:14:26 and that’s and that’s and that’s a valid
00:14:28 point you bring up. You had something.
00:14:30 >> No.
00:14:31 >> No. No. Okay.
00:14:33 >> Plain and precious parts of the gospel
00:14:36 of the lamb
00:14:38 which have been kept back by that
00:14:40 abominable church which is the mother of
00:14:42 harlots, saith the lamb. Okay. So, real
00:14:45 quick, I I there is more and more coming
00:14:48 out how after the apostles went out,
00:14:53 there were modifications to things and
00:14:56 even more Protestants are acknowledging
00:14:59 this.
00:15:00 >> Yeah.
00:15:01 >> Um and here it is in the Book of Mormon.
00:15:04 um since Nephi put it in or and more
00:15:07 specifically which would matter more to
00:15:09 people when Joseph Smith translated it
00:15:12 which was not even thought of at that
00:15:16 time.
00:15:16 >> Right?
00:15:20 This the you see the Book of Mormon
00:15:22 keeps getting proven more and more as
00:15:24 time goes on.
00:15:26 >> Correct?
00:15:27 >> I will be merciful unto the Gentiles in
00:15:30 that day.
00:15:32 So after they’ve stumbled, he will be
00:15:34 merciful unto the Gentiles in that day.
00:15:36 In what day? In so much that I will
00:15:39 bring forth unto them in mine own power
00:15:42 much of my gospel.
00:15:44 >> Okay, so I I know uh we probably don’t
00:15:47 need to do this, but I want to anyways.
00:15:49 So let’s go to the definition of much.
00:15:51 Okay.
00:15:52 >> Because I I I do think that there are
00:15:55 some people who would still want to
00:15:57 argue that it’s that it might include
00:15:59 all, but um I think we’ll find
00:16:04 >> Yeah, they they would they’d have to be
00:16:07 crazy to think that, but I mean there
00:16:09 are some crazy ideas out there.
00:16:12 >> There are people who will grasp at
00:16:14 straws to prove that which is not
00:16:16 provable uh under normal circumstances.
00:16:19 >> Yeah. Yes.
00:16:22 >> Okay. Great in quantity or amount. Okay.
00:16:26 Obviously,
00:16:28 uh long in duration, many in number
00:16:33 to a great degree
00:16:35 or intent.
00:16:38 >> Extent.
00:16:39 >> Or extent. Yeah, sorry.
00:16:42 >> For some reason, my glasses are just not
00:16:44 working well for me today. To a great
00:16:46 degree or extent.
00:16:49 uh often or long nearly
00:16:52 nearly
00:16:55 nearly all
00:16:57 and to a great degree or extent both of
00:16:59 those are very much what is being talked
00:17:03 about there. A great amount of um a
00:17:08 great amount of the gospel was restored
00:17:11 but not all of it.
00:17:13 >> Correct. Uh I don’t know if you want to
00:17:15 look at more words or if that’s
00:17:16 >> I’m I’m good. Okay,
00:17:18 >> I’m good. Uh, most of those none of
00:17:21 those, nothing that I’ve seen so far
00:17:23 indicates all.
00:17:25 >> No,
00:17:28 I mean, we could look at the word all if
00:17:30 you want, but um
00:17:31 >> No, no, I think I’m good.
00:17:34 >> Okay, I think I think we’re good.
00:17:37 >> So, in my So, in so much as I’ll bring
00:17:40 forth unto them in mine own power.
00:17:44 >> Oh, in his own power. And I think that’s
00:17:46 really important
00:17:48 because throughout the time,
00:17:51 what is it that Joseph Smith
00:17:53 consistently said about the Book of
00:17:54 Mormon that it was brought forth by the
00:17:56 gift and power of God?
00:17:58 >> Yeah. In fact, if you’re willing, we can
00:18:01 go look at that at the title page from
00:18:03 the gold plates.
00:18:05 >> Yeah.
00:18:08 >> I think it’s this one.
00:18:12 Yeah.
00:18:16 There we go. It’s right there.
00:18:18 >> Okay. To come forth by the gift and
00:18:21 power of God onto the interpretation
00:18:24 thereof,
00:18:27 sealed by the hand of Moroni and hid up
00:18:29 unto y to come forth in due time by way
00:18:34 of the gentile.
00:18:36 >> Joseph Smith was a gentile. Okay.
00:18:40 So this is so what you have here
00:18:45 is the u so so what you have here is the
00:18:49 fulfillment of this prophecy going on
00:18:51 here
00:18:52 >> wi with Joseph Smith in the Book of
00:18:54 Mormon
00:18:55 >> Joseph Smith in the Book of Mormon. Much
00:18:58 of my gospel
00:19:02 >> which shall be plain and precious sayeth
00:19:04 the Lamb. So I I do think I do agree
00:19:08 with what is stated in the Doctrine of
00:19:09 Covenants that the fullness of the
00:19:11 gospel was revealed but the fullness of
00:19:13 Torah was not.
00:19:15 >> Yes. Uh and that’s all things that the
00:19:17 might and strong one will do. But one
00:19:19 thing I do want to bring out here uh
00:19:21 it’s saying the gospel is plain even
00:19:26 precious.
00:19:27 >> Yes.
00:19:27 >> Now this is one thing that I’ve harped
00:19:29 on before that the gospel is found
00:19:32 within Torah. Yes. Uh yeah, you can
00:19:37 actually Yeah, you can actually find uh
00:19:40 you can actually find it throughout even
00:19:42 the you can find it throughout um the
00:19:45 first five books of Moses even.
00:19:47 >> Yeah. Including Deuteronomy
00:19:50 that uh the Deuteronomists and believers
00:19:54 like to claim it’s not there and it’s
00:19:56 there.
00:19:57 >> Yeah. So just because you um just
00:20:00 because you don’t
00:20:03 uh understand something
00:20:06 >> or are in or are seemingly incapable
00:20:10 of understanding the deeper meanings of
00:20:13 what’s on the page
00:20:15 >> or you’re just taking one verse out of
00:20:18 context,
00:20:20 >> right?
00:20:20 >> I can do all things by I can do all
00:20:23 things with one verse taken out of
00:20:25 context. But um
00:20:29 [Laughter]
00:20:32 >> but uh you know just because you don’t
00:20:37 understand what’s there doesn’t mean
00:20:40 it’s not there
00:20:43 >> and just because your minister who
00:20:46 learned from Jesuits doesn’t understand
00:20:49 what’s there
00:20:51 >> now. Okay. So on this Jesuit thing, it
00:20:53 does matter uh generally speaking which
00:20:56 church I if you’re a general Christian
00:21:00 church, Protestant um I if I always have
00:21:04 a hard time with that word
00:21:06 >> evangelical evangelical
00:21:08 >> yes or or Catholic or Baptist uh your
00:21:11 preachers do go to Jesuit churches I
00:21:15 mean I’m sorry schools to learn but LDS
00:21:19 ones do not But uh they still hold to a
00:21:23 lot of those false traditions that have
00:21:25 crept in by converts or other
00:21:31 >> the reason why they hold to these fa
00:21:34 there’s the one reason why they could
00:21:37 hold to these false traditions
00:21:40 >> is because
00:21:43 they don’t know themselves.
00:21:45 >> Yeah. Yeah. A and the uh a lot of
00:21:52 >> people sadly only know a few verses here
00:21:56 and there at Sunday school and not even
00:21:58 the uh the context that surrounds it.
00:22:02 Right.
00:22:02 >> Which is why they have to do all things
00:22:04 through a verse taken out of context.
00:22:06 >> Uh that’s not they don’t have to. That’s
00:22:10 Anyways,
00:22:12 >> I I’m don’t Don’t get too Don’t get too
00:22:16 worked up. I’m just
00:22:17 >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I I’ll I won’t be
00:22:19 technical, Timmy. I’ll leave it at that.
00:22:21 >> I’m just being a little silly there.
00:22:23 >> Okay.
00:22:24 >> Let’s go back to So, this is where it
00:22:27 is. This is the prophecy about that. And
00:22:29 if you want to bring out Alma now, that
00:22:31 would be
00:22:31 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, but a big thing just
00:22:34 to review uh this shows that Yahweh held
00:22:39 uh information or gospel
00:22:42 >> or held his spirit,
00:22:47 >> right? And um so the I will say this
00:22:52 real quick that this vision uh that
00:22:55 Yahweh
00:22:57 uh walked Nephi through is a historical
00:23:01 one. And this verse right here,
00:23:03 especially the end hopefully is fairly
00:23:06 obvious, is about Joseph Smith and the
00:23:08 translation of the Book of Mormon. Okay?
00:23:12 >> Uh and and it says much there, not all.
00:23:16 And on top of that, it says gospel,
00:23:18 which is has a specific meaning.
00:23:21 >> It’s the good news that Yeshua paid our
00:23:25 debt. Okay.
00:23:26 >> Yes.
00:23:28 >> Yes. Um
00:23:30 but
00:23:31 uh later more will be given. So
00:23:34 hopefully cuz anyways this is a
00:23:38 sequential prophecy through here and
00:23:40 this one does have a specific thing
00:23:43 about uh what I just said. So but
00:23:46 >> yes and and in verse 14 it talks about
00:23:48 the end and in chapter 14 it talks about
00:23:50 the end times.
00:23:52 >> Uh yes and there is a verse in there
00:23:54 about the mighty and strong one also.
00:23:56 Um, so sorry about that interruption.
00:24:00 Ben, where were you trying to go?
00:24:02 >> Uh, if you want to go to Elma now,
00:24:04 that’s fine.
00:24:04 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um,
00:24:09 if I remember in relation to much to uh
00:24:13 withholding my spirit.
00:24:15 >> Yes.
00:24:16 >> Yeah. Yes, it is. So, this is Elma uh
00:24:20 129 through 11. Um,
00:24:24 and I’ll just read it. And now Elma
00:24:27 began to expound these things unto him,
00:24:29 saying, It is given unto many to know
00:24:32 the mysteries of Elohim,
00:24:35 Netherless,
00:24:37 they are laid under a command, that they
00:24:40 shall not impart only,
00:24:43 according to the portion of his words,
00:24:45 which he ha he doth grant unto the
00:24:49 children of men, according to the heed
00:24:52 and diligence which they give unto him.
00:24:54 So the early members of the church were
00:24:56 not giving heed and diligence and his
00:24:58 spirit was withheld.
00:24:59 >> Right? And I think I always get 84 and
00:25:03 88 mixed up, but I think this is 84
00:25:06 where he states that uh he’s not pleased
00:25:11 because they’re not abiding the covenant
00:25:13 in the Book of Mormon and what he wrote
00:25:16 with his finger, which is Torah.
00:25:20 >> That’s Doctrine of Covenant section 84.
00:25:22 Yes.
00:25:23 >> Yeah. Okay. I don’t remember the verses.
00:25:24 We could look it up. But anyways, um, so
00:25:28 that goes along with this same idea that
00:25:30 we’re pushing according to the heat and
00:25:32 diligence which they give unto him. DNC
00:25:36 84 brings out how they were not heeding
00:25:39 and giving diligence. Okay,
00:25:41 >> they were taking lightly.
00:25:43 >> Yes, that’s the opposite.
00:25:49 And therefore, he that will harden his
00:25:52 heart, the same receivest the lesser
00:25:55 portion of the word. Oh, wait a minute.
00:25:58 Could that I I mean, not exactly, but
00:26:01 that definitely go kind of goes like a
00:26:04 portion, which much is because much is a
00:26:06 portion.
00:26:08 >> Yes.
00:26:08 >> I I I mean, I do think much is more than
00:26:11 lesser, but I it it is kind of an all.
00:26:16 It’s lesser because it’s not all.
00:26:19 >> Uh yes, but I I do think less is smaller
00:26:23 than much. Um is more on being
00:26:25 >> Yeah. Generally quantitatively on a
00:26:27 general quantitative basis less is
00:26:31 smaller than
00:26:33 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:33 >> Less less than much.
00:26:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. But it it is still saying
00:26:38 this showing the same principle even
00:26:40 though maybe u slight different
00:26:43 circumstances. Right.
00:26:45 >> Yeah. Right. Right.
00:26:47 >> Uh of the word until they know nothing.
00:26:51 Okay. So, this is going off of how they
00:26:53 will start losing
00:26:55 >> until they know nothing concerning his
00:26:58 mysteries.
00:26:59 >> And all you have to do is go to a Sunday
00:27:02 school lesson in the LDS church. At this
00:27:04 point, you can see that in full
00:27:06 practice.
00:27:09 >> Sadly, yes. I have conned somewhat
00:27:12 recently, although I’ve been banned.
00:27:16 and one ward anyways.
00:27:18 Um, but I I was trying to play nicely,
00:27:21 but they didn’t like I was playing nice.
00:27:23 But anyways, um, and led by his way will
00:27:27 down to destruction. Oh, wait. You need
00:27:30 to know these things. Oh, that goes with
00:27:31 Amos. You’re destroyed for not having
00:27:35 knowledge,
00:27:36 >> right?
00:27:37 >> Yeah. And but it’s not just general
00:27:39 knowledge. It’s not just you’re
00:27:41 destroyed because you didn’t know how to
00:27:43 tie a bow line.
00:27:45 or or how to tie your shoelaces.
00:27:48 >> Yeah, I was going to say, yeah,
00:27:50 something silly like that. Yeah.
00:27:52 >> Yeah. Yeah. It’s knowledge about you
00:27:54 being sanctified
00:27:57 or justified
00:27:58 >> or knowledge. The knowledge that
00:28:01 matters, the knowledge of the ways of
00:28:03 Elohim.
00:28:05 >> I know.
00:28:07 >> So, um when you’re justified, you don’t
00:28:09 necessarily know, but you’re still
00:28:12 saved.
00:28:13 >> You’re not destroyed but sanctified
00:28:16 which is the ultimate goal is that’s
00:28:19 when you do know and keep Yahweh’s ways.
00:28:23 Okay?
00:28:24 >> Right?
00:28:25 >> There’s a difference between
00:28:26 justification and sanctification.
00:28:28 Justification you don’t necessarily know
00:28:30 but you you
00:28:32 did at least did have a desire to know.
00:28:35 Whether if that desire stayed with you
00:28:37 or not is another question. But
00:28:38 >> well, the thing I like about these
00:28:40 verses is they go into why
00:28:43 >> there was a lesser portion given.
00:28:47 >> Yeah. Uh because they rejected it.
00:28:50 >> Correct.
00:28:51 >> They rejected uh much of what they were
00:28:54 given in the first place.
00:28:56 >> Yeah. Which actually patterns church
00:28:58 history, doesn’t it?
00:29:00 >> No.
00:29:01 >> And and and it all the way back to Adam.
00:29:07 >> Uh history
00:29:09 >> in general. Yes.
00:29:10 >> It patterns the general history of the
00:29:12 calledout assembly all the way back to
00:29:14 Adam.
00:29:15 >> Yes. Uh one example I can think contrary
00:29:18 to that is the city of Enoch, but they
00:29:21 were kind of an exception. So
00:29:23 >> they they were um and also I believe the
00:29:27 city of Salem, though I don’t
00:29:31 >> I I I can see that with the little bit
00:29:33 we know. Um that’s true. I I can go with
00:29:36 that.
00:29:37 >> Yeah. Yep. Yep.
00:29:39 >> But all of this is brought about through
00:29:41 the ministration of righteous kings who
00:29:44 what taught Torah.
00:29:47 >> Not necessarily kings, but at least
00:29:49 priests or or elders.
00:29:52 >> Yeah. Melkisedc is known as the king of
00:29:54 peace.
00:29:55 >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, um yes, but uh Zion uh
00:30:00 Enoch didn’t have that title, so that’s
00:30:02 why I was getting
00:30:02 >> Oh, he Oh. Oh, yes. Yes. I see. I see.
00:30:05 Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:06 >> Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. You know, you’re
00:30:08 right. You’re right.
00:30:12 Okay. So, the verse Okay. So, I think
00:30:15 maybe just to review, Yahweh’s held
00:30:18 things back
00:30:20 because he was angry. And he’s angry
00:30:23 because we’re not showing faith as in
00:30:25 being
00:30:26 >> they’re not trusting and being diligent
00:30:29 in keeping his ways. They’re they’re not
00:30:32 not only that, but they’re not being
00:30:34 diligent in searching out even the
00:30:36 revelations that he gives them in the in
00:30:39 their day.
00:30:40 >> Were if they were diligent in searching
00:30:43 out those revelations, they would have
00:30:44 known to go back to um
00:30:49 to go back to the Bible, to the Old
00:30:53 Testament, to Torah.
00:30:55 >> And DNC LDS 59 is one example of that.
00:30:58 But uh another example of them not even
00:31:02 comprehending or understanding or
00:31:04 searching the ones they were recently
00:31:06 given was to do with redemption of Zion
00:31:09 which they were told to buy and not
00:31:12 take.
00:31:15 >> Yeah.
00:31:16 >> So uh All right. So there and so this is
00:31:18 why the spirit is being withheld from
00:31:21 the from the inhabitants of the earth
00:31:23 including those of the restoration.
00:31:28 Okay, Zach, you want to read verse uh
00:31:30 33?
00:31:36 I have sworn my wrath and decreed wars
00:31:39 upon the face of the earth and the
00:31:42 wicked shall slay the wicked and fear
00:31:45 shall come upon me every man. Okay, so
00:31:48 this is a really interesting thing. This
00:31:50 is has language in it now that ties back
00:31:52 to Doctrine and Covenants section 84. Uh
00:31:55 how he swore in his wrath that the
00:31:57 children of Israel would not enter into
00:31:59 his rest. Um
00:32:02 I do think that that’s the same
00:32:05 reverence that he’s making here.
00:32:07 >> Do you want me to go to that or?
00:32:09 >> Yes. Yes.
00:32:10 >> Okay. So I’m going to pause because I
00:32:12 don’t remember the verse. So hold on one
00:32:14 second.
00:32:16 Okay. So, we were when we when we
00:32:19 interrupted here to find the verse, we
00:32:21 um the we were talking about how the
00:32:25 Lord how y
00:32:28 it’s stated that he has sworn in his
00:32:31 wrath in ver in section 63 verse 33. And
00:32:36 here in verse 24, it also talks about
00:32:41 um an instance where the Lord where Ya
00:32:43 swore in his wrath.
00:32:46 Verse 24, but they hardened their
00:32:48 hearts. This would be the children of
00:32:49 Israel and the mixed multitude. They
00:32:52 hardened their hearts and could not
00:32:54 endure his presence. Therefore, Ya in
00:32:57 his wrath, for his anger was kindled
00:32:59 against them. Oh, this reminds me of
00:33:02 verse 32. This also reminds me of verse
00:33:04 32. My anger is kindled against the
00:33:07 wicked.
00:33:09 >> Well, as uh I think you mean from DNC
00:33:12 63.
00:33:13 >> Yeah. 63:32. That’s what I said,
00:33:15 >> right? Oh, okay. And if you want, I can
00:33:18 get up uh Exodus 32 where the same thing
00:33:23 happened, right?
00:33:26 >> These are talking about the same things.
00:33:28 But let me finish verse 24 real quick.
00:33:31 for his anger was kindled against them.
00:33:33 Swore that they should not enter into
00:33:34 his rest while in the wilderness, which
00:33:37 rest is the fullness of his glory,
00:33:43 >> which is sanctification.
00:33:45 >> So they swore that the children of
00:33:47 Israel would not enter into his rest,
00:33:48 but two did enter into the rest that he
00:33:52 had prepared for them. And that was
00:33:54 >> so it was uh in general, not every
00:33:58 single one because Joshua got it.
00:34:00 >> Joshua and Caleb.
00:34:02 >> Yeah.
00:34:04 >> And there were others later, but Yes.
00:34:06 >> Yeah.
00:34:07 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, but that is so there is
00:34:12 that. Do you want to go ahead and get up
00:34:14 Genesis Exodus 32?
00:34:16 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I’m going to pause a
00:34:17 minute because sometimes Kindle takes a
00:34:21 Okay. I I changed my mind. I went to my
00:34:25 law of Moses page that has what I wanted
00:34:27 and it’s Exodus 34, not 32. Sorry about
00:34:30 that. Uh because I’m addicted to kaism.
00:34:35 So I wanted to see it that way. Um but
00:34:38 this talks about the uh same event that
00:34:41 we just read in Doctrine and Covenants.
00:34:44 And it says, “And I Yahweh said unto
00:34:47 Moses, he thee to other tablets of stone
00:34:52 like unto the first. And I Yahweh will
00:34:55 write unto them also the words of the
00:34:58 law Torah
00:35:00 according as they were at the first.” So
00:35:04 it’s not different. Not okay. It’s the
00:35:06 same law. Okay.
00:35:10 Which thou breakest. So that’s going
00:35:12 back to the shave Pentecost event. Um
00:35:17 >> that one’s Exodus 32
00:35:21 where the children Israel were
00:35:25 whoring and abomining. So anyways,
00:35:29 >> abominating all over the field.
00:35:31 >> Yes. Uh they were doing session
00:35:36 immoralities. So um anyways,
00:35:39 >> and I did just embed a word. No. Yeah,
00:35:42 that’s fine. Uh, but it shall not be
00:35:44 according to the first. For I will take
00:35:46 away the mazesc. Yes, I put that in
00:35:50 there. Priesthood, but uh it’s the only
00:35:53 thing makes sense because
00:35:56 uh they had the ironic priesthood. Okay,
00:35:59 so it must be the mazesc and Yahweh in
00:36:02 the DNC states there’s only two, Melzdc
00:36:06 and ironic out of their midst.
00:36:09 Therefore,
00:36:11 my holy order.
00:36:14 So, the Melkazedc priesthood is the holy
00:36:16 order. Okay? Which is after the um named
00:36:20 after
00:36:22 uh the great high priest Melzdc. So that
00:36:24 way we don’t repeat his name too much.
00:36:26 Okay?
00:36:26 >> And without the and without the
00:36:28 ordinances of this priesthood
00:36:31 >> which the ordinances of the mech priest
00:36:35 are baptism, fire and the Holy Spirit.
00:36:37 Okay. power of godliness is not manifest
00:36:40 unto man.
00:36:44 >> Okay. So, we go look at that verse and
00:36:46 that talks about ordinances were
00:36:48 ordinances.
00:36:50 That’s what I was going to which was
00:36:52 that’s what I was looking to which was I
00:36:55 which is why I was like okay if that’s
00:36:58 what you want to say but what I was
00:37:00 going to was the ordin without the
00:37:02 ordinances of the Melkisedc priesthood
00:37:05 the power of godliness is not manifest
00:37:07 and that is pointing to laws and um
00:37:12 that is pointing to laws and to the
00:37:15 Torah specifically
00:37:17 um
00:37:19 which is uh
00:37:22 which is given
00:37:26 uh
00:37:28 which is ultimately given and officiated
00:37:30 through the Melkisedc priesthood.
00:37:34 >> Okay. So there’s multiple definitions to
00:37:37 ordinance. So do we want to go look at
00:37:39 that verse that you were uh quoting or
00:37:41 should we go along with Exodus 34? Well,
00:37:44 let’s go with Exodus 34 and then we can
00:37:46 go to that verse. I was going
00:37:47 >> okay. Uh and and so ordinances is law,
00:37:51 but as you see the context here, the law
00:37:54 wasn’t taken away, Ben.
00:37:55 >> Yeah, the law was not taken away. And
00:37:58 so, and so
00:38:01 I’m and I’m just speaking of how we’ve
00:38:04 talked about it on previous recordings
00:38:06 where you said where I mentioned that
00:38:10 the ordinances were baptism of fire,
00:38:13 baptism of the Holy Ghost, and you said
00:38:15 that this was talking about laws.
00:38:18 >> Uh, so I think you’re getting a little
00:38:20 confused because it depends on the
00:38:21 context.
00:38:23 >> Yeah. I
00:38:24 >> ordinance has multiple meanings to it.
00:38:26 I’m aware that it has multiple meanings,
00:38:29 >> right? And and even during those
00:38:31 recordings I’ve talked about it, it
00:38:33 depends on contacts. Um and because this
00:38:35 one right here actually says that the
00:38:37 law is there.
00:38:39 >> Yeah, it does say that. I agree. I also
00:38:42 think
00:38:44 >> but the the one So, let’s talk about
00:38:45 that real quick. The one uh Joseph Smith
00:38:50 saw Yeshua.
00:38:53 >> I’m aware of that.
00:38:55 and he’s just
00:38:56 >> right and he didn’t have those uh
00:38:58 ceremonies,
00:39:00 >> right?
00:39:01 >> Because that power hadn’t been given to
00:39:03 him yet. So in in that case, it’s a it
00:39:07 the other meeting of the word,
00:39:10 >> right? In this instance, it’s talking
00:39:13 about literally the ordinances of
00:39:16 baptism, fire of the Holy Ghost.
00:39:20 >> Yes. Which is what I have
00:39:21 >> on a general basis.
00:39:24 Uh I I don’t know if we can just do
00:39:26 general because this is where we need
00:39:28 context because the one in the DNC is
00:39:30 about the laws. Uh
00:39:33 >> talking about from the people in this
00:39:36 instance on a general basis.
00:39:39 >> Oh,
00:39:42 the people in general did not receive
00:39:44 those ordinances.
00:39:46 >> Yes. Yes. Now maybe I misunderstood what
00:39:48 you were saying earlier, but earlier
00:39:50 >> I think you did. You were I believe you
00:39:53 were saying law though.
00:39:54 >> Well, they that’s
00:39:57 >> just now in this recording you were you
00:39:59 said.
00:40:00 >> Yes, I was saying that now. Okay.
00:40:07 I was saying that
00:40:09 because
00:40:12 um anyway, never mind. Never mind why I
00:40:14 was saying it.
00:40:16 >> Okay. Well, I I just want to make sure
00:40:18 >> it was a mistake. We’re moving on now.
00:40:20 Okay, that’s fine. I just want to make
00:40:21 sure it’s clear. The context here shows
00:40:23 that they have the law this time and
00:40:25 they
00:40:25 >> Yeah, the context clearly shows that
00:40:27 they have the law.
00:40:28 >> Right. Right. And it’s the ceremonies
00:40:30 that they don’t have here. Okay.
00:40:32 >> Right.
00:40:33 >> Okay. Just as long as that
00:40:35 >> here. Um and we don’t have to worry
00:40:37 about the other one because it’s a
00:40:38 different it’s a sidetrack.
00:40:40 >> Yeah.
00:40:40 >> Uh and the ordinances or um ceremonies
00:40:44 in this case, baptism of fire and the
00:40:47 Holy Spirit.
00:40:49 Um, so these are done by uh by the voice
00:40:54 of someone who has the Melchazdc
00:40:56 priesthood that they’re told through
00:40:58 Yahweh to do it because re this Holy
00:41:02 Spirit is sanctification and receiving
00:41:04 eternal life or being sealed.
00:41:06 >> Yes,
00:41:07 >> that can be done through Yahweh’s own
00:41:09 voice.
00:41:11 Uh, and there’s a section
00:41:15 that I don’t remember the number, but I
00:41:17 can look it up.
00:41:21 That is an example of that. Um, yeah, I
00:41:25 don’t have everything memorized.
00:41:31 Oh, it’s actually 84.
00:41:35 >> Okay. Um, so anyways, uh, which was the
00:41:39 one that we were in just a little bit
00:41:41 ago. Um,
00:41:43 okay. It shall not go before them. For Y
00:41:48 my Yahweh’s presence shall not go up in
00:41:50 their midst. And this goes along with to
00:41:54 see Yahweh, you have to be sanctified.
00:41:57 Okay?
00:42:00 >> Lest I destroy them.
00:42:03 But I will give unto them Torah as at
00:42:07 the first.
00:42:10 >> Okay. If we go look at uh well, we can’t
00:42:12 look at the Hebrew under this, but in
00:42:14 general, the translation of law that’s
00:42:17 in the Old Testament goes to the literal
00:42:19 word Torah.
00:42:21 >> Yeah.
00:42:22 The the literal words that are in the
00:42:25 manuscript is generally hat or the
00:42:28 Torah.
00:42:33 Yes. But here because it’s the new
00:42:36 translation, we don’t have the Hebrew is
00:42:38 what I was saying.
00:42:38 >> Oh, you absolutely do not. Yeah.
00:42:40 >> Yeah. But it shall be after
00:42:44 um
00:42:46 behind in line. And this gets in some of
00:42:48 the difference between law of Moses and
00:42:50 Torah here, which we’re not going to get
00:42:52 into. I you can look at this page for
00:42:54 that. But it shall be after or in behind
00:42:57 in line the law of the carnal which is a
00:43:01 daily performances and ordinances
00:43:04 commandment or punishment. And we’ve
00:43:06 gone over that before. Uh but this is
00:43:10 showing how the law of carnal
00:43:11 commandments is addition to Torah. Okay?
00:43:16 >> A as at the first. Okay.
00:43:21 For I Yahweh have sworn in my wrath that
00:43:25 they shall not enter my presence into my
00:43:29 rest.
00:43:31 >> Those are um two different ways of
00:43:33 saying uh sanctification there. Okay,
00:43:36 which goes along with the baptism of the
00:43:38 Holy Spirit in the days of their
00:43:40 pilgrimage. Therefore, do as I Yahweh
00:43:44 have commanded thee. And this thee is
00:43:46 Moses, okay?
00:43:48 uh and be ready in the morning and come
00:43:51 up in the morning onto the mount si. So
00:43:54 this is talking about the second time
00:43:56 that uh Moses went up and present
00:43:58 thyself unto me Yahweh in the top of the
00:44:02 mountain.
00:44:03 >> Yeah. I I f I I remembered where my
00:44:06 confusion was setting in.
00:44:08 >> Okay. And that was um there’s a portion
00:44:13 of section 84 that’s giving general
00:44:15 information and there’s a portion of 84
00:44:18 that’s linked specifically to this
00:44:20 event. What I read from section 84 is
00:44:24 what was linked to this current event.
00:44:26 But the what I was citing
00:44:29 um was actually from the general
00:44:31 instruction.
00:44:33 >> Oh, okay. uh and and I actually don’t
00:44:36 remember where that one other verse is
00:44:37 that we were uh contemplating.
00:44:39 >> So that was so that was the nature of
00:44:42 the confusion. Sorry folks. Sorry.
00:44:44 >> By the way, well I I’m glad it’s clear
00:44:46 now and that’s the important.
00:44:48 >> Okay. Um so I I’m guessing you want me
00:44:51 to go back to the LDS app now, right?
00:44:54 >> Yes, that would be good. Um
00:44:59 and so we’ll go we’ll go. So this is
00:45:01 what so this is what he we swore in his
00:45:05 wrath uh we that he that they would not
00:45:09 enter into his rest while in the
00:45:11 wilderness that is this life which rest
00:45:14 is the fullness of his glory uh which is
00:45:17 stated again in
00:45:19 the in the new translation
00:45:23 u exodus
00:45:26 34:2 which is why they were Um, which is
00:45:31 why they were
00:45:33 which is why they were given the uh this
00:45:36 is why they were given the law of Moses
00:45:38 instead of Torah in in the place of
00:45:40 Torah at the first as at the first.
00:45:44 >> I I agree. I would wonder if uh better
00:45:48 way of saying is in addition, but
00:45:50 >> well,
00:45:51 >> but I I will admit I probably have added
00:45:55 to some of that confusion when I was
00:45:57 trying to figure some things out and
00:45:58 maybe didn’t.
00:46:00 >> Yeah, you’re right. It’s in addition,
00:46:02 but so that um anyway,
00:46:05 >> and I did take some responsibility
00:46:07 because I haven’t always said it the
00:46:08 best. So,
00:46:10 >> so, so it’s in in addition to the in
00:46:13 addition to Torah the as at the first
00:46:16 >> and that to and Torah is at the first
00:46:18 and Torah was made new is at the first
00:46:21 when Yeshua sir
00:46:23 >> um
00:46:24 >> was crucified and resurrected.
00:46:26 >> Yeah. And and this gets into something I
00:46:29 that he may be referring to 13512, but I
00:46:33 we
00:46:34 uh I can put some links to that because
00:46:37 that’s a side subject. So
00:46:39 >> yes.
00:46:41 So okay. So let’s go back to uh section
00:46:45 63.
00:46:47 >> Okay, I’m there.
00:46:49 >> Okay. And okay,
00:46:54 I have sworn in my wrath and decreed
00:46:56 wars upon the face of the earth. This
00:46:58 actually ties back
00:47:00 to our coverage last week of section 87.
00:47:08 >> Uh I do think it’s related, but I do
00:47:10 think there’s wars even before that.
00:47:12 That’s included. Well, of course, there
00:47:13 there have been wars.
00:47:16 >> There have been wars ever the the
00:47:18 world’s been full of war ever since uh
00:47:22 uh well, for a very long time. Yeah. And
00:47:26 I would even say the war with how
00:47:29 Babylon wared with Jerusalem at 600 BC,
00:47:32 give or take, would be
00:47:35 >> with that because they’re actually told
00:47:37 it was a punishment, right?
00:47:39 >> Yeah.
00:47:41 So, and the the wicked shall slay the
00:47:43 wicked and fear shall come upon every
00:47:46 man.
00:47:48 So, I do think I do think that there’s
00:47:51 references back to the children of
00:47:53 Israel here. There’s references back to
00:47:55 the uh Babylonian captivity. There’s
00:47:57 also references forward to the second
00:48:00 coming.
00:48:01 >> Yes. Um,
00:48:03 even with this and I I think even
00:48:06 pointing to the second coming stuff,
00:48:07 there’s a 32 which could be with Joseph
00:48:10 Smith and then there’s more that will be
00:48:14 restored
00:48:16 after some additional wars with second
00:48:19 coming events.
00:48:20 >> That’s after se after after several wars
00:48:23 that lead to the death and misery of
00:48:24 many souls.
00:48:26 >> Yes. Yeah. Um, and the saints shall also
00:48:31 hardly escape. So, let’s look up the
00:48:33 word hardly.
00:48:34 >> Okay?
00:48:36 >> Because there’s so there’s a lot a lot
00:48:39 of difference of opinion regarding what
00:48:42 hardly means.
00:48:45 There, as we even heard earlier in the
00:48:48 recording, there are some who believe
00:48:50 that hardly means not at all.
00:48:54 But I do believe that the in that that
00:48:57 is not the ca I do believe we’ll find
00:49:01 that that’s not the case as we go uh
00:49:04 into
00:49:05 um yeah
00:49:07 >> it’s barely
00:49:08 >> definition
00:49:10 >> okay so hardly definition number one
00:49:14 scarcely barely
00:49:17 almost not
00:49:21 >> so they will escape by the skin of their
00:49:24 teeth.
00:49:26 >> Yeah. As to use another idiom, right?
00:49:30 >> Yeah.
00:49:32 So, or Yeah. So, and I think that that
00:49:35 is probably the very the top definition
00:49:37 is really the very best one
00:49:41 >> the barely or by the skin of your teeth.
00:49:44 >> By the skin of your teeth.
00:49:47 >> So, they the saints will escape it by
00:49:49 the skin of their teeth as they flee as
00:49:51 they uh as they go to Zion.
00:49:54 Now, I I I do believe this could be
00:49:58 paralleled in
00:50:01 uh Moses’s Exodus and that during the
00:50:05 first three
00:50:08 um
00:50:10 my mind just went blank.
00:50:15 >> The first three rafts, I’m just say RAS
00:50:19 right now. um that the Israelites uh
00:50:24 felt
00:50:26 the first three out of the 10, right?
00:50:29 >> Yes.
00:50:30 Um and I I do believe to some degree to
00:50:34 how much I don’t know and they’ll
00:50:36 probably vary from person to person that
00:50:39 the debelievers will uh also go through
00:50:43 the first three seals also in the second
00:50:47 exodus or the second coming events.
00:50:50 >> Yes. Uh so they will hardly escape.
00:50:56 Nevertheless, I he am with them
00:51:01 and will come down in heaven from the
00:51:03 presence of my father
00:51:06 and consume the wicked with unquenchable
00:51:08 fire. Now, this is definite sec last
00:51:11 days stuff. Yeah, this last uh portion
00:51:15 is definitely uh wrath part and
00:51:18 specifically
00:51:20 uh near the end of the wrath, but or it
00:51:23 could just be the wrath cuz anyways,
00:51:27 and behold, this is not yet,
00:51:31 but by and by.
00:51:34 This revelation was received in 1831.
00:51:37 >> So, I I I do want to bring out how by
00:51:39 and by means soon.
00:51:42 Uh, I’ll be honest. I don’t know a good
00:51:44 resource off top of my head to show
00:51:46 that, but I can see if we could find
00:51:48 one. But by and by means soon.
00:51:51 >> So, yeah. So, this this revelation was
00:51:54 given in 1831.
00:51:56 We’re now almost 200 years from the time
00:51:58 it was given
00:52:01 within even the young earth history.
00:52:04 That’s still soon
00:52:07 within the
00:52:08 >> Yeah. And so this is the biblical soon.
00:52:12 >> Yes, that’s my point.
00:52:15 >> Yeah. Yeah. Which maybe the biblical
00:52:17 soon is not the best translation itself,
00:52:20 but anyways.
00:52:22 >> Yeah. So, but at this point, I would say
00:52:26 that it truly is by and by
00:52:30 and
00:52:30 >> as in it’s literally uh almost here. And
00:52:33 therefore, if we wish to not have his
00:52:35 spirit withheld from us,
00:52:39 that it would behoove us
00:52:43 to cease rejecting his Torah
00:52:50 >> and to walk in his ways and to recognize
00:52:53 his wisdom and our foolishness.
00:52:58 >> Yes.
00:53:02 that his spirit, that his Torah may be
00:53:06 given to us in fullness.
00:53:12 And guess what? That fullness is not
00:53:16 uh augmented
00:53:18 by the wisdom of rabbis
00:53:22 or shamans
00:53:24 or witch doctors. It comes directly from
00:53:27 Yah. The fullness of his Torah is his
00:53:30 Torah is his mind and will. It’s not
00:53:34 some dude over there doing doing peyote.
00:53:39 It’s his mind and will
00:53:43 >> and and it does not contradict person by
00:53:45 person. It is consistent.
00:53:47 >> That’s right. It it does not allow for
00:53:52 everybody to find their own way to
00:53:54 heaven.
00:53:56 Wait, it’s not wide or broad.
00:53:59 >> Not a wide way. It is a straight way. It
00:54:02 is narrow way.
00:54:05 >> And you know, it’s not so important that
00:54:08 we get in line with the Hebrews as it is
00:54:13 that we get in line with Torah and with
00:54:16 the mind and will of Yahwa.
00:54:20 So let us let us do that for ourselves.
00:54:25 Let us let us practice in his ways. Walk
00:54:30 in his ways that we may receive of his
00:54:32 wisdom.
00:54:35 Part of walking in his ways means
00:54:38 finding a good teacher.
00:54:42 Part of walking in his ways means
00:54:43 finding a good teacher
00:54:45 >> to help you do it yourself. To help you
00:54:48 understand
00:54:48 >> who will help you do it yourself. Who’s
00:54:51 not going to do it for you. He’s going
00:54:53 to give you good information that’ll
00:54:55 help you to do it yourself.
00:54:57 >> Yes.
00:54:58 >> Because here’s the here’s the simple
00:55:00 fact. Nobody can walk in the mind and
00:55:03 will of Yuk.
00:55:06 >> Yeah. Nobody. Uh not your parents, not
00:55:09 your ancestors, not your children.
00:55:12 >> You can’t get your spouse.
00:55:14 >> You won’t get into heaven because you
00:55:16 were Abraham’s seed.
00:55:18 >> Yeah. You won’t get into he won’t get
00:55:21 into heaven because you were Jacob’s
00:55:22 seat.
00:55:27 You get into heaven because you live
00:55:31 after the manner of heaven
00:55:35 and you acknowledge
00:55:38 >> the Lord of heaven who is Yeshua
00:55:41 Hamashiach.
00:55:44 So I’m going to be a little technical to
00:55:47 me. There are uh multiple degrees in
00:55:50 heaven and even sermon on Torah and what
00:55:53 more people call sermon on the mount
00:55:55 shows that um
00:55:57 >> given
00:55:58 >> but if you want to live with Yahweh in
00:56:01 his glory you do need to keep
00:56:03 >> and I can’t think of a really good
00:56:06 reason to just settle for being a
00:56:10 to to settle for being a heavenly surf.
00:56:15 So, uh, that right there is a I’m sorry,
00:56:20 Brenda, that is a brigamite, uh, false
00:56:22 tradition.
00:56:23 >> Well, the the thing is is that they have
00:56:25 no inheritance. They own nothing. It’s
00:56:31 >> so, but DNC 76 brings out that uh, those
00:56:36 who receive to least testral glory
00:56:39 aren’t serving anybody.
00:56:41 >> That’s true.
00:56:43 >> In fact, actually, those
00:56:45 Okay. So,
00:56:48 okay. But yeah, you’re right. You’re
00:56:49 right. That surfs is surfs was a bad
00:56:52 word. Uh
00:56:54 I’m not going to argue about that.
00:56:56 >> Okay. All right. Anyways,
00:56:57 >> surfs is a bad word, but I can’t see any
00:57:01 reason why you would want to settle for
00:57:02 anything other than being great in the
00:57:06 kingdom of heaven.
00:57:07 >> Yeah, I I would agree with that. So
00:57:12 um so let’s not settle. Let’s do things
00:57:16 the excellent way, the more excellent
00:57:19 way as Paul calls it.
00:57:25 >> Yes. And I despite what society may
00:57:29 teach in mainstream Christian
00:57:32 and and Jewishism,
00:57:35 uh Paul was an actual apostle of Yahweh.
00:57:38 as Yahweh states in the DNC. I have to
00:57:41 look at my Paul page to know what
00:57:44 section says that because I can’t
00:57:46 remember. But
00:57:47 >> and at some point this weekend, we need
00:57:49 to go back into and so that I can
00:57:52 publish that uh publish that um my blog
00:57:56 post on how Paul is an apostle.
00:57:58 >> Sure. I’m happy to help with that. Um,
00:58:01 so, um, but the, uh, but I do think that
00:58:06 the, um,
00:58:08 I do think that, uh, I do think that we
00:58:10 do need to, uh, bear in mind
00:58:17 that there is
00:58:20 there’s a false argument
00:58:22 within the religious sphere. This idea
00:58:26 of faith versus works.
00:58:32 We show our faith by our works.
00:58:36 We show our faith by living in the more
00:58:38 excellent way.
00:58:41 So we go with this. Um I I if
00:58:47 most
00:58:49 people don’t know how to define faith.
00:58:52 Okay. And faith is simply trust in
00:58:56 Yahweh’s word and diligence in keeping
00:58:58 it.
00:59:00 >> And if you
00:59:00 >> keeping it hold on uh keeping it implies
00:59:04 work.
00:59:07 So they’re really you can’t have faith
00:59:10 without works. That’s what James is
00:59:12 bringing out.
00:59:14 >> Yes.
00:59:15 >> Um it it and he’s just using an idiom.
00:59:20 Something that’s dead
00:59:23 is a dead person is not a person
00:59:25 anymore.
00:59:27 >> Yeah.
00:59:29 >> A dead animal is not an animal anymore.
00:59:32 It’s just a carcass. a person uh needs
00:59:36 the physical body and the spirit or soul
00:59:40 inside of it.
00:59:41 >> Yeah.
00:59:42 >> But once it’s dead, it’s it’s not the
00:59:45 same anymore. And
00:59:48 and this also goes along with how when
00:59:51 in Hebrew thought, when you sin, you’re
00:59:54 dead. If you’re not keeping his ways,
00:59:57 you’re sinning and thus you’re dead. So
00:59:59 there’s a lot of implications that go
01:00:02 with what is that? James
01:00:06 >> something. Anyways,
01:00:09 I’m not
01:00:09 >> James 2. James 2.
01:00:11 >> Okay. Um, but people don’t want to. They
01:00:16 see it through their Greek eyes instead
01:00:18 of their Hebrew eyes. Um,
01:00:20 >> everybody everybody wants to believe
01:00:22 that faith is just a mental affirmation
01:00:25 or a felt thing. Yeah, it it’s not. It’s
01:00:29 trust and diligence. And I have a
01:00:31 recording I’ll put a link to. Shama is
01:00:34 faith and shama is listen and obey.
01:00:38 >> I have had many wonderful experiences,
01:00:42 wonderful felt experiences as I was
01:00:46 obedient walking in the ways of Yu.
01:00:50 >> Yes.
01:00:50 >> But that is not my faith.
01:00:53 No,
01:00:54 >> my faith was shown as I was obedient to
01:00:58 Yah, acknowledging my need for a savior
01:01:03 and
01:01:04 going forward
01:01:06 doing walking in the mind and will of Ya
01:01:10 and not in my own mind and will. Yes. So
01:01:15 that was my faith. And when you
01:01:18 understand the definition of faith being
01:01:20 trust in Yah to keep his promises along
01:01:22 with diligent obedience which is coupled
01:01:25 with diligent obedience
01:01:28 to those principles upon which the
01:01:31 promises are founded
01:01:35 then you realize
01:01:39 there is no faith without works.
01:01:44 >> Yeah.
01:01:46 So because part of the definition of
01:01:50 faith is works with through the
01:01:53 diligence part. So
01:01:56 anyway,
01:01:56 >> so you know, and so this is I encourage
01:02:00 I encourage people to step away from the
01:02:04 falseeness
01:02:06 of from the falseness of the current
01:02:08 religious structure
01:02:11 to learn to go back to the Bible
01:02:16 to find a good teacher to teach you
01:02:20 to teach you some basics of how to look
01:02:22 at the Bible.
01:02:25 go back to the Book of Mor to accept the
01:02:28 Book of Mormon be because it backs up
01:02:32 the Bible in every way and clarifies
01:02:36 things that are not made clear in the
01:02:39 Bible.
01:02:40 Accept it. It is the word of Yahw. If
01:02:44 you do not accept If you do not accept
01:02:46 and live by every word of Yahw,
01:02:50 you are not living in Torah.
01:02:57 So my just so people are aware, my
01:03:00 definition of Torah is every word of
01:03:03 Yahw that we are to live by, which is
01:03:06 every word of Yahw except the prescribed
01:03:10 punishments as a punishment that was
01:03:12 given to somebody or a group that was
01:03:15 specified. So,
01:03:16 >> right. And so this is what I’m this is
01:03:20 what I encourage you to do.
01:03:24 Accept all of the word of God. Get into
01:03:27 it. Find yourself a good teacher. Start
01:03:30 walking in Yah’s ways.
01:03:34 Um
01:03:35 I do know that it’s hard to find a good
01:03:37 teacher.
01:03:38 There’s not many of them.
01:03:41 Um, even many that I thought were good
01:03:44 at one point have turned out well, not
01:03:47 so much. Uh,
01:03:51 >> well, you got to start somewhere.
01:03:53 >> That’s right. And so you
01:03:58 But start with a teacher who understands
01:04:03 at least that the first five books of
01:04:06 Moses are still valid.
01:04:08 >> Yes. At least start there. Yeah,
01:04:10 >> at least start there. You’ll be in a lot
01:04:14 better way
01:04:16 in the times that come that are shortly
01:04:19 to come to pass.
01:04:22 >> Yeah.
01:04:23 >> And I’m not talking biblically soon.
01:04:26 >> He’s talking about on the surface soon.
01:04:30 So,
01:04:31 >> let’s
01:04:34 let’s get in my let’s get in the way
01:04:36 let’s get in the way of Yo’s
01:04:39 protection
01:04:41 and
01:04:43 um providence.
01:04:47 Let’s not
01:04:49 go in our own way.
01:04:52 If we go in if you go in your own way,
01:04:55 you will find yourself
01:04:58 >> by yourself.
01:05:00 When the forces of evil come.
01:05:06 >> Yeah.
01:05:08 >> Amen.
01:05:09 >> Go with Yah.
01:05:11 Amen. I say these things in the name of
01:05:13 Yeshua Hamsia. Amen.