Scripture Study 2022-12-08

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Talk about baptism including how it is teaching the commandments. Every point of the doctrine of the Messiah relates to Torah. We should not be sinning dail, and thus needing to repent daily. Bring out some doctrine that is embedded in the High Holidays. Torah means instructions or hitting the mark and teaches us how to be like Yeshua. Hugh Nibley was an apologist of the occult. Yeshua will remind you of what you need in the moment. Moroni 8 tells us why Yeshua had to be baptized. We must study something out before we take it to YHWH in prayer. Be a Berean. The Mighty and Strong one will be teaching us from the Bible and BoM. Mormon 8 is about when the BoM came forth just as 2 Nephi 28. Scriptures regarding fools. Self-help is new age.

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00:00:00 okay
00:00:02 recording in progress anyways I’m a dork
00:00:05 sometimes anyways so just real quick
00:00:08 before Ben starts going to his thing
00:00:10 this thing right there is a recording of
00:00:14 me going
00:00:16 over notes I have for posts I plan to
00:00:19 use these verses on and how after
00:00:21 yeshua’s
00:00:23 um visitation after his resurrection at
00:00:25 35 11 I show tons of scriptures that
00:00:29 show the law Torah is still valid mm-hmm
00:00:33 after the resurrection and this
00:00:35 absolutely this is one of those for this
00:00:37 is actually one of those verses which
00:00:39 shows that the uh the Torah is still
00:00:41 valid after Christ
00:00:44 technically okay so behold my son this
00:00:47 thing ought not to be for repentance is
00:00:49 unto them that are under the
00:00:50 condemnation and under the curse of a
00:00:51 broken law
00:00:53 we all have to repent because we’ve
00:00:54 broken the law and the first first
00:00:56 fruits of repentance is baptism and
00:00:59 baptism cometh by faith unto fulfilling
00:01:01 the Commandments
00:01:04 oh faith is in fulfilling the
00:01:07 Commandments
00:01:09 so well okay so fulfilling I is an
00:01:12 interesting word and we can get into
00:01:14 this more uh if Kesley wants to but I
00:01:18 believe in this case here and we can get
00:01:22 into reasons why if you guys want but I
00:01:24 believe the definition of fulfilling
00:01:26 that should be used here is teaching
00:01:29 exactly faith is in teaching the
00:01:31 Commandments and the teachings in
00:01:34 baptism cometh by faith unto the
00:01:36 teaching of The Commandments and there’s
00:01:38 lots of things we can use to show that
00:01:42 um but
00:01:43 anyways that’s the word in fact even the
00:01:46 words itself even as we have them in um
00:01:49 the Doctrine and Covenants in the Book
00:01:51 of Mormon point that out towards the
00:01:54 ordinance
00:01:55 yeah the and I there’s one day I want to
00:01:58 do a post on what I see in baptism
00:02:01 um it’s it’s full of deep meaning when
00:02:04 you actually start looking at all the
00:02:06 aspects and here and here’s and here’s
00:02:08 the kicker the fulfilling of The
00:02:10 Commandments or the teaching of The
00:02:11 Commandments bringeth the teaching or a
00:02:14 living of The Commandments bringeth the
00:02:15 remission of sins
00:02:16 well so I I would act there are new
00:02:21 testament versus states that teaching
00:02:23 the Commandments bring his permissions
00:02:25 of sins yeah yeah so but walk basically
00:02:30 walking in the Commandments teaching the
00:02:32 Commandments brings the remission of
00:02:33 sins but along with that uh the best
00:02:36 teacher is doing right yeah so the the
00:02:40 other and the other thing that I like in
00:02:42 this
00:02:45 is that
00:02:47 practically they’re they’re
00:02:50 when Jesus healed people
00:02:52 he also forgave their sins
00:02:55 yeah
00:02:56 it’s and so this actually ties back into
00:03:00 our health
00:03:02 the remission of sins ties back into our
00:03:04 physical health
00:03:06 and so we can have and so
00:03:10 by repentance we by repentance and
00:03:14 turning to the law and being obedient to
00:03:16 the law and teaching the law
00:03:18 you can receive the remission of our
00:03:21 sins
00:03:21 we are we are able to enter into baptism
00:03:24 because we are because we are living the
00:03:27 Covenant
00:03:29 we’ve entered into Covenant with him
00:03:31 because baptism is a witness that we
00:03:33 have entered into a covenant with God to
00:03:35 keep his Commandments
00:03:37 um baptism is not a covenant baptism
00:03:40 it’s a witness
00:03:42 you said it right Ben
00:03:45 I’m re-emphasis
00:03:47 emphasizing the point so Kesley can get
00:03:50 it and I can show this from scriptures
00:03:52 from The Book of Mormon um yeah
00:03:55 it’s different than what is taught in
00:03:57 the LDS church yeah
00:04:00 so anyways yeah so baptism is a yeah I
00:04:03 was like oh did I say that bro no no you
00:04:06 said it right I was emphasizing okay yes
00:04:09 baptism is a witness that we have
00:04:11 entered into Covenant people keep all of
00:04:13 his Commandments
00:04:16 and so
00:04:18 what that entails for all of us is
00:04:20 repentance
00:04:22 because because most of us are not
00:04:24 keeping his Commandments
00:04:26 I I I I’m gonna harp on this a little
00:04:29 bit to go that goes along with what Ben
00:04:31 is saying so you know there’s a couple
00:04:34 groups out there that are like
00:04:36 they harp on uh doctrine of Christ a lot
00:04:39 right
00:04:42 um so
00:04:43 I’ll be honest I don’t think they
00:04:45 understand it
00:04:46 fact
00:04:47 uh if you get a chance read my all
00:04:49 things you can do Post okay but let’s
00:04:53 let’s just I’m gonna take a snippet from
00:04:55 that that is kind of a highlight that I
00:04:57 copy paste
00:04:59 I anyways I see as I see it every part
00:05:04 of the doctrine of the Messiah is
00:05:06 connected to his Torah
00:05:09 a and so I even put this into chiasm I
00:05:11 love chiasms the more you read my
00:05:13 especially my my newer ones you’ll see
00:05:15 more and more chiasms but anyways a
00:05:17 repenting which is returning to the law
00:05:20 which actually goes with uh the other a
00:05:23 which is the holy spirit is
00:05:25 sanctification by the law and we have it
00:05:29 written on our hearts that you seek to
00:05:31 sin no more and and have the express
00:05:33 image of Yeshua in your countenance okay
00:05:37 so B which is the second one
00:05:41 baptism water is a witness of Covenant
00:05:44 already made to keep all of his Torah so
00:05:48 if you’re coveting if you’ve already
00:05:51 made a covenant to keep all his laws do
00:05:54 you need additional covenants say in a
00:05:57 brighamite temple
00:05:59 no no way yeah because you already
00:06:03 covenanted to keep all his Commandments
00:06:05 right we can do that multiple times and
00:06:08 I have
00:06:09 and the sacrament actually is doing that
00:06:12 too
00:06:13 um so I’ve done multiple baptisms and I
00:06:15 plan to do it again uh and the Book of
00:06:17 Mormon teaches that and I can show that
00:06:19 too if we want to Sidetrack on that but
00:06:21 rebaptism is a thing yeah it is it’s in
00:06:23 the Book of Mormon Joseph Smith did it
00:06:25 in fact on this point of Health that
00:06:27 we’re talking about not to get too
00:06:28 sidetracked on that Joseph Smith
00:06:31 re-baptized Emma and others for health
00:06:33 reasons
00:06:36 and he stated in his journal he believed
00:06:39 it helped
00:06:40 um
00:06:41 he uh is it Naaman in the Old Testament
00:06:44 Ben I I kind of that yeah he got
00:06:48 baptized he baptized seven times
00:06:52 and then he was healed right anyways so
00:06:54 I I believe that’s where Joseph Smith
00:06:56 got it from but that’s speculation where
00:06:58 he actually got it from right but
00:07:00 anyways
00:07:01 um
00:07:03 speculation that he did it oh no it’s
00:07:06 not speculation he did he did it it’s
00:07:08 just uh most restoration people wanna
00:07:12 play that though because they don’t know
00:07:14 how to fit it in
00:07:16 that makes sense
00:07:22 that teaches
00:07:25 um re-baptism
00:07:28 like continual in fact
00:07:32 is just before tap either
00:07:35 just before Tabernacles or at
00:07:37 Tabernacles because Tabernacles has to
00:07:39 go with entering the kingdom and baptism
00:07:42 is a requirement to get into the Kingdom
00:07:43 right yeah they don’t know the law and
00:07:46 they don’t know the festivals and uh
00:07:49 they don’t know the practices
00:07:50 surrounding the festivals otherwise they
00:07:53 would realize that re-baptism
00:07:56 is a thing that happened every year
00:08:01 regularly I mean you could do it more
00:08:03 often that but yeah the common time for
00:08:07 people to do it was Tavern just before
00:08:09 Tabernacles or Tabernacles yeah it would
00:08:12 happen at least once a year yeah
00:08:13 re-baptist
00:08:15 okay
00:08:16 it was not like a commandment in fact
00:08:21 um some priest during yeshua’s day would
00:08:23 go do it every single day I I
00:08:26 I think that’s Overkill but it’s
00:08:30 there okay as far as I’m concerned
00:08:33 that’s asking for an ear infection
00:08:36 but not only that but yeah because
00:08:39 they’re probably not listening well
00:08:41 those priests weren’t listening right
00:08:43 but anyways what what uh what did Joseph
00:08:47 Smith say about daily repentance again
00:08:49 oh um here let’s go look at I I that’s
00:08:52 like in um because that’s what that
00:08:55 falls under the heading of if you’re
00:08:56 doing it daily well so we baptism is not
00:09:01 only for that there’s more to it than
00:09:03 that and it’s actually ronai eight and
00:09:05 Ron I8 actually tells us the reason why
00:09:07 Yeshua was baptized if we actually look
00:09:09 at it but let’s bring up what Matt is
00:09:11 bringing because that is an important
00:09:14 thing
00:09:15 um
00:09:18 repentance is a thing that cannot be
00:09:20 trifled with every day daily
00:09:23 transgression and daily repentance is
00:09:25 not which is pleasing in the sight of
00:09:27 Elohim
00:09:30 um because sinning
00:09:34 Yahweh hates sinning and that’s why day
00:09:37 the repentance is frowned upon by Elohim
00:09:40 because that means your daily
00:09:42 sinning your daily turning back to your
00:09:45 own vomit yeah and you you yeah it
00:09:49 shouldn’t be happening right
00:09:52 um so
00:09:54 I’m gonna I’m gonna have to surprise but
00:09:56 that’s
00:09:57 it’s not too hard to do I I had to take
00:10:01 a little out a little like one minute
00:10:03 section from last week’s just
00:10:07 I felt like Anyway this is my foul
00:10:09 language was it uh no I left that in no
00:10:12 because
00:10:13 it was just something that was a little
00:10:16 more uh personal from two people
00:10:21 um okay now I gotta find my button share
00:10:23 gotta find my buttons don’t press my
00:10:25 buttons I don’t like when people do that
00:10:26 but anyway
00:10:28 okay so back to the second beat even I’m
00:10:32 pushing your button with these tap
00:10:35 dancing
00:10:36 um it gets harder to push my buttons
00:10:39 than it used to be so that’s a good
00:10:42 thing I would say it’s because I’m I’m
00:10:43 maturing but anyways
00:10:45 um baptism of fire is a witness that you
00:10:48 have been judged and found with a broken
00:10:51 heart and a contrite spirit and you have
00:10:53 then cleansed of your past sins and have
00:10:57 been justified by the law because
00:10:59 yeshua’s merits so
00:11:02 um you look at this
00:11:04 so
00:11:05 a and a are something that you do as in
00:11:09 you wanting to return to the law
00:11:11 when you first start down this process
00:11:13 you may do it a little bit okay but
00:11:17 it it takes time because when you first
00:11:20 get into this
00:11:22 it’s great it’s easy but then life goes
00:11:25 on your old habits start kind of cart
00:11:29 Crossing up on you and they will sneak
00:11:31 up on you and you’ll do it again or or
00:11:34 you may actually want depending what it
00:11:36 is you may want it again
00:11:38 um and you resist it and then it goes
00:11:40 away but anyways it takes time
00:11:43 um but a a go together
00:11:46 yep and B and B go together because
00:11:48 they’re both Witnesses one’s your
00:11:50 witness and one is yeshua’s Witness
00:11:53 okay because one’s a witness of your
00:11:56 Covenant right
00:11:58 yeah
00:11:59 and the other one Yeshua is a witness
00:12:02 that he accepts your Covenant
00:12:05 yeah
00:12:06 yeah just like
00:12:09 repenting and returning to the law is
00:12:11 what we do
00:12:13 the baptism of the holy spirit is what
00:12:16 he does
00:12:19 all right the baptism of the spirit
00:12:21 um right the fire the bat well they’re
00:12:24 both of the spirit right because
00:12:27 they’re they’re both having parcel
00:12:29 because you’re Justified the law and
00:12:31 you’re Sanctified but the law comes from
00:12:34 him anyway so it’s right right so but
00:12:36 I’m just saying laws in both of them
00:12:39 right right
00:12:41 um and so baptism fire is a baptism of
00:12:45 justification baptism of the holy spirit
00:12:47 is the baptism of sanctification and I
00:12:49 get into the post from scriptures
00:12:51 showing showing that if you want
00:12:55 um okay
00:12:56 and
00:12:58 justification
00:12:59 the just what happens with a lot of
00:13:02 people is they receive a baptism of fire
00:13:05 and then they forget what caused it well
00:13:10 I I think it’s maybe not that they
00:13:13 forgot
00:13:15 they didn’t understand it and then then
00:13:19 they didn’t know what they needed to do
00:13:21 next and then they instead of becoming a
00:13:24 new creature they came an old creature
00:13:26 with new excuses
00:13:28 um
00:13:29 and and so they get caught up in
00:13:33 bad things because
00:13:37 most of the world
00:13:41 is that either it’s by the law or by the
00:13:43 Messiah that you’re saved but the
00:13:46 scriptures actually show us both
00:13:48 Book of Mormon new testament old
00:13:50 testament shows it’s both
00:13:53 you need both
00:13:55 if that someone on Facebook who is a
00:13:58 Torah teacher I’m not going to call it
00:14:00 his name because
00:14:01 um but he’s like
00:14:04 and a lot of people Christians do this
00:14:06 too
00:14:08 and I there’s a
00:14:10 degree this is correct so I’m going to
00:14:13 put it out here and see what you guys
00:14:14 say and then I’ll tell you what I think
00:14:15 about it okay so this Torah teacher is
00:14:18 putting out there that behavior is more
00:14:22 important is the most important thing
00:14:26 um
00:14:31 okay so my thought my thought is that um
00:14:37 yeah my thought is the my thought is
00:14:40 that becoming is the most important
00:14:43 you must become
00:14:46 you must become like our father in
00:14:48 Heaven otherwise we’re just we must
00:14:51 become of one heart one mind with our
00:14:53 Father in heaven we have to unite
00:14:55 ourselves to the will of Yahweh as
00:14:59 manifested in the law
00:15:01 otherwise it’s just a bunch of behaviors
00:15:07 um there is
00:15:09 a um
00:15:12 in my as I see it there is a and there
00:15:16 is an element of
00:15:20 there is an element of becoming that
00:15:23 makes the behavior meaningful if you
00:15:26 understand what I’m trying it’s a
00:15:28 feedback loop there they help each other
00:15:31 um
00:15:33 so uh do you want to add something Matt
00:15:35 or Kesley
00:15:38 oh no open okay
00:15:43 you want to add something Matt
00:15:45 no I think you go ahead go ahead so
00:15:50 um
00:15:52 if there’s a super good atheist
00:15:55 is he going to heaven
00:15:57 no no no
00:15:59 the most
00:16:01 seriously and I see this in scriptures
00:16:03 the most important thing is that you
00:16:06 come under yeshua’s Authority and
00:16:08 covering period now
00:16:12 we can since we talked about the feast a
00:16:14 little bit earlier let’s see if that’s
00:16:15 in the feast
00:16:17 foreign
00:16:19 Passover
00:16:21 it was that you were
00:16:25 in the house
00:16:28 with the blood
00:16:30 is what saved you it’s not that you were
00:16:32 perfect at that point and so you were in
00:16:36 the house with the covering of blood
00:16:37 yeah which is symbolic of being under
00:16:41 yeshua’s Authority in his house you
00:16:44 being his children
00:16:46 that’s what saved them is being in his
00:16:49 house it was not that they were perfect
00:16:51 and had good behavior at that point no
00:16:54 that’s not what did it now
00:16:57 if we are truly
00:17:01 there is no way to become like of one
00:17:05 mind and one heart with our father with
00:17:07 with Yahweh with Yahweh
00:17:11 without coming under the authority of
00:17:12 Yeshua
00:17:14 exactly
00:17:15 um
00:17:16 but when if we are truly there so
00:17:24 Yahweh is the only one that can judge
00:17:28 the intentions of our hearts man cannot
00:17:30 do that so there are going to be a lot
00:17:33 of tears that are going to go
00:17:36 in or go be with the wheat and pretend
00:17:39 they’re part of yeshua’s
00:17:43 um Kingdom right and we don’t know we
00:17:47 we just don’t know
00:17:49 because we don’t know the hearts and
00:17:50 intents of the people
00:17:52 uh in fact we’re we’re not we’re never
00:17:55 told to judge that never
00:17:58 um because we don’t know only God does
00:18:02 um but so
00:18:05 if you’re really in
00:18:08 and have taken on his covering
00:18:11 you’ll do the steps that continue to
00:18:15 learn and grow to learn his ways so if
00:18:19 someone’s not doing that
00:18:21 you can have a pretty good educated
00:18:24 guess that they’re really not now
00:18:28 have they come to Torah yet
00:18:31 is another point because it may take
00:18:34 some time after that justification
00:18:36 coming to the house that they figure
00:18:38 that out it I mean I’m
00:18:41 I was 34. when I started figuring that
00:18:44 out
00:18:45 and I
00:18:48 I think I was in the house
00:18:50 uh I I was probably uh not a very good
00:18:55 uh
00:18:56 citizen of the house I guess you could
00:18:59 say
00:19:00 um left Messes in the corners all the
00:19:02 time yeah
00:19:04 um
00:19:05 I mean I I wasn’t
00:19:08 evil per se in the well I’m evil now
00:19:10 right there’s only one righteous and
00:19:12 that’s Elohim but
00:19:14 um but in retrospective of what the
00:19:16 world standards would be I was a pretty
00:19:18 good guy okay but
00:19:21 um I I still hadn’t really woken up to I
00:19:25 mean Torah I started waking up to that
00:19:27 and um 2014 when I was 34.
00:19:31 um
00:19:32 so that’s a long time that’s 34 years of
00:19:36 my life
00:19:37 anyways
00:19:38 um
00:19:40 but
00:19:41 I I do believe I was in his house but
00:19:44 I’m not too worried about that fact of
00:19:46 the past I am now
00:19:49 um
00:19:50 but it was
00:19:52 being in the house
00:19:55 of the one who set his blood for us
00:19:59 and saved them now as time goes on
00:20:03 if
00:20:05 you continue
00:20:09 to just waste away your probation and
00:20:12 not strive to be more like him he will
00:20:14 kick you out at some point I thought
00:20:19 um
00:20:20 Corona 8 has a lot to do with children
00:20:22 right and so in in today’s society and I
00:20:27 would even say in Yahweh Society
00:20:30 as we’re children of God and learning of
00:20:33 his ways
00:20:35 there comes to a point where if you keep
00:20:38 and I don’t know what the magic number
00:20:41 is because it’s probably different for
00:20:42 each person in their heart and all that
00:20:44 just jazzing we’re not supposed to judge
00:20:45 that we as people are only supposed to
00:20:47 judge according to their actions and
00:20:50 direct them to go according to God’s law
00:20:54 the Torah but there will become a point
00:20:58 where if you keep rejecting God’s
00:21:03 ways of doing things after you were
00:21:06 putting his kingdom AKA baptism of
00:21:10 justification or fire
00:21:12 that he will kick you out
00:21:14 just like in today’s society
00:21:18 um there’s a point like
00:21:22 pretty much most of the modern world you
00:21:24 can’t parents can’t kick their kids out
00:21:26 until they’re 18. there’s this point of
00:21:29 maturity that the the general just
00:21:32 accepts you can’t kick him out
00:21:34 and I think that’s kind of what’s going
00:21:36 on in Moroni 8 also right
00:21:39 until their age of accountability
00:21:42 they’re in the Kingdom
00:21:45 in fact they they don’t need it baptism
00:21:47 and repentance because they’re not under
00:21:50 the curse right to their age of
00:21:52 accountability and and generally
00:21:54 speaking that’s a there are some
00:21:57 exceptions to that depending on
00:21:59 any anybody who teaches that uh children
00:22:03 cannot be accountable at age eight
00:22:06 it’s because
00:22:08 they underestimate their children
00:22:11 oh I I don’t think they’re accountable
00:22:13 for everything but some things for sure
00:22:16 right yeah and it grows as they get
00:22:19 older
00:22:20 um up to an adult we’re then you’re
00:22:21 responsible for everything
00:22:23 right but I don’t think that’s
00:22:25 necessarily 18 but I think it’s probably
00:22:28 but there’s a place
00:22:30 and that could be different
00:22:32 accountability that eight-year-olds can
00:22:35 wield and if you do not teach your
00:22:38 children by age eight to be able to
00:22:40 enter into Covenant to keep God’s
00:22:42 Commandments
00:22:44 then the sin is on your head
00:22:47 yeah
00:22:49 um
00:22:50 anyways there’s it comes a point
00:22:53 that
00:22:55 um
00:22:56 you’ve had enough time you’re in his
00:22:58 house but if you keep not doing it he’s
00:23:01 gonna kick you out now where that is
00:23:04 that’s between the individual and Yahweh
00:23:08 and now on the church aspect of it right
00:23:13 um that’s where church leaders can come
00:23:15 in and you know do things
00:23:18 um now restoration churches including
00:23:22 the one I grew up in the brighamite one
00:23:23 LDS they do it incorrectly which I show
00:23:27 that my Bishops are judges of the
00:23:29 Israel’s post if you want to you can get
00:23:31 your husband to read it
00:23:33 um but yeah
00:23:37 anyways
00:23:39 um does that make sense
00:23:41 where I was going off of that yeah
00:23:44 um and so the last part of this little
00:23:47 summary that I have is sometimes the
00:23:50 doctrine of the Messiah includes
00:23:53 enduring to the end which is keeping the
00:23:55 Commandments which is keeping Torah to
00:23:59 the end of your life
00:24:01 when the world will judge you negatively
00:24:04 for doing so because they will
00:24:07 I I they do it to me they do it to Ben
00:24:11 even though some people say they don’t
00:24:12 but they do they just say that so that
00:24:15 they can say that they try to use it say
00:24:17 they don’t do it with bin so they have
00:24:19 an out because they try to make me look
00:24:21 bad but anyways
00:24:24 um but they do it to both and and Ben
00:24:26 will confirm that yep
00:24:29 um
00:24:30 other times it includes speaking with
00:24:33 the tongues of angels which is simply
00:24:35 preaching and teaching the law Torah and
00:24:38 calling people to repentance is telling
00:24:40 them to return to yala’s yahweh’s law
00:24:43 Torah so every aspect of the doctrine of
00:24:45 Christ is Torah
00:24:48 every single aspect in fact in fact when
00:24:53 the church when the church was restored
00:24:55 they were told to teach nothing but
00:24:58 repentance unto this generation that’s
00:25:01 basically telling them to teach nothing
00:25:02 but Torah
00:25:04 there is because but they didn’t
00:25:07 understand that
00:25:09 um
00:25:10 The Book of Mormon was translated by a
00:25:12 gentile
00:25:16 um
00:25:18 I’m grateful for everything Joseph Smith
00:25:19 did okay but
00:25:23 it’s it’s brought me to where I am now
00:25:26 the Book of Mormon Book of Mormon
00:25:28 brought me to Yeshua it also brought me
00:25:29 to Torah
00:25:31 um
00:25:32 which for a lot of people sounds funny
00:25:34 right but it’s true
00:25:37 um
00:25:39 I I want to get a picture
00:25:42 if I can find it real quick
00:25:46 um um maybe I can maybe I can’t because
00:25:49 I have a lot of Torah pictures
00:25:52 um maybe I think
00:25:54 maybe I can get it in my in the group
00:25:59 I shared it there recently so I can
00:26:01 probably get it there faster
00:26:03 um
00:26:10 just I thought I did
00:26:12 oh yeah that’s the one I’m looking for
00:26:18 I don’t really means yeah
00:26:21 yeah Torah means instructions directions
00:26:24 way Commandments which means hitting the
00:26:29 mark it means hitting the mark
00:26:32 and sin means missing the mark
00:26:36 and the Mark is
00:26:38 being like yahshua
00:26:42 uh in fact just to go along with that
00:26:48 uh
00:26:52 give it to me
00:26:56 all right no
00:27:00 yeah there we go
00:27:04 this is just a nice little meme that
00:27:07 points it out that the law
00:27:09 is telling us
00:27:12 yahweh’s character yeshua’s character
00:27:15 so if you want to be like Yeshua
00:27:19 you need to learn the law because the
00:27:21 the law teaches us how to be like him
00:27:23 it’s why it was given to us yeah so
00:27:29 um
00:27:31 I I Ben’s heard this a ton of times but
00:27:34 I I like this quote
00:27:37 I I really like that second question
00:27:39 what did Jesus do yeah here I’ll let you
00:27:42 read it essentially like that okay
00:27:44 a lot of press a lot of Christians will
00:27:46 say what would Jesus do I believe a
00:27:48 better saying is what did Jesus do if we
00:27:51 don’t know exactly if we don’t know what
00:27:53 Jesus actually did
00:27:55 and the reasons behind why he did them
00:27:57 we won’t have any clue what Jesus would
00:28:00 do in this or that situation nor do we
00:28:03 really know Jesus or understand him or
00:28:05 his ways for if we really know Jesus and
00:28:07 understand his ways we would conduct
00:28:09 ourselves like he did while he was
00:28:12 tabernacled here on Earth and do the
00:28:14 things he did and that I believe that
00:28:17 includes celebrating the Festival of
00:28:19 Lights as command in Leviticus
00:28:24 and the PO and the appointed times when
00:28:27 he has commanded in Leviticus 23. I
00:28:30 promise you will gain deeper insights
00:28:32 from the scriptures and thus the gospel
00:28:33 as you study about the peace God for all
00:28:35 mankind found in the levitics 23 and
00:28:37 celebrate them now my but my point the
00:28:40 part that I like is that top part
00:28:43 because
00:28:45 the important thing
00:28:48 the question that we ask asking
00:28:50 ourselves what would Jesus do is
00:28:52 absolutely ridiculous
00:28:54 because what he did is they’re already
00:28:56 recorded for us yeah in fact there there
00:29:00 is a a Babylon bee recently where it’s
00:29:04 you know just being silly that
00:29:08 um there’s an expert who knows exactly
00:29:11 what Yeshua would do in these days who
00:29:14 hasn’t read the Bible
00:29:16 laughs
00:29:18 well but I I mean
00:29:20 the one that I like is that Meme about
00:29:24 that says
00:29:26 a lot of Christians today would say that
00:29:28 Jesus is on Christ like
00:29:31 oh
00:29:33 um yeah because what most people think
00:29:36 is Christ today is actually the
00:29:39 Antichrist
00:29:41 seriously uh what most people believe as
00:29:44 Yeshua is the Antichrist I mean we can
00:29:47 go with a book of Revelations for this
00:29:48 one for simple one who’s the dragon
00:29:52 Satan going after in the last days last
00:29:54 days just before the second coming
00:29:59 it’s those who have the Testament of
00:30:01 Yeshua and keep the law yep now what do
00:30:05 most people
00:30:06 Yeshua does did away with the law right
00:30:11 even though Yeshua himself said I have
00:30:13 anyway yeah I mean they get that a lot
00:30:17 from twisting Paul and that’s a whole
00:30:19 other subject but just to keep it simple
00:30:21 what most people
00:30:22 think the Messiah is is the Antichrist
00:30:27 but and the whole thing the whole thing
00:30:29 is
00:30:30 that while the bikers day
00:30:34 while the people who keep the law will
00:30:37 be targeted by Satan
00:30:40 it is also by their patience in keeping
00:30:43 the law and maintaining their testimony
00:30:45 of Jesus
00:30:48 that they overcome him
00:30:51 yeah that’s that’s from Revelation it’s
00:30:55 really easy to dwell on the negative
00:30:57 aspect of things
00:30:59 but we don’t overcome the Devil by
00:31:01 fighting him we’ve overcome the Devil by
00:31:04 living the law
00:31:07 and maintaining the testimony of Jesus
00:31:11 right in fact I mean tons of places in
00:31:15 fact Sermon on the Mount even says this
00:31:17 where a lot of people misquote this one
00:31:18 beginning of seven first you learn the
00:31:21 law then you keep it and then you help
00:31:24 others and that uh since we talked about
00:31:27 the the feast a little bit I see that in
00:31:29 the pattern of the feasts too yeah it’s
00:31:33 all there’s so much there
00:31:37 but because people don’t think about
00:31:39 them
00:31:40 or or keep them or
00:31:42 think about them they don’t know what
00:31:44 they teach
00:31:48 um yeah and there’s so there’s so much
00:31:50 more to the feasts than having the right
00:31:54 kind of bread or the right kind of that
00:31:57 helps it can help as a learning modality
00:32:01 about the beasts well I mean unleavened
00:32:05 bread that one’s I just got one donut
00:32:07 but I’m talking about I’m talking about
00:32:10 the other Feasts
00:32:13 okay it’s not necessarily it’s about
00:32:16 learning and applying the lessons of the
00:32:18 feast themselves
00:32:20 as opposed to having all the right stuff
00:32:24 oh I don’t have my challah bread this
00:32:27 year for uh yeah I I don’t I don’t use
00:32:31 that bread
00:32:32 I I just make sure I have something
00:32:35 that’s unleavened or
00:32:38 um I I
00:32:40 in fact a lot of people think it’s so
00:32:42 hard to get rid of the leaven out of
00:32:45 your house in fact Orthodox so you have
00:32:47 to sweep your whole house no it’s just
00:32:49 your bread starters that you have to get
00:32:51 rid of because to get rid of all your
00:32:53 leaven in your house means you would
00:32:55 have to suck all the air out of your
00:32:58 house because there’s 11
00:33:00 literally in the air in fact when you
00:33:03 buy grapes there’s that white stuff on
00:33:05 the grapes that’s
00:33:07 that’s Leven landing on the grapes from
00:33:10 the air and that’s enough leaven to make
00:33:12 wine
00:33:14 you can’t get rid of all your leaven out
00:33:16 of your house unless you suck out all
00:33:19 the air
00:33:21 it’s impossible it’s talking about your
00:33:23 bread starter
00:33:25 but a lot of the Orthodox people
00:33:29 um AKA Pharisees
00:33:31 um
00:33:32 they just love making things hard like I
00:33:35 don’t know why well the thing is is that
00:33:37 the law is not meant to be onerous the
00:33:39 law is not meant to be onerous to us in
00:33:41 order to keep it no it’s what happens is
00:33:45 people think a lot of the men’s Felts
00:33:47 Traditions are the life Christ say about
00:33:50 it take my burden upon you it’s light
00:33:53 yeah
00:33:55 [Laughter]
00:33:58 yeah it it is it is like in fact like
00:34:05 one a lot of people think uh Yeshua
00:34:08 allowed the 12 disciples to break the
00:34:11 Sabbath when they
00:34:13 um were eating the wheat on this sabbath
00:34:15 no
00:34:17 that’s not against the law it’s against
00:34:19 the law to harvest they weren’t
00:34:21 harvesting they were just picking enough
00:34:22 to to have a a meal yeah that was not
00:34:27 breaking the law
00:34:28 that was in accordance to the law in
00:34:30 fact the law this is part of tithing
00:34:32 since we talked about tithing earlier
00:34:33 this even ties into tithing these things
00:34:36 are so connected everywhere once you
00:34:38 start knowing stuff
00:34:39 the part of tithing is that you allow
00:34:42 strangers
00:34:43 to walk through your fields and eat a
00:34:45 little bit as they’re walking through
00:34:47 and eating it for the hungry poor I mean
00:34:49 they don’t even have to be poor they can
00:34:51 just be hungry going through
00:34:53 um traveling for example going to the
00:34:56 feasts
00:34:57 okay I need to be more quiet
00:34:59 I get I talk too loud sometimes that’s
00:35:02 that’s part of tithing
00:35:06 and they weren’t breaking it they in
00:35:08 fact the words for harvesting which is
00:35:10 against the Sabbath and just eating a
00:35:13 little bit
00:35:14 are different words actually in Hebrew
00:35:19 he wasn’t breaking
00:35:21 and he wasn’t allowing his disciples
00:35:25 he wasn’t justifying his disciples and
00:35:28 breaking the Sabbath because they
00:35:29 weren’t breaking himself no they weren’t
00:35:30 breaking this sabbath and and I actually
00:35:33 think when he at that instant when he
00:35:36 talked about David it’s not to show that
00:35:39 I it was okay for him to break it
00:35:41 because they weren’t it’s just like
00:35:44 um you thought it was okay for David to
00:35:46 do this why don’t you think it’s okay
00:35:47 for these these guys to actually just do
00:35:51 what is lawful
00:35:53 yeah
00:35:54 uh it was against the oral tradition
00:36:00 um the traditions of men the the
00:36:02 Pharisees the Orthodox they put fences
00:36:07 around the law which then makes the law
00:36:08 a null and void so they they’re
00:36:12 instead of just teaching the law and
00:36:13 helping them people just keep the law
00:36:15 they tell people to keep their laws
00:36:18 right
00:36:21 um but anyways
00:36:23 I forget the main where I was going off
00:36:25 of that sorry
00:36:27 but there’s just so much in the New
00:36:30 Testament that people who don’t know the
00:36:31 law think that Yeshua was breaking it
00:36:33 but the New Testament states that Yeshua
00:36:36 broke no law
00:36:37 yep he couldn’t be in atonement for our
00:36:40 sins if he was under the curse of the
00:36:41 law because because he couldn’t have
00:36:43 because death would have been he would
00:36:45 have deserved death he would have not
00:36:47 have been the lamb without blemish right
00:36:49 uh he wouldn’t have break been able to
00:36:51 break the bands of death if he was
00:36:54 we’re supposed to get the punishment of
00:36:56 death he couldn’t break it the reason he
00:36:59 could break it is because he didn’t
00:37:00 deserve it
00:37:03 but anyways
00:37:06 um oh so maybe unless you guys have
00:37:09 something else in mind we can go to uh
00:37:11 ronai eight
00:37:12 and bring out how it tells us why Yeshua
00:37:16 was baptized
00:37:17 you want to do Sacramento though real
00:37:19 quick uh sure we can do that first
00:37:22 um so I’m gonna pause okay
00:37:27 I love imagery
00:37:32 but one of the things I bring out my uh
00:37:34 Bishops are judges of Israel’s posts is
00:37:38 the multiple aspects that you can get in
00:37:41 things in fact I think this is why we’re
00:37:44 taught through history and parables
00:37:47 is because
00:37:49 it touches us more these images
00:37:52 this imagery these stories
00:37:55 yeah we want stories but we also want
00:38:00 there to be deep meaning in them in fact
00:38:02 I
00:38:05 the the movies that do better at the box
00:38:09 office okay
00:38:11 although primarily they’re all Gnostic
00:38:13 not all of them but almost all of them
00:38:16 are
00:38:17 what I see is the ones that they put in
00:38:21 the Gnostic Gospel in more versus just
00:38:25 having a story
00:38:29 we
00:38:30 crave this stuff the the problem is
00:38:36 people
00:38:38 will go after the the opposite Satan is
00:38:42 because they don’t want
00:38:45 to do what is right and they want to
00:38:46 feel justified in their wrongs
00:38:49 um but
00:38:51 still even with that they We crave it
00:38:55 and the elite know this and that’s why
00:38:58 they’re putting this why they put in
00:39:00 what they they do or part of it anyways
00:39:04 um
00:39:05 because they take what we actually want
00:39:07 and twist it to to justify ourselves and
00:39:11 I’ll just shoot their purposes yeah and
00:39:13 see their purpose is but
00:39:17 deep down we do want to connect with God
00:39:20 and we want to know how to do that
00:39:24 it’s just the majority of us instead of
00:39:28 listening to our conscience was you know
00:39:30 the Light of Christ Spirit of Christ
00:39:31 then push it down
00:39:34 because of their pride and like I didn’t
00:39:36 do anything wrong I’m a righteous person
00:39:38 instead of admitting
00:39:41 I
00:39:42 I am a sinner in need of the blood of
00:39:44 Yeshua yeah I I need you sure because I
00:39:48 have sinned I need Yeshua
00:39:51 and
00:39:53 to
00:39:55 so Hugh Nibley
00:39:57 uh I used to like him a lot more
00:39:59 [Laughter]
00:40:03 um yeah like how I preference that but
00:40:05 there is
00:40:08 let me see if I can find it
00:40:10 I
00:40:16 there we go that’s what I want but let’s
00:40:19 just watch this okay
00:40:21 um
00:40:22 I I love this quote okay
00:40:26 um I have this whole documentary
00:40:34 I have these commercials on it
00:40:36 [Applause]
00:40:39 my mom had this documentary oh I I like
00:40:42 it scared but hey I don’t respect him as
00:40:45 much as I used to 23 years ago today if
00:40:48 you will cast your minds back
00:40:49 on the same occasion I gave the opening
00:40:52 prayer in which I said quote we have met
00:40:55 here today clothed in the black Robes of
00:40:57 a false priesthood
00:40:59 now many have asked me since then
00:41:02 whether I really said such a shocking
00:41:04 thing
00:41:05 but nobody has ever asked what I meant
00:41:07 by it
00:41:09 why not well some knew the answer
00:41:12 already and as for the rest we do not
00:41:14 question things at the BYU but yeah
00:41:19 [Applause]
00:41:27 even even in the full documentary he
00:41:31 they don’t get into what it is and I
00:41:33 don’t know if he did in that talk
00:41:34 because I haven’t looked into it that
00:41:36 much but
00:41:38 [Music]
00:41:39 now that I’ve woken and arised
00:41:44 he was just for the most part an
00:41:46 apologist for the LDS Church
00:41:49 he was
00:41:52 it was it’s beyond that Apollo
00:42:00 he was also an apologist for why we
00:42:05 for all of the occult
00:42:08 that was in the church yeah yeah the
00:42:11 facts of the matter are he was an
00:42:14 occultist
00:42:17 uh I didn’t know that but I I wouldn’t
00:42:19 doubt it with all his apologetics most
00:42:22 of the people most of the people
00:42:25 and study the ancient civilizations get
00:42:29 into the occult
00:42:31 yeah yeah
00:42:34 um
00:42:34 I hadn’t made the connection with him
00:42:36 but I I can definitely
00:42:38 I it would follow the pattern so and in
00:42:42 fact that in even on top of that how
00:42:44 he’s defending it
00:42:45 [Music]
00:42:47 um when why would you defend something
00:42:49 you didn’t believe and he believed it
00:42:51 you would be doing it but anyways
00:42:54 um
00:42:55 I I had actually none of a walk in and
00:42:58 arised and studied
00:43:00 I actually have
00:43:03 very little respect for him and his
00:43:05 teachings
00:43:07 um because a lot of things he’s just
00:43:08 pushing the occult
00:43:10 he’s contrary to the gospel he may know
00:43:12 a cult but he doesn’t know Yahweh
00:43:15 sorry for those who like him
00:43:18 um
00:43:19 as just the facts I know I’ve run into
00:43:21 people while during my waking up phase
00:43:24 that thought that well he was just
00:43:29 you know playing the edge
00:43:33 I I just don’t believe that
00:43:35 no uh you know if you’re really waking I
00:43:39 I what I see in scriptures is completely
00:43:41 different than what they’re applying to
00:43:43 him
00:43:44 right what I you know it’s really
00:43:47 interesting to see how many people
00:43:52 who think they’re coming to Christ and
00:43:55 what have you
00:44:00 will accept the occult because it was
00:44:02 done in in ancient and antique ancient
00:44:05 Societies in Antiquity his work
00:44:08 is his work is a lot of
00:44:13 in terms of my in terms of my mother’s
00:44:16 family his work is a lot of what I have
00:44:18 to overcome
00:44:20 yeah he is an apologist of the occult
00:44:23 yeah um which is sad to say because the
00:44:29 healthiest church still claims him as
00:44:31 their greatest scholar and all he is
00:44:34 doing
00:44:35 is Joseph justifying the occult
00:44:38 practices of the eldest Church by going
00:44:40 to the occult and saying look it was
00:44:43 there too right
00:44:46 yeah just because someone did something
00:44:49 wrong doesn’t justify you in doing
00:44:50 something wrong I I mean well just be
00:44:53 the last the starting and the last half
00:44:55 of Jacob two kind of brings that out
00:44:57 right
00:44:59 anyways sorry
00:45:03 but he did not know the Book of Mormon
00:45:06 very well
00:45:07 right come on Stephen everybody’s doing
00:45:10 it
00:45:11 yeah and everybody’s going to to a
00:45:13 lesser Kingdom too I I don’t want the
00:45:16 the result of everybody else Matt but I
00:45:19 know
00:45:20 I’m just um well I know you’re teasing
00:45:23 but I I’m I’m giving a serious response
00:45:25 on that one yeah well we don’t really we
00:45:29 don’t really
00:45:31 if we are if we’re seeking to be one if
00:45:34 we’re seeking to become as we’re
00:45:36 supposed to become
00:45:38 then we don’t want the path of everyone
00:45:41 else we want to be a peculiar people yes
00:45:46 yeah oh
00:45:49 yeah we want to live in we want to live
00:45:51 in the law because we want to live
00:45:53 within the wind of Yahweh yeah in fact
00:45:56 just how nobody asked him what the black
00:46:00 Robes of the false priesthood is that’s
00:46:03 being called
00:46:05 hello in all of our
00:46:09 honestly they don’t want to in fact
00:46:11 that’s why I’m pretty sure why they
00:46:12 don’t put it even in the full
00:46:13 documentary because that’s what it is I
00:46:15 don’t know if he actually I doubt he
00:46:17 actually our entire education system is
00:46:19 built around occult initiation yeah
00:46:23 that’s the temple
00:46:26 initiation
00:46:27 I I mean so
00:46:31 even though I know more what’s going on
00:46:33 Batman Begins
00:46:35 I still like the movie right
00:46:38 it’s even in that series
00:46:41 right and I’m just I just
00:46:45 I I is it I think it’s in the third one
00:46:48 the last one where it’s got
00:46:53 oh the man with the mask I forget his
00:46:56 name is
00:46:58 that’s the last one right of the three
00:47:00 yeah yeah uh but in that were they were
00:47:04 there when Batman goes down right in
00:47:09 [Music]
00:47:10 in inhale basically and and name is like
00:47:16 uh something to the effect of you know
00:47:20 we don’t have to hide it we know we’re
00:47:22 both initiated and know what’s going on
00:47:25 with these things yeah most of the
00:47:28 people in the oldest church that go
00:47:29 through initiation in fact even in the
00:47:30 occult like Miss masonry they
00:47:34 they’re initiated but they don’t even
00:47:36 understand what they’re going through
00:47:38 right
00:47:40 but and that’s on purpose actually but
00:47:43 anyways yeah well they want those two
00:47:45 were fully initiated and knew what was
00:47:48 going on and they didn’t talk about it
00:47:50 and it it’s just it’s not good it’s not
00:47:54 good no
00:47:56 um but anyways so
00:47:58 one thing
00:48:00 um to get off of that one thing
00:48:03 um if Ben will remember what he said he
00:48:06 said something about the sacrament bread
00:48:08 that goes along with what uh I think
00:48:11 adds some additional insight to what I
00:48:13 said last week so if you remember it Ben
00:48:15 can you oh it could be good for you to
00:48:18 expound that
00:48:19 and I I hadn’t thought about it the
00:48:22 thing is without without the wine
00:48:25 the bread becomes dry and chokes us
00:48:30 yeah and similarly without the atonement
00:48:34 we can die on the on the hill of The
00:48:38 Commandments
00:48:39 yeah in fact we will because yeah we
00:48:42 have sinned and we deserve death
00:48:44 yeah
00:48:46 and the thing is is that the law shows
00:48:49 us wherein we sin now
00:48:52 in stating
00:48:56 that
00:48:57 the Commandments will kill us without
00:48:59 the atonement
00:49:01 that is not to say that man cannot keep
00:49:03 them all
00:49:05 I don’t know but we have broken it we
00:49:08 have broken
00:49:10 but the past the atonement
00:49:13 the atonement recovers our past
00:49:16 right it recovers it gives us hope for
00:49:20 the future and gives us hope for yes and
00:49:23 gives us hope for the future it is
00:49:26 the it is that which allows us to take
00:49:29 down the bread of the law
00:49:32 and this is the bread of the law
00:49:37 that empowers
00:49:40 are
00:49:42 are eventual sanctification
00:49:45 yeah
00:49:48 so all the elements of the sacrament are
00:49:52 actually connected
00:49:55 to one another
00:49:56 well and they absolutely require each
00:50:00 other
00:50:02 it’s much the same way with the law and
00:50:04 the doctrine of Christ
00:50:07 the doctrine of Christ
00:50:09 hangs upon the law
00:50:12 which hangs upon Christ
00:50:19 and so the the two just like the water
00:50:23 and the bread are absolutely necessary
00:50:26 for a
00:50:28 good Sacrament experience
00:50:32 and for the sustenance of the Soul
00:50:36 the Commandments just and the
00:50:39 Commandments and the atonement are
00:50:41 necessary for the sustenance of the Soul
00:50:45 so the doctrine of price
00:50:48 and the law
00:50:50 are connected
00:50:52 as we seek to become
00:50:56 as he is
00:50:58 yeah
00:51:01 okay
00:51:03 are you done Ben
00:51:05 yeah
00:51:06 so okay so here’s a question for you
00:51:09 where you want to go we could go look at
00:51:11 Moroni 8 where it talks about the reason
00:51:13 why Yeshua was baptized or maybe we
00:51:15 could go jump into lectures on phase six
00:51:18 that kind of gives some
00:51:20 Credence to what was just stated
00:51:23 um or we can talk about something else
00:51:25 that you would
00:51:26 like or wondering about
00:51:30 um well I yeah I would like to go into
00:51:34 uh the rest of Moroni eight okay and and
00:51:38 talk about that and then the other thing
00:51:41 I was doing I felt like I connected
00:51:43 these scriptures today the one in Moroni
00:51:46 eight and then I accidentally went to
00:51:48 mormon8 looking for that scripture today
00:51:51 and found a whole a whole new slew of
00:51:54 really awesome scriptures I felt like so
00:51:56 yeah so I I have a post about Mormon
00:51:59 eight
00:52:00 um okay I’ll give you a link to it okay
00:52:04 and it’s just kind of
00:52:09 I like I see something the little
00:52:12 summary I put for is I see something
00:52:14 different in ronai 8 than most do
00:52:17 um and in fact here’s the link and so
00:52:20 whether or not we get there or not that
00:52:21 you can go read it read the link okay
00:52:23 that’s great yeah
00:52:26 I’ll read the post at the link because
00:52:29 the link is pretty short right it shall
00:52:31 come in a day away
00:52:34 but in fact those words are the key to
00:52:38 that chapter in my opinion I I don’t
00:52:42 know where Ben stands on this um chapter
00:52:44 I know where most of the doctrine of
00:52:46 Christ groups stand on that chapter and
00:52:48 I disagree and this post gets into why
00:52:51 okay but okay
00:52:54 um yeah I mean I I’ll
00:52:58 I’ve I’ve been spending I’ve been
00:53:00 spending far more time in the uh and
00:53:02 I’ve been spending far more time in the
00:53:03 Old Testament recently than in oh well
00:53:05 that’s fine so I’m not and I’ve slept
00:53:10 since the last time I thought about that
00:53:12 chapter so
00:53:15 so you’ve sinned since then is that what
00:53:17 you’re telling me
00:53:19 I’m sorry no actually this is going off
00:53:21 of this I’ve literally slept
00:53:31 when he sleeps well I I’m taking the
00:53:35 opportunity to be funny and bring out
00:53:36 what that imagery means oh yeah that’s
00:53:39 awesome yeah and that’s awesome anyway
00:53:42 um I’m also saying his brain is like
00:53:45 strainer when I sleep it leaks
00:53:49 I don’t get that
00:53:51 is that reference to a movie maybe no
00:53:55 it’s an original plot
00:53:57 okay say it again he forgets so if his
00:54:01 brain is like a strainer he forgets it
00:54:04 leaves his brain yeah I I I get it now
00:54:07 and just that’s like um
00:54:09 I’m a 40 right yeah I get it now okay
00:54:14 there we go it just took me a little a
00:54:16 little bit okay all right so
00:54:20 um shall we start with Moroni eight or
00:54:21 do you want to start
00:54:24 yeah let’s uh that’s a question for you
00:54:31 I I
00:54:32 honestly think that’s an important one
00:54:34 but I do try to make this
00:54:37 more of helping people than what I want
00:54:39 to do
00:54:40 um Okay so
00:54:42 it’s rarely I try to help nothing I want
00:54:46 to do I I have done it a couple times
00:54:48 but for the most part I try to make this
00:54:50 for others
00:54:52 there have been there have been some
00:54:54 times where we spent the entire day just
00:54:56 answering questions about it the entire
00:54:58 meeting just answering questions about
00:54:59 his app practically on the lunar Sabbath
00:55:03 oh I I’m like
00:55:05 [Music]
00:55:07 so
00:55:08 and there’s a book I like
00:55:11 um let me honest since we’re
00:55:16 [Music]
00:55:17 um
00:55:33 so this is a good book Pagan
00:55:35 Christianity most of the practices in
00:55:38 Christianity
00:55:39 in in most religious Traditions actually
00:55:42 sadly are based off of pagan Traditions
00:55:45 one being
00:55:47 the the preacher goes up and just
00:55:49 preaches and people just listen
00:55:54 no that’s not how it happens in the
00:55:57 beginning and in the books of Acts it’s
00:56:00 I
00:56:01 I actually when Yeshua stood up and read
00:56:04 Isaiah some people
00:56:07 um will try to claim well he was just
00:56:08 following Padres not Pottery um
00:56:12 oh no I’m forgetting that
00:56:16 hold on
00:56:20 he was just following the Parsha
00:56:22 schedule I disagree with that
00:56:24 um so
00:56:26 um do you know what Parsha is probably
00:56:29 not
00:56:30 I don’t so Parsha is the weekly horror
00:56:34 portion and profit writings
00:56:39 portions scheduled that
00:56:43 the Jews follow and many of the
00:56:46 messianics follow I actually
00:56:51 don’t believe that was what was going on
00:56:53 when Yeshua went to Isaiah I think he
00:56:55 went to Isaiah
00:56:57 purposely
00:56:59 yeah other than just following some
00:57:01 schedule
00:57:03 um but
00:57:05 I I
00:57:06 when I look at Moroni six especially
00:57:09 verse 9 it’s Guided by the spirit what
00:57:13 is needed at the time and that’s not
00:57:16 following a schedule for people
00:57:19 um anyways we in fact
00:57:29 oh Have you listened to it or read it I
00:57:32 I think it’s a really good book but yeah
00:57:34 it’s it’s it really presents well it’s
00:57:38 kind of it it really presents the
00:57:42 um the history behind
00:57:44 the paganization of Christianity yeah I
00:57:47 really enjoyed that yeah and one of
00:57:49 those things is that a preacher just
00:57:51 gets up and just preaches yeah yep
00:57:54 that’s Pagan that’s straight big that’s
00:57:56 Pagan and you know what
00:57:59 Jews do it messianics do it
00:58:03 doctrine of Christ group does it
00:58:06 yep
00:58:07 pretty much everybody does it it’s very
00:58:10 few
00:58:12 the do it like I do
00:58:14 which I base off of morning six nine in
00:58:17 fact the Book of Mormon if you go listen
00:58:19 to this book and I didn’t take notes on
00:58:20 this but it has answers for most if not
00:58:23 always brought out in in that book
00:58:27 Book of Mormon is key as Joseph Smith
00:58:30 stated I really believe that I take the
00:58:34 Book of Mormons very seriously if you
00:58:36 haven’t noticed by now hopefully you
00:58:38 have but anyways
00:58:40 um
00:58:41 a couple of times
00:58:43 [Laughter]
00:58:45 okay anyways but uh the main point that
00:58:49 I’m bringing out here is it’s the pagans
00:58:52 that have someone just go up and preach
00:58:54 it is the actual real Hebrews that sit
00:58:57 down and talk and discuss and go by what
00:59:00 is needed in fact that’s harder actually
00:59:02 because you know what you have to had
00:59:05 three
00:59:08 studied
00:59:09 and gone by the spirit what to study so
00:59:12 that way Yeshua could put in your mouth
00:59:13 to know what to say versus you just plan
00:59:17 it beforehand and do what you want and
00:59:20 what you think sounds good versus what
00:59:22 Yahweh puts in your mouth in the moment
00:59:25 yeah or which one’s going by the spirit
00:59:27 yeah the the interesting thing is is
00:59:30 that
00:59:31 um in the uh
00:59:33 in the fall you know followers of Christ
00:59:36 thing that I did
00:59:38 right at the very right right after they
00:59:40 split away from Phil
00:59:42 uh-huh oh I tried
00:59:45 I tried to no I tried to I tried to do
00:59:48 one based on this idea where and it was
00:59:51 like it was like pulling teeth to get
00:59:54 people to talk
01:00:00 one of my favorite callings in the LDS
01:00:03 bringing my church was actually a
01:00:05 teacher
01:00:06 and I got called Elders Quorum teacher a
01:00:09 lot
01:00:10 um which is fine I I enjoyed it but most
01:00:13 teachers could get people to talk I
01:00:15 could yeah well for the most part I’m
01:00:18 for the most part I’ve always been very
01:00:19 good at it at getting people to talk
01:00:21 yeah but anyways so enough of that so
01:00:25 but this is just where I’m just trying
01:00:28 to tell you we should go by what is
01:00:30 needed and not what is pre-planned
01:00:34 because Parsha is basically the Jewish
01:00:37 schedule
01:00:39 where the eldest church has its schedule
01:00:42 right it’s the same thing it’s Pagan in
01:00:45 both cases
01:00:47 yeah
01:00:48 it’s the truth but anyways okay so
01:00:52 that’s what Hebrew Roots do they do that
01:00:56 complete schedule rather than going by
01:00:58 the spirit which is by God I said well
01:01:02 you know the thing is is if you actually
01:01:04 know the law you don’t have to schedule
01:01:06 it
01:01:07 No in fact the focus is to help the
01:01:10 people not to show how knowledgeable you
01:01:14 are
01:01:14 right and it’s to help the people with
01:01:18 their issues not to go finish some
01:01:19 specific lesson that you you’ve polished
01:01:22 and made it perfect so if we’re
01:01:25 scheduling the law I suggest that we
01:01:27 keep three four and five Commandments on
01:01:30 Monday and then one two and six on teeth
01:01:34 I’m kidding this is why we don’t let
01:01:38 Matt talk too much that’s right
01:01:41 [Laughter]
01:01:43 anyways okay so the the big one about
01:01:46 why Yeshua was baptized is in verse 10.
01:01:49 so now that I’ve found it I I like the
01:01:52 other the the earliest Edition but it’s
01:01:55 harder to search because I have it in
01:01:57 Kindle
01:01:58 um so but not know what verse it is
01:01:59 let’s go show it from there because I I
01:02:02 like the formatting better and a whole
01:02:05 bunch of other reasons but anyways so
01:02:10 um no eight ten sorry it would help if I
01:02:14 scroll the right way
01:02:17 behold I say unto you this thing you
01:02:21 shall teach repentance and baptism unto
01:02:24 which are accountable and incapable of
01:02:28 committing sin
01:02:29 Yeshua was capable of committing sin
01:02:33 that is why he had to be baptized okay
01:02:38 otherwise
01:02:40 what he did would have been showed
01:02:42 nothing and lectures on faith and five
01:02:45 is my favorite verse on our chapter on
01:02:47 this but we can get into sixth Slater or
01:02:49 you know Mormon age yeah it’s not
01:02:51 fulfilling all righteousness
01:02:53 if Yeshua did wasn’t capable of
01:02:56 committing sin and he doesn’t know what
01:02:58 we went through
01:03:00 yeah
01:03:01 that’s why he had to be baptized because
01:03:04 he was accountable and capable of
01:03:07 committing sin he never did
01:03:10 but he was
01:03:11 capable of doing it yeah okay
01:03:16 sorry say that one more time and he was
01:03:19 tempted as well
01:03:21 yeah he never succumbed to it like we
01:03:24 have right but right
01:03:27 um Satan did tempt him to try to get him
01:03:30 too thin but he yeah
01:03:34 um in fact
01:03:35 it’s interesting you know those
01:03:38 especially the 40 days which is the most
01:03:40 common
01:03:44 most famous event of that happening
01:03:46 right
01:03:48 scriptures but he would twist them
01:03:51 and change it out of context and yeah
01:03:55 would quote things in context to combat
01:03:58 it so
01:03:59 I I even that event shows that we really
01:04:03 have to know scriptures
01:04:05 to know what is right and wrong because
01:04:07 Satan knows it better than we do yeah
01:04:10 that’s a good point it’s just the thing
01:04:14 is
01:04:18 go read some before and some after in
01:04:21 fact I if you have time read the whole
01:04:24 chapter in fact maybe even the chapter
01:04:25 before and chapter after to get the
01:04:27 context of the one verse I mean I’m
01:04:30 willing to do that here if you want but
01:04:32 it might be more than you want but
01:04:35 um
01:04:37 it’s important context is important
01:04:40 because yeah a lot of these people who
01:04:42 twist the scriptures are proof texting
01:04:45 and they
01:04:47 take a their isolate away with it is
01:04:51 because I know people don’t go look at
01:04:53 context
01:04:55 yeah yeah
01:04:56 they’re proof texting and isolating
01:04:58 scripture and that’s really bad exegesis
01:05:05 yeah
01:05:07 um so I I I can do that and tell you to
01:05:10 go light off a camel
01:05:12 yeah
01:05:14 she lit off her camel that’s right yeah
01:05:17 I mean I I can tell you use that to go
01:05:19 tell you to still smoke
01:05:21 just whenever you want
01:05:23 yeah
01:05:24 but
01:05:26 most people who know that one does not
01:05:28 fit the context right but
01:05:31 [Music]
01:05:32 on others It generally takes a little
01:05:34 more
01:05:35 um understanding and diligence to to
01:05:38 know on on some things because
01:05:41 that’s actually yeah that’s actually a
01:05:44 really that’s actually a really good
01:05:45 thing right there that that uh that line
01:05:48 right there in the middle of ten which
01:05:50 are accountable and capable of
01:05:52 committing Christ had to be capable of
01:05:53 committing sin
01:05:55 um otherwise it wouldn’t have done what
01:05:58 it was needed to be done yeah
01:06:01 and he had and he had to be just he had
01:06:04 to be just like us if he’s if his if he
01:06:06 had special DNA or some kind of
01:06:08 difference from us I mean with Ron Wyatt
01:06:11 with the fraud he was sorry well I I I I
01:06:16 I bring that when I put it that way
01:06:20 when I talk to people about stuff like
01:06:22 that that way a lot of times
01:06:27 um they can see what I’m saying oh sure
01:06:30 he was human like us yeah he had in
01:06:36 every particular we had to learn how to
01:06:39 sucker his people he cannot sucker his
01:06:41 people if he is not like unto his people
01:06:44 correct
01:06:46 uh and if he had some
01:06:49 some special privilege that made it so
01:06:51 he didn’t have to go through what we did
01:06:53 how could he sucker us going on yeah
01:07:00 how can you believe how how can you
01:07:03 believe that a god like that understands
01:07:05 how to say this
01:07:08 yeah I I like it’s not logical to think
01:07:13 that
01:07:15 um
01:07:15 and anyways so here another interesting
01:07:19 little tidbit for you
01:07:21 is we talked a little bit about
01:07:23 rebaptism all right you go look at verse
01:07:26 10 the second half actually teaches
01:07:28 rebaptism
01:07:30 I’ll I’ll read it and then I’ll expound
01:07:33 it how it teaches re-baptism okay
01:07:36 yay teach the parents that they must
01:07:39 repent and be baptized and humble
01:07:42 themselves as their little children that
01:07:44 they shall be saved with their little
01:07:46 children so
01:07:49 who’s going to teach their children to
01:07:51 be baptized
01:07:53 is it there’s some Joe blow off the
01:07:56 street or is it someone who’s a member
01:07:58 of the church that’s already been
01:08:00 baptized
01:08:02 yeah that it’s someone that’s already
01:08:05 going to be baptized and even more
01:08:08 direct reference to that is Alma chapter
01:08:10 five oh yeah and uh
01:08:15 Moroni sixes I think even more direct
01:08:18 but uh six and uh I’m a five and row 96
01:08:23 are also the two other one my my two
01:08:26 other favorites this is my third
01:08:28 favorite for this but there’s other
01:08:30 places in the Book of Mormon that aren’t
01:08:32 as direct once you know the principle
01:08:35 it’s easier to see them but these three
01:08:38 are easy to point to people that don’t
01:08:41 already know it
01:08:44 um but
01:08:46 it’s telling the the parents who think
01:08:50 that their children
01:08:52 must be baptized that they must be
01:08:54 baptized
01:08:56 yeah AKA re-baptism
01:09:02 I believe in the very thought that you
01:09:04 even the very thought that your children
01:09:05 have to be baptized or they’re going to
01:09:07 hell should that’s a sin
01:09:10 yeah in fact Torah itself actually
01:09:12 speaks out against that
01:09:16 um so I
01:09:18 my guess is
01:09:20 um the church to know Torah
01:09:23 on that point and that’s why they kind
01:09:25 of fell into that
01:09:27 sin I don’t know it completely okay
01:09:31 I study it and I work at it in fact
01:09:34 another point on this this is a great
01:09:36 example how Revelation and teaching
01:09:39 should work within the church because
01:09:42 Moro and I sees the problem he prays
01:09:46 he gets an answer for God now look here
01:09:48 he doesn’t keep the answer to himself
01:09:51 nope
01:09:52 he states exactly what Elohim States
01:09:57 right
01:09:58 and then he expounds it to help those
01:10:01 who aren’t as famous as the scriptures
01:10:03 as he is to help them understand it
01:10:06 quicker
01:10:07 he doesn’t just say well this is what my
01:10:12 take on what God Said is this is what he
01:10:15 actually said and here I am helping you
01:10:18 understand it more you don’t see that
01:10:21 in churches
01:10:23 they they claim revelation
01:10:28 uh sorry about that I guess my internet
01:10:30 went down oh that’s okay or mine are
01:10:35 zooms probably mine but anyways we’re
01:10:37 back okay so
01:10:40 um
01:10:41 I’m not sure exactly sure where I left
01:10:43 off but um this is showing that everyone
01:10:47 I got a revelation he quote he says that
01:10:52 thus saith Yahweh
01:10:54 and then expounds it to help people
01:10:56 understand it faster for those who
01:10:59 aren’t as familiar with the scriptures
01:11:01 as he is because
01:11:02 oh
01:11:07 there are people who
01:11:10 have the desire to understand the
01:11:12 scriptures more than others that’s fine
01:11:14 everybody’s a little different we’re a
01:11:15 body everybody are called to different
01:11:17 duties
01:11:20 um some people are some people are
01:11:22 supposed to be teachers some people are
01:11:24 supposed to be followers yeah that’s
01:11:27 just
01:11:30 yeah I mean it’s even going to be that
01:11:32 way in Zion to be honest but anyways
01:11:35 um
01:11:36 different people some people have the
01:11:39 desire to understand it more than others
01:11:40 and they’ll and if they’re keeping it
01:11:43 then they’ll get called to to do that
01:11:45 but anyways
01:11:48 um that’s quite
01:11:49 but more what I’m bringing out is that’s
01:11:51 different than what restoration and just
01:11:54 churches in general do they’ll claim to
01:11:56 get an answer from God they’re supposed
01:11:58 leaders
01:12:00 well they’re the the false Shepherds
01:12:02 they don’t quote what Yahweh actually
01:12:05 stays but then they give their opinion
01:12:07 of how it should be stated but then they
01:12:10 say well I don’t want you to rely on me
01:12:11 but
01:12:13 the way that they do it they have to
01:12:15 rely on him
01:12:16 because they don’t actually give what
01:12:19 Yahweh said so what else do they have to
01:12:23 go off of
01:12:25 then what
01:12:26 his personal interpretation is
01:12:30 right if they don’t actually do a direct
01:12:32 quote
01:12:37 I’ve I’ve heard a lot of teaching like
01:12:40 that
01:12:41 where they don’t do correct quotes well
01:12:44 where the where
01:12:46 they expound their opinion
01:12:50 I I’ve come to the point where I call it
01:12:52 expostulating from the lower colon
01:12:56 um
01:12:59 they expound they expound their opinion
01:13:02 and then tell you not to take their word
01:13:04 for it
01:13:05 but to take it to God and you have no
01:13:08 idea what it is you’re even trying to
01:13:10 take to God because it was a big old
01:13:12 mess and you didn’t understand it right
01:13:15 and in fact
01:13:17 um DMC 9 and 10 says
01:13:19 you need to study it out they didn’t
01:13:21 actually give yahweh’s words that you
01:13:24 could study out yourself personally to
01:13:26 go take it to God in the first place
01:13:28 right
01:13:30 so I they’re
01:13:33 they have a form of godliness but they
01:13:35 deny the power thereof oh
01:13:38 form of hot air and they’re really good
01:13:41 at EX at throwing it around that’s more
01:13:44 what’s going on I completely agree with
01:13:46 you Ben
01:13:48 um but I’m getting but then again I’m
01:13:51 getting grumpy and cantankerous in my
01:13:53 old age well
01:13:56 um I’ve run into it a lot in my days so
01:13:58 I understand where you’re coming
01:14:02 um
01:14:03 in fact I I know a lot of brighamines
01:14:06 will tell me well I just know Nelson’s a
01:14:09 prophet and so I’ll bring up DNC 9 and
01:14:12 10. so what of his fruits did you
01:14:15 actually study out and pray about so
01:14:16 that way you can show me what those
01:14:18 fruits are that you studied out so I can
01:14:20 study them out oh I just know that he’s
01:14:22 a prophet wait a minute do you see nine
01:14:25 and ten states you have to study it out
01:14:27 so what what actual fruits did you
01:14:29 actually study out
01:14:30 it’s endless Circle and that and then
01:14:33 you can and then if you’re really if you
01:14:36 really want to get into it then you can
01:14:38 say okay what prophecies has he made
01:14:41 because that’s one of the fruits
01:14:44 yeah
01:14:46 uh if I have a post on that
01:14:51 what yeah you’ve never heard me say that
01:14:55 right
01:15:00 so it was just read the summary in
01:15:03 Matthew 5 15-20 Yeshua stays that we
01:15:07 shall know the prophets by their fruits
01:15:10 Matthew 7 16 you shall know them by
01:15:12 their fruits Jesus Yeshua did not say
01:15:15 you shall know them know their fruits of
01:15:17 being a prophet after you believe they
01:15:20 are prophets on the contrary Yeshua is
01:15:23 showing us One important principle of
01:15:25 not being deceived before you can know
01:15:28 that someone
01:15:30 is the title that they claim to have
01:15:32 from Elohim you must know of their
01:15:34 fruits you must have the knowledge of
01:15:37 the fruits of the title before you can
01:15:39 study out in our minds before we take it
01:15:42 to Yahweh for confirmation that the
01:15:45 title comes from him
01:15:47 he has taught in dnc98 and Deuteronomy
01:15:51 and Deuteronomy
01:15:53 gives us a couple of things straight off
01:15:57 the bat by which we can tell true of
01:15:59 false prophets this is one of the
01:16:01 problems with the restorationist stance
01:16:04 that the Old Testament has fatally
01:16:06 flawed they lose their power of
01:16:08 discernment because they’ve cut off cut
01:16:10 themselves off from the law oh
01:16:13 restorationists are probably more
01:16:15 fraught with false prophets than
01:16:17 Christianity to be honest yeah well I
01:16:20 mean they have more and they reject more
01:16:23 so they get more problems but anyways
01:16:25 they’re all pagans anyways
01:16:28 the whole thing is is that um
01:16:33 foreign
01:16:37 have they given a prophecy that did not
01:16:39 come to pass
01:16:41 okay they’re a false prophet
01:16:44 yeah if all their prophecies have come
01:16:46 to pass do they teach the law
01:16:48 if they or have they changed the law if
01:16:51 they’ve changed the law or they don’t
01:16:52 teach the law they’re a false prophet
01:16:57 so uh so this gets into Deuteronomy 13
01:17:01 and 18. right in fact FYI
01:17:05 uh Alma 30
01:17:08 which we’re told to abide by Joseph
01:17:10 Smith right because we’re supposed to
01:17:11 buy the Book of Mormon guess what it
01:17:13 follows Deuteronomy 13 and 18. Torah
01:17:16 Point by point
01:17:18 point by Point what is required
01:17:23 of testing a true Messenger or not
01:17:29 I I’ve started a post on that you’ve
01:17:32 never heard that
01:17:34 and I
01:17:38 I never finished it because I hadn’t I
01:17:41 was looking for an answer for a part of
01:17:43 it that I I couldn’t find but Yahweh has
01:17:46 told me an answer to it
01:17:48 um
01:17:49 so I need to get back to it but I’m
01:17:51 working on finishing other posts but
01:17:53 that I I spent time working on finishing
01:17:57 my
01:17:58 King David sin and Brigham Young’s lust
01:18:02 post yeah I really want to look at that
01:18:04 one I really want to look at that when
01:18:05 you’re done with it yeah yeah well I’ll
01:18:07 you I may have you proofread it before I
01:18:11 publish it because you’ve you got
01:18:13 YouTube been good on that but anyways
01:18:15 um I I I’m working on it I’ve been
01:18:18 working on it since I finished the you
01:18:20 know what is the Eternal end it just
01:18:23 um I I like it to
01:18:25 double check triple check quadruple
01:18:27 check myself before I publish things
01:18:29 because if I publish something that’s
01:18:31 erroneous I’m I’m
01:18:35 held to that and I I don’t want to be
01:18:38 teaching false Doctrine so I I’m I’m
01:18:40 extra careful and I get there are pros
01:18:44 and cons to that right because then that
01:18:46 makes it take longer but at the same
01:18:47 time
01:18:48 well I’m checking myself
01:18:51 I’m getting more depth that I can add to
01:18:53 the post and I can able to help people
01:18:55 see it better also so there’s pros and
01:18:58 cons to it and I recognize that
01:19:00 but
01:19:02 because I I myself
01:19:06 test what I believe Yahweh is giving me
01:19:08 to the scriptures
01:19:12 I remember reading what I believe what
01:19:14 Yahweh is giving me
01:19:17 sadly most people don’t do that and
01:19:19 they’re getting taught by demons because
01:19:21 they’re not testing it
01:19:23 yeah yeah
01:19:27 you have to be a Berean
01:19:29 [Music]
01:19:31 every priests the bereans because they
01:19:34 tested his words to the scriptures which
01:19:37 at that point was the Old Testament
01:19:39 which most people reject today
01:19:44 is the interesting thing is that the Old
01:19:46 Testament was the foundational document
01:19:48 of the early Christian Church yeah
01:19:52 a lot of the New Testament is expounding
01:19:54 the Old Testament showing that it’s
01:19:56 still valid
01:19:57 well you
01:20:00 people who think don’t don’t think the
01:20:03 Old Testament is valid is because
01:20:05 they’re proof texting and they’re going
01:20:06 off the false Traditions that they were
01:20:08 taught by the pagans
01:20:10 and I I’ll I’ll tell you Christians are
01:20:14 pagans who don’t know it
01:20:16 seriously
01:20:18 Christians are pagans who don’t know it
01:20:20 well that’s the my son my son Johnny got
01:20:24 taken aback when I called and when I
01:20:26 called it uh when I when I called it
01:20:29 what it is Pagan Christianity
01:20:34 I Paul didn’t call himself a Christian
01:20:37 he called himself the Nazarene I call
01:20:40 myself the Nazarene Mormon
01:20:42 and most of the original most of the
01:20:45 original Church did not call themselves
01:20:48 Christians they called themselves that
01:20:51 came off
01:20:54 Simon
01:20:56 Magus
01:20:57 who really did a bad thing in the church
01:21:02 in fact I believe Peter and Paul also
01:21:04 prophesied that he was going to be part
01:21:06 of the end time problem because he’s the
01:21:09 one that a big start of the
01:21:13 the papacy
01:21:15 they actually called themselves
01:21:17 quotation set apart one’s followers of
01:21:19 the way yeah basically or sometimes the
01:21:22 Believers they had a couple names but
01:21:25 um the group from my studies and this is
01:21:28 not something I’ve done a whole bunch on
01:21:30 but somehow the ones that called him
01:21:32 Christian call themselves Christians
01:21:35 were calling Simon Magus which is a bad
01:21:38 thing
01:21:39 yeah bad place to be anyway the guy was
01:21:42 a magician
01:21:45 uh
01:21:46 which Revelation talks about how I mean
01:21:49 people are going to be defeat deceived
01:21:51 by that stuff but anyways it’s still
01:21:54 going on
01:21:56 um
01:21:57 um anyway so what we’re going on I’ll
01:22:00 hop up I forget
01:22:03 [Music]
01:22:06 oh yeah yeah so we’re more right oh
01:22:09 um so do you want to look at more ronai
01:22:13 eight or do you want to go to Mormon
01:22:14 eight now
01:22:16 um I’d like to go to all mormon8 now
01:22:18 yeah that’s okay okay sure so
01:22:22 uh if it’s okay
01:22:24 I have a post that I think would be good
01:22:27 to start off of unless you just want to
01:22:29 go to the chapter
01:22:30 but
01:22:32 um whatever is easier for you to explain
01:22:35 uh for me it’s easier to go up start
01:22:37 with what something I’ve already written
01:22:39 but we can just go there but I I’ll
01:22:44 a lot of my posts are actually showing
01:22:47 the scriptures and then expounding them
01:22:49 I I especially my newer ones and so I
01:22:53 whatever go my poster the scriptures
01:22:56 it’s pretty much the same because I I do
01:22:59 a lot of quoting I don’t know if you’ve
01:23:01 noticed that yeah
01:23:08 Okay so
01:23:10 and there’s so coming a day when that
01:23:13 that is a key phrase in mormonate and we
01:23:17 if you want we can maybe Sidetrack on
01:23:20 secondly by 28 just briefly to give some
01:23:23 context to help set it also assess it in
01:23:27 the end times end times context
01:23:30 yeah so let’s go
01:23:33 uh I
01:23:35 let’s go to second
01:23:37 I I’m gonna because I want to search I’m
01:23:40 gonna do it and be
01:23:44 The Gospel Library I I prefer the format
01:23:48 and stuff of the earliest text but and
01:23:51 the Kindle edition I have to share its
01:23:55 search feature for stuff like this is
01:23:58 garbage so
01:24:01 um oops
01:24:05 second Levi 28 yeah
01:24:09 um
01:24:13 yes
01:24:18 oh yes this is one of the most often
01:24:20 quoted uh chapters by yeah so I’m trying
01:24:24 to do that it’s private groups
01:24:28 maybe it went
01:24:30 hold on it’s been a little while
01:24:34 uh maybe I’m trying to figure out
01:24:38 ah
01:24:39 okay
01:24:41 they
01:24:48 so my main point right now is there’s a
01:24:58 okay
01:24:59 when is a a common theme between second
01:25:03 Nephi 28 and Mormon eight and most
01:25:07 people don’t make this connection so
01:25:11 second Nephi 28
01:25:13 is Nephi talking and expounding after he
01:25:19 just read the second Nephi 27.
01:25:22 second Nephi 27 is talking about the
01:25:25 coming forth of the Book of Mormon okay
01:25:29 are we in agreement on that I mean we
01:25:31 can get into it but I I just yes
01:25:34 yeah okay I I just
01:25:37 ah
01:25:39 I see a lot of people
01:25:42 Jews Christians and restorationists
01:25:45 they make a lot of claims that when you
01:25:48 go look at the scriptures there’s no
01:25:50 basis for it so I just want to make sure
01:25:52 there’s
01:25:53 when I’m stating something you can see
01:25:55 the basis of that in the scriptures okay
01:25:57 because okay that’s an important thing
01:26:00 here because I I believe we
01:26:04 I I’m gonna Sidetrack a little bit sorry
01:26:07 but this is to build this point of why I
01:26:09 do this okay
01:26:12 okay
01:26:13 [Music]
01:26:21 [Music]
01:26:24 foreign
01:26:30 Okay so
01:26:36 so even though
01:26:38 we get Revelations today I I do believe
01:26:41 God continues to speak okay and I’ve
01:26:44 received thanks okay but like I told you
01:26:47 I will be a Berean still check it to the
01:26:50 scriptures okay
01:26:52 but
01:26:54 so let’s look at something that is
01:26:56 stated and seconded by three okay
01:27:01 and here’s a chiasm I love chiasms
01:27:04 anyways uh wherefore the fruit of
01:27:06 thylines
01:27:08 um The Book of Mormon shall write so
01:27:11 that the lines of the house
01:27:14 or Joseph yeah
01:27:16 um yeah
01:27:18 and the fruit of the loins of Judah
01:27:20 shall write Bible
01:27:22 and which shall be written by the fruit
01:27:24 of the violence Joseph
01:27:27 and also which shall be written by the
01:27:30 fruit of the loins of Judah Bible shall
01:27:33 grow together unto the confounding of
01:27:35 false doctrines oh wait a minute so it’s
01:27:38 saying
01:27:39 Bible Book of Mormon compound false
01:27:41 doctrines not
01:27:44 supposed other Revelations
01:27:49 yeah it doesn’t even yeah
01:27:53 it doesn’t bring out the doctrine
01:27:54 Covenants
01:27:56 um
01:27:57 you can maybe bring Doctrine covenants
01:28:00 in second Nephi 29 okay I mean yeah
01:28:04 but I I don’t even think it really fits
01:28:07 there I think it’s uh other books from
01:28:10 other tribes not DNC but we can look at
01:28:13 that in a little bit if you want to
01:28:15 but either way right now in fact this is
01:28:19 even a special chapter second Nephi 3 is
01:28:22 about the mighty and strong one okay
01:28:24 which I do not believe is Joseph Smith
01:28:26 and we can get in details of that but
01:28:31 this Mighty and strong one whoever he is
01:28:36 guess what he’s going to be focused on
01:28:39 Bible and Book of Mormon and not his own
01:28:41 personal Revelations
01:28:44 because they shall grow together
01:28:46 now he will get his own Revelations
01:28:49 because that’s how we’re gonna that
01:28:52 when you get close to Yahweh that is how
01:28:54 he teaches you right but then he will go
01:28:58 find it in the Bible in the Book of
01:29:00 Mormon and teach it from there not from
01:29:02 his own words and his own Revelations
01:29:04 but from the Bible in the Book of Mormon
01:29:06 because this chapter is about the mighty
01:29:08 one and this is what the mighty one is
01:29:10 going to be doing
01:29:11 shall go together and confound the false
01:29:14 doctrines and laying down of contentions
01:29:17 getting rid of those
01:29:19 false doctrines are contentious
01:29:22 establishing peace among the fruit of
01:29:25 thy loins the establishing of Peace the
01:29:27 confounding of false doctrines are
01:29:30 they go hand in hand yeah in fact it
01:29:33 goes hand in hand with peacemakers
01:29:35 what is a peacemaker a peacemaker or
01:29:37 someone who teaches the ways of Yahweh
01:29:40 which points them how they can receive
01:29:43 the peace because the peace only comes
01:29:46 from Yahweh Yeshua
01:29:49 after you do his
01:29:51 do things his way I’m from that own way
01:29:55 and from that we have the fact that a
01:29:58 Benedict was truly a publisher of peace
01:30:01 in spite of the fact that he created
01:30:03 quite an uproar
01:30:04 correct but
01:30:07 um you know what
01:30:08 he created peace for one man in that
01:30:12 instance Amma the Elder and Alma the
01:30:16 Elder created a lot of Peace for many
01:30:17 people
01:30:18 and hence if Benedict created peace for
01:30:21 many people
01:30:22 because it started with Alma a
01:30:25 Benedictine sorry they both start with
01:30:27 A’s
01:30:31 um
01:30:32 but it was because abinadai
01:30:37 had the courage to stand up for what is
01:30:40 right
01:30:41 despite
01:30:43 the hatred from other people
01:30:46 but and we can get in a second if I uh
01:30:51 three more on this but I’ll just finish
01:30:54 with this chiasm and if you want to get
01:30:56 into more depth into this we can
01:30:59 um and bring them to the knowledge of
01:31:01 their fathers in the last day
01:31:03 Abraham Isaac and Jacob Moses Adam so on
01:31:07 and so forth and also the knowledge of
01:31:10 my covenants say Yahweh now what is the
01:31:13 purpose of the Book of Mormon according
01:31:15 to the gold the title page from the gold
01:31:17 plates among the fruit of thy loins
01:31:23 uh Joseph
01:31:24 this is quoting
01:31:27 uh
01:31:28 Joseph well this is quoting Yahweh
01:31:31 talking to to Joseph of Egypt yes now I
01:31:36 do believe on this that the mighty and
01:31:39 strong one is going to be a seed of
01:31:42 Joseph of Egypt
01:31:44 so but anyways and also the knowledge of
01:31:47 my covenants saith the Lord you see
01:31:49 that’s the thing is that the purpose of
01:31:52 all of this is to bring Israel to a
01:31:56 knowledge of the Covenants
01:31:58 of the of the covenants of the Lord to
01:32:00 them the Gentiles have no hope outside
01:32:04 of being adopted into Israel right in
01:32:08 fact the Book of Mormon doesn’t speak
01:32:09 very highly of
01:32:11 the Gentiles Gentiles have the Gentiles
01:32:15 have no hope if they are not adopted
01:32:17 into the house of Israel yeah uh and you
01:32:21 need to repent and get adopted into
01:32:23 thousand and the only one that makes it
01:32:26 clear when you repent you get adopted in
01:32:28 the house of Israel in multiple
01:32:30 locations but I’m sadtracting a side
01:32:34 tracking side tracking so unless you
01:32:36 want to go down that side track I’ll
01:32:38 I’ll go now that I finished that point
01:32:40 why I focus on the Book of Mormon so
01:32:43 much and what it’s stating
01:32:45 let’s go back to that
01:32:47 unless you want to look on on that more
01:32:52 oh no let’s go back and that’s good oh
01:32:54 okay
01:32:56 um
01:32:58 shiny objects right yeah I have a
01:33:01 problem
01:33:05 squirrels but these squirrels are
01:33:07 logical and falling uh
01:33:10 a very valid thought process right it’s
01:33:14 not just crazy it’s good I’m liking all
01:33:17 this explanations I am okay
01:33:22 so it shall come to pass
01:33:27 in the day when is a common thing in
01:33:31 Moroni a and the same thing with
01:33:33 um second Nephi 28 and I bring you this
01:33:36 is because they’re both talking about
01:33:37 the same time period and we’ll get into
01:33:40 more details why after a little bit but
01:33:43 this is talking actually about so this
01:33:46 is an exposition on on Isaiah 27 which
01:33:50 is about the Book of Mormon coming forth
01:33:52 correct yeah in fact we can see that in
01:33:55 the first couple verses in fact so do
01:33:59 you want to read those and say some
01:34:00 stuff and I can add some stuff then for
01:34:02 those first couple and now behold my
01:34:05 brother and I’ve spoken on you according
01:34:06 as the spirit hath constrained me
01:34:08 therefore I know that they must surely
01:34:10 come to pass and the things which shall
01:34:12 be written out of the book shall be of
01:34:14 great worth unto the children of men
01:34:16 this is talking about the book that was
01:34:18 just talked about
01:34:20 uh in the previous chapter which is
01:34:22 talking about the coming fourth of the
01:34:23 Book of Mormon and on that point so a
01:34:26 lot of Christians think that chapter in
01:34:28 Isaiah is not talking about the Book of
01:34:30 Mormon or Ezekiel 37 but when you go
01:34:33 look at targums or old commentaries from
01:34:37 those chapters
01:34:40 um the Ancients believed it was talking
01:34:42 about a record
01:34:43 yes okay it it’s the modern society that
01:34:47 doesn’t want to accept the Book of
01:34:49 Mormon yeah they’ll find ways around it
01:34:53 but okay how do you you don’t write on a
01:34:56 tribe
01:34:57 you you write a record but anyways right
01:35:00 just yeah
01:35:03 there’s all things that are greatly
01:35:04 inconsistent if it’s not talking about a
01:35:06 record oh yeah even just Ezekiel
01:35:10 that’s another Sidetrack I’ll shut up
01:35:12 now sorry
01:35:15 she’ll be a great one I’m sorry I just
01:35:18 can’t I once I get started on that
01:35:22 a couple of great words on to the
01:35:25 children of men especially onto our seed
01:35:27 and here he’s Nephi’s talking about his
01:35:30 seed his people right the priority of
01:35:33 the Book of Mormon are
01:35:35 he states that the lamanites but I’ll
01:35:37 State the lehighs because it’s the
01:35:39 lamanites and the Nephites actually but
01:35:41 anyway yeah because some Nephites
01:35:44 crossed over into in into the lamanites
01:35:46 and survived yeah yeah
01:35:48 and so yeah it’s it’s all a matter of
01:35:51 it’s lehights at this point so which is
01:35:54 a remnant of the House of Israel so the
01:35:56 Book of Mormon is for the house of
01:35:58 Israel and it is for his seed
01:36:01 is it it is for their seeds specifically
01:36:03 yeah primarily the lehighs secondarily
01:36:07 the Jews
01:36:09 uh would Judah juice has a lot of
01:36:13 meanings but it’s primarily Judah and
01:36:15 Benjamin but also but also for the other
01:36:18 10 tribes of Israel right right and and
01:36:21 second Nephi 28 makes you know 29 makes
01:36:24 that more clear
01:36:26 um which is actually the next chapter
01:36:27 right but yeah anyways
01:36:30 for it shall come to pass that in that
01:36:32 day that the churches which are built up
01:36:34 and not and here it is again in that day
01:36:37 even churches that which are built up
01:36:39 and not under the Lord when the one
01:36:41 shall say unto the other behold I I am
01:36:43 the Lords and others shall say I I am
01:36:45 the Lords and thus shall everyone say
01:36:46 that that hath built up churches and not
01:36:49 unto the Lord
01:36:50 in that day that the churches which are
01:36:53 built up and not on
01:36:54 so
01:36:56 so I I think that
01:36:58 I mean we can maybe read a little more
01:37:00 but that’s pretty much I think making it
01:37:03 clearer it’s he’s expounding upon what
01:37:05 wasn’t just in the previous chapter yes
01:37:08 so this comes fourth in a day when all
01:37:11 the churches are saying I The Book of
01:37:13 Mormon comes forth in a day and all
01:37:15 churches are stating I am the Lord’s
01:37:17 right and so here’s just about the same
01:37:20 day for this day right Miracles they’ll
01:37:22 teach this and that’s what was taught
01:37:24 during that day that if you go look at
01:37:27 how Christianity has changed its
01:37:28 doctrines I think a a big part of it is
01:37:33 in response to the Book of Mormon to be
01:37:35 honest but I believe in the Book of
01:37:37 Mormon but you can just go historically
01:37:38 and see how they have changed their
01:37:40 focuses and how they approach things
01:37:42 yep through his historical documents so
01:37:46 a big thing there’s a lot in this
01:37:48 chapter about at that day when this
01:37:51 happens right
01:37:53 so with that unless you want to go look
01:37:55 at all these verses that talk about that
01:37:58 but there’s but I don’t
01:38:01 yeah
01:38:03 I mean yeah the main thing if if second
01:38:07 Nephi 28
01:38:09 is talking about
01:38:12 uh the day when the Book of Mormon comes
01:38:14 forth
01:38:15 uh I do think I mean there I think there
01:38:19 are some elements
01:38:21 that um
01:38:23 I think there are some elements which
01:38:25 are still in the process of fulfillment
01:38:27 Within 28.
01:38:29 um who or which were still in the
01:38:32 process of fulfillment which we see in
01:38:33 right fulfillment now well so
01:38:36 I I think it’s been I believe it has
01:38:40 been filled fulfilled but
01:38:43 fulfill many
01:38:45 most
01:38:47 prophecies have multiple fulfillments so
01:38:50 yes it’s still being fulfilled today
01:38:53 yeah it’s still playing out or still
01:38:56 playing that that’s probably the way
01:38:57 it’s putting it it’s still playing out
01:38:58 but it it happened at the coming fourth
01:39:02 of the Book of Mormon yeah
01:39:04 I could go with that it’s something
01:39:06 that’s been fulfilled but still plays
01:39:08 out even it’s it’s still happening today
01:39:10 in fact I part of the reason why a lot
01:39:14 of people will play
01:39:16 uh Mormon eight to today is because it’s
01:39:19 still happening
01:39:20 parts of it but there are specific
01:39:22 things in there that
01:39:25 um make it so it’s not specifically
01:39:27 about
01:39:28 today today
01:39:30 but it was about the past in fact
01:39:32 there’s even things in here that I would
01:39:34 say that are specific to
01:39:36 the lehights and not to the Gentiles as
01:39:40 a lot of people who
01:39:42 he’s Doctrine Christ and other
01:39:43 break-offs
01:39:44 um we’ll try to make it well they a lot
01:39:47 of people a lot of people want to
01:39:50 there’s a great desire to dispossess the
01:39:53 entire house of Israel
01:39:56 um
01:39:57 many some of them they’ve dispossessed
01:40:00 them of the any history that they have
01:40:01 of any connection to their past some
01:40:04 they’ve
01:40:05 um yeah and these restorationist groups
01:40:08 making
01:40:09 uh Mormon eight about today is doing
01:40:13 that because it it’s
01:40:16 it’s not about today in fact there’s
01:40:18 parts of it in here where it’s
01:40:21 um
01:40:23 I believe this is Moroni
01:40:25 um I’d have to go double check but this
01:40:28 is more than I’m speaking right
01:40:30 uh lamentating over the lamanites and
01:40:35 the Lehi and the Nephites which why I
01:40:37 kind of say the least because it does
01:40:39 bulk but it’s lamentating off of their
01:40:42 perversions that they
01:40:44 did
01:40:46 um so but anyways so with that in mind
01:40:50 I also that’ll kind of set a precedent
01:40:52 in here in fact uh another president
01:40:55 just to keep in mind before we go
01:40:57 through this there are phrases in here
01:40:59 that talks about
01:41:01 that
01:41:03 unless it’s talking about the Book of
01:41:06 Mormon it’d be a
01:41:08 it’d have to be talking about the sealed
01:41:10 place but there’s still Place hasn’t
01:41:12 happened yet so it’s not talking about
01:41:14 right now if that makes sense exactly
01:41:17 okay
01:41:18 and so I’m and I’m it’s been a while
01:41:20 since I’ve looked at this post but I do
01:41:24 generally recall I kind of bring that
01:41:25 out so we can start with here or we can
01:41:28 just go to the chapter it’s just here it
01:41:31 kind of brings out key verses at least
01:41:33 what I thought was key verses at the
01:41:35 time I wrote this instead of just
01:41:36 reading the whole chapter because last
01:41:39 week we started reading second Nephi two
01:41:41 and we only went through a couple of
01:41:43 verses in like an hour an hour and a
01:41:46 half so it’ll take forever if we don’t
01:41:48 go pick out the key verses okay all
01:41:51 those German squirrels yeah yeah
01:41:57 part of the problem is
01:41:59 I just I don’t remember every
01:42:02 specific verse yeah where everything is
01:42:04 located at and yeah I
01:42:08 I’m doing this at these things at your
01:42:11 request so I I don’t I’m not
01:42:13 pre-prepared here other than what I
01:42:14 already right no one can reference right
01:42:17 so it’s just I’m using this as a good
01:42:19 starting point because I know it deals
01:42:20 with these issues okay yeah okay
01:42:24 so I know many who believe that Mormon 8
01:42:28 is talking about the Church of Jesus
01:42:30 Christ of Latter-day Saints specifically
01:42:32 the latter verses Mormon 8 35-40
01:42:37 41 although I do believe the early
01:42:39 church is doing the same horrible things
01:42:41 mentioned in those verses which I still
01:42:43 do
01:42:44 I don’t believe it is a fulfillment of
01:42:47 the prophecy I the LDS church is not the
01:42:49 Fulfillment of that prophecy for
01:42:52 starters let’s look at what is being
01:42:53 said in this chapter okay church is not
01:42:57 really the Fulfillment of much in any
01:42:59 prophecy
01:43:00 I
01:43:02 yes or no I I mean I have my king virgin
01:43:05 post and so I mean that’s a big
01:43:09 fulfillment right it’s a very key
01:43:13 fulfillment in my opinion and there are
01:43:16 some others yeah that’s a that’s a valid
01:43:18 point
01:43:19 um but like along this point the 3516
01:43:25 um some people will say the LDS church
01:43:27 but I think it’s more just Restoration
01:43:29 in general
01:43:31 um
01:43:32 because the Restorations are the ones
01:43:34 that are rejecting this new truth it’s
01:43:36 not still the church because I pretty
01:43:39 much every Restoration Church rejects
01:43:42 what’s in the Book of Mormon in fact
01:43:45 I might accept this and accept that post
01:43:47 that I shared with you earlier that
01:43:49 maybe your husband will like is a
01:43:52 summary of me sharing Book of Mormon
01:43:54 verses with brighamites and josephites
01:43:58 as in Joseph the third okay okay it’s I
01:44:02 get the same responses
01:44:06 same can’t breath yeah it’s
01:44:11 basically they trust their armor flesh
01:44:14 more than they do the Book of Mormon
01:44:16 I just do a little nice little summary
01:44:18 over that that’s a summary of what
01:44:21 people say and then I actually do it an
01:44:23 exact quote from Joseph Smith to
01:44:25 counteract that General summary and I do
01:44:28 that four or five times I don’t know the
01:44:31 exact count but anyways all right I’m
01:44:33 excited to read that post yeah it’s your
01:44:36 husband might like it and that might be
01:44:38 a good one for him to start with because
01:44:39 some of the other ones get more deep and
01:44:42 Technical and but okay it can be a
01:44:46 little heavy
01:44:47 yeah oh yeah I think my king Brigham
01:44:51 post is
01:44:52 around
01:44:53 58 and a half by 11 pages if you go oh
01:44:57 yes is that one longer than the all
01:45:00 things you can do
01:45:02 they’re about the same uh they’re close
01:45:05 enough it would I’d have to double check
01:45:08 because
01:45:10 anyways they’re about the same but
01:45:12 anyway anyways
01:45:15 um so there are points in verses 1
01:45:18 through 11 Moroni
01:45:20 is finishing the record of his father
01:45:22 Mormon the lamanites killed the Nephites
01:45:24 hiding the record in the Earth
01:45:27 ronai and Mormon have seen the three
01:45:29 Nephites so the next verses I am going
01:45:33 to group together to talk about are
01:45:34 verses 12 through 26 the reason I’m
01:45:37 going to group these together is so many
01:45:39 verses is because the majority of them
01:45:43 The Book of Mormon in various
01:45:45 oh are citing The Book of Mormon uh it
01:45:50 that doesn’t sound the best I probably
01:45:52 should have had you proofread this a
01:45:53 long time ago but this is before I knew
01:45:55 you anyways
01:45:58 um but it’s going off of how they’re
01:46:00 talking about the coming forth of the
01:46:01 Book of Mormon in various ways some more
01:46:03 obvious than others okay so I I just I
01:46:07 know what’s going on so I know what I
01:46:09 meant and so I I didn’t most of my posts
01:46:12 I actually didn’t have anybody proofread
01:46:13 it before I published it the last couple
01:46:16 I I I’ve had been in that
01:46:20 uh proof freedom and a big part is
01:46:23 because I trust them more than I have
01:46:25 other people to be honest okay
01:46:28 um so that’s a compliment to those two
01:46:31 uh so Mormon 812 this is um
01:46:37 this is a a direct quote I mean it’s not
01:46:40 the full thing but and whosoever
01:46:42 receiveth this record 14 I am the one
01:46:45 who hided Up This Record
01:46:48 so this is talking about
01:46:50 in my mind the Book of Mormon and we can
01:46:52 get into I believe the post will get
01:46:54 into other verses why I believe it’s not
01:46:56 the sealed portion but see how it’s
01:46:58 talking about who received this record
01:47:00 it’s about receiving the record the
01:47:01 timing of receiving the record right and
01:47:05 I am the same who height up this record
01:47:08 right moroney’s the one that hit it in
01:47:10 fact he’s
01:47:15 Moroni had when Moroni had to take over
01:47:19 the record he didn’t understand
01:47:21 everything that he was supposed to do at
01:47:23 the time okay in fact later in wrote I
01:47:28 not eight nine he kind of says I’m done
01:47:30 right
01:47:32 which then leaves a promise it’s from
01:47:36 early third Nephi or
01:47:39 or words of Mormon I I forget exactly
01:47:41 but there’s a promise in there that
01:47:43 Mormon States
01:47:45 that
01:47:47 a summary of the book of ethers going to
01:47:51 be in it
01:47:52 oh
01:47:54 Mormon didn’t know this at this time so
01:47:56 this is kind of showing how his father
01:47:58 Mormon didn’t tell Moroni everything
01:48:02 so anyways there’s just all these little
01:48:04 little tidbits that when you get into
01:48:06 the details that it shows that the
01:48:08 prophets don’t know everything like some
01:48:11 people think they should I I don’t
01:48:13 believe that I love this fights thereof
01:48:15 are of noteworth laughs
01:48:19 uh
01:48:21 I’m not an oh okay oh yeah as in uh for
01:48:25 money purposes because the the the worth
01:48:28 is what their T the real worth is what
01:48:30 the words and what they’re teaching on
01:48:31 right that’s it’s interesting in
01:48:34 relation to Joseph Smith history where
01:48:36 Joseph Smith talks about the first thing
01:48:37 he notices is that oh these plates are
01:48:40 made of gold
01:48:41 yeah
01:48:42 um
01:48:43 there are I forget is it Mormon nine
01:48:47 maybe or maybe it’s another one but
01:48:49 there’s a chapter in Mormon or Moroni
01:48:53 and I’m more thinking Mormon but it’s
01:48:56 been a little while
01:48:58 um that’s completely directed at Joseph
01:49:00 Smith
01:49:01 completely
01:49:03 um but anyways that that’s a squirrel
01:49:10 sorry look at this we’ve part we’ve
01:49:13 partly to any of this and we’re already
01:49:14 doing squirrels but the record thereof
01:49:17 is of great work so they’re that’s
01:49:19 basically the squirrel I was just
01:49:20 talking about right but what’s written
01:49:23 there is what’s the word and whosoever
01:49:25 shall bring it to light him will Yahweh
01:49:29 bless so that’s going to be Joseph Smith
01:49:32 and the mighty one because the mighty
01:49:33 one is the one is going to do the seal
01:49:35 portion but anyways
01:49:38 um but I actually believe the part
01:49:40 that’s really being talked about here is
01:49:42 we’ll hopefully get more clear as we go
01:49:44 down is the part that Joseph Smith did
01:49:46 right okay okay
01:49:48 well the next one will put a puts that
01:49:51 into sharp relief for none can have
01:49:53 power to bring it to light save it be
01:49:55 given him of God
01:49:56 that’s true for both right yeah but
01:50:00 technically but technically we have the
01:50:02 sections demonstrating in the Doctrine
01:50:05 and Covenants demonstrating that Joseph
01:50:06 Smith brought it forth by the gift of
01:50:08 power of God right right right but I I
01:50:10 do believe that’s the case with the
01:50:12 mighty one when he translates the sealed
01:50:14 portion but I do believe there’s more
01:50:15 down as we read more that makes it clear
01:50:19 the context more of the comfort of the
01:50:23 unsealed portion so what we have right
01:50:25 now
01:50:27 um
01:50:28 and blessed be he that shall bring this
01:50:31 thing to light yeah it shall be brought
01:50:33 out of the earth and it shall be done by
01:50:35 the power of God and if these if there
01:50:38 be false
01:50:39 and if there be false they’ll be false
01:50:41 of men so
01:50:44 um
01:50:45 as long as it is printed correctly yeah
01:50:48 there’s a post I want to do
01:50:50 I believe in the Book of Mormon as far
01:50:52 as it’s printed correctly and so Ben
01:50:54 knew exactly where I was going so and
01:50:57 I’m going off of the phrase in the
01:50:59 article’s place we believe the Bible as
01:51:02 far as it’s translated
01:51:04 the printer did not believe in the Book
01:51:07 of Mormon and at times he did actually
01:51:10 did not go off the manuscript because
01:51:11 there was no punctuation in the
01:51:14 manuscript and so he put impact
01:51:15 punctuation and at times because of the
01:51:19 difficulty of doing that instead of
01:51:22 going off the manuscript he was given he
01:51:24 would go off of the King James version
01:51:26 Bible so and this actually answers some
01:51:30 of the criticisms that are in
01:51:32 that are on that
01:51:35 um
01:51:36 because it was the printer’s fault
01:51:39 he was being kind of lazy actually
01:51:42 he was being a smacked one yeah and
01:51:45 Royal skeleton’s work has shown that and
01:51:49 I I like
01:51:51 his earliest texts and all the the work
01:51:53 that’s done that he did into doing that
01:51:56 I I really appreciate that and he’s done
01:51:59 some lectures on it which I can give
01:52:00 some links on that talks about this
01:52:02 which would be the basis of that post
01:52:05 which would be quoting him and then some
01:52:08 expounding on that but anyways we’ll
01:52:11 send you the parts of the men but behold
01:52:13 we know no fault nonetheless God knoweth
01:52:14 all things so on that point though
01:52:17 if there are false of the faults of men
01:52:20 yeah
01:52:23 these doctrine of Christ groups
01:52:26 they love to focus on how they think
01:52:30 there’s faults
01:52:31 but look at this
01:52:34 Moroni says nonetheless
01:52:36 we know so this is talking about Mormon
01:52:39 and Moroni they don’t know no fault in
01:52:42 the text no fault
01:52:44 uh-huh so if there are faults it must
01:52:47 have happened after
01:52:49 it left
01:52:50 their stewardship
01:52:53 okay
01:52:55 I I mean I’m getting that from the text
01:52:58 right I’m not making this yeah I’m just
01:53:00 reading it out
01:53:02 and so to me that really points to
01:53:05 the printing process
01:53:07 uh-huh anyways
01:53:10 um nonetheless God knoweth all things
01:53:14 uh and he that says show unto me or you
01:53:19 or ye shall be smitten blessed him be
01:53:22 worthless he commandeth that which is
01:53:24 forbidden of
01:53:25 Yahweh so this is I mean this is talked
01:53:28 about in
01:53:30 um second Nephi 27
01:53:33 um which is quoting Isaiah but this is
01:53:35 talking about how
01:53:37 um
01:53:38 the Martin Harris incident where Martin
01:53:40 Harris you know
01:53:41 wanted to
01:53:44 show the record I forget the name of the
01:53:47 guy of this
01:53:48 scholar translator he Martin Harris
01:53:51 showed it too but then Anton yeah
01:53:53 because the internet transcript
01:53:56 um but he’s like you know show me the
01:53:59 record right
01:54:00 but you couldn’t because it was
01:54:02 forbidden of Yahweh
01:54:05 show unto me that that’s what he said
01:54:08 give it to me so I can translate show it
01:54:10 to me all of this actually this is
01:54:13 actually
01:54:14 this is actually very much a
01:54:18 this is this is something that’s going
01:54:20 to happen with this kind of thing
01:54:23 yeah this is Mariah doing a prophecy
01:54:25 yeah
01:54:27 a specific impact of specific action
01:54:29 problems yeah uh which is what was Nephi
01:54:34 was bringing out in seconding by 27 so
01:54:36 it’s I
01:54:39 I’ll be honest Nephi was
01:54:43 a son of Lehigh was some Prophet because
01:54:46 a lot of the rest of the Book of Mormon
01:54:49 a ton of it actually goes back and
01:54:51 points to Nephi and the things that he
01:54:53 taught
01:54:55 Nephi
01:54:58 had a lot of figured out
01:55:00 way at the beginning before anything
01:55:02 happened and I think it’s a lot of it
01:55:04 has to do with because if it’s a
01:55:06 relationship with Yahweh he’s always
01:55:08 been my favorite one he’s always been my
01:55:10 favorite person to read in the book
01:55:12 morning
01:55:12 because he was always he saw so much
01:55:15 wickedness in his lifetime and yet he
01:55:18 always he remains an optimist
01:55:22 yeah essentially left Jerusalem anyways
01:55:25 yeah
01:55:27 um but anyways well I mean even even his
01:55:30 tail end as farewell is kind of
01:55:32 optimistic about yeah it’s
01:55:38 kind of both but yeah I got a little bit
01:55:41 of a warning about the you know
01:55:44 yeah go ahead and judge it
01:55:46 yeah he’s basically saying well if you
01:55:48 don’t think it’s of God then go studies
01:55:50 God’s words know what they are and then
01:55:52 you’ll know these are from God
01:55:55 uh second E5 33 that’s a summary of part
01:55:59 of it right
01:56:00 [Laughter]
01:56:02 really that’s I mean we go look but
01:56:05 that’s another thing but that’s
01:56:07 basically what
01:56:09 three of the verses and they’re saying
01:56:12 I I I don’t remember the actual count
01:56:15 but that’s a good summary of a portion
01:56:17 of it but yeah but anyways uh squirrels
01:56:20 oh where did we leave off here
01:56:24 you finished 18. okay but anyway he oh
01:56:28 yeah so 17
01:56:29 not the anthron
01:56:32 um situation right that’s 18 is the
01:56:35 antonym oh okay sorry sorry
01:56:38 um
01:56:39 you want to read a little bit Ben and he
01:56:42 that shall breathe out wrath and strives
01:56:44 against the work of the Lord and against
01:56:46 the Covenant people the Lord who are the
01:56:48 house of Israel and shall say we will
01:56:50 destroy the work of the Lord or the Lord
01:56:52 will not remember his Covenant which he
01:56:54 hath made unto the house of Israel the
01:56:56 same is in danger to be hewned down and
01:56:58 cast Into the Fire you know so this
01:57:01 could be a section three
01:57:03 treasure and uh the 116 pages is what
01:57:07 really comes to mind
01:57:09 the section three is about 116. so as
01:57:12 you can see here I I’ve grown on things
01:57:15 and I if I would rewrite this I can add
01:57:20 a lot more than what I I’ve I’ve done I
01:57:22 was still learning and growing but look
01:57:24 this was 2018 and we’re in the end of
01:57:29 2022. it’s been uh six years
01:57:33 I’ve learned a little bit more since
01:57:35 then and I I’ve
01:57:37 done better job of expounding what’s
01:57:41 there
01:57:42 um
01:57:43 I I
01:57:44 probably just assume these people would
01:57:47 pick this stuff up
01:57:49 or now I just know people just don’t
01:57:52 they need some help
01:57:54 yeah
01:57:55 this comes with a lot of study
01:57:59 um which I I actually like doing I’m I’m
01:58:02 sure Ben will say the same thing yeah oh
01:58:05 yeah I love the scriptures it’s my
01:58:08 favorite hobby
01:58:09 yeah it really is it’s better than
01:58:13 computer games that’s for sure
01:58:14 yeah I haven’t played a computer game
01:58:16 for a long time actually I though I I do
01:58:20 kind of like uh the first person
01:58:22 shooters but I anyways that’s all
01:58:27 okay all right where’d you leave off Ben
01:58:31 Mormon 823
01:58:33 down 8 23. these those sites who have
01:58:37 gone before me who have possessed this
01:58:39 land shall cry yay even from the dust
01:58:41 will they cry unto the Lord
01:58:44 that’s a big thing about this this
01:58:47 unsealed portion about the people crying
01:58:50 from the dust right all throughout the
01:58:52 Book of Mormon
01:58:53 and
01:58:55 actually this actually ties into the
01:58:57 this actually ties into Revelation as
01:58:59 well with the Martyr the prayers of the
01:59:02 Saints being what unleashes the Judgment
01:59:04 of God
01:59:06 judgments of God well it was the Genesis
01:59:08 too but yeah yeah
01:59:10 yeah that’s true well it’s just showing
01:59:12 it’s consistent from the beginning the
01:59:14 end but anyways yeah
01:59:17 it doesn’t change well I have lots of
01:59:20 quotes on that but that’ll be another
01:59:21 squirrel and that’s another squirrel
01:59:24 Mormon 8 24 and he knoweth their prayers
01:59:27 and that they were in behalf of their
01:59:29 Brethren so
01:59:32 I believe these prayers is being talked
01:59:34 about are Nephi Jacobs all about how
01:59:37 this record will go to their brethren
01:59:40 right yes which
01:59:43 um was
01:59:47 the purpose of the first missionaries in
01:59:49 the church was to go take it to the
01:59:52 lamanites
01:59:55 can I say that again and they didn’t do
01:59:57 it yeah they put it off right and then I
02:00:02 I mean I’ve read some history on this
02:00:04 where they were kind of in the area for
02:00:06 a time but then the missionaries took
02:00:09 too long to get there so the Indians
02:00:10 left so they yeah well
02:00:14 it’s because of the human weaknesses of
02:00:18 the early
02:00:20 people in the Church of the people in
02:00:22 the early church oh I I we’re passing
02:00:25 the church I had my weaknesses they’re
02:00:27 absolutely they absolutely hated
02:00:30 American Indians
02:00:36 in the country and the church it there’s
02:00:39 anyways that’s a whole other subject but
02:00:42 yeah Mormon 8 25.
02:00:45 and behold their prayers were also on
02:00:47 behalf of him that the Lord should
02:00:49 suffer to bring these things forward
02:00:51 so it’s you know about yeah
02:00:54 praying for Joseph and no one needs say
02:00:57 that they shall not come for they shall
02:00:59 for they surely shall for the Lord has
02:01:02 spoken it for out of the Earth shall
02:01:04 they come by the hand of the Lord and
02:01:06 None Shall stay it and it shall come in
02:01:07 and it shall come in a day when it shall
02:01:10 be said that Miracles are done away
02:01:13 cross-reference second Nephi yeah that’s
02:01:17 why I started with that just kind of get
02:01:19 that in your mind as we look through
02:01:20 some of these key verses it’s talking
02:01:23 about the same Concepts that are going
02:01:25 on in second week by 28 and second Levi
02:01:27 28
02:01:28 although it’s still happening today
02:01:30 is primarily about the coming forth of
02:01:33 the Book of Mormon
02:01:34 okay and it shall come even as if one
02:01:38 should speak from the dead
02:01:41 most of the verses in the next group of
02:01:42 verses 27 34 say something to the effect
02:01:45 of when the Book of Mormon Comes This
02:01:47 will be happening
02:01:48 okay
02:01:50 so let’s go into that and it’s all
02:01:52 coming today when the blood of the
02:01:53 Saints shall cry unto the Lord because
02:01:54 of the secret combinations and the works
02:01:56 of darkness uh second Nephi 28. and
02:02:00 again check that was in that was in
02:02:02 place already at the time of the
02:02:04 foundation of the at the time of Joseph
02:02:06 Smith right which you know a big reason
02:02:10 why 116 pages
02:02:12 the United States
02:02:15 founded by secret combinations right and
02:02:18 Joseph Smith even said regarding the
02:02:21 United States that
02:02:23 we we think the United States is wicked
02:02:25 now
02:02:26 but Joseph Smith
02:02:28 said it was wicked in his day and he
02:02:31 noticed it earlier than most of us have
02:02:35 today waking up to issues and and that’s
02:02:38 after tons more crop
02:02:41 um
02:02:42 perversions and Corruptions since Joseph
02:02:44 Smith’s day right Jose well and the
02:02:47 whole and the whole thing is is that
02:02:50 many of the things that we view now as
02:02:54 righteous
02:02:55 they’re viewed in society as uh among
02:02:59 Christian pagans is righteous
02:03:02 all right that’s actually wickedness
02:03:05 very Wicked yeah
02:03:08 um okay Mormon 828 and it shall come to
02:03:10 uh yeah it shall come in a day when the
02:03:13 power of God shall be denied and
02:03:15 churches become defiled and be lifted up
02:03:17 in the pride of their hearts okay even
02:03:19 in a day when the leaders of churches
02:03:20 and teachers shall rise in the pride of
02:03:22 their hearts even to the end being of
02:03:24 them who belong to their churches
02:03:26 people’s second Nephi 28.
02:03:30 yeah you shall come to pass and yes I’ll
02:03:33 come in a day when there shall be heard
02:03:34 of buyers and tempests and Vapors of
02:03:36 smoke and foreign lands
02:03:39 this is actually something that’s this
02:03:42 particular one is actually a quite
02:03:45 common prophecy
02:03:49 the idea of fires and tempests and
02:03:51 Vapors of smoke it’s
02:03:54 not necessarily it’s not necessarily end
02:03:57 time specific
02:03:58 no and in Broad Meadowland is done some
02:04:03 research on
02:04:05 or that happened
02:04:08 actually physically happened not too
02:04:11 long before the Book of Mormon was
02:04:13 translated to the vapors of smoke even
02:04:16 to the point of
02:04:17 they couldn’t have candles like in
02:04:20 second Nephi I mean 35 11 or not 11 but
02:04:24 just before uh eight nine and ten ish
02:04:26 right right yeah anyways it was so the
02:04:30 darkness was so thick you could feel it
02:04:32 and there and there shall also be heard
02:04:35 of wars and rumors of wars and
02:04:37 earthquakes and diverse places this is
02:04:38 also a very common prophecy throughout
02:04:40 the scriptures and it’s not necessarily
02:04:42 end time specific no and this is in fact
02:04:45 wars and rumors of wars has to do with
02:04:48 the kingdom that we’re in now and
02:04:51 the when you look at other I have
02:04:54 another post on this they would get into
02:04:56 that helps support this but what is
02:04:59 stated in the Book of Mormon of what the
02:05:00 condition is going to be when the sealed
02:05:03 portion happens
02:05:04 is
02:05:06 different than this okay which gives
02:05:10 Credence to this being about what we
02:05:14 already have and I we we if we have time
02:05:18 we can go into that but if not I’ll give
02:05:20 you the link
02:05:21 okay
02:05:23 or actually
02:05:27 it’s gonna I can find it quicker in one
02:05:30 of these ones
02:05:31 uh I think I can find it quicker on this
02:05:33 one
02:05:34 this guy’s a cop it correct
02:05:38 yeah but I I just I reference this post
02:05:47 on this page yeah on this one so
02:05:53 um oh no no no no no it’s
02:05:57 that one sorry
02:05:59 uh yes in the seal portion yeah so and
02:06:04 there’s that if we get time we can go
02:06:06 into it but if not there you which
02:06:10 you’ll see a transition in in my post
02:06:13 here I just quoted scriptures instead of
02:06:16 expounding them in addition but anyways
02:06:19 hopefully with this
02:06:21 if we run our time you can go read that
02:06:23 and get a better understanding if not we
02:06:25 can do more next time okay anyways
02:06:28 yeah it shall come in a day when there
02:06:30 shall be great pollutions upon the face
02:06:32 of the Earth there shall be murders and
02:06:35 robbing and lying and deceivings and
02:06:38 Autumns and all manner of Abominations
02:06:39 that would practically be that could
02:06:41 practically be any time in the world’s
02:06:43 history
02:06:44 yeah but I do to some degree think that
02:06:48 goes back to seconding by 28 though no I
02:06:50 no I’m I’m just pointing out why this is
02:06:54 not necessarily about the last days uh
02:06:57 correct that’s my point to say what I’m
02:06:59 saying okay a lot of this stuff they we
02:07:02 assume that it’s about the last days we
02:07:04 assume that it’s about our time but it
02:07:06 doesn’t necessarily because there have
02:07:08 been murders robbing lying deceivings
02:07:10 whoredoms in all manner of Abominations
02:07:11 all throughout the world’s history right
02:07:13 right so this is not this and this is a
02:07:16 good point because a lot of people will
02:07:18 take this first and apply it to now and
02:07:20 Ben’s point is it’s been going on
02:07:22 forever
02:07:24 okay
02:07:26 when there shall be many who who will
02:07:28 say do this or do that and it mattereth
02:07:31 not for the Lord will uphold such the
02:07:33 last day but will unto such for they are
02:07:35 the god of bitterness and the bonds of
02:07:37 iniquity
02:07:38 and that’s what does the does actually
02:07:41 that phrase does tied to Second by 28
02:07:43 pretty highly though this one is part of
02:07:46 the Universalist Doctrine
02:07:48 correct which has been going on for a
02:07:51 while but universalists were a big were
02:07:53 big in Joseph Smith’s time
02:07:56 right but in second Nephi 28 there’s the
02:08:00 big thing you know eat drink and remarry
02:08:01 for it does not that’s not exact quote
02:08:04 for it doesn’t matter yeah for tomorrow
02:08:06 we died God will give us a few Stripes
02:08:09 so it’s saying it a little different but
02:08:11 the principle
02:08:13 or precept behind it is exactly the same
02:08:16 right exactly so Mormon so this one this
02:08:20 one here really ties it to uh second
02:08:23 Nephi 28 which is about the coming
02:08:27 fourth of the Book of Mormon
02:08:29 um you know sorry sorry to disappoint
02:08:33 all you people who wanted to be about
02:08:34 today uh it’s just I think a lot of
02:08:37 people
02:08:39 they have these glasses that it’s all
02:08:42 about the LDS churches and that’s not
02:08:44 the case
02:08:45 yeah yeah
02:08:47 it shall come in a day when there shall
02:08:49 be churches build up that say come unto
02:08:51 me and for your money you shall be
02:08:52 forgiven your sins you see the thing
02:08:54 about the LDS church with there are
02:08:57 people who pointed this and say that
02:08:58 it’s about the LDS church LDS church is
02:09:00 just following suit from Christian
02:09:02 churches from Christian pagans
02:09:04 throughout
02:09:05 the time of Christian paganism
02:09:07 right but the the oldest church doesn’t
02:09:10 really do that 32.
02:09:13 well you have to be a tithepayer to go
02:09:16 to the temple and they’re well but
02:09:17 that’s not to be forgiven that’s yeah
02:09:19 that’s different but that’s to go to the
02:09:21 highest Kingdom and that’s a little bit
02:09:23 different this is very much like a
02:09:24 thought uh Catholic thing yes that this
02:09:27 is accountable indulgences which they
02:09:31 sold uh which was a bigger deal and
02:09:36 Joseph Smith’s time in the Book of
02:09:37 Mormon yeah it was done then it is now I
02:09:40 mean it’s still
02:09:41 an issue today but it was a bigger issue
02:09:44 back then well yeah now and now it’s now
02:09:47 people are so used to this kind of thing
02:09:49 that’s all we have the song indulgences
02:09:50 okay yeah
02:09:52 yeah but anyways behold the Lord hath
02:09:55 Shone unto me great and marvelous things
02:09:57 concerning that concerning that which
02:09:59 must shortly come at that day when these
02:10:01 things shall come for them
02:10:03 so when they start
02:10:05 the things that we’re just talking about
02:10:08 start happening is shortly after that
02:10:10 now shortly and sooner interesting words
02:10:15 so I I mean that’s not the best word to
02:10:18 use we’ll just leave it at that
02:10:21 but then after that happens then these
02:10:25 then coming forth of whatever we’re
02:10:28 talking about it’s becoming fourth and
02:10:30 there’s a ton correlation here hopefully
02:10:34 that you can see
02:10:35 that is being stated in Mormon eight
02:10:38 that goes along with second Nephi 28
02:10:40 right yeah even though we maybe we
02:10:43 didn’t go first by verse
02:10:45 um like I said if I did a new post I
02:10:47 would have done that more but
02:10:50 um yeah
02:10:51 the the point is is that
02:10:55 it is very possible a lot and we do it a
02:10:59 lot
02:11:00 those things which are most relevant to
02:11:03 us
02:11:04 who our glasses
02:11:07 we we all wear the glasses which state
02:11:10 that those things which are most
02:11:11 relevant to us have to be most relevant
02:11:13 to the people who wrote the Book of
02:11:15 Mormon
02:11:16 and then this is where they’re just
02:11:18 proof texting and leaving certain things
02:11:20 out because I mean look at we’ve only
02:11:22 covered about a third of the post so far
02:11:26 we’re we’re still probably getting to
02:11:28 the point where it’ll be more meaty
02:11:29 because I it’s been a long time but I do
02:11:32 remember bringing out some points that
02:11:33 shows that there are verses in this
02:11:36 chapter
02:11:37 that are
02:11:42 the way it’s taken is talking about what
02:11:44 we’ve already gotten
02:11:45 versus it can’t be about the sealed
02:11:48 portion which we haven’t gotten yet and
02:11:51 so it has to be about the coming fourth
02:11:53 of the book of Honor so just looking at
02:11:55 everything rather than just a few bits
02:11:57 and pieces here that we want to apply to
02:11:59 us
02:12:00 as Ben is bringing out yeah
02:12:03 so and the thing is is that not
02:12:06 everything
02:12:08 um it when you look at when you look at
02:12:12 a
02:12:13 when you look at interpreting scripture
02:12:16 appropriate it’s not for private
02:12:18 interpretation well
02:12:20 you have to
02:12:23 take everything into account all of you
02:12:26 always works not just the ones that make
02:12:29 it look like you’re right you have to
02:12:30 take everything into account
02:12:32 and so and AKA be a Berea sorry exactly
02:12:37 good way to wrap that bit up anyway
02:12:42 uh it’s probably my turn unless you want
02:12:44 to keep going or maybe go ahead unless
02:12:47 Kesley wants to take a turn reading
02:12:49 something then we can stop them
02:12:51 okay
02:12:53 oh I can’t see very well it’s a little
02:12:55 small for me oh okay if you’re on your
02:12:58 phone that would be harder yeah
02:13:01 if you ask me
02:13:04 it sounds much like Joe dismissed when
02:13:06 the Book of Mormon came forth I get that
02:13:08 from Joe Smith history and other various
02:13:10 quotes from Joe Smith like this one that
02:13:13 at the age then of
02:13:16 60 years our blooming Republic began to
02:13:20 decline under the withering Touch of
02:13:23 Martin Van Buren disappointed
02:13:26 ambition thirst for power Pride
02:13:29 corruption party Spirit you know instead
02:13:34 of going for everybody just you know
02:13:36 let’s go with them
02:13:37 faction
02:13:39 patronage
02:13:42 what is that word requisites
02:13:45 what does that mean
02:13:47 let’s look it up and then you don’t know
02:13:50 yeah I don’t remember your your father’s
02:13:54 uh I remember I remember a lot of things
02:13:57 but purposes I do not okay
02:14:03 no I should have jumped another way
02:14:04 anyways that’s still good enough to get
02:14:06 there
02:14:07 I was thinking about the word because
02:14:11 uh-oh
02:14:14 you you her
02:14:19 quiz set right here uh
02:14:24 here it is noun
02:14:27 a fee or pecuniary allowance to an
02:14:29 officer for services Beyond his ordinary
02:14:32 salary or settled wages where he feel up
02:14:35 by a law to an officer for a specific
02:14:37 service in lieu of an annual salary so
02:14:40 in the way in the way it seems like he’s
02:14:42 talking about bribes yeah I would I was
02:14:45 going to say being paid off which is
02:14:47 bribes right yeah okay all right okay
02:14:50 uh Fame tangling
02:14:53 allowances spiritual weakness in high
02:14:57 places struck hands and revealing
02:15:00 midnight Splendor trouble vexations
02:15:03 perplexity contentions mingled with hope
02:15:07 fear and murmuring Rebel through the
02:15:09 union and agitated the whole nation as
02:15:13 would an earthquake at the center of the
02:15:16 Earth would
02:15:17 eating the sea Beyond its bounds oh man
02:15:20 that that he’s using symbolic
02:15:24 imagery here I don’t know if you’re
02:15:25 catching it I don’t know if you want to
02:15:27 Sidetrack on these things but anyways
02:15:29 and shaking the Everlasting Hills
02:15:32 so in hopes of better times while
02:15:35 jealousy hip hypical
02:15:38 hypocritical potentials contentions
02:15:41 poppiest Ambitions were looks like
02:15:45 serrating on deteriorating luxurating on
02:15:49 The ill-gotten Spoils of the people
02:15:51 holding they were roles in their Majesty
02:15:54 like a tornado and oh man and sweeping
02:15:58 through the I just see a lot more in
02:15:59 this than I probably did originally seen
02:16:01 this because I I’ve learned the imagery
02:16:03 more until General Harrison impaired as
02:16:06 a star among the stormy clouds for
02:16:09 better weather anyways that’s really
02:16:12 interesting that’s another interesting
02:16:14 description
02:16:15 so what Joseph Smith is describing
02:16:19 pretty much of his day
02:16:22 matches this right that’s my point there
02:16:25 yeah okay
02:16:28 um and to add strength to these verses
02:16:30 talking about the Book of Mormon comes
02:16:32 from all look this is kind of so I guess
02:16:34 I you know second Nephi 27 Isaiah 29
02:16:37 second Nephi 28 show forth the same
02:16:39 things happening when the Book of Mormon
02:16:41 comes before right which I kind of
02:16:44 preloaded this so I guess I didn’t need
02:16:46 to but oh well so give me 527 talks
02:16:49 about the coming fourth of the Book of
02:16:50 Mormon
02:16:52 and second Nephi 27 9 is well a little
02:16:57 verse this chapter is talking about the
02:16:59 coming forth The Book of Mormon movement
02:17:01 there are so many others that are
02:17:02 obvious once you know the history around
02:17:04 the coming fourth book moment
02:17:06 but the book shall be delivered another
02:17:07 man he shall deliver the book the words
02:17:10 of the book which are the words of one
02:17:12 who have slumbered in the dust he shall
02:17:15 deliver these words unto another
02:17:18 in verse 2 of second Nephi 28 it states
02:17:22 that what is in the Book of Mormon
02:17:25 mentioned in second E5 27 will be great
02:17:28 Worth to the least lehights and unto all
02:17:31 men
02:17:31 signify 28 2 and all things which shall
02:17:35 be written out of the book shall be of
02:17:37 great worth unto the children of men
02:17:38 especially unto our seed you know
02:17:41 primarily our seed which is the room in
02:17:43 the house of Israel verse 3 says for us
02:17:47 shall come to pass in that day and so
02:17:49 which it shall come in a day when which
02:17:53 is pretty much the same thing right
02:17:55 that’s why this post is titled that it
02:17:57 shall come in a day when
02:17:59 because it’s talking about all the wins
02:18:01 that’s going to be happening yeah it’s
02:18:05 describing the it’s describing the um
02:18:08 the situation
02:18:11 description yes yeah
02:18:14 uh okay you want to take a minute Ben
02:18:18 all right
02:18:20 now back to Mormon chapter 8 verse 35
02:18:22 Moroni starts off by saying he has seen
02:18:24 our day which I completely believe no no
02:18:26 no you skipped a little bit right here
02:18:27 oh oh sorry um
02:18:30 a whole list of things that will be
02:18:32 happening with the Book of Mormon comes
02:18:33 forth both these chapters list many of
02:18:35 the same things happening when the
02:18:37 sacred record The Book of Mormon Goes
02:18:39 Forth from the dust of the earth just as
02:18:41 I said with Mormon eight the sins
02:18:43 mentioned in second Nephi 28 is still
02:18:45 happening today and we should guard
02:18:47 ourselves against them but the period of
02:18:48 time these chapters are specifically
02:18:50 talking about is when the Book of Mormon
02:18:52 comes forth now back to Mormon chapter 8
02:18:54 verse 35 starts off by saying he has
02:18:58 seen our day which I completely believe
02:18:59 is the truth a question should be asked
02:19:02 who is he talking to when he says he has
02:19:04 seen our dead
02:19:05 does that mean specifically for today
02:19:07 for or when the Book of Mormon comes
02:19:09 forth is the previous chapters we’re
02:19:10 talking about or is that someone who has
02:19:13 is or will in the future lived on the
02:19:15 earth I believe there is a chance that
02:19:17 Moroni has seen all the family of Adam
02:19:19 and I believe the focus of this is
02:19:22 during the period of when the Book of
02:19:23 Mormon comes forth for one the focus of
02:19:26 for quite a while has been when the Book
02:19:28 of Mormon comes forth in the previous
02:19:30 verses and there has been no indication
02:19:32 of time period changing on top of the
02:19:35 rest of the verse is Mormon 8 36-41
02:19:38 follow the same warnings that are in
02:19:40 second knee by 28 which are also talking
02:19:43 about the coming forth of the Book of
02:19:44 Mormon
02:19:46 I do understand that many scriptures
02:19:48 have dual and moral fulfillments but I
02:19:50 don’t believe this applies to win the
02:19:52 sealed portion of the Book of Mormon
02:19:54 comes forth because of the Prophecies of
02:19:56 it’s coming and because of Prophecies of
02:19:58 its coming in the Book of Mormon there
02:20:00 is here is one example which you can
02:20:02 find on this other post I did earlier
02:20:04 scriptures about the sealed portion and
02:20:06 ether ether 4 6 for the Lord said unto
02:20:08 me they shall not go forth unto the
02:20:10 Gentiles until the day that they shall
02:20:12 repent of their iniquity and become
02:20:15 clean before the Lord now look at this
02:20:18 everything that he’s talking about is
02:20:21 about all these iniquities that are
02:20:23 going on when this record comes forth
02:20:27 right I don’t believe that all the
02:20:29 Gentiles will repent of their iniquity
02:20:30 no no but the thing is the
02:20:34 ether and other scriptures other than
02:20:37 this one right here but I share this one
02:20:39 because of I think of how clear it is
02:20:42 they’ll return of their iniquity
02:20:45 that hasn’t happened no the vast
02:20:48 majority of the the vast majority of uh
02:20:52 the vast majority of Gentile of
02:20:54 restoration as Gentiles are still making
02:20:56 excuses as to why they aren’t uh why
02:20:58 they aren’t filled with iniquity well
02:21:00 and then they have excuses why they’re
02:21:01 not Zion too right blah blah blah
02:21:03 anyways
02:21:05 um but
02:21:06 whatever records coming forth it’s
02:21:09 talking about all these sins that are
02:21:11 going on when this record comes forth
02:21:14 contrasted to what this verse and other
02:21:17 verses which we can go look at next if
02:21:19 you want um
02:21:24 they’re different completely different
02:21:27 conditions yeah yeah when I like I said
02:21:31 in order for the seal like I was going
02:21:34 like I was going to say in order for the
02:21:36 sealed portion to come forth there has
02:21:37 to be a group of people who has repented
02:21:40 and returned well yeah it’s more than
02:21:44 just a group
02:21:46 um but anyways the wickedness will still
02:21:49 be in the world when the Christ comes I
02:21:51 I agree on that so you think probably
02:21:54 the sealed portion will come as Zion’s
02:21:57 established
02:21:58 as well yeah I I I think it’s going to
02:22:01 be after Zion’s established well that’s
02:22:03 yeah that’s actually that’s actually
02:22:05 quite possible
02:22:07 um
02:22:08 but it’s also said that Zion will be
02:22:10 established in the wilderness song
02:22:13 foreign
02:22:14 [Music]
02:22:16 that can be read a couple ways but
02:22:18 anyways yeah and so if you want we can
02:22:21 go look at the verses that deal with the
02:22:23 coming of the sealed portion but
02:22:28 they’re all pretty much along the same
02:22:30 lines yeah yeah
02:22:32 the state that’s being described in
02:22:35 Mormon a is completely different than
02:22:37 the state of coming forth as sealed
02:22:39 plates and it’s talking about something
02:22:41 coming forth
02:22:43 or the either the unsealed portion or
02:22:46 the sealed portion but the point here
02:22:49 that I’m making in this post it’s the
02:22:51 conditions that’s being talked about
02:22:53 here matches the unsealed portion and
02:22:56 not the sealed yeah we have to rent the
02:22:58 veil of unbelief before we can receive
02:23:01 the shield portion
02:23:03 exactly
02:23:06 um and I I mean
02:23:11 another
02:23:14 I don’t know if you know about the
02:23:15 Brazil debacle uh
02:23:19 um but I I have a couple posts on
02:23:22 specifically on that that would relate
02:23:24 to this if you wanted to go
02:23:27 look at that the neck and post is just
02:23:32 our resource page doesn’t
02:23:35 I I haven’t read anything about how
02:23:37 specifically he’s just an idiot sorry or
02:23:42 a full that’s a better way of putting it
02:23:44 um
02:23:45 I
02:23:47 be careful he’s a clown yeah
02:23:53 where the Lord did make mention of watch
02:23:57 out you don’t call people fools well
02:23:59 without a cause and I have a Cause
02:24:03 let’s go look at that since I said it
02:24:05 and we’re gonna
02:24:07 we can go look at the sermon now the
02:24:09 sermon now actually states without a
02:24:10 cause Yeshua actually New Testament does
02:24:12 call the Sadducees and Pharisees fools
02:24:15 but let’s see what it states in
02:24:19 um
02:24:20 the Psalms and Proverbs in Isaiah what a
02:24:23 fool is
02:24:25 speaking I mean like I suppose we can
02:24:29 call fool but here’s my favorite verse
02:24:32 on it okay because the other ones are
02:24:36 good but this is I mean we all have our
02:24:37 favorites right
02:24:38 ah this is beautiful Isaiah 32 6. in
02:24:43 fact this is why this is when I talk
02:24:45 about a fool in
02:24:47 um
02:24:49 The Hunchback of Notre Dame right this
02:24:51 is the one I’m mainly referencing is
02:24:54 this one right here because this this
02:24:55 one’s my favorite this one just covers
02:24:57 what the Jesuits are doing and that’s
02:24:59 why he’s called a fool because he
02:25:01 represents the Jesuits right anyways I
02:25:03 don’t know how much you guys have
02:25:04 watched that commentary but yeah we’re
02:25:06 still working on it yeah we actually we
02:25:09 actually started and we actually started
02:25:11 on the Grinch commentary again
02:25:14 uh with this curtain season that’s a
02:25:16 good one to do
02:25:18 um so so
02:25:22 um just so these two can
02:25:25 uh have that so I’ll get both
02:25:30 because I am kind of partial of the
02:25:32 stuff that I write
02:25:34 of course who isn’t right these ones
02:25:37 aren’t written these ones are uh
02:25:39 stated
02:25:41 yeah first I love that one for a full
02:25:44 speaks foolishness
02:25:49 um oh
02:25:51 anyway so we can read them all but I
02:25:54 want to read my favorite one first and
02:25:56 then I’ll I’ll let Ben write his
02:25:58 favorite and then we can go do the rest
02:25:59 Isaiah 32 6 for a spool thinks speaks
02:26:03 foolishness his mind plots iniquity he
02:26:07 practices ungodliness and speaks falsely
02:26:10 about Yahweh
02:26:12 he leaves the hungry empty and deprives
02:26:15 the Thirsty of drink
02:26:18 that is a wonderful description of Fools
02:26:21 and that applies to tons of people today
02:26:25 who are claiming wisdom sorry now that
02:26:28 is that’s my that’s my favorite
02:26:29 description of polls but I like this one
02:26:32 too Proverbs 14 9. fools make a market
02:26:36 sin but among the righteous there is
02:26:38 favor yeah
02:26:39 [Music]
02:26:39 um
02:26:41 in the way they Market is say what you
02:26:43 call sin is not sin right
02:26:46 now that’s how you Market it
02:26:48 the wisdom of the fruit sorry go ahead
02:26:51 just because the law says it’s sin
02:26:53 doesn’t mean it’s sin yeah that’s that’s
02:26:55 mocking that’s mocking sin
02:26:57 I really don’t like the term law could
02:27:00 we could we use something else like uh
02:27:04 Commandments or or something else it’s
02:27:07 just
02:27:09 has been soured for me over the years
02:27:11 because the Church of Jesus Christ of
02:27:13 Latter-day Saints has always taught it
02:27:16 like it’s the law shut up fool who do I
02:27:20 sound like
02:27:22 uh I could name a lot of people but I’m
02:27:24 not gonna call them out by name but yeah
02:27:26 but all I’m gonna say is shut up
02:27:30 yeah the wisdom of The Prudent is to
02:27:33 understand his way but the Folly of foes
02:27:36 is deceit
02:27:38 yeah
02:27:39 um
02:27:40 how long ye simple ones will you loves
02:27:44 Simplicity and this Corner’s Delight in
02:27:47 their scorning and the Fool’s hate
02:27:49 knowledge
02:27:50 the heat they hate it because it it
02:27:52 exposes who they are and actually
02:27:55 um Hosea brings out how knowledge this
02:27:57 actually points to Torah but anyways the
02:28:00 other interesting thing is is that
02:28:03 whenever you speak from a place of
02:28:05 knowledge
02:28:07 the people who hate the truth
02:28:10 will always come out and say
02:28:13 that you are arguing in bad faith
02:28:18 yeah and that makes no sense to me
02:28:20 because quoting scriptures which they
02:28:23 claim to believe in
02:28:24 is bad faith I what is good faith then
02:28:28 letting people just believe what they
02:28:30 want and be okay with it no exactly what
02:28:33 they want to hear
02:28:34 uh yeah is it I always get these
02:28:36 chapters that’s either helium in 5 or 13
02:28:39 you know yeah I I think it’s is it five
02:28:44 or five is the one with all the people
02:28:46 getting the baptism of fire okay so this
02:28:49 it’s it’s 13 then oh yeah that’s right
02:28:51 because I have a post on that one
02:28:54 anyways
02:28:56 um this is the presence of a foolish man
02:28:58 go from the presence of a foolish man
02:29:00 without perceives not an envelops of
02:29:02 knowledge yeah so Ben
02:29:05 foreign leave those foolish people
02:29:08 behind
02:29:11 yeah
02:29:12 anyways okay oh that’s enough on that
02:29:15 one you know what I’m talking about yep
02:29:19 uh Psalms 14 the full has set in his
02:29:22 heart there is no Elohim they are
02:29:24 corrupt they have done abominable works
02:29:27 there is none that doeth good anyways
02:29:32 um so
02:29:34 Sermon on the Mount
02:29:37 oops no uh that one there we go
02:29:42 uh
02:29:50 I don’t know which chat oops
02:30:04 [Music]
02:30:07 all right I’m gonna just have it without
02:30:09 the cause so it must be oh who is so
02:30:12 ever is angry with okay it’s right here
02:30:14 in verse starting in verse 21. you’ve
02:30:16 heard the set of by them of old time
02:30:19 Thou shalt not kill and whosoever shall
02:30:20 kills shall be in danger of the Judgment
02:30:22 but I say unto you that whosoever is
02:30:25 angry with his brother without a cause
02:30:27 Okay shall be in danger of the judgment
02:30:30 and whosoever shall say unto his brother
02:30:31 raqqa
02:30:33 you shall be in danger of the council
02:30:35 but whosoever shall say thou fool shall
02:30:39 be in danger of Hellfire so without the
02:30:41 cause now this
02:30:44 reverse I don’t have memorized so we’re
02:30:47 gonna go
02:30:48 use the wonderful search of Internet
02:30:58 I think is like
02:31:01 a much more damning term of fool I think
02:31:06 at least that’s what I’ve been
02:31:09 yeah
02:31:11 um
02:31:12 [Music]
02:31:15 oh Paul I forgot about Paul
02:31:17 [Music]
02:31:19 um
02:31:24 you fools there you go 7 40. so there
02:31:28 must be more going on so my point of
02:31:31 bringing this out
02:31:33 is that
02:31:34 it’s not just the anger that has the
02:31:38 Without a Cause
02:31:39 it’s the thou full one here and here’s
02:31:42 Yeshua doing it Luke 11 Romans 2 12 or
02:31:46 20 is going to be Paul
02:31:49 Corinthians 15. 36. yeah I didn’t know
02:31:53 that one
02:31:54 um but anyways I knew the principle
02:31:57 [Music]
02:31:58 uh
02:32:01 First Corinthians 15 second Corinthians
02:32:03 12 you have been a fool
02:32:07 first Peter oh you know Peter did it uh
02:32:10 put to science the ignorance of foolish
02:32:12 people he’s calling people foolish
02:32:15 Luke 24 oh foolish ones
02:32:18 um
02:32:19 oh that’s an inch apparently that was an
02:32:21 angel
02:32:23 yeah
02:32:24 um
02:32:25 oh boy that angels in danger of the
02:32:28 danger of Hellfire yeah but if you
02:32:32 forget Without a Cause there you go I
02:32:36 this is the thing people just
02:32:38 take it take parts of it well this is
02:32:42 the thing is when Jesus says it he’s
02:32:45 talking about how people are acting
02:32:48 rashly without thought yeah and they’re
02:32:52 not really applying the scriptures which
02:32:54 as we read about what a fool is right
02:33:00 um or they’re they’re not just not just
02:33:03 applying the scriptures they’re actually
02:33:05 doing things to contradict it on purpose
02:33:07 right yeah which I I believe the such a
02:33:11 season Pharisees were doing to be honest
02:33:12 but anyways that’s a whole other subject
02:33:14 but look at here
02:33:16 uh Romans 1 14 Galatians 3 1 Galatians 3
02:33:20 3 Titus 3 3
02:33:22 uh that’s the one red
02:33:26 galatian or Genesis 1 26 oh I didn’t
02:33:29 know that one
02:33:32 [Music]
02:33:32 um
02:33:34 that’s
02:33:35 Revelation 6-1 calling raqqa so that’s
02:33:39 going to be I mean that’s even worse
02:33:42 anyways so but it’s without the Cause
02:33:44 right that’s the main thing damning
02:33:47 phrase you know what I mean like there’s
02:33:49 no hope for you well it’s denying the
02:33:54 it’s denying
02:33:56 it’s denied no it’s denying the um
02:34:01 it’s
02:34:02 it’s
02:34:03 denying the it’s denying God’s creative
02:34:06 hand in you oh good point I mean you
02:34:10 know I I just want
02:34:19 let’s I haven’t done this on this word
02:34:22 and since we’re talking about I’m I’m
02:34:24 curious
02:34:25 what does this say
02:34:27 one who is destitute of reason
02:34:30 okay yeah no who are the common powers
02:34:34 of it I’ll understand
02:34:36 an idiot yeah
02:34:40 so I guess it was okay that I said idiot
02:34:42 but I think it’s more scriptural than
02:34:44 say full but anyways deficient intellect
02:34:47 but not an idiot or a person who acts
02:34:49 absurdly okay oh yeah that’s true so I
02:34:52 anyways but here’s it is
02:34:56 the scripture fool is often used for a
02:34:58 wicked or depraved person one who acts
02:35:01 contrary to sound wisdom in his moral
02:35:03 deportment one who follows his own
02:35:05 inclinations he prefers trifling with
02:35:07 temporary Pleasures to the service of
02:35:09 God Eternal yeah so as you know we went
02:35:12 over that but
02:35:13 a weak Christian uh
02:35:16 I I can see where they’re getting that
02:35:18 right
02:35:21 um but
02:35:22 to me that just means you’re not really
02:35:25 a Believer because in the Hebrew context
02:35:28 a belief causes action and if you don’t
02:35:31 aren’t acting you don’t really believe
02:35:33 it’s the Greek idea that there’s a
02:35:38 difference between belief and actions it
02:35:41 that’s Greek
02:35:43 that’s not Hebrew and the scriptures are
02:35:45 Hebrew so I I see where they’re getting
02:35:47 that but it’s just wrong
02:35:50 foreign
02:35:52 [Music]
02:35:53 the term of Indonesia yeah
02:35:57 one who counterfeits Folly a buffoon
02:36:00 yeah I I base a one kind of goes along
02:36:03 with that right
02:36:06 to play the fool to just mix yeah which
02:36:10 goes a lot along with the um
02:36:14 Hunchback I think it’s you know because
02:36:17 uh the the the day the festival that’s
02:36:20 highlighted there is the day of fools
02:36:22 all right
02:36:24 anyways very true very true to act like
02:36:26 one void of understanding
02:36:30 I don’t know if act flight is just one
02:36:34 without understanding because I I I I
02:36:37 guess if you act like it but anyways
02:36:40 well once again it’s uh
02:36:43 the actions and the actions define our
02:36:46 state don’t they yeah yeah I can go with
02:36:49 that
02:36:50 so the uh to treat with contempt
02:36:55 disappointment to defeat frustrate
02:36:58 to see what yeah that kind of goes with
02:37:01 the versus reread
02:37:03 some more than others right I mean the
02:37:06 big thing is disappointing of Yahweh
02:37:10 um try to frustrate yahweh’s ways to
02:37:13 deceive other people
02:37:15 to impose on their Wicked Ways treat
02:37:19 righteousness with contempt
02:37:21 yeah the infatuate yeah I mean that’s
02:37:26 just using your words like lawyers right
02:37:28 to cheat
02:37:30 this isn’t a full one out of his money
02:37:36 I
02:37:38 I don’t understand that one but I can
02:37:40 kind of see it right because cheating is
02:37:42 you know purposely breaking the law so I
02:37:44 can kind of see that one I mean it’s
02:37:46 kind of like when
02:37:48 it’s kind of like when I want you to
02:37:51 when somebody wants you to do something
02:37:54 and they lie to get you to do it they
02:37:56 fooled you
02:37:57 yeah yeah I I I guess I can see that now
02:38:01 um
02:38:02 four-way idleness
02:38:07 oh
02:38:09 I don’t get understanding without
02:38:11 Advantage right now
02:38:16 suspend for things of no value without
02:38:19 Advantage is to spend your time in doing
02:38:21 things which are not to your advantage
02:38:23 well right right but I just oh okay I I
02:38:27 can see that with the pool now because
02:38:29 they’re they’re doing things that are
02:38:30 going to hurt them okay yeah that
02:38:32 undermine yeah yeah I I can see that now
02:38:36 uh
02:38:38 dependent value of no use yeah I can see
02:38:41 that like it kind of goes with that one
02:38:43 just above and
02:38:46 expect
02:38:47 in
02:38:51 I don’t know that word
02:38:56 which word to expand in Providence Place
02:39:04 what is it Matt you’re laughing now if
02:39:09 you
02:39:11 if it is Providence
02:39:16 uh
02:39:18 so not applying what you know to to
02:39:21 seeing the patterns happening okay yes
02:39:24 so it’s the Opposites yeah yeah
02:39:27 Providence
02:39:30 yeah I can see that because
02:39:32 it’s being childish right kids thinking
02:39:37 and how they deal with each other or
02:39:41 a child’s way of think of dealing with
02:39:43 money yeah yeah yeah and spend for
02:39:47 things of no value or use or two
02:39:51 like
02:39:52 say
02:39:54 all those people to spend lots of money
02:39:57 on computer games
02:39:58 yeah so here’s one I would have never
02:40:00 guessed a liquid apparently a fool is a
02:40:03 liquid made of gooseberries
02:40:07 I would have never known that anyways
02:40:10 that one doesn’t apply but
02:40:12 anyway I don’t think that applies to
02:40:14 anything in the scriptures right not
02:40:16 that I know of so I I yeah that one’s I
02:40:20 don’t know where that one’s coming from
02:40:21 but anyways I’m not worried about it he
02:40:24 tread The Wine Press alone
02:40:27 no that’s not gooseberries this is the
02:40:30 1828 Webster’s Dictionary there were
02:40:33 drinks that were available in 1828 that
02:40:36 we have no clue what they’re talking
02:40:38 about yeah and it’s a drink that is a
02:40:42 liquid drink well so Matt’s bringing up
02:40:45 a liquid drink but what I’m saying this
02:40:48 is referring to gooseberries not wine I
02:40:52 I was yeah
02:40:54 I was bringing up a silly reference to
02:40:59 the idea
02:41:00 of a liquid beverage well I think that
02:41:05 the important thing to realize this is
02:41:07 the dictionary
02:41:09 this is not the scriptures sure sure I
02:41:12 mean if we want to go a step more
02:41:16 right because I mean that’s the English
02:41:19 part let’s go look at the underlying
02:41:22 Hebrew
02:41:24 um I I say we start with Isaiah yes
02:41:34 because that’s the English but we need
02:41:36 Isaiah is going to be the Hebrew and
02:41:38 that’s actually the more important one
02:41:40 right so
02:41:43 but it’s good to do both
02:41:45 yes
02:41:49 so
02:41:51 let’s go look at full
02:41:54 EST senseless huh I can go
02:41:59 basically yeah
02:42:01 yeah senseless
02:42:07 it’s really not very complimentary at
02:42:10 all no
02:42:12 um
02:42:14 [Music]
02:42:17 no perception of ethical and religious
02:42:20 claims that would make sense right
02:42:25 big Noble disgraceful
02:42:27 yeah
02:42:28 you’re a disgrace yes you are
02:42:40 that’s a tongue twister
02:42:44 uh blaspheming
02:42:47 last name in the name of God even
02:42:51 elsewhere as substantive
02:42:54 [Music]
02:42:57 characterized as once as it once
02:43:00 irreligious and churlish
02:43:02 Isaiah 32 6 what is churtless
02:43:06 rude okay yes
02:43:09 that would make sense yep
02:43:12 um insulting God and God’s servant
02:43:16 yeah Alex arrogant speech
02:43:23 well
02:43:24 I think the dictionary actually in this
02:43:26 case did pretty well I mean it’s that
02:43:28 last definition is kind of out of
02:43:31 nowhere though
02:43:34 acting in moral disgraceful
02:43:39 uh job’s life
02:43:47 let’s see some of the verses it drinks
02:43:52 unwise yeah
02:43:54 in fact um
02:43:56 just FYI Kesley I don’t know in this
02:43:58 case but a lot of cases but the word
02:44:00 behind and can be translated and
02:44:04 or or
02:44:10 um but anyways
02:44:13 uh provoke with anger yeah
02:44:19 we’d have to look at contacts
02:44:25 uh that one needs context
02:44:28 fullest woman oh yeah so that’s gonna
02:44:30 you know how uh men and women have their
02:44:34 unique problems
02:44:36 uh women in general are more prone to
02:44:39 gossip
02:44:40 which is a Polish breaking the law but
02:44:43 anyways
02:44:44 [Music]
02:44:46 uh that one we do I think we need
02:44:48 contacts
02:44:53 well I think most I think most verses
02:45:00 work better in context uh sure sure well
02:45:03 some of it
02:45:05 what they have there is easier to get
02:45:07 that than others right but anyways yeah
02:45:11 um
02:45:12 well Kesley was that um do you have
02:45:15 questions about Mormon eight after that
02:45:17 or it might be good for you to go read
02:45:19 on your own with some of that stuff in
02:45:21 mind or it’s late enough I’d rather not
02:45:24 go read the whole chapter but I’m I’m
02:45:25 willing to if you really wanted to
02:45:32 you’re muted if you’re trying to say
02:45:34 something
02:45:37 yeah sorry I was muted
02:45:40 um but yeah no I can read it on my own
02:45:42 it’s um
02:45:43 now that I’ve had that explanation of it
02:45:46 I know I’ll be able to understand it
02:45:48 better
02:45:49 I think so
02:45:51 um
02:45:53 there’s just one thing that I would
02:45:56 always say
02:45:58 that if an interpretation that you’re
02:46:01 receiving
02:46:03 seems uh that somebody’s giving to you
02:46:06 seems outside
02:46:10 um it requires and it requires a certain
02:46:14 amount of mysticism to believe
02:46:17 you need to be wary of that
02:46:20 interpretation of scripture yeah people
02:46:23 applying mysticism to Mormon eight
02:46:26 there’s people who apply mysticism to
02:46:28 practically every scripture okay I agree
02:46:31 with that but I’m just wondering if
02:46:32 you’re saying that because you know of
02:46:34 something specifically
02:46:36 this is just a general warning when
02:46:38 people make the scriptures too mystical
02:46:40 so that you have to go to them to
02:46:42 understand beware of their
02:46:44 interpretations well and beware of them
02:46:47 yes
02:46:49 awesome so beware of both
02:46:52 yeah
02:46:54 um in fact
02:46:55 um this is the matter is God wants his
02:46:57 children to understand the scriptures
02:46:59 yeah
02:47:02 maybe second Nephi 29
02:47:06 and I’m not completely sure on this but
02:47:08 there’s other places in the scriptures
02:47:09 if not there it talks about how
02:47:12 Yahweh States sings plainly unto his
02:47:15 people now there’s an obvious meaning in
02:47:18 that and then there’s a deeper meaning
02:47:20 to that too which if you go read my all
02:47:22 things you should do post so it’ll get
02:47:25 into the deeper meaning of playing or we
02:47:28 can go over it right now if you wanted
02:47:30 but
02:47:31 um I’m happy with whatever but it’s
02:47:33 probably getting
02:47:35 we should probably start
02:47:38 uh getting ready to
02:47:40 finish things up
02:47:42 yeah
02:47:43 yeah we can do that I can I can go read
02:47:45 a bunch of stuff on my own before next
02:47:46 week so
02:47:48 yeah I I think yeah so that’s that’s the
02:47:51 thing is that
02:47:54 the Lord is against
02:47:57 it is against Torah
02:48:00 to take the Council of Mystics
02:48:02 yeah it is
02:48:04 um and to do things like Mystics
02:48:07 yeah
02:48:09 so if in fact since we just talked about
02:48:12 uh the Hunchback of Notre Dame even palm
02:48:16 readings
02:48:17 that he was
02:48:19 um I don’t know if you got does that
02:48:20 point in the commentary of yes
02:48:25 um
02:48:26 so you you probably haven’t seen it
02:48:29 casually but so hands is a symbolic way
02:48:34 of defining you know talking about our
02:48:37 works and and works to fine us and
02:48:39 here’s these Palm readers looking at the
02:48:42 hands which symbolize our our works and
02:48:45 our doings to to help people know who
02:48:47 they are but instead of looking at the
02:48:49 works or looking at the little lines in
02:48:52 the hands so they’re they’re actually
02:48:54 has some
02:48:57 they’re twisting the truth and that’s
02:49:00 what I was trying to bring out in that
02:49:01 commentary when she when
02:49:04 oh no I forgetting your name already I’m
02:49:07 not too worried about it yeah when Elsa
02:49:10 morelda looks at um
02:49:12 the hunchback’s hand she’s they’re
02:49:15 taking a truth and and twisting it
02:49:18 uh-huh
02:49:20 because our hands represents our works
02:49:22 which then defines us right yeah yeah
02:49:25 yeah and I missed the part last week
02:49:27 where you guys talked about but I read
02:49:28 it today when where you sent me the
02:49:30 video about that you talked about
02:49:32 meditation how you’re supposed to
02:49:34 meditate on the law and not just
02:49:36 open-minded meditation that was yeah
02:49:40 it’s clearing your mind clear your mind
02:49:44 yeah that’s what I meant I mean that’s
02:49:45 the Eastern one and when you clear your
02:49:47 mind you you it’s not yahweh’s
02:49:51 instructions
02:49:52 is not there to guard you against the
02:49:56 doctrine of demons they basically you
02:49:59 basically swept your house and left it
02:50:01 clean to and invited the demons in okay
02:50:05 um
02:50:06 yeah
02:50:07 so I I was in the new age a little bit
02:50:10 um when I first started waking up so I
02:50:13 like I said I I went
02:50:15 into some strange past some
02:50:19 um but there’s a lot of aspects of
02:50:22 Eastern meditation
02:50:24 is literally meant to wake up your mind
02:50:27 to Satan literally
02:50:29 okay
02:50:31 um and we could get into it if you
02:50:32 really wanted to but I’d rather not but
02:50:35 if you need it I will
02:50:37 no we don’t have to and that’s okay
02:50:39 I just thought that was really
02:50:40 interesting because
02:50:42 I had
02:50:43 like you I kind of went into some other
02:50:46 stuff too it’s like the minute that you
02:50:48 realize that what you’d been taught all
02:50:50 your life is kind of a lie
02:50:53 then you start questioning everything
02:50:56 well it’s like Ben and I have both said
02:51:00 um Pagan Christianity
02:51:04 the Christian churches including
02:51:06 um the ones we grew up in LDS premium
02:51:09 Church
02:51:12 has allowed in New Age and actually
02:51:15 teaches New Age so when you
02:51:18 when I first started waking up and
02:51:20 thought there was some credibility a new
02:51:23 age it was
02:51:24 easy to cross over that to a little bit
02:51:26 because when I started looking into this
02:51:29 stuff the church was teaching it yeah I
02:51:32 I have a post on one in specific on that
02:51:36 that I know I say that but
02:51:39 this is
02:51:40 uh
02:51:46 this post is a a good one to look at on
02:51:49 that a testimony and blessings
02:51:51 um I in fact even bring out how they you
02:51:55 know the all these Church says you know
02:51:58 pretend you have a testimony until you
02:52:00 have it that’s a new age occult teaching
02:52:02 and I bring that out in that post
02:52:04 okay uh yeah directly from the occult
02:52:08 new age is just soft to cold sorry Ben
02:52:11 yeah go ahead find that in any self you
02:52:14 can find that principle in any self-help
02:52:16 book yeah self-help is just new age
02:52:22 okay
02:52:25 yeah
02:52:27 yeah so new age it’s the same thing all
02:52:30 stuff to make you think that you can do
02:52:31 it all yourself and you don’t need your
02:52:33 way or yes sure yeah self-help instead
02:52:36 of Yahweh help
02:52:38 because we can’t do it we’re
02:52:40 we’re in the mire
02:52:42 you can’t get yourself out of the mire
02:52:45 yeah do you need someone
02:52:48 to put out the St his stick to bring you
02:52:51 back and I’m using that imagery on
02:52:54 purpose stick has to do with authority
02:52:56 the staff that Moses has has to do with
02:52:59 yahweh’s authority we need his authority
02:53:01 to get out of the mire
02:53:03 okay
02:53:06 yep that makes a lot of sense
02:53:10 so
02:53:11 okay
02:53:13 I have a lot of things to to read and
02:53:16 study this week so that’ll be good
02:53:18 oh we all do
02:53:20 I’m doing it too just in different areas
02:53:23 yeah yeah we all have a lot of growing
02:53:26 to do
02:53:27 sure and we’re to help each other do it
02:53:30 yeah okay well I do I appreciate it a
02:53:33 lot sure uh one of my favorite quotes
02:53:35 from Joseph Smith that I actually
02:53:37 believe is authentic as Joseph said take
02:53:40 other people by the hand and bring them
02:53:41 to heaven with you that’s not the exact
02:53:44 quote but that’s the essence of it right
02:53:45 yeah okay
02:53:47 and even that has a lot of symbols
02:53:49 images but I’ll I I I I like symbolism I
02:53:54 I find
02:53:55 in the more and more I say the more and
02:53:57 more I find deep meaning and purpose
02:54:01 behind it anyway yeah I love uh yeah
02:54:05 symbols are beautiful
02:54:08 and they used appropriately because
02:54:10 other side uses it in appropriately well
02:54:12 the whole thing is symbols are beautiful
02:54:14 but they can also be deadly
02:54:16 yeah
02:54:18 but just like fire I mean a lot of
02:54:20 symbols have uh are double edged so
02:54:25 um because the fire is judgment and are
02:54:29 you judged to hell or he
02:54:32 judged to Heaven
02:54:34 um refined with fire that’s where you’re
02:54:37 gonna live in fire but even that I mean
02:54:40 that’s always presence is Everlasting
02:54:44 Everlasting Everlasting burnings so
02:54:46 anyways that’s one of the reasons why I
02:54:49 always say you choose your fight yeah
02:54:52 fire fire or bad fire
02:54:54 [Laughter]
02:54:58 okay all right good night guys all right
02:55:01 take care guys
02:55:02 okay
02:55:03 thank you you’re all right bye