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Summary:

00:00:22 We are talking about the pictures not those who share them or using them because we don’t know if they understand them.
00:03:15 The gospel of Yeshua is about becoming not having a secret knowledge.
00:04:20 Learning for the sake of learning is more condemning us that saving us.
00:05:40 Wishing upon a falling star is wishing upon Satan.
00:07:37 The bull in china shop is breaking the covenant bonds we have with YHWH. The sacrament is part of renewing or covenant with YHWH to keep all His commandments.
00:11:44 Talked about the Red Heffer some, and how I believe it points to Yeshua bleeding in the garden.
00:13:46 Back to the bull and the china shop. The Bull is connected to Sun worship.
00:17:37 Yeshua resurrected in the night not the morning.
00:18:25 Talking about the goat a little.
00:21:41 Talk about the cat in the basement meme.
00:32:20 Showing what is in The Lost Doctrine Logo.
00:44:20 We should worry about YHWH’s judgement more than anyone elses.
00:45:30 The point is not to vilify anyone but to warn.
00:49:45 When I first woke up to the problems in the church I went into New Age some. New Age is soft Occult. I used to do Yoga, until I found out the posses are imitating positions of false gods.
00:53:33 Theater is full of people following Satan. Actors admit they are possed by demons. The Oscar award is patterned after an Egyptian god. Most movies are Gnostic.
01:00:03 Lord of the Rings is Gnostic.
01:03:15 Saruman the White is the Gentiles.
01:04:06 In the Gnostic view of things good is evil, and evil is good.
01:04:34 Sauron is Elohim the Father.
01:04:44 Smeagol is the Son.
01:05:00 The Ring is the law.
01:05:41 In the Gonstic world, evil is good and good is evil, see Moroni 7.
01:06:30 Smeagol is the Son, majestic plural.
01:07:30 Not sure what Frodo represents yet.
01:12:40 Bilbo is an ancient father, and had the ring for 60 years or 120 * Jubilees = 6,000 years.
01:14:25 Ringwraiths are the prophets or angels.
01:14:57 Luciferians believe that the law binds us.
01:16:43 More details how Saruman is the Gentiles.
01:17:31 7 Drawfs are the 7 of the 10 kingdoms from Revelation.
01:18:26 The Roman Eagle is what saves Gandalof.
01:18:50 Gandalof is the system of the Beast.
01:24:53 Discussing the writing on the One Ring.
01:36:00 Three Elven leaders is the Trion pagan false gods.
01:40:18 7 Drawfs are the 7 of the 10 kingdoms.
01:41:10 9 deals with Satan and fallen men.
01:42:15 The Dark Lord is the Father.
01:43:09 Land of Mordor is Heaven.
01:44:14 Treebeard could be representing Kabbalah.
01:46:45 The firey pit represents where the trees / humans are being burned is hell.
01:48:03 Most symbols have good and bad applications. In the Garden of Eden there was the Tree of Life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
01:53:01 Trees can symbolize humans.
02:05:17 Babbit vs The Hobbit.
02:12:04 What type of knowledge saves us.
02:36:50 King Theoden is the Protestants.
02:39:25 Wormtongue is the Prophets.
02:40:18 Talking about Lord of the Rings.
02:42:30 Aragorn is Satan.
02:43:35 Boromir is Constantine.
02:47:30 We need to test out these ideas.
02:48:28 Holy Spirit of promise is sanctification. Yeshua can not always abide with us but the Torah can.
02:59:23 We receive our glorified bodies after the resurrection.
03:02:30 Three types of people during the Millenium.
03:03:47 Earth receiving paradisiacal glory.
03:07:40 Book of Mormon teaches Modalism.
03:12:30 Testing The Books of the Natsarim.
03:18:03 Discussing a false idea that the Lunar Sabbath is done away.
03:27:30 Not knowing Torah will get you deceived and always learning and never coming to the truth.
03:28:40 Yeshua had to fully mortal.
03:30:10 The wicked hate the Torah.
03:31:12 Most church mingle New Age with their teachings.
03:32:26 Knowing YHWH’s ways you will be able to discern false teachings without knowing all the details.
03:33:04 Ben believes in the Messiah and His atonement.
03:35:17 Book of Mormon teaches something different about repentance than the LDS church.
03:37:09 Ben will preach the truth.
03:37:38 YHWH will show us our weakness.
03:38:20 When we repent our pains are turned into joy.
03:40:10 The wicked will mock.
03:41:53 The atonement is real. When we are YHWH’s servants He is obligated to take care of us when we do our part.
03:45:20 There is a difference between the baptism of fire and baptism of the Holy Spirit.
03:47:04 There is no higher law than what Yeshua lived.
03:48:00 Faithful followers of Yeshua help others to the truth.
03:51:15 The idea that you can raise yourself or others from the dead comes from the Occult.
03:54:23 We can keep the Torah perfectly going forward.
03:56:00 Talking about two aspects of The Lost Doctrine logo that denies the Messiah.
03:56:45 We all need the Messiah.
03:59:22 If we follow a prophet we will receive the lowest glory.
04:02:25 We need to be careful with signs and make sure that they are not omens.

Links:

• Law of Moses is done away with
• Inclusive Time
• Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
• Joseph Smith’s Murder
• New Age
• Little Light Studios
• The Grinch
• Actors Channeling Spirits 2: Entertained by Demons?
• Gnostic
• Snow White
• Pagan Holidays
• Kabbalah
• Tree of Life Follow Him
• All Things You Should Do
• High Holidays
• Polar Configuration
• Second Coming proves Stoning is still valid
• Bishops are JUDGEs of Israel
• Lectures on Faith 2: The Object of Faith
• Lectures on Faith 5: The Godhead

Transcript:

00:00:02 okay so this week Ben and I have
00:00:05 something that we want to start with but
00:00:08 before we do the actual one I want to
00:00:10 talk about a few other examples first
00:00:12 and so one example that I like and how
00:00:17 um
00:00:18 voltage go ahead I think it’s important
00:00:21 before we go into these and before we go
00:00:25 into explaining the symbology that is in
00:00:28 these designs I think it’s important
00:00:30 that
00:00:32 um
00:00:33 we come from the that we come from the
00:00:36 perspective that we are not saying that
00:00:38 anybody is evil or having a design like
00:00:41 this or for having a picture like this
00:00:44 no I I think I think a lot of people who
00:00:47 share these things
00:00:49 don’t understand them
00:00:51 I do think some do but I don’t know who
00:00:53 they are but I but I think the majority
00:00:56 of people who like these pitchers
00:01:00 um
00:01:01 and use them as logos or you know share
00:01:03 them on their wall or whatnot they don’t
00:01:05 know what’s in them and so been a nice
00:01:08 purpose here is just to help show what’s
00:01:10 there I think a lot of it is because
00:01:13 it’s in the mainstream culture
00:01:16 and sometimes we grow attached to
00:01:19 mainstream culture now with that along
00:01:22 those lines I will say even though I
00:01:25 know a lot of the mainstream movies are
00:01:27 Gnostic and I see it through all of them
00:01:30 and I’ve done a few common commentaries
00:01:32 on some I could do Lots on others but on
00:01:35 all of them I I don’t think about them
00:01:38 to the point where I can do scene by
00:01:39 scene like I’ve done other ones okay
00:01:41 where the ones I have done myself
00:01:44 um I go scene by scene
00:01:47 but along with this point though
00:01:50 these movies from Hollywood that are
00:01:52 gnostic
00:01:53 they’re more entertaining than the
00:01:56 so-called Christian shows that don’t
00:01:59 have a lot of thought into it so even
00:02:01 more I’m calling these out some I I I’m
00:02:03 calling myself out a little bit here
00:02:05 that I
00:02:09 the the Gnostic movies are more
00:02:12 entertaining than believing
00:02:15 or movies that are done by Believers in
00:02:18 one respect or another right
00:02:19 more thought into it which I think is a
00:02:23 kind of a sad State of Affairs yes it is
00:02:25 and so I
00:02:28 I’m calling myself out because I’ll
00:02:30 still watch some of these things
00:02:32 um some of it is to see what’s going on
00:02:34 what their plans are because they are
00:02:36 they do to some extent put their plans
00:02:38 in these things
00:02:40 um so anyways so you’re saying that
00:02:44 gnostics aren’t believers
00:02:46 well it’s what they believe in they
00:02:48 believe in Satan Gnostic in general is
00:02:52 an anti-gospel so they make God the bad
00:02:55 guy and Satan the good guy
00:02:58 in general
00:02:59 but not always Gnostic has two common
00:03:03 uh means to it or meanings to it that is
00:03:06 one of them the other one is knowledge
00:03:08 that they they think they can be saved
00:03:10 by knowledge but most the time these two
00:03:13 overlap Joseph taught that
00:03:16 uh okay so we could go look at that
00:03:18 quote I’d rather Sidetrack on that after
00:03:21 we do these images but what knowledge
00:03:23 was Joseph talking about
00:03:25 well yeah that’s the point is what
00:03:27 knowledge right and I think it was the
00:03:30 calling election made sure is the
00:03:32 knowledge that he was talking about and
00:03:34 I believe we can show that but
00:03:37 um I don’t want to Sidetrack on that too
00:03:39 much right now we can do that after we
00:03:40 look at the images so we could just make
00:03:42 a note and we’ll go back to that
00:03:44 um
00:03:45 but gnosticism in general is that you’re
00:03:48 saved by the secret knowledge and
00:03:50 generally speaking the secret knowledge
00:03:52 is that God is evil and Satan is good
00:03:54 well the the other the other the other
00:03:57 downfall
00:03:59 of um
00:04:01 knowledge saves us
00:04:04 but only in what it helps us become
00:04:07 right because if we’re just picking up
00:04:10 knowledge and not ever becoming anything
00:04:13 other than what we are
00:04:15 is our knowledge really our knowledge
00:04:18 well actually we’re taking possession of
00:04:20 it if we’re just learning for the sake
00:04:22 of learning and we’re actually learning
00:04:24 the truth it’ll condemn us more than it
00:04:26 will save us because if the the gospel
00:04:29 of the Messiah is about becoming like
00:04:32 him and not just knowing
00:04:35 um
00:04:36 so I mean that’s the whole thing about
00:04:38 sanctification right is
00:04:42 keeping the law which is becoming
00:04:45 because a lot of teaches us how to be
00:04:47 like the Messiah
00:04:48 the gospel is the gospel of becoming
00:04:53 not Greek just knowing about it and yeah
00:04:58 you have to know about it in order to
00:05:00 become it
00:05:01 correct
00:05:03 um but
00:05:05 knowledge especially even just in the
00:05:07 biblical language is in going a little
00:05:10 bit on the Joe Smith statement a little
00:05:12 bit it’s a an intimate relationship
00:05:14 right is one way that you could
00:05:17 interpret that statement from Joseph
00:05:19 Smith
00:05:20 so and and that’s a good part of being
00:05:24 saved because if you reject the Messiah
00:05:26 you’re not going to be saved you have to
00:05:27 have a relationship with them but
00:05:28 anyways so the first thing with those
00:05:32 little disclaimers and I’ll probably
00:05:34 we’ll do a little more disclaimer when
00:05:35 we get the actual logo but
00:05:38 um
00:05:39 Wishing Upon a falling star
00:05:43 is the first thing that I kind of want
00:05:45 to bring out
00:05:46 now there’s a song on that right
00:05:48 everybody thinks
00:05:50 safe and okay to do
00:05:54 um I I don’t know the whole song by
00:05:55 heart we could go look it up if you guys
00:05:57 want but part of it is Wishing Upon a
00:06:01 falling star now first of all
00:06:04 this is the Fallen star from heaven
00:06:07 it’s Satan
00:06:10 and then on top of that Satan is the one
00:06:13 that grants whatever wish that you want
00:06:15 if he thinks he can use you for his
00:06:17 purposes versus Yahweh we are not just
00:06:21 to pray with anything and everything
00:06:22 that we want
00:06:24 we are to pray for the promises that
00:06:26 he’s given us that are in the scriptures
00:06:28 through his servants
00:06:31 we can’t just go pray for a million
00:06:32 dollars
00:06:34 from Yahweh the one that who will grant
00:06:36 that wish is Satan
00:06:39 um no no
00:06:42 did you want to say something Matt
00:06:45 no it wasn’t me oh that was my son oh
00:06:49 okay sorry
00:06:50 um
00:06:51 so there’s just this this innocent
00:06:54 little song that I think I’ve probably
00:06:57 even sung myself maybe even to my kids
00:06:59 right
00:07:01 um Wishing Upon a falling star that’s
00:07:03 Wishing Upon Satan
00:07:07 and that that seems pretty innocent and
00:07:09 that’s I think that’s in all cultures
00:07:11 it’s here in Argentina where I’m at
00:07:13 right now it’s not just in the states
00:07:16 um and so these these little sayings are
00:07:20 prevalent all over the place
00:07:23 it’s part of our everyday life
00:07:26 yeah so we and so we become a nerd
00:07:30 to the ideas that are put forward
00:07:33 as they
00:07:36 yeah it’s just Satan has deceived the
00:07:39 whole world
00:07:40 and that’s true in so many ways
00:07:43 um so here’s one picture I think that’s
00:07:46 interesting and more with the the bowl
00:07:48 and the china shop okay that’s a cult it
00:07:52 also or or Gnostic and so and let me
00:07:57 explain why
00:07:58 so in the Hebrew culture part of
00:08:01 Covenant making is having a meal
00:08:05 which is part of the reason sacrament
00:08:09 is a covenant it’s a renewal
00:08:12 of a covenant right when you go look at
00:08:16 um what’s being stated there it’s a
00:08:18 witness that we renewed a covenant and
00:08:19 then we have a meal with it in the
00:08:22 Hebrew traditions
00:08:24 and throughout the scriptures there’s a
00:08:26 mill associated with a covenant okay
00:08:29 so here’s this bull
00:08:32 and a role is and the bull is actually a
00:08:35 symbol of Sky Gods across the Pagan
00:08:38 Spectrum yes
00:08:40 um and I I would go a little further
00:08:42 symbolic of Satan but yes in fact along
00:08:45 those lines during The Exodus
00:08:48 um
00:08:49 the Israelites made a golden calf but it
00:08:54 was I think a better translation would
00:08:55 be bull because it has the um the horns
00:08:59 with it
00:09:00 um it you know the the
00:09:03 in In some cultures it would be applied
00:09:06 to the the moon Crescent right
00:09:10 um but anyways the bowl
00:09:12 is associated with Satan in one form or
00:09:15 another right yeah it’s a symbol it was
00:09:19 a symbol for foul
00:09:21 correct because he was the sky he’s the
00:09:25 sky God of Kate of the Canaanites ball
00:09:28 is the sky god of the canaits and he is
00:09:31 married to Astra ashra asheroth Asura
00:09:36 Ishtar uh who is the goddess of the
00:09:39 earth and be due to her marriage the
00:09:42 Queen of Heaven
00:09:43 right which is the same person different
00:09:45 names depending on the culture
00:09:47 um I mean every culture might be a
00:09:49 little different but there’s tons of
00:09:50 correlations between them
00:09:52 um
00:09:54 go ahead
00:09:56 so a castrated bull is okay but not a
00:09:59 regular book
00:10:02 um
00:10:02 because the baptismal font is on the
00:10:05 back of 12th oxen and in in an occult uh
00:10:11 Temple so I don’t think that’s it no no
00:10:13 in
00:10:15 in um the original Temple yeah and
00:10:19 actually in Israel’s Temple it was on
00:10:20 the back of the back 12
00:10:22 um because the bowl is actually
00:10:24 something that actually does have
00:10:27 symbology uh that is related to The
00:10:30 Covenant but it’s also this it also
00:10:32 symbolizes in another setting it
00:10:35 symbolized Sky god
00:10:37 um yeah and who’s right I forgot about
00:10:39 that
00:10:40 um because that’s actually where the LDS
00:10:42 get their reasoning for their in their
00:10:46 occult temples is actually yeah so yeah
00:10:50 in the original Tabernacle in the
00:10:52 original Tabernacle the labor for the
00:10:54 labor for Baptist deliver for baptisms
00:10:57 was actually
00:10:59 um
00:11:00 was actually on the back of 12 volts so
00:11:03 I I don’t right now I don’t know how the
00:11:07 Bulls are symbolic of the positive end I
00:11:09 like the fatted calf which is the
00:11:12 opposite sex right is symbolic of the
00:11:15 Messiah so the and the red heifer is
00:11:18 symbolic of the sacrament is the
00:11:20 symbolic of the blood sacrifice for sins
00:11:22 is offered once uh what I forget which
00:11:26 major holiday it’s offered on but well
00:11:29 um so I’m not an expert in this but the
00:11:32 one place that I know the red heifer is
00:11:35 I don’t think it’s specific to a holiday
00:11:37 uh it’s preparation for the it’s over
00:11:42 there uh the red heifer because they’re
00:11:45 saying they’ve got four red heifers that
00:11:47 are going to be ready for next year’s
00:11:49 Passover well okay uh Passover is Lambs
00:11:53 so on the ones
00:11:58 they can offer additional animals on
00:12:03 high holidays as part of the sacrifices
00:12:05 we’ll see that through the Old Testament
00:12:07 at different times
00:12:09 um and I I think that I think there
00:12:11 actually is some there actually is
00:12:14 something I’m talking about the redhead
00:12:16 yeah so what I know what the red heifer
00:12:19 is off top of my memory is the
00:12:21 preparation
00:12:23 uh for the priests
00:12:26 and
00:12:27 to for them to do their duties because
00:12:29 they’re supposed to
00:12:31 um cleanse themselves with the ashes
00:12:33 from the red heifer the priests yes
00:12:36 um so it’s a preparation that’s why they
00:12:37 won’t need the red heifer
00:12:40 um another one
00:12:42 that it’s associated with and I can’t
00:12:45 remember for sure if this is the red
00:12:47 heifer or just a cow
00:12:50 um
00:12:51 but the the blood of the cow is to
00:12:55 prepare the Altar for the law of Moses
00:12:57 which has been done away with right and
00:13:00 we can talk about that again but we’ve
00:13:01 talked about it some already but that’s
00:13:04 to prepare the altar
00:13:06 for
00:13:07 um the law of Moses now the reason I
00:13:10 tend to think it was a red heifer and
00:13:12 I’d have to go double check is
00:13:14 because Yeshua bled from every
00:13:18 point to that altar as in I believe
00:13:23 that sacrifice for the law of Moses
00:13:27 to prepare the altar which Yeshua is the
00:13:30 altar had to be covered in blood
00:13:33 represents what Yeshua went through in
00:13:36 the garden okay
00:13:38 um
00:13:39 that is my belief
00:13:42 anyway but back to this
00:13:46 um so so what makes you think the bull
00:13:50 symbolizes Satan where do you get that
00:13:52 from
00:13:53 uh history because he’s good and
00:13:56 canaanism he’s not and also and also the
00:13:59 situation he’s going into the china shop
00:14:01 directly wreck the Bulls to wreck the
00:14:04 Bulls
00:14:05 the Bowl here well I the reason I know
00:14:08 what’s going on with this uh
00:14:10 uh I forget the right word for it but
00:14:12 this little story of the bowl in the
00:14:15 china shop
00:14:17 is the reason I can read it is because I
00:14:19 know eating has to do with making a
00:14:22 covenant and Bowl has to do with Satan
00:14:24 and here’s this bowl going into a china
00:14:27 shop with all these plates that are for
00:14:31 eating
00:14:32 and he destroys them Satan destroys the
00:14:36 Covenant that we have with Yahweh
00:14:38 because we listen to him and follow his
00:14:41 perverted teachings instead of
00:14:44 following always pure teachings
00:14:48 so it’s not because of this little
00:14:50 saying that I know that but we could
00:14:54 go I mean we can go look on online real
00:14:56 quick if you want to but the bull
00:14:58 represents Satan
00:15:00 um and probably the best example is the
00:15:03 one that Ben brought up his ball right
00:15:07 but the ball’s usually a goat
00:15:10 and I think that’s all primarily a bull
00:15:15 this is the bafflement that’s primarily
00:15:18 a goat okay
00:15:20 okay just like these ceremonies like
00:15:23 that CERN ceremony they brought out the
00:15:25 big ball head yeah yeah yeah when you
00:15:29 realize that the bowl that the Bull’s
00:15:31 Head is a part of the into the Bull’s
00:15:34 Head is a part of the CERN ceremony and
00:15:36 stuff like that these the bull is highly
00:15:39 connected to the occult and while there
00:15:42 is a positive aspect in that
00:15:47 um well there is a positive aspect in
00:15:49 that the flavor for baptisms before
00:15:52 entering the uh before entering the holy
00:15:56 place
00:15:57 was uh on the back of 12 boxing
00:16:02 um well okay so it was awesome options
00:16:04 are different than bowls though but
00:16:07 anyways that’s another subject but
00:16:09 that’s but that doesn’t I’m just going
00:16:11 to say that it doesn’t change
00:16:14 the aspect of the fact that the poll is
00:16:21 that the bull is largely connected to
00:16:24 worship of the sun god when the the the
00:16:29 primary ritual
00:16:32 of
00:16:34 uh misras
00:16:36 was a sacrificial dance with a bowl that
00:16:40 ended up at the sacrifice of the bowl
00:16:45 the bowl representing
00:16:47 with the bowl representing mithras and
00:16:52 you sacred you sacrifice you sacrificed
00:16:55 to God you sacrifice the you said the
00:16:58 sacrifice is performed at night and then
00:17:00 when the sun rose in the morning
00:17:04 um
00:17:05 he’s Reborn
00:17:07 and so so
00:17:10 if you a lot of it has to do with your
00:17:13 knowledge of your knowledge of uh
00:17:19 how these things have perpetuated
00:17:21 throughout time
00:17:23 within the realm of paganism yeah
00:17:27 which is which is the mystery religion
00:17:29 yeah so even on just this reborn part
00:17:32 like the resurrection they’re saying
00:17:35 that the resurrection happened in the
00:17:36 morning but when Yeshua was resurrected
00:17:39 it was at night not in the morning
00:17:43 um which is the complete opposite yeah
00:17:45 when they came in the morning when they
00:17:48 came in the morning the stone was
00:17:50 already rolled away yeah
00:17:52 um so but anyways
00:17:54 um that’s a whole other subject on three
00:17:57 days and three nights
00:18:00 um
00:18:00 and I I have a
00:18:03 my inclusive Resource page gets into
00:18:05 more details on that
00:18:07 um so if you let me hurry and just share
00:18:11 that for those who want to get into more
00:18:13 details on that
00:18:15 um
00:18:17 because it it gets into more details of
00:18:20 that
00:18:21 um but anyways okay so back I think
00:18:24 that’s pretty much on that picture I I
00:18:26 don’t I I think pretty much the goat
00:18:30 is pretty self-explanatory you know the
00:18:33 the sheep and the goats the Sheep on the
00:18:36 right the goats on the left right
00:18:39 um and then also just getting along with
00:18:41 something we already stated before the
00:18:43 Baphomet which is very symbolic of Satan
00:18:46 and many asks of his aspects and it is
00:18:49 half goat half man right
00:18:52 the the Baphomet or molec yeah
00:18:57 um go ahead what do they mean what do
00:18:59 they what’s the cow mean by perpetuating
00:19:01 an idiom
00:19:03 and the goat’s responsive of
00:19:07 the words the words in this drawing are
00:19:10 a distraction
00:19:11 yeah
00:19:12 the words in this drawing are a
00:19:14 distraction
00:19:16 they’re meant they’re meant to distract
00:19:18 your mind away from the actual away from
00:19:22 what’s actually being
00:19:23 uh the actual message that’s being shown
00:19:26 here
00:19:27 um but so the the goat
00:19:30 um and the candy store that to some that
00:19:33 makes me think of the Pied Piper which
00:19:36 is another symbol of Satan
00:19:39 um leading the children astray right
00:19:41 with his music so there it’s music
00:19:44 instead of candy but I mean on the candy
00:19:47 one that Charlie the Chocolate Factory
00:19:50 um is definitely along those lines
00:19:54 um
00:19:55 and I’ve I’ve done a just do a Shameless
00:19:59 plug
00:20:00 I’ve done a commentary on Charlie and
00:20:04 the Chocolate Factory
00:20:05 um it’s actually one of my favorite ones
00:20:07 to do actually I I actually like that
00:20:09 movie growing up as a kid
00:20:12 um but
00:20:14 then Yahweh woke me up to what’s in
00:20:16 there and it’s throughout the whole
00:20:19 thing and anyways so Perpetual you idiom
00:20:23 yeah yeah I’m not really sure what to
00:20:26 say about some of these little
00:20:28 Yeah well yeah it’s it’s just it it’s
00:20:31 just some cute words
00:20:34 it’s a clever it’s some clever words
00:20:37 that’s what it is so you know the
00:20:40 bowling china shop is an idiot
00:20:42 isn’t the one on the right a golden cat
00:20:47 I think that’s a goat I think that’s a
00:20:50 kid it’s a kid it’s a it’s a kid going
00:20:52 into a candy store taking advantage of a
00:20:54 homonym yeah that’s right in an idiom
00:20:57 taking advantage of the kid in the candy
00:20:59 store okay I’ll get that now but um
00:21:01 that’s right so I I it’s a young goat
00:21:04 it’s probably a teenage goat the kid and
00:21:07 the candy store yeah that’s more sense
00:21:09 on the actual sayings because yeah a a
00:21:12 young goat is called a kid I forgot
00:21:14 about that
00:21:16 so yeah that’s that’s where it so that’s
00:21:19 where that’s where the words are where
00:21:21 the picture are where the picture is is
00:21:23 a lot more in cities
00:21:25 uh okay so I think that’s enough for
00:21:27 that one I do want to do one other one
00:21:29 before we do the main one
00:21:32 um
00:21:33 the main attraction the main attraction
00:21:35 yes
00:21:37 um I I just
00:21:40 here I’m trying to help people see
00:21:44 it in other places so that way when we
00:21:47 do the main attraction it’ll be
00:21:50 they’ll be more open to it they can see
00:21:52 it’s it’s there in the culture this is
00:21:54 and it’s all over the place
00:21:56 don’t know what’s going on because they
00:21:59 don’t it’s just it’s just in our culture
00:22:01 it’s stuff that’s just deeply ingrained
00:22:04 and we don’t even look at it really yeah
00:22:08 I most people don’t I’ll tell you when I
00:22:11 I watch movies or see things around even
00:22:15 just driving around I’m hyperactive
00:22:17 thinking about what it could be meaning
00:22:19 and so I
00:22:21 probably more aware because I’m thinking
00:22:24 about it more right so what’s the first
00:22:26 thing that anybody notices about this
00:22:28 picture
00:22:32 so the first thing for me is basement
00:22:35 and there’s a lot of stuff in here but
00:22:38 um it’s in the basement and in the
00:22:40 basement is like a pit or hell
00:22:43 um so that’s the first thing that
00:22:46 depends on how messy your basement is
00:22:48 well still
00:22:55 yeah a lot of people’s basements are are
00:22:58 messy right
00:23:02 um
00:23:06 did you actually want to say something
00:23:07 or is he just being silly no I’m uh he’s
00:23:11 he’s remembering he’s remembering a
00:23:13 basement we had to clean up once
00:23:15 okay
00:23:17 um
00:23:18 anyways but you know the basement is
00:23:22 down in the ground
00:23:24 and hell is in the center of the earth I
00:23:28 mean that’s that’s biblical that it’s in
00:23:30 the Earth or the heart of the earth is
00:23:32 another term for it too and here’s
00:23:36 a cat actually which is symbolic of
00:23:40 false gods AKA Satan
00:23:43 um
00:23:45 in a basement hell
00:23:48 going in a costume in a disguise with
00:23:51 sunglasses that tints the way that you
00:23:54 see things Darkly
00:23:58 on the internet trying to influence
00:24:00 people
00:24:02 and it’s also interesting
00:24:05 um so a lot of yeah
00:24:08 sorry did someone say something
00:24:10 you know just keep going okay and so a
00:24:14 lot of people
00:24:15 um so I I’d have to go look up the verse
00:24:18 and we’ll get in just a minute but a lot
00:24:20 of famous people stick out their tongue
00:24:21 all right
00:24:23 that is actually a bad sign in fact
00:24:26 since I’m bringing it up I’m gonna go
00:24:29 find it in my notes
00:24:31 so but that’s something that cats do
00:24:34 also right they stick out their tongue
00:24:36 and we’ll we’ll talk some more about
00:24:38 those details in just a minute
00:24:41 um
00:24:49 uh so Isaiah 57 34
00:24:53 um well if I actually I have a better
00:24:56 picture let me go get my better picture
00:24:57 for this sorry
00:25:01 I’m not the most prepared
00:25:04 report
00:25:08 um here this is probably the best one of
00:25:11 the better pitchers so let me
00:25:14 um
00:25:16 this one has the verse on it
00:25:19 um
00:25:20 so here’s this famous people sticking
00:25:22 out their tongue it’s a common thing
00:25:23 against whom you shall support
00:25:26 yourselves against whom you
00:25:28 making a wide mouth and jaw out the
00:25:31 tongue are you not the children of the
00:25:33 transgression a seed of falsehoods
00:25:37 uh I have one other picture I think is
00:25:39 worthwhile looking at
00:25:41 or yeah
00:25:44 this one right here I mean I have a
00:25:45 couple of them but uh this one has some
00:25:48 pictures of some false gods too on it so
00:25:50 which is Handy
00:25:52 um so here’s some false gods
00:25:55 say my same verse and some of the false
00:25:58 thoughts that goes along with it
00:26:00 that is not a good thing and cats do
00:26:03 that
00:26:05 and it’s interesting as the cat is doing
00:26:08 it
00:26:09 it’s
00:26:11 licking your hair
00:26:13 and
00:26:16 taking your hair off okay
00:26:20 because it’s tongues are the tongue of a
00:26:22 cat is actually very
00:26:25 um
00:26:26 foreign course yeah of course it’s a
00:26:30 breath
00:26:31 yeah
00:26:33 right but it’s interesting hair is
00:26:35 Authority
00:26:38 and so when we sin we lose Authority
00:26:41 and Satan tries to is always trying to
00:26:44 get us to sin to lose our relationship
00:26:47 with Yahweh which then makes us lose the
00:26:50 authority that we have with him
00:26:52 and so it’s funny when you
00:26:54 said the cat was hacking down here I
00:26:58 assumed you meant a hairball so no even
00:27:01 hacking has some multiple meanings to it
00:27:04 right so hacking is not necessarily bad
00:27:06 I’m a software engineer but in
00:27:09 mainstream Society hacking is pretty
00:27:11 much always a bad thing it doesn’t have
00:27:13 to be but it generally is a thought that
00:27:15 way and it’s generally generally
00:27:17 computer hackers are seeing as
00:27:19 mischievous sorts correct as they’re
00:27:23 doing something bad something illegal
00:27:26 which is actually what Satan does right
00:27:28 he’s trying to get us do something bad
00:27:30 and illegal and when he’s doing that
00:27:32 that’s actually sinful it’s sinful what
00:27:35 he’s doing right which is illegal
00:27:39 um so here they’re putting a lot even
00:27:42 just in the statement here and see how
00:27:44 the basement is dark
00:27:46 away from the light right
00:27:51 um anyways and he’s in a costume I think
00:27:54 I already mentioned that anyways I don’t
00:27:56 know if anybody wants to bring anything
00:27:57 else out but that’s a lot I think that’s
00:28:01 I I think that’s pretty much the extent
00:28:05 of the um
00:28:07 the extent of the uh what’s in that
00:28:12 particular image and yes it is amusing I
00:28:16 I get that I recognize that it’s a
00:28:19 amusing little anecdote but at the same
00:28:22 time
00:28:23 there’s a message there it shouldn’t be
00:28:25 ignored
00:28:27 correct and then what are those three
00:28:29 things to his right are those glasses
00:28:32 uh
00:28:40 that would be my guess
00:28:42 um just be just due to what is the
00:28:45 what’s the stereotype of hack of a
00:28:47 computer hacker yeah and and since as
00:28:50 Sue brings it out one thing that I would
00:28:53 wonder about it it’s sugar right
00:28:56 uh instead of something healthy and I
00:28:59 would relate that myself as pointing
00:29:02 those out three measures of meals
00:29:04 so there’s been
00:29:06 there are three 2000 periods that Yahweh
00:29:10 gives men to come to him and then comes
00:29:14 the Judgment right and then rest or
00:29:17 damnation right because it’s Judgment
00:29:19 Day and I I would wonder if it relates
00:29:22 to that the three measures of meal
00:29:25 um
00:29:26 because
00:29:27 there’s something similar to this in the
00:29:30 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory where
00:29:32 he goes gets
00:29:34 um sugary
00:29:36 I think they’re gumballs
00:29:39 um from three different Gumball
00:29:41 dispensers right next to each other
00:29:44 no no this is before he
00:29:48 um
00:29:49 this is where he’s reminiscing about his
00:29:51 childhood and starting to like sugar
00:29:53 hiding from his dad right
00:29:57 um so it was before he had the factory
00:29:59 but yeah I I would relate that to the
00:30:02 three measures of nil and so with Sue
00:30:05 bringing that out I would relate that to
00:30:07 the same and and these are probably
00:30:09 energy drinks which are not healthy and
00:30:12 full of sugar right yeah most of the
00:30:15 yeah most of these most of these uh most
00:30:18 of these designs
00:30:22 um
00:30:24 the art most of these designs
00:30:28 having actually been having actually
00:30:30 known a lot of artists to get stuff like
00:30:33 this
00:30:35 a lot of times
00:30:39 the way they explain it is that they’re
00:30:41 not even that aware of what they’re
00:30:43 drawing it’s just happening in them and
00:30:45 they just draw it out and that could be
00:30:48 in some cases because
00:30:49 um I mean there’s inspiration from both
00:30:52 sides right
00:30:55 um it’s just yeah it’s just happening in
00:30:57 them and they draw it out so that’s um
00:31:02 yeah anyways that would be my guess on
00:31:04 the those three cans there too I don’t
00:31:08 know if that
00:31:09 makes any sense yeah I just thought they
00:31:11 had meant something
00:31:13 yeah they probably do I just didn’t
00:31:15 notice them so I’m I’m grateful that you
00:31:17 brought them out is that a snake
00:31:21 snake on that other table over there
00:31:27 look back in the back right here no yeah
00:31:32 right there right there yeah actually
00:31:33 yeah I’ll let you mention it that does
00:31:35 look like a snake it does look like a
00:31:37 snake yeah that that looks like a snake
00:31:40 yeah good eye there Sue I didn’t notice
00:31:43 that because that looks like the head
00:31:44 the eye and the mouth right there
00:31:47 um so yeah excellent I would agree with
00:31:49 that
00:31:50 way to spot them
00:31:53 actually a good leeway into the next one
00:31:56 so but bef while we’re showing the next
00:32:00 picture I I I I need hold on I need to
00:32:04 pause for a minute
00:32:06 okay sorry about that okay so
00:32:10 um let me get the picture up
00:32:15 so
00:32:19 okay so here’s the picture that we want
00:32:21 to focus on
00:32:23 now one thing I just want to reiterate
00:32:26 um
00:32:26 the group that’s using this picture is a
00:32:31 may or may not know what’s in it I don’t
00:32:34 know okay I don’t know how it got
00:32:37 designed and all those decision
00:32:40 processes that goes along I just know
00:32:43 that they’re using it
00:32:46 um either someone donated to him or
00:32:49 suggested it or they paid for it to get
00:32:51 made I have no idea okay so I just want
00:32:54 to make that clear
00:32:56 did you want to say anything along those
00:32:58 lines real quick again
00:33:01 uh so and so the point is that we are
00:33:04 not making any statement of evil in
00:33:06 Canada we are simply
00:33:09 alerting you alerting people
00:33:12 to the signs
00:33:15 that to the signs that are visible
00:33:19 within the symbology that you use
00:33:23 what you do with this is entirely up to
00:33:27 you
00:33:28 correct and I am not going to judge
00:33:31 anybody one way or the other based on
00:33:34 what they do with the information that
00:33:36 is provided right and I’m not going to
00:33:39 judge the people that are actually using
00:33:41 it for using it because I don’t know how
00:33:44 they got to start using it I have no
00:33:46 idea so I can’t speak towards that what
00:33:50 Ben and I are going to speak about is
00:33:52 what is in the picture
00:33:54 because that’s something that we do know
00:33:56 because we can see it okay and obviously
00:34:00 as you can see in the title of the
00:34:01 pictures the Lost Doctrine logo okay
00:34:05 so as
00:34:07 uh the first thing I think we’ll
00:34:09 probably start with is something that
00:34:11 Sue brought out from the other picture
00:34:12 that I actually didn’t see so that was a
00:34:14 good catch there Sue so
00:34:17 um there’s a snake here actually there’s
00:34:19 multiple snake heads in this picture
00:34:23 um in the negative space yes in the
00:34:27 negative space and it looks like Kesley
00:34:29 Sees at least one
00:34:31 um because she’s shaking her head do you
00:34:33 see it see any Sue this one took me a
00:34:35 little while to see because I’m not good
00:34:37 at negative space myself yeah yeah when
00:34:41 you’re when we’re talking about the
00:34:42 negative space we’re talking about the
00:34:43 space that doesn’t have lines so I’ll do
00:34:46 a circle Sue and maybe you’ll be able to
00:34:48 see it after I do the circle
00:34:51 I see a upside down chalice yeah at the
00:34:55 time yeah there is we’re going to talk
00:34:56 about this that’s the upside down
00:34:58 chalice so that’s right there yep
00:35:01 actually has a couple things in it but
00:35:03 that’s yes this is also the chalice and
00:35:06 Palace yeah uh we’ll talk about that a
00:35:08 little later bro let’s do you see the
00:35:10 snake head right there Sue
00:35:13 so there’s the time I mean the eye and
00:35:16 the there’s the head and the neck
00:35:19 um there’s here there’s another one
00:35:24 yeah okay so since uh Ben brought this
00:35:27 one out here’s the owl so here is the
00:35:31 eyes the nose and then the shape of the
00:35:34 owl right there
00:35:36 yes you know
00:35:39 so uh since Zach brought up the the
00:35:42 Chalice there’s the
00:35:47 uh I’m forgetting the names there’s the
00:35:50 phallic right there in fact which is
00:35:52 also the blade it’s the same thing the
00:35:54 blade is more of a v but it’s
00:35:57 interesting to me they’ve made it more
00:35:58 like this more like the phallus the
00:36:01 blade and the blade and the Chalice yeah
00:36:03 so the masculine amphetamine and also
00:36:06 that’s
00:36:07 a little concerning it’s going to the
00:36:10 hole actually they made a hole there
00:36:13 uh I don’t think that was accidental
00:36:15 and now now we have this we now we have
00:36:19 this upside down chalice which is
00:36:22 pouring out
00:36:24 the blood yes so on on so Christ talks
00:36:29 about his atonement as the bitter cup
00:36:31 okay and so here is an upside down cup
00:36:36 pouring out the atonement
00:36:38 meaning they find it ineffectual
00:36:42 they don’t believe in it
00:36:44 they don’t think it does anything
00:36:45 because they’re instead of partaking of
00:36:48 it and drinking it
00:36:50 they’re dumping it out completely
00:36:56 they whoever Drew this
00:36:59 does not believe in the atonement or
00:37:02 that it has any effect on them
00:37:06 um so I think did Zach say the ankh I
00:37:10 think
00:37:11 yes yeah so here’s the the the 12 fruits
00:37:16 makes a circle which then also goes
00:37:19 along with um
00:37:21 here’s part of the ankh right here the
00:37:24 uh
00:37:26 oh it’s the it’s the Egyptian cross yeah
00:37:30 yeah so here let’s sing for us
00:37:32 let’s Sidetrack on that a little bit
00:37:35 let’s make sure that yes if who has the
00:37:38 questions somebody else has to do yeah
00:37:41 so let’s show let’s let’s display the
00:37:43 off
00:37:45 if I did I spell it right oh it’s close
00:37:49 enough
00:37:52 there you go
00:37:54 it’s a circle
00:37:56 and then the T
00:37:58 so it’s a little variation another
00:38:01 variation of the ankh is the Celtic
00:38:03 cross
00:38:07 and so
00:38:09 they’re both very similar that’s a c at
00:38:13 the beginning okay well c and k sound
00:38:15 the same
00:38:17 see see how see how they’re almost
00:38:19 exactly the same I was none of that
00:38:21 aware of that one I I knew I had this
00:38:23 circle but I I wouldn’t have I I could
00:38:27 see how that gets tied to the ankh I I
00:38:29 can definitely see that well that’s
00:38:31 because that’s because it is tied
00:38:34 I I agree with you in fact the these
00:38:39 knotted images right here have to do
00:38:41 with Satan that’s in with it
00:38:44 um that’s it yeah the lozenges is that
00:38:48 what they’re called yeah
00:38:50 okay that has to do roughly a cold
00:38:55 um
00:38:56 so
00:38:57 [Music]
00:38:58 um did you want to say something Zach or
00:39:00 am I
00:39:02 uh it’s just background noise don’t
00:39:04 worry uh okay oh that’s fine yeah I’m
00:39:06 just trying to make sure everybody’s
00:39:07 included so
00:39:10 go ahead
00:39:12 yeah so what we so so here we have and
00:39:17 here we have the owl
00:39:25 chalice we have a circle
00:39:28 of the Ankh which goes down and right
00:39:32 here the circle of the ankh yep and then
00:39:35 here
00:39:36 and then here coming from the bottom we
00:39:39 have the inverted cross
00:39:40 correct uh which I I definitely want to
00:39:43 spend a little more time talking on that
00:39:45 one because
00:39:47 um see the ankh is up here at the top
00:39:50 crossbar with the stylized crossbars
00:39:53 it’s not exact but it’s there and yet
00:39:56 you have a stylized crossbars then if
00:39:58 you’re coming from the bottom here we
00:39:59 have the upside down right now so it’s a
00:40:03 little stylized here so that’s how I
00:40:06 turned it but then Ben taught me
00:40:07 something and we’ll get to that in a
00:40:09 minute but you look here here’s the
00:40:12 and right here and right here so the
00:40:17 reason I tied it to this is because the
00:40:21 peace sign is actually a
00:40:24 I I used to think until I was talking to
00:40:26 Ben about this was a stylized
00:40:29 upside down cross an upside down cross
00:40:31 is satanic right and I thought it was
00:40:35 satanic or just stylized sorry but then
00:40:38 Ben told me what happened what happens
00:40:41 in some occult ceremonies and so I think
00:40:44 that’s uh good for you yeah where in
00:40:47 some occult ceremonies the uh person
00:40:51 is brought into the circle
00:40:54 they plant the cross upside down
00:40:58 and they break the bars into the ground
00:41:02 forming that broken that upside down
00:41:05 broken cross that is the peace symbol
00:41:09 which it’s and they do this as they said
00:41:13 this is part of this piece symbol right
00:41:17 yeah and they do this
00:41:20 as they swear
00:41:24 to put away all things related to Christ
00:41:29 and they swear to the destruction of
00:41:31 Christianity
00:41:33 yeah
00:41:35 and so the the point is
00:41:38 that there are
00:41:40 this yeah this looks like uh you know to
00:41:44 the uninitiated
00:41:47 it’s like a super cool symbol of the
00:41:49 tree of life right because it looks like
00:41:51 you know it looks like a tree and some
00:41:53 lighted fruit in it right which would go
00:41:56 along with uh 1358 I mean sorry first
00:41:59 Nephi a and first Nephi
00:42:02 11 through 14 right
00:42:05 but as we have shown
00:42:08 this is so much more right and then one
00:42:12 that I haven’t talked about with Ben yet
00:42:14 but
00:42:15 um
00:42:16 yeah I thought about is there’s a lot of
00:42:19 possible Crescent moons in this thing
00:42:21 like here and here yeah and the moon has
00:42:26 to do with uh in Pagan religions has to
00:42:30 do with Satan
00:42:32 um how many phases of the moon are you
00:42:34 represented
00:42:35 oh that’s a good question let’s see
00:42:38 um so this these two could be one here
00:42:41 or these four that could be they all
00:42:45 look pretty much the same phase I mean
00:42:46 they might be slightly different these
00:42:48 two would be two different ones
00:42:51 if those are supposed to be it those
00:42:53 could be some other phases but they’re
00:42:57 not so moonlike to me so maybe not but
00:42:59 here’s another phase here’s another
00:43:02 phase
00:43:03 and here’s another face so
00:43:07 um
00:43:08 at least four I would say
00:43:14 sorry did you say something
00:43:16 I just said strange yeah I yeah I mean
00:43:19 this these bigger ones could be I
00:43:23 I I just anyway this I I don’t know
00:43:26 anyways some of it’s could be some
00:43:29 stylizing going on right yeah but so so
00:43:33 the point is is that um
00:43:37 nobody can help nobody can be held
00:43:39 accountable for what they don’t know
00:43:42 but they can be held and they will be
00:43:44 held accountable for what they do know
00:43:45 so if they’ve done this on purpose
00:43:49 that’s a problem but if they did it
00:43:51 unknowingly
00:43:53 hopefully they’ll um see this and change
00:43:56 it but
00:43:57 I don’t know if not or annoyingly I have
00:44:01 no idea but if not but if not it’s
00:44:04 between them and your way
00:44:05 correct
00:44:08 um and and we and he is Oliver and he’s
00:44:11 Oliver
00:44:13 correct
00:44:14 he is the top judge uh he’s the one that
00:44:17 we should worry the most about what
00:44:19 um he says about us but anyways he’s the
00:44:22 only judge I worry about
00:44:24 well I I worry about my wife too
00:44:27 um so well I well that that that’s uh
00:44:32 that’s understandable
00:44:35 you’re you’re not with that but I I do
00:44:37 worry more about more than just Elohim
00:44:40 as my judge but he’s the one I care
00:44:43 about most on the judgment is him but I
00:44:47 I do have other people in my realm that
00:44:49 I do take care take care of and care
00:44:51 about right
00:44:53 um in fact people here on this calling
00:44:55 has have helped me out learn things so
00:44:58 thank you a lot of sense oh yeah that’s
00:45:01 what I just said I I care about my wife
00:45:03 and her her judgment right and because I
00:45:07 I as trying to be a good husband I am to
00:45:11 serve her right
00:45:13 um I sounds good to me yeah that gets
00:45:17 twisted a lot I mean we could go into
00:45:19 those subjects if you want but anyways
00:45:22 this was one thing that uh Ben and I
00:45:24 wanted to do at first and so yeah yeah I
00:45:28 just uh the the and the point is not to
00:45:31 vilify anyone
00:45:32 no if I’m doing anything I’m vilifying
00:45:36 the picture and what’s in it not people
00:45:39 who don’t understand it
00:45:42 you know if you understood it when you
00:45:43 did it I will vilify you you need to
00:45:46 repent
00:45:47 but if you don’t know what’s in it and
00:45:49 you decided to use it
00:45:51 I understand it looks like a nice tree
00:45:54 of life on the surface
00:45:56 but so who is this lost Doctrine is this
00:46:00 on Facebook or what is uh this is Justin
00:46:03 this is one of Justin Griffin’s YouTube
00:46:04 channels yeah the guy who did the who
00:46:07 killed Joseph Smith documentary that’s
00:46:10 his symbol
00:46:12 um so we’ll just uh and and in saying
00:46:17 that in saying that that’s this is why I
00:46:19 have said I am not trying to villainize
00:46:22 anybody because
00:46:26 have you tried to talk to him about this
00:46:30 um
00:46:31 I I
00:46:33 the last time the last he doesn’t like
00:46:36 me and he does the last time I talked
00:46:38 about the last time we tried to talk to
00:46:40 him about symbolism it didn’t go so well
00:46:43 yeah um I’ve tried to talk to him and I
00:46:47 think a lot of that also had to do with
00:46:49 how we did it
00:46:52 we were kind of trying to force his hand
00:46:56 to take a certain symbol out of the
00:46:59 movie
00:47:00 um
00:47:02 uh who killed Joseph Smith the logo for
00:47:06 him the logo for his um filmmaker buddy
00:47:10 so I think it I think yeah I think he
00:47:13 did not appreciate that at all I can
00:47:15 understand that
00:47:16 so you can see here here it’s maybe I’ll
00:47:21 make it bigger that might be more it’s
00:47:23 Justin’s sight the Lost Doctrine there’s
00:47:25 Justin and his wife I don’t know who
00:47:27 those two are that’s uh well I’m not
00:47:30 gonna name it I’m not gonna name anyone
00:47:32 okay well anyways yeah yeah I know well
00:47:35 you you know that’s it that’s not and
00:47:37 that’s not the point
00:47:39 as as I have said yeah yeah no the point
00:47:43 is the pitcher
00:47:45 the point’s the picture it’s not the
00:47:47 point it all at who it’s not to point
00:47:50 out who might be a problem sure I I
00:47:52 don’t I have no idea who made the
00:47:55 pitcher or promo or well what is the
00:47:59 Lost Doctrine
00:48:01 these are the these are the videos that
00:48:03 he does
00:48:06 that’s a good question I’m wondering
00:48:08 what he thinks is the Lost Doctrine the
00:48:11 doctrine of Christ the doctor of Christ
00:48:13 that’s what he’ll say I I tried to watch
00:48:16 some of these I I don’t like them I I’ll
00:48:21 just leave it at that okay I I’ve seen
00:48:23 some of his interviews uh when he did
00:48:26 that he’s done regarding his who killed
00:48:30 Joseph Smith documentaries which in
00:48:33 general I like those okay in fact the
00:48:35 first one I think it was very well done
00:48:38 and very close to what I would say
00:48:40 actually happened okay so I gave him
00:48:43 kudos for that I completely agree or
00:48:46 very close to it and I I’ve written
00:48:48 a blog post stating pretty much that
00:48:51 um but I’ve seen his interviews of
00:48:54 people interviewing him because of that
00:48:56 documentary he does push New Age okay
00:49:02 no does he he probably just doesn’t
00:49:04 think it’s new age you probably think
00:49:06 it’s the Lost Doctrine but it’s new age
00:49:08 occult I’ll just leave it at that
00:49:11 um I don’t want to get in too many
00:49:13 specifics here and I I haven’t made
00:49:16 notes of those so I can’t really get
00:49:18 into specifics either unless we go start
00:49:19 watching things and talking about him
00:49:22 and
00:49:26 it’s not my purpose in talking about
00:49:29 this to
00:49:30 point fingers or no the purpose is to
00:49:34 warn about the icon the logo that
00:49:38 they’re using to let people know what
00:49:40 the initiated see in this icon
00:49:43 right and I
00:49:45 so along these lines I I’m gonna admit
00:49:48 something here on the recording when I
00:49:50 first woke up
00:49:52 I woke up I started realizing that Tor
00:49:55 was important okay but at the same time
00:49:57 I didn’t completely have a good
00:49:58 understanding at that time and I went
00:50:01 into New Age some and I I paid for
00:50:04 classes to learn about it and it was
00:50:06 kind of exciting
00:50:08 new and interesting I was learning right
00:50:11 but I later found out through various
00:50:14 means and saying the scriptures more it
00:50:17 it contradicts
00:50:19 the scriptures and the gospel
00:50:22 and it’s
00:50:24 new age is soft occult
00:50:28 a lot of sugar on it to make it look
00:50:30 better but it is of the occult and the
00:50:33 and the whole the whole thing is it’s
00:50:35 because of what I see in a lot of
00:50:37 symbology that I don’t that I’ve been
00:50:40 hesitant to talk about these things and
00:50:43 to share my own experiences from my own
00:50:47 life we’re talking about
00:50:50 um because I didn’t I because
00:50:54 I was afraid
00:50:56 I was afraid
00:50:58 to say what I knew
00:51:02 because
00:51:03 it would be very inconvenient
00:51:07 yeah I I’ve done some things that I am
00:51:11 not proud of when I first woke up in
00:51:16 because I was looking into some of the
00:51:18 new age and I I thought there was some
00:51:19 truth there
00:51:22 um and so I’ve made mistakes
00:51:24 unknowingly but as I studied the
00:51:26 scriptures know more since then I won’t
00:51:30 do them again and when it’s helpful I
00:51:34 will tell people about them and then
00:51:35 tell them why I don’t do them anymore
00:51:39 um so
00:51:40 but but the the thing
00:51:45 well matched oh sure no I said namaste
00:51:51 yep
00:51:54 so on the point I I used to do yoga in
00:52:00 fact I even I did it before my mission
00:52:02 and I took my yoga sheepskin on my
00:52:06 mission so I don’t do yoga anymore the
00:52:10 the positions imitate for the positions
00:52:12 of false gods among other things and so
00:52:16 I will not do yoga again but that’s not
00:52:18 what I was going to when I was talking
00:52:20 earlier but I have done that when I was
00:52:23 in theater I was known as the when I was
00:52:26 in theater I was known as the uh yoga
00:52:30 panda
00:52:31 because I’m fat
00:52:32 because I’m fat and I still did yoga uh
00:52:36 I I liked yoga I I used to do morning
00:52:39 satna which is basically doing yoga
00:52:42 early in the morning and then you did
00:52:45 yoga and then you read some other
00:52:47 their teachings
00:52:49 I wasn’t into the teachings part
00:52:51 um
00:52:53 and the main reason my the main reason
00:52:55 why I went into yoga for flexibility
00:52:57 because when you’re in the theater you
00:52:59 have to be flexible you have to be able
00:53:00 to do all kinds of things
00:53:02 regardless of
00:53:05 regardless of what shape you’re in yeah
00:53:08 yeah I could see that
00:53:10 um I I got into yoga because a friend
00:53:12 invited me and well and I can tell you I
00:53:15 went and I actually did like the
00:53:16 exercise because it there is some good
00:53:19 exercise in it but you can get the same
00:53:21 exercise without
00:53:24 being imposes that imitate false gods so
00:53:27 there’s better ways of doing it yeah I
00:53:30 uh well I can tell you one thing for
00:53:32 certain is that um
00:53:35 if you want to meet a pack of
00:53:36 luciferians go to the theater
00:53:40 yeah go to the theater
00:53:43 because
00:53:45 almost everyone involved in theater on
00:53:47 practically any level
00:53:49 whether they claim Christ or whether
00:53:51 they don’t
00:53:52 has some level of luciferian
00:53:55 understanding
00:53:58 um I wouldn’t say all but the ones who
00:54:00 are more known the ones who get really
00:54:01 good the ones who get really good at it
00:54:03 I would agree with that yeah and I was
00:54:06 really and I was really good at it
00:54:08 because you have to be able to
00:54:09 dissociate if there are things if you
00:54:12 get really good at it you have to be
00:54:14 able to be able to you have to be able
00:54:16 to do anything
00:54:18 and the only way you can do that is
00:54:20 through dissociation
00:54:21 yeah and there’s a channel I like
00:54:25 um
00:54:26 for Hollywood issues light
00:54:32 that one
00:54:35 uh this guy these guys right here
00:54:39 um little light student Studios
00:54:42 um I like them and they have some videos
00:54:44 how these actors admit that they are
00:54:49 okay I’ll put it in the chat
00:54:51 um
00:54:53 the actors admit that they’re possessed
00:54:57 by demons while they’re acting
00:54:59 well the whole thing the whole thing is
00:55:01 is that
00:55:03 it really is a stud when you get really
00:55:06 good at acting it really is a case study
00:55:11 uh a case study of what possession yeah
00:55:15 it is you’re possessed
00:55:17 yeah you literally become somebody else
00:55:20 so you could do what they do
00:55:23 yeah
00:55:24 um so one that I did a commentary on the
00:55:27 Grinch in fact the Edition I did the
00:55:30 commentary with was the one that Jim
00:55:34 Carrey did
00:55:36 and in people talk about how Jim Carrey
00:55:40 was
00:55:43 um while he was not being recorded and
00:55:45 it was like he was possessed because he
00:55:47 was he was rude crude very mean and is
00:55:53 well yeah he is just that way all the
00:55:55 time but worse than normal when he was
00:55:59 um in his state for lack of a better
00:56:03 word
00:56:04 um it is worse than normal because he
00:56:07 was possessed when he was acting for
00:56:09 that show and in fact one of these
00:56:13 videos on this channel is where I
00:56:15 learned about that one but as the the
00:56:18 Jim Carrey was possessed for it
00:56:21 um while doing it
00:56:24 um let’s see if I can find it anyways
00:56:27 this is a good difference
00:56:30 which is one of the reasons why I
00:56:31 actually kind of found it really kind of
00:56:33 scary
00:56:35 to get back into playing another evil
00:56:38 guy
00:56:39 for to be to be Willard Richards I found
00:56:42 that scary yeah I can imagine because it
00:56:46 was like oh no am I going to be doing
00:56:48 this again
00:56:50 yeah so here am I going to be subjecting
00:56:52 myself to this
00:56:53 here’s one video where they actually
00:56:55 specifically talk about how the actors
00:56:57 are channeling
00:56:58 AKA being possessed by his spirits right
00:57:03 um it’s not the one I was I don’t know
00:57:05 if that has the one that I was talking
00:57:06 about with Jim Carrey or not but anyways
00:57:08 but yeah the um
00:57:10 yeah my whole uh the whole routine
00:57:16 the the whole routine around putting on
00:57:19 for me
00:57:22 it was as I was putting on my stage
00:57:24 makeup the character came on as my
00:57:26 makeup came on
00:57:29 yeah
00:57:32 and that was
00:57:33 um
00:57:35 and I and it was like there was just and
00:57:38 who I was
00:57:40 faded into this small voice in the
00:57:42 background oftentimes just screaming at
00:57:45 myself
00:57:47 yeah
00:57:48 um and there’s been actors and musicians
00:57:51 that have admitted that they wanted to
00:57:53 get out of it publicly recently but they
00:57:56 don’t know how
00:57:59 um anyways the little like the studios
00:58:01 is a good Channel
00:58:03 um yeah so one thing I like about it
00:58:06 then is that they kind of bring out some
00:58:08 of the Gnostic themes in a few videos in
00:58:13 fact they’re they’re pretty good at
00:58:15 having
00:58:17 one or two points here and there
00:58:20 um they not so much good at doing scene
00:58:24 by scene like I have done with a few
00:58:26 videos
00:58:27 but
00:58:29 um they definitely reach a lot more
00:58:30 people than I have so they’re they’re
00:58:32 definitely good on that in fact Peter
00:58:34 Pan here’s one just on Peter Pan Peter
00:58:37 Pan is Satan
00:58:41 um
00:58:43 my childhood favorites yeah I know
00:58:48 you know I know Walt Disney was Walt
00:58:51 Disney was twisted yeah oh yeah
00:58:55 completely yeah I mean like here’s a
00:58:58 video right here where they talk about
00:58:59 the Oscar awards the the actual
00:59:03 um
00:59:04 statue or award that they received as
00:59:06 pattern off of a Egyptian god
00:59:09 um and
00:59:10 did you know that when I was in theater
00:59:12 Walt Disney was actually my hero oh well
00:59:16 I looked up to him
00:59:18 we knew a guy that used to work for him
00:59:21 we grew up down the street from him and
00:59:24 um I mean one of his closest closer
00:59:27 Associates and um
00:59:30 he was a recluse
00:59:32 you could hardly get to know him or
00:59:34 anything they just they stayed in the
00:59:35 house all the time never came out
00:59:39 weird
00:59:41 that’s uh I can imagine
00:59:44 um that I I don’t know him so I can’t
00:59:47 say what the motivation was on for that
00:59:48 but I can imagine some motivations but I
00:59:51 I really don’t know him so I can’t say
00:59:53 but
00:59:55 um yeah
00:59:57 most mainstream movies
01:00:00 are Gnostic and I I can I see it more
01:00:04 and more and more quickly than I used to
01:00:06 they’re subject and there’s subject
01:00:08 material that they are taken from is
01:00:11 Gnostic as well yeah in fact um those
01:00:15 who believe in the Gnostic Gospels
01:00:17 they’ll go on Reddit when these movies
01:00:19 come out and talk about oh here’s this
01:00:22 Gnostic feature in this movie and so the
01:00:26 people who study this as as their
01:00:29 religion see it in these movies
01:00:32 um it’s all over
01:00:33 I and I I see it in fact this might be a
01:00:36 good set of way to talk about Lord of
01:00:38 the Rings a little bit which is gnostic
01:00:42 um I know a lot of people believe Jay
01:00:46 are our token I think I said his name
01:00:50 right yes you actually said his name
01:00:52 right this time okay I’m impressed Steve
01:00:54 I really am all right anyways I I know
01:00:58 he was a Catholic but
01:01:02 I don’t
01:01:04 from what I see in his writings
01:01:07 I don’t believe he was a follower of the
01:01:10 Messiah so
01:01:12 um I I know our little group here has
01:01:15 talked about how wanting to expose
01:01:16 things and I I haven’t watched the
01:01:20 recent ones
01:01:21 because I’ve been busy working on other
01:01:23 things but I did recently watch the 1978
01:01:27 Edition
01:01:28 which
01:01:30 has some really nice stuff in it too oh
01:01:33 yeah it does it doesn’t have as much as
01:01:35 the current one but it is much shorter
01:01:37 so that was the reason I went with that
01:01:40 one and the thing I like about the
01:01:42 shorter one so I
01:01:45 I was not into the Lord of the Rings I
01:01:47 mean I saw them I thought they were nice
01:01:49 but at the same time even when I saw
01:01:51 them I saw some things in it that I saw
01:01:52 concerning but I didn’t really worry
01:01:54 about it right it was before I really
01:01:56 woke up so I was like okay whatever I
01:01:58 went on with my life
01:02:00 but
01:02:03 um with meeting with you guys and
01:02:05 talking about it and I think it was Zach
01:02:07 that got us on the subject of remember
01:02:09 right is that right Zach I think
01:02:13 anyways about looking at the Lord of the
01:02:16 Rings
01:02:17 probably
01:02:19 um
01:02:19 I did bring up the book I had right
01:02:23 um but I I watched the
01:02:25 1978 Edition and I like that Edition
01:02:30 because it was only like two hours and
01:02:31 10 minutes
01:02:33 instead of like four hours for one on
01:02:36 the extended on the current
01:02:37 and so I
01:02:40 I just I I have a couple things that I
01:02:42 think I want to bring out and then I
01:02:44 know
01:02:45 Ben and Matt have made some notes also
01:02:48 which they haven’t shared too much on so
01:02:50 maybe we could spend a little time
01:02:51 talking about because it kind of goes
01:02:52 along with the subject we’ve been
01:02:54 talking about and unless anybody has
01:02:56 some questions they want to ask because
01:02:58 that’s
01:03:00 um kind of what I like to focus on but
01:03:02 it’s just kind of going along with the
01:03:03 how the natural flow of things right now
01:03:08 okay no one’s picking up so we’ll just
01:03:10 go with that so
01:03:13 um
01:03:14 so one that Zach was asking you about
01:03:17 one time that I I didn’t have an idea on
01:03:20 sariman did I say that right sorry man
01:03:24 the white I do believe represents the
01:03:28 Gentiles okay and let me explain why
01:03:30 okay and I don’t have it in the notes
01:03:32 but this is why I believe so
01:03:36 so him and Gandalf uh when they when
01:03:39 Gandalf goes and talks to him right that
01:03:42 they talk about how
01:03:45 they were on the same team originally
01:03:47 right
01:03:48 and Gandalf is paganism okay and we’ll
01:03:51 get into that in a little bit
01:03:53 um but but then sariman then converted
01:03:58 into the truth or believing in Yahweh or
01:04:04 um
01:04:05 yeah because the thing that you have to
01:04:07 well okay so
01:04:09 backtrack a little bit okay there are
01:04:11 some things that you have to realize
01:04:12 with Gnostic literature agnostic movies
01:04:15 all of these things
01:04:17 bad is good good is bad yes so for the
01:04:22 foundational knowledge
01:04:24 you have to realize that since the Lord
01:04:28 of the Rings is actually a gnostic work
01:04:32 um
01:04:34 Sauron
01:04:36 is actually God
01:04:38 yeah he’s the the father aspect of God
01:04:41 because I I would
01:04:43 argue and we can go over in this smeagle
01:04:46 is the Sun
01:04:51 well yeah because it’s because it’s
01:04:54 smeagle who carries the ring into
01:04:55 carries the law Into the Fire yada yada
01:04:57 and and it’s eager because the ring is
01:05:00 the law yeah the ring is the law it is
01:05:04 and initially when we first started
01:05:06 talking about I wasn’t completely sure
01:05:08 but I’m I completely agree with you the
01:05:10 ring is the law for sure
01:05:13 um
01:05:15 in fact and on that point in the 1978
01:05:20 Edition when Smeagol was
01:05:23 was pulsing to uh pledge allegiance to
01:05:28 um Frodo he’s like I will serve the
01:05:32 master of the Ring right even just the
01:05:34 way that they say it
01:05:37 kind of makes it obvious right yeah and
01:05:40 so these are these are things that you
01:05:43 have to understand when you are dealing
01:05:45 with
01:05:47 um
01:05:47 gnostic
01:05:49 stuff
01:05:51 Gnostic material is that good is bad
01:05:55 and bad is good right which uh was it
01:06:00 Moroni seven and Isaiah I forget the
01:06:03 chapter in Isaiah that states it but
01:06:06 um Mona 7 and Isaiah does bring out how
01:06:09 in the end days good will look evil and
01:06:12 evil will look good and part of Satan’s
01:06:16 plan on doing that is
01:06:18 these movies right
01:06:23 but on one point that I partly to me
01:06:28 confirms that smeagle is the sun rather
01:06:30 than just a prophet he uses Majestic
01:06:33 plural
01:06:35 he yes he talks about himself as
01:06:37 multiple
01:06:39 people
01:06:40 right instead of one and that’s the
01:06:43 Majestic plural and and how I’m reading
01:06:46 Lord of the Rings he’s using Majestic
01:06:49 plural to make smeagle look crazy but
01:06:52 when it actually shows that he’s royalty
01:06:55 or a judge with someone above us
01:07:00 um
01:07:01 so anyways it’s the Majestic Pro in fact
01:07:05 in one sense it is two because it’s the
01:07:08 father and the son but
01:07:11 um anyways
01:07:13 sauron’s the father and Smeagol is the
01:07:16 son
01:07:18 okay yeah I see how you have it broken
01:07:21 down Bilbo’s ancient Jews yeah I tend to
01:07:25 think
01:07:26 um on Frodo I wonder if he’s represents
01:07:30 the fake Jews and this is where I’m not
01:07:32 really sure on
01:07:34 yet
01:07:36 um it’s something along those lines
01:07:37 anyways I need to think about Frodo more
01:07:41 um because one thing that’s interesting
01:07:42 there’s a common theme in all these
01:07:46 gnostic
01:07:48 themes or or even there’s a few positive
01:07:50 ones that I actually like that I would
01:07:52 say actually teaches it correctly
01:07:55 but there’s a common thing that the good
01:07:58 guys and the bad guys both have
01:08:02 two key people
01:08:04 right right
01:08:07 um and
01:08:09 a lot of times one is tall and skinny
01:08:12 and the other one’s short and fat which
01:08:14 is goes along with Frodo and Sam
01:08:17 yeah
01:08:19 um so you say Sam is Jews who like the
01:08:21 law
01:08:22 possibly
01:08:24 and I don’t I I Sam just one what I see
01:08:30 in Sam is somebody who just wants to
01:08:32 help Proto finish yeah and so this note
01:08:35 was more going off of something that you
01:08:36 said in the past
01:08:38 um which I saw as a possibility I’m less
01:08:41 so now on that and so
01:08:43 um it basically Sam is the faithful
01:08:46 sidekick
01:08:47 yes Sam is the faithful sidekick which
01:08:51 um
01:08:52 it is generally even the case because
01:08:55 generally because he’s the fat and short
01:08:57 one which in when it deals with um the
01:09:01 church and state
01:09:02 the the churches the the follower and
01:09:07 the fat one and
01:09:09 this I mean sorry the the government is
01:09:13 the fat and short one who just follows
01:09:16 what the state tells them to do
01:09:18 and it’s the tall and skinny one that is
01:09:20 the church
01:09:21 which also goes along with the
01:09:25 um like the Jesuit
01:09:28 oath that they’re um
01:09:32 so they’ll give up everything right
01:09:34 which actually kind of goes along with
01:09:36 the LDS bringing my Tempo oath too which
01:09:39 is based off the cold
01:09:41 that the religious orders actually say
01:09:46 that we’ll give up everything which
01:09:48 actually I see also with Peter James and
01:09:50 John when they say how much do you have
01:09:53 oh I forget in the wording but
01:09:56 how much money do you have right we have
01:09:58 enough to suffice or something that
01:10:00 effect basically just for our needs yeah
01:10:03 which goes along with the Jesuit
01:10:07 um oath but anyways yep indeed indeed
01:10:10 and so yeah
01:10:14 Frodo is something wrong lines maybe
01:10:16 he’s represents the
01:10:18 um Jesuit order or something along those
01:10:20 lines and Sam is more along
01:10:23 the
01:10:25 faithful sidekick or the black Church
01:10:27 White Church in Black Church White
01:10:29 Church
01:10:30 es black church
01:10:34 that could be and this is where I
01:10:36 haven’t done enough thought on it yet
01:10:37 but I would think more along the lines
01:10:39 Frodo is the church and Sam is the
01:10:42 government is more what I would lean
01:10:44 towards but I need to think about that
01:10:46 one more myself I I don’t I’m not sure
01:10:49 well
01:10:51 don’t don’t leave and don’t don’t simply
01:10:56 um
01:10:57 don’t simply just cut out the idea of
01:11:01 black church white church because
01:11:03 they’re on the same team
01:11:05 they’re on correct it’s two wings of the
01:11:08 same bird like the Democrats and the
01:11:10 Republicans I I completely agree on that
01:11:12 so I so I say don’t rule out black
01:11:15 Church White Church sure and I I still
01:11:18 because I I listened to some interviews
01:11:21 from
01:11:22 Jay our Tolkien and in one of those
01:11:26 interviews he did somewhat
01:11:28 allude to that the hobbits are the Jews
01:11:31 and so I do think Frodo has more likely
01:11:34 to do with something to do with the Jews
01:11:36 maybe the fake Jews
01:11:38 like who control Israel right now but
01:11:40 anyways
01:11:41 um along those lines but I’m I’m still
01:11:44 not completely
01:11:45 sure on on the very different aspects
01:11:48 because there’s well the main thing
01:11:49 about the hobbits the main thing about
01:11:51 the hobbits is that the ring just does
01:11:52 not in fact it does not seem to affect
01:11:54 them
01:12:00 but yeah but it takes a while sure
01:12:03 actually the book takes a lot longer
01:12:05 than the movie does so and that could be
01:12:09 I I have and so the point is the journey
01:12:12 in the book takes place over over a
01:12:15 month over I think three years yeah
01:12:19 this is I wonder I wonder if it’s three
01:12:23 and a half just thinking out loud yeah
01:12:25 that’s possible just because of the
01:12:28 symbolism that goes with that and some
01:12:30 things that people tie to that number in
01:12:32 fact one thing I I think maybe it was
01:12:34 Bobo uh oh yeah so here’s it may go
01:12:38 along with that so on this one’s site
01:12:41 they don’t show this in the movie but
01:12:43 Bobo
01:12:46 you know the
01:12:49 is it the uncle I think it was or yeah
01:12:52 the uncle of Frodo Frodo which is more
01:12:56 his ancient fathers right but anyways
01:12:59 it’s in in this one site it says he had
01:13:01 the ring for 60 years yes which goes
01:13:06 along with uh 120
01:13:09 jubilees which is six thousand years
01:13:13 yeah that actually that actually does
01:13:15 because in the occult you can take
01:13:19 um digits off and it still goes along
01:13:21 with it and so they’re
01:13:24 um
01:13:25 so sixty and six thousand is not a
01:13:29 stretch right they go along with each
01:13:31 other it just adds some zeros to the end
01:13:33 and so which also leads to the point
01:13:36 that
01:13:37 the ring is the law right because Bilbo
01:13:41 had it for the the Jews and the Jews and
01:13:47 the way that they look at it the Jews
01:13:49 have preserved in the way that they
01:13:50 would look at it is Jews have possession
01:13:51 of it because they don’t have
01:13:53 restoration knowledge
01:13:55 that the Jews have sole possession of it
01:13:57 for six thousand years
01:13:59 correct
01:14:01 um well
01:14:02 the Jews came with um
01:14:06 Abraham generally speaking but I can see
01:14:08 how Tolkien would have used the 60 SEC
01:14:12 slash 6 000 years to to show that right
01:14:15 right yeah it’s a little more obvious
01:14:18 there right
01:14:21 um so
01:14:24 um anyways I do think the ring race
01:14:27 um you know the the black people on the
01:14:31 horses going around looking for the ring
01:14:33 are the prophets because they also then
01:14:37 are seeking to take they’re bound
01:14:39 they’re bound to the ring they’re bound
01:14:41 to its fate and they are important they
01:14:43 have to serve it
01:14:44 correct yeah and they’re trying to bring
01:14:47 people to sorry on the father right
01:14:50 that’s their goal is to bring people
01:14:55 and the thing that you have to bear in
01:14:57 mind in the the thing that you have to
01:14:59 bear in mind the reason
01:15:01 the the thing you have to bear in mind
01:15:03 with regards to
01:15:05 [Music]
01:15:05 um
01:15:06 luciferians and gnostics is that the is
01:15:11 that God actually
01:15:15 the purpose of the purpose of God in the
01:15:18 law is to enslave us that is their that
01:15:21 is that is their Central that’s their
01:15:24 essential
01:15:25 that’s their Central and that is their
01:15:27 Central purpose of God and the laws to
01:15:29 enslave mankind
01:15:30 yeah they they think it it
01:15:33 it makes it so they can’t do what they
01:15:35 want
01:15:36 it’s yeah that’s one of the core tenets
01:15:40 of luciferian Doctrine is that God and
01:15:42 the law are seeking to enslave mankind
01:15:45 to do what they want and this is why
01:15:47 when you read the language that with
01:15:49 which
01:15:51 um Tolkien describes the ring you have
01:15:54 to realize that he is painting a very
01:15:57 luciferian description of the law then
01:16:00 when you read the language that he uses
01:16:03 to describe Sauron you realize that he’s
01:16:05 actually paying you know very luciferian
01:16:07 picture of God
01:16:09 especially if you’ve spent much time uh
01:16:14 especially if you’ve spent much time
01:16:16 delving into luciferianism right so we
01:16:19 got sidetracked I think what we ought to
01:16:21 do at least what comes to my mind right
01:16:23 now I want to finish a little bit more
01:16:25 about
01:16:26 Saruman and the white wall I think he’s
01:16:28 the Gentiles and then we ought to go
01:16:31 um read the wording that displays on the
01:16:35 ring because I think that helps just
01:16:36 show that the ring is the law but so one
01:16:42 thing that’s interesting when Gandalf
01:16:44 the Gray came and visits sariman
01:16:48 hopefully I said that right
01:16:50 um Saruman he you know Saruman shows
01:16:54 that he’s now converted
01:16:57 um right the Gentiles and then he puts
01:16:59 gond off the gray on a tower or
01:17:01 basically he’s in prison
01:17:03 and what saves Gandalf from this it’s an
01:17:07 eagle which is symbolic of Rome
01:17:14 which room saves paganism yeah Rome says
01:17:18 paganism and that’s that’s that’s
01:17:20 historical
01:17:22 right
01:17:23 uh Rome saved it they they converted it
01:17:27 some but they basically did say that
01:17:30 right in fact it’s interesting along
01:17:33 with the oh with the doors there’s seven
01:17:36 dwarfs and that has to do with the Seven
01:17:38 Kingdoms in the Book of Revelation that
01:17:40 you know helps in these days
01:17:44 Mark are you talking about seven
01:17:45 churches
01:17:47 uh
01:17:48 uh well I’m more talking about the seven
01:17:50 beasts
01:17:51 um oh okay
01:17:53 the the which was ten kingdoms and then
01:17:58 got into to seven right
01:18:01 um which is historic and but the way
01:18:03 that that’s represented in a lot of
01:18:05 places are dwarfs like Snow White and
01:18:08 the Seven Dwarfs
01:18:10 in fact I have a commentary on that just
01:18:12 a Shameless plug
01:18:14 um
01:18:16 with those the Seven Kingdoms and their
01:18:19 dwarfs because they have no real power
01:18:22 that’s why they’re short
01:18:24 um but anyways but it is an eagle that
01:18:28 saves
01:18:30 paganism or Gandalf the Gray
01:18:34 um which is what actually happened in
01:18:36 history because
01:18:37 the Gentiles were converting right they
01:18:40 were starting to believe but it was
01:18:42 wrong that perverted it and saved
01:18:45 paganism
01:18:47 in fact
01:18:49 um along with that I would say Gandalf
01:18:52 is the system of the Beast okay and now
01:18:56 it’s interesting
01:18:58 initially he is gray
01:19:01 the mixture of black and white okay it
01:19:04 was it was obvious back in the old days
01:19:07 it was after he met with the demon that
01:19:12 went down to the center of Earth
01:19:15 but then he came back later and we’re
01:19:18 getting that uh I’ll just say that now
01:19:21 um he came back years later as gond off
01:19:26 the white just like the Catholic church
01:19:27 now makes paganism look good
01:19:30 and it took a while in fact the event of
01:19:34 the Angel of Death
01:19:36 I would call it and especially the way
01:19:39 they presented in the 78 video it’s the
01:19:42 angel of death is that thing that Gand
01:19:45 off the balrog the ball roll yeah I
01:19:48 can’t I don’t remember all the names
01:19:49 sorry but that
01:19:51 balrog is a representation of the Angel
01:19:54 of Death because he had his flaming
01:19:56 sword
01:20:00 and oh yeah and the whip yeah
01:20:04 um like at the temple
01:20:06 um yep but
01:20:08 Gandalf would not let him continue and
01:20:12 that’s what made him go into the the the
01:20:14 depth of the center of the earth just
01:20:16 like when Yeshua
01:20:18 died on the cross he went into the heart
01:20:20 of the Earth
01:20:22 and Gandalf went down with him because
01:20:25 gond off the gray disappeared
01:20:28 at that same point pretty much I mean
01:20:30 not exactly then but with the apostles
01:20:33 especially Paul going out to the world
01:20:36 it
01:20:37 kind of got rid of
01:20:39 the traditional paganism right but then
01:20:43 Gandalf the White came back
01:20:47 much later he didn’t come back
01:20:49 immediately it was much later just like
01:20:50 the Catholic Church came on the scene
01:20:53 later or this mixture of paganism
01:20:57 and Christianity really came out
01:21:00 years later I mean it didn’t start with
01:21:02 Constantine Constantine just kind of
01:21:04 canonized it because it is probably
01:21:06 around 100 started before
01:21:08 150 but I mean even in the letters the
01:21:13 the apostasy had started before the last
01:21:17 the apostles was cold yeah because it’s
01:21:19 in the New Testament they’re they’re
01:21:20 warning people yeah there’s teachers
01:21:22 Among Us right now that are you know
01:21:24 corrupting things
01:21:25 um that’s not an exact quote but that’s
01:21:27 that’s the summary right and so
01:21:30 um it wasn’t right away
01:21:32 right away it was pure
01:21:35 but a little bit later just like going
01:21:37 off the white showed up a little bit
01:21:39 later
01:21:41 um so I
01:21:43 I would call Gandalf
01:21:46 the two it’s the system of the Beast
01:21:48 before it was completely black and white
01:21:50 gray and then later he got the white
01:21:56 covering of it that made it look white
01:21:59 although at its core it’s still the same
01:22:01 but it looks it’s been baptized right
01:22:05 and the words of the Catholic paganism
01:22:07 has been baptized and thus
01:22:10 that which is worshiping is the amorites
01:22:14 is actually
01:22:16 no it’s not
01:22:19 that’s been baptized that practice has
01:22:22 been baptized we can celebrate Christmas
01:22:25 we can celebrate the percalia
01:22:28 actually you mean Saturn area I have a
01:22:32 so yeah Saturday we can celebrate
01:22:34 Saturday yeah we baptized it into
01:22:36 Christmas we can sell we can celebrate
01:22:39 baptized at the same Valentine’s
01:22:44 we can celebrate Ishtar because we did
01:22:46 we baptized it into Easter
01:22:49 yeah
01:22:51 um
01:22:52 I I know you’re joking around but that’s
01:22:54 what people say I’m not I’m joking and
01:22:58 I’m not yeah I know you’re you’re being
01:23:00 serious and not at the same time but so
01:23:04 Christ or the Messiah was never in
01:23:06 Christmas keep Saturn and Saturday yeah
01:23:09 because that’s what it’s about
01:23:12 oh but anyways enough of that that’s
01:23:15 true
01:23:16 um
01:23:17 but hopefully with those um
01:23:21 okay do you want the you want the words
01:23:24 and
01:23:26 Gandalf I hopefully makes it clear why I
01:23:30 believe Gandalf is the system of the
01:23:35 Beast and Saruman is the Gentiles
01:23:39 and
01:23:41 well that’s actually not a that’s not a
01:23:43 bad it’s not a bad characterization
01:23:47 um I think it’s I think it’s something
01:23:49 that we can work with as we go through
01:23:51 the film oh sure I I mean 100 sure but
01:23:54 that’s what makes sense to me and I’m
01:23:56 sure you I don’t know if you have some
01:23:58 notes on those two characters yourself
01:23:59 we could well but but well let me let me
01:24:03 say let me quote what’s written on the
01:24:05 ring so that we can understand why
01:24:07 that’s right I forgot about that so let
01:24:09 me
01:24:11 let’s go back to that it’s a good thing
01:24:12 you remembered to do that because I
01:24:14 forgot
01:24:15 well you know that’s why
01:24:19 yeah someone’s got to keep me honest
01:24:21 right
01:24:23 but what about the Return of the King
01:24:27 ah uh well well we’re getting there
01:24:31 um we’re getting there let’s let’s uh
01:24:33 let’s uh
01:24:36 uh
01:24:37 and what are you doing I’m trying to
01:24:39 make the writing
01:24:45 yeah
01:24:48 there we go that’ll give it to us yeah
01:24:51 I’m not going to read it in dark speech
01:24:54 because that’s actually
01:24:56 um
01:24:58 that’s not something made up
01:25:01 uh I tend to agree with you I haven’t
01:25:03 done all that that’s not something that
01:25:05 was made up
01:25:06 I tend to view them that is that okay
01:25:09 but uh where it is gonna go the entire
01:25:12 plot
01:25:14 yeah this is the one right here yep one
01:25:18 ring to rule the ball one ring to find
01:25:21 them one ring to bring the mall and in
01:25:25 the darkness finds them in the land of
01:25:28 Mordor where the Shadows fly
01:25:33 yeah and so one ring to rule them all
01:25:36 we’re all going to be ruled by the law
01:25:38 I mean even if we go look at DNC 76 it’s
01:25:43 one Kingdom
01:25:44 different glories all ruled by one law
01:25:51 uh one ring to find them
01:25:54 um no one can hide from the law
01:25:58 like Judgment Day
01:26:00 the good and the evil the bond of the
01:26:03 free
01:26:04 The Young and the old are all going to
01:26:07 be judged by the law all right you can’t
01:26:11 escape the law it’s going to find you
01:26:14 one ring to bring them all
01:26:18 and in darkness buying them so and then
01:26:23 this is this is once again the Gnostic
01:26:26 description of what the law is it’s
01:26:29 slavery it’s Darkness it’s Superstition
01:26:32 you hear it repeated by scientists and
01:26:35 atheists of all stamps this is what the
01:26:39 law is to these people so if you’re in
01:26:43 the dark it will bind them
01:26:45 it will bind you to hell
01:26:48 um I will be honest I’m not sure
01:26:52 what I can get out of that one ring to
01:26:55 bring them all and I that’s actually a
01:26:58 reference that’s actually a reference to
01:26:59 get this that’s actually a reference to
01:27:01 the Gathering
01:27:02 to what
01:27:04 to the Gathering
01:27:06 um yeah that’s a reference to the
01:27:09 Gathering that makes sense very good
01:27:11 point I yeah I see that now that you
01:27:13 bring it out
01:27:14 but the Gathering isn’t evil the
01:27:16 Gathering is yes but you’re missing the
01:27:20 point of a gnostic description good is
01:27:24 evil evil is good so when when a gnostic
01:27:30 per when somebody of a gnostic
01:27:33 persuasion writes a book
01:27:36 the bad guys are going to turn into the
01:27:38 good guys and the good guys are going to
01:27:42 turn into the bad guys
01:27:47 and so
01:27:49 that which is that which is of ultimate
01:27:52 good must become of ultimate Evil
01:27:57 correct
01:27:58 and so here they’re saying that the
01:28:00 Gathering is a bad thing where it’s
01:28:03 actually a good thing
01:28:04 is what’s bringing up and that’s a good
01:28:06 point that the one bring to bring them
01:28:08 one ring to bring them all yeah that’s
01:28:09 Gathering
01:28:11 um so I completely see that now yeah
01:28:13 yeah so the point is so the point is is
01:28:17 that
01:28:18 so much of this and so much of What’s
01:28:20 Done in this world now it’s done you can
01:28:22 make evil into good
01:28:24 did you want to say something Sue
01:28:27 so
01:28:30 no okay I guess this is to make is to
01:28:33 make evil into good is to make evil into
01:28:37 good and so when we
01:28:42 the whole thing
01:28:46 you know what I see here
01:28:48 what
01:28:50 I see the description
01:28:55 I see the way that religion was
01:28:58 described to me while I was in the
01:29:00 theater
01:29:03 you want to expound some
01:29:08 it’s there to the it’s there to put
01:29:11 rules on people
01:29:13 to judge people
01:29:16 to bind them
01:29:18 to make them slaves
01:29:23 that’s what I see
01:29:25 this is how
01:29:27 this is how luciferians describe
01:29:32 our Lord
01:29:34 and the law
01:29:35 yeah
01:29:37 yeah
01:29:38 even though
01:29:40 um
01:29:41 there though there is there is a way in
01:29:45 which
01:29:46 some of them believe some of them
01:29:48 believe that the Lord actually is double
01:29:50 crossing that Jesus is actually
01:29:52 double-crossing God
01:29:54 but
01:29:57 well either way that’s still making them
01:29:59 evil right that’s right
01:30:02 and so the the so the whole thing is
01:30:07 that what I see here
01:30:09 is the way that luciferians describe God
01:30:14 and his law
01:30:17 it’s a binder it’s a binder it is
01:30:21 it’s a
01:30:23 it makes it so I can’t do what I want
01:30:25 right and yeah well it’s not just
01:30:29 Stephen oh
01:30:33 it’s not even just about not doing what
01:30:35 you want
01:30:36 okay
01:30:38 it’s about they believe that the law
01:30:41 keeps us from reaching our from reaching
01:30:46 into godhood
01:30:49 yeah I can say that with what I know so
01:30:52 it’s not so much just they believe that
01:30:56 the law is what keeps us from reaching
01:30:58 our potential it’s the law that keeps
01:31:00 man from having Dominion
01:31:03 I from what I know I’ve noticed uh the
01:31:06 various aspects of gnosticism I I I can
01:31:09 definitely see that so that makes sense
01:31:12 and so this is how this would be how
01:31:15 they would describe the law
01:31:18 this would be how they would describe
01:31:20 the Gathering
01:31:22 bring them all and what is and in the
01:31:25 tale what happens to all that are
01:31:26 brought
01:31:28 at the end when Sauron Falls
01:31:31 they’ll die
01:31:35 well
01:31:38 they all die and are destroyed
01:31:48 yeah
01:31:49 so it
01:31:54 so I when I when I read this of course I
01:31:58 do have a jaundice View
01:32:01 I guess because I have been because I
01:32:05 have been because I have been involved
01:32:07 in this kind of thing before
01:32:10 but when I read this I read exactly how
01:32:13 I felt about the law when I was there
01:32:16 well you know Ben we’ve all made
01:32:19 mistakes I have to and if anything
01:32:23 um use we should use our past
01:32:25 experiences to help other people wake up
01:32:27 without them having to go right but my
01:32:30 point in bringing this out is that
01:32:35 this is why I see this as a gnostic tale
01:32:39 this is not somebody preaching the
01:32:43 glories of Christ This is a gnostic tale
01:32:47 yeah Gnostic as an anti-god
01:32:51 anti-issua no Gnostic as in the great as
01:32:55 in trying to accomplish the great work
01:32:57 trying to become god without obeying God
01:33:00 right right
01:33:02 sure that is the that is the great work
01:33:04 according to Aleister Crowley according
01:33:07 to uh and according to all the great
01:33:09 cultists from all right that’s one of
01:33:12 the aspects of gnosticism is to
01:33:15 because to do great work and the reason
01:33:18 why Aleister Crowley was apparently
01:33:22 fascinated with Joseph Smith
01:33:25 was because he saw in Joseph Smith
01:33:28 somebody who had in his mind what he saw
01:33:32 was somebody who had accomplished the
01:33:33 great work because he didn’t realize
01:33:35 that God was with Joseph Smith in
01:33:37 everything that he did
01:33:39 or I I almost wonder if it’s because he
01:33:42 liked the Brigham Young perversions of
01:33:44 what Joseph Smith did no he no he was
01:33:47 fascinated with Joseph Smith uh okay I I
01:33:50 didn’t know
01:33:51 yeah Alistair Crowley was fascinated
01:33:53 with Joseph Smith as a man
01:33:56 I am I and so that’s that’s uh that’s
01:34:00 something that is uh that’s something
01:34:03 that’s well documented you don’t even
01:34:04 have to search really hard it’s all over
01:34:06 Google
01:34:08 he saw someone who attained something
01:34:10 and that he would paint something
01:34:13 resembling the great work right but it
01:34:16 was because he was with Elohim instead
01:34:18 of doing on his own like Alistair
01:34:20 Crowley wanted to do it
01:34:22 right and so so this is this is what so
01:34:27 when I see this and when I see the darks
01:34:30 and when I see the spell language above
01:34:33 it
01:34:41 it’s just like uh
01:34:45 yeah
01:34:47 so uh like there it’s an Inca it’s an
01:34:50 incantation it’s an incantation meant to
01:34:54 meant to bend it meant to bend mind
01:34:56 meant to bend the mind of man against
01:34:59 the walls
01:35:01 yeah
01:35:02 um so just to keep reading because I
01:35:05 this is where I think this is a part of
01:35:07 the Ring also or maybe that’s part of
01:35:10 the that’s part of the poem
01:35:13 yeah that’s part of the poem that’s
01:35:15 before that that one okay has the spell
01:35:19 language over and it’s three rings for
01:35:21 the Elven Kings under the sky seven for
01:35:24 dwarf Lords in their Halls of stone nine
01:35:26 for Mortal men doomed to die one for the
01:35:29 dark lord on his dark throne in the land
01:35:32 of Mordor where the Shadows lie
01:35:34 one ring to rule them all one ring to
01:35:37 find them one ring to bring them all and
01:35:39 in the darkness finds them in other
01:35:42 words the purpose of the law the purpose
01:35:45 of the Gospel is to bind all sentient
01:35:48 beings in slavery
01:35:52 so I guess this is the whole thing that
01:35:55 was written on the ring and not just
01:35:57 this part okay so one thing as we’re
01:36:00 looking at this
01:36:01 um I do believe that the three rings for
01:36:04 the Elven Kings I I do believe
01:36:09 these um the elvens represent the Trion
01:36:14 God and there’s a couple reasons why
01:36:17 because they live in the forest and Deep
01:36:19 Forest has to do with paganisms
01:36:22 and it’s two kings and a queen which
01:36:27 follows the pattern of the Tryon God
01:36:31 because they have the two males and the
01:36:33 one female and that Trion
01:36:37 yeah that is actually good catch and
01:36:41 also one thing it’s interesting in the
01:36:43 19th so you’re saying the holy spirit is
01:36:45 female
01:36:46 no I’m saying
01:36:48 the holy spirit is the law and we can
01:36:51 get in that more later but the try on
01:36:53 God which is
01:36:55 different from the godhood okay the try
01:36:59 on God is paganism trying God is the god
01:37:01 of the mystery religion the Triune God
01:37:04 is the father God Son of God mother God
01:37:09 correct you find it in Catholicism in
01:37:12 Jesus
01:37:14 God the Father Mary and Mary that is
01:37:17 that’s the iteration you find in
01:37:19 Catholicism
01:37:19 [Music]
01:37:21 it’s uh
01:37:23 oh no I forget the names uh Nimrod I
01:37:27 forget the wife’s name and the son
01:37:28 Nimrod semaramus and uh tamus yeah
01:37:32 Thomas there we go
01:37:34 um that’s where at least
01:37:37 actually and guess where Baal comes from
01:37:41 foreign
01:37:45 Bale is Nimrod deified
01:37:48 is semiramis
01:37:51 she’s the queen
01:37:54 and then yeah and then the other is and
01:37:58 then tammuz is represented by different
01:38:01 people
01:38:02 in different uh in different entities
01:38:05 and different Pagan theologies for sure
01:38:07 but it all goes back to the mystery
01:38:09 religion so the three rings for the
01:38:11 Elden Kings the Eldon Kings would be the
01:38:13 uh the Elven Kings it’s the try on God
01:38:16 because at least in the way that I’m
01:38:19 doing it because right you they also
01:38:21 also live in the Deep Forest right which
01:38:24 is also symbolic of paganism and Saints
01:38:28 ways and also it’s interesting
01:38:32 um and this is in both versions the
01:38:34 current and the 1978
01:38:37 um the the Elven Queen
01:38:40 um resist
01:38:43 keeping the law right she she was
01:38:46 tempted with it and then decided not to
01:38:49 which kind of sounds like the Satan the
01:38:52 Fallen Angel right anyways
01:38:56 um but the main thing that I’m bringing
01:38:58 out here is she has her
01:39:01 um
01:39:03 her mirror or her
01:39:06 um
01:39:06 pool of water to to see a possible
01:39:10 future and I would say and she even
01:39:13 brings out how it’s possible because
01:39:15 they’re making plans that don’t always
01:39:17 come out to play the way they want they
01:39:20 can’t do real prophecy but they can do a
01:39:24 lot of self-fulfilling prophecy
01:39:26 right and there’s a difference whereas
01:39:29 the prophets in the Old Testament do
01:39:32 real prophecy correct but it’s
01:39:34 interesting prophesy things and we see
01:39:36 it on hold in front of us
01:39:38 correct and and they prophesy of things
01:39:41 that they don’t have control over where
01:39:44 that’s right the the cold do
01:39:46 self-fulfilling Prophecies of things
01:39:48 that they think they have control over
01:39:50 and sometimes they do right
01:39:53 um yeah well especially if people don’t
01:39:55 especially if people don’t
01:39:58 stand up or resist correct
01:40:01 um so and that also has to do more with
01:40:04 a prophecy has more of a god attribute
01:40:07 which is another reason why I would say
01:40:09 the elvens are the try on God
01:40:14 yeah the the mystery they represent the
01:40:17 mystery of religion right right
01:40:19 um so the Seven Dwarves I mentioned a
01:40:22 little bit it’s the seven of the ten
01:40:25 kingdoms
01:40:26 and that’s pretty
01:40:28 um you know the little ones that don’t
01:40:30 combine to be
01:40:32 the the the the don’t combine to be the
01:40:34 uh the you have three heads combined
01:40:37 into one
01:40:38 uh well no they were killed by one it
01:40:43 was three yeah so there’s the ten horns
01:40:45 yeah yeah yeah
01:40:47 depending on which it it version or I
01:40:51 should or or which Vision it’s ten horns
01:40:55 that then became seven right and then
01:40:57 there was one that came out that would
01:41:00 spoke blasphemies but anyways yeah Seven
01:41:04 Dwarfs are the seven out of the ten
01:41:06 kingdoms and nine is that nine is really
01:41:10 an important number
01:41:12 yeah this one’s nine is the number for
01:41:15 Satan um in fact I’m since I’m bringing
01:41:17 that up let me
01:41:20 let me show you
01:41:22 in the Hebrew language
01:41:24 [Applause]
01:41:28 so hopefully
01:41:33 so the ninth letter in the alphabet when
01:41:37 you go look at the petrographic version
01:41:40 of it
01:41:41 it’s a snake
01:41:43 I just like saying oh yeah ninth letter
01:41:45 of the alphabet yeah as a pictograph as
01:41:47 a snake that’s interesting Satan’s two
01:41:50 numbers two major numbers are nine and
01:41:53 six and here the nine represents Satan
01:41:57 um and
01:41:59 who is the the king of this earth right
01:42:03 or the God of this world whatever you
01:42:06 want to say it but anyways uh this has
01:42:08 to do with men and that’s who the
01:42:10 majority of men follow right
01:42:14 um and one for the dark lord on his
01:42:16 throne on his dark throne and of course
01:42:18 Dark Lord that’s the father that’s
01:42:20 Yahweh according according to it yeah
01:42:24 according to a luciferian
01:42:26 the father is the dark lord yeah
01:42:30 who seeks to enslave in fact I mean
01:42:34 the angel of death does is is
01:42:38 the dark
01:42:41 aspect I guess you could say or I mean
01:42:43 it’s but it’s well deserved when it gets
01:42:46 to that point right it’s because they’ve
01:42:48 done so many bad things but
01:42:51 um because I think that’s what’s being
01:42:53 represented
01:42:54 and who
01:42:56 in in The Lord of the Rings in that cave
01:42:59 uh when Gandalf said you cannot pass
01:43:02 right that’s yeah the angel of death
01:43:04 which is Yahweh or Yeshua right
01:43:08 and the Lord in the land in the land of
01:43:11 Mordor where the Shadows lie and so of
01:43:14 course
01:43:15 light becomes shadow
01:43:18 and darkness
01:43:21 right Glenda Mordor is heaven or the
01:43:24 promised land when the Shadows turning
01:43:26 evil good good evil it’s where the light
01:43:28 is right
01:43:32 I mean we went over the one ring and
01:43:34 then then they’re just repeating that
01:43:36 last sentence again
01:43:38 yeah
01:43:40 anyways
01:43:42 um
01:43:43 I I think that’s enough on the statement
01:43:45 on the ring unless anybody wants to say
01:43:48 anything on that
01:43:51 yeah yeah and so that leads us that
01:43:54 leads us to the
01:43:57 the returning King well hold on I still
01:44:00 have some nodes I I don’t okay or unless
01:44:03 you want to talk about that but I
01:44:05 I still have a few things I want to say
01:44:09 um but go ahead go ahead go on sure
01:44:13 um so
01:44:15 tree beard okay
01:44:17 um
01:44:18 the so
01:44:22 in in the series
01:44:24 uh Frodo gets
01:44:27 almost
01:44:28 uh with a sword next to his heart right
01:44:32 and they’re
01:44:33 was it Aragon’s like oh it’s a good
01:44:36 thing he didn’t hit your heart but it’s
01:44:37 getting close right it’s good thing the
01:44:39 law didn’t get written on your heart
01:44:41 because otherwise you’re gonna be
01:44:43 you know one of these Servants of Sauron
01:44:46 or actually that that that’s long before
01:44:49 they meet trigger yeah sure right but I
01:44:53 think more I’m bringing it out though is
01:44:56 okay when he go because he’s sick for a
01:44:59 while right
01:45:01 yeah then he goes to the forest with
01:45:03 tree beard and then he gets kind of
01:45:04 healed no he actually go he gets healed
01:45:07 in Riverdale oh yeah that’s right so I
01:45:10 remember Mary and Pippen are the one
01:45:12 Marion Pippen are the ones with
01:45:15 tree beard in fangler and Forest uh okay
01:45:18 all right so I’m remembering some wrong
01:45:21 but so one point though it’s still valid
01:45:23 that he got healed when he of
01:45:30 deep into paganism which is a common
01:45:33 theme
01:45:34 that the the deep forest
01:45:37 is where people learn things where how
01:45:40 it should be done in these Gnostic
01:45:42 movies which is where the elvens are but
01:45:46 in in just in like matter uh the two
01:45:49 other Hobbits uh Pippin and Mary they
01:45:55 got
01:45:56 helped by Treebeard which was in the
01:46:01 Deep Forest and so I would wonder if
01:46:04 Treebeard is Kabbalah which is actually
01:46:07 they represent it as a tree even right
01:46:10 and they talk about it a tree but
01:46:13 um well yeah I’d have to I’d have to see
01:46:16 a few more similarities sure sure I I
01:46:18 could go I’d have to see a few more
01:46:21 similarities I’m not
01:46:26 I understand I need to get some more on
01:46:29 that but one thing that’s interesting
01:46:30 along with this Forest that they’re in
01:46:33 which I think
01:46:34 um does represent represent paganism and
01:46:37 they’re horrible ways
01:46:40 um it was
01:46:41 Saruman the White and the
01:46:45 um
01:46:47 uh that works escaping me the Orcs the
01:46:51 Orcs yes the Orcs where they dig a pit
01:46:56 and they cut down these trees from this
01:46:59 Gnostic forest and was burning them in
01:47:03 the pit of Hell just like those who get
01:47:07 into paganism
01:47:09 and they don’t repent of it they’re
01:47:11 going to burn in the pit of Hell
01:47:15 and in the gospels when Yeshua healed
01:47:19 someone
01:47:20 a blind man and then he asked him what
01:47:23 he sees he said trees trees represent
01:47:26 human beings
01:47:28 so here’s a Rivendell and the Orcs
01:47:32 cutting down this forest or all these
01:47:36 people who are believing in paganism and
01:47:38 the Occult and pulling them down into a
01:47:42 pit where they’re burning it
01:47:46 it’s eisengard where the trees are
01:47:49 getting pulled out what was it oh so
01:47:51 maybe I’m getting some of the names
01:47:52 mixed up
01:48:01 a real hard
01:48:04 trees are wonderful trees are what bring
01:48:08 us the
01:48:10 uh moist weather and without trees
01:48:14 um we’re in deep doo-doo in in the world
01:48:17 trees are good foreign
01:48:23 I used to go out and and just love
01:48:26 camping and I loved being out in the
01:48:28 woods and in the forest and
01:48:31 Getting Back To Nature
01:48:34 um they have
01:48:36 the law of God written on their hearts
01:48:39 the trees do and when you’re out in the
01:48:43 forest the reason that it feels so good
01:48:46 is because the creatures there obey God
01:48:50 so I
01:48:52 so I do agree trees are good okay and so
01:48:55 I’m not trying to make
01:48:57 trees a bad thing in fact we are to go
01:49:00 to the tree of life which is symbolic of
01:49:03 Yeshua the Messiah right but
01:49:06 many symbols have dualistic
01:49:10 imagery in it in fact let’s just going
01:49:12 with tree and going back to the Garden
01:49:13 there was a treat of life which is
01:49:16 representing the Messiah and then
01:49:18 there’s the tree of good knowledge of
01:49:21 Good and Evil which is Satan’s tree so
01:49:25 there are good trees and bad trees in
01:49:27 the scriptures
01:49:33 the knowledge of Good and Evil that is
01:49:36 when they fell and sinned right and so
01:49:39 there is a tree in the garden that
01:49:42 represents evil
01:49:45 and that’s all I’m getting at I trees I
01:49:48 like trees I love climbing them and
01:49:50 they’re good for us they give us oxygen
01:49:53 so I’m not trying to say trees
01:49:54 themselves but they do have symbolism to
01:49:58 them and some of and some of the and I
01:50:01 will agree that some of the most
01:50:02 profound experiences that I’ve ever had
01:50:06 one of the most profound experiences
01:50:08 that I’ve ever had uh
01:50:11 in terms of
01:50:14 just being able to I put it was one time
01:50:18 I put my hand on a tree
01:50:22 and I was
01:50:27 and I was able to feel the light and I
01:50:29 was able to feel and I was able to feel
01:50:31 the light my life within it
01:50:38 there was a kind of a wordless
01:50:40 communication in the past
01:50:42 and it’s a really it’s a really profound
01:50:45 thing that happens
01:50:47 when we’re around nature when we’re
01:50:49 around these things but that doesn’t
01:50:53 and I love trees and I love being in
01:50:56 nature
01:50:57 like you
01:51:00 well I like nature too so I I’m not sure
01:51:02 speak again
01:51:04 the whole the with all these things
01:51:10 you have to realize also that there is
01:51:14 symbolism
01:51:16 that is both good
01:51:19 and Evil there is that
01:51:23 many symbols are used for both good and
01:51:26 horrible
01:51:28 and um
01:51:31 therefore you have to
01:51:34 therefore you look at it you have to
01:51:37 therefore when you look at the context
01:51:39 that goes around it you have to look at
01:51:41 the context in which it is given who is
01:51:44 The Giver what is their intent
01:51:48 um
01:51:50 and there and and that’s that’s where I
01:51:53 go from that’s where I go
01:51:57 uh thinking as I said
01:52:02 the symbolism within movies and I
01:52:07 have as much of a reverence for God’s
01:52:09 creation as anyone as anyone
01:52:18 does that make sense Sue
01:52:20 sure okay so but I it’s uh it’s so what
01:52:25 we’re not we’re not talking about trees
01:52:27 themselves being evil
01:52:30 we’re talking about trees as
01:52:32 representation
01:52:34 of people
01:52:37 you see what I’m saying
01:52:40 yeah so if you want I don’t have it
01:52:43 memorized but I can find it pretty quick
01:52:46 but there is fact let’s just talk about
01:52:50 that um
01:52:51 the quickest place to find it is in a
01:52:53 post that I did it’s just
01:52:56 it’s just more that it’s quick and handy
01:52:58 there
01:52:59 um
01:53:01 enough
01:53:07 no
01:53:09 so
01:53:14 let’s see
01:53:18 no that’s gonna be
01:53:22 oh okay so in Mark 8 24. and this is
01:53:25 after Yeshua
01:53:27 healed the blind man and so we could
01:53:29 look at the whole thing but I just have
01:53:30 one verse quoted and he looked up the
01:53:32 blind man after he was healed and said I
01:53:35 see men as trees
01:53:37 so
01:53:39 we can go look at the whole context Mark
01:53:41 eight
01:53:43 so let’s get that up
01:53:56 that here
01:53:57 um yeah
01:53:59 if you wanna hear this post that I have
01:54:04 that’s representing it’s it’s primarily
01:54:06 about the tree Life vision with Lehigh
01:54:09 but anyways
01:54:10 um
01:54:11 but it’s just handed your her and get
01:54:13 that verse I don’t have everything
01:54:15 memorized
01:54:18 in fact sometimes I I know the stories
01:54:20 and I’ll just go to my favorite search
01:54:22 which is Bing and I’ll search for it and
01:54:24 then I’ll go read the verse because I
01:54:25 can always remember the verses I
01:54:27 remember the histories and what they’re
01:54:29 teaching but okay so Mark 20 through
01:54:33 8 22-26
01:54:36 .
01:54:36 um are you willing to read those
01:54:39 two
01:54:42 um my screen is kind of small let’s all
01:54:44 right now all right
01:54:47 I can read it now did he made it bigger
01:54:51 versus
01:54:52 18.
01:54:54 22-26. yeah okay
01:54:58 and he cometh through bethsaida and they
01:55:01 bring a blind man unto him and be spot
01:55:03 him to touch him and he took the blind
01:55:06 man by the hand and let him out of the
01:55:08 town and when he had spit on his eyes
01:55:12 and put his hands upon him he asked him
01:55:15 if he saw ought
01:55:17 and he looked up and he said
01:55:19 I see men as trees walking
01:55:23 after that he put his hand again to his
01:55:26 upon his eyes and made him look up and
01:55:30 he was restored and saw every man
01:55:32 clearly
01:55:34 and he sent him away to his home saying
01:55:37 neither go into the town nor tell it to
01:55:40 any in the town
01:55:42 okay so he is Yeshua if that’s not
01:55:46 obvious Jesus
01:55:48 um but the the big Point here is when
01:55:53 the blind man was healed
01:55:55 he saw men as trees
01:55:59 well that’s the first time he was
01:56:01 touched then after that he gets touched
01:56:03 again and he sees every man clearly uh
01:56:06 sure right
01:56:07 um
01:56:09 uh the the main thing the main thing to
01:56:13 the the best way to actually point the
01:56:18 um
01:56:20 and actually point to the symbolism of
01:56:23 men as trees is the look to the prophets
01:56:28 mind
01:56:34 um
01:56:35 let’s see uh
01:56:40 so while he’s thinking uh one
01:56:43 story I think that shows that in in our
01:56:46 mainstream culture is Pinocchio
01:56:49 um in some versions of Pinocchio I do
01:56:52 like and some I don’t the
01:56:54 2019 Edition from Italy actually I do
01:56:58 like actually quite a bit and it teaches
01:57:00 good things
01:57:01 um but
01:57:02 uh Pinocchio is carved out of a tree and
01:57:07 in the 2019 Italian Edition it really
01:57:11 brings out how
01:57:12 um
01:57:13 that these trees represent men and I
01:57:17 think this is the verse they get it from
01:57:18 I I don’t know of one from the prophets
01:57:22 I’m there there could be I just don’t
01:57:24 know of one I’ve been trying to find one
01:57:25 but
01:57:27 um I think it goes a long long Pinocchio
01:57:31 is brings out how
01:57:34 minor trees and I I just see okay here’s
01:57:36 here’s an example of trees being trees
01:57:40 being used to represent men it’s found
01:57:41 in Isaiah
01:57:43 Isaiah chapter
01:57:45 Isaiah chapter nine
01:57:48 starting in verse 8.
01:57:53 okay I’ll read it and then you can
01:57:55 expound because I I don’t know that’s
01:57:57 not top of the head and so that way
01:57:58 you’re not always talking and okay
01:58:02 did you want to say something first
01:58:06 so we’ll just go into it and just read
01:58:10 it out of what I’ve got here
01:58:12 the Lord said a word on starting in
01:58:14 verse 8. the Lord sent a word into Jacob
01:58:17 and it hath lighted upon Israel and all
01:58:20 the people shall know even Ephraim and
01:58:22 the inhabitants of Samaria that Saiyan
01:58:24 pride and stoutants of our heart the
01:58:26 bricks have fallen down but we will
01:58:27 build with huge Stones the sycamores are
01:58:30 cut down this is a reference to people
01:58:33 these are the Tall Tree the these are
01:58:36 the the this is the fine wood but we
01:58:39 will build with cedar but we will change
01:58:42 them into Cedars
01:58:44 so they’re saying yes we’ve lost yes
01:58:48 we’ve lost
01:58:49 yes we’ve lost the sycamores but we’re
01:58:52 we’ve lost the second Wars but we’re
01:58:54 going to replace them with cedar so
01:58:56 yield they’re using trees for men
01:59:00 therefore the Lord shall set up the
01:59:02 adversaries of resin against them and
01:59:04 join his enemies together the syrians
01:59:06 before the Philistines behind and they
01:59:08 shall devour Israel with an open mouth
01:59:10 for all this is anger is not turned away
01:59:13 but his hand is stretched out still so
01:59:16 what we’re having so this is clearly an
01:59:19 indication of proud people yeah you put
01:59:23 you can you can take out some of our
01:59:25 Champions but we’ve got these Champions
01:59:27 that are going to come off they’re going
01:59:28 to kick your butt and so the Lord sends
01:59:31 in Syria to hear Down The Cedars of
01:59:34 Lebanon
01:59:40 which are which which Israel which the
01:59:44 Kingdom of Israel was where Lebanon is
01:59:47 now
01:59:50 hmm
01:59:53 I I could see that I hadn’t made the
01:59:56 connection of of the sycamores and The
01:59:59 Cedars being referring to men but I I
02:00:01 can see that
02:00:02 yeah sycamores the sycamores being
02:00:04 sycamore’s being trees from one area see
02:00:07 there’s green trees
02:00:09 yeah or or as you know the two different
02:00:12 men one set of men two different
02:00:14 churches right what yep yeah in fact
02:00:19 and churches are always made and how
02:00:22 does God Define churches the people that
02:00:25 are in them
02:00:28 are also soft wood and Hardwood
02:00:32 yes very good too yeah what yep and so
02:00:36 yeah and so that’s uh so to go along
02:00:39 with that the one that I can see more
02:00:41 obviously to me are the bricks and the
02:00:43 Houston the bricks are man-made and the
02:00:46 Houston or stones that are cut without
02:00:49 man’s hands right
02:00:52 um
02:00:53 which would go along with the sycamores
02:00:55 and The Cedars right and they’re and
02:00:57 what like especially yeah
02:01:01 and this so which one is the cedar soft
02:01:04 and the sycamores are hard
02:01:11 so okay yeah usually well I was saying
02:01:15 Cedars are soft it’s because usually
02:01:17 it’s the pine trees it’s usually the
02:01:20 evergreen trees for the softer wood but
02:01:22 that May
02:01:24 well Cedar
02:01:27 Cedar is you know Cedar cabinets that
02:01:29 the the wood that is used preferable for
02:01:33 furniture it’s you know not eaten up by
02:01:37 moth and and other things
02:01:40 sycamores are really soft
02:01:43 um
02:01:49 that makes sense and so the the bricks
02:01:52 would go with the
02:01:54 um the Cedars and the Houston with the
02:01:56 sycamores thing
02:01:57 so this would be an a BBA it just you
02:02:01 know anyways yeah he’s thinking about
02:02:04 he’s thinking about
02:02:06 chiasms on the brain anyways
02:02:12 thanks for uh thanks for clarifying that
02:02:15 for me Sue
02:02:17 and I’m
02:02:19 so that was that was that’s good yeah
02:02:22 the cedar being hard would make it make
02:02:24 sense and that the bugs are having a
02:02:26 harder time eating it
02:02:27 um
02:02:28 and I think the smell has to do some
02:02:30 with that but I can definitely see the
02:02:32 hardness also right because they’ll
02:02:34 break their teeth
02:02:37 sores are
02:02:38 commonly
02:02:40 um known to be
02:02:43 um homes for like one of those
02:02:46 woodpeckers and and bearers make their
02:02:50 homes inside sycamores sometimes and
02:02:52 yeah okay
02:02:54 it’s sigmoor sir
02:02:59 yeah I mean
02:03:02 this is just one of many instances in
02:03:05 Isaiah where sycamores are where trees
02:03:08 are people
02:03:11 sure
02:03:12 um and one that comes to my mind that I
02:03:16 know is somewhat controversial but I’ll
02:03:18 bring it up in the Book of Revelations
02:03:20 the the two trees
02:03:22 right I right oh yeah I do lean towards
02:03:27 that those are that’s actually that’s
02:03:29 actually in I believe that’s actually
02:03:31 Zechariah yeah I know Zechariah text
02:03:34 about it too I forget Which chapter so
02:03:38 um I I can do a quick search though to
02:03:40 find out it blows my mind the way Isaiah
02:03:43 refers to Oaks
02:03:50 and Oaks are hardwood just going off of
02:03:53 what Sue was saying earlier right folks
02:03:56 are hardwood all right which would go
02:03:58 along with the hard-hearted right
02:04:01 um
02:04:06 yeah
02:04:07 to
02:04:15 okay let’s see where’s the two trees in
02:04:17 Zechariah
02:04:19 uh so the two olive trees are apparently
02:04:22 Zechariah four and Revelations 11.
02:04:26 um
02:04:27 so
02:04:30 I have to go to bed uh sure hey
02:04:34 um anyways we this is probably enough of
02:04:36 how men can be represented by trees or
02:04:40 we can get into it more but I do think
02:04:42 if I I know those two trees are
02:04:45 controversial because there’s multiple
02:04:47 interpretations of it I do lean towards
02:04:49 I’m not 100 sure but I do lean towards
02:04:52 their two actual men
02:04:54 especially with the one some of the ways
02:04:56 it’s talked about in Book of Revelations
02:04:58 I I just
02:05:00 it only makes sense to me to be men but
02:05:03 anyways see you guys are really tearing
02:05:05 my heart out because in junior high
02:05:09 school and high school we read Babbitt
02:05:13 and then I read The Hobbit
02:05:16 oh and The Hobbit
02:05:19 is a satire on Babbitt
02:05:21 and the author of Babbitt was a really
02:05:25 bad you know like
02:05:28 um socialist
02:05:29 and
02:05:31 and
02:05:34 C.S Lewis came along and wrote The
02:05:37 Hobbit no Jay artist
02:05:42 okay well whatever
02:05:44 C.S Lewis and Tolkien were friends
02:05:47 yes and um
02:05:50 and they were very much opposed to the
02:05:53 socialism of
02:05:57 um
02:06:00 who wrote that
02:06:05 and they were all about Liberty in
02:06:08 Freedom and
02:06:11 um
02:06:14 and and when I read The Hobbit I tried
02:06:17 to talk to people this is a this is a
02:06:19 satire on Babbitt and nobody nobody
02:06:22 would listen nobody believed me nobody
02:06:24 would listen to me it was years later
02:06:26 when I found actual articles
02:06:30 um
02:06:31 showing that yes I was right that how
02:06:33 The Hobbit was satire on Babbitt and I
02:06:37 don’t know and then going Bob it is so I
02:06:40 I can’t comment on that
02:06:45 um while it was required reading when I
02:06:47 was in junior high but anyway
02:06:50 um
02:06:52 it’s it’s it’s about how bad
02:06:56 um
02:06:57 the capitalism is and it’s true I mean
02:07:01 capitalism is bad but it goes worse and
02:07:03 it it’s it’s very socialistic it’s
02:07:07 socialist right yeah yeah
02:07:09 the world view of ballot is the world
02:07:13 here’s the thing the world view of
02:07:15 Babbitt is openly dark
02:07:17 it’s open it’s openly dark
02:07:22 yes
02:07:23 absolutely and yeah so what better what
02:07:27 better response than to satire it with
02:07:30 something
02:07:31 that is not openly dark
02:07:34 so my understanding of The Hobbit is
02:07:38 um
02:07:39 that J.R.R Tolkien wrote it
02:07:44 after the Lord of the Rings
02:07:47 oh was it before did he write it before
02:07:49 I know it he wrote it before oh it was
02:07:53 wrong on that then yeah so the so The
02:07:56 Hobbit was written before the Lord of
02:07:57 the Rings
02:07:59 um the Lord of the Rings was basically
02:08:01 the Lord of the Rings is basically a
02:08:03 sequel
02:08:05 um the The Hobbit was
02:08:08 yeah yes
02:08:10 uh well no the original was one book
02:08:13 Lord of the Rings wasn’t it originally
02:08:15 one book and then later
02:08:20 there’s Fellowship of the Ring there’s
02:08:22 Fellowship of the Ring Two Towers Return
02:08:25 of the King now originally it may have
02:08:27 started off planned as one book but
02:08:31 there’s no way you’re going to get that
02:08:32 Tale in one book it’s four books the
02:08:36 first one oh okay right yeah so you have
02:08:39 The Hobbit then you have this and then
02:08:41 you have the then you have the sequels
02:08:43 which are the Lord of the Rings Two
02:08:45 Towers and
02:08:48 um
02:08:49 you know yeah and the uh
02:08:53 Return of the King
02:08:55 yeah yeah now the the thing is uh you
02:08:59 know so I really appreciate how you feel
02:09:01 about this because when I
02:09:03 first
02:09:05 when I first came to the realization of
02:09:07 what I was looking at
02:09:09 it broke my heart
02:09:12 me too so I love this story I love the
02:09:16 story I love it I love it to death has
02:09:19 any of you ever read uh Watership Down
02:09:22 no yes
02:09:25 no
02:09:27 yes I have
02:09:29 and how does that play into this
02:09:33 or does it
02:09:35 look
02:09:37 s
02:09:38 I I would it’s been a while since I read
02:09:41 it so I would have to read it again yeah
02:09:43 I mean it’s probably been
02:09:45 50 years for me
02:09:48 it’s been a while since I read it so
02:09:51 what to be strictly honest I cannot
02:09:53 speak knowledgeably about that book
02:09:57 just to
02:09:59 um emphasize or sympathize with you some
02:10:03 one of my favorite movies growing up was
02:10:07 the Labyrinth okay
02:10:10 good that’s dark well I didn’t know that
02:10:14 growing up I I liked it I did
02:10:18 um but it’s Gnostic just like the Lord
02:10:20 of the Rings and but it’s dark and the
02:10:23 Lord of the Rings is just the opposite
02:10:25 well I mean
02:10:27 let’s make sure we’re talking about
02:10:29 we’re talking about the same movie but
02:10:32 so
02:10:34 um because there’s a recent Labyrinth to
02:10:37 put out and that’s not the one I’m
02:10:38 talking about I’m talking no I’m not I
02:10:40 don’t know anything about the recent one
02:10:42 oh okay
02:10:43 yeah yeah
02:10:45 the thing is is that in almost all
02:10:50 that’s uh
02:10:51 that’s not the right and you didn’t
02:10:54 spell it right uh I don’t doubt that
02:10:58 there’s this there we go
02:11:01 from the first I saw anything about
02:11:03 Labyrinth it was dark it was obviously
02:11:07 dark
02:11:09 yeah I mean obvious to me my my I used
02:11:12 to go to my grandparents when I was a
02:11:14 young kid and they would pop it in and
02:11:16 let me watch it I I loved it but I now
02:11:20 that I have
02:11:21 woken up to things and arised and know
02:11:26 my scriptures more it it’s Gnostic all
02:11:29 over it all over it but I didn’t know
02:11:31 that growing up so you see and that’s
02:11:34 another thing I’m having trouble with
02:11:35 too is using the word Gnostic for dark
02:11:39 and evil to me the Gnostic Gospels
02:11:44 I’ve read the Gnostic Gospels and the of
02:11:47 course it was the LDS church but it was
02:11:50 all in there and
02:11:53 and when I think of Gnostic I think of
02:11:56 gaining knowledge and that you can’t be
02:12:00 saved without that knowledge
02:12:03 and I have never thought of gnosticism
02:12:06 as anything but a different less
02:12:11 paganistic Christianity
02:12:14 and now you guys are talking about
02:12:16 narcissism as though it is the word for
02:12:20 satanism
02:12:21 okay
02:12:25 [Music]
02:12:31 the issue is not with gaining knowledge
02:12:38 it’s the issue is when gaining knowledge
02:12:44 becomes more important
02:12:47 than becoming
02:12:50 and this is what we refer to and this is
02:12:54 when it stops being
02:12:55 agnostic experience
02:12:58 and starts being
02:13:01 gnosticism
02:13:04 so because the knowledge to the Gnostic
02:13:07 the knowledge is the most important
02:13:10 thing this is a very great this is a
02:13:13 very free
02:13:15 it’s a very Greek understanding uh
02:13:19 gnosticism came about as a result of
02:13:22 Christianity meeting up with Greek
02:13:24 philosophy
02:13:27 and so and so
02:13:32 and so
02:13:34 um
02:13:35 you know the uh and so what you have so
02:13:40 gnosticism is actually very Greek at in
02:13:43 the it’s very Greek and it’s
02:13:45 um
02:13:46 is very Greek and it’s understanding
02:13:49 and the Greek understanding of character
02:13:51 is that it is known whereas the Hebrew
02:13:54 whereas the Hebrew understanding of
02:13:57 character is that as is that is that it
02:14:00 is revealed as we make is that that
02:14:04 character is that our character is
02:14:05 revealed as we make choices a new
02:14:08 character can be revealed by new choices
02:14:10 whereas in the Gnostic the character is
02:14:13 something that is known it is
02:14:17 um it just is what you are
02:14:20 and so there are lots of things there
02:14:23 are lots of things and so so yeah go
02:14:27 back to the Hebrew and the Hebrew versus
02:14:29 the Greek
02:14:31 um but the but the point the point is is
02:14:34 that um the main problem with gnosticism
02:14:39 comes in to win
02:14:42 so we start by virtue of the Gnostic
02:14:46 there a lot of people a lot of the uh
02:14:50 Gnostic philosophers a lot of the
02:14:52 Gnostic Gospels
02:14:56 Center on us becoming like God
02:15:01 without
02:15:02 it
02:15:03 through Gnostic experiences rather than
02:15:06 through the atonement of Jesus
02:15:09 Christ yeah and and the
02:15:12 the Gnostic Gospels through various
02:15:16 means have been shown to be frauds
02:15:19 they’re not what they claim to be
02:15:21 um
02:15:23 yeah
02:15:24 they it
02:15:27 be that wherever you stand on that
02:15:31 the the point is is that the Gnostic
02:15:33 experience itself does not say that is
02:15:36 the atonement of Christ that saves and
02:15:39 the
02:15:41 the
02:15:42 and when we focus and when we focus on
02:15:45 the Gnostic
02:15:46 and the Gnostic experience is
02:15:50 the Gnostic experience is good
02:15:53 but there are people
02:15:55 who are I would say but my question is
02:15:59 this
02:16:00 who is more saved the person who is
02:16:03 humbly walked
02:16:06 in the light that they have received
02:16:09 who may never have had a gnostic
02:16:11 experience in their life
02:16:13 or somebody who’s had Gnostic
02:16:15 experiences and doesn’t walk in the
02:16:18 light that they have received
02:16:21 now the answer that will depend on what
02:16:24 camp you ask right
02:16:27 the gnostics will say the one that has
02:16:30 the knowledge
02:16:31 uh Yeshua will say those who are walking
02:16:36 in what they know I mean and and I don’t
02:16:39 expect anybody to have the absolute
02:16:41 answer to this question right now
02:16:44 what I’m saying is this is the question
02:16:46 that we have to ask ourselves is the
02:16:49 Gnostic experience more valuable
02:16:52 than the obedience
02:16:55 Than The Obedience that brings it about
02:16:57 well I I have an answer it’s obedience
02:17:01 obedience is the first law of Heaven
02:17:04 and well yeah go ahead Zach Zach wants
02:17:07 to say something yep
02:17:10 I don’t remember where in the Book of
02:17:12 Mormon or it says it I think it’s in the
02:17:14 Nephi what are the two books
02:17:17 and it says
02:17:20 of God
02:17:22 yeah
02:17:25 I I think that’s somewhere in second E5
02:17:28 but or first me if I and
02:17:30 anyways so and so like I say I don’t
02:17:34 discount
02:17:36 I don’t discount the value of that
02:17:39 experience with God at all
02:17:42 I am shaped by my experiences with God
02:17:47 so but I’m also shaped but I’m also
02:17:50 shaped by the character that I put on
02:17:55 those experiences
02:17:58 the baptism of fire the baptism of the
02:18:00 Holy Ghost and the being in the presence
02:18:03 of our savior yeah okay so let’s I let
02:18:07 me Sidetrack so let’s let’s get into
02:18:09 what what I believe Joseph Smith meant
02:18:11 okay so we’re
02:18:15 the baptism of the fire Holy Ghost I
02:18:17 talk a lot about in here
02:18:19 um so but before we get into that I want
02:18:21 to bring out Hosea okay
02:18:23 and first of all I just want to read it
02:18:25 in the chiasms because I have chiasms on
02:18:27 my brain anyways
02:18:30 um but Hosea 4 6 and I think this goes
02:18:32 along with what Joseph Smith was saying
02:18:34 knowledge okay
02:18:36 um my people so yahweh’s people are
02:18:40 destroyed for a lack of knowledge
02:18:42 because they reject knowledge right
02:18:51 A and A A and A B okay
02:18:55 and here’s the B’s I will object U
02:18:59 and thou shall be no priest unto me
02:19:04 okay uh now going back to A’s seeing
02:19:08 thou has forgotten the law and we’ll go
02:19:11 look at this but the the actual Hebrew
02:19:13 word Behind law is Torah
02:19:16 of thy Elohim and I will also forget thy
02:19:22 children so so the the connection here
02:19:25 lack of knowledge with forgetting the
02:19:27 law right so
02:19:30 so let’s go look at Hosea 4 6 on Bible
02:19:33 Hub and you can see uh law
02:19:38 that’s Torah I’ll go click on it the
02:19:41 actual little translation is Torah
02:19:46 yeah so the problem is
02:19:49 forgetting Torah
02:19:52 and
02:19:53 um
02:19:54 that’s the lack of knowledge
02:19:57 if you and which actually goes into the
02:20:00 baptism of the Holy Ghost uh which we
02:20:03 can well and this actually and this
02:20:05 actually ties into a post that I put on
02:20:07 Facebook a little yesterday I think
02:20:10 they’re talking about
02:20:12 let’s go look at that one
02:20:15 um
02:20:16 I think I know which one you’re talking
02:20:17 about I actually put it up through so
02:20:20 I’m gonna go there
02:20:22 um number 12.
02:20:24 um
02:20:25 uh maybe it’s not the one I’m thinking
02:20:27 was it this one
02:20:29 are you thinking it’s 84.57 oh okay
02:20:33 um
02:20:37 Alma chapter 12.
02:20:43 okay
02:20:45 we’re starting in uh
02:20:49 starting in verse nine
02:20:51 okay
02:20:55 [Music]
02:20:57 because this is how this is
02:21:01 this is how
02:21:03 the this is how
02:21:07 the Gnostic element and the law actually
02:21:11 interact according to the will of God
02:21:17 and now Alma began to expound these
02:21:20 things unto him saying it is given unto
02:21:23 many to know the mysteries of God
02:21:24 nevertheless
02:21:27 uh Alma 12 verse 9.
02:21:31 yeah sorry about that
02:21:33 so
02:21:35 part of it in a chaism right here
02:21:36 anyways
02:21:40 uh yeah if you yeah
02:21:47 hey Sue can you mute for a minute
02:21:52 okay and now Alma began to expound these
02:21:55 things onto him saying it is given unto
02:21:59 many to know the mysteries of God
02:22:01 nevertheless they are laid under a
02:22:04 strict command that they shall not
02:22:06 impart
02:22:08 only according to that to the portion of
02:22:11 the of his word which he does grant them
02:22:13 to the children of men according to the
02:22:15 heed and diligence that myths they give
02:22:17 unto him so we’re only supposed to
02:22:19 impart the Lesser portion
02:22:23 and be and therefore he that will harden
02:22:26 his heart because we have him part of
02:22:29 the Lesser portion that he will harden
02:22:31 his heart that the same has received the
02:22:33 Lesser portion anyway and that he will
02:22:36 that and he that will not Harden his
02:22:38 heart and therefore he who lives in the
02:22:41 Lesser portion doesn’t diminish the
02:22:44 Lesser portion but lives in it to him is
02:22:46 given the greater portion of the word to
02:22:49 him has given great in other words
02:22:51 greater experiences greater greater
02:22:54 wisdom and knowledge based entirely on
02:22:56 how we live it isn’t until it is given
02:22:59 unto him to know the mysteries of God
02:23:01 until you know them and fold and they
02:23:03 that will harden their hearts those who
02:23:05 Harden their hearts against this lesser
02:23:07 portion the law and the prophets
02:23:10 to them is given the to them is given
02:23:12 but it says here the Lesser portion of
02:23:15 the word until they know nothing
02:23:16 considering his Mysteries but this is
02:23:18 basically the same thing as Jesus saying
02:23:20 from onto he that hath not shall be
02:23:23 taken away even that which he has so
02:23:26 they’ll be they get taken down and down
02:23:29 and down and so the point is
02:23:32 yes
02:23:36 foreign
02:23:38 knowledge of God and his existence and
02:23:41 his properties and his characters is
02:23:44 absolutely important and we will gain it
02:23:50 as we do not Harden our hearts
02:23:55 so again the simple against the simple
02:23:58 things against the law and the prophets
02:24:02 correct so one thing I’m going to read
02:24:06 um one thing that
02:24:07 um from Ben’s favorite section DNC 88
02:24:12 and so verses 34-35
02:24:15 and again fairly sound you that which is
02:24:18 governed by law or Torah is also
02:24:22 preserved justified by the law Torah and
02:24:26 perfected and Sanctified by the same law
02:24:29 Torah so we’re sanctified
02:24:32 by the law Torah okay
02:24:36 because the same is referring up by the
02:24:38 wall right that which is breaketh the
02:24:41 law
02:24:42 Torah and invited not the Torah
02:24:45 but seeketh to become a law unto itself
02:24:48 and will is to abide in sin altogether
02:24:52 abideth and sin and cannot be Sanctified
02:24:55 by the Torah neither by Mercy Justice
02:24:58 nor judgment therefore they must remain
02:25:01 filthy still
02:25:04 now just another thing to go with this
02:25:07 let’s take all those references to law
02:25:10 and let’s replace them with Grace
02:25:14 okay
02:25:15 and you have exactly the same Doctrine
02:25:18 that’s taught in second Nephi chapter
02:25:20 25.
02:25:22 why does the Lord use law here instead
02:25:25 of Grace
02:25:33 I don’t know because I I’m not sure
02:25:38 okay first first Nephi
02:25:41 chapter one
02:25:43 verse 2.
02:25:45 The Book of Mormon was written after the
02:25:48 learning of the Jews right okay so what
02:25:52 is so what is the Jewish concept of
02:25:54 Grace
02:25:56 we found that as we were reading in
02:25:59 Hebrew math
02:26:02 Grace
02:26:03 is Torah which
02:26:06 in the broadest sense
02:26:08 is light and truth from heaven
02:26:13 combined with the power to live in it
02:26:19 so when Grace when Christ Grew From
02:26:22 Grace to Grace
02:26:25 it was law upon law
02:26:27 written
02:26:29 written upon his heart
02:26:31 by his own choice
02:26:36 and he Grew From Grace to Grace
02:26:39 and in favor with God and Men
02:26:43 and so
02:26:44 if we are to be as Christ
02:26:47 if we’re if we ever hope to go through
02:26:50 the veil we must be as he is
02:26:52 as much as we can
02:26:57 so and they’re wrong
02:27:00 okay well I thought you were done but
02:27:03 I’ve come across how Grace by Grace as a
02:27:05 Hebrew idiom for sanctification and we
02:27:09 just read house
02:27:11 goes back this goes in 25 23 is this is
02:27:15 by Grace virus saved after all
02:27:19 that’s 20 the second Nephi 25 23 that’s
02:27:22 the connection well I think it’s second
02:27:24 I think it’s yep 25 25 isn’t it look 25
02:27:29 23.
02:27:32 I’ve been uh
02:27:35 25 23 go on down
02:27:40 before we labor diligently to right to
02:27:42 persuade our children and that’s our
02:27:44 Brethren to Believe In Christ and we
02:27:45 reconciled to God we reconciled to God
02:27:48 as we as we offer our broken heart
02:27:51 contrite spirit for we know that it is
02:27:53 by Grace we are saved after all we can
02:27:55 do so when you take that statement from
02:27:59 Doctrine and Covenants 88 34-35
02:28:03 you replace it the word law with Grace
02:28:06 you have this exact same Doctrine right
02:28:08 here
02:28:09 yeah okay and therefore what is he
02:28:13 teaching us he’s teaching us how he
02:28:16 wants us to know about race
02:28:18 he’s teaching us what he wants to know
02:28:20 about what he wants us to know about
02:28:22 race that Grace is according to the
02:28:26 Hebrew concept law upon law Grace on
02:28:30 Grace we are Sanctified as the law is
02:28:33 written in our hearts
02:28:36 the law is not
02:28:41 um the law is actually not
02:28:44 the evil thing that binds us it’s
02:28:46 actually the very thing that allows us
02:28:48 to do these things to do these things to
02:28:52 have these experiences that we want to
02:28:53 have
02:28:54 because these experiences will happen
02:28:57 for us as we become like Jesus yeah and
02:29:01 to to go along with that the The Book of
02:29:03 Mormons and I can show verses for this
02:29:05 or even as we just or even as we just
02:29:07 commit to
02:29:12 fire and the Holy Ghost came with the
02:29:14 commitment and with with resolved action
02:29:17 when what I and what I knew at the time
02:29:20 to be true
02:29:23 and I got and I received the baptism of
02:29:25 fire in the Holy Ghost
02:29:28 therefore we know that that even the
02:29:33 commitment followed with the action upon
02:29:35 what that which we know to be true
02:29:38 will will grant us a level of
02:29:40 justification will grant us
02:29:43 justification
02:29:45 foreign
02:29:49 and the sanctification comes as we
02:29:52 continue in that way and sanctification
02:29:54 comes as we continue in that way and it
02:29:57 and and glorification where we are
02:30:00 brought into the presence of our where
02:30:01 we run to the presence of the Sun and we
02:30:04 are and we’re
02:30:07 it all comes as we become like him
02:30:13 and sometimes this involves spiritual
02:30:15 experiences and a lot often times
02:30:18 and oftentimes it also involves
02:30:25 the hard work of study
02:30:27 yeah so that way we know what the law
02:30:30 actually is right because there’s a lot
02:30:32 of confusion on what it is
02:30:34 and so it and so and so my point is
02:30:38 Grace
02:30:40 and law
02:30:44 go hand in hand
02:30:45 because it without the law there is no
02:30:48 sanctification as in dc88 shows and just
02:30:53 to
02:30:55 um add some emphasis to this
02:30:57 um for what Ben’s bringing out after all
02:31:00 we can do uh that’s repentance and there
02:31:04 are verses in the Book of Mormon that
02:31:07 shows that
02:31:08 let me get them
02:31:18 um and I was a trainee and I wasn’t
02:31:20 trying to kill everybody no no that’s
02:31:22 fine you you you were passionate about
02:31:24 that that’s fine I saw uh Alma 2411
02:31:29 shows us that all we can do is repent of
02:31:32 our sins now repenting is what returning
02:31:36 to the law right
02:31:38 um and
02:31:41 [Music]
02:31:49 thank you very much this has been very
02:31:52 enlightening so can you give me just one
02:31:55 second one one second I’ll I’ll make it
02:31:58 quick
02:31:59 um
02:32:01 let me go share the screen so
02:32:11 together
02:32:15 as we’re talking about batches of the
02:32:17 Holy ghosts
02:32:20 the
02:32:21 every part of the doctrine of Christ
02:32:25 deals with Torah and all just so I have
02:32:28 any localism because I have them in my
02:32:30 brain but a repenting to the law is
02:32:32 returning to the Torah be baptism of
02:32:35 water as a covenant as a witness of come
02:32:38 Covenant already made to keep Torah
02:32:41 baptism and fire is a witness that you
02:32:45 have been judged and found with a broken
02:32:47 heart and contrite spirit that you are
02:32:50 then cleansed of your past sins and been
02:32:53 justified by the law
02:32:58 because of yeshua’s merits
02:33:00 which goes along with earlier how we’re
02:33:03 Justified and Sanctified by law baptism
02:33:06 of the holy spirit is when we’re
02:33:08 Sanctified by the law Torah and have it
02:33:11 written on our hearts and seek to sin no
02:33:13 more and have the express image of
02:33:16 Yeshua in our countenance
02:33:18 anyways
02:33:20 um it helps some Sue and I I understand
02:33:24 how it’s sad to see
02:33:28 gnosticism
02:33:30 or anti-god or whatever you want to call
02:33:32 it in
02:33:33 yeah these movies
02:33:35 um I was sad when I first started seeing
02:33:38 it especially like ones that I grew up
02:33:40 with and and grew to love it was kind of
02:33:44 heartbreaking if referencing to that as
02:33:47 gnosticism struggles and causes problems
02:33:52 for you
02:33:53 there is there are there are lots of
02:33:55 other ways
02:33:57 and look at it as luciferianism
02:34:00 you can look you can call it
02:34:02 luciferianism you can call it
02:34:04 um
02:34:05 whatever whatever you want to
02:34:09 um
02:34:12 know that its focus is not on Jesus
02:34:16 Christ
02:34:17 right and I believe the knowledge that
02:34:21 Joseph Smith talked about is the same
02:34:23 knowledge that Hosea 4 6 is talking
02:34:25 about which is the law which DNC 84
02:34:29 talks about were Sanctified by the law
02:34:32 now if we’re not keeping it we won’t get
02:34:34 Sanctified by it what I have to call it
02:34:37 is family prayer and should I time okay
02:34:40 sorry I hear you good night
02:34:43 thank you very much
02:34:54 um okay so I I do have some more
02:34:57 thoughts on Lord of the Rings if you
02:34:59 guys want to stay up a little more
02:35:03 well that got a little that got a little
02:35:04 intense there well I I think it went
02:35:07 well I think so too I yeah only time
02:35:11 will tell
02:35:12 sure I don’t think she was trying to be
02:35:15 in it no I think will you say that word
02:35:20 antagonistic yeah I I think she was just
02:35:23 expressing her
02:35:25 concern or um her
02:35:29 communist dissonance with us at the time
02:35:31 and trying to get
02:35:35 um talk about it and get more
02:35:36 understanding as what how I took it as I
02:35:38 don’t think she’s being combative
02:35:40 yeah
02:35:41 well I I hope that something I said was
02:35:45 actually helpful um yeah
02:35:48 well anyways I I think it went well
02:35:51 um yeah so some other ideas
02:35:54 on so I think I did the tree bird where
02:35:56 I I think he is the occult kabbalism and
02:36:01 or Kabbalah
02:36:03 um as you know it’s the tree of
02:36:07 knowledge of Good and Evil
02:36:10 um but in that Forest that they’re being
02:36:12 those trees are being cut down and being
02:36:15 thrown into the pit of Hell and burning
02:36:17 okay I think I just mentioned that
02:36:20 um I think that’s what put it wrong
02:36:23 it is that’s when we started getting on
02:36:26 the she’s like trees are good and I’m
02:36:29 like yes
02:36:30 they they are but we need to look at the
02:36:33 imagery and and it they can be a little
02:36:35 off-putting right
02:36:37 um yeah that’s why I went to the the
02:36:38 Garden of Eden the two trees the Katrina
02:36:40 the battery
02:36:41 all right but anyways so another one I
02:36:45 think is important to bring out uh let
02:36:48 me find I forget the name so let me
02:36:53 oh King
02:36:55 being done
02:36:57 did I say that right
02:37:00 so I believe he represents the
02:37:03 Protestants
02:37:06 because at least initially he’s
02:37:10 listening to the prophets
02:37:12 um who is who
02:37:15 Saruman well he’s listening to sarova is
02:37:18 that yeah I have it in my nose yeah
02:37:20 Sarah sarahman Saruman has him under his
02:37:24 control undermine right right and so I
02:37:26 believe that’s the profits from the
02:37:29 Bible right but at the same time as time
02:37:32 goes on
02:37:34 he gets enlightened and lets that go
02:37:36 right
02:37:38 um
02:37:39 and that’s what I see with Protestants
02:37:44 today they’re letting go and they’re
02:37:46 embracing
02:37:48 uh the universal Catholicism I know
02:37:54 that’s something that’s probably not a
02:37:55 real word but and some of that is
02:37:57 because of the Jesuit priests
02:38:01 disguised as Protestant leaders and
02:38:04 they’ve been slowly introducing it well
02:38:06 it honestly what it honestly what it is
02:38:08 is
02:38:09 you don’t even have to
02:38:11 a priests as Protestant leaders
02:38:13 what you have to do is make sure that
02:38:15 the Protestant leaders have to learn at
02:38:17 Jesuit schools which is that’s happening
02:38:20 also but I do believe both is happening
02:38:22 okay you know I I think you’re probably
02:38:24 right but I’m just saying that it’s not
02:38:26 the one that the one isn’t is the one
02:38:29 that might not be necessary if they’re
02:38:31 fully in to the other if they if you
02:38:37 know if if all if all learning with
02:38:41 regards to religion is funneled through
02:38:44 Jesuit
02:38:45 control control yeah
02:38:50 then
02:38:52 they basically everybody is trained to
02:38:56 be a Jesuit implant
02:38:58 correct
02:39:00 um so I even the the sun where he goes
02:39:04 and kills the Orcs despite the
02:39:07 initiative of the king kind of also goes
02:39:10 along with how why I think it’s
02:39:12 partisans and how
02:39:15 uh L1 yeah I’m saying it wrong but
02:39:19 anyways or no not L1 um the one that’s
02:39:23 talking in his ear right I forget oh
02:39:27 worm talk
02:39:28 Worm tongue oh yeah that’s yeah that’s
02:39:32 the prophets okay he’s he wants to marry
02:39:36 the daughter just like
02:39:38 which is
02:39:41 yeah at least
02:39:42 okay yeah I think he wants to marry the
02:39:44 knees and it kind of like uh possibly
02:39:46 like the lever law right
02:39:49 and marrying in for the closest kin
02:39:55 um because obviously it should be
02:39:58 marrying two
02:40:01 Sauron or Smeagol all right but anyways
02:40:04 to go along with that imagery but
02:40:08 um
02:40:08 anyways those are some things that I I
02:40:10 came up and uh it sounds like you have
02:40:12 some notes and so maybe I I’m going to
02:40:14 stay up um longer to hear some of your
02:40:17 thoughts
02:40:19 um Ben and Matt because I think you guys
02:40:20 said you made some notes
02:40:23 well I
02:40:25 we’ve been I’ve been I’ve been
02:40:29 I have made some
02:40:33 uh
02:40:35 there are some additional nodes most
02:40:38 those most of the initial notes we
02:40:41 shared with you we haven’t really had
02:40:43 much of an opportunity to peruse much
02:40:44 more because just because we didn’t just
02:40:48 with work
02:40:49 I’m just
02:40:51 with work and uh
02:40:54 I’m most of my time is spent trying to
02:40:56 get people to see the validity of the
02:40:58 law oh sure sure no that’s fine you
02:41:00 haven’t spent too much and I I was slow
02:41:02 to watch the videos because I was or or
02:41:06 this video right because I was working
02:41:08 on other things but the it’s just a
02:41:10 little while ago I decided I just need
02:41:12 to do something and so I watched the the
02:41:14 1970 Edition which was shorter which
02:41:17 made it more reasonable to do right but
02:41:22 um because we’ve been talking about
02:41:24 doing this uh for a while and I hadn’t
02:41:26 put too much effort into his life well I
02:41:29 mean the whole point the whole point is
02:41:31 that it’s a huge gigantic undertaking
02:41:37 oh yes
02:41:38 um so this is where you do a little you
02:41:41 get some here and some there and then
02:41:42 the pieces start coming together
02:41:44 um and so
02:41:45 I I mean you know I think that we can
02:41:49 start
02:41:51 looking at the scenes with some of these
02:41:54 characterizations that have been put
02:41:56 forward
02:41:58 um we can start
02:41:59 sure and we can see and we can see if
02:42:02 they actually hold water within the
02:42:05 construct within the narrative construct
02:42:07 of the film
02:42:08 correct oh yeah all every every
02:42:11 hypothesis and theory has to be tested
02:42:14 correct so here’s another one I remember
02:42:16 before we float ourselves out there on a
02:42:19 raft to get blown The Smithereens
02:42:22 yeah these ideas need to get tested for
02:42:25 sure and that’s why we’re sharing with
02:42:28 each other right so here’s another one I
02:42:30 just remembered I I don’t remember the
02:42:34 the name of the guy but there was so the
02:42:37 fellowship had nine people in it right
02:42:40 there’s that nine again but anyways
02:42:42 there was Aragon
02:42:45 who are born Oregon or Aragon who I do
02:42:49 believe is Satan or something or maybe
02:42:52 the Antichrist the reason I I wonder
02:42:55 about it a little is because when
02:42:57 Aragon’s fathers cut the ring off of
02:43:09 it was
02:43:11 uh
02:43:13 cut the finger off now
02:43:15 that could just be an extra little twist
02:43:19 to make the story fit together well or
02:43:22 if that actually means something I don’t
02:43:24 know
02:43:24 um right and so that’s part of the
02:43:26 reason I wonder I a little bit about
02:43:28 Aragon but I’m still I’m more prone to
02:43:30 these things but anyways there was
02:43:32 another man on the nine right here
02:43:36 okay
02:43:38 I believe he represents Constantine okay
02:43:43 and I’ll tell you why
02:43:45 uh he
02:43:48 uh tried to he got along with Frodo and
02:43:52 he was tempting him to let him have the
02:43:56 ring
02:43:57 to to protect his kingdom
02:44:01 right right
02:44:03 and that’s what Constantine did he
02:44:07 he was a politician
02:44:09 he wasn’t Christian
02:44:11 like some people claim he though he did
02:44:13 make the nation a Christian Nation when
02:44:17 he saw the Gentiles converting so he was
02:44:20 using it to keep his kingdom together
02:44:22 right and then he perverted it and then
02:44:25 he apologizes to Aragon for doing it
02:44:29 which is one reason I lean more towards
02:44:31 Aragon is Satan right because he was
02:44:34 let’s say you can follow her the sun
02:44:36 worshiper plus plus who’s left in charge
02:44:39 after the law after anybody who knows
02:44:42 anything about the law is gone
02:44:45 um Aragorn
02:44:49 oh okay
02:44:51 okay that’s the giveaway right there
02:44:53 right there’s no need for further
02:44:55 characterization no but
02:44:58 um I I do think he
02:45:00 I forget his name again sorry
02:45:03 the the other human I do believe he
02:45:06 represents Constantine or someone like
02:45:09 that I think you’ve got about oh he
02:45:12 definitely got a validation
02:45:14 yeah it might not be exactly Constantine
02:45:17 but something along those lines but
02:45:20 that’s just the one that I know from
02:45:21 history that fits
02:45:23 quite easily right
02:45:25 uh because he wanted to use it for the
02:45:29 Christians to some respect to unite the
02:45:32 kingdom and protect us right playing
02:45:34 politicians then he felt bad about it
02:45:41 well I’m using a direct book
02:45:44 right from the movie it’s not I only ask
02:45:47 for the for the strength to defend my
02:45:50 people as direct quote from live action
02:45:53 movie
02:45:58 he claims to have seen the figure of a
02:46:02 cross to defend
02:46:05 his or it was something the fact
02:46:07 Constantine said under this symbol you
02:46:10 will you conquer yeah which is defenses
02:46:14 so that I think that even adds more
02:46:16 weight to what I’m
02:46:19 my theory but anyways yeah
02:46:23 but I forgot about that point but with
02:46:26 uh what Matt saying I think that adds
02:46:28 another correlation to that
02:46:30 yeah another corollary that’s for sure
02:46:35 wormer said that he had some type of
02:46:38 prison or something I like it image in
02:46:42 his head it was when he was in botherian
02:46:47 uh I don’t remember that but I think he
02:46:51 was referring to his mind
02:46:54 his mental States
02:46:56 oh okay
02:47:01 um we’d have to maybe get the exact
02:47:02 quote and look at it
02:47:04 um
02:47:05 because I I don’t remember that
02:47:08 but I I watched the 1978 Edition just a
02:47:11 few days ago once so it’s not like I
02:47:14 haven’t memorized completely
02:47:18 and
02:47:19 I I anyways it’s it’s a long movie
02:47:24 um and
02:47:25 I you know I was actually kind of
02:47:27 excited when I saw some of these
02:47:29 connections right yeah because yeah
02:47:33 to me they make sense but I this is
02:47:36 where we have to
02:47:38 prove them out and see if it really
02:47:40 really
02:47:41 um is yeah well not just my crazy mind
02:47:45 right and so
02:47:48 um I think it would be wise
02:47:50 if say us we us were to get together at
02:47:54 some point it’s not in a scripture study
02:47:57 session
02:47:59 uh sure
02:48:00 and go through it
02:48:03 start going through it testing some of
02:48:05 these characterizations
02:48:07 sure so I’m going to pause now okay
02:48:10 um
02:48:16 so
02:48:18 go back to sanctification a little bit
02:48:22 um
02:48:24 if we go
02:48:28 Heaven uh Celestial Kingdom
02:48:33 and uh here we go
02:48:37 those who overcame by faith and are
02:48:41 sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise
02:48:43 that is the baptism of the Holy Ghost
02:48:47 AKA sanctification
02:48:53 well why does the why does the Doctrine
02:48:56 and Covenants find the Holy Spirit of
02:48:58 Promise as the audience but savior
02:49:01 himself
02:49:03 ah do you know what verse that is we can
02:49:06 go look at that
02:49:07 um um
02:49:09 just look up Holy Spirit a promise it’s
02:49:11 not here in 76 okay
02:49:17 man I know it’s in the back of the
02:49:19 covenants oh that’s fine
02:49:21 I’m sorry I
02:49:23 [Music]
02:49:24 wow but now you get to you now you get
02:49:26 to use your tool
02:49:28 well let’s see if it’s in
02:49:30 here first this is quicker
02:49:34 um if it’s not here we’ll go use my tool
02:49:40 Holy Spirit of Promise go back up
02:49:43 [Music]
02:49:45 Holy Spirit of promise there we go
02:49:47 Holy Ghost
02:49:50 which one maybe stealing maybe ceiling
02:49:54 yeah
02:49:56 oh Syria
02:50:06 I don’t think that’s helpful
02:50:08 nope let’s go back
02:50:11 Holy Spirit maybe yep and go to Holy
02:50:14 Spirit
02:50:18 [Music]
02:50:28 let’s go share put
02:50:35 oh that’s 76 though
02:50:38 so I think what about yeah that’s so
02:50:41 many let’s try looking let’s
02:50:46 at this point I think to use the tool
02:50:48 unless you see something that points out
02:50:50 yep use the tool use the tool
02:50:52 because that that that’s being worthless
02:50:56 okay yeah they
02:51:00 and they’re it’s doing what the church
02:51:02 has devised it to do and that is to
02:51:04 obfuscate
02:51:06 yeah it’s
02:51:08 it’s good for some things but not for
02:51:10 others right
02:51:16 so let’s
02:51:18 again
02:51:21 uh it’s loading I
02:51:25 it takes a little bit
02:51:30 it doesn’t take this long when you run
02:51:32 the tool if you download it because it’s
02:51:34 not loading this
02:51:36 humongous program I just
02:51:39 it’s just where I do it because it’s
02:51:42 what I live in all day I I don’t know
02:51:45 why it’s taking so long right now though
02:51:46 to be honest
02:51:49 um close this
02:51:54 yep
02:52:00 you see my hard drive going like crazy
02:52:08 okay I’m gonna pause for a minute
02:52:10 okay
02:52:12 so we’re gonna do
02:52:25 pounds
02:52:31 does that one good or you want something
02:52:33 else
02:52:34 let’s see so I’m going to do the term
02:52:37 Holy Spirit and then another one promise
02:52:39 okay yeah that that should work
02:52:43 okay so rebuild just to make sure
02:52:49 and then run it
02:52:57 so ah
02:52:59 so there’s one in 88 DNC 883 so let’s go
02:53:05 yes that I think that’s the one yeah
02:53:07 that’s the one it’s in my favorite place
02:53:09 yes I I knew I I knew there was a reason
02:53:11 why I knew that it existed
02:53:15 wow
02:53:17 it’s hard to remember everything
02:53:19 yeah
02:53:21 I try on some things but it it just
02:53:24 after you get to one point it just well
02:53:28 a lot of times it has to do with how
02:53:30 often have you had to use that to how
02:53:33 often have I had to use that to defend
02:53:35 something sure sure I understand that
02:53:39 so okay ice oh you want to read it okay
02:53:43 wherefore and now I now send on you
02:53:45 another comforter
02:53:47 [Music]
02:53:50 promise which other comforter is the
02:53:52 same that I promised onto my disciples
02:53:54 men is recorded in the testimony of John
02:53:56 the comforter is a promise which I give
02:53:58 unto you of eternal life even the glory
02:54:00 of the Celestial Kingdom which Gloria is
02:54:03 the Church of the firstborn even of God
02:54:04 the holiest of all
02:54:06 through Jesus Christ the son neither
02:54:08 descended up crap either to send it up
02:54:12 on highs also he’d send it below all
02:54:13 things and that comprehended all things
02:54:15 that he might be in and through all
02:54:17 things the light of Truth which truth
02:54:18 shyness this is the Light of Christ
02:54:22 uh so is the sign of the light of the
02:54:24 son of power that everybody was a
02:54:26 command and moon etc etc
02:54:28 so the this seems to me to be pointing
02:54:32 to the idea that the Holy Spirit of
02:54:34 Christ is that test the Holy Spirit of
02:54:36 promises that Testament of
02:54:39 because in um
02:54:42 the it refers you back to the testimony
02:54:46 of John
02:54:48 sure yeah I know what it’s referring to
02:54:51 um verse 15 in chapter 15 I believe
02:54:57 well let’s go and go look
02:55:06 I think it’s
02:55:07 um and if I’m wrong I’m wrong it’s not
02:55:11 the end of the world
02:55:13 a lot simpler but um
02:55:20 okay so it’s new ordained you going down
02:55:24 looking for the comforter well here’s
02:55:26 one here but yeah one that we want is or
02:55:28 is this one you want
02:55:30 not I think not yeah I think the one
02:55:34 that we want is up here earlier but I
02:55:38 or is it in 16.
02:55:41 I’ll only try 16.
02:55:49 no because that’s talking okay well I I
02:55:53 do think it’s
02:55:56 it’s important
02:55:59 okay
02:56:01 and when
02:56:05 uh maybe this one’s it okay I think this
02:56:08 one’s the one we’re thinking of and I
02:56:11 will pray the father and he shall give
02:56:12 you another comforter that
02:56:14 hear the truth and the world cannot see
02:56:16 because
02:56:18 okay so one thing I do think a lot of
02:56:22 people and I would say even I have
02:56:24 interpreters in the past as
02:56:28 um
02:56:29 a face to face with Yahweh right but
02:56:36 abide with you forever
02:56:40 that’s true
02:56:42 um and so what can abide with us
02:56:44 Yahweh can’t abide with everybody
02:56:47 forever just no I mean he’s a physical
02:56:50 person right but the law written our
02:56:53 heart can do that
02:56:58 um and so this is where when I was first
02:57:00 starting looking at these things I did
02:57:03 used to think
02:57:04 that you had to have your
02:57:07 um
02:57:08 you see Yahweh face to face to
02:57:12 we reached the following election made
02:57:14 sure but I don’t believe that anymore in
02:57:16 fact I think I can use mosiah 15 16-17
02:57:20 to show that because the children the
02:57:23 seat of the prophets are the followers
02:57:25 of Yahweh who have taken
02:57:29 and the only other reference to
02:57:31 comforters the only other reference to
02:57:34 comforters we can definitely of the Holy
02:57:36 Ghost in This chapter
02:57:38 right
02:57:40 um but I do think it’s this is talking
02:57:43 about the second one right another
02:57:45 comforter abide with you forever
02:57:49 um
02:57:51 I I honestly don’t see that as Yeshua
02:57:54 and actually it’s within the same it’s
02:57:58 it and the interesting thing is
02:58:01 it’s in the same
02:58:04 grouping with that verse if you love me
02:58:07 keep my Commandments
02:58:09 uh yeah
02:58:11 um in fact just just because there’s two
02:58:14 comforters here right I’m just thinking
02:58:17 out loud here
02:58:19 I wonder if that is justification
02:58:21 baptism of fire and then and then the
02:58:26 second one sanctification baptism
02:58:29 hopefully spirit
02:58:31 which is one of the reasons why Joseph
02:58:34 Smith would say that baptism by water is
02:58:38 useless without receiving that other
02:58:40 comforter well yeah and he talks about
02:58:44 there’s a quote I don’t remember I don’t
02:58:46 think I have it in my all things you can
02:58:48 do post but he has a
02:58:50 a quote about three baptisms right yes
02:58:55 and baptism is water fire fire
02:58:57 sanctification
02:59:02 the glorification doesn’t happen for
02:59:05 everyone I don’t think
02:59:07 well the
02:59:09 the the highest Glory only happens to
02:59:11 those who have been Sanctified and are
02:59:13 now in the Church of the
02:59:15 firstborn all right well yeah I’m just
02:59:19 trying to think of uh
02:59:22 because
02:59:24 the in the classical Christian
02:59:26 definition
02:59:27 [Music]
02:59:30 classical Christian radiation of
02:59:32 sanctification
02:59:34 you have justification sanctification
02:59:36 glorification
02:59:39 uh I wasn’t aware of that but I know
02:59:43 I I
02:59:46 yeah I don’t see that in the scriptures
02:59:49 myself a third on that myself but
02:59:53 anyways yeah well the idea the idea of
02:59:56 being one of the justification with
02:59:58 justification your the room you’re
03:00:01 removed from the penalty of sin
03:00:04 ctification
03:00:06 sin doesn’t have power
03:00:08 and sin no longer has power over you
03:00:12 and then with glorification it can no
03:00:14 longer it’s basically not tempting for
03:00:17 you
03:00:18 sure um well I
03:00:20 so I I would disagree for a couple and
03:00:23 all of those and all of those levels are
03:00:25 discussed in the scriptures and it’s
03:00:27 different very as different things the
03:00:30 idea of first coming out from under the
03:00:32 penalty of sin therefore you you know
03:00:34 you’ve been released from the penalty of
03:00:36 the law
03:00:38 um
03:00:39 as in Romans chapter 6 Romans chapter 7
03:00:43 verses one through six being released in
03:00:45 the penalty of the law
03:00:47 um
03:00:48 so Yeshua was tempted
03:00:51 he just did not give in to the
03:00:53 Temptation which is one reason I would
03:00:55 say the glorification is not
03:00:58 doing with you no longer be tempted it’s
03:01:01 just when you’re Sanctified
03:01:03 you no longer give in to it
03:01:06 you still make a choice and you don’t
03:01:08 give into it and in addition
03:01:10 when we’re Sanctified and Resurrected
03:01:14 we then get the physical or the
03:01:17 resurrection of
03:01:19 the full glory of the father
03:01:26 the glory comes after the resurrection
03:01:29 yeah yeah
03:01:31 oh I yeah I see what you’re saying yeah
03:01:35 um and First Corinthians 15 talks about
03:01:37 it that way and so does DNC 76 right
03:01:42 that’s true that’s true
03:01:44 um because there’s yeah the
03:01:46 glorification doesn’t occur in this life
03:01:48 that’s yeah that’s for sure
03:01:52 um no I suppose although I suppose you
03:01:54 could make an argument for a transfer
03:01:56 somebody gets translated kind of
03:02:00 uh sure but that’s temporary not
03:02:03 permanent right yeah
03:02:06 um
03:02:08 but on that it’s Satan has no longer
03:02:12 um I don’t remember exact phrasing
03:02:15 though but it’s
03:02:17 no longer Satan no longer has power
03:02:20 to tempt you which sounds a lot like
03:02:24 um Millennial uh rain right because it’s
03:02:27 bound
03:02:28 but people are still going to be tempted
03:02:31 there because there’s going to be
03:02:33 despite what some people say there’s
03:02:34 going to be people of the three
03:02:36 different groupings there right in fact
03:02:40 being crushed to keep the law which has
03:02:43 to do with the
03:02:46 and I suppose that if all of my people
03:02:49 will worship that indicates that not
03:02:52 everybody will be his people that are
03:02:54 still correct in fact in Zechariah I
03:02:57 think 14 but I I don’t remember we can
03:03:00 go find out it has a prophecy if you
03:03:01 don’t keep Tabernacles you won’t get
03:03:04 rain
03:03:05 so there’s going to be people who don’t
03:03:07 want to
03:03:08 and they’re going to learn the hard way
03:03:10 the crushed way that they need to keep
03:03:13 it which to me that goes along with the
03:03:17 tea lestrol Glory or you know people of
03:03:20 the reasons they keep the law and
03:03:22 whatnot because they have to right right
03:03:26 um so anyways
03:03:28 um yeah out of self-interest and they
03:03:30 keep it out right so that way they can
03:03:32 get the rain so they can have their
03:03:33 props that’s not because they want to
03:03:35 they’re they’re just you know they’re
03:03:38 doing the outward
03:03:41 uh show of it right because they want
03:03:44 something else they want their rain
03:03:47 not because they love the Yahweh well
03:03:49 it’s it does say that the Earth will be
03:03:51 renewed and receive its parasitical
03:03:53 Glory
03:03:57 the Prophet Joseph Smith stated that are
03:04:00 in the um articles of faith
03:04:06 that States win though I would imagine
03:04:10 that’s after
03:04:12 the Earth has served its purpose in all
03:04:16 men have had a life and and if and if
03:04:20 and if we’re looking at our scriptures
03:04:22 from the point of view that they all
03:04:23 have to be true that actually makes
03:04:26 sense
03:04:27 um but I do think a lot of people just
03:04:29 thinking out loud in the restoring
03:04:31 movement will apply that to the
03:04:34 Millennium rain but let’s actually go
03:04:37 look at it since you bring it up and see
03:04:40 because I I it’s been a while since I’ve
03:04:42 looked at the articles of Faith but
03:04:44 let’s go
03:04:45 look
03:04:46 right there
03:04:48 uh do you know which number it is off
03:04:50 your head oh it’s ten oh okay we believe
03:04:54 in the literal Gathering of Israel the
03:04:55 restoration of the ten tribes the Zion
03:04:58 the New Jerusalem will be built upon the
03:05:00 America
03:05:01 Christ will reign personally upon the
03:05:03 earth the earth will be renewed and
03:05:04 receive its power disciple Glory
03:05:07 so it I I would say it doesn’t actually
03:05:10 State it’s during the Millennium I can
03:05:13 see how it would be interpreted that way
03:05:14 because of Zion right
03:05:17 um but he’ll Reign personally upon the
03:05:20 Earth
03:05:21 and the Earth will be renewed and
03:05:23 receive this paradoxical Glory I I
03:05:27 could still possibly see I’ll be a
03:05:29 millennium but because Satan is bound so
03:05:31 we’d have to get the technical
03:05:33 definitions of that well my whole Glory
03:05:36 makes me think it’s after
03:05:38 everything is done right well my my
03:05:42 question is
03:05:46 if we’re going to have to raise all food
03:05:49 for our families and what have you
03:05:50 that’s going to leave us with absolutely
03:05:52 no time for practically anything else
03:05:56 um I I don’t know about that but
03:06:00 I mean if you if you want to be if you
03:06:02 want to be good about if you want to be
03:06:04 good about raising food universally
03:06:06 getting the plus so that you can donate
03:06:08 or so that you can give that Surplus to
03:06:12 the bishop storehouse
03:06:14 to benefit the poor
03:06:16 it actually requires a lot of diligence
03:06:19 sure sure but I do especially under
03:06:21 moderate especially under modern
03:06:23 conditions with Europe being as polluted
03:06:25 as it is and the uh
03:06:27 uh so I I
03:06:31 so I do believe in the polar
03:06:34 configuration and that the planets will
03:06:36 come back and I do think the Earth will
03:06:38 be more electrical
03:06:41 and thus more conducive to growing
03:06:43 plants and maybe that’s what that’s
03:06:44 referring to
03:06:45 yeah yeah because because I don’t
03:06:49 because I
03:06:56 um and you know it actually never says
03:06:58 at any one point that man will ever be
03:07:01 lifted from the burden while in
03:07:06 while in this life the man will ever be
03:07:08 lifted from the burden of having to eat
03:07:10 by the sweat of his brow no it never
03:07:12 does say that for the resurrection we
03:07:15 won’t have to eat but I do believe we
03:07:17 will but we don’t have to
03:07:21 well
03:07:23 um
03:07:24 anyways I think Zach wanted to share
03:07:27 some things so maybe okay yeah yeah
03:07:29 sorry Zach
03:07:33 you you want to take a screen or do you
03:07:35 want me to use mine
03:07:37 I can use yours so I have Mr
03:07:40 okay so where do you want to go
03:07:42 so first one is Mosaic 15. okay
03:07:49 they’re just like two right now
03:07:52 um
03:07:54 it’s in the first verse through four one
03:07:57 two four
03:07:58 okay I’ll read them and then you can
03:08:00 interrupt me when you want to say
03:08:01 something okay
03:08:02 and now abinadai said unto them I would
03:08:06 that ye should understand that Elohim
03:08:08 himself shall come down among the
03:08:10 children of men oh you know what I know
03:08:13 what this is I am we’re gonna read it I
03:08:16 just kind of show it in a different
03:08:17 format
03:08:19 okay
03:08:28 because that one is here so I’m going to
03:08:30 show it in this format and I’m going to
03:08:31 go through one through five just
03:08:35 so and now I’ve been in I said to them
03:08:37 Iowa that you should understand that
03:08:39 Elohim himself shall come down among the
03:08:42 children of men and shall redeem his
03:08:45 people
03:08:47 and because he dwells in the flesh he
03:08:50 shall be called the son of Elohim and
03:08:53 having subjected the flesh to the will
03:08:55 of the father being the father and the
03:08:58 son the father because he was conceived
03:09:01 by the power of Elohim and the son
03:09:03 because of the flesh thus becoming the
03:09:06 father and the son
03:09:08 and they are one Elohim yea the very
03:09:13 Eternal Father singular
03:09:16 of Heaven and Earth and thus the flesh
03:09:19 become a subject to the spirit or the
03:09:22 son to the father being one Elohim
03:09:25 suffereth sent Temptation and yieldeth
03:09:28 not to the Temptation like I was going
03:09:30 off of before but suffereth himself to
03:09:33 be mocked and scourged and cast out and
03:09:36 disowned by his people
03:09:39 thank you
03:09:40 so would you want to bring out from that
03:09:42 Zach
03:09:48 it’s basically
03:09:55 um
03:10:00 you know in the LDS tradition they
03:10:03 always teach like
03:10:05 two separate beings father and son
03:10:08 yeah they take that
03:10:10 literally
03:10:12 The Book of Mormons were literally
03:10:14 telling us that
03:10:17 one being
03:10:19 yeah and this is one example of that
03:10:22 it’s uh titles is one way to put it in
03:10:27 Modern English those are different
03:10:29 titles or different jobs that
03:10:32 that one person has
03:10:36 and then the other ones if there’s three
03:10:40 oh I might have that one yeah
03:10:42 verse 14. yeah I need to add more here
03:10:47 but this is one that I have put here
03:10:49 um ether 314 behold I am he who has
03:10:54 prepared who was prepared from the
03:10:57 foundation the world to redeem my people
03:11:00 which is a lot what was just said in the
03:11:02 last one right behold I am Yeshua the
03:11:05 Messiah I am the father and the son
03:11:09 and in me shall all mankind have life
03:11:12 and that
03:11:14 eternally even they Who Shall Believe on
03:11:16 my name my authority my character that
03:11:20 they shall become my sons and my
03:11:22 daughters
03:11:23 AKA followers
03:11:27 and here we have here he’s literally
03:11:30 telling well
03:11:32 us through either well no no there’s a
03:11:34 brother chair
03:11:37 eventually
03:11:39 so
03:11:41 exactly who he is yeah uh this is
03:11:47 the father and the son and all that
03:11:51 yeah he’s
03:11:54 it’s one person and these are my
03:11:57 different titles I am the father and I
03:12:00 am the son yeah
03:12:02 um
03:12:03 Book of Mormon teaches modalism all over
03:12:05 it once you’re open to seeing it
03:12:10 um but once you well you’ve got to shake
03:12:12 off the
03:12:13 there’s false Traditions everywhere wow
03:12:17 yes
03:12:19 there’s there’s false Traditions
03:12:20 everywhere including
03:12:22 uh
03:12:24 I know that uh
03:12:27 I know Zach that you got that you’re
03:12:30 kind of excited about the uh
03:12:34 the book of the not serene
03:12:37 I’ve actually started I actually started
03:12:40 reading
03:12:41 uh
03:12:42 I can tell you straight up the book of
03:12:44 The Book of yokanan and that is
03:12:48 bullocks
03:12:50 it’s like the Book of Joshua it’s like
03:12:53 Joshua it’s filling in with imaginative
03:12:56 the current Book of Joshua okay because
03:13:00 there’s on that one you got to make a
03:13:02 distinguisher yeah that’s true that’s
03:13:04 true uh but the one that we have it’s
03:13:06 like the Book of Joshua that we have
03:13:07 right now or The Book of Enoch that we
03:13:09 have right now it’s uh some truth a lot
03:13:11 of books
03:13:12 um for instance bollocks in The Book of
03:13:15 Enoch there there’s probably
03:13:17 the Dasher is mostly a copy of of what
03:13:22 we already have in the Bible with some
03:13:23 modifications right but the
03:13:26 okay first off it talks about
03:13:30 the lack of a birth Bell for yokanar now
03:13:33 birth Bill uh birth bill is a pagan
03:13:36 Irish tradition they didn’t do that
03:13:38 among the Jews
03:13:44 so that’s a for that’s one strike
03:13:46 against it right there
03:13:48 then when John the Baptist quotes Torah
03:13:52 it says this is Torah okay so when
03:13:55 somebody says this is Torah we have to
03:13:57 pay attention
03:13:58 and we have to know our Torah otherwise
03:14:01 we could be deceived
03:14:04 I’m gonna pull this up yeah we need to
03:14:06 be bereans oh it’s acts 17 if I remember
03:14:10 right on that one
03:14:12 right
03:14:14 um I’m gonna pull this up because I
03:14:16 actually doubt I actually have it in my
03:14:18 Telegram
03:14:20 let’s go to here okay look at Nazarene
03:14:27 okay I’m gonna go down
03:14:30 it’s in chapter two
03:14:34 let’s see
03:14:39 okay here’s one thing first off
03:14:42 it’s um his teachings regarding baptism
03:14:48 I think it’s a little off I may be wrong
03:14:50 but I’ll I’ll read it anyway yeah
03:14:54 verse 12 of chapter two he replied I
03:14:57 teach cleansing and water as a sign of
03:14:59 repentance for the past rebirth into
03:15:00 another way of life I Herald the coming
03:15:03 of someone much greater uh actually
03:15:05 maybe this isn’t the one
03:15:07 um I I see a little bit off it’s it’s a
03:15:10 sign that you’re of a covenant
03:15:13 um of keeping the Commandments it’s so
03:15:16 it’s a it’s
03:15:18 at least that part’s a little off right
03:15:20 because baptism is a sign of the
03:15:21 Covenant that you already made
03:15:23 two keep his Commandments
03:15:26 okay
03:15:32 okay let me think here
03:15:38 I’m trying to find that place where I
03:15:40 saw something that was just like okay
03:15:41 this is just not true uh it’s that one
03:15:45 thing
03:15:50 uh come on okay so while you’re looking
03:15:53 I’ll pause it just so there’s less
03:15:58 so in verse 18 it reads when they crave
03:16:01 for the relief of bread driven desperate
03:16:03 by mouth-watering smells carried on the
03:16:05 air and steal some small thing they are
03:16:08 harried by well-fed tyrants such as the
03:16:10 slave owners among you take heat of this
03:16:12 for this is Torah okay
03:16:14 let’s take heed
03:16:16 if a hungry man steals because of the
03:16:18 emptiness within his stomach the crime
03:16:20 is not with him but with those whose
03:16:23 hands hold the power no
03:16:29 this is an illegitimate book
03:16:32 it’s justifying stealing thou shall not
03:16:36 steal right Ten Commandments yep
03:16:41 um I haven’t read the book of the
03:16:43 Nazarene but I have but I have been
03:16:46 through the book of Johanna and it has a
03:16:49 lot of philosophies of men
03:16:51 and it just keeps talk and it keeps
03:16:53 talking about
03:16:54 she keeps using particular uh
03:16:59 sacred naming type stuff and but that’s
03:17:03 uh that to make it look
03:17:06 um authentic authentic and Hebrew
03:17:10 so the sacred neighbors and some of the
03:17:13 heavy routers would like it in fact
03:17:16 um the link that Zach shared with me uh
03:17:19 to do on Discord was on Parable the
03:17:22 vineyard and that guy that has that site
03:17:25 and does the recordings for it he’s gone
03:17:29 into the Gnostic
03:17:31 old Book of Enoch
03:17:34 and all that type of genre
03:17:36 um so I
03:17:44 speaking of which I think it was
03:17:46 actually a good thing that we that with
03:17:49 Sue there we
03:17:51 showed that this symbol was the sign of
03:17:53 one of Justin Griffins
03:17:57 um uh things yeah because Justin Griffin
03:18:01 has been feeding her a line about how
03:18:03 there’s a scripture in Amos which says
03:18:05 that the lunar Sabbath is over
03:18:08 yeah
03:18:10 okay so online it’s not in fact Amos
03:18:13 actually has verses it shows that it’s
03:18:15 valid so do you know what verse that is
03:18:18 maybe we can talk about it no she
03:18:20 couldn’t even tell me where it was I
03:18:21 looked all through Amos the only
03:18:23 reference I found was the uh Amos
03:18:25 chapter eight where it’s talking about
03:18:28 the cheating Merchants who want to know
03:18:30 when the Sabbath and the new moon will
03:18:32 be finished so they can cheat their
03:18:33 customers some more yeah
03:18:38 saying you know there is a winner seven
03:18:40 right yeah
03:18:42 it’s that one yeah I I don’t know anyone
03:18:45 that would
03:18:46 even get dressed basically it’s a bit
03:18:48 drastic interpretation because what he
03:18:50 does is he cuts everything else except
03:18:52 when will the when will the new moon be
03:18:54 gone that we may sell for
03:18:56 cut everything else out
03:18:57 oh so is he saying uh when it will be
03:18:59 gone so meaning it’s gonna basically
03:19:01 yeah he’s basically
03:19:08 that
03:19:11 that’s horrible taking those I could see
03:19:14 it’s what the Pharisees do it’s what the
03:19:16 Pharisees do yeah
03:19:19 which changes the commandment and the
03:19:22 law
03:19:23 that tells us that we’re constantly
03:19:27 so we’re never to mention the name
03:19:31 so I that’s taking I could see if they
03:19:35 take those four out of context they
03:19:37 could get that right but that’s
03:19:39 completely divorcing it from the context
03:19:48 it’s
03:19:50 what the rabbis do
03:19:53 right
03:19:55 um but that doesn’t prove that because I
03:19:57 mean if anything go to Isaiah 66 which
03:19:59 is about the Millennium right
03:20:01 from New Moon day well that’s what it is
03:20:04 out of to another that’s what that’s
03:20:07 what I told Susan I don’t know this I
03:20:09 don’t know that anything in Amos that
03:20:11 would say that it was over would Trump
03:20:12 lets Isaiah prophesies of the millennial
03:20:15 Reign the Lord told us to study Isaiah
03:20:18 right well and Isaiah 66 is specifically
03:20:22 about the millennial brain right and
03:20:25 Amos 8 5 is not it’s it’s basically kind
03:20:30 of chewing out the merchants right it’s
03:20:32 not saying it’s going away it’s chewing
03:20:34 up the merchant so it’s com he’s really
03:20:37 taking out a context well of course he’s
03:20:40 taking it out of context but that’s how
03:20:42 that’s how you that’s how you do
03:20:44 midrashic interpretation you can’t do it
03:20:46 in context yeah yeah I agree with you
03:20:49 there
03:20:50 um you can’t do it in context you have
03:20:53 to actually isolate words hold them
03:20:56 completely on the scripture make them
03:20:57 mean anything but what they actually
03:20:59 mean right so I
03:21:03 so if anything if it meant anything it
03:21:05 just means you don’t have to worship
03:21:07 on that day right right or have it now
03:21:11 can be a work day but then that that
03:21:14 voids
03:21:16 um The Ten Commandments because now
03:21:17 you’re well basically basically what is
03:21:20 six days but anyways yeah basically what
03:21:23 he’s doing is he’s
03:21:25 striking for any justification that he
03:21:27 can why he’s not doing it
03:21:30 sure
03:21:32 and he’s trying to drag other people to
03:21:34 hell with it yeah I agree just like why
03:21:38 aren’t you stoning
03:21:40 is because we’re because we don’t have
03:21:42 this because we don’t have this we don’t
03:21:45 have the government to do it we don’t
03:21:46 have the government just the government
03:21:47 that does it not the church as we
03:21:49 displayed in that recording which was
03:21:52 primarily rebuttal to Justin Griffin
03:21:55 is the primary reason I did it because
03:21:58 he wouldn’t talk about it so and it was
03:22:01 also partly to help you but if you’re
03:22:03 gonna do this and honestly and honestly
03:22:06 if you’re gonna if you’re going to try
03:22:07 to sink somebody’s soul to hell because
03:22:09 I’m in the DraStic interpretation it
03:22:12 takes it takes and folds the word of God
03:22:16 in the tight little ball and shoves it
03:22:18 up God’s ass
03:22:20 you can go to hell I I I I don’t care I
03:22:24 I don’t I don’t care how you think how
03:22:26 you think
03:22:27 okay so let’s go
03:22:30 um DNC 76 okay
03:22:33 um the more and more I learn and hear
03:22:36 about Justin
03:22:38 this is what he’s doing they are who are
03:22:40 liars sorcerers adulterers whoremongers
03:22:44 whosoever loves and maketh a lie
03:22:48 uh it also goes with this one
03:22:51 know ye not that the unrighteous shall
03:22:53 not inherit the kingdom of Elohim be not
03:22:55 deceived neither fornicators or
03:22:58 adulterers or idolaters adulterers
03:23:02 I’m not even going to try to say that
03:23:04 you want to say that yeah
03:23:07 nor abusers of themselves with men with
03:23:10 mankind nor thieves nor Covetous nor
03:23:13 drunkards nor revilers nor extortioners
03:23:17 so inherit the king of Elam he’s getting
03:23:20 more and more into that category the
03:23:22 more and more I hear about them but you
03:23:25 can’t you can not
03:23:31 do that kind of stuff
03:23:33 foreign
03:23:39 of the quality of my life
03:23:42 yeah it’s because you’re poor you know
03:23:46 the the evidence is of your
03:23:49 righteousness are are in front of his
03:23:51 face yeah and
03:23:53 he’s making a lie right I need to add
03:23:57 this to the other ones but
03:23:58 Revelations 22 12-17 and behold I come
03:24:02 quickly and my reward is with thee to
03:24:05 every man according to his work
03:24:08 that’s that’s the the different glories
03:24:10 right shall be I am Alpha and Omega the
03:24:16 beginning the end the Alpha and the tab
03:24:19 the first and the last blessed are those
03:24:21 that do his Commandments that they may
03:24:25 have right
03:24:27 to the Tree of Life Celestial Kingdom
03:24:29 that they may interest they that do his
03:24:32 Commandments yeah true life the only
03:24:34 ones anyways and enter through the gates
03:24:38 who’s the gatekeeper into the city for
03:24:41 without our dogs
03:24:43 sorcerers whoremongers murderers
03:24:46 adulterers whosoever believeth and or
03:24:51 maketh a lie
03:24:53 he’s lying
03:24:54 and I well that’s it
03:24:57 that’s what that’s all madrasic
03:25:00 interpretation is is like yeah it’s a
03:25:03 straight line yeah I I’m just showing
03:25:06 what where Liars are going from another
03:25:08 verse so that’s what he’s doing he’s
03:25:11 lying about what the scriptures are
03:25:12 teaching
03:25:14 and
03:25:17 he honestly I think he honestly knows
03:25:20 that
03:25:21 at this point
03:25:24 um because when
03:25:26 I’ve tried to ask him very specific
03:25:28 questions on these type of issues he
03:25:32 Dodges them and asks well do you believe
03:25:35 stoning is still valid and yes I have a
03:25:38 whole recording on it that he he watched
03:25:41 at least partly and then
03:25:43 and gave some lame reasons why it didn’t
03:25:47 apply I don’t know if you remember that
03:25:49 but because you right it was surprised
03:25:54 yeah he was uh yes
03:25:57 well it’s not in the doctor to covenants
03:26:00 but that’s because
03:26:01 church it’s not the state it’s not the
03:26:04 state even the Book of Mormon shows the
03:26:06 church in the state are separate
03:26:09 um I I mean
03:26:11 it may not be obvious but after you it
03:26:14 gets pointed out to you and then you go
03:26:15 start reading it it completely makes
03:26:17 sense just like Zach and modalism right
03:26:20 he just shows some verses that actually
03:26:22 shows modalism that’s obvious once you
03:26:26 get it right
03:26:28 um so I it
03:26:31 it’s hard to let go of false traditions
03:26:34 but you need to to get Sanctified and to
03:26:38 have the celestial Glory
03:26:40 it’s just
03:26:42 you have to be careful who you listen to
03:26:45 Satan is deceived the whole world and he
03:26:47 has his servants there and yes I am
03:26:49 calling Justin a servant of Satan and
03:26:52 I’m sure he’ll come after me bro I don’t
03:26:54 care
03:26:55 he teaches a cult new age
03:27:00 I’ve seen him do it well I I guess I
03:27:03 couldn’t say see him I’ve heard him do
03:27:05 it in his interviews
03:27:07 um same with the
03:27:09 Denver Snuffer group
03:27:12 they’re teaching a cult new age
03:27:15 cabalism it’s just it’s all over
03:27:18 and people
03:27:20 gobble it up because
03:27:23 they don’t study the law
03:27:26 and so it’s to get deceived
03:27:30 it’s new it’s exciting it seems like a
03:27:35 shortcut
03:27:36 Forever Learning and never coming to the
03:27:39 truth
03:27:41 it’s addictive to a beef which was right
03:27:43 in front of them the whole time
03:27:48 yeah
03:27:50 it’s
03:27:52 it can be addictive
03:27:55 God’s wanting to give us all the greater
03:27:57 portion but we aren’t even living the
03:27:59 Lesser portion right as he brought out
03:28:01 from uh Alma nine or no 12 right yep but
03:28:07 we’re not even living the Lesser
03:28:08 quotient
03:28:10 yeah
03:28:12 um which is the law of Torah I I strive
03:28:17 to keep it I’m still failing but it is
03:28:19 possible to keep it in mortality as
03:28:22 lectures on faith and all the scriptures
03:28:25 testify and also Jesus showed
03:28:31 yeah
03:28:32 sure had to be fully immortal
03:28:35 yeah he otherwise
03:28:37 otherwise his example means nothing
03:28:40 because we cannot follow it so yeah
03:28:43 his people otherwise so along with those
03:28:47 lines if he did not have to be fully
03:28:50 mortal I actually
03:28:53 or let me say this another way the
03:28:57 one part of the reason that animals
03:29:00 could not save us from our sins is
03:29:02 because it had to be our own kind
03:29:07 to break the bands of death meaning
03:29:10 we’re Mortals
03:29:12 Yeshua had to be mortal to break the
03:29:14 bands of death he had to be just like us
03:29:17 it’s just he was uh as the book of
03:29:22 Abraham puts it he had greater light and
03:29:25 knowledge and wanted to teach us
03:29:27 right and he had that greater line of
03:29:30 knowledge because he kept it we kept it
03:29:33 in the first estate and his second
03:29:35 estate well you see and this is one of
03:29:38 the things that I’m always teaching
03:29:39 people about God God has all truth why
03:29:44 because he never discarded a bit of it
03:29:46 correct we have discarded it and so
03:29:49 we’re some of us are trying to get it
03:29:51 back
03:29:52 where the majority are
03:29:56 doing the exact opposite they’re finding
03:29:58 excuses for their wickedness
03:30:01 because
03:30:02 they hate
03:30:04 the light
03:30:06 aka the law
03:30:08 they hate it
03:30:10 Justin hates the law
03:30:12 I’ll just put it out there it’s on me
03:30:14 but I’ve interacted with him on it he
03:30:17 hates it he won’t answer direct
03:30:19 questions he’ll do avoidance
03:30:23 and think he’s all wise
03:30:27 and you know what and generally speaking
03:30:29 the scriptures don’t speak wisely or
03:30:32 nicely of wise men
03:30:36 so
03:30:37 for the wisdom of man is foolishness
03:30:39 unto God yeah
03:30:43 so
03:30:45 hopefully
03:30:46 um
03:30:47 I I don’t know if Justin was the author
03:30:50 of
03:30:51 the logo that he uses but
03:30:56 the it’s gnosticism all over it or
03:31:00 occultism whatever label
03:31:03 like I said this is what the initiated
03:31:06 this is what we initiated see when they
03:31:08 look at the symbol
03:31:10 wow well
03:31:12 I omit I got into New Age some when I
03:31:15 first started waking up to things
03:31:17 um because most churches including the
03:31:20 LDS church do teach new age
03:31:22 to some extent so it was easy to cross
03:31:25 over into that a little bit as I did but
03:31:28 as I
03:31:29 kept going down my path of learning the
03:31:32 law I found out that it was
03:31:35 it was not what I thought it was
03:31:37 um and so
03:31:39 I think that’s why I saw some of it
03:31:41 that’s in there but I would say the
03:31:44 reason why I saw most of what’s in there
03:31:47 is because I do strive to
03:31:49 learn understand and keep yahweh’s boys
03:31:54 that’s what gives us
03:31:55 Enlightenment real Enlightenment and
03:31:58 understanding is understanding him and
03:32:01 because and once we know the real way we
03:32:04 can expose the fake way
03:32:07 well the thing is and the reason that I
03:32:11 was able to see everything that I was
03:32:12 able to see in it is because I’ve been
03:32:14 initiating is because at one point I was
03:32:16 initiated sure I mean like on the on the
03:32:19 breaking on portion I didn’t know that I
03:32:21 learned that from you
03:32:23 um yep because before I thought that was
03:32:25 just stylized and but apparently it’s
03:32:27 more than just stylized there is a
03:32:29 actual meaning to it
03:32:32 um yep so
03:32:33 I I do understand that on some of the
03:32:38 deeper points it’s good to know what
03:32:41 they teach to bring it out but overall
03:32:45 um knowing always ways would give you
03:32:47 enough to stay away from it right no
03:32:50 absolutely don’t know every single
03:32:52 little detail like of the breaking of
03:32:54 the Cross like I didn’t know
03:32:57 yeah
03:33:00 so like yeah I mean all in all I
03:33:04 wouldn’t wish my experiences on anybody
03:33:09 I wouldn’t wish my life on anybody
03:33:16 but I’m glad that I’ve had but I’m glad
03:33:18 that I’ve seen what I’ve seen
03:33:20 I’m glad that I’ve done what I’ve done
03:33:23 in terms of repenting
03:33:26 and changing
03:33:27 yeah
03:33:29 and that
03:33:33 is the lesson that I would hope that
03:33:35 anybody could gain from a life like mine
03:33:38 is that you can change
03:33:41 you can still change in a moment
03:33:45 and christ-sufficient
03:33:48 and Christ’s
03:33:50 power is sufficient to redeem
03:33:54 even
03:33:58 those of us
03:34:03 who have tread on dark paths
03:34:12 and observed
03:34:15 the devil yeah
03:34:20 I’ve always said that I am all the
03:34:23 prophets in the Book of Mormon the one
03:34:24 that I appreciate most Selma
03:34:27 a younger or Elder yeah
03:34:31 well both actually after a manner of
03:34:34 speaking
03:34:35 [Music]
03:34:38 so they kind of both want this
03:34:41 badly good so I could definitely see
03:34:44 that for what you’re bringing out right
03:34:45 now but Alma the but Alma the younger
03:34:48 particular okay
03:34:52 because he was actively serving the
03:34:53 devil at the University
03:34:56 yeah in fact in the book of Martin
03:34:59 actually states that he was seeking to
03:35:01 destroy the Church of Elohim right
03:35:03 and the Lord redeemed his soul from hell
03:35:09 and made him a high priest
03:35:15 immediately through his yep pretty much
03:35:19 I mean there might be you know a week or
03:35:22 something but it was pretty much
03:35:29 I don’t know if it was immediate was it
03:35:31 well no so so this is interesting in my
03:35:35 uh Bishops or Joseph Israel post I
03:35:37 actually use this history an event with
03:35:41 Emma the younger just shows that
03:35:43 um you don’t need to talk to a bishop to
03:35:45 get repentance even no I don’t even
03:35:48 grows but even after it was soon after
03:35:51 that he Alma the younger came out of his
03:35:56 coma he he was a preacher for the church
03:36:01 when he was going around preaching he at
03:36:04 the same time he went to people that he
03:36:07 hurt to do
03:36:09 reconciliation at the same time but
03:36:12 Yahweh had already forgiven him before
03:36:14 he did that but it was because he was
03:36:16 forgiven he wanted to go fix things
03:36:22 it was because of his changed heart that
03:36:24 he went out and just did it not because
03:36:27 it was on a checklist right yep
03:36:32 um but the record
03:36:33 reconciliation that Alma the younger did
03:36:36 was after he was forgiven by Yahweh not
03:36:39 before
03:36:42 which kind of messes up the process that
03:36:46 most churches teaches right
03:36:49 but but that’s my point is
03:36:52 that God can take even the most depraved
03:36:55 sin
03:36:59 and turn him into a mighty man of hell
03:37:02 yeah
03:37:03 instantly right because it was soon
03:37:06 after so instant might be too short and
03:37:09 I don’t and I don’t know that I’m a
03:37:10 minor man no but I will but I will
03:37:15 do but I will stand on that street
03:37:18 corner and I will preach
03:37:23 wow that’s right I’m right there with
03:37:24 you
03:37:25 there been I mean keep doing it
03:37:28 so then what you were saying reminding
03:37:30 me of either 12 27
03:37:34 okay let me get it
03:37:45 um
03:37:48 God gives Elementary this is
03:37:51 okay
03:37:55 and if men come unto me I will show unto
03:37:58 them their weakness
03:38:00 they give unto men weakness that they
03:38:01 might be humble
03:38:03 and my grace is sufficient for all men
03:38:05 that humbled themselves before me
03:38:07 or if they humble themselves if they
03:38:10 humble themselves before me and have
03:38:12 faith in me and will I make weak Things
03:38:15 become stronger to them
03:38:18 and I can tell you
03:38:23 this is true
03:38:25 it’s happened to me it’s true and the
03:38:29 the interesting thing is
03:38:33 I can also tell you
03:38:36 that when you repent
03:38:38 and God accepts your repentance
03:38:43 the experience of Alma that Alma talks
03:38:46 about
03:38:48 where the
03:38:49 Gall of bitterness and the chains of
03:38:51 Hell become Joy
03:38:55 it’s real
03:38:57 it Israel
03:38:58 it’s real
03:39:01 and
03:39:04 when God and it doesn’t require and when
03:39:07 God sends his cleansing fire
03:39:12 to justify you
03:39:14 and then to sanctify you
03:39:19 there is
03:39:22 the power and that power is unmistakable
03:39:31 and you are a new man
03:39:36 you don’t make excuses
03:39:38 you stop trying to make excuses
03:39:41 you realize that you must be obedient to
03:39:45 the will and Power
03:39:48 of that being
03:39:50 who has cleansed you
03:39:55 and you become a new man in Christ Jesus
03:40:02 yeah
03:40:04 and your life is forever changed
03:40:08 and yes
03:40:09 you will get discouraged
03:40:12 because people will mock you
03:40:15 for buried testimony of the truth of
03:40:17 God’s word
03:40:18 which is why we have Fellowship to help
03:40:21 each other get through that right yep
03:40:25 and people will
03:40:28 wag their wag their heads at you
03:40:33 look at you like you’re insane that you
03:40:36 know nothing
03:40:37 you probably need to go back to
03:40:39 elementary school so you can learn how
03:40:41 to read again
03:40:44 so that you can come up with the same
03:40:46 mid-rashic interpretations they come up
03:40:48 with
03:40:51 foreign
03:40:58 we’ll send you signs from time to time
03:41:02 it will let you know
03:41:04 that you’re on the right Road
03:41:06 and the people are starting to
03:41:08 understand what you are saying
03:41:14 I’ll tell you
03:41:16 I actually hold more hope now for people
03:41:18 who are still in the church
03:41:21 than for many who have lived it
03:41:23 um in a lot of cases that I’ve seen
03:41:26 online yes because it seems like a lot
03:41:29 who believe the LDS pregnant Church they
03:41:33 Embrace New Age occult
03:41:35 much more than it is done in the church
03:41:40 and they think they’re so wise and
03:41:43 they’ve found the truth where they’ve
03:41:45 just gone deeper in a different
03:41:47 deception
03:41:49 yep but I I also just want to add that
03:41:55 yeshua’s atonement Israel
03:41:59 um although
03:42:02 you’ll still have struggles in the life
03:42:04 but
03:42:08 it’s not the same it doesn’t bother you
03:42:11 like
03:42:13 it did before at least for me and you’ll
03:42:16 get the piece
03:42:17 and
03:42:19 this is is talked about in Torah when I
03:42:21 give you this land and these riches you
03:42:24 still have to do your part for example
03:42:27 just back into Genesis because it’s
03:42:28 teaching all teaching the same thing
03:42:30 right by this root of your brow
03:42:34 you shall work
03:42:36 um eat your bread eat your bread yeah I
03:42:38 forgot the exact quote but anyways
03:42:41 um
03:42:43 we still have that now but
03:42:46 it’s with purpose and understanding and
03:42:50 also
03:42:51 knowing that
03:42:53 as a servant of Yahweh and when we’re
03:42:56 keeping his law he is obligated to make
03:42:59 sure we get what we need
03:43:01 you don’t have to wonder
03:43:03 now being rich
03:43:05 versus taking care of your needs are two
03:43:08 different things so they will take care
03:43:11 of our needs and he is obligated to do
03:43:14 that for his servants
03:43:16 and so if you are keeping the law
03:43:19 and doing what you’re supposed to you
03:43:22 will make sure you’re taken care of
03:43:25 and so it’s it’s not scary anymore
03:43:29 wondering how it’s going to work out and
03:43:32 you you just you know it’s going to work
03:43:34 out
03:43:35 because he will take care of those who
03:43:37 diligently seek after him and keep his
03:43:40 wife
03:43:41 and even
03:43:43 should the worst happen
03:43:45 it’ll still work out
03:43:48 well in that case you will still have
03:43:51 the greatest glory in the next phase of
03:43:54 life right which will make it all worth
03:43:57 it
03:43:58 um
03:43:59 but
03:44:01 I
03:44:07 if you want to be like the Messiah
03:44:11 which lectures on faith seven states
03:44:16 he’s the template for all saved beings I
03:44:18 think it’s the word template but it’s
03:44:20 something along those lines
03:44:21 um we have to be like him
03:44:25 and the law Torah teaches us how to be
03:44:28 like him in fact as we looked at earlier
03:44:30 Hosea
03:44:32 uh four six anyways
03:44:36 um States the knowledge that we need to
03:44:40 be saved AKA Sanctified is the law
03:44:43 because it’s by the law and yeshua’s
03:44:46 atonement that we are sanctified
03:44:50 you need both
03:44:52 and if you keep finding excuses not to
03:44:55 keep the law guess what you’re not a new
03:44:57 preacher you’re an old creature with new
03:44:59 excuses
03:45:01 stop kidding yourself
03:45:05 and sure you might have had and sure you
03:45:07 might have had a real experience
03:45:09 oh I I think
03:45:12 but I guarantee you it’s not with who
03:45:14 you thought it was
03:45:15 well so I could see a couple things I I
03:45:18 don’t know the Histories on some of
03:45:20 these but there is a difference between
03:45:24 the baptism of fire and the baptism of
03:45:26 the Holy Ghost there are two separate
03:45:28 things that’s true that is true they
03:45:31 could have been accepted but then
03:45:35 they wandered in back into strength pass
03:45:38 and now they’re going into it deeper
03:45:42 yeah the thing the thing is you don’t
03:45:44 know everything at the moment of
03:45:46 justification no
03:45:49 you don’t and so it’s still a test of
03:45:53 keeping the law in his ways after that
03:45:56 in fact what is it Abraham
03:45:58 three something
03:46:01 um
03:46:03 let’s see
03:46:08 I think it’s proof prove them now here
03:46:12 with yes and we’ll prove them not here
03:46:13 with the sheet they will do all things
03:46:15 whatsoever the Lord their God shall man
03:46:17 verse 25 Abraham 325. and everything
03:46:21 he’ll command is according to Torah
03:46:24 yep
03:46:25 and that was it um
03:46:28 second Nephi 32 states that that’s all
03:46:33 he will command you to do until you
03:46:35 actually are Sanctified at the tree and
03:46:39 then he’ll give you more
03:46:40 which is to help other to get on the
03:46:43 path right because Alma 13 talks about
03:46:47 the purpose of the Melchizedek
03:46:48 priesthood is to call people to
03:46:51 repentance not to govern over them is to
03:46:54 call them to repentance
03:46:57 mean Brigham Young got that wrong
03:47:00 oh bringing gonna get a lot wrong well
03:47:03 the the whole thing the whole thing that
03:47:05 I tell people now
03:47:09 there is no higher law
03:47:11 than the law that Jesus lived
03:47:13 to say that you live a higher law than
03:47:16 Jesus lived
03:47:19 is to equate yourself as being more
03:47:21 righteous than Jesus
03:47:24 and thus more righteous than God
03:47:28 which is making a god unto yourself
03:47:32 mm-hmm
03:47:33 because part of the reason why he is God
03:47:37 Elohim is because he fully kept the law
03:47:43 yep
03:47:46 um anyways
03:47:50 yeah
03:47:51 well that was well this has been a good
03:47:53 night yeah
03:47:56 what brought me out
03:47:59 oh okay go ahead and do you want to say
03:48:00 it on the recordings what brought me out
03:48:03 of what brought me out of the darkness
03:48:08 was a
03:48:10 were people who acted under the guidance
03:48:13 of the spirit
03:48:15 members of the church
03:48:18 who actually lived the gospel
03:48:22 is a large part of what began to bring
03:48:25 me out of the darkness
03:48:32 so to go along with that before I share
03:48:35 my point that I wanted
03:48:37 I’m gonna go
03:48:40 if I can see what I’m typing
03:48:47 is that tired Stephen
03:48:49 no it’s just a little zoom bar
03:48:53 so lectures on faith
03:48:56 uh lecture two verse 56.
03:49:00 we know we have now clearly set forth
03:49:04 how it is and how it was that Elohim
03:49:06 became an object of faith for rational
03:49:09 beings and also upon what the foundation
03:49:12 the testimony was based which excited
03:49:16 the inquiry and diligent shirts of the
03:49:19 ancient Saints to seek after an and
03:49:22 obtain a knowledge of the glory of
03:49:24 Elohim and we have seen that it was
03:49:27 human testimony
03:49:30 and human tennis demonic only and
03:49:33 testimony is by words and actions right
03:49:36 that excited this inquiry in the first
03:49:39 instance in their minds it was the
03:49:41 Credence that they gave to the
03:49:43 testimonies of their fathers this
03:49:45 testimony having aroused their minds to
03:49:48 inquire after the knowledge of Elohim
03:49:51 the inquiry
03:49:53 frequently terminated indeed always
03:49:55 terminated when righteously pursued in
03:49:58 the most glorious discoveries and
03:50:01 eternal certainty
03:50:03 and so it and so yeah like you said it
03:50:07 then it was members of the church
03:50:10 actually living the gospel in ways that
03:50:13 they never would again
03:50:15 I know these people
03:50:18 and I know
03:50:20 that what they were like for those few
03:50:22 months
03:50:23 to get me back into the church get me
03:50:26 back into trying to hit me up
03:50:31 where I was
03:50:34 was not
03:50:37 the way they normally did it
03:50:42 foreign
03:50:44 ful that they I’m grateful they did it
03:50:47 because then we got to know each other
03:50:48 and I I’ve come to really appreciate our
03:50:51 friendship
03:50:53 I I appreciate I appreciate every friend
03:50:58 I can be very hard to get along with
03:51:01 often very direct
03:51:04 blunt even
03:51:07 like a club
03:51:09 I can show scriptures that tell us to do
03:51:11 that but I I don’t know
03:51:13 um because I I do want to say that I I
03:51:16 got into Masonry
03:51:18 and I I did it to better understand the
03:51:23 scriptures but ironically it was better
03:51:25 understanding the scriptures that
03:51:27 brought me out of masonry but along
03:51:29 those lines
03:51:31 um
03:51:31 in in the Masonic ceremonies there is
03:51:35 about raising heimra Biff from the dead
03:51:38 and when you get into it it’s
03:51:41 teaching you how they believe that you
03:51:44 can raise yourself from the dead which
03:51:47 is
03:51:49 um actually what is going on inside the
03:51:53 LDS temple also because there’s a
03:51:55 teaching that you know the husband is
03:51:57 going to raise the wife from the dead
03:51:58 just like
03:52:00 um kind of like people raising Cairo
03:52:02 this from the dead but it’s actually
03:52:03 really teaching how you are supposed to
03:52:07 raise yourself from the dead which is
03:52:08 what people who promote the
03:52:12 uh reincarnation or in other words
03:52:16 Mortal Mortal probations is teaching
03:52:19 that you need to build and learn to
03:52:21 raise yourself from the dead that’s from
03:52:23 the occult that’s Masonic and that is
03:52:26 Satan
03:52:27 we can’t do that
03:52:30 we can’t do that for multiple not only
03:52:32 that but not only that but it’s the
03:52:34 great Buy it’s the great lie that he
03:52:37 sells his followers you can learn to do
03:52:39 this
03:52:40 right that that’s making yourself a god
03:52:44 only God can do that
03:52:46 Elohim
03:52:48 um anyways
03:52:49 translation issues there but
03:52:52 um
03:52:53 yeah well it’s I mean there’s still some
03:52:56 Greek to me and there’s some of these
03:52:57 terms that are better described that way
03:53:00 even though I I don’t think it’s the
03:53:01 best but anyways that’s another subject
03:53:03 but
03:53:06 these people that’s a cult occult
03:53:10 teachings Satanism being taught
03:53:14 um the only one that can raise himself
03:53:16 from the dead is God
03:53:19 and you don’t get another modal
03:53:22 probation and you can’t raise yourself
03:53:24 from the dead because you have sinned
03:53:26 and you deserve
03:53:28 that physical and spiritual death
03:53:30 because this wages of sin is death
03:53:36 and yet those
03:53:39 who walk in the footsteps of Yeshua
03:53:43 will become joint heirs
03:53:45 to all that the father has
03:53:48 not because of our righteousness but so
03:53:51 that anybody can boast but because of
03:53:54 course is right no
03:53:57 although we can be perfect now right in
03:54:00 keeping the Commandments as the fifth
03:54:03 lecture shows
03:54:05 even just one sin in our past will keep
03:54:09 us from able to do it ourselves all
03:54:12 right
03:54:14 um
03:54:15 anyways
03:54:16 showing thereby it is in the power of
03:54:18 man to keep the law and remain also
03:54:21 without sin
03:54:22 we can be sinless
03:54:25 and now and forever
03:54:29 yes we all have all sin in the past
03:54:33 but and you know for book briefs
03:54:37 for one brief Shining Moment when you
03:54:39 receive justification you are accepted
03:54:42 correct
03:54:44 yes you well you’ve been forgiven
03:54:46 everything right of all your sins
03:54:49 um the question is what do you do after
03:54:52 you’re Justified
03:54:53 do you go
03:54:55 figure out what his ways are and how to
03:54:57 become like him or do you go right back
03:55:00 into the wide and vast way I I mean
03:55:03 that’s for everybody to make their own
03:55:04 decisions but
03:55:06 for those who have have received
03:55:09 the baptism of fire and go back it would
03:55:12 be better if you have never been born
03:55:14 because you have taken upon his name
03:55:17 upon you and then rejected him
03:55:20 and that’s where the sons of partitions
03:55:22 go
03:55:23 and put him through an open shame and
03:55:25 crucified him afresh correct which that
03:55:30 logo actually has in it that we looked
03:55:32 at earlier today from the Lost Doctrine
03:55:35 in fact let’s just bring it up again
03:55:57 I see as we talked about two places that
03:56:00 it teaches that
03:56:01 dumping out the cup of the atonement
03:56:04 right here
03:56:05 and the upside down cross
03:56:08 with
03:56:10 upside broken cross
03:56:13 they’re both teaching that
03:56:15 now whether the author knows that or not
03:56:18 or the one who’s using it I don’t know
03:56:20 for sure but it’s there
03:56:23 in plain sight for those who know how to
03:56:25 see
03:56:26 can see it and hopefully
03:56:29 our discussion of this logo will help
03:56:32 people see what’s in it and then they’ll
03:56:35 wake up to the truth instead of keep
03:56:37 accepting the lies
03:56:41 foreign stop rejecting the Messiah stop
03:56:45 trying to do it yourself
03:56:47 you can’t I can’t same drawing
03:56:51 you can’t do it
03:56:53 on your own
03:56:58 just when Satan tries to tell you that
03:57:00 you tell him he’s right but I have
03:57:03 Yeshua on my side
03:57:07 so I’m not alone yeah so I am not alone
03:57:10 it’s his yeshua’s righteousness that
03:57:14 saves us not ours
03:57:17 his righteousness as in let’s just
03:57:20 second Nephi 2 right let’s go do that
03:57:28 yeah yeah
03:57:41 I’m sure that
03:57:45 yeah here we go so
03:57:47 second E5 this is the highest beginning
03:57:49 to Jacob wherefore thy Soul shall be
03:57:51 blessed and thou shalt dwell safely with
03:57:55 thy brother Nephi and thy day shall be
03:57:57 spent in the service of thy Elohim
03:57:59 wherefore I know that thou art redeemed
03:58:03 because of the righteousness of thy
03:58:06 Redeemer oh wait it’s not because of
03:58:08 mortal probations and I finally figured
03:58:11 how to keep the law perfectly but
03:58:13 because of the righteousness of thy
03:58:16 Redeemer it is his righteousness that we
03:58:19 are saved
03:58:22 I would like to also point out it’s not
03:58:25 because of the righteousness of Nephi
03:58:27 either
03:58:29 oh okay
03:58:31 um
03:58:34 it was because of Nephi’s righteousness
03:58:39 no he’s I don’t know why
03:58:44 is is that there is for those who have
03:58:48 the idea that oh I can write somebody
03:58:51 else’s coattails to Salvation that’s not
03:58:56 how it works
03:58:59 okay so I’ll add to that one in a little
03:59:02 bit
03:59:03 um but the righteousness of the Redeemer
03:59:05 for thou has behold that in the fullness
03:59:08 of time he cometh to bring Salvation
03:59:10 unto men so Jacob
03:59:13 saw a vision of yeshua’s mortal life but
03:59:16 to add to what
03:59:20 Matt just said let me bring something
03:59:22 out from dnc76
03:59:28 oh yes these are they who are upon them
03:59:31 almost let’s see so DC 76 98 through 101
03:59:35 it teaches that those who follow over
03:59:37 follow a prophet
03:59:39 right so go to the
03:59:45 76 98 311 and the glory of the
03:59:48 t-restrial is one even as the glory of
03:59:51 the stars is one for one star different
03:59:54 from another star in glory even so
03:59:57 difference one from another and the
03:59:59 glory in the terrestrial world
04:00:01 for these are they who are of Paul a
04:00:04 prophet of Apollos Prophet cephas
04:00:07 Prophet these are they whose say they
04:00:09 are some of one and some of another and
04:00:12 some well look even if you just say
04:00:15 you’re following you know or you know
04:00:17 Christ is your Messiah
04:00:20 and some of John and some of Moses Elias
04:00:23 Elias Isaiah is
04:00:26 yeah anyways but receiver is not the
04:00:30 gospel neither the testimony of
04:00:33 Yeshua neither the prophets neither the
04:00:36 Everlasting Covenant Covenant and
04:00:39 Commandments
04:00:41 are two words for the same things you
04:00:43 didn’t receive it meaning you didn’t
04:00:45 really keep it and have it written upon
04:00:46 your heart
04:00:48 yeah if you were just doing it to follow
04:00:51 and you didn’t write it on your heart
04:00:56 um yeah so here I have another one for
04:00:58 that one
04:01:02 anyways these are important Concepts
04:01:05 right
04:01:06 if I can
04:01:10 have the
04:01:12 zoom bar not get in the way
04:01:15 um
04:01:19 oh no that’s counted
04:01:23 the
04:01:24 for behold Elam have said a man being
04:01:27 evil cannot do that which is good for he
04:01:30 if he offers
04:01:31 a gift or prayeth unto Elohim except
04:01:34 he’d do it with real intent the room the
04:01:37 right reason or it processing him
04:01:39 nothing for it is not counted unto him
04:01:42 for righteousness for beholdeth men
04:01:44 being evil giveth a gift he doeth it
04:01:47 grudgingly meaning you’re just doing it
04:01:50 for the show not for the right reason
04:01:53 wherefore it is counted unto him the
04:01:56 same as if he had contained the gift
04:01:58 wherefore he is counted evil before
04:02:01 Elohim and likewise also it is counted
04:02:04 evil on demand if he shall pray and not
04:02:07 with real intent of heart
04:02:09 yeah it profits him nothing for Elohim
04:02:12 receiveth not such
04:02:14 so anyways
04:02:18 I think we’ve drilled that in enough I
04:02:21 am yeah well I’m just telling you a lot
04:02:25 of times
04:02:27 there’s uh those um
04:02:30 manifestations and those signs that
04:02:33 you’re on the right track and that
04:02:34 you’re teaching the things that he wants
04:02:36 you to teach and that people are
04:02:37 starting to understand they come in
04:02:39 those moments after those moments of
04:02:41 heartfelt prayer where you just like
04:02:44 Lord what am I doing
04:02:49 um I just want to I want us to be
04:02:52 careful so the verses and for it talks
04:02:55 about how witchcraft is bad it also
04:02:58 includes
04:03:00 um Omen watching which a lot of people
04:03:03 will will do as in like oh this bird
04:03:07 came at this time or it was a dove and
04:03:10 stuff like that those aren’t lines
04:03:12 that’s not what I’m referring to at all
04:03:15 I know I’m just we need to clarify what
04:03:17 the signs are okay yeah the signs are
04:03:20 not like birds fly birdies flying
04:03:21 through the sky and suddenly oh wow
04:03:23 everything was Rosy no that’s not those
04:03:26 aren’t the signs
04:03:30 gotcha yeah
04:03:32 um I think the biggest sign is
04:03:36 the real piece at least it has been for
04:03:39 me
04:03:41 well
04:03:43 and one of the one of the good side but
04:03:47 there are other signs that come too
04:03:50 such as
04:03:52 somebody who had been arguing with you
04:03:54 before suddenly
04:03:56 replies to you and says I’m beginning to
04:03:59 see it now
04:04:01 the law must be restored
04:04:05 for Zion
04:04:07 yeah
04:04:08 because of the words of Isaiah the
04:04:11 prophet the law will go forth from Zion
04:04:15 and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem
04:04:19 yeah I
04:04:22 and when you see when somebody responds
04:04:25 to you in that vein who has been
04:04:29 well a little antagonistic shall we say
04:04:34 and and suddenly you realize
04:04:38 that God’s been with you all along
04:04:42 and he’s been trying he’s been helping
04:04:43 people to see sure and and along those
04:04:47 lines it’s you know bringing all things
04:04:50 to your remembrance so that way you can
04:04:53 show other people where it is in the
04:04:56 scriptures that show these things that
04:04:58 help them out and then they and then
04:05:00 they actually get it when you show that
04:05:01 and I think I would say that is a sign
04:05:04 but none of these like birds flying over
04:05:08 like is done in the chosen
04:05:11 um right
04:05:14 sorry that’s an omen which is actually
04:05:16 the law speaks against right
04:05:19 yeah Omen chasing yeah that’s none of
04:05:22 God that’s more Witchcraft and it’s
04:05:25 anyways so I I just brought that out
04:05:28 just to make sure that there’s
04:05:31 signs from Satan and there’s signs for
04:05:33 Yahweh right and the science from Yahweh
04:05:37 are are different and they’re not Omens
04:05:39 the science from Yahweh often
04:05:42 the signs from Yahweh are often stuff
04:05:46 that happens on the inside of you
04:05:49 right yeah
04:05:53 um anyways that’s probably good for the
04:05:56 day yeah I am I’m getting I’m getting
04:05:59 tired