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Summary: (will improve as time permits)

Looking at the problematic LDS / Brighamite D&C 128. Looking at the Hebrew of Daniel 7:13, there is no Hebrew word for like, giving support for revelations from YHWH through Joseph Smith that the Ancient of days is Adam.

Links:

• JS did not restore did not restore everything
• Tzitzit
• Sealing Power
• D&C 127
• Galatians 5
• Sanctification
• All Things you Should DO
• Adam kept Torah
• Priesthood
• Gabriel in Daniel 9
• Daniel 7:13 Interlinear
• Bar H1247
• Torah
• D&C sections that are not authentic

Notes:

Verses 1) feelings, JS taught that the Holy Spirit had nothing to do with feeling but pure inelegance
Verses 2) although words from YHWH is revelation, I don’t know another instance of JS talking about them this way, perhaps I’m just being to critical.
Verse 2) additional views which is bringing out it’s a personal opinion contrast expounding of what scriptures say on the matter. Church law is based upon the scriptures not JS views and feelings. See D&C (LDS 42:59) (RLDS 42) (1833 44,47) (1835 13)
Verse 2) it was declared vs I showed you YHWH said, perhaps I’m being to critical but if it was from YHWH that is a big deal.
Verse 3) In LDS / Brighamite temples they don’t have a person from each ward making sure to see what their ward members are doing in accordance to this supposed revelation.
Verse 3) why is the word history being used here, it just happened right then, there is no history to consider
Verse 3) the word transaction makes me think of the Fanny Alger lie. https://hemlockknots.com/joseph-smiths-wives/fanny-alger/
Verse 3) thee individual that are present, scriptures talks about two or three witnesses not three or zero, in addition LDS / Brighamite practices 2 witnesses NOT 3.
Verse 3) if any present, there needs to be 2 or 3 witnesses
Verse 4) records are not holy, records can be true or false. Torah teaches us how to be holy and it’s by keeping Torah.
Verse 4) the global recorder is to state that he believes the record being given to him, to do that he would have to go research it and then pray about it, not just say oh because this guy says it’s true I believe it’s true, see D&C 8 & 9
Verse 4) ordinance, is not only a ceremony but also a rule
Verse 4) is making the one who is putting all the records together as a witness himself, which is going against the actual definition of what a witness is.
Verse 5) BoM teaches that YHWH sent prophets to all nations see notes under Baptism Dead, also see Mazzaroth which teaches the gospel in the stars.
Verse 5) Appealing to authority contrary to D&C 121
Verse 6) the books from Revelation 20:12 are not the books kept by men who make mistakes, but is kept by YHWH who is perfect and knows all, including the works we do in the dark where just men don’t know those works except it’s revealed to them but even then only on occasion see Nephi in book of Helaman, and king Benjamin stating I can’t enumerate all the ways you can sin …
Verse 7) as I just brought out, what ever things men record is not everything because wicked men do their works in the darkness, and men will be judged of those works showing it’s not from the books of men we will be judged from.
Verse 7) 2 Nephi 9:41
Verse 8) Moroni brings out why they took the names of those who joined the church into a record, to make sure they are nurished by the good word of YHWH not so make sure they are saved …
Verse 8) priesthood is about serving others to bring them to Yeshua and His ways, not promising people they are going to heaven by writing their name down.
Verse 8) there is a quote from JS that power of the priesthood has ability to have the elements of nature to obey them, that is taught in Jacob also and shown in the scriptures such as the exodus.
Verse 8) this is a twisting the verse from the NT, and the Greek in the NT and the BoM shows it’s men binding on earth what YHWH had already decreed should happen, and in Acts 5 this is an example of Peter enacting a punishment upon liars from Torah.
Verse 8) No man’s writing can bind you in heaven, for there is only ONE keeper of the gate into heaven and that is Yeshua the promised Messiah 2 Nephi 9:41. And this seems to suggest a man can write your name down and guarantee you are going to heaven, that contradicts the scriptures. Not to mention it’s the angels not men who do the harvesting in Yeshua’s parable from the NT.
Verse 8) there is nothing recorded from JS, including the JST, other than this supposed letter suggestion this better translation of Matthew 16. In addition we have nothing canonized that shows Peter stated because I wrote your name down you will be heaven now, but he do have records showing when Peter pronounced a curse from breaking Torah that is stated in Torah it happened.
Verse 8) this seems to be suggesting that baptism is necessary for salvation and it’s not, look at the Limhites as an example of why it’s not, also women needing someone else to baptize her such as Abish is an example of that amongst the wicked Lamanites and her own vision and not telling anyone. Also it also seems to suggest no need for enduring to the end, aka keeping the commandments till you die, which these dead did not do. And denies how the BoM teaches you can only repent while in mortality, and that you will have the same spirit in the resurrection as when you die. D&C 76 states that the only those who receive celestral glory need to be baptized by water.
Verse 8) is using ordinance as a ceremony, so perhaps it’s being used the same way in the earlier verse, which is incorrect.
Verse 9) if it has always been that way, why is it, it can only be brought out from one twisted verse, which the BoM shows differently. In case anyone is interestind the example of Alma the elder and judging people and exing them, is accordance to what a judge of the church is to do. And past and modern revelation confirms we are to remove repeating sinners from the church or if we don’t the church will not be YHWH’s anymore and will now receive curses. Yet again I ask for a confirm scripture that states that when a servant of YHWH says you are going to heaven and writes it down that you are now sealed to heaven, you can not find one. ONLY Yeshua stands at the gate NONE of His servants are there, only Him, 2 Nephi 9:41.
Verse 10) first of all people are not referenced as THIS, if this was talking about Peter it would say YOU not THIS. The word THIS is to refer to ideas and concepts not people. Not to mention a quote from JS states that the word THIS in this passage is about revelation. And I would add revelation that Yeshua is the promised Messiah who is the ROCK of our salvation, so I believe this NT passage is illuding to both of these ideas, which is just what Peter said happened.
Verse 11) I don’t believe JS would used the pharse “summun bonum” I believe JS would have stated it simply in the language of his day which is English. BoM teaches that YHWH speaks people in their own language, and I would extend that to His servants do the same thing.
Verse 11) “summum bonum” means highest good of the priesthood is to point us to Yeshua the promised Messiah even how they are ordainted as stated in Alma 13 and it’s not about how a supposed man can save you by writing down your name because that is a lie from the pit of hell. In fact Alma 13 brings out the purpose of the Melchizedek priesthood is to CALL REPENTANCE NOT write down their name to save them. Calling repenting helps people REPENT which is huge part of being sanctified.
Verse 11) I’ve had a lot of pretenders tell me I’m going to hell because I don’t believe in the herasies they are teaching, perhaps this is the supposed scripture they use to justify their idea they can condemn me.
Verse 12) Paul teaches the symbolism of baptism deals with Yeshua’s death not the death of those who died before Him and us. Baptism is all about Yeshua and His plan for us, it teaches much of the gospel with the images and how it’s used, it’s NOTHING about the likeness of sinners who did not repent as suggested in this verse.
Verse 13) if the font is patterned after where the saints wont go, then why are saints going to the likeness of it. Also all saints will die just as our perfect example died in our place to break the bands of death. If we don’t die, we can’t go to heaven, even if it’s in a twinkling of an eye.
Verse 13) To be honest I don’t see how 1 Corinthians 15:46-48 deal with baptisms for the dead. For one it never mentions death. It is talking about how in the resurrection our bodies will be spiritual, and so does the lectures on faith.
Verse 14) there is no connection to records in 1 Corinthians 15:46-48, as I already stated it’s about the resurrection and what type of bodies we will have.
Verse 14) everyone is resurrection who received a physical body here on earth, whether their name has been recorded on paper or not. As many who died in the womb may not have even received a name to be recorded.
Verse 14) This is suggesting if some church does not record all children who died before the age of accountability will not get to heaven, which is an evil teaching see Moroni 8.
Verse 15) There is a JST for Hebrews 11:40 that goes against what this verse is saying. And it states that without the refiners fire they could not be made perfect, just a refiners fire is need to make metal into what the master wants it to be, and how in Ether YHWH used the deep sea, choatic men, to bring them to the promised land aka heaven ect ect ect. FYI BY hated the JST, and I believe it’s because it destroyed his lies such as this one.
JST Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better things for them through their sufferings, for without sufferings they could not be made perfect.
KJV Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Verse 16) One thing no one talks about regarding 1 Corinthians 15:29 in the same chapter Paul talks about how he dies daily. In Hebrew thought when you sin you die, for the wages of sin is death. Hebrew fathers will consider their children as dead when they have sinned a grave sin.
Verse 17) this explanation contradicts the version of Malachi 4 we have on record in D&C (LDS 2) that Moroni gave JS. Showing it’s about the children going back to the promises that were given to the fathers aka Torah.
Verse 18) supposedly JS is claiming a plainer translation, but this suffices when Moroni gave him what the verse actually states, sorry not buying this lie.
Verse 18) the reason the earth would be fought with is curse is not because fathers are not sealed to their children, which FYI JS never did (there is talk of JS sealing people to him, which I don’t believe, but there is no talk of JS sealing children to their parents that came later in the LDS / Brighamite church.)
Verse 18) So the way perfect is used in the sermon on the mount and lectures on faith 7 is keeping the commandments of YHWH, nothing to do with being sealed to another person, which if not your immediate link of going from father to son but somewhere there is someone who is a wicked man and thus would make your chain invalid.
Verse 18) Your ability to live with Heavenly Father does not depend upon your ancestors living righteously, it depends on you coming under the blood of the Lamb with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, which are ways of saying you will keep His law, nothing else including your ancestors.
Verse 18) what Malichi 4 is stating that the whole human race would be destroyed if the Elijah [Joseph Smith] doesn’t bring people back to the way the fathers lived aka Torah.
Verse 18) where is the glory of Zion? Or the glory of prophets performing miracles, or the glory of prophets getting revelations to answer questions? This part is just full of nice sounding fluff.
Verse 18) I agree new revelations can happen, but they will not contradict previous revelation as JS taught and so does the rest of the Hebrew cannon.
Verse 18) Alma 12:9-11 brings out if you are not keeping the law you will not get the mysteries.
Verse 18) Alma 12:30ish to the end tells us that Adam kept Torah.
Verse 19) Sorry but I hear no glad tidings of joy for the dead who rejected the truth as the BoM teaches they are condemned because of their works. There is no repenting after you die.
Verse 20) I do agree that the BoM is fulfilment of prophecy, even that of the bringing forth water / revelation from the ground at the wells. But the BoM clearly contradicts what is being pushed in this supposed letter.
Verse 20) Peter James and John never came to JS to give him the Melchesidick priesthood, as JS taught and the scriptures teach the high priesthood is given by YHWH’s own voice nothing a man can do can give you this priesthood.
Verse 20) Why would Peter, James and John have the keys of the this dispensation when they never lived during it or did anything in it? Peter, James and John were apostles, which are not to be part of the church period, but to go to the world only as missionaries outside where the fullness is not, why would they have keys to a place they had no authority over? The kingdom as they were sent to where the kingdom is NOT.
Verse 21) there is no real record of this event that is being described here it’s a lie. Not to mention that the book of Daniel shows us that Gabriel is YHWH Himself. Also it’s the occult and gnostics that are fasinated by Raphael.
Verse 21) declaring ones priesthood seems more of a pride thing, that I’m better than you, than a servant as Yeshua taught leaders are to be.
Verse 21) not to mention line upon line and precept upon precent is something that is done when people keep the law / Torah, not something someone can just come and declare, see post and Alma 12:9-11.
Verse 22) the dead do nothing according to Alma 40, not even praise, which is what the Bible teaches also.
Verse 23) Alma 30 brings out that all things denote there is a good, but this is more of a prep talk than teaching anything. Encouragement to do what this supposed letter is teaching, which is heresies.
Verse 24) quoting Malachi 3 which is dealing with the second coming but most how the Levites will do animal sacrifices again, nothing to do with the heresy of baptisms for the dead which this supposed letter is about.
Verse 24) building not called temple in authentic sections.
Verse 24) BoM teaches against baptism of the dead.
Verse 25) Where are the other letters on this subject that JS was going to supposedly give?

Transcript:

00:00:02 so we didn’t know what to talk about
00:00:04 today and we took a vote and all of us
00:00:08 voted to go over the notes I have for
00:00:11 DNC
00:00:13 128 so uh I do believe in most of the
00:00:17 doctrine and Covenant
00:00:19 sections though DNC 128 is one that I do
00:00:24 believe is not
00:00:27 authentic um oh I’m just looking you can
00:00:29 see how I don’t know how to spell these
00:00:32 things but anyways in my notes I made
00:00:34 these
00:00:35 notes oh oh look
00:00:39 uh like a year ago um so it’s been a
00:00:44 while since I prepared this and I
00:00:46 haven’t it yet so we’ve been meaning to
00:00:48 do this for a while yeah yeah well
00:00:51 there’s uh there’s a lot of things we’ve
00:00:53 been meaning to do for a while
00:00:55 especially
00:00:57 me I have a hard I I I get sidetracked
00:01:00 with shiny objects um so um it’s for me
00:01:06 it’s squirrels yeah so there you
00:01:09 go uh I I I have both and more so maybe
00:01:14 a little worse than you but uh I did
00:01:17 prepare this a while back
00:01:18 ago um more than a year uh and just
00:01:23 hadn’t got to it um I haven’t refreshed
00:01:26 it since then but I hopefully my notes
00:01:28 are good enough but we did do a vote to
00:01:30 go over this today um so let’s see
00:01:33 what’s going on um so let’s start with
00:01:37 verse one or actually you know maybe
00:01:40 let’s read the makoni explanations maybe
00:01:44 start with that and we’ll go verse one
00:01:46 um okay are you willing to read some
00:01:50 Matt
00:01:52 sure are you willing to read the makoni
00:01:58 stuff
00:02:01 uh you’re breaking up a little
00:02:04 bit
00:02:10 sorry
00:02:17 sorry uh maybe we have Zach read because
00:02:20 you’re you’re breaking up still so I I
00:02:24 think your internet very good Matt
00:02:27 you’re breaking up Matt yeah yeah let’s
00:02:29 I’m have Zach do it your internet’s not
00:02:31 working out very
00:02:34 well Zach will you read the makoni stuff
00:02:37 that’s the makoni crap
00:02:41 okay yeah Zach uh will you read the
00:02:43 makoni stuff for us
00:02:47 or like do the an epistle part too yeah
00:02:52 yeah I I would add a supposed epistle
00:02:55 but I mean that’s not what it says
00:02:58 anyways epistle from Joseph Smith the
00:03:01 prophet to the Church of Jesus Christ
00:03:04 the letter Saints containing further
00:03:06 directions on baptism for the dead dated
00:03:09 at NAU Illinois September 6
00:03:14 1842 1 through five now one one thing I
00:03:16 do want to bring out it’s
00:03:19 interesting this is um around two years
00:03:23 before his uh martydom right right so
00:03:29 why isn’t there more now I’m going off a
00:03:32 vague memory but this doesn’t really get
00:03:34 into a lot of specifics but in some of
00:03:37 the specifics it does get into the
00:03:39 actual LDS church actually does things
00:03:42 differently right right um but it is
00:03:46 interesting to me if this was such an
00:03:49 important issue like the lus church
00:03:52 claims
00:03:54 why why didn’t we get more from Joseph
00:03:57 Smith during the uh about two years
00:04:00 later that he was still alive right two
00:04:04 letters two letters that’s what we have
00:04:07 yeah yeah and uh so DNC
00:04:10 127 um I don’t have as many notes but uh
00:04:16 the elist church does contradict what it
00:04:19 states there right I do remember that
00:04:21 part soft to my head so um but my my
00:04:26 main thing is why wasn’t there more
00:04:28 clarification during that around two
00:04:31 years that he was still alive from this
00:04:33 point right but especially considering
00:04:35 how important it supposedly is right
00:04:39 right anyways all right let’s go finish
00:04:41 makon
00:04:42 stuff 1 through two local General and
00:04:47 general records must certify to the fact
00:04:51 the baptisms were the
00:04:53 dead
00:04:54 6-9 their records are binding and
00:04:57 recorded on earth and in heaven
00:05:00 okay so there’s the cealing power
00:05:02 there’s the sealing power you’re right
00:05:04 real good you’re right real good and
00:05:06 it’s bound in heaven right right it
00:05:08 doesn’t matter whether or not that
00:05:10 actually they were uh repentant or not
00:05:14 right yep real you write real good it’s
00:05:18 found in heaven yeah so I mean there’s
00:05:21 just a problem just looking at the the
00:05:23 makoni
00:05:25 summary um but anyways let’s continue
00:05:28 his summary
00:05:30 10- 14 baptismal baptismal font is a
00:05:33 similitude of the
00:05:35 Grave 15- 17 Elijah restored
00:05:40 power relative to baptism for the
00:05:44 dead 18 21 all the all the keys powers
00:05:48 and authorities of P dispensations have
00:05:53 restored this is the only this is the
00:05:55 only place that states that right well
00:05:58 no 132 says something very
00:06:02 similar but uh that contradicts The Book
00:06:05 of
00:06:06 Mormon right okay because the Book of
00:06:09 Mormon states that Joseph Smith was not
00:06:12 supposed to restore
00:06:14 everything um okay so let’s and what is
00:06:18 it uh first Nephi
00:06:21 13 right yeah first Nei
00:06:24 1334 okay all right uh I have a post on
00:06:28 that but go ahead finish reading the
00:06:30 makoni
00:06:32 stuff2
00:06:33 25 lad and glorious Tidings are claimed
00:06:38 for the living and a
00:06:43 dead so
00:06:46 um uh to start off to get into some of
00:06:49 the serious stuff um Ben are you willing
00:06:51 to read verse
00:06:55 one
00:06:58 sure as I stated to you in my letter
00:07:02 before I left my place okay so this is I
00:07:05 Joseph Smith right right I Joseph Smith
00:07:08 stated you in my letter written by my
00:07:11 hand before I left my place that I would
00:07:15 write you from time to time and give you
00:07:17 information in relation to many
00:07:20 subjects so one one thing it’s
00:07:22 interesting here we don’t have a a
00:07:24 a many of these supposed letters right
00:07:28 from time to time
00:07:30 uh and he was in hiding for a while
00:07:33 right I I’m not right
00:07:36 um I I I’m not really strong in my
00:07:39 church history um I always tended to
00:07:42 avoid it when even when I was a
00:07:44 believing
00:07:45 member but um the little bit I do know
00:07:51 it’s quite different than what is
00:07:53 portrayed right right he was actually in
00:07:55 hiding for uh a good portion of the time
00:08:02 that they were in
00:08:06 navu
00:08:09 right all right so let’s
00:08:13 continue I now resume the subject of the
00:08:17 baptism for the dead as that subject
00:08:20 seems to occupy my mind and press itself
00:08:23 upon my
00:08:25 feelings the strongest since I have been
00:08:28 pursued by my enemies okay uh baptism
00:08:32 for the dead occupying your feelings
00:08:34 since okay just from a
00:08:38 purely non-doctrinal point of
00:08:41 view baptism of the Dead if people if I
00:08:44 was being pursued by enemies baptisms
00:08:47 for the dead would be the farthest thing
00:08:48 from
00:08:50 byby um I I
00:08:54 so I I I I tend to believe with agree
00:08:57 with you Ben but just Playing devil’s
00:09:00 advocate a little bit if this was as
00:09:02 important as the brigam mites claim it
00:09:06 is um which it’s
00:09:08 not um I I can see how they would claim
00:09:13 or believe it would be pressing upon his
00:09:15 mind because this could be one of the
00:09:17 last things he had to restore right so
00:09:21 but then again press itself upon my
00:09:23 feelings the strongest the Holy Ghost uh
00:09:26 is the effect of the Holy Ghost is pure
00:09:28 intelligence
00:09:29 right right and so this goes off of my
00:09:31 first note here so let’s go look at the
00:09:33 some actual quotes that goes with my uh
00:09:36 notes for verse one
00:09:38 okay
00:09:40 so I have a lot it’s going to be this
00:09:43 one’s going to be at the
00:09:45 top Joseph Smith so uh I’ll read this
00:09:50 one so I’ll read the first one or the
00:09:54 big or the full one I should say sorry
00:09:56 about that right the first comforter or
00:09:59 for the Holy Spirit has no other effect
00:10:02 than pure intelligence oh wait a minute
00:10:04 no feelings no other effect than pure
00:10:10 intelligence
00:10:12 it meaning not he it is more powerful in
00:10:17 expanding the
00:10:19 mind not feelings mind has to do a
00:10:23 thinking enlightening the understanding
00:10:26 oh making it so um
00:10:30 you can expound it and explain it to
00:10:32 people because Enlighten the
00:10:34 understanding if you understand it you
00:10:36 can teach it to others and I’m also
00:10:38 going to point out that those things
00:10:41 which we feel strongly but understand
00:10:43 the least are the things we are going to
00:10:45 be least capable of explaining or
00:10:48 expounding exactly which uh that’s where
00:10:53 feelings come into play right it feels
00:10:56 feelings actually muddy the water
00:10:57 feelings actually muddy the water
00:10:59 of any intelligence that you’re
00:11:01 receiving correct uh in fact along these
00:11:03 lines um when Nephi was told by this the
00:11:09 text says the spirit I do believe it was
00:11:11 Yahweh okay who was a spirit at that
00:11:14 time or only had it because we’re always
00:11:16 a spirit we’re a spirit that has a body
00:11:20 but only had a he didn’t have his mortal
00:11:23 uh body yet yeah Nephi that he needed to
00:11:27 execute the punish been upon laan he did
00:11:30 not feel good did he um and so that is
00:11:36 one example from The Book of Mormon we
00:11:38 can’t rely upon feelings to know what is
00:11:41 true or false but his his understanding
00:11:44 was definitely enlightened and and he
00:11:47 was and his intellect was stored with
00:11:49 present knowledge right in fact the
00:11:52 things in the Book of Mormon that Nephi
00:11:54 was listing are things that according to
00:11:57 Torah that was needed to do what Yahweh
00:12:03 told him to do right yep so um that’s
00:12:08 where he’s going with uh intelligence
00:12:11 not feelings there because if he would
00:12:14 have gone with his feelings he wouldn’t
00:12:16 have done it anyways um I think
00:12:19 Enlighten understanding and and storing
00:12:22 the intellect with present knowledge oh
00:12:25 look things that you already knew like
00:12:27 happened with Nephi of a man who is of
00:12:31 the little Seed of
00:12:33 Abraham uh so I I’ll finish this quote
00:12:36 and then we can talk about it just a
00:12:38 little bit but I don’t want to Sidetrack
00:12:39 a lot because I do want to try to finish
00:12:42 get as much as 128 as we can but anyways
00:12:45 the little Seed of Abraham then one that
00:12:48 is a gentile through it not
00:12:52 he may not have full have half as much
00:12:57 visual effect upon his body body for the
00:12:59 Holy Spirit falls upon one of the little
00:13:02 Seed of Abraham it not he is calm in in
00:13:08 Serene Serene and his whole soul and
00:13:13 body are only exercised by the pure
00:13:17 Spirit of intelligence not
00:13:20 feelings while the effect of the Holy
00:13:23 Spirit upon a gentile is to purge out
00:13:26 the old blood and make him
00:13:30 actually the Seed of Abraham that man
00:13:33 has none of the Blood of Abraham
00:13:36 naturally must have a new creation by
00:13:40 the holy spirit so this is uh was stated
00:13:42 by Joseph Smith the prophet of the res
00:13:45 registration and it’s recorded one place
00:13:48 the teachings of the Prophet Joseph
00:13:49 Smith page 149 so the last part I do
00:13:54 want to say real quick that to a certain
00:13:59 extent um Jews as commonly called today
00:14:04 which can include all the
00:14:06 tribes um because Jews is an overloaded
00:14:10 term uh they are kind of taught Torah
00:14:14 okay not exactly because they have their
00:14:16 false Traditions as Yeshua taught told
00:14:18 us in the New Testament so when the Holy
00:14:22 Spirit comes upon them which is actually
00:14:27 spirit is behavior so this is another
00:14:30 word for Torah when it finally hits them
00:14:34 it makes a lot more sense to them
00:14:36 whereas Gentiles who are taught that
00:14:40 Torah is done away with it takes longer
00:14:42 for it
00:14:43 to change us because we need to learn it
00:14:47 first as an acts well and and here’s
00:14:49 something about that it may not have
00:14:51 half as much visual effect upon his
00:14:54 body one part of the law is wearing of
00:14:56 seat seats that is a visual effect upon
00:14:59 the body yeah yeah
00:15:01 and I wear
00:15:03 them but we didn’t
00:15:08 always yeah Gentiles that was not one of
00:15:12 the first things that I did so it did
00:15:14 take some time so yeah it was it
00:15:18 was even if it was part of our blood we
00:15:20 were raised Gentile right therefore it
00:15:25 had this effect Upon Our Upon Our
00:15:28 outward
00:15:29 body yep you can see seat
00:15:33 seats uh good point so Zach you wanted
00:15:36 to say
00:15:39 something
00:15:42 um I think you accident you accidentally
00:15:45 said registration when you meant
00:15:47 restoration right oh I might have sorry
00:15:50 about that it’s okay uh sometimes I uh
00:15:56 I’m sometimes I have p situation
00:15:59 problems like I just did there on that
00:16:01 wasn’t on purpose but anyway I do I do
00:16:04 sometimes too yeah I have I have a
00:16:06 slight speech impediment but anyways
00:16:09 okay so I do think that’s enough on that
00:16:11 quote right so so so that’s the point is
00:16:14 that it’s the Holy
00:16:18 Ghost it
00:16:20 influences in the doctrine in covenants
00:16:22 where it says I will tell you in your
00:16:23 heart and your mind he’s actually just
00:16:26 reiterating the same thing as the Hebrew
00:16:29 he’s re he’s iterating it first in the
00:16:31 Hebrew and then in the
00:16:32 Greek and he says I will tell you in
00:16:35 your heart and in your
00:16:36 mind in the Hebrew understanding where
00:16:39 the heart is the place where thoughts
00:16:41 occur yeah
00:16:44 yeah then he was stating it in the
00:16:47 Greek and so this is is making sure that
00:16:51 people regardless of who read that
00:16:54 section that they would understand that
00:16:56 he would
00:16:57 communicate to their thoughts right and
00:17:00 I think that’s a good point to bring out
00:17:02 because uh another way that I would we
00:17:04 could say he was expanding the Hebrew
00:17:07 thought into Greek thought the way that
00:17:10 we tend to think about things today
00:17:12 right right so all right so I’ll read
00:17:16 verse
00:17:17 two because I think that’s good for
00:17:19 verse one verse one I mainly just have
00:17:21 the feelings Joseph Smith was not about
00:17:24 feelings he was about pure intelligence
00:17:27 the actual
00:17:28 written word of God fact I uh this isn’t
00:17:33 important enough I just want to show
00:17:36 even the Book of Mormon states that we
00:17:38 need to go by the written word of God
00:17:40 and so does the DNC okay this
00:17:44 says yep doctrine of covenants 1830 and
00:17:47 also doctrine of covenants
00:17:48 8457 yeah right there um so uh this is a
00:17:53 big deal and it’s a big deal in Torah
00:17:56 Exodus um Exodus Exodus Exodus Exodus
00:18:01 Deuteronomy Deuteronomy and Hebrews okay
00:18:04 so it’s a big deal but I don’t want to
00:18:07 do much more on that one so I’ll read
00:18:08 verse two and then we can talk about it
00:18:10 or just interrupt me if you want to say
00:18:13 something I wrote a few words of
00:18:16 Revelation to you concerning a recorder
00:18:19 so um is that a musical
00:18:24 instrument sorry uh no but that is fun
00:18:28 to keep it light right we got to make
00:18:30 sure we got to have a sense of
00:18:34 laughter but um so I do think this might
00:18:39 be if this is referring to DNC
00:18:42 127 it doesn’t really say much and
00:18:45 there’s no there is no actual
00:18:49 authentic um Revelation that’s recorded
00:18:54 about this uh recorder right and I
00:18:58 should also like to point out that U
00:19:01 Records Was was a severe weakness of
00:19:05 briam
00:19:08 young um okay I’ll take your word for it
00:19:12 because I I don’t know well that’s
00:19:14 that’s what he got in trouble with Mason
00:19:15 for records well okay so that I so I I
00:19:20 would see that a little different he was
00:19:23 modifying records and having blank pages
00:19:27 so he could add things later on right
00:19:30 right um so I I can definitely uh I I
00:19:36 wouldn’t call that a a weakness I would
00:19:38 call that a deception with records and a
00:19:42 sin because I at least me I I would say
00:19:45 a weakness is where you’re not good at
00:19:47 doing it right he was being deceptive
00:19:52 with it right but he wasn’t very good he
00:19:55 wasn’t very good at the deception
00:19:57 because he got caught yeah right that’s
00:19:59 why the Masons were angry with them
00:20:01 right you you can go look at those
00:20:03 records and there’s blank pages and
00:20:06 different ink for things on the
00:20:08 supposedly the same day and all this and
00:20:11 different
00:20:13 handwriting they knew something was up
00:20:16 right so I find it very interesting that
00:20:19 uh this Revelation supposedly pinned by
00:20:22 that this letter supposedly PR penned by
00:20:24 the Prophet Joseph Smith more likely
00:20:26 penned by Brigham Young should be so
00:20:28 meticulous about its
00:20:30 frence uh that is kind of interesting
00:20:34 but the uh the wicked will talk about
00:20:37 accusing the other side for what they
00:20:39 themselves are doing right and I could
00:20:41 see it going along with that but now
00:20:45 this is
00:20:47 I I can’t exactly pin this down but I
00:20:50 will say that this letter does not seem
00:20:54 like something that Joseph Smith would
00:20:56 write it doesn’t to me
00:20:58 it doesn’t seem to be in his words or
00:21:01 style but I can’t quantify that okay
00:21:05 what I can quantify are the teachings
00:21:09 that are in here and how it contradicts
00:21:11 other things in the scriptures or things
00:21:14 that Joseph Smith has stated well
00:21:16 technically you could quantify that by
00:21:18 comparing this letter to lecture on
00:21:21 faith five because lecture on faith 5 is
00:21:23 almost 75% his
00:21:25 work uh and I
00:21:28 so I know there’s statistical tools to
00:21:31 do that I don’t know how to do that at
00:21:33 this point so right right yeah okay but
00:21:37 I’m just saying that it’s possible to do
00:21:39 ab sure sure sure it’s out of my skill
00:21:42 level right now um but if you learn how
00:21:44 to do that let’s talk because that is I
00:21:47 I actually would like to do that with
00:21:49 all the DNC sections but anyways um so
00:21:53 there’s no actual Revelation about
00:21:55 recorder 127 talks about about it a
00:21:58 little bit but it says he’ll it’ll if I
00:22:01 remember off of my vague memory it’ll
00:22:02 give him more details later we don’t
00:22:06 have that where is
00:22:08 it right so um going on I have had a few
00:22:14 additional views in relation to this
00:22:18 matter um so views that’s a personal
00:22:22 opinion and not Revelation so first he
00:22:25 says Revelation and then some views
00:22:29 which so he’s waffling on which so
00:22:32 there’s waffling on what it
00:22:34 is correct now uh even when we expound
00:22:38 scriptures it’s not personal views right
00:22:41 because the expounding is based upon
00:22:44 scriptures right right so I do have an
00:22:47 issue with these uh um his
00:22:52 views
00:22:54 um okay which I now certify and I
00:22:59 anyways that just does not sound like
00:23:01 Joseph Smith but I can’t quantify that
00:23:03 right now that is it was
00:23:07 declared in my former letter that there
00:23:10 should be a recorder who should be
00:23:13 iwitness and also to hear with his ears
00:23:17 that he might make a record of Truth
00:23:20 before Yahweh
00:23:22 so um the letter but the letter itself
00:23:26 doesn’t really say th sayith Yahweh so
00:23:29 where is that thus sayith Yahweh of
00:23:32 Revelation that he’s stating here so I I
00:23:35 have just reviewing it right now there’s
00:23:37 multiple issues there um so unless Ben
00:23:40 wants to say something let’s look at the
00:23:42 notes that I
00:23:44 have no so we’re going to look at the
00:23:46 notes so additional views which is
00:23:50 bringing out it’s a personal opinion
00:23:52 contrast expounding scriptures which I
00:23:54 already mentioned that church law is is
00:23:58 based upon scriptures not Joseph Smith’s
00:24:00 views so let’s go look at that real
00:24:05 quick Church government law so I have
00:24:09 two on this um D see
00:24:14 4259 Thou shalt take the things which
00:24:17 thou Hast received as in from Yahweh not
00:24:21 opinions which have been given unto you
00:24:25 unto thee in my scriptures for law to be
00:24:29 my law to govern the church so it is
00:24:33 yahweh’s law his personal words that’s
00:24:37 to govern the church not Joseph Smith
00:24:41 opinions okay let’s go see what DNC 58
00:24:44 says uh verse 23 behold the laws which
00:24:49 ye have received from my yahweh’s hand
00:24:53 are the laws of the church and in this
00:24:57 light you you shall hold them forth
00:24:59 behold here is wisdom so here is another
00:25:03 verse that states that it’s not Joseph
00:25:06 Smith’s opinions on what dictate what we
00:25:09 should be doing it is actual words of
00:25:14 Yahweh AKA Revelations AKA thus saith
00:25:19 Yahweh okay so I’m gonna actually play a
00:25:21 little bit of Devil’s Advocate here okay
00:25:24 that is um when it says I’ve had a few
00:25:26 additional views could be talking about
00:25:30 Visions um and that is what a believer
00:25:33 that is what somebody who believes that
00:25:35 this is um authentic that’s how they
00:25:38 will read that they will read I’ve had a
00:25:40 few additional Visions in relation to
00:25:42 this well let’s uh so let’s go along
00:25:44 with that Devil’s Advocate let’s go look
00:25:46 at the word views um to me that’s not
00:25:49 convincing but let’s go look at it right
00:25:53 right uh 182 if I could type not the
00:25:58 1898
00:26:00 one that won’t help much well it might
00:26:04 but I do think the 1828 is better for
00:26:06 this right because this is the time of
00:26:07 Joseph Smith so let’s go look at view
00:26:10 let’s see if it can add get Vision out
00:26:13 of
00:26:14 that uh to survey to examine with the
00:26:18 eye
00:26:21 uh you see Visions so now let’s to
00:26:26 perceive by the eye yep yeah yeah to
00:26:29 inspect to
00:26:31 explore view differs to look see and
00:26:34 behold expressing more particular and
00:26:36 continued attention to the things which
00:26:39 is object of sight we ascended
00:26:43 Mount holy
00:26:46 Yol and
00:26:48 viewed charm but this is going off of
00:26:51 something they see and this is the view
00:26:54 up here is going off an an opinion cuz I
00:26:58 had a few additional Visions in relation
00:27:01 to this matter
00:27:03 I well and let’s look at the plural of
00:27:06 views just because that’s the word
00:27:08 that’s actually to the plural of
00:27:11 views um well all right well it’s to see
00:27:15 perceived by the I to sometimes when you
00:27:19 put it when you put the actual plural in
00:27:22 a completely different definition pops
00:27:24 up oh all right so which one would that
00:27:27 because I think it’s basically you with
00:27:30 an
00:27:32 S okay so which number do you want to
00:27:35 get specific okay
00:27:39 uh let’s see
00:27:43 Prospect well I was talking about
00:27:45 entering views and up at the top not one
00:27:48 of these definitions here for the
00:27:49 singular of view which is going to be
00:27:52 very much about site power scene limit
00:27:54 of site elect metal site uh um let
00:28:04 see so while he’s looking for that
00:28:06 Prospect site the whole extent
00:28:10 scene power of seeing intellect I think
00:28:14 that’s more what’s going for but s um
00:28:20 but I can kind of see what you’re trying
00:28:23 to be play Devil’s Advocate with what
00:28:25 were you saying Zach there’s 12 on there
00:28:30 12 uh intention purpose
00:28:33 design what the view 13 opin and 13 is
00:28:37 the one that you are using to refute
00:28:40 that verse which is opinion matter of
00:28:42 seeing or understanding manner of seeing
00:28:44 or understanding right right um so I
00:28:48 guess with the the multiple definitions
00:28:52 in in here it it could go either way
00:28:55 that’s right well that’s that’s that’s
00:28:58 what I’m saying is that that may that
00:29:00 may not be the the few additional views
00:29:03 may not be the strongest Point by which
00:29:06 sure um but that there should be
00:29:09 recorded uh or
00:29:13 wait a few I wrote a few words of
00:29:16 Revelation to you concerning a repor
00:29:18 well okay but Revelations but th those
00:29:21 are Visions because DNC 76 yeah so but I
00:29:25 guess the strongest thing would be where
00:29:27 are
00:29:29 those right where are the words of
00:29:32 Revelation not the words of a
00:29:34 letter
00:29:37 right um but anyways I I looking at the
00:29:41 definition I can kind of see what you’re
00:29:43 getting at I I’m personally not
00:29:46 convinced but I can understand it more
00:29:49 right right right so this is I’m and
00:29:54 uh in relation to this matter which I
00:29:57 now certify how do you certify right
00:30:00 right but this is a much strong that’s a
00:30:02 much stronger way to attack how do you
00:30:05 certify I guess we’ll find out later as
00:30:07 he tries to go to the word to certify
00:30:09 his views for sure but I I do think
00:30:13 though um even if it was a
00:30:16 vision right and him explaining things
00:30:19 if we look at the DNC 42 and was it DNC
00:30:25 58 um it needs to be his words
00:30:29 and Visions because DNC 76 although I do
00:30:33 believe it’s re Revelation and authentic
00:30:36 there’s nothing in it that’s really
00:30:37 binding for the church to govern the
00:30:40 church by right right right it’s helping
00:30:44 us understand the next
00:30:47 life yeah yeah exactly it’s helping us
00:30:51 understand the next step so but I so
00:30:54 even if it views is vision if we take
00:30:58 DNC 42 and 58 and account I still think
00:31:01 it doesn’t count right yeah it doesn’t
00:31:03 count because you’re supposed to go by
00:31:05 The Words which y Elohim has caused to
00:31:08 be
00:31:10 written so I I I can see it a little bit
00:31:14 but when taking account other things it
00:31:18 to me it still doesn’t fly
00:31:21 right that is it was declared by my
00:31:23 former letter that there should be a
00:31:25 recorder um
00:31:30 it it was briefly mentioned but all
00:31:33 right we I I think we’re ready for verse
00:31:35 three and if you’re moving on to verse
00:31:37 three okay yeah well are you willing to
00:31:39 read that Ben absolutely now in relation
00:31:42 to this matter it would be very
00:31:44 difficult for one recorder to be present
00:31:45 at all times and to do all the business
00:31:48 to obviate this difficulty there can be
00:31:50 a record appointed in each ward of the
00:31:53 city who is well qualified for taking
00:31:55 accurate minutes I he writes real good
00:31:59 and let him be very particular and
00:32:02 precise in taking the whole
00:32:04 proceedings and as he came out of the
00:32:07 water snut came out of his nose and
00:32:09 we’re writing that down too certifying
00:32:13 in his record
00:32:15 that oh all right well let’s not uh be
00:32:19 too factious okay
00:32:23 sorry that he saw with his eyes and
00:32:25 heard with his ears giving the date
00:32:27 names and so forth and the history of
00:32:29 the whole transaction naming also some
00:32:32 three individuals that are present if
00:32:34 there be any present it what wait what
00:32:38 wait what if present wait a minute I
00:32:41 thought there need to be two or three
00:32:43 Witnesses not zero two or three right
00:32:46 right wait
00:32:48 what who can at any time when called
00:32:51 upon certified to the same that in the
00:32:53 mouth of two or three Witnesses or zero
00:32:55 to three Witnesses every word may be
00:33:00 established so here I’m just applying
00:33:04 the previous logic to this
00:33:07 sentence where it says if there be any
00:33:10 present yeah yeah there there’s there’s
00:33:13 a problem with that right because two or
00:33:15 three
00:33:16 witnesses that that does not include
00:33:18 zero but what one thing um that I’m just
00:33:23 kind of seeing right here that I don’t
00:33:26 think I had in my previous notes is Ward
00:33:30 so uh that is a masonic term it’s an old
00:33:34 Masonic term but um in these all the DNC
00:33:39 sections that I believe that are
00:33:42 authentic none of them have the word
00:33:45 ward in them it’s only Branch so that is
00:33:49 concerning
00:33:50 yeah
00:33:52 um yeah that’s that would be that would
00:33:55 be a reason that would be a big old red
00:33:58 flag as to well depending of course on
00:34:02 whether or not you believe that Joseph
00:34:04 Smith was
00:34:05 Mason right I I do not um and I don’t
00:34:09 because uh the Masons had issues with uh
00:34:13 Brigham Young’s uh recordkeeping
00:34:17 recordkeeping so just real quick let’s
00:34:20 see what the last what the sections that
00:34:22 have Branch are let’s take everything
00:34:25 out except the DNC yeah
00:34:28 yeah
00:34:31 oops
00:34:37 I so um 133 would have been
00:34:42 after8 we could go let’s go double check
00:34:45 all
00:34:49 right oops if I hit the right button
00:34:52 sorry I don’t know 133 was actually
00:34:54 written before it was written at the
00:34:55 same time as one
00:34:58 133 was the um there was a preface and a
00:35:05 uh uh so this
00:35:07 1831 so that was then this was written
00:35:12 the this was written at roughly the same
00:35:14 time as section
00:35:15 one of which section section one oh
00:35:20 okay supposed to be the preface and the
00:35:24 and the uh what’s that word what’s that
00:35:27 fancy word for the thing at the end the
00:35:29 I guess epilog the preface the epilog
00:35:31 for the book of Commandments and and the
00:35:34 doctrine covs so 10 section 107 was
00:35:41 1835 um I’m 72 is going to be be
00:35:45 probably before that I just we’re going
00:35:47 to double
00:35:49 check because it’s uh pretty clear at
00:35:53 this point that it’s not and that’s
00:35:56 that’s close to the that’s close to
00:35:58 133 yeah that’s 1831 we can do one I
00:36:03 mean section 20 that one was
00:36:08 early that might have been given before
00:36:10 the church was fully organized but I’m
00:36:13 not sure about that yeah uh 1829 so yeah
00:36:17 yep and then 10 definitely was before
00:36:20 the church was organized because that
00:36:21 one has to do with praying and the
00:36:24 Translating the plates right 1828 so um
00:36:30 now let’s look up W see how many times
00:36:32 the word w shows up okay so we’re gonna
00:36:36 have to use the index that because my
00:36:39 program well actually so we can do the
00:36:42 authentic ones it’ll probably never come
00:36:44 up but if we want to look at the
00:36:46 non-authentic ones we can use the oh
00:36:49 look at that I was right none of them
00:36:51 came up but let’s go look at let’s give
00:36:53 them benefit of the doubt let’s go look
00:36:54 at the index
00:36:58 look
00:37:05 for there we go oh look only
00:37:12 128 which is even according to their own
00:37:16 index I do think that makes it
00:37:19 suspicious
00:37:21 right yeah I’m gonna yeah but especially
00:37:25 considering Mas Mason used that Mason
00:37:29 wrote that yeah yeah all right so enough
00:37:33 with that one let’s go look at my notes
00:37:35 that I have for
00:37:37 three
00:37:38 uh I have oh first one here in the LDS
00:37:42 brigite temples they don’t have a person
00:37:45 for each Ward making sure to see that
00:37:48 the ward members are doing accordance to
00:37:50 their supposed Revelation yeah that’s
00:37:52 right so there is just someone there to
00:37:57 do it right there is not necessarily
00:38:00 someone from the war doing it
00:38:03 right now we were my award was pretty
00:38:07 good to have the to be for providing the
00:38:09 witnesses for award that I was in in the
00:38:12 Mexico that when I was going down with
00:38:14 the youth all the time to do these
00:38:16 things uh they were pretty good about
00:38:18 providing Witnesses what have
00:38:21 you but but it’s not required according
00:38:24 to the Revelation right right so that
00:38:28 there’s one spot that they’re
00:38:30 contradicting so another note I have why
00:38:33 is the word history being used here it
00:38:36 okay just happened right then there is
00:38:38 no history to
00:38:40 consider I me I’m trying to look I was
00:38:43 trying to find the word history because
00:38:44 I saw that note
00:38:46 [Music]
00:38:48 um and the history of there oh
00:38:53 yeah yeah so the history of the whole
00:38:58 transaction um well I I I guess uh
00:39:02 looking at this
00:39:04 the maybe they used history different
00:39:06 back then but I I just basically all the
00:39:10 events that happened that happened right
00:39:12 but it’s still kind of weird because it
00:39:14 just happened right it’s the history
00:39:17 doesn’t seem to
00:39:18 fit but maybe history was used a little
00:39:21 different back then um in fact let’s
00:39:23 just go look real
00:39:25 quick
00:39:27 an account of facts particularly facts
00:39:30 represent Nations or States events in
00:39:33 order which they happen which their
00:39:35 causes and
00:39:38 effect them okay the narrative
00:39:44 narration knowledge of the facts okay so
00:39:47 looking at the dictionary descrip and
00:39:49 then here
00:39:51 description so this is where it just be
00:39:53 how history was used a little different
00:39:55 in the past
00:39:57 right so maybe that one’s not so valid
00:40:00 right right uh okay my other note the
00:40:03 word transaction makes me think of the
00:40:06 any F your lie oh
00:40:10 yeah
00:40:11 so they’re
00:40:13 [Music]
00:40:15 on um
00:40:18 oh what is Mark’s website I
00:40:21 forget uh Hemlock knots.com oh yeah so
00:40:25 hemlock
00:40:28 not Benny
00:40:31 eler I know they have a yeah
00:40:35 so they have a a page specifically for
00:40:39 Fanny aler right and it doesn’t add up
00:40:43 so I’ll add this to the
00:40:45 notes um so when it I put it in the
00:40:50 transcript and yeah it just does not add
00:40:53 up right right but I the more that I’m
00:40:57 trying to Bing out here is that word to
00:41:00 me is
00:41:02 suspicious right fact along those lines
00:41:06 let’s see if we find
00:41:08 transaction the whole thing about
00:41:11 transaction is that it indicates
00:41:14 something of
00:41:16 business uh yeah and it’s nowhere in the
00:41:21 DNC according
00:41:23 to legitimate sections
00:41:26 let’s
00:41:28 go um let’s go do their index T’s before
00:41:34 W guess I need to go back to school
00:41:38 um
00:41:40 transaction
00:41:44 TR RP
00:41:47 translate used so off it’s us so often
00:41:51 it doesn’t even go go up a little more
00:41:53 transaction oh transaction here we go
00:41:58 um Translate translation this is you you
00:42:02 clicked on translation not transl okay
00:42:07 oopsie so yeah it’s used so often in the
00:42:10 scriptures that it doesn’t even rate an
00:42:13 index um yeah so
00:42:17 yeah sorry
00:42:19 folks um it’s not even the word but um
00:42:22 shall we go look up the definition yeah
00:42:26 let’s look up the definition of
00:42:41 transaction uh that which is done an
00:42:45 affair the doing or performing of any
00:42:48 business an affair yes well that goes
00:42:52 with fny aler but that’s I don’t believe
00:42:55 that actually happened the civil law an
00:42:58 adjustment of a a dispute between
00:43:01 Parties by mutual
00:43:03 agreement
00:43:05 um maybe right but it’s it’s nowhere
00:43:10 else in scriptures so which the Lord the
00:43:14 Lord we can
00:43:16 we we can see that the Lord does not use
00:43:20 that that word is not it’s not heavy in
00:43:23 the Lord’s vocabulary that’s correct
00:43:25 well this is a letter from Joseph Smith
00:43:28 supposedly right but there’s other
00:43:31 letters in the DNC that I do believe are
00:43:33 authentic and that NE they didn’t cause
00:43:35 a hit right right so that that
00:43:39 definitely puts the wording in
00:43:42 suspicion uh the other thing I have
00:43:44 three individuals are present scriptures
00:43:48 talks about two or three not three or as
00:43:53 we said if any so that’s zero
00:43:57 three not three I’m going to add or Z
00:44:04 oops or zero right in
00:44:10 addition if nobody happens to be present
00:44:13 right right because that would be
00:44:15 zero in addition LDS brigite practices
00:44:18 to not three right that’s true that’s
00:44:23 true um so I mean if they do believe
00:44:27 this is authentic why aren’t they doing
00:44:29 three as it states here and and when it
00:44:32 comes to the uh
00:44:34 confirmations unless the people
00:44:36 performing the confirmations are the
00:44:39 witnesses there are no there there are
00:44:41 practically no Witnesses correct because
00:44:44 they’re part of the ordinance um oh and
00:44:47 then my other note actually brings out
00:44:48 the zero right if any present so I guess
00:44:52 I I caught that before so Zach are you
00:44:55 willing to read verse
00:45:00 four and let there be a general recorder
00:45:04 to whom these other records can be
00:45:08 handed being attended with certificates
00:45:11 over their own
00:45:13 signatures certifying that the record
00:45:15 they have made is true then the general
00:45:19 Church recorder can answer the record on
00:45:21 the general Church book with the
00:45:24 certificates and all the attending say
00:45:27 with his own statement that he faily
00:45:29 believes the above statement and Records
00:45:31 to be true from his knowledge of the
00:45:34 general character and appointment of
00:45:36 those men by the church and when this is
00:45:40 done on the general book Church book The
00:45:43 Record shall be just as holy and shall
00:45:46 answer the ordinance just the same as if
00:45:49 he had seen with his eyes and heard with
00:45:51 his ears and made a record the same on
00:45:54 the general Church
00:45:57 book okay so there’s a couple problems
00:45:59 here um I see a lot of problem okay so
00:46:04 go ahead okay so first
00:46:08 off we’re just going to
00:46:12 uh ascertain that something is true
00:46:15 because somebody got because it’s done
00:46:17 by somebody who was
00:46:20 called by a leader that’s
00:46:24 um and and on that point I I mean
00:46:28 doesn’t it say two or three Witnesses
00:46:30 and here they’re saying one witness
00:46:32 right
00:46:33 right um well but it but it’s it’s with
00:46:37 all the witness
00:46:39 statements and this is very this is a
00:46:42 very very specific procedure that
00:46:44 absolutely is not
00:46:46 followed correct um in fact nowadays
00:46:49 they from what I’ve seen this is where I
00:46:51 don’t know for sure but from what I have
00:46:54 seen they just put put into a computer
00:46:57 right right which is definitely not
00:47:00 being
00:47:01 followed if this is postly what’s
00:47:04 supposed to be happening
00:47:06 right
00:47:11 so General Church
00:47:13 book a general Church book cannot be
00:47:19 holy because holy means set
00:47:22 apart a general Church book cannot be
00:47:25 holy
00:47:26 right right because it’s not set apart
00:47:27 it’s General you can’t have it be
00:47:29 General and set apart at the same time
00:47:33 which is actually one of my notes I have
00:47:35 here right records are not holy records
00:47:37 are true or false uh Torah teaches how
00:47:40 to be holy and it’s by keeping Torah
00:47:44 which is being separate from the world
00:47:46 right
00:47:48 holy and general are two contradicting
00:47:54 terms
00:47:57 so uh unless Ben has something else you
00:48:00 say we can look at some my other
00:48:02 notes yeah
00:48:06 so the the other not I have
00:48:10 the somehow ascertaining that because
00:48:14 guys were called by their buddies to be
00:48:16 re
00:48:17 recorders uh makes it honest and
00:48:21 holy uh the
00:48:24 or ascertain the ascertaining of this
00:48:26 makes it so that that man has seen it
00:48:28 with his own eyes and ears and heard it
00:48:31 with his own ears right and that’s not
00:48:33 the case right you it this is where this
00:48:38 is hearsay right it doesn’t make it true
00:48:42 uh and this brings up another point that
00:48:44 been brought up uh people who were put
00:48:47 into place by their
00:48:49 buddies um callings in the yahweh’s
00:48:54 church is done by by Common consent and
00:48:57 by
00:48:58 votes not by
00:49:00 someone outside the ward specifying it
00:49:04 should happen right so look y
00:49:08 voted voted voted and the these are DNC
00:49:14 sections uh this is a note here from
00:49:18 briam Young himself yeah he says vote
00:49:23 here’s Journal of discourses
00:49:26 uh Always responsibilization by The
00:49:29 Voice which is of the people which is
00:49:32 vote uh by the confidence faith of the
00:49:34 MERS upheld chosen by the body which is
00:49:38 vote right all this is
00:49:43 voting um
00:49:47 so always no church the teachers are
00:49:51 upheld by
00:49:53 vote uh of
00:49:56 the local Congregation of the local
00:50:00 right the higher ups if fact I have
00:50:02 quotes in some of my posts that I have
00:50:04 from Joseph Smith it states that the uh
00:50:08 general
00:50:09 authorities don’t have any place to
00:50:12 specify anything in local branches local
00:50:16 branches yeah they have no power or
00:50:19 authority
00:50:20 there in fact to the point if the bishop
00:50:23 doesn’t want to allow them to even come
00:50:26 and visit they’re not even allowed to do
00:50:30 that so well this is why this is
00:50:34 why you have Paul in numerous of his
00:50:38 letters um and and in numerous of his
00:50:42 discourses and acts where he’s thanking
00:50:45 them for allowing him to be
00:50:48 there right because they don’t have to
00:50:50 let them be
00:50:52 there and then also early in Acts
00:50:56 when the uh the church was first being
00:50:58 built the the members were telling the
00:51:01 apostles you need to do this and they’re
00:51:03 like nope sorry that’s your problem not
00:51:06 mine
00:51:07 right and they they told them you go
00:51:10 figure out among yourselves who is to do
00:51:15 it yeah um that’s early acts I don’t
00:51:19 remember the chapter and I’d rather not
00:51:20 Sidetrack to go find it but it’s there
00:51:24 right which is which actually goes along
00:51:26 with the DNC and contradicts LDS false
00:51:31 Traditions
00:51:33 right all right so let’s see the
00:51:37 recorder is to state that he believes
00:51:39 the record is given to him to do which
00:51:43 is research and pray about not just say
00:51:45 oh this guy says it’s true okay so this
00:51:47 is right this even if you believe if
00:51:50 this is what he’s supposed to be doing
00:51:52 is contradicts DNC 8 and n has to do
00:51:55 with you study out and then pray about
00:51:57 and get confirmation right
00:52:00 right so I mean I I do believe DNC 8 and
00:52:05 nine is authentic
00:52:09 okay uh ordinance is not only a ceremony
00:52:13 but also a rule so why did I say
00:52:19 that uh shall answer the ordinance just
00:52:23 the same as if he had seen with his own
00:52:25 eyes and his
00:52:27 own uh okay yeah so I this is where
00:52:32 they’re making
00:52:34 hearsay um actually valid in courts and
00:52:37 it’s not right right so they are they
00:52:40 are
00:52:41 here in this
00:52:44 letter they are in violation of Kora
00:52:47 whoever wrote it and I do not believe
00:52:49 that Joseph Smith wrote it no I don’t
00:52:51 believe Joseph Smith wrote it either so
00:52:54 the other note I have for four is making
00:52:57 the one who’s putting all the records
00:52:59 together as a witness himself which is
00:53:01 not as we talked about which is going
00:53:03 against actual definition of what a
00:53:05 witness is right as we talked about
00:53:11 um he’s going off a
00:53:13 hearsay the the thing is is that these
00:53:17 these
00:53:20 Witnesses in
00:53:23 a in a in a Hebrew court of
00:53:27 law the three Witnesses have to be
00:53:29 independent
00:53:31 Witnesses two or three but yes yes the
00:53:35 the witnesses have to be independent
00:53:36 Witnesses they cannot just be oh yep yep
00:53:43 yep which is I know Ben’s being a little
00:53:46 funny but that’s basically what uh verse
00:53:50 four is making the recorder or the
00:53:52 general recorder being like a yep yep
00:53:54 yep right yep and uh the whole thing
00:53:57 about that is somehow this
00:54:02 this Yes Man rubber stamp can seal
00:54:06 something on Earth and in
00:54:10 heaven no and that goes against the
00:54:14 ceiling power that’s actually talked
00:54:16 about in scriptures um yeah I have a
00:54:20 post on I’ll put it in the notes so
00:54:22 people can go look at it later um and
00:54:27 the Book of Mormon teach and the New
00:54:30 Testament teaches something different
00:54:31 about sealing power which in
00:54:34 summary briefly is that someone with
00:54:37 that power is just
00:54:41 enacting what heaven had already
00:54:44 decreed right right and the other thing
00:54:47 about this
00:54:50 is the as we’re going to see as we go
00:54:54 through this section that it sets up a
00:54:56 completely different idea of what the
00:54:58 sealing power is something that is
00:55:04 not of the Gospel but is of that that is
00:55:08 indeed another gospel right right it’s
00:55:13 so this is going off of what I don’t
00:55:16 believe 128 is authentic it
00:55:20 contradicts the already established word
00:55:23 of Yahweh what
00:55:25 which uh and also this is not in the
00:55:29 1835 DNC okay so let me find
00:55:47 it oh here we go so if a man preaches to
00:55:50 you doctrines contrary to the Bible Book
00:55:52 of Mormon or the book of
00:55:56 doctrine of covenants 1835 which is the
00:55:59 last one was um that was with Joseph
00:56:01 Smith set him down as an impostor try
00:56:05 them by the principles came contained in
00:56:08 the
00:56:09 acknowledged word of Elohim if they
00:56:11 preach teach or practice contrary to
00:56:13 that disfellowship them cut them off
00:56:16 from among you as useless and dangerous
00:56:20 branches and the church failed to do
00:56:23 that yeah
00:56:25 therefore they therefore they fell from
00:56:27 Grace yeah and it’s still happening
00:56:30 today um which is sad but
00:56:34 anyways um but I I cut this BR or this
00:56:39 section as a deadly Branch um anyways so
00:56:44 uh
00:56:45 Zach uh oh wa you just read four didn’t
00:56:48 you uh Ben you want to read five you may
00:56:52 think this order of things to be very
00:56:53 particular but let me tell tell you that
00:56:55 it is only to answer the will of
00:56:59 God okay so obviously he’s
00:57:02 already
00:57:04 imagining what um people are going to
00:57:08 people’s arguments but let me tell you
00:57:10 that is only the in to answer the will
00:57:13 of God there okay will of God let’s turn
00:57:16 off the
00:57:17 Mind by conforming to the ordinance and
00:57:20 preparation that the Lord ordained and
00:57:22 prepared for the before the foundation
00:57:24 of the world for the Salvation of the
00:57:25 Dead who should die without a knowledge
00:57:28 of the
00:57:30 Gospel so uh The Book of Mormon teaches
00:57:35 against baptism of the dead as we went
00:57:37 over in DNC 127 quite a bit so I’ll put
00:57:41 a link to that
00:57:42 recording but um if this was prepared
00:57:47 before the foundation of the
00:57:49 world why is it the Book of Mormon
00:57:52 actually teaches against it in many ways
00:57:54 ways
00:57:56 including stating that the gospel was
00:58:00 preached to All Nations contrary to the
00:58:04 narrative that gets pushed to justify
00:58:07 baptisms of the Dead in the brigite
00:58:10 church and I will ask this as
00:58:13 well why even after the return of Christ
00:58:18 because I know that there are some
00:58:19 people who argue that at the return of
00:58:22 Christ this was the more excellent way
00:58:24 that Paul spoke
00:58:26 of why after the return of Christ in the
00:58:29 Book of Mormon is there no reference to
00:58:31 baptisms for the
00:58:34 dead right
00:58:37 um I I I don’t know if thought my head
00:58:40 if it actually speaks against it after
00:58:42 it just to play Devil’s Advocate a
00:58:44 little bit but Yahweh doesn’t turn to
00:58:48 the left or the right so if it spoke
00:58:50 against it before and didn’t give away
00:58:54 out
00:58:55 right for the
00:58:57 future
00:58:59 um it shouldn’t have
00:59:02 changed right right because the Book of
00:59:06 Mormon does give explanations to why law
00:59:11 Moses was done away if you read it
00:59:13 carefully right yes but not Torah those
00:59:16 are two different things and jst Genesis
00:59:20 17 talks
00:59:22 about um what why um circumcision could
00:59:28 be done away with right because it was a
00:59:29 punishment actually but anyways so I
00:59:34 find it very curious though at the very
00:59:36 beginning of this you may think this
00:59:38 order of things to be very
00:59:41 particular that’s not this uh yeah this
00:59:46 second guessing of himself was not
00:59:48 customary in Joseph Smith’s manner of
00:59:50 writing no he he was confident and firm
00:59:54 and
00:59:55 bold that’s to me not very bold right
00:59:59 but
01:00:00 anyways but this I do understand that is
01:00:03 somewhat speculative that portion but
01:00:05 then find but then when you couple that
01:00:08 with the appeal to Authority right
01:00:12 afterward right right where uh that
01:00:15 contradicts uh DNC 1221 fact let’s let’s
01:00:18 go add that to the notes that’s a good
01:00:20 point there right yep verse five a
01:00:28 p to
01:00:30 Authority contrary to DNC 121 I forget
01:00:35 the verse number but anyways right um
01:00:38 but it is in there right that no manner
01:00:41 the pried should be upheld by forcing it
01:00:45 by by persuasion but by persuasion
01:00:49 weekness gentleness and love on Fame
01:00:51 right right and
01:00:53 so
01:00:56 that’s all for persuasion gentleness
01:00:58 meekness love
01:00:59 un anyway which sounds like uh Galatians
01:01:03 5 which is a list of Torah Commandments
01:01:07 right right which I have which I have
01:01:11 gone over in a previous presentation
01:01:14 yeah uh exactly so um so that’s a good
01:01:19 another good point to add there right so
01:01:22 very good all right so I’ll read verse
01:01:25 six and further I want you to remember
01:01:29 that John the Revelator was
01:01:31 contemplating this very subject in
01:01:34 relation to the Dead when he
01:01:37 declared as you will find recorded in
01:01:40 Revelations 2012 and I saw the dead
01:01:44 small and great stand before Elohim and
01:01:47 the books were opened another book was
01:01:50 opened which was the book of life and
01:01:52 the dead were judged out of those things
01:01:54 were were written in the books according
01:01:56 to their works okay number one this is
01:01:59 taking that verse horribly out of
01:02:04 context to apply it to something to
01:02:06 which it does not apply no book of uh no
01:02:12 book of necromantic
01:02:15 dealings has anything to do with the
01:02:17 Book of
01:02:19 Life uh yes and so I I just to help
01:02:25 understand why people or why Ben called
01:02:28 it this so if we go look at mosiah 18
01:02:32 and other verses dealing with
01:02:35 baptism before someone is
01:02:38 baptized they have to have already made
01:02:41 a covenant to keep all of yahweh’s
01:02:46 commandments so unless you absolutely
01:02:50 know that they had made that Covenant
01:02:52 which how are you going to know that
01:02:54 they made that Covenant other than you
01:02:56 talk to them which is
01:02:58 necromancy how can you know that they
01:03:01 made that Covenant that now then you can
01:03:04 go do that ordinance for
01:03:06 them
01:03:07 right so that goes against the order of
01:03:13 making a covenant and then baptism as
01:03:16 the scriptures uh one example is mosiah
01:03:19 18 teaches right it’s not that you get
01:03:23 baptized and then you make a covenant no
01:03:27 baptism is a witness of a covenant that
01:03:30 was already made and when you consider
01:03:34 that the Lord God
01:03:37 in I believe it second
01:03:40 Nephi states that he sends Witnesses
01:03:44 into all the world to teach his
01:03:48 gospel you know why can’t you just have
01:03:50 faith in his word this whole section
01:03:53 smacks of I don’t believe the word of
01:03:55 God when it’s said to
01:03:58 me yes so um I want to blame God for the
01:04:03 Injustice that I I think that that I
01:04:06 believe that I perceive in the
01:04:09 world yeah so let me read my little note
01:04:13 on for verse six that I have so the
01:04:16 books from Revelation
01:04:17 2012 are not the books kept by man who
01:04:21 make
01:04:23 mistakes uh either initially or the
01:04:27 copies of them later on right but is
01:04:30 kept by Yahweh who is perfect and knows
01:04:34 all including the works we do in the
01:04:38 dark where just men don’t know those
01:04:42 works except it’s revealed to them but
01:04:46 even
01:04:48 um on the occasion that those are
01:04:52 revealed see Nephi book of helan and and
01:04:56 King Benjamin stating that I will
01:04:58 enumerate all the things that you can
01:05:00 sin against but um also I just want to
01:05:04 add here
01:05:07 um even when
01:05:10 these uh sins are revealed to us through
01:05:14 Yahweh um they cannot be used as
01:05:17 Witnesses
01:05:19 against in a court of or with judges
01:05:23 fall Torah because we need two witnesses
01:05:28 not two Revelations okay so Nephi
01:05:33 revealed it people went and went and
01:05:36 confirmed it with Witnesses with actual
01:05:39 people that could go see it and he
01:05:42 confessed then it was used against him
01:05:45 it couldn’t be used against him just
01:05:47 because it was
01:05:48 revealed yeah so the point is like a in
01:05:52 a in a court of in a
01:05:54 T in a Torah
01:05:56 Court the witnesses must be independent
01:05:59 two Revelations from God are not
01:06:02 independent of each other right because
01:06:04 that that’s coming from one witness
01:06:06 right right but there they’re because
01:06:10 people claim Revelations from Yahweh all
01:06:13 the time they can’t be used in a court
01:06:16 of law or a court of Torah okay uh you
01:06:20 need actual real Witnesses
01:06:24 uh in fact just to uh harp a little bit
01:06:28 on something uh there were some people
01:06:32 claiming Revelation from Yahweh and
01:06:35 pushing people to say well we need to
01:06:37 believe in this promise guess what it
01:06:39 didn’t happen showing people claim
01:06:43 things from Yahweh all the time that
01:06:45 actually never came from him thus why we
01:06:49 can’t use it in a court of Torah yeah
01:06:52 there’s people who claim stuff from
01:06:54 Yahweh all the time that may not be from
01:06:57 Yahweh that there’s Revelation comes
01:07:00 from three
01:07:01 sources
01:07:02 play our own
01:07:04 brain because we’re very imaginative
01:07:08 preatures
01:07:11 and the devil
01:07:15 yep now on on what especially in
01:07:18 Doctrine uh we can compare what the
01:07:21 Revelation States according to the
01:07:23 already established word of God Elohim
01:07:26 as we looked at a quote from Joseph
01:07:28 Smith already on right and that’s
01:07:30 throughout the
01:07:31 scriptures including DNC and lectures on
01:07:34 faith but I do think I I do want to
01:07:37 reiterate here that
01:07:40 men do not have the ability to read
01:07:43 men’s Hearts like God does okay nor is
01:07:48 there anything in Torah where men is to
01:07:51 judge people according to
01:07:54 their desires and wants or their hearts
01:07:58 because we can’t read
01:08:01 them but we can see their actions we can
01:08:04 see what they’ve said right we can hear
01:08:06 what they’ve said we can see what
01:08:07 they’ve done but my point is part of
01:08:12 being in heaven is that it’s written on
01:08:14 our hearts and we’re not just doing
01:08:16 things to deceive people and so men do
01:08:21 not have the capability of knowing that
01:08:23 so how can men
01:08:26 bind supposedly bind on Earth what’s
01:08:29 Bound in heaven when we don’t know their
01:08:31 hearts okay that’s the main point I’m
01:08:34 trying to get out so yep anyways I think
01:08:38 that’s good on verse six
01:08:41 and okay uh Zack will you read
01:08:46 seven all
01:08:49 right you will discover in this
01:08:51 quotation of the books were opened
01:08:55 and another book was
01:08:56 opened which was the book of life but
01:08:59 the dead were judged out of those things
01:09:02 which are written in in the books
01:09:05 according to their Works
01:09:08 consequently the books spoken of must be
01:09:10 the books which contain the record of
01:09:13 their
01:09:14 works and refer to the records which are
01:09:17 kept on the earth and the book which
01:09:20 which was the book of life is the record
01:09:23 which is kept in
01:09:24 Heaven the principle agreeing precisely
01:09:26 with the
01:09:27 doctrine which is command commanded you
01:09:31 in the Revelation contained in a in a
01:09:34 letter which I wrote to you previous to
01:09:37 my leaving my place then all your
01:09:40 recordings may be recorded in heaven
01:09:43 well isn’t it great that a baptism well
01:09:49 recorded saves you no need for Yeshua
01:09:54 No need no need for the atonement you
01:09:57 have a baptism well
01:09:59 recorded well so the one thing that this
01:10:03 uh definitely leaves out which I don’t
01:10:06 have here that I’m going to add right
01:10:08 now is
01:10:10 in
01:10:12 um second Nephi 9 I forget the verse we
01:10:16 can go find it it’s not too hard to find
01:10:19 but it does say there’s
01:10:22 only Yahweh does
01:10:26 not
01:10:27 um enlist a servant at the gate right
01:10:32 right yeah I’m looking for it uh so this
01:10:36 verse here is somewhat implying that
01:10:38 just because a servant wrote down their
01:10:41 name in a book They’re going to heaven
01:10:44 which contradicts what is stated in
01:10:47 second Nephi 9 about how um Yahweh
01:10:51 employs no servant at the gate gate
01:10:54 meaning it is only Yahweh Elohim who is
01:10:57 Yeshua the promised
01:11:00 Messiah lets them in
01:11:05 right um so let me pause while we’re
01:11:07 getting the actual
01:11:11 verse okay we found the verse it’s
01:11:13 second Nephi
01:11:21 941 oh then my love of bro come unto the
01:11:25 Lord not the recorder the Holy One
01:11:29 remember that his paths righteous behold
01:11:32 the way for man is narrow but it lith in
01:11:35 a straight course before him I love
01:11:41 that you mean it’s not crooked he
01:11:44 doesn’t turn to the left and the right
01:11:46 narrow but it’s right there it’s right
01:11:48 in front of you it’s not a far off it’s
01:11:50 not
01:11:51 mysterious I I I do like how bring it’s
01:11:54 right there before you so and The Keeper
01:11:57 of the gate is the Holy One of Israel
01:11:59 and he employ no servant there no I I
01:12:02 I’m going to emphasize this part and he
01:12:04 employ no recorder there
01:12:10 absolutely and there is none other way
01:12:12 save it be by the
01:12:14 gate for he cannot be deceived no this
01:12:17 he is not recorder this is Yahweh Elohim
01:12:22 because we have already
01:12:24 covered that he employs no servant
01:12:27 recorder
01:12:29 or whatever else you want to call them
01:12:32 there right for the Lord God is his name
01:12:37 he cannot be deceived for the Lord God
01:12:39 is his name and this and what this is
01:12:41 what this section is attempting to do is
01:12:43 to deceive the Lord
01:12:45 God well I I I I don’t know about
01:12:48 deceive the Lord God but it’s definitely
01:12:50 trying to deceive the people right well
01:12:54 yeah but I mean yeah you’re trying
01:12:57 to well you’re bandying words here
01:13:00 you’re bandying words here you’re making
01:13:04 inferences uh it’s like consequently the
01:13:07 books spoken of must be the books which
01:13:09 contain the records the record of their
01:13:11 works that doesn’t that doesn’t follow
01:13:15 the doesn’t follow the what you’re
01:13:19 doesn’t follow what you’ve talked about
01:13:20 now the thing is is when Joseph Smith
01:13:22 made an inference like this it
01:13:26 followed the point he had just
01:13:27 previously made correct and then the the
01:13:31 reason why Yahweh Elohim can’t be
01:13:34 deceived
01:13:36 uh we lost it what was it 41 is because
01:13:41 he knows everything right and BEC oops
01:13:45 and because he knows everything he
01:13:46 cannot be deceived men do not know
01:13:51 everything and we get deceived all the
01:13:54 time um especially when we don’t try to
01:13:59 apply the established word of God
01:14:03 as um Direction espec
01:14:08 especially when we check the established
01:14:11 word of God against our so against our
01:14:13 so-called Revelations rather than
01:14:15 checking our so-called Revelations
01:14:17 against the established word of God
01:14:20 right which um acts 7
01:14:24 Paul an apostle not just some lowly man
01:14:30 well he call himself low but anyways but
01:14:32 Paul the Apostle he praised the bereans
01:14:37 because they believed Paul and checked
01:14:41 them according to the scriptures and the
01:14:44 scriptures in that day was the Old
01:14:47 Testament and act
01:14:49 17 was after the death and the
01:14:52 resurrection of our promised
01:14:55 Messiah so and that’s the thing is when
01:14:57 you check Somebody by the
01:15:00 scriptures
01:15:05 um you have to be prepared that their
01:15:08 understanding of the scriptures might be
01:15:09 better
01:15:12 than sure uh and I I none of us know all
01:15:16 the scriptures
01:15:18 perfectly um and so we are here to take
01:15:21 each other by the hand and help each
01:15:23 other get to
01:15:24 heaven but that’s by using established
01:15:29 word of God not soall personal
01:15:32 Revelations that are all contradicting
01:15:34 each other okay right my and but my
01:15:37 point and my point is is always checked
01:15:40 by the word of God and you could have
01:15:43 when you’re checking by the word of God
01:15:44 and it’s you’re not your own personal
01:15:47 that you your own personal experience
01:15:49 you’ve invested so much emotion in
01:15:51 you’re checking by the word of God
01:15:53 you can actually uh you can actually you
01:15:57 can actually put some you can actually
01:16:00 put some distance between yourself when
01:16:03 you’re being checked by the word of God
01:16:04 you can act with the word of God you can
01:16:06 actually put some distance between
01:16:08 yourself and the false idea that you’ve
01:16:10 been putting forward and realize oh well
01:16:12 that was a false idea I can get a away I
01:16:14 could drop that right all right so let
01:16:18 me go read my note that I the other not
01:16:20 the note I had initially for verse seven
01:16:24 as I brought out whatever things men
01:16:25 record is not everything because wicked
01:16:28 men do their Works in darkness thus
01:16:31 they’re not always known and M men will
01:16:33 be judged of their Works showing it’s
01:16:36 not from the books of men that we will
01:16:38 be judged from right yeah similar
01:16:41 similar kind of similar to what what
01:16:44 we’re talking
01:16:47 about all right so I think we’re done
01:16:50 with seven so I’ll read verse
01:16:52 eight
01:16:54 now the nature of this ordinance uh
01:16:56 baptisms of the Dead consists in the
01:17:00 power of the priesthood now baptism uh
01:17:04 we do need an authorized ironic
01:17:06 priesthood holder or higher
01:17:08 right and by revelation of Yeshua the
01:17:12 Messiah wherein it is granted that
01:17:16 whatsoever you bind on Earth shall be
01:17:18 bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose
01:17:20 on Earth shall be loosed in heaven so um
01:17:24 we’ll talk about that in a bit but
01:17:26 that’s not what the New Testament and
01:17:29 the Book of Mormon teaches buzzword
01:17:31 buzzword buzzword yeah those are
01:17:34 buzzword and even the Greek from the New
01:17:37 Testament shows something different than
01:17:38 what’s being pushed here and also the
01:17:41 example in the Book of Mormon that I
01:17:43 have in the in the ceiling power post I
01:17:46 have but uh basically both of those uh
01:17:52 from the New Testament and the book of
01:17:53 shows that the sealing power is to
01:17:57 decree here on Earth what heaven or
01:18:02 Yahweh Elohim has already decreed to
01:18:06 happen it’s not to in our presumption
01:18:10 tell Heaven what they will accept
01:18:12 correct because as we already just gone
01:18:15 over a couple times we don’t know
01:18:18 people’s hearts and we don’t know all
01:18:20 their actions right
01:18:23 mhm uh and nor are Judges to try to go
01:18:27 figure that out because judges are to
01:18:29 take Witnesses so anyways or in other
01:18:33 words taking a different view of the
01:18:38 translation whatsoever you record on
01:18:40 Earth shall be recorded in
01:18:43 heaven and that whatsoever you do on
01:18:45 Earth you do not record do not record
01:18:48 Earth shall not be recorded in heaven
01:18:49 for thou out of the book shall be your
01:18:52 dead be judged according to their own
01:18:55 Works whether they themselves have
01:18:57 attached to the ordinances in
01:19:00 their paparia Persona by the means of
01:19:04 their agents according to the ordinance
01:19:07 with God has prepared for th salvation
01:19:11 from before the foundation of the world
01:19:14 according to the records which they have
01:19:16 kept concerning their dead Okay read an
01:19:19 awful lot like vers like some verses in
01:19:22 section 133
01:19:23 tell yeah it does but so this is
01:19:26 somewhat claiming uh a jst so I didn’t
01:19:30 make note of this but I’m going to pause
01:19:33 and we’re gonna go find the jst for that
01:19:36 and um it’s not going to be there so
01:19:39 let’s go get that real
01:19:43 quick okay can I see the verse I’m
01:19:46 having a hard time uh it’s uh oh uh this
01:19:52 one
01:19:53 yeah it was eight okay yeah so we
01:19:58 there’s something in here that’s really
01:20:01 um suspect shall we say something I
01:20:06 think the whole section is suspect but
01:20:08 anyways I’m talking about in this
01:20:10 particular verse there’s
01:20:11 something suspect whether they
01:20:15 them for out of the books shall your
01:20:19 dead shall your
01:20:21 dead be judged according to their own
01:20:25 Works whether they themselves have
01:20:27 attended to the ordinances in their own
01:20:30 propriate Persona or by means of their
01:20:32 own agents according to the ordinance
01:20:35 which God has prepared for their
01:20:36 salvation from before the foundation in
01:20:39 their own appropriate
01:20:44 Persona how do you know that their own
01:20:46 propriate Persona is is in
01:20:49 attendance
01:20:51 necromancy oh which is against Torah
01:20:54 right which is against Torah it’s
01:20:56 against God’s law for all the
01:21:00 time uh not mention uh Elma 40 brings
01:21:04 out that when people die they rest from
01:21:07 their worries until the resurrection
01:21:11 right they’re just well and that’s and
01:21:13 that actually brings us up to chapter 40
01:21:16 do do
01:21:18 we um so I’ll pause so that way we get
01:21:22 the verse you want to talk
01:21:25 about Alma chapter 40 starting in verse
01:21:28 11 this this is confirmation that we’re
01:21:31 not making this up about the state of
01:21:33 the Soul between death and the
01:21:38 resurrection now concerning the state of
01:21:40 the Soul between death and the
01:21:42 resurrection there we go behold it has
01:21:45 been made known unto me by an Angel that
01:21:47 the spirits of this is Elma
01:21:49 the speaking Yeah you’re speaking to uh
01:21:54 cor uh Coran right uh his uh Wicked son
01:22:00 but this is he’s he’s a prophet right
01:22:03 now right he is and he’s the head of the
01:22:05 church also those are not necessarily
01:22:08 the same but in this case it is right
01:22:11 right so behold it has been made known
01:22:15 unto me Elma by an Angel that the
01:22:17 spirits of all men as soon as they are
01:22:19 departed from this Mortal body ye the
01:22:21 spirits of all men whether they good or
01:22:23 evil are taken home to that God who gave
01:22:25 them life does that sound like they’re
01:22:27 allowed to wander around on the on the
01:22:29 earth uh not to
01:22:31 me um but we could read it again just to
01:22:34 make sure yeah and then again and then
01:22:38 after they’re brought home to that God
01:22:39 gave them life it shall it come to pass
01:22:42 that the spirits of those who are
01:22:43 righteous are received into a state of
01:22:45 Happiness which is called Paradise a
01:22:47 state of rest the state of Peace where
01:22:49 they shall rest from all their troubles
01:22:50 and from All Care and sorrow oh wait so
01:22:53 they’re they’re
01:22:55 they’re they’re maybe not trying to take
01:22:57 care of their family because they’re not
01:22:59 oh wait they’re not worrying about their
01:23:03 troubles from their previous state or
01:23:06 their cares or their sorrows nor does
01:23:10 this nor does this and given the fact
01:23:12 that they’re resting from All Care all
01:23:15 sorrow this indicates they’re also not
01:23:18 really that worried about the spirits in
01:23:21 prison uh correct or even their family
01:23:25 left here on Earth right that’s right
01:23:28 either way and it shall come to pass the
01:23:31 spirits of the wicked yeay who are evil
01:23:35 for behold they have no part nor portion
01:23:37 of the spirit of the Lord I would say
01:23:40 porah they have no part or portion of
01:23:43 porah for behold they chose evil Works
01:23:45 rather than good therefore the spirit of
01:23:47 the devil did enter into them and did
01:23:49 take possession of their house and these
01:23:51 shall be cast into outer dark Darkness
01:23:53 so uh Satan’s ways is on their heart
01:23:57 versus US writing yahweh’s ways which is
01:24:00 Torah Upon Our Hearts right and facts of
01:24:03 the matter are the writing upon your
01:24:06 heart that’s always been your choice
01:24:08 he’s not going to force his law upon
01:24:11 your heart no this is where comes into
01:24:15 play you have to choose to write it upon
01:24:18 your heart yeah which is sanctification
01:24:21 is it something that you do yourself
01:24:23 right with his yes and you have to
01:24:28 choose to love him
01:24:30 sufficiently that everything that is him
01:24:34 you
01:24:35 desire and everything that is not him
01:24:38 you don’t
01:24:40 want 7 talks about that to give
01:24:43 that some more Credence but anyways
01:24:44 let’s
01:24:45 continue there shall be weeping and
01:24:47 wailing and nashing of teeth and this
01:24:50 because of their own iniquity being led
01:24:51 captive let by the will of the devil now
01:24:54 this is the state of the souls of the
01:24:55 wicked Y in darkness a state of awful
01:24:59 fearful looking for the fiery
01:25:01 indignation of the wrath of God upon
01:25:05 them as they thus they remain in this
01:25:08 state as well as the righteous in their
01:25:09 Paradise with no care the wait a minute
01:25:13 this is a state where they stay mean
01:25:16 they don’t go do some other things thus
01:25:19 they
01:25:21 remain oh interesting th
01:25:26 they remain so they don’t come visit us
01:25:29 then
01:25:30 huh in fact just I will bring out here I
01:25:35 in fact to ask that in fact to ask that
01:25:37 a beloved um I know this is going to
01:25:40 sound really
01:25:43 insensitive but ask let a loved one be
01:25:47 allowed to visit you so that you can
01:25:51 move see so you can say goodbye and what
01:25:53 have
01:25:54 you that is asking a Miss because you
01:25:57 have asked against that which is in the
01:26:00 word of because the word right here just
01:26:03 tells us it’s not possible
01:26:06 right you have asked a Miss dead spirits
01:26:10 will not go visit people in fact I do
01:26:13 want to say this uh in the restoration
01:26:17 we know that Moses didn’t
01:26:20 die and this explains why Moses didn’t
01:26:24 die because to Moses to visit Yeshua at
01:26:28 the Mount of transfiguration he could
01:26:30 not have died right to go according
01:26:33 what’s right here being
01:26:35 taught so I I thought that that might be
01:26:38 uh helpful um where we are yes regards
01:26:44 to this discussion on Dr Covenant
01:26:46 section
01:26:47 128 uh it’s pure devilry honestly yeah
01:26:52 it is and here it’s they they re if
01:26:55 nothing else there they remain either
01:27:00 Paradise or here they actually called it
01:27:03 outer Darkness right not
01:27:08 hell so um so they can’t go tell
01:27:13 you um do my temple work right which is
01:27:17 something that a lot of people claim
01:27:20 right uh tell the reason
01:27:24 why Spirits visit you in the form of
01:27:27 your deceased
01:27:29 ancestors is because they want you to go
01:27:31 to the temple because there they can
01:27:32 possess
01:27:34 you yes um the LDS bite Temple is not
01:27:40 from Yahweh Elohim nor Joseph Smith is a
01:27:44 concoction from Bigham young mixture of
01:27:48 masonic Jesuit and his own
01:27:56 devices it is not from Yahweh Elohim and
01:28:00 it
01:28:01 contradicts Sermon on the Mount multiple
01:28:03 places even Genesis 1 multiple places
01:28:06 and it goes against how in the book of
01:28:09 Moses it states how the wicked slit
01:28:13 their throats to make an
01:28:18 oath that’s a warning to those who think
01:28:22 it’s good it’s
01:28:25 not it’s the wicked that will swear by
01:28:30 their own lives where sermon on the
01:28:33 sermon on Torah or also known as Sermon
01:28:35 on the Mount says just be
01:28:39 honest so but there’s lots of other
01:28:42 problems but this is not what we’re
01:28:44 dealing with right now so we’ll stop at
01:28:46 that so uh I think this was all on verse
01:28:50 eight right yeah it’s so few other notes
01:28:53 Here Yeah Yeah so let’s go look at the
01:28:54 notes I have on verse eight so uh
01:28:59 brings out what they took why they took
01:29:02 the names of those who joined the church
01:29:04 into record ah okay it was to make sure
01:29:07 they were nourished by the good word of
01:29:10 Yahweh not to make sure they were saved
01:29:14 so and that is in Moroni 6
01:29:19 right yeah this is this is in ref yeah
01:29:23 this is in reference to
01:29:25 the idiocy in verse eight where it says
01:29:28 that that which that it’s that what we
01:29:30 record on Earth uh saves us right uh but
01:29:36 by the way is it which by the way is
01:29:38 actually a very uh it’s actually a very
01:29:41 luciferian principle the idea that well
01:29:45 you write it
01:29:48 down uh so here they received un options
01:29:51 they took upon on them the name of
01:29:52 Christ having determined to service to
01:29:54 the and and after they received on
01:29:56 baptism they wrought by and cleansed by
01:29:57 the power of the Holy Spirit and they
01:29:59 were numbered among the people of the
01:30:01 Church of the Messiah and their names
01:30:04 were taken okay and this is why that
01:30:07 they might be remembered and nourished
01:30:10 by the good word of Elohim to keep them
01:30:13 in the right way not to make it so
01:30:15 they’re saved but to keep them in the
01:30:18 right way to keep them continually
01:30:21 watchful under
01:30:22 prayer relying alone alone upon the
01:30:26 merits of the Messiah who was the author
01:30:29 and finisher of their faith
01:30:32 so this the author and finisher of their
01:30:37 faith the
01:30:38 Messiah is the end for which the law was
01:30:42 given that we may enter into his
01:30:45 rest it’s not because it was written
01:30:48 down on a piece of paper yep and
01:30:51 especially according here uh The Book of
01:30:54 Mormon even tells us why we take members
01:30:57 of the church’s
01:30:58 names is to help them stay on the path
01:31:02 not to guarantee them salvation right
01:31:06 right so here the Book of Mormon is the
01:31:09 word of Yahweh Elohim I don’t doubt that
01:31:12 at all and here is DNC
01:31:16 128 and one example and there’s others
01:31:20 it just contradicts The Book of Mormon
01:31:22 and the rest of this already established
01:31:25 word of Yahweh Elohim
01:31:27 right all right yeah have a quick
01:31:31 thought sir go ahead
01:31:33 Zach this is kind of reminding me of
01:31:36 what the Catholic Church used to do what
01:31:39 was it called
01:31:42 um the paper that they sold to oh the
01:31:48 indulgences getting to yeah yeah
01:31:52 sounding somewhat like
01:31:54 that
01:31:57 uh
01:31:58 somewhat it’s basically a get out of
01:32:01 jail free card for every sin in your
01:32:02 life yeah yeah uh I I I can see that
01:32:05 because it’s a piece of paper there’s a
01:32:07 record and it gets you out right
01:32:11 yeah uh where the Catholic Church you
01:32:14 directly pay for it in the LDS briam
01:32:17 might Church you indirectly pay for it
01:32:20 because you have to pay tithing to get
01:32:22 in right yeah so there’s it’s it’s
01:32:28 indirect there but all right so let’s
01:32:31 look at my next note for verse
01:32:34 eight uh priesthood is about serving
01:32:37 others to bring them to Yeshua and his
01:32:40 ways not promising people they are going
01:32:44 to Heaven by write writing their name
01:32:47 down right okay so here’s another thing
01:32:51 this brings me to the point that I was
01:32:53 trying to that I would wanted to make uh
01:32:56 the nature of this ordinance okay so now
01:32:58 he’s going to explain the nature of the
01:33:00 ordinance but what does he do he gives
01:33:03 buzzword that cause people that that
01:33:07 have heavy emotional connotation cause
01:33:10 people to turn their minds off um and
01:33:13 just say yes bow your
01:33:17 yes I agree with that because there’s
01:33:20 really no explanation
01:33:22 of what’s going on here it’s just this
01:33:24 is what you do that’s
01:33:26 not now the nature of this ordinance
01:33:28 consists in the power of the
01:33:31 priesthood in the LDS in the LDS
01:33:34 tradition we’re raised to rever the
01:33:37 power of the priesthood by the
01:33:39 revelation of Jesus Christ okay so now
01:33:42 he’s just pulling words out of scripture
01:33:44 right and left splicing them into a
01:33:46 sentence the uh uh you know if you can
01:33:50 say power the priesthood revelation of
01:33:52 Jesus Christ you’ve bypassed the
01:33:56 critical reasoning of most members of
01:34:00 church which is sad to say but uh it’s
01:34:04 not only in the El briam brigite church
01:34:07 and it’s pretty much in most mainstream
01:34:09 churches also y just this is one that we
01:34:11 know intimately because we grew up there
01:34:14 and then this last one is a really big
01:34:17 thing in the LDS church wherein it is
01:34:19 granted that whatsoever you bind on
01:34:20 Earth shall be found in heaven see all
01:34:23 of this stuff this whole first section
01:34:27 there is just a
01:34:29 byass it is a mental
01:34:34 bypass you are being manipulated as you
01:34:36 read
01:34:38 this yes so um let’s go look at my next
01:34:43 note um which I think we’re on this one
01:34:47 it looks like on this verse I have a lot
01:34:48 of notes there is a quote from Joseph
01:34:51 that the power of the priesthood has
01:34:53 ability to
01:34:54 have uh the ability to have power over
01:34:57 the elements of nature to obey them that
01:35:01 is taught in
01:35:03 Jacob uh also um I forget I can find it
01:35:07 if we need to and also to show in the
01:35:10 scriptures such as in The
01:35:13 Exodus right right it’s also shown in
01:35:16 it’s also shown in Genesis in the early
01:35:19 part of Genesis vck uh turning streams
01:35:22 out and turning Rivers out of their
01:35:23 courses Moving Mountains etc etc now one
01:35:26 thing that’s interesting here that um
01:35:30 goes along with this uh those what I’m
01:35:33 talking about in that note is something
01:35:35 that you can physically see happening
01:35:38 right you can witness that where this
01:35:42 what the ldus church is claiming the
01:35:45 bites is something you just have to
01:35:48 believe rubber stamp that somehow me
01:35:51 reached all the way to
01:35:52 heaven right which um like was Zach’s
01:35:57 comment with it’s the same thing that
01:35:58 the Catholics do it’s an emotional play
01:36:02 PL to your heartstrings or heart cell
01:36:05 that the eldas church
01:36:07 pushes um to get you to believe and want
01:36:12 something there’s no actual substance
01:36:15 there right yeah that’s just believe me
01:36:19 because I said it right I mean there is
01:36:22 there are things of substance in this
01:36:24 verse and they’re all
01:36:25 wickedness
01:36:27 yeah okay so let’s look at the next
01:36:31 thought this is a twisting the verse
01:36:33 from the New Testament and the Greek in
01:36:36 the New Testament and the Book of M Book
01:36:38 of Mormon showing its men binding on
01:36:41 Earth what Yahweh had already decreed
01:36:43 should happen so this is talked about my
01:36:45 cealing power post and in Acts 5 this is
01:36:48 example of Peter enacting a punishment
01:36:52 upon Liars from Torah so this is um
01:36:58 ananas right if I remember right and his
01:37:00 wife where they sold their
01:37:03 property they claimed they gave
01:37:06 everything to the
01:37:09 group uh but they hid some so the
01:37:12 problem as Peter brings out is not the
01:37:15 fact that they kept some for themselves
01:37:17 the the problem was that they lied about
01:37:20 it thus enacting a punishment because
01:37:24 Torah and the Book of Mormon speaks out
01:37:27 against lying and there verses that get
01:37:30 applied to that go ahead Ben Torah
01:37:32 States quite PL quite openly that the
01:37:34 liar shall die yes which is what exactly
01:37:39 happened with Peter and and ananas and
01:37:43 his wife
01:37:44 Peter enacted the cealing power which is
01:37:48 simply enacting what heaven had already
01:37:51 decreed which can be found in Torah
01:37:54 Liars deserve death he did
01:37:57 that by his voice not have something
01:38:00 else doing it because judges Earthly
01:38:04 judges can’t enact that judgment but
01:38:07 then they have to have someone to enact
01:38:09 it right but Peter did it with his voice
01:38:15 only which gets into faith and sealing
01:38:18 power but anyways um it was something
01:38:22 that was seen immediately not something
01:38:25 you have to believe that will happen
01:38:27 later on
01:38:30 right so another note I have no man’s
01:38:34 writing is to bind can bind you to
01:38:37 heaven oh I didn’t review my
01:38:40 notes can bind you to in heaven for
01:38:44 there is only one Keeper of the gate in
01:38:47 heaven and that is Yeshua the promised
01:38:49 Messiah see second
01:38:52 Nephi 9 I think we saw it was 41 right
01:38:57 41 yeah and this seems to suggest that
01:39:00 man can
01:39:01 write
01:39:03 51 oh uh thank
01:39:05 you um so this seems to to suggest men
01:39:10 can write your name down and guarantee
01:39:12 you’re going to heaven which contradicts
01:39:16 the scripture not to mention it’s Angels
01:39:19 not men that do the Harvest
01:39:21 in yeshua’s Parable from the New
01:39:24 Testament
01:39:26 right so my next note there is nothing
01:39:29 recorded from Joseph
01:39:31 Smith including the
01:39:34 jst other than this supposed letter
01:39:37 suggesting this better translation of
01:39:39 Matthew 16 so let’s so I have it in the
01:39:42 notes and we I was going there and then
01:39:44 we got sidetracked let’s go look at this
01:39:47 so this verse in the New Testament is
01:39:50 Matthew
01:39:51 16 and it’s
01:39:55 versus where’ it
01:39:59 go
01:40:07 versus you can tell we do this on the
01:40:10 Fly because I’m not the most per uh
01:40:13 versus 18 and 19 so that would be these
01:40:17 two oh look there’s no GST but let’s
01:40:20 just read it uh and I say unto thee Thou
01:40:26 Art Peter and upon
01:40:29 this uh Revelation that he uh found out
01:40:33 that Yeshua is the promised Messiah I
01:40:36 will build my church so um this is not
01:40:42 even today’s world do people use our
01:40:44 funny pronouns to make a person’s
01:40:47 pronoun this right right
01:40:51 um I’m just bringing this out because
01:40:53 the Catholic Church tries to use this
01:40:57 and make it a point to a he and that
01:40:59 just doesn’t work out but anyways and
01:41:02 the Gate of Hell shall not Prevail
01:41:04 against it against that Yeshua is the
01:41:07 promised Messiah and that he will reveal
01:41:10 that to people and I give unto thee the
01:41:13 Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven and
01:41:15 whatsoever Thou shalt bind on Earth
01:41:17 shall be bound in heaven and what sh
01:41:19 thou loose on Earth shall be loose in
01:41:21 heaven
01:41:22 so um let’s just read a little
01:41:25 commentary on this
01:41:27 from uh one 119 Ministries that uh
01:41:31 comments on the Greek on this and this
01:41:34 is can be found in my ceiling power post
01:41:36 that will be in the
01:41:39 links uh Ben you want to read this
01:41:42 statement right here yes the grammatical
01:41:46 Construction in the Greek manuscripts is
01:41:48 very important to the understanding of
01:41:50 the meaning of this dis instruction
01:41:52 shall be having been bound and shall be
01:41:54 having been loosed this is a very
01:41:58 awkward English but it accurately
01:42:00 renders the
01:42:01 paraphrastic future perfect tense it
01:42:05 essentially means when this judgment is
01:42:08 bound it shall already have been bound
01:42:09 in heaven and when the judgment is to is
01:42:12 to loose release it shall already have
01:42:15 been released in heaven what Messiah was
01:42:18 actually saying the judgement which you
01:42:21 render shall have already been rendered
01:42:24 why because the law of messiah’s Reign
01:42:26 is the law of Moses which we would call
01:42:28 Torah I think statement there but
01:42:31 anyways yeah any loosing or binding must
01:42:35 be done in accordance with what has
01:42:36 already been decided by God and written
01:42:39 in the law thus when the elders decide
01:42:42 to bind in accordance to the dictates of
01:42:44 the judgments of Torah then Heaven has
01:42:46 indeed already decided the case and has
01:42:50 been W right so this post also goes off
01:42:55 the example in Helman
01:42:57 lds1 and rld
01:43:00 DS3 where um for thou Nephi shall not
01:43:04 ask which is contrary to my will uh and
01:43:08 behold the voice came unto him saying
01:43:10 behold Thou Art Nephi I am Elohim behold
01:43:12 I declare unto thee in the presence of
01:43:14 my angels that have power over this
01:43:18 people uh okay so I guess up here uh it
01:43:23 goes on how
01:43:25 Nephi uh cursed the people because God
01:43:29 told him to do it right of no
01:43:33 reain it was already decreed in heaven
01:43:35 before Nephi actually did it right which
01:43:39 ising
01:43:41 power it’s actually decreed in Torah
01:43:44 exactly um
01:43:47 so that when people when the people
01:43:50 shall turn turn from Torah turn from the
01:43:52 ways of their
01:43:54 God and go after worshiping other gods
01:43:57 etc etc then the then the heavens will
01:44:01 no more yield their ring right and I do
01:44:04 think that’s in Deuteronomy 2829 and
01:44:07 it’s in Malachi also right y all right
01:44:13 so I do think that’s enough on that
01:44:17 one
01:44:18 um it’s uh
01:44:21 we’ve already done the there is nothing
01:44:22 recorded yeah yeah so I think we did
01:44:24 this one because we actually here we
01:44:25 looked in the
01:44:27 jst um which if if
01:44:31 you believe this verse in eight he’s
01:44:34 saying a better translation right
01:44:37 meaning jst where is that it’s not here
01:44:41 it’s not in the jst and then this is
01:44:44 more jst fact this is the whole jst
01:44:47 where the elus church has maybe 10% of
01:44:50 of it this is all of it and there isn’t
01:44:52 anything there in those two
01:44:55 verses um okay so I think we’re here
01:44:59 this seems to let’s go back
01:45:02 here where’ it go this seems to be
01:45:05 suggesting that baptism is necessary for
01:45:08 salvation and it’s
01:45:11 not okay so this goes over of various
01:45:15 controversy in christom but here’s an
01:45:19 example here and I have another one on
01:45:22 I’m going to uh add because I’ve learned
01:45:25 more but I’ll do it in a minute uh but
01:45:28 let me just finish reading this seems to
01:45:29 be suggesting that baptism is necessary
01:45:31 for salvation or going into the kingdom
01:45:34 and it’s not look at the limites as an
01:45:37 example of why it’s not also women
01:45:41 needing someone else to baptize her such
01:45:45 as aish which is from The Book of Mormon
01:45:47 right as an example amongst the wicked
01:45:50 lamanites in her own vision and not
01:45:53 telling
01:45:55 anyone also it seems to suggest that no
01:45:58 need for enduring to the end AA keeping
01:46:01 the Commandments till you die which
01:46:05 these dead did not do and denies how the
01:46:08 Book of Mormon teaches that you can only
01:46:11 repent while in
01:46:13 mortality and that you will have the
01:46:17 same spirit in the resurrection as when
01:46:19 you die and then will also add
01:46:23 here um DN
01:46:27 c76
01:46:28 states that the
01:46:32 only that only those who
01:46:38 receive
01:46:39 oops
01:46:41 receive
01:46:43 celestal
01:46:46 Glory are baptized
01:46:49 or need to be
01:46:52 baptized by water right yeah well
01:46:56 because you’re not going to get in there
01:46:58 if
01:46:59 you the baptism of water is the symbol
01:47:03 that you have entered into
01:47:06 Covenant and it’s it’s also symbolic of
01:47:09 your death and
01:47:12 rebirth into the family of
01:47:16 Yeshua okay so 51 talks about baptized
01:47:21 after the manner of his burial and this
01:47:22 is a section talking about this those
01:47:24 who receive the celestial Glory so let’s
01:47:28 just go double check
01:47:32 here baptized so that’s 51
01:47:36 again uh that’s 51 in the
01:47:40 kism and that’s 52 which is baptism of
01:47:45 the Holy Spirit which happens after
01:47:47 baptism of water oh look there no more
01:47:50 bapt AP
01:47:53 isms according to DNC 76 was a vision
01:47:58 from Joseph Smith and I I forget the
01:48:01 other guy sorry Sydney RN syney rnan
01:48:06 it’s only those who
01:48:08 receive Celestial Glory need to be
01:48:11 baptized by water and we can see that in
01:48:14 the Book of Mormon also as I pointed out
01:48:16 right yeah adoption into adoption into
01:48:19 the family of yes
01:48:21 is a prerequisite
01:48:24 for yeah all right for Celestial Glory I
01:48:27 should say yes old habits die hard no
01:48:32 yeah yeah I I catch myself still right
01:48:36 so okay is using so verse eight is using
01:48:41 an ordinance as a ceremony so perhaps
01:48:43 it’s being used the same way as the
01:48:46 early earlier verse which was in
01:48:48 incorrect so we already talked over that
01:48:50 don’t need we don’t need to talk about
01:48:51 it again yeah and we’ve already talked
01:48:54 about my note which is about necromancy
01:48:56 so yeah correct yeah which I completely
01:48:59 agree with so
01:49:03 um uh I forget whose turn it is uh Ben
01:49:06 you want to read
01:49:07 nine and here he is again with this
01:49:10 second guess even before he’s even put
01:49:12 it even as he’s putting it out there
01:49:14 second guessing second guessing all it
01:49:16 seems
01:49:18 right it may seem to some to be a very
01:49:21 bold doctrine that we talk of well that
01:49:24 sounds that sounds a lot like the
01:49:26 language of certain deceivers that I’ve
01:49:28 been in contact with recently used such
01:49:31 as Phil Davis may seem to be a very bold
01:49:34 doctrine that we talk of well it’s it
01:49:38 it’s trying to push it suggestively
01:49:40 instead of being bold as Yeshua told us
01:49:44 to be right right a power which records
01:49:47 or binds on Earth and binds in heaven
01:49:50 and all it takes is a pen and a rubber
01:49:54 stamp
01:49:56 nevertheless in all ages of the world
01:49:59 whenever the Lord has given a
01:50:00 dispensation of a priesthood to Any Man
01:50:02 by actual Revelation by actual
01:50:06 Revelation or any set of men this power
01:50:09 has always been given hence whatsoever
01:50:12 those men did in Authority in the name
01:50:14 of the Lord and did it truly and
01:50:16 faithfully and kept a proper and
01:50:17 faithful record of the same it became a
01:50:20 law on Earth and in heaven and could not
01:50:22 be an olded according to the decrees of
01:50:25 the great yehovah this is a faithful
01:50:27 saying who can hear it well I can’t
01:50:31 because it’s what you’re saying is not a
01:50:33 faithful
01:50:34 say right and I I do think uh we’ve
01:50:37 already covered this quite a bit already
01:50:39 in previous
01:50:40 verses um so I don’t know if you want to
01:50:43 add anything before we go read my note
01:50:45 real quick no just go ahead and go ahead
01:50:48 and yeah because I for the most part we
01:50:50 pretty much already covered all this but
01:50:51 let’s read my note real quick if it was
01:50:53 all always been that way why is it it
01:50:57 can only be brought out from one twisted
01:51:00 verse which The Book of Mormon shows
01:51:03 differently in case anyone is interested
01:51:07 the example of Elma The Elder and the
01:51:10 judging the people
01:51:12 and excommunicating them is in
01:51:15 accordance to a judge of the church is
01:51:18 to do and the past and modern Revelation
01:51:22 confirms we are to remove repeating
01:51:27 sinners from the church or if we don’t
01:51:31 the church will be will not be Yahweh
01:51:35 elohim’s anymore right uh and will now
01:51:40 not re and will now receive curses
01:51:43 because they’re not keeping his
01:51:45 Commandments yes this is what this is
01:51:48 what happened to the restoration
01:51:50 exactly they they got curses
01:51:53 because uh the leaders weren’t taking
01:51:57 care of things as as DNC 20 brings out
01:52:01 right because even the deacons are
01:52:03 supposed to keep the church underwatch
01:52:06 which actually goes along with what the
01:52:09 tribe of Levi who um historically the
01:52:13 ones that had the ironic priesthood were
01:52:14 supposed to be doing
01:52:16 right so I I mean when you know enough
01:52:19 you can see how all this fits together
01:52:21 but anyways yet again I ask for
01:52:25 confirming scripture that states that
01:52:27 when a servant Yahweh says you are going
01:52:29 to heaven and writes it down that you
01:52:31 are now seal to Heaven you cannot find
01:52:34 one only Yeshua stands at the gate none
01:52:37 of his servants AKA recorders are there
01:52:40 only him see second
01:52:43 Nephi
01:52:47 941 right oh seek that gate seek that
01:52:51 gate where only he stands yes so to
01:52:58 me just nine all by itself is completely
01:53:01 bogus but anyways let’s go on to verse
01:53:03 10 well it’s also a bunch of words salad
01:53:06 by the way but uh yes they’re just
01:53:09 throwing a lot of nice sounding nice
01:53:12 sounding things together right
01:53:17 y uh and again for
01:53:20 the precedent Matthew 1618 and 19 uh
01:53:26 which oops wrong
01:53:29 button we looked at here right no
01:53:34 jst no suit for you no jst
01:53:39 here and I say unto thee th art Peter
01:53:44 and Upon This Rock which was Revelation
01:53:48 and there’s quotes from Joseph Smith
01:53:50 applying Revelation to that I will bind
01:53:53 my church and the Gates of Hell shall
01:53:55 not Prevail against it Revelation and I
01:53:59 will give unto thee the Keys of the
01:54:03 Kingdom of Heaven and whatsoever Thou
01:54:04 shalt bind in Earth shall be bound in
01:54:06 heaven what shall th loose on Earth
01:54:08 shall be loosed in heaven so um we went
01:54:12 over that a little bit already um and
01:54:15 looked at Greek commentary and what the
01:54:18 Greek is actually stating there because
01:54:21 uh I do believe in the Bible as far it
01:54:23 was translated correctly and it just I
01:54:25 believe like Joseph Smith I believe in
01:54:28 the Bible as it came off of the pens of
01:54:30 the original writers yeah so let’s go
01:54:34 find that one since you bring it up and
01:54:36 I was just about to say it myself so
01:54:40 um there we go um you want to read the
01:54:45 actual quote
01:54:47 yep I I believe the Bible is to be as it
01:54:50 came from the pen of the original
01:54:51 translate original writers
01:54:54 writers uh so here he adds ignorant
01:54:57 translators careless transcribers or
01:55:00 designing and corrupt priests have
01:55:03 committed many
01:55:05 errors I do believe that and I do
01:55:08 believe
01:55:09 um the Dead Sea Scrolls shows that
01:55:13 because
01:55:14 although the mestic texts are pretty
01:55:17 close to what we have right now but if
01:55:19 you look at the
01:55:33 septuagenarian ones are older than the
01:55:36 mestic well and the but the but the
01:55:39 thing is at that point is which
01:55:42 ones which ones are and and the the
01:55:45 question for me always is which ones um
01:55:51 which ones can you
01:55:54 make God’s law whole throughout time
01:55:58 with better uh I I do think we should
01:56:02 take both into
01:56:04 account um my main thing here is that
01:56:07 there are some significant differences
01:56:10 between the two showing there’s some
01:56:12 problems right yeah um but I there’s a
01:56:16 lot of times I do like the septu agent
01:56:18 over this mtic but anyways that’s yeah
01:56:21 just like just like I prefer the uh just
01:56:25 like I prefer just about any translation
01:56:27 of King James
01:56:29 version
01:56:30 uh uh yeah I mean I’m okay with it but
01:56:35 we do have to be careful with it right
01:56:38 so yeah maybe it’s because I grew up
01:56:40 with it um but
01:56:44 anyways uh let’s see first of all people
01:56:47 are not referred to as this so this is
01:56:49 going after um Catholic Church stuff
01:56:53 here right this is Catholic do this is
01:56:57 Catholic dogma being introduced to into
01:57:00 uh yeshua’s Church yeah well I do have
01:57:05 it quotes how bam young was taking
01:57:08 counsel from Jesuit Catholic priests so
01:57:12 it’s good to point that out and if he
01:57:14 was talking about Peter it would say you
01:57:17 and not this and the word this is to
01:57:20 refer to ideas and Concepts not people
01:57:23 not to mention the quote from Joseph
01:57:25 Smith states that the word this is In
01:57:28 this passage is about Revelation and I
01:57:31 would add that Revelation Yeshua is the
01:57:35 promised Messiah is the rock of our
01:57:38 Salvation right fact that goes along
01:57:41 with even the Book of Revelations that
01:57:43 says what a prophet is is to to know
01:57:46 that he is the promised Messiah so I
01:57:48 believe this new testament passage is
01:57:51 including alluding to both of these
01:57:54 ideas which is just that Peter said
01:57:57 happened right okay so verse 11 Zach
01:58:02 will you read
01:58:07 that the great and Grand secret of the
01:58:11 whole
01:58:12 matter
01:58:17 [Music]
01:58:18 and
01:58:20 M of the whole subject that is Ling
01:58:23 before
01:58:25 us consists in obtaining the powers of
01:58:27 the Holy priesthood for him for him to
01:58:31 whom these keys are given there is no
01:58:35 difficulty in obtaining a knowledge of
01:58:39 facts in relation to Salvation of the
01:58:41 children of men both as well for the
01:58:44 dead as for the living okay so here’s
01:58:47 something that I have with this
01:58:50 outside of course of the summer
01:58:53 BM
01:58:54 um is the uh it consists in obtaining
01:58:59 the powers of the Holy
01:59:00 priesthood that’s great are you gonna
01:59:03 tell us how to do
01:59:08 that no I I mean growing up in the LGs
01:59:11 Church bite Church whenever at church we
01:59:15 talked about priesthood and the Keys No
01:59:18 One knows what it is it’s always just a
01:59:22 whole bunch of
01:59:24 confusion to which I to which I now to
01:59:27 which I Now respond yeah I got keys
01:59:30 they’re in my pocket use them to drive
01:59:33 my car well I I so I do believe and I
01:59:37 have some quotes on Joseph Smith how
01:59:39 keys are things that help us understand
01:59:42 well keys are keys of knowledge keys of
01:59:45 understanding um and
01:59:47 knowledge is not obtain ained by book
01:59:51 learning knowledge is obtained by
01:59:55 doing uh I I would say it’s a
01:59:57 combination of both personally but uh
02:00:01 without the doing we will
02:00:03 not understand the words of Yahweh
02:00:07 that’s been written down to under be
02:00:09 able to understand them right so the
02:00:13 point
02:00:14 is if the whole thing here is about
02:00:18 obtaining the power of the Holy
02:00:20 priesthood you then in the same letter
02:00:23 need to say how they’re to do that you
02:00:27 need to give them instruction on how to
02:00:28 do that now the sum bonum of the whole
02:00:32 subject that is lying before
02:00:34 us this is all this sounds very
02:00:38 uh this sounds again a bunch of word
02:00:40 salad here yeah bu words just to make it
02:00:45 sound like it’s important and yeah and
02:00:48 uh we are we are now using we are now
02:00:51 using Latin words that we are not sure
02:00:53 what the actual meaning of them are I
02:00:55 actually have actually have this song
02:00:58 Latin Latin English dictionary I’m
02:01:01 looking up the words oh
02:01:04 cool you want to read it to us Zach I
02:01:09 found
02:01:13 Suma
02:01:16 U is the main thing Chief point just
02:01:20 summary sum amount contents
02:01:26 substance the whole issue the whole case
02:01:29 totality if
02:01:31 matter so he’s actually been
02:01:35 extremely the sum bonum of the whole
02:01:37 subject that is lying before us he is
02:01:40 being
02:01:42 extremely
02:01:43 redundant
02:01:46 yeah redundant and not really getting to
02:01:48 the point right or and this and this was
02:01:53 characteristic of the writings of briam
02:01:58 Y
02:01:59 yep full of redundancies never getting
02:02:03 to the
02:02:07 point
02:02:10 yep all right so um oh go ahead Zack I
02:02:15 can’t find bunam though it’s not in here
02:02:18 well we can uh we can look it up real
02:02:24 quick
02:02:31 B the Supreme good from which all others
02:02:34 are
02:02:35 derived so it’s almost like saying
02:02:38 baptism for the dead is where all good
02:02:41 comes from where um the scriptures teach
02:02:45 all good come from Yahweh Elohim not
02:02:49 of the dead right right um which is
02:02:53 another good point to bring out how this
02:02:55 is just uh all made up here
02:02:59 right yeah that and the Very uh the very
02:03:03 redundant nature of
02:03:06 it yeah all right so let’s look at what
02:03:09 notes I have oh look I have the phrase
02:03:11 summon bondam okay I don’t believe
02:03:15 Joseph Smith used the phrase summon BND
02:03:19 denum ion Su bonum yeah there we go I
02:03:23 believe Joseph Smith would have stated
02:03:25 it simply in the language of his day
02:03:28 which is English Book of Mormon teaches
02:03:31 that Yahweh
02:03:33 speaks speaks to people in their own
02:03:36 yeah I didn’t uh edit my notes Here
02:03:39 speaks two people in their own language
02:03:42 and I would extend that to his servants
02:03:45 to do the same thing right right
02:03:50 uh verse 11 suon oh say it again for us
02:03:55 Ben Su bonum means highest good of the
02:04:00 priesthood is to point us to Yeshua the
02:04:03 promised Messiah even how they are
02:04:05 ordained as stated in Elma 13 and not
02:04:09 how a supposed man can save you by
02:04:12 writing down their name because that is
02:04:16 a Lie from the pit of Hell in fact Amma
02:04:20 13 brings out the purpose of the mesic
02:04:23 priesthood look I can’t spell mesic uh
02:04:25 is to call
02:04:29 repentance not to write down their name
02:04:32 to save them calling repentance helps
02:04:35 people repent which is a
02:04:39 huge that’s probably part of being
02:04:42 Sanctified which when we read
02:04:47 d76 right
02:04:49 that is a
02:04:50 requirement to get Celestial glory is
02:04:54 sanctification um let’s
02:04:58 see oh uh let’s do
02:05:04 here yeah right here uh I know it’s in
02:05:07 the imagery and they can receive the
02:05:09 Holy Spirit which is sanctification when
02:05:11 we go off of was it DNC
02:05:17 84
02:05:19 um but I have a post that goes over this
02:05:23 and
02:05:24 so I’m not going to do it here but I’ll
02:05:26 put in the
02:05:32 notes
02:05:35 um anyways DNC 76 sanctification which
02:05:39 is keeping the law right
02:05:42 um okay go back to Doctrine
02:05:45 covenants okay um yeah okay so we did
02:05:50 that the other point I have on verse 11
02:05:53 is I I have had a lot of pre Pretenders
02:05:58 tell me I’m going to hell because I
02:06:00 don’t because I don’t believe in the
02:06:03 heresies they are teaching perhaps this
02:06:06 is the supposed scripture they Ed to
02:06:08 justify their idea that they can condemn
02:06:11 me so
02:06:16 um we are
02:06:19 condemned and
02:06:21 rewarded by our works so our works
02:06:26 condemn us not our beliefs I I don’t
02:06:29 know any Scripture off top my head that
02:06:31 states that we’re condemned by our
02:06:33 beliefs we are condemmed by our works
02:06:36 okay like likewise we are Rec we are
02:06:39 rewarded according to our works correct
02:06:42 our align with those of Yeshua
02:06:45 hamashiach we approach great we approach
02:06:48 greater and greater um
02:06:52 sanctification um that me so what that
02:06:55 means is
02:06:57 uh for
02:06:59 instance if you go out and expose the
02:07:01 secret work of
02:07:04 Darkness that could help that could help
02:07:06 you that could be that could be
02:07:08 something that you that that could very
02:07:10 well because it’s in Torah be something
02:07:13 that you need to do to help you receive
02:07:15 your sanctification uh actually uh
02:07:19 Torah KN book Mormon DNC and New
02:07:21 Testament does
02:07:23 say to call people the repentance and
02:07:26 expose evil works right yep um also I
02:07:31 just want to clarify I know Ben said it
02:07:33 but I just want to say a slightly
02:07:35 different way is it’s after we accept
02:07:38 yeshua’s atonement and come under his
02:07:41 covering that we can re he will then
02:07:44 reward us for our works according to
02:07:47 Torah and and even sermon on Torah AKA
02:07:50 Sermon on the Mount states that in
02:07:52 Matthew 5 forget the verse let’s go find
02:07:56 it because there’s lesser and greater
02:08:00 right find real quick oh yes Matthew
02:08:04 five I hit the wrong button silly
02:08:17 me oh
02:08:19 oh no it’s it’s least right ah
02:08:29 yeah uh verse 19 oh you found it okay so
02:08:34 you want to read it since you found it
02:08:36 yeah
02:08:37 sure whosoever therefore shall break one
02:08:40 of the one of these least Commandments
02:08:42 and shall teach so least is like the
02:08:45 smallest right y um okay he shall be
02:08:51 called the least in the Kingdom of
02:08:53 Heaven he shall be called
02:08:55 testial but whosoever shall do and teach
02:08:58 them the same Shall be Called great or
02:09:02 Celestial in the Kingdom of Heaven y
02:09:05 there we go for I say unto you that
02:09:07 except your righteousness shall exceed
02:09:09 the righteousness of the scribes and
02:09:11 Pharisees you shall in no case enter
02:09:14 into the Kingdom of Heaven yeah so the
02:09:18 main point there lesser and greater
02:09:20 right or testeral and C leral okay and
02:09:25 and the difference and the
02:09:28 difference as he pointed out unless your
02:09:31 righteousness exceeds that of the
02:09:32 scribes and Pharisees who decided that
02:09:35 they by a series of midrashic
02:09:37 interpretation could slice the law up
02:09:40 and make 613 Commandments out of it
02:09:44 which they don’t agree on what those or
02:09:46 613 are right
02:09:48 right unless your righteousness exceeds
02:09:51 that you won’t make
02:09:54 it right uh we’re supposed to live we’re
02:09:58 supposed to live by what’s in Torah
02:10:00 we’re not supposed to live by um we’re
02:10:03 not supposed to live by what we can
02:10:05 trick out of it right right so this goes
02:10:08 along with verses I’ve already shared
02:10:10 about do it according as it’s written
02:10:13 not according to how men interpret it
02:10:16 which is what the Sadducees and
02:10:18 Pharisees were very famous for doing
02:10:22 right modern Jude modern rical Judaism
02:10:26 um Orthodox J
02:10:29 Judaism is a direct descendant of the
02:10:34 Pharisees yep and Yeshua and New
02:10:36 Testament stated that their false
02:10:39 Traditions made Torah no and void right
02:10:44 so go according to the written law not
02:10:47 tradition that you get for men
02:10:50 okay so all right so I think that’s
02:10:53 enough with 11 um I I’ll read
02:10:58 12 okay therein herein is Glory and
02:11:03 Honor immortality and eternal life the
02:11:06 ordinance of baptism by water to be
02:11:10 immersed therein in order to answer to
02:11:13 the likeness of the Dead that
02:11:17 one
02:11:20 what did I read it wrong or you want to
02:11:22 say something no it’s just like uh oh
02:11:26 yeah yeah as in this is this is wrong is
02:11:29 what you’re getting at right yeah yeah
02:11:31 so well do you want to say something now
02:11:32 or do you want to wait until I’m
02:11:35 finished they’re in in order to answer
02:11:37 to the likeness of the
02:11:39 Dead they’re talking about
02:11:42 [Music]
02:11:45 possession oh yeah yeah I can I didn’t
02:11:48 noticed that before but yeah
02:11:51 yeah because we’re not supposed to uh
02:11:55 answer the likeness of the dead we’re
02:11:56 supposed to answer to the likeness of
02:11:58 the living because Yeshua is living not
02:12:01 dead right but yeah that’s a good point
02:12:03 I didn’t catch that before very
02:12:06 good um so that one principle might
02:12:10 Accord to with the other to be immersed
02:12:14 reference black and white checker
02:12:17 board to be immersed in the water and
02:12:21 come forth out of the water is in the
02:12:23 likeness of the resurrection of the
02:12:26 Dead um well it’s in the likeness of the
02:12:31 Yeshua dying and coming back um but I
02:12:35 mean I I can give them that right coming
02:12:37 forth out of their
02:12:39 graves but this is where it’s making it
02:12:42 in likeness of other people and not
02:12:44 Yahweh Elohim right right which is wrong
02:12:47 they’re doing they’re doing they’re
02:12:51 doing yeh Elohim and
02:12:54 his and they’re doing yov Yeshua
02:12:59 completely out of the
02:13:01 picture right he gets no mention in this
02:13:05 resurrection of De right because they’re
02:13:08 doing plural instead of singular hence
02:13:11 this ordinance was instituted to form a
02:13:14 relationship with the ordinance of the
02:13:16 baptism for the Dead
02:13:18 uh being in the likeness of the Dead no
02:13:21 it’s in the likeness of the living
02:13:23 Yeshua and baptisms for the dead so uh
02:13:28 we talked about this in in the DNC
02:13:32 127 but uh I’ll put that in the notes
02:13:35 but let’s just go
02:13:37 look
02:13:38 at the most famous verse for
02:13:42 that um real quick and talk about it
02:13:48 let’s this uh okay so
02:13:52 here uh a lot of the brigam mites will
02:13:56 claim 1 Corinthians 1
02:13:59 15 for justifications for baptisms for
02:14:03 the dead that let’s
02:14:05 actually let’s go get that up because
02:14:07 you can see in here I don’t remember if
02:14:09 I put it here but Paul states in the
02:14:13 same chapter that he dies daily okay
02:14:19 and so he is obviously referring to the
02:14:21 death that is inherent in sin yes um in
02:14:28 in in hubic thought so there it is um
02:14:33 when you sin you die because the wages
02:14:37 of sin is death okay so if Paul was
02:14:42 talking about someone who literally Die
02:14:45 Why does in this chapter he brings out
02:14:48 that he dies
02:14:53 daily it makes no sense because that’s
02:14:56 changing the context does that mean does
02:14:58 that mean that he gets resurrected
02:15:01 David that that would mean that he could
02:15:05 live forever wouldn’t it but oh wait a
02:15:09 minute The Book of Mormon states that
02:15:11 once you’re
02:15:13 resurrected your body and your spirit
02:15:16 never separate so wait a minute you only
02:15:19 resurrect once and Paul very clearly
02:15:24 states that man man is born once to die
02:15:28 and then the Judgment yeah and the Book
02:15:31 of Mormon goes right along the same
02:15:35 lines so um and the notes what else
02:15:39 would do they do which are baptized for
02:15:41 the
02:15:43 dead um which are I I would we’d have to
02:15:47 go look but I would speculate what else
02:15:50 are they which are
02:15:52 baptizing people who are dead if the
02:15:56 dead will not rise in the resurrection
02:15:59 at all why are they B baptizing people
02:16:03 who have
02:16:05 sinned right
02:16:07 right um I profess by your rejoicings
02:16:12 which I have in the Messiah Yeshua are
02:16:16 Yahweh I die daily so now I do
02:16:21 believe this was early in Paul’s calling
02:16:26 to apostil ship
02:16:29 okay um because Paul was a
02:16:32 non-believer initially and he went
02:16:35 around he was zealous for what he
02:16:37 thought was truth and he went around
02:16:40 killing the Believers and Yeshua Messiah
02:16:43 after he saw Yeshua or actually he
02:16:46 didn’t see him but after his
02:16:48 Vision he was converted right
02:16:51 and uh who is the one that uh blessed
02:16:55 him to receive sight I
02:16:58 forget uh Cornelius maybe yeah I think
02:17:03 so yeah Cornelius I think but anyways
02:17:05 that then maybe not let me check well
02:17:09 anyways um it was after that that he
02:17:12 then became a
02:17:14 convert uh I don’t know how early first
02:17:17 Chans 1 15 was written but the reason
02:17:21 why I do say um this is early in his
02:17:25 apostleship is because I Die daily okay
02:17:28 now uh let’s go look at a quote from
02:17:31 Joseph Smith about uh
02:17:35 repentance
02:17:37 um actually it’s ananas oh ananas okay
02:17:42 um the person that person that p y
02:17:46 ananas is the ananas and Safir is the
02:17:49 name of the people Peter oh okay so
02:17:51 there’s two
02:17:53 IAS apparently it’s a fairly it was a
02:17:55 fairly common name at time okay well I I
02:17:58 was kind of thinking I I can’t say it
02:18:01 now but I was also remember the one in
02:18:04 acts with Peter so I was thinking that
02:18:05 can’t be the same but I guess it is the
02:18:07 same all right
02:18:10 anyways um so here’s a quote from Joseph
02:18:12 Smith repentance is a thing that cannot
02:18:15 be trifled with every day
02:18:18 daily trans transgression and daily
02:18:21 repent is not that which is pleasing in
02:18:24 the sight of Elohim so what is pleasing
02:18:28 in the sight of
02:18:29 Elohim is an immediate renunciation of
02:18:33 all of your sins right it is false
02:18:37 prophets that tell you and false
02:18:38 teachers that tell you just repent of
02:18:41 your favorite sin no you don’t see that
02:18:43 anywhere in scriptures it’s always
02:18:45 repent of all your your sins yeah in
02:18:50 fact the baptism the Covenant that you
02:18:53 make before you’re baptized is to keep
02:18:55 all of yahweh’s Commandments AKA Torah
02:18:59 okay not some of them now the thing the
02:19:02 thing about perfection and the thing
02:19:04 about perfection in
02:19:06 Torah is that it is a is that it is a
02:19:12 process there is a process to it you you
02:19:16 will make you will make mistakes but if
02:19:19 your heart is to the Lord you will
02:19:22 quickly turn from them and return to
02:19:24 Torah um this is the mistakes you make
02:19:29 because of bad
02:19:30 habits
02:19:32 um
02:19:34 but if your heart if your heart is right
02:19:37 before God and you love and you love
02:19:39 your
02:19:40 Redeemer you will instantly realize that
02:19:43 you have offended him and you will turn
02:19:46 from that which offends
02:19:49 yes so uh I I do that is my explanation
02:19:54 why Paul says he dies daily it’s
02:19:56 probably early in his walk okay because
02:20:00 even when you’re a Believer there some
02:20:03 habits um dies slow in fact Paul also
02:20:06 talks about how he kept praying to have
02:20:09 a thorn I would say a bad habit sin
02:20:13 removed from him right so anyways uh we
02:20:18 don’t know what that is but also another
02:20:21 one real quick I’ll just bring out is 1
02:20:24 Peter
02:20:25 46 um let’s get it
02:20:31 here here four
02:20:36 six for this cause was the Gospel
02:20:39 preached to them also that were dead
02:20:42 that they might be judged according to
02:20:44 men in the flesh but live according to
02:20:46 Elohim in the
02:20:48 spirit um
02:20:51 so
02:20:56 um those who are
02:20:59 dead
02:21:01 um how if they’re dead how can they live
02:21:05 according to the
02:21:06 spirit if they actually are literally
02:21:13 dead this is where the idiom of when we
02:21:18 sin we
02:21:20 die because the wages of sin is death uh
02:21:23 also goes into play here okay right
02:21:29 um it’s a when you and when you take the
02:21:32 verses in front of it into
02:21:35 account instead of isolating a verse to
02:21:39 prove a non-existent
02:21:44 point right and and my note here I have
02:21:47 we can read them but just before this
02:21:49 verse it talks about people who have
02:21:51 sinned not physically died I which like
02:21:55 just one that stands up right now lusts
02:21:58 of men cease from your sin right yeah uh
02:22:03 wrought the will of the Gentiles right
02:22:05 who didn’t understand Torah
02:22:10 lessness lust drinking too much
02:22:15 reing uh
02:22:18 what is that one bang
02:22:21 banquetings I’m just eating too much um
02:22:24 right because that is a sin eating too
02:22:26 much is a sin and idolatries here he’s
02:22:29 listing sins right but anyways who shall
02:22:33 give account to him who is ready to
02:22:35 judge the quick and the dead quick in
02:22:37 the Hebrew
02:22:40 um the is another Hebrew idiom meaning
02:22:43 the quick are those who are
02:22:45 alive who live in the rest in Torah it’s
02:22:49 remains much the same as
02:22:51 Meek so anyways I think that’s enough on
02:22:55 two common ones that people try to use
02:22:58 to justify literal baptisms of the dead
02:23:01 or proxy is another way to put it for
02:23:04 proxy baptisms for the dead right it’s
02:23:07 just it’s not well supported and and
02:23:10 both of these and here we look we’re
02:23:12 just showing stuff from the actual
02:23:14 chapter and even close to the verses
02:23:16 that people
02:23:17 try to use
02:23:20 right so I do think that’s enough on
02:23:23 that um and we have some more in the DNC
02:23:27 127 recording right yep
02:23:31 yep uh okay let’s see I I think we read
02:23:36 this so Ben are you willing to re read
02:23:40 verse
02:23:42 12 I think we’ve read verse 12 oh uh are
02:23:46 you sure
02:23:48 yeah uh because being in the likeness of
02:23:50 the Dead I remember you’re reading that
02:23:53 really oh okay well I forgot then uh you
02:23:55 want to read verse 13 absolutely I would
02:23:58 love to read verse 13 okay consequently
02:24:02 the baptismal font was instituted as a
02:24:04 similitude of the grave and was
02:24:06 commanded to be in a place underneath
02:24:08 where the living were want to assemble
02:24:11 to show forth the living and the dead
02:24:13 that all things may have their likeness
02:24:15 that they may Accord one with another
02:24:17 that which is Earthly conforming to that
02:24:19 which is Heavenly as Paul hath declared
02:24:21 1 Corinthians 15:46 47 this is actually
02:24:25 not true because the baptismal font was
02:24:27 originally a part one of the bapt one of
02:24:31 the early baptismal fonts was originally
02:24:33 part of the Tabernacle and it was not
02:24:36 below where men are want to
02:24:42 assemble right it was the Holy
02:24:44 Place uh they they did dig holes it was
02:24:48 close to the it was rather it was close
02:24:50 to the holy cour right uh it you had
02:24:55 to you had to be baptized to enter the
02:24:58 holy
02:24:59 place right so here’s just a kind of go
02:25:03 along with what you brought up the
02:25:05 Catholics did use to do baptisms for the
02:25:09 dead um and I do believe the Jesuits
02:25:12 still do that and I do
02:25:15 believe that Bri young got it from his
02:25:18 Jesuit handlers okay
02:25:21 yeah um but I mean I don’t have absolute
02:25:26 support for all that but I do have
02:25:28 support that he had Jesuit um handlers
02:25:31 but anyways so let’s look at the notes I
02:25:36 have for 13 unless you wanted to say
02:25:38 something else real quick that’s it
02:25:42 okay if the font is patterned after
02:25:45 where the spirits won’t go then why are
02:25:48 Saints going to the likeness of it right
02:25:51 I mean that’s kind of obvious there uh
02:25:55 also All Saints will die just as our
02:25:58 perfect example died in our place to
02:26:01 break the bands of death if we don’t die
02:26:05 we can’t go to heaven even if it’s in
02:26:08 the twinkling of an eye right so if
02:26:11 you’re thinking so basically it’s like
02:26:13 you’re dead for like a split second and
02:26:14 then you’re alive again uh yeah that’s
02:26:17 what twinkling of the eye is right right
02:26:20 but I the point here is we do have to
02:26:22 die right right yeah man is born once to
02:26:27 die yeah
02:26:29 so verse 13 to be honest I don’t see how
02:26:33 1 Corinthians 15 46-48 deals with
02:26:37 baptisms for the
02:26:39 dead
02:26:40 um as already stated it’s about
02:26:43 resurrection and what type of bodies we
02:26:45 will have so
02:26:48 um maybe let’s go read those real quick
02:26:51 I mean we were just there but we didn’t
02:26:54 actually read those
02:26:56 verses so let’s go First
02:27:00 Corinthians
02:27:05 15 46 through 48 so how be it be it that
02:27:10 was not the first which is spiritual but
02:27:14 that which is natural and afterwards
02:27:16 that which is spiritual so that’s um
02:27:19 talking about the resurrection uh I see
02:27:22 as that because our
02:27:25 spirit is spiritual but then what is
02:27:28 natural is the Mortal body and
02:27:29 afterwards which is spiritual this is
02:27:32 where uh in multiple places including
02:27:34 the Book of Mormon and lectures on faith
02:27:37 brings out how the resurrection is going
02:27:40 to be spiritual okay and I know this is
02:27:44 kind of weird if you haven’t really
02:27:45 looked into those details but it does
02:27:47 all
02:27:48 right
02:27:50 um I could look at notes if we want but
02:27:53 anyways the first man is of the earth so
02:27:56 this is Adam and the second man is
02:27:59 Yahweh oh look at that Yahweh who is
02:28:01 Yeshua from
02:28:03 Heaven as is the
02:28:07 earthy uh such are they also that are
02:28:10 earthy and and also the Heavenly which
02:28:13 they are also that are Heavenly so I
02:28:17 mean that’s actually a reference to uh
02:28:19 becoming joint HS with Christ sure sure
02:28:23 which has to do with the resurrection
02:28:25 right um and judgment so
02:28:30 um I
02:28:33 I other than they want to read it read
02:28:36 it into there I don’t see anything that
02:28:38 really points to baptisms for the dead
02:28:41 right
02:28:43 no nothing and
02:28:45 now so far what I’m seeing here so far
02:28:48 what I’m seeing here is the same kind of
02:28:50 a slip shot scriptural cases is often
02:28:53 made for multiple moral
02:28:55 probations uh yes and this is common for
02:29:00 mainstream church leaders including the
02:29:02 LDS one where they claim a verse to
02:29:06 support something that says nothing
02:29:08 directly related to what’s being claimed
02:29:13 right there’s there’s just nothing there
02:29:16 for that
02:29:18 y um let’s
02:29:21 see uh Ben will you read 14 sure how be
02:29:25 it that was not first which is spiritual
02:29:28 but that which is natural and afterward
02:29:29 that which is spiritual first mans of
02:29:32 the earth earthy second mans y away from
02:29:35 Heaven as is the earthy such are they
02:29:39 also that are earthy in other words if
02:29:41 you identify with Adam you will die both
02:29:44 physically and spiritually as is the
02:29:47 Heavenly such are they also that are
02:29:50 Heavenly and as are the records on the
02:29:52 earth in relation to your dead which are
02:29:54 truly made out so also are the records
02:29:56 of of he in heaven this therefore this
02:29:59 therefore is the sealing and binding
02:30:01 power in one sense of the word the Keys
02:30:03 of the Kingdom which consist of the in
02:30:04 the key of
02:30:06 knowledge yeah so the first part is just
02:30:09 quoting verses what is this all
02:30:12 knowledge
02:30:13 of what key of knowledge have you just
02:30:15 given us
02:30:17 I nothing I don’t see how that’s uh
02:30:20 expounding anything because key of
02:30:22 knowledge is expounding scriptures and I
02:30:25 don’t see that happening this is the
02:30:27 same kind of uh this is the same kind of
02:30:32 expounding of confounding of scripture
02:30:35 that goes on both in the LDS church and
02:30:37 with those um and with those um groups
02:30:41 that’s that splinter off from it well
02:30:44 another Christian Church
02:30:47 and Jewish churches but yeah
02:30:49 yeah most churches in general they do
02:30:52 the same kind of slip slip shot
02:30:56 um uh conf and trying to confound the
02:30:59 word of the Lord and really all they do
02:31:01 is
02:31:02 they you know as long as you believe as
02:31:05 long as you’re with them you’ll believe
02:31:07 what they say because you don’t question
02:31:12 it well you’re no longer with
02:31:15 them but if you were given something
02:31:18 like this not telling you where it came
02:31:21 from um AKA your leaders I don’t know
02:31:24 how anybody could make that connection
02:31:27 from the verse to the supposed
02:31:29 expounding right right if yeah if you if
02:31:32 you were if you were not to
02:31:36 know where this came
02:31:38 from you would not make that
02:31:41 connection exactly the only reason you
02:31:44 believe it is because of where it
02:31:45 supposedly came came
02:31:49 from all right so let’s see my notes
02:31:52 there’s no connection in First
02:31:54 Corinthians 486 has already stated
02:31:56 resurrection and the type of bodies will
02:31:58 have uh verse 14 everyone is
02:32:02 resurrected who received a physical body
02:32:05 here on Earth whether their name had
02:32:08 been recorded on paper or not right as
02:32:12 in uh the good and the evil are all
02:32:15 resurrect
02:32:17 Ed um as in this whole Revelation is how
02:32:20 everything need to be written down and
02:32:23 here um there’s a lot of people who are
02:32:27 born that the church doesn’t know about
02:32:29 right many as as many who died in the
02:32:31 womb they not even have received
02:32:34 name yeah and there’s a lot of abortions
02:32:37 which are murder happening right yep
02:32:41 anyway uh as many who died in the oh
02:32:44 look I have that say may not not have
02:32:46 received a name to be recorded okay so
02:32:51 uh another note from 14 this is
02:32:52 suggesting if some church does not
02:32:56 record all children who die before the
02:32:58 age of accountability will not get to
02:33:01 heaven which is an evil teaching as
02:33:05 taught about in Moroni 6 right yeah
02:33:09 Moroni 8 yeah I mean I eight I
02:33:12 wrote eight but said six I’m funny um
02:33:17 I yeah those who are under the age of
02:33:19 accountability don’t they
02:33:22 just uh they go to heaven because
02:33:24 they’re not accountable for their sins
02:33:28 right so their their name does not need
02:33:31 to be recorded at
02:33:35 all so uh Zach will you read
02:33:44 15 no my do beloved Brethren and sisters
02:33:48 let me assure you that these are
02:33:50 principles in relation to the dead and
02:33:53 and the living that cannot be ladly
02:33:55 passed over as pertaining to our
02:33:59 Salvation for th their salvation
02:34:02 is
02:34:04 necessary and essential to our
02:34:07 Salvation as Paul says concerning the
02:34:09 fathers that they without us cannot be
02:34:12 made perfect neither can we without our
02:34:15 dead be be made
02:34:17 preferred so uh this one’s a a real
02:34:21 interesting one um in that there’s a jst
02:34:27 for that uh Hebrews
02:34:30 11 uh verse
02:34:33 so let’s
02:34:35 go put this over
02:34:38 here
02:34:40 find uh although I don’t know the orders
02:34:43 I do read these things anyways
02:34:47 so 11 it was 40 right
02:34:52 yep uh so God having provided some
02:34:57 better thing for
02:35:03 us that they without us could or without
02:35:08 us should not be made perfect oh wait a
02:35:13 minute now let’s read it how Joseph
02:35:15 Smith distorted which
02:35:18 contradicts that and what’s being um
02:35:21 stated here in this letter
02:35:25 right God having provided some better
02:35:29 things for them through their suffering
02:35:33 for without suffering they could not be
02:35:38 made perfect okay so I think this right
02:35:44 here is the single big biggest piece of
02:35:46 evidence that this letter was never
02:35:50 penned by Joseph Smith or directly
02:35:55 contradicts his own the uh the
02:35:58 inspiration his own inspired version of
02:36:01 the
02:36:01 Bible
02:36:04 yeah it just completely goes against
02:36:07 it um you you I don’t know how logically
02:36:13 you can hold that DNC 12 8 which
02:36:17 includes verse 15 and believe in the jst
02:36:21 OR inspired Bible at the same time
02:36:23 there’re in direct contradiction with
02:36:25 each
02:36:28 other
02:36:30 so anyways I I I just I don’t know how
02:36:33 you can do it so but let’s go to
02:36:37 16 um I think it’s my turn and now in
02:36:41 relation to baptisms for the dead I will
02:36:44 give you another quotation of Paul 1
02:36:47 Corinthians 15:20 else else what shall
02:36:50 they do which are baptized for the dead
02:36:52 if the dead rais not OD it all why are
02:36:55 they baptized for the dead okay so we
02:36:57 already talked about this but this is
02:37:00 though when you sin it is it is as if
02:37:04 you were dead in fact uh happen chance I
02:37:08 just watched fiddle on the roof the
02:37:11 other day and they show this tradition
02:37:14 with parents and their children when
02:37:17 their children sin so bad they consider
02:37:21 their
02:37:22 children dead oh look I even have that
02:37:24 right there in the note that’s funny but
02:37:28 anyways uh this just goes along the fact
02:37:30 that we already talked
02:37:32 about uh that First Corinthians are
02:37:34 talking about Sinners to the fact that
02:37:38 Paul what was in verse
02:37:40 31 states that he dies
02:37:43 daily well the the grave and the
02:37:47 interesting thing is the grave sin that
02:37:49 she commits is marrying a
02:37:52 Christian yes yes
02:37:55 um yeah anyways that is it’s a nice
02:37:58 movie but it is just a movie right right
02:38:02 because he has a lot of quotes from the
02:38:04 good book that aren’t authentic they’re
02:38:06 just made up out of his own mind right
02:38:09 yeah the good book of the good book of
02:38:11 tevia
02:38:14 yeah
02:38:16 it’s a it’s a good movie though but it
02:38:18 you shouldn’t watch it for a
02:38:20 Doctrine right but it’s uh but it it’s
02:38:25 it isn’t it it’s so in many ways it’s
02:38:28 actually a very moving
02:38:32 story yeah okay um you want to read 17
02:38:37 uh B oh suppose I could do that and
02:38:41 again in connection with this quotation
02:38:43 I will give you a quotation one prophets
02:38:46 who had his eye fixed on the restoration
02:38:48 of the priesthood the glor is to be
02:38:51 revealed in the last days and in in a
02:38:54 special manner this most glorious of all
02:38:56 subjects belonging to the Everlasting
02:38:58 gospel namely the baptisms for the dead
02:39:02 for Malachi says last chapter verses
02:39:05 5ifth and sixth behold I will send you
02:39:08 Elijah the prophet before the coming of
02:39:10 the great and Dreadful day of the Lord
02:39:13 and he shall turn the hearts of the
02:39:14 fathers to the children and the Heart of
02:39:15 the children to the fathers lest I come
02:39:17 and smite the Earth with a curse so
02:39:20 first by the way is completely
02:39:23 completely
02:39:25 mischaracterized out of context because
02:39:27 this is actually given in context with
02:39:30 the admonition to remember the law of
02:39:34 God with its with its uh judgments and
02:39:39 statutes yes I agree so let’s go off
02:39:41 this the other thing then and to that
02:39:44 end he will send Elijah the prophet and
02:39:47 he has said Elijah the
02:39:50 prophet who is Joseph Smith and it is
02:39:53 the very person who people lie and put
02:39:57 this kind of crap to it yeah well
02:40:02 I Elijah you this generation stoned
02:40:08 Elijah yeah in fact his supposed friends
02:40:12 did it
02:40:14 right
02:40:16 namely uh Brigham Young and his
02:40:19 cohorts um as I’ll I have a resource
02:40:22 page on which I’ll add in the notes but
02:40:26 um Ben uh will you
02:40:30 read what how Moroni quoted that verse
02:40:33 to Joseph Smith now th this is very
02:40:37 early when this happened so why would
02:40:39 Joseph Smith be putting in the incorrect
02:40:43 King James version in the letter when he
02:40:45 knew Moroni gave it to him a different
02:40:49 way right behold I will reveal unto you
02:40:52 the
02:41:00 priesthood by the hand of by the hand of
02:41:03 Elijah the prophet before the coming of
02:41:04 the great and Dreadful day of the Lord
02:41:07 and He Shall plant in the hearts of the
02:41:09 children the promises made to the
02:41:11 fathers and the hearts of the children
02:41:12 shall turn to their fathers if if it
02:41:15 were not so the whole Earth would be
02:41:17 utterly wasted at yeh elohim’s
02:41:23 coming and the priesthood was revealed
02:41:26 through the
02:41:29 hand Elijah the
02:41:32 prophet and the promises were
02:41:35 planted they were planted they have not
02:41:38 yet come to fruition but they were
02:41:40 planted right it started Joseph Smith
02:41:43 started the restoration
02:41:46 he started getting people to come back
02:41:50 to Yahweh elohim’s law known as Torah he
02:41:53 didn’t do it
02:41:56 completely there there’s parts of Torah
02:41:59 that were just completely off this
02:42:01 radar all right right but you go look
02:42:04 through DNC when it’s stating laws that
02:42:06 we need to keep guess what it’s
02:42:07 reiterations of Torah right right right
02:42:11 and so and so what you find is an
02:42:14 interesting L of
02:42:17 U Torah
02:42:21 with the the Church of the Latter-Day
02:42:24 Saints was an interesting blend of Torah
02:42:27 with um Christian
02:42:30 Traditions yeah yeah yeah well Joseph
02:42:34 Smith uh was a gentile right and so was
02:42:37 I I grew up a gentile so it takes time
02:42:41 for that stuff to get out of us right
02:42:43 but uh I think the big Point here
02:42:46 another one like in verse
02:42:48 15 how it’s misquoting the
02:42:51 jst uh this verse is misquoting Malachi
02:42:56 as given to Joseph Smith from Moroni
02:43:00 right as we just read from the DNC and
02:43:03 the whole thing is though that even if
02:43:06 you that even with this
02:43:09 rendition the meaning is clear when you
02:43:12 connect it to the previous verse
02:43:15 correct it is talking about bringing
02:43:18 them back to the
02:43:20 covenants that was given to their
02:43:22 fathers which The Book of Mormon title
02:43:26 page from the gold plate States that’s
02:43:28 what the purpose of the Book of Mormon
02:43:29 is and because of that and knowing that
02:43:33 Mormon means Covenant The Book of Mormon
02:43:37 was not named after a man it was named
02:43:40 after what is to bring us to yahweh’s
02:43:45 Eternal and ancient
02:43:53 Covenant so but I do agree if you know
02:43:56 how to read it it says the same in
02:43:59 both but my point is it’s quoting the
02:44:03 wrong version Joseph Smith wouldn’t have
02:44:05 done that yeah he
02:44:10 wouldn’t all right so Zach are you
02:44:13 willing to read Verse 18
02:44:16 yeah it’s a quick thing though I I did
02:44:18 read in the I did read in
02:44:21 the
02:44:22 jst2 uhhuh copy that I have that in
02:44:26 Malachai 4 you did do the the the King
02:44:32 James version of it of that
02:44:35 verse oh uh let’s go
02:44:39 see
02:44:44 Malachai
02:44:46 oh well I don’t think
02:44:51 he it’s Malachi 4 right yeah yeah so he
02:44:55 didn’t correct everything bind it says
02:44:57 he shall bind the hearts of the fathers
02:44:59 to the children the heart of the
02:45:00 children to their fathers yeah instead
02:45:03 of turn he shall bind yeah and then over
02:45:06 here oh let’s leave that
02:45:09 up so there’s bind but then over here
02:45:13 what verse was that I oh this
02:45:16 one
02:45:19 uh turn here it says turn so it even it
02:45:22 doesn’t match that right good point
02:45:27 Zach so I I just I I just don’t believe
02:45:31 that’s how Jose Smith would have quoted
02:45:32 it for two reasons now right so
02:45:37 anyways all right so let’s read Verse
02:45:44 18 I might have rendered a planer
02:45:47 translation to this but it is
02:45:49 sufficiently plain to suit my purpose as
02:45:52 it say so I I just want to say I mean we
02:45:56 just brought out a more plane two more
02:45:58 plane jst and moroni’s quotation
02:46:03 right why is he saying there needs to be
02:46:05 more plane than ones that he already had
02:46:07 but and he’s quoting it he’s not quoting
02:46:10 either one of those but
02:46:12 anyways
02:46:14 right is sufficient to know in this case
02:46:17 that the Earth will be smitten with the
02:46:19 curse unless there is a welding link of
02:46:22 some kind or other between the fathers
02:46:26 and the children okay so you’re
02:46:28 receiving a revelation from Yahweh
02:46:29 Elohim but there needs to be a welding
02:46:31 link of some kind or other not actually
02:46:34 getting clear instruction right so and
02:46:37 and on this point since we’re paused in
02:46:39 throughout the scriptures we receive
02:46:42 curses such as stoning that happens at
02:46:46 the second coming because of our own
02:46:50 sins not
02:46:52 because uh we magically bound to our
02:46:57 parents or or our children right right
02:47:01 it’s because of the sins that we
02:47:04 ourselves
02:47:06 commit not because of something our
02:47:09 parents may or may have not done and
02:47:12 that that if you believe in the prite
02:47:15 Temple which I do not if you’re not
02:47:18 sealed to your
02:47:21 parents it’s their fault not yours right
02:47:25 all right thus stoning you receiving a
02:47:30 curse because of something that they
02:47:33 themselves didn’t do which is contrary
02:47:36 to scriptures and yahweh’s revealed
02:47:39 word yeah
02:47:42 so anyways let’s continue
02:47:47 upon upon some subject or another or
02:47:51 other and behold what is that subject is
02:47:55 the baptism for the dead for we without
02:47:58 them cannot be made perfect neither can
02:48:00 they without us be made
02:48:01 perfect neither can they nor we be made
02:48:06 perfect without those who have died in
02:48:07 the gospel
02:48:08 also or it is necessary in the ushering
02:48:12 and of the dispensation of the fullness
02:48:15 of times so pause real quick and we’ll
02:48:18 look at more but uh we’re not in the
02:48:20 dispensation of the fullness of
02:48:23 times Joseph Smith did not restore
02:48:26 everything fullness of times is when
02:48:28 everything will be
02:48:29 restored Joseph Smith do that he the job
02:48:33 of the mighty and strong one not the
02:48:35 Elijah Joseph Smith he planted the
02:48:39 prise yeah and what Joseph Smith plants
02:48:45 will
02:48:46 grow in the mighty and strong one
02:48:50 because the want to bring more just like
02:48:53 a
02:48:54 benadi
02:48:56 planted planted the promise in Al’s
02:48:59 heart
02:49:01 right AB benedi is a type of Joseph
02:49:04 Smith and Elma The Elder is a type for
02:49:08 the mighty and strong one
02:49:11 y um all right go ahead Zach
02:49:20 which
02:49:21 demonstration is now beginning to usher
02:49:24 in that a whole and in complete and
02:49:27 perfect union and welting together of
02:49:30 distance dispensations and keys and
02:49:33 powers and glories should take place and
02:49:36 be revealed from the days of Adam even
02:49:39 to the present time and not only this
02:49:42 but those things which never have been
02:49:45 revealed from the foundation of the
02:49:47 world that have been kept hid from the
02:49:49 wise and prudent shall be revealed unto
02:49:52 babes and sucklings in this the
02:49:55 dispensation of the fullness of
02:49:58 times okay unless you guys want to say
02:50:00 something we can look at my notes let’s
02:50:02 just go to the notes because we’ve
02:50:04 already talked about the
02:50:05 dispensation
02:50:08 times so uh Verse 18 supposedly Joseph
02:50:12 Smith is uh claimer of a planer
02:50:16 translation but this suff suffices when
02:50:20 Moroni
02:50:22 or this goes against what moronai gave
02:50:26 him what the verse actually States sorry
02:50:30 but buying not buying this lie so we
02:50:33 talked about that already the reason the
02:50:35 Earth would be fought with a curse is
02:50:39 not because the fathers are not seal to
02:50:41 their children which FYI Joseph Smith
02:50:44 never
02:50:45 did um and we talked about that already
02:50:49 it’s the curse happens because of them
02:50:51 not keeping God’s Torah
02:50:55 right Verse 18 so the way perfect is
02:50:59 used in The Sermon on the Mount or Torah
02:51:02 and lectures on faith uh lecture seven
02:51:05 is keeping the Commandments of Yahweh
02:51:08 nothing to do with being sealed to
02:51:11 another person which if not you’re immed
02:51:14 mediate link of going from father to son
02:51:18 but somewhere there is someone who is
02:51:20 Wicked Man and thus would make your
02:51:23 chain
02:51:26 invalid so the the idea that we have to
02:51:29 get all this linked all the way up to
02:51:31 Adam won’t work
02:51:35 because according to the El bite
02:51:37 tradition it’s only valid if they’re
02:51:39 righteous right well and here’s the
02:51:43 thing
02:51:49 you
02:51:54 uh you cannot enter into Covenant
02:51:57 without
02:51:59 human in your and remain in your
02:52:03 sins
02:52:07 correct sorry
02:52:11 folks and that Spirit which possesses
02:52:13 your body at the time that you leave
02:52:15 this earth will have power to possess
02:52:16 your body in the next life yeah or at
02:52:21 the resurrection right right go ahead
02:52:23 Jack and we stated before that there
02:52:27 there’s so many people that are lost
02:52:30 forgotten the you know stands of time or
02:52:33 something like you
02:52:35 know
02:52:37 so this this thing C this thing
02:52:41 that this chapter is talking about camp
02:52:44 work that way it’s talking about right
02:52:47 right well but oh but that’s what the
02:52:49 Millennium was for
02:52:55 dude
02:52:57 right um so what they say God gave us a
02:53:01 Commandment that we can’t do ourselves
02:53:03 right now oh wait a minute uh uh I think
02:53:08 uh first Nephi
02:53:10 37 huh all right anyways okay I don’t
02:53:14 want to be associated with your God he
02:53:16 doesn’t he doesn’t act like God the
02:53:18 first
02:53:19 e537 yeah yeah and he doesn’t do that by
02:53:24 meaning you can keep it in the future
02:53:26 it’s right now right so anyway right the
02:53:30 thing
02:53:35 is you can be you
02:53:40 can you you can be a perfect expression
02:53:42 of cor right now
02:53:46 even even if you occasionally stumble
02:53:49 and slip up you can still be a perfect
02:53:52 expression of
02:53:54 Torah by
02:53:56 continuously turning from the stumble
02:53:59 and not dwelling in it and just moving
02:54:00 on right learn from it don’t dwell on
02:54:06 it um anyways so Verse 18 your ability
02:54:11 to live with Yahweh Elohim does not
02:54:14 depend upon your ancestors living
02:54:17 righteously which having to have that
02:54:20 link all the way back to Adam suggests
02:54:23 right which is not the case because
02:54:28 um there there was a lot of wicked men
02:54:31 um even
02:54:33 in uh
02:54:35 yahweh’s um genealogy right so yeah I
02:54:40 mean some
02:54:42 of some of them are celebrated
02:54:45 yeah um and
02:54:49 um guess what you don’t get to pick your
02:54:52 parents so um that’s not something
02:54:55 that’s your fault so anyways all right
02:54:58 it depends on you coming under the blood
02:55:02 of the Lamb with a broken heart and
02:55:03 contrite spirit which are waves is
02:55:05 saying you will keep his Tor nothing
02:55:09 else including your
02:55:12 ancestors mhm
02:55:14 you’re not judged by your ancestors
02:55:17 Works um what happens though is most of
02:55:22 the time people follow tra the false
02:55:24 traditions of their ancestors and that’s
02:55:27 where there’s a problem but you are
02:55:29 cursed because you’re doing it not
02:55:32 because your parents did it anyways
02:55:35 imagine what would have happened to
02:55:36 Abraham if each sh what if if God was
02:55:39 judging him for his parents’
02:55:42 sins right and that’s not what happened
02:55:45 is it
02:55:47 no
02:55:48 and uh I don’t believe his father ever
02:55:52 repented
02:55:54 right now let’s go look at Jacob and his
02:55:57 father-in-law what’s what’s going to
02:55:59 happen to his children because his uh
02:56:03 father or their Jacob’s children’s
02:56:06 Grandpa didn’t repent right are they not
02:56:10 going to get to heaven because they
02:56:11 can’t be sealed away back to Heaven
02:56:13 through that line
02:56:18 um
02:56:20 no that’s not what’s going on but
02:56:23 anyways is Jesus Christ can Jesus Christ
02:56:26 not make it back to Heaven because his
02:56:28 father lost his exaltation because one
02:56:30 of his fathers lost his
02:56:33 exaltation
02:56:35 no
02:56:37 no um so this looks like uh Verse 18
02:56:41 what Malachi 4 is stating that the whole
02:56:45 human race will be destroyed if the
02:56:47 mighty one doesn’t bring back people the
02:56:50 ways the live back uh to Torah so this
02:56:54 is not the mighty one this is the Elijah
02:56:56 Joseph Smith so this is where I probably
02:56:59 wrote this one I’m still
02:57:01 learning because trying to figure some
02:57:03 of these things
02:57:05 out uh takes time and I here I am I’m
02:57:09 inting it on recording right so this ISS
02:57:12 because Joseph Smith got people starting
02:57:14 to go back to the scriptures I know
02:57:16 because of his works I definitely have
02:57:20 but and that will also cause the mighty
02:57:22 and strong one whoever he is to do it
02:57:25 because of jst 50 and second Nephi three
02:57:30 brings out how he will be
02:57:32 using the Bible which I would say
02:57:34 includes the jst and the Book of Mormon
02:57:37 which Joseph Smith translated right and
02:57:40 because of the promise that was planted
02:57:43 in his Heart by
02:57:46 Elijah
02:57:48 yes which in the modern day Elijah is
02:57:51 Joseph Smith so anyways so Verse 18
02:57:56 where is the Glory of Zion or the glory
02:58:00 of the prophets performing Miracles or
02:58:03 the glory of the prophets giving
02:58:06 Revelations to answer questions this is
02:58:10 just full of nice sounding fluff
02:58:14 right y yeah that’s about how I would
02:58:16 have S it that’s what I would have gone
02:58:19 through yeah this is all all this is is
02:58:21 just you just have to believe it there’s
02:58:24 no there’s nothing substantial to this
02:58:27 that you can point to right right we’re
02:58:31 prophets in the scriptures guess what
02:58:33 they have Revelations they have
02:58:35 prophecies they perform Miracles so on
02:58:38 and so forth this has none of
02:58:41 that okay in addition and with with
02:58:44 Verse 18 I agree New Revelations can
02:58:47 happen but they will not contradict
02:58:50 previous Revelations as Joseph Smith
02:58:52 taught and so does the rest of the
02:58:55 Hebrew Cannon um I have a whole bunch on
02:58:58 that I’ll just show my page real quick
02:59:01 we don’t need to go over them but here’s
02:59:03 my favorite one from The Book of Mormon
02:59:06 second
02:59:08 Nephi uh
02:59:10 297 that’s a real good one Elma s Elma
02:59:15 29 anyways there’s a lot right even
02:59:17 Joseph Smith lectur on faith well here
02:59:21 this one short how it may be asked was
02:59:24 it known to be a bad Angel by con by his
02:59:29 contradicting a former
02:59:32 Revelation huh I I think there’s a lot
02:59:35 of people that need to have this written
02:59:38 on their hand and their forehead so
02:59:42 no
02:59:44 do it with a
02:59:49 uh yeah do it with a do it with write it
02:59:52 with a welding
02:59:55 torch anyways okay so uh another point
03:00:01 they won’t forget it
03:00:02 then no because they’ll they’ll see it
03:00:05 every time they go in the mirror and
03:00:07 just the pain of putting it there will
03:00:09 help them remember
03:00:12 right which I I I
03:00:15 mean um the Pains of Life are designed
03:00:19 to help us remember yahweh’s ways right
03:00:22 if we well and here’s and here’s the
03:00:24 thing
03:00:29 um
03:00:35 [Music]
03:00:39 to stop
03:00:41 recording uh okay yeah I’m about to go a
03:00:45 bit okay another Point uh Verse 18 Elma
03:00:51 129 through 11 brings out if you are not
03:00:54 keeping Torah you will not get Mysteries
03:00:58 right the yeah the interesting thing is
03:01:01 is how many Mysteries there are embedded
03:01:03 in Torah itself oh yeah uh I have a post
03:01:07 that talks about that not that I ever
03:01:09 promote my
03:01:11 stuff um
03:01:14 but I’ll put it in the links so people
03:01:16 can read it
03:01:19 later but it’s all over but if you think
03:01:24 Torah is worthless you’re not going to
03:01:26 study it
03:01:27 to or keep it to then have Yahweh reveal
03:01:32 things to you that’s in it just like he
03:01:34 revealed to Adam why he um kept Torah
03:01:39 giving offering sacrifices which is in
03:01:42 Torah right instead because you consider
03:01:45 Torah to be
03:01:46 foolishness you
03:01:48 will you will rest the scriptures to
03:01:52 your own damnation because you are
03:01:54 unlearned and
03:01:55 unstable
03:01:57 yeah so the other point I have
03:02:00 here is how uh
03:02:04 Elma at the end of Elma 12 it brings out
03:02:08 how Adam kept
03:02:10 Torah right which right here and I’ll
03:02:15 put it in the notes so you guys can go
03:02:17 look at the commentary on
03:02:20 that um just if we go over that again
03:02:24 this is going to get longer than it
03:02:25 already is but I’m giving links so you
03:02:27 guys can get more
03:02:30 info right so I’m not leaving you
03:02:32 hanging you just have to go go to
03:02:34 another link it’s an extra it’s an extra
03:02:36 click that’s all yeah yeah that’s all uh
03:02:39 and that one’s one you can listen to um
03:02:41 so Ben will you read n
03:02:45 now what do we hear in the gospel of
03:02:47 which we ever seen a voice of gladness a
03:02:51 voice of Mercy from heaven and a Voice
03:02:53 of Truth out of the earth Glad Tidings
03:02:56 for the dead a voice of gladness for the
03:02:58 living and the dead Glad Tidings of
03:03:01 great joy how beautiful upon the
03:03:04 mountains are the feet of those that
03:03:05 bring Glad Tidings of good things and
03:03:08 say unto Z that because we all know that
03:03:11 necromance is such a good thing
03:03:14 and that seant as Zion Behold thy God
03:03:17 reth as the Dos of Carmel so shall the
03:03:19 knowledge of God descend
03:03:22 upon uh so Ben added a little extra
03:03:25 commentary in that
03:03:28 verse but I do think it kind of brings
03:03:31 out what’s uh baptism of the Dead is so
03:03:34 that was fine the reason I read it the
03:03:37 way that I’ve read it is because this is
03:03:39 exactly what so
03:03:41 many um this is exactly the same kind of
03:03:44 sales pitch that so many cult gurus are
03:03:47 going to
03:03:49 use to um rope you
03:03:54 in right they’re really just used car
03:03:57 salesman
03:04:00 guys and they and they’re not that good
03:04:03 at that or else they’ be selling used
03:04:06 cars and I’ll tell you so far all I’ve
03:04:09 seen in here is selling a false hope
03:04:11 with no substance right just a whole
03:04:13 bunch of filler make you feel nice
03:04:20 words so uh but here’s my comment I
03:04:24 would and in reference to your note here
03:04:27 I would again refer you back to Elma
03:04:30 chapter 40 verse 15 which talks about
03:04:34 the fate of the
03:04:36 wicked right and uh though um on res
03:04:51 Resurrection uh let’s
03:04:55 see okay I’m gonna pause for a
03:04:57 minute so then found the verse I was
03:05:01 actually looking for it’s in Elma 34
03:05:04 which verse do we start at we’re going
03:05:06 to start in
03:05:07 31 because I don’t like reading just one
03:05:11 verse because yeah I do suggest it’s
03:05:15 good to have context before and after
03:05:17 right yes so yay I would that you would
03:05:21 come forth and Harden not your hearts
03:05:23 any longer for behold now is the time
03:05:28 and the day of your salvation and
03:05:30 therefore if you will repent you mean
03:05:32 it’s not later or a next life what is do
03:05:35 we need to check what now yeah I think
03:05:39 yeah let’s uh no no let’s
03:05:42 not
03:05:45 if you will and therefore if you will
03:05:47 repent and Harden not your hearts
03:05:50 immediately shall the great
03:05:53 immediately if you will repent and
03:05:55 Harden not your hearts immediately shall
03:05:57 the great Plan of Redemption be brought
03:05:59 about onto you do we need to check what
03:06:02 word immediately means
03:06:04 maybe well it is is more than one
03:06:08 Sy okay all right moving
03:06:12 on
03:06:13 for behold this life is the time for men
03:06:16 to prepare to meet
03:06:18 God y behold what what when is the time
03:06:22 to prepay to meet God this life oh okay
03:06:27 all right so the next one so the next
03:06:30 one’s you’re preparing for something
03:06:32 else uh well it’s not preparing for
03:06:34 anything that’s just where you get
03:06:36 rewarded or or with a blessing or with a
03:06:40 curse yeah I I I was being somewhat
03:06:43 coming she
03:06:45 okay so for behold this life is the time
03:06:48 for men to prepare to meet God yeah
03:06:50 behold the day of this life is the day
03:06:52 for men to perform their labors and now
03:06:55 as I said unto you before as you have
03:06:57 had so many witnesses therefore I
03:06:59 beseech you that you do not
03:07:01 procrastinate the day of your repentance
03:07:03 until the
03:07:04 end of this life but look do not
03:07:08 procrastinate the day of your repentance
03:07:11 or as in some people say just put off
03:07:13 until your next life which is a false
03:07:15 teaching that which reincarnation is a
03:07:17 false teaching but here it says don’t
03:07:20 procrastinate it but the ones who push
03:07:23 reincarnation or put a a different name
03:07:26 on it multiple mortal probations are
03:07:28 telling you to
03:07:30 procrastinate the day of your repentance
03:07:33 until the end for after this day of life
03:07:38 which is given to us to prepare for
03:07:41 eternity oh wait a minute what what is
03:07:42 he
03:07:43 eternity it does not speak of another
03:07:47 day of life to prepare for eternity
03:07:49 right etern we get this life to prepare
03:07:52 for eternity which is
03:07:55 forever behold if ye if we do not
03:07:58 improve our time while in this life well
03:08:02 they keep saying this life a lot yeah
03:08:06 well that means that there must be
03:08:07 another one right yeah yeah after the
03:08:10 resurrection right well what you mean
03:08:13 the one that’s defined as eternity yeah
03:08:17 yeah then cometh the night of Darkness
03:08:20 wherein there can be no labor performed
03:08:23 as in no labor according to Torah no
03:08:26 more work to be rewarded for or cursed
03:08:30 for right and you cannot say when you
03:08:33 are brought to that awful crisis that I
03:08:35 will repent that I will return to my God
03:08:40 nay ye cannot say this for that same
03:08:43 Spirit which doth possess your bodies at
03:08:45 the time that you go out of this life
03:08:47 that same spirit will have power to
03:08:49 possess your body in the Eternal
03:08:53 world so no repenting after you
03:08:58 die which is a prerequisite for the
03:09:03 bites to believe in because they go off
03:09:06 and say well people can repent after
03:09:08 they die and then accept this baptism
03:09:11 but that’s not according to the book of
03:09:13 Mormon right you cannot B repent after
03:09:16 you have physically died not according
03:09:19 to the Book of Mormon not according to
03:09:22 the Bible not according to any holy writ
03:09:27 there are many Unholy rits which
03:09:32 uh espouse this right and a lot of them
03:09:36 are based off false traditions of the
03:09:38 elus prite church out there to well I’m
03:09:40 actually speaking of the ones that are
03:09:42 outside of the OBS PR ofite tradition oh
03:09:45 well sure sure but there there’s a lot
03:09:48 of Unholy written in all over the world
03:09:50 right yes there’s a lot of Unholy red
03:09:53 it’s and and the stuff that the stuff
03:09:57 that um the stuff that says opposite of
03:10:01 this is not
03:10:03 holy yeah oh wait because uh 2 Nephi 29
03:10:08 says I speak the same not different to
03:10:12 different Nations to prove that I am
03:10:17 Elohim the judge right yeah his his ways
03:10:22 are his ways are unchanging and they are
03:10:25 set apart they are holy you will not
03:10:30 find anything like them in this
03:10:36 world except for those who are keeping
03:10:38 what he’s actually except for those who
03:10:40 are actually walking him right
03:10:44 um so I do think that’s good for that
03:10:47 point right yep I think we’re good on
03:10:49 that all right no repenting after you
03:10:52 die
03:10:54 folks
03:10:55 um oh wrong I
03:11:01 don’t well that was HEB okay so which um
03:11:05 okay we
03:11:07 read yep so I think we’re on 20 now
03:11:12 right
03:11:14 yep okay so Zach are you willing to read
03:11:22 20
03:11:24 yeah and again what do we hear GL
03:11:28 Tidings from
03:11:30 kamor Moroni an angel from heaven
03:11:33 declaring the Fulfillment of the of the
03:11:36 prophets the book to be
03:11:39 revealed a voice of the Lord in in the
03:11:42 wilderness
03:11:43 of beet senica
03:11:47 County declaring the three witness three
03:11:50 witnesses to Bear record of the
03:11:53 book The Voice of Michael on the banks
03:11:56 of
03:12:01 the how do you say that Ben sesana yeah
03:12:07 sesana detecting the devil when he
03:12:10 appeared as an angel fight of voice of
03:12:13 Peter James and John in the wilderness
03:12:16 between
03:12:20 Harmony County and kville broom county
03:12:24 on the
03:12:27 Susana River declaring themselves as
03:12:30 possessing the Keys of the Kingdom of
03:12:33 the dis dispensation of the Fest of
03:12:35 times so okay what I see I’m gonna tell
03:12:39 you what I see in this verse and the
03:12:42 previous
03:12:43 okay this is just this is
03:12:47 manipulation massive hardcore if you are
03:12:51 a if you are a true Mormon you’re gonna
03:12:55 swallow this and you’re not even gonna
03:13:00 Quest well I I would say brigite because
03:13:03 I’m a Mormon and I don’t swallow this
03:13:05 I’m just I’m just saying that’s what
03:13:07 they’re inating throughout all of this
03:13:09 they they they put this
03:13:13 On a par with all those marvelous
03:13:15 experiences by which the Lord revealed
03:13:18 the priesthood by the hand of Elijah the
03:13:26 prophet yeah it’s just it’s garbage so
03:13:32 straight manipulative garbage you’re
03:13:34 right so
03:13:38 um for a lot of this is this whole verse
03:13:42 is just fluff and has nothing that deals
03:13:46 with the subject at hand right right
03:13:49 it’s it but it yes and
03:13:53 no on a certain level it’s fluff if you
03:13:56 are actually susceptible if you are not
03:13:59 susceptible to the to the level of
03:14:02 suggestion if if you’re not
03:14:04 suggest if you’re not suggestive to the
03:14:07 level if you’re
03:14:08 not susceptible to the level of
03:14:11 suggestion that they’re using these
03:14:12 verses it is
03:14:14 fluff if you
03:14:18 are it’s
03:14:19 worse
03:14:21 right
03:14:25 um so I I do believe that the Book of
03:14:28 Mormon is fulfillment or Joseph Smith
03:14:31 receiving the Book of Mormon and
03:14:32 translating is fulfillment of Prophecy
03:14:36 as in bringing forth water Revelation
03:14:38 from the ground at the Wells but the
03:14:42 book Book of Mormon clearly contradicts
03:14:44 what is being pushed in this supposed
03:14:46 letter letter right right uh also
03:14:53 so I don’t believe that Peter James and
03:14:57 John came to Joseph Smith to give him
03:14:59 mezic priesthood I do believe they came
03:15:03 to him to call him to be an apostle but
03:15:07 because as in my priesthood little
03:15:10 Resource page it brings out tons of
03:15:12 quotes how re the mezc priesthood is
03:15:16 given by Yahweh elohim’s own
03:15:20 voice not by the laying on of hands of
03:15:23 someone else and well yeah it’s well
03:15:29 then there’s then there’s priesthood
03:15:31 genealogies in 84 that are really
03:15:34 tricky
03:15:36 uh yeah I so I I can see that for the
03:15:39 ironic because the ironic is done by Lan
03:15:42 of hands is of a man but not the
03:15:46 mzc mzc is given by yahweh’s own voice
03:15:51 um I do believe Peter James and John
03:15:53 came to Joseph Smith to make him an
03:15:56 apostle but not to give him alic
03:15:58 priesthood so okay
03:16:01 anyways so let’s see why would Peter
03:16:05 James and John have the keys of this of
03:16:08 this distance SP when they live never
03:16:11 lived during it did anything in it uh
03:16:15 Peter James and John were Apostles which
03:16:17 are not part of the
03:16:19 church period they are part of the
03:16:24 missionary effort which is a separate
03:16:26 organization from the church as we’ve
03:16:28 talked it about other
03:16:29 times but they were to only go as
03:16:33 missionaries outside where their
03:16:35 fullness is
03:16:37 not uh or the full I forgot
03:16:40 not oh
03:16:42 or well yeah I think not makes it sound
03:16:45 better but anyways why would they have
03:16:47 keys to place they had no authority over
03:16:50 the kingdom as they were sent where the
03:16:53 kingdom is not so this is this main oh I
03:16:57 said not again uh this main point here
03:17:00 is how Peter James and John was not over
03:17:02 the church in fact during early in the
03:17:06 church when the church said we need you
03:17:08 to do this they they didn’t help them
03:17:10 they said that’s your job you go figure
03:17:12 it out we are to go preach to
03:17:16 non-believers rather than help you
03:17:19 organize a church
03:17:22 right um so I I
03:17:26 just there’s a lot of these uh in
03:17:30 inations that I just are not founded in
03:17:34 scriptures right so
03:17:37 anyways so I’ll read verse 21 unless
03:17:41 anybody else wants to say anything
03:17:45 no okay and again the voice of Elohim in
03:17:48 the chamber of old father Whitmore in
03:17:52 fet senica county and at Su sundrive
03:17:55 times and in divice diverse places
03:17:58 through all the travels and tribulations
03:18:01 of this church of
03:18:03 the Church of Jesus Christ of latterday
03:18:06 saints so uh I’m just going to say
03:18:09 that’s not what Joseph Smith called it
03:18:11 at this time
03:18:13 called it this is the only
03:18:15 place where it is recorded that he wrote
03:18:18 calling it The Church of Jesus
03:18:21 Christ yeah uh just before this I forget
03:18:26 dates we could look it up but he called
03:18:28 it the Church of Latter-day Saints right
03:18:31 uh where before it was the Church of God
03:18:34 or C Church of Christ Church of Christ
03:18:37 okay um so but anyways um the the name
03:18:42 is wrong in fact
03:18:45 uh on some of
03:18:49 the on the was it the navu house it
03:18:53 actually says the Church of the latter
03:18:54 days
03:18:57 right uh here maybe let’s pause and
03:18:59 let’s see if I can find
03:19:01 it so I I found one picture I was
03:19:05 looking for and it says House of Yahweh
03:19:09 built by the church of the Latter Day
03:19:12 Saints so a couple things I want to
03:19:14 bring out it says house not Temple and
03:19:17 the Church of latterday saints it
03:19:19 doesn’t say the Church of Jesus Christ
03:19:21 of Latter-day Saints
03:19:25 so um so I
03:19:29 can yeah that’s good enough for now so
03:19:32 let’s close that and let’s go
03:19:38 back so I think this is verse what was
03:19:40 that verse 20 I think we were talking
03:19:43 about uh verse 21 oh verse 21 or oh we
03:19:48 were just reading it right
03:19:52 yeah name right there we were just about
03:19:54 to I think yeah yeah I think we read to
03:19:57 there right yeah and the voice of
03:20:00 Michael the arch angel the voice of
03:20:02 Gabriel of
03:20:04 Raphael um yeah so I I don’t have in the
03:20:10 not sorry go ahead Zach where’s
03:20:14 Donatello yeah tell me sorry say that
03:20:17 one more
03:20:18 time where’s Donell oh I’m
03:20:23 kidding from the
03:20:27 Teen you got Michael for Michelangelo
03:20:34 rapael well um yeah anyways we’re I’m
03:20:38 not going to touch that stuff but I I do
03:20:40 think this Gabrielle is incorrect here
03:20:43 because uh I’ve gone about it when
03:20:45 talking about Daniel 9 uh
03:20:50 Gabrielle is another name for
03:20:54 manav yeah
03:20:56 manav and you can just get that from the
03:21:02 Hebrew
03:21:05 y let me get the right one sorry trying
03:21:08 to put it in the
03:21:10 notes
03:21:14 n there we go this is the one we
03:21:25 want okay
03:21:28 so so that’s a problem just that
03:21:32 name uh and from Michael or Adam down to
03:21:36 present time all declaring their
03:21:37 dispensations their rights their keys
03:21:39 their honors their Ministry and glory
03:21:41 and power pried giving line upon line
03:21:44 precept upon precept here little their
03:21:46 little giving us consolations by holding
03:21:49 forth that which is to come confirming
03:21:52 our hope so okay this doesn’t really say
03:21:57 anything this is with the subject at
03:21:59 hand it’s just fluff but you want to to
03:22:00 say
03:22:01 something well uh I think that
03:22:08 uh yeah it’s uh really
03:22:13 uh interesting here that um all those
03:22:17 different Angels listed and what have
03:22:20 you where there’s actually very little
03:22:23 where none of these names are actually
03:22:26 you’ll find these names among Catholic
03:22:30 theology but you won’t find them listed
03:22:33 in the scriptures outside of
03:22:36 Michael
03:22:37 um and Gabriel but Gabriel is for m
03:22:42 but Gabriel means man ofel it’s a more
03:22:46 of a more of a title than a
03:22:49 name right like son of man right
03:22:53 right so um but
03:22:58 uh you never hear mention of
03:23:05 Raphael and this sounds very much like
03:23:08 what the um this sounds very much like
03:23:10 the uh pre
03:23:13 like the line of priesthood claimed by
03:23:15 the doctrine of Christ it all comes from
03:23:19 Angels right and a lot of these groups
03:23:22 um that are break offs they like to
03:23:24 bring up
03:23:26 um how Gabriel laid their hands or
03:23:30 Raphael laid their hands upon them to
03:23:32 give them mezic priesthood but
03:23:35 scriptures jst DNC bookham Mormon and
03:23:39 quotes from Joseph Smith states that the
03:23:41 MZ priesthood is given by yahweh’s own
03:23:45 voice right so um yeah let’s so let’s go
03:23:51 look at it uh that is interesting though
03:23:53 that how this is kind of teaching
03:23:54 Catholic Doctrine I did catch that
03:23:58 before but that would make sense to from
03:24:01 where I believe this came from Brigham
03:24:02 Young who was taking marching orders
03:24:05 from Jesuits who are the most evil
03:24:09 organization of the Catholic Church
03:24:13 right it’s the occult gnostics that are
03:24:16 fascinated by
03:24:17 rapael yeah yes they are and you’ll see
03:24:20 this in cabala too because it has the
03:24:22 same Source
03:24:24 right um so let’s see what my notes are
03:24:28 there’s no real record of this event
03:24:30 being described it’s a lie not to
03:24:32 mention the Book of Daniel shows us that
03:24:35 Gabriel is Yahweh Elohim himself it’s
03:24:38 also the ult agnostics that are
03:24:40 fascinated by ra okay so we just kind of
03:24:43 we said that without looking at the
03:24:45 notes declaring one’s priesthood seems
03:24:48 more of a pride thing that I’m better
03:24:51 than you versus that a servant of Yahweh
03:24:56 taught
03:24:57 leaders we are to be and to serve right
03:25:02 not to put ourselves above others
03:25:06 right uh not to mention DNC 21 brings
03:25:09 out how the priesthood is
03:25:12 to um expound and exhort and supplicate
03:25:17 not declare I have the priesthood do
03:25:19 what I
03:25:21 say and not to mention that the mesic
03:25:25 priesthood comes from God’s Own voice
03:25:27 right but anyways uh next part verse 21
03:25:33 not to mention line upon line precept
03:25:36 upon precept is something that is done
03:25:38 when people keep Torah not something
03:25:41 that can just come and declare as in C
03:25:46 Alma 129 through 11 right well that’s an
03:25:50 interesting thing
03:25:53 um uh I’m gonna look up a scripture and
03:25:57 Isaiah here all right should I pause it
03:26:00 or do you think it’ll probably you
03:26:02 probably need to pause it
03:26:06 okay okay so that line in the verse
03:26:12 uh 21 talking about line upon line and
03:26:15 precept upon precept brought to mind a
03:26:19 scripture in
03:26:20 Isaiah which talks about line upon line
03:26:23 and precept upon precept um
03:26:27 and Which chapter it’s Isaiah
03:26:34 28 uh verses 9 through
03:26:38 13 now this I’m I would wait W or
03:26:41 anything this is a Kay asmus because the
03:26:44 line upon line precept precept upon
03:26:46 precept line upon line is in there
03:26:50 twice um so I would bet this is a
03:26:54 Kay
03:26:55 um right and then the middle one with
03:26:58 for slaming of lips and tongue and then
03:27:02 the next verse uh there rest whether it
03:27:04 cause worry to rest this is refreshing
03:27:07 so I can definitely see those going
03:27:09 together but anyways we’re not make
03:27:12 Whom Shall he teach knowledge starting
03:27:14 in verse
03:27:15 n Whom Shall he teach knowledge and Whom
03:27:18 Shall he make to understand Doctrine
03:27:20 them that are weaned from the milk and
03:27:22 drawn from the breasts in other words we
03:27:25 have to
03:27:27 have we have have we have to have dined
03:27:30 sufficiently on Torah and the
03:27:34 Commandments before we begin receiving
03:27:36 personal revelation right so milk is
03:27:40 symbolic
03:27:41 of Commandments okay for people who
03:27:44 don’t know um as in as Paul brings out
03:27:49 we need milk before meat milk is
03:27:52 Commandments meat is Mysteries okay and
03:27:56 I can get that from The Book of Mormon
03:27:57 to but we’re sidetracking a lot for
03:28:01 precept must be upon precept precept
03:28:04 upon precept line upon line line upon
03:28:06 line here a little there a little for
03:28:08 with stammering lips and another tongue
03:28:10 will he speak to his people to whom he
03:28:13 said this is the rest wherewith ye may
03:28:16 Ye Ye may cause the weary to rest and
03:28:18 this is the refreshing yet they would
03:28:20 not
03:28:21 hear but the word of the Lord was unto
03:28:24 them precept upon precept precept upon
03:28:28 precept line upon line line upon line
03:28:32 here a little and there a little that
03:28:34 they might go and fall backward and be
03:28:38 broken and snared
03:28:41 and
03:28:44 taken so that’s making that statement a
03:28:46 bad thing right yep on the one instance
03:28:50 it’s a good in the top it’s a good thing
03:28:52 at the bottom it’s a bad thing well but
03:28:55 what what makes it the bad thing that
03:28:57 they would not
03:28:59 [Music]
03:29:01 hear and therefore those precepts and
03:29:04 lines that they received were to their
03:29:07 own damnation because they would not
03:29:10 hear
03:29:13 right because they were not weaned from
03:29:17 they were not weaned from the
03:29:19 milk right so one thing as as wean from
03:29:22 the breast the
03:29:23 breast uh is connected to women despite
03:29:27 what culture may tell you today only
03:29:30 women’s breast produces
03:29:33 milk and women are symbolic of the
03:29:36 church and the church
03:29:38 is supposed to be keeping are keeping
03:29:42 and teaching yahweh’s Commandments AKA
03:29:45 Torah
03:29:48 right yep and so so this is this is the
03:29:53 act Isaiah actually gives us the full
03:29:56 understanding of precept upon precept
03:30:00 line upon line as both a blessing and a
03:30:03 curse
03:30:06 yeah okay so are you done with that
03:30:09 thought Ben yep okay so uh another
03:30:13 thought that I remembered here that I
03:30:14 don’t have here is but this verse
03:30:18 21 uh has
03:30:21 Illusions to a possible event that’s in
03:30:25 Daniel n now Daniel 7 oh yeah Daniel 7
03:30:30 Danel I have seven and I said nine silly
03:30:33 me um I I like Daniel nine more maybe
03:30:36 that’s why I think so I think that’s
03:30:39 quite quite a possibility Daniel 9’s
03:30:42 about yeshua’s atonement so I I maybe
03:30:45 I’m a little more partial of that but so
03:30:47 this verse
03:30:49 13 uh is there’s a revelation in the DNC
03:30:54 that talks about how this Ancient of
03:30:57 Days is Adam now uh the reason this is a
03:31:02 problem for some people is because of
03:31:05 this verse right here which kind of goes
03:31:07 along with the event that’s described in
03:31:11 verse
03:31:11 21 um but since we’re kind of here I
03:31:14 want to bring something positive out in
03:31:17 favor
03:31:18 of another DNC section where Adam is the
03:31:21 ancient of days so I saw an a night
03:31:24 vision and beheld one like the son of
03:31:28 man so this is where the problem comes
03:31:31 in is this word like here came with the
03:31:35 clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient
03:31:37 of Days so most Christianity he says
03:31:41 Ancient of Days is Yeshua where
03:31:45 restorationists say it’s Adam because of
03:31:48 Revelation uh that Yahweh gave us
03:31:51 through Joseph Smith and they brought
03:31:53 him near before him so the problem is
03:31:57 this like word now I got it up while
03:32:01 we’re looking so this is the
03:32:04 Interlinear for Daniel 7
03:32:09 okay now
03:32:11 they are omitting here with the the
03:32:14 glyphs that one was added but they’re
03:32:18 not being completely honest because the
03:32:20 word like is added also and we can see
03:32:23 that if we go look at the Hebrew
03:32:26 word
03:32:28 1247
03:32:30 okay which maybe Ben can oh bar
03:32:34 everybody knows that yeah pronoun
03:32:37 pronounced bar yeah right that one I can
03:32:40 say say that
03:32:42 one but the the the prefix was kear so
03:32:47 kear is
03:32:50 basically of sun basically K is of
03:32:55 uh so the the big thing I want to bring
03:32:58 out
03:33:00 here here they’re adding
03:33:03 like that is not here in the actual word
03:33:06 that is
03:33:08 translator bias there there is no
03:33:11 justification for that word like there
03:33:15 none
03:33:17 anywhere the son the son the son the son
03:33:22 behold the son of man cameth with the
03:33:24 clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient
03:33:27 of Days and they brought him near before
03:33:29 him and there was given him dominion and
03:33:32 glory and a kingdom that all people
03:33:34 Nations and languages should serve him
03:33:37 his Dominion is an everlasting Dominion
03:33:39 which shall not pass way and his kingdom
03:33:43 that which shall not be
03:33:45 destroyed yeah so I I know we’ve been
03:33:49 going over some negative things about
03:33:51 this section but uh this does bring out
03:33:55 a point because some of the Illusions
03:33:58 and whatnot that’s going on here does
03:34:00 bring up a positive point for the
03:34:04 Ancient of Days being Adam and we can
03:34:07 get this from looking at the Interlinear
03:34:10 of Hebrew and seeing that there’s no
03:34:14 justification for the word
03:34:16 like because that’s where the confusion
03:34:19 comes into to play but anyways all right
03:34:22 so I think we should go back to the
03:34:24 actual uh DNC 128
03:34:28 now yeah that’ be good because we’re
03:34:31 we’re almost done so we’ve done 21 we’re
03:34:34 on verse
03:34:36 22 uh Zach you want to read
03:34:39 22
03:34:44 shall we not go
03:34:45 on in so great A Cause go forward and
03:34:48 not backward courage Brethren and on
03:34:52 onto the victory let your hearts rejoice
03:34:55 and be exceedingly glad let the Earth
03:34:58 Break Forth into
03:35:00 seing Let the dead speak forth anthems
03:35:03 of Eternal praise to the king
03:35:06 Emmanuel who ha ordained before the
03:35:09 world was that which
03:35:11 would enable us to redeem them out of
03:35:13 their prison but the prisoners should go
03:35:18 free so
03:35:21 um just the note that I have on verse 23
03:35:25 oh wait that was 22 sorry is not to
03:35:29 mention line upon line oh wait a minute
03:35:31 we just that was 21 that was 21 sorry I
03:35:35 gotta I must be getting a little tired I
03:35:37 was reading the wrong line yeah well I
03:35:41 know I’m getting tired yeah yeah so and
03:35:43 we’ve gone over this already but I’ll
03:35:45 just read the comment but we don’t need
03:35:46 to go read the verses but um with verse
03:35:51 22 we contradicts that the dead will do
03:35:55 nothing according to Elma 40 not even
03:35:58 give praise which is what the Bible
03:36:01 teaches also right yep I think I shared
03:36:05 a meme about what the how the Bible
03:36:07 teaches
03:36:08 it uh do you have it handy you want to
03:36:11 sh share it
03:36:14 um I don’t know if it’s handy here I’ll
03:36:17 pause for a
03:36:20 minute okay so here’s the mean Ben was
03:36:23 talking about you want to talk about it
03:36:24 with us real quick Ben okay so this meme
03:36:28 it talks about what the Bible has to say
03:36:31 about those who are
03:36:34 dead this is what happens after
03:36:38 death as the Bible has revealed it after
03:36:43 death a person returns to dust according
03:36:45 to Psalms
03:36:47 10429 knows nothing according to
03:36:50 Ecclesiastes
03:36:52 995 possesses no mental Powers according
03:36:56 to Psalms
03:36:58 1464 has nothing to do with anything on
03:37:01 Earth Ecclesiastes 996 well wait a
03:37:05 minute but I know people claim that
03:37:08 their dead family came to visit them
03:37:10 oh that was a demon thank you thank you
03:37:12 for oh okay very good all
03:37:18 right does not
03:37:20 live Second Kings
03:37:23 21 waits in the grave job 13 17713 but
03:37:29 don’t they get out of the Grave nope
03:37:31 they wait in the grave oh boy and
03:37:34 continues not job 144
03:37:39 1-2 right so I I mean here Book of
03:37:42 Mormon and bible teach the same thing on
03:37:44 this subject right it’s yeah they walk
03:37:47 hand in hand here it’s clar’s day for
03:37:50 those who have ears to hear and eyes to
03:37:53 see right well yeah and who
03:37:57 aren’t playing hacking slash with
03:38:02 scriptures yeah yeah the same thing as
03:38:05 in Elma 40 just said slightly different
03:38:08 way but teaches the same thing what
03:38:10 surprise right
03:38:13 yeah um so I’ll read
03:38:16 23 let the mountains shout for Joy I’m
03:38:19 shouting for joy that we’re almost done
03:38:22 hell flip and louah moving on oh this
03:38:25 was rough but anyways and ye and all ye
03:38:29 valleys cry aloud and ye all ye seas and
03:38:32 dry land tell the wonders of your
03:38:35 Eternal King and ye rivers and Brooks
03:38:39 and real
03:38:41 SS huh
03:38:44 reals okay flow down with gladness let
03:38:48 the woods and the Trees of the field
03:38:51 praise Yahweh and ye solid rocks Weep
03:38:55 For Joy and let the sun moon and the
03:38:58 morning stars sing
03:39:00 together okay so I didn’t catch this
03:39:03 before but morning stars have to do with
03:39:06 Satan and demons so anyways and let all
03:39:10 the sons of Elohim shout for joy and let
03:39:13 the Eternal Creations declare his name
03:39:16 forever and ever and again I say how
03:39:19 glorious is the voice we hear from
03:39:21 heaven proclaiming in our ears glory and
03:39:24 salvation honor and inmortality in
03:39:27 eternal life kingdoms principalities and
03:39:30 Powers so first of all no substance no
03:39:34 expounding no explaining and honestly
03:39:37 this looks like a whole bunch of pra it
03:39:41 looks like a whole bunch of Praise
03:39:42 phrases from different places just kind
03:39:44 of glued thrown together into one little
03:39:46 thing here right and and one thing that
03:39:49 I noticed this time I didn’t notice
03:39:50 before morning stars that has to do with
03:39:53 Satan and demons and in Revelations it
03:39:57 says Morning Star is Yeshua that’s a bad
03:40:00 translation Andre gets rid of that yep
03:40:05 principalities that’s talking about
03:40:08 demons oh okay uh well that goes with
03:40:11 morning Stars so I’m not surprised about
03:40:14 that um so for the for the reason for
03:40:18 for this reason I say Joseph Smith did
03:40:20 not P
03:40:23 this right but in here I I here’s my
03:40:26 little note Emma 30 brings out all
03:40:28 things not there is a God but this is
03:40:32 more of prep talk than teaching anything
03:40:35 you know fluff encouragement to do what
03:40:39 this supposed letter is teaching which
03:40:41 is a heresy there’s there’s no substance
03:40:43 in this it’s
03:40:44 pointless yeah it’s uh what what is the
03:40:48 what is the word that I use what is the
03:40:49 word that I use for that rubbish and
03:40:51 yeah yeah yeah uh I I will uh
03:40:56 agree with that in this case uh Zach
03:40:59 will you read
03:41:03 24 the day the great day of the Lord is
03:41:06 at hand and who can abide the day of his
03:41:09 coming
03:41:10 Lucas 10 when he appear for he is like a
03:41:14 Refiner’s Fire and like father’s soap
03:41:19 and he shall sit as a refiner and
03:41:21 purifier of
03:41:22 silver and he shall purify the sons of
03:41:25 Levi purge them as gold and silver that
03:41:29 they may offer unto the Lord an offering
03:41:31 in
03:41:32 righteousness let us therefore as a
03:41:34 church and the people and as lday Saints
03:41:37 offer unto the Lord an offering and
03:41:39 righteous
03:41:41 let is present in his holy Temple when
03:41:44 it is finished a book
03:41:46 containing the records of the Dead which
03:41:49 shall be worthy of all of all AC all
03:41:53 acceptation so uh here is trying to make
03:41:57 Malachi 3 about baptisms for the dead
03:42:00 but Malachi 3 is actually about the
03:42:03 Levites doing animal sacrifice again and
03:42:06 there’s lots of quotes from Joseph Smith
03:42:09 that teach that
03:42:11 so um I think I have it
03:42:16 here
03:42:22 uh uh no actually it’s probably on this
03:42:25 one not law of Moses but this is where I
03:42:28 still trying to put everything together
03:42:31 correctly when I was figuring things out
03:42:38 um
03:42:41 okay so here’s a quote from Joseph Smith
03:42:45 one quote here’s some more from Joseph
03:42:48 Smith about uh animal sacrifice coming
03:42:51 back I’m just
03:42:53 gonna I’m not going to read these we uh
03:42:55 you can come to me later here’s about
03:42:58 carnal which is law Moses that Joseph
03:43:01 Smith has here it is
03:43:06 here so anyways it’s in the jst
03:43:10 uh two places so it’s
03:43:14 there um it’s just it’s getting late
03:43:17 enough I’m not going to read that but I
03:43:19 do have some of them uh on my tour
03:43:22 Resource page that I will add to the
03:43:26 notes that people can go
03:43:29 see some on okay so uh
03:43:34 I my whole thing is if you present a
03:43:37 book if you present to the Lord a book
03:43:39 book containing the records of your dead
03:43:41 he will beat you he will beat it over
03:43:43 your head until I beat you over the head
03:43:45 with it until either your book the book
03:43:47 or your head
03:43:49 breaks uh yeah which is basically saying
03:43:53 he won’t accept it right and I agree
03:43:56 with that as in for many reasons we’ve
03:43:58 talked about earlier right
03:44:02 yeah so another thing uh in here
03:44:07 um I guess it has the word temple in
03:44:10 there I didn’t catch it this time but in
03:44:11 the notes I say uh the building is never
03:44:15 called temple in authentic sections in
03:44:18 fact as we just saw a picture of it was
03:44:19 the house not
03:44:23 house bom teaches against baptism of the
03:44:27 Dead yeah yeah and which we went some
03:44:29 over here and I’ll give a link to DNC
03:44:32 127 which we went over even more on Ben
03:44:36 you want to read the last verse not
03:44:39 really but I’ll go but Le let’s finish
03:44:40 this thing off
03:44:42 okay Brethren I have many things to say
03:44:45 to you on this subject but they will
03:44:47 never but you’ll never read another word
03:44:50 but how but shall now close for the
03:44:52 present continue the subject another
03:44:54 time such as never I am as ever your
03:44:57 humble servant and never deviating
03:44:59 friend or was that never deviating
03:45:03 deceptive right so just the main thing
03:45:06 I’m going to bring out here as Ben did
03:45:08 what he was reading it where are these
03:45:10 other supposed letters that Joel Smith
03:45:12 was going to give us more on this
03:45:14 subject right he was still
03:45:16 alive what was it around another two
03:45:20 years after this and we got nothing
03:45:27 more uh sorry if this was so important
03:45:30 as this Revelation or this letter
03:45:34 supposedly makes it out to
03:45:36 be why did we get not more on it right
03:45:39 and the whole thing is well you know and
03:45:42 that that whole thing about baptisms for
03:45:45 the
03:45:46 Dead uh being the uh not being a thing
03:45:52 does definitely call 12 section 124 into
03:45:56 question yes there’s other things in 124
03:46:00 that calls it into question also but
03:46:03 that is such as trying to excuse the
03:46:05 Saints for trying to oh yeah the lord
03:46:08 gave us a commandment we’re not going to
03:46:11 but you know we were it was too hard for
03:46:13 us so the Lord’s just going to give us a
03:46:14 free pass right well if you do believe
03:46:19 dc24 is
03:46:21 authentic um there’s a problem why
03:46:24 didn’t the Saints stay and finish the
03:46:27 so-called Temple and get his protection
03:46:31 right do they don’t believe the promises
03:46:33 of
03:46:35 Yahweh uh on top of that it also brings
03:46:38 out how
03:46:40 and now I believe this is because they
03:46:42 knew how it was supposed to be done in
03:46:43 the past and they have forgotten since
03:46:46 but in there Yahweh presents supposedly
03:46:50 presents a name of someone to be voted
03:46:54 in to um into a leadership position
03:46:59 where
03:47:00 today that’s not how it
03:47:03 happens right right supposedly they just
03:47:06 get it and then you sustain rather than
03:47:08 vote in
03:47:11 um as we looked at voting uh passages
03:47:14 earlier DNC 124 has that also so there’s
03:47:19 I don’t believe 124 is authentic but if
03:47:22 you
03:47:23 do uh there’s some issues you have to
03:47:25 wrestle with well but and if you don’t
03:47:29 and when you
03:47:30 don’t then you have to wrestle with then
03:47:33 you have to figure out when exactly the
03:47:36 uh when exactly the church fell
03:47:40 From Grace because a lot of the sections
03:47:43 which uh which are commonly used to
03:47:47 dictate the to show the timeline are in
03:47:51 sections that are not authentic right so
03:47:54 the ones that so I I believe there was
03:47:57 one thing in 121 I 121 is fine anyways I
03:48:00 don’t always keep this up to date but 77
03:48:03 has problems I don’t believe 108 109 110
03:48:07 111 113 123 124 126 127 128
03:48:13 1293 131 132 obviously 135 136 and 138
03:48:20 so this one uh we can get rid of but
03:48:24 anyways um I don’t have notes on all of
03:48:26 them but I do
03:48:28 hope uh even if you don’t agree with
03:48:31 everything that we talked about
03:48:34 today you can
03:48:36 see there are at least some doozies
03:48:40 where it contradicts jsts and things
03:48:43 that Moroni stated right and DNC that
03:48:49 hopefully you will
03:48:53 reconsider uh thinking that DNC 128 is
03:48:57 authentic right and if I treated this
03:49:00 thing and if I treated this section A
03:49:02 little
03:49:03 irreverently is because to me there are
03:49:05 things in there that are obviously that
03:49:08 if you’ve got your critical thinking cap
03:49:11 on it
03:49:12 all just don’t pass the sniff
03:49:17 test
03:49:19 yeah uh you know and
03:49:23 uh so uh I may that I may not say things
03:49:28 in ways that people like or they’re
03:49:30 always uh the smoothest or the most soci
03:49:33 accept but the point remains this
03:49:37 section is a extremely
03:49:41 suspect to well I I I’ll just call it a
03:49:44 fraud
03:49:46 personally yeah um it’s from Brigham
03:49:50 Young and his cohorts um trying there’s
03:49:55 a lot there’s a lot of references to
03:49:57 occult things in here there’s just
03:50:01 yeah y necr straight references to
03:50:05 necromancy yeah it does um but I think
03:50:08 with that Let’s uh call it a
03:50:12 night well I just well that’s a good I
03:50:16 just uh want to say thank you for uh
03:50:19 thank you for watching thank you for
03:50:22 uh thank you for checking and thank you
03:50:25 for checking on uh checking in on the
03:50:27 truth of anything that he said here uh
03:50:31 be
03:50:33 Brian right acts 17 be a Brian all right