Scripture Study 2025-12-20 Sabbaths & Tabernacled

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Going over New Moon Day and Weekly Sabbath in Isaiah 66 during the Millennium and Eternity. The Polar Configuration will return and create an ideal environment for life. The Mighty and Strong One is going to restore the Polar Configuration. Your name, or character or spirit or behavior, will remain. The atonement of Yeshua is needed for us to become like Him. Becoming has implications of figuring things out and doing them not following a pre-determined script. YHWH figured out how to get all the pieces to fit together and give everyone what they wanted. Love is coming to take care of the problems yourself which is what is going on with Modalism. Book of Mormon teaches against Multiple Mortal Probations which is another phrase for reincarnation. We are saved only by the righteousness of Yeshua, after that we are rewarded for our works according to His Torah. Torah teaches us how to become like Yeshua. Intelligences, souls and spirits are different words for the same thing as shown in Abraham and the Book of Mormon. Studies are to help people with their questions not to make someone look smart. We are our soul not our physical body. The soul has always existed. We need a physical body to become, because we are not intelligent as Yeshua to figure it out without one. When we were born physically our souls were “adults”, yet how is the “adult” spirit of a child in the same space as it’s mother. Our sins affect other people. Genesis 2:7 is about taking us out of Satan’s domain and giving us Torah so we can have eternal life. Scriptures use soul and spirit interchangeably with regards to the resurrection. You can’t worship the nano second when the new moon actually happens, we are to worship on new moon day. The only ones who take new moon day seriously are Lunar Sabbatarians. Time of worship is from sunrise to sunset as we get from the history of the qual. Which is also why YHWH could have the mix multitude move in the evenings of sabbath days. Zechariah 14 tells us Tabernacles, a Yearly Sabbath, needs to be celebrated during the Millennium. Punishments are consequences of breaking Torah aka sinning. The joining of soul and body is termed tabernacled. It is important to only eat what YHWH considers food, aka keep Kosher law, to pattern after what is in heaven and the tabernacle being symbolic of our physical bodies. We go from tabernacle of cloth for morality, and tabernacle of stone for the resurrection. The resurrected body will be a perfected body looking like the immortal body. Marriage is symbolic of being sanctified. Engagement is symbolic of being justified. This is an example of seeing us being inspired in the moment to a question that was brought up. YHWH uses those who cares to help others. We conduct the meetings by Moroni 6:9 and go by what is needed, not what was planned years in advanced. Orson Pratt did not always follow the chapters on the gold plates with the chapters and verses he created.

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00:00:02 Okay. So, today, uh, Josh asked us to go
00:00:06 over some of Isaiah 66, specifically of
00:00:10 the Sabbath,
00:00:12 um, which is considering today’s uh, new
00:00:16 moon Sabbath. It is kind of
00:00:21 what’s the word I
00:00:22 >> Good timing.
00:00:23 >> Yeah, it’s good timing. It’s fitting.
00:00:28 >> I don’t know that word. your dictionary.
00:00:30 >> It’s the right word. Trust me, it’s the
00:00:32 right word, Stephen.
00:00:32 >> Okay, I’ll believe you.
00:00:34 >> Appropriate.
00:00:36 >> It’s appropriate.
00:00:38 >> It’s appropriate.
00:00:39 >> So, I you know, we we we’re going to
00:00:43 focus on Isaiah 66:22
00:00:47 and 23. Um I there’s a lot of good stuff
00:00:52 in the rest of the chapter, okay? Um
00:00:56 >> it’s just we don’t have time today
00:00:58 because Um,
00:01:00 >> we got started late. Yeah.
00:01:01 >> Yeah, it started later and we’re talking
00:01:03 about various other things which if you
00:01:06 want to know everything, come. If you
00:01:09 only want part of it, go to the listen
00:01:11 to the recordings after. Okay.
00:01:13 >> Um,
00:01:15 there’s good in both. Okay. So,
00:01:17 >> absolutely, absolutely.
00:01:20 >> Um,
00:01:21 if nothing else, you can find out what a
00:01:23 goofball.
00:01:27 Anyways, okay. So, we’re going to start
00:01:29 with verse 22. And the reason I want to
00:01:32 start with verse 22 because it gives
00:01:36 context and timing of when 23 is. Okay.
00:01:42 >> Okay. Okay. All right.
00:01:43 >> So, Josh, you want to read 22 since
00:01:46 you’re the one that asked us to
00:01:48 >> Yeah, I’ll be happy to. Um, for as the
00:01:51 new heavens and the new earth which I
00:01:54 >> Wait, wait, wait. I
00:01:57 when is that?
00:01:59 >> Um, not now.
00:02:02 >> Okay, fair question.
00:02:04 >> I was looking for something a little
00:02:06 more specific.
00:02:08 >> If you asked if you read the imagery,
00:02:12 >> can I So, it’s not Go ahead.
00:02:14 >> to a future event. And that’s what I was
00:02:17 getting at with with If
00:02:19 >> I wasn’t I wasn’t trying to be a smart
00:02:21 butt. I was
00:02:22 >> Oh, no. I I was looking for something.
00:02:23 You were correct. I was looking for
00:02:25 something a little more specific,
00:02:27 >> right? So, it’s referring to a future
00:02:29 event.
00:02:30 >> Okay, go. Go. Ben wants to Ben wants to
00:02:32 talk.
00:02:33 >> Oh, there’s two raised hands here,
00:02:34 actually.
00:02:37 >> Okay, so
00:02:40 if you look earlier in the chapter, in
00:02:43 the first verse, it shows imagery
00:02:46 defining this new heaven and new earth.
00:02:49 >> Okay. Well, go ahead. I have it up
00:02:51 there. Read it. It talks.
00:02:54 >> Yeah. Okay.
00:02:54 >> Let’s read it. So, let’s read it.
00:02:57 >> Thus, thus saith Yah, the heaven is my
00:03:01 throne
00:03:03 and the earth is my foottool. This is
00:03:06 the imagery of the polar configuration.
00:03:08 The new heavens and the new earth is
00:03:10 brought about when Venus, Mars, and
00:03:14 Saturn come into alignment on the
00:03:16 earth’s north pole creating and uh
00:03:19 creating a creating a an ideal
00:03:24 environment as uh
00:03:26 >> for life for life
00:03:28 >> and the uh and the uh and the and this
00:03:32 is the new heaven and the new earth. Um
00:03:35 when
00:03:37 was
00:03:38 Uh we talked about this last week and
00:03:41 I’ll add a link to that. Sorry to
00:03:42 interrupt, Ben.
00:03:45 >> Yep. Yep. Oh, absolutely. So when uh
00:03:48 when the the earth was act
00:03:52 the earth was actually separated when
00:03:56 the earth was actually separated when
00:03:58 the polar configuration was messed up
00:04:01 and that began with
00:04:05 the fall and continued through the flood
00:04:09 and was on and and has been ongoing
00:04:12 until for the last um until for for the
00:04:16 last 2,000 years, for the last 4,000
00:04:19 years or so, it’s been very much a uh
00:04:23 a non-factor in our lives.
00:04:26 Yes. Which goes along with uh Peter
00:04:30 or was it No, it was Peter in the New
00:04:32 Testament talking about how their
00:04:35 ignorant the ignorant wise men uh will
00:04:38 forget purposely of this history. Right.
00:04:43 >> Oh, right, right, right. Okay,
00:04:46 >> I forget the exact wording,
00:04:48 >> but that’s and I I we could I don’t know
00:04:51 if I want to take time to find it,
00:04:53 >> but I think that’s I think that’s enough
00:04:55 on that for now. Yeah,
00:04:57 >> but this is talk but that’s what this is
00:05:00 talking about. This the time it’s
00:05:02 talking about this is what is going to
00:05:04 be happening during this time when the
00:05:06 new heaven and the new earth has been
00:05:08 brought into place.
00:05:09 >> Yeah. and and um
00:05:11 >> there’s is Pleg if I remember correctly
00:05:14 he was named in the days of the
00:05:16 separation of the earth okay now on the
00:05:19 surface level that is when
00:05:23 >> the men became wicked and separated
00:05:27 themselves into groups okay but on the
00:05:30 deeper level that is
00:05:32 around the time when the polar
00:05:34 configuration com
00:05:37 this is a difficult thing to say But for
00:05:39 the most part completely fell apart.
00:05:42 Okay.
00:05:44 >> Which which affected everything. Right.
00:05:47 >> Yeah.
00:05:49 And uh you’ll see the ages around then
00:05:52 fell drastically
00:05:55 >> which goes along with what Ben stated
00:05:57 and we talked about last week I believe
00:05:59 it was how the polar configuration
00:06:01 creates the electrical environment.
00:06:04 >> Oh yeah. Johnny Johnny’s question. Yeah.
00:06:06 Yeah. Um, the environment of Earth more
00:06:12 >> prolonging life for humans and
00:06:14 >> more palatable for life. Right. Okay.
00:06:16 >> Okay. So, go ahead.
00:06:17 >> Let’s scroll back down to verse 22 then.
00:06:20 >> Oh, wait. Did John want to say
00:06:21 something?
00:06:22 >> Oh, sorry.
00:06:23 >> No, I was raising my hand in beha for in
00:06:26 behalf of Ben.
00:06:27 >> I’m done.
00:06:28 >> No, I He was asking why I raised my
00:06:30 hand.
00:06:31 >> Oh. Oh. Oh,
00:06:32 >> I I think you used to be a Bergamite.
00:06:37 He’s just raising it because uh anyway,
00:06:39 >> well, he raised it for in behalf of Ben.
00:06:41 I know where that phrase is from.
00:06:43 >> Oh gosh. Oh jeez. Okay. Anyways,
00:06:48 >> okay. So, we finished the uh up to the
00:06:52 first. The new heavens and the new earth
00:06:57 which I will make. So, referring to
00:07:00 future events.
00:07:01 >> Yeah. No. Who’s this?
00:07:02 >> Which I will make. referring to bringing
00:07:04 everything back online. I I presume.
00:07:08 >> Yes. Um so who’s the I
00:07:10 >> who is the
00:07:12 >> IA.
00:07:15 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I just want to make
00:07:16 sure it’s clear here for people.
00:07:18 >> Which I will make.
00:07:21 >> Now he will do it through somebody else
00:07:24 though. Okay.
00:07:25 >> Right.
00:07:26 >> His power, his plan.
00:07:28 >> We are his instruments.
00:07:31 >> Correct. Correct. So who right the
00:07:34 person who is called to be the mighty
00:07:36 and strong one is going to do this.
00:07:38 >> Uh yes
00:07:40 >> whoever whoever that is. Um so shall
00:07:44 remain before me saith Yahwa.
00:07:48 >> Okay. So what what that mean?
00:07:50 >> Wait shall wait wait wait wait wait. For
00:07:53 is the new heavens and new earth which I
00:07:54 will make shall remain before me.
00:07:59 Uh
00:08:00 >> it’ll never go away.
00:08:02 Huh?
00:08:03 >> Yeah.
00:08:04 >> It’s talking the new heaven and earth
00:08:06 shall never go away.
00:08:08 >> Shall remain before me. So it’s it’s
00:08:10 eternal. It will never go away.
00:08:12 >> Yeah.
00:08:12 >> Yeah.
00:08:13 >> Okay, that makes sense. Uh shall remain
00:08:15 before me, saith Yahweh. So shall your
00:08:19 seed and your name remain. Now he’s
00:08:23 talking to whom here?
00:08:28 >> But the righteous. There’s a lot going
00:08:29 on in this chapter, right? He’s talking
00:08:33 righteous. So the seed are children or
00:08:36 followers.
00:08:36 >> Followers, right? Yep. I get it.
00:08:39 >> And name is character.
00:08:43 >> Yes.
00:08:44 >> So your name So your
00:08:48 >> followers shall remain
00:08:49 >> and your character shall remain.
00:08:51 >> Yeah. Now that goes along with is it
00:08:55 I think it’s Alma 42. It brings out how
00:08:58 um the I’m going to say it’s different
00:09:01 word behavior but which it’s spirit but
00:09:05 spirit means behavior is the same
00:09:07 behavior that you have when you
00:09:09 resurrect. Behavior and character is two
00:09:12 different words.
00:09:13 >> Wait wait wait wait wait wait.
00:09:15 So is this last line of this verse
00:09:19 referring to the resurrection?
00:09:22 Uh, it’s referring to the millennium,
00:09:26 >> the remaining. Yeah.
00:09:27 >> So, okay. Now, that brings up another
00:09:30 question.
00:09:30 >> Well, millennium and beyond. So, sorry.
00:09:32 I said the it’s eternity. It’s the
00:09:35 beyond.
00:09:36 >> Okay. That’s that’s that’s fun.
00:09:38 >> Right here. This first part right here
00:09:40 is millennium.
00:09:41 >> Uhhuh.
00:09:42 >> Yes.
00:09:42 >> This is eternity,
00:09:45 >> right?
00:09:46 >> And then eternity.
00:09:50 >> Okay. Okay. All right. Okay.
00:09:52 >> So, it’s millennium forward.
00:09:55 >> Millennium forward. Okay.
00:09:57 >> So, that includes the resurrection,
00:10:00 first resurrection, second resurrection,
00:10:02 the whole nine yards. Okay.
00:10:04 >> Yeah. Well, and then also it brings out
00:10:05 how your character stays the same.
00:10:08 >> Yeah. Well, I and that makes sense with
00:10:10 what’s said in the Book of Mormon
00:10:12 because in the Book of Mormon, it states
00:10:13 that whatever spirit possesses your body
00:10:16 when you pass will have power to possess
00:10:18 your body when you’re resurrected.
00:10:21 >> Yeah. So, I’m going to pause. Let’s go
00:10:22 find
00:10:24 >> And also, there’s this.
00:10:26 >> Yeah. Go ahead, Stephen. Pause.
00:10:28 >> Oh, wait. Ben’s talking. I’ll do it
00:10:29 after Ben.
00:10:30 >> Okay. Yeah. In Hebrew thought,
00:10:34 the uh
00:10:36 in Greek thought, our character just
00:10:40 kind of is and we’re kind of defining
00:10:43 it. We’re kind of revealing it through
00:10:46 we’re kind of revealing it uh as we act.
00:10:50 In Hebrew
00:10:52 thought, our actions reveal who our what
00:10:55 our character was all along. This is
00:10:58 what and this is actually God. This is
00:11:00 actually Yahoo’s thought as well because
00:11:03 and you can read that you can find that
00:11:07 in the statement you know in statements
00:11:11 in the scriptures which talk about if a
00:11:13 man does if a man does good but turns to
00:11:16 evil his good is not remembered.
00:11:20 >> Right. Okay. Right. Right. Right. Right.
00:11:23 It it goes along with the with the very
00:11:25 very earthly gnostic statement of um one
00:11:29 one horrible mistake wipes out all the
00:11:32 attabo wipes out all of the attabo.
00:11:35 >> Right.
00:11:37 >> Well, the thing is is that the charact
00:11:40 our action our choices throughout our
00:11:42 lives
00:11:43 >> our choices throughout our lives reveal
00:11:47 who we were before we came here.
00:11:52 Right. Right. Yes.
00:11:55 >> We need that to a certain point. We need
00:11:56 to remember
00:11:59 we are becoming now. In fact, on top of
00:12:02 that, uh, Alma 13
00:12:04 >> and
00:12:04 >> bring Wait a minute. Let me finish.
00:12:06 Brings up for knowledge
00:12:08 >> showing that we
00:12:10 >> Yeah.
00:12:10 >> can change.
00:12:12 >> Yes.
00:12:13 >> And that’s okay.
00:12:15 >> Alma 13 fornowledge. It’s about what we
00:12:18 will become, not necessarily what we
00:12:20 were before.
00:12:22 >> Now, I I I do believe in um who we were
00:12:26 before
00:12:28 will help feed into what we will become,
00:12:31 but it’s not an absolute because of the
00:12:34 atonement.
00:12:34 >> Thank you. Thank you. Okay. You you you
00:12:37 said it better than I could have,
00:12:38 Stephen, but I was I was going to say
00:12:40 something along those lines, but yes.
00:12:42 >> Okay.
00:12:43 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:45 Well, I I
00:12:46 >> said it. You said it. You said it better
00:12:48 than me, which
00:12:50 >> Oh, I’m a software engineer. I I I I’m
00:12:53 paid to figure out to put all the pieces
00:12:55 together. So,
00:12:57 >> no, but I was going to say something
00:12:58 along the same lines is that Yes. Well,
00:13:01 the the things from who we were do
00:13:04 influence what we can become. That’s not
00:13:07 an absolute.
00:13:08 >> Yes. And it’s not absolute because of
00:13:10 the atonement. Right.
00:13:11 >> Correct. Correct. Because of the
00:13:13 atonement. Yes.
00:13:14 >> Well, and also because we also have
00:13:17 agency because if you were called this
00:13:19 like if you were strong before but then
00:13:21 you ultimately end up making poor
00:13:23 decisions.
00:13:24 >> Yeah.
00:13:26 >> Both ways.
00:13:27 >> And this agency we’re
00:13:33 we’re not just living out a script that
00:13:35 Yahweh gave us. Okay.
00:13:36 >> No.
00:13:37 >> Because that would take away agency. In
00:13:40 addition, that would take away from
00:13:42 becoming
00:13:44 becoming um there is an implications of
00:13:49 figuring out and then doing what you
00:13:52 figured out and want
00:13:54 >> right
00:13:54 >> because right
00:13:56 >> because as I recall
00:13:59 didn’t Satan have his agency and he was
00:14:01 one of the chief
00:14:04 >> s everyone every every
00:14:07 entity has always had their agency.
00:14:10 >> Yeah. Yeah. He he was a son in the
00:14:12 morning, which is a phrase going along
00:14:14 with one of the chiefs. Um
00:14:16 >> y
00:14:17 >> he was also a liar from the beginning.
00:14:19 So Yahweh
00:14:21 always
00:14:22 >> Yahweh knew who he was.
00:14:24 >> But yep,
00:14:27 this gets into
00:14:28 >> So what you see,
00:14:30 >> go ahead, Ben.
00:14:31 >> Give me
00:14:32 >> So what you see is actually a really
00:14:34 delicate interplay
00:14:37 accomplished by the atonement. Without
00:14:40 the atonement, there is really
00:14:43 there’s a very limited amount
00:14:46 that uh
00:14:49 any group that that it that we can
00:14:51 become.
00:14:52 >> Yes.
00:14:52 >> Without the atonement.
00:14:53 >> Without the atonement, there is no
00:14:55 becoming.
00:14:58 >> Well, there is one becoming, but it’s
00:15:00 becoming a son of predition.
00:15:05 Okay.
00:15:08 Your your your your fate is sealed.
00:15:11 >> Well, second Nephi brings out without
00:15:14 the atonement will become sons of
00:15:16 preditions be
00:15:18 >> because without that
00:15:20 >> sto it it will get to us too much and we
00:15:23 could go look at actual verse but we’re
00:15:25 sidetracking a lot more but
00:15:27 >> it’s the wrong becoming for sure. Right.
00:15:31 Right. There there there is always a
00:15:33 becoming.
00:15:34 >> There is always a becoming.
00:15:36 >> Yeah. It’s just which direction.
00:15:38 >> It’s just which which direction do you
00:15:41 choose to become?
00:15:43 >> Yeah. Yeah. So
00:15:47 the atonement is a very integral
00:15:50 >> piece to this puzzle that Yahweh figured
00:15:53 out. Okay.
00:15:55 >> Right. And
00:16:00 it’s a masterful plan. He
00:16:03 >> Yes.
00:16:04 >> He figured out how to put all the
00:16:07 requirements together and make it to
00:16:10 where everybody did what they wanted and
00:16:12 get what they want.
00:16:15 Um
00:16:15 >> like like like like how where else can
00:16:19 you see justice and mercy
00:16:23 play out together? so perfectly
00:16:28 >> like
00:16:30 >> nowhere
00:16:30 >> like like there is nothing but love in
00:16:34 this plan. Nothing but love.
00:16:37 >> Yeah. And and on this um
00:16:42 the fact that that’s love, it brings out
00:16:44 modalism because love is taking care of
00:16:47 it yourself.
00:16:49 Vengeful is sending somebody else to do
00:16:52 it.
00:16:52 >> Amen. Amen. And amen.
00:16:56 >> Um,
00:16:57 and I know that could be hard for a lot
00:16:59 of people to hear, but
00:17:03 yeah,
00:17:05 >> like like I don’t see any any other way
00:17:08 to to see it and still have mercy and
00:17:11 justice play out as masterfully as they
00:17:14 do.
00:17:15 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:17 There’s just no other way to look at it
00:17:18 and have it make sense
00:17:20 >> because it would be
00:17:21 >> all of this all of this to come back to
00:17:24 this new heaven and new earth which he
00:17:26 is putting in place.
00:17:27 >> Okay, thank you.
00:17:29 >> Let’s go back to that. We sidetracked a
00:17:31 bit.
00:17:32 >> Yeah. All of this to to get back to the
00:17:34 new heaven and the new earth which is a
00:17:36 reward for those of us who for those a
00:17:39 reward for those turning to for people
00:17:42 turning to righteousness.
00:17:43 >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Uh okay. So,
00:17:46 do you want to do you want to pause for
00:17:48 a minute to find the verse?
00:17:49 >> Oh, yeah. We can find that one verse.
00:17:51 So, yeah, I need to pause because I was
00:17:52 having a hard time finding the actual
00:17:54 one.
00:17:58 Okay. Uh, so we found the verse. It was
00:18:01 a scripture and I will read.
00:18:04 >> Well, we actually just I was off.
00:18:09 John remembered where it was. I did not.
00:18:13 Oh,
00:18:14 >> it’s all good.
00:18:14 >> That’s fine. I’m not worried about it.
00:18:16 >> Let’s get into the meat. Let’s get into
00:18:18 the meat.
00:18:19 >> Absolutely. And now, as I said unto you
00:18:21 before, as ye have had so many
00:18:24 witnesses. Therefore, I beseech of you
00:18:27 that you do not procrastinate the day of
00:18:29 your repentance. Oh, procrastinate.
00:18:32 That’s a good word. Good big word.
00:18:34 >> Yeah, don’t do that.
00:18:35 >> Don’t ever do that.
00:18:38 Uh, anyway, that means to put off.
00:18:40 >> It’s also a bad plan.
00:18:42 >> Yeah. I had a very bad plan. Uh
00:18:44 procrastinate the day of your
00:18:45 repentance.
00:18:46 >> I just uh if you want your problems to
00:18:49 get bigger.
00:18:50 >> Oh, you that’s what you do.
00:18:52 >> Just just sit on them for just sit on
00:18:54 them for a while. They’ll they’ll
00:18:55 they’ll get bigger for you.
00:18:56 >> They’ll magnify. They’ll magnify them
00:18:59 back.
00:18:59 >> Oh, they will.
00:19:01 >> They will.
00:19:02 >> As as you were as you were reading,
00:19:04 John,
00:19:05 that you do not procrastinate the day of
00:19:08 your repentance until the end.
00:19:10 >> Okay. What’s the end?
00:19:13 >> It’s going to tell us. But what is the
00:19:14 end?
00:19:14 >> End of mortality.
00:19:16 >> Yeah. After the day of this life,
00:19:18 mortality
00:19:19 >> when you die.
00:19:20 >> That’s right.
00:19:21 >> That’s physical death.
00:19:23 >> Yes.
00:19:24 >> And by the way, man is born once to die.
00:19:26 Anyway, move on.
00:19:27 >> Anyway, we’ll get to that. We’ll get to
00:19:30 that. For after this day of life, which
00:19:33 is given us to prepare for eternity, cuz
00:19:37 it’s part of the plan.
00:19:39 >> Oh, wait, wait a minute. So Ben’s
00:19:40 statement that we’re born once prepare
00:19:44 for the day of this for after the day of
00:19:47 this life mortality this one birth to
00:19:51 prepare for a time of eternity. What?
00:19:54 Okay. So
00:19:55 >> that means forever.
00:20:02 >> I figured I I
00:20:04 just put that word out there.
00:20:07 >> Yeah. So I’m just gonna be blunt. This
00:20:08 goes against uh mortal probations which
00:20:12 is just a another name for
00:20:14 reincarnation.
00:20:15 >> Yeah. Multiple mortal probations.
00:20:18 >> Oh, I said name for
00:20:19 >> Yeah.
00:20:20 >> reinc reincarnation. Yep. For behold, if
00:20:24 we do not improve our time while in this
00:20:27 life,
00:20:29 then cometh the night of darkness,
00:20:32 wherein there can be no labor performed.
00:20:36 >> Okay? Because we’re dead. Because we’re
00:20:39 dead.
00:20:40 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, what are we approving
00:20:42 though?
00:20:45 >> Uh,
00:20:45 >> well, if we do not improve time while in
00:20:48 this life.
00:20:49 >> Yeah. Uh, oh, wait. We’re actually
00:20:52 repenting. We are becoming
00:20:55 >> Yeah. Yeah. As in going from the natural
00:20:57 man to a sanctified.
00:20:58 >> So, so wait. So, wait. Oh, this goes
00:21:01 back to the purpose of life, which is to
00:21:03 come under Yeshua’s covering.
00:21:05 >> Uhhuh.
00:21:05 >> Right. live his law and help others to
00:21:08 do the same.
00:21:09 >> Yeah.
00:21:09 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:11 >> Yes.
00:21:12 >> That’s that’s improvement of life on his
00:21:15 life.
00:21:16 >> Improve your life so you can know how to
00:21:18 improve other people’s life. And you
00:21:20 prove it by coming under Yeshua’s
00:21:22 covering and keeping his Torah.
00:21:24 >> Yeah. It’s not improve everybody else’s
00:21:26 life so that your life improves.
00:21:28 >> Yeah.
00:21:29 >> The night of darkness where no labor can
00:21:31 be performed is referring to physical
00:21:33 death.
00:21:34 >> Yeah. and that labor is keeping of
00:21:37 Torah. Uh you are rewarded for your
00:21:40 works. So
00:21:42 >> this gets into a controversy that
00:21:45 Christians and Jewish
00:21:48 >> uh generally speaking don’t understand
00:21:50 that we’re saved by the blood of the
00:21:53 lamb. Meaning we get into the kingdom
00:21:56 because of his righteousness. Okay.
00:21:59 >> Right. Period.
00:22:01 >> But after that
00:22:02 >> short end of that story, right? Yeah.
00:22:04 And but
00:22:06 uh the scriptures do talk about how
00:22:08 we’re rewarded for our works. And I’m
00:22:11 going to add Torah, our works according
00:22:13 to Torah.
00:22:14 >> Right.
00:22:14 >> Amen.
00:22:15 >> So the more that we become like Yeshua,
00:22:19 the more glory we get because the less
00:22:22 we are like Yeshua,
00:22:24 >> the less glory we get.
00:22:25 >> The less glory there is because he is
00:22:27 >> And it makes sense. It makes sense,
00:22:29 >> right? Yeah. So here’s the thing, right?
00:22:32 The more we become like Yeshua, the more
00:22:35 our desires are in line with
00:22:40 his desires
00:22:42 and the more we be like literally the
00:22:44 more we become like him, the more we
00:22:46 live the law, the more we become like
00:22:48 him. And that’s what this is referring
00:22:50 to. We’re literally becoming
00:22:54 like him and we get rewarded for that.
00:22:58 Now, to quote a scripture that I don’t
00:23:00 know the reference for uh to support
00:23:02 Josh,
00:23:04 we will see him because we will we will
00:23:07 recognize him because we will be like
00:23:09 him,
00:23:10 >> right?
00:23:10 >> That’s in I do believe that’s in Elma
00:23:13 chapter 5.
00:23:14 >> Okay. Well, we’re not going to do
00:23:15 another sidetrack on that one.
00:23:17 >> All right. Let’s do 34. Let’s do 34.
00:23:21 >> Let’s Let’s do 34 real quick.
00:23:23 >> Okay.
00:23:25 You cannot say when you are brought to
00:23:27 that awful crisis. What’s the crisis?
00:23:31 >> Uh death.
00:23:32 >> Mortal death. Mortal.
00:23:34 >> Oh yeah. Yeah. That’s right.
00:23:36 >> Okay. Now, now let’s let’s be real here
00:23:38 for a minute. For some that is an awful
00:23:41 crisis.
00:23:41 >> Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:23:43 >> Well, this is the some he’s talking to
00:23:45 that
00:23:46 >> for everyone. But for some it is an
00:23:49 awful crisis. Well, right. He’s talking
00:23:51 to that to the group that this is an
00:23:53 awful crisis, though,
00:23:55 >> right? Yeah.
00:23:56 >> He’s telling you can’t procrastinate.
00:23:58 He’s not telling that to the righteous.
00:24:00 >> You got to come under the covering of
00:24:02 Yeshua.
00:24:02 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:03 >> Yeah. This is This sermon is delivered
00:24:06 to the Zoromites.
00:24:08 >> Oh. Who were in a very bad place, by the
00:24:11 way.
00:24:11 >> Oh, yeah. They said their special prayer
00:24:13 at the podium saying, “We are the chosen
00:24:15 one.”
00:24:16 >> Where have I seen that before? Uh I I I
00:24:19 used to see it once a month.
00:24:22 >> I I used to my church
00:24:25 >> just just after my mission. I used to
00:24:27 see it once a week.
00:24:29 >> Oh
00:24:30 >> yeah.
00:24:31 >> No. For prayers for closing prayers.
00:24:36 >> Oh
00:24:36 >> no. Thank you God for making us a chosen
00:24:40 people.
00:24:41 >> Oh yeah. But no I’m talking about
00:24:45 the true order of prayer.
00:24:50 Okay. All right.
00:24:52 >> Once a week.
00:24:53 >> Yeah. Okay.
00:24:56 >> Okay.
00:24:57 >> That’s very different.
00:24:58 >> For anyone else who who who doesn’t
00:25:00 know, uh, just hit me up later. I’ll
00:25:03 talk with you about it.
00:25:04 >> I’ll say it’s the Brigham Temple temple
00:25:07 prayer.
00:25:07 >> It’s the temple prayer. Right.
00:25:10 >> Okay.
00:25:10 >> Right. I I meant when I said, “Where
00:25:14 have I seen this before?”
00:25:16 >> Okay. Anyways, moving on. Okay.
00:25:19 >> Ye cannot say when ye are brought to
00:25:21 that awful crisis which is the end of
00:25:23 life that I will repent.
00:25:27 >> And why not?
00:25:28 >> I will return to my
00:25:31 >> Why not though?
00:25:33 >> Because of the previous verse.
00:25:35 >> Cuz you’re dead.
00:25:37 >> Yeah. I mean you you have no more labor
00:25:41 to perform,
00:25:42 >> right? You’re dead. You’re rotting.
00:25:44 Yeah,
00:25:44 >> your body is literally rotting.
00:25:46 >> Your test is over.
00:25:48 >> Yes, you are de
00:25:50 >> and you wasted your time.
00:25:52 >> Now, I I don’t know why right now, but
00:25:55 it it is evident to me right now that we
00:26:00 need the physical body to
00:26:04 the and more specifically the mortal
00:26:07 physical body
00:26:08 >> to repent
00:26:09 >> to to repent to change.
00:26:11 >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, because because the
00:26:14 way I look at it is this. You need a
00:26:18 whole soul in order to come under
00:26:20 Yeshua’s covering, which is body and
00:26:23 intelligence or spirit. Right? Those two
00:26:26 things need to be working together in
00:26:29 concert to be able to accept
00:26:33 that covering.
00:26:35 >> I I agree with the concept.
00:26:36 >> Separate from the other cannot accept
00:26:38 it. A dead body is just that. It’s a
00:26:40 dead body,
00:26:42 >> right? So I agree with the concept. I
00:26:44 disagree with the term because soul and
00:26:47 spirit are used interchangeably.
00:26:49 Um
00:26:51 there is I will recognize and we don’t
00:26:54 need to get into this unless you want
00:26:55 to. There is a tricky verse in the DNC.
00:26:59 >> Okay.
00:27:00 >> Uh that makes it seem like that’s not
00:27:02 the case, but I I do know how to bring
00:27:07 >> my interest. Now you peaked my interest
00:27:09 and we have to look at it. But let’s
00:27:10 finish this first. Okay. All right. Um
00:27:13 cuz that that is another subject and it
00:27:17 it’s anyways soul and spirit are the
00:27:20 same
00:27:22 thing just different words and you can
00:27:25 see that throughout the Book of Mormon.
00:27:28 >> See now now that brings up a question
00:27:30 that I don’t understand.
00:27:32 >> Okay.
00:27:34 >> Could you please calm down?
00:27:35 >> I I I don’t understand. I just don’t
00:27:37 understand that concept. Right. So you
00:27:40 have a body. you have uh an intelligence
00:27:44 I guess.
00:27:46 >> So they are joined together at birth,
00:27:49 right? Or well even before birth they’re
00:27:51 joined together. You come out of your
00:27:54 mother’s womb and now those two things
00:27:58 are are are linked.
00:28:00 >> Yeah. So the book of Abraham chapter 3
00:28:05 and I can show you this if real quick if
00:28:07 you want. Uh and we can get into other
00:28:09 things.
00:28:09 >> Yeah. Can you? Because I that’s
00:28:11 something that for me is just I don’t
00:28:14 get it.
00:28:15 >> Well, yeah. And it’s because the
00:28:18 Bergamites have screwed up to try to um
00:28:23 mix together Brigham’s teachings and
00:28:25 Joseph Smith’s teachings. Okay. Uh
00:28:28 >> right. But even but even Okay. Well,
00:28:30 show me show me what you have. Maybe
00:28:34 that will clear up my question. But
00:28:36 >> yeah, I I’m getting there. And I’m I’m
00:28:39 going to go to something where I’ve
00:28:41 already done some work cuz I’m being a
00:28:43 little lazy.
00:28:44 >> See, Brandon, this is this is this is
00:28:46 how we do it. And if you ever have a
00:28:48 question like this, you need to speak up
00:28:49 and and because Stephen and Ben are are
00:28:53 very good at at they they know the
00:28:56 scriptures very well, both of you.
00:28:58 >> No, I will use works that I’ve done
00:29:00 before to try to help do things and and
00:29:03 hence here I am. But it is laid out
00:29:05 here. Okay. But yes,
00:29:08 Josh is making a good point. I care
00:29:11 about helping the people, not doing a
00:29:15 lesson to make it look like I’m smart.
00:29:17 Okay. Right.
00:29:18 >> I want to help with the questions that
00:29:20 are there.
00:29:21 >> So, but this is my question. I don’t
00:29:23 understand.
00:29:30 I guess maybe there is still some
00:29:34 bergamite traditions that I need to root
00:29:36 out of my mind.
00:29:37 >> That’s what’s going on. And so we’re
00:29:38 going to do that. And my favorite one
00:29:40 for this is Abraham 3:22 323. So
00:29:44 >> you want to read that kaism there? Okay.
00:29:48 >> Sure. Um now Yahweh had shown to me
00:29:51 Abraham the intelligences.
00:29:53 >> Okay. So he showed up. Oopsie. Sorry
00:29:56 about that.
00:29:56 >> Well, you did that on purpose. No, I
00:29:58 didn’t.
00:29:58 >> No, I did not.
00:30:01 Uh, so I I was trying to make it focus
00:30:03 intelligences. Okay.
00:30:05 >> Right.
00:30:06 >> Right now he’s calling this one group
00:30:09 intelligences. Okay.
00:30:11 >> Okay. So, there is some nebulous
00:30:16 intelligences that were out there
00:30:18 somewhere. Okay.
00:30:19 >> Okay. So, we’ll leave it at that for
00:30:20 now. It’ll get more crazy,
00:30:21 >> right? Okay. That were organized. See,
00:30:24 but now that we’re organized. See, and
00:30:26 that’s the part that’s confusing. So
00:30:28 that we’re organized before
00:30:29 >> organized. Let’s go look at organized.
00:30:31 Oh, look. I’m already ready. Let’s go
00:30:33 look at the definition.
00:30:35 >> Go read the definition. Organize. I got
00:30:38 that already.
00:30:39 >> Distribute into suitable parts and
00:30:41 appoint proper officers that the whole
00:30:44 may act as one body
00:30:47 as to organize an army. Okay. Yep. That
00:30:50 okay. That makes sense to me because I’m
00:30:52 military. All right.
00:30:54 So we say to well I I’m former military
00:30:57 I’m retired but so we say to organize a
00:31:00 house of representatives which is dumb
00:31:02 or or to put together a parliament like
00:31:04 in Great Britain when a new when a new
00:31:07 monarch comes into power they appoint
00:31:09 the prime minister to establish a
00:31:11 government.
00:31:12 >> Yeah that’s organizing
00:31:14 >> right um to appoint so done by the
00:31:17 appointment of officers and verification
00:31:18 of the powers of the several members. So
00:31:21 we say a club, a party or faction is
00:31:25 organized when it takes a systemati a
00:31:28 systemized
00:31:30 form.
00:31:31 >> Okay. So let’s take an example from the
00:31:34 five books of Moses. Okay.
00:31:37 >> All right.
00:31:38 >> Uh
00:31:41 it was chaos
00:31:43 with Moses. Well Moses although he did
00:31:46 some wonderful miracles, he was still
00:31:48 learning. Okay. Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:31:52 >> And there was some chaos.
00:31:56 >> And what did Jeffro tell Moses to do to
00:32:00 help with the chaos?
00:32:02 >> He said
00:32:02 >> that Yahweh confirmed.
00:32:05 >> He said, “Dude, you’re working way too
00:32:07 hard. Delegate, dummy.”
00:32:11 >> Uh, like organize with officers.
00:32:15 >> Right. He basically said, “Degle,
00:32:17 dummy.”
00:32:18 >> Yeah. So like tens, 50, hundreds,
00:32:22 >> right? He’s like, “Look, man, you don’t
00:32:24 have to do it all.
00:32:26 >> Pick people who you trust.”
00:32:30 >> No, actually said, “Pick h have the
00:32:32 tribes pick who they trust that you then
00:32:35 >> have pick who they trust to do the right
00:32:36 thing.”
00:32:36 >> And then he had to confirm it. But
00:32:38 anyways, I’m getting technical Timmy
00:32:40 here.
00:32:40 >> Yeah, you are. And stop it. But anyways,
00:32:44 >> oh, I don’t know how.
00:32:45 >> I know. Um, but so basically pick people
00:32:49 who the people trust
00:32:51 and verify that with me and if I say yes
00:32:54 and go ahead with it and have them set
00:32:57 this up.
00:32:58 >> Okay. Can uh now here’s a question. Can
00:33:02 you see that in the first AB? Go read
00:33:04 it. Read it again.
00:33:06 >> Now the Lord
00:33:07 >> tell me if you can see that in there.
00:33:10 Uh now the Lord had shown me Abraham the
00:33:12 intelligences that were organized before
00:33:15 the world was and among all these there
00:33:17 were many of the noble and great ones.
00:33:20 Okay. So there was some kind of
00:33:22 organization set up.
00:33:23 >> Yeah. Noble and great ones are the ones
00:33:25 that were um everybody was recognizing
00:33:29 they were doing things that they were
00:33:31 doing how it was supposed to do and
00:33:33 people saw that and put them in
00:33:36 >> and said we trust and we trust you.
00:33:39 Yeah,
00:33:41 it’s talking it’s like um the event with
00:33:45 Moses that gave an example from the five
00:33:47 books of Moses.
00:33:49 >> Okay. All right. Okay.
00:33:51 >> Yahweh did the same thing.
00:33:55 This is saying I I’m Yahweh I’m showing
00:33:59 you Abraham premortal life where
00:34:03 >> I’m showing you how all this got So
00:34:05 basically saying I’m showing you how all
00:34:07 of this got set up. Yeah. Yeah. So this
00:34:10 this group of followers that I have now
00:34:12 notice here he never says children.
00:34:15 >> No he says intelligences.
00:34:17 >> Yeah. Intelligences.
00:34:18 >> So that that signifies
00:34:22 separateness.
00:34:23 >> Well let’s go read what intelligence
00:34:25 means.
00:34:26 >> Spiritual being as a created
00:34:28 intelligence. It is believed the
00:34:30 universe is people with innumerable
00:34:31 superior intell Oh superior. I like that
00:34:33 word. Superior intelligences.
00:34:36 >> I bet you do. Yes.
00:34:39 >> Do you think you’re superior, Josh?
00:34:41 Anyway, um but the main point I’m trying
00:34:43 to bring out here is spiritual being
00:34:46 >> spirits. There’s intelligences are
00:34:49 spirits.
00:34:50 >> Yeah, that’s spirit.
00:34:53 >> So, so the
00:34:54 >> spirit word it goes back to my question.
00:34:59 What is the body and this and the
00:35:02 intelligence together? Is that a whole
00:35:04 soul or what do you call that?
00:35:08 What do you call that?
00:35:10 >> I I I don’t know a name off top of my
00:35:12 head, but let’s let’s but let’s first of
00:35:14 all let’s focus on what you
00:35:16 >> trying to understand because that would
00:35:18 help me understand this better.
00:35:21 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But let’s first focus
00:35:23 on what we don’t call it. Okay.
00:35:25 >> Okay.
00:35:26 >> Because that is something I do know.
00:35:28 Okay.
00:35:28 >> Okay. All right. Let’s Well, let’s Yes.
00:35:31 >> Okay. So, let’s do the next AB.
00:35:33 >> Okay. and God or and Elohim saw these
00:35:37 souls.
00:35:37 >> Wait, these.
00:35:39 So,
00:35:41 what is some of the English that goes
00:35:43 with the word these?
00:35:47 >> Um,
00:35:47 >> it goes with the previous idea,
00:35:49 >> right? No, it’s he’s talking about the
00:35:52 noble and great ones,
00:35:53 >> right? Right. But these noble and great
00:35:55 ones were the intelligences.
00:35:57 >> Intelligences. They were intelligent.
00:35:59 >> Now he’s saying intelligence is the same
00:36:01 thing as soul,
00:36:04 >> right? So again, that doesn’t really
00:36:07 answer my question, but let’s keep
00:36:09 reading.
00:36:09 >> Well, it it it it tells you what it’s
00:36:12 not. It doesn’t tell you what it is,
00:36:14 right? So it is helping, but not maybe
00:36:17 quite the way that you want it.
00:36:18 >> So intelligences are souls.
00:36:22 >> Yes, that’s what this says. That’s what
00:36:24 that tells me.
00:36:24 >> Yeah, it tells me what they are.
00:36:28 So soul that right there tells me what
00:36:30 intelligences are.
00:36:31 >> Yes. So these goes back to the great and
00:36:34 noble ones. The great noble ones goes
00:36:36 back to the intelligences.
00:36:38 >> I I No, I I I get that.
00:36:40 >> Okay.
00:36:41 >> But let’s keep reading because maybe
00:36:44 >> um
00:36:45 that they were that they were good. And
00:36:48 he stood in the midst of them and he
00:36:50 said, “These I will make my rulers.” So,
00:36:54 the ones that were doing it right from
00:36:55 the get, he’s like, “The these are my
00:36:58 go-to guys.”
00:36:58 >> Yeah. Yeah. Look, look how B and B goes
00:37:01 together.
00:37:03 >> Right. Right.
00:37:04 >> And A and A goes together.
00:37:06 >> No, I understand that. No, I I I saw
00:37:08 that, but Okay, we’ll we’ll keep reading
00:37:11 because I don’t I I
00:37:15 maybe I’m just at a log jam right now. I
00:37:18 don’t know. Anyways, for he stood among
00:37:20 those that were spirits.
00:37:23 Okay. Those
00:37:25 >> What does those do? Does that tie it to
00:37:28 previous concepts?
00:37:30 >> Yeah, I guess the noble and great ones.
00:37:33 >> Well, yeah.
00:37:36 >> Yeah. And then also look how an holes
00:37:40 >> like like
00:37:43 >> he’s tying all of them together.
00:37:45 >> No, I understand. He’s entire No, I
00:37:48 understand that.
00:37:49 >> Hold on. Let him talk. Where? But no,
00:37:52 stop. Stop. Just stop.
00:37:55 >> Where in all of this? Yes, he’s these
00:37:57 entire intelligences, souls, and spirits
00:37:59 together. I get it. That I get
00:38:03 where does the body fit into this?
00:38:07 >> The physical body. I don’t see anything
00:38:09 about physical body in here.
00:38:10 >> Right there. You’re right. There’s not
00:38:13 >> right. And that’s my question.
00:38:15 >> Right. Right. But what I’m first doing
00:38:18 here is showing how soul is not the
00:38:21 spirit in the body.
00:38:24 >> Okay.
00:38:25 >> Uh what I’m bringing out has soul,
00:38:27 spirit and intelligence are the spirit
00:38:30 in the body. So I guess my question is
00:38:32 what is the spirit and the body?
00:38:34 >> I don’t know.
00:38:37 >> I don’t have an idea.
00:38:39 >> Is the spirit and the body together
00:38:41 Steven Rhett Josh sickles?
00:38:43 >> No sickles. No,
00:38:45 >> I don’t know.
00:38:46 >> So, you are your soul.
00:38:51 This body is a glove to the hand.
00:38:56 I I So, this gets
00:38:58 >> What you’re saying is Wait, wait, wait.
00:38:59 No, that doesn’t makeh
00:39:02 to me that just doesn’t make any sense.
00:39:05 And I’m not trying to be a dick. I’m not
00:39:07 >> No, I know you’re not. And I I’m trying
00:39:08 to be helpful. So I do know in culture,
00:39:10 especially the Bergamites and probably
00:39:14 other Christian churches and Jewish
00:39:18 there’s this focus on how we are our
00:39:20 physical body,
00:39:22 >> right? I I think maybe that’s part of
00:39:24 the concern here possibly.
00:39:27 >> Maybe
00:39:28 >> we’re not our physical body.
00:39:30 >> You said the focus is that we are our
00:39:32 physical body. Is that what you just
00:39:34 said? Yeah, there’s a focus in the world
00:39:36 that we are physical body,
00:39:38 >> right? Okay.
00:39:40 >> We’re not
00:39:41 >> we’re our soul or
00:39:43 >> we’re we’re the soul or spirit.
00:39:45 >> So,
00:39:47 >> but and yet we can’t accept the
00:39:49 atonement without the go.
00:39:52 >> Correct.
00:39:55 >> Because that’s
00:39:58 >> so basically our body is merely a tool.
00:40:02 >> Yeah. But but but but by that token when
00:40:06 we’re resurrected we go back into the
00:40:09 glove.
00:40:10 >> Yeah.
00:40:11 >> So that doesn’t again that doesn’t make
00:40:12 any sense to me.
00:40:13 >> No, but what animates does the glove
00:40:18 move if the spirit or does the spirit
00:40:20 >> the glove does not animate itself?
00:40:22 Right. I get that.
00:40:26 >> We this the soul has always existed.
00:40:30 Okay. for the intelligence, right? The
00:40:33 soul intelligence, spirit, whatever you
00:40:35 want to call it,
00:40:36 >> that has always existed,
00:40:38 >> right?
00:40:39 >> And it it’s always looked basically the
00:40:42 same as what we look now. And we can get
00:40:44 that from Ether 3,
00:40:47 >> right? No. Yes. That I that I get,
00:40:49 right?
00:40:50 Um
00:40:53 >> but we we needed the physical body to
00:40:58 become
00:41:00 um because
00:41:02 >> but but okay go ahead. Sorry I
00:41:04 interrupted you. Sorry. Sorry.
00:41:06 >> I Okay. Because we were not in as
00:41:10 intelligent as Yeshua to figure it out
00:41:12 without going through it.
00:41:16 >> Going through what mortality you’re
00:41:18 saying? Yes.
00:41:20 >> Okay.
00:41:22 >> And this is one thing I haven’t figured
00:41:23 out. Okay. I I don’t know exactly why we
00:41:26 need the physical body,
00:41:28 >> right?
00:41:29 >> Well, okay. But even Yeshua
00:41:35 in order to perform the atonement had to
00:41:37 come down and go through the mortal
00:41:39 experience.
00:41:40 >> Yes. To show that it’s possible
00:41:44 >> and that he did it.
00:41:46 >> Right. and that he did it.
00:41:51 >> And I think a part of the physical body,
00:41:55 why it’s needed is because it does tempt
00:41:59 us.
00:42:00 >> Well, yeah. Oh, boy does it. Um,
00:42:06 >> oh boy does it. Um,
00:42:08 >> can I can I offer a suggestion here?
00:42:12 This may or may not help. It may make it
00:42:14 worse. I don’t know. But I have a I’m
00:42:17 receiving some I’m receiving a thought
00:42:20 and I just want to put it out there.
00:42:22 Right.
00:42:22 >> Okay.
00:42:22 >> So, if we go back to the creation story,
00:42:26 right?
00:42:27 >> Okay.
00:42:28 >> So, Adam,
00:42:30 >> you’re saying Genesis?
00:42:32 >> Yes. Adam,
00:42:32 >> are you referring Well, are you
00:42:34 referring to Genesis?
00:42:35 >> We’re going to the very beginning,
00:42:36 right?
00:42:37 >> We’re going to the very beginning. The
00:42:40 first man.
00:42:43 >> Okay. Adam.
00:42:43 >> We’re going to Adam. Okay. All right.
00:42:46 >> We are going to Adam the creation story.
00:42:50 >> Okay.
00:42:51 >> So,
00:42:52 Adam,
00:42:58 he was formed of the dust of the earth
00:43:02 or his his
00:43:04 body was formed of the dust of the
00:43:06 earth.
00:43:07 >> Okay.
00:43:07 >> As it is described. But what did then
00:43:12 Yahweh do to animate the body?
00:43:15 >> Well, he breathed he breathed the breath
00:43:16 of life into
00:43:17 >> he placed that spirit that hand into
00:43:24 that
00:43:27 using the hand and glove scenario,
00:43:31 >> right?
00:43:32 >> Yes. I I Yes. But that that
00:43:35 >> But what does So I guess actually
00:43:38 Stephen. Okay. Well, no, no, no.
00:43:41 >> Real quick.
00:43:42 >> Let him finish.
00:43:44 >> Do you Okay, everybody be quiet.
00:43:46 Stephen, do you mind going to the
00:43:48 creation story real quick? I think there
00:43:51 might be a key there. I’m not sure.
00:43:54 >> Okay. So, I’m happy to. I’m not quite
00:43:57 sure what you’re trying to
00:43:58 >> Let’s pause for a minute. Let’s pause.
00:44:00 >> Pause. Yeah. I I’m sorry guys, but this
00:44:04 is something that’s always kind of has
00:44:07 not made sense to me like ever. And and
00:44:11 I I really am wanting to know the
00:44:14 answers. But
00:44:16 >> um so
00:44:18 let me say this before we pause and find
00:44:20 what John’s looking for if that’s okay.
00:44:23 John.
00:44:23 >> Yeah, that’s fine.
00:44:26 So, um, here’s an interesting conundrum
00:44:31 that I I’m going to use to help maybe
00:44:34 explain why we need a physical body.
00:44:36 Okay.
00:44:39 So, before Yeshua was born, his
00:44:43 spirit was seen as an adult. Correct.
00:44:46 >> Mhm.
00:44:48 >> Or as he was going to look as an adult,
00:44:50 right?
00:44:51 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. To be more specific.
00:44:53 Yes. Exactly.
00:44:55 >> Technical Timmy me.
00:44:57 >> But it’s like it’s an important
00:44:58 technical Timmy. Right. Okay.
00:45:01 >> Right.
00:45:02 >> So, uh, are we when we are born, are are
00:45:06 spirits babies or are they adults?
00:45:12 >> Well, I I would assume
00:45:13 >> I would say
00:45:14 >> however old they are.
00:45:16 >> Yeah, they’re adults.
00:45:17 >> They’ve always been, right?
00:45:18 >> Yeah. You were adults. Okay. So, now
00:45:21 let’s go a little further. Uh-huh.
00:45:24 >> So, there’s this baby spirit inside the
00:45:28 mother spirit.
00:45:34 Wait a minute. What?
00:45:37 What?
00:45:38 >> What? What?
00:45:40 >> Right. They’re So, they’re occupying the
00:45:42 same space.
00:45:44 >> They’re not really affecting each other
00:45:49 >> physically. Uh oh. Well, I would ask any
00:45:53 woman who’s been pregnant. I think they
00:45:54 would beg to differ with no spiritually.
00:45:58 >> Oh, spiritual. You’re talking on a
00:45:59 spiritual level. The
00:46:01 >> exact same space, for lack of a better
00:46:03 term.
00:46:04 >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I I see
00:46:06 what you’re getting at. Okay. All right.
00:46:08 >> Right. Because physically they
00:46:12 they are not, but that’s a different
00:46:14 issue. But
00:46:15 >> that’s completely different issue. Yeah.
00:46:16 >> Yeah. Yeah. But it it the baby’s
00:46:19 actually pushing out making her not take
00:46:21 the same space. But anyways, right.
00:46:23 >> But there
00:46:25 there is something about the physical
00:46:27 body and being able to affect other
00:46:29 people. Okay.
00:46:31 >> Mhm.
00:46:32 >> Now, Nei Nephi in First Nephi somewhere,
00:46:36 I’m sorry, I can’t remember where. Uh
00:46:38 but he brings out how our sins affect
00:46:40 other people. Okay.
00:46:43 >> Yeah. Nobody works in a vacuum and I
00:46:44 firmly believe that. Yes. Now, um,
00:46:49 >> how more pronounced is that with a
00:46:52 physical body that actually hit each
00:46:56 other and can’t go through and actually
00:46:57 affect each other
00:47:00 >> than a spiritual body that they’re
00:47:02 actually kind of right there in the same
00:47:04 spot and they’re not doing anything to
00:47:07 each other.
00:47:11 >> Well, the spirits you’re saying? Yeah,
00:47:13 the spirits.
00:47:14 >> Not necessarily the physicals because
00:47:16 physical bodies are affecting each
00:47:18 other.
00:47:18 >> Yeah, the spirits. But the spirits,
00:47:20 they’re both adult spirits.
00:47:23 >> Yeah. No, I Okay, I I see what you’re
00:47:25 saying, right? Yeah.
00:47:27 >> Right. Okay. Right. And they’re I mean,
00:47:30 they’re cohabitating basically the same
00:47:32 general area,
00:47:35 but
00:47:36 >> Well, the adult spirit, for lack of a
00:47:40 better term, is so big. It’s more than
00:47:43 just that little space in the belly.
00:47:45 Okay.
00:47:46 >> Right. Right. Right. Right.
00:47:48 >> Or uterus if you want to be more
00:47:50 technically correct. Right.
00:47:52 >> Well, that’s why maybe why motherhood is
00:47:54 so sacred and so but anyways that but
00:47:59 yeah.
00:48:00 >> Do you kind of see what I’m getting at?
00:48:02 It’s the for us to build that effect on
00:48:06 each other. There is a physical
00:48:12 part that needs to be there cuz before
00:48:15 that it was just words.
00:48:17 >> Right. Right. No. And and
00:48:19 >> there was really no real effect. And I
00:48:23 Right.
00:48:24 >> And I and I get that. But what is But my
00:48:28 question goes back to what is
00:48:31 >> Can I Can I
00:48:32 >> Can we go to the scripture?
00:48:33 >> Can we go to Genesis chapter 2 verse 7?
00:48:35 >> Okay. because I think there is an actual
00:48:38 combo.
00:48:39 >> This is actually going to tell you what
00:48:40 the body and the spirit together are.
00:48:43 It’s not so much just a soul.
00:48:47 There’s a word attached to soul.
00:48:49 >> Oh, okay. So, I guess I just didn’t
00:48:50 remember it. So,
00:48:54 >> there is a word that is
00:48:55 >> attached
00:48:57 to 27.
00:48:59 >> You’re you’re only human.
00:49:02 >> Uh yeah. Well, it Okay. So I I wonder if
00:49:06 I see what he’s going to claim and I
00:49:08 think I’m going to disagree, but I’ll
00:49:09 let him do it and we’ll see what
00:49:10 happens.
00:49:13 >> There’s a word associated with soul that
00:49:15 is uh you know that they they draw a
00:49:21 distinction between living and dead a
00:49:23 lot and it has to do with being in the
00:49:26 body or out of the body.
00:49:29 And the Lord God formed man of the dust
00:49:32 of the ground and breathed into his
00:49:34 nostrils the breath of life, and man
00:49:37 became a living soul.
00:49:40 >> Yeah. Okay. So, um I I I see what Ben’s
00:49:44 trying to use. Um I’m going to disagree
00:49:48 that living soul has to do with eternal
00:49:50 life. Uh the it does mean that eternal
00:49:54 life is not which means that eternal
00:49:56 life is not possible without the body.
00:49:59 I agree with that. But there those who
00:50:03 are in hell, outer darkness, that have a
00:50:07 physical body.
00:50:10 >> Yeah.
00:50:11 >> Uh, true, true. So I’m gonna So Yahweh
00:50:18 Elohim found the natural man and formed
00:50:22 him as in took the clay or the um
00:50:29 refiner’s fire
00:50:32 >> and gave him Torah into his nostrils.
00:50:35 Now the reason it’s nostrils because
00:50:37 nose have to do with trust.
00:50:40 >> Right. Right. Right. Right. A and this
00:50:42 breath
00:50:44 is the breath of life because it is what
00:50:47 gives you the joy, the purpose of life,
00:50:50 the reason to live, to do something
00:50:53 because it is joy.
00:50:54 >> And that’s why man became a living.
00:50:57 >> And because this man that was formed by
00:51:01 Yahweh that accepted this Torah, they
00:51:04 became
00:51:06 >> a living soul, meaning having eternal
00:51:10 life.
00:51:11 Right. Okay.
00:51:12 >> Right. True. But the the the point the
00:51:16 point is is that without the medium
00:51:21 whereby we can act actually whereby we
00:51:25 can um
00:51:28 whereby we can physically communicate
00:51:31 with one another.
00:51:34 Um
00:51:37 the day of the day of work cannot begin
00:51:43 and the night and the night of death
00:51:48 the night of death is the result of
00:51:51 losing that physical body and no labor
00:51:55 can be performed in it.
00:51:58 So therefore
00:52:01 the the whole the whole purpose of of
00:52:04 the body is in
00:52:07 um is in overcoming these natural urges
00:52:12 and in becoming and in so doing becoming
00:52:16 um a living and in so doing becoming a
00:52:19 living soul as Stephen talks about here.
00:52:22 >> I I do believe that is part of it. I
00:52:24 don’t think it’s all of think that I do
00:52:27 think that um
00:52:30 the physical body
00:52:33 is absolutely key and essential.
00:52:37 I I it it is clear to me that the
00:52:39 physical body is essential.
00:52:41 >> I agree
00:52:42 >> to um to to being a living to being a
00:52:47 living soul.
00:52:49 >> Yes. In fact, Yeshua had to be
00:52:51 resurrected.
00:52:52 >> Right.
00:52:52 >> Right. And that’s and that’s
00:52:54 >> so this is what this is why I’m saying
00:52:57 the physical body is what makes it
00:52:59 possible for us to be a living soul as
00:53:01 opposed to a dead one.
00:53:06 >> Uh
00:53:08 well this is where I see what you’re
00:53:10 getting at. But I will go back to the
00:53:12 sons of preditions that live mortality.
00:53:14 >> I’m not saying that it guarantees that
00:53:16 you will be a living soul. I’m saying
00:53:18 that it’s what makes it possible.
00:53:22 Uh
00:53:24 well for those who accept and live
00:53:27 >> for those who accept
00:53:28 >> the by the breath of life
00:53:29 >> breath of life and live.
00:53:34 >> Uh it’s a part of what makes it
00:53:36 possible. How about that?
00:53:39 >> Fair enough. Fair enough.
00:53:41 >> Um
00:53:41 >> okay. So so
00:53:45 >> I agree I agree with all of that. I I do
00:53:47 believe that the mortal body is
00:53:50 essential in becoming and in in
00:53:54 accepting and and taking on us the um
00:54:01 you know the the the sacrifice that uh
00:54:04 Yeshua performed for us. But what is
00:54:07 that right? I I want to understand it is
00:54:11 that
00:54:11 >> so you want to name
00:54:12 >> what is the body and spirit together? I
00:54:15 I I I honestly right now don’t know a
00:54:17 name.
00:54:18 >> We can’t give you a name other than
00:54:20 other Okay. All right.
00:54:23 >> Other than what the scripture says, the
00:54:25 script the the only thing that that it
00:54:29 provides the opportunity to for you to
00:54:31 become a living soul that physical.
00:54:33 >> Now, if you want we uh let’s finish
00:54:36 Abraham 3 because there’s one more
00:54:39 verse.
00:54:40 >> Yep. Um, in fact, actually, I should
00:54:42 probably make this A and these two B’s.
00:54:45 I didn’t see that before. I’m still
00:54:47 always improving my own stuff, but any I
00:54:51 don’t know how to stop. Um, because
00:54:53 look, Abraham, Abraham, and then not.
00:54:56 So, I I maybe I’ll add that. I I don’t
00:54:59 know. Anyways, um, but here, just read
00:55:02 this last one, right? And he said unto
00:55:04 me, Abraham.
00:55:07 >> Okay. Now Abraham
00:55:10 when was this now when is this
00:55:14 representing okay this period that he’s
00:55:17 talking about?
00:55:18 >> Well he’s now
00:55:21 >> so Abraham is mortal when this
00:55:24 >> Abraham was his name post covenant.
00:55:26 >> Right. Right. Okay. So uh let me just
00:55:28 get to it. This is while Abraham was
00:55:32 this vision was given to Abraham when he
00:55:35 was mortal. Right.
00:55:38 >> Right.
00:55:40 >> But he
00:55:41 >> was given to him obviously since he’s
00:55:43 using the name Abraham was given to him
00:55:45 postcovenant.
00:55:48 >> Yes. And that goes along with being the
00:55:50 noble and one of the noble and great
00:55:52 ones. But more what I’m trying to get at
00:55:54 you are one of these intelligences. You
00:55:59 Right.
00:56:00 >> Then your essence is what I’m for lack
00:56:03 of a better term is your intelligence of
00:56:05 you.
00:56:06 >> So basically you’re saying the essence
00:56:08 of you.
00:56:09 >> Yeah.
00:56:12 >> Here is the other amazing thing about
00:56:14 this.
00:56:16 when he says you Abraham
00:56:21 in the chronological timeline of
00:56:23 Abraham’s life at this time he is still
00:56:26 Abraham
00:56:29 >> not he’s still Abram he’s not Abraham he
00:56:34 has not been renamed at this point this
00:56:37 is an evidence of the fornowledge that
00:56:39 of Yah that he would be named Abraham
00:56:44 Yeah.
00:56:49 >> You okay, John?
00:56:51 >> So, cut it going to the back to the
00:56:54 point. The essence is your
00:56:57 >> your soul that’s driving everything,
00:57:00 but even probably more than that, you’re
00:57:05 it’s your desires, right?
00:57:07 >> Yeah. Right. Okay.
00:57:10 I mean, the desires are a consequence of
00:57:12 who you are, if that makes
00:57:15 >> sense.
00:57:15 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that that makes
00:57:17 sense. That that I’m not questioning. I
00:57:19 I just I don’t
00:57:21 >> So,
00:57:22 >> maybe that’s something Maybe that’s
00:57:24 something I need to do research on and
00:57:26 go fasting and prayer to Yahw with
00:57:28 because I that’s just something that
00:57:31 What is that? What What is the body and
00:57:34 the intelligence together? What is that?
00:57:36 I don’t I don’t know. And for some
00:57:39 reason to me that’s that’s important,
00:57:41 but maybe it’s not important. And maybe
00:57:42 I just need God to tell me to
00:57:45 >> pack it up and and and go home because
00:57:47 maybe that’s not important.
00:57:49 >> Well, and I I wonder if part of it is
00:57:52 because how bergamites misinterpret a
00:57:54 verse in Dean for Dean 84 or 88. I
00:57:57 forget which one it is.
00:57:58 >> 88.
00:58:00 >> Ben would know those are two of his
00:58:02 favorite ones. I always get those two
00:58:04 mixed up. And Ben Ben does love those
00:58:07 two sections. Yes.
00:58:09 >> Yeah. Um
00:58:11 and so I’m wondering,
00:58:13 and this is just me, I’m wondering if
00:58:15 you want a definition of for something
00:58:17 that was taken away, so to speak,
00:58:19 because of leaving that tradition.
00:58:23 >> There may be that that might be
00:58:26 >> and there could be a word for it. I just
00:58:28 and maybe and maybe and maybe that’s
00:58:30 just a hangup that I have right now
00:58:33 because I’m seeking to fill a void if
00:58:37 you know what I’m saying. But yeah, I I
00:58:39 don’t know.
00:58:41 >> Before in the Brigamite tradition, you
00:58:43 had a certainty as to what that was
00:58:45 called,
00:58:46 >> right? It’s your soul.
00:58:49 >> Yeah. And and now you don’t have a
00:58:51 certainty. But I I it I I have verses
00:58:55 regarding resurrection. Um that shows
00:58:59 how it’ll say soul and body and spirit
00:59:02 and body.
00:59:04 >> Now I I if body’s the same,
00:59:07 >> right? That means the other two are the
00:59:10 same, which goes along with Abraham 3.
00:59:14 >> Okay.
00:59:16 >> Uh you want I mean I’m I’m sure I can
00:59:19 find my notebook. Neither is the body
00:59:21 without the soul or the soul without the
00:59:23 body.
00:59:24 >> Yeah. And sometimes it’s called um soul
00:59:29 and sometimes it’s called spirit.
00:59:32 >> And sometimes it’s called body and
00:59:34 spirit.
00:59:35 >> Well, body and the spirit is the two
00:59:36 together,
00:59:37 >> right? No, that’s what I’m saying.
00:59:39 Sometimes it’s called body and spirit.
00:59:41 Sometimes it’s just called spirit.
00:59:42 Sometimes it’s just called
00:59:43 >> Well, that would be spirit and body,
00:59:45 >> right? No, that’s what I’m saying.
00:59:47 >> Oh, okay.
00:59:50 Well, I I guess I was confused when you
00:59:51 said just spirit. So,
00:59:54 >> the soul.
00:59:55 >> Did I say just spirit? I’m sorry.
00:59:57 >> Not what I meant, but okay.
00:59:59 >> The truth of the matter is the soul.
01:00:01 Soul, intelligence, spirit. Same thing.
01:00:04 >> Yeah, it’s just different words. Tomato,
01:00:06 tomato.
01:00:07 >> No, that that I get that I get. But but
01:00:10 my hangup is with the body part.
01:00:14 >> What is that called? Well, the body is
01:00:18 the physical body.
01:00:20 >> What’s the whole
01:00:21 >> Oh, yeah. Heather and I I
01:00:24 >> And and and as far as I know, just from
01:00:26 what I’ve read and what we’ve read
01:00:28 tonight, too, there’s no specific name
01:00:32 for that, I don’t think.
01:00:34 >> Not that I know of. There could be. I
01:00:36 just I I don’t know.
01:00:38 >> Well, maybe that’s a question I’ll ask
01:00:40 in the future. right now it’s not super
01:00:41 important to my salvation but um
01:00:47 >> that’s
01:00:49 it is a question it is a question that I
01:00:51 do think there’s an answer to and maybe
01:00:53 I might get someday
01:00:55 >> well I do think that there yeah and now
01:00:58 I’m going to do some now I’m going to do
01:00:59 something that now I’m going to just do
01:01:01 something just to be a twit
01:01:03 >> okay
01:01:04 >> find out about you’ll find out about it
01:01:06 in the millennium
01:01:08 >> oh boy Yeah. Yep. You’re right. Probably
01:01:12 shouldn’t have said that. Probably
01:01:13 shouldn’t have said that because now you
01:01:14 trigger me.
01:01:16 >> Okay.
01:01:17 >> One of these days we’ll understand.
01:01:19 >> Oh boy.
01:01:20 >> See, now you really trigger me.
01:01:22 >> Anyway, let’s get back to
01:01:24 >> I’ll just do this. Look, the soul
01:01:26 between the death and the resurrection
01:01:29 and the spirits. Here’s in one verse
01:01:32 using it interchangeably, right?
01:01:35 >> Yep. Here is two verses.
01:01:39 Spirits of the wicked, souls of the
01:01:42 wicked.
01:01:43 >> That’s interesting.
01:01:45 >> Oh, and then look, spirits or souls
01:01:47 saying it’s two words for the same
01:01:49 thing.
01:01:51 >> H Yeah.
01:01:52 >> I I mean I I have more here. Do you want
01:01:54 more or
01:01:56 just
01:01:59 >> they’re using
01:02:02 that? This is just something that I’m
01:02:03 gonna have to research more, do more
01:02:07 reading on, but yeah.
01:02:09 >> Anyways,
01:02:10 >> I I I don’t Yeah, I don’t want to
01:02:13 >> The body is a vessel and a communicative
01:02:15 medium.
01:02:17 >> Medium.
01:02:17 >> The body is a what? As a vessel of what?
01:02:20 >> A vessel and a communicative medium.
01:02:24 >> Yeah. Well, why do we suck at it so bad
01:02:26 then?
01:02:27 >> Well, because we
01:02:29 >> communication communication. I mean
01:02:36 >> some of it is
01:02:39 pride. I think uh
01:02:41 >> uh probably the largest part of it is
01:02:43 pride but yeah.
01:02:45 >> Yeah. And I think another part is
01:02:47 because we have forgotten truth.
01:02:51 >> Well, yes. And and and that was
01:02:53 purposeful.
01:02:55 >> Yeah. Of course.
01:02:56 >> And that goes along with the test. Will
01:02:57 you really accept it? Right.
01:02:59 >> Right. Right. Right, right, right. I get
01:03:01 that. All right. Well, that that I mean
01:03:05 No, I I I agree with what you brought
01:03:08 out about souls, spirits, and
01:03:11 intelligences being one. My question,
01:03:13 what is was what is the spirit and the
01:03:17 body together? What is that called? And
01:03:19 I think I’m just trying and maybe I’m
01:03:21 just trying to fill a void um for a
01:03:25 teaching that is not necessarily true.
01:03:29 >> Well, that I’m still trying to that I’m
01:03:31 still trying to
01:03:33 >> Well, the concept is there.
01:03:35 >> You know what I’m saying, right?
01:03:37 >> The concept’s there. We just don’t have
01:03:39 a word to describe the concept at this
01:03:42 point.
01:03:43 >> And you want a word to describe the
01:03:45 concept, which is understandable,
01:03:48 >> right? I I I really do. But again, that
01:03:51 goes down that goes along with my
01:03:54 nancondism.
01:03:55 >> But here’s another here’s another uh
01:03:58 here’s another Here’s another another
01:04:01 thought.
01:04:06 >> The word to describe that with Torah
01:04:10 written on your heart is completion.
01:04:16 >> But that’s the living soul. That’s not
01:04:18 >> right.
01:04:19 >> Yeah. That’s the living soul.
01:04:21 >> That’s not a spirit.
01:04:22 >> That’s not the son of predition soul.
01:04:24 >> Yeah.
01:04:27 And even with that, that’s not a a soul
01:04:31 that will receive tustrial glory.
01:04:34 >> Right. Yeah. Exactly.
01:04:35 >> That’s even in the kingdom.
01:04:37 >> Right.
01:04:37 >> Right.
01:04:39 >> Right. It’s not even the lowest rung of
01:04:42 the kingdom.
01:04:44 >> Well, it still describes It still
01:04:46 describes part of it.
01:04:48 >> Well, it describes
01:04:49 >> describe a part, but it’s not but that’s
01:04:51 not universal. Well, yeah, it describes
01:04:55 this I would say it describes the state
01:04:57 of the soul that will receive celestial
01:05:00 glory, not necessarily that it has a
01:05:02 physical body or not.
01:05:04 >> Right. And and that was my point is that
01:05:06 that’s not necessarily a universal
01:05:09 descriptor.
01:05:12 >> Right. And I I and I I think you’re just
01:05:14 trying to get a term that means the
01:05:18 spirit embodied. for me and for me
01:05:21 that’s important. It doesn’t necessarily
01:05:24 mean that in the long run it’s actually
01:05:26 important but for me that’s something
01:05:28 that’s important. So yeah, we we can
01:05:32 make up one if you want. So you know how
01:05:36 something made I don’t want something
01:05:37 made up.
01:05:38 >> Well, you know how dinner is lunch and
01:05:42 dinner.
01:05:43 >> Oh, please. Okay, we’re we’re we’re
01:05:45 we’re done. No, we’re done. Our brunch
01:05:48 is breakfast and lunch. We could do
01:05:50 something like that.
01:05:51 >> We’re No, we’re not making up anything.
01:05:53 I I
01:05:55 >> This is something This is something that
01:05:57 I I will know at some point when it’s
01:06:01 >> in the due time of
01:06:04 >> him and due time of Yahwa. He knows that
01:06:06 for me that’s important. And when it’s
01:06:10 important for him for me to know, then
01:06:12 he’ll let me know.
01:06:13 >> Okay.
01:06:13 >> As long as I keep studying. as long as I
01:06:15 keep studying and as long as I keep on
01:06:18 the
01:06:21 >> if you want to make up a word that’s for
01:06:24 us until we know all of the the correct
01:06:27 word that may be helpful for you
01:06:29 something to consider and maybe do
01:06:31 something like brunch and litter
01:06:36 >> I don’t know I’m just throwing out there
01:06:38 those those two words were actually made
01:06:41 up to describe meals in between the two
01:06:43 >> Oh I know I Oh, I know. Yeah,
01:06:45 >> I I know what you call it.
01:06:47 >> Kind of having a liner, you know.
01:06:51 >> Call it a be soul. A be soul.
01:06:55 >> Oh gosh.
01:06:56 >> Uh I think we need
01:06:58 >> call it a bull.
01:07:00 >> Uh yeah, you can’t have the s in there
01:07:02 because you need a partial. Anyways, we
01:07:04 need
01:07:04 >> call it a bowl.
01:07:05 >> Anyway,
01:07:08 >> sorry. I didn’t mean to sidetrack us on
01:07:11 this, but
01:07:11 >> No, that’s fine. It’s a question that I
01:07:13 have and for me it’s important.
01:07:16 >> Sure. Sure. Um, okay. Should we go back
01:07:19 to Isaiah now?
01:07:21 >> Yes. Yeah. Let’s go back to Isaiah.
01:07:23 Sorry guys, everyone.
01:07:24 >> So, I think we’re on verse 23 now.
01:07:28 >> Yeah. All right. 23. And it shall come
01:07:31 to pass that from one new moon to
01:07:34 another.
01:07:34 >> Okay. So, uh, real quick, to come to
01:07:37 pass is a prophecy. This is what will
01:07:39 happen in the future, right?
01:07:41 >> Right.
01:07:42 And this future that they’re talking
01:07:44 about, which we figured out here, is
01:07:47 millennium and actually eternity, right?
01:07:52 >> Y
01:07:54 >> Andrew,
01:07:56 >> love you, bro.
01:07:57 >> All right. Take care.
01:08:00 >> Um, so, uh, this is prophecy. What’s
01:08:04 going to happen during the millennium
01:08:06 and eternity? Okay.
01:08:08 >> It is a sure thing.
01:08:10 >> Yes. Okay. All right. So, it shall come
01:08:13 to pass
01:08:15 uh and this is going back to verse 22
01:08:18 that from one new moon to another.
01:08:21 >> Now, I I will I I would insert a word
01:08:23 here partly to um
01:08:27 uh make it easier to understand and I
01:08:30 have shown this in other recordings and
01:08:32 posts. I would put new moon day
01:08:37 >> cuz
01:08:37 >> well I mean that that that well that
01:08:39 kind of makes sense
01:08:41 >> right because when you go look at how
01:08:42 they’re going to be worshiping there the
01:08:45 actual new moon point is a nancond long
01:08:50 right you can’t worship during a n
01:08:54 >> nanoseconds are important okay
01:08:57 >> okay well you go worship for a nancond
01:09:00 I’ll worship for a day
01:09:01 >> okay I’m good
01:09:04 Anyways, all right. Enough of that light
01:09:06 enough of that light-mindedness. Right.
01:09:08 Okay.
01:09:09 >> I am being a little silly, but I’m also
01:09:11 trying to make a point at the same time,
01:09:13 >> right?
01:09:13 >> Because here down in the bottom part,
01:09:16 >> it’s the it’s the day in connection with
01:09:18 the time. Right. I got you right.
01:09:21 >> Yeah.
01:09:21 >> So, I’m trying to bring out why I would
01:09:23 say new moon day
01:09:26 and to bring it in more modern day
01:09:28 vernacular and understanding and And the
01:09:32 fact that a lot of people have forgotten
01:09:34 what New Moon Day is, right?
01:09:37 >> Well, most people don’t know what that
01:09:39 is.
01:09:40 >> Yeah. The only ones that take it
01:09:41 seriously,
01:09:42 >> like 99.9%
01:09:43 of the Earth’s population does not know
01:09:46 what people who know what the know about
01:09:48 the new moon day.
01:09:49 >> Yeah. The only ones that take it
01:09:51 seriously are lubers lunar sabotarians.
01:09:55 There are a few people that will treat
01:09:57 it as do a fireside at night.
01:10:02 But that’s not even during the day.
01:10:05 >> Yeah. Which which defeats the purpose.
01:10:07 But anyways.
01:10:08 >> Yeah. Because worship time as we can get
01:10:10 with the history of the quail with Moses
01:10:14 is rise to sunset. Okay.
01:10:16 >> Yep.
01:10:17 >> Um
01:10:17 >> it’s always it’s Yeah. It’s always
01:10:19 sunrise to sunset. Yep. which also
01:10:21 explains why it was not against Torah
01:10:24 for Yahweh to have a move in the evening
01:10:27 on the same 24-hour day that was Sabbath
01:10:32 because it’s
01:10:34 >> it’s not worship time.
01:10:36 >> Worship time is sunrise to sunset.
01:10:38 >> Yep.
01:10:39 >> Yep.
01:10:41 >> All right. So anyway, and it shall come
01:10:43 to pass that from one new moon to
01:10:44 another or one new moon day to another
01:10:49 >> and from one Sabbath
01:10:52 to another.
01:10:53 >> Now I I refers to a specific day is
01:10:57 refers to a specific day which is the
01:10:59 seventh day of the lunar calendar
01:11:02 >> on the weekly Sabbath of Yahweh’s
01:11:05 calendar, not man’s calendar.
01:11:08 >> Correct.
01:11:09 Right.
01:11:11 So, and from one Sabbath to another
01:11:12 shall all flesh come to worship before
01:11:14 me, sayaith Yahweh.
01:11:16 >> Okay. So, it’s saying there’s two types
01:11:18 of days here that there are supposed to
01:11:20 come worship, right?
01:11:21 >> Yeah.
01:11:22 >> Not just one.
01:11:23 >> I think I think it pretty clearly says
01:11:25 that. Yeah.
01:11:26 >> Yeah. Not just one, but two.
01:11:28 >> All right, Zach. Have a good evening.
01:11:30 >> Yeah. Take care.
01:11:31 >> Good night, Zach.
01:11:33 Um
01:11:34 now there is a third type that um sadly
01:11:39 is not in this uh chapter. Um I I did
01:11:43 look just before
01:11:43 >> which are the yearly which are the
01:11:45 yearlys. Yes.
01:11:46 >> Which are the yearlys. But I do know one
01:11:48 off top of my head. It’s Zechariah 14.
01:11:50 That’s another prophecy.
01:11:53 >> Oh yeah.
01:11:55 >> So I’m going to pause just a minute
01:11:57 while we go get specific. So,
01:11:59 >> it’s the second to last book in the
01:12:01 >> Yes.
01:12:03 >> Okay. So, here’s another prophecy about
01:12:05 the millennium uh dealing with the
01:12:08 yearly or annly uh Sabbath. And so, this
01:12:12 is Zechariah 14:16.
01:12:16 Uh Josh, you want to read it for us?
01:12:18 >> Sure.
01:12:19 Um, and it shall come to pass that
01:12:22 everyone that is left of all the
01:12:25 nations, so those who weren’t destroyed
01:12:27 in the tribulation, I guess, um, which
01:12:30 came against Jerusalem,
01:12:33 shall even go up from year to year. Oh,
01:12:36 yearly. Uh, to worship the king.
01:12:39 >> Wait, is that really what year to year
01:12:41 means?
01:12:43 >> Um,
01:12:46 yes. uh
01:12:49 from year to year to worship the king ya
01:12:53 of hosts to keep the feast of
01:12:56 tabernacles
01:12:58 >> and this year whole new wow that puts a
01:13:01 whole new def puts a whole new meaning
01:13:04 to tabernacles
01:13:05 >> now one one thing now um John’s going to
01:13:08 say something in a minute but uh I do
01:13:10 want to bring out 17 how 17 actually
01:13:13 brings out it’s uh I think it’s 17
01:13:17 brings out it’s a commandment as in that
01:13:19 it is a sin not to do it. Okay.
01:13:22 >> Oh no.
01:13:23 >> Punishments are a consequence of you
01:13:27 committing a sin. Right.
01:13:30 >> Aka being disobedient.
01:13:32 >> Yeah. Yeah. So 17 and it came and it
01:13:36 shall be that who shall or not come up
01:13:40 of all the families of earth. So,
01:13:42 everyone of the whole world that doesn’t
01:13:47 celebrate tabernacles
01:13:49 unto uh here’s Jerusalem. I’m going to
01:13:53 say new Jerusalem because Jerusalem
01:13:55 means foundation
01:13:56 >> and during the millennium it is Zion or
01:13:58 the new Jerusalem. But anyways, um to
01:14:01 worship the king Yahweh of hosts of
01:14:05 heaven. Yeah, I added a little bit but
01:14:07 that’s that’s what it’s going off of.
01:14:09 Even upon that shall be no rain.
01:14:12 >> They’re going to get punished.
01:14:14 >> Yeah, that’s a punishment. They’re not
01:14:16 going to be able to get rain to have
01:14:18 their crops to grow. Okay.
01:14:21 >> Yep.
01:14:23 >> Okay.
01:14:24 >> Uh and then it just goes off more along
01:14:27 this lines of no
01:14:29 >> no rain, no nothing. Yahweh will smit
01:14:32 smitten the heathen, those who don’t
01:14:35 worship the right way, that do not keep
01:14:37 the feast of tabernacles.
01:14:40 Uh, and he shall punish Egypt.
01:14:42 >> There shall be there shall be plague.
01:14:45 There shall be punishments. There shall
01:14:47 be no rain.
01:14:49 >> That don’t keep the feast of
01:14:53 >> So this all about
01:14:56 >> So if you don’t observe tabernacles,
01:14:57 you’re screwed.
01:14:59 >> Yeah. Yeah. Egypt is symb scripturally
01:15:03 and prophetically of USA where Zion or
01:15:06 the new Jerusalem is. So I can see why
01:15:09 there’s some focus there. Right.
01:15:11 >> Right. Right.
01:15:12 >> And then all the world. Right. Right.
01:15:16 >> But anyways, uh John had a thought while
01:15:19 we were paused that kind of led from
01:15:21 this to answer Josh’s question. So where
01:15:24 would you like me to go John?
01:15:28 All right. So firstly, the insight that
01:15:32 Yahweh gave me inspiration in the m
01:15:34 moment was the fact that Steven went to
01:15:37 verse 16 and the key word was
01:15:40 tabernacles.
01:15:42 And then it brought to mind, oh wait,
01:15:45 let’s go to Mosaiah chapter 3
01:15:50 because Mosaiah chapter 3
01:15:53 is King Benjamin’s address where he’s
01:15:57 telling his people about the coming
01:16:01 Messiah.
01:16:03 >> Now with him with the coming of the
01:16:07 Messiah verse three uh chapter 3 verse
01:16:10 5. Okay.
01:16:13 >> Three verse five.
01:16:14 >> Three verse five. I’m sorry my internet
01:16:16 may be a little laggy. I’m sorry.
01:16:19 All right. So, let’s go to verse uh
01:16:21 verse five. Josh, you want to read that
01:16:23 for me, please?
01:16:25 >> Sure. For behold, the time cometh, and
01:16:28 is not far distant, that with power
01:16:32 Yahweh, the Yahweh omnipotent, who
01:16:35 reignth, who was and is from all
01:16:37 eternity to all eternity, shall come
01:16:40 down from heaven among the children of
01:16:42 men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of
01:16:45 clay, and shall go forth amongst men,
01:16:48 working mighty miracles,
01:16:51 such as healing the sick,
01:16:54 raising the dead,
01:16:56 causing the lame to walk, the blind to
01:16:59 receive their sight, and the deaf to
01:17:01 hear, and curing all manner of diseases.
01:17:07 >> Okay.
01:17:07 >> So, I thought to myself with this verse,
01:17:11 he is brought, he shall dwell in a
01:17:16 tabernacle of clay. Now, let’s go to
01:17:22 uh Alma chapter 7 and we’re going to go
01:17:26 to verse 8.
01:17:33 Okay. In verse eight, I’ll read this
01:17:36 uh once you’re there. I’m sorry, my
01:17:40 internet’s bad, so I may not know when
01:17:42 you’re there.
01:17:42 >> I’m there.
01:17:43 >> Okay. All right. Behold, I do not say
01:17:47 that he will come among us at the time
01:17:49 of his dwelling in his mortal
01:17:52 tabernacle. This is mortal spirit and
01:17:58 body together.
01:18:00 >> Yeah.
01:18:02 >> I I I I do say this. He uh during
01:18:05 mortality, he tabernacled.
01:18:09 >> Yes. Oh, we’re getting to that. We’re
01:18:11 getting to that.
01:18:11 >> Okay. Sorry.
01:18:12 >> In Roni. Don’t jump the gun yet.
01:18:15 >> I didn’t mean to.
01:18:19 >> You’re good, my guy. You’re good. It’s a
01:18:21 joke. It’s a joke.
01:18:23 >> Uh, for behold, the spirit hath not said
01:18:25 unto me that this should be the case.
01:18:27 Now, as to this thing, I do not know.
01:18:30 Well, this much I do know, that Yahweh
01:18:32 Elohim hath power to do all things which
01:18:36 are according to his word. Now we go to
01:18:41 Moroni chapter 9 and we’re going to go
01:18:44 to verse 6.
01:18:47 >> Oh wow. I just had an amazing thought
01:18:49 based on this. This whole idea of our
01:18:52 bodies being the tabernacle
01:18:54 and the tabernacle is the is an earthly
01:18:59 thing in representation of a heavenly
01:19:02 thing.
01:19:03 >> Yep. That’s what I was getting at when I
01:19:05 said, “Oh, this ties back to the
01:19:08 tabernacle of the chosen
01:19:10 >> of the chosen congregation.” But
01:19:11 anyways, or the
01:19:13 >> to go along with to go along with Ben’s
01:19:15 thought.
01:19:17 >> Well, go ahead, Ben.
01:19:20 And this also goes along with why it is
01:19:24 so so important that we eat food and not
01:19:32 what is not food.
01:19:35 >> Care for this tabernacle.
01:19:38 So for those of
01:19:39 >> this tabernacle,
01:19:44 >> I I I do want to interject real quick
01:19:45 because not everybody understands what
01:19:48 Ben means by not food. He’s talking
01:19:51 about biblical kosher law, not orthodox
01:19:55 Jew
01:19:57 or kosher law. There are differences.
01:20:00 Okay. Um
01:20:02 >> fairly big differences, but anyways.
01:20:04 Yeah. Anyways, but uh and this also goes
01:20:08 along with some of the answers that
01:20:09 build
01:20:11 >> to build up and honor to build. Yeah,
01:20:14 it’s to about building up and honoring
01:20:17 the tabernacle that Yahw built for us
01:20:20 with
01:20:22 >> his hands. With his own hands.
01:20:30 >> Are you done with your thought, Ben?
01:20:34 Uh, our internet is really bad. I’m
01:20:38 sorry.
01:20:38 >> Okay. So, are you do Can you hear me?
01:20:42 >> Yeah. Yeah. Is Ben done with this
01:20:43 thought?
01:20:43 >> Are we breaking up?
01:20:45 >> No.
01:20:46 >> No, you’re fine. Is Ben done with his
01:20:48 thought?
01:20:51 >> Yes.
01:20:52 >> Yes. Okay. So, to go along with Ben’s
01:20:55 thought,
01:20:55 >> boy,
01:20:55 >> they just fro they breaking up. They’re
01:20:58 breaking up.
01:20:59 >> We’re breaking up.
01:21:00 >> Okay. to go along with Ben’s thought is
01:21:03 how uh you have the tabernacle of clay
01:21:08 or cloth
01:21:11 and then a tabernacle of stone or
01:21:14 something
01:21:16 permanent.
01:21:18 >> Oh boy, they just dropped their internet
01:21:21 cut out.
01:21:22 >> Let’s pause for just a minute. See if
01:21:24 they come back.
01:21:25 >> Yep. Yep. Nobody say anything
01:21:28 until I read finish reading the verse.
01:21:31 >> Okay, go ahead and read it.
01:21:32 >> And okay, I’m going to read verse 6 of
01:21:34 Moroni chapter 9. And now, behold, my
01:21:38 beloved son, notwithstanding their
01:21:40 hardness, let us labor diligently. For
01:21:42 if we should cease to labor, we should
01:21:45 be brought under condemnation.
01:21:49 For we have a labor to perform wildst in
01:21:52 this tabernacle of clay that we may
01:21:56 conquer the enemy of all righteousness
01:21:59 and rest our souls in the kingdom of
01:22:03 Elohim.
01:22:05 The name of the combination of the body
01:22:10 and the soul is the tabernacle which
01:22:14 gives added emphasis to the idea
01:22:19 of the feast of tabernacles.
01:22:22 Not just being Yeshua taking on a
01:22:24 tabernacle of clay, but all men taking
01:22:29 on a tabernacle of clay.
01:22:32 >> Okay. So I I I do want to clarify just a
01:22:35 little bit and I believe this is what
01:22:36 John means. He can tell me if it’s not
01:22:39 if it’s not uh the combination of soul
01:22:44 or spirit or intelligence with the
01:22:47 physical body would be tabernacled.
01:22:50 >> Yes.
01:22:50 >> Because the tabernacle is the actual
01:22:53 physical body. But I’m we’re turning
01:22:56 it’s tabernacled
01:22:59 they’re together
01:23:01 >> and um and these two verses or a couple
01:23:04 of these verses brought of clay which
01:23:07 would be mortality or there was one that
01:23:09 said mortal tabernacle meaning there is
01:23:13 a non-mortal tabernacle. Right.
01:23:16 >> Yes.
01:23:17 >> Or a tabernacle that’s not clay or maybe
01:23:21 maybe stone. Just throwing something out
01:23:23 there. Right. But anyways,
01:23:25 >> right about to go with
01:23:26 >> Oh, wait a minute. Oh, wait a minute. A
01:23:29 new idea. A new idea based on that idea.
01:23:32 The tabernacle of stone written upon the
01:23:35 the law written upon our hearts. The
01:23:37 tabernacle, the stone.
01:23:40 >> Oh, yeah. That makes sense.
01:23:42 >> Well,
01:23:44 well, I think that pretty much answered
01:23:47 my question.
01:23:51 Yeah, I think that worked out pretty
01:23:54 well. Josh felt impressed to do that
01:23:57 chapter. We did something
01:24:01 that led into the question and then led
01:24:03 into the answer, right?
01:24:06 >> Yeah.
01:24:07 >> Yeah.
01:24:09 >> Yep.
01:24:10 >> Yes.
01:24:11 >> Yep. Yep. And when you
01:24:14 when you consider that the tabernacle
01:24:19 is an earthly shadow of heavenly things,
01:24:23 this tabernacle of clay that we live in
01:24:26 is but an earthly shadow of that which
01:24:29 will be with us
01:24:33 after the resurrection.
01:24:35 >> Yes.
01:24:37 There there’s multiple ways in the
01:24:38 scriptures that has this illusion that
01:24:40 Brienne is bringing out that
01:24:44 um that the resurrected body will be
01:24:50 perfected from the mortal body,
01:24:54 >> right?
01:24:58 >> Things like that. So
01:25:00 >> those scriptures are that those are
01:25:01 found throughout the scriptures, Bible,
01:25:04 Book of Mormon,
01:25:06 >> everywhere.
01:25:07 >> Yeah. Including one of uh the tabernacle
01:25:10 being upgraded to a temple or tabernacle
01:25:14 of cloth. All right. Degradable cloth up
01:25:19 to a temple of stone,
01:25:22 >> right?
01:25:23 >> Yep.
01:25:23 >> Yeah.
01:25:24 >> Uh it’s pretty permanent. I Yeah.
01:25:28 Anyways,
01:25:30 >> so it’s still not a perfect illusion,
01:25:32 but it is still pretty good, right?
01:25:35 >> Yeah. Well, I feel like that answered my
01:25:38 question, so I’m I’m good.
01:25:42 >> Yeah. And Tabernacle does a lot better
01:25:44 than something like liner or something
01:25:48 or of course brunch, right?
01:25:50 >> Yeah. Much better than liner or brunch.
01:25:53 Yes, I agree. Yes.
01:26:01 Yeah, I I like tabernacled because uh
01:26:05 it’s the tabernacle.
01:26:08 We’ll be tabernacled of stone later,
01:26:10 right? So,
01:26:12 >> Amen.
01:26:13 >> Amen.
01:26:14 >> That’s part of Hey, guess what, Stephen?
01:26:17 That’s another part of becoming.
01:26:21 >> That’s why the tuckle.
01:26:23 >> Okay. So, I don’t say yes and no. And
01:26:26 the reason I will say yes and no is
01:26:28 because that is a guarantee to all the
01:26:31 family of Adam. Period.
01:26:33 >> That’s true.
01:26:34 >> That’s true. You’re right. You’re right.
01:26:36 It’s not guarant It’s not necessarily
01:26:38 guaranteed. But if you do
01:26:40 >> No, it is guaranteed that we’ll be
01:26:41 resurrected. It’s just not a guarantee
01:26:44 where we’ll go after the resurrection.
01:26:47 >> That’s true. Resurrected,
01:26:50 >> right? Um but I and as I mentioned
01:26:54 before um
01:26:57 it is needed
01:26:59 exactly why I’m not 100% sure yet but I
01:27:02 I have some
01:27:05 ideas that kind of maybe help help with
01:27:08 that idea but uh and
01:27:14 so marriage is um
01:27:18 symbolic of being in a celestial
01:27:22 covenant with Yahweh or as in
01:27:24 sanctified. Okay.
01:27:26 >> Yep.
01:27:26 >> Yes.
01:27:27 >> Where engagement is symbolic of uh
01:27:31 justification. Okay.
01:27:34 Because you’ve started that process.
01:27:37 Right? Now the question is are you going
01:27:38 to keep going along with it? Um
01:27:40 >> right. Are you are you going to go past
01:27:42 s uh past justification and strive for
01:27:45 sanctification?
01:27:46 >> Right? So you can actually be with them.
01:27:48 Right? Not just
01:27:52 >> not just say I did not just say I did
01:27:55 the feel good part.
01:27:57 >> Not just say I did the good I did the
01:27:59 feelood part. Now are you going to do
01:28:01 the actual work?
01:28:02 >> Right? Because in in uh Hebrew
01:28:06 uh thought and in the scriptures when
01:28:10 you’re engaged you’re basically married
01:28:13 without
01:28:15 the benefits of marriage for lack of
01:28:17 another way of putting it. Right.
01:28:19 >> Yeah. Yeah. Mhm.
01:28:20 >> Um a and and so that also goes along how
01:28:24 you’re justified. You’re in the
01:28:26 covenant.
01:28:27 >> You just don’t have those benefits of
01:28:30 seeing him.
01:28:32 >> Right.
01:28:33 >> Right.
01:28:34 >> Yeah.
01:28:34 >> Right. And so they kind of go together.
01:28:37 Um, and so what I was getting at with
01:28:40 this marriage idea, uh, the marriage
01:28:43 covenant is about sanctification.
01:28:45 And
01:28:50 especially when you’re married to the
01:28:52 right person, right, and you’re both
01:28:54 striving to be uh, righteous followers
01:28:58 of Yahweh, especially towards each
01:29:01 other. Um it is a glorious thing but to
01:29:05 really
01:29:07 um
01:29:09 you need a physical body to completely
01:29:10 enjoy marriage.
01:29:13 >> Uh I would agree.
01:29:15 >> Yes.
01:29:16 >> And we’ll leave it at that.
01:29:18 >> Yes. And so I’m just trying to use that
01:29:20 as a another possible illusion to show
01:29:23 why it’s important. Right.
01:29:26 >> Right.
01:29:27 >> Yeah. it it and
01:29:30 this is part of the problem of doing
01:29:32 things in the moment. You’re not always
01:29:34 fully prepared. But I do think overall
01:29:37 we do pretty well, right?
01:29:40 >> Yes. I I agree.
01:29:43 >> Yep.
01:29:44 >> But it does sound like
01:29:47 >> Go ahead, Ben.
01:29:50 You got to see us in real time
01:29:54 find
01:29:56 an answer through the spirit,
01:30:00 the word
01:30:03 to a problem that we had.
01:30:07 >> Yeah. Uh Yahweh uh inspired John in this
01:30:11 case uh because
01:30:14 he inspires all of us.
01:30:17 Mhm.
01:30:18 >> So,
01:30:19 >> amen.
01:30:21 >> It’s a question if you’re willing to
01:30:23 listen when he wants to uh use you for
01:30:27 whatever reason, right?
01:30:29 >> Yeah.
01:30:30 >> Well, I will say this. Thank you.
01:30:33 >> And the thing is is I was just getting
01:30:35 really
01:30:38 >> Yeah. I I I John wanted to find an
01:30:40 answer for Josh. That’s probably why
01:30:44 actually that is probably a big reason
01:30:46 why it it came through John cuz John
01:30:50 really wanted to help. I there’s been
01:30:52 other things when I’ve wanted to help
01:30:54 other people.
01:30:55 >> It Yahweh gave me answers to help that
01:30:58 person. I I wasn’t too worried about it.
01:31:01 I’ll open and honest, right? I just said
01:31:03 I don’t know.
01:31:04 >> Well, for you for you that wasn’t that
01:31:07 wasn’t top of your priority list. It was
01:31:09 an It was a question, but it No, and I
01:31:12 get it. And that’s
01:31:15 But for John, that was He was like, “No,
01:31:19 dang it. Josh deserves an answer.”
01:31:23 >> Yeah.
01:31:24 >> Yeah. And and I’m just I’m bringing out
01:31:26 how uh a lot of times when
01:31:30 Yahweh uses someone, it’s someone who
01:31:32 cares and wants to help with it, not
01:31:35 someone
01:31:37 >> that’s not worried about it like I
01:31:39 wasn’t.
01:31:40 >> Right. Right. Right. Right. And and
01:31:42 that’s fine.
01:31:44 But yes, I I I appreciate it. Thank you
01:31:47 very much.
01:31:50 >> Okay. Well, I think that’s what we have
01:31:51 for today. We actually did a little more
01:31:53 than we initially expected. Uh though,
01:31:56 but those who listen to these
01:31:58 recordings, what a surprise, right?
01:32:00 >> Yes.
01:32:01 >> Yes.
01:32:02 >> Thought a surprise.
01:32:06 >> You think that’s important just because
01:32:10 >> we go over we go by Moroni 6:9, right?
01:32:15 >> Yep.
01:32:16 uh and by the power of the Holy Ghost or
01:32:19 spirit. For as the power of the Holy
01:32:21 Ghost led them whether to preach, exhort
01:32:23 or to pray or supplicate or sing or even
01:32:27 it was done meaning it was inspired by
01:32:30 the Holy Spirit to what to focus on.
01:32:34 >> Yep. Yep.
01:32:35 >> Right.
01:32:36 >> Hey, so conducted the church after the
01:32:39 manning of the workings of the spirit.
01:32:41 So, um, meaning not for planned by man
01:32:45 years in advance. So, anyways, go ahead,
01:32:47 John.
01:32:48 >> Hey, so Stephen, Stephen, real quick.
01:32:51 >> So, uh, we uh, funny enough, we got the
01:32:55 answer on uh, Josh’s question
01:32:59 through Moroni 96, the direct inverse of
01:33:05 >> the inverse.
01:33:06 >> That is kind of funny, huh?
01:33:11 That is ironic. That is
01:33:15 >> I I don’t think that’s inspired. I think
01:33:17 that’s coincidence because those are
01:33:19 dumb.
01:33:20 >> Oh, it’s straight up coincidence. Oh,
01:33:21 it’s straight up co and Pratt did not
01:33:25 always follow the the chapter.
01:33:30 >> That’s that’s more than a little ironic
01:33:32 >> chapters within the Book of Mormon
01:33:34 plates. So, but it is funny, right?
01:33:37 >> Oh, it is. It is.
01:33:39 Oh man.
01:33:41 >> All right.
01:33:42 >> Well, guys, our computer is our our
01:33:45 network connection is breaking down a
01:33:47 little. So, if we c if we could go ahead
01:33:50 and finish the recording, um that would
01:33:53 be that would be nice if we’re done. If
01:33:55 we’re at that point.
01:33:56 >> Yeah, we’re done. 12 it.