Scripture Study 2022-12-23

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Sacrament means oat / covenant. LDS D&C 59, which is about the sabbath, was given on lunar sabbath. Explaining YHWH’s Lunisolar calendar. Talk about changes the Julian / Georgian that man has done, showing it’s not YHWH’s calendar. In the scriptures there are three types of days, on the Julian / Georgian there are only two types of days. Show my SeekingYHWH LuniSolar Calendar app which I am updating to make faster. The only people who take New Moon Day completely seriously is Lunarsabitorians because it is an non-work day and a worship day. The scriptures, and history, tell us of the lunar cycle change which happened in the fourth millennium right in line with the creation prophecy. The Book of Mormon and Bible tells us the day of the moon starts at sunrise. The SEAL of YHWH vs the Mark of the Beast. Joseph Smith did not restore everything. Joseph Smith is NOT the Mighty and Strong one. Additional revelation can not contradict a previous revelation. If you think God needs man to fix the calendar, then you have the wrong God. Discuss a belief I have regarding Abraham offering Issac.

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00:00:00 so
00:00:02 uh before we maybe do the other thought
00:00:05 that I kind of
00:00:06 mentioned a little bit on to let your
00:00:09 appetite
00:00:10 I’m not saying too much I do want to
00:00:13 look at one thing so okay uh actually
00:00:16 probably better go up here
00:00:18 um because I was thinking about this
00:00:19 this week some
00:00:22 and that’s through the sacrament and so
00:00:25 since we just
00:00:27 blessed it it’s probably a good time
00:00:29 okay oh yeah yeah
00:00:31 and so if
00:00:37 that’s awesome
00:00:39 wait sorry what yeah I just see you have
00:00:42 a tab on your Matrix oh yeah
00:00:46 um anyways anyway that’s just that’s
00:00:50 that’s just squirrel I’m sorry yeah I’ve
00:00:54 done a lot of things and some of them
00:00:56 if I was really worried about it I would
00:00:59 go update them because some of them was
00:01:01 you know notes and thoughts of how I was
00:01:03 before where I’m I’m not there now but
00:01:05 this
00:01:07 uh I give it out so people can go look
00:01:10 at it I don’t think too many do because
00:01:12 it’s online I give a link to it on my
00:01:14 Resource page yeah I know some people
00:01:16 have gone through and looked at it but
00:01:18 at the same time it even though I give
00:01:20 it out it’d probably be hard because you
00:01:21 have to know what keywords to look for
00:01:23 all right yeah exactly um anyways so
00:01:29 one thing I’ve always wondered about uh
00:01:32 because dc89 is
00:01:34 says sacraments plural all right
00:01:38 we’re talking about it I’m gonna put it
00:01:40 in make it obvious
00:01:42 um and it’s not the only one that makes
00:01:44 it plural
00:01:45 uh
00:01:47 this one’s plural
00:01:50 59.9 guess what that’s
00:01:53 um the one on the Lord’s day this
00:01:56 happened right
00:01:59 um
00:02:00 bullet pluralities
00:02:02 right and so I vote what are the
00:02:04 sacraments and I’ve always kind of like
00:02:06 uh because people will list things off
00:02:09 right because the Catholics
00:02:11 list eight I’ve looked at them like on
00:02:14 one’s marriage birth death
00:02:17 baptism community
00:02:20 and things of that nature and I’m just
00:02:22 I’m not too impressed with those lists
00:02:24 to be honest
00:02:26 but and I’ve looked at the dictionary
00:02:28 before and it just never really clicked
00:02:31 it and maybe partly because of the
00:02:33 discussion last week I went to the
00:02:34 dictionary again and
00:02:38 that really stuck out
00:02:40 oh yes so ceremony producing an
00:02:44 obligation
00:02:46 which
00:02:48 that is what what we typically call the
00:02:51 sacrament but it’s not the only
00:02:53 sacrament
00:02:54 right baptism’s a Sacrament because it’s
00:02:58 in for it’s a witness of an oath AKA
00:03:01 Covenant because oath and Covenant is
00:03:03 the same thing
00:03:04 yeah I I and I see that in the Book of
00:03:07 Mormon they use the words oath and
00:03:09 Covenant interchangeably in the Book of
00:03:11 Mormon
00:03:13 um
00:03:14 if you want I I might have scriptures on
00:03:17 that I can’t remember if I anyways we I
00:03:19 can do with my tool if you want oh and
00:03:21 then there’s oh this one down here is
00:03:22 really cool to buy an obligation
00:03:25 background down here verb transitive
00:03:27 bind by an oath all the way down at the
00:03:30 bottom of that yeah uh this one right
00:03:32 and that’s what the Covenant is and
00:03:36 the the what we typically call Sacrament
00:03:39 in the restoration that’s if you look at
00:03:41 the prayers it is right yeah
00:03:46 um but so is baptism
00:03:48 or any type of oath and so to me
00:03:52 the answer to this is what what are the
00:03:54 sacraments
00:03:57 it’s when you make the Covenant
00:03:59 with Yahweh that’s what it is ah and
00:04:03 there’s multiple ways to do that so the
00:04:06 Sabbath is for entering is for entering
00:04:09 into Covenant that makes sense actually
00:04:10 right and so along these audiences we
00:04:13 talked about rebaptism love before
00:04:14 recording
00:04:17 um I don’t think it needs to be but
00:04:20 right now
00:04:21 and with this little study I did on it
00:04:24 throughout the you know this last week
00:04:26 I think the best day to do that is on a
00:04:29 Sabbath
00:04:31 I don’t think it needs to be
00:04:33 but if you could pick a day
00:04:35 every baptism I’ve ever done every
00:04:37 baptism I’ve ever done has been honest
00:04:38 sounds
00:04:40 uh well that’s because the LDS
00:04:42 Traditions my re-baptisms weren’t on
00:04:45 Sunday
00:04:47 which is well yeah uh well yeah
00:04:52 they’ve been on the wrong Sabbath but
00:04:54 yeah they’ve been on set they’ve been on
00:04:56 ASAP well the the the the rebaptisms
00:05:00 I’ve done I I I don’t think they were
00:05:03 done on a lunar Sabbath I would I didn’t
00:05:05 worry about it at that I mean doing it
00:05:07 at that time yeah
00:05:09 my my last three baptism I wasn’t
00:05:12 worried about it at that point it wasn’t
00:05:15 even on my radar
00:05:17 sure sure
00:05:18 um my first one it definitely wasn’t my
00:05:21 second one it was but
00:05:23 um
00:05:24 but I didn’t worry about it but looking
00:05:26 at these scriptures right let’s go look
00:05:29 at them
00:05:30 um can you read it since I’m eating too
00:05:32 yeah that’s the best more fully keep
00:05:36 thyself on spotted from the world Thou
00:05:38 shalt go up to the house of prayer and
00:05:40 offer up thy sacraments oats covenants
00:05:43 upon my Holy Ghost which that is seven
00:05:49 right yep
00:05:51 foreign
00:05:53 I’m not saying that it has to be that
00:05:55 day but I think that’s showing a
00:05:58 preference to have it done on that day
00:06:00 well I think that it’s more effective on
00:06:03 I think it would be more effective on
00:06:04 that day just based on the um the idea
00:06:07 that
00:06:10 on the Sabbath
00:06:13 the gateway to Heaven is open
00:06:16 as for sure this is a point in time but
00:06:19 um
00:06:20 at the same time
00:06:22 um it acts
00:06:24 let’s forget the names but the one that
00:06:25 was reading Isaiah on a chariot and then
00:06:28 when the apostles came by and then oh
00:06:30 yeah
00:06:32 so I don’t think it has to be
00:06:35 [Music]
00:06:38 um I’m just thinking that it would be
00:06:41 a really effective time to do it right
00:06:43 right I I completely on the Sabbath you
00:06:47 could
00:06:48 as per my presentation on the thing on
00:06:51 the Sabbath you can approach the uh you
00:06:54 can approach the throne of God with
00:06:56 confidence
00:06:58 if you are obeying his law
00:07:01 right
00:07:04 so to go along with this
00:07:07 um like because the part of baptism
00:07:10 right
00:07:12 uh is witnessing that you’ve repented of
00:07:16 your sins now look at this uh 59 12.
00:07:20 that’s part of that process confessions
00:07:23 under thy brethren and before the Lord
00:07:26 yeah that’s showing that you’ve repented
00:07:29 to the church right
00:07:30 so are we talking about like public
00:07:33 confession uh uh
00:07:36 so personally at this point I would say
00:07:39 no
00:07:40 I would use the example of Alma the
00:07:43 younger it’s to the people that you’ve
00:07:45 sinned to or against yeah that’s yeah
00:07:48 that’s that’s my thoughts on that I
00:07:50 don’t believe that’s I don’t believe
00:07:51 that’s about public profession right
00:07:53 right it’s not about standing up it’s
00:07:55 not about grandstanding on your sins
00:07:57 it’s about
00:07:59 uh going and doing saying sorry to those
00:08:03 that you’ve sinned against and doing
00:08:06 what you can to fix it
00:08:09 um
00:08:09 I I don’t think it’s like going out with
00:08:12 the public at the and saying I’ve done
00:08:14 this now
00:08:15 I I do think it’s okay if someone you
00:08:18 didn’t sin against but they need some
00:08:21 help and repenting themselves on
00:08:23 something that you’ve done yourself I
00:08:25 think it’s fine to bring up your
00:08:27 repentance that you’ve done on something
00:08:28 to help
00:08:29 someone bring them to repentance
00:08:32 but I don’t think it’s something you
00:08:34 just go out and broadcasting
00:08:37 to everybody well yeah but if the
00:08:41 occasion comes up or would help someone
00:08:43 I think it’s appropriate to bring it up
00:08:45 yeah I I can see that one
00:08:49 [Music]
00:08:49 um
00:08:50 so anyways
00:08:53 um but that you know because that’s part
00:08:55 of the the big Covenant that most people
00:08:58 know about or witness of the Covenant of
00:09:00 baptism that’s part of it right yes
00:09:03 in fact Moroni six brings it out I think
00:09:06 mosai 18
00:09:09 and there’s another one uh 35
00:09:14 uh I’m thinking 18 but I don’t think
00:09:17 that’s it I think there’s somewhere else
00:09:19 my memory is a little vague on that one
00:09:21 but anyways well I know that 18 is one
00:09:25 of the chapters where people are getting
00:09:26 baptized uh Mosaic 18 35 18 is more
00:09:30 Sacrament though but yeah but but right
00:09:34 at the very beginning there’s baptism in
00:09:36 people getting baptized with fire in the
00:09:37 Holy Ghost
00:09:39 chapter that part but I don’t want to
00:09:42 Sidetrack from that right now yeah no
00:09:43 that’s yeah that’s neither
00:09:49 anyways I didn’t but the big thing is do
00:09:52 you see 59 is about the Sabbath right
00:09:57 you I think I’ve told you this it was
00:09:59 given on a lunar Sabbath
00:10:04 um it’s on my Sabbath page that maybe
00:10:06 since I’m just saying it I’ll show it
00:10:08 real quick
00:10:10 um let’s get it ready because I have a
00:10:12 little picture I should probably replace
00:10:14 the old picture that I have there with a
00:10:16 picture from my app instead of someone
00:10:17 else’s app
00:10:20 it’s just that might help
00:10:23 um I I like my app bar of course I will
00:10:27 well I’ve I’ve found it to be I’ve found
00:10:30 it to be whole and I’ve found it to be
00:10:31 wholly reliable uh yeah and
00:10:34 um yeah I I think there’s multiple
00:10:36 things so it’s more accurate because
00:10:38 this one uh goes by 29 and a half days
00:10:42 after the lunar cycle where mine
00:10:44 actually does the 29.2 to 29.9
00:10:48 um it’s just most people do 29.5 because
00:10:51 the math is easier YX
00:10:53 plus b right why math why math oh well
00:10:57 anyways but the other thing I like about
00:11:01 mine is it has the both calendars it
00:11:04 shows the dates for both calendars the
00:11:06 Gagarin and the lunar solar yeah well
00:11:09 the really cool thing here that I see
00:11:12 is the lunar Sabbath
00:11:15 followed by the new moon day yeah that’s
00:11:19 a really significant day
00:11:22 yes
00:11:23 for a revelation of that nature
00:11:26 uh oh sure I I can see that because
00:11:28 they’re both Lords they’re both the
00:11:30 Lord’s Day right yeah
00:11:32 that’s a good point I hadn’t thought
00:11:34 about that
00:11:37 um
00:11:39 okay well
00:11:41 um unless you want to say some more on
00:11:42 that one
00:11:43 um
00:11:45 I think that’s I think that’s something
00:11:47 I think we can just leave people leave
00:11:49 that with people to mull over sure uh
00:11:52 and it’s interesting
00:11:54 um so in definition two there’s Oaths
00:11:58 and obligations but I mean that one’s
00:12:01 probably
00:12:03 um pretty easy to see but I went and got
00:12:04 the dictionary of obligations hi Charles
00:12:06 uh we’re recording
00:12:09 um
00:12:10 but here
00:12:11 it kind of brings in the same thing
00:12:13 about it being an oath just saying it a
00:12:17 different way right The Binding power of
00:12:19 a vowel a vowel is an O it’s a promise
00:12:22 and this is how you bind
00:12:25 to it auth or contract
00:12:29 um The Binding source is civilly
00:12:31 kindness gratitude
00:12:35 um
00:12:36 uh by active which a person becomes
00:12:38 bound to do something to or for another
00:12:41 for bear in fact this to me Summit
00:12:45 reminds me of the Ten Commandments
00:12:49 to take his name upon us because that’s
00:12:53 kind of the bounding binding power of it
00:12:55 oh
00:12:58 so uh I’m gonna pause for a minute
00:13:05 so
00:13:07 um do you to start off do you have a
00:13:09 specific question that you want to ask
00:13:11 on it or should I Ben and I just kind of
00:13:13 go off because we’re both on the same
00:13:15 page on the calendar
00:13:17 yeah what I want to know is for someone
00:13:21 who is a rookie
00:13:24 um is there a simplified it could be a
00:13:27 very complicated uh matter trying to
00:13:30 figure out what isn’t the accurate
00:13:33 calendar what is the correct calendar to
00:13:35 use if you’re trying to
00:13:38 um follow Old Testament
00:13:40 um appointed times for sure yeah and so
00:13:43 is there a uh is is there a more uh
00:13:46 something reliable more reliable
00:13:49 um and something that a layperson
00:13:51 can understand so
00:13:56 um unless Ben has something that pops in
00:13:58 his head I think a very important thing
00:14:01 that I hope I see that can help
00:14:04 people grasp but the the Julian and
00:14:08 Gregorian calendar is not yahweh’s
00:14:10 calendar is the fact that in the
00:14:12 scriptures there’s three types of days
00:14:15 versus on the Julian and Gregorian
00:14:18 calendar there’s only two types of days
00:14:20 and so we could start there and this Ben
00:14:23 has a thought pop into his head
00:14:26 that’s a good place to start yeah so
00:14:30 um let’s go
00:14:32 so this this is my calendar tab
00:14:34 uh I’ll play I’m sharing my OneNote
00:14:36 right
00:14:37 I have a lot on this it’s been an
00:14:41 important subject for me
00:14:44 um
00:14:45 and I actually was working on updating
00:14:47 my app for it
00:14:49 um some today also because I have a
00:14:51 Android app for it it’s a little so slow
00:14:54 at startup and I fixed that and I was
00:14:57 doing some other little improvements
00:14:58 that I hope to push so people can have
00:15:02 have the faster apps uh probably I’ll
00:15:06 have it done in a week and maybe
00:15:09 it’ll then be pushed to the people in a
00:15:11 week after that so maybe about two weeks
00:15:13 but anyways
00:15:14 um but uh a big thing is there’s three
00:15:18 types of days in the scriptures
00:15:22 there’s work days
00:15:25 and then there’s the Sabbath and so
00:15:28 those are two that we have on the
00:15:30 Gregorian calendar right some people
00:15:32 call it weekend and work days but it’s
00:15:34 basically work days and Sabbath okay
00:15:37 because six days of work
00:15:40 and then the Sabbath
00:15:42 now the third type that most people
00:15:45 don’t know about
00:15:46 or even if they do they just kind of
00:15:50 push it off to the side or they don’t
00:15:52 take it real seriously is New Moon day
00:15:56 and this is like a big deal in fact
00:15:59 Isaiah 66 is about the coming Kingdom
00:16:05 it’s it’s prophecy okay
00:16:07 it’s about uh the millenniums and you’ll
00:16:11 see this in other verses and we can look
00:16:12 at where it talks about it even just
00:16:15 during normal times it’s not just
00:16:17 prophecy but some people claim well
00:16:19 that’s for the past but here’s Isaiah
00:16:21 66. in fact um this is an interesting
00:16:25 verse because sdas Seventh-Day advents
00:16:29 they’ll use this verse
00:16:31 but not completely and I’ll show you the
00:16:34 part I’ll just read it and then we can
00:16:35 talk about it okay
00:16:36 Isaiah 66 23 and it shall come to pass
00:16:40 that from one new moon to another and
00:16:44 from one Sabbath to another length
00:16:50 no I I have Mom to help you okay
00:16:56 interesting
00:16:58 and okay sorry about that and from one
00:17:02 Sabbath to another shall All Flesh come
00:17:05 to worship me saith Yahweh
00:17:08 so did you catch there’s two different
00:17:11 types of days in that verse
00:17:15 there is Sabbath and that’s what the
00:17:18 sdas love to focus on
00:17:20 the part they will try to get you to
00:17:23 don’t know what to do with they don’t
00:17:25 know I don’t know what to do with it is
00:17:27 New Moon to another
00:17:30 so this is New Moon day and so this is
00:17:33 the King James translation
00:17:35 um and we could go look at on Bible Hub
00:17:37 if you want but I would say a better
00:17:39 translation is from one new moon day to
00:17:42 another and from one Sabbath to another
00:17:44 All Flesh shall come and worship me
00:17:46 saith Yahweh
00:17:49 um so no matter what what you think new
00:17:52 moon is here
00:17:55 um if we start getting into more
00:17:57 calendar issues I think you’ll start to
00:17:58 agree that it’s a better translation
00:18:01 would be new moon day the new moon
00:18:04 but
00:18:05 um we’ll just start with that for now
00:18:07 but here we see two types of regular
00:18:11 worships okay weekly Sabbath and New
00:18:15 Moon day
00:18:17 on on the Gregorian calendar
00:18:20 there is nothing for New Moon day
00:18:22 nothing it’s just a normal day that just
00:18:24 happens to happen right
00:18:28 now interestingly the Julian Calendar’s
00:18:31 gone through multiple changes okay
00:18:35 um the first one to know about is it
00:18:37 used to be an eight day week
00:18:39 and not a seven day week and during
00:18:41 yeshua’s Mortal Ministry the Julian
00:18:43 calendar that Rome used was an eight day
00:18:46 week
00:18:47 um if that I think
00:18:52 now there’s several pictures yeah I I
00:18:55 might have that picture on this Resource
00:18:57 page
00:18:59 um
00:19:01 if not I’ll I’ll get it from my memes
00:19:08 no that’s okay so I those are ones about
00:19:11 how
00:19:12 they started differently but let me go
00:19:14 get the one that shows the eight days
00:19:16 but I do have articles on that resource
00:19:19 page I’ll give you the link to it
00:19:22 um
00:19:23 that we’ll talk about the eight days
00:19:29 um but let me get the picture
00:19:32 and then I’ll share it
00:19:41 [Music]
00:19:45 foreign
00:19:52 [Music]
00:19:57 so this is
00:19:59 uh Julian calendar
00:20:03 that was found during archeology now if
00:20:06 you look hard enough
00:20:08 uh you’ll see eight days so there’s a b
00:20:10 c
00:20:12 f g h that’s eight days
00:20:16 right
00:20:17 and that is the calendar that was being
00:20:19 used by Rome during yeshua’s Mortal
00:20:22 Ministry
00:20:25 eight day calendar
00:20:26 now
00:20:28 um let’s go to that Resource page
00:20:32 oh and
00:20:35 before uh oops wrong the screen silly
00:20:39 um
00:20:40 the Julian calendar
00:20:43 uh around 200 BC 200 to 300 BC
00:20:49 if I remember it correctly
00:20:51 stopped
00:20:52 going by the moon so they used to do
00:20:55 their
00:20:57 months by the moon but around 200 or 300
00:21:01 BC they stopped doing that
00:21:04 um
00:21:06 I forget also they used to have
00:21:08 non-count months I forget the date range
00:21:10 for that and this is where the Pontius
00:21:14 the head politician
00:21:17 and I’m emphasizing Pontius on purpose
00:21:20 um would use those no non-count months
00:21:23 to stay in power longer and so later in
00:21:27 history I forget which Pontius changed
00:21:30 this to where it they got rid of that
00:21:32 and just did they just added two months
00:21:35 to the calendar so that way the Pontius
00:21:37 wouldn’t have that power of control in
00:21:40 fact one time those non counts months
00:21:44 lasted it was Julius Caesar who actually
00:21:48 corrected the who actually corrected the
00:21:51 calendar that’s
00:21:53 why it’s not that’s why it became
00:21:55 referred to as the Julian calendar oh
00:21:58 okay
00:21:58 um but he he well
00:22:01 it still had problems because Gregorian
00:22:05 the Pope
00:22:07 Gregorian uh he fixed it more because
00:22:10 they’re going off of the solar instead
00:22:12 of the lunar solar and it had no
00:22:13 problems in fact just FYI
00:22:17 if you think yahweh’s calendar needs to
00:22:20 be fixed by men
00:22:22 you have a problem with your calendar
00:22:26 because if you go look at these calendar
00:22:28 histories just the Gregorian calendar
00:22:29 right from Julian to Gregorian that was
00:22:32 done
00:22:33 to fix the calendar
00:22:35 because the seasons were changing
00:22:39 with the they weren’t staying constant
00:22:42 with the calendar and that’s why they
00:22:44 changed it
00:22:45 and so
00:22:47 um did God forget about that
00:22:48 I don’t think so
00:22:52 um but with the way that it’s set up in
00:22:54 the scriptures to do it where they have
00:22:56 leap moons
00:22:58 it never had that problem
00:23:01 it’s just sadly the Jews stop completely
00:23:05 following it they kind of didn’t they
00:23:07 kind of didn’t because
00:23:09 um the popes the Catholic popes forced
00:23:13 the Jews to start adapting or adopting
00:23:17 the Gregorian calendar or die with By
00:23:20 The Sword so instead of standing up for
00:23:22 truth
00:23:23 they decided to give him and I have
00:23:26 quotes for that but anyways
00:23:28 um
00:23:30 oh yeah I was going to show the resource
00:23:32 page that even will show the current
00:23:36 calendar so
00:23:38 um
00:23:39 I think it was around 200
00:23:41 A.D they went from eight day week to
00:23:45 um seven day week
00:23:47 and I have no pictures from archeology
00:23:49 this is from a Roman bath house
00:23:52 where it shows the calendar and if you
00:23:55 look the sickle
00:23:58 that is Saturday
00:24:00 the week used to start with Saturday
00:24:04 so if
00:24:06 The Continuous seven day cycle is true
00:24:09 which is not
00:24:12 um you’ll not find any scriptural
00:24:15 reference right and you’ll actually I
00:24:17 can show you scriptural reference at
00:24:19 where that’s not the case but people
00:24:21 will claim that but they can’t show it
00:24:23 from anything they have nothing to show
00:24:26 that there’s a continuous seven day
00:24:28 count to Adam
00:24:30 nowhere they just claim it without any
00:24:32 proof they just say it because they need
00:24:34 to say it to keep them in fact on that
00:24:38 point
00:24:39 um if you want I there I have articles
00:24:42 in here in videos talking about uh
00:24:45 issues that have happened with the
00:24:47 International Date Line when that date
00:24:50 line has moved multiple times for the
00:24:52 convenience of money
00:24:55 stas then have fights about oh should we
00:24:58 have it on Sunday or Saturday now
00:25:00 because do you keep the count or you do
00:25:02 the what’s on the wall
00:25:05 so even in today’s modern society
00:25:09 you there is no continuous seven day
00:25:12 count because there have been multiple
00:25:14 countries around the International Date
00:25:16 Line that that’s not true
00:25:20 they’ve it just
00:25:22 you can look in fairly recent history
00:25:25 like 50 years and maybe even less than
00:25:27 that but they’ve had problems
00:25:31 um but anyways I I don’t know the date
00:25:32 range off for those off topic so so is
00:25:35 the uh
00:25:36 Divine calendar is it a seven day week
00:25:38 like it’s in the fourth Commandments
00:25:41 yeah it’s a seven day week
00:25:43 show that in fact
00:25:45 um
00:25:46 I I was working on my apps
00:25:51 show my app real quick
00:25:54 so I have two main modes in my app
00:25:58 the Gregorian mode because that’s what
00:26:00 everybody’s used to and I have two
00:26:02 numbers on here I have the Gregorian
00:26:04 date
00:26:05 and then I have the lunar solar date the
00:26:07 small number or for this view or talk
00:26:12 I’m going to go
00:26:14 there we go I’m going to go to the lunar
00:26:16 solar mode
00:26:19 and so you’ll see here you’ll see the
00:26:22 three types of days
00:26:24 you have the work week okay
00:26:30 the Moon is the second
00:26:33 it’s always the second because the other
00:26:37 type of day is New Moon day and you’ll
00:26:40 have that always the first of the Moon
00:26:42 and then because of the lunar cycle
00:26:45 variation that right that we have
00:26:47 started around 700 BC which I have
00:26:51 resources on that if you want to get
00:26:53 into that issue sometimes there’s a 30th
00:26:58 and sometimes there’s only 29 okay
00:27:02 and
00:27:04 the reason I believe it’s not shorter is
00:27:07 so that way we’d have the force at us so
00:27:09 Yahweh made sure it didn’t get any more
00:27:11 modified than that so that way we would
00:27:13 have the force on us because he’s in
00:27:15 control
00:27:16 right he allows things to happen but he
00:27:18 only allows things to happen so far
00:27:21 right just like a job
00:27:24 there’s an example of that and Satan
00:27:27 Satan had to get permission
00:27:29 from Yahweh on what he could do to job
00:27:32 God’s elohim’s ultimately in control but
00:27:34 anyways so
00:27:36 every month or Moon because moon this
00:27:39 these used to be called moons
00:27:41 and it got shortened to months because
00:27:43 the calendars
00:27:46 all up till about 700 BC were based upon
00:27:50 the Moon it was constant because that’s
00:27:52 what Noah had and that’s what they
00:27:53 taught and they were like why would we
00:27:55 do anything different
00:27:56 but anyways
00:27:58 um so here’s your three types of days
00:28:00 your new moon days which is the first
00:28:02 and the 30th when there is the 30th your
00:28:05 work days 2 through 7 9 through 14
00:28:09 16-21
00:28:11 23-28 those are all six days right one
00:28:15 two three four five six oh wait I look I
00:28:18 have those numbers one through six at
00:28:19 the top
00:28:21 anyways I’m being a little facetious and
00:28:23 then the seventh day the Sabbath so yes
00:28:26 the calendar has six working days
00:28:29 and then a seventh now an interesting
00:28:32 tidbit here
00:28:33 in the Ten Commandments the fourth
00:28:36 Commandment it never says how many days
00:28:39 your rest will be it just States you
00:28:41 work six days and then you rest
00:28:45 and because sometimes most of the time
00:28:48 you arrest one day sometimes your arrest
00:28:51 two days in today’s mooner cycle and
00:28:55 sometimes you will rest three days
00:28:59 and I I worship on all three
00:29:03 um I I host these on
00:29:05 New Moon day so the first I I don’t
00:29:09 host them on transition day
00:29:12 um let’s just
00:29:14 it’s a little much but anyway
00:29:17 well it’s a little much for my family
00:29:20 it’s more what it is
00:29:22 um so I I’m trying to do a balancing act
00:29:25 of my family and hosting these things
00:29:27 with other people right
00:29:29 um but anyways
00:29:31 um
00:29:32 so those are your three types of days on
00:29:34 on my calendar and I can show this from
00:29:36 the scriptures also I don’t know if Ben
00:29:37 wants to interject a little bit because
00:29:39 yeah actually uh there’s a very clear
00:29:43 reference in Ezekiel
00:29:44 chapter 46 verses 1 and 3 which talks
00:29:49 about the three types of days
00:29:52 um so I’m going to get the mean one
00:29:54 because I rather my I think the main one
00:29:56 that I have is a little more poignant on
00:29:58 this
00:29:59 I I think you know which one mean one it
00:30:02 is because it’s
00:30:04 um
00:30:07 it just kind of it makes it more visual
00:30:09 right
00:30:10 [Music]
00:30:11 so there you go
00:30:13 yeah
00:30:15 thus saith the Lord God and starting in
00:30:19 verse 1 blessed the Lord God the Gate of
00:30:21 the inner court that looketh toward the
00:30:23 East shall be shut the six working days
00:30:27 but on the Sabbath
00:30:29 day the second kind of day it shall be
00:30:32 opened and in the day of the new moon
00:30:35 the Third Kind of day it shall be opened
00:30:40 like in verse three likewise the people
00:30:42 of the land shall worship at the door of
00:30:45 this gate before the Lord in the Sabbath
00:30:47 and in the new moons
00:30:49 the new moons and sabbaths are all
00:30:54 they’re non-workers worship days they’re
00:30:58 both their worship days the date and the
00:31:00 Gates of Heaven are open to us and we
00:31:02 may have and if we are keeping the law
00:31:04 of the lord we may approach his throne
00:31:08 in confidence
00:31:10 on the sabbaths and New Moon days so to
00:31:13 go with this verse I’m going to ask you
00:31:14 Charles a trick question okay there’s no
00:31:18 answer for it so I’m just being honest
00:31:20 to you but I’m going to ask it anyways
00:31:21 if New Moon day was on a Tuesday should
00:31:25 the gate be opened or closed
00:31:27 haha
00:31:30 on the gagorin calendar that’s a trick
00:31:32 question there is no real answer
00:31:36 we’re on the lunar solar calendar with
00:31:39 three
00:31:40 three types of days there is an answer
00:31:42 right as we’re seeing right here and
00:31:45 it’s given in Ezekiel 46 verse 1.
00:31:53 um so there it it shows the three types
00:31:56 of days right there in one verse
00:32:00 um back here let me show
00:32:05 my so that way you can
00:32:07 because I have that’s a key verse right
00:32:11 um those two so hopefully that’s those
00:32:13 are big enough for you to read
00:32:16 um
00:32:17 if you’re worried I like uh using Bible
00:32:19 Hub if you want to look at to some of
00:32:21 these words if you want to get in into
00:32:23 depth but I I think it’s pretty clear
00:32:26 but I’m happy to go in more depth on
00:32:28 these bursts if you want to
00:32:34 do you want to say something Charles
00:32:37 I was
00:32:40 well this is all new to me and I got my
00:32:43 family you know stuff’s going around me
00:32:45 as you talk but I got the key verses and
00:32:49 the resource link to the calendar and I
00:32:51 followed as close as I could the
00:32:53 calendar that you shared so I want to
00:32:55 investigate that further sure
00:32:58 um
00:33:00 I’ll give you a link to my do you have
00:33:03 an Android
00:33:04 uh my wife has we have one Android in
00:33:07 the house yeah okay all right well
00:33:10 that’s good I’ll give you a link to my
00:33:12 app for this
00:33:15 um which I hope you’ll like and use so
00:33:17 does your app show when it’s a uh an
00:33:20 extra like lunar like sometimes the
00:33:22 lunar is one night one day sometimes
00:33:24 there’s two multiple does it show them
00:33:27 it shows that and that’s why I say New
00:33:28 Moon days and transition days in fact
00:33:30 yeah so that’s for the dumming like we
00:33:32 could just now is that correlate to uh
00:33:37 the sky actual the sky so I could just
00:33:40 look up in the sky and see a new moon
00:33:42 and no uh well on my new moon Resource
00:33:46 page
00:33:47 um
00:33:48 sliver
00:33:54 you’ll run into cases where your first
00:33:57 liver your first liver is more than 30
00:34:00 days
00:34:01 so the whole the whole thing is is that
00:34:05 when you look up at the sky on New Moon
00:34:07 day you’ll see no moon yeah it’s no it’s
00:34:10 a dark conjunction is what it should be
00:34:13 I know people fight over this because
00:34:15 there’s a lot of uh calendars there’s
00:34:18 room
00:34:19 unless you unless you um have a means of
00:34:22 calculating you know if you just go like
00:34:26 visually
00:34:27 superficially you can have you could
00:34:30 accumulate error correct so
00:34:34 um on my new moon page I talk about how
00:34:37 to figure out the new moon and how I
00:34:39 believe the priests did it and I have
00:34:42 um two links that talk about this that
00:34:44 technique
00:34:46 does this also help determine uh High
00:34:49 holy days correct like holidays are
00:34:52 based off of the Moon and those yeah so
00:34:55 on that point since you bring it up I’ll
00:34:57 say a little bit and we can get more
00:34:59 into that or go stay on the calendar but
00:35:01 there’s three types of sabbaths
00:35:04 there’s the weekly Sabbath
00:35:07 which is what most people think of
00:35:09 there’s the moonly Sabbath which is
00:35:13 today today’s new moon day
00:35:16 and then there’s the yearly Sabbath
00:35:20 which most people call High holidays but
00:35:22 they’re an annual Sabbath yearly Sabbath
00:35:27 so there’s three types of sabbaths
00:35:30 um and if you
00:35:33 look on my Sabbath space
00:35:35 thank you
00:35:39 I’ll give you the link
00:35:42 oops
00:35:45 uh I talked about the three different
00:35:47 types in there uh and also
00:35:52 I I picked some of my favorite verses
00:35:54 but there’s others where it doesn’t say
00:35:57 my Sabbath is between me and you meaning
00:36:01 there would only be one type
00:36:03 but like Exodus 31 it says my Sabbath’s
00:36:07 plural are between a sign between me and
00:36:11 you meaning there and I take this to me
00:36:13 and I think if you study out the
00:36:15 scriptures more you would
00:36:17 go along with me hopefully
00:36:21 um that there’s three types of sabbaths
00:36:24 that’s why it’s plural there
00:36:26 um it’s because there’s multiple types
00:36:28 where like Isaiah 66 we read it’s
00:36:32 singular even though it’s the liquid
00:36:34 because it’s talking about one type of
00:36:36 Sabbath with that one well actually
00:36:39 there’s two sabbaths here the new moon
00:36:41 day and the weekly seventh
00:36:44 um but it’s listing each one out
00:36:46 individually and that’s why it’s not
00:36:48 going plural as doing singular
00:36:51 right um
00:36:53 so this one here Amos 85 which is a good
00:36:57 one that since we’re here we’ll just
00:37:00 read it because it’s another one that
00:37:02 really specifies the third type of day
00:37:05 in the calendar it’s a it’s a big one
00:37:07 and it shows that it’s a non-working day
00:37:09 also
00:37:11 because
00:37:12 the only
00:37:14 people that I know that take new moon
00:37:16 day completely seriously other than
00:37:20 maybe there there are some Hebrew
00:37:22 rooters out there that will do a
00:37:24 Fireside
00:37:26 on New Moon day but they’ll still work
00:37:28 on New Moon day
00:37:31 the only ones that take New Moon day
00:37:34 seriously completely as the scriptures
00:37:36 State especially this one that I was
00:37:38 showing you are lunar sabitarians
00:37:42 because we know we’re not supposed to
00:37:44 work on that day and here it is and this
00:37:46 is where it stays at Amos 8 5 saying
00:37:49 when will the new moon day be gone
00:37:53 that we may sell corn look at this
00:37:56 so this are the wicked
00:37:58 or those who
00:38:00 are focused on money saying we don’t
00:38:03 want new moon days so that we can sell
00:38:06 ing that you can’t buy or sell on New
00:38:09 Moon day according to the scriptures
00:38:13 and the weekly Sabbath because everybody
00:38:16 will agree that the scriptures say you
00:38:18 can’t buy or sell on the weekly Sabbath
00:38:21 although most Believers supposedly
00:38:23 Believers will do that right they’ll buy
00:38:26 and sell on the weekly Sabbath but they
00:38:28 all most of them know that the
00:38:30 scriptures actually say not to do that
00:38:31 that we may set forth wheat making the
00:38:35 IFA small
00:38:36 and the sequel grade falsifying the
00:38:38 balance of disease so this last part is
00:38:40 saying that they want to cheat the
00:38:42 people they want to sell and make money
00:38:44 and they want to cheat the people to do
00:38:47 it
00:38:47 they want to get rich off of the expense
00:38:49 of other other people but they can’t do
00:38:52 that on new moon or Sabbath right
00:38:54 because it’s they’re they’re both
00:38:56 non-work days
00:38:58 and Isaiah 66 brings out how they’re
00:39:01 both worship days
00:39:06 um anyways but uh oh here’s where I talk
00:39:11 about the lunar cycle a little bit
00:39:14 and
00:39:15 um
00:39:18 I have a resource page for that it gets
00:39:21 in more details
00:39:22 in fact when it happened goes along with
00:39:25 the creation prophecy
00:39:27 um
00:39:28 if you want to get into that issue now
00:39:30 if I could
00:39:32 remember what okay there it is
00:39:37 so that gets into that issue because it
00:39:40 used to be 30. during Noah’s day the
00:39:43 lunar cycle was a constant 30 days all
00:39:45 the time something changed and it
00:39:48 happened in 700 BC and I have resources
00:39:50 for you to go look into it if you want
00:39:52 to get deep into this issue
00:39:56 and there’s evidence that there were two
00:39:58 new moon days during the time of David
00:40:00 yeah uh do you want to do that one since
00:40:02 you’re bringing it up
00:40:07 I think that one’s second
00:40:08 Kings or is that one Samuel I think that
00:40:12 it’s hard to remember everything
00:40:13 perfectly
00:40:15 that’s why you have notes
00:40:21 um
00:40:21 that one second king
00:40:24 oh no second case is different it’s just
00:40:26 first Samuel 21. yeah
00:40:30 um and here’s where I was going that’s
00:40:31 where I’m
00:40:33 okay
00:40:42 first Samuel 21 no
00:40:46 one right off I have key verses is 5 18
00:40:49 and 24. it’s been a little while since
00:40:51 I’ve reviewed it but
00:40:53 those are some key ones that I have in
00:40:55 my notes
00:40:56 I think that would be
00:41:00 yeah first in first Samuel chapter 20
00:41:04 verses 5 18. yeah and David said unto
00:41:09 Jonathan behold tomorrow was the new
00:41:10 moon and I should not fail to sit with
00:41:12 the King and meet but let me go that I
00:41:15 might that I may hide myself in the
00:41:17 field on the third day it even
00:41:22 and Jonathan said
00:41:24 to David tomorrow is the new moon and
00:41:27 thou shalt be missed because thy seat
00:41:28 will be empty
00:41:31 and David hid himself in the field when
00:41:33 the new moon was coming the king sat him
00:41:35 down to eat meat now the thing is if you
00:41:38 read through all of all of chapter 20.
00:41:41 you see that this is something that
00:41:43 happens over a period of
00:41:46 two whole days
00:41:48 two whole days David is not available
00:41:50 for the Feast of the new moon at Saul’s
00:41:53 Court
00:41:54 because he was worried about what Saul
00:41:57 was going to do to him right yeah and he
00:42:00 was expected to be there because this is
00:42:02 these are worship days and you were
00:42:04 supposed to go worship
00:42:06 yeah this is a subsidiary this is a
00:42:09 subsidiary point
00:42:11 up until
00:42:14 up until some point in the reign of the
00:42:17 Kings of Israel the
00:42:19 [Music]
00:42:20 um
00:42:21 there were
00:42:22 it was just a straight 30 day and 30-day
00:42:25 moons
00:42:26 basically yeah
00:42:28 um so just since you’re bringing that a
00:42:31 little bit we can go look at my Resource
00:42:32 page
00:42:34 um
00:42:37 it I have verses there it’s just real
00:42:41 convenient
00:42:42 of that change because it’s it’s in the
00:42:46 scriptures
00:42:47 so
00:42:49 um Isaiah 38 4-8 Second Kings 20 8-11
00:42:53 second chronicles 32 31 Daniel 2 21
00:42:57 reference talks about it
00:43:01 um
00:43:02 because
00:43:03 um
00:43:04 prophecy referring to it and in the
00:43:07 creation prophecy the fourth day
00:43:12 um
00:43:13 so do you know what the creation
00:43:16 prophecy is Charles
00:43:18 before I go down that rabbit hole I’m
00:43:21 not familiar okay so everybody knows
00:43:25 about the creation history the first
00:43:27 six days right
00:43:30 um
00:43:31 now when you go look at that those
00:43:34 different days follow the pattern of
00:43:37 History
00:43:38 of these six thousand years that we’ve
00:43:40 been here okay
00:43:42 and it’s interesting that in the fourth
00:43:45 day
00:43:46 the moon was appointed not created we
00:43:49 that’s another issue to talk about but
00:43:51 it was appointed on the fourth day
00:43:54 or the Moen deem for the appointed times
00:43:57 right
00:43:59 um you know it’s interesting that 700 BC
00:44:03 was during the fourth millennium
00:44:07 aka the fourth day and so up to that
00:44:11 point you could just simply count one
00:44:14 through Thirty one through Thirty one
00:44:15 through Thirty and know where you are in
00:44:18 the calendar
00:44:20 but in the fourth day
00:44:22 the Millennium that the moon was
00:44:24 appointed for the moadim
00:44:27 is when the moon cycle changed to make
00:44:30 it so you have to go by the moon rather
00:44:33 than do a constant 30-day count
00:44:40 so I
00:44:42 that’s just real kind of overview
00:44:44 another time we can get into the actual
00:44:46 crate some details of the creation
00:44:48 prophecy
00:44:50 um because I have a unfinished post
00:44:51 where I bring out a lot of that out that
00:44:53 we can go look at if you want to get
00:44:55 into that another time
00:44:57 um but these are verses that shows what
00:45:00 happens
00:45:02 um in fact the shadow of the
00:45:06 um
00:45:07 Sundial went backwards
00:45:11 um
00:45:11 so this shadow of the degrees but
00:45:13 anyways
00:45:15 um which
00:45:17 is part of the reason that I say the day
00:45:19 starts at Sunrise because Sunrise is
00:45:23 when you will get Shadows on a sundial
00:45:27 uh and if you want
00:45:29 because a lot of people
00:45:32 will who are lunar sabatorians will say
00:45:34 Twilight
00:45:36 and I completely disagree with that
00:45:39 and um no Shadows I mean there are
00:45:43 shadows of Twilight but I don’t know how
00:45:44 they’re not distinguishable ones because
00:45:46 at right at Twilight it’s basically
00:45:48 midnight okay and I’ve done videos and
00:45:51 recorded this and I get into this with
00:45:54 this video that I’m going to give you
00:45:56 but here’s my morning Resource page
00:45:59 um and so one reason to get my app is I
00:46:02 have all these resource pages in The
00:46:04 Links section of the app
00:46:08 um so it’s just a quick reference but in
00:46:11 this recording
00:46:13 I talk about Twilight versus sunrise
00:46:17 and there’s no way to determine Twilight
00:46:21 without computer math calculations
00:46:24 and
00:46:26 um I don’t believe that’s how they did
00:46:27 it they did it by sight and you can
00:46:31 although there’s light Before Sunrise
00:46:35 the light that you get after Sunrise is
00:46:39 direct light and it’s a lot brighter
00:46:42 and in fact in one of the videos that
00:46:45 you’ll see that I recorded with my GoPro
00:46:47 in that recording that I did in that
00:46:49 presentation someone asked me to do
00:46:51 um
00:46:53 I I would test see if I could
00:46:55 distinguish my Shadows from my foot you
00:46:58 couldn’t
00:46:59 now if I moved my foot you could see
00:47:02 that there was a little change
00:47:04 but if I kept my foot still you could
00:47:07 not
00:47:08 distinguish where the shadow was if that
00:47:11 makes sense
00:47:12 um and it’s because it’s no direct
00:47:15 sunlight it’s scattered light that’s
00:47:17 bouncing all over the place making it so
00:47:19 there’s no shadow
00:47:22 so anyways there’s there’s a lot of
00:47:25 calendar Wars out there or portions to
00:47:28 the calendar War
00:47:30 um so but I sidetracked this off of the
00:47:35 New Moon day which is the third type of
00:47:38 day that’s in the scriptures
00:47:41 um
00:47:43 sir go ahead
00:47:45 so if someone is is uh calculating the
00:47:49 day from Twilight versus morning does it
00:47:52 throw the system off yeah it will
00:47:55 um everyone I know most of the people I
00:47:57 know who are uh seventh day are you know
00:48:01 they they they the 24-hour day for them
00:48:03 starts on the on the evening evening
00:48:05 right and um this is a whole other issue
00:48:08 that turns out and yeah it will change
00:48:11 the day because
00:48:14 so here’s a little thing that I have on
00:48:16 my Sabbath page that kind of explains
00:48:18 the day starts at sunrise
00:48:21 the moon starts the sunrise After the
00:48:24 Dark conjunction
00:48:25 the year starts the moon after the
00:48:27 Spring Equinox
00:48:29 so I I have I’ve written code for all
00:48:32 this and when you
00:48:34 change the day start of the day from
00:48:37 sunrise to sunset or
00:48:40 astronomical Dawn which a lot of people
00:48:43 in the lunar Sabbath Community uses
00:48:45 because of World’s Last Chance
00:48:48 use does with their app
00:48:50 a lot of people are getting it wrong and
00:48:54 because
00:48:56 the day starts
00:48:59 sunrise or the the new moon day starts
00:49:03 to Sunrise After the Dark conjunction
00:49:07 depending if you you have your day start
00:49:10 in the evening it can make your day off
00:49:13 by a whole 24 hours so then you will
00:49:16 miss that appointed time with Yahweh
00:49:19 because it it’s just where the
00:49:23 how kind of rounding works like it it oh
00:49:26 you know what flooring is and ceiling
00:49:33 uh again please repeat uh so this is a
00:49:36 math concept I’m just trying to think of
00:49:37 the best way to describe it do you know
00:49:39 what floor is
00:49:41 where you round down flooring is when
00:49:44 you round down and sealing is when you
00:49:47 round up okay okay yeah and so in these
00:49:51 things you don’t just randomly
00:49:53 go up or down you look for the event and
00:49:57 then you wait for the next event to
00:49:58 happen so that’s where it would in math
00:50:00 terms it would be called ceiling because
00:50:03 you do one event and then the next event
00:50:05 and so depending on when one event
00:50:07 happens like the dark conjunction
00:50:11 uh if it’s before or after the
00:50:16 um the sunrise or the or the sunset
00:50:19 depending what you’re going by or by
00:50:20 Twilight or I mean um astronomical Dawn
00:50:25 it will change when your moon starts
00:50:30 which then will put your whole calendar
00:50:32 off by a whole 24 hours right okay so it
00:50:36 does make a difference
00:50:37 do you do you mind if I actually share
00:50:40 some scriptural proof as to why the date
00:50:43 begins uh in the morning that’s for sure
00:50:47 um I I there I have three posts on that
00:50:51 in my morning routine do you have some
00:50:54 sounds like there’ll be a lot of new
00:50:55 testament on morning the Morning Star
00:50:57 oh
00:50:59 yeah uh the Morning Star is a little
00:51:01 different
00:51:02 um but anyways but let Ben talk about
00:51:04 the morning okay so we’re gonna I’m
00:51:08 gonna go back I’m gonna tie back into
00:51:11 creation
00:51:13 and show God’s pattern for telling the
00:51:15 days
00:51:16 okay let me get Genesis up
00:51:22 um
00:51:25 because you’re doing Genesis one I’m
00:51:27 pretty sure right yep you’re absolutely
00:51:29 right yeah
00:51:31 nope and we’re going to go through and
00:51:33 we’re going to go through the days and
00:51:34 we’re going to see that the pattern
00:51:36 remains constant throughout now FYI
00:51:42 um Genesis 1 1 through 2 is a new moon
00:51:45 day
00:51:46 and we can get into that issue or we can
00:51:48 just kind of skip that issue Charles but
00:51:51 there’s actually more days in this than
00:51:54 most people realize
00:51:56 so but um the the pattern gets set here
00:52:01 starting with the creation of light the
00:52:04 creation of the light and starting in
00:52:06 verse three
00:52:07 and okay
00:52:09 and God said let there be light and
00:52:12 there was light
00:52:14 and God saw the light that it was good
00:52:16 and God divided the life from the
00:52:17 darkness and God called the light day
00:52:19 and the Darkness he called night okay so
00:52:22 here we have his work day the sun’s the
00:52:25 the right there’s the rise and starting
00:52:28 at the starting with the work day and
00:52:30 then it says and the evening and the
00:52:32 morning were the first day
00:52:34 so you have the work day then you have
00:52:36 the evening then you have the morning
00:52:39 foreign
00:52:42 now one thing I’m just going to
00:52:45 interject a little bit
00:52:46 there’s the four watches at night right
00:52:50 the four night watches
00:52:52 the First Night Watch
00:52:55 is called evening
00:52:56 the last night watch is actually called
00:52:59 morning and so the way that I read this
00:53:02 is
00:53:04 you have your time for work
00:53:06 then here’s the first part of the night
00:53:09 and then the last part of the night and
00:53:11 that’s all your day
00:53:13 box
00:53:15 let’s see if that’s a fluke let’s go to
00:53:18 the next day
00:53:19 and God said let there be a firmament in
00:53:21 the midst of the waters and let it
00:53:23 divide the waters from the waters and
00:53:24 God made the firmament and divided the
00:53:27 waters which were under the firmament
00:53:28 from the waters which were above the
00:53:30 firmament and it was so and God called
00:53:32 the firmament heaven and the evening and
00:53:36 the morning or the second day the once
00:53:39 again these are references to night
00:53:41 watches so you have it once again day
00:53:44 two you have your work day you have your
00:53:48 evening watch and then you have your
00:53:50 morning watch
00:53:52 so we have now two days established
00:53:58 third day let’s let’s get a third
00:54:01 Witness
00:54:03 God said let the waters under the heaven
00:54:05 be gathered together onto one place and
00:54:06 let the dry land appear and it was so
00:54:09 and God called the dry land Earth and
00:54:11 the Gathering Together of the water is
00:54:12 called he sees and God saw that it was
00:54:15 good and God said let the Earth bring
00:54:17 forth grass and Herb yielding seed in
00:54:20 the fruit tree yielding fruit after his
00:54:22 kind whose seed is in itself upon the
00:54:24 Earth and it was so and the Earth
00:54:27 brought forth grass and Herb yielding
00:54:29 seed after his kind and the tree
00:54:31 yielding fruit whose seed was in itself
00:54:33 after his kind and God saw that it was
00:54:36 good
00:54:37 and the evening and the morning were the
00:54:41 third day working evening watch morning
00:54:45 watch
00:54:46 now we’re moving forward into day four
00:54:49 you see that pattern
00:54:51 repeating itself throughout the creation
00:54:54 this is how God tells his time
00:54:58 Sunrise work day
00:55:01 evening watch morning watch Sunrise is a
00:55:05 new day
00:55:10 well that that makes sense from a
00:55:12 practical Viewpoint um just in terms of
00:55:15 work separating work from rest days yeah
00:55:18 nice yeah
00:55:21 um and if you want
00:55:25 um assuming you’re you’re you’re done
00:55:27 right with that
00:55:28 yeah the proof I I believe I believe I
00:55:33 don’t I don’t believe it’s necessary to
00:55:34 whip the dead horse at this point sure
00:55:37 um
00:55:38 on your own Charles
00:55:41 um I I have my morning Resource page I
00:55:45 do do that okay
00:55:46 [Laughter]
00:55:50 um highlights from sunrise or Sunset
00:55:52 really gets into this
00:55:53 uh and they give multiple examples from
00:55:56 the Old Testament that shows that the
00:55:58 day starts in the morning
00:56:00 um
00:56:01 on the moral and morning I do that from
00:56:04 The Book of Mormon
00:56:06 um if you are interested in that one and
00:56:09 then also in this one the undiscovereds
00:56:12 have a secret you should know it shows
00:56:15 tons of examples from the Old Testament
00:56:18 that the day starts in the morning
00:56:20 and my favorite one from the Old
00:56:22 Testament is uh mena you could collect
00:56:26 Mana up to the morning
00:56:29 and now if the Sabbath started in the
00:56:32 evening that means you could collect on
00:56:34 the Sabbath but you’re not allowed to
00:56:36 collect on the Sabbath so it shows that
00:56:39 the Sabbath starts in the morning
00:56:43 and thus the day starts in the morning
00:56:45 because you had 24 hours to collect Mana
00:56:48 and keep it because at the end of that
00:56:49 24 hours it went bad and got worms right
00:56:57 so like in Church of God you know they
00:56:59 would do the Passover they’d start to
00:57:02 pass over in the evening so I had these
00:57:04 uh important for them I I suppose now
00:57:07 this one’s an interesting issue so the
00:57:10 Passover is supposed to start in the
00:57:11 evening but you have to the end of that
00:57:14 day that the morning to eat the lamb and
00:57:19 then you’re supposed to burn what’s left
00:57:20 over
00:57:21 gone
00:57:23 you have to eat the lamb within the same
00:57:25 day up to that so it does start in the
00:57:29 evening because that’s when yesterday
00:57:30 was sacrificed and it’s pointing to him
00:57:34 because it it actually the evening it’s
00:57:36 between the evenings
00:57:37 so between high noon and sunset
00:57:41 which is about give or take three
00:57:43 o’clock our time is when you’re supposed
00:57:46 to
00:57:46 start it
00:57:48 um but anyways
00:57:50 I got here’s another question that comes
00:57:52 to mind with a point in time so like in
00:57:55 Church of God they one of their
00:57:57 justifications for the old keeping the
00:58:00 the
00:58:01 um feast days of the Old Testament was
00:58:04 that they used it they thought it could
00:58:07 help calculate this the second coming
00:58:10 right because it’ll return on um the
00:58:13 last day of Tabernacles right uh yeah so
00:58:17 a lot of people think it’s going to
00:58:18 start in the
00:58:20 fall Feasts
00:58:23 um and so I I disagree with that but
00:58:25 let’s kind of go off of this a little
00:58:26 bit so yeah
00:58:28 my point was the value of appointed
00:58:32 times right so like from my Presbyterian
00:58:35 tradition like they don’t keep of course
00:58:37 any of the Old Testament feast days but
00:58:40 they’re sabitarian for Sunday Keepers
00:58:43 and so they thought well the values
00:58:45 public worship and the memorial Crisis
00:58:48 crisis resurrection of public worship so
00:58:52 like
00:58:53 is the value and what I’m wondering is
00:58:55 keeping the appointed times in terms of
00:58:58 God’s His blessings it’s obedience right
00:59:01 His blessings but also his presence is
00:59:04 he more present at those times because
00:59:07 he blessed them uh I believe he’s more
00:59:10 present in fact is this is this
00:59:12 something that God for his glory would
00:59:14 expect public worship right and I think
00:59:17 in the lunar sabitarians are they do
00:59:21 they do public worship are they mostly
00:59:23 doing homework we do a lot of Home
00:59:25 worship here at our house by the way I’m
00:59:28 just uh you should be doing both I would
00:59:30 say
00:59:31 um like this is public right so public
00:59:35 it goes on YouTube
00:59:38 but I I would say so Ezekiel 31.
00:59:44 you know in today’s
00:59:46 Society the mark of the beast is a
00:59:48 really big deal it’s a Hot Topic to talk
00:59:50 about right
00:59:51 uh it’s not
00:59:54 it’s not a chip
00:59:56 it’s it’s not a barcode
00:59:59 it is
01:00:01 perversion of yahweh’s ways specifically
01:00:06 version of Sabbath and worship because
01:00:09 and I’ll get that Exodus 31 13.
01:00:13 speak ye speak thou also under the
01:00:16 children of Israel saying verily my
01:00:18 sabbaths plural
01:00:21 shall you keep for it is a sign versus a
01:00:25 mark between me and you throughout your
01:00:28 Generations that ye may know that I am
01:00:31 Yahweh that does sanctify you
01:00:36 so
01:00:39 the
01:00:41 the sign that you’re under yeshua’s
01:00:45 Authority is to keep his sabbaths
01:00:48 AK weekly Sabbath humanly Sabbath yearly
01:00:52 Sabbath now let’s go look at the Exodus
01:00:56 a big example of this is Passover right
01:01:00 if someone kept Passover on the wrong
01:01:03 day would they your firstborn been okay
01:01:07 no the for their first porn would have
01:01:09 gone
01:01:10 killed if they kept it on the wrong day
01:01:15 and that
01:01:18 what happens uh if you have the mark of
01:01:21 the beast or AKA not having Yahweh sail
01:01:23 upon you
01:01:25 is death
01:01:27 just like with Passover
01:01:30 um the the one commandment
01:01:33 that has the Seal of Galway
01:01:36 on it
01:01:39 in Exodus
01:01:42 chapter 20.
01:01:45 hi Christy
01:01:47 hey
01:01:49 Exodus let’s go to Exodus chapter 20.
01:01:52 okay where we can see
01:01:56 the one Commandment that has yahweh’s
01:01:59 seal on it
01:02:06 remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy
01:02:09 six days shout down labor and do all thy
01:02:12 work but the seventh day is the Sabbath
01:02:15 of the Lord thy God in it Thou shalt not
01:02:17 do any work thou nor thy son nor thy
01:02:21 daughter thy man servant nor thy maid
01:02:23 servant nor they cattled are they
01:02:24 stranger that is within thy Gates or in
01:02:27 six days the Lord made Heaven and Earth
01:02:30 the sea and all that in them is and
01:02:33 rested the seventh day wherefore the
01:02:36 Lord blessed the seventh day and
01:02:38 hallowed it so here
01:02:42 when you have a seal
01:02:45 that seal contains your office
01:02:49 your
01:02:51 jurisdiction
01:02:53 and
01:02:55 your name
01:02:58 all of these things are present only in
01:03:01 the fourth Commandment
01:03:03 they contain this it contains the Seal
01:03:06 of Galway
01:03:08 on the seventh day is the Sabbath of the
01:03:10 Lord thy God
01:03:13 of Yahweh
01:03:14 the Sabbath of Yahweh
01:03:16 in it Thou shalt not do any work thou
01:03:20 nor thy son or thy daughter nor thy
01:03:22 manservant nor thy maidservant nor they
01:03:24 cattle nor they strangers within thy
01:03:25 gates for in six days Yahweh made Heaven
01:03:28 and Earth and see
01:03:30 his jurisdiction
01:03:32 and all things that in them are
01:03:35 and all that in them is and rest of the
01:03:38 seventh day wherefore the Lord blessed
01:03:40 the seventh the Sabbath day and hallowed
01:03:42 it stating his authority only he can
01:03:45 hallow a day
01:03:49 there’s the Seal of God
01:03:51 so uh to go with okay that that helps
01:03:55 and I think that answers my question and
01:03:59 I need to go back and read some of the
01:04:01 sabbatarian uh poemics you know from the
01:04:04 19th century when you had uh uh the big
01:04:08 a big
01:04:09 um
01:04:10 Seventh-Day movement you know where and
01:04:13 also the Puritan period because this
01:04:17 came up in Commonwealth with The
01:04:19 Seventh-Day Baptist so I I just need to
01:04:21 go back and rehash some of that but I
01:04:23 think that’s pretty much sums it the
01:04:25 mark But then why it should be kept and
01:04:29 it’s a sign to last all generations
01:04:31 that’s that’s that helps me and the only
01:04:35 hope the only hope for the Gentiles is
01:04:37 to become adopted into Israel and when
01:04:39 we’re adopted into the family of Israel
01:04:42 we do what Israel does
01:04:44 right
01:04:45 here’s my last question because I don’t
01:04:48 want to derail your study no no that’s
01:04:49 fine this is when I read the book of
01:04:52 Mormon only once I’ve only read it once
01:04:55 but I didn’t see anything it seemed to
01:04:57 be uh a first day you know when they
01:05:01 they mention anything of uh anything
01:05:03 about public worship it seems like it’s
01:05:06 first day and so I’m wondering how where
01:05:11 do we get like with The Strand is it the
01:05:13 string act string lights yeah string
01:05:15 lights
01:05:21 uh so most mainstream Mormonism
01:05:25 um so the two biggest ones are
01:05:27 brighamites LDS and the Community of
01:05:29 Christ or rlds the josephites they work
01:05:33 up on Sunday
01:05:35 the the third one oh no I’m forgetting
01:05:43 temp a lot no not about the Campbell
01:05:46 lights I think it is
01:05:50 anyways there’s another one that’s uh
01:05:53 kind of more Pentecostal There’s Sunday
01:05:57 yeah that’s the one I think the bigger
01:06:00 nights they’re Sunday also
01:06:02 um
01:06:04 the string nights are the only ones that
01:06:07 we’ll do this Saturday which I believe
01:06:08 is wrong
01:06:09 uh
01:06:11 there’s
01:06:13 a few of us like uh three of us here
01:06:17 um
01:06:18 Christy’s learning about it so I hope
01:06:20 I’m not speaking too much out of place
01:06:23 um our lunar sabitarians
01:06:27 um
01:06:27 because it’s if I remember correctly uh
01:06:30 Chris even stated that it was placed on
01:06:32 her heart to start looking into it
01:06:34 hopefully I’m not remembering it
01:06:37 correctly for her
01:06:39 um but there’s being to be more
01:06:43 restorationists that are doing than our
01:06:45 Sabbath uh and the ones that I know
01:06:48 about are in my lunar Sabbath group and
01:06:51 in my Nazarene Mormon group
01:06:55 um and so I am a lunar sabitarian and I
01:06:59 call myself a Nazarene Mormon
01:07:02 um and
01:07:04 to put it simply not to Sidetrack on
01:07:06 this but I’m happy to get into details
01:07:08 of anything and Nazarene is a mix
01:07:11 between a Jew and a Christian to keep it
01:07:14 simple now we can get into more depth
01:07:16 than that if you want but that that’s
01:07:18 what a Nazarene is
01:07:23 um so are you seventh day or no I’m a
01:07:26 I’m a lunar sabitarian okay so you just
01:07:29 keep the other sabbaths which is the
01:07:31 lunar ones in addition to the day of
01:07:34 rest which you understand being the
01:07:36 first day is that correct no the dance
01:07:40 the seventh day
01:07:42 but it but it’s based on the new moon
01:07:45 day it’s based off of the new moon day
01:07:47 you have the new moon day seven days
01:07:51 you then have six days of work and then
01:07:54 you have your Sabbath six days of work
01:07:56 your Sabbath six days of work you’re
01:07:59 seven
01:08:00 okay
01:08:03 [Music]
01:08:09 right
01:08:10 you’re not connected to the Gregorian
01:08:13 calendar that way or the Julian you’re
01:08:15 just going by the new moons correct yeah
01:08:18 like well the Sun and the Moon
01:08:21 because the day you use the sun just to
01:08:24 start the day you use the moon to know
01:08:27 what day it is
01:08:28 okay and then you use the Sun and the
01:08:31 Moon to start the year
01:08:34 okay
01:08:35 thank you
01:08:38 um I I’ve I’ve put a lot of research and
01:08:40 study and code into this so I can answer
01:08:44 quite a few uh questions on this uh how
01:08:48 does that work with the Mormon
01:08:49 Revelation with the scriptures in in uh
01:08:52 in uh the early Mormonism
01:08:55 so the early Mormons they did not uh
01:08:59 know this now an interesting thing is
01:09:02 there’s a revelation DC 59 and the
01:09:06 eldius Canon
01:09:08 uh which is about the Sabbath
01:09:10 and it’s interesting
01:09:13 little tidbit it was given on a lunar
01:09:16 Sabbath
01:09:17 so a lot of people will say well it was
01:09:19 on Sunday so that must be when the
01:09:21 Sabbath is right well it was on a Sunday
01:09:24 but when you go do the calculations it
01:09:27 was also a lunar Sabbath
01:09:30 and that’s what this picture is trying
01:09:32 to show that that was a lunar Sabbath
01:09:34 because the next day was a new moon day
01:09:39 so along this point though
01:09:42 uh I have a post on this you’ll never
01:09:45 hear me say that but anyways
01:09:47 um I have a post much versus all so in
01:09:52 yeah
01:09:53 is it second second if I first D5 oh
01:09:57 yeah first Nephi 14. uh there’s a verse
01:10:00 that I base this all upon that Joseph
01:10:03 Smith is not to restore everything
01:10:07 he got it started
01:10:09 uh and then later how much do you know
01:10:12 about Mormonism uh there’s going to be a
01:10:14 mighty and strong one coming now this
01:10:17 gets controversial because a lot of
01:10:19 people will claim that Joseph Smith is
01:10:20 the mighty and strong one he’s not and
01:10:22 we can Sidetrack into that if you want
01:10:24 and I can show that from
01:10:28 second Nephi 3 and jst
01:10:33 50. it was not him I mean I can show
01:10:36 that from
01:10:37 uh what is it DNC 109 is it I’m
01:10:41 forgetting because in fact I have a
01:10:43 recording on those DNC verses if you
01:10:46 want to go look at those
01:10:48 um
01:10:51 what page are you on right now what’s
01:10:54 the the slash of the page oh this is
01:10:57 scripture studies this is where I I kind
01:10:59 of all these that recordings I do I put
01:11:02 them up here
01:11:03 so you can go all everyone that have
01:11:05 been recorded they’re right there it
01:11:07 might get up a week late but they get
01:11:10 there
01:11:12 um but so a big thing about 103 101 and
01:11:17 105 is about Joseph Smith and a lot of
01:11:19 people will misread those to try to
01:11:22 prove that Joseph Smith is the mighty
01:11:24 one and I went through these with uh Ben
01:11:28 and his brother Matt and just shows no
01:11:33 that’s not what it’s doing you know I
01:11:35 just plainly read the scriptures and
01:11:37 expound them Joseph Smith is not the
01:11:39 mighty one okay and it’s not even his
01:11:42 seed it’s Joseph of Egypt’s seed is
01:11:45 going to be the mighty
01:11:47 than strong one not Joseph Smith because
01:11:50 that’s a problem with the Community of
01:11:51 Christ they think the Community Christ
01:11:53 thinks that it’s going to be of Joseph
01:11:56 Smith’s seed and not Joseph
01:11:58 found that verse found that verse about
01:12:02 much versus all
01:12:03 right okay so let’s go look at that real
01:12:05 quick
01:12:06 um and get that in my
01:12:09 favorite edition of The Book of Mormon
01:12:11 first Nephi chapter 13 verse 13. Oh I
01:12:15 was off the chapter dang it oh wow so
01:12:19 what happens
01:12:20 I don’t listen to me at all if I was off
01:12:22 a chapter
01:12:23 [Laughter]
01:12:25 it’s perfect
01:12:27 well there was one that was
01:12:29 yeah but he’s not here but he’s not on
01:12:32 the zoom call necessarily
01:12:34 [Laughter]
01:12:35 no he wasn’t why does that do
01:12:39 anyways sorry
01:12:46 so second EPA you know first Nephi 13.
01:12:49 mm-hmm
01:12:52 yes
01:12:54 I like this Edition more except for the
01:12:57 scrolling on the Kindle edition
01:13:03 okay which first 34.
01:13:07 okay
01:13:09 there we go uh you want to read it
01:13:13 yep
01:13:15 and it and it came to pass that the
01:13:17 angels of the Lord spake unto me saying
01:13:19 behold say at the lamb
01:13:21 after I have visited the remnant of the
01:13:24 House of Israel and this remnant of
01:13:25 which I speak is the seed of thy father
01:13:27 scroll up
01:13:32 you I needed to scroll up oh sorry sorry
01:13:38 okay wherefore after I have visited them
01:13:40 in judgment and smitten them by the hand
01:13:42 of the Gentiles and after the Gentiles
01:13:45 to stumble exceedingly because of the
01:13:47 most plain and precious parts of the
01:13:48 Gospel of the Lamb which have been kept
01:13:51 backed by that abominable Church which
01:13:52 is the mother of harlots saith the lamb
01:13:55 wherefore I will be merciful unto the
01:13:57 Gentiles in that day saith the lamb in
01:13:59 so much that I will bring forth onto
01:14:01 them in my known power much of my gospel
01:14:07 no not all much
01:14:11 which shall be plain and precious saith
01:14:14 the lamb
01:14:16 so
01:14:17 um on that point
01:14:19 that’s an important thing to remember
01:14:21 okay you didn’t restore everything
01:14:24 um now my much versus all post
01:14:28 main focus I mean I have some Side
01:14:30 Tracks in there
01:14:31 but the main focus is contrasting that
01:14:33 with DNC 132 that Estates Joseph Smith
01:14:37 restored everything
01:14:40 showing that DNC 132 is in air I don’t
01:14:46 believe 132 is authentic but that’s a
01:14:49 whole other discussion I believe Joseph
01:14:51 Smith was monogamous his whole life
01:14:55 contrary to what is commonly taught
01:14:58 today and I have a resource page on that
01:15:02 if you want to get in those details
01:15:04 um and I’ll give it to you
01:15:09 number one there are no descendants from
01:15:11 anyone other than Emma yeah
01:15:14 number two
01:15:17 um Brigham Young changed to nothing but
01:15:19 in terms of the in terms of in terms of
01:15:22 references to marriages everything is
01:15:25 second and third hand and after the fact
01:15:27 and after the thought and not
01:15:30 contemporary in fact people who claimed
01:15:33 it all the time they wouldn’t go to
01:15:34 court the temple law case they would not
01:15:39 uh swear to it they’ll preach it all day
01:15:42 long but when they have to say it when
01:15:44 there’s consequences if they’re proven
01:15:46 that they’re Liars they wouldn’t do it
01:15:50 um another fact is DNC
01:15:53 1835 DNC 101 it states that marriage is
01:15:57 a crime and that one man one of the
01:16:00 plural marriage is a crime oh yeah sorry
01:16:02 thank you for correcting me
01:16:05 uh
01:16:06 um and we can go look at that if you
01:16:09 want and people will say well that got
01:16:10 snucked in that’s not true I have a
01:16:15 the votes page so the DNC
01:16:19 um
01:16:20 as a page where votes were taken on
01:16:23 everything and within those votes is
01:16:26 specifically mentioned the 1835 101
01:16:29 section which is about monogamy and
01:16:33 everybody voted that that was the case
01:16:34 and so there’s a little page I have on
01:16:37 that and I have I had some glyphs to
01:16:39 help you better understand what’s going
01:16:40 on with it and also also included in
01:16:43 that vote was the lectures on faith
01:16:45 which many in
01:16:48 uh
01:16:49 many in which many in some lbs
01:16:52 communities now State weren’t even
01:16:55 written by Joseph Smith but the or that
01:16:58 they were not
01:17:00 um right they were not formally approved
01:17:02 yeah and Community Christ teaches the
01:17:05 same thing but I have a post that
01:17:07 actually
01:17:08 one thing I bring out from there is how
01:17:11 Joseph Smith spent tons of his time on
01:17:14 that
01:17:16 uh so let me get you that post if you
01:17:18 want it it’s my holy
01:17:20 ghost Holy Spirit posts
01:17:22 uh I I give tons of course the shows
01:17:26 that Joseph were gone almost okay
01:17:29 uh and then also on my collectors on
01:17:33 Facebook page on the
01:17:38 preference page
01:17:42 um
01:17:43 talks about how uh oh no it’s the votes
01:17:47 page shows that Joseph Smith worked on
01:17:49 it
01:17:49 according to the DNC Joseph Smith worked
01:17:52 on it itself the votes page
01:17:57 so I you just I I understand history has
01:18:01 been modified but the 1835 DNC has not
01:18:08 no one argues whether if that’s been
01:18:11 modified or not that that’s
01:18:13 that’s solid something to really go off
01:18:16 of and within that book itself it states
01:18:19 Joseph Smith worked on it
01:18:22 so and there’s a lot of other resources
01:18:25 that show that too that I put in my holy
01:18:26 spot Holy Spirit holy Ghostbusters
01:18:31 but that’s sidetracking
01:18:33 a bit so hopefully that wasn’t too much
01:18:35 overload
01:18:40 Charles you’re you’re muted I don’t know
01:18:42 if you want to say something
01:18:45 I think that’s it I I you know you guys
01:18:48 were I came on late at seven a little
01:18:52 bit after seven o’clock and that’s fine
01:18:54 and um
01:18:56 so we we had we just doing you know just
01:18:58 family stuff got I wanted to catch this
01:19:01 though no I think
01:19:03 um interesting and understanding the
01:19:05 calendar is one of the things I’d like
01:19:08 to better comprehend so
01:19:11 um yeah go ahead and and and so
01:19:15 um you know I sorry for interrupting I
01:19:18 appreciate it I want to show you
01:19:19 something you sure
01:19:22 so here’s the verse from The Book of
01:19:24 Mormon ronai six nine and this is about
01:19:26 how you should conduct your meetings
01:19:28 Okay or your fellowships your your
01:19:31 Sabbath and their meetings were
01:19:33 conducted by the church after the
01:19:35 managers the working of the spirit
01:19:37 and by the power of the Holy Ghost for
01:19:40 as the power of the Holy Ghost LED them
01:19:41 whether to preach or to exhort or to
01:19:44 pray or to supplicate to sing or
01:19:46 whatever so was done
01:19:49 so the way a big part that I take out of
01:19:53 that is that we help each other with our
01:19:56 questions
01:19:57 and so if you have a question
01:20:00 we’re here to help each other with that
01:20:03 I I’m not wanted to sit here and
01:20:06 preach a sermon not another thing is you
01:20:11 know I um I appreciate Zoom but a lot of
01:20:15 the churches have gone like you know
01:20:18 they’ve created this Pro this option
01:20:20 even that they’re still where you can go
01:20:22 to zoom
01:20:23 I think public worship is all you know
01:20:25 is always preferable
01:20:27 um face-to-face person to person so I’ve
01:20:30 always tried to strive sure for um local
01:20:35 meetings with people but I understand
01:20:37 this is a small community that you have
01:20:40 and the only way you can get in touch
01:20:41 really is through using the internet
01:20:43 that that’s okay but
01:20:46 um I I’m kind of Zoom phobic you know
01:20:49 what I mean I like to know
01:20:51 I think it’s a big issue
01:20:54 um and then church I agree they use in
01:20:56 person would be perfect but like you
01:20:59 said we’re a small community so yeah
01:21:02 I live in California
01:21:04 Steven’s located in Argentina yeah I’m
01:21:07 in Argentina right now so oh okay
01:21:12 you can come fly down and visit if you
01:21:14 want but uh
01:21:16 yeah thank you and summer right uh yeah
01:21:21 I’m summer right now yeah
01:21:22 and then yeah I’m in Texas right now
01:21:25 we’re in the middle of a real cold snap
01:21:30 were you Christy I don’t remember
01:21:36 I’m in Phoenix Arizona
01:21:39 oh that’s about there too have you met
01:21:41 have you missed the have you missed out
01:21:42 have you missed our cold snap from the
01:21:44 middle from the Midwest
01:21:47 yeah it’s been in the 70s here so oh
01:21:50 jeez yeah makes me wish out and makes me
01:21:54 wish I was in Phoenix
01:21:55 [Laughter]
01:21:59 my um I have a combo of uh you know all
01:22:03 the scripture and I got this from an
01:22:05 elder in up in Northern California it’s
01:22:09 the last Fellowship of the rlds branches
01:22:12 in California and he runs the names
01:22:15 Glenn drobny he gave me this combo and
01:22:20 um
01:22:21 so the DNC here is you know enumerated
01:22:25 by rlds Community crisis they’re a
01:22:29 little different
01:22:30 we had Patrick McKay come out and visit
01:22:33 our house this summer huh he came he’s a
01:22:36 nice guy he’s a nice guy
01:22:39 so my so my understanding like the when
01:22:42 the you know
01:22:44 the uh apologies for Joseph Smith and
01:22:48 marriage I heard my brother’s opinion
01:22:50 from Utah LVS and I’ve heard you know uh
01:22:53 rlds
01:22:55 sure sure on that point I’m more uh rlds
01:22:59 but
01:23:01 um I’m not really
01:23:03 LDS and rlds both have their unique
01:23:06 problems in in my mind okay and we could
01:23:10 go over that if you want but
01:23:12 um one thing that I like this is a good
01:23:15 uh Wikipedia page
01:23:18 um
01:23:19 that shows the different numbers between
01:23:23 the two and my recent posts I try to put
01:23:25 I put both numbering systems when
01:23:28 there’s an overlap on them now it’s
01:23:30 interesting the LDS church claims
01:23:33 continuous Revelation right but the only
01:23:35 one that really publishes and canonizes
01:23:37 those is the rlds church now I disagree
01:23:41 with the ones that they put in
01:23:44 um and there’s a few in the LDS one that
01:23:46 I don’t believe are authentic
01:23:48 which
01:23:50 ironically it’s ones that the earliest
01:23:53 Church don’t find it authentic either
01:23:55 but I’ve done it not because of them but
01:23:58 because of what’s being taught in there
01:24:00 okay because what’s being taught in
01:24:02 those sections uh contradict
01:24:05 um other scriptures more about content
01:24:08 and the facts of the matter are Joseph
01:24:11 Smith himself said that if any man that
01:24:15 if any man brought before you a
01:24:17 communication that he said was from the
01:24:19 Lord you needed to check it against the
01:24:21 Bible Book of Mormon and the Doctrine
01:24:22 and Covenants and he said that when they
01:24:24 were used in the 1835 Doctrine and
01:24:26 Covenants by the way correct yeah and
01:24:29 that I I can
01:24:31 but that’s a good quote because Graham
01:24:35 you know claimed differently that oh
01:24:38 yeah it wouldn’t it doesn’t matter uh we
01:24:40 could reverse Revelation and that’s what
01:24:42 my brother
01:24:51 Joseph said that you could it needs to
01:24:54 it cannot contradict the earlier the
01:24:57 prior Revelation is I appreciate it if
01:25:00 you ever hit the wrong button
01:25:03 yeah I’ll get that to you
01:25:06 from The Book of Mormon I can show up
01:25:08 from Joe Smith I can show up on the
01:25:10 lectures on faith I can show it from the
01:25:11 DNC I can show it from the Old Testament
01:25:14 the New Testament it’s all over
01:25:22 in my conversation with family and stuff
01:25:28 yeah so the main part is right here
01:25:31 um
01:25:32 the whole quote has some interesting
01:25:34 points to it which I can
01:25:36 expound to you if you want and it’s
01:25:38 hebrewisms and there’s a lot of
01:25:40 hebrewisms in this quote but the main
01:25:42 part that you want is this last part
01:25:44 that I just highlighted but there’s also
01:25:46 this one here the one just beneath it if
01:25:49 any man preaches to you doctrines
01:25:51 contrary to the Bible the Book of Mormon
01:25:53 or the book of Doctrine and Covenants
01:25:54 set him down as an imposter try them by
01:25:58 the principles contained in the
01:26:00 acknowledged word of God if they preach
01:26:03 or teach or practice contrary to that is
01:26:06 fellowship them cut them off from Among
01:26:09 Us useless and dangerous branches
01:26:12 that is that’s my favorite quote
01:26:16 regarding
01:26:18 what was she supposed to do I think
01:26:21 what’s that link uh that you’re at can
01:26:25 you put the link in the chat I’ll put it
01:26:27 on that if there’s a link this is on my
01:26:30 OneNote okay but I’ll give it to you
01:26:34 um
01:26:35 or um
01:26:37 thanks
01:26:42 oh I probably need to do one at a time
01:26:47 I put all my notes where people can go
01:26:49 get to them if they want to and I’ll
01:26:51 give you that if you want
01:26:53 the thing is you just have to know the
01:26:55 keywords to search yeah that one right
01:26:58 there is my favorite quote it’s from the
01:27:00 times and Seasons so you can actually
01:27:02 look that up on the Internet actually
01:27:05 get it from its original Source the
01:27:07 times and Seasons If any man preaches to
01:27:10 you doctrines
01:27:11 contrary to the Bible the Book of Mormon
01:27:13 Doctrine the book of Doctrine and
01:27:14 Covenants and this was when the 1835
01:27:17 Doctrine and Covenants was being used
01:27:20 so my absolute favorite for this subject
01:27:23 is the Book of Mormon and it’s this one
01:27:25 right here second Nephi 29
01:27:28 .
01:27:28 um I’ll just do a couple highlights from
01:27:31 it
01:27:31 testimony of two Nations is a witness
01:27:34 unto you that I am Elohim that I
01:27:37 remember the nation One Nation like
01:27:39 under another another wherefore I speak
01:27:42 the same words unto One Nation like unto
01:27:44 another Nation
01:27:46 and when the two Nations shall run
01:27:49 together the testimony of the two
01:27:50 Nations shall run together also and
01:27:53 I do this then I may prove I am the same
01:27:55 yesterday today and forever
01:27:57 I know so the those are the main points
01:28:01 of this but it says I speak the same
01:28:03 thing
01:28:04 to different people to everyone and I do
01:28:07 that all the time
01:28:10 he never contradicts himself
01:28:12 never therefore to set the word of God
01:28:15 against itself is is a Fool’s errand and
01:28:19 marks one as a fool when one says that
01:28:24 the New Testament supersedes the Old
01:28:26 Testament they Mark themselves a fool
01:28:29 they don’t understand it that they think
01:28:31 it does
01:28:33 in fact I I’ve challenged people
01:28:36 find me a law in the New Testament
01:28:39 that’s not based on the law in the Old
01:28:40 Testament
01:28:42 in fact I I would even say it
01:28:44 differently but once you really start
01:28:46 doing some understanding
01:28:47 there is no quote-unquote law in the New
01:28:50 Testament that’s not expounding the law
01:28:53 from the Old Testament helping you
01:28:55 understand the Old Testament law
01:28:57 better
01:29:01 it’s not new
01:29:03 in fact
01:29:05 um probably my favorite examples of that
01:29:10 oops if I hit the right button
01:29:17 so once again I apologize for my Candor
01:29:19 I tend to speak quite um
01:29:23 I’m like I’m a hammer and everybody and
01:29:26 everything’s a nail
01:29:27 that’s fine I think you’re preaching
01:29:31 truth I wouldn’t worry about it then
01:29:34 so in the New Testament Yeshua stated I
01:29:39 give you a new commandment to love God
01:29:41 and to love your neighbor now in today’s
01:29:43 language I think a better translation
01:29:46 would be a renewed commandment because
01:29:49 that’s not a new commandment here’s in
01:29:51 Torah
01:29:52 thou shall love thy God with all thy
01:29:54 heart with all thy soul and all thy
01:29:56 might so if it was in Torah it couldn’t
01:29:59 be a brand spank a new commandment as we
01:30:02 generally think it is
01:30:04 if you look in the 1828 dictionary and
01:30:07 you look under new renew is one of those
01:30:10 definitions okay because there’s
01:30:11 multiple definitions to words one of
01:30:14 them in the new is renew now let’s go
01:30:17 look at love your neighbor oh look
01:30:19 that’s in the Torah also
01:30:22 not events nor bear any grudge against
01:30:25 the children of thy people but Thou
01:30:26 shalt love thy neighbor as thyself oh
01:30:30 wait a minute
01:30:30 that wasn’t a great spank a new
01:30:32 commandment oh wow that was a renewed
01:30:36 commandment so I believe
01:30:39 Yeshua was a restorer like Joseph Smith
01:30:43 and Moses yeah well this is obviously
01:30:46 Yeshua did was much more than just a
01:30:48 restorer but he was restoring people
01:30:51 back to truth that’s one of the things
01:30:53 he did
01:30:54 let’s go ahead Ben
01:30:55 yeah one of the things that really
01:30:59 drives home the fact
01:31:03 it’s a Thou shalt not avenge but thou
01:31:06 shall love thy neighbor as thyself and
01:31:08 now he States his authority I am Yahweh
01:31:14 it’s under his it’s under his authority
01:31:17 and when Jesus
01:31:19 restates this commandment he doesn’t he
01:31:22 doesn’t teach it new when he restates
01:31:24 this commandment
01:31:25 he does it under his own authority
01:31:28 just
01:31:29 as it was in Leviticus
01:31:32 right because
01:31:34 Yeshua is Yahweh incarnated
01:31:39 but that’s another subject all right
01:31:43 yeah
01:31:44 but yeah you know there you go there’s
01:31:47 me there’s me me and my squirrels again
01:31:49 oh well that’s fine
01:31:51 [Laughter]
01:31:56 anyways did that make that clear Charles
01:32:01 it there’s nothing new there’s not any
01:32:03 new Commandments and
01:32:06 Torah was not done away with law Moses
01:32:09 was but that’s a whole other subject and
01:32:11 I’m happy to get into it
01:32:14 okay I got yeah I have the quotes for
01:32:16 time and seasons and I’ll just refer
01:32:18 back to that
01:32:19 sure
01:32:22 so on back on the calendar a little bit
01:32:26 um oh let me give you my playlist for
01:32:28 some of them that
01:32:31 ah come on
01:32:33 sometimes
01:32:35 let’s put this over here
01:32:37 [Music]
01:32:38 darn computers for being so absolutely
01:32:41 logical yeah
01:32:43 well I understand why they’re that way
01:32:45 because I actually
01:32:47 I I my job is bossing computers around
01:32:50 AK software engineer anyways
01:32:55 um but in this playlist
01:32:58 is a really good one for you on learning
01:33:00 about the lunar Sabbath or either lunar
01:33:02 solar
01:33:04 calendar
01:33:05 now
01:33:06 this is a hodgepodge of other teachings
01:33:10 that I like from other people I don’t
01:33:12 agree 100 with each one of them but
01:33:16 um the general overall Concepts I do
01:33:19 agree with okay there’s little
01:33:21 nitty-gritty details I will be different
01:33:23 on but they’re good resources and that’s
01:33:26 why I put it in this big playlist but
01:33:28 starting it in video two
01:33:31 in this list is actually a series of
01:33:35 videos of three that help convert me to
01:33:38 the lunar Sabbath and the big part is
01:33:42 that during the three
01:33:44 first three uh moons of The Exodus
01:33:48 the Sabbath was always on the 8th 15th
01:33:52 22nd and 29th three moons in a row
01:33:55 that’s only possible on a lunar Sabbath
01:33:59 I mean a lunar solar calendar
01:34:02 now in in the Gregorian calendar you can
01:34:05 get that with two months in a row right
01:34:07 because of February
01:34:09 you can’t get that on the Gagarin
01:34:12 calendar with three months in a row or
01:34:14 three moons in a row as more properly
01:34:17 States and you can only do that on leap
01:34:19 year
01:34:21 uh uh your brain can be non-leap here
01:34:24 that you get that not least no eight
01:34:26 yeah
01:34:27 well either way no because out of
01:34:31 non-leaf year you don’t have 29 days in
01:34:33 February no no maybe you misunderstood
01:34:36 what I was trying to say well yeah
01:34:38 non-leapier you get you can get the days
01:34:42 of the month on the same day right right
01:34:45 that’s more what I was pointing to but
01:34:47 you’re right it’s missing
01:34:49 and yeah but it’s best in the 29th day
01:34:51 and therefore you can’t have it but
01:34:53 that’s only if you believe in New Moon
01:34:55 day if you just believe a continuous
01:34:57 seven day cycle you want the 20 oh yeah
01:34:59 you’ve got a point you’ve got a point
01:35:00 and then you can have them all be on the
01:35:02 same day right right and that’s more
01:35:03 what I’m going at yeah yeah okay but I I
01:35:07 do agree with you but
01:35:09 um I’m going more at defeating the
01:35:11 Gregorian concept oh oh sorry sorry no
01:35:15 that’s fine maybe I didn’t make it clear
01:35:18 um but during the three first moons of
01:35:22 The Exodus it is demonstratable
01:35:25 by scriptures that the Sabbath was
01:35:28 always on the 8th 15th 22nd 29th
01:35:32 that’s only possible with the lunar
01:35:35 solar calendar AKA lunar Sabbath
01:35:39 and then again with Joshua when he did
01:35:42 Passover
01:35:43 just by coincidence 40 years later the
01:35:47 Sabbath was on the say 8th 15th 22nd
01:35:50 29th again and then I mean there’s tons
01:35:53 of examples of this through the
01:35:55 scriptures including the New Testament
01:35:56 the Sabbath is always on the 8th 15th to
01:35:59 22nd 29th
01:36:01 without fail
01:36:04 that is not a Gregorian calendar
01:36:09 not to mention some of the problems we
01:36:11 talked about the categorian calendar
01:36:12 earlier right because it how men fixed
01:36:15 it and if you think God needs men to fix
01:36:18 this calendar you have the wrong God
01:36:22 because Yahweh is perfect and his ways
01:36:24 are perfect and his signs are perfect
01:36:26 they don’t need to be fixed by man
01:36:30 and so Walter’s sub it may seem that the
01:36:33 Sabbath on the Looney on the on the
01:36:36 Looney solar calendar is sliding all
01:36:38 over the calendar that’s only because
01:36:40 the Gregorian calendar is sliding all
01:36:43 over God’s calendar yeah in fact with my
01:36:46 app you can see that
01:36:48 um
01:36:49 right let me show that again
01:36:52 so
01:36:53 see on the lunar Sabbath calendar
01:36:56 here’s the Sabbath or blue the weekly
01:36:58 Sabbath the moonlies are the red and the
01:37:01 orange okay I’ll go to the next moon
01:37:04 oh look they’re at the same time same
01:37:07 same place right oh look again
01:37:10 I mean I could keep doing it but you get
01:37:12 the point it’s on the exact same
01:37:15 day of the week on the right calendar
01:37:17 now if you go to the Gregorian calendar
01:37:22 um
01:37:25 so like here
01:37:27 uh last lunar cycle it was on Thursday
01:37:31 on the current lunar cycle that just
01:37:33 started today it’s on Friday
01:37:35 so it looks like it’s shifting
01:37:38 you’re you’re muted Charles
01:37:40 if you wanted to say something
01:37:46 my kid it was just my kid oh okay moving
01:37:50 on
01:37:51 so I’m just I have these two different
01:37:53 views
01:37:55 um and I’m showing here
01:37:57 the Sabbath doesn’t shift according to
01:38:01 God’s calendar
01:38:02 it will look like its shift if you think
01:38:05 Gregorian mode
01:38:07 now the one thing I have here because
01:38:11 we’re in a Gregorian world right on the
01:38:14 calendar so I have the Gagarin calendar
01:38:15 but then I overlay it with the lunar
01:38:18 solar so like the 10th Moon the first
01:38:21 day as you can see right there
01:38:23 because most of us
01:38:26 we all lived in Gregorian calendar just
01:38:28 because of the world right and so it’s
01:38:30 nice to see it in this mode but if you
01:38:32 want it in the lunar solar mode
01:38:34 you have that here and then if you and
01:38:37 then I overlay it under bottom the
01:38:39 Gregorian date there so like
01:38:43 today’s is 12 23.
01:38:48 and then just FYI so you know what’s
01:38:51 going on this blue line right here is
01:38:52 showing that it’s Hanukkah
01:38:54 today’s part of Hanukkah
01:38:57 um
01:38:58 and here yes we have been enjoying our
01:39:01 Hanukkah treats
01:39:04 actually let me do this um um I have a
01:39:07 page where you can get all the high
01:39:09 holidays
01:39:10 uh Hanukkah and Purim is ascending if
01:39:13 you want to turn on and off
01:39:14 but here’s the seven commanded ones
01:39:16 Passover unleavened first fruits
01:39:19 Pentecost trumpets atonement trumpets
01:39:22 Tabernacles sorry I sent that wrong
01:39:26 and then if you want this is one of the
01:39:29 improvements I’ve made to speed it up
01:39:32 you go turn the yearly on I have to go
01:39:35 close it hold on
01:39:39 uh reopen it
01:39:42 it takes longer to start now this is one
01:39:45 of the improvements I did to speed it up
01:39:46 is make those yearly Pages optional
01:39:50 because there’s that’s what slows it
01:39:52 down for people who
01:39:54 or don’t want to wait for it it’s those
01:39:57 yearly Pages because I have tons of
01:39:59 controls on those
01:40:01 it’s seeing it’s taking a while and even
01:40:04 anyway so hold on just be a little
01:40:06 patient
01:40:13 maybe I should have just turned one on
01:40:15 instead of both
01:40:17 [Laughter]
01:40:19 it takes
01:40:21 yeah Ben’s probably used to it he’s he’s
01:40:24 running version more like this right yes
01:40:28 I I keep the yearly ones on
01:40:31 well you don’t have the setting to turn
01:40:34 it off that’s right now I’m going to be
01:40:36 publishing pushing
01:40:42 um yeah I forgot how long this is
01:40:46 sorry people
01:40:48 um I I I’m still learning the dot Maui
01:40:51 framework so I didn’t know how to turn
01:40:53 them on and off I do now so I’m almost
01:40:56 done
01:40:59 all my macro this is there we go oh
01:41:03 there you go with Hanukkah and kurum
01:41:06 what’s the is the understanding it’s a
01:41:08 custom or is it commanded uh like a new
01:41:12 revelation added Revelation how did how
01:41:15 did so Hanukkah is not commanded Yeshua
01:41:18 did celebrate it okay
01:41:21 uh with Purim
01:41:23 I have mixed feelings
01:41:28 I’m actually fairly aggressively
01:41:30 anti-puran
01:41:32 I’m getting that way
01:41:35 I I I’ve never celebrated it I just
01:41:39 thought uh whatever people want it I’ll
01:41:41 put in the in the app but if you take a
01:41:43 look at it if you take a look at it a
01:41:45 lot of the things that are
01:41:47 um surrounding a lot of the things that
01:41:49 surround it
01:41:51 it’s very Pagan in its roots yeah I I
01:41:55 had
01:41:56 um a friend Monica send me some links
01:41:59 and it yeah I I I haven’t celebrated it
01:42:03 before I’m and I’m pretty much at the
01:42:06 moment now telling people that they
01:42:08 shouldn’t in fact I’m close to adding
01:42:10 that to my pagan holiday Resource page
01:42:13 or the things I’ve gotten
01:42:16 I believe that the Festival of Lights
01:42:19 was
01:42:20 [Music]
01:42:22 uninspired Innovation I believe that
01:42:24 this I believe that Jesus believed that
01:42:27 as well because I don’t know if it was
01:42:28 Innovation I think Adam did it but
01:42:32 yeah I do
01:42:34 um but it’s not commanded and I think
01:42:37 there’s multiple reasons for that but
01:42:40 that’s neither here or there but I I
01:42:41 don’t okay so it’s this yeah okay just
01:42:43 not commanded I do believe Hanukkah is
01:42:46 authentic just not commanded okay it’s
01:42:49 authentic not commanded Purim is
01:42:52 traditional
01:42:53 a uh and I am very much leaning a pagan
01:42:57 Babylon tradition yes
01:43:01 just like the Book of Esther has very
01:43:04 strong Pagan Babylon
01:43:07 stuff kind of associated with it yeah
01:43:12 um
01:43:14 and and now I think I know why I never
01:43:17 felt inclined to work to to celebrate it
01:43:20 because it’s it yeah anyways I’ll just
01:43:24 leave it at that
01:43:25 but I’m trying to
01:43:28 the emulator is slower than in real life
01:43:30 right Ben
01:43:32 yeah exactly that’s just how emulators
01:43:36 work right yeah that’s the way it goes
01:43:39 wait come on
01:43:41 there we go okay so here you can see on
01:43:44 the Gregorian it looks like the Sabbath
01:43:47 is Shifting right
01:43:49 uh and so here you can see
01:43:52 um
01:43:55 the different holidays the underline of
01:43:57 Blues so that’s one’s going to be
01:44:00 that one’s Purim this one’s going to be
01:44:03 Passover and feast of unleavened bread
01:44:07 um
01:44:10 Chevy oat Pentecost trumpets
01:44:14 day of atonement
01:44:16 uh Tabernacles and
01:44:19 Hanukkah mines
01:44:22 so that’s what the lines are now let’s
01:44:24 go to the better mode the lunar solar
01:44:26 mode okay
01:44:29 okay come on
01:44:31 sorry ventilators are
01:44:34 are not great
01:44:43 so the reason it takes a while is
01:44:45 because there’s so many controls to do
01:44:46 all this because I have all the numbers
01:44:48 and then the lines underneath and yeah
01:44:55 that’s why with the new mode the the
01:44:57 update you have a setting to turn the
01:45:00 yearlys on yeah look at the Sabbath now
01:45:03 they’re all in alignment
01:45:05 no change
01:45:07 and every single one of them
01:45:10 on the 8th 15th 22nd and 29th
01:45:15 of the Moon
01:45:17 and you’ll see sometimes there’s 29 days
01:45:19 and sometimes there’s 30. because of the
01:45:22 change that happened around 700 BC
01:45:26 and sometimes we have the delete Moon
01:45:30 but anyways this this one we don’t
01:45:33 but it’s consistent six days work
01:45:37 seventh six days work seven oh now we
01:45:41 have new moon day so this this rest
01:45:43 right from here to here was two days
01:45:46 no orange scriptures you’ll see that
01:45:49 your rest
01:45:50 is always one day or only one day
01:45:56 it never says how long your rest is is
01:45:58 because sometimes it’s one sometimes
01:46:00 it’s two and sometimes it’s three in
01:46:02 Noah’s day it was either one or three
01:46:06 our day because of the lunar cycle issue
01:46:09 it’s one two or three
01:46:13 foreign
01:46:18 and then
01:46:19 I’ll just show this off someone made
01:46:21 this for me
01:46:22 and it goes to how it’s calculated no
01:46:25 stars see how no stars Sun Moon and
01:46:30 Shadow of the sun see this is like a
01:46:33 sundial on the moon
01:46:37 because that’s how it should be
01:46:39 determined by the Sun and the Moon
01:46:40 Shadows are determined by by the sun
01:46:43 because it’s a direct sunlight from the
01:46:45 Sun
01:46:46 thanks
01:46:52 uh it’s Charles or Christy have any
01:46:54 questions on that
01:46:58 no okay so I’m just gonna get I’ll
01:47:02 download the app and then that looks
01:47:05 very useful it looks uh yeah it’s a
01:47:07 little slow right now pretty soon I’ll
01:47:09 have an update they’ll make it much
01:47:10 faster because I’ll make it so you can
01:47:12 just load the pages that you want
01:47:14 um
01:47:15 right now I have a setting to make it so
01:47:17 you can just uh the yearlys are optional
01:47:20 but I’ve decided to make it a little
01:47:22 faster by making it so you can do the
01:47:24 Krikorian and the lunar solar optional
01:47:28 um so that way you just have one of
01:47:30 those so if you always just want the
01:47:31 Gregorian which is what most people will
01:47:33 probably look at you can make it even
01:47:35 just a slightly faster
01:47:37 so I have a few more little updates to
01:47:39 do but it’s getting close to push the
01:47:41 update
01:47:46 and Charles is Frozen
01:47:48 um they’re okay
01:47:49 anyways
01:47:51 um
01:47:53 so unless Charles or Christy has a
01:47:56 question I had one thing I wanted to
01:47:58 share
01:48:00 um
01:48:01 so unless you guys have something I want
01:48:03 to share a thought that I have
01:48:06 to
01:48:07 um basically be Marines together to see
01:48:10 to check me on it because
01:48:13 I haven’t checked myself on it yet
01:48:15 because I’ve been busy on other things
01:48:18 um
01:48:19 and so maybe I thought we could do it
01:48:21 together as a group unless you guys have
01:48:22 some other questions you want to talk
01:48:23 about
01:48:26 no Okay so
01:48:30 um
01:48:31 Abraham and Isaac
01:48:35 there’s
01:48:37 a point with that that I’ve always
01:48:40 struggled with right
01:48:44 and I’ve never really known what to do
01:48:46 with it but I’ve just
01:48:49 let it be because I mean I I believe
01:48:52 Abraham Isaac and Jacob were real and
01:48:54 that they’re prophets and I didn’t know
01:48:57 what to do with this okay
01:48:59 but
01:49:00 supposedly
01:49:02 Yahweh told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac
01:49:07 I don’t know what text it actually
01:49:08 states that I know people will read into
01:49:11 that to get that
01:49:15 and
01:49:19 my problem with it is first of all
01:49:23 if someone did something that was
01:49:25 deserving of capital punishment that is
01:49:27 not how Torah States
01:49:28 for capital punishment to be done
01:49:31 okay
01:49:35 so a couple a little more than a week
01:49:38 ago I believe I got an answer on this
01:49:42 now let me give some background so in
01:49:44 Torah
01:49:46 the first born son is supposed to be
01:49:49 given to Yahweh
01:49:51 now if you don’t you’re supposed to pay
01:49:53 a redeeming price for your firstborn son
01:49:56 so that way it doesn’t have to be his
01:49:58 so you can keep them yourself
01:50:01 um
01:50:02 also to go along with this
01:50:05 who’s
01:50:06 even with the wicked Egyptians who is
01:50:10 the only ones that were killed
01:50:12 there’s the firstborn Sons the firstborn
01:50:15 sons are yahwehs
01:50:18 they’re rightfully yahwehs
01:50:22 period now in Torah there’s the thing
01:50:25 where you can redeem them and you can
01:50:26 keep them yourself okay
01:50:27 and this points to Yahweh
01:50:31 um
01:50:34 and it was the firstborn sons who
01:50:37 weren’t over underneath yeshua’s
01:50:40 Covenant that are the ones that got
01:50:42 destroyed right
01:50:44 Abraham grew up in a pagan society that
01:50:49 when they gave their sons to their false
01:50:52 god
01:50:53 they literally sacrificed them did human
01:50:56 sacrifice okay
01:50:59 so what I believe what happened
01:51:02 Yahweh told Abraham
01:51:04 the Isaac
01:51:06 was his
01:51:10 but sadly
01:51:12 Abraham
01:51:14 instead of doing it yahweh’s way did it
01:51:18 the Pagan way because
01:51:20 now
01:51:22 I believe Yahweh told him how it was
01:51:24 supposed to be beforehand and Abraham
01:51:26 probably forgot
01:51:28 because I I don’t know about you guys
01:51:30 but as you unlearn false traditions
01:51:34 and to try to learn
01:51:35 the right traditions
01:51:38 sometimes you forget the right ways and
01:51:40 still go back to the wrong ways
01:51:42 sometimes right I don’t know about you
01:51:44 guys but I have okay
01:51:46 I think that’s what happened with
01:51:48 Abraham
01:51:50 Yahweh told okay
01:51:52 Isaac’s is mine you need to give him to
01:51:55 me
01:51:56 Abraham went back on his
01:52:00 faults Pagan Traditions that his father
01:52:02 taught him and did it that way instead
01:52:05 of the way that Yahweh intended to do it
01:52:08 but at the same time Yahweh took that
01:52:11 history
01:52:12 to teach us about him and his son
01:52:18 okay that is what I believe happened
01:52:22 okay
01:52:24 um in the record
01:52:26 what it says
01:52:29 Genesis chapter 22. okay so let’s go get
01:52:32 there
01:52:34 I mean
01:52:38 now there are several things that lead
01:52:41 me to believe that I that the King James
01:52:43 is a bad translation number one it says
01:52:46 that God tempted Abraham the tempted
01:52:48 yeah so actually all along those lines
01:52:51 um let’s go first of all let’s go see if
01:52:53 there’s a jst right that’s going to be a
01:52:56 good thing
01:52:58 um and then we can go to Bible Hub
01:53:00 because yes I I do agree that it does it
01:53:04 does say that that’s the Hebrew that the
01:53:06 Hebrew for that says means test or prove
01:53:11 um well I I still think it was a test
01:53:14 yeah oh well of course it’s always a
01:53:17 test if anything but what was it a test
01:53:19 of was it that you would kill him I
01:53:22 don’t believe so or that he was
01:53:26 after we go through here we also we also
01:53:29 need to go through Hebrews
01:53:32 and James
01:53:35 so there are because James actually has
01:53:38 a lot to say about this in his reference
01:53:41 to um as he’s talking about uh
01:53:48 um faith and works
01:53:51 okay
01:53:53 um do you know the New Testament there
01:53:55 and I do so we’ll you’ll kind of lead
01:53:57 and guide us as we’re you’re testing my
01:54:00 uh belief here right so which first you
01:54:04 want to look at in 22. okay 22
01:54:08 let’s see well we’ll start in verse one
01:54:12 it came to pass after these things that
01:54:14 God did try Abraham and said unto him
01:54:16 Abraham and Abraham said behold here am
01:54:19 I and the Lord said take now thy son
01:54:22 thine only Isaac
01:54:25 whom thou lovest and get thee into the
01:54:27 land of Moriah and offer him there for a
01:54:29 burnt offering tells him straightly to
01:54:31 offer him forever
01:54:33 on one of the mountains which I shall
01:54:35 which I will tell thee of
01:54:38 okay well and Abraham rose up early in
01:54:42 the morning and saddled his ass and took
01:54:45 two of his young men with him and
01:54:46 Isaac’s son okay let’s go look at Bible
01:54:50 Hub on that verse because that right
01:54:52 there would almost kind of gold on the
01:54:54 what I’m my theory is wrong right just
01:54:58 that right there
01:54:59 does that verse alone
01:55:03 um which kind of saddens me but let’s go
01:55:05 do Bible Hub
01:55:07 and it says
01:55:08 0.2
01:55:10 and that was verse two I think right
01:55:13 yeah
01:55:16 the art offering section
01:55:21 okay bird offering
01:55:23 go and set numbers
01:55:31 okay look at this to go up Ascend climb
01:55:35 so
01:55:37 not I
01:55:39 and we got to be careful with this
01:55:40 because
01:55:42 um some people do it just to get what
01:55:43 they want but at the same time
01:55:46 that doesn’t actually say offering does
01:55:48 it
01:55:49 yeah but what about the word for burnt
01:55:54 um okay let’s look at that one
01:56:01 in fact actually because because the two
01:56:04 together because of the two together if
01:56:06 you you isolate the two words apart from
01:56:09 each other you can make it
01:56:11 and again it’s Ascent the ideas well but
01:56:15 that’s not burnt
01:56:18 I I I’ll be honest how are they getting
01:56:21 burnt out of a Ascent other than the
01:56:23 smoke going up right right the smoke a
01:56:26 sense that’s the idea sure sure but
01:56:30 let’s look at the inner linear a little
01:56:32 bit only yeah now take
01:56:36 so let’s take
01:56:40 patch you know uh life holders
01:56:46 well the Seas is like maybe you could go
01:56:49 along with what the English is kind of
01:56:52 saying right yep received well I’m not
01:56:56 may not necessarily say that or fetch
01:57:00 right
01:57:03 um acquire I I don’t know what to do
01:57:06 with that one buy bring bring wouldn’t
01:57:08 go with that because it just come along
01:57:10 right
01:57:13 um Mary wouldn’t go along with this
01:57:14 context
01:57:17 snatch could go along with how the
01:57:19 English is foreign
01:57:21 take away people with English
01:57:25 so just looking at various of these
01:57:28 words there’s some that would go with
01:57:29 how the English currently is and some
01:57:31 that would say maybe it’s not right
01:57:33 let’s go down to the bird offering okay
01:57:36 that seems to be where the Hang Up is
01:57:39 well I
01:57:42 maybe because like here take the take is
01:57:45 more
01:57:46 that that translation was saying it’d be
01:57:48 more him but if he if he comes along
01:57:52 it doesn’t necessarily mean it would be
01:57:54 him because
01:57:57 um more what I would be getting on with
01:57:59 this they could just do the the wood
01:58:01 offering
01:58:04 well yeah I think that possibly right
01:58:07 I’m just thinking out loud here
01:58:10 yeah let’s go to the bird
01:58:13 uh so there’s a a lot being translated
01:58:17 from this one word as a burnt offering
01:58:20 okay
01:58:22 whole burnt offering
01:58:24 Ascent stairway steps
01:58:30 um
01:58:32 so send I guess yeah Ascend the well you
01:58:35 don’t have steps at the altar
01:58:37 right this would be assigning the um
01:58:40 the ramp
01:58:41 yeah
01:58:44 um
01:58:45 no one thing I I haven’t figured out so
01:58:48 look we go here
01:58:51 it says Holbert offering that sends
01:58:53 stairway
01:58:54 but when we go here
01:58:59 ‘s the difference yeah definition of
01:59:02 whole bird offering
01:59:11 okay all right so let’s so let’s
01:59:14 actually take a look at some of the
01:59:15 things that kind of inform our
01:59:18 understanding of those okay
01:59:20 because I The Book of Mormon doesn’t say
01:59:22 much about this at all this event I mean
01:59:25 no it says a little bit but not enough
01:59:27 that I I think you could
01:59:29 take it one way or the other but let’s
01:59:31 let’s look at some of the other things
01:59:32 you want to you think that we should
01:59:34 test
01:59:38 let’s take a look at
01:59:41 you said James yes
01:59:46 there’s James and the yeah Hebrews is
01:59:50 he’s referring to this as into what
01:59:54 Abraham did as a sign of his great faith
01:59:56 but let’s take a look at James okay
02:00:00 and leave Faith versus Works argument
02:00:03 our faith and works argument which I I
02:00:06 think in the two are actually really
02:00:08 combined but here we go they’re
02:00:10 complementary to each other they’re
02:00:11 complementary to each other
02:00:14 was not Abraham verse starting in verse
02:00:16 21 James chapter 2 Which chapter
02:00:19 chapter two okay
02:00:22 um verse 21.
02:00:25 was not Abraham Our Father justified by
02:00:27 works when he had offered Isaac his son
02:00:30 upon the altar
02:00:32 see yourself how Faith wrought with his
02:00:34 works and by works was Faith made
02:00:37 perfect
02:00:39 the script and the scripture was
02:00:41 fulfilled which saith Abraham believed
02:00:44 God and it was imputed unto him for
02:00:47 righteousness and he was called the
02:00:50 friend of God so it just things this is
02:00:55 actually just a contradiction this it
02:00:57 seems to me that this is a contradiction
02:00:59 that Abraham had to face
02:01:01 so the way that I read this is Abraham
02:01:05 Our Father justified by works I mean he
02:01:08 acted on what he believed and
02:01:11 and when he offered Isaac his son upon
02:01:13 the altar so this is not actually
02:01:15 stating that God commanded that but
02:01:18 that’s what he did
02:01:21 right
02:01:22 and so faith brought with his works and
02:01:26 by works was Faith made perfect
02:01:29 right that one one thing though
02:01:33 um
02:01:34 and I’ve done this myself
02:01:37 or maybe I’m just trying to justify my
02:01:38 theory here okay
02:01:40 but
02:01:41 um
02:01:42 when God has given me stuff and I’ve
02:01:45 seen this in my own lock and learning
02:01:47 and here from 2014 to now okay that
02:01:54 I did things wrong when God told me to
02:01:57 do something at first now I believe
02:02:01 that
02:02:03 because I acted on what I
02:02:06 thought was right
02:02:08 that it was accounted to me for
02:02:11 righteousness like it was now the
02:02:13 interesting thing is is that God does
02:02:15 stop Abraham
02:02:17 from actually
02:02:19 laying the killing blow right now if
02:02:22 Abraham actually if God Elohim actually
02:02:25 told Abraham to do it would he stop him
02:02:28 because wouldn’t that go against what we
02:02:29 talked about earlier because that would
02:02:31 be a contradicting revelation
02:02:34 right right should we go look at that
02:02:35 again
02:02:37 now let’s go back to back to 22. Genesis
02:02:41 well I I no I’m just saying with the
02:02:44 same that God doesn’t contradict oh yeah
02:02:48 yeah on what we just happened to talk
02:02:51 about earlier right
02:02:53 how does it be asked don’t be by a bad
02:02:56 Angel by his contradicting a former
02:02:59 Revelation so now let’s apply this in
02:03:01 this instance here
02:03:03 if Yahweh actually did tell Abraham to
02:03:07 do the sacrificing of his son
02:03:12 when the angel coming down telling him
02:03:14 to stop be contradicting
02:03:16 right
02:03:18 and so that’s why I’m wondering
02:03:21 and believe that Genesis 22
02:03:27 is a bad translation looking at it
02:03:29 because if God actually told him
02:03:33 to do it and then not to do it that’s a
02:03:36 contradicting of former Revelation he’s
02:03:39 contradicting his own words yeah yeah
02:03:42 and when we look at the James verse
02:03:45 right that you brought out
02:03:47 I don’t actually see it stating that God
02:03:51 told him no it’s just saying that he’s
02:03:54 just saying that’s what he did
02:03:56 he was justified it was justified by his
02:03:59 works and being obedient to what he
02:04:01 thought the command was right and that’s
02:04:03 how I’m reading it so here’s a question
02:04:06 that we should I don’t know if anybody
02:04:09 knows any off top of the hand I don’t
02:04:10 know if that the only one that I could
02:04:13 see is is Nephi he strolled to keep the
02:04:17 Commandments emitting that he didn’t do
02:04:21 it
02:04:22 always correctly right but knowing Nephi
02:04:26 at that point was that I think in second
02:04:29 Nephi four I think I can find it if you
02:04:32 want
02:04:33 politically on the way back
02:04:36 um
02:04:36 I believe the works that although
02:04:41 Nephi made some mistakes it was still
02:04:43 counted for him for righteousness
02:04:52 okay go ahead Charles
02:04:54 okay so I have Joseph uh Benson’s
02:04:57 commentary so he’s like kind of late uh
02:05:01 18th early 19th but really late 18th
02:05:04 century he’s a Methodist Englishman
02:05:07 but um so he’d probably be traditional
02:05:10 view right so he kind of talks about in
02:05:13 the his commentary how first he was
02:05:15 called out out of the land of chaldees
02:05:17 the land of his fathers and that was the
02:05:20 first test that he did not make an idol
02:05:23 you know to prove his faith that he did
02:05:25 not make an idol of his own father and
02:05:28 his remember the household of his father
02:05:30 too and he had to sacrifice that Idol
02:05:33 that whatever
02:05:35 vain affections he might have had toward
02:05:39 his own household the household of his
02:05:42 own father he had to sacrifice that and
02:05:45 then that’s an interesting wording on
02:05:46 that because okay
02:05:49 and then well Benson says I’m not going
02:05:52 to read it because one thing I have a
02:05:54 hard time reading even with glasses but
02:05:57 he sees he says
02:06:00 that even after that trial his the the
02:06:05 refining of his faith had not end ended
02:06:09 it continued even to his son and that
02:06:12 this was another test so basically
02:06:16 this kind of this is like a reference to
02:06:18 Romans 5 where he talks about the the
02:06:22 value of where Paul talks about the
02:06:24 value of tribulation
02:06:27 that from it we receive hope you know
02:06:29 and and faith right and it goes to the
02:06:32 same thing Benjamin was saying so maybe
02:06:34 it’s a soccer the sacrifice that was
02:06:36 being commanded here you know in the uh
02:06:39 hidden wisdom of the Lord was
02:06:43 um the the sacrifice in the idol of his
02:06:46 familiar you know of his his own son
02:06:50 his flesh and blood right and
02:06:52 technically it’s also the idol it’s also
02:06:54 the it’s also the idol of the promise
02:06:57 it’s also the uh Isaac was the son of
02:07:01 the promise
02:07:03 [Music]
02:07:05 so potentially to demonstrate his faith
02:07:08 that the Lord would still fulfill his
02:07:10 promise even if Isaac was taken from him
02:07:13 sure and I I it was a sacrifice not of
02:07:15 the son but of an idol see what I’m
02:07:17 saying right it’s that he hit his
02:07:20 relationship with his son what was
02:07:23 supposed to be offered on the altars but
02:07:26 I’m getting from Charles right yeah
02:07:29 uh and I I can definitely see that
02:07:32 um because I that would go along with my
02:07:34 theory so maybe I’m being biased but
02:07:36 that makes some sense
02:07:40 um because
02:07:41 James
02:07:42 verse that we just looked at from Ben
02:07:45 um
02:07:46 I don’t see that it actually states that
02:07:48 God told him
02:07:49 no do the physical
02:07:53 sacrificing now I think what happened
02:07:56 was
02:07:57 that
02:08:00 Abraham
02:08:02 was willing to let go of his son
02:08:05 but he went about it the wrong way
02:08:11 right because Abraham for a very very
02:08:15 long time just like in today’s world
02:08:17 peop a lot of guys want this specific
02:08:20 car for a long long time and they do
02:08:22 everything they can to get that car and
02:08:23 that car is their idle right or perhaps
02:08:26 maybe this is going off how Abraham now
02:08:29 that he finally got his son that he
02:08:30 wanted for such a long long long time he
02:08:34 became his Idol
02:08:38 thank you
02:08:41 um so we can go look at some of the
02:08:43 other verses from the New Testament you
02:08:45 want to look at but I think
02:08:46 James
02:08:49 I don’t think it contradicts my theory I
02:08:52 don’t think it does
02:08:54 um but this is where we need to be
02:08:55 bereans and look at lots of things and I
02:08:57 think that was a good commentary from
02:08:58 Charles right yep
02:09:02 um
02:09:03 so
02:09:05 uh where do you want to go next
02:09:07 the Hebrews somewhere Hebrews chapter
02:09:09 11.
02:09:10 okay
02:09:15 all right starting in verse eight
02:09:18 yeah hold on
02:09:20 I don’t have the order memorized
02:09:23 11 8.
02:09:29 okay
02:09:31 by faith
02:09:33 Abraham when he was called out into a
02:09:36 place which he should have to receive
02:09:37 for an inheritance obeyed and he went
02:09:40 out not knowing whether he went
02:09:43 by faith he sojourned in the land of
02:09:46 promise as in a strange country
02:09:48 dwelling in Tabernacles with Isaac and
02:09:51 Jacob The Heirs with him of the same
02:09:53 promise
02:09:54 for he looked for a city which hath
02:09:56 foundations whose Builder and maker is
02:09:58 God
02:09:59 through faith also Sarah herself
02:10:02 received strength to conceive seed and
02:10:04 was delivered of a child when she was
02:10:06 past age because she judged him faithful
02:10:09 who had promised
02:10:11 so just interesting thing like last week
02:10:14 we read some stuff about marriage where
02:10:17 it says um
02:10:19 passed her flower or something like that
02:10:21 right I don’t remember the exact phrase
02:10:23 I can look at again but I would say
02:10:24 that’s what the past age and past
02:10:26 flowers they’re both the same thing but
02:10:28 anyways
02:10:29 exactly yeah exactly
02:10:33 now therefore spraying there even of one
02:10:36 and him as good as dead
02:10:39 so many as the stars of the sky and the
02:10:42 multitude
02:10:43 and as the sand which by the seashore
02:10:45 innumerable
02:10:47 he’s all died in faith not having
02:10:49 received the promises but having seen
02:10:51 them afar off and we’re persuaded of
02:10:53 them embrace them and confessed that
02:10:56 they were strangers and pilgrims on the
02:10:57 Earth
02:10:58 for they that say such things declare
02:11:00 plainly that they seek a country
02:11:03 and truly if they had been mindful of
02:11:06 that country from whence they came out
02:11:08 they might have had opportunity to have
02:11:10 returned but now they desire a better
02:11:12 country that is unheavenly therefore God
02:11:16 is not ashamed to be called their God
02:11:17 for he hath prepared for them a city now
02:11:20 verse 17.
02:11:22 by faith Abraham when he was tried
02:11:24 offered up Isaac and he that had
02:11:28 received the promises offered up his
02:11:30 only begotten son okay well this one’s a
02:11:33 an important verse right there right yep
02:11:36 God tried Abraham now one that uh you
02:11:40 were like pointing out from Isaiah 2 or
02:11:43 3 is how the only way that God tries
02:11:45 people is by Torah
02:11:47 yep
02:11:48 and what’s the Torah command about the
02:11:51 firstborn son to offer them they would
02:11:53 be offered offered onto the Lord at the
02:11:55 temple not as a burnt offering but as
02:11:58 right Mr of the lord well they didn’t
02:12:01 have a temple so this was the the
02:12:04 closest to that okay
02:12:06 yeah
02:12:08 but that’s offering up the firstborn son
02:12:10 like God commanded yeah God only tries
02:12:13 us through the law right that’s a law
02:12:16 that’s what the law is what God inflicts
02:12:19 Upon Us according right right and I’m
02:12:21 just going off of your your statement
02:12:22 from
02:12:23 mosiah chapter 3 19. okay anyways
02:12:28 but how does he try Us by the law
02:12:31 and the law in this case in my opinion
02:12:35 is giving your firstborn son unto him
02:12:41 meaning he’s going to be dedicated in
02:12:43 yahweh’s service and so he’s not going
02:12:45 to be your son
02:12:47 right
02:12:49 yeah he is no longer your son
02:12:52 right yeah so give up his only begotten
02:12:56 son of whom it was said that in Isaac
02:12:58 shall all thy seed be called right but
02:13:01 the thing is there’s nothing up here
02:13:03 about actually
02:13:06 killing him in that verse 17 right God
02:13:10 never said to kill him but I think
02:13:12 that’s how but the dedicated
02:13:15 to dedicate him but that’s how Abraham
02:13:18 took it because of the false Traditions
02:13:20 that he grew up in
02:13:22 yeah
02:13:25 okay but it said in Genesis 22 uh a
02:13:29 burnt offer and give him as a your son
02:13:30 is a burnt offer so that’s where
02:13:33 um look at the translation
02:13:36 we were starting to look at the
02:13:38 translation so I mean I think there’s
02:13:39 some
02:13:40 I would hate to say this but there’s
02:13:42 some wiggle room there when we look at
02:13:44 the Interlinear
02:13:46 and and the Hebrew meanings of some of
02:13:48 the words but so after we’re done
02:13:50 looking at some of these New Testament
02:13:51 verses we need to go back to that uh
02:13:53 Genesis 22 2. but I agree Genesis 22 2
02:13:58 oh that’s like a tongue twister is a
02:14:01 tricky one
02:14:05 let’s see uh accounting that God was
02:14:09 able to raise him up even from the dead
02:14:11 from whence healed from Once also he
02:14:13 received him in him in a figure so 19. I
02:14:17 think this is this thing this is what
02:14:18 Abraham was thinking was going through
02:14:20 his mind when this happened
02:14:23 he was trying to put God’s ways or put
02:14:29 the Pagan ways and seeing how what God’s
02:14:31 promises are to how it would work out
02:14:37 right well it’s it’s talking about yeah
02:14:41 but I do think that but this stuff is
02:14:45 all the kind this is the stuff that I
02:14:47 was this is the kind of stuff that I was
02:14:49 talking about is out here
02:14:51 um
02:14:55 yeah I don’t it never once here but
02:14:58 you’re right it never once here States
02:15:00 specifically that the Lord said that but
02:15:02 let me go back to
02:15:04 Genesis 22 too and that’s pretty
02:15:07 explicit well in the English translation
02:15:09 I would agree with that so let’s go back
02:15:11 to that right
02:15:15 um because I I think the key is Genesis
02:15:20 22 2 right how could possibly translate
02:15:25 that or interpret that right
02:15:27 Yep this is where I think the
02:15:29 Interlinear would be helpful because
02:15:33 um
02:15:33 but I’ll admit I’m no Hebrew expert
02:15:37 okay
02:15:39 um
02:15:40 so all and offer him
02:15:43 that’s getting off of
02:15:46 just right here okay
02:15:48 [Music]
02:15:51 and so this one is definitely an
02:15:53 offering okay I can I can go with that
02:15:56 to go up Ascend climb
02:15:59 right so now let’s look at the one
02:16:01 before
02:16:02 the burnt offering okay so in Torah and
02:16:07 this this is in fact this is interesting
02:16:09 so we’re looking at this
02:16:10 on the subject of law of Moses okay
02:16:16 there’s
02:16:18 a part here in the law of Moses so that
02:16:21 I’m not sure if Islam Moses or not and
02:16:24 this right here makes me think it
02:16:26 possibly is not okay so there’s the
02:16:29 animal sacrifice
02:16:31 but there’s also just the wood offering
02:16:35 I
02:16:37 so the yeah the the
02:16:41 wood offering is eternal just like
02:16:44 yeshua’s work is eternal as stated in
02:16:47 second neat by 29.
02:16:50 and if that’s internal
02:16:52 that’s Torah
02:16:55 right
02:16:56 and so that could be what this burnt
02:16:59 offering is because that’s referred as a
02:17:01 burnt offering
02:17:03 well it burned offline when the when the
02:17:08 oldest son
02:17:10 where the oldest son is dedicated to the
02:17:12 Lord
02:17:14 [Music]
02:17:15 is there a wood off is there a wood
02:17:17 offering associated with that uh that’s
02:17:20 a good question I don’t have an answer
02:17:21 so that’s some homework that we should
02:17:23 be doing
02:17:26 um
02:17:27 I I don’t know off the top of my head
02:17:30 um I’d have to look into that
02:17:32 because if if there is
02:17:35 that would support my theory right
02:17:38 that’s right and if there isn’t then
02:17:42 doesn’t negate it but it it does make
02:17:46 but now we have a problem well not
02:17:48 necessarily because they could just been
02:17:49 gone to go during the done the burnt
02:17:51 offering together that wood burn
02:17:53 offering together yeah that’s it I see
02:17:55 what you’re saying because here
02:17:58 this offer
02:18:00 this word for offering
02:18:03 the hymn is not actually in Hebrew
02:18:07 right that’s been added English and so
02:18:10 this hymn could be
02:18:13 that I’m inclined to think at this point
02:18:15 that is a translator bias
02:18:19 it’s possible it’s possible right I
02:18:23 don’t know for sure it’s possible
02:18:26 um
02:18:27 because this as
02:18:31 that’s not in that word
02:18:34 no and that is but but
02:18:38 that word’s a whole burnt offering right
02:18:41 but it could be the wood burnt offering
02:18:44 so be the wood bird offering it could be
02:18:46 the ram that the Lord had prepared for
02:18:48 them it could be sure
02:18:51 um
02:18:52 but I now I
02:18:56 I don’t think
02:18:58 Yahweh would have told him
02:19:00 that there was going to be around there
02:19:02 just because just going off some of the
02:19:04 other contexts in in these versions here
02:19:07 okay yeah because it was a trial
02:19:10 right
02:19:12 I think yeah we taught him what to do
02:19:16 but it was probably far enough back that
02:19:17 maybe Abraham didn’t remember and he
02:19:20 went back to his old Pagan ways
02:19:24 not knowing any better but he still was
02:19:27 trying to do what Yahweh told him to do
02:19:29 although he did it incorrectly kind of
02:19:32 like when I look at my history of waking
02:19:36 up I’ve tried to do things the way that
02:19:39 Yahweh Yahweh told me to do that I made
02:19:42 mistakes along those in doing it but
02:19:48 um
02:19:51 I I don’t know the best way to put this
02:19:57 well to
02:19:59 I mean I and I’ve experienced fairly
02:20:01 similar things but uh as I’ve tried to
02:20:05 be more obedient to the Commandments I
02:20:07 didn’t always know all the right things
02:20:09 to do or what the how that how
02:20:12 everything fit together
02:20:14 mm-hmm and so I went off of the best
02:20:17 information that I had
02:20:19 the Lord
02:20:21 seen my obedience to the best
02:20:23 information that I had gave me better
02:20:25 information
02:20:26 right and I think I wonder if that’s
02:20:29 what’s going on here
02:20:31 although there’s some maybe in my
02:20:34 opinion that some bad translations okay
02:20:37 now here’s a question
02:20:40 can we find of examples in the
02:20:43 scriptures that explicitly state that
02:20:48 explicitly state state that
02:20:52 although your your attempts although
02:20:56 were
02:20:58 not correct were counted for you for
02:21:01 righteousness
02:21:04 because one thing that we do have
02:21:08 that I think supports my theory is that
02:21:11 Yahweh does not contradict his word
02:21:14 and
02:21:16 if the angel told him to not sacrifice
02:21:20 Isaac when Yahweh told him to do it
02:21:23 that’s a contradiction
02:21:25 right
02:21:26 so using that logic alone I think and
02:21:30 given the fact this whole that the whole
02:21:33 thing has counted Abraham for
02:21:34 righteousness
02:21:40 Well I this is where can we find other
02:21:43 examples where
02:21:45 someone
02:21:46 was trying to do the right thing but did
02:21:49 it incorrectly and it was counted for
02:21:51 him for righteousness
02:21:52 and if so that would definitely support
02:21:54 my theory
02:21:57 us
02:21:58 and I don’t know what I’ll talk my head
02:22:01 I yeah I can’t I can’t think of one
02:22:04 straight up
02:22:05 no I can’t either however however
02:22:11 um
02:22:13 as I think about it now I can see here
02:22:17 God giving Abraham
02:22:20 better information
02:22:22 as the whole thing goes along the thing
02:22:25 is is that Abraham was obedient to every
02:22:28 word of God throughout this experience
02:22:32 um where’s this say that
02:22:35 well
02:22:37 do the best of his understanding well
02:22:39 yeah okay so the best of his
02:22:40 understanding sure okay I’ll go with
02:22:42 that
02:22:45 and
02:22:47 that is I mean and that is
02:22:51 the fact that God sent an angel
02:22:54 indicates
02:22:58 that he was stopping Abraham from doing
02:23:00 something potentially damning to his
02:23:01 soul
02:23:05 yeah I agree because I would have been
02:23:06 murdered it was an intervention
02:23:09 right
02:23:12 I agree
02:23:13 and so
02:23:15 um
02:23:20 it would have been manslaughter well I
02:23:22 don’t know I still could have been in
02:23:23 Murder though because he Isaac wouldn’t
02:23:25 didn’t do anything to deserve that
02:23:27 capital punishment and even on top of
02:23:30 that that’s not how capital punishment
02:23:33 is done unspecified to be done in Torah
02:23:36 right that’s actually that it’s actually
02:23:39 absolutely against one right it is
02:23:44 the sacrifice and to worship as the
02:23:46 pagans do sacrificing their own children
02:23:49 is against Torah right and we know from
02:23:52 the book of Abraham that happened to
02:23:54 Abraham
02:23:56 and so this is where I think it’s
02:23:59 going off of his false Traditions that
02:24:01 maybe he had not fully let go of
02:24:04 but I still think Yahweh told him the
02:24:06 right way to do it beforehand it’s just
02:24:09 Abraham forgot
02:24:12 because I don’t believe Yahweh would
02:24:15 tell him well
02:24:16 in a way that he had not already
02:24:18 instructed him how to do it’s just he
02:24:20 forgot
02:24:28 I have examples of Yahweh giving people
02:24:30 on the job training
02:24:33 uh sure sure I and I I will agree with
02:24:36 that but this
02:24:39 and so that could apply here I think
02:24:42 it’s kind of extreme but it could apply
02:24:47 um but the point that him Yahweh
02:24:51 teaching him what he should have been
02:24:52 done beforehand is not my major point I
02:24:55 just I well not well
02:24:57 my point is my point is
02:25:01 is that what I see here as I read
02:25:03 through it and as I read everything else
02:25:05 surrounding it all the commentary a lot
02:25:07 of the commentary in the scriptures
02:25:09 themselves surrounding this
02:25:12 Abraham was getting on the job training
02:25:15 you received my command so maybe he
02:25:18 wasn’t taught before and he just he
02:25:21 received a commitment uh oh
02:25:24 okay uh let’s be obedient to the Lord
02:25:27 goes off and the Lord’s like hey wait a
02:25:30 minute no that’s not how I said to do it
02:25:33 yeah
02:25:36 there’s a land there’s a ram over here
02:25:38 you guys are supposed to come up to the
02:25:40 mountain
02:25:41 we were supposed to dedicate your son to
02:25:43 me
02:25:44 now
02:25:47 well I I don’t think the original
02:25:48 commandment included the ram I think the
02:25:51 Commandment was that he’s mine you need
02:25:54 to offer him to me and then Abraham
02:25:58 and then if it was really completely on
02:26:00 job training
02:26:02 um yeah would have reseted back to his
02:26:05 Pagan ways that’s right
02:26:09 yeah and so I I can see that because
02:26:11 whether he was taught the right way
02:26:13 before if it was on on job training
02:26:17 is not the major issue here it’s
02:26:20 what was the actual command
02:26:23 [Music]
02:26:26 I do think that the actual command was
02:26:28 to
02:26:30 offer up his son
02:26:34 obviously burnt offering Holbert
02:26:37 offering was a part of it
02:26:40 and that’s not necessarily that Isaac
02:26:43 was supposed to be the burnt offer
02:26:45 correct and I I think he wasn’t supposed
02:26:48 to be but we don’t have the actual thus
02:26:51 well this is where we have a bad English
02:26:54 translation of it right in my opinion
02:26:58 and yeah especially as you look at the
02:27:00 Interlinear you can see
02:27:02 there are how many words they’re getting
02:27:04 off of one and some of these words could
02:27:08 be translator bias
02:27:12 some of these words are actually some of
02:27:15 these words are actually put in there to
02:27:18 actually
02:27:19 hide Torah they’re there to hide Torah
02:27:23 and to justify the the spiritual
02:27:27 practices of the trans the spiritual
02:27:30 practices of the organizations that that
02:27:33 we’re funding the translators
02:27:35 yes I I don’t know specifically in this
02:27:37 case but in general I do agree with that
02:27:39 statement actually
02:27:42 do you know for this case
02:27:46 the uh
02:27:54 the
02:27:56 I do know for a fact what I do know for
02:27:59 a fact is that the because it’s recorded
02:28:01 in the scriptures
02:28:03 that the Israelites did offer their
02:28:06 children to moloch
02:28:08 when they were in a sinful State when
02:28:10 they were in a sinful state so what
02:28:13 better way to justify that
02:28:17 the neighborhood
02:28:19 yep
02:28:20 that’s an interesting point
02:28:29 but then I have it I tend to take a dark
02:28:31 view on people generally well no well I
02:28:35 think that’s a very valid point that you
02:28:38 just made there though
02:28:40 um
02:28:40 right
02:28:43 um and so
02:28:46 I just kind of put this verse in
02:28:48 question especially considering maybe
02:28:51 it’s more than just translator bias it
02:28:53 maybe it was modified before the
02:28:56 translators right yes I do believe it is
02:28:59 possible which I think is what you’re
02:29:01 pointing to but at the same time just
02:29:05 going off for translator bias there’s
02:29:07 the him and as
02:29:11 it could just be do a burnt offering
02:29:15 with him
02:29:16 yeah
02:29:19 um on the mountain which I shall tell
02:29:21 you of
02:29:21 right
02:29:24 um but where
02:29:27 with
02:29:29 depending what you think the the rest of
02:29:32 the context or what needs to be done
02:29:34 could be taken multiple ways right
02:29:41 I mean the words themselves don’t
02:29:43 specify
02:29:45 the Hebrew underneath yeah the Hebrew
02:29:48 under in the Hebrew underlay does not
02:29:50 specify that Isaac was supposed to be
02:29:52 sacrificed I don’t believe so and that’s
02:29:56 why I wanted to go to the Interlinear
02:29:57 because to me I’m seeing translator bias
02:30:03 well and I see more than that but that’s
02:30:06 just me and well I can see where you’re
02:30:09 getting with that but I’m
02:30:12 I see that as a possibility but at the
02:30:14 same time with what’s here I can see how
02:30:16 it can be translated by us yeah
02:30:20 well the facts of the matter are
02:30:23 um
02:30:25 the Catholic Church
02:30:29 also deter has also done terrible things
02:30:32 to children
02:30:33 and yes
02:30:35 I have they still do
02:30:38 right but um
02:30:42 anyways the translations the translate
02:30:45 the King James translation occurred long
02:30:48 ago
02:30:50 sure but
02:30:52 um so if there’s translator bias so if
02:30:55 there’s translator bias in the King
02:30:57 James version it’s based on
02:31:01 it’s based on justifying things that
02:31:03 were being done then
02:31:08 it’s all about just okay when we change
02:31:11 the word of God it is all about
02:31:13 justifying our own actions
02:31:17 that is okay yeah I I I’m following you
02:31:21 there you know I’m following
02:31:23 it is about justifying our own actions
02:31:28 it’s not about
02:31:30 that’s especially when you’re talking
02:31:33 about something horrific like this that
02:31:36 causes people to lose their faith in
02:31:39 Yahweh
02:31:45 and that is the intent and purpose for
02:31:47 which it was translated that way
02:31:50 sure and and I I’ve I’ll just sit here
02:31:54 on the recording this this has been
02:31:56 a tricky thing for me right if I ever
02:32:00 had a shelf this was on it I mean I I
02:32:03 didn’t learn about that terminology
02:32:06 until after I left the LDS church so
02:32:08 it’s just kind of funny but anyways
02:32:10 I I’ve
02:32:12 I have not known what to do with this
02:32:15 until a little while ago
02:32:22 and the thing is
02:32:24 but what this does illustrate
02:32:27 is that oftentimes
02:32:30 due to the nature of the translations
02:32:33 that we have
02:32:37 we have to rely upon prayer
02:32:41 and Revelation that we received
02:32:44 based upon our knowledge of the law
02:32:49 right
02:32:51 and Yahweh doesn’t give commands that
02:32:54 contradict
02:33:00 no he does not
02:33:04 so if that is actually true he didn’t
02:33:07 commend human sacrifice
02:33:12 but rather it was a misunderstanding of
02:33:14 a commitment that was given correct and
02:33:16 that’s what I believe it is
02:33:19 and I actually do believe Yahweh gave me
02:33:22 that
02:33:24 yeah
02:33:26 but I do understand
02:33:29 with the current English translation
02:33:30 that can be hard to swallow but as we
02:33:33 look at the inner linear
02:33:34 we see how many
02:33:36 things that are could definitely be
02:33:40 transmitter bias
02:33:42 which I actually do believe that they
02:33:44 are
02:33:50 justifying actions
02:33:53 that they themselves are taken yeah uh
02:33:56 so it’d be interesting to if we could
02:33:59 find some history some that was going on
02:34:01 around that time that would support this
02:34:05 translator bias right
02:34:08 yeah so I’ll put uh that that’s
02:34:11 something that that’s something to do
02:34:13 some research into I don’t think this
02:34:15 matter is closed as yet we need to do a
02:34:18 little research a little more studying
02:34:19 up yeah there’s a few things to study
02:34:22 out and try to find examples of but
02:34:24 I do think though on just the initial
02:34:27 look
02:34:29 I do think it still passes the test of
02:34:33 testing against the scriptures
02:34:35 personally
02:34:38 well I would
02:34:41 I I mean I can I can see that I can see
02:34:44 that as a viable interpreter I I can see
02:34:47 that as a viable
02:34:49 um understanding
02:34:51 um and I just want to
02:34:53 see
02:34:56 want to make want to make sure that
02:34:59 there’s an iron clad case all right
02:35:01 there’s definitely more research to do
02:35:03 on the subject yeah
02:35:06 um this is
02:35:09 a tricky before before I go before I go
02:35:13 around saying hey guys this is what this
02:35:16 is what happened here folks for sure
02:35:19 oh I understand that
02:35:22 um
02:35:23 I
02:35:25 anyways
02:35:26 um
02:35:27 I I still would be cautious but at the
02:35:30 same time I actually do believe it
02:35:33 um yeah but I do understand
02:35:36 uh be brains and test this and as people
02:35:39 have seen here we’ve been trying to test
02:35:42 this some right and we’ve proposed other
02:35:46 things that we need to look into to
02:35:48 test it some more
02:35:52 absolutely
02:35:54 well
02:35:55 um Stephen
02:35:57 I’m gonna have to bid you adios sure
02:36:01 sure it’s probably our our time must
02:36:03 come to an end sadly sure I enjoy our
02:36:08 meetings together I do enjoy them too I
02:36:11 enjoyed our little fellowship before but
02:36:13 the two of us too that was nice yeah
02:36:16 um good stuff do you want to say
02:36:19 anything Christy or ask any questions or
02:36:22 any thoughts on my
02:36:24 um
02:36:26 idea or inspiration depending on where
02:36:30 you stand on the on the issue anyways
02:36:36 you’re muted if you’re trying to say
02:36:38 something
02:36:43 uh
02:36:45 uh I guess I don’t hear her say anything
02:36:47 so I guess we’ll call it a night
02:36:49 yeah
02:36:51 well thank you so much for thank you so
02:36:53 much for hosting me Stephen yeah well
02:36:55 thank you for coming
02:36:57 I enjoy the fellowship and the scripture
02:37:00 setting together absolutely may we have
02:37:04 a may we have a few more before the
02:37:06 internet falls apart
02:37:08 yes
02:37:11 yes I’m sure we will um like in seven
02:37:15 days
02:37:16 exactly because now we have our six days
02:37:19 of work anyways that’s right
02:37:22 that’s right
02:37:23 all right bye
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