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Lectures On Faith 5 tells us everyone can keep the law / Torah from now on. It would be unjust for YHWH to punish us for something we could not do. Bones are symbolic of laws. Modalism in that the Father IS the Son, makes Yeshua’s sacrifice from merciful Elohim and not a vengful one because He Himself came down. We gain understanding as we keep the law / Torah. Talk about Islam some. Bring out some imagery from Kung Fu Panda. Something I thought about from air planes. Talking about why judgement at Passover. Spirit can and does mean behaviour. The Holy Spirit is the law / Torah. The Holy Spirit / Ghost is always an IT in the Book of Mormon. If there is no law / Torah why do you need a Saviour? We are justified and sanctified by the law / Torah. All the kingdoms are given the same law. The sections of the High Holidays is just like the three kingdoms in heaven. During the millennium if you don’t keep Tabernacles you won’t get rain. Joseph Smith did not restore everything, Mighty and Strong One will be restoring more. The Spirit in Nephi’s vision is the angel of YHWH. Crickets is what YHWH put on my heart to start writing my king Brigham post. YHWH does not turn curses into blessings. 1828 Webster’s Dictionary helps us understand the scriptures better. Bring out some symbolic meaning of the 16 stones with the brother of Jared. Discuss the brother of Jared seeing YHWH. YHWH does things on His appointed times. Alma the younger was very wicked when he was in the comma and received forgiveness while in the comma. Commandments 1 and 5 are related to each other. We need to warn people or YHWH will hold us accountable. False prophets don’t teach repentance, they teach pretended mysteries. As we study from other sources we need to be careful. Modern science hides things they don’t like. Be a Berean, check teachings against the established word of YHWH. Show a lot of verses from the book of Mormon on priestcraft. We can see depth because we have two eyes, in like manor we need to study one subject from multiple accounts to help us get the depth. Phil’s story about the angel visiting him contradicts Moroni 7. Bring out some gnostic themes in the Lord of the Rings. Helping someone with the LuniSolar calendar some. Gentiles have inherited lies. Talk about a possible prophecy of the buring of the wood and what it represents.

Links:

• Lectures on Faith 5
• Catch and Understand
• Islam
• The LDS / Brighamite church resignation letter
• All Things You Should DO
• Holy Spirit is an IT
• High Holidays
• Two counts to Shavuot / Pentecost
  The Creator’s Calendar Part 4 of 5) The Scriptural Count To Feast Of Weeks (Pentecost)
• Joseph Smith did not restore everything
  Much vs All in LDS D&C 132:40
• King Brigham
• Bishops are JUDGEs of Israel
• Book of Mormon Geography
• Priestcraft
• Snow White
• Gnostic
• LuniSolar Calendar
  • Calendar
  • Lunar Sabbath YouTube List

Transcript:

00:00:02 so
00:00:03 um this what we were just talking about
00:00:06 was kind of leading into this uh right
00:00:08 here Ben and I know this is uh one of
00:00:12 your favorite things now so do you want
00:00:14 to
00:00:16 go with it it’s just going off yeah okay
00:00:18 right it’s in here yes
00:00:22 this is from
00:00:23 um lecture lectures on faith bought the
00:00:26 second the fifth lecture second verse
00:00:31 but notwithstanding all this he kept the
00:00:34 law of God and remained without sin
00:00:36 showing their bite that it is in the
00:00:39 power of man to keep the law and remain
00:00:41 also without sin
00:00:43 and also that by him a righteous
00:00:45 judgment might come upon alt flesh and
00:00:49 that all who walk not in the law of God
00:00:51 may be may justly be condemned by the
00:00:54 law and have no excuse for their sins
00:00:57 and he being the only begotten of the
00:00:59 father full of grace and truth and
00:01:01 having overcome received the fullness of
00:01:04 the glory of the father possessing the
00:01:05 same mind with the Father which mind is
00:01:09 the holy spirit that Bears record of the
00:01:11 father of the and the son that these
00:01:14 three are one or in other words these
00:01:17 three constitute the great matchless
00:01:19 governing and supreme power over all
00:01:21 things by whom all things were created
00:01:24 and made that were created and made and
00:01:27 these three constitute the godhead and
00:01:29 are one the father and the son
00:01:31 possessing the same mind the same wisdom
00:01:34 Glory power and fullness filling all in
00:01:37 all the sun being filled with the
00:01:39 fullness of the Mind glory and power or
00:01:41 in other words the spirit Glory of and
00:01:44 power of the father possessing all
00:01:46 knowledge and glory and the same Kingdom
00:01:49 sitting at the right hand of power in
00:01:51 the express image and likeness of the
00:01:53 father a mediator for man being filled
00:01:56 with the fullness of the mind of the
00:01:58 father or in other words the spirit of
00:02:00 the Father which spirit is shed forth
00:02:03 upon all who believe on his name and
00:02:05 keep his Commandments
00:02:08 and all those and which are
00:02:11 the law
00:02:14 and the prophets
00:02:17 yep
00:02:21 sorry no I just this hangs the two right
00:02:25 love Elohim and love your neighbor as
00:02:28 yourself
00:02:33 and all those who keep his okay
00:02:36 well I I think what you’re might be
00:02:39 reading too much because I think the
00:02:40 main point because I actually think this
00:02:43 is the longest verse in in scripture
00:02:45 um and we we and absolutely I don’t
00:02:48 think it’s a public over everything in
00:02:49 it right now we can if you want but the
00:02:51 thing that I was trying to more bring
00:02:53 out was going with your statement
00:02:54 there’s yeah there’s just so many years
00:02:56 there’s so many here going there are
00:02:58 many things that it is in the power of
00:03:00 man meaning it’s possible for man to
00:03:03 keep the law and remain without sin now
00:03:06 we all have sinned right
00:03:09 so we all need yes sure the promised
00:03:12 Messiah but
00:03:13 we can
00:03:15 be sinless from here on out
00:03:18 in fact we’re commanded to be thou for
00:03:21 perfect
00:03:23 Sermon on the Mount sermon on the temple
00:03:25 right or so I’m starting to call it
00:03:29 sermon on the Torah sermon on Torah yeah
00:03:32 because that’s what it is a sermon on
00:03:33 the Torah but anyways
00:03:35 uh I I haven’t heard anybody else call
00:03:38 that so I need to use the other name too
00:03:40 because I want to talk about but
00:03:43 um
00:03:43 we can keep the law that is if you
00:03:47 believe Joseph Smith right
00:03:50 um because depending on what your
00:03:52 feelings on lectures on faith everybody
00:03:54 agrees this is this
00:03:57 Joseph Smith did this lecture
00:04:00 so no matter what you think about some
00:04:01 of the other stuff about it there’s no
00:04:03 controversy about who did this one it’s
00:04:05 Joseph Smith
00:04:07 his word print is all over it yeah
00:04:11 um but anyways
00:04:14 um
00:04:14 I forget how we got on that subject
00:04:16 though right now I just know that’s what
00:04:18 we were on yeah we were talking about
00:04:20 we’re talking about following in the
00:04:22 footsteps of the Savior oh yeah yeah
00:04:25 um and blocky and therefore
00:04:28 and it’s not something that and the
00:04:30 point is is that it’s not something
00:04:31 that’s that is impossible
00:04:33 no it’s not all it’s all that’s required
00:04:36 is that we actually believe in the word
00:04:39 so if it was impossible to do something
00:04:42 that yell way commanded us to do that
00:04:46 would be
00:04:48 um
00:04:49 an unjust judge how can a judge judges
00:04:52 for something that we cannot
00:04:54 do
00:04:57 it would be unjust for him to condemn us
00:04:59 for something that we cannot do
00:05:02 sorry go ahead I’m not gonna just
00:05:03 judgment come down on a law that we
00:05:05 cannot keep right that would not be just
00:05:08 that would be unjust
00:05:10 that would not but you know as as humans
00:05:14 we tend to complicate things over much
00:05:16 and read in meanings and innuendos that
00:05:21 aren’t even there and so Jesus Christ
00:05:24 came down
00:05:26 lived his life and proved to us that the
00:05:29 law could be lived perfectly yeah by
00:05:31 Immortal
00:05:32 yeah in fact
00:05:37 the fact that he did leave it live it
00:05:41 out perfectly
00:05:43 made it so he could be the Messiah he
00:05:45 had to be sinless or in these
00:05:49 um since I just said about land without
00:05:52 bunch
00:05:54 laws
00:05:56 it had to be a lamb without a broken
00:05:58 bone meaning Yeshua had to not break a
00:06:03 law
00:06:04 to be able to save us
00:06:07 because then he would have had to pay
00:06:09 the punishment for himself and he
00:06:12 couldn’t have then broke it for us the
00:06:15 reason he could break the bands of death
00:06:17 is because he didn’t deserve the bands
00:06:19 of death
00:06:21 he took it upon himself for us not
00:06:24 himself because and because he lived the
00:06:28 law perfectly while being in the boy of
00:06:32 all being in the weakness and foibles of
00:06:36 mortality it makes him a just and
00:06:39 merciful
00:06:40 and merciful judge
00:06:43 right and and so
00:06:47 this is an interesting subject
00:06:49 so go ahead okay yeah
00:06:56 um and then we’ll get to you soon okay
00:06:59 well Yeshua was crucified
00:07:03 his legs weren’t broken
00:07:05 like it it’s like the Romans had
00:07:08 accustomed to break the legs of
00:07:18 he literally gave up the ghost before
00:07:21 they had to break his legs yeah right
00:07:23 and that’s why they instead they tried
00:07:25 to prove it
00:07:27 yeah which is very symbolic also but
00:07:30 um
00:07:32 so let me just say one thing soon we’ll
00:07:34 get to you that goes along with this
00:07:36 um
00:07:37 so there’s an idea if the Father and Son
00:07:41 were separate which I believe they’re
00:07:43 the same and
00:07:44 and it’s here in lectures on faith and
00:07:47 we can get in that in a minute because
00:07:48 of the what the actual definition of
00:07:50 personages
00:07:52 is it’s an exterior occurrence exterior
00:07:56 appearance character assume character
00:07:59 presented
00:08:00 one person can play multiple characters
00:08:02 in the play that’s what he’s doing
00:08:06 so but an argument a lot of people have
00:08:08 with um the godhead and the uh Trinity
00:08:14 which are both based off the try on God
00:08:17 if you ask me uh paganism is that is
00:08:21 here’s this vengeful father
00:08:24 requiring his son to pay our debt
00:08:30 if it is like what Joseph Smith is
00:08:31 putting here and is in the Book of
00:08:33 Mormon
00:08:34 that the father is
00:08:36 the son
00:08:40 he came down himself to save us
00:08:44 that gives a whole different perspective
00:08:46 of what’s going on it’s not a vengeful
00:08:49 father it’s a merciful father because he
00:08:53 came to pay our punishment he didn’t
00:08:56 tell someone else to do it
00:08:58 completely different
00:09:00 outlook on it anyways what did you want
00:09:03 to say Sue
00:09:05 well I was going to ask about it didn’t
00:09:07 um Joseph also say that Christ learned
00:09:11 line upon line research on precept
00:09:15 um just like we have to yeah I do
00:09:18 believe that’s in the DNC also I forget
00:09:20 what section we can try to find it
00:09:25 um I so if he came here perfect as a
00:09:30 child and never it you know how did he
00:09:33 have to learn line upon line precept
00:09:36 upon precept so here here’s I think
00:09:38 you’re putting two things together here
00:09:40 okay
00:09:42 perfect I mean AKA keeping the law
00:09:46 doesn’t mean you understand it
00:09:48 completely
00:09:51 he kept the law completely as a child
00:09:54 he grew in his understanding
00:09:57 as
00:09:58 um time went on
00:10:00 there’s a two there’s two difference in
00:10:02 fact Adam from The Book of Moses right
00:10:05 he an angel asked him why do you offer
00:10:10 sacrifices unto Yahweh and Adam said I
00:10:14 don’t know other than he commanded it
00:10:17 Adam was keeping the Commandment even
00:10:19 though he didn’t understand it it was
00:10:22 after he kept it that then he was taught
00:10:25 the understanding of why so you’re
00:10:27 saying that God himself came here to the
00:10:30 world and
00:10:33 as the child coming through the veil
00:10:36 didn’t know or understand any of his own
00:10:39 law but lived it nonetheless from a
00:10:42 child perfectly
00:10:45 um I don’t know how much she knew of the
00:10:47 law or not when he come down
00:10:49 um in fact
00:10:53 I I don’t have a good answer for that
00:10:56 right now
00:10:57 um so we one thing we can look at
00:11:00 that I think relates to this but doesn’t
00:11:03 answer your question because I I don’t
00:11:04 know an answer to that okay I I do
00:11:07 believe he didn’t understand everything
00:11:09 are you familiar
00:11:12 go ahead
00:11:15 are you familiar with the um koran’s
00:11:17 stories about Christ’s childhood
00:11:21 no and I don’t believe Koran is
00:11:24 scripture so I’m but I mean you can
00:11:26 share it if you want but I’m I I’ll be
00:11:29 honest I won’t give it any Credence
00:11:30 myself
00:11:31 I I don’t
00:11:33 I have issues with Islam and I can bring
00:11:36 things out from The Book of Mormon
00:11:37 contradicting Islam also so yeah me too
00:11:41 and I really I wonder
00:11:44 I don’t know this to be true but I
00:11:46 wonder if Muhammad wasn’t a real prophet
00:11:50 and then they changed both his book and
00:11:53 his the stories of him as much as
00:11:55 Brigham did so so I do
00:11:59 Muhammad was a prophet
00:12:02 the question is for who
00:12:05 he wasn’t a prophet of the god of
00:12:07 Abraham Isaac and Jacob
00:12:10 he was a prophet
00:12:12 of Satan uh I might have to filter that
00:12:14 out I want to put it on YouTube because
00:12:16 YouTube doesn’t like stuff like that
00:12:20 um but
00:12:22 Muhammad was a prophet of Satan so let
00:12:27 me on this subject he Muhammad
00:12:32 um stated that Yeshua was not the
00:12:34 promised Messiah
00:12:36 um
00:12:40 oh actually I need to share the
00:12:43 difference
00:12:43 I need to share a different screen
00:12:50 I think I have it
00:12:52 anyways
00:12:58 oh is this the one but whosoever thing
00:13:02 persuades men to do evil and believeth
00:13:04 not in the Messiah
00:13:08 and deny him and servant serve not
00:13:11 Elohim then you know with the perfect
00:13:14 knowledge it is of the devil
00:13:18 who is also known as Satan foreign if it
00:13:22 draws Focus to anything but
00:13:26 Yeshua
00:13:27 and Yahweh
00:13:30 you may know that it is of the devil
00:13:32 yeah and that’s what Muhammad did
00:13:37 he denied the Messiah now when the LDS
00:13:42 Church
00:13:43 teaches that Muhammad was a prophet
00:13:48 that’s like a sign in one sense it’s
00:13:51 true because the prophet of Satan he was
00:13:53 not a holy prophet of Elohim
00:14:00 he denied
00:14:03 he denied and then on another one here’s
00:14:07 so so that’s in the Quran that he denied
00:14:10 that Christ was the yeah yeah because
00:14:12 because in the Quran it refers to Mary
00:14:16 as it Mary is the only woman mentioned
00:14:21 to the Quran she has a whole chapter
00:14:23 and they’d feed her as
00:14:29 yeah really really special you know way
00:14:31 out Beyond yeah and
00:14:34 um they say that
00:14:36 had power over life and death from
00:14:38 childhood
00:14:41 um the
00:14:42 uh that would make but that would
00:14:45 actually counteract his ability to atone
00:14:46 first
00:14:48 yeah anyways if it was not or to be our
00:14:52 or to be our Exemplar it would
00:14:54 counteract his ability to be our
00:14:55 Exemplar more to the point
00:14:57 um because how can he be an Exemplar we
00:15:00 can’t follow in his footsteps because
00:15:02 we don’t have power what we’ve sin of
00:15:04 death
00:15:05 we can’t follow in those footsteps
00:15:08 but we can follow footsteps of the law
00:15:11 and so he had to have been born mortal
00:15:15 yeah um because he had to break the
00:15:19 bands of death
00:15:21 that Paul brings us out and and here’s
00:15:25 this for even um
00:15:27 the Benedict brings it out but let me
00:15:30 um finish this one quick thought and
00:15:31 we’ll go back to that thought sorry but
00:15:34 for behold did not Moses prophesy unto
00:15:37 them concerning the coming of the
00:15:39 Messiah and that Elohim should redeem
00:15:42 his people Elohim oh I should make that
00:15:45 a
00:15:46 yeah even all the prophets who have
00:15:49 prophesied ever since the world began
00:15:51 have they not spoken more or less than
00:15:54 this meaning
00:15:56 everything that they said actually
00:15:58 really points to that
00:16:01 to the Messiah
00:16:03 now when you have the Muhammad who
00:16:05 denies the Messiah
00:16:10 they they don’t go together do they at
00:16:14 all either the Book of Mormon is true or
00:16:17 Islam is true you can’t have them both
00:16:19 true in fact it’s ironic I’m not an
00:16:22 expert in this area but
00:16:25 the Quran states that those who believe
00:16:28 in the Bible that they’re allowed to
00:16:30 keep the Bible but then at the same time
00:16:32 they tell Islam to go kill those who
00:16:35 don’t believe in Muhammad
00:16:39 so I mean which is it
00:16:41 I’m sorry I hear you but I kind of feel
00:16:45 the same way about
00:16:47 um
00:16:47 the the LDS church I mean you can take
00:16:51 the Book of Mormon and believe it or you
00:16:54 can take the LDS church and believe it
00:16:56 you can’t believe them both because they
00:16:57 oppose one another Well absolutely oh
00:16:59 yeah in fact I I believe so you’re
00:17:01 saying the same thing about uh Muhammad
00:17:04 and what I’m saying is is that
00:17:07 I mean I don’t know all that much and I
00:17:10 don’t agree with the LDS church I
00:17:12 believe that is satanic
00:17:15 but I don’t necessarily believe Muhammad
00:17:18 was and I I think the distinction
00:17:22 I mean I don’t know I haven’t actually
00:17:24 prayed about it or studied it that hard
00:17:27 but from what little I have recently and
00:17:30 and only recently
00:17:33 um it
00:17:35 you know I know a guy that was converted
00:17:37 to Christianity from the Koran and um
00:17:41 and
00:17:43 um
00:17:45 it just occurs to me that perhaps
00:17:48 Muhammad was treated as badly by those
00:17:51 who followed him and the Quran was
00:17:54 treated as badly by those who followed
00:17:56 him as
00:17:58 um
00:17:59 The Book of Mormon well the doctrine of
00:18:01 covenants and Brigham have treated
00:18:04 Joseph uh I see where you’re coming from
00:18:06 I I
00:18:10 disagree I have a few things here as in
00:18:13 it’s not something I’ve spent a lot of
00:18:15 time on but you could go look at some of
00:18:17 these resources
00:18:19 um I do agree that that history has been
00:18:22 corrupt to some extent just as uh our
00:18:25 history has
00:18:27 but I I do believe for the most part he
00:18:31 is who he claimed to be or that they
00:18:33 claimed and that he started it
00:18:36 um and there’s multiple reasons for that
00:18:39 um for if I remember right he was
00:18:42 supposed to be it then he got passed
00:18:44 over and so he then just kind of took it
00:18:48 over and then
00:18:50 um
00:18:51 there’s
00:18:53 this is a good one by Walter Veith who
00:18:56 is in
00:18:57 um Seventh-day Adventist
00:19:00 um anyways I I’m not a Seventh-Day
00:19:03 Adventist uh not in their seventh day
00:19:05 anyways which we can talk about because
00:19:07 I know I had some questions on that
00:19:09 um I I seventh day as in
00:19:12 um using the moon right because there’s
00:19:14 three types of day in the scriptures
00:19:17 the the Catholic Roman Pagan calendar
00:19:19 doesn’t have three types of days but
00:19:21 Walter Veith has some good things though
00:19:24 um and here’s one that is a good one
00:19:26 that may help you out some the
00:19:27 Catholicism masonry
00:19:30 um video
00:19:32 um I mean there’s some others here
00:19:34 there’s
00:19:35 oh this is a good one
00:19:37 um this is done by a book of Mormon
00:19:39 believer
00:19:41 um yeah correct yeah we’re friends
00:19:45 um so you might like that also but
00:19:47 anyways there’s a little to get you
00:19:48 started
00:19:50 um and this is my little
00:19:52 opening picture is that the Islam has
00:19:56 the the moon right and the star
00:19:59 so the moon and a lot of times is
00:20:03 symbolic of Satan not all the time
00:20:06 but then they have the falling star with
00:20:09 in addition to it it really kind of
00:20:10 brings out it’s
00:20:12 the honoring Satan in my honest opinion
00:20:14 they have the same symbolism as
00:20:16 Catholicism yeah Laura
00:20:18 um yeah and if you get into this uh
00:20:21 Catholic Islam masonry
00:20:23 um
00:20:24 I do believe that they were created by
00:20:27 the papacy
00:20:31 and Walter Reef gets into that and I’ll
00:20:34 be honestly life was Catholic huh well
00:20:39 how much life was Catholic yep uh I yeah
00:20:42 yeah that’s right I forgot about that
00:20:43 but you’re right
00:20:46 um also
00:20:47 um this is gonna sound corny
00:20:51 but
00:20:52 um
00:20:54 actually Yahweh
00:20:57 there’s a
00:20:58 um
00:21:00 a movie series Kung Fu Panda
00:21:04 and the Kung Fu Panda yeah actually if
00:21:07 you learn to discern what’s being stated
00:21:09 there they actually admit that Islam was
00:21:12 created
00:21:13 by the paper seat in it if you know how
00:21:16 to read what’s in there
00:21:18 yeah it’s all about reading the
00:21:20 symbolism you can actually it’s in that
00:21:23 actually Talent movie series they
00:21:24 actually tell the history of the world
00:21:26 in film
00:21:27 yeah they do uh I mean they twist it and
00:21:31 there’s they’re also exposing or they’re
00:21:34 teaching their plans out because they
00:21:36 actually kind of have to but anyways
00:21:37 that’s a whole other subject but
00:21:38 remember what scenes that soon
00:21:42 uh it’s throughout the whole of the
00:21:44 first one
00:21:45 um and it deals with the fact that the
00:21:48 one that’s in prison that’s going to
00:21:50 come and destroy them
00:21:52 was of the Master’s creation
00:21:56 the I the the short one I I forget what
00:22:00 animal the short one that was the leader
00:22:03 right
00:22:04 yeah I think that’s the name yeah but he
00:22:08 created him used him propped them up and
00:22:12 then he was cast off off to the side and
00:22:16 then anyways it’s in there and it’s
00:22:18 funny it
00:22:20 the mirror right the answer is self
00:22:25 they’re promoting oh yeah self rather
00:22:29 than yahweh’s power they’re trying to
00:22:31 tell people the powers within yourself
00:22:33 that’s new age occult satanism
00:22:37 completely wrong
00:22:39 but anyways
00:22:41 um
00:22:43 yeah these most movies are full of
00:22:48 occult and Gnostic teachings in them on
00:22:52 the surface I mean take a look at take a
00:22:55 look at who’s driving the driving force
00:22:57 behind all those nowadays oh Hollywood
00:23:01 and then they have hidden innuendos and
00:23:04 worldly themes of course they do
00:23:07 the Holly the the the name Hollywood
00:23:10 actually is a hint of what’s going on
00:23:13 yep
00:23:18 absolutely
00:23:22 yeah anyways
00:23:24 um but I
00:23:27 I do believe you used to look into it
00:23:30 more I think
00:23:32 um you’ll come to a conclusion that he
00:23:34 actually is pretty well represented I’m
00:23:38 sure some of it’s been Twisted because I
00:23:39 they even have their own fractions right
00:23:41 even within our the restoration we have
00:23:44 fractions that most people don’t know
00:23:46 about right
00:23:48 um so they have their fractions but I
00:23:50 think for the most part he’s probably
00:23:52 pretty well represented
00:23:56 um but anyways that’s neither here or
00:23:59 there
00:24:00 um
00:24:01 but yeah no all right so
00:24:06 well that was uh well that was uh that
00:24:09 was Muhammad yes so
00:24:12 I brought the calendar a little bit I I
00:24:15 think you have some questions on that if
00:24:18 you want to it might be a good time to
00:24:20 segue into that unless you want to ask
00:24:22 some other things too because I I think
00:24:24 you have
00:24:26 questions you want to go over
00:24:28 um
00:24:29 and I we’re happy to do that and Josh
00:24:32 too or anybody right
00:24:35 I didn’t bring any questions do you have
00:24:38 questions
00:24:41 I
00:24:43 just thought I was coming to a scripture
00:24:45 study yeah oh yeah yeah well that’s what
00:24:48 I call it is just like I showed in
00:24:51 rome69 I I’m
00:24:54 we go by what people need I I know you
00:24:56 were asking me some questions in the
00:24:59 chat some and I wasn’t able to get to
00:25:02 all of them just because I was um
00:25:09 I’ll come back I I was making some uh
00:25:14 airplanes with my kids like model
00:25:16 airplanes
00:25:17 um
00:25:18 and one thing that’s interesting
00:25:22 that I while doing I was thinking about
00:25:24 it
00:25:25 so airplanes lift right because on top
00:25:30 of the wing the air is going faster
00:25:33 which makes it so it lifts right
00:25:36 now it’s interesting
00:25:39 um
00:25:41 teachers
00:25:44 and we always teachers generally receive
00:25:47 his wind his spirit because wind is an
00:25:50 idiom for Spirit in the Hebrew
00:25:53 scriptures faster
00:25:55 and then they’re supposed to take that
00:25:57 and lift other people up
00:26:02 so I just find that kind of thing and so
00:26:05 and so a lot of these a lot of these
00:26:07 scripture studies are actually based
00:26:09 around answering people’s questions
00:26:13 concerning the law concerning uh and
00:26:17 concerning the Sabbath concerning
00:26:20 um all all things related to the law and
00:26:23 God so we um so we received the question
00:26:27 and we go into the scriptures yeah uh
00:26:30 and we need to continue this some at
00:26:32 more at the end too but uh we we spent
00:26:36 some time looking at Zechariah 1 and 6
00:26:40 in relation to the Book of Revelations
00:26:42 um we need to go back on that but uh
00:26:45 maybe while she’s thinking so Ben asked
00:26:48 me something last week I didn’t have a
00:26:51 good answer for and I I’ve come up with
00:26:53 the
00:26:54 an answer in fact I even I’ve come up
00:26:58 with more since we talked a couple days
00:27:00 ago so
00:27:03 um just to review
00:27:06 I brought up last week how I see
00:27:10 um the three
00:27:12 segment of high holidays starting with
00:27:15 35
00:27:17 all right was it seven or eight I think
00:27:18 it was eight Passover
00:27:21 of 11 through a lot I don’t know exactly
00:27:27 but there’s quite a few right that is uh
00:27:31 Pentecost chaviot
00:27:34 Zion is Tabernacles so it’s got those
00:27:38 three sections right there
00:27:41 um
00:27:42 right there in the Book of Mormon right
00:27:44 after his death and Resurrection
00:27:47 um so Ben asked me because I was
00:27:50 bringing up that the Judgment happened
00:27:53 at Passover and I still believe it and
00:27:56 actually that’s what I see in Prophecy
00:27:58 coming up too but anyways it’s another
00:27:59 subject
00:28:00 and then day atonement is one of the
00:28:03 last ones just before Tabernacles
00:28:06 so here’s my answer
00:28:09 okay
00:28:12 if we go in fact let’s go get versus up
00:28:15 uh oh actually I don’t remember so and
00:28:19 one of the things that’s brought out in
00:28:21 third Nephi
00:28:23 seven and eight
00:28:25 and actually some of our conversation
00:28:27 from the other day actually is kind of
00:28:28 helping informing my additional answer
00:28:31 here so
00:28:32 um but
00:28:34 when the things were destroyed I think
00:28:37 that starts in 358
00:28:40 we’re told
00:28:43 um
00:28:44 about the state of those who were
00:28:47 destroyed right
00:28:50 so 35 8 13 is one there’s two verses but
00:28:55 that’s one of them so let me get that
00:28:57 one up
00:29:00 hmm
00:29:01 yeah
00:29:03 35
00:29:09 eight I think I said 13 right yeah
00:29:11 thirteen eight thirteen yep
00:29:17 or maybe it’s
00:29:19 oh no it’s nine sorry
00:29:22 nine nine thirteen uh I I don’t put the
00:29:27 notes Here in the LDS
00:29:30 um version the the gospel that I don’t
00:29:33 know if I can because when I removed my
00:29:36 name they made it so I couldn’t log into
00:29:38 my account but anyways whatever
00:29:43 I didn’t put notes up there anyways
00:29:46 um they I actually kind of wonder if if
00:29:49 you put up notes out there they kind of
00:29:50 know what you’re studying and thinking
00:29:52 so uh anyways all ye that are spared
00:29:55 because you are more righteous than they
00:29:58 or or I think in other words is less
00:30:00 Wicked Yi will ye not now return unto me
00:30:04 will you not repent
00:30:07 and repent of your sins and Covenant the
00:30:10 and be converted that I may heal you so
00:30:14 that that one is not too bad but there’s
00:30:17 another one
00:30:20 let me find it
00:30:26 ah okay it’s in uh
00:30:29 10 12. describes these same people which
00:30:34 I think gives some more insights okay
00:30:38 and it was the more righteous part of
00:30:40 the people who were saved and it was
00:30:43 they who received how it relates to the
00:30:46 day of atonement
00:30:48 well and it was they who received the
00:30:51 prophets and stoned them not
00:30:54 and it was they who had not shed the
00:30:56 blood of the Saints who were spared so
00:31:01 um
00:31:01 one thing that we were talking about
00:31:03 while we’re of the three of us Ben Matt
00:31:06 and I or so we have this little pet
00:31:09 project at Lord of the Rings right
00:31:11 um but there’s something in The Lord of
00:31:12 the Rings that kind of
00:31:14 suggests
00:31:15 that salts who were put in outer
00:31:18 Darkness actually have no law and we did
00:31:21 some looking we can actually kind of see
00:31:22 that in the scriptures
00:31:24 that’s the only Kingdom with no law
00:31:26 right the other three have that one law
00:31:29 the one law but outer Darkness does not
00:31:32 and they are those who reject the law
00:31:35 aka the
00:31:38 the sin of uh you know
00:31:41 rejecting the Holy Spirit which another
00:31:44 way of saying is the
00:31:46 holy Behavior the the law that tells you
00:31:49 how to behave holy right which is the
00:31:52 law they’ve rejected it
00:31:56 and that’s why they they’re getting
00:31:58 completely cast out
00:32:00 they’re they’re done and so what I see
00:32:03 here is what who’s being condemned are
00:32:08 those who deny the Holy Ghost right here
00:32:11 because what are the prophets
00:32:14 they taught the law and they got stoned
00:32:17 because they didn’t want the world they
00:32:19 hated the law
00:32:20 these are the ones that are basically in
00:32:23 in my opinion
00:32:24 that have committed the sin of denying
00:32:27 the holy Behavior
00:32:31 the law
00:32:34 yeah another yeah but maybe since I’m
00:32:38 stating in the show that we need to show
00:32:40 that’s another definition for Spirit
00:32:42 yeah yeah
00:32:44 um in fact
00:32:45 just for those who want to get into more
00:32:48 details
00:32:49 I have a post at the beginning of it
00:32:51 that deals with it and maybe we’ll just
00:32:53 go look at it
00:32:55 um
00:32:56 because it
00:32:59 has the dictionary there
00:33:02 um
00:33:03 so
00:33:06 if I can
00:33:11 where’s Webster’s Dictionary I think
00:33:14 yeah
00:33:15 it’s a very good
00:33:19 dictionary
00:33:24 oh there we go Okay so
00:33:27 here’s some definitions of spirit
00:33:30 temper
00:33:32 disposition of mine habitual or temporal
00:33:36 as a man of generous Spirit or
00:33:40 revengeful Spirit ornament of a Meek and
00:33:43 quiet
00:33:45 spirit let let us go to the house of
00:33:47 elohiman in the spirit of Prayer
00:33:50 Turn of Mind
00:33:52 temper
00:33:54 State of Mind
00:33:56 excitement of the mind emanations that’s
00:33:58 how you act right cheerfulness and
00:34:01 here’s just one example
00:34:04 um
00:34:05 the renewed nature of man and nature is
00:34:09 his behavior right so I it doesn’t come
00:34:13 out right and say in the dictionary but
00:34:15 when you go look at the words and know
00:34:17 what Behavior means
00:34:20 it applies
00:34:22 um
00:34:22 I
00:34:24 if you want to look through this post
00:34:26 great I the holy spirit is the law
00:34:30 period And I I have more on that than I
00:34:33 have in this post but
00:34:35 God commanded us to be holy and he told
00:34:39 us how to do that and that is his law
00:34:41 and
00:34:44 if we want to Sidetrack a little bit so
00:34:47 this post
00:34:51 is going off of these two C’s okay so
00:34:55 this is the second Nephi
00:34:58 32.
00:34:59 and I I show her there’s a chiism here
00:35:02 and the two C’s
00:35:07 um starting with verses uh three and
00:35:10 then five or no sorry not five
00:35:17 um our
00:35:19 stating
00:35:21 that the words
00:35:23 of Yeshua
00:35:25 are the same as the Holy Spirit
00:35:29 because they’re in the same stanzas
00:35:32 and so they’re getting tied together
00:35:34 and so in this
00:35:36 long post
00:35:38 it literally brings that out how
00:35:42 the holy spirit because that’s another
00:35:44 name for the Holy Ghost
00:35:47 um is God’s law and God’s word is his
00:35:50 law right so anyway
00:35:54 um
00:35:56 no I forget
00:35:58 where I was going from on that oh yeah
00:36:00 another interesting thing another
00:36:02 interesting thing to note is that in all
00:36:05 of second neat by chapters 31 in all the
00:36:08 second Nephi chapters 31 and 32 you will
00:36:10 never see the Holy Ghost referred to in
00:36:13 with a personal pronoun actually you’ll
00:36:16 see it nowhere in the Book of Mormon and
00:36:19 so I have a little bit here from another
00:36:21 an earlier post I did but the holy
00:36:24 spirit is always referred to as an it
00:36:28 it’s always in it
00:36:30 because it’s an idea
00:36:33 not a person
00:36:36 um so I mean we can Sidetrack on that or
00:36:39 we can go back to my one
00:36:41 um answering the question I didn’t have
00:36:43 the answer to last time but so what was
00:36:47 what was the question I’m sorry I might
00:36:50 have missed that but why is Judgment
00:36:53 every day
00:36:55 at
00:36:57 um Passover instead of day of atonement
00:37:00 because generally speaking people do
00:37:03 kind of put off this idea that Dave
00:37:05 atoma is Judgment right and atonement
00:37:09 is uh
00:37:12 saving Deliverance
00:37:13 where I I stated
00:37:16 uh judgment
00:37:18 and and I do believe it’s judgment and I
00:37:20 see it in the scriptures
00:37:22 um in fact
00:37:24 Egypt was judged on Passover because
00:37:28 they would not come to come under the
00:37:30 blood of the Lamb
00:37:32 hmm
00:37:34 no yeah we deserve the Judgment but
00:37:37 because we come under the blood of the
00:37:39 Lamb we won’t get it as long as we stay
00:37:42 there
00:37:44 okay
00:37:45 now so
00:37:49 I wonder
00:37:51 what’s going on with atonement day of
00:37:54 atonement that goes along with What’s
00:37:56 Happening Here in these third Nephi
00:37:58 chapters
00:38:01 um if Dave atonement is more along the
00:38:05 lines of how well you’re keeping the law
00:38:08 to know what kingdom you’re going to go
00:38:10 into
00:38:13 hmm interesting
00:38:17 um because what’s next is if you’ve
00:38:19 actually repented you get to go have
00:38:22 Zion if not
00:38:25 you’re you’re not in Zion you’re not
00:38:28 wearing somewhere else
00:38:32 well I mean you are where you are you
00:38:35 haven’t you haven’t taken the name of
00:38:36 Christ upon you right we haven’t
00:38:39 therefore
00:38:43 if you haven’t repented and offered your
00:38:45 broken heart and contrite spirit
00:38:48 you can’t abide in him you literally
00:38:51 cannot imagine you’re not abiding in the
00:38:53 Savior and uh the point and the point
00:38:56 that the point that was really rammed
00:38:57 home to me
00:38:59 um
00:39:01 is that the
00:39:03 um you cannot
00:39:07 without the law there is no broken heart
00:39:09 and contrite spirit
00:39:12 because the broken heart because the
00:39:15 Broken Heart
00:39:16 is the heart trained to obedience
00:39:20 or the heart upon which
00:39:23 law is written right and I like your
00:39:27 analogy of a broken horse
00:39:29 yes it’s like it’s like it’s like when
00:39:33 the uh it’s like when the Mongols
00:39:36 trained their horses
00:39:38 they trained them to the point where
00:39:39 they would obey it just the touch of the
00:39:41 knees
00:39:44 and so the it’s it’s that instinct to
00:39:47 obey the command is within us the
00:39:51 instinct to obey the word is within us
00:39:55 um and the contrite spirit
00:39:57 recognizes its need for atonement and
00:40:00 without the law there is no sin
00:40:04 and if there is no sin what is our need
00:40:07 for atonement
00:40:09 right
00:40:11 um
00:40:12 because you need a savior because you
00:40:15 broke the law if there is no law why do
00:40:18 you need a savior
00:40:21 it’s pretty simple
00:40:23 so yeah
00:40:25 um but during the millennium
00:40:29 not everybody that’s going to be on
00:40:31 earth
00:40:32 are going to be Zion quality people
00:40:37 new right not even close
00:40:40 so but one thing we do know Satan will
00:40:44 be bound
00:40:46 which yes
00:40:47 happened at judgment Passover
00:40:51 and so
00:40:53 Dave atonement is that
00:40:56 um
00:40:57 judgment or
00:41:00 I’ll also use that word but um a weather
00:41:03 of not which kingdom that you’re in
00:41:07 and here’s another interesting little
00:41:09 thing
00:41:11 um so the feasts
00:41:13 are in three categories one spring One
00:41:17 Summer one fall yes I know most
00:41:22 people who try to do the feast don’t say
00:41:24 the summer one and I say it on purpose
00:41:26 because it actually is summer because
00:41:27 there’s two counts to Pentecost not one
00:41:30 and if you only do one count you’re
00:41:32 celebrating before Moses got
00:41:36 or came down from the mount with the law
00:41:39 if you only do one count you need two
00:41:41 counts yeah but because because the uh
00:41:47 because the law was the law was
00:41:49 delivered upon the mountain of Sinai
00:41:51 unshoppable yeah it was at the end of
00:41:55 the fourth Moon
00:41:58 and you can’t get there without two
00:42:00 counts
00:42:01 and the law actually Leviticus if you
00:42:04 read it carefully 23 actually States two
00:42:07 counts now a lot of traditions make
00:42:09 people read over them
00:42:11 um and just FYI Sue uh on that
00:42:15 um
00:42:18 you look into it carefully I’ll give you
00:42:20 a video that my favorite video on that
00:42:23 teaches this but I have a few other
00:42:25 resources on it here on this uh two
00:42:28 counts and the high holidays just as the
00:42:32 uh pushing the
00:42:34 lunar solar calendar
00:42:35 if this would come up okay
00:42:39 um
00:42:40 if you want to look into it
00:42:43 this is my favorite video on that point
00:42:45 that shows
00:42:48 um
00:42:49 it’s two counts it even gets into the
00:42:51 point where the Tanakh the Old Testament
00:42:53 brings out the season it has to be in
00:42:56 and without the two counts it’s in the
00:42:58 wrong season and it also talks about the
00:43:00 new wine which has happened at Pentecost
00:43:02 you know acts 2. uh if you do only one
00:43:05 count it’s before new they’re at is
00:43:08 actually the wine it’s old wine
00:43:11 so even Acts 2 shows it if you
00:43:14 know the details of what’s actually
00:43:16 being stated because Peter States new
00:43:18 wine right he didn’t State old wine so
00:43:21 but anyways I have absolutely I have no
00:43:22 idea what you’re talking about
00:43:24 zero oh
00:43:27 so Pentecost is later than most people
00:43:30 claim well we’ll just leave it at that
00:43:32 okay you said there were two counts all
00:43:35 right then you you said one of these was
00:43:38 your favorite but I don’t know which one
00:43:39 you said oh this video the video that I
00:43:41 just put in the uh
00:43:45 it’s my favorite video that explains why
00:43:48 there is two counts not just one
00:43:51 yeah so most people
00:43:54 celebrate Pentecost
00:43:56 too early actually like 50
00:44:00 give or take days too early okay not
00:44:03 exactly but something along those lines
00:44:06 uh and I was giving out some details of
00:44:09 why that’s the case since I’m just
00:44:10 talking about this stuff in general
00:44:14 um I get sidetracked if you don’t have
00:44:17 it I I need a pet squirt girl easily got
00:44:20 it got it yeah yeah I keep I I didn’t
00:44:24 call out squirrel soon enough sorry guys
00:44:27 so
00:44:28 hopefully these things this is good I’m
00:44:33 I’m learning
00:44:36 yeah hopefully the sidetracks are
00:44:38 actually helpful at least for some
00:44:39 people
00:44:41 but
00:44:42 anyways so during the Millennium Satan’s
00:44:46 going to be bound completely which goes
00:44:48 along with um those who uh reject
00:44:53 the Holy Spirit or the holy Behavior aka
00:44:57 the law
00:44:58 they’re gone just like when we read
00:45:00 those um the second description what was
00:45:03 it 35 10 one I forget what 12
00:45:08 I think that one made it pretty clear
00:45:10 those are the sons of perditions who
00:45:13 reject the law right
00:45:16 um but who’s left
00:45:18 are in various states of things because
00:45:20 in fact you’ll even see
00:45:24 we couldn’t reinforce we can reinforce
00:45:26 that from Doctrine and Covenant section
00:45:28 88. oh your favorite section you would
00:45:31 know that yes it is
00:45:35 let’s go to Doctrine and Covenants
00:45:37 section 88
00:45:39 uh
00:45:40 it’s this is your all-time favorite
00:45:43 chapter ever in scripture isn’t it I
00:45:46 live here yeah hey I I yeah okay
00:45:51 which first
00:45:53 uh we’re gonna go
00:45:55 we’re gonna go to one of my favorite
00:45:57 ones with regards to the importance of
00:45:59 with regards to the importance of uh and
00:46:04 the role of the law in our salvation
00:46:08 we’re going to start in verse 33.
00:46:11 completely
00:46:15 it’s also or what does it profit a man
00:46:19 if a gift is bestowed upon him
00:46:22 we’re going to find out what that gift
00:46:24 is
00:46:25 and he received not the gift behold he
00:46:27 rejoices not in that which is given unto
00:46:29 him neither rejoices in him who is The
00:46:31 Giver of the gift
00:46:33 and again verily I say unto you that
00:46:35 which is governed by law
00:46:38 the law is a gift
00:46:42 yeah what else is a gift
00:46:51 which is governed by law is also
00:46:54 preserved by law and perfect
00:46:59 and Sanctified by the same
00:47:02 yeah from where we from where We’ve Just
00:47:05 Begun what it from where we began what
00:47:08 is it that sanctifies us
00:47:11 it is the baptism of fire and the Holy
00:47:13 Ghost
00:47:14 therefore you know it’s just joke
00:47:21 yeah but I’m going from a place where
00:47:24 going from a pla a place of commonality
00:47:27 okay all right okay
00:47:30 um so that which is governed by law is
00:47:34 also preserved by law perfected and
00:47:36 Sanctified by the same from the
00:47:38 tradition and from the uh from the
00:47:41 teachings which we have embraced what is
00:47:44 what sanctifies us the baptism of fire
00:47:47 and the Holy Ghost so what is so how is
00:47:50 it that the law sanctifies us how could
00:47:53 the law sanctify us if the sanctifying
00:47:55 agent is the Holy Ghost then the law is
00:47:59 the holy ghost that which breaks the law
00:48:02 and abideth not by law that seeketh to
00:48:06 become a law unto itself and willeth to
00:48:08 abide in sin and altogether abideth and
00:48:11 sin cannot be Sanctified by law neither
00:48:13 by Mercy Justice nor judgment therefore
00:48:17 they must remain filthy still this is
00:48:20 the nature of the sons of Perdition they
00:48:23 have forsaken the spirit they have
00:48:25 forsaken the law
00:48:29 now here’s something that’s important
00:48:31 all kingdoms have a singular law given
00:48:37 wow another way to say the same law
00:48:46 I do believe you know this is where
00:48:49 sometimes we have to
00:48:51 read in the line some because English
00:48:54 has changed a little bit but also we
00:48:56 need to take context of the rest of the
00:48:58 scriptures in the mind it doesn’t say
00:49:00 each kingdom will have a different law
00:49:04 given
00:49:10 that is one law
00:49:13 there are many kingdoms for there is no
00:49:17 space in which there is no Kingdom and
00:49:18 there is no kingdom in which there is no
00:49:19 space either a greater or lesser Kingdom
00:49:23 and on to every kingdom is given a
00:49:25 singular law
00:49:29 but it never I when I read this I see
00:49:32 nothing to indicate it’s a different law
00:49:34 per Kingdom
00:49:36 because it’s a law is given to the
00:49:39 kingdoms
00:49:43 no are you done
00:49:46 okay so one thing that’s interesting
00:49:48 that I think goes along with this and
00:49:50 and kind of going with what I was
00:49:52 getting at
00:49:54 there’s three sections
00:49:56 of high holidays okay
00:49:59 there’s three kingdoms of Glory
00:50:02 barley which is harvested in the spring
00:50:05 is actually the easiest to harvest
00:50:10 right wheat is next
00:50:15 and easiness and it’s
00:50:17 uh where they kind of need to be told
00:50:20 the law so actually barley is associated
00:50:23 with being redeemed and just selecting
00:50:26 the Messiah okay because that’s what we
00:50:28 do there is we we select the Messiah and
00:50:30 go to it
00:50:32 um
00:50:32 Pentecost travel out is wheat
00:50:35 and that’s where you have to be given
00:50:37 the law you you do kind of accept it
00:50:40 right but anyways
00:50:42 um
00:50:43 but wheat is actually harder to harvest
00:50:47 than barley
00:50:49 then the last Harvest is associated with
00:50:52 grapes
00:50:55 the grapes are crushed
00:50:58 they’re they’re kind of forced into
00:51:00 keeping the law
00:51:03 and and we could do this but I I do
00:51:06 believe that goes along with the
00:51:08 descriptions of the Three Kingdoms in
00:51:11 DNC 76.
00:51:14 actually also goes along with the with a
00:51:19 uh inspiration slash Revelation that I
00:51:22 received regarding
00:51:25 the laws the laws and the kingdoms it’s
00:51:29 actually one of the best it’s actually a
00:51:31 really good way of explaining it is that
00:51:33 is through the high holidays is through
00:51:36 the through the feast days is a really
00:51:38 good way of explaining it
00:51:40 um
00:51:42 those who
00:51:44 it’s not so much that the law is
00:51:47 different
00:51:48 it’s that it’s our willingness with it’s
00:51:51 our willingness to accept it to live it
00:51:55 to walk in the savior’s footsteps that’s
00:51:59 what makes the difference between the
00:52:00 levels it’s all about our willingness
00:52:03 it’s all about our it’s all about our
00:52:06 desire to be like our savior
00:52:08 I think the and this is me I I think
00:52:12 that the way that I would describe it
00:52:15 it’s your motivation that determines it
00:52:20 um are you doing it because you want to
00:52:22 for yourself
00:52:24 because actually when you go look at the
00:52:26 statement from Yeshua about the two
00:52:28 Commandments it’s actually kind of three
00:52:30 and I’ll explain one is do you love
00:52:34 Yahweh the second is do you love your
00:52:37 neighbor
00:52:38 and then the third portion to that as
00:52:42 yourself
00:52:45 in the tea lestro Kingdom you pretty
00:52:47 much are going to keep the law because
00:52:48 you only love yourself
00:52:51 the terrestrial you’ll be there because
00:52:54 you you do love your neighbor
00:52:58 go ahead it’s not the love of God you do
00:53:02 it for the love of God you do it for the
00:53:03 love of God
00:53:08 um so in fact I this is more sidetracked
00:53:12 but I see that in the parable of the ten
00:53:13 virgins too but anyways
00:53:16 um but back to my thing
00:53:19 we know in the Millennium not everybody
00:53:22 are going to be
00:53:25 lovers of Yahweh in his ways okay
00:53:29 um in fact I think uh I forget I think
00:53:33 it’s Zechariah 14.
00:53:35 we’d have to go double check but I think
00:53:36 it’s there that has a prophecy that if
00:53:39 you don’t celebrate Tabernacles you
00:53:41 won’t get rain
00:53:43 now
00:53:46 if there were everybody was just keeping
00:53:48 it or that it wasn’t if you weren’t
00:53:51 supposed to keep Tabernacles in the
00:53:52 Millennium why would that prophecy be
00:53:54 there it just wouldn’t because we’re
00:53:56 supposed to be keeping it we’re supposed
00:53:57 to be keeping now
00:53:59 um but
00:54:00 in addition if everybody was keeping it
00:54:03 why would that warning need to be there
00:54:05 in the Tanakh
00:54:07 it’s because some are not and they won’t
00:54:09 get rain and they’ll get humbled and
00:54:11 then they’ll keep Tabernacles because
00:54:13 Tabernacle is about the key reigning
00:54:17 they’ll get humbled because they’ll not
00:54:19 get their rain and that has a lot of
00:54:21 meaning to it in fact just a little
00:54:23 tidbit which I never do right side track
00:54:26 mosiah 2-5 was given during Tabernacles
00:54:30 that’s a tabernacle speech
00:54:34 yeah two through five mosiah two through
00:54:38 five is a tabernacle speech
00:54:42 and how do we know that it’s a
00:54:44 tabernacle speech uh well we could go
00:54:46 read it together and
00:54:49 exactly it’s about the king coming to
00:54:52 leave it simple but we could go through
00:54:56 it but it’s about the reigning of the
00:54:58 king and coming of the king that’s what
00:54:59 Tabernacles is about
00:55:01 that you you once you know what the
00:55:04 different High holidays are about you’ll
00:55:06 start seeing them in key doctrinal
00:55:09 passages in the Book of Mormon
00:55:12 um a lot of the key ones were given on
00:55:15 High holidays actually so why didn’t
00:55:19 Joseph keep them
00:55:21 uh Joseph Smith was a gentile
00:55:24 he also did not restore everything
00:55:28 um nor was he
00:55:31 supposed to
00:55:32 Joseph Smith was a forerunner
00:55:35 um the mighty and strong one will be
00:55:38 restoring more
00:55:41 um
00:55:42 and if you want I here’s a post where I
00:55:45 deal with that we could go look at it
00:55:46 but the verses
00:55:49 was it the first Nephi 14 first I forget
00:55:52 the exact one
00:55:54 um but I deal with that in here and I
00:55:57 mainly
00:55:59 kind of contrast to how Joseph Smith is
00:56:02 to restore much
00:56:04 contrary to DNC 3240 says He restored
00:56:07 all and
00:56:09 um much in all I mean two different
00:56:11 things right
00:56:14 DNC 132 is a lie it is just a lie and it
00:56:21 contradicts The Book of Mormon on
00:56:22 multiple things and that was just one
00:56:24 that I kind of focused that post on
00:56:27 but Joseph Smith did not restore
00:56:29 everything he was the Forerunner the
00:56:31 mighty one is going to be restoring
00:56:34 more
00:56:35 um and we can get into that if you want
00:56:37 but
00:56:39 um it keeps my tracking sorry
00:56:42 I I do kind of Sidetrack to help give
00:56:44 more support for what I’m saying but
00:56:48 did you have something you wanted to say
00:56:49 Sue
00:56:53 I’m just trying to keep notes on what I
00:56:56 mean okay so here it is actually so
00:56:58 here’s the actual verse in which that
00:57:01 much of my gospel is actually recorded
00:57:04 it’s in first Nephi chapter 13.
00:57:07 chapter what first Nephi chapter 13
00:57:11 verse 34. Oh I was off anyways whatever
00:57:18 so it’s okay
00:57:21 13 verse 24
00:57:24 34.
00:57:25 [Music]
00:57:27 okay all right thank you thank you I
00:57:29 appreciate that
00:57:31 and it came to pass that the angel of
00:57:33 the Lord spake unto me saying behold
00:57:36 saith the Lamb of God after I had
00:57:38 visited the remnant of the House of
00:57:40 Israel and this remnant of whom I speak
00:57:42 is the seed of my father wherefore after
00:57:46 I have visited them in judgment and
00:57:48 smitten them by the hand of the Gentiles
00:57:50 and after the Gentiles do stumble
00:57:52 exceedingly because of the most plain
00:57:54 and precious parts of the Gospel of the
00:57:56 Lamb which had been kept back by that
00:57:57 abominable Church which is the mother of
00:58:00 harlots say at the lamb I will be
00:58:03 merciful onto the Gentiles in that day
00:58:06 in so much that I will bring forth unto
00:58:08 them in mine own power
00:58:11 much of my gosh oh wait a minute what
00:58:14 what I thought it was all
00:58:16 not much much of my gospel which shall
00:58:20 be plain and precious
00:58:24 so what was restored is plain and
00:58:28 precious but not everything was restored
00:58:32 right and also this is a side track
00:58:36 um
00:58:37 as I study things about the mighty and
00:58:39 strong one I see patterns of three
00:58:42 the preparer for lack of a better name
00:58:45 the mighty one and then the Messiah
00:58:50 so uh Joseph Smith wasn’t supposed to
00:58:53 restore it all he he he unlike what some
00:58:57 people sorry go ahead too
00:58:59 well you said three things and my
00:59:01 husband said something I missed it oh
00:59:03 yeah there’s three
00:59:05 the Mighty the mighty cycle I would call
00:59:09 it for lack of a better one there’s
00:59:11 three individuals
00:59:13 and I see multiple instances of this in
00:59:16 the scriptures there’s there there’s the
00:59:18 preparer
00:59:19 the mighty one and then the Messiah
00:59:26 there’s three and three is the number
00:59:29 for Redemption
00:59:34 um so
00:59:36 um
00:59:38 I forget what I was going to say now but
00:59:41 anyways no
00:59:43 um so one thing I do want to bring out
00:59:44 so as I State how the holy spirit is the
00:59:48 law
00:59:49 now this vision is an interesting Vision
00:59:52 just because some people say well they
00:59:54 called the spirit a he in here and it
00:59:56 does they’re absolutely right
00:59:58 but Yahweh was a spirit at this time and
01:00:03 this since it’s in this first summit
01:00:04 that we just read I’m going to bring it
01:00:06 out
01:00:08 the angel of Yahweh
01:00:12 that is who that spirit is
01:00:16 and that is Yahweh
01:00:18 incarnate Yeshua
01:00:20 give me one minute
01:00:23 so he is literally so he’s literally
01:00:26 speaking to the Lord face to face
01:00:29 upon the day
01:00:37 was Christ not embodied at that time
01:00:40 today at Pentecost uh Christ
01:00:44 which Pentecost now that’s acts two yeah
01:00:47 he’s talking about the one with the
01:00:49 apostles and the building in the upper
01:00:52 room where the spirit comes down and
01:00:55 they see poems of fire over their heads
01:00:58 Christ is embodied at that point
01:01:01 okay
01:01:03 um so she’s asking she
01:01:07 with the law came under the people
01:01:11 um so I I mean even though mom made them
01:01:14 speak in tongues
01:01:16 well uh a gift that’s a gift and and so
01:01:21 the gift of the spirit and you get that
01:01:23 when you keep the law
01:01:25 when you keep the law you get power
01:01:28 there is power in the law and I can show
01:01:31 that there’s power in the word
01:01:34 which is the law or yahweh’s words there
01:01:37 is power in that
01:01:40 um and so when we keep and when in at
01:01:43 Christ baptism when he was baptized and
01:01:46 the spirit descended upon him like a
01:01:50 dove okay so uh in the book
01:01:54 uh so
01:01:56 that is a Hebrew idiom and I actually
01:01:58 see it in the book I’ll tell you what it
01:02:00 is it’s Angels coming down and you can
01:02:03 see that in the Book of Mormon and this
01:02:04 Vision actually uh it’s not directly
01:02:09 stated but I actually can see it and I
01:02:12 can look we can go look at my notes on
01:02:13 this if you want but also there are
01:02:16 Hebrew teachers when they talk about
01:02:19 um descending like a dove they bring out
01:02:22 how that is Angels coming down
01:02:26 and when we go look at third Nephi 11
01:02:28 event angels are coming down and you can
01:02:31 correlate that with this Vision with
01:02:34 these um what’s going on between the two
01:02:36 of them there’s correlations and so the
01:02:39 Book of Mormon doesn’t just directly
01:02:41 come out and say it
01:02:43 but if you put connect the dots
01:02:46 it is
01:02:48 that’s Angels coming down
01:02:51 foreign
01:02:55 if you want you’re looking you want to
01:02:58 go look at my notes
01:03:02 I will okay well let’s go look at my
01:03:05 notes
01:03:10 because I don’t have all that memorized
01:03:12 but
01:03:14 um
01:03:15 [Laughter]
01:03:19 if you had that all memorized I would
01:03:22 say you had a gift
01:03:24 I have some things memorized but not
01:03:27 that one uh is that one a tree
01:03:36 let me
01:03:42 try again
01:03:50 is that a dragon or a dinosaur
01:03:57 what are we looking for
01:04:00 I gotta find My Notes sorry I have lots
01:04:02 of notes oh here we go okay
01:04:07 Okay so
01:04:09 we can just go through and read my notes
01:04:11 and I can start expounding up on them
01:04:13 because this is
01:04:15 um where I I do recognize this is the
01:04:18 the notes on it but I have a few
01:04:20 um
01:04:21 so
01:04:23 uh yeah just go ahead and just go ahead
01:04:26 start from the top and start expanding
01:04:28 okay first thing if I ate
01:04:32 I think I hear a cricket
01:04:34 sorry
01:04:37 um I I I don’t um fall off a building on
01:04:41 me okay
01:04:43 does anybody know that I’m referring
01:04:45 anyway
01:04:48 I came to the past that I beheld a tree
01:04:51 whose fruit was desirable to make one
01:04:53 happy so
01:04:56 um
01:04:56 the main person purpose of these notes
01:05:00 Here is to bring out how the fruit are
01:05:03 our works okay and desirable fruits are
01:05:07 actually falling Torah and we get into
01:05:10 that but anyways
01:05:11 um so
01:05:13 sweet
01:05:16 um
01:05:17 is an idiom that has to do with keeping
01:05:20 Torah
01:05:21 um and so is honey okay and and this is
01:05:25 a little note that I need to go do a
01:05:27 little more
01:05:28 um look up on is desirable sweet is
01:05:32 desirable
01:05:33 um now how connected to that is with the
01:05:36 idiom I think it is but this is where I
01:05:37 have something else I need to go do some
01:05:39 follow-up for myself but I
01:05:41 I haven’t had time yet because I I get
01:05:43 sidetracked a lot I’m trying to finish
01:05:46 some posts but anyways okay
01:05:50 did you want to say something Josh I
01:05:53 said no no crickets I got you uh well
01:05:55 actually
01:05:57 so on that side track
01:06:00 um you know how the LDS
01:06:03 I did it no but
01:06:08 they were saved from crickets right
01:06:12 right the seagulls came and saved them
01:06:15 crickets are a curse Deuteronomy 28 and
01:06:18 29.
01:06:21 for breaking the law their curse for
01:06:24 breaking the law and in fact that is
01:06:27 what Yahweh first really put on my heart
01:06:31 that I needed to write my king Brigham
01:06:34 post
01:06:35 is because of that
01:06:37 um just
01:06:38 because of crickets yeah because of
01:06:41 crickets crickets crazy huh think back
01:06:44 the Crickets that you’re hearing are an
01:06:47 alarm on my husband’s
01:06:49 [Music]
01:06:51 that’s awesome
01:06:54 no but see you weren’t hearing things I
01:06:58 guess I wasn’t but look see my picture I
01:07:00 have on top of it is actually crickets
01:07:02 it’s the Mormon crickets actually to be
01:07:04 specific but anyways
01:07:05 um that’s a curse from Deuteronomy
01:07:07 actually occurs from Deuteronomy 29 that
01:07:10 was a 29 okay so I I just 28 28 29 yeah
01:07:14 I I don’t know which one it is off top
01:07:16 my head we can go find it those two are
01:07:19 those two chapters have been a big one
01:07:21 for me but anyways
01:07:23 um just like your DNC 88 but
01:07:26 um because in fact I think it was last
01:07:29 week I talked about how that disproves
01:07:31 uh people’s thought about Nathan being
01:07:34 given uh David’s wives right because
01:07:37 that’s a curse
01:07:39 in those genders that actually com where
01:07:43 these polygamists say it was a blessing
01:07:45 no God doesn’t turn curses into
01:07:47 blessings
01:07:49 David got cursed he did
01:07:52 David sinned I know the Jews hate to
01:07:55 hear that but he sent he repented and
01:07:58 that is why he’s after yahweh’s own
01:08:00 heart because he repented not because he
01:08:04 never sinned but anyways that that is
01:08:07 was the first thing that God really put
01:08:10 in my heart to write this post crickets
01:08:13 sorry about that I was just hearing the
01:08:16 Crickets Summers
01:08:18 um let’s go back to the others no one
01:08:22 was the change okay
01:08:27 um okay person if I ate 11.
01:08:31 yeah that’s fine he’s a deacon
01:08:38 uh eight eleven and it came to pass that
01:08:40 I did go forth and partake of the fruit
01:08:43 so I partook of Torah I started keeping
01:08:47 it and and I did this uh
01:08:52 was it yesterday or today anyways but um
01:08:56 these words you have to look at uh
01:08:59 definitions in fact I did this with uh
01:09:01 third Nephi 3 were Yahweh touched the
01:09:07 stones okay in fact let’s go
01:09:11 I know I’m sidetracking okay but I’m
01:09:13 just trying to
01:09:15 oh actually I didn’t need to change the
01:09:17 screen it’s fine I just had to change
01:09:18 where I was at
01:09:28 here
01:09:33 no where did I put it
01:09:38 no I put it in my book of Mormon so
01:09:40 let’s just go
01:09:43 I can’t share this I I know I’m
01:09:45 sidetracking but hopefully hopefully
01:09:48 this kiss helps people to study their
01:09:50 scriptures more okay that’s
01:09:56 it
01:10:00 oh uh
01:10:02 ether 3 6.
01:10:06 yes yeah touching the stones yes yeah
01:10:09 yeah okay so let me okay
01:10:12 so we have the verse
01:10:15 let’s go here
01:10:22 so the the reason I went and look into
01:10:25 this
01:10:26 Yahweh had not carnated at this point
01:10:29 right
01:10:33 right he’s only a spirit right how did
01:10:37 he touch right
01:10:39 how did he touch
01:10:43 that’s why we go look up the definition
01:10:47 uh contact well that one can’t do
01:10:50 perceive yeah but that doesn’t go with
01:10:52 context to come to uh
01:10:55 I’m not convinced by that to try how do
01:10:58 you try a stone anyways to relate to
01:11:01 yeah no
01:11:02 the handle
01:11:04 yummy uh anyways
01:11:08 metal is you change things you change
01:11:11 right to middle and someone’s path
01:11:13 you’re changing their path or even
01:11:16 better to affect
01:11:20 um effect
01:11:23 to move to soften and to melt that’s
01:11:26 interesting because that actually goes
01:11:28 with the context right because brother
01:11:30 Jared just
01:11:31 melted those stones
01:11:34 so that’s I I wonder if that is a uh
01:11:38 Hebrew pun going on that we don’t catch
01:11:41 because of it’s in English and not
01:11:44 Hebrew but anyways
01:11:46 to mark
01:11:49 um he did kind of Mark it right but
01:11:51 anyways yeah I mean whatever he did made
01:11:54 him glow so yeah and we’ll we’ll get
01:11:57 into that it
01:11:58 I I don’t mean to Sidetrack this but I’m
01:12:01 just anyways sorry I get excited
01:12:04 so I love squirrels I need a pet
01:12:07 squirrel to infect as Mom touched with
01:12:10 pestilence ah I always say not so much
01:12:12 that to make an impression
01:12:14 I would say that happened right it
01:12:17 touched your heart we don’t really we
01:12:20 can’t literally touch each other’s heart
01:12:22 right
01:12:23 no uh to strike uh I I’m not too
01:12:28 taken by that one I don’t think that
01:12:31 influence
01:12:32 Stephen I’ve got a question for you sure
01:12:35 what is the uh what is the symbology of
01:12:40 Stone’s Revelation I’ll get into that if
01:12:43 you guys will let me stay on the side
01:12:45 track I’ll get on to that okay
01:12:48 um but yeah if you let me continue I’ll
01:12:50 address that to treat slightly and just
01:12:54 yeah that one doesn’t impressed to
01:12:57 afflict yeah but I wouldn’t say this
01:13:00 context
01:13:02 to fasten on to take effect on treat
01:13:06 the sense of attack now so anyways the
01:13:10 the I think the big one
01:13:12 was to affect right and somewhat metal
01:13:16 with but that’s a little different but
01:13:18 it’s kind of along the same lines right
01:13:21 and I just find number nine interesting
01:13:22 to soften and to melt and and especially
01:13:26 the softened right
01:13:28 because what does he do to our hearts
01:13:30 he softens them so
01:13:34 um
01:13:34 that’s
01:13:37 so to go along with what Matt’s bringing
01:13:40 up
01:13:42 let’s go get there
01:13:44 um or
01:13:48 uh I think it’s in where’s it before
01:13:51 anyways uh yeah so the thing that I find
01:13:53 interesting
01:13:55 There are 16 Stones right and
01:13:58 um
01:14:00 stones
01:14:02 one of their symbolic meanings is
01:14:04 revelation okay
01:14:07 and he made him pure and Light
01:14:11 and that’s what truth and knowledge is
01:14:13 is pure and light and knowledge right
01:14:16 and there were eight boats which I
01:14:19 actually would say reflects back to
01:14:22 baptism and I’ll explain a little more
01:14:23 in just a minute
01:14:25 and there is two in each
01:14:28 boat like onto a dish or tight like
01:14:30 under a dish right
01:14:32 one in the front
01:14:35 and one in the back
01:14:39 God gives us Revelation about art the
01:14:42 future and the past so that what we can
01:14:45 guide our lives right now
01:14:49 and we get that after we’re baptized or
01:14:52 we really start to understand it after
01:14:54 we’re baptized the eight
01:14:57 so revelation
01:15:00 help us look forward and Revelation to
01:15:02 help us understand the past so that we
01:15:04 will know what to do in the now
01:15:07 and in addition
01:15:08 when they were in this these barges
01:15:11 Yahweh directed The Wind
01:15:14 his word
01:15:16 and the deep ocean which is the world so
01:15:21 that way they would get to the promised
01:15:23 land so we may hate what’s going on in
01:15:27 the world today
01:15:30 but is actually part of yahweh’s way to
01:15:33 get us to go to the promised land
01:15:37 he directed The Seas even though they’re
01:15:40 Wicked Yahweh even uses the wicked for
01:15:44 his holy purposes
01:15:48 anyways
01:15:50 um we can go on more on that side track
01:15:51 or we can go back
01:15:53 this is yeah that’s that’s the
01:15:57 interesting that’s an interesting thing
01:15:59 is that this is when we this is when the
01:16:03 brother of Jared first sees the Lord as
01:16:05 well
01:16:06 uh yes it is
01:16:08 um but I gotta look at my
01:16:13 uh uh yeah verse seven actually or seven
01:16:16 below anyways the seven is the where it
01:16:19 kind of starts really coming out
01:16:21 um do you want to look at that and it
01:16:24 was as
01:16:25 and it came to pass and when the brother
01:16:27 of Jared had set these words Behold The
01:16:29 Lord stretched forth his hand and
01:16:31 touched the stones or affected the
01:16:33 stones one by one with his finger
01:16:35 this is also figurative languages
01:16:38 this is I this could be figurative
01:16:42 language but it’s I suspect that he saw
01:16:45 and it says here that he saw the finger
01:16:47 so there’s it there you go well yeah
01:16:48 that was literal and that one actually
01:16:51 gets explained further down
01:16:53 um
01:16:54 the eyes of the brother of Jared and he
01:16:56 saw the finger of the Lord and it was as
01:16:58 the finger of a man like onto flesh and
01:17:01 blood
01:17:02 the brother of Jared fell down before
01:17:03 the Lord for you struck with fear the
01:17:06 lord saw the brother of Jared had fallen
01:17:08 to the earth and the Lord said unto him
01:17:10 arise why hast thou Fallen you saith
01:17:12 unto the Lord I Saw the finger of the
01:17:14 Lord and I feared lest he should smite
01:17:16 me for I knew not that the Lord had
01:17:18 flesh and blood
01:17:21 um and the Lord said unto him because of
01:17:23 thy faith thou Hast seen that I shall
01:17:27 take upon me
01:17:29 flesh and blood
01:17:32 and never has man come before me with
01:17:34 such exceeding faith has now has or were
01:17:38 it not so you could not have seen my
01:17:40 finger sauce thou more than this he
01:17:43 answered Name Lord showed thyself unto
01:17:45 me
01:17:47 just a beautiful statement right there
01:17:50 just just Absolute Total surrender
01:17:54 and it’s beautiful
01:17:56 and it’s also a manifestation of the
01:17:58 power of that of the savior’s words ask
01:18:01 and you shall receive
01:18:03 the word said unto him
01:18:06 and the Lord said unto him
01:18:08 believeth thou the words
01:18:11 which I shall speak yeah which I shall
01:18:14 speak
01:18:15 and he said yeah with exactly and he
01:18:18 answered yay Lord I know us that thou
01:18:21 speakest the truth for thou art a god of
01:18:23 truth and canst not lie and when he had
01:18:27 said these words Behold The Lord showed
01:18:30 himself on him and said because thou
01:18:32 knowest these things ye are redeemed
01:18:35 from the fall
01:18:37 therefore you are brought back into my
01:18:39 presence therefore I show myself on you
01:18:42 and this is why I say
01:18:45 that as we follow in the footsteps of
01:18:47 the Savior obedient to the Commandments
01:18:50 and the law
01:18:53 as we follow in his footsteps eventually
01:18:56 on some Sabbath
01:18:59 will turn around
01:19:00 and draw us through the Veil
01:19:03 and we will see his face we will know
01:19:05 that he is
01:19:08 and along those lines 35 11 was on an
01:19:13 annual Sabbath Pentecost
01:19:17 he yep Yahweh does his things on his
01:19:21 appointed times
01:19:24 which the high holidays are
01:19:28 um
01:19:30 practices of those things
01:19:34 to get us ready for when it really
01:19:36 happens
01:19:38 um and one thing I
01:19:40 this account is loaded
01:19:44 um yes but one thing I I will say
01:19:49 is that before we can go into his
01:19:52 presence we will have to see how he
01:19:55 directs the things in this world to help
01:19:58 us as in seeing his finger can we really
01:20:01 see his finger and our lives
01:20:04 if not you won’t see him well you will
01:20:07 but you’ll be wanting to hide under a
01:20:09 rock at that point but
01:20:12 if you want it to be a pleasant and
01:20:15 joyful experience
01:20:18 um which can happen in this life and
01:20:21 you should strive to have that happen
01:20:24 um
01:20:25 you’re going to want to see how he is
01:20:27 directing Our Lives
01:20:30 to come to him
01:20:32 I think it’s I think it’s interesting
01:20:35 that
01:20:37 that whole experience of the brother of
01:20:39 Jared he saw the Lord’s finger and
01:20:42 he fell down before the Lord for he was
01:20:45 struck with fear right
01:20:48 he was he didn’t know how to process
01:20:52 what he’d just seen and it it scared him
01:20:54 to death
01:20:55 almost and he fell so and there is an
01:20:59 interesting word
01:21:01 fear is an interesting word because it
01:21:03 can also mean Revere
01:21:06 yeah and reverence reverence not
01:21:10 necessarily fear
01:21:12 yeah well there are some other I mean
01:21:14 there are some other scriptures that go
01:21:16 along
01:21:16 that could go along with that too I mean
01:21:20 you know Moses when when he first saw
01:21:22 the Lord and he hit his face from the
01:21:24 Lord it was out of reverence it wasn’t
01:21:25 necessarily because he was afraid or
01:21:28 well but it was a reverent Act
01:21:31 well there I think there’s multiple
01:21:33 parts to this and this is where when
01:21:36 Hebrew is not our native
01:21:39 language we don’t catch all these
01:21:41 meanings right away but
01:21:44 um
01:21:45 this goes into a confusion that
01:21:48 Christendom has that can you see
01:21:51 yahweh’s face or can’t you because in in
01:21:54 the Bible without the jst it’ll tell you
01:21:57 that
01:21:59 actually it was Moses and 70 others saw
01:22:01 yahweh’s face I can get the verses if
01:22:04 you want or there’s other places that
01:22:06 says you can’t see God’s face and live
01:22:08 right there’s this contradictory thing
01:22:11 here but the thing is
01:22:14 the jst brings us out in other modern
01:22:17 scriptures
01:22:19 in your sin
01:22:21 you can’t see the face of Yahweh and
01:22:24 live
01:22:25 once you’ve been
01:22:27 forgiven you then and are sanctified
01:22:32 you can
01:22:34 see his face and the because now you
01:22:36 have no sin within you
01:22:38 you will there’s if all you are is
01:22:42 filled with sin
01:22:45 his presence Burns sin you will burn
01:22:48 away
01:22:49 yeah if you’re Sanctified you have no
01:22:53 sin
01:22:54 you can withstand it
01:22:57 and his presence is
01:23:01 eternal burning
01:23:05 if you have sin in you
01:23:07 you won’t be able to withstand that
01:23:10 in fact so much full when you build a
01:23:13 bonfire
01:23:15 you don’t want to get right next up to
01:23:18 it because you’re going to burn right
01:23:19 it’s the same idea right yeah catch on
01:23:21 fire yeah I don’t know you don’t have
01:23:23 quite a hot experience yeah
01:23:26 it’s not that he doesn’t want you there
01:23:28 yeah he does it’ll be a hot time in the
01:23:30 old town tonight oh yeah
01:23:35 you need to purify yourself
01:23:37 um right right right did you want to say
01:23:40 something Sue you’re you’re you’re uh
01:23:42 you’re muted if you wanted to say
01:23:44 something
01:23:45 I said you guys are old enough to
01:23:46 remember that song
01:23:47 [Laughter]
01:23:58 uh anyways but no and and and and and
01:24:02 you know
01:24:04 going along with that I remember
01:24:07 just off the top of my head Joseph Smith
01:24:10 in his uh count of of the Angel Moroni
01:24:13 that’s not even God
01:24:15 that’s not even Yahweh or or Elohim or
01:24:19 anybody like that coming to see him
01:24:21 which
01:24:22 Joseph also saw
01:24:24 but it was an angel and he said that the
01:24:29 whiteness of the Angel feared him with
01:24:32 filled him with fear
01:24:34 but that the fear soon subsided and went
01:24:37 away
01:24:38 oh I don’t remember that part that’s no
01:24:40 yeah it’s uh Joe Smith history 132.
01:24:45 Not only was this aerobic seatingly wide
01:24:47 but his whole person was glorious Beyond
01:24:49 description and just counting truly like
01:24:52 lightning the room was exceedingly light
01:24:54 but not so very bright as immediately
01:24:57 around this person when I first looked
01:24:59 upon him I was afraid but the fear soon
01:25:02 left me
01:25:03 huh okay
01:25:05 uh I I used to have part of that
01:25:07 memorized
01:25:08 [Laughter]
01:25:11 I think every missionary had a part of
01:25:14 Joseph Smith history memorized at one
01:25:16 point or another yeah pretty much oh
01:25:18 yeah part right yeah
01:25:20 yeah yeah
01:25:21 I I do believe this this has problems in
01:25:26 it but anyways it’s probably not that
01:25:29 part but um I didn’t remember that
01:25:35 really honestly when you when you come
01:25:38 to think about it it’s
01:25:40 um
01:25:42 I think that an experience like that
01:25:45 could be initially alarming because it’s
01:25:48 it’s definitely outside the scope of of
01:25:52 what we’re normally used to in our
01:25:54 day-to-day lives
01:25:55 and so I think a lot of times when they
01:25:57 use when they say fear I I think more
01:26:00 along the lines of alarm or whoa this is
01:26:03 like way outside the norm how do I
01:26:07 process this uh is the way that I look
01:26:10 at that a lot of the time
01:26:13 because it’s a normal human reaction
01:26:14 anything that we don’t know or
01:26:16 understand we’re like whoa
01:26:19 what is going on here
01:26:21 sure and then and then as we as we get
01:26:25 further and we immerse ourselves further
01:26:27 into the situation we’re like oh okay
01:26:29 this is
01:26:31 this is what it is whatever that happens
01:26:33 to be
01:26:34 sure and and you’ll even see in this
01:26:37 account that we just read with ether or
01:26:39 you know brother Jared uh Yahweh calmed
01:26:42 him down to say it’s okay
01:26:44 right right right
01:26:46 this is your new Norm now
01:26:49 yeah actually that was his new Norm
01:26:51 right because I think yeah yeah and
01:26:53 that’s what he said that’s what Jesus or
01:26:55 that’s why Yahweh told him this is your
01:26:57 new Norm now
01:26:59 yeah
01:27:00 um let’s see
01:27:08 I think it’s somewhere in chapter four
01:27:10 but this is where I
01:27:12 it actually states that they he couldn’t
01:27:16 be kept from without the veil or right
01:27:19 it does state that
01:27:21 um
01:27:22 where is it
01:27:24 yeah it did say that uh I like
01:27:29 that the Kindle is horrible to search
01:27:32 um so let me go back to the LDS one
01:27:36 um
01:27:37 in fact it also I think in three or
01:27:40 chapter three or chapter four it also
01:27:43 states that
01:27:44 um Yahweh promised it to him right and
01:27:48 then
01:27:49 hey
01:27:50 and the brother Jared believed it as in
01:27:53 kind of alluded to right in three verses
01:27:56 that we just read or chapter three
01:27:59 verses we just read right
01:28:01 um
01:28:08 ail
01:28:10 I could spell yeah there it was um
01:28:17 uh maybe it was three
01:28:19 that one doesn’t look quite what I’m
01:28:21 looking for
01:28:22 I’m trying to copy things
01:28:25 I don’t think it was no I don’t think it
01:28:28 was oh here it’s three and 19 and
01:28:30 because of the knowledge of this man he
01:28:32 could not be kept from beholding within
01:28:35 the Veil
01:28:37 um
01:28:41 so hold on let’s just I’m gonna pause
01:28:43 the recording for just a moment
01:28:46 okay what were we talking
01:28:49 this meeting is being recorded we’re
01:28:52 being recorded
01:28:53 um so yeah where were we I forget
01:28:58 we were talking we were talking about
01:29:00 about uh the brother Jared being able to
01:29:03 see through the veil oh yeah yeah and
01:29:05 the subsequent fear and calming
01:29:08 influence that uh that Yahweh uh
01:29:12 provided to him but right he uh brother
01:29:15 Jared was scared but then Yahweh calmed
01:29:18 him down right it’s like it’s okay right
01:29:21 um I’m not here to destroy you I’m here
01:29:24 to help you just like he said in the New
01:29:27 Testament right
01:29:28 well well at that point he he couldn’t
01:29:32 destroy the brother Jared because
01:29:34 brother Jared was pure he was pure
01:29:37 enough
01:29:38 to be able to see his finger
01:29:41 right
01:29:42 um in order for that to happen he had to
01:29:45 be in that moment without sin
01:29:49 yeah uh because in that point he did
01:29:52 literally see but there is this some
01:29:54 symbolism in there that
01:29:57 that the rest of us can gain from is in
01:30:00 seeing his finger in our lives right and
01:30:02 how he’s directing things
01:30:04 um
01:30:05 which will hopefully get us prepared to
01:30:08 the point where we can actually
01:30:10 literally see him in the flesh right
01:30:13 right so
01:30:15 yeah someday
01:30:17 yes
01:30:19 um In the Flesh we can’t see him in this
01:30:22 life if we strive at it right
01:30:27 um in fact Nephi was it second Nephi two
01:30:32 uh brings out three people himself his
01:30:36 brother Jacob and Isaiah that’s all
01:30:38 right if I remember the list correctly
01:30:41 and I think it’s second Nephi 25 anyways
01:30:44 somewhere around there anyways
01:30:46 um so it is possible
01:30:49 I think it’s like an email
01:30:54 let’s let’s see because sometimes I’m
01:30:57 off a little bit like I was earlier
01:31:00 um
01:31:02 scene
01:31:03 let’s see
01:31:06 behold they crucify him and after he is
01:31:09 laid in a Sepulcher for the space of
01:31:11 three days
01:31:12 he shall rise from the dead in fact uh
01:31:16 this this is a Sidetrack right there
01:31:17 three days but anyways sorry you shall
01:31:19 rise from the dead healing in his wings
01:31:23 um in fact second Nephi 2 actually tells
01:31:24 us what day that is
01:31:27 first fruits it actually does but
01:31:28 anyways and all these whose first fruits
01:31:31 yeah so believe on his name shall be
01:31:34 seen in the Kingdom of Elohim where for
01:31:36 myself to life and prophesy concerning
01:31:38 him for I have seen his day
01:31:42 he saw yeshua’s mortal Ministry
01:31:46 and my heart doesn’t magnify His holy
01:31:49 name
01:31:50 um
01:31:51 now maybe this is not the chapter I was
01:31:53 thinking maybe it’s second week by nine
01:31:55 because
01:31:57 no I’m sure it’s this one because I
01:32:00 anyways it probably doesn’t matter too
01:32:02 much I don’t know if you guys want to
01:32:04 Sidetrack on that one
01:32:07 it’s not in there well the the longer
01:32:10 the short of it is there are other
01:32:11 people who have seen yeah yeah
01:32:16 they’re this the scriptures are full of
01:32:20 evidences Isaiah chapter 6
01:32:24 um
01:32:27 Jeremiah
01:32:29 right at the beginning he sees the Lord
01:32:31 does alma the younger see the Lord in
01:32:34 his in his story of redemption
01:32:39 sorry I wasn’t listening I’m trying to
01:32:41 find the verse I want so all of the
01:32:43 younger was was it not Alma the younger
01:32:45 did he not see the Lord and Savior when
01:32:48 he received his redemption or his
01:32:50 sanctification uh yeah
01:32:53 um in fact uh that first fidget actually
01:32:58 caused an earthquake too right
01:33:01 um yeah and then when he recounts it to
01:33:04 his sons he brings out some things and
01:33:07 what saved him
01:33:09 it wasn’t a visit to the bishop
01:33:14 it was calling out his name
01:33:17 and he couldn’t have went to a bishop he
01:33:20 was in a coma
01:33:22 right the good brother Bishop to him
01:33:25 though
01:33:28 I’m just can you imagine trying to get a
01:33:32 bishop moving that doesn’t want to move
01:33:33 uh well it uh and he was a vile sinner
01:33:37 in fact to the point of trying to
01:33:38 destroy the church right
01:33:41 um well he had he he had literally
01:33:43 he he had been taught we can assume that
01:33:47 he’d been taught from a young well we
01:33:48 can assume that we’re not told that but
01:33:51 his dad being the leader of the church
01:33:52 you gotta
01:33:54 figure that I I actually did his dad
01:33:57 actually states that he was taught but
01:33:59 anyways right so he had literally turned
01:34:02 his back yeah in fact on his father’s
01:34:05 teachings
01:34:06 I’d have to go look at I think I’d bring
01:34:09 this out and my uh Bishops are Israel
01:34:11 post I actually do believe he was a
01:34:14 leader in the church when that happened
01:34:16 uh and we could go you believe he was
01:34:18 what now a leader in the church
01:34:22 he was yes see I just read something the
01:34:25 other day that Alma the younger
01:34:27 was murdering people and maybe not in a
01:34:31 literal physical murdering sense but in
01:34:34 the sense that he was basically acting
01:34:36 like one of the general authorities now
01:34:38 leading people astray
01:34:43 yeah he actually confesses to murder
01:34:45 you’re right Darren we’re right but then
01:34:47 he brings it how he’s taking people away
01:34:50 from Yahweh
01:34:51 um so he does use the term but then he
01:34:54 expounds that term and so
01:34:58 I believe the reason he can say that
01:35:00 when you
01:35:02 um
01:35:03 The Ten Commandments have five
01:35:05 Commandments to deal with worshiping
01:35:07 Yahweh and there’s five to dealing with
01:35:10 uh with our fellow Neighbors
01:35:13 and the one about Yahweh
01:35:17 and man
01:35:19 are one and six and and the way it’s
01:35:21 expressed in number six is murdering
01:35:24 people and and number one it’s about how
01:35:28 I’m God
01:35:30 but they both have to do with wanting to
01:35:33 get a get rid of that individual with
01:35:36 God you deny him because you can’t kill
01:35:39 him right right yeah no you yeah there’s
01:35:43 no killing him right but the way you can
01:35:45 get rid of mad
01:35:47 is murder
01:35:50 right and so here is Alma the younger
01:35:54 getting people away from Yahweh
01:35:58 which is like murder
01:36:00 commandment one and six
01:36:03 that’s where it comes from and I’ve
01:36:05 actually that’s
01:36:07 and so when he finally comes to the
01:36:09 realization of what it is he’s been
01:36:11 doing his his pains are unbearable and
01:36:14 he can’t he he’s about ready to give up
01:36:18 and just surrender to destruction
01:36:22 Eternal destruction
01:36:23 yeah and then he remembers the words of
01:36:26 his father
01:36:27 right and I mean there’s lots of things
01:36:30 that’s an example and this is one
01:36:32 example of
01:36:34 you just don’t know if someone woke up
01:36:37 because he just happened to remember the
01:36:40 teachings of his father and about
01:36:41 calling on the Messiah
01:36:44 we just don’t know
01:36:47 nope that’s why we just we call
01:36:49 repentance to everybody
01:36:52 in fact I’ll show you my favorite verse
01:36:55 on that
01:36:57 um
01:37:06 foreign
01:37:12 you want to read it Josh
01:37:15 sure
01:37:16 oh my eyesight isn’t what it used to be
01:37:19 there we go all right
01:37:22 and now uh Moroni chapter 9 verse 6
01:37:24 right
01:37:26 highlighted and now my beloved Son
01:37:29 notwithstanding their hardness
01:37:31 let us labor diligently for if we should
01:37:34 cease to labor we should be brought
01:37:36 under condemnation
01:37:38 for we have a labor to perform we’ll
01:37:40 extend this Tabernacle of clay
01:37:43 that we may conquer the enemy of
01:37:45 righteousness and rest our souls in the
01:37:48 kingdom of God
01:37:50 so the Book of Ezekiel actually in
01:37:54 Ezekiel they actually
01:37:56 um if you’re if the Watchman on the
01:38:00 tower does not speak yeah
01:38:03 um then he is guilty of murder
01:38:06 oh here
01:38:09 there you go you want to read them just
01:38:10 brought it up
01:38:15 that’s awesome
01:38:17 where is that but if I’m about to read
01:38:20 it Ezekiel 33. right here but if the
01:38:24 Watchmen see the sword come and blow not
01:38:28 the trumpet and the people be not warned
01:38:31 if the sword come and take any person
01:38:34 from among them he is taken away in his
01:38:37 iniquity but his blood will I require at
01:38:40 the watchman’s hand and so you have to
01:38:42 understand the law to realize what he’s
01:38:45 saying here is if you don’t spread the
01:38:47 warning you’re guilty of murder right
01:38:49 and
01:38:51 um I mean we saw in the Book of Mormon
01:38:52 in a minute but since he’s bringing the
01:38:54 law I’ll read it from the law
01:38:57 Leviticus 19 17 Thou shalt not hate thy
01:39:00 brother in thine heart meaning you shall
01:39:03 love him and that’s a whole other thing
01:39:05 that’s a renewed commandment to Love Thy
01:39:07 Neighbor
01:39:09 Thou shalt in any wise re Brook rebuke
01:39:13 thy neighbor and not suffer sin to come
01:39:16 upon him you should call repentance so
01:39:19 that way he won’t keep sinning
01:39:23 um so there’s lots of places that that
01:39:26 in that if you scroll back up to
01:39:29 Leviticus
01:39:31 that is
01:39:35 how you don’t hate your brother in your
01:39:38 heart because if you don’t like or love
01:39:41 or even like your brother if you see him
01:39:43 messing up you’re not going to say
01:39:45 anything because you don’t like him so
01:39:47 so when I say something to somebody
01:39:50 that seems like a personal rebuke it is
01:39:55 because I recognize my responsibility to
01:40:00 warn my neighbor
01:40:02 and not suffer them to remain in sin
01:40:06 yeah but what if they’re just not ready
01:40:09 to hear it yet and you warn them and it
01:40:13 falls on deaf ears because
01:40:16 they weren’t ready to hear it
01:40:18 that’s not for you
01:40:21 it’s not for me to judge that’s not for
01:40:23 you but that’s what I did entire time
01:40:26 that I’ve been a member of the church is
01:40:28 that I wasn’t allowed to speak I wasn’t
01:40:29 allowed to tell the truth because they
01:40:32 weren’t ready for that yet I had to back
01:40:34 up to where they were and bring them
01:40:36 more slowly
01:40:41 younger I wasn’t ready to hear what his
01:40:44 father was teaching
01:40:46 right he was completely going against it
01:40:49 and his young childhood I I don’t know
01:40:52 when it was when he actually had the you
01:40:54 know the visit of the angel which I
01:40:57 would say is the angel of Yahweh
01:41:00 um in fact when he
01:41:03 when he’s talking about to his sons in
01:41:05 the uh later Alma 30 chapters he talks
01:41:08 about as if I
01:41:10 like Lehi saw God
01:41:14 I mean we can go look at it I don’t
01:41:16 remember the exact imagery but you know
01:41:18 seeing God sitting on his throne type of
01:41:20 stuff
01:41:20 um you’d have to go look at it for the
01:41:22 exact wording but it’s along those lines
01:41:24 uh but yeah that’s what Alma the younger
01:41:26 States right in those Alma 30 chapters
01:41:30 if I remember correctly
01:41:31 um he saw God at that time that was the
01:41:34 angel of Yahweh which is also why I
01:41:36 would say it was an earthquake
01:41:38 but anyways
01:41:41 it was the angel I totally agree with
01:41:44 you by the way but why would you say
01:41:46 because I think it’s I don’t know
01:41:48 exactly but I think it just says that an
01:41:50 angel appeared to him no in uh mosiah it
01:41:53 does say just an angel but it’s because
01:41:54 of all the dot connections
01:41:57 um that are there all the work
01:41:59 connections connect in the dots
01:42:02 right and the various in the various
01:42:05 tellings of the story right right right
01:42:07 and the big thing for me though is I
01:42:10 think since we’re all trying to be one
01:42:12 with God you know the angels and we and
01:42:16 to the extent that an angel is one with
01:42:18 God they can you know you could easily
01:42:20 make that or you know I think you could
01:42:22 make that leap but an angel does not
01:42:25 have power to cause an earthquake
01:42:28 has that power
01:42:30 one okay
01:42:33 um
01:42:36 I don’t have a direct verse for that but
01:42:37 so I do believe that’s implied in a lot
01:42:40 of verses so I I take them with a grain
01:42:43 of salt the only one that has that power
01:42:47 yeah okay right
01:42:49 um
01:42:51 but it’s in a lot of these accounts
01:42:55 um I’m reminded of the account of um
01:42:58 Elijah called out upon the called out
01:43:01 upon the mountain to see the to see the
01:43:04 to see the glory of the Lord and he sees
01:43:07 uh any any experiences A Mighty Wind
01:43:10 that dashes the rocks and pieces and the
01:43:13 Lord is not in the wind and he builds an
01:43:15 earthquake that causes the um you know
01:43:19 the causes the Rocks again melt us into
01:43:21 part of Sunday
01:43:22 the Lord’s not in the earthquake burning
01:43:25 fire the Lord’s not of the fire then
01:43:27 comes after the win the word win word
01:43:32 earthquake
01:43:34 um
01:43:35 but when does Spirit which is the way
01:43:38 after the spirit yeah after the spirit
01:43:40 the Earth the wind spirit earthquake and
01:43:44 fire judgment or testing
01:43:48 then comes the Lord in the still small
01:43:51 voice
01:43:53 yeah
01:43:55 um
01:43:55 and so
01:43:57 Yahweh
01:43:59 okay
01:44:02 he does use these things to get people
01:44:04 to wake up
01:44:07 um but proverbial two by four and I
01:44:10 think one thing that Ben was bringing
01:44:12 out there is insightful is the pattern
01:44:13 that was going on there
01:44:16 it’s after you actually start
01:44:17 recognizing and then it can be small and
01:44:20 get the more deeper things
01:44:22 where
01:44:24 um we are to do nothing but call
01:44:26 repentance to this generation right
01:44:30 now I’ll be honest here I’m going to go
01:44:32 on a little
01:44:35 I forget the word
01:44:39 well yeah it is a tangent but um
01:44:43 little tiff I have I see of a lot of
01:44:46 false prophets right now
01:44:49 um they don’t call repentance they teach
01:44:52 pretended Mysteries
01:44:55 they also they also
01:44:59 bring contention
01:45:02 well yeah in fact I I can use second
01:45:04 e529 to show that false doctrines is
01:45:07 contention but yes
01:45:09 um the thing is Mysteries come after you
01:45:14 keep the law and I can show that from
01:45:16 second Nephi I mean not almond
01:45:19 um I think it’s 12 9 through 11. we
01:45:22 could go double the check on that I
01:45:24 think it’s that one
01:45:26 um the Mysteries come after you keep the
01:45:28 law in fact
01:45:30 um
01:45:32 uh I guess we’ll we’re all Sidetrack on
01:45:35 this one
01:45:41 [Laughter]
01:45:45 we don’t have any autocrats here
01:45:48 well we’re helping each other the
01:45:51 purpose of these fellowships is to help
01:45:53 each other and that means going by
01:45:55 what’s going and being stated oh yeah so
01:45:59 it’s this one right
01:46:00 um
01:46:02 so now I’mma began to expand these
01:46:05 things unto him saying it is given unto
01:46:08 many to know the mysteries of God
01:46:11 nonetheless they are laid upon a strict
01:46:15 command
01:46:16 that they shall not impart only
01:46:18 according to the portion of his words
01:46:19 which
01:46:20 he hath granted unto the children men
01:46:23 according to the Heat and diligence that
01:46:25 they give unto them
01:46:27 that’s completely opposite what I see
01:46:29 with these pretended false prophets in
01:46:32 the world that are they are made under a
01:46:34 strict command that they shall not
01:46:36 impart except only except according to
01:46:40 the portion of his word which he does
01:46:42 Grant unto the Children of Men In
01:46:45 general correct and a lot of these when
01:46:48 I’ve interacted a lot with these false
01:46:50 prophets they’ll they’ll talk they’ll
01:46:53 give out these mysteries in these groups
01:46:55 and they don’t go challenge them like
01:46:57 can you show that from scriptures
01:46:59 no they can’t then their excuse is
01:47:03 showing it from the scriptures is the
01:47:06 Pearl and not the mystery the mystery is
01:47:10 what should not be shared
01:47:12 but they’re sharing the mystery but they
01:47:15 won’t show it but what they won’t share
01:47:17 is where they’re getting it from the
01:47:19 scriptures
01:47:20 they’ve got the complete opposite
01:47:23 right and that’s what the reason and the
01:47:26 reason for this is and the reason that
01:47:28 and the reason that they do this is to
01:47:30 build their own relevance too too yeah I
01:47:32 think I think
01:47:34 what scriptures
01:47:37 oh so when these false prophets are
01:47:40 teaching these pretended Mysteries I’ll
01:47:42 ask them for the scriptures they won’t
01:47:43 give them
01:47:44 they’ll they’ll teach them what I’m
01:47:46 saying is
01:47:48 um all right for instance there was a
01:47:50 false prophet that I was listening to
01:47:52 for a little while
01:47:54 and he had things he was teaching
01:47:57 that weren’t clear in the scriptures
01:48:01 um
01:48:02 but they could be rested from the
01:48:05 scriptures that we have if
01:48:09 if you already knew they were there
01:48:11 however
01:48:13 they were plain and simple in other
01:48:16 books of scripture that we don’t have
01:48:18 and count as scripture
01:48:20 uh yeah so so what I’m saying what
01:48:24 scripture are you talking about the
01:48:26 Torah are you talking about the Torah
01:48:28 and so are you talking about the Torah
01:48:30 and the Bible in the Book of Mormon so
01:48:32 uh there’s a quote from Joseph Smith
01:48:34 about using the Bible the DNC in the
01:48:38 Book of Mormon okay let’s show that
01:48:41 quote
01:48:42 that’s it
01:48:45 oh yeah so the the 1835 is you also have
01:48:48 to bear it that was around you have to
01:48:51 bear in mind when he made that quote
01:48:52 Yeah
01:48:53 he gave that quote I think that quote
01:48:56 was with the 1835 DNC but but let’s
01:48:59 let’s go get the quote
01:49:01 let’s go get the quote because that’s an
01:49:02 important quote right okay and at that
01:49:05 time the Dead Sea Scrolls weren’t
01:49:06 available
01:49:07 sure sure so I I do like the Dead Sea
01:49:10 Scrolls there’s good and bad with them
01:49:12 though so I and the non-commati library
01:49:14 wasn’t available at that time
01:49:17 yeah
01:49:18 um so
01:49:20 and the things hidden in the in the
01:49:23 Vatican weren’t available at that time
01:49:25 oh sure sure
01:49:26 we everything that’s out there we’ve got
01:49:28 to be careful with
01:49:30 um in fact along those lines I would say
01:49:32 these a lot of it could be applied to
01:49:35 the Apocrypha what was stayed in the DNC
01:49:37 from Yahweh about the Apocrypha right I
01:49:41 don’t know when Joseph Smith talked the
01:49:42 Apocrypha was part of the Bible
01:49:45 right but at the same time was something
01:49:49 along the lines it’s
01:49:53 there’s good and bad in it use it read
01:49:55 it with discernment I something along
01:49:58 those lines I don’t remember the exact
01:49:59 statement if someone wants to knows
01:50:01 where that is in the DNC we’ll go look
01:50:03 at it
01:50:05 okay which quote from sure
01:50:08 I’ve read that before
01:50:13 and it’s concerning whether they should
01:50:15 translate the Apocrypha whether they
01:50:18 should re-trip whether they should
01:50:20 re-translate the Apocrypha and the Lord
01:50:23 says no
01:50:26 um
01:50:28 and so let me let me take a quick look
01:50:31 here for you know reverse we can
01:50:34 we’re looking
01:50:37 we’re just ready for that we’ll
01:50:38 Sidetrack on that
01:50:41 we’ll do a quick look for apocrypha
01:50:46 and let’s see is that in the helps I
01:50:49 mean some of the helps in that
01:50:52 Gospel Library are helpful some of them
01:50:54 are not
01:50:56 apocrypha
01:51:09 okay here we are Doctrine Covenant
01:51:11 section 91.
01:51:13 barely doesn’t say the Lord unto you
01:51:16 concerning the Apocrypha oh there we go
01:51:19 there are many things
01:51:20 there you go yeah you go there are many
01:51:23 things contained therein that are true
01:51:26 and it is mostly translated correctly oh
01:51:30 wait a minute that’s pretty much what he
01:51:31 says about the Bible too so anyways
01:51:34 there are there are many things
01:51:36 contained therein that are not true
01:51:40 which are interpolations by the hands of
01:51:43 men
01:51:44 verily I say unto you that it is not
01:51:47 needful that the Apocrypha should be
01:51:49 translated therefore whoso readeth it
01:51:52 let him understand for the spirit
01:51:54 manifesting truth once again the spirit
01:51:57 is the law yeah
01:52:01 in fact the way that you describe so it
01:52:04 is by the law that we can judge these
01:52:07 things as to whether they are true or
01:52:09 not right because
01:52:12 a big thing about discernment is knowing
01:52:14 right and wrong
01:52:16 true and false all right
01:52:18 and how do you know what is right or
01:52:20 wrong unless you know the law
01:52:24 that um well you don’t the answer is you
01:52:26 don’t and if you want more on that
01:52:30 um I I’d spend a bit of time on that and
01:52:33 all things you can do all things you
01:52:34 should do post anyway so let me finish
01:52:37 this up here
01:52:41 for the spirit manifested truth and
01:52:43 whoso is enlightened by the spirit shall
01:52:45 benefit shall obtain benefit there from
01:52:48 and whoso receiveth not by the spirit
01:52:50 cannot be benefited therefore it is not
01:52:52 needful that it should be translated so
01:52:54 the point is is that we take all of
01:52:58 these things yes
01:53:01 re gain truth from everywhere
01:53:05 getting truth from everywhere but
01:53:08 remember the Rock from wince you are
01:53:11 hewn right remember Abraham
01:53:18 remember Moses remember Jesus
01:53:23 those are the remember the Rock from
01:53:26 whence you are hewn and compare and
01:53:29 bring everything back to it so also
01:53:33 along these lines I
01:53:36 like Caiaphas we can learn some truth
01:53:38 from Caiaphas in fact he’s quoted as you
01:53:41 know having a revelation in the New
01:53:43 Testament but
01:53:45 also
01:53:46 he was a Pharisee and taught more air
01:53:49 than truth and in here it says it’s not
01:53:52 needful
01:53:53 as in I would say also another way you
01:53:55 could maybe
01:53:56 or another thing you get from this is
01:53:58 it’s not a high priority
01:54:01 there are things that are more condensed
01:54:03 with truth than it be translated right
01:54:07 yeah
01:54:08 it’s not a high priority right and
01:54:11 there’s things that are that’ll get you
01:54:13 to truth quicker
01:54:15 and I don’t think it doesn’t say that
01:54:17 though it says that it’s not uh not
01:54:20 needful that it should be translated
01:54:22 because he already said it’s mostly
01:54:23 translated correctly
01:54:25 let’s not use our time for that right
01:54:27 yeah yeah but it was still part of the
01:54:29 Bible it was still to be read with the
01:54:32 Bible right it just didn’t translate it
01:54:35 well right right that’s true with the
01:54:36 whole Bible and he did a jst on that I
01:54:40 think that my reason that I think is
01:54:42 this first that is why it was not
01:54:44 needful there are many things contained
01:54:46 there and that are not true
01:54:48 well that’s true of the Bible too right
01:54:50 as it’s translated now but the Bible
01:54:53 was inspired by prophets where the
01:54:56 Apocrypha was not well no I’m sorry the
01:54:59 Apocrypha was part of the Bible at that
01:55:01 time when Joseph Smith said all of this
01:55:04 the Bible the Apocrypha was part of the
01:55:07 Bible it was not taken out until like
01:55:10 1885. but it still was considered the
01:55:12 Apocrypha it wasn’t considered like the
01:55:15 writings and the prophets
01:55:17 and the Torah it was honestly
01:55:21 but who said that the the apocryphal is
01:55:24 the Apocrypha it was a group of men who
01:55:27 made the Apocrypha for the Apocrypha
01:55:29 precisely well
01:55:32 and it was part of the Bible
01:55:35 I mean yeah but on that point DNC 132 is
01:55:39 part of the DNC
01:55:44 it is it is yes
01:55:47 so the point applies if Washington
01:55:50 Joseph Smith’s day right right but so my
01:55:54 point that I’m getting at I I see
01:55:57 the Tanakh which does not include the
01:55:59 Apocrypha
01:56:00 of things written by men not who were
01:56:05 not Prophets
01:56:06 that put in the imagery that goes along
01:56:10 with real inspired scriptures okay okay
01:56:13 so are you telling me that the gospels
01:56:15 were written by the the apostles did
01:56:19 no
01:56:20 um okay the the gospels is an
01:56:22 interesting subject I I do believe in
01:56:25 the gospels okay Matthew Mark Luke and
01:56:28 John but
01:56:30 it’s very debatable on who actually
01:56:33 wrote them in fact even if you look at
01:56:35 some of the headings of it it
01:56:38 kind of somewhat amidst that on some of
01:56:40 them and have you ever read the last
01:56:42 books of the Bible uh I have some of
01:56:45 them and a lot of them are Gnostic to be
01:56:47 honest
01:56:48 um um one of them was written by Clement
01:56:51 who was a was a bishop
01:56:54 and and he said in it the most profound
01:56:57 wording for to to defeat the idea that
01:57:01 abortion is something that should be
01:57:04 accepted by our society he said no
01:57:07 follower of Jesus Christ would kill the
01:57:10 child within them
01:57:12 oh yeah I agree with that I I I and what
01:57:16 I’m saying is with the Catholic fathers
01:57:19 though which she was part of but I I do
01:57:21 agree with that statement
01:57:24 well and that’s that’s the thing I mean
01:57:26 the point is that everything should be
01:57:27 read with discernment if it were part of
01:57:29 the Bible we might not have the problem
01:57:32 with abortion today that we do
01:57:35 a lot his other words would cause
01:57:38 problems though
01:57:40 um and so anyways
01:57:43 um well I don’t know we might if we also
01:57:45 had the if we had those things in the
01:57:47 scriptures
01:57:49 um today if we were using the Apocrypha
01:57:53 um we wouldn’t we would realize that
01:57:57 well maybe we do anyway maybe we know
01:57:59 that mammoths were very much a part of
01:58:01 the same world as men and here’s my
01:58:04 answer to that and something to consider
01:58:06 the the parable of the rich man and
01:58:09 Abraham’s bosom right there’s a uh where
01:58:13 the rich man went to hell
01:58:15 and he sees the poor beggar in heaven
01:58:19 and this rich man is told it’s too late
01:58:23 for you but he wants to go back and tell
01:58:25 his brother and the answer your brother
01:58:28 has the law and the prophets
01:58:31 he has Moses
01:58:33 to help to tell him what is right and
01:58:35 wrong and he ignores that he will not
01:58:37 listen to you
01:58:40 this is It’s the law and the prophets
01:58:42 that do it not other people Clement was
01:58:45 another person so so the point is so the
01:58:48 point is not that you can’t read and not
01:58:51 that you shouldn’t read any of these
01:58:52 other people the point is that it is if
01:58:57 they will not believe these other people
01:59:00 are excellent proofs if you already
01:59:03 believe
01:59:04 correct on on and like Clement he’s a
01:59:07 proof for abortion but he will be a
01:59:10 disproof
01:59:12 or or be contradicted by scriptures on
01:59:14 other things the Catholic Church fathers
01:59:16 they have some good
01:59:18 and a lot of bad okay
01:59:22 um
01:59:22 I don’t think I think Clement was before
01:59:26 well actually but but he wasn’t before
01:59:28 the apostasy yeah
01:59:31 it wasn’t before the apostasy they were
01:59:34 apostatizing before the apostles were
01:59:35 dead yeah well that’s true
01:59:39 they were apostatizing before the
01:59:41 apostles were dead oh uh it looks like
01:59:44 Zachary
01:59:46 so I have a
01:59:48 little squirrel
01:59:50 we don’t allow squirrels
01:59:57 Sue mentioned mammoths
02:00:01 and um
02:00:02 I was thinking of The Ether
02:00:06 um those animals that are mentioned yeah
02:00:09 a few mom’s car alarms or whatever
02:00:11 they’re called like what if those were
02:00:14 Woolly Mammoths yeah uh yeah in fact in
02:00:17 Florida there are
02:00:19 um skeletons that have been found of
02:00:23 I don’t remember exactly if it was
02:00:25 really mammoths or what but an elephant
02:00:29 um type of animal and there’s also
02:00:32 mounds of shape of an elephant also and
02:00:37 I think this part I’m a little vague on
02:00:39 the
02:00:42 oh no I’m forgetting the name but the
02:00:44 the pipes that they had the Effigies
02:00:46 have some of elephants yes the Effigies
02:00:49 the the tobacco pipes have elephants
02:00:52 well they’ve found all kinds of artwork
02:00:55 with Dinosaurs in them
02:00:58 um and not just mammoths but way before
02:01:01 you know what we think of as being way
02:01:03 before certain kinds of artwork and and
02:01:06 the scientists just denied that it’s
02:01:09 there when it’s right there in their
02:01:10 face they found human Footprints in
02:01:13 dinosaur things and they just hide them
02:01:16 they found they found human weapons
02:01:21 with dinosaur
02:01:23 you know like they killed them but
02:01:26 there’s petrified trees that go through
02:01:28 the supposed layers of millions of years
02:01:31 apart when they at places oh yeah
02:01:34 there’s tons of things that just prove
02:01:37 uh mainstream science on so much but
02:01:40 they hide it because they’re a religion
02:01:44 more than a religion
02:01:46 right yeah oh yes they’re one of the
02:01:50 masks behind which the mystery religion
02:01:52 Heights right and it’s
02:01:55 they’re a tool because more and more
02:01:57 people are saying well science is to
02:01:59 help us figure out what is right and
02:02:00 wrong and what we should do right but
02:02:03 science throws away Truth for their
02:02:06 agenda
02:02:08 um yeah
02:02:10 and their agenda is what the elites tell
02:02:12 them and it’s the whole purpose anyways
02:02:14 yeah so I mean so just to carry it back
02:02:17 to where we were before just and let it
02:02:20 and then we can let that kind of and let
02:02:22 people kind of think on just kind of
02:02:25 think on it
02:02:27 just
02:02:28 like with
02:02:31 just like with the restoration
02:02:35 they were apostate before Joseph Smith
02:02:38 was killed yeah so with the early church
02:02:42 they were apostate before the last of
02:02:45 the Apostles died how many of those you
02:02:47 know what those Epistles are all about
02:02:50 they’re all about combating apostasy
02:02:53 yeah
02:02:54 yeah because they’re doing something
02:02:56 wrong instead of what is right and I
02:02:59 mean here’s my point
02:03:02 there’s something important
02:03:04 in those other books that isn’t in the
02:03:07 Bible
02:03:08 how do well I disagree with that because
02:03:11 the the Bible actually does teach
02:03:13 against abortion
02:03:15 the law
02:03:18 teaches against abortion it’s in the law
02:03:21 of Torah yes that’s true but it’s not
02:03:24 plain and simple but but there’s
02:03:26 amendments there are things that are
02:03:28 true that are out there that are not in
02:03:31 the scriptures
02:03:33 well so when we come across an ancient
02:03:35 document
02:03:37 that has something in it that is not
02:03:40 plain it might be in the scripture
02:03:42 somewhere but it’s not plain there
02:03:46 but this is where I would say the DNC 91
02:03:50 says
02:03:52 use it with discernment by the spirit
02:03:54 right
02:03:56 not by the written law but by the spirit
02:04:01 of the Lord
02:04:03 we’re going to disagree about that
02:04:05 because if it actually does contradict
02:04:07 the written word
02:04:09 predicted it I just said if it’s not
02:04:13 plainly written there well right but you
02:04:15 have to test it against the written in
02:04:18 fact this is a big one but there is but
02:04:20 but I can even find it in the written
02:04:34 I’m just saying it can’t contradict the
02:04:37 written so this is where we have to know
02:04:39 no argument against
02:04:42 no argument against the truth no
02:04:45 argument against truth right in fact on
02:04:47 that point it’s because of the Book of
02:04:49 Mormon this is another subject and it’s
02:04:50 an important subject for me so I’m going
02:04:51 to Sidetrack on a little bit
02:04:53 The Book of Mormon is what taught me how
02:04:57 to understand Daniel 9 or at least the
02:04:59 most important part of it
02:05:01 and that Torah in law and Moses are
02:05:03 different and we can Sidetrack on that
02:05:05 but it and then because of the teachings
02:05:10 that it’s on that subject from The Book
02:05:12 of Mormon I could then see it
02:05:15 in the Tanakh especially Daniel 9
02:05:18 because that’s a key one in there and
02:05:19 then I could see it in Paul
02:05:21 but it wasn’t until I saw in the Book of
02:05:23 Mormon that I could see it in those
02:05:25 other writings some what you’re saying
02:05:27 right there that these other writings
02:05:29 helped you understand what you see in
02:05:33 the scriptures it’s kind of what I’m I
02:05:34 think I’m hearing correct Sue
02:05:38 well yeah sort of but I never would have
02:05:41 seen it in the scriptures that’s fine it
02:05:43 would never have occurred to me
02:05:45 that’s fine that’s fine uh we are to
02:05:49 seek in fact here let’s go look at how
02:05:51 more Joseph Smith okay where should I
02:05:53 try again so let’s go read this one a
02:05:55 contrary real quick if any man preaches
02:05:57 you doctrine’s contrary to the Bible
02:05:59 Book of Mormon or the doctrine Covenant
02:06:01 set him down as an imposter
02:06:04 try try them by the principles came
02:06:07 within the acknowledge word of God
02:06:09 bereans
02:06:11 that’s a Berean uh what is that X
02:06:15 yeah
02:06:16 um or I forget the Brienne chapter but
02:06:18 anyways it’s an Acts chapter or is it
02:06:20 it’s not 21 21 something else
02:06:23 anyways we could go find it but that’s
02:06:25 the brilliant principle right there
02:06:27 right if they preach teach or practice
02:06:29 contrary and like preach teach or
02:06:32 practice
02:06:35 contrary to the disfellowship them cut
02:06:39 them off
02:06:42 from among you as useless and dead
02:06:45 dangerous
02:06:46 not just useless dangerous branches
02:06:49 because they will cause you to be this
02:06:52 is also
02:06:53 and this is also a principle this is a
02:06:55 principle that he this is a principle
02:06:58 that we know is from God because it’s
02:07:00 also stated that it is also stated in
02:07:03 Torah yeah most of these everything that
02:07:06 he’s Joseph Smith stayed in here I can
02:07:08 bring up from the scriptures is this Joe
02:07:10 Smith kind of you know put it all
02:07:12 together
02:07:14 so but the but the point is is that you
02:07:17 can look at other books
02:07:19 and sometimes those books will actually
02:07:20 help to inform your understanding of the
02:07:23 word right I I mean if anything I I like
02:07:26 and maybe I’m selfless promoting here
02:07:29 but I I refer people to my blog mainly
02:07:33 to help them understand the scriptures
02:07:35 not because what I’m saying is
02:07:37 scriptures but I do put effort into
02:07:40 expounding the scriptures in my blog
02:07:44 that a lot of people have not considered
02:07:47 various parts
02:07:48 because I my stuff
02:07:51 apocrypha
02:07:53 consider it apocrypha I mean I think
02:07:56 it’s inspired but I I I might think
02:08:00 highly of myself a little bit but
02:08:02 anyways but
02:08:04 um I will say this that Yahweh I do
02:08:07 believe you always give me things to put
02:08:08 in there so but take that with a grain
02:08:11 of salt
02:08:12 look at them if you want if not that’s
02:08:15 fine still compellish it that’s because
02:08:17 the thing here is to come help each
02:08:19 other
02:08:20 and there’s absolutely nothing wrong
02:08:22 with gaining Knowledge from all the best
02:08:23 books
02:08:25 right
02:08:26 um but
02:08:27 with everything
02:08:29 go compare it to the knowledge word of
02:08:32 Elohim especially when it starts
02:08:35 teaching Doctrine yeah
02:08:39 especially when it starts teaching
02:08:40 Doctrine if it’s like cool scientific
02:08:43 facts that you’re picking up that oh
02:08:45 Sciences science and Science and
02:08:47 scripture Collide that’s something else
02:08:49 but Doctrine
02:08:52 especially so I on this point about
02:08:55 checking
02:08:57 when people take
02:09:00 one verse it’s easy to twist okay and so
02:09:04 there’s multiple Parts but I’m going to
02:09:05 just show you an example of one
02:09:09 that’s it’s a I I find it a big deal
02:09:12 maybe it’s probably because the church I
02:09:14 grew up in lied about this
02:09:16 um
02:09:20 like a spell
02:09:23 I’m not known for my spellings
02:09:26 no don’t worry Zach we’ll get to you
02:09:32 maybe I made it a post I always
02:09:37 no
02:09:38 so Chris Craft right most people know
02:09:42 one or two verses from the bush of
02:09:43 Mormon on it
02:09:45 I know a lot
02:09:48 and I put it out there for everybody to
02:09:49 go look at those are all the verses I
02:09:52 know about in The Book of Mormon about
02:09:54 priest craft
02:09:57 now if you take one of these it’ll be
02:10:00 easy to twist it how you want it to be
02:10:04 it’s a whole nother
02:10:07 level to do that for all of these
02:10:12 that would be pretty hard to take every
02:10:14 Bill to come up with a twisted
02:10:17 definition of priest craft and make it
02:10:20 fit all of these if it’s wrong
02:10:24 in addition another way to help prevent
02:10:27 twisting of scriptures
02:10:29 is go read the context surrounding it
02:10:32 and I’ll tell you
02:10:35 a lot of these verses you’ll see this
02:10:38 or my posts you’ll see one little verse
02:10:42 I read the whole chapter before to make
02:10:44 sure the context is correct for me for
02:10:47 my understanding before I’ll put it in
02:10:49 my posts
02:10:51 you should do the same
02:10:53 and part of the reason I did that is
02:10:55 when I was waking up
02:10:57 oh
02:10:58 all these you know bringing my leaders
02:11:00 will
02:11:01 say something and then they’ll put the
02:11:03 little reference to one script one or
02:11:05 two scriptures to support what they just
02:11:07 said I go read those scriptures they
02:11:10 have nothing to do with the actual
02:11:11 subject
02:11:12 and it maybe you said something along
02:11:15 those trust your Prophet or
02:11:18 um God sends Messengers or something
02:11:21 small that has nothing to do with the
02:11:23 subject that they’re saying
02:11:25 go check the verses and check the
02:11:28 context because on a lot of things just
02:11:30 the context of the surrounding verses
02:11:32 will make it so you can’t get twisted
02:11:37 and then also go see what’s being taught
02:11:41 on the same subject
02:11:43 throughout yahweh’s word not just in one
02:11:46 place and part of the reason we need to
02:11:49 do that is to get the different angles
02:11:52 the reason us humans can see depth is
02:11:55 because we have two eyes
02:11:58 to look at it at different angles that’s
02:12:00 why we can see depth
02:12:01 without looking at the multiple
02:12:03 Witnesses in the scriptures you won’t
02:12:06 have depth and you won’t be able to
02:12:08 discern the deception
02:12:10 you need multiple Witnesses in the mouth
02:12:13 of the mouth of two or three Witnesses
02:12:15 yeah and that’s where it is in the law
02:12:18 but a lot of that is because so that way
02:12:21 you can see the depth and really what’s
02:12:23 being stated from the holy prophets
02:12:25 instead of
02:12:27 which makes it harder for it to be
02:12:29 twisted for those who are
02:12:31 um more careful and more brainish
02:12:35 um because I I’ve seen people twist
02:12:38 um priest craft scriptures
02:12:40 but they can’t twist them all they’ll
02:12:44 twist one or two
02:12:45 they can’t do it at all
02:12:47 no well
02:12:49 some of them some of them can twist a
02:12:51 fair number of them though Bill Davis
02:12:53 made a whole presentation out of it uh
02:12:55 right but on one subject or just a whole
02:12:58 bunch of differences I’m priestcraft
02:13:01 just twisting and twisting scripts you
02:13:03 can just means exactly what he wanted
02:13:05 them to mean oh well is that still up
02:13:09 there we could go rip that apart if you
02:13:10 wanted to but
02:13:13 um because there’s there’s also verses
02:13:16 in the New Testament and also the
02:13:20 Traditions during the uh yeshua’s mortal
02:13:22 Ministry is
02:13:24 all someone could do was give them food
02:13:28 and three days of Lodge if they did any
02:13:32 more than that they were priest craft
02:13:37 so does it say that somewhere that
02:13:40 standard no three days that’s culture
02:13:43 um that’s nowhere in the Canon it’s
02:13:46 nowhere scripture that’s that’s an exact
02:13:48 that’s an example of learning and that’s
02:13:50 an example of learning the of learning a
02:13:53 little bit from outside of the scripture
02:13:55 that actually informs your knowledge up
02:13:57 yeah so that would qualify as apocalypse
02:14:00 that’s an example of knowing the culture
02:14:02 and the way that people lived at that
02:14:05 time yeah
02:14:07 um and so I I will say though even if
02:14:10 learning the the culture and traditions
02:14:13 of the time is not scripture they help
02:14:15 you understand the scriptures
02:14:18 because right although this the
02:14:21 scriptures are written so we can
02:14:22 understand things they weren’t written
02:14:24 to us and so to better understand what’s
02:14:27 actually being stated you need to
02:14:30 understand the culture of the people
02:14:33 that it’s being specifically written to
02:14:36 mm-hmm
02:14:38 right because we’re learning from it but
02:14:42 if we look at it with Hellenistic eyes
02:14:44 instead of Hebrew eyes
02:14:47 we’ll get a whole different picture it’s
02:14:49 actually there
02:14:51 um
02:14:53 we have used to have a friend who was
02:14:55 working on his Doctorate in Hebrew while
02:14:58 he was teaching Sunday School
02:15:01 and
02:15:03 he was also studying the culture and so
02:15:07 forth so that he could tell us things
02:15:08 and he taught us about Christ’s wedding
02:15:11 that you know that showed us exactly why
02:15:13 that wedding in Capernaum was was
02:15:16 Jesus’s wedding
02:15:18 and um
02:15:20 and he went through a lot of of
02:15:24 really I mean really opening of the
02:15:27 scriptures in ways that
02:15:30 somebody what not working on their
02:15:32 Doctrine in Hebrew wouldn’t have known
02:15:34 you know well he also got released
02:15:37 because he taught us too much well I
02:15:40 actually don’t believe that jeshire was
02:15:42 actual wedding I know some people that
02:15:45 do believe that but I do disagree with
02:15:47 many of their reasons for that but
02:15:50 that’s neither here or there but the
02:15:52 main thing is the more we know about the
02:15:54 culture uh the the player will
02:15:57 understand it but at the same time
02:16:00 we can twist it too and we may be able
02:16:03 to twist it better than what the average
02:16:06 Joe would be able to defend against
02:16:08 um but
02:16:10 so why don’t you believe it was his
02:16:13 wedding
02:16:13 uh we’d have to go look at it it’s been
02:16:15 a little while
02:16:16 um we can Sidetrack on that if you want
02:16:19 um
02:16:20 but well it’s actually getting kind it’s
02:16:23 it’s later here than it why not
02:16:27 I’m sure
02:16:31 well it’s it’s heading towards midnight
02:16:34 here where I’m at so if it’s too late
02:16:36 for you where are you on the East Coast
02:16:38 I am on the East Coast yes where are you
02:16:41 from I’m in Missouri
02:16:44 oh you’re in Missouri so you’re Central
02:16:46 then yeah
02:16:48 yeah she’s in the same time zone as me
02:16:50 oh very nice well if it’s getting too
02:16:52 late for you I understand you’re needing
02:16:54 to leave
02:16:55 um so yeah Paul went to bed about that
02:16:58 might be uh but that might be something
02:17:00 you know we could talk about on another
02:17:03 meeting next time
02:17:10 this has been very informative
02:17:13 I’m
02:17:17 everybody
02:17:25 one thing that I
02:17:28 showed me oh Phil was not who he claimed
02:17:33 to be I mean there’s many okay but
02:17:36 here’s one
02:17:39 is it this one
02:17:43 so Moroni so his
02:17:46 his story I’m using that word on purpose
02:17:48 I said story not history story about his
02:17:52 how the Angels Came to him and taught
02:17:55 him before he was ready contradicts
02:17:58 Moroni seven and how
02:18:02 um where for the minister by the
02:18:04 ministering of angels and every word
02:18:05 which procedes forth out of the mouth of
02:18:08 God been doing oh no that’s not that
02:18:10 verse there’s one in hell here
02:18:15 this one
02:18:19 um he admits that he was not ready for
02:18:22 it but in one of these verses I’ll find
02:18:25 it it says they only appear to man with
02:18:28 a sound line he admits that he had not
02:18:31 had a sound mind and ready for it so let
02:18:33 me I think it’s sound mind
02:18:37 no
02:18:38 it’s not sound
02:18:41 word command showing them onto the
02:18:43 strong faith and for oh firm mind not
02:18:46 strong mind so I was close anyways so
02:18:48 Moroni 7 30. for behold they the angels
02:18:52 are subject unto him Yeshua to minister
02:18:55 according to the word of his command
02:18:58 showing themselves unto them of strong
02:19:01 faith and firm mind and every form of
02:19:04 godliness
02:19:05 and the office of their Ministry is to
02:19:08 call men unto repentance and to fill and
02:19:11 to do the work of the covenants of the
02:19:13 Father which he hath made unto the
02:19:15 children of men prepare them the way
02:19:16 among the children Men by declaring the
02:19:18 word of Yeshua the Messiah unto the
02:19:22 chosen vessels of Yahweh that they may
02:19:24 bear testimony of him but anyways his
02:19:28 story about how he first had Angels come
02:19:31 to him
02:19:33 contradicts strong faith and firm mind
02:19:36 in every form of godliness in fact one
02:19:38 of his recent break-offs definitely
02:19:40 contradicts every form of godliness I
02:19:43 think most people will probably know
02:19:45 that it is so I don’t need to State It
02:19:46 Anyways
02:19:49 um so but
02:19:51 his story emits or claims that Angels
02:19:55 were coming to him before he had strong
02:19:57 faith and firm mind
02:19:59 um
02:20:02 so contradicting The Book of Mormon
02:20:07 um so I’ll I’m just kind of pausing him
02:20:09 okay
02:20:12 all right so
02:20:14 um
02:20:16 we kind of did our fellowship at the
02:20:18 wrong time it’s in the middle but that’s
02:20:21 fine the suit just kind of wanted to
02:20:22 start getting into stuff which is fine
02:20:25 um but before we because it is getting a
02:20:27 little late I do want to do a little
02:20:29 powwow on our Lord of the Rings stuff as
02:20:31 we keep kind of working on that some
02:20:35 um I have two things I’d like to share
02:20:37 on that but I don’t know if anybody else
02:20:38 wants to share some on some of that also
02:20:41 and if they you know I can go first so
02:20:45 on
02:20:47 the theory the ring being the law
02:20:51 yes um here’s one thing that I thought
02:20:54 of that would help support that okay
02:20:57 so when
02:21:00 Frodo puts on the ring
02:21:04 the angels
02:21:07 couldn’t go after him right I mean it’s
02:21:11 interesting how they present it
02:21:13 just like in the Book of Revelations
02:21:16 those who are keeping the law the angels
02:21:20 Don’t destroy
02:21:22 yeah
02:21:23 right
02:21:24 yeah
02:21:26 and so I can see that
02:21:29 completely connecting with
02:21:32 the ring being the wall right because
02:21:35 putting it on is like when you’re you’re
02:21:37 doing it and keeping it and then now
02:21:41 the the destroying angels
02:21:44 leave you alone
02:21:46 are you talking about the Revelation
02:21:48 from
02:21:50 weather top
02:21:51 uh I don’t remember which episode it’s
02:21:54 in because I haven’t gone and reviewed
02:21:56 it yet I’ve had the time yet because I’m
02:21:58 my most of my time free time I’m trying
02:22:01 to work on the Jake Hilton post
02:22:04 um but I do think about it as I’m not at
02:22:07 my computer what happened what happens
02:22:09 when he puts on the ring is that it
02:22:12 draws the angels
02:22:18 sorry go ahead right but they they can’t
02:22:20 destroy him though because they’re
02:22:24 uh I thought they could but they could
02:22:27 easily but they can easily take him to
02:22:31 their master
02:22:33 so maybe I’m remembering the
02:22:36 um scenes a little bit but I I kind of
02:22:39 remember
02:22:40 and he will and and he and the uh Lord
02:22:43 of the Nazareth is able to
02:22:46 stick a mortal blade in his shoulder
02:22:49 even while he has the ring on
02:22:52 Church yeah and the sword is the word of
02:22:54 Yahweh and it went into his heart right
02:22:57 yep yep uh and that’s where the word
02:23:00 used to be written upon right right
02:23:03 yeah but it’s a point they portray it as
02:23:06 a pleaser yes of course they’re they’re
02:23:10 doing agnostic they’re making good with
02:23:13 evil yeah and gnostics make good look
02:23:16 evil yeah I’m just saying um well it’s
02:23:20 good to bring out right in case others
02:23:22 are not on the same page of why we’re
02:23:24 saying this but yeah so
02:23:28 that’s one thing I thought of another
02:23:30 one is with the dwarfs okay
02:23:34 so
02:23:36 um
02:23:37 the dwarfs live in the in the cave right
02:23:41 the mirror yes right and and that’s
02:23:45 somehow of a double uh
02:23:47 imagery on that because some of the
02:23:49 prophets do that at times but in general
02:23:52 it’s used for those who are wicked
02:23:56 especially deep caves and it was a deep
02:24:00 cave
02:24:02 right
02:24:03 uh also and to get into that cave
02:24:07 they had to open a door with a password
02:24:12 in that door
02:24:14 actually to go along with those the
02:24:17 password and signs
02:24:20 uh has Jacqueline and Boaz on it the two
02:24:25 pillars
02:24:26 that goes along with masonry
02:24:29 yep I think some of it even has the arch
02:24:32 on it like
02:24:35 a particular Church
02:24:39 yes indeed
02:24:42 anyways
02:24:44 so
02:24:48 um and they have passwords to go through
02:24:52 a door
02:24:55 um and so I see that also and that door
02:24:59 actually leads to
02:25:02 uh dragon deep within right oh yes
02:25:09 the creature of morgoth yeah so
02:25:14 um
02:25:15 those are the two things that I thought
02:25:17 of recently that I think it really kind
02:25:20 of brings out some of the Gnostic stuff
02:25:21 and
02:25:23 yeah definitely definitely yeah yeah
02:25:26 those are actually those are actually
02:25:28 pretty good finds especially when you
02:25:30 consider how the women consider how the
02:25:34 Niles will actually interact with the
02:25:36 ring how the ring right oh and then one
02:25:39 thing before I forget again
02:25:41 the the the Dwarfs
02:25:43 so dwarves are small men who have no
02:25:48 power and the reason they have no power
02:25:50 or real power
02:25:52 is because they break the law
02:25:55 all they have are their words which is
02:25:57 like the demons
02:25:59 um and so even just it’s the dwarfs that
02:26:02 are going there shows that also and
02:26:05 if you go watch my uh Snow White
02:26:08 commentary the seven
02:26:11 the Seven Dwarves are the Seven Kingdoms
02:26:16 that used to have ten
02:26:20 hello hi hello
02:26:24 yes yes Mr Stephen is it race
02:26:27 I’m gonna yeah actually pause the record
02:26:30 for just a minute
02:26:35 um so do you want to share some of those
02:26:37 thoughts that you had because I think
02:26:38 some of them were were good I’m trying
02:26:41 to be looking patients because I’m on my
02:26:46 brother’s phone and I’m trying to figure
02:26:48 this I don’t know if you’ve had any
02:26:50 thoughts on it uh the last little bit
02:26:52 Zach while he’s looking for his you have
02:26:54 messenger okay go over yep I’ve been
02:26:58 wondering what
02:26:59 Smeagol
02:27:00 slash column represents like he’s you
02:27:04 said the Rings represents Torah
02:27:07 that’s right
02:27:09 that’s our current theory but I I’m
02:27:12 thinking it’s panning out to to be the
02:27:14 case
02:27:24 yes you know also he helps bring
02:27:30 Frodo and Sam to the Rings Master too so
02:27:34 I just wondering out loud I wonder if
02:27:37 he’s
02:27:38 possibly could represent a true prophet
02:27:42 he is the embodiment of everything that
02:27:48 they hate that the gnostics hate
02:27:52 which a true Prophet could represent
02:27:54 that and probably even more so the Sun
02:27:58 um so my so the first thing I did was I
02:28:02 uh basically uh according to Satanist
02:28:06 and luciferian Doctrine Sauron has to be
02:28:09 God the enslaver of all mankind the ring
02:28:11 being the law
02:28:12 those are the first things that I
02:28:14 brought forward
02:28:16 right and uh with the All-Seeing Eye God
02:28:20 sees everything and the wicked does
02:28:23 think it’s enslavement when it’s
02:28:25 actually
02:28:26 um it really is he’s trying to free us
02:28:28 right
02:28:30 right
02:28:31 so Aragorn is here freeze all mankind
02:28:34 Lucifer the bringer of light
02:28:36 which is Satan
02:28:40 I mean it’s even that word right but
02:28:43 anyways you know one thing that’s
02:28:46 interesting if I remember right
02:28:48 um the race of men had nine Rings right
02:28:51 yes the race that men had nine rings so
02:28:55 to go along with uh Aragon being Satan
02:28:57 nine is a num is Satan has two numbers
02:29:01 six and nine
02:29:03 in fact the number nine in Hebrew guess
02:29:07 what it is
02:29:09 it’s a snake
02:29:12 nine is a snake
02:29:15 how they drew it
02:29:17 which who’s the snake from the garden
02:29:20 anyways
02:29:23 which is interesting that uh that race
02:29:25 has nine but anyways
02:29:28 so and then the this is what’s written
02:29:31 on the ring which actually pretty much
02:29:34 it’s actually pretty much for me seals
02:29:37 appeal as to the nature of it is to what
02:29:40 they’re using it to representative
02:29:42 so there’s one ring to roll the ball one
02:29:44 ring to find the one ring to bring the
02:29:46 ball and in the darkness find them uh
02:29:49 they see the satanists see Torah or the
02:29:54 law
02:29:55 as an enslaving as an enslaving power
02:30:00 um and so they wonder and so that’s and
02:30:03 so they rep and so when one is a
02:30:06 Satanist they represent the law as an
02:30:09 enslaver when the law is actually with
02:30:11 breezes but still that’s what they
02:30:13 represented as and so it’s really clear
02:30:16 from what’s written on the ring
02:30:19 and then also bring out your point of
02:30:23 when the writing becomes
02:30:26 oh yes writing only writing only shows
02:30:29 up and the writing only shows up when it
02:30:31 passed when the ring passes through
02:30:33 flame through the fire which represents
02:30:37 well
02:30:39 but also I would even say more baptism
02:30:43 of Fire baptism fire yep yep that’s when
02:30:46 they could see it gone through the fire
02:30:50 um because or it could just be any test
02:30:53 because at the end the test
02:30:55 you’ll know what the law is it’ll just
02:30:58 be late right because fire is testing
02:31:00 but it’s also uh can represent he’s also
02:31:04 judging judgment and and if you’re now
02:31:07 understanding what the word is now you
02:31:10 can see it right uh you’ve had your
02:31:13 baptism of fire because you’re now
02:31:14 starting to see it and some things that
02:31:17 I some things that I noted about Bilbo
02:31:20 and Frodo and their relationship to the
02:31:22 ring Bilbo loves the ring but then
02:31:24 doesn’t understand it completely and
02:31:26 uses it lightly
02:31:28 um Frodo tosses it in the trunk and
02:31:31 never uses it until he’s setting up to
02:31:32 destroy it
02:31:34 yeah those yeah that is exactly right
02:31:38 which
02:31:39 [Music]
02:31:39 um
02:31:46 which is so which goes along with what
02:31:49 it is right
02:31:51 which groups of people are like that
02:31:55 the Jews claim to love the law well they
02:31:59 take it lightly
02:32:01 I don’t necessarily
02:32:04 and which goes along with an interview
02:32:07 that I found that
02:32:09 um and Christianity
02:32:11 largely just keeps the law in a trunk
02:32:14 yeah well but
02:32:16 uh Tolkien in an interview states that
02:32:19 you kind of half passingly States it
02:32:23 that the hobbits represent the Jews
02:32:26 yeah
02:32:28 um so with what you’re bringing out with
02:32:32 those two it really makes sense right
02:32:34 and then
02:32:36 was it you or Matt that said something
02:32:38 about Sam
02:32:42 I mean that might have been Matt for me
02:32:45 for me what I
02:32:48 uh
02:32:51 some some other things I pulled out that
02:32:53 first night as I was watching through it
02:32:55 again Frodo is drunk on the night he
02:32:57 receives the knowledge of the nature of
02:32:58 the Ring
02:32:59 markings on the ring are only exposed by
02:33:02 fire fire stands for judgment testing
02:33:06 represents wickedness right
02:33:10 yep drunk drunkenness is wickedness yeah
02:33:13 only in the fires of Mount Doom can the
02:33:16 ring be destroyed
02:33:19 now
02:33:20 which if that’s hell outer Darkness
02:33:25 that’s the only place that’s not going
02:33:27 to have the law
02:33:31 they understand it better they
02:33:33 understand the scriptures better than
02:33:34 anybody well I don’t know about anybody
02:33:37 but at least most Believers right
02:33:40 this is the problem with most Believers
02:33:43 is that they are ignorant of the
02:33:44 symbology they’re ignorant of the
02:33:46 symbology of the that is in their word
02:33:48 yeah and uh therefore therefore they
02:33:52 cannot exercise the word and Power
02:33:56 yeah and I recently since we’ve decided
02:33:59 to work on this little side project
02:34:01 together I’ve seen people trying to
02:34:04 claim that Lord of the Rings should be
02:34:06 scripture and I’m like what
02:34:10 um about that uh smoking would be proud
02:34:16 yeah
02:34:18 um
02:34:20 yeah I said I vote no
02:34:25 that so do I yeah
02:34:28 I vote no
02:34:31 if the church does do that I definitely
02:34:33 won’t be part of it
02:34:35 because that well that’s a given Stephen
02:34:42 wow
02:34:45 anyways I have a
02:34:47 I I I also sorry go ahead so oh
02:34:51 um I’ve also been wondering about the
02:34:53 Alps like
02:34:56 well two two of Their Kingdoms live in a
02:34:59 forest and the other one is in a city
02:35:03 that’s close by a waterfall so I I
02:35:07 haven’t thought about the elves yet but
02:35:08 I do know in general
02:35:10 Pagan’s holy places are forests
02:35:16 um forests and near forests and running
02:35:20 water
02:35:21 yeah
02:35:23 um but I I haven’t thought about them
02:35:26 yet at all
02:35:28 um but I do remember the elves at least
02:35:32 some of the elves went on
02:35:35 uh that’s actually like the boat to go
02:35:38 down to the deep sea and I think that
02:35:42 gives a hint that they’re definitely not
02:35:44 good because deep sea is symbolic of the
02:35:48 sea monster because that’s where it
02:35:49 comes out well the thing is is that they
02:35:51 they
02:35:53 the thing is is at the end all people
02:35:55 who have knowledge of who even had
02:35:57 knowledge of the Ring
02:35:59 pass on Beyond the Sea never to return
02:36:06 uh yeah
02:36:08 um
02:36:10 that’s I I still think though that the
02:36:13 elves are ultimately evil that’s what so
02:36:17 and that’s what begins the Dominion and
02:36:20 that’s what begins the Dominion of man
02:36:22 the full-on Dominion it’s when even
02:36:25 paganism is gone
02:36:27 and it’s just straight
02:36:29 yeah
02:36:31 yeah that’s a good point
02:36:34 there’s no more secrets
02:36:36 no more secrets yeah yeah it’ll be more
02:36:39 out in the open
02:36:41 of course that that’s their plan and
02:36:45 that’s just that’s and God is greater
02:36:49 oh yeah they’re not gonna win
02:36:52 um they’re not going to win but they but
02:36:54 the thing is is through watching that
02:36:56 movie you can see their plan being
02:36:58 tailed out to the nth degree
02:37:00 right
02:37:02 um and I think
02:37:04 first we need to figure out the the
02:37:06 basic
02:37:08 um overall what the pieces are and then
02:37:11 so that way then we can bring out the
02:37:13 rest of it right because until we know
02:37:14 what the general pieces are it’ll be
02:37:16 hard to bring out the overall plan
02:37:18 yeah so we it’s it’s one big jigs uh
02:37:22 jigsaw puzzle right
02:37:24 indeed it is indeed it is but yeah so
02:37:28 those are the things that we brought out
02:37:30 on a first viewing of the first part
02:37:34 of the first movie yeah right
02:37:39 um
02:37:41 okay well that’s probably good unless
02:37:43 anybody has anything else to add on that
02:37:45 and so oh there is one thing else to go
02:37:48 uh one group of wood elves as they go to
02:37:52 the Sea the song that they sing
02:37:57 is very oh lamenting it’s it’s got the
02:38:01 character of a lamentation
02:38:04 hmm
02:38:07 I’ll keep that in mind when I watch it
02:38:08 again but that that lamentation is
02:38:10 definitely not
02:38:11 um a positive thing that’s for sure
02:38:13 right no it’s not
02:38:16 so let’s get on to uh
02:38:19 right so let’s go
02:38:21 let’s get on to the calendar
02:38:24 uh there’s there’s one more thing okay
02:38:26 one more thing one more thing I mean the
02:38:29 coast
02:38:31 like have you guys thought of them but
02:38:33 the kingdoms of Gondor and Rohan could
02:38:38 be I have it myself I don’t know I’m
02:38:41 still working I’m still working on that
02:38:43 Zach okay
02:38:44 it’s all right yeah well
02:38:48 actually if you think about it they are
02:38:51 the arm uh they are the arms of the
02:38:56 it’s currently what I can think of is
02:38:59 that they are the arms of the devil hey
02:39:02 guys who is the person who musters them
02:39:07 or against them to muster the devil so
02:39:11 he is they are literally embodiment of
02:39:14 the embodiment of the Servants of the
02:39:17 devil
02:39:22 well I think that’s a little prude I
02:39:24 think we can refine that well I’m sure
02:39:27 I’m sure but uh well I think all this
02:39:30 speculation right now is a little crude
02:39:32 but I think as we do more and think and
02:39:34 then
02:39:35 think about it more later it’ll get more
02:39:38 refined right right
02:39:42 I mean that’s even how it works with
02:39:43 scriptures that’s why we’re supposed to
02:39:45 keep going over them over and over and
02:39:47 over again right so
02:39:49 it’s a exact Lifeline process there I
02:39:53 don’t want to spend my whole life doing
02:39:54 Lord of the Rings but uh
02:39:57 no I’m yeah anyways but it’s it this is
02:40:01 gonna it’s kind of a
02:40:03 fun long project for us right
02:40:07 but hopefully also hope maybe some
02:40:09 people wake up too because I think even
02:40:11 some of the things that we bring out
02:40:13 here will hopefully get some people to
02:40:14 think about it a little more and not
02:40:16 consider it scripture anymore
02:40:19 oh my word holy mackerel hi ever it’s
02:40:22 crazy if I ever hear it quoted in
02:40:24 another sacrament meeting talk again I’m
02:40:25 going to start punching people
02:40:28 have you heard it quoted in a Sacrament
02:40:31 Puck yeah I did once uh I’ve heard it
02:40:35 quoted many times yeah what do they say
02:40:38 they’re uh they’re just quoting the more
02:40:40 inspirational lines not realizing
02:40:42 [Music]
02:40:44 yeah
02:40:45 description of Heaven
02:40:49 okay and those little speech yeah uh
02:40:52 Pippin before and Gandalf’s speech to
02:40:54 Proto those kinds of things
02:40:58 that’s crazy
02:41:00 you think in a Sacrament talk they would
02:41:03 quote scripture over a movie no
02:41:07 okay so yeah
02:41:10 sorry
02:41:17 yeah kasanga has been very very patient
02:41:20 he’s been patient with us so we’re going
02:41:22 to give time to Cassandra all right I’m
02:41:24 I’m sure I’m butchering your name I’m
02:41:26 sorry but the times yours and we can
02:41:28 focus on your questions on the calendar
02:41:30 or anything else you want to do
02:41:32 so
02:41:33 um you need to at least unmute it’s up
02:41:35 to you if you want to do your
02:41:38 um
02:41:42 oh okay
02:41:44 um do you want to talk or should I just
02:41:45 go off of what you you just typed
02:42:01 you know uh this I I really need to just
02:42:05 learn more because
02:42:06 it’s actually making a lot of uh you
02:42:09 know it’s it’s making a lot of sense and
02:42:12 like because I’ve been studying a lot
02:42:14 about uh
02:42:16 a Bible cosmology and now I just came
02:42:20 across this information about the Luna
02:42:23 Sabbath and so I’ve been trying to look
02:42:26 around and that’s how come I joined uh
02:42:29 your group on Facebook
02:42:31 lunar Sabbath yeah sure so please I just
02:42:35 I don’t know if you have any materials
02:42:38 like something
02:42:40 all I could keep you busy for a long
02:42:42 time so I’ll and I don’t even have
02:42:45 everything that I have up there but here
02:42:47 let me at least first of all
02:42:49 let me find my window I’m using right
02:42:53 now okay so hold on let me share my
02:42:56 screen
02:42:58 so let’s move this Zoom
02:43:02 it was weird sometimes
02:43:05 so oh no
02:43:10 so this is kind of my root page that I
02:43:13 recently made on the subject
02:43:15 that will lead you into a lot of others
02:43:19 um
02:43:20 including giving you a link to my if you
02:43:23 have an Android here’s my app for it
02:43:25 okay
02:43:25 but
02:43:27 um this is kind of my my root page to
02:43:30 get you at least started there’s a lot
02:43:32 more than I have up here because it
02:43:34 takes time to put everything up
02:43:36 but this will definitely help you get
02:43:38 started especially this right here okay
02:43:42 uh this playlist right here
02:43:45 in fact if anything just listen to it
02:43:47 while you’re doing other things you’ll
02:43:48 get I don’t agree with every single
02:43:51 point in these videos
02:43:53 but okay
02:43:55 um there’s a lot of good if I put it in
02:43:57 the list there’s a lot of good stuff in
02:43:59 it and in fact
02:44:03 some that you may just want to start
02:44:05 with because actually I’ll show you the
02:44:08 what really did it for me I’ll show you
02:44:11 the videos
02:44:12 um
02:44:13 one two three the well
02:44:17 it’s actually one two three it’s these
02:44:20 ones that really or is it that one I get
02:44:23 oh no it’s that one and this one so
02:44:26 videos one two and four are the ones
02:44:30 that converted me to it okay
02:44:32 so one and okay two if I remember
02:44:36 correctly deal with scriptures and
02:44:39 specifically scriptures during the first
02:44:42 three moons of The Exodus okay and the
02:44:46 reason why that is important is because
02:44:49 he brings out scriptures that shows that
02:44:52 the Sabbath was always on the 8th 15th
02:44:55 22nd and 29th of the moon now
02:44:59 uh the focus is on the 15th of the Moon
02:45:04 because
02:45:05 um when
02:45:07 they left Egypt right the 15th that was
02:45:11 the Sabbath
02:45:12 right in the evening but anyways that
02:45:14 was the 15th that’s the Sabbath which
02:45:17 then says the eighth and the 22nd and
02:45:20 Ninth was a Sabbath
02:45:23 um the other event is with
02:45:26 the quail and Mana right
02:45:30 um okay the quail was the eighth if I
02:45:34 remember right or it was the 15th this
02:45:37 is where I’m a little vague but we can
02:45:39 go into the details to find out for sure
02:45:41 the quail was given on the 8th or the
02:45:45 15th
02:45:47 and they could only and they got it in
02:45:49 the evening okay and this gets into the
02:45:52 Sabbath only being the evening and not
02:45:54 the whole
02:45:55 24-hour cycle is this hellenists think
02:45:59 of it yeah
02:46:00 um okay but and then seven days later
02:46:04 was either the 15th and 22nd and that’s
02:46:07 when they couldn’t collect Mana
02:46:10 showing
02:46:12 that 8 15 22 22nd and 29th
02:46:17 um
02:46:18 is the Sabbath and so that’s one Moon
02:46:22 two moon and ah
02:46:26 oh
02:46:28 Ben do you remember the third event that
02:46:30 shows
02:46:31 that uh oh it was I think it was a
02:46:36 speech by Moses actually
02:46:39 and that was done
02:46:41 on the 15th um
02:46:44 which then yeah was the other thing it
02:46:46 was a speech it was a speech
02:46:49 um
02:46:50 but I don’t remember the subject right
02:46:52 now
02:46:53 yeah I don’t remember yeah but it’s it’s
02:46:56 in the video uh it’s I it might be
02:47:00 more in the second
02:47:03 so yeah
02:47:04 is history and showing it from history
02:47:08 no okay and then this one right here is
02:47:11 talking about the third type of day new
02:47:14 moon day
02:47:16 um okay okay
02:47:17 and
02:47:19 so the scriptures
02:47:21 shows three types of days in this in the
02:47:24 scriptures the work day that everybody
02:47:26 knows about right sure and probably have
02:47:30 a love-hate relationship with it right
02:47:31 yes work
02:47:34 um and then the weekly Sabbath
02:47:36 uh there’s a lot of debate of when this
02:47:38 weekly Sabbath is right but they all
02:47:41 aware of those two types of days
02:47:43 the third type of day
02:47:45 that
02:47:48 uh some Hebrew rooters kind of know
02:47:51 about and they’ll do little fire sides
02:47:52 on but they don’t really take it to the
02:47:54 full extent that scriptures do
02:47:57 and a Seventh-Day Adventists will
02:48:00 actually completely ignore it
02:48:02 uh and I’ve had a lot do that so
02:48:06 um his new moon day
02:48:08 and yeah yeah and this is
02:48:13 a little easier to get into so I’m gonna
02:48:17 let’s go look at some scriptures on this
02:48:22 um
02:48:24 new moon so
02:48:26 hey
02:48:28 you know Seventh-Day advents just I
02:48:31 since you told me that’s what your
02:48:32 background is
02:48:34 love to use Isaiah 66 right
02:48:38 kids
02:48:40 bill
02:48:42 [Music]
02:48:45 yeah actually just just maybe just a
02:48:47 moment sorry for sure go ahead yeah I I
02:48:51 I I I’ve seen the uh I think that
02:48:54 YouTube channel and that that website
02:48:57 that you shared and uh I know you know
02:49:00 I’ve this message to me is actually real
02:49:03 and this is what because I’ve always
02:49:05 been looking for something like I’ve had
02:49:08 this because throughout my journey I
02:49:11 started that as uh someone was going to
02:49:14 to the Catholic Church uh from there I
02:49:18 discovered the truths you know some
02:49:20 truths about the Sabbath and then I
02:49:23 still continued and uh it’s it was not
02:49:27 like making sense looking at after a
02:49:31 studying the issue of calendars now like
02:49:34 it’s it’s now because I did not know uh
02:49:37 anything about the lunar lonely solar
02:49:39 calendar or anything so I was like
02:49:42 uh the just a few days ago that’s when I
02:49:46 came across some you know materials
02:49:48 about that and I became interested in
02:49:51 the whole thing and for me it’s like
02:49:54 this is this is the thing I’ve I’ve
02:49:56 always been looking at and looking
02:49:57 looking like for because I’ve seen to
02:50:00 say this world actually
02:50:03 you know we live in a in a soup of Lies
02:50:06 deceptions the systems that are there
02:50:09 are actually like it’s evil just like
02:50:12 the Bible puts it when the Bible says uh
02:50:15 you know and he deceiveth the whole
02:50:17 world yeah
02:50:19 you’re probably like this verse
02:50:23 um
02:50:24 I think it’s this one
02:50:26 okay
02:50:31 okay so Jeremiah 16 19. oh Yahweh my
02:50:36 strength and my Fortress and my refuge
02:50:38 in the day of Affliction the Gentiles
02:50:42 pretty much the whole world right now
02:50:43 right shall come unto you from the ends
02:50:46 of the Earth and shall say surely our
02:50:49 fathers have inherited lies vanity and
02:50:55 things we’re in there is no prophet
02:50:59 that’s pretty much what you were just
02:51:00 describing right sure that’s true you’re
02:51:04 right yeah
02:51:06 Okay so
02:51:08 otherwise thank you so much I just need
02:51:11 that that link you can share it for the
02:51:14 YouTube channel
02:51:15 um yeah
02:51:18 okay so here’s the the I will call the
02:51:22 root link for lack of a better word but
02:51:25 this is the one that I am putting all
02:51:29 the links to the calendar on and then
02:51:34 I
02:51:36 uh sorry
02:51:38 is this Zoom sometimes acts funny so
02:51:41 yeah I understand
02:51:44 the link to the YouTube playlist that I
02:51:48 made
02:51:48 um
02:51:50 as you’ll see it’ll keep you oh wait I’m
02:51:53 sharing the wrong screen now sorry
02:51:57 um
02:52:00 it’ll
02:52:03 it’ll keep you busy
02:52:06 um
02:52:08 for quite a while but this is where you
02:52:10 can just listen to it while you’re doing
02:52:12 other things
02:52:14 um but they’re they’re all good I’ve
02:52:16 been collecting this over a period of
02:52:18 time
02:52:19 um some of at the end are actually of me
02:52:22 it’s like that one’s me that one’s me
02:52:25 and this one’s me this one’s been a
02:52:28 presentation Ben did
02:52:30 um
02:52:32 and then here’s some others right but
02:52:34 anyways most of these are from other
02:52:36 people who have helped me learn about
02:52:38 the lunar Sabbath uh and I I’ve
02:52:42 I differ on various points here and
02:52:45 there but until you actually start
02:52:46 getting to it some of those differences
02:52:48 may not make sense yet but I’m happy to
02:52:51 when you’re ready and more educated to
02:52:53 go into those details I I mean I could
02:52:55 even do it now but it may tell you know
02:52:58 a little more it might not need so much
02:53:00 right sure
02:53:03 um but on your SDA background I do at
02:53:06 least want to look at this verse
02:53:08 um and I’m happy to do more
02:53:11 um
02:53:13 but here’s one that a lot of people sdas
02:53:16 love to use right Isaiah 66 23.
02:53:20 and it shall come to pass that from one
02:53:23 new moon to another and from one Sabbath
02:53:26 this is the part they love to focus on
02:53:27 from another shall one plus come to
02:53:29 worship before me saith Yahweh
02:53:33 they love that part right probably heard
02:53:36 it in your identity
02:53:39 here’s the part they hate
02:53:42 okay yeah
02:53:47 yeah so yeah I you’re right I because
02:53:50 that’s what it is I’m gonna put data but
02:53:52 from one new moon day from one to seven
02:53:55 to another
02:53:56 they shall come and worship
02:53:59 so new moon day and Isaiah 66 is the Rev
02:54:03 in Isaiah 66 is describing conditions
02:54:07 during the during the Millennium reign
02:54:10 of our Lord Jesus Christ
02:54:12 yeah oh yeah
02:54:14 and
02:54:16 um well thank you so much I I just have
02:54:19 something that I I have to attend to but
02:54:22 how okay actually I’m I’m part of the
02:54:25 group on Facebook so I’ll be joining you
02:54:27 please kindly keep on sending those
02:54:30 links so that I am willing to learn more
02:54:33 for sure what I’ve been looking for I I
02:54:37 personally and I’m praying that God
02:54:39 actually guides me and you also people I
02:54:43 I just love this what you’re doing
02:54:45 please uh yeah I appreciate for the help
02:54:50 and everything I already get back to you
02:54:52 okay sure so uh we meet again tomorrow
02:54:55 because tomorrow is New Moon
02:54:57 um okay by the way I’m from Zambia
02:55:00 oh yeah tell me is that from Africa
02:55:03 yeah yes okay
02:55:07 um
02:55:08 I’ll have to look on a map where that is
02:55:10 it just sounds African to me I thought
02:55:13 that I really know your instincts are
02:55:16 correct uh okay that’s nice
02:55:19 um if you have an Android
02:55:22 uh I do have a program
02:55:26 that I highly recommend because I wrote
02:55:28 it
02:55:31 but you go to the first link I gave you
02:55:33 I’ll link you to it there if you have an
02:55:35 Android
02:55:37 um and it’ll tell you when the lunar
02:55:40 Sabbath is and New Moon days and and the
02:55:43 other high holidays if you want to get
02:55:44 into those
02:55:46 um but I wrote it primarily for uh lunar
02:55:48 Sabbath and
02:55:50 uh New Moon day
02:55:55 so anyways if you’re interested if you
02:55:57 have Android there’s my app you can go
02:55:59 get to and it’ll tell you new moon days
02:56:02 are the blue ones
02:56:03 the
02:56:05 I mean the weekly sabbaths are the moon
02:56:08 ones and New Moon days are red
02:56:11 kind of a reddish launch but anyways
02:56:14 this is the defense he’s gone
02:56:17 I had to run yep you had to run you
02:56:22 wasn’t kidding
02:56:23 well I’ve gotta I’ve got
02:56:28 I
02:56:30 I’m not sure yet but I think these last
02:56:34 couple days
02:56:35 I got another Insight on
02:56:39 some things that points to yeshua’s
02:56:45 sacrifice that he did for us
02:56:47 um and this is where you know I’m still
02:56:50 chewing on it
02:56:53 um but
02:57:00 when was Yeshua wrongly judged
02:57:04 the night
02:57:06 yeah this time but
02:57:09 when
02:57:10 is it the priest’s time to keep
02:57:15 the wood burning burning fire judgment
02:57:20 is
02:57:23 night night night
02:57:25 is that pointing to that event
02:57:29 I think so
02:57:31 I apparently do believe so
02:57:37 and so that’s one that I hadn’t even
02:57:39 made a connection to before here’s a new
02:57:41 one
02:57:46 no I I do also currently believe the
02:57:49 wood burning is eternal I’m not 100 sure
02:57:52 in fact um was it second Nephi 29 States
02:57:55 his work is not done
02:57:57 right which is what purifying the trees
02:58:02 yes we are the trees
02:58:06 and so I
02:58:08 the more I think about things in the
02:58:10 imagery with the proportion
02:58:13 that one’s not law of Moses but that is
02:58:16 where the law of Moses was put upon
02:58:20 right
02:58:22 um
02:58:23 and I think that one’s eternal
02:58:25 the wood burning part
02:58:28 um but it’s still the part that’s
02:58:33 the aaronic priest Duty was at night
02:58:38 to make sure it kept burning
02:58:41 and that’s when he was
02:58:44 against Torah time when he was judged
02:58:50 and it’s kind of where it’s brought out
02:58:52 even to the point where the thief and
02:58:54 the knife and thief in the night that is
02:58:57 when
02:59:00 um he was supposed to keep that
02:59:03 purification of the wood happening
02:59:07 and he didn’t
02:59:09 going along with the Watchmen false
02:59:14 Watchmen and false Shepherds they’re not
02:59:17 doing that purification
02:59:20 yeah
02:59:22 right also and I think I’ve shared this
02:59:25 one already before but
02:59:28 which also to me points to the five wise
02:59:32 versions are keeping yahweh’s ways of
02:59:35 worshiping him because that’s at
02:59:37 midnight when the thief in the night
02:59:39 happens which is I it
02:59:42 that the bad phrase for the English way
02:59:44 of thinking of things but that’s when
02:59:46 that uh levitical priest got in trouble
02:59:49 was midnight because he didn’t do his
02:59:52 duty of watching Keeping the
02:59:54 purification fire going
02:59:57 um
02:59:57 interest points to the five which has to
03:00:01 do how to worship Yahweh and show love
03:00:03 to him versus the other five to our
03:00:07 neighbors right but anyways
03:00:10 um
03:00:12 yeah pretty cool
03:00:14 uh so I’ll go back to pause