Scripture Study 2025-07-25 D&C LDS 50 RLDS 50 1833 53 1835 17 1844 17

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Expounding D&C LDS 50. Hearken is listen and obey. Paul teaches when you have YHWH’s Spirit you are in control of yourself. When studying the D&C and Paul it would be helpful to know the questions that are being answered. Satan is causing deceptions. YHWH is calling out abominations in the church. LDS / Brighamite polygamy is a mixture of practices from multiple places. Phil Davis and break off groups teach to force visions. Eternal life is being like Yeshua. Deceiver is someone who leads others into error. Hypocrite is someone who pretends they are something they are not. There are hypocrites in the church deceiving some. You need actual evidence in a court which a revelation is not. The hypocrites will be detected after their death just as things are coming out about Brigham Young and his cohorts. The way to no longer to be in the Kingdom of Heaven is to reject Yeshua. The problem is if you reject Torah you will start thinking why you need a Savior. Paul was teaching teachers and is harder for someone new in Torah to understand. We are to reason together to help each other understand YHWH’s words. Yeshua wants us to understand His words and ways. It can take some study to understand the words that YHWH and prophets give to other to help them understand. Phil Davis is a false teacher and it’s crazy to think that the whole D&C was sealed until D&C LDS 101, 103, 105 was given and so apparently Joseph Smith didn’t understand anything till then which is stupid and deceptive idea. The purpose of life is to come under Yeshua’s covering and keep His Torah and help others to do the same. Keeping Torah which is doing what we know YHWH wants us to do gives us peace. When you know less, it is easier to be deceived. You need mercy when you are not doing according to the law. We are not to teach using deception. The ends does not justify the means. In the parable of the rock and the sand, the sand is parts of the whole truth. What most call the gifts of tongues is bringing back the curse from the tower of Babel. When no one can understand it, it is not edifying. Then there is the gift of expounding tongues not translating tongues. Light means Torah. When you keep Torah, YHWH gives you more understanding. Just because something makes you uncomfortable doesn’t mean it’s false, you need to test it out against the scriptures. Satan has deceived the world. The more you live Torah the desire for the things of the world lessens. Leaders are to serve. All things is means Torah. Purification from all sin is sanctification. You will get what you ask for in prayer when it is YHWH’s will. A blessing of keeping Torah is becoming a leader. Don’t be a jerk while calling out wickedness. Grace to grace is going from justification to sanctification. We are to become like Yeshua. We are to want the same things that YHWH wants. Second Comforter is being told you shall have eternal life. It’s about becoming like Yeshua. Wicked men are to be removed from the church. According to Joseph Smith’s last dream the restoration is a condemned building. You will know that your baptism is accepted of Yeshua when the weight of your sins have been lifted away.

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00:00:02 Hello brothers and sisters. We are here
00:00:04 for another recording. This time we’re
00:00:06 doing uh our own personal walk through
00:00:10 our our world or walk through not
00:00:13 personal but a walk through of doctrine
00:00:16 and covenants. Uh this is something that
00:00:19 we’re doing on our own time and today we
00:00:21 thought we would include you guys in on
00:00:24 uh our journey through the DNC or
00:00:26 doctrine and covenants. Uh today we will
00:00:28 be covering Doctrine and Covenants
00:00:30 section 50. Um and there are some major
00:00:36 callouts that will be coming out. Uh
00:00:38 Yahw is going to be calling out the
00:00:39 wicked who are among the early church.
00:00:42 So sit back and enjoy as we read and
00:00:48 expound upon section 50. Josh, if you
00:00:52 could get us started off in verse one.
00:00:54 >> Sure.
00:00:56 Parkin
00:00:59 right off the bat. Harkin. It’s a very
00:01:02 important word.
00:01:03 >> It actually doesn’t mean just It doesn’t
00:01:05 mean just hear.
00:01:08 >> Anyways, hearken,
00:01:12 >> right? It’s listen and obey.
00:01:14 >> Yeah.
00:01:14 >> Yes, it is. Hearken, oh ye elders of my
00:01:18 church or
00:01:18 >> the leaders, right? Yep. Yep. The
00:01:21 leaders. and give ear to the voice
00:01:26 of the living Elohim.
00:01:29 >> So, not to the world.
00:01:31 >> Yes.
00:01:31 >> Right.
00:01:32 >> Okay.
00:01:33 >> And attend to the words of wisdom which
00:01:36 shall be given unto you according as ye
00:01:38 have asked and are agreed as touching
00:01:41 the church and the spirits which have
00:01:45 gone abroad in the earth.
00:01:49 old.
00:01:50 >> I would just kind of say maybe souls
00:01:52 might be better.
00:01:55 >> It’s spirits is overloaded, right?
00:01:58 >> Yeah, I was going to say that was it’s
00:02:00 kind of a loaded word.
00:02:01 >> Yeah.
00:02:02 >> Um
00:02:03 >> well, I I also think that uh
00:02:07 that some of this may also be in
00:02:10 connection to
00:02:12 >> to chap section to what we to what we
00:02:15 went over last night, section 49.
00:02:18 talking about the shakers and how they
00:02:20 would feel the spirit and start shaking
00:02:23 and what have you,
00:02:24 >> dancing and convulsing, all that jazz.
00:02:27 >> Gota that that may be some of that
00:02:30 reference referencing to that to those
00:02:32 kind of spirits too.
00:02:33 >> Uh but we also see in verse two
00:02:37 might be adding additional.
00:02:38 >> Let’s look at this a little bit. See if
00:02:39 we can figure out according as you have
00:02:41 asked and agreed upon the church
00:02:44 >> as touching the church.
00:02:45 I’m going to say souls which are have
00:02:48 gone abroad in the earth. So I think
00:02:50 this is talking about uh those who are
00:02:52 part of the church and those who are
00:02:54 not.
00:02:55 >> Okay. Gotcha.
00:02:56 >> Okay. Okay.
00:02:58 >> The the main
00:03:01 the only thing uh so let’s read verse
00:03:05 two real quick.
00:03:06 >> Right. I think they
00:03:09 behold verily I say unto you that there
00:03:10 are many spirits which are false spirits
00:03:15 in the earth deceiving the world.
00:03:19 Now at the time that this was received,
00:03:22 there were also a lot of people who were
00:03:24 uh the there was they were at the
00:03:27 beginning of the craze of manifestations
00:03:30 of the spirit. Um
00:03:34 where where you have uh where and they
00:03:37 would have these the wherein you have
00:03:40 basically these extreme
00:03:42 uh basically
00:03:44 >> manifestations like
00:03:46 >> manifestations
00:03:47 where the spirit seizes upon somebody
00:03:49 and they’re thrown to the floor and etc
00:03:52 and twisted and contorted.
00:03:54 >> This was considered manifestation of the
00:03:56 spirit. Well, that still is today. And
00:03:59 that’s uh uh if you believe Paul as I
00:04:03 do, uh if you have the spirit of Yahw,
00:04:06 you’re you control yourself. Not
00:04:10 >> Yeah.
00:04:11 >> So,
00:04:14 >> um but yeah, I can see maybe the spirit
00:04:16 here is a little uh in verse one can be
00:04:18 a little ambiguous, right?
00:04:20 >> Right.
00:04:21 >> Yep. Um
00:04:24 because I I even in verse two it could
00:04:28 be
00:04:30 uh demons or behaviors. Right.
00:04:33 >> Right. It could be. Yep.
00:04:35 >> And maybe both are implied. Right.
00:04:37 >> Yeah. So what I’m what I’m because I can
00:04:40 definitely see the value of the
00:04:43 interpretation you brought forward.
00:04:45 Uh because that’s uh because people
00:04:50 souls can be false too.
00:04:52 >> Yeah.
00:04:52 >> Um and often are
00:04:55 >> um
00:04:58 >> we we see that at the at the onset of
00:05:01 the early church,
00:05:02 >> right? Well, and then the one thing
00:05:03 here, the deceiving of the world. Um
00:05:08 and I can see that being applied to
00:05:11 everything we brought up, right?
00:05:13 >> Yeah. Correct.
00:05:14 >> Absolutely.
00:05:16 Yep.
00:05:16 >> Um it it’s I guess without knowing
00:05:21 what the question is sometimes it’s a
00:05:24 little harder. So some of these DNC
00:05:26 sections well actually pretty much all
00:05:28 of them.
00:05:28 >> Let’s actually let’s actually read the
00:05:30 history.
00:05:33 >> Not the Maconi summary but the history.
00:05:35 >> Okay. Let me finish my statement then we
00:05:37 can do that. And sometimes
00:05:39 uh with Paul it’s hard to know what
00:05:42 makes him hard at times. One one of the
00:05:44 things because there’s multiple things
00:05:46 that makes them hard um is that we don’t
00:05:50 know the question that’s trying to be
00:05:51 answered sometimes.
00:05:53 >> Yes.
00:05:53 >> Right.
00:05:54 >> Okay. So yes, exactly. So here we are
00:05:58 and the the history for this section
00:06:00 will give us the answer to that
00:06:02 question. What was the question?
00:06:05 Joseph Smith’s history states that some
00:06:07 of the elders did not understand the
00:06:10 manifestations of different spirits
00:06:12 abroad in the earth and that this
00:06:14 revelation was given in response to his
00:06:17 special inquiry on the matter. So-called
00:06:19 spiritual phenomena were not uncommon
00:06:23 among the members, some of whom claimed
00:06:25 to be receiving visions and revelations.
00:06:29 M.
00:06:30 >> Okay. So, that does clear up uh the
00:06:32 ambiguity
00:06:34 going on.
00:06:35 >> Ambiguity. Yes.
00:06:37 >> All right. So, verse three.
00:06:39 >> Yes.
00:06:40 >> And also, Satan hath sought to deceive
00:06:43 you that he might overthrow you.
00:06:46 >> Well, that’s pretty.
00:06:48 >> So, this is so th So, that actually does
00:06:51 put it in the realm of actual spirits.
00:06:55 >> Yeah. Or or souls.
00:06:58 >> Yeah. Oh, it’s
00:06:59 >> try to use a word that’s not overloaded,
00:07:01 right?
00:07:02 >> Yeah. So, and I think I think it’s
00:07:05 interesting whenever there has ever been
00:07:08 a restoration in history, a restoration
00:07:11 of Yah’s mind and will,
00:07:15 Satan always comes
00:07:17 >> to co-opt it
00:07:18 >> to co-opt it and destroy it before it
00:07:21 can gain any momentum
00:07:24 >> or too much momentum or
00:07:26 >> Yeah, true. That too. that too.
00:07:29 >> Yeah. Well, I mean, Satan’s always
00:07:31 trying to keep us away from Yahw. So, I
00:07:33 mean, that’s
00:07:33 >> right. That’s his entire goal. That’s
00:07:35 his That’s his thing.
00:07:38 >> Yeah. All right. Um, behold, I Yahweh
00:07:42 say something.
00:07:42 >> Have a look.
00:07:43 >> Oh, Josh, he wanted to Stephen wanted to
00:07:45 say something. Sorry.
00:07:46 >> Yeah, I got that. Thank you.
00:07:48 >> Okay. Um I I do think it partly I think
00:07:52 three is bringing out that the source of
00:07:54 all this other
00:07:56 uh deceptions that are going on is
00:08:00 >> correct.
00:08:00 >> Right. Right.
00:08:02 >> It’s ultimately him that’s causing it
00:08:04 and um
00:08:07 through various ways. Right. Because
00:08:08 there there are people that believe lies
00:08:11 that
00:08:12 don’t think they’re believing lie
00:08:14 they’re promoting it. But those lies
00:08:16 ultimately come from Satan. Right.
00:08:18 >> Right. Right. Right. Um, behold, I y
00:08:22 have looked upon you and have seen
00:08:25 abominations
00:08:28 in the church that profess my name. It’s
00:08:32 an interesting turn of phrase the way he
00:08:34 phrased it there.
00:08:35 >> Well, I do think they’re calling out um
00:08:39 probably some beginnings of polygamy. I
00:08:41 don’t know when that actually started
00:08:43 with the Brigham Y. Young and the other
00:08:46 leaders. Yeah, I said Brigham Not Joseph
00:08:48 Smith.
00:08:50 >> Um,
00:08:51 >> wait.
00:08:52 >> Yeah.
00:08:54 >> And and unless Ben wants to say
00:08:56 something, I can finish my statement.
00:08:58 >> Let him finish. I’ll let you finish.
00:09:00 >> Okay. And I do like how it’s bringing up
00:09:04 abominations in contrast to his
00:09:07 character, aka name.
00:09:09 >> Yep. Yep.
00:09:11 >> Uh, and there are, uh, the Book of
00:09:14 Mormon calls out polygamy as an
00:09:16 abomination.
00:09:17 um
00:09:19 >> which uh the Bigham and his crew is
00:09:21 calling spiritual wiferey lots I can’t
00:09:24 remember all the names but anyways yeah
00:09:28 >> um yeah I I do believe that the yeah is
00:09:31 uh also
00:09:34 in relation to what the act in relation
00:09:38 to what brought forward the question
00:09:40 there were many in the church who were
00:09:42 claiming to receive visions that taught
00:09:44 them about these abominations
00:09:48 about polygamy.
00:09:50 >> Yeah. Uh yes.
00:09:51 >> Well, I I don’t know.
00:09:56 >> Spiritual life a spiritual wifey. The
00:09:59 spiritual life system was actually
00:10:02 developed over time
00:10:04 and it was through the blending of
00:10:06 several different um quote unquote
00:10:08 visions and um revelations.
00:10:12 >> So when when was because I know Brigham
00:10:14 Young has a journal entry
00:10:17 when he was in London about how Yah
00:10:20 taught it to him.
00:10:23 >> Did um but it’s in this journal. Do you
00:10:28 know what year that was?
00:10:30 >> Um I don’t remember. I’d have to look it
00:10:34 I’d have to look it up again.
00:10:35 >> Mission time period.
00:10:37 >> Yeah. But it it the whole thing with
00:10:40 polygamy um you know some of it was from
00:10:44 co converted co part of the whole
00:10:47 polygamy doctrine came from converted
00:10:49 cochronites part of it was from the
00:10:51 visions and what have you from England.
00:10:54 Um
00:10:58 so it was it the Mormon Mormonite uh
00:11:02 Mormon polygamy is kind of a hybrid
00:11:04 beast.
00:11:06 >> I agree with that. Yes.
00:11:07 >> And uh and uh it was and
00:11:12 and some of it was and a large part of
00:11:14 that hybrid was brought about through
00:11:17 visions, professed visions and dreamers.
00:11:21 >> Correct.
00:11:24 >> Which I think is interesting. Um a group
00:11:28 that Ben and I were both affiliated with
00:11:31 were all about
00:11:34 um the forcing
00:11:37 Yeah.
00:11:37 >> of visions and dreams by the name of
00:11:42 >> your knees for four hours.
00:11:44 >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. And allowing any and any
00:11:48 um
00:11:50 uh any person or personage to come to
00:11:55 you and tell you anything and then you
00:11:58 accept it because you feel good.
00:12:01 >> Yeah. which is um they’re not they need
00:12:03 to test it to Torah and they and they
00:12:06 don’t like that.
00:12:08 >> Correct.
00:12:10 >> Oh yeah. So the so these abominations
00:12:12 are so these abominations would include
00:12:17 polygamy. They would also include false
00:12:20 man false spiritual manifestations
00:12:22 and other things of that nature.
00:12:26 >> All right. Okay. All right. potentially
00:12:29 even the prayers of the wicked
00:12:32 >> we read about that
00:12:33 >> prayers of the wicked are an abomination
00:12:36 >> to the
00:12:38 >> yep
00:12:40 >> so that is true all right um five but
00:12:44 blessed are they who are faithful and
00:12:48 endure whether in life or in death
00:12:52 >> okay this is just basically
00:12:55 being diligent to the end is what it
00:12:57 >> right And if you do, you shall inherit
00:13:01 eternal life.
00:13:02 >> Yeah.
00:13:04 >> Pretty simple.
00:13:06 >> Which is the which is the end, by the
00:13:08 way.
00:13:09 >> Right.
00:13:10 >> Different meaning of end, but it is
00:13:14 >> so end can mean goal. If that’s the
00:13:16 definition you’re getting at, Ben.
00:13:18 >> Yes, that’s that’s what I’m getting
00:13:20 with.
00:13:20 >> Um, so yeah, I I can see that because
00:13:24 that is the goal, right?
00:13:26 >> Yeah. Right.
00:13:27 >> Which is that in itself is becoming like
00:13:30 Yeshua. Right.
00:13:32 >> Right.
00:13:33 >> Um so completely not just somewhat to
00:13:38 some degree.
00:13:40 >> Yeah.
00:13:40 >> Right.
00:13:41 >> Not just to whatever degree you’re
00:13:42 comfortable with.
00:13:43 >> Yeah.
00:13:44 >> And coming up we have the call out to
00:13:48 call out against wickedness. Josh, hit
00:13:50 us up in six.
00:13:52 >> Yep. But woe unto them that are
00:13:54 deceivers and hypocrites, for thus saith
00:13:58 Yahweh, I will bring them to judgment.
00:14:03 >> Hold on a second. Hold on a second. So,
00:14:04 I’ve got a question, Stephen.
00:14:07 What is a hypocrite?
00:14:09 >> Is that somebody Is that somebody who
00:14:11 says to do something and then does it?
00:14:15 >> No, it’s someone who says preaches one
00:14:17 thing and does another.
00:14:18 >> Oh, okay. I got you. I got you. Somebody
00:14:21 like that. Somebody like Ellen White who
00:14:23 tells in 1863 tells all the Seventh Day
00:14:26 Adventists to stop eating meat and
00:14:28 doesn’t stop doesn’t start doing so
00:14:30 herself until 1894
00:14:32 >> close to her death
00:14:33 >> among some other things that she did
00:14:35 that also right
00:14:39 >> things
00:14:39 >> and and I I think it’s interesting that
00:14:42 hypocrites are listed separately from
00:14:45 deceivers.
00:14:47 >> Yes.
00:14:48 >> Right. And that is kind of weird because
00:14:50 a deceiver
00:14:52 I I I can be a hypocrite, right?
00:14:55 >> Yeah.
00:14:57 >> They’re maybe a deceiver is one that’s
00:15:00 doing it more intentional than I I don’t
00:15:03 know if that’s the right.
00:15:04 >> I I think I think I I think that in this
00:15:07 case since it’s listed out separately,
00:15:10 it is someone who knows what they are
00:15:12 doing.
00:15:14 >> Yeah. Well, I think hypocrites even know
00:15:16 it, too, but they’re probably not as del
00:15:19 about it.
00:15:20 >> Can I Can I offer something here on
00:15:23 that?
00:15:23 >> Sure.
00:15:25 >> Hypocrites deceive with their actions
00:15:29 and deceivers
00:15:31 deceive with their words. Sure, I can
00:15:33 see that. I can see that.
00:15:34 >> Okay. All right. That’s a good That’s a
00:15:36 good separator.
00:15:38 >> All right. Fair enough. Okay. How about
00:15:42 How about we go look at the 1828
00:15:44 dictionary?
00:15:45 >> Absolutely.
00:15:47 >> I like that idea. Which word are we
00:15:50 looking up? Deceiver.
00:15:51 >> Sure. We got to do them both, but we can
00:15:53 do.
00:15:53 >> Oh, yeah. That’s true.
00:15:56 >> Deceiver. Yeah.
00:15:59 Uh, one who deceives, one who leads into
00:16:02 error, a cheat, an impostor.
00:16:04 >> Okay.
00:16:06 >> Hypocrite.
00:16:08 Hypo.
00:16:10 >> Yeah. Put the
00:16:11 >> hypocrity.
00:16:13 Okay.
00:16:13 >> Hypocrity.
00:16:15 >> Hypocrity. There you go. One who feains
00:16:19 to be what he is not. One who is
00:16:21 >> one leads into decept into error. The
00:16:24 other one claims to be something he
00:16:25 isn’t. Okay.
00:16:27 >> Well, that that’s close to what Ben
00:16:29 said, right?
00:16:30 >> Yeah, pretty much. Words, actions. Words
00:16:33 and actions. Yeah.
00:16:37 >> There we go.
00:16:39 >> All right. For thus sayith Yahweh, I
00:16:41 will bring them to judgment. Verse
00:16:42 seven.
00:16:43 >> Yep. Behold, verily I say unto you,
00:16:47 there are hypocrites among you, Brigham
00:16:49 Y. Young, who have deceived some.
00:16:52 >> Uh, everybody’s clear. Uh, Josh said
00:16:55 Brigham Y Young was a hypocrite. Uh, I
00:16:58 wholeheartedly agree.
00:17:00 >> Oh, wait. I’d like to add one more
00:17:02 person to that list. Willard Richards.
00:17:06 >> Oh, yeah. And others. Yes. and many
00:17:09 Wilfrid Woodruff.
00:17:10 >> Yeah.
00:17:11 >> Well, and it and and here’s what it
00:17:14 says. There are hypocrites among you who
00:17:15 have deceived who have deceived some
00:17:19 which has given the adversary power,
00:17:23 but behold, such shall be reclaimed,
00:17:26 >> not the hypocrites. Those who have been
00:17:28 deceived shall
00:17:29 >> Yes.
00:17:30 >> Yeah. So, um, the reason why this gives
00:17:35 Satan power is because it’s, uh, causing
00:17:38 people to sin, which then gives Satan
00:17:41 power over them.
00:17:44 >> So, yeah, but I do think it’s important
00:17:47 to realize that the those who will be
00:17:49 reclaimed are not the hypocrites. It’s
00:17:51 while you’re in the while you’re in the
00:17:52 business of hypocrisy, it’s very hard to
00:17:56 be very hard to be reclaimed out of it
00:17:59 because you’re not being honest with
00:18:01 yourself.
00:18:01 >> You don’t think there’s anything wrong
00:18:02 because you
00:18:03 >> Yeah. You’re not being honest with
00:18:04 yourself,
00:18:06 >> right?
00:18:08 >> Yep. No, there no there and and verse 8
00:18:12 uh clarifies verse 7 in that the people
00:18:15 who are going to be reclaimed are the
00:18:17 ones who were deceived because verse
00:18:18 eight says but the hypocrites
00:18:21 shall be detected and shall be cut off
00:18:26 >> now either either in life or in death.
00:18:29 >> Yahweh did tell Joseph Smith to start
00:18:31 looking for these people
00:18:34 uh and finding evidence to use against
00:18:36 them. He
00:18:38 >> now Yahweh knows all. He could have used
00:18:40 a revelation and said who it is, but he
00:18:43 didn’t
00:18:44 >> because even if he did, you can’t use
00:18:48 that revelation in court. You need
00:18:50 actual evidence.
00:18:52 >> You need Yes.
00:18:54 >> So, not even in a Torah court can you
00:18:57 use revelation as evidence.
00:18:59 >> What said not even in a Torah court can
00:19:02 you use revelation as evidence.
00:19:05 >> Correct. cuz there for one it could be a
00:19:08 bad revelation but anyways because there
00:19:11 are prophets out there but
00:19:14 >> um you have to use actions
00:19:17 actual actions
00:19:18 >> and observe
00:19:18 >> only one that can judge the hearts
00:19:22 >> uh which would a revelation would be
00:19:24 kind of doing is Yahweh
00:19:26 >> right yep
00:19:28 >> we we men do not get to judge hearts we
00:19:30 only
00:19:30 >> we get to judge actions actions actions
00:19:34 actions
00:19:34 >> I Love the end of verse six cuz that’s
00:19:37 basically what he’s the judgment he’s
00:19:39 talking about. He’s talking about the
00:19:41 judgment of the heart. I will bring them
00:19:43 to judgment at the end of verse six.
00:19:45 >> What I love in what I love is the phrase
00:19:47 in verse eight where it talks about the
00:19:50 hypocrites shall be cut off and it shall
00:19:51 be detected and shall be cut off either
00:19:53 in life or
00:19:55 >> in death. Yes.
00:19:56 >> Even as I will.
00:20:00 There’s a lot that’s coming out more and
00:20:02 more on this
00:20:04 >> in death. Or as in after they have died,
00:20:07 things will come out that will show that
00:20:09 they were hypocrites and deceived.
00:20:11 >> Yep.
00:20:12 >> Right.
00:20:13 >> And and woe unto them who are cut off
00:20:15 from my church, for the same are
00:20:17 overcome of the world. And what is the
00:20:19 world? That’s Satan’s domain.
00:20:21 >> So So here this is once again using that
00:20:24 uh famous first Nephi definition of
00:20:27 church. There are two sav two churches
00:20:29 only. The church of the lamb and the
00:20:31 church of the devil.
00:20:34 Um and those who are cut off from the
00:20:37 church of the lamb
00:20:39 >> are overcome of the world and therefore
00:20:41 the church of the devil.
00:20:43 >> So I I I see what you’re saying. I’m
00:20:45 just going to put something out there. I
00:20:46 don’t know if it’s right or not. I’m
00:20:48 going to put something there.
00:20:50 >> Okay.
00:20:50 >> Uh three glories. His church is the
00:20:54 church of the firstborn.
00:20:56 >> True. True. celestial glory. So,
00:20:58 >> y
00:21:00 >> uh what are the other two glories? But
00:21:02 anyways, we don’t have to try to solve
00:21:04 it now. I’m just
00:21:05 >> Right.
00:21:06 >> That is an interesting thought.
00:21:07 >> That’s an interesting thought.
00:21:10 >> Yep.
00:21:11 >> All right. Verse nine. Wherefore will
00:21:14 let every man beware, lest he do that
00:21:17 which is not in truth and righteousness
00:21:20 before me?
00:21:22 >> What is truth?
00:21:24 Um so it has two definitions. Yeshua and
00:21:27 Torah,
00:21:28 >> right?
00:21:29 >> Righteousness.
00:21:31 >> Uh Yeshua and Torah.
00:21:37 >> I mean, he is my righteousness.
00:21:38 >> So, basically, let every man beware lest
00:21:42 he break lest he break Torah.
00:21:44 >> Lest you break from Yeshua by breaking
00:21:47 Torah.
00:21:48 >> Right.
00:21:49 >> Well, okay. So, let’s um
00:21:56 even if you don’t So, once you’re in the
00:21:58 kingdom and you break Torah,
00:22:02 you’re still going to be in the kingdom.
00:22:03 I know that sounds interesting. Okay.
00:22:06 The the way that you will not be in the
00:22:08 kingdom anymore is if you decide to
00:22:10 reject Yeshua.
00:22:13 >> Yeah.
00:22:13 >> Yeah. The problem is if you reject the
00:22:17 law, you’re going to start thinking, why
00:22:20 do I need a savior? And then you will
00:22:22 reject the Messiah.
00:22:25 >> It becomes one of those um it becomes
00:22:28 one of those things where uh you
00:22:32 where you slide down where you
00:22:36 it’s a slippery slope.
00:22:38 >> Yes, it is a slippery slope. Um
00:22:41 >> not all slippery slopes are fallacies.
00:22:43 Right. And the issue is not sin. The
00:22:48 issue is uh rejecting Yeshua. But the
00:22:52 >> right is denial and rejection. Yes.
00:22:54 >> The if you give into your sin, you’re
00:22:58 more prone to say it’s okay and then
00:23:02 reject Yeshua. So,
00:23:03 >> right.
00:23:04 >> Right. That makes sense.
00:23:06 You know, it’s um
00:23:09 it’s kind of like when you start another
00:23:12 similar thing, similar but different.
00:23:16 I’ll put it I will put it that way is
00:23:18 when you start rejecting the is when you
00:23:21 start rejecting the words of the
00:23:22 servants of Yah because you don’t
00:23:25 understand them. For instance,
00:23:28 I’ve seen a whole lot of people who
00:23:30 started rejecting Paul in favor of the
00:23:33 words of Yeshua because they didn’t
00:23:35 understand the words of Paul.
00:23:37 >> Yeah.
00:23:38 >> Long It wasn’t long before they were
00:23:41 rejecting Yeshua as Paul.
00:23:43 >> Yes. I I the I see people in the Hebrew
00:23:49 movement or Hebrew roots movement which
00:23:51 I think is more Pharisee movement
00:23:54 actually. I’ve also have seen people in
00:23:57 the restoration movement um reject Paul.
00:24:01 >> Yeah.
00:24:02 >> Which is sad because in in the
00:24:04 restoration movement uh Yahweh did a
00:24:07 revelation through Joseph Smith that
00:24:09 says Paul is an apostle.
00:24:12 >> And here’s the other thing and here’s
00:24:13 the other thing. And when you reject
00:24:16 Paul, you reject
00:24:20 some of the greatest explanations
00:24:23 of justification that are in the
00:24:25 scriptures.
00:24:28 >> Yeah.
00:24:30 >> Well, I I on that I think it would
00:24:32 somewhat depend on the person because I
00:24:34 mean I like Paul, but Paul was primarily
00:24:39 teaching teachers.
00:24:40 >> Yes. Yes.
00:24:42 >> You have to Yeah. You have to understand
00:24:44 his audience. Yeah.
00:24:46 >> Right. So, I can see how some people may
00:24:48 not have it akin to Paul as maybe as Ben
00:24:52 does. Um, and so I I
00:24:57 I don’t know if I would say greater or
00:24:59 less. It’s just different things
00:25:03 uh and different ways approaching it
00:25:05 touch different people’s hearts. So,
00:25:07 >> yeah. Yeah, I could. Yeah, definitely.
00:25:09 Absolutely. Yeah.
00:25:11 >> Why the same message is repeated in so
00:25:13 many different ways and through so many
00:25:15 different voices.
00:25:16 >> Yeah. Well, what I would love to have
00:25:19 what I would have loved to have heard
00:25:20 before we move on is the words of Paul
00:25:23 to the believer. Not just to the teacher
00:25:27 of the believer, but just to the
00:25:28 believer. I would have when he was just
00:25:30 teaching believers, I would have loved
00:25:32 to have heard sermons from Paul on that.
00:25:36 Uh now with that being said, let’s go to
00:25:38 verse 10.
00:25:40 Okay.
00:25:42 And now come saith Yahweh by the spirit
00:25:47 unto the elders of his church
00:25:50 and let us reason together that you may
00:25:52 understand.
00:25:54 >> Okay. So let’s reason together. Does
00:25:56 that mean we come together and talk
00:25:58 things out like we are right here?
00:26:00 >> Uh yeah, maybe.
00:26:03 >> I think we should check the dictionary
00:26:04 though, just in case.
00:26:05 >> Yeah, let’s let’s check that dictionary.
00:26:07 >> Not just us.
00:26:09 making it up. But I I mean this is
00:26:12 coming out and
00:26:15 >> and helping each other understand things
00:26:20 >> to say or speak whence rhetoric that
00:26:22 which is thought or which is alleged in
00:26:24 words. Okay. The cause ground.
00:26:28 >> So put your thirds and words into I mean
00:26:30 your thoughts into words. Right.
00:26:33 >> To help with conclusion or
00:26:35 determinations.
00:26:36 >> Yes.
00:26:37 >> Yep.
00:26:38 >> Right. to form an opinion as it’s going
00:26:40 on in version one. I mean ver definition
00:26:44 one. It’s not script definition. Um
00:26:48 >> efficient cause. No, that’s not it. Uh
00:26:51 final cause. No,
00:26:55 >> a faculty of the mind by which it
00:26:58 distinguishes truth from falsehood and
00:27:01 good from evil and which enables the
00:27:03 possessor to deduce inferences from
00:27:06 facts or from propositions.
00:27:10 >> So this is thinking about it.
00:27:13 >> Yes.
00:27:14 >> So that one’s definitely applying the
00:27:16 word of yah to help
00:27:17 >> y
00:27:21 >> Yeah. Oh, look. Exercise of reason. It’s
00:27:24 something that you do.
00:27:27 >> Ratioation. Yep.
00:27:30 >> Ratioation, which is the exercise of
00:27:32 reason. Yes.
00:27:33 >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:27:36 >> Uh basically, it’s basically what are
00:27:38 the odds,
00:27:40 >> right? You’re sitting here looking at
00:27:41 something saying, “What are the odds?”
00:27:43 >> Yeah.
00:27:43 >> That which is dictated or supported by
00:27:45 reason.
00:27:50 >> Yeah.
00:27:52 reasonable claim, rationale,
00:27:55 >> moderation. So, it doesn’t mean you just
00:27:59 bring up whatever the hell you want
00:28:01 that’s
00:28:03 >> unrelated or not even
00:28:07 um going with what we’re trying to
00:28:09 figure out and stuff like that. Right.
00:28:11 >> Right. Right.
00:28:13 A and also moderate demands making sure.
00:28:16 So this maybe this is more along the
00:28:18 lines of the demands are within reason.
00:28:24 >> Yes.
00:28:26 >> Uh then there’s the verb intritive to
00:28:29 exercise
00:28:31 >> information
00:28:33 premises
00:28:34 >> to confer or inquire by discussion or
00:28:37 mutual communication of thoughts,
00:28:39 arguments or reasons. That’s
00:28:41 >> and that’s what is being talked about in
00:28:43 this section
00:28:45 >> that we are reading right now.
00:28:48 >> Yeah. Yeah. As in to work together to
00:28:50 try to figure it out together.
00:28:52 >> Yep.
00:28:52 >> And debate is not necessarily a bad
00:28:54 thing, is it?
00:28:56 >> Oh, no. Debate is debate’s not
00:28:59 necessarily a bad thing. It’s when it
00:29:01 gets it’s when people start taking it
00:29:03 personally and get and get ugly with it
00:29:07 >> and start declaring the uh ultimate
00:29:10 argument winner.
00:29:11 >> Yeah. Yeah. Poopy booger poopy booger
00:29:15 face. Now it’s a poopy booger face.
00:29:18 >> Uh so number two is a good one. Going
00:29:21 down
00:29:22 >> to discourse talk to give but to take or
00:29:25 give an account
00:29:26 >> down more John. I’m sorry. Right here.
00:29:30 This one.
00:29:30 >> Yeah, that one.
00:29:31 >> Yep. Yep.
00:29:33 >> Uh, that sounds like what we try to do,
00:29:36 right?
00:29:36 >> Yeah.
00:29:37 >> Stand still that I may reason with you
00:29:41 >> before ya
00:29:43 have all the right.
00:29:44 >> Oh, here you go. Verb transitive number
00:29:48 one to examine or discuss by arguments
00:29:51 to debate or discuss. I reasoned the
00:29:54 matter with my friend.
00:29:58 Who’s the best friend we could possibly
00:30:00 have?
00:30:01 >> Uh Yeshua.
00:30:05 >> Yeah, but there’s this discuss that
00:30:07 that’s using words, right?
00:30:09 >> Uh well, yeah.
00:30:10 >> No, no, it’s where we do this
00:30:12 telekinetic thing or tele we we touch
00:30:16 our fingertips together, absorb each
00:30:19 other’s thoughts.
00:30:20 Oh, wait. That’s Mystic Babylon.
00:30:23 Anyways, um
00:30:24 >> well I mean I think discussion is more
00:30:27 than just reading quotes from false
00:30:31 >> I think maybe
00:30:34 >> discussion is discussion is where I talk
00:30:37 and you listen
00:30:39 >> oh Phil I’m glad you cleared that up for
00:30:43 >> one way or is confused
00:30:47 >> that one way or two way that’s supposed
00:30:49 to be
00:30:51 >> it’s a it’s it’s a oneway conversation.
00:30:54 I say and you listen.
00:30:56 >> I was being very facitious. I was being
00:30:59 very facitious. Uh
00:31:02 >> yes, I know.
00:31:03 >> Going with um going with a type and
00:31:06 going with a type that I’ve seen many
00:31:08 times.
00:31:10 >> Yes. Growing up and even in adulthood.
00:31:13 Yes. So reason is literally using your
00:31:16 words, using your brains and discussing
00:31:20 with another person.
00:31:23 It’s a two-way person you’re listening
00:31:26 >> or persons
00:31:27 >> or or persons. Well, two. It’s got to be
00:31:31 at least two. Okay. At least two.
00:31:34 >> Well,
00:31:35 >> please, dear Lord, please let it be two.
00:31:38 Um and uh
00:31:43 Um,
00:31:44 >> well, let’s in spite of this definition,
00:31:47 let’s look at another scripture real
00:31:49 quick. Isaiah chapter one.
00:31:54 >> And so, let’s uh
00:31:59 start let’s uh read verse 18.
00:32:04 Isaiah 1:18. Come now, let us reason
00:32:07 together. Say, “Though your sins be as
00:32:11 scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.
00:32:13 Though they be red like crimson, they
00:32:15 shall be as wool.” So, is this does this
00:32:19 happen when we have a good feeling or
00:32:22 does this happen as we reasonable?
00:32:26 >> Well, okay. So,
00:32:28 um I I will tell you justification is a
00:32:31 good feeling.
00:32:33 >> Absolutely. It’s a very good feeling.
00:32:35 Yeah. Sanctification
00:32:38 Well, this is I in my I mean this could
00:32:41 be both. I I’m gonna I’m gonna because
00:32:45 it this could be justification or
00:32:46 sanctification or both.
00:32:48 >> Good point. Good point.
00:32:49 >> Because uh you are forgiven of both,
00:32:52 right? So
00:32:53 >> yeah. Oh yeah. But I I also hear it’s um
00:32:59 it’s a discussion between you and and
00:33:01 him and particularly with your heart
00:33:05 like a broken heart and a contrite
00:33:07 spirit.
00:33:08 >> But he even gives he gives a clarifier
00:33:11 in verse 19. If ye be willing and
00:33:14 obedient, ye shall eat the good of the
00:33:17 land.
00:33:18 >> Right.
00:33:19 >> Right. Um and it’s this two-way thing.
00:33:24 You’re supposed to be talking things
00:33:27 with him.
00:33:28 >> It’s not maybe prayer. Maybe
00:33:31 >> of course when of course when Yahw
00:33:34 speaks we listen but we need to we need
00:33:39 to be giving oursel we need to be giving
00:33:41 our thoughts to him in prayer.
00:33:44 >> Right. Um but on this reason though I
00:33:47 think
00:33:50 especially when you get started it
00:33:54 there’s some new things and you may hear
00:33:56 it but you may not understand it even if
00:33:59 you want to
00:34:00 >> right
00:34:02 or you can go and ask him questions or
00:34:04 you go find one of his good teachers to
00:34:06 help you too and you should do both. I
00:34:08 really suggest having a mortal teacher
00:34:11 and take it back to Yahweh. In fact, you
00:34:14 should be testing what we’re saying
00:34:15 here. So,
00:34:17 >> yeah.
00:34:17 >> Um, it’s fine. It’s appropriate. I want
00:34:20 you to. So,
00:34:21 >> yes.
00:34:22 >> Yeah,
00:34:22 >> absolutely. Um,
00:34:24 >> for sure.
00:34:25 >> I I hope that wasn’t too much of a side
00:34:27 trip.
00:34:27 >> No, not at all. No, this is called
00:34:30 scripture study. So, if we can pull in
00:34:33 other scriptures to help highlight the
00:34:36 meaning of what we’re reading, the the
00:34:38 better.
00:34:40 >> Yeah,
00:34:40 >> absolutely. You know, verse 11 just
00:34:43 clarifies what we were talking about.
00:34:44 Let us reason even as a man reasonth one
00:34:47 with another face to face. So that he
00:34:49 comes right out and says this is this is
00:34:52 the way of it. We’re going to talk this
00:34:53 out.
00:34:54 >> Yeah.
00:34:56 >> The so he in here he’s talking to the
00:34:59 elders which are the leaders and the
00:35:01 teachers.
00:35:02 >> Um right
00:35:03 >> which is somewhat I brought up with the
00:35:05 Isaiah 1 verse that we are reading. So
00:35:08 here it’s it’s basically teaching the
00:35:10 same thing. This one’s talking about the
00:35:12 atonement aspect of it was in the other
00:35:16 verse
00:35:17 >> right
00:35:18 >> but it is focusing on
00:35:21 talking it out together
00:35:23 >> right
00:35:24 >> now
00:35:26 but he clarifies something here which I
00:35:28 think is interesting now when a man
00:35:31 reasonth he is understood of man because
00:35:34 he reasonth as a man. So will I, Yahweh,
00:35:39 reason with you that you may understand.
00:35:44 >> So he understand,
00:35:46 >> right?
00:35:48 He’s like, I’m going to talk with you on
00:35:50 your level because I want you to
00:35:52 understand this.
00:35:54 >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh second Nephi 29 brings
00:35:56 that out also, if I remember correctly.
00:35:59 >> Um but he he’s not just saying words to
00:36:03 make himself look smart,
00:36:05 >> right? and important he
00:36:08 >> he’s saying this out of love
00:36:11 wants us to understand.
00:36:14 >> Yeah.
00:36:14 >> Yeah.
00:36:15 >> Now part of the one of the issues with
00:36:18 scriptures is it wasn’t given to us
00:36:21 directly. We are benefiting it from his
00:36:25 discussions with others or other people
00:36:27 with other people. Right.
00:36:30 >> At time sometimes it does take some
00:36:32 study to understand that because it
00:36:35 wasn’t directly given it to us.
00:36:39 >> Right. Right. Right. Right. And
00:36:41 >> as we said at the beginning of the
00:36:43 section, sometimes the question gets
00:36:47 lost in translation.
00:36:49 >> Yeah. That’s a big problem with Paul. It
00:36:51 looks like we did have the question at
00:36:53 the top of this one. We don’t always
00:36:55 with the DNC though.
00:36:57 >> Right. Right. which is one of the things
00:36:59 that can make the DNC a little tricky.
00:37:01 >> Well, it’s one of the things that can
00:37:03 make the scriptures in general a little
00:37:05 tricky.
00:37:06 >> Yeah. I wouldn’t say that I wouldn’t say
00:37:09 that um I would I won’t go so far as a
00:37:12 certain false teacher that I was with,
00:37:14 Phil Davis, and say that it is a sealed
00:37:18 book.
00:37:19 Uh but uh it can be a little tricky.
00:37:23 >> It can be.
00:37:24 >> Yeah,
00:37:25 >> can be. But that’s when you that’s when
00:37:27 you sit down and you reason with Yahwa.
00:37:30 >> So I’m just gonna say something since uh
00:37:32 Ben brought him up. I I will say this.
00:37:35 Apparently the whole DNC was sealed
00:37:40 until DNC 101, 103, and 105 came along.
00:37:44 So
00:37:45 >> yeah,
00:37:46 >> Joseph Smith was just running around
00:37:47 with his head cut off because he didn’t
00:37:49 >> Wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute,
00:37:50 Stephen. This one was received well
00:37:52 before 101, 103, 105. We are expounding
00:37:56 this.
00:37:57 >> This is actually
00:37:57 >> Oh yeah, but we we have the benefit of
00:37:59 having those sections. Joseph Smith,
00:38:01 >> this was actually this was actually
00:38:04 received before the con before their
00:38:07 timeline of condemnation begins.
00:38:10 >> Right. Right. Well, I I I’m more I’m
00:38:12 just bringing out how
00:38:15 what a stupid comment that is. I mean
00:38:18 >> that is
00:38:19 >> there there there there’s a lot in the
00:38:21 scriptures in the DNC up before 101 that
00:38:25 is fairly easy to understand.
00:38:28 >> Well, I would say I would say not just
00:38:31 stupid but it I I I believe it’s a
00:38:33 deceptive
00:38:34 >> statement. Well, it’s it’s a it it is
00:38:38 basically gaslighting.
00:38:40 >> Yeah. because because it’s telling you,
00:38:44 you know, you know full well that you
00:38:46 understood it when you read it, but he’s
00:38:47 telling you no, you don’t.
00:38:49 >> Yeah. Uh and
00:38:53 there’s I do understand there are some
00:38:56 scriptures it takes more study to
00:38:58 understand,
00:39:00 >> but a lot of it is pretty simple.
00:39:04 >> Yeah.
00:39:05 >> So
00:39:07 just since brought up uh
00:39:09 >> Yeah.
00:39:11 brought him up. I thought I would just
00:39:12 add that because apparently Joseph Smith
00:39:16 didn’t understand any of this. Yeah.
00:39:18 >> Yeah. No, absolutely.
00:39:20 >> I mean, so Yahweh just wasted a hundred
00:39:22 sections. He should have given him 101
00:39:24 first if that was the key to unseal it
00:39:26 all.
00:39:27 >> 103, 101, 103, and 105. Those should
00:39:30 have been the first three.
00:39:31 >> It was a whole bunch of babble. And then
00:39:33 in addition, when Yahweh gave Joseph
00:39:35 Smith commands that Joseph Smith
00:39:37 actually understood in them that were
00:39:39 before 101. No, he really didn’t because
00:39:41 it was healed. Sorry. Anyways, I’m
00:39:44 making fun of Phil but
00:39:45 >> because only but anyways. Yeah. Okay.
00:39:48 >> He’s earned it. He has earned it.
00:39:51 >> Yeah.
00:39:52 >> All right. So, um verse 13, I believe.
00:39:55 Yes. Uh wherefore, I ask you this
00:39:58 question. First off, wherefore means for
00:40:02 this cause,
00:40:04 >> right?
00:40:04 >> So that you may understand,
00:40:06 >> right?
00:40:06 >> That’s why he’s asking this question,
00:40:08 >> right? Wherefore I
00:40:12 >> Sorry, was someone trying to say
00:40:14 something? No. Carry on.
00:40:15 >> Okay. Wherefore I Yahweh ask you this
00:40:18 question. Unto what were you ordained?
00:40:23 to preach my
00:40:25 >> He’s trying to Can I He’s trying to
00:40:28 bring more to the forefront
00:40:31 of what they’re supposed to be doing.
00:40:34 >> Yep.
00:40:35 >> Now, they probably knew to some degree,
00:40:37 right? But trying to put even more
00:40:40 emphasis on that,
00:40:44 >> right?
00:40:44 >> What What is all this? In fact, I I
00:40:47 would say this goes back to the purpose
00:40:50 of life and Yahweh’s purpose is to bring
00:40:54 to pass the immortality and eternal life
00:40:55 of man, which
00:40:57 >> goes along with our purpose or at least
00:41:00 mine, but it’s actually everybody’s
00:41:03 >> um right
00:41:04 >> to come to Yeshua’s covering
00:41:06 >> and keep his Torah and then help others
00:41:08 to do the same.
00:41:10 >> Right?
00:41:11 >> All that goes together. And that guess
00:41:13 what that involves
00:41:16 >> doing yourself and then teaching which
00:41:19 is what I believe this is what he’s
00:41:22 going to get into here right
00:41:25 >> I want to point out that this is
00:41:27 actually a really important question
00:41:29 when you consider uh let’s if you think
00:41:33 back to the early to uh Yeshua’s early
00:41:37 apostles
00:41:39 around the time of the around in the
00:41:42 first century AD.
00:41:44 >> Yeah.
00:41:45 >> Their mighty miracles were in service of
00:41:48 that to which they were ordained.
00:41:52 >> Yeah. They weren’t just willy-nilly
00:41:54 doing it.
00:41:55 >> They weren’t doing it to look cool.
00:41:57 >> Just like Yeshua’s mighty miracles were
00:42:01 in service to that to which he was
00:42:05 ordained.
00:42:07 >> Yeah. Not only that, it was also
00:42:09 prophesied. But yes. Well, well, yes, it
00:42:13 was prophesied.
00:42:14 >> That makes it definitely in service to
00:42:15 what he was.
00:42:16 >> Well, yes, there was a state I wasn’t
00:42:19 correcting. I was making a statement to
00:42:21 add
00:42:22 >> clarity and and
00:42:24 >> well, I still think the ultimate purpose
00:42:27 was
00:42:29 uh to bring people to him and his
00:42:33 >> now the prophecy part is to have help
00:42:36 people recognize him,
00:42:39 >> right?
00:42:41 Right.
00:42:41 >> And also to show
00:42:44 that he is Yahawah because the dumb
00:42:48 idols can’t do that.
00:42:50 >> Correct.
00:42:50 >> No, not even mortal smart mortals can
00:42:53 really do that.
00:42:56 >> Yep.
00:42:57 >> Oh.
00:42:57 >> All right. So anyways, so on to what
00:43:00 were you ordained? to preach my gospel
00:43:03 by the spirit, even the comforter,
00:43:06 which was sent forth to teach the truth.
00:43:10 >> Okay. So, well, let’s talk about this.
00:43:12 What is the spirit, even the comforter?
00:43:15 >> Torah.
00:43:16 >> Torah.
00:43:17 >> Yeah. You are to preach by my laws.
00:43:23 >> Yep. which when you keep them give you
00:43:26 comfort as in in lectures on faith uh
00:43:30 from Joseph Smith which was in the DNC
00:43:34 which was voted into the DNC the proper
00:43:37 way
00:43:38 >> right
00:43:40 >> it gives you comfort when you keep it
00:43:42 and when you know what you’re doing what
00:43:44 you’re supposed to you can have faith
00:43:47 unto salvation I think that one’s
00:43:48 lecture three
00:43:50 >> yes
00:43:51 >> I think that one’s lecture three but
00:43:53 anyways And that’s that’s quite a
00:43:55 comfort.
00:43:56 >> Yeah.
00:43:57 >> Oh, anyways.
00:43:58 >> Yeah. And a comforter, right?
00:44:00 >> Yeah.
00:44:02 >> And then
00:44:03 >> received ye spirits which he could not
00:44:06 understand
00:44:07 and received them to be of Elohim.
00:44:11 And in this are ye justified?
00:44:13 >> No. So, let’s talk about this. So, when
00:44:16 you’re still learning
00:44:19 um
00:44:20 Okay. So, it’s a lot easier to deceive a
00:44:22 child than it is an adult, right?
00:44:25 >> Yeah.
00:44:25 >> Because because children basically
00:44:28 children haven’t learned not to believe.
00:44:33 >> Well, I I would actually disagree with
00:44:35 that. They actually have
00:44:39 >> because they do it all the time. I don’t
00:44:40 know about your kids, Ben, but
00:44:43 >> fair enough.
00:44:44 >> Disbelieving all the time. The the thing
00:44:46 is though, what I’m trying to get at is
00:44:49 how their
00:44:52 mental capacity and their knowledge is
00:44:54 smaller. So that way it is easier to
00:44:57 deceive them,
00:44:58 >> right?
00:44:59 >> Have less less experience.
00:45:01 >> Yeah. Um and they know less too,
00:45:06 >> um and so it’s easy when you know less
00:45:08 as a ch like a child of what actually is
00:45:11 true.
00:45:13 >> It’s a lot. you you’re more easily
00:45:15 deceived. Yes.
00:45:17 >> Yeah.
00:45:18 >> And that’s why one of the reasons that
00:45:21 they have parents because parents are to
00:45:23 help them to learn not to be deceived.
00:45:26 >> Right. Right.
00:45:28 >> That’s that’s what parent that’s part of
00:45:30 what parents are supposed to do. Yes.
00:45:33 >> And and in an ideal world, the parents
00:45:37 would not be deceived themselves and
00:45:38 thus could do that.
00:45:40 >> Yes. Uh good point there, Ben. Good
00:45:42 point. in an ideal world. Yes. But we’re
00:45:45 not there.
00:45:46 >> Well, I I So hopefully parents are less
00:45:50 deceived than children. Um but I mean
00:45:53 that might be on a case by case.
00:45:55 >> I don’t know. Have you heard some of the
00:45:57 stuff that’s being pedled on the
00:45:59 internet nowadays? I’m not so sure about
00:46:02 that.
00:46:02 >> That’s a good Anyways, I’m gonna go with
00:46:04 the hope for now.
00:46:06 >> Yeah. Okay. Hope is good. I like hope,
00:46:08 too. Yes. Hope is hope is good. All
00:46:10 right. So, and then he asks this
00:46:12 question at the end of the verse. He
00:46:13 says, “And in this are you justified?”
00:46:15 And he goes back,
00:46:16 >> “Are you justified in being deceived?”
00:46:18 Basically, right?
00:46:20 >> Right.
00:46:20 >> Behold, ye shall answer this question
00:46:23 yourselves. Nevertheless,
00:46:26 >> ye shall answer this question yourselves
00:46:28 is what it says.
00:46:30 >> Yeah, that’s what I just said.
00:46:31 >> Oh, I thought I heard you said you don’t
00:46:33 answer this question.
00:46:34 >> No, you shall. You said
00:46:36 >> Oh. Oh, okay. Okay.
00:46:37 >> It’s a miss here. It’s okay. I’m I’m I’m
00:46:40 good. I’m I’m
00:46:41 >> That’s just
00:46:42 >> Yeah.
00:46:43 >> Nevertheless,
00:46:44 I will be merciful unto you.
00:46:47 >> Okay. So, he answered it right there.
00:46:51 >> Yeah, he did.
00:46:52 >> He said, “No, you’re not.”
00:46:55 >> Yeah. He was being very polite about it.
00:46:58 Right.
00:46:58 >> Right. Absolutely.
00:47:00 >> Uh the reason they needed mercy for that
00:47:02 is because it was not according to the
00:47:04 law, which is what’s going on there. Are
00:47:06 you justified being uh when you’re
00:47:09 justified is when you’re doing it by the
00:47:10 law?
00:47:11 >> Right.
00:47:12 >> And he they needed mercy because they
00:47:15 weren’t
00:47:15 >> they weren’t being according to the law.
00:47:19 >> So,
00:47:19 >> right,
00:47:20 >> the answer comes back and says
00:47:22 >> about it.
00:47:23 >> Yep. And then he comes back and he says,
00:47:24 “He that is weak among you hereafter
00:47:26 shall be made strong.”
00:47:30 Uh, and I’m going to put an asterisk
00:47:32 there as long as you uh come under his
00:47:34 covering and keep his ways.
00:47:36 >> Wait, I think I think the first word of
00:47:38 the whole section answers
00:47:41 that.
00:47:44 >> As long as hearken
00:47:49 >> All right, let’s see here.
00:47:50 >> Let me let me scroll up real quick.
00:47:52 There you go.
00:47:52 >> All right. Uh, verily I say unto you, he
00:47:56 that is ordained of me and sent forth to
00:47:58 preach the word of truth by the
00:48:01 comforter in the spirit of truth, doth
00:48:04 he preach it by the spirit of truth or
00:48:08 some other way.
00:48:09 >> Does he by the behavior of truth or
00:48:13 Torah or does he preach it by some other
00:48:17 way?
00:48:17 >> Right? And if it was also add, do you do
00:48:21 you use the laws to teach the truth or
00:48:23 are you using um some deceptions?
00:48:29 >> And basically 18 says if you’re using
00:48:32 anything other than Torah and the
00:48:36 um actions of Torah, then it’s not of
00:48:40 me.
00:48:43 >> And verse 18 basically says that and if
00:48:45 it be by some other way, it is not of
00:48:46 Elohim.
00:48:48 It just isn’t.
00:48:50 >> And I think it’s interesting he uses
00:48:51 Elohim because Elohim is the judge.
00:48:54 >> Uhhuh. Yeah.
00:48:57 >> Right.
00:48:58 >> And again, he that receiveth the word of
00:49:01 truth, death, he receive it by the
00:49:03 spirit of truth or some other way. If it
00:49:05 be by some other way, it is not of
00:49:07 Elohim.
00:49:08 >> Same basic idea, right? If it’s not
00:49:12 done,
00:49:14 just for example, if you do something
00:49:16 good, but for the wrong reason, it’s
00:49:18 accounted on to you for wickedness.
00:49:20 >> Right. Right. Which is why I don’t agree
00:49:22 with with the line that people like to
00:49:25 use in movies a lot, which is sometimes
00:49:28 you got to do bad things to get to a
00:49:30 good place. No, you don’t.
00:49:32 >> Yeah. The end does not justify the means
00:49:35 because that’s
00:49:35 >> right. No. And that’s exactly what that
00:49:38 the doctrine that’s highlighted in that
00:49:40 phrase.
00:49:42 >> Yes. Oh, wait. Who else? Who was who was
00:49:45 uh Oh, Makaveli was very was very uh
00:49:49 insistent on that line of thinking.
00:49:53 >> All right. Anyways, therefore, why is it
00:49:56 that you cannot understand and know that
00:49:59 he that receiveth the word by the spirit
00:50:02 of truth receiveth it as it is preached
00:50:05 by the spirit of truth.
00:50:09 Wherefore he that preacheth, and he that
00:50:12 receiveth
00:50:14 understand one another, and both are
00:50:17 edified, and rejoice together.
00:50:21 Now, uh I So, the spirit of truth is
00:50:25 Yeshua and Torah,
00:50:27 >> and those are
00:50:30 bringing out what is good and evil.
00:50:32 >> Yep.
00:50:33 >> So, if you’re using um evil things to
00:50:38 try to prove good, that it doesn’t work.
00:50:41 It will crumble. That’s to some extent.
00:50:45 Not exactly. Uh but I’m just going to
00:50:47 use this uh standing on sand instead of
00:50:49 a rock. Yes.
00:50:51 >> Yes. Yep.
00:50:53 Which is actually
00:50:54 >> the more of the the more So would you
00:50:57 say then that the more of the traditions
00:50:59 of men that you have sprinkled into your
00:51:01 teachings, the more sandy your
00:51:03 foundation is?
00:51:05 >> Um yeah, that’s
00:51:06 >> so the reason I I don’t want to say
00:51:08 fully is because
00:51:10 >> when you go look at this parable of the
00:51:12 rock and the sand,
00:51:14 >> the rock is the full truth. The sand is
00:51:17 the little pieces that you want to chip
00:51:19 off and hold on to instead of having the
00:51:22 hole.
00:51:23 >> Right.
00:51:24 >> Okay.
00:51:24 >> So, I I probably need to use a better
00:51:26 analogy, but I’m just doing this off the
00:51:28 cuff. So,
00:51:32 >> I understand what you’re saying, Ben.
00:51:33 I’m just trying to be careful because I
00:51:35 know what the rock and sand is. Okay.
00:51:38 >> Yeah. But
00:51:40 >> but I will say that verse 23 kind of
00:51:42 highlights that and that which doth not
00:51:44 edify is not of and is darkness.
00:51:48 >> Yeah.
00:51:49 >> Right. So
00:51:51 >> yeah.
00:51:52 >> Yeah.
00:51:54 >> Oh wait I so historically speaking this
00:51:58 is once again going back to those uh
00:52:00 crazy spiritual manifestations which
00:52:03 make people go huh? Well,
00:52:06 >> yeah.
00:52:06 >> Yeah. The ones that just go shaking. I
00:52:09 mean, if the spirit gives you control,
00:52:11 which come on considering if the spirit
00:52:14 is Torah and Torah it tells you how you
00:52:18 are to act and behave, which was within
00:52:21 which gets you to control yourself, why
00:52:24 would something that’s making it so
00:52:26 you’re not controlling yourself be of
00:52:28 the spirit,
00:52:29 >> right? Uh, and why would and how would
00:52:32 uh how would suddenly breaking forth
00:52:34 into battle
00:52:36 um be
00:52:39 how is that intended to instruct and
00:52:42 improve the mind in knowledge?
00:52:43 Generally,
00:52:45 >> it it it doesn’t and so it’s actually
00:52:48 and I think
00:52:51 my opinion of this is what what people
00:52:53 call the gift of tongues is not it’s
00:52:55 Babel. It’s bringing the curse back from
00:52:58 the tower.
00:53:00 um
00:53:01 >> or wickedness. Um and
00:53:05 um
00:53:07 that’s not edifying anybody.
00:53:09 >> No one is getting them to understand the
00:53:12 truth. If it’s something in an unknown
00:53:14 tongue, how is anybody understanding and
00:53:16 learning from it? They’re not
00:53:18 >> right. They’re not. And really
00:53:21 >> on this, I do want to say one other
00:53:23 thing. Sorry. Um, it’s
00:53:27 the gift of expounding tongues, not
00:53:30 translating tongues. There’s a big
00:53:33 difference,
00:53:34 >> right?
00:53:35 >> Uh, just I’m just going to say that the
00:53:39 just the name of the other gift brings
00:53:41 out how it’s not an unknown tongue. So,
00:53:44 I’ll leave it at that.
00:53:45 >> Correct. Right. Right. I I wanted to
00:53:47 spend some time on the definition of the
00:53:49 word edify
00:53:52 so that way people can’t misunderstand
00:53:55 that word. What does it mean to edify?
00:53:58 Well, one is to build. Two is to
00:54:02 instruct and improve the mind and
00:54:04 knowledge generally and particularly in
00:54:06 moral and religious knowledge.
00:54:09 >> Well, okay. So I I will put um
00:54:12 >> in faith and holiness.
00:54:14 >> Ora does that.
00:54:16 >> Yes, it does.
00:54:17 >> And then the one that’s not used to
00:54:19 teach or persuade.
00:54:23 >> Well, and number one is not used
00:54:25 nowadays because
00:54:26 >> yeah,
00:54:27 >> trust me, nobody gets that.
00:54:30 >> But yeah,
00:54:32 >> two goes along with teaching
00:54:34 righteousness, right? Which is
00:54:36 >> right.
00:54:37 >> Yeah.
00:54:38 >> Yep. So,
00:54:40 >> which is pretty cool.
00:54:44 >> Josh,
00:54:45 >> huh?
00:54:45 >> Do you remember what you wanted to say?
00:54:48 >> Well, I had already said it.
00:54:50 >> Oh, okay.
00:54:51 >> But you didn’t hear it because you were
00:54:54 you’re getting ready to say something
00:54:55 else. So, but but I and I and now I
00:54:57 can’t even remember what I said. So,
00:54:58 it’s all good. It’s It’s all I’m good.
00:55:01 I’m good.
00:55:03 >> Verse 24 then.
00:55:04 >> Yep.
00:55:06 that which is of Elohim is light.
00:55:09 >> Okay. So
00:55:11 light means Torah. Um and from the Old
00:55:15 Testament, there’s a couple verses that
00:55:16 shows that.
00:55:18 >> So Torah, so Elohim gives Torah. Elohim
00:55:21 is a judge and he judges what is right
00:55:24 >> according to his law.
00:55:26 >> Yeah. According to his law. So yeah. And
00:55:29 he that receiveth light
00:55:32 >> or Torah
00:55:32 >> Torah
00:55:33 >> and continuth in Elohim receiveth more
00:55:37 light or Torah.
00:55:40 >> Yeah. And this goes along with my
00:55:42 favorite one for this Elma
00:55:45 129 through 111.
00:55:48 >> Do we want to look at that real quick?
00:55:50 >> Yeah, let’s go look at it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:53 >> You said Elma 9, right?
00:55:56 >> Uh I did initially, but I changed it to
00:55:58 12. 12 verses 9 through 9 through 11.
00:56:03 >> Yeah. 9 through 11.
00:56:06 >> All right. And now
00:56:07 >> I’ll read I’ll read
00:56:08 >> I’ll read this one. I’ll read this one.
00:56:10 >> Okay.
00:56:11 >> Give you a little break. And now Elma
00:56:13 began to expound these things unto him,
00:56:15 saying, “It is given unto many to know
00:56:17 the mysteries of Elohim.
00:56:20 Nevertheless, they are laid under a
00:56:22 strict command, that they shall not
00:56:24 impart only according to the portion of
00:56:27 his word, which he doth grant unto the
00:56:29 children of men, according to the
00:56:33 hearkening or heed and diligence which
00:56:36 they give unto him.
00:56:38 >> There we go. And that’s a key. And then
00:56:40 the next thought verses talk about uh
00:56:43 when you don’t do that, you lose it.
00:56:45 Which goes along with what we read in
00:56:47 DNC.
00:56:48 >> Yeah. Mhm.
00:56:49 >> Only in reverse.
00:56:51 >> Yeah, the same.
00:56:52 >> Yeah, he he
00:56:54 and uh let’s see here.
00:56:58 >> It’s reversed. It’s completely reversed.
00:57:01 >> Well, the other one’s kind of implied,
00:57:03 but there is more a focus in the Elma 9
00:57:05 one to lose than to gain. But
00:57:07 >> right, that’s that’s what I’m saying.
00:57:08 It’s completely and whereas here in in
00:57:11 the doctrine of covenant section 50 it’s
00:57:13 talking about receiving more and more
00:57:14 and more until you are perfected
00:57:18 >> right but it goes along how uh the lie
00:57:21 is Torah because
00:57:23 >> yes
00:57:24 >> commandments
00:57:25 um then you get more because in Elma 12
00:57:28 it talks about breaking the commandments
00:57:30 and losing it. Right.
00:57:31 >> Right. Losing even that which you have.
00:57:34 Yes.
00:57:36 So I I mean it may sound weird that with
00:57:40 some of these ties I’m doing, but when
00:57:42 you’re more familiar with the
00:57:43 scriptures,
00:57:45 it makes perfect sense.
00:57:47 >> Yes,
00:57:48 >> it does.
00:57:49 >> All right, let’s see here.
00:57:51 >> It does go against the natural man,
00:57:53 which
00:57:53 >> it does.
00:57:55 >> It completely And then and and and
00:57:56 here’s the thing that people need to
00:57:59 understand. Just because you hear an
00:58:01 idea and it makes you uncomfortable
00:58:05 right now does not mean that it is not
00:58:08 true.
00:58:11 >> What you mean?
00:58:12 >> You need to test it.
00:58:14 >> Dissonance maybe.
00:58:16 >> Yeah. You need to test it. You need to
00:58:19 study it out.
00:58:23 >> And you need to get a good teacher. And
00:58:25 you need to be willing. You need to have
00:58:28 that broken heart and contrite spirit
00:58:30 and be willing to listen to the light or
00:58:35 Torah.
00:58:36 >> Yeah.
00:58:37 >> That Elohim wants to impart to you.
00:58:41 >> Yeah.
00:58:43 >> And as you do this, he will impart more
00:58:47 and more and more
00:58:49 >> until you are like him.
00:58:53 >> The perfect day.
00:58:56 >> Right. Yeah.
00:58:58 So just because an idea feels
00:59:01 uncomfortable because it goes against
00:59:03 everything that you’ve ever been told
00:59:05 does not necessarily mean that it’s
00:59:07 automatically untrue.
00:59:09 >> Right. It just um there’s a lot Satan
00:59:12 has deceived the world.
00:59:14 >> Yes,
00:59:14 >> he has.
00:59:15 >> Yes.
00:59:16 >> And here’s the thing. Yah has allowed
00:59:19 it.
00:59:20 >> Yeah. according to the uh according to
00:59:24 the desire of men’s hearts
00:59:26 >> and according to what we read in 2
00:59:28 Thessalonians, this allowance is a
00:59:30 judgment in and of itself.
00:59:32 >> Yep.
00:59:33 >> Yeah.
00:59:35 >> 25. And again, verily I say unto you,
00:59:39 and I say it that you may know the truth
00:59:42 or Torah, that you may chase darkness
00:59:46 from among you, which is everything that
00:59:48 is not Torah
00:59:49 >> or wickedness. That it does
00:59:52 >> sinfulness, wickedness.
00:59:54 >> Yeah, it Torah does repel that.
00:59:57 >> Yeah, it does. And here’s the great
00:59:59 thing about Torah that I have found over
01:00:02 the last couple of years as I’ve been on
01:00:05 my journey learning about it. The more
01:00:07 you live by Torah,
01:00:09 the less desire you have for the things
01:00:12 of the world. That’s the repellent part,
01:00:18 >> right? and and the less you care
01:00:21 about the things of the world because
01:00:24 now your focus is shifted,
01:00:30 might I add, to where it should be.
01:00:34 >> Yeah. All right. Verse 26. He that is
01:00:39 ordained of Elohim and sent forth, the
01:00:42 same is appointed to be the greatest,
01:00:45 notwithstanding, he is the least and the
01:00:48 servant of all.
01:00:51 >> Reteing the lesson that he taught his
01:00:53 disciples or his apostles
01:00:56 after they were having an argument about
01:00:59 who’s the greatest among us,
01:01:01 >> who’s the greatest. He’s like,
01:01:04 >> “He who is the greatest, let him be the
01:01:06 servant of all.”
01:01:08 >> He said, “Let him who is the greatest be
01:01:11 the servant of all.”
01:01:12 >> Yep.
01:01:13 >> And then he showed them the perfect
01:01:17 example.
01:01:18 >> Yeah. No, I will say I think this is
01:01:20 bringing out how
01:01:23 you become great.
01:01:25 >> You help others as in going back to the
01:01:29 purpose of life. My and I think this
01:01:32 next verse ties the two great
01:01:35 commandments together beautifully
01:01:38 because
01:01:39 >> the two great commandments are to love
01:01:41 Elo Yahweh Elohim with all our heart,
01:01:45 might, mind, and strength. And the
01:01:46 second great commandment is to love our
01:01:48 neighbor as oursel. Right? Wherefore he
01:01:51 is possessor of all things. All things
01:01:53 is often a reference to Torah.
01:01:57 So let’s uh it probably is here too.
01:02:02 >> Yeah.
01:02:03 >> So wherefore is the possessor of all
01:02:05 things Torah for all things are subject
01:02:09 unto him both in heaven and on the
01:02:11 earth. The life and the light, the
01:02:13 spirit and the power sent forth by the
01:02:16 will of the father through Yeshua
01:02:20 Hamashiach his son.
01:02:24 That is deep.
01:02:26 >> That is beautiful.
01:02:30 But no man is possessor of all things
01:02:33 except
01:02:35 here’s the condition.
01:02:38 He be purified and cleansed from all
01:02:41 sin, which means coming under Yeshua’s
01:02:43 covering.
01:02:44 >> Yeah. Well, and then also I do believe
01:02:47 this talking about the baptism of the
01:02:48 Holy Spirit, which is baptism of Torah.
01:02:51 So those who have Torah have been
01:02:53 baptized with Torah.
01:02:56 >> Yeah.
01:02:56 >> Yeah.
01:02:57 >> Aka
01:02:58 >> sounds funny, but I all I do believe all
01:03:01 things
01:03:01 >> is this is this a reference possibly to
01:03:05 sanctification?
01:03:06 >> Yeah, that’s it’s sanctification.
01:03:08 >> Absolutely.
01:03:09 >> Right. Because it says in verse 29
01:03:11 >> because I was reading ahead a little bit
01:03:13 and this is what led me to ask that
01:03:15 question. And if you are purified and
01:03:17 cleansed from all sin, you shall ask
01:03:18 whatsoever you will in the name of
01:03:20 Yeshua, and it shall be done.
01:03:22 >> That’s sanctification. Absolutely.
01:03:24 >> That’s that’s sanctification.
01:03:26 >> Yeah. Uh and this is a really
01:03:31 I do like that. It’s u if you are
01:03:36 purified and cleansed from all sin,
01:03:39 you shall ask whatsoever you will in the
01:03:41 name of Yeshua.
01:03:43 Yeah,
01:03:44 >> I think that is the important thing is
01:03:46 that at that point his will and our will
01:03:49 have merged
01:03:50 >> are completely aligned.
01:03:52 >> Name goes to character. So
01:03:54 >> yeah,
01:03:56 >> you’re as in you’re going to ask for
01:03:57 what he wants.
01:03:59 >> Correct.
01:04:00 >> So
01:04:00 >> right because that’s because your wills
01:04:03 your your wills
01:04:06 >> your or your will has become completely
01:04:08 aligned with his will.
01:04:10 >> Right. I’m just
01:04:11 >> You would not ask anything out of his
01:04:13 character.
01:04:14 >> I was just bringing a connecting point
01:04:16 of the name to character help Ben’s
01:04:18 point.
01:04:19 >> Yeah. Well, and that totally
01:04:21 crystallized it. So, thank you. Yeah,
01:04:23 that that that helped. Yeah.
01:04:27 Um, but know this, it shall be given you
01:04:31 what you shall ask, and as you are
01:04:34 appointed
01:04:35 to the head,
01:04:37 the spirits shall be subject unto you.
01:04:40 Mhm.
01:04:42 >> So this is actually
01:04:46 this is actually referring
01:04:49 to something that happens
01:04:52 uh to something that can happen and it
01:04:54 also refers to something that happens
01:04:56 all the time. When we read Torah, we see
01:04:59 the things for which we can ask.
01:05:02 M
01:05:03 >> well I I think more this is going off of
01:05:06 one of the promises in Deuteronomy uh 26
01:05:10 28 29 that when you are a keeper of
01:05:13 Torah you become the head or the leader.
01:05:16 >> Yes.
01:05:16 >> The souls shall be subject unto you
01:05:19 because you are the leader.
01:05:20 >> Yeah.
01:05:21 >> This is a promise from Torah as I see
01:05:23 it. So
01:05:24 >> yeah.
01:05:25 >> Okay. All right. That okay. That makes
01:05:27 sense.
01:05:27 >> Not at all. Okay.
01:05:28 >> All right. Wherefore it shall come to
01:05:31 pass that if you behold a spirit
01:05:33 manifested that you cannot understand,
01:05:36 and you receive not that spirit, ye
01:05:38 shall ask of the father in the name of
01:05:41 Yeshua.
01:05:42 And if he give not unto you that spirit,
01:05:46 then you may know that it is not of
01:05:49 Elohim.
01:05:51 >> So now this is talking about a specific
01:05:54 group of people that this applies to
01:05:57 sanctified. It’s not just anybody and
01:05:59 everybody that can do this and get this
01:06:02 answer. Right.
01:06:03 >> Right.
01:06:03 >> Right.
01:06:07 >> That yes, this can apply to you, but
01:06:10 there are some requirements for it to
01:06:12 apply to you. Same.
01:06:14 >> Go back to verse 29.
01:06:16 >> Yeah. You have to go back to verses 28
01:06:18 and 29.
01:06:19 >> Yeah. because that all of this after
01:06:22 this is in a lot of this and after that
01:06:25 is in um context of that.
01:06:29 >> Right.
01:06:29 >> Yeah.
01:06:30 >> Right.
01:06:31 >> So I just I’m just bringing it up
01:06:33 because I know
01:06:36 >> Yeah.
01:06:37 >> There’s a lot of people who mean well
01:06:39 that don’t know well. I’ll leave it at
01:06:40 that.
01:06:41 >> Yeah. Right. Yes. Yes. Uh, and it shall
01:06:45 be given unto you power over that
01:06:48 spirit, and you shall proclaim against
01:06:50 that spirit with a loud voice, that it
01:06:52 is not of Elohim,
01:06:55 not with railing accusation, that ye be
01:06:59 not overcome, neither with boasting nor
01:07:01 rejoicing, lest you be seized therewith.
01:07:04 >> Yeah. So, don’t be a jerk about it, but
01:07:08 right,
01:07:08 >> call it out.
01:07:10 >> Be firm. It’s basically saying, be firm.
01:07:13 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:07:14 Right.
01:07:16 Um, he that receiveth of Elohim, let him
01:07:20 account it of Elohim,
01:07:22 >> and let him rejoice that he has
01:07:24 accounted of Elohim worthy to receive.
01:07:30 And by giving heed,
01:07:31 >> those who receive and and and understand
01:07:34 through Elohim and his Torah what is
01:07:36 right and what is wrong be rejoice
01:07:39 because he will be numbered accounted
01:07:44 >> Elohim as in being the kingdom of
01:07:46 heaven,
01:07:47 >> right?
01:07:50 >> That’s pretty cool, right? I mean,
01:07:51 that’s comforting.
01:07:53 >> I would think that would be comforting.
01:07:54 >> I mean, I like the kingdom of heaven. I
01:07:56 I mean, well, I don’t know what it is
01:07:58 yet, but anyway.
01:08:00 But hey, yeah, exactly. Um, and by
01:08:04 giving heed and doing these things which
01:08:06 you have received and which he shall
01:08:08 hereafter receive, and the kingdom is
01:08:11 given you of the father, and power to
01:08:13 overcome all things which are not
01:08:15 ordained of him
01:08:18 by giving heed and doing these things
01:08:21 which ye have received.
01:08:25 Well, look, I talked about the kingdom
01:08:27 and here he is saying the kingdom,
01:08:29 right? I didn’t read ahead
01:08:31 >> and over you have the power to overcome
01:08:34 men. So, Israel is those who have
01:08:38 wrestled with uh Yahw and men and have
01:08:42 overcome.
01:08:44 >> Yes,
01:08:46 >> Israel. But it’s uh but it’s but that
01:08:48 and that power is that power is to be
01:08:51 found in giving heed
01:08:53 >> and doing those things that
01:08:56 >> ye have received and which you will
01:09:00 receive.
01:09:01 >> You mean faith?
01:09:02 >> I agree.
01:09:03 >> You mean faith.
01:09:05 >> Those things help you overcome men.
01:09:08 >> Yep.
01:09:08 >> Yes.
01:09:08 >> You you mean actual real faith.
01:09:11 >> Yes.
01:09:12 >> Yeah. Which is trust in his word and
01:09:14 diligence. Diligent diligence and
01:09:16 obedience. Yes.
01:09:19 >> All right. Verse 36. And behold, verily
01:09:22 I say unto you, blessed are you who are
01:09:25 now hearing these words of mine from the
01:09:28 mouth of my servant.
01:09:30 >> Oh, for your sins are forgiven. You most
01:09:33 beautiful words ever spoken.
01:09:36 >> So that that is talking about the group
01:09:38 that heard the revelation through uh
01:09:41 Joseph Smith’s mouth.
01:09:42 >> Yep. Um not not us
01:09:45 >> not us personally, right? Yeah. No, he’s
01:09:49 speaking about a specific group of
01:09:50 people.
01:09:51 >> Clarifier now. Right now is not now. So
01:09:55 I mean yeah, there’s a timeline going
01:09:57 on.
01:09:58 >> Right. Right.
01:09:59 >> Let my servant Joseph Wakefield in whom
01:10:03 I am well pleased and my servant Parley
01:10:05 P. Pratt go forth among the churches and
01:10:08 strengthen them by the word of
01:10:10 exhortation. Make them
01:10:13 in the dictionary real quick.
01:10:15 >> Exhortation.
01:10:17 >> Yeah, I’m just I have it.
01:10:19 >> No, you’re good. You’re good. Always
01:10:22 good to be so solid.
01:10:25 The form of words intended to incite and
01:10:28 encourage advice or counsel. The act of
01:10:31 practice of exhorting, the act of
01:10:33 inciting to laudable deeds, incitement
01:10:36 to that which is good
01:10:38 >> to encourage. Basically, they’re told to
01:10:40 go and encourage the church to do what
01:10:43 is right. Correct.
01:10:46 >> Right.
01:10:48 >> And also my servant John Coral, or as
01:10:50 many of my servants as are ordained unto
01:10:53 this office, and let them labor in the
01:10:56 vineyard, and let no man hinder them
01:10:58 doing that which I have appointed unto
01:11:00 them.
01:11:00 >> Might I add something real quick? It
01:11:03 does state, “And strengthen them by the
01:11:06 word of exhortation.” The word of
01:11:08 exhortation is Torah
01:11:10 in this context.
01:11:13 >> Yeah.
01:11:15 >> Yeah. If only they’d understood that.
01:11:17 That would have been that would have
01:11:18 been
01:11:19 >> Yeah. If they’d understood that, that
01:11:20 would have been great. Yeah. But they
01:11:21 didn’t, unfortunately.
01:11:25 >> We all have learned things because of
01:11:27 other people. And Joseph Smith was not
01:11:30 to restore everything. He did restore
01:11:32 things that have helped us understand
01:11:34 things.
01:11:35 >> Yep.
01:11:36 Well, we’re not trying to build up a
01:11:38 church and everything else that he did.
01:11:40 Um, also, it’s just a a different
01:11:44 timing. So, let’s just be careful. Okay.
01:11:48 >> All right. Um, wherefore in this thing
01:11:51 my servant Edward Partridge
01:11:56 is not justified. Nevertheless, let him
01:11:58 repent and he shall be forgiven.
01:12:02 >> Well, this sucks because everybody So
01:12:05 that’s basically everybody got forgiven
01:12:07 by him.
01:12:09 >> Yeah.
01:12:10 >> Because Edward
01:12:12 >> Well, but it’s alluded to that he’s not
01:12:14 repentant.
01:12:16 >> Well, he’s been having issues with um
01:12:20 and he gets called out for this same
01:12:23 behavior. I do believe in uh either 101,
01:12:27 103, or 105 for trying to sell Yah’s
01:12:31 property to the enemy.
01:12:35 instead of to a fellow believer.
01:12:38 >> Yeah. But my point is this.
01:12:40 >> Yeah.
01:12:41 >> That when
01:12:43 Yahwa is giving a revelation to a group
01:12:46 of leaders and he says um that everyone
01:12:51 is justified and forgiven except Edward
01:12:53 Partridge. That means that at that time
01:12:55 he was not repentant.
01:12:57 >> Well, no, I agree. I was just merely
01:12:59 adding,
01:13:01 >> you know, clarification.
01:13:02 >> Okay. Okay. I got you.
01:13:04 There’s at least one. We don’t know
01:13:06 everything, but there’s at least one
01:13:09 that John brought out that he’s been
01:13:12 having issues.
01:13:12 >> Right. Right. I got you. I got you. I
01:13:14 got you. He was fraternizing with the
01:13:16 enemy. Got it. Okay.
01:13:17 >> Uh the other thing is this uh what is
01:13:21 this revelation about?
01:13:24 >> We go back
01:13:26 asked. And so it’s in this thing he is
01:13:29 not yet forgiven because because he’s
01:13:32 still trying to hold on to it.
01:13:35 >> Yeah. Okay.
01:13:37 >> Say that again, Ben.
01:13:38 >> His old traditions. He’s still holding
01:13:40 on to it.
01:13:42 >> He’s wanting these spiritual
01:13:44 manifestations. He wants them to be real
01:13:47 and therefore he has not repented.
01:13:49 >> Do you know his background is of that?
01:13:53 >> What’s that? Is that his back religious
01:13:56 background of those things?
01:13:58 >> Uh,
01:14:02 I’m just going off of what the question
01:14:03 is.
01:14:04 >> No. Okay. But just because there’s this
01:14:06 is what the question is, that doesn’t
01:14:08 mean that’s what his background is.
01:14:10 There’s a lot of other things he
01:14:12 >> You’re right. And I’m not sure what his
01:14:14 background was.
01:14:15 >> Okay. So, I’m just bringing up that we
01:14:18 don’t know that’s the case,
01:14:20 >> but
01:14:22 he says in this thing, which is related
01:14:25 to the thing that he was answering the
01:14:28 question.
01:14:29 >> Well, no, but the thing is in verse 38,
01:14:32 not
01:14:34 also my servant John, as many of my
01:14:35 servants have ordained the office, let
01:14:38 them labor in the vineyard and let
01:14:40 >> Okay. Okay.
01:14:41 >> Yes. Cuz there’s a connection. So I
01:14:44 guess he’s hindering them from working
01:14:46 in the vineyard.
01:14:47 >> Yes, that would be because this thing
01:14:49 goes along with what was just said. Not
01:14:52 >> right. Okay, that would be that makes
01:14:54 sense. That makes sense.
01:14:56 >> Yep.
01:14:57 >> Well, it’s I mean, but it’s important to
01:14:59 clarify and make sure that
01:15:01 >> it is.
01:15:02 >> We’re not.
01:15:03 Yeah. All right. Anyways, um behold, ye
01:15:07 are little children and ye cannot bear
01:15:09 all things now. Ye must grow in grace
01:15:13 and in the knowledge of the truth or
01:15:16 Torah.
01:15:17 >> So growing in grace is not continuing to
01:15:20 sin. It’s getting
01:15:22 >> closer to Yeshua and closer to
01:15:24 sanctification. So
01:15:27 >> grace I just want to make sure people
01:15:28 know grace to grace is going from
01:15:30 justification to sanctification
01:15:33 which this gives us imagery of growing
01:15:36 into grace. So he wants them to go from
01:15:38 justification to sanctification,
01:15:41 >> right? Yeah.
01:15:42 >> And he’s basically stating that the way
01:15:44 you do that is in the knowledge of the
01:15:48 truth, otherwise known as Torah.
01:15:51 >> Is he saying that he wants them to
01:15:53 become?
01:15:54 >> Uhhuh.
01:15:55 >> Yes. Yes. Becoming.
01:15:58 >> It’s it’s all about becoming. Yes.
01:16:02 Fear not, little children, for you are
01:16:05 mine, and I have overcome the world.
01:16:09 Yes, he did.
01:16:11 And you are of them that my father hath
01:16:15 given me.
01:16:18 And none of them
01:16:21 >> among. So that that could be taken some
01:16:26 interesting ways just as it knows some
01:16:28 of the future that happened after this.
01:16:30 Right.
01:16:31 >> Yep.
01:16:32 >> Meaning uh and the way that I’m going to
01:16:34 interpret it is not all of them are
01:16:37 >> right.
01:16:38 >> Knowing what happened later, right? But
01:16:40 >> Right. Well, and he says you are of
01:16:42 them. Now, it doesn’t necessarily mean
01:16:44 that you are all of them. Um but I I
01:16:48 agree. I think that’s an interesting
01:16:50 turn of phrase there. Yes.
01:16:53 Yeah. And none of them that my father
01:16:56 hath given me shall be lost. That is
01:16:59 wow. Yeah.
01:17:01 And the father and I are one. I am in
01:17:05 the father and the father in me.
01:17:07 Personages. Modalism. And in as much as
01:17:10 ye have received me, ye are in me and I
01:17:14 in you. Oh my gosh. That is modalism.
01:17:17 >> Becoming.
01:17:20 This is this is where you get that stuff
01:17:22 from uh
01:17:25 where it talks about the Holy Spirit
01:17:27 doctrine of covenant in um lectured on
01:17:30 faith 52 talking about the Holy Spirit
01:17:34 being that how we are one with them in
01:17:38 their mind at will.
01:17:40 >> Right. Yep.
01:17:42 >> But oh wait that ye are in me and I in
01:17:46 you. always becoming.
01:17:49 >> Yes.
01:17:49 >> Becoming as he is. Taking on his
01:17:52 character and becoming as he is.
01:17:55 >> Wherefore I am in your midst and I am
01:18:01 the good shepherd and the stone of
01:18:04 Yeshael.
01:18:06 He that buildeth upon this rock shall
01:18:09 never fall.
01:18:11 And the day cometh that you shall hear
01:18:13 my voice
01:18:17 and see me and know that I am.
01:18:23 Watch therefore that ye may be ready
01:18:27 even so.
01:18:29 I mean,
01:18:30 >> Amen.
01:18:36 >> So promise was always there. The promise
01:18:39 is, but the promise is for all those who
01:18:43 will become
01:18:45 >> Yeshuael, who build upon the stone, who
01:18:48 is Yeshua.
01:18:50 >> It’s always there. It’s always there.
01:18:51 >> It’s always there.
01:18:52 >> That’s the only point.
01:18:54 >> And that promise and and and I love
01:18:56 verse 45,
01:18:59 >> right? In the day that basically saying
01:19:03 in the day you become one with me, you
01:19:05 shall hear my voice.
01:19:08 >> Well, no, no, I’m gonna clarify here.
01:19:11 Um, it’s not when you become one. He
01:19:14 didn’t he’s not specifying when he’s
01:19:16 saying
01:19:19 >> you shall hear my voice and see me.
01:19:21 >> All right. Okay. Fair enough. Fair
01:19:23 enough. Fair enough.
01:19:25 >> Yep.
01:19:26 >> Let him let him let him talk. No, I’m
01:19:28 just saying it’s he’s not saying it’s
01:19:31 the second comforter. Second comforter
01:19:34 is sanctification, which is being told
01:19:36 you have eternal life,
01:19:37 >> right?
01:19:38 >> It’s not seeing him face to face.
01:19:40 >> I didn’t. No, I did not say that.
01:19:43 >> Well, kind of sounded so maybe I
01:19:46 misunderstood you.
01:19:47 >> Yeah, I I believe you did.
01:19:48 >> So,
01:19:50 >> that’s not what I was getting at at all.
01:19:52 >> Okay.
01:19:52 >> He’s just talking about the day that we
01:19:54 actually get to see him,
01:19:56 >> right? and know
01:19:58 >> and that’s gonna be a great and that’s
01:19:59 going to be an awesome day.
01:20:01 >> It will be an awesome day.
01:20:03 >> Um I do know that
01:20:06 um this chapter
01:20:11 or this section has just become very
01:20:13 much alive uh to me tonight just and
01:20:19 it’s all about becoming folks. This
01:20:22 chapter is letting them know that there
01:20:25 are people in the church that are that
01:20:28 are wicked.
01:20:30 They need to find them and they need to
01:20:32 get evidence so that they can kick them
01:20:34 out of their midst.
01:20:35 >> Mhm.
01:20:38 >> This is how the church is to be run. If
01:20:44 a man is an unrepentant sinner, he is to
01:20:48 be cast out lest the uh lest
01:20:53 destruction come
01:20:55 >> to the church and
01:20:57 >> church.
01:20:58 >> I’m sorry. The church was destroyed.
01:21:00 >> And the church was destroyed.
01:21:02 >> It was destroyed.
01:21:02 >> They had to leave the good land.
01:21:06 >> They were cut off and cast out.
01:21:10 >> Yeah. And it it’s been an apostasy for
01:21:14 quite a while.
01:21:15 >> Yeah. And there’s still and and and and
01:21:16 it’s still under condemnation. Yes.
01:21:18 >> Oh, absolutely.
01:21:21 >> The curse has never been lifted even
01:21:23 through a false prophet.
01:21:26 >> Well, especially through false prophet
01:21:29 or getting the point, not even a false I
01:21:30 should say it a little different. Not
01:21:31 even a false prophet has claimed that’s
01:21:33 been lifted. Maybe that’s a better way
01:21:35 to put it.
01:21:36 >> Yeah.
01:21:36 >> Yeah.
01:21:37 >> Yeah. No, this this church, the church
01:21:40 of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is
01:21:43 a condemned church.
01:21:45 >> Well, it’s a condemned
01:21:49 >> I I would say pretty much all the
01:21:51 restoration churches are.
01:21:55 >> The restoration is a condemned building.
01:21:57 >> Yeah.
01:21:58 >> Yeah. According to Joseph Smith’s last
01:22:00 stream, it is.
01:22:01 >> It is. It’s falling apart.
01:22:04 >> Yeah.
01:22:05 >> Oh. So anyway,
01:22:07 >> better than Jose Smith. Good luck on
01:22:09 that.
01:22:10 >> Yeah, I will say this.
01:22:14 What I’ve learned from this section and
01:22:16 study of this section tonight, brothers
01:22:18 and sisters, is this is that
01:22:22 we need to become
01:22:25 we need to become so that we may be
01:22:29 that we may fulfill the will of Yahwa.
01:22:32 And that is to come unto him with a
01:22:35 broken heart, contrite spirit,
01:22:38 take his law upon us,
01:22:41 live it, give heed and diligence to it,
01:22:45 hearken unto it, which is yes. All of
01:22:48 these words mean the same thing. It is
01:22:51 to do so that you may become
01:22:55 one with
01:23:00 our savior and our redeemer.
01:23:02 >> And might I add
01:23:04 >> our and
01:23:06 who is the
01:23:07 >> and may I add
01:23:10 >> that part of becoming is to help others
01:23:12 to do the same thing that we are
01:23:14 striving to do.
01:23:15 >> Correct.
01:23:17 Absolutely correct.
01:23:21 Uh there’s I don’t know where but in the
01:23:23 DNC Yahweh says open your mouth.
01:23:27 >> You cannot become on an island.
01:23:30 >> No.
01:23:35 >> So I I just I encourage you brothers and
01:23:39 sisters find yourself a good teacher.
01:23:44 You have the faces of three good
01:23:47 teachers on this Zoom call.
01:23:51 >> Well, Ben, get your your mug over here.
01:23:54 >> Ben, get your mug over here.
01:24:00 >> Yeah, you have the faces here
01:24:05 of four good teachers.
01:24:10 We live Torah. We love Torah. We love
01:24:15 Yah. And we live in Ya, our Elohim. He
01:24:21 is our judge.
01:24:23 >> And we teach Torah from an emphasis on
01:24:27 Yeshua.
01:24:28 >> Yes.
01:24:30 Without him, it doesn’t matter.
01:24:31 >> Yeah.
01:24:32 >> Right.
01:24:32 >> None of it. None of it matters.
01:24:34 >> I don’t know about you guys, but I have
01:24:35 s I I need him even if I
01:24:38 >> Oh my goodness. Without without without
01:24:41 Torah, I stand condemned by the law.
01:24:46 Should have been stoned several times.
01:24:49 >> Well, yes,
01:24:51 >> without hundreds of times probably in my
01:24:54 case. But anyways, um
01:24:56 >> but thanks but thanks to his atonement
01:25:01 I and all of us here on this Zoom call
01:25:04 have the opportunity and you too have
01:25:07 the opportunity to repent. Repent means
01:25:12 come back to Torah,
01:25:15 live in Torah and live in Yeshua. So,
01:25:20 you know, a lot of times you hear it it
01:25:23 said in the scriptures, “Come onto me.”
01:25:26 The way that we come unto him is by
01:25:28 walking in his mind and will.
01:25:30 >> Yeah. In his character or name. And his
01:25:34 character is Torah.
01:25:36 >> Yeah.
01:25:37 >> And as you live in his character name,
01:25:42 >> you become as he is.
01:25:45 >> Yep.
01:25:46 >> And that is what this journey is all
01:25:48 about. This is what DN the major lesson
01:25:51 of DNC50. If I would if I would
01:25:55 encourage you to take any lesson from
01:25:56 DNC50, it is to become.
01:26:01 Mhm.
01:26:02 >> And the only way you can become is to
01:26:04 repent, which is turning to Torah and
01:26:07 turning to Yeshua, taking his atonement
01:26:10 upon you, and then giving strict heed
01:26:13 and diligent obedience
01:26:16 to his law, to his name, to his
01:26:19 character.
01:26:20 >> I will add to that. Follow Yeshua even
01:26:25 into the waters of baptism.
01:26:28 >> Amen.
01:26:30 Amen.
01:26:32 >> And be baptized for remission of your
01:26:34 sins.
01:26:37 And you will know that your covenant has
01:26:41 been ratified
01:26:42 when the weight of those sins is lifted
01:26:45 off of you as you come out of the water.
01:26:49 And you will feel the burning peace of
01:26:52 the Holy Spirit. The mind and will of
01:26:54 Yah as it purifies your mind and heart.
01:26:57 helps you to understand that which you
01:27:00 have received.
01:27:06 >> So that is the lesson that I would uh I
01:27:10 would
01:27:12 highly encourage all of you to take from
01:27:14 this. Become as Yeshua. Anything else
01:27:18 you guys want to add?
01:27:20 >> No, that’s that’s very well said.
01:27:23 >> All right. Well, brothers and sisters,
01:27:24 thanks so much for joining us for
01:27:26 another scripture study. I hope you
01:27:27 enjoyed our study of DNC 50. Thank you.
01:27:32 Have a wonderful night and Yahweh bless
01:27:34 you all. All right.