Scripture Study 2025-08-23 Aaronic Priesthood

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Going over the responsibilities of the Aaronic Priesthood. Deacons are like police. Deacons can be women. JST brings out that women are not to rule which shows how the Community of Christ is not keeping with what Joseph Smith restored. Women can teach, call repentance and most important bring people to Yeshua. Women are symbolic of the church, and the church is not to rule it’s head, and the heads are men. Women being deacons is symbolic of what mothers do with their children. Deacons are to be married to one of the opposite sex. How deacons can have children goes along with the minimum age of 25 Hebrew years or 24 Greek years. Symbolism of deacons being married goes with how the church is married to Yah. Deacons are to teach with boldness. With women being able to be deacons, and not other offices, goes against the lawless show The Chosen. We should be bringing out the doctrinal issues. Deacons are to have no part of the sacrament. Offices in the church are done by vote of those who it effects. LDS church have missionaries go on missions to early. Missionaries do not have to be married as taught in 1 Corinthians 7. Teachers are to teach along with other duties. Both Aaronic and Melchizedek are in the Book of Mormon. Teachers are to help members to like each other and do their duty. Aaronic priesthood is basically a flat organization. The fact that only elder is mentioned and not high priest is showing how elder and high priest are the same. Teachers are to have no part of the sacrament. Priesthood was not a big focus in the Book of Mormon. Law of Moses is the punishment that was added to Torah because of grievous sins committed at Siani. Zadok’s descendants will be doing the Torah animal sacrifices when they are restored. Priests are to teach, call repentance, baptism and sacrament along with ordinations. Melchizedek Priesthood was taken away from most members not all members at mount Siani. Priests being in-charge unless there was an elder, goes with how Joseph Smith was an elder when the church was organized. Bishop is to be ordained by the first presidency. The church structured changed as the person who was to be in-charge meet the age requirement. The bishop of the branched is decided by vote. We are not to have a king that behaves like the kings of the pagans. The office of a bishop is a full time job, and the church is to pay him for his time. Bishops are the judges at court cases. Members are to keep the leaders in check according to YHWH’s word. Tithing is to primarily stay in the branch just as Torah teaches to do. The sacrament is a renewal of the covenant you made before you were baptized. With the Aaronic priesthood being the only priesthood with the outward ordinances shows that the LDS / Brighamite temple ceremony is not of YHWH Elohim because they claim it’s done with the Melchizedek priesthood despite the fact it’s an outward ordinance. The inward ordinances are baptism of Fire and baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Melchizedek priesthood is YHWH’s voice, the Aaronic priesthood is YHWH’s hands. The Holy Spirit is Torah. There is only one presidency of the Aaronic priesthood per branch for all offices not three. Literal descendants of Aaron have a right to be the bishop if they meet the other requirements. The presidency of the church is to ordain bishops. We are not to command those who is above us, we are to keep them accountable. Commandments and mysteries are to come from the head. Leaders should be open to constructive criticism. If it is YHWH’s church we should be doing how He specified it is to be done.

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00:00:00 Okay.
00:00:02 >> So, uh Josh has a question for us at
00:00:04 least to start off with. Uh you want to
00:00:08 um bring that up?
00:00:10 >> Yes. So, my my question was um in a in a
00:00:15 Zion like uh atmosphere
00:00:19 um what does the governance what would
00:00:22 the governance of the church
00:00:25 look like? And and I say this knowing
00:00:28 that there are a couple of sections in
00:00:30 the Doctrine and Covenants that put into
00:00:31 black and white exactly what the duties
00:00:34 and responsibilities for the different
00:00:37 um
00:00:38 >> offices
00:00:39 >> offices within the priesthood do. But
00:00:42 how would that look in a practical
00:00:44 application?
00:00:46 >> Yeah. So, uh first of all, uh deacons,
00:00:49 they’re going to be police. Okay.
00:00:52 >> Yep. They’ll be the constables who are
00:00:54 responsible.
00:00:56 You made a rhyme. So, I mean, I should
00:01:00 probably get more, but we can at least
00:01:02 start with what I got here, right?
00:01:04 Correct.
00:01:06 >> Uh because there’s always more. But this
00:01:08 is where I have a shiny object problem.
00:01:11 So, I always go from one thing to
00:01:12 another. So, but
00:01:15 oh, these are teachers. So, let’s go
00:01:17 deacons. Okay. Uh let’s see what deacons
00:01:21 are supposed to do. Okay. Uh always
00:01:24 assist. So basically if there’s um a
00:01:29 teacher or hireer,
00:01:31 they’re not in charge, right?
00:01:33 >> Yep. Correct.
00:01:35 >> Uh so deacons are to help everybody in
00:01:38 their duties. Okay. Right. The other
00:01:40 offices
00:01:41 >> if the case
00:01:43 >> go ahead. Oh
00:01:44 >> no. I said okay.
00:01:46 >> But neither teachers nor deacons have
00:01:47 authority to baptize.
00:01:49 >> Correct. So,
00:01:51 >> or administer the sacrament or lay on
00:01:54 hands.
00:01:55 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, I’m going to get
00:01:56 one thing. U
00:01:59 So, we Let me show this just briefly to
00:02:03 kind of help make this next statement
00:02:05 make some sense, but I’m going to show
00:02:08 my church
00:02:11 governance page. Well, church government
00:02:13 page. Um
00:02:19 >> um let’s go probably not smaller. We
00:02:21 probably want it bigger.
00:02:23 >> Oh, absolutely.
00:02:24 >> There. Um so
00:02:38 yeah, this one.
00:02:41 Okay, I’m gonna pause one second while I
00:02:42 find what I want.
00:02:47 >> Oops, wrong button. Sorry.
00:02:52 >> Yep.
00:02:54 >> Okay. So, there’s because of what’s in
00:02:58 that verse that we looked at, I I want
00:03:00 to bring out a controversy. Okay. Women
00:03:04 can be deacons.
00:03:06 >> Amen.
00:03:06 >> Preached it. Okay. Uh I don’t know how
00:03:09 much we want to get into it but I do
00:03:10 have an SJR or it’s deaconist under
00:03:14 service or servant sorry um
00:03:17 >> well
00:03:18 >> and
00:03:19 >> interesting
00:03:20 >> then probably more importantly is when
00:03:24 you go look at the duties that uh that
00:03:27 Emma was ordained to
00:03:31 >> uh
00:03:32 >> oh yeah
00:03:33 >> this one it goes along with the duties
00:03:36 of the deacons
00:03:37 Warn, expound, tor, teach, exhort,
00:03:41 invite all to come under Messiah. Yeah,
00:03:43 >> that’s right. Teach, and extort.
00:03:46 >> No.
00:03:48 >> So, here’s a few more that goes along
00:03:50 with these. It’s um
00:03:53 >> he came for the things of a better
00:03:55 world.
00:03:56 >> Yeah. And I think that was going to Emma
00:03:58 if I Oh, yeah. That’s Emma section. So,
00:04:00 yeah.
00:04:01 >> Wasn’t that Wasn’t that the revelation
00:04:03 that was given specifically to Emma?
00:04:05 >> Yes. DNC25 is strictly to Emma.
00:04:10 >> Yeah,
00:04:10 >> it’s a giving a pattern. I should
00:04:12 probably maybe add a glyph here and
00:04:15 >> to Emma so that way because I just as
00:04:16 you saw I just forgot. I need Ben’s
00:04:18 long-term memory anyways.
00:04:23 But these are also things that are going
00:04:25 in it and see how um the all of these
00:04:28 going along which was it described in
00:04:31 DNC 20 for the duties of a deacon. Okay.
00:04:37 >> That’s not a small duty by the way.
00:04:40 >> Uh no, it’s not. Um and it is something
00:04:44 that uh the restoration has forgotten
00:04:48 now. Um the RL
00:04:51 >> would you say they’d purpose maybe
00:04:53 purposefully have minimized it?
00:04:55 >> Uh very possibly especially with the
00:04:58 Brigham. I can highly believe that one
00:05:00 because
00:05:02 >> Brigham Young thought women only had one
00:05:04 job and we won’t talk about that.
00:05:09 >> Yeah, we don’t need to go there. Yeah.
00:05:10 Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:11 >> Uh the RLDS church, although they let
00:05:14 women have priesthood, they’re letting
00:05:16 them have too much. And on top of that,
00:05:20 uh, there is,
00:05:24 uh, a JST actually in their Bible that
00:05:28 they have
00:05:30 that they’re going against cuz I forget
00:05:33 which one it is, but uh, I can find it
00:05:35 because I have notes.
00:05:38 Um,
00:05:40 oh, look, there it is. Women are not to
00:05:42 rule.
00:05:45 >> Yes. Right.
00:05:46 >> Yeah. The actual Yeah. The actual Greek
00:05:49 word is not about talking. It’s about
00:05:52 ruling,
00:05:53 >> right?
00:05:53 >> Yeah. And their top leader is a woman.
00:05:59 She’s ruling over men.
00:06:00 >> That does that mean that uh so just a
00:06:04 follow-up question for clarification
00:06:06 purposes. Does that mean that women can
00:06:09 uh can uh the women can give
00:06:12 instruction?
00:06:14 >> Yes. So let’s go see what
00:06:16 >> circumstances.
00:06:18 >> Yes. If they can be deacons and they can
00:06:20 give instruction.
00:06:21 >> Yeah. Let’s go see what they can do as
00:06:23 uh um
00:06:25 >> but giving instruction does not
00:06:27 necessarily mean ruling.
00:06:28 >> Yeah. It’s not ruling. But look, however
00:06:31 they are to war, ex expound, that’s
00:06:34 teaching.
00:06:36 >> Extort. That’s also a form of teaching.
00:06:39 >> Teach. Oh, look that goes with the
00:06:40 expound. And invite all to
00:06:42 >> invite. Okay.
00:06:44 >> Yep. So there, so there we go. Try to
00:06:46 give your dad hugs.
00:06:48 >> Yeah. So I mean that is important to do.
00:06:51 In fact, the most important thing
00:06:54 >> uh help others come on to Yeshua,
00:06:58 >> right?
00:06:58 >> Yes.
00:07:00 >> Yes.
00:07:00 >> The most important thing is not always
00:07:03 being in all of the uh in all of the uh
00:07:06 >> Oh, those
00:07:09 are overrated. Yeah, it the most
00:07:11 important thing is not always being in
00:07:13 the right meetings. It’s all but it but
00:07:16 teaching and helping people become what
00:07:18 they’re supposed to become is far more
00:07:21 important than being in all the quote
00:07:23 unquote right meetings.
00:07:25 >> Correct.
00:07:25 >> Yeah. It’s about becoming it dealing
00:07:29 with all the
00:07:32 nuances is annoying,
00:07:35 >> right? Yeah. And then on top of that, if
00:07:40 anything, if you’re doing it correctly,
00:07:41 you got to know more scriptures to make
00:07:43 sure you’re doing it within the bounds
00:07:44 that you need to do it within.
00:07:46 >> Correct.
00:07:47 >> So, I think I see a symbolic um thing
00:07:50 here, too, at least as far as as as
00:07:52 women in in the church go, right?
00:07:55 Because
00:07:57 women are symbolic of the church.
00:07:59 Correct.
00:08:00 >> Uhhuh. Yes.
00:08:02 >> Okay. So women in the church being
00:08:05 subject and not to rule means that the
00:08:08 church is not to rule its head.
00:08:10 >> Yes. Which is the
00:08:13 which are
00:08:14 >> right
00:08:14 >> symbolically of the man and specifically
00:08:17 the prophet is the man. Yeah.
00:08:20 >> Right. Yes. So I I I I just put that
00:08:23 together in my head while you were
00:08:25 talking. It was just like oh it’s
00:08:27 symbolic.
00:08:28 >> Yeah. Yeah. And then also I think
00:08:30 another uh symbolism thing this also
00:08:32 shows along how uh what mothers do with
00:08:36 children.
00:08:38 >> Yes. Yes. Yes.
00:08:40 >> So uh there’s that connection there
00:08:42 also.
00:08:43 >> Yeah. When mother when mothers are
00:08:45 actually doing their business they uh
00:08:47 they do these things with their
00:08:49 children.
00:08:50 >> Yes. Uh some mothers are better at it
00:08:53 than others as Ben’s bringing out.
00:08:54 Right.
00:08:56 >> Yeah. Yes.
00:08:59 Uh so uh here right here like this one
00:09:02 it says let deacons be husbands of one
00:09:06 wife. If this is a woman it would be the
00:09:09 opposite. Let the woman be married to
00:09:11 one husband. Right.
00:09:13 >> Right.
00:09:13 >> Yeah. We’re we’re not talking about
00:09:15 polyandry here.
00:09:17 >> Uh
00:09:18 >> no that that’s uh adultery. Um
00:09:22 >> and that’s bad.
00:09:23 >> Yeah. I mean that’s just straight out
00:09:25 adultery. Sorry.
00:09:26 >> Yeah. We’ll leave that.
00:09:29 No need to apologize to me. You’re
00:09:31 talking to the choir here.
00:09:32 >> Oh, okay. All right.
00:09:34 >> We’ll leave that to the We’ll leave that
00:09:36 to the FLDS.
00:09:39 >> Uh I don’t think FLDS even does that to
00:09:42 be honest.
00:09:44 >> Not multiple husbands.
00:09:46 >> No, but um Brigham Young claims Joseph’s
00:09:50 uh wife Emma did it among some others,
00:09:53 and I don’t believe it. But anyways,
00:09:54 that’s a whole another subject. Um,
00:09:58 >> so, you know, don’t go off a gritty
00:10:00 looker. Uh, that’s even in the Book of
00:10:03 Mormon also and Torah.
00:10:06 >> Um,
00:10:06 >> yep.
00:10:09 >> That’s uh
00:10:12 near when Jeffro came to visit because
00:10:15 Jeffro was um counseling Moses because
00:10:18 he was new into the leaders.
00:10:20 >> Oh, yeah. Uh I I so I do believe that’s
00:10:25 before Exodus 19. So it’s probably 17 or
00:10:29 18 would be my quick guess. I should add
00:10:32 that here. But anyways, I have too many
00:10:34 shiny objects.
00:10:36 Um
00:10:38 so
00:10:40 >> yeah, uh being uh having trust and
00:10:44 diligence in Yahweh’s word, right? The
00:10:46 faith.
00:10:47 >> Y
00:10:48 >> uh justified, right?
00:10:50 >> Yeah. Oh yeah, justified.
00:10:52 >> Pure conscience justified. Yeah. Okay.
00:10:55 >> The thing is is that um
00:10:59 the thing about justification is that
00:11:01 that’s even a uh that’s even a
00:11:03 prerequisite for the kingdom period.
00:11:06 >> Uh uh true valid point. I think more uh
00:11:09 that they haven’t left their
00:11:11 justification or abandoned. So I think
00:11:14 yeah that was a good point Ben. Yes. I I
00:11:17 I yeah, I tend to agree with they
00:11:19 haven’t left it because it says holding
00:11:21 the mystery of the faith in a pure
00:11:23 conscience. So
00:11:24 >> basically not forgetting their
00:11:27 justification, not leaving it behind.
00:11:30 >> Yeah. Yeah. Correct.
00:11:32 >> Uh it’s an office, so it’s by common
00:11:34 consent. Uh we can look in the uh church
00:11:37 page. Uh
00:11:40 okay. And their spouse needs to be good
00:11:44 in the faith, too.
00:11:45 Yep.
00:11:46 >> Oh, yeah.
00:11:47 >> That’s what this version or
00:11:48 >> No gossips, no no gossips, no
00:11:50 backbiters, no
00:11:52 >> Yeah.
00:11:53 >> things of that nature.
00:11:55 >> Uh, their children are fairly good kids,
00:12:00 right? Showing that they know how to
00:12:02 raise um their children.
00:12:05 >> No, we do need to keep in mind it was
00:12:07 not Adam’s fault that Cain was a
00:12:10 murderer, right? So,
00:12:12 >> yeah, because Kane made his own
00:12:14 decisions. Yes.
00:12:15 >> That’s why it wasn’t Lehi’s fault that
00:12:18 his sons um
00:12:20 >> Lemon and Le
00:12:21 >> Layman and Lemu decided to do whatever
00:12:23 it is they decided to do.
00:12:25 >> Right. Right. So, uh you got to take
00:12:29 some things into account on how they’re
00:12:31 doing their um
00:12:34 their parenting. Also,
00:12:35 >> also one other one other example just
00:12:38 before we move on. Elma the Younger.
00:12:40 Elma the Elder with Elma the Younger
00:12:44 because it was the words of Elma the
00:12:46 Elder that helped Elma the Younger
00:12:50 receive the forgiveness that he so
00:12:52 earnestly sought in that moment of pure
00:12:55 agony.
00:12:56 >> Yes. Um so one thing about this children
00:13:00 uh this goes along the required minimum
00:13:04 age 25 Hebrew.
00:13:07 >> Yeah. Not 12. Yeah. Not 12 there. If
00:13:11 you’re having kids at 12, that’s a
00:13:14 problem.
00:13:14 >> That’s a problem. Yeah. That’s a real
00:13:16 problem. That means your parents didn’t
00:13:17 do such a good job raising you.
00:13:20 >> Yeah. But going along with the age for
00:13:23 marriage is 20 Hebrew or 19 Greek. They
00:13:27 had five years to at least have some
00:13:29 kids, which would go along with this
00:13:31 right there. Now, I do understand it’s
00:13:33 not directly this,
00:13:35 >> but when you know these other little
00:13:37 tidbits, it really fits in really
00:13:39 nicely, right?
00:13:41 >> Well, yes, it it does it does make a lot
00:13:44 more sense because, hey, now we’re
00:13:45 talking about adults,
00:13:49 >> like full-g grown adults. And this is
00:13:52 and and this is stuff that full-g grown
00:13:54 adults
00:13:55 >> can and should be doing.
00:13:57 >> Yeah. Now on on the symbolism that I’m
00:14:01 going to bring out how they’re having to
00:14:02 be married, the church is married to
00:14:04 Yahw.
00:14:06 >> Yes. Yes. Yes. And that’s what I was and
00:14:09 that’s also kind of what I was referring
00:14:11 to earlier.
00:14:12 >> Yeah.
00:14:13 >> Yeah.
00:14:14 >> Um and then 13 for they uh used the
00:14:17 office of a deacon well purchased to
00:14:19 themselves to be a good degree. I think
00:14:21 it’s not the best word there, but
00:14:22 they’re in uh good stature, right? They
00:14:26 have they take well good of themselves.
00:14:28 They present themselves well, right?
00:14:30 >> Good standing.
00:14:32 >> The the term is good standing.
00:14:34 >> Okay. Good standing. And here’s an
00:14:36 important one. Great boldness in the
00:14:40 faith which is Yeshua the Messiah or
00:14:43 Messiah Yeshua. So boldness
00:14:46 >> uh meaning you can’t be scared to bring
00:14:49 out the truth and
00:14:52 um call repentance aka warn and exhort
00:14:57 >> right and also great great boldness in
00:15:00 the faith is that they can’t be easily
00:15:04 shaken from being diligent in obeying
00:15:09 >> what they are preaching. We see. Yes.
00:15:12 Yes. Because bold is you’re not gonna
00:15:14 shy back. You’re gonna call out the the
00:15:17 heirs. You’re
00:15:18 >> right.
00:15:20 >> Right.
00:15:21 >> You’re you’re just not scared. You’re
00:15:23 you’re just going to bring it out. Um
00:15:24 because there’s uh Jacob was bold and
00:15:27 there’s some others. Right.
00:15:28 >> Uh Gideon Gideon from the land of Nephi.
00:15:32 >> But he was uh I think it he was fighting
00:15:35 uh contending with Nahor with words.
00:15:38 Or was that uh the person who slew
00:15:41 Gideon? I think was that Nahor?
00:15:43 >> Yeah, that was Nahor.
00:15:45 >> He was contending with confidence with
00:15:47 Nahor.
00:15:48 >> He frustrated Nahor to the point where
00:15:50 he killed him. Yeah.
00:15:51 >> Yeah.
00:15:52 >> Yeah. He was contending with confidence
00:15:54 until Nahor until Nahor’s sword struck
00:15:56 down his confidence.
00:15:59 >> It wasn’t the confidence.
00:16:01 >> He was confident.
00:16:02 >> It was his physical body. But yes,
00:16:07 he he was confident till the minute he
00:16:09 died. Well, you know, if you’re going to
00:16:11 die, die with confidence as well because
00:16:13 and that’s actually I’m kind of being
00:16:16 I’m kind of being a little flippant
00:16:17 about that, but I’m not really uh
00:16:19 because that’s that’s actually a fairly
00:16:22 important thing to bear in mind is that
00:16:25 um some will be called upon to die for
00:16:28 their beliefs.
00:16:30 >> Yeah.
00:16:31 >> Um Yeah. and he died in the faith.
00:16:35 >> Yeah.
00:16:36 >> Uh
00:16:38 he uh better off than a lot of people,
00:16:41 right? So
00:16:42 >> yeah, I’d say so.
00:16:45 >> Exactly.
00:16:46 >> Now, one thing I want to bring out here
00:16:48 is how even though there could be women
00:16:53 deacons in the ironic priesthood, it
00:16:55 actually specifically states they are
00:16:57 not to baptize. Mhm.
00:16:59 >> Uh and I’m going to bring out um that
00:17:03 goes against the lawless uh series known
00:17:08 as The Chosen.
00:17:10 >> Yes.
00:17:11 >> Yep. Because
00:17:12 >> among many other issues that show has
00:17:15 >> that show that show presents a myriad of
00:17:18 issues.
00:17:19 >> Yeah. But I since we’re here and we’re
00:17:21 bringing out the women, I thought we
00:17:22 should bring that out. Um
00:17:25 >> it’s really it’s I find it really
00:17:26 interesting. Just just one last thing on
00:17:29 that on the chosen.
00:17:32 There’s load there’s lots of people who
00:17:33 will criticize the chosen, but they
00:17:35 always want to make it a personal thing.
00:17:37 Oh, look at the actors. Look at the this
00:17:40 person doesn’t believe doesn’t even
00:17:41 believe in Jesus. This person is a this
00:17:45 person is a Templar. This person is
00:17:48 something this that or the other thing.
00:17:51 What about the doctrinal issues?
00:17:57 Right.
00:17:58 >> What about the doctrinal issues?
00:18:02 >> There are a lot of
00:18:03 >> I agree
00:18:05 issues in that show. Yes.
00:18:06 >> The doctrinal issues is more important
00:18:09 to focus on, but um
00:18:13 >> no one seems to be able to do that. I
00:18:16 think um there’s a lot of good people
00:18:19 that can kind of sense there’s an issue,
00:18:22 but because they don’t know the
00:18:24 scriptures well enough, they can’t bring
00:18:26 it out from the scriptures. So that’s
00:18:27 why people don’t focus on it. They only
00:18:29 focus on how they have these horrible
00:18:33 connections.
00:18:35 >> Right. Right.
00:18:36 >> So I do have a question in verse 58. So
00:18:39 it says, “Administer the sacrament.” So
00:18:42 is that administering the sacrament?
00:18:44 They’re not supposed to have anything to
00:18:45 do with it.
00:18:46 >> They’re not supposed to do it.
00:18:49 >> Period.
00:18:49 >> Period.
00:18:51 >> Do it. Yeah.
00:18:52 >> Any part of it. They’re not supposed to.
00:18:53 They’re
00:18:53 >> not supposed to be passing. They’re not
00:18:55 supposed to be preparing,
00:18:58 blessing, any of it.
00:19:00 >> Yeah. And I forgot about that. So, it’s
00:19:01 good that you brought that out. Yeah.
00:19:02 They’re not supposed to be doing
00:19:04 anything with the sacrament. Nothing.
00:19:07 >> Um, nor are the teachers,
00:19:13 >> right? priests or elders. Correct.
00:19:16 >> Have nothing to do with it.
00:19:17 >> I’m sorry. The teachers and the deacons
00:19:19 have enough to do with their own level
00:19:21 of responsibility that they Why pile the
00:19:25 sacrament onto them as well? Well, uh,
00:19:28 so what the LDS church does with them,
00:19:32 it they don’t really do much, but back
00:19:36 in Joseph Smith day, it was 25
00:19:41 Hebrew or 24 Greek.
00:19:45 >> Mhm.
00:19:45 >> We got the calling or or or the
00:19:48 priesthood. And then you got um
00:19:51 >> if it was an established branch, you got
00:19:54 voted in. If it was a new branch, you
00:19:56 could get revelation to be put in.
00:19:58 Right. So anyway,
00:20:00 >> right.
00:20:01 >> Um but yeah, sacrament and thank you for
00:20:03 bringing that because I forgot about
00:20:04 that. They’re not supposed to do
00:20:06 anything with the sacrament.
00:20:09 >> Yeah. Nor are the teachers cuz they have
00:20:12 in the LDS church. It was around 1920 if
00:20:16 my memory serves me correctly uh that
00:20:19 there were uh other churches surrounding
00:20:22 that were getting young the young men
00:20:25 into helping things with the church. So
00:20:28 the eldest answer was to modify the
00:20:31 priesthood without revelation which they
00:20:34 would have never got it because uh it
00:20:36 needs to stay the same forever. So,
00:20:39 >> well, at least
00:20:41 the only part that they’re honest about
00:20:43 in that is that they don’t claim to have
00:20:46 received any revelation to have changed
00:20:48 it.
00:20:48 >> That’s true. But most people don’t even
00:20:51 know this is a change that’s happened.
00:20:53 >> Oh, yes, that’s true. Yes. And most
00:20:56 people,
00:20:57 >> but there are some scholars out there
00:20:59 that do know. That’s actually how I
00:21:01 initially learned. And there’s a few
00:21:02 papers out there, but it it’s it’s
00:21:05 forgotten history just as the church
00:21:07 wants it to be.
00:21:09 >> So teachers and deacons are not to do
00:21:12 anything with the sacrament, period.
00:21:14 >> They’re supposed to be they’re supposed
00:21:16 >> and they’re not supposed to be laying on
00:21:17 of hands, but I mean, they never do
00:21:21 except when um they kind of do that when
00:21:25 someone’s called into the uh presidency.
00:21:29 I’ve seen that. Um, but it has been a
00:21:31 while. So, they shouldn’t be doing that
00:21:32 either. But anyways,
00:21:34 >> right. Right.
00:21:35 >> Um,
00:21:36 >> interesting.
00:21:37 >> Very interesting.
00:21:39 >> Another thing I want to bring out is how
00:21:40 the deacons are kind of like Oh, I think
00:21:43 I already said it, so I might be
00:21:44 repeating myself, but the police or the
00:21:47 cops.
00:21:48 >> Yeah. Yeah, you did. You did bring that
00:21:50 out.
00:21:51 >> Yeah. I just I know we did a little bit
00:21:53 before recording. I’m like, uh, we’re
00:21:55 saying a lot. We should record.
00:21:59 Yes, we should.
00:22:00 >> Okay. So, deacons, that’s a lot. That is
00:22:04 a lot.
00:22:05 >> Yeah. It requires a mature person.
00:22:09 >> Yes. Especially what they’re uh to warn,
00:22:12 to expound, exhort, and to teach.
00:22:17 >> No.
00:22:17 >> Right.
00:22:19 I I I mean I think most
00:22:22 12-year-olds mean well, but I served a
00:22:25 mission where most of the people that
00:22:27 went on a mission didn’t have a
00:22:28 testimony of the Messiah,
00:22:30 >> right?
00:22:30 >> To get it,
00:22:32 >> right?
00:22:33 >> Um that’s wrong.
00:22:36 >> I agree. I I 100% agree.
00:22:38 >> You can’t invite someone to to come into
00:22:40 the Yeshua until you’ve done that
00:22:42 yourself.
00:22:43 >> Correct.
00:22:44 >> Yeah. You’re kind of um kind of putting
00:22:46 the cart before the horse there.
00:22:48 >> Well, and how many of these people
00:22:49 receive pressure from their parents,
00:22:51 from their siblings, from their aunts
00:22:53 and uncles, from their grandparents, you
00:22:56 know,
00:22:56 >> the Lord, the culture,
00:22:58 >> just the whole general culture.
00:23:00 >> I didn’t have this problem because I I
00:23:02 went on a mission and I’m still glad
00:23:04 that I went even where I’m at now. In
00:23:06 fact,
00:23:08 >> uh
00:23:10 I still have my sickle right now.
00:23:14 You know, I I’m very glad I went on my
00:23:16 mission as well because if I had never
00:23:19 gone on my mission, I would not be where
00:23:22 I am today.
00:23:23 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, so I they the L
00:23:28 church has missionaries go on mission
00:23:30 too soon. I’m not 100% sure on some of
00:23:35 these things, but at minimum they have
00:23:38 to be 25 Hebrew and maybe
00:23:41 30 Hebrew. And this is where I’m still
00:23:44 trying to figure some things out and I’m
00:23:45 trying to be open and honest about it.
00:23:47 Right.
00:23:48 >> Well, we know that the tribe of Levi
00:23:52 >> is third. No, it
00:23:54 >> No, it’s 25. Yeah.
00:23:57 >> Levi is 25, but outside
00:24:00 is 30 as far as
00:24:02 >> this thinking out loud.
00:24:04 >> Public ministry though, correct?
00:24:06 >> This is public.
00:24:08 >> That’s public stuff. You can have the
00:24:09 priesthood before you do public things.
00:24:11 Um,
00:24:12 >> that’s true.
00:24:13 >> So, I I’m actually I think I will make a
00:24:16 bold statement now because I just
00:24:17 remembered something. Jeremiah was 25
00:24:20 when he started, right?
00:24:22 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:23 >> Jeremiah was also a Levite.
00:24:25 >> We’re right. But which that’s ironic
00:24:27 priesthood.
00:24:29 >> Oh, yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Got it. Got
00:24:30 it.
00:24:32 >> He started doing stuff in the uh as the
00:24:34 ironic priesthood just as Joseph Smith
00:24:37 started doing stuff publicly on the
00:24:39 ironic priesthood at 25. Yeah, that’s
00:24:41 true.
00:24:42 >> And Joseph Smith uh started doing stuff
00:24:44 in Melzdic priesthood at 30 just as
00:24:47 Yeshua did, which is why Yeshua’s 30
00:24:50 >> when
00:24:51 >> when he started his public ministry
00:24:52 >> public ministry
00:24:56 priesthood stuff as the book of Hebrews
00:24:58 brings out. Okay. So
00:25:01 >> connect
00:25:03 that makes sense. Okay. So I I do think
00:25:06 we have a I just remembered a valid uh
00:25:09 example uh Jeremiah. So yeah, you can
00:25:12 start missions at 25 with the ironic
00:25:14 priesthood. So
00:25:16 >> yeah,
00:25:17 >> I’m still making connections and I’m
00:25:19 honest about it, right? So
00:25:21 >> yeah,
00:25:21 >> you I think that’s always the best
00:25:24 thing. I think that is the best policy.
00:25:26 >> Honestly, best policy. I will never go
00:25:29 back on that.
00:25:30 >> Yeah. So,
00:25:32 next question. Is it a requirement
00:25:36 for people who have higher callings in
00:25:40 the church
00:25:41 to be married?
00:25:44 >> So, all the ones I would absolutely yes.
00:25:48 Um, especially the bishop.
00:25:51 >> Yeah.
00:25:53 >> Does I do believe in the de in just the
00:25:55 requirements for deacon it states that
00:25:57 they must be married.
00:25:59 >> Yeah. And a deacon. Yes. in as we just
00:26:01 looked at now.
00:26:03 >> Yeah, never mind. Let the deacons be the
00:26:05 husbands of one wife. Okay. Right.
00:26:08 >> So the the that is if you’re doing
00:26:11 something in the church. If you’re doing
00:26:13 something
00:26:14 >> in the mission field, which has no
00:26:17 authority over the church, you do not
00:26:19 have to be married. And okay,
00:26:21 >> which goes along with the letter from
00:26:23 Paul, right? And Ben could probably tell
00:26:25 us what
00:26:26 >> where it is because I don’t remember
00:26:28 right now.
00:26:29 >> Um
00:26:30 Well, that one I’d have to think about
00:26:33 that for a bit. Oh,
00:26:34 >> okay. There’s a JST.
00:26:37 >> It has been a while since I’ve actually
00:26:38 looked at that one. I’ve been more
00:26:40 focused on Romans.
00:26:41 >> Yeah, that’s fine. And it there’s a JST
00:26:44 for and I have a kaism on it. I just
00:26:46 can’t remember where it’s at. So, but
00:26:48 anyway,
00:26:48 >> there’s a letter of Paul that brings it
00:26:50 up.
00:26:51 >> I do believe it’s in one of the
00:26:52 Corinthian letters.
00:26:54 >> Oh, yeah. That sounds familiar. Um, but
00:26:58 it it does bring out how you do not have
00:27:00 to be married. And Paul has a preference
00:27:02 that you don’t be, but that’s his
00:27:04 personal preference. Um,
00:27:06 >> if you’re if you’re doing missionary
00:27:08 work,
00:27:08 >> missionary work.
00:27:09 >> Yeah. Missionary work, which is not in
00:27:11 the church,
00:27:11 >> which requires traveling and and being
00:27:15 all over the place.
00:27:16 >> Yeah. But there there’s missionaries in
00:27:20 the DNC and the New Testament that were
00:27:23 married and took their families, so it
00:27:24 it’s fine.
00:27:26 It has some additional issues. So I can
00:27:29 understand why his preference is there.
00:27:31 Right. So
00:27:32 >> Right. Right.
00:27:34 >> Okay. All right. That that answered that
00:27:36 question. Okay. Cool.
00:27:38 >> Okay. So teacher
00:27:40 uh
00:27:41 >> they teach.
00:27:43 >> Uh yeah.
00:27:47 >> Are you serious?
00:27:50 >> Yes.
00:27:51 >> Just just maybe. Um,
00:27:54 >> but I do I do, you know, it’s uh I do
00:27:58 think that it’s important that people
00:27:59 realize that we often make these things
00:28:02 a lot more complicated than they need to
00:28:04 be. What is a teacher? Oh, yeah. That’s
00:28:10 what a teacher is,
00:28:12 >> right?
00:28:12 >> You mean a teacher is a teacher?
00:28:15 >> There’s more to it. But there’s a little
00:28:16 bit more to it than just teaching,
00:28:18 though.
00:28:19 >> Well, you have all the responsibilities
00:28:21 of a deacon as well. Yeah. But what
00:28:25 the again the again the question comes
00:28:28 what greater responsibility is there
00:28:30 than to help others uh to live the
00:28:33 gospel uh to
00:28:35 >> right
00:28:36 >> to live in the law. So,
00:28:40 >> right. Yeah.
00:28:42 >> So, I I just seeing here here’s another
00:28:44 example where here here’s Melkazedc
00:28:46 priesthood, right?
00:28:48 >> Yep.
00:28:51 >> I’m sure I’m spelling that wrong. Yeah.
00:28:54 >> Yeah. Totally. But we can fix it later.
00:28:57 >> I’ll fix it later. Yes. Um Okay. So, um
00:29:02 Josh, you want to read some of this some
00:29:04 and we can talk about it?
00:29:05 >> Yep. Yep. All right. Uh gonna start in
00:29:09 DNC 20, right? 53-59.
00:29:12 All right. Uh the teachers duty is to
00:29:15 watch over the church always. They’re
00:29:18 the watchd dogs. They’re the protectors
00:29:22 and be with and strengthen them.
00:29:25 >> So um if I’m remembering my Bergamite
00:29:28 days right, I think it teachers when you
00:29:31 could start being a home teacher. If I
00:29:34 remember correctly,
00:29:36 >> a ministering a ministering Oh, it’s a
00:29:38 ministering servant now.
00:29:40 >> Well, I don’t care what it is now. I’m
00:29:42 talking about when I was there.
00:29:44 >> Oh, yeah. You can be a home teaching
00:29:46 companion to an elder. Yes.
00:29:48 >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh which is to go out and
00:29:51 watch and strengthening the church.
00:29:55 >> So, that part’s actually right. The
00:29:57 problem is they have the wrong age.
00:30:00 >> Correct.
00:30:00 >> Yes.
00:30:01 >> Yes. They have it as Greek instead of 25
00:30:05 Hebrew, right?
00:30:09 >> I mean, it’s only 10 years difference.
00:30:12 >> There’s just a little difference there.
00:30:15 Yeah,
00:30:16 >> just 10 years.
00:30:18 >> Just counting.
00:30:21 >> Anyway,
00:30:21 >> which I don’t need to tell you. When
00:30:23 you’re that young, 10 years is a huge
00:30:25 difference.
00:30:28 >> Yeah, it is.
00:30:29 >> Yeah.
00:30:29 >> All right, let’s see here. and see that
00:30:32 there is no iniquity,
00:30:34 another word for sin.
00:30:36 >> Uhhuh.
00:30:37 >> In the church.
00:30:38 >> No, iniquity is is not the same as sin.
00:30:42 >> Yeah.
00:30:45 >> There’s a verse in first John you need
00:30:47 to look at.
00:30:51 >> Neither hardness with each other.
00:30:54 >> Neither.
00:30:54 >> Okay. So, this is a big deal, right?
00:30:56 >> It is a huge deal. Yeah. that actually
00:30:59 members like each other and if not you
00:31:02 you kind of work on towards making them
00:31:04 like each other,
00:31:06 >> right?
00:31:07 >> So this is a little this is going a
00:31:09 little beyond the deacons, right? Where
00:31:11 you’re supposed to teach them and exhort
00:31:13 and warn them,
00:31:15 >> right?
00:31:15 >> You’re starting to get into actually
00:31:19 kind of
00:31:19 >> human
00:31:21 relations now. Now you’re talking about
00:31:23 human relations.
00:31:24 >> Yeah. like police, they they just kind
00:31:27 of
00:31:28 >> they just say the issue
00:31:29 >> and halt.
00:31:32 >> Yeah. Yeah. And then they take him to
00:31:33 someone else to take care of it. They
00:31:34 they don’t really take care of it. Um.
00:31:37 >> Right.
00:31:38 >> Right. So, here’s a teacher starting to
00:31:40 try to
00:31:40 >> So, here’s here’s who the deacons here’s
00:31:42 who the deacons take these people to.
00:31:45 >> Oh, yeah. And also, I just want to bring
00:31:46 out it’s not that
00:31:50 priests are better than te or over
00:31:52 teachers as it is in the Brighamite
00:31:53 church. Okay. Okay.
00:31:55 >> And that teachers are over deacons. It’s
00:31:57 not a hierarchy of these three as people
00:32:01 like to make these three are flat,
00:32:04 right?
00:32:05 >> Yeah. They have separate they just have
00:32:07 separate responsibilities.
00:32:09 >> Yeah. It’s not like you graduate one to
00:32:12 the other
00:32:13 >> like in the Bergamont church. No. In
00:32:15 fact, if you go to one to the other,
00:32:18 >> turn 14, you’re a teacher now.
00:32:21 >> Yeah. No. Um, no.
00:32:24 >> So, how it’s supposed to be done in in
00:32:27 Yahweh’s
00:32:29 way is you get voted by common consent
00:32:33 to go from one or the other because
00:32:35 perhaps you’ve learned more that you’ve
00:32:37 now got talents that are better suited
00:32:39 somewhere else,
00:32:40 >> right?
00:32:40 >> Yes.
00:32:41 >> And and it does have to be by the voice
00:32:44 of the people.
00:32:46 >> Yes. Uh on my church government page, I
00:32:49 have a lot of verses about
00:32:52 that V-word. Um
00:32:54 >> it’s not it’s not it’s not according to
00:32:57 some hippie- dippy feeling or a life
00:33:00 event as to whether or not you become
00:33:02 the next you
00:33:05 to whether or not a teacher.
00:33:08 >> Vote by common consent or in other
00:33:10 words, vote by those who are going to be
00:33:12 affected by your office.
00:33:15 >> Right. Okay. That that makes sense,
00:33:17 >> right?
00:33:18 >> So, neither lying, backbiting, nor evil
00:33:20 speaking. I mean, that all goes into the
00:33:22 hardness and all that stuff.
00:33:24 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then I mean, I see
00:33:26 that in my local neighborhood a bit.
00:33:30 >> Oh, yes, you do.
00:33:32 Yes. Yes, you do. You have lovely
00:33:35 neighbors. Anyways, um
00:33:37 >> that’s a word for them.
00:33:39 >> That’s one way. That’s one way.
00:33:41 >> All right. Uh and moving on. uh and see
00:33:44 that the church meet together often. Oh,
00:33:47 so they’re to plan the meetings. Oh,
00:33:48 imagine that. And I also see
00:33:51 >> make sure that they happen is what I
00:33:53 see.
00:33:54 >> Oh, okay. All right. Yeah,
00:33:56 >> that’s a better maybe a better way of
00:33:57 putting it.
00:33:58 >> I just want to be careful that we’re not
00:34:00 like who came up with what we wanted to
00:34:02 do today?
00:34:04 >> Uh me.
00:34:06 >> Yeah. Okay. And did And you didn’t tell
00:34:09 me before. That’s why and that’s why
00:34:11 well and that’s why I’m glad you’re
00:34:14 you we’re going through this because
00:34:17 yeah I I I I
00:34:19 >> it was a much better
00:34:20 >> basic confusions here so that’s why I
00:34:23 asked
00:34:24 >> yeah but as in uh once the meetings or
00:34:28 normal meetings sometimes there’s
00:34:30 meetings for plannings that’s a little
00:34:31 different right
00:34:32 >> right right
00:34:34 >> um and I would say this is not about
00:34:36 leadership meetings okay see that The
00:34:39 church,
00:34:40 >> the whole church,
00:34:41 >> the whole church, not just leaders, meet
00:34:43 together oft. Okay.
00:34:45 >> Right.
00:34:46 >> These are just everybody goes to
00:34:49 meetings.
00:34:50 >> Right. Right. Right. And also see that
00:34:52 all the members do their duty.
00:34:54 >> Right. Right. But one thing I want to
00:34:56 bring out is uh Moroni 69 brings out
00:34:58 what you do once the meeting’s there.
00:35:02 >> Oh yeah.
00:35:03 >> You figure it out when you’re there.
00:35:04 You’re governed by govern the meeting by
00:35:07 the spirit,
00:35:08 >> right? Which now I see you were that’s
00:35:11 what you were alluding to when you said
00:35:13 and who came up with what we were going
00:35:15 to do. Okay. All right. And now I get
00:35:17 it. I I was a little slow on the uptake
00:35:19 there. All right. I got it. I got it.
00:35:22 >> But this is also goes along with
00:35:24 teaching because they’re supposed to
00:35:26 help everybody know what their duty is.
00:35:29 That’s also help them see what their
00:35:31 duty is. And how can they know what
00:35:33 their duty is unless they’re taught?
00:35:35 >> Yeah. Yeah. And that the teachers need
00:35:37 to know what everybody’s duties are,
00:35:40 >> right? Makes sense.
00:35:42 >> To make sure that the members are doing
00:35:44 their duty.
00:35:46 >> That’s a that’s that’s a lot. Wow. Um
00:35:49 >> now that’s within
00:35:52 this specifically here is talking about
00:35:54 their branch. Okay.
00:35:56 >> Right.
00:35:58 >> Their unit. Their unit.
00:36:00 >> Right. Because I want to bring up how
00:36:03 every member is to make sure that the
00:36:06 president and the higherups are doing
00:36:09 what they’re supposed to do.
00:36:10 >> Yeah. They’re supposed to hold them
00:36:11 accountable. Correct.
00:36:12 >> All members, not just teachers. Okay.
00:36:15 >> Not not just and not just the person
00:36:18 above that other person,
00:36:21 >> right?
00:36:22 >> Brighamide LDS church likes to try and
00:36:24 do it.
00:36:25 >> Yeah. No, it’s all members and I have
00:36:26 that on my church government page. Um,
00:36:30 but I just want to kind of bring out
00:36:32 this uh little caveat here and this is
00:36:34 talking about the lo local unit or
00:36:36 branch. Right.
00:36:37 >> Right.
00:36:38 >> On that point, ward is nowhere
00:36:42 in the
00:36:42 >> DN branch. It’s always it was always
00:36:44 branches.
00:36:46 >> Ward is a Masonic word came coming from
00:36:48 Brigham Young.
00:36:50 >> Well, he was Yeah. Anyways, he was
00:36:53 >> he was more mason than Mormon and he
00:36:55 even is
00:36:56 >> W is also hemitted.
00:36:58 >> I should also like to point out that on
00:37:01 hospital units where the uh where people
00:37:04 are kept those are called wards as well.
00:37:08 Now I don’t know how much of the
00:37:10 hospital s I do believe that the
00:37:13 hospital system is heavily infiltrated
00:37:15 by Masons but I do think that there is a
00:37:17 medical component to the word word. Uh
00:37:21 that’s a valid point there. I’ll just
00:37:23 add there’s also one of a component of a
00:37:25 psych word but anyways
00:37:29 absolutely
00:37:32 >> anyways.
00:37:33 >> All right. So
00:37:35 >> so and and he is to take the lead of
00:37:39 meetings in the absence of the elder or
00:37:42 priest. Well that’s something that the
00:37:45 deacon cannot do.
00:37:47 >> Uh yeah. Well, deacons only gets in
00:37:49 charge if only deacons. So,
00:37:52 >> right,
00:37:53 >> the most part these their duties are
00:37:56 flat. But when there’s not hierarchy,
00:37:58 the leadership, there is some of these
00:38:00 little bit of hierarchy mentioned here.
00:38:03 Right.
00:38:03 >> Right. Right.
00:38:04 >> No, but when you go look at what their
00:38:06 actual duties are, that kind of makes
00:38:09 sense. Right.
00:38:11 >> Right. Right.
00:38:12 >> But it’s not that you graduate one or
00:38:14 the other because it’s actually flat.
00:38:16 But
00:38:17 >> they’re they’re they’re their
00:38:20 offices within the ironic priesthood,
00:38:23 separate and apart from each other.
00:38:25 >> Right. But there is an order to Yah’s
00:38:28 kingdom. And so when you look at what
00:38:31 these different uh offices are to do, it
00:38:33 makes sense the way that they have it.
00:38:35 Right.
00:38:35 >> Right. Yeah.
00:38:36 >> Right.
00:38:36 >> Now, notice here I this is going to be
00:38:39 technicality we’ve talked about before,
00:38:41 but I want to bring you out again. It
00:38:42 only says elder. It doesn’t say high
00:38:44 priest or elder.
00:38:46 >> It says elder.
00:38:47 >> A high priest is an elder. It says
00:38:49 they’re unanimous in the DNC.
00:38:54 >> They’re okay.
00:38:56 >> A high priest has a high priesthood or
00:38:58 in other words is an elder.
00:39:00 >> Yeah.
00:39:01 >> Yeah.
00:39:02 >> So anybody
00:39:02 >> because an elder is a
00:39:04 >> so within the Melkisedc priesthood,
00:39:07 right?
00:39:08 >> No. An elder is that you have the
00:39:10 Melkazedc priesthood.
00:39:11 >> Yeah. In in other words, anybody who has
00:39:15 the high priesthood who does not have a
00:39:18 specific office within that priesthood
00:39:20 is an elder.
00:39:22 >> Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. That Okay,
00:39:25 that makes sense. Okay.
00:39:26 >> Yeah. So, and or in other words, an
00:39:29 elder or a high priest are unanimous.
00:39:32 It’s the same thing. It’s another way of
00:39:33 saying the same thing.
00:39:34 >> Anonymous. You mean
00:39:35 >> Yes.
00:39:36 >> Anonymous? You mean they’re synonymous?
00:39:39 >> Thank you. Yeah. I I need to work on my
00:39:41 dictionary memorizing
00:39:43 >> or maybe your thesaurus or something. I
00:39:45 don’t know. Anyways,
00:39:46 >> oh yeah. Anyways, or that. But anyways,
00:39:48 but I I do want to bring out how if it’s
00:39:51 the way that the LDS church claims, why
00:39:53 why is it missing?
00:39:56 >> Oh, it’s Well, I mean, that’s a really
00:39:57 good question.
00:39:59 >> Anyways, all right. Okay, moving on.
00:40:01 >> Probably because they’re the same. All
00:40:04 right. Anyways, and it
00:40:07 and is to be assisted always in all of
00:40:10 his duties in the church by the deacons
00:40:12 if occasion requires.
00:40:15 >> So deacons are like
00:40:19 uh they they need to watch over the
00:40:20 church, you know, be teaching them,
00:40:22 warning them, calling them to
00:40:23 repentance.
00:40:24 >> You know what deacons are?
00:40:26 >> You know what deacons are?
00:40:27 >> What?
00:40:28 >> They’re the happy helpers.
00:40:30 >> Yeah. Yeah. I was just about to say
00:40:32 that. And they have to be willing to
00:40:33 help with everything.
00:40:34 >> Yeah. What if they’re not happy?
00:40:36 >> They’re the happy helpers.
00:40:38 >> What if they’re not happy, Josh?
00:40:40 >> Well, then they better get happy. No.
00:40:43 >> Okay.
00:40:43 >> Then they look need to look at their
00:40:45 priorities. No, I’m just kidding.
00:40:47 >> Well, I mean, if they’re not happy, then
00:40:48 that probably means that they have
00:40:49 something that they need to repent of
00:40:51 because they’re not living in the way of
00:40:53 happiness.
00:40:54 >> Oh, should we go over where depression
00:40:55 goes off comes from? No,
00:40:57 >> I not let’s not sidetrack on that right
00:41:00 now. But um no, but but that’s my point
00:41:03 is that if there is
00:41:07 darkness in their life, it’s probably
00:41:09 because they’re not living in the set
00:41:11 aart way.
00:41:12 >> Correct.
00:41:15 >> Uh Andrew, maybe I don’t know if you can
00:41:18 delete your red lines because I’m
00:41:20 guessing you did that on accident. I
00:41:21 think that’s a new feature.
00:41:24 >> Oops.
00:41:25 >> Andrew’s drawing lines. I’m going to go
00:41:27 get rid of them.
00:41:29 Uh, apparently I don’t know how to. So,
00:41:31 anyways, moving on.
00:41:33 >> All right. Anyway,
00:41:35 >> I’m sure he’s doing it on accident.
00:41:37 >> But here we go. Here we go again. But
00:41:39 neither teachers nor deacons have
00:41:40 authority to baptize, administer the
00:41:43 sacrament, or lay on hands.
00:41:45 >> So, uh, do we want to go look at the,
00:41:47 uh, word definition of minister in 1828?
00:41:51 >> I think we should.
00:41:52 >> We should.
00:41:54 >> Okay, let me get it up because I mean,
00:41:56 that’s the second time it’s come up.
00:41:58 Which makes sense because it’s now
00:42:00 talking about um teachers who are not
00:42:03 allowed to. Right.
00:42:05 >> Right. Yeah. Now we This is the second
00:42:07 office in the ironic priesthood that has
00:42:09 said you shall not administer.
00:42:12 >> Thou shalt not.
00:42:14 >> Uh and what I’m going to just say off of
00:42:16 my uh rough memory, it goes along with
00:42:20 how you’re not supposed to uh give any
00:42:22 medications or anything to anybody.
00:42:25 Well,
00:42:28 Um, but it’s been a while. So, let’s go
00:42:31 through it. Uh,
00:42:33 >> dispense.
00:42:34 >> You want to read? Well, let’s do John.
00:42:36 >> Okay.
00:42:37 >> Yeah.
00:42:38 >> All right.
00:42:40 Admin uh administer to serve or manage
00:42:44 to act as minister or chief agent in
00:42:48 managing public affairs under laws or
00:42:52 constitution of government.
00:42:54 >> Okay. So, that was not it. Go look at
00:42:57 >> dispense to administer justice
00:43:00 >> or the sacrament or the sacment.
00:43:02 >> Sacment.
00:43:04 >> Ah right there.
00:43:06 >> Right there.
00:43:08 >> Definition two.
00:43:11 >> Yeah. But the question is is how do you
00:43:13 define dispense? Do you define it with
00:43:15 the just passing out of the sacrament
00:43:18 >> or um
00:43:20 >> well considering definition actually
00:43:22 says sacrament.
00:43:25 But the question is how do you define
00:43:27 dispense?
00:43:29 >> Okay. So to that word.
00:43:31 >> All right. Let’s look up dispense then.
00:43:33 >> Yeah. Because that I think that’s also
00:43:35 pretty important to know.
00:43:36 >> Okay. All right. We’re going there.
00:43:39 >> Yeah. Uh to deal or divide out in parts
00:43:43 or portions. Yeah.
00:43:45 >> Even the preparation.
00:43:46 >> That’s going to be giving out. Okay. I
00:43:49 mean, we call it
00:43:50 >> So, even the preparation is up because
00:43:52 there’s you’re determining what portion
00:43:55 is available,
00:43:57 >> right?
00:43:58 >> Yep.
00:43:58 >> Putting the the bread and the water in
00:44:01 the thing. So, they’re not even supposed
00:44:03 to help prepare.
00:44:05 >> Yep.
00:44:06 >> Another thing you get wrong, LDS church.
00:44:09 >> Yay. Anyways,
00:44:12 >> need to repent. Well, I I do believe it
00:44:15 happened when they gave it to the
00:44:17 teenage boys and trying to give them a
00:44:20 reason to come to church,
00:44:22 >> right?
00:44:23 >> So,
00:44:24 >> well, if if you’re not coming to church
00:44:27 to learn, you’re already doing it for
00:44:28 the wrong reason.
00:44:31 >> Yeah. Um Well, there’s fellowship, too.
00:44:34 Fellowship’s important.
00:44:36 >> Fellowship is very important. I agree
00:44:37 with you. This
00:44:38 >> is why I call this fellowship and
00:44:40 scripture study. Fellowship Yeah,
00:44:43 >> right. They they are however to warn,
00:44:45 expound, exhort, and teach and invite
00:44:48 all to come unto Christ. Exactly the
00:44:49 same as the deacons.
00:44:51 >> Yeah. Okay. So, here uh despite what
00:44:55 people claim, the Book of Mormon does
00:44:56 show a priesthood. Here’s one that I
00:44:58 have saved. Right.
00:45:01 >> It came to pass that they were brought
00:45:04 before the priests. Oh, priests. Ah. And
00:45:08 delivered up onto the priests by the
00:45:11 teachers. Oh, wait, wait a minute.
00:45:12 Doesn’t that kind of just go along with
00:45:14 what we just kind of read?
00:45:16 >> Yeah,
00:45:18 >> maybe.
00:45:18 >> Basically, the basically it what it
00:45:21 seems like is that the deacons uh the
00:45:24 teachers see that everybody’s doing
00:45:26 their duty. The deacons if there’s a
00:45:29 problem, they bring it to the teachers
00:45:30 who take it up to the priests
00:45:33 >> if they deal with it.
00:45:35 >> If they can’t deal with it at their
00:45:37 level.
00:45:37 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is where the
00:45:39 priests couldn’t do it.
00:45:41 before Elma who was the
00:45:44 >> high priest
00:45:45 >> which is a higher in um knowing the law
00:45:49 and and taking care of the law. Right?
00:45:52 Because now this is the high priest is
00:45:54 Melzdc priesthood here. Okay. This is
00:45:57 not talking about the high priest of the
00:45:59 tabernacle. This is talking about high
00:46:01 priest of the
00:46:03 >> high priest. Period.
00:46:04 >> Yeah.
00:46:05 >> Right. Um, so anyway,
00:46:07 >> so there’s a verse that has both ironic
00:46:10 and Melkisedc priesthood.
00:46:13 >> Yes. Uh, and that’s
00:46:15 >> and that’s before
00:46:18 Yeshua
00:46:20 >> came to them.
00:46:21 >> So for all you false teachers out there
00:46:23 who say there’s no such thing as the
00:46:25 priesthood, wake up.
00:46:27 >> Yeah. And normally I think of, you know,
00:46:29 Moroni chapters.
00:46:31 Yeah, I I should add this to some
00:46:33 priesthood resource page just to help
00:46:36 make it easy to remember, right? But
00:46:39 >> that’ll be a great thing
00:46:40 >> right there.
00:46:41 >> Or priesthood in the Book of Mormon.
00:46:43 What is it’s like Joseph Smith was
00:46:47 helping us understand these or Yeshua
00:46:50 through Joseph Smith is helping us
00:46:51 understand the the little bit of
00:46:53 priesthood stuff that’s in the Book of
00:46:55 Mormon.
00:46:56 >> It’s amazing.
00:46:58 >> Yeah. Because the priesthood was not the
00:47:00 main focus of the Book of Mormon be
00:47:03 Stephen.
00:47:03 >> No, it was not.
00:47:04 >> Stephen, are you Stephen? Are you
00:47:05 suggesting that Yahweh’s ways are
00:47:07 simple?
00:47:10 >> Um, yes. I think more than I was
00:47:13 suggesting was that it was the same
00:47:14 yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
00:47:16 >> Yeah.
00:47:17 >> Right. That’s what makes it simple is
00:47:19 that it doesn’t change.
00:47:21 >> Right. That’s my I guess that’s my point
00:47:24 is
00:47:24 >> all of these there’s there’s tons of
00:47:28 teachers who purport to be able to
00:47:31 expound
00:47:33 exactly what changed in the priesthood
00:47:36 at the uh with the uh advent of the
00:47:40 resurrection of Yeshua. Um
00:47:43 >> they’re wrong. I know what it was.
00:47:45 >> Yeah. the
00:47:47 >> law of Moses was no longer had to be
00:47:50 done,
00:47:51 >> right?
00:47:52 >> It had its end in Yeshua.
00:47:55 >> Yeah.
00:47:56 >> Well, Ben’s not quite done talking,
00:47:58 guys. I’m sorry. I’m sorry, Ben. I’m
00:48:00 sorry.
00:48:02 It’s uh what what was changed was all I
00:48:06 was going to say was that what was
00:48:07 changed was the striking down of the
00:48:10 handwriting of ordinances that was
00:48:12 against us
00:48:15 >> which is also known as
00:48:17 >> law of Moses.
00:48:18 >> Yeah.
00:48:18 >> Or
00:48:20 >> or uh the two
00:48:23 >> carnal commandments.
00:48:24 >> Law of carnal commandments. Right.
00:48:26 >> Or blood sacrifices.
00:48:28 >> Blood sacrifices. Yes. The
00:48:31 >> or the daily you mean the daily blood
00:48:33 sacrificing
00:48:34 thing is is that the other offerings are
00:48:37 not necessarily are not necessarily
00:48:40 called blood sacrifices. Sin offering is
00:48:43 a sin offering. It’s not a blood
00:48:45 sacrifice. Um
00:48:49 so well it it it’s not called a blood
00:48:52 sacrifice.
00:48:53 >> It’s called there’s some blood but it’s
00:48:54 not called
00:48:55 >> Okay. It’s not called a blood sacrifice.
00:48:58 Okay. Okay. Because I was going to say
00:49:00 you blood is spilled.
00:49:02 >> Oh yeah, but it’s not called
00:49:04 >> not called a blood sacrifice.
00:49:07 Okay. Okay.
00:49:08 >> Peace offering while blood is spilled is
00:49:11 not called a blood sacrifice. It is
00:49:15 called a peace offering. A free will
00:49:17 offering is called a free will offering.
00:49:20 It is not called a blood sacrifice.
00:49:23 Okay. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Fair
00:49:26 enough.
00:49:28 And all of these things will be
00:49:32 dies all be coming back. They will all
00:49:35 be restored. Yes.
00:49:36 >> Correct. They will all be priesthood
00:49:38 duties in the temple.
00:49:40 >> Yes. Um
00:49:41 >> not Moses.
00:49:43 >> Specifically specifically the Levitical
00:49:45 priesthood.
00:49:46 >> Oh, this is true. That is correct.
00:49:48 >> The house of Levi.
00:49:50 >> Yeah.
00:49:50 >> Yes. as in um I forget one of the
00:49:57 uh Aaron’s uh descendants that got
00:50:00 promised that
00:50:02 >> Zadok
00:50:02 >> Zadok Zadok
00:50:05 >> but um other tribes will be able to have
00:50:08 the ironic priesthood to do these
00:50:10 duties. Right? So,
00:50:12 >> but they’re still under the ironic,
00:50:16 right? It’s just the
00:50:18 >> the animal sacrifice that
00:50:20 >> they have a very specific
00:50:21 >> they they have a very specific thing
00:50:24 that they’re focused on. Right.
00:50:25 >> Right. And that part was not restored.
00:50:27 Hence it’s not Joseph Smith didn’t put
00:50:30 it here. That’s the job of the mighty
00:50:33 >> and he wasn’t meant to.
00:50:35 >> Yeah. Yeah. Joseph Smith was not meant
00:50:36 to restore all. So anyways, but that’s a
00:50:41 good point that Bing brings out there.
00:50:43 It’s Levitical.
00:50:45 Um, which
00:50:47 >> I I don’t know what it’s going to be
00:50:48 called, but there’s going to be another
00:50:50 office here.
00:50:52 >> Well, it could it
00:50:54 Yeah, that that’s interest. That’s an
00:50:57 interesting thought.
00:51:00 It it may not be called Levitical. It
00:51:02 may be called something else. It may
00:51:03 just be called
00:51:05 >> I I know what it means. But in the DNC,
00:51:07 Levitical and ironic are used
00:51:09 synonymously. Did I say it right this
00:51:11 time?
00:51:11 >> Yes.
00:51:12 >> You just about got it. Yes, you got it.
00:51:14 Is there anonymous?
00:51:16 >> Yeah.
00:51:17 >> Uh, so I I I I knew what Ben meant.
00:51:21 Okay. But you think there will be
00:51:23 another office? Um,
00:51:25 >> well, wouldn’t it I mean it would make
00:51:27 sense just to call them temple workers?
00:51:29 >> Well, here’s the thing.
00:51:31 >> Why not? I’m fine with that.
00:51:33 >> If they’re doing the work in the temple,
00:51:35 why don’t you just call them temple
00:51:36 workers?
00:51:37 >> I do believe in the five books of Moses,
00:51:40 it is referred to as priestly offices.
00:51:44 Even when it’s talking about the
00:51:46 Levitical
00:51:48 offices or work, the the ordinances,
00:51:50 they’re the priestly ordinances.
00:51:53 >> So maybe it might be a division of the
00:51:54 priest possibly. We’d have to look at
00:51:57 translation. I I don’t know. I haven’t
00:51:58 looked into that issue.
00:51:59 >> I do believe that I do. My current
00:52:02 opinion
00:52:04 subject to change upon receiving greater
00:52:08 information.
00:52:09 >> Sure.
00:52:10 >> Is that it will be a division of the
00:52:11 priestly office. All right. And I could
00:52:14 see how that could be the case. It’s not
00:52:16 something I’ve put thought into. Um,
00:52:19 >> right.
00:52:20 >> So, it’s kind of along somewhat along
00:52:22 what I was saying, but maybe it’s
00:52:23 slightly different. Right. So,
00:52:26 >> yeah.
00:52:26 >> Um, speaking of priests, you want to
00:52:28 look at that?
00:52:29 >> Let’s get into it. Yeah. Well, and the
00:52:32 reason why I say that it’s an that it’s
00:52:34 likely to be I have a reason why I say
00:52:37 it’s likely to be a division of the
00:52:38 priestly office. And that is because
00:52:42 the uh priestly office is the only
00:52:44 office in the priesthood that sees to um
00:52:47 the priestly office is the only office
00:52:48 in the ironic priesthood that sees to
00:52:50 any ordinances whatsoever.
00:52:53 >> Well, that’s
00:52:56 so as ceremonial definition. When I’m
00:53:00 talking about ordinances, I’m talking
00:53:01 about ceremonies. I’m not talking about
00:53:02 >> in this case, right?
00:53:03 >> Yeah. In this case, I’m talking about
00:53:05 ceremonies, not laws. But they’re the
00:53:07 only ones who they’re the only ones who
00:53:09 do any ceremonial ordinances whatsoever.
00:53:12 >> And and that makes some sense, right?
00:53:15 >> That would make sense. Yeah.
00:53:17 >> But like Ben said, until we know
00:53:18 anything better, right?
00:53:20 >> Right. Always subject to further light
00:53:23 and knowledge. Yes.
00:53:25 >> Absolutely. Sure.
00:53:26 >> All right. The priest’s duty is to
00:53:28 preach, teach, expound, exhort, and
00:53:32 baptize,
00:53:34 and administer the sacrament.
00:53:37 Big deal.
00:53:39 >> No one else is supposed to prepare it or
00:53:42 pass.
00:53:42 >> No, no, no. There because remember for
00:53:46 the deacons and the teachers, it said
00:53:49 not administer the sacrament.
00:53:52 >> Yeah. Because Yeah. And we and we have
00:53:54 shown already in this recording that the
00:53:57 uh that administer does cover all
00:54:01 aspects including preparation.
00:54:04 >> Right.
00:54:06 >> Yeah. As in by going to the dictionary
00:54:08 that
00:54:10 >> that pesky dictionary thing.
00:54:12 >> Yeah. That that really ruins a lot of
00:54:14 ideas, doesn’t it? I
00:54:17 >> Well, it ruins a lot of false ideas,
00:54:19 that’s for sure.
00:54:20 >> It depends on your perspective,
00:54:21 honestly. If you’re if you’re looking
00:54:23 for
00:54:24 >> if all if you’re not looking to if
00:54:26 you’re not looking for what you talk
00:54:27 about to be true then um
00:54:30 >> Yeah. True.
00:54:32 >> Yeah.
00:54:33 >> Yeah. And see Oh, sorry.
00:54:35 >> I’m just looking I’m looking at this
00:54:36 part and visit the house of each member.
00:54:38 Maybe it was a priest that started doing
00:54:40 home teaching and I remembered wrong.
00:54:44 Um,
00:54:46 I’d have to double check that, but I
00:54:48 think priests in the early church
00:54:50 priests did go do visit uh do home
00:54:54 teaching.
00:54:56 >> I I did it. I’m just trying to remember
00:54:57 if I started as a priest or a teacher. I
00:54:59 actually like
00:55:00 >> I I remember I started as a teacher. I I
00:55:02 remember
00:55:05 >> maybe that perversion then. So, um
00:55:09 anyways,
00:55:10 >> I started as a deacon. Yeah. But Oh, you
00:55:13 started as a deacon, John.
00:55:15 >> I was teamed up with dad.
00:55:18 >> Oh,
00:55:19 >> okay. Well, anyways. All right. But here
00:55:22 it says because you never had to say a
00:55:24 darn thing.
00:55:26 >> Mhm. Well, I still wound up Dad still
00:55:28 made me teach a lot.
00:55:30 >> Dad Dad would make
00:55:31 >> worked out great for you.
00:55:33 >> Dad would make it Dad would make the
00:55:34 junior companion teach.
00:55:38 >> Actually, that’s true.
00:55:39 >> So, I’m just thinking outside. So, maybe
00:55:42 Priests go to the houses.
00:55:45 >> Yes.
00:55:45 >> Teachers are maybe just watching at
00:55:48 church. Maybe
00:55:51 >> deacons are watching everywhere.
00:55:55 >> That’s what’s going the difference.
00:55:57 >> They’re they’re watching the walk of
00:55:59 people in the in the streets.
00:56:01 >> Yeah. Yeah. Where teachers are kind of
00:56:03 maybe doing it more at church in the
00:56:06 unit in the church unit. So it’s a more
00:56:09 specific it’s a more specific area of
00:56:12 concentration. Maybe
00:56:14 >> it would make more sense that the
00:56:15 deacons being the constable would be
00:56:18 watching the streets.
00:56:20 >> Yeah, that makes sense. And I I do
00:56:22 believe the deacons are like the police
00:56:25 >> and I guess the teachers are doing it at
00:56:28 the church meetings or something.
00:56:30 >> It’s a more specific area of
00:56:32 responsibility.
00:56:34 >> Yeah. And then the priests
00:56:37 go to the houses right there. Right.
00:56:39 >> The individual members. Yeah. And then
00:56:40 and exhort them to pray vocally,
00:56:45 not just and in secret, but not just in
00:56:47 secret, but to pray vocally and in
00:56:49 secret and attend to all family duties.
00:56:53 >> In other words, don’t be a dead beat.
00:56:56 >> Yes.
00:56:58 And this is going to go off of how
00:57:00 children have specific duties. A husband
00:57:02 has specific duties and
00:57:04 >> a wife has specific duties. They all
00:57:06 have specific duties within the family
00:57:08 unit.
00:57:09 >> Yeah.
00:57:10 >> Yeah.
00:57:12 >> Um and he may also ordain other priests,
00:57:17 teachers, and deacons. So this is the
00:57:19 only office in the ironic priesthood
00:57:21 that can lay on hands.
00:57:23 >> Yes. So I do believe, if we’re reading
00:57:26 this right, deacons
00:57:29 don’t ordain deacons. Nope. When
00:57:32 teachers don’t ordain deacons or
00:57:34 teachers,
00:57:35 >> right? It’s just priests that do, right?
00:57:38 >> That do the ordinations. Correct.
00:57:41 >> Um Andy is to take the lead of meetings
00:57:43 when there is no elder present. When
00:57:46 there’s no Melkazedc priesthood holder
00:57:47 present, basically is what that’s
00:57:49 saying. Correct.
00:57:50 >> Yeah. And this, see how this is also not
00:57:52 specifying a high priest or an elder
00:57:54 because they’re the same.
00:57:56 >> Okay.
00:57:57 >> Right. But when there is an elder
00:58:00 present, he is only to preach, teach,
00:58:03 expound, exhort and baptize.
00:58:07 >> Now mention here, this is not
00:58:09 necessarily an elder of a particular
00:58:12 office. But if
00:58:14 >> so is that basically when it’s stated
00:58:17 like that, is that basically just
00:58:18 stating when there is a Melkazedc
00:58:20 priesthood holder present? Is that
00:58:22 basically what it’s saying? Mhm.
00:58:24 >> Yeah. He he’s um
00:58:28 to have the Melzdc priesthood, you have
00:58:32 uh learned how things and kept things as
00:58:35 they are supposed to be more than
00:58:38 ironic,
00:58:39 >> right?
00:58:39 >> Okay. So, this is
00:58:41 >> most likely because there’s an age
00:58:42 requirement. So, it’s not an absolute
00:58:45 in.
00:58:46 >> Go ahead, Ben. So this is an interesting
00:58:49 thing going back to the first exodus
00:58:53 and at the foot of Sinai.
00:58:56 The elders of the people went up halfway
00:59:00 up the mountain with Moses and met with
00:59:01 God. Met with uh Elohim.
00:59:06 Saw him face to face.
00:59:07 >> Mhm.
00:59:08 >> Dinner.
00:59:09 >> 70 of them to be specific. Right.
00:59:11 things.
00:59:12 >> Yeah.
00:59:13 This was before the this of course was
00:59:17 before the Melkisedc priesthood was
00:59:19 taken from them.
00:59:21 >> Yeah.
00:59:23 >> But
00:59:24 >> no, it wasn’t taken from
00:59:27 >> Okay.
00:59:28 >> I just want to say Okay,
00:59:30 >> let me finish real quick. There are
00:59:32 references after that to the elders of
00:59:35 the people. Is this referring in in the
00:59:37 same light or is this a different light?
00:59:41 Uh we’d have to look at specific verses
00:59:44 because um Melzdc priesthood was taking
00:59:47 away on mass not every single person. So
00:59:53 >> so they could still potentially have
00:59:55 been elders.
00:59:57 >> Yes. Um, and also
01:00:02 was it DNC
01:00:04 20 or something or 21 where it brings
01:00:08 out how Joseph Smith is the first elder.
01:00:10 He had the MKEDC priesthood. He just
01:00:13 couldn’t act as an elder
01:00:16 >> um
01:00:17 >> until the appropriate age
01:00:19 >> which is when the church structure
01:00:20 changed is when he was 30 Hebrew.
01:00:23 >> Right. Right.
01:00:23 >> So he had the Melzdc priesthood hence
01:00:25 the word elder. He just couldn’t act as
01:00:28 an elder
01:00:29 >> until until he was of the correct age.
01:00:32 >> But it is interesting here. Look who’s
01:00:34 in charge of the church unless there was
01:00:36 an elder.
01:00:38 >> The priest.
01:00:40 >> Yeah. So it’s even this even right here
01:00:42 kind of leaves into play that Joseph was
01:00:46 still in charge
01:00:47 >> regardless.
01:00:49 >> He was the elder. There wasn’t others
01:00:51 until later. But anyways, he was the
01:00:54 elder.
01:00:56 So that does help kind of clarify some.
01:00:58 What is it? Is that DNC 21 or something
01:01:01 like that?
01:01:02 >> I wanted to say it’s 21 because 20 and
01:01:05 21
01:01:06 uh
01:01:07 >> they deal almost exclusively with
01:01:10 >> Yeah.
01:01:11 >> priesthood stuff
01:01:12 >> organization
01:01:14 >> organization and and how the different
01:01:18 offices within the priesthoods are
01:01:20 supposed to be managed.
01:01:23 >> Yeah.
01:01:23 >> Yeah. But this right here could help
01:01:25 make that part make more sense. Right.
01:01:28 >> Yeah.
01:01:28 >> And knowing that he had he was an elder.
01:01:30 He just couldn’t act as
01:01:33 >> uh Right. one.
01:01:34 >> Right. He couldn’t he couldn’t Yes.
01:01:36 Right.
01:01:37 >> Have the age requirement yet. But
01:01:39 >> Right.
01:01:40 >> He was still head of the church. So it’s
01:01:42 kind of a
01:01:44 >> interesting
01:01:44 >> double is it’s a double. Yeah. It’s a
01:01:48 kind of
01:01:50 boot.
01:01:51 >> Yeah. Uh, and visit the house of each
01:01:53 member, exhorting them to pray vocally
01:01:55 and in secret, and attend to all family
01:01:57 duties. That’s the second time that’s
01:01:59 been said.
01:02:00 >> So, that must be really, really
01:02:02 important
01:02:03 >> since it said it exactly the same way
01:02:05 twice.
01:02:07 >> Yeah.
01:02:08 >> Um, and in all these duties, the priest
01:02:11 is to assist the elder if occasion
01:02:16 requires.
01:02:17 >> So, priests can help elders.
01:02:20 >> Yep.
01:02:21 Yep.
01:02:22 >> So maybe deacons help uh the teachers or
01:02:26 priests but not elders.
01:02:29 >> No, they’re they’re only to help the
01:02:30 teachers and priests, which is what it
01:02:32 specifically states in the section for
01:02:35 the deacons. I’m pretty sure
01:02:36 >> it Let’s see.
01:02:38 >> I’m pretty sure says
01:02:42 where is it? Where is it?
01:02:43 >> Uh assistance duties.
01:02:48 Oh no, it said all his duties in the
01:02:51 church.
01:02:52 >> Oh, so 57.
01:02:56 Oh, this is talking about teachers here.
01:02:58 Um,
01:02:59 >> yeah.
01:03:00 >> So, because I just So, 57. There’s 57.
01:03:03 So, that’s teachers. So, I I I need to
01:03:05 clean this up a little bit as you guys
01:03:07 can see.
01:03:09 >> Um,
01:03:10 >> so, uh, let’s pause for one second.
01:03:13 Okay.
01:03:13 >> Okay.
01:03:17 >> Yeah.
01:03:19 Okay. And then I think we did this
01:03:22 already, but just in case. And the
01:03:24 duties of the priest is assist the elder
01:03:26 if occasion requires. And we just double
01:03:28 checked the the deacons are to assist
01:03:32 teachers cuz 57 has to do with teachers.
01:03:35 >> Mhm.
01:03:36 >> Uh and then
01:03:40 and even like uh there’s that. And
01:03:45 our teacher supposed to assist? Let’s
01:03:47 see. I don’t think it said that, did it?
01:03:50 >> No.
01:03:50 >> No, it did not.
01:03:52 >> No. So,
01:03:55 >> and that would um Yeah, teachers are not
01:04:00 assisted.
01:04:02 >> I mean, sorry, let me priests are not
01:04:04 assisted by teachers.
01:04:06 >> However, teachers can take over, take
01:04:09 the lead of meetings if there’s not an
01:04:11 elder or priest present.
01:04:12 >> Uh, right. But that’s not assisting the
01:04:16 >> No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:04:18 >> And that means no sacrament.
01:04:21 >> Right.
01:04:21 >> Right.
01:04:22 >> Right.
01:04:22 >> Unfortunately,
01:04:24 >> get together,
01:04:25 >> right? Right.
01:04:25 >> Together, learning to
01:04:27 >> Well, it’s a it’s a it’s it can be a
01:04:28 study session or something like that.
01:04:30 But yeah,
01:04:31 >> as I said, but it’s still a get
01:04:33 together.
01:04:34 >> Yeah. Which is what they’re supposed to
01:04:35 make sure happens, right?
01:04:37 >> Fellowshipping. Yes. Fellowshipping.
01:04:40 >> Yeah. That the church meet together
01:04:42 often. And maybe it is just fellowship,
01:04:44 right? So
01:04:45 >> yeah.
01:04:45 >> Yeah.
01:04:46 >> And that could be just as important as
01:04:47 anything else.
01:04:48 >> Well, I mean, heck, look at what we did.
01:04:51 Look at what we did yesterday. We didn’t
01:04:52 do a recording yesterday, but we needed
01:04:54 the fellowship. So there you have it.
01:04:56 >> Well, and then also on top of that, our
01:04:59 first hour, I kind of unless someone’s
01:05:01 like in a hurry, I’d have it be
01:05:03 fellowship. Right. So,
01:05:05 >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
01:05:07 >> Okay. All right. So I this we already
01:05:10 read because I think we read that with
01:05:11 the teachers. Yeah.
01:05:13 >> So let’s go to bishops.
01:05:16 >> Uh
01:05:18 >> I got this one.
01:05:19 >> Oh, wait a minute. Let me see if there’s
01:05:20 bishops in DNC20 real quick. So I’m
01:05:22 going to pause. I I
01:05:24 >> my my notes are not the most thorough on
01:05:26 this issue because it hasn’t been one
01:05:28 I’ve been really
01:05:30 >> There might be something about bishops
01:05:31 in section 20. I’m pretty sure there is
01:05:34 >> 107.
01:05:35 >> Yeah, don’t forget about 107.
01:05:37 >> Uh sure. Oh, okay. Let me pause for a
01:05:39 minute.
01:05:42 >> Okay. Hey, Ben, do you want to take a
01:05:44 turn reading? Are you okay with that?
01:05:46 >> Uh, yeah. It’s a little small, but can
01:05:51 you
01:05:51 >> Oh, I I I can see Well, I have it at
01:05:55 where I normally I can make it a little
01:05:58 bigger if you want.
01:05:59 >> I just need to get this closer to me.
01:06:01 >> Okay.
01:06:04 Okay.
01:06:06 Doctrine and Covenants section 20 verse
01:06:10 67.
01:06:14 Every president of the high priesthood
01:06:17 or presiding elder, bishop, high
01:06:20 counselor and high priest is to be
01:06:24 ordained by the direction of a high cal
01:06:29 of a high counsel of the church or
01:06:32 general conference.
01:06:34 >> Okay. So uh in uh later we do get
01:06:38 something that’s a little more specific
01:06:40 than that verse. Right. So this was
01:06:44 >> this is this is an example of um more
01:06:48 information being given as questions are
01:06:50 asked.
01:06:52 >> Yes. In fact maybe we just uh no we’ll
01:06:55 do that at the end uh just to keep them
01:06:57 in order. Um so this is like who who can
01:07:02 give stuff to the bishop. So I mean it
01:07:04 is in DNC 20. Um but
01:07:08 >> they they are to be ordained to their
01:07:10 office by the high council apparently of
01:07:13 the church.
01:07:14 >> Uh well so let’s look at what’s going on
01:07:18 here. There was not the presidency of
01:07:23 the high priesthood at the time when
01:07:24 DNC20 was given.
01:07:26 >> Yeah. Yeah. So that does kind of go
01:07:29 along with what’s being stated there and
01:07:33 how when Joseph Smith turned the uh 30
01:07:38 Hebrew or 29
01:07:41 >> Greek
01:07:42 >> Greek the church changed and then here’s
01:07:44 what’s supposed to now how it’s supposed
01:07:46 to be. So this is going the church
01:07:50 structure changed as the person who was
01:07:53 in supposed to be in charge uh uh met
01:07:57 the age requirement. Right?
01:07:59 >> Okay.
01:08:00 >> So let’s go here to the next one here.
01:08:02 Doctrine and covenant section 41 verse9.
01:08:06 And again I have called my servant
01:08:09 Edward Partridge and I give a
01:08:11 commandment that he should be appointed
01:08:14 by the voice of the church. Wait, I’ve
01:08:16 called him, yet he still must be
01:08:18 appointed by a voice by the voice of the
01:08:21 church.
01:08:21 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is saying Yahweh
01:08:23 wants him to be there, but the church
01:08:27 actually has to make up their mind if
01:08:29 that’s what they want or not.
01:08:30 >> Isn’t there a highback in the Old
01:08:32 Testament after the judges uh when they
01:08:35 when the people call for a king and they
01:08:38 choose to have a king? This is kind of
01:08:41 goes along with that wherein Yahwa wants
01:08:45 his people to choose their leadersh.
01:08:49 >> Mhm.
01:08:50 >> He still wants them to exercise their
01:08:53 agency.
01:08:54 >> And you know, it’s really interesting
01:08:55 that in the law, it’s like he foresaw
01:08:59 that they would eventually choose to
01:09:00 have kings and he gave
01:09:04 restrictions on the power of kings. But
01:09:09 but also it’s
01:09:12 this is a tricky one, but it’s not
01:09:15 against the law to have a king.
01:09:17 >> I I didn’t I didn’t
01:09:19 >> I know you didn’t say that. I’m just
01:09:20 trying to clear this up because if it
01:09:23 was against Torah to have a king, Yeshua
01:09:26 couldn’t be our king. The issue is
01:09:29 having a king that’s like or behaves
01:09:32 like the pagans. That’s the issue.
01:09:35 >> Right.
01:09:36 >> Right. having having a king who is not
01:09:40 actively trying to become
01:09:44 like Yeshua.
01:09:45 >> But I I do find that really really
01:09:48 interesting that though Ya has called
01:09:51 Edward Partridge this, he does leave it
01:09:53 to the voice of the church.
01:09:54 >> Now I here’s another thing uh I think
01:09:57 goes along with this as we’ve talked
01:09:58 about some already but I’m bringing out
01:10:00 explicitly. They were already organized
01:10:03 at that time.
01:10:04 >> Yes. So that’s why the church had to
01:10:07 decide themselves. But this is what
01:10:10 Yahweh wants, but do what you think is
01:10:12 best, right?
01:10:13 >> I I just noticed something else towards
01:10:16 the end of this verse, too, because I it
01:10:19 makes me think that bishop is supposed
01:10:21 to be a fulltime
01:10:24 job. It is a bishop onto the church to
01:10:28 leave his merchandise and to spend all
01:10:31 his time in the labors of the church.
01:10:34 That’s a full-time calling
01:10:38 calling.
01:10:38 >> The bishop is actually supposed to be
01:10:40 paid.
01:10:41 >> Yes. One thing I bring up bishops are
01:10:43 judges
01:10:44 >> getting that
01:10:45 >> is they’re paid. It’s a paid job in the
01:10:47 church. It’s they’re not teachers.
01:10:52 um they are um it’s like the government
01:10:55 part of the church. Okay.
01:11:00 >> They’re not being paid to teach, but
01:11:02 they’re payment is for what they’re
01:11:04 doing all day long every day. Okay.
01:11:06 >> Right.
01:11:09 >> So, and that’s what I was getting at.
01:11:10 That sounds like that’s a fulltime 247
01:11:15 job.
01:11:16 >> Yeah. leave his merchandise or leave his
01:11:20 job and spend all day working for the
01:11:25 church.
01:11:27 >> Yeah.
01:11:27 >> And here’s the other thing, too. I’m
01:11:29 sorry. Here’s the other thing, too.
01:11:32 >> It’s all good. The
01:11:35 the bishop, think about his
01:11:37 responsibilities.
01:11:39 He’s got to organize the deacons.
01:11:42 He’s got to organize the teachers. And
01:11:45 he’s got to organize the priests.
01:11:47 >> Yes. Yes.
01:11:48 >> What they have to do.
01:11:50 >> Yeah. Yeah. And we’ll get into that even
01:11:51 more in when we go over 107, right?
01:11:54 >> Yeah. So,
01:11:55 >> Yep. Yep. There’s a lot.
01:11:57 >> So, this is a full-time it’s a full-time
01:11:59 job. And the bishop is also a judge in
01:12:01 Israel.
01:12:02 >> Yeah. Yes. Like a real judge. So, when
01:12:05 there’s a problem, um, it’s like,
01:12:08 >> guess who it goes to? Guess who it goes
01:12:10 to? Yeah. When the neighbors are
01:12:12 fighting and you have to make a decision
01:12:15 like King Solomon did.
01:12:17 >> When the neighbors are fighting,
01:12:18 >> you go to the bishop.
01:12:19 >> Yeah. When the neighbors are calling
01:12:21 each other butt faces.
01:12:25 >> Yeah. Uh
01:12:29 reference to to Stephen’s lovely
01:12:31 neighbors.
01:12:34 >> That or how people treat each others on
01:12:36 uh social media and they’re
01:12:38 >> Oh, yeah. That too. Yeah.
01:12:40 >> Yeah, that’s that’s funny. Yeah,
01:12:43 >> but that that what happened with me is
01:12:45 does is according to the law. Um but
01:12:49 they’re supposed to handle the court
01:12:51 cases,
01:12:52 >> right?
01:12:54 >> Among other things, right? But they’re
01:12:56 being paid. It’s their it’s their day
01:12:58 job.
01:12:59 >> Yeah.
01:12:59 >> It’s their it’s their whole job.
01:13:02 >> Yeah.
01:13:03 >> Maybe 5112, I think.
01:13:06 >> It’s their whole job. It’s not just
01:13:08 their day job. That’s their whole job.
01:13:09 That’s
01:13:10 >> Yeah.
01:13:10 >> He said, “Leave his leave the
01:13:14 merchandise and spend all your time.”
01:13:18 >> All of your time.
01:13:20 >> Valid point. Valid point. I wasn’t old
01:13:22 enough there. Sorry.
01:13:23 >> Yeah. It’s all good.
01:13:26 >> Okay.
01:13:27 >> Covenants 512. Anybody?
01:13:29 >> Sure.
01:13:30 >> Oh, I’ll read it.
01:13:31 >> No, I’m I
01:13:32 >> Yeah, we’re ready.
01:13:33 >> I was just asking if I could read it.
01:13:35 >> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, I I think
01:13:38 so.
01:13:38 >> Yeah. Okay. And this shall be done
01:13:41 through this shall be done through the
01:13:43 bishop or the agent which shall be
01:13:46 appointed by the voice
01:13:50 >> as in vote of the people. Oh, so uh let
01:13:55 let’s go change apps find out what that
01:13:57 thing is. So this is where some of my
01:13:59 notes uh you can see how I’m not
01:14:02 sometimes I need to make some things
01:14:03 better. Here’s one occasion of that.
01:14:05 Right. So, so with Stephen, while
01:14:07 Stephen’s finding that, I just want to
01:14:09 point out how crucial it is that Yahwa
01:14:12 gives you uh a member of the church, a a
01:14:16 member of the church in Zion.
01:14:20 >> Uh the choice Well, let let me finish.
01:14:24 Sorry. uh a choice in Zion because it’s
01:14:28 the same choice
01:14:30 that Joshua gave the children of Yeshel
01:14:35 before they entered into the land. I
01:14:38 think there should be a popular vote to
01:14:39 depose teacher and Zion.
01:14:42 >> Anyway,
01:14:43 >> that’s before they go into the land.
01:14:50 um whether they will choose good, which
01:14:54 is what Yahwa wants, or whether they
01:14:57 will choose according to their own will,
01:15:01 which is usually
01:15:06 >> not good.
01:15:07 >> What Yahweh wants and is usually
01:15:09 deceitful and what have you.
01:15:12 >> But at this at this time, the uh rebels
01:15:15 will be sorted out. That is in prophecy
01:15:19 that the rebel as well be thrown out at
01:15:21 this time.
01:15:22 >> Well, yeah, but you know what I’m saying
01:15:24 though. My point is not to talk about
01:15:27 right here, right now. It is, but it the
01:15:31 whole point is use your voice to support
01:15:36 what Yahoo wants. Choose good. Choose
01:15:40 you this day whom ye will serve.
01:15:43 And then on top of that, um, when
01:15:46 leaders are not doing what they’re
01:15:48 supposed to,
01:15:50 >> way in the revelations state, the
01:15:53 members are to keep the leaders in
01:15:55 check. Now, it’s not just because they
01:15:57 don’t like what they’re doing. It has to
01:15:59 be according to Yahw’s word.
01:16:01 >> It has to be according to Torah. Yes.
01:16:04 >> Yeah. You gota The leaders are held to
01:16:06 Yahweh’s word. Now, there are
01:16:12 There’s some leeway in things and how to
01:16:15 do some things, but so you can’t hold
01:16:19 them to your opinion over how their
01:16:21 opinion is. But you hold them to the
01:16:25 actual word of yaw. Okay.
01:16:27 >> Correct.
01:16:28 >> As long as what they’re doing is within
01:16:29 those bounds, you have to let them or
01:16:32 you have do another vote, right? If
01:16:35 enough people want them there anymore.
01:16:37 So
01:16:38 >> Right. Right. Right. So, I found the
01:16:40 verses we want. It’s uh 9 through 12. Uh
01:16:45 and I’m just going to say it’s about
01:16:47 tithing, but I I can read this one. Um
01:16:50 and let every man deal honestly and be
01:16:53 alike among this people and receive
01:16:55 alike that they may be one even as I
01:16:58 have commanded you. Uh and let that
01:17:02 which belong to this people not be taken
01:17:04 and given unto that of another church or
01:17:06 another group of people. Right?
01:17:08 Wherefore, if another church would
01:17:09 receive money of this church, let them
01:17:12 pay unto this church again according as
01:17:16 they shall agree.
01:17:17 >> They’re talking about the different
01:17:18 branches, right?
01:17:20 >> Um Oh, maybe that’s what it Yeah, maybe
01:17:23 it is the different branches. That would
01:17:24 make more sense. Um
01:17:25 >> Right.
01:17:26 >> Yeah. So along with this, so uh in
01:17:30 Torah, the first five books of Moses to
01:17:33 be more specific, it does state that
01:17:36 tithing stays local. And it does and I
01:17:38 think uh Josh did call out what’s going
01:17:40 on here. Tithing stays local.
01:17:43 >> Yeah.
01:17:44 >> So that that’s good. I I should add that
01:17:47 to the other verse from the five books
01:17:50 of Moses. It states that tithing stays
01:17:52 Torah. So, here’s another example
01:17:56 of Torah in the DNC, right?
01:18:00 >> Oh my goodness. It’s just everywhere.
01:18:02 It’s just everywhere.
01:18:04 >> Yeah. Um it’s just when you don’t study
01:18:08 it, you’re not going to see it. Right.
01:18:11 >> There’s another one on Torah, on tithing
01:18:14 in the DNC about um
01:18:17 uh declaring your um stewardship. Uh and
01:18:21 that that’s from Torah also on
01:18:26 >> and even the way worded goes back to the
01:18:28 five books of Moses. So anyways um but
01:18:32 good catch there Josh. Thank you. Um
01:18:35 >> so uh tithing stay local. Uh but it for
01:18:41 the most part you can help others as you
01:18:43 can and you’ll even see that with Paul,
01:18:46 right? Sometimes the churches helped
01:18:48 with some other ones but for the most
01:18:50 part
01:18:51 However, if you help another church,
01:18:53 they should pay you back.
01:18:57 >> Yes. Um I I think this I don’t know how
01:19:01 >> to a reasonable agreement of payment.
01:19:04 >> Yeah. I I don’t know if that’s like
01:19:06 every single penny or just do the best
01:19:08 you can or when they can. So there
01:19:10 there’s
01:19:11 >> a little maybe just an agreement to
01:19:14 return the favor. Who knows? Yeah, it
01:19:16 there’s a little ambiguity.
01:19:19 >> Ambiguity.
01:19:20 >> Ambiguity.
01:19:21 >> Ambiguity.
01:19:22 >> Yes, that word I think in there because
01:19:25 >> yeah,
01:19:26 >> payment is not always cash, right?
01:19:28 >> Well, and and and and it goes back to
01:19:30 verse 9. Let and let every man deal
01:19:33 honestly.
01:19:36 >> Yes.
01:19:38 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:19:39 >> That’s actually incredibly important.
01:19:41 It’s a part of one of the most
01:19:42 overlooked parts of the uh of the whole
01:19:45 thing.
01:19:46 >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh yes. Deal. Honestly, um
01:19:49 as
01:19:51 >> not trying to rip people off, right?
01:19:53 >> Right.
01:19:55 >> Not trying to get one over on and not
01:19:57 trying to get one over on somebody.
01:19:58 Right.
01:19:59 >> Yes. So that that’s some good
01:20:01 information there about Bishop Rick and
01:20:03 tithing there, right?
01:20:05 >> Yeah. That’s awesome.
01:20:07 That also goes against how the LDS
01:20:09 church sends everything to Salt Lake
01:20:10 City, Utah.
01:20:12 >> Yeah.
01:20:13 >> Well, I I think we I think we’ve
01:20:16 established pretty well in this
01:20:18 recording that the LDS church is doing
01:20:20 anything right.
01:20:21 >> Uh
01:20:23 well, they might do one or two things
01:20:25 right, but
01:20:26 >> they’re doing very little right. Let’s
01:20:27 just put it that way. regards to the
01:20:29 Yeah, they they’ve got Okay, so they
01:20:31 have the teachers going out to the
01:20:34 houses, but that’s apparently from what
01:20:37 we’ve covered here, that’s actually not
01:20:38 what they’re supposed to be doing.
01:20:41 >> Yeah. Well, okay, but are you just
01:20:43 talking about priesthood stuff or just
01:20:45 things in general?
01:20:47 >> I’m talking about priesthood uh
01:20:49 administration.
01:20:50 So, the one thing I do know that they’re
01:20:53 doing kind of right, other than they
01:20:56 don’t have the Melkazedc priesthood, but
01:20:58 I I don’t have it either, is bishops.
01:21:01 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:02 >> Yeah.
01:21:03 >> Unless there’s someone, but but here’s
01:21:06 the problem. They’re not
01:21:07 >> necessarily doing that right either
01:21:10 because I know that um a very small
01:21:13 percentage of the actual bishops in in
01:21:16 in the church are probably descended
01:21:18 from Levi. So, um, they’re not doing
01:21:20 that.
01:21:21 >> Yeah. And I I know of cases where people
01:21:24 brought up how they are descendants and
01:21:26 they just
01:21:27 >> and they said, “Yeah, you’re deceiving
01:21:30 yourself or something like that.”
01:21:31 >> Yeah. They come up with some excuse. But
01:21:33 anyways,
01:21:34 >> so although
01:21:36 so the one part where they’re they think
01:21:39 the bishops have Melzdc priesthood when
01:21:41 they’re not uh Levi, right? They’re
01:21:43 doing that, right? They just don’t have
01:21:45 the MKZdc priesthood. So ultimately,
01:21:47 they’re not doing it right. Ultimately,
01:21:49 they’re still not right. But at the same
01:21:51 time, at least they’re attempting to uh
01:21:54 at least they’re attempting to be.
01:21:56 >> Yeah, they’re attempting to do that one
01:21:58 correctly. So,
01:22:00 >> right. But that’s about the only one
01:22:03 >> uh that I can think off the top of my
01:22:05 head right now. Um
01:22:06 >> Yeah. The ironic priesthood. Yeah.
01:22:09 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh Ben, are you
01:22:12 willing to keep
01:22:13 >> Yes, I am. Uh this is 107.
01:22:16 >> I was just uh waiting for a waiting for
01:22:18 a wall here.
01:22:20 >> Do covenants 10713-17.
01:22:25 >> Okay.
01:22:27 The second priesthood is called the pre
01:22:30 is called the priesthood of Aaron
01:22:32 because it was conferred upon Aaron and
01:22:33 his sons and his seed throughout all
01:22:36 their generations. Why it’s called the
01:22:39 lesser priesthood is because it is an
01:22:41 appendage of the greater or the
01:22:43 Melkisedc priesthood and the power and
01:22:46 has power in administering outward
01:22:48 ordinances.
01:22:49 >> Now I I do want to bring out just real
01:22:50 quick there’s only two priesthoods
01:22:52 despite what some people claim that
01:22:54 there being three. There’s only two and
01:22:57 I think 107 says that right?
01:23:00 >> Yes it does.
01:23:02 >> Okay.
01:23:02 >> Yes 107 says that.
01:23:04 >> I think it’s more near the beginning. We
01:23:05 don’t need to go look at it. I just want
01:23:07 to bring it out. Okay. Because
01:23:08 >> yeah,
01:23:10 >> there’s a lot of people that still push
01:23:11 the idea of three. So anyways,
01:23:13 >> the bishop
01:23:14 >> because they misunderstand I’m sorry,
01:23:16 Ben. It’s because they misunderstand
01:23:18 scriptures in in u that
01:23:24 uh Levitical about the Levitical
01:23:26 priesthood and the ironic priesthood and
01:23:28 their misunderstanding and twisting
01:23:30 scriptures.
01:23:31 >> Well, and I think some of it also is
01:23:32 culture too. Yeah, there that could be
01:23:35 it too. Yeah.
01:23:38 >> So,
01:23:38 >> sorry, man.
01:23:39 >> Okay.
01:23:41 Uh, the bishop Rick is the presidency of
01:23:43 this priesthood and holds the keys or or
01:23:47 authority of the S.
01:23:48 >> Oh, wait. Did we do 14?
01:23:51 >> Uh, yes.
01:23:51 >> Yes. Yes, we did.
01:23:53 >> Okay. Well, I do want to bring out
01:23:55 something that Ben brought out unless
01:23:57 Ben remembers what it is and he can do
01:23:59 it.
01:24:00 >> Okay. So
01:24:02 uh and uh the outward ordinances
01:24:07 the uh there is only uh one office in
01:24:11 the ironic priesthood that has any um
01:24:15 right to perform outward ordinances on
01:24:17 any level that is the priests.
01:24:20 The um the other thing is is that these
01:24:24 outward ordinances, baptism, these
01:24:28 outward ordinances are all signs. They
01:24:31 in themselves are not covenants. They
01:24:33 are signs
01:24:34 of a covenant.
01:24:36 The uh the
01:24:40 bapt baptism is a sign
01:24:43 >> or as I I would use more witness, but it
01:24:46 ultimately it’s the same thing. Mhm.
01:24:48 >> I I just like Mosiah 18 and and the
01:24:52 sacrament prayers use the word witness,
01:24:55 but it’s I do believe it’s the same
01:24:57 thing
01:24:57 >> in one way or you know they both words
01:25:00 are used in describing but they they
01:25:04 baptism baptism is a is a sign and a
01:25:08 witness to the covenant that you have
01:25:10 made already that you will observe and
01:25:12 keep all of Yost’s commandments.
01:25:16 It is an outward ordinance um confirming
01:25:20 to the eyes of those watching
01:25:23 the inward covenant that you have made.
01:25:28 >> Similarly, sacrament
01:25:31 >> is an outward ordinance
01:25:33 >> and the sign go.
01:25:39 >> Okay. What was that? What was I waiting
01:25:42 for?
01:25:42 >> Witness. I said sign or witness. or a
01:25:44 sign or a w Okay. It’s a sign or a
01:25:47 witness to to the renewal
01:25:51 of your covenant.
01:25:53 >> Mhm.
01:25:54 >> It is a sign and a witness to your
01:25:58 desire to take upon you the name or
01:26:01 character of Yeshua.
01:26:04 And it is a desire and it is a sign or
01:26:07 witness that you will keep all of his
01:26:11 commandments.
01:26:12 >> Yes.
01:26:13 >> Yeah. So the
01:26:15 >> now the thing about a sign or a witness
01:26:18 is that it can work for you or and it
01:26:21 can work against you.
01:26:24 >> It’s a double-edged sword. Yes.
01:26:26 >> Like blessings and cursings, right?
01:26:29 >> Lay before you this day. Blessings and
01:26:32 cursings. Life and death.
01:26:37 >> Blessings.
01:26:38 >> When we take these signs unworthily,
01:26:41 >> Yeah. They kill us.
01:26:44 >> Yes. So, um, so the one I was those
01:26:48 those are good things that been brought
01:26:50 out, but the one I was thinking about
01:26:51 that been brought out another time
01:26:54 um is against the brigamic temple
01:26:57 because um Melzdc priesthood does not do
01:27:01 outward ordinances.
01:27:03 >> Yeah, that’s right. That is right. That
01:27:05 is right. The now in the Yeah, the
01:27:09 that’s right. the Brgamites, they have
01:27:11 those outward th those outward
01:27:13 ordinances. Now, they’ll say they’re not
01:27:14 outward because they’re supposed to be
01:27:16 secret and nobody ever gets into the
01:27:18 temple with a camera to record them and
01:27:20 puts them on YouTube. Um, that never
01:27:23 happens. But but even on top of that,
01:27:27 they actually do say that the garments
01:27:30 that they wear is an outward
01:27:33 symbol of an inward commitment, but
01:27:35 that’s done showing that is an outward
01:27:38 ordinance because it’s all
01:27:40 >> Yeah. The
01:27:43 even their own words,
01:27:45 >> they’re not even they’re not even
01:27:46 following their own books of scripture.
01:27:50 >> Yeah. Anyways, let
01:27:51 >> Josh uh
01:27:54 >> is this noobs?
01:27:59 >> No, I’m just saying it with emphasis.
01:28:01 >> I’m just saying it with emphasis so that
01:28:04 you know people will hopefully it will
01:28:06 connect.
01:28:07 >> Right. They don’t.
01:28:08 >> Yeah, they don’t. This is This is how
01:28:11 you can tell a false religion because
01:28:14 they falsify their own scriptures.
01:28:17 >> Uh right. And so what’s being brought
01:28:20 out is it’s claimed that Melkisedc
01:28:22 priest is needed for the LDS brigamite
01:28:25 temples
01:28:26 >> which are outward ordinance.
01:28:28 >> This right here goes against this
01:28:30 because this is talking about the ironic
01:28:32 priesthood and that’s they don’t claim
01:28:34 that’s ironic priesthood stuff going in
01:28:37 the temple.
01:28:38 >> Ionic priesthood cannot officiate in the
01:28:40 temple
01:28:42 and what’s being done in the temple is
01:28:44 nothing
01:28:44 >> in LDS bring temple. Let’s just make
01:28:46 that clear. Yeah.
01:28:49 Good clarification.
01:28:51 >> I won’t repeat it.
01:28:53 >> Okay.
01:28:53 >> Um
01:28:54 but the uh the what’s being done in the
01:28:58 LDS brigamite temples is that is nothing
01:29:02 other than outward ordinances
01:29:05 there. Um and yeah, we’ll just leave it
01:29:10 at that. It’s nothing but outward
01:29:11 ordinances. It shouldn’t be being
01:29:13 officiated by the MelkiseDC priesthood
01:29:15 because the MelkiseDC priesthood is the
01:29:17 voice of God. The ironic priesthood are
01:29:19 his arms uh are his arms and legs and
01:29:23 what have you
01:29:24 >> and hands
01:29:25 >> and hands.
01:29:27 So the so they do the outward
01:29:31 ordinances. Um, the Melkisedc priesthood
01:29:36 provides the instruction that helps
01:29:38 people live on the level that they can
01:29:41 receive the inward ordinances.
01:29:45 >> So, John, um, are you willing to help us
01:29:49 understand what outward is?
01:29:52 >> Absolutely.
01:29:54 External. So you mean it like something
01:29:57 showing that’s outside of our flesh,
01:30:02 right?
01:30:03 >> Like my shirt is my outward clothing.
01:30:07 >> Oh. Oh, you mean like the the garments?
01:30:10 >> Yeah.
01:30:11 >> Oh,
01:30:13 >> it sounds like an outward ordinance
01:30:15 going off, but
01:30:16 >> Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, oh, oh,
01:30:18 wait. Definition two. external
01:30:24 >> visibly visible
01:30:27 opposed to inward.
01:30:31 >> Yeah, th those uh those handshakes are
01:30:34 outward external. I’m sorry.
01:30:37 >> Opposed.
01:30:38 >> Okay,
01:30:39 >> I will repeat it one more time.
01:30:41 >> Opposed
01:30:43 as in baptism of fire, which is an
01:30:47 inward thing, right?
01:30:48 >> Oh, by the way,
01:30:50 >> yeah. Anyways,
01:30:52 >> which is actually which is actually
01:30:53 given to the individual by Yahw himself.
01:30:57 But the instruction from the Melkisedc
01:30:59 priesthood prepares the individual.
01:31:03 >> Yeah, that’s a Melzdc ordinance as
01:31:06 defined by Moroni. I forget which
01:31:09 chapter, but anyways. Mhm.
01:31:12 >> So guess what guys,
01:31:14 >> definition three, extrinsic,
01:31:17 which means to do with the outside of
01:31:20 yourself.
01:31:22 >> Yes.
01:31:23 >> Oh, contrary to baptism of fire, right?
01:31:27 >> Right. Right.
01:31:28 >> Baptism of the Holy Spirit too. Right.
01:31:31 >> Which is
01:31:32 your entrails, your extrails.
01:31:35 So the baptism of fire and the baptism
01:31:37 of the Holy Ghost both are very ex
01:31:40 intrinsic experiences.
01:31:42 >> Yeah, they’re inside
01:31:45 so much inside uh when the denters had
01:31:49 it they didn’t understand it until they
01:31:52 got told later as described in helman 5
01:31:55 and 35.
01:31:57 >> This is what was happening by the way
01:31:59 guys. But according to But according to
01:32:02 Brighgamite LDS false prophets,
01:32:05 if one
01:32:09 that one can never experience the
01:32:11 fullness of the Holy Ghost without these
01:32:13 outward ordinances
01:32:15 >> uh initiated over wrongfully by the
01:32:19 Melkisedc priesthood.
01:32:21 >> Yeah, it’s such a lie. Um and and I
01:32:24 >> That’s because they don’t that’s because
01:32:25 they don’t understand what the Holy
01:32:27 Ghost is.
01:32:28 >> Yeah. The Holy Spirit is Torah and the
01:32:30 baptism of the Holy Spirit is where you
01:32:34 are keeping it completely or pretty dang
01:32:37 close to completely. Um, and more
01:32:42 importantly, Yahweh has told you you
01:32:44 have eternal life. And that is an inward
01:32:48 thing where it’s words given to you.
01:32:51 It’s not a ceremony as claimed by many
01:32:55 people. So,
01:32:56 >> right.
01:32:57 >> Right.
01:32:58 I mean, even the best description we
01:33:00 have of the baptism of fire
01:33:02 is not um it’s an it’s an experience
01:33:08 that each one of those people had
01:33:09 individually.
01:33:11 >> Yeah.
01:33:12 >> It’s not a ceremony they went through,
01:33:14 was it?
01:33:16 >> No.
01:33:16 >> So, it wasn’t an outward thing. It was
01:33:18 an inward.
01:33:19 >> Yeah.
01:33:20 >> Yes.
01:33:21 >> Yeah.
01:33:21 >> And it’s intensely personal.
01:33:24 >> Yeah.
01:33:25 All right. Some
01:33:26 >> very sorry very intrinsic
01:33:30 not extrinsic
01:33:32 >> now foreign
01:33:35 >> so
01:33:37 anyways
01:33:37 >> yeah definition for foreign not in
01:33:41 testing as an outward war
01:33:45 >> yeah okay moving on
01:33:47 >> trending to the exterior part oh wow
01:33:52 >> oh maybe this has to do with a foreign
01:33:54 war right Yeah.
01:33:56 >> So, it’s outside your borders, right?
01:33:58 >> Right. Outside.
01:34:00 >> Yep.
01:34:02 >> As opposed to a civil war,
01:34:04 >> which would be an inward war.
01:34:06 >> Yes.
01:34:07 >> Correct.
01:34:07 >> Uh just uh be careful. There’s one
01:34:10 coming up. Uh inward war civil war,
01:34:12 right?
01:34:13 >> Yes, there is. And it’s coming sooner
01:34:15 than people think.
01:34:17 >> Yeah. Anyway,
01:34:18 >> uh five, tending to the exterior part.
01:34:22 What uh you know there seems to be a
01:34:25 common theme here.
01:34:27 >> Yeah. Exterior
01:34:29 exterior external outtrinsic
01:34:33 uh in scripture
01:34:35 >> a lot of X
01:34:36 >> in scripture civil public as opposed to
01:34:39 religious.
01:34:40 >> Oh in like baptism and sacrament are
01:34:44 public ordinances.
01:34:47 verse. Baptism in the Holy
01:34:50 Well, baptism of fire and baptism in the
01:34:52 Holy Spirit are private, eternal, inter
01:34:57 internal.
01:34:58 >> Internal internal well, it has eternal
01:35:00 ramifications.
01:35:01 >> Yeah. Yeah. I still said,
01:35:04 >> but it’s only eternal if you continue to
01:35:06 walk in it.
01:35:07 >> Correct.
01:35:09 >> Uh number seven in theology, carnal,
01:35:12 fleshly, corporeal,
01:35:14 uh not spiritual as the outward man. I
01:35:17 don’t think this one applies but anyways
01:35:19 >> and then outward external form.
01:35:24 >> So
01:35:24 >> the noun, right? The noun. Okay, I got
01:35:26 you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:35:28 >> Th this hopefully people can see the LDS
01:35:32 brigamite temple
01:35:34 um ordinance, if you could call it that,
01:35:37 is an outward and should be being done
01:35:40 by the ironic priesthood if it was
01:35:43 authentically from Yahw.
01:35:46 If it was authentically from Yahw, it
01:35:48 would have to be performed by the ironic
01:35:50 priesthood.
01:35:51 >> Yeah. And it’s not notic and only by the
01:35:54 priest of the ironic priesthood.
01:35:56 >> But it is possible that it is authentic
01:35:59 to another source and performed by
01:36:01 another priesthood.
01:36:04 >> Yeah. I’m just going to say it’s of the
01:36:05 occult. It’s just
01:36:09 >> it’s not of Yahw. It’s of Satan. So,
01:36:11 >> yes.
01:36:12 >> Yep.
01:36:13 >> We’ll leave it at that. But I did And
01:36:15 the covenants that you make are not with
01:36:17 Yah.
01:36:18 >> Well, yeah. And uh and Mosiah 18 brings
01:36:22 out how we covenant keep all his
01:36:23 commandments at baptism before we’re
01:36:26 baptized. And baptism is a witness of
01:36:28 that covenant that we made,
01:36:31 >> right?
01:36:32 >> So there’s no more that you have to
01:36:36 covenant to do because you’re already
01:36:38 covenanted to do everything,
01:36:39 >> right?
01:36:40 >> You don’t need anything else.
01:36:42 >> No. The ones that you do need are
01:36:44 eternal in internal ones.
01:36:48 >> There you go. Yeah.
01:36:49 >> Through the mazes priesthood and that’s
01:36:51 baptism of fire and baptism of the Holy
01:36:54 Spirit.
01:36:55 >> So,
01:36:55 >> right.
01:36:57 >> But I did that out because I did think
01:36:59 it was cool when Ben brought it out
01:37:02 initially and we’re here. So, anyways,
01:37:04 moving on.
01:37:06 >> Uh, so verse 15.
01:37:08 >> Yeah. The bishop is the presidency of
01:37:11 this priesthood.
01:37:12 >> Okay. So which priesthood?
01:37:14 >> The ironic
01:37:15 >> ironic.
01:37:17 >> So now this is going to sound weird and
01:37:20 this is how I
01:37:22 this is what I believe this is saying.
01:37:25 There is not a deacon presidency. There
01:37:28 is not a teachers presidency and there’s
01:37:30 not a priest presidency. There’s a
01:37:33 presidency of the ironic priesthood.
01:37:36 That is
01:37:37 >> mean that one presidency is over all of
01:37:40 them and there’s not
01:37:41 >> all of the ironic priesthood within the
01:37:44 there’s one presidency over the ironic
01:37:46 priesthood within a single church
01:37:48 branch.
01:37:49 >> Correct. So there’s not a presidency for
01:37:51 each um
01:37:54 uh grouping. There’s one presidency for
01:37:56 them all and that is the bishop brick.
01:38:00 >> Right.
01:38:03 Yeah. and and they should be holding the
01:38:05 keys or authority of the entirety of
01:38:10 that priesthood,
01:38:12 >> right?
01:38:12 >> So, no man has a legal right to this
01:38:15 office,
01:38:16 >> meaning
01:38:18 uh
01:38:20 you’re voted in, right?
01:38:22 >> Well,
01:38:23 >> well, except
01:38:27 unless
01:38:28 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
01:38:30 uh to hold the keys of this priesthood
01:38:33 except he be a literal descendant of
01:38:35 Aaron.
01:38:36 >> Now I I I’m going to say something. If
01:38:38 there’s multiple line literal
01:38:40 descendants of Aaron, that’s you still
01:38:43 have to vote.
01:38:44 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:38:46 >> And they have to have the ironic
01:38:49 priesthood. They don’t they just are
01:38:51 descendants. They got to have the ironic
01:38:52 priesthood and worthy and then voted on.
01:38:56 If of course if there’s a only one to
01:38:59 vote on who’s going to win,
01:39:01 >> right?
01:39:02 >> Not the one that is there.
01:39:07 >> No, that can’t be.
01:39:09 >> So there’s only one. There’s
01:39:11 >> So what you’re saying is that just
01:39:14 because they’re a literal descendant of
01:39:16 Aaron doesn’t mean it’s automatic.
01:39:18 >> No. Yeah. Yeah, they got to have the
01:39:21 priesthood because they got they’ve done
01:39:23 something that made it so that they lost
01:39:25 their priesthood. Right.
01:39:26 >> Right. That’s what I’m saying. They have
01:39:28 to be
01:39:30 >> striving to live Torah.
01:39:31 >> Yeah. Yeah. They have to be worthy and
01:39:33 and as we talked about
01:39:35 >> and they have to have the priesthood.
01:39:36 That would help.
01:39:37 >> Yeah. They got to be 25 Hebrew. They got
01:39:40 to be married. The children is not a
01:39:43 requirement because you maybe someone’s
01:39:45 sterile or whatever, right? Or they got
01:39:48 married. They should be married. Yeah,
01:39:50 they should be married.
01:39:50 >> They should be They have to be married.
01:39:52 Okay.
01:39:52 >> Right.
01:39:54 >> So, yeah,
01:39:56 >> because there’s skills and abilities
01:39:58 that you get when you have to live with
01:40:01 somebody
01:40:03 um all the time.
01:40:06 >> Uh being married and dating are two
01:40:09 different things.
01:40:10 >> Yeah. Completely.
01:40:10 >> For those who don’t know, they’re two
01:40:13 different things. Okay.
01:40:14 >> Way different.
01:40:17 But as a high priest of the MelkiseDC
01:40:19 priesthood has authority to officiate in
01:40:22 all the lesser offices, he may officiate
01:40:26 in the office of bishop when no literal
01:40:28 descendant of Aaron can be found
01:40:32 >> uh with the right requirements age and
01:40:35 and being
01:40:36 >> and married and all that stuff. Yeah.
01:40:38 Right.
01:40:39 provided he is called and set apart and
01:40:44 ordained under this power by the hands
01:40:46 of the presidency of the Melkisedc
01:40:49 priesthood.
01:40:50 >> So that is the presidency of the church,
01:40:53 >> right?
01:40:54 >> It’s not a 70 or a state president or
01:40:57 something like
01:40:58 >> something
01:40:59 >> that’s not something they get to
01:41:01 delegate.
01:41:02 >> And it’s not the 12 traveling and it’s
01:41:04 not the 12 travelers either. Wait,
01:41:06 >> no, that that’s completely different.
01:41:08 >> But but the Bergamites say that the the
01:41:11 the quorum of the 12
01:41:14 talk to the
01:41:17 and they have keys and and they and the
01:41:19 stake president has a dormant key. And
01:41:21 so when the uh when when the member of
01:41:24 the core of 12 uh goes to the stake
01:41:26 president, he awakens that dormant key
01:41:29 in the stake president so that he can
01:41:31 then give the keys the that key to the
01:41:35 bishop. And once he does that, then that
01:41:37 key becomes dormant in the stake
01:41:38 president again.
01:41:40 >> So until I see that in the word of Yahw,
01:41:42 that’s such a false tradition of men and
01:41:44 you should not be doing it.
01:41:46 >> Absolutely.
01:41:48 >> Yeah. Uh
01:41:50 >> you know, it’s it’s the most gigantic
01:41:53 cluster screw a brain screw ever.
01:41:58 It’s
01:41:59 >> well
01:42:00 >> when you discuss it, when you talk about
01:42:02 it out loud, it’s a brain screw.
01:42:08 >> I agree.
01:42:10 >> There might be a better way of saying
01:42:12 it, but ultimately I agree.
01:42:14 >> I I but at the same time, you do have to
01:42:18 keep in mind where a lot of people are
01:42:20 who are in the Brigamide LDS church and
01:42:23 who just accept things without really
01:42:26 questioning them. Um then because it
01:42:28 sounds
01:42:29 >> you don’t really study the scriptures
01:42:30 either.
01:42:31 >> Well, so when we were Brighammites, we
01:42:34 didn’t I mean, I’ll tell you, I never
01:42:37 really understood the priesthood. I
01:42:38 don’t think anybody did because they’re
01:42:40 going to get sin the DNC,
01:42:43 >> but I I didn’t question that part. I I
01:42:46 didn’t really So, I just I I mean, it’s
01:42:49 people above me. What am I going to do?
01:42:50 Tell them that they’re wrong? I mean, I
01:42:52 will now, but
01:42:54 >> yeah,
01:42:54 >> back then I didn’t know any better. Yes,
01:42:56 I have. um they they don’t like it. But
01:43:00 even with scriptures, but
01:43:03 the LDS church um doesn’t have you study
01:43:06 scriptures that shows that they’re doing
01:43:08 things that are wrong. Okay? So a lot of
01:43:11 people only the only study of scriptures
01:43:13 is at church.
01:43:16 So here’s
01:43:19 what we can clearly see
01:43:23 is that there is
01:43:25 a hierarchical structure of sorts.
01:43:29 >> Uh some but not to the
01:43:33 >> not to the degree not to the degree that
01:43:35 you find it
01:43:37 >> in the LDS church. Correct. But there is
01:43:40 a hierarchy in
01:43:43 Yah’s church.
01:43:45 >> Yeah. And and and we can see in the
01:43:46 ironic priesthood there’s some hierarchy
01:43:49 and some flat, right? It’s a mixture,
01:43:51 >> right?
01:43:52 >> Yeah.
01:43:53 >> Yeah. So, so what you so the thing that
01:43:56 you have to uh the the um
01:44:01 and this is also further reinforced by
01:44:04 the fact that uh it’s forget which
01:44:07 section it’s in but um
01:44:11 people are not people don’t receive
01:44:14 revelation for those who are above them
01:44:19 in terms of the h in terms of the true
01:44:22 hierarchy that does exist.
01:44:24 for instance, I can’t if I’m not the
01:44:27 president of the church, if I’m just a
01:44:29 lay member, I can’t receive a revelation
01:44:31 for the president of the church.
01:44:34 >> Um, so we got to be careful um because
01:44:37 there is some of that in play, but also
01:44:40 the members are to keep the leaders in
01:44:42 check too. So,
01:44:44 >> no, but that’s not that but they’re to
01:44:45 keep them in check with the revelations
01:44:47 that already exist.
01:44:48 >> I I agree with that. Um, and
01:44:54 and I I wonder, and this is where we
01:44:56 should find the verse to be for sure,
01:44:58 which we could pause about. Um,
01:45:01 >> pause. Let’s pause and look that up.
01:45:02 >> Oh, okay. Yeah, because that would be
01:45:04 the best uh mode of action. So, I’m
01:45:07 going to pause for a minute.
01:45:11 >> Okay. Ben found the verse. This is DNC
01:45:15 286.
01:45:17 and we’ve um so go ahead and we can talk
01:45:19 about it.
01:45:20 >> Okay. In 28 in Doctrine of Covenant
01:45:23 section 28 verse 6 it says, “Thou shalt
01:45:26 not command him who is at thy head and
01:45:29 at the head of the church.” This does
01:45:32 not mean that we cannot hold the head of
01:45:34 the church responsible
01:45:36 for his
01:45:36 >> that’s partly where I was
01:45:38 >> for any mis for any misdeeds. But that
01:45:41 is accountability. That is not
01:45:42 commanding the head of the church. that
01:45:44 is holding him accountable to what he
01:45:48 says he is teaching.
01:45:49 >> Yeah. And I I will wholeheartedly admit
01:45:51 I made a little mistake
01:45:54 >> uh misunderstanding with the commanding
01:45:57 and accountability and that was my bad.
01:45:59 So thank you.
01:46:00 >> So the yeah well um
01:46:04 God knows I need correction often
01:46:06 enough.
01:46:07 Um
01:46:09 but uh the but the point remains that we
01:46:14 don’t
01:46:16 not everybody it’s not the part it’s not
01:46:18 part and parcel while it is stated very
01:46:22 clearly in the old testament that even
01:46:24 babes shall prophesy
01:46:26 it is not the part and parcel of every
01:46:29 member of the church of the firstborn to
01:46:31 receive revelation for the church of the
01:46:33 firstborn.
01:46:34 No. Okay. So,
01:46:37 so bring Ben bring up a new issue. Let
01:46:39 me let’s talk about it a little bit. So,
01:46:42 Yahweh can bring revelation and at
01:46:45 judgment bar with him everybody will be
01:46:48 held accountable for it.
01:46:50 >> Yes.
01:46:51 >> But the issue right here is the church.
01:46:55 What can the church hold people
01:46:57 responsible to? And that’s what’s been
01:47:00 voted on and accepted by common consent.
01:47:03 So there’s a church issue and there’s
01:47:07 the
01:47:09 uh last judgment issue or even on the
01:47:12 civil side there’s the civil common
01:47:14 consent
01:47:15 >> but with the but when it comes to
01:47:18 revealing mysteries commandments
01:47:22 new uh new law
01:47:24 >> the mysteries revelations that uh
01:47:28 expound mysteries that’s the head does
01:47:31 but revelations
01:47:33 for the head to do. That’s for
01:47:35 >> other revelations that aren’t dealing
01:47:37 with mysteries can be.
01:47:40 So
01:47:40 >> yeah, revelation that revelation
01:47:44 uh to help you understand the
01:47:46 revelations that have already been
01:47:47 received is open for everyone.
01:47:52 >> Right? So
01:47:54 >> new mysteries, new doctrines,
01:47:59 new um
01:48:03 new commandments.
01:48:07 >> Yeah. It’s only the head that can do the
01:48:08 command
01:48:09 >> that belongs to the head.
01:48:10 >> Yeah. and and depending on depending on
01:48:14 uh depending on how general or personal
01:48:17 they are that head is either the church
01:48:19 the president of the priesthood or Jesus
01:48:22 Christ himself
01:48:23 >> right um yes as there is some hierarchy
01:48:27 in the church it’s not quite like what a
01:48:30 lot of people claim it is so but there
01:48:33 is some hierarchy and go ahead
01:48:37 >> and I do think that
01:48:41 I do think that uh leaders in the church
01:48:44 should be open to um constructive
01:48:48 criticism
01:48:49 that will help them do their job better.
01:48:51 >> Yeah, I agree. Well, I I
01:48:54 >> not that I’m a leader, but I just took
01:48:56 some I mean, I’m kind of leader of our
01:48:57 little group here, but I just took it.
01:49:00 It’s fine.
01:49:01 >> And be due to that because through that
01:49:07 now that might
01:49:10 come as a you know that might come as a
01:49:12 revelation to that guy from somebody
01:49:14 else who’s beneath him but
01:49:19 he does we should be willing to accept
01:49:23 um constructive criticism. Now, there’s
01:49:26 difference between constructive
01:49:27 criticism and just telling somebody that
01:49:29 he’s a son of [  ] and he needs 01:49:32 >> he has a oh boogie booger face or 01:49:36 >> Yeah, he has booger face. 01:49:40 >> Um there’s difference between 01:49:42 constructive criticism and name calling 01:49:46 attack. 01:49:46 >> Yes, 01:49:47 >> there is a difference between 01:49:48 constructive criticism and ad homonym 01:49:50 attacks. Yes. 01:49:51 >> Yes. So, but but all leaders of the 01:49:55 church should be open to constructive 01:49:58 criticism. 01:49:59 >> Yes. Yeah. Everybody should be. No one’s 01:50:03 above the word of Yahw. Right. So, 01:50:05 >> right. 01:50:06 >> No one. 01:50:07 >> Not even Yahw. 01:50:09 >> Yeah. He he holds him he holds himself 01:50:12 to it. But, 01:50:15 um he’s got it completely written on his 01:50:17 heart before he was born. So he doesn’t 01:50:20 need reminders as we’re still working on 01:50:23 writing it on our heart completely. We 01:50:26 do need reminders, right? So, and the 01:50:29 other thing to bear in mind, 01:50:31 >> the other thing to bear in mind um when 01:50:34 you are constructively criticizing your 01:50:36 leadership 01:50:38 is that you don’t know 01:50:42 um you don’t know what has been revealed 01:50:46 to what has been and what has been 01:50:49 revealed to them already. You should 01:50:50 discuss you should talk things through. 01:50:54 >> Yeah. I think pretty good at that in 01:50:56 this group. 01:50:57 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 01:50:58 >> Maybe not for I think we’re pretty good. 01:51:01 >> Yeah. We for the most part. Yeah. I 01:51:04 think so. 01:51:04 >> Well, this is just general this is just 01:51:06 general advice for anybody who might 01:51:08 actually watch this thing. 01:51:09 >> Sure. Sure. I’m just saying we we we try 01:51:11 to practice that. Yeah. 01:51:13 >> Yes, we do. 01:51:15 And so for anyone who might be watching, 01:51:18 if you want to have a good discussion 01:51:20 and learn 01:51:22 about Torah and learn how to become, 01:51:28 join us. 01:51:31 >> Yeah. 01:51:31 >> Give it a try. 01:51:33 >> Yeah. 01:51:36 >> Absolutely. 01:51:36 >> And and taste the fruit and see if it 01:51:39 isn’t delightful to you. 01:51:42 Well, I I uh as long as you don’t fight 01:51:46 against the restoration, 01:51:49 uh and that could be a little tricky 01:51:51 because uh some people might think I 01:51:53 fight against some of it, but I fight 01:51:54 about perversions of it. 01:51:58 >> Fight against Yahweh’s ways. 01:52:01 >> I I generally only fight against uh 01:52:03 things that claim to be restoration that 01:52:06 are not. 01:52:07 >> Correct. And that’s fine because I do 01:52:09 that myself. Um, but we’re not here 01:52:12 fight if you’re not fighting against the 01:52:14 truth, you want to learn, you’re 01:52:15 welcome. And but if you got questions, 01:52:18 you’re still welcome because uh [  ] 69
01:52:20 brings out how we’re supposed to talk
01:52:22 about issues that people are having. So,
01:52:25 >> well, and hence uh tonight’s lesson.
01:52:28 >> Yeah, because Josh had a question. So,
01:52:32 >> okay.
01:52:33 >> Uh we’re not going to finish everything
01:52:34 just because of time constraints.
01:52:37 Uh cuz some people apparently have to
01:52:40 sleep. I I don’t know what their problem
01:52:42 is.
01:52:43 >> Yeah, this this is uh this is a strange
01:52:45 thing actually. I’m getting pretty tired
01:52:49 myself, but uh we I can keep going as
01:52:52 long as need be.
01:52:54 >> No, I I think this is a good stopping
01:52:55 point. So,
01:52:56 >> yeah, we we we finished with the ironic
01:52:59 priesthood and we can get into
01:53:03 MKZDIC at another juncture in time. As
01:53:06 long as you don’t want to make me spell
01:53:08 it. So, as you saw, don’t know.
01:53:12 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:53:16 >> All right. Well, with that, uh I hope
01:53:18 everybody uh learned something to to get
01:53:21 closer to Yahweh and his ways. Um
01:53:23 specifically church government in this
01:53:25 case, but it’s an important thing. It’s
01:53:28 how Yahweh wants his church to be
01:53:30 governed and it should not be changed.
01:53:32 If it’s his church, we do it his way,
01:53:36 not our modified way. So,
01:53:41 >> we don’t know better than he does. No.