Scripture Study 2025-11-27 D&C (LDS 67-68)(RLDS 67-68)

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Be open to YHWH’s words over the false traditions of men. YHWH’s desires are for us. Yeshua has done this primarily for the sanctified and others will benefit also. Don’t have fear because of what is going on around you.  People have a tendency to covet the gifts of others and not realizing the effort people put into them to full develop them. YHWH challenging others to create a revelation, and if they can’t you should believe the ones that He brought through Joseph Smith. Mighty and Strong’s One Father with be YHWH. Back in Joseph Smith’s day becoming an elder was not a small thing. It is a privilege to proclaim the truth. You cannot have fear and faith at the same time. Most likely people were scared of declaring truths that YHWH restored through Joseph Smith. All commandments are spiritual. Torah tells us how we are to behave. We have modern scriptures because of what Joseph Smith did. It’s easy to claim you can do better while you are doing nothing. Started to show a chiasmus in D&C 67. Ministering of angels is people calling repentance. D&C and the Book of Mormon teaches that callings are done by Torah not by the priesthood. Our works are the external evidences of what is written on our hearts. We are called the same way the Son was called. Congregation of the wicked goes along with being an apostle. Brigham Young was not released from being an apostle. Apostles are to speak as YHWH brings things to their remembrance, not preparing a talk for six months. Torah is the power of Elohim. Weak believers focus on the appearance of righteousness instead of righteousness itself, which is Torah. The blue on the tzitzit is to go on the inside as Torah is to be written on our hearts and not just the outside for appearance. The gift of the Holy Ghost goes with how the scriptures bring out that Torah is a gift. When Yeshua told Peter that He had to go do the atonement otherwise the Holy Spirit can’t come because the atonement is necessary for all the pieces to work together. The ram’s horns, which is power, getting stuck in the thicket with Abraham is symbolic of how the atonement makes everything work. Wo unto you for enforcing the false traditions of men, even if they seem good, especially if you say the blessings of Yah are predicated upon it. Torah is every word of Yah that is not a prescribed punishment. YHWH is Yeshua because of modalism. YHWH is no respecter of persons, which means He has the same standard, aka law, for everyone. Sealing power that Joseph Smith had is being YHWH’s voice telling them they have been sanctified. There is no claim that Joseph Smith ever sealed children to parents, that came later. Revelations of YHWH are everyone’s and should be published, if you don’t you are stealing from me. Numbers 28 brings out that Law of Moses had an expiration date. Restoration churches are not following church government as YHWH revealed in the D&C. First born male receives a double portion because they have more responsibilities to take care of. Spiderman is gnostic. YHWH in the D&C states that the members should be keeping the leaders in check with His word. The restoration through Joseph Smith started to restore things how YHWH did it before, not new ways. Scholars of men deceive people. D&C states that the 1st Pres is to judge Melchizedek Priesthood holders, not Stake Pres, and it’s not a problem when it’s given to people who are actually worthy of it, instead of aging into it. Melchizedek Priesthood is given by YHWH’s own voice. We are to be judged with witnesses not opinions. A lying witnesses will receive the punishment of the accused if their false witnesses was accepted. We are given a chance to repent before the punishment is pronounced, showing mercy is integral to it. I believe Torah. YHWH did not answer Joseph Smith about when the sabbath is, because it was not time to reveal the lunar sabbath. When I do things, I do it as if I was doing it for YHWH. Secret Combination members are wicked, lazy and are greedy. Modern scriptures goes against the false tradition people apply to the scriptures not what the scriptures actually say. Yeshua stated the prevalent understanding of His day was wrong. Margaret Barker takes scriptures way out of context and twists them to say something they don’t say. Deuteronomy means second telling, showing how what is in Deuteronomy is in the previous four books of Moses. Yeshua quoted Deuteronomy in the New Testament. Deuteronomy is in the Book of Mormon.

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00:00:01 Hello brothers and sisters. We have
00:00:03 another wonderful recording for you here
00:00:05 today. We are continuing on in our deep
00:00:08 dive of uh Doctrine and Covenants. We
00:00:10 call this little journey of ours Journey
00:00:12 DNC. And tonight we’re going to be
00:00:15 reading a couple of sections in the
00:00:16 Doctrine and Covenants. Starting with
00:00:19 where we left off last week,
00:00:22 section 67 or last time we did a Journey
00:00:25 DNC recording. Section 67.
00:00:29 Okay. So Josh, do you mind reading the
00:00:32 history of this to give us a little
00:00:34 context?
00:00:35 >> Sure. So section 67 was a revelation
00:00:39 given through Joseph Smith the prophet
00:00:41 at Hyram, Ohio, early November 1831.
00:00:47 The occasion was that of a special
00:00:49 conference and the publication of the
00:00:52 revelations already received from Yahweh
00:00:54 through the prophet was considered and
00:00:56 acted upon.
00:00:59 Uh William W. Phelps had recently
00:01:02 established the church printing press in
00:01:04 Independence, Missouri. conference
00:01:07 decided to publish the revelations in
00:01:09 the book of commandments and to print
00:01:11 10,000 copies which because of
00:01:14 unforeseen difficulties.
00:01:16 Yeah. Uh was later reduced to 3,000
00:01:19 copies.
00:01:20 >> That’s an interesting way of uh putting
00:01:22 that history.
00:01:23 >> Yes, it really is. Um many
00:01:27 >> many of the brethren bore solemn
00:01:29 testimony that the revelations then
00:01:32 compiled for publication were verily
00:01:34 true as was witnessed by the Holy Ghost
00:01:37 shed forth upon them. Joseph Smith’s
00:01:40 history records that after the
00:01:42 revelation known as section one had been
00:01:44 received some conversation was had
00:01:47 concerning the language used in the
00:01:50 revelations
00:01:51 present revelation followed. So I think
00:01:55 it’s interesting as was witnessed by the
00:01:56 Holy Ghost. Guess what folks? The Holy
00:01:58 Ghost is the mind and will of Yahwa aka
00:02:01 his word aka the holy scriptures. So
00:02:06 these publications if you read with an
00:02:10 open mind his mind and will which is his
00:02:12 word which is are the scriptures that we
00:02:15 have.
00:02:17 These do not contradict
00:02:21 at all with
00:02:23 what was received before. Go ahead,
00:02:24 Steve.
00:02:25 >> I just got to say the scriptures are a
00:02:27 portion of his mind, not the whole mind.
00:02:30 >> Oh, that’s true. Correct.
00:02:32 >> It is his revealed. I think a better way
00:02:35 to say it is
00:02:36 >> his revealed mind and will.
00:02:38 >> Yeah. The way that I always put it, the
00:02:41 way that I always put it is they are the
00:02:43 revelation of his mind is fancy.
00:02:46 >> Yeah. Okay, that’s a better way of
00:02:47 putting it. Cool. All right. So, let’s
00:02:50 start off. I’ll uh Stephen, you want to
00:02:52 read verse one?
00:02:53 >> Yeah. Behold and hearken.
00:02:57 >> So, listen and do. Right.
00:03:00 >> Come on. Uh faith.
00:03:02 >> Yeah. Oh ye elders of my church, you
00:03:06 have assembled yourselves together whose
00:03:09 prayers I have heard and whose hearts I
00:03:12 know and whose desires have come up
00:03:15 before me. As in like prayers, right?
00:03:19 >> Yes. Yeah.
00:03:22 >> So that’s it. I I was kind of saying
00:03:24 stuff as I went. Right.
00:03:25 >> No.
00:03:25 >> Well, I I think it’s interesting that he
00:03:27 hasn’t said one way. He just says and
00:03:29 whose hearts I know and whose desires
00:03:31 have come up before me. doesn’t say
00:03:33 whether they’re good or bad. He just
00:03:34 says, “Hey, I know your hearts and I
00:03:36 know your desires.”
00:03:37 >> Yeah.
00:03:38 >> Yeah. It’s not condemning for your
00:03:40 praising. It’s just what it is.
00:03:42 >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I do personally think
00:03:45 this is these I read and this is could
00:03:47 be my personal opinion more positively.
00:03:50 Yeah.
00:03:50 >> Though, but I we’ll have to see what’s
00:03:53 in the rest of the section to know if
00:03:55 that’s true or not.
00:03:56 >> Yes, we shall.
00:03:58 >> Yes.
00:03:59 >> Okay. Josh, you want to pick up verse
00:04:01 two? Sure. Behold, and lo, mine eyes are
00:04:06 upon you, and the heavens and the earth
00:04:08 are in mine hands, and the riches of
00:04:11 eternity are mine to give.
00:04:15 >> So I I would like to bring out how eyes
00:04:17 are desire. So he’s saying, “My desires
00:04:19 are for you
00:04:21 >> and the earth are in mine hands is my
00:04:25 works are to help those on earth.” And
00:04:28 primarily I will add this those who are
00:04:30 will become sanctified
00:04:34 >> uh the the other believers and actually
00:04:38 non-believers because the resurrection
00:04:40 >> uh they will benefit from it but it’s
00:04:44 >> for the sanctified but others will
00:04:46 benefit.
00:04:47 >> Yep.
00:04:53 >> I love it.
00:04:56 Annie verse three.
00:04:58 >> Ye endeavored to believe that ye should
00:05:00 receive the blessing which was offered
00:05:03 unto you. But behold, verily I say unto
00:05:06 you, there were fears in your hearts.
00:05:08 And verily, this is the reason that you
00:05:10 did not receive.
00:05:14 >> Now, now we’re starting to see that
00:05:16 maybe verse one was maybe not as
00:05:20 positive as we had thought. But anyways,
00:05:22 >> or at least that I thought.
00:05:24 >> Yeah.
00:05:25 Well, okay. Right. But yes, it’s it’s
00:05:27 it’s not as positive. It’s it’s saying,
00:05:30 “Hey, I know your desires. You know,
00:05:33 I’ve heard your prayers, but you’ve
00:05:36 messed up a few things.”
00:05:38 >> Well, here’s the thing. I think it’s
00:05:39 interesting. It’s I know your desires,
00:05:44 but your actions are not matching your
00:05:47 desires.
00:05:49 >> Well, the mistakes destroy you. He he I
00:05:53 I don’t know if it’s necessarily the
00:05:55 actions. It’s fears.
00:05:59 >> That’s true.
00:06:00 >> This is an interesting thing.
00:06:02 >> Where does fear in this case come from?
00:06:06 >> It’s the lack of faith.
00:06:08 >> It’s been
00:06:11 true. It’s
00:06:13 >> lack of faith
00:06:15 over the
00:06:17 >> Let me pause for one second. Yeah.
00:06:22 Go for it.
00:06:23 >> Okay. So, knowing a little bit more now,
00:06:25 the fear that’s being brought in three
00:06:29 definitely goes along with the hearken.
00:06:31 Behold, and hearken that’s in verse one,
00:06:35 >> because it’s the opposite, right?
00:06:37 >> Correct.
00:06:38 >> Um, and so I I do think the fear is
00:06:42 different than them sinning. Okay.
00:06:44 >> Yeah.
00:06:45 >> Well, okay. Actually, you do need to
00:06:47 have faith. So, well, I don’t want to
00:06:49 get into that kind of work, but like
00:06:53 >> I
00:06:54 >> Yeah, go ahead.
00:06:56 >> When I see this,
00:06:59 you endeavored to believe that ye could
00:07:02 should receive the blessing which was
00:07:03 offered unto you. I read that part and I
00:07:06 say,
00:07:08 okay, so they believed that they should
00:07:10 receive,
00:07:12 but behold, verily I say unto you that
00:07:14 there were fears in your hearts. So when
00:07:17 we’re talking about fears in our hearts,
00:07:20 fear I do believe that though that this
00:07:23 is actually talking about um
00:07:30 the lack of knowledge that your life is
00:07:33 pleasing.
00:07:38 I could see that as a a big possibility.
00:07:42 Um
00:07:44 I I and one thing if Ben’s done
00:07:47 >> Yeah.
00:07:48 >> Uh I I would say this is like Peter
00:07:50 walking on water. He started and then
00:07:53 faltered.
00:07:54 >> Yes.
00:07:55 >> Yes.
00:07:58 >> And verily this is the reason that you
00:08:00 did not receive.
00:08:02 >> Right. And but I don’t know if Peter’s
00:08:05 was because he didn’t know what he was
00:08:07 doing was pleasing. I think it was more
00:08:12 other things got in the way.
00:08:15 >> He he was Yeah, he was looking around.
00:08:18 Uh he it says it says very clearly that
00:08:20 he was looking at the water that he
00:08:22 started looking at the water and the
00:08:23 roughness of the water and the wind
00:08:25 blowing boisterously. Probably felt the
00:08:27 wind on his clothes.
00:08:30 >> Right. And and and this is me and I know
00:08:33 it doesn’t absolutely say this, but I
00:08:35 think it’s more like that personally.
00:08:37 >> Yeah.
00:08:37 >> Yeah.
00:08:39 But I I mean I I’m I’m interpreting it
00:08:41 right. I I don’t know the history. I
00:08:43 don’t know what these people were doing
00:08:45 and feeling and thinking at the time,
00:08:49 >> right?
00:08:49 >> Yeah. I I wasn’t there. I didn’t ask
00:08:52 them.
00:08:57 >> Uh yes.
00:08:59 I’ll read verse four.
00:09:01 >> All right. Let’s ask them.
00:09:06 >> No.
00:09:07 That would be necromancy and we don’t do
00:09:10 that.
00:09:11 >> Just playing.
00:09:12 >> That is against Torah.
00:09:14 >> It was a joke. I know. But
00:09:17 >> we don’t do that.
00:09:18 >> Yeah. No, that in all seriousness that’s
00:09:20 that’s taboo.
00:09:22 >> No, that’s witchcraft.
00:09:25 >> That is
00:09:28 okay. All right.
00:09:30 Oh
00:09:31 >> And now I will give unto you a testimony
00:09:34 of the truth of these commandments which
00:09:36 are lying before you.
00:09:38 >> No, the commandments are not lies.
00:09:42 >> They are placed out before you. Lying on
00:09:46 the table before you.
00:09:47 >> Uh context.
00:09:51 >> Come on, man.
00:09:54 >> All right.
00:09:55 >> Did How did you do an English class?
00:09:58 He’s actually very good at it.
00:09:59 >> Yeah, I know.
00:10:01 >> Anyway, so
00:10:04 your eyes have been upon my servant
00:10:06 Joseph Smith Jr. and his language you ha
00:10:09 and and his language you have known and
00:10:12 his imperfections you have known. And
00:10:14 you have sought in your hearts knowledge
00:10:16 that you might express beyond his
00:10:18 language.
00:10:20 >> Oh, that’s that’s another that’s another
00:10:23 condemnatory thing as well.
00:10:28 Well, that certainly seems like some
00:10:31 covetousness
00:10:33 for his position
00:10:35 >> and thinking that they can get
00:10:38 >> Well, I mean, for you, you could
00:10:40 potentially
00:10:42 >> Well, so I I I’ll just say this. I know
00:10:46 sometimes when you see someone with a
00:10:48 gift that
00:10:51 >> puts it the head
00:10:55 People
00:10:57 want that.
00:11:00 >> They just want the gift, but they don’t
00:11:02 want the responsibility that goes with
00:11:04 it and
00:11:06 the struggles and the diligence
00:11:10 >> loneliness that comes with it as well.
00:11:13 >> Yeah. Is coming from something watching
00:11:15 the house of David. But yes, there is
00:11:17 loneliness that goes with being the
00:11:19 head. Um, but
00:11:22 um
00:11:24 I I I think people just see the cool
00:11:26 thing and they’re coveting in that and
00:11:28 not realizing all everything else that
00:11:30 goes along with it.
00:11:32 >> Yeah. They want all the privileges and
00:11:34 all the responsibilities.
00:11:36 >> Yeah.
00:11:37 >> Yeah.
00:11:40 >> Andy, you want to read verse six?
00:11:42 >> If I must,
00:11:44 >> please.
00:11:46 Now seek ye out of the book of
00:11:47 commandments even the least it that is
00:11:50 among you uh that is among them and
00:11:53 appoint him that is the most wise among
00:11:56 you.
00:11:57 >> So basically what he’s saying he’s
00:11:59 presenting a challenge.
00:12:02 >> Now is this a section where it says if
00:12:04 you think you can make your own
00:12:05 revelation go do it.
00:12:07 >> Yeah. Yeah. Number seven. Read seven.
00:12:09 >> Okay. So we’re
00:12:11 >> read seven Andy read seven.
00:12:13 >> Okay. Or if there be any among you that
00:12:16 shall make one like unto it,
00:12:20 that you are justified in saying that ye
00:12:22 do not know that they are true.
00:12:26 >> Oh wow.
00:12:27 >> And it and it failed horribly. I
00:12:30 remember.
00:12:30 >> So he basically he’s opening up the
00:12:31 tail. All right, you guys you guys
00:12:33 figure it out. You guys come up with
00:12:35 your own uh thing and if it’s any better
00:12:38 than what has already been produced then
00:12:40 >> Yeah.
00:12:41 >> then you’re justified in not believing.
00:12:43 Yes,
00:12:44 >> this challenge alone indicates the state
00:12:49 of the church in relation of the church
00:12:53 as a whole in relation to Yahwa.
00:12:56 >> Yeah.
00:12:58 >> Sounds like there’s a lot of
00:12:59 hard-heartedness going on there.
00:13:01 >> Yeah.
00:13:02 >> Yeah. I think it’s more these people
00:13:05 specifically about these people who are
00:13:08 coveting Joseph Smith’s position and
00:13:11 gifts.
00:13:12 >> Yes. Correct.
00:13:13 >> Um but I don’t think they understand the
00:13:17 heart
00:13:19 and the mind that goes along with it.
00:13:21 >> Yeah.
00:13:22 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:24 >> They they just see some of the external
00:13:26 portions. Well, that would be a cool
00:13:28 gift to have and they’re wanting it.
00:13:32 Yeah.
00:13:33 >> Because they’re just focusing on the
00:13:36 prestige. Right.
00:13:38 >> Yeah. Correct.
00:13:40 But if you cannot make one like unto it,
00:13:42 you are under condemnation if you do not
00:13:44 bear record that they are true.
00:13:47 >> In other words, this must be them saying
00:13:51 that this that whole that old adage of,
00:13:54 oh, Joseph Smith’s writing himself in
00:13:56 the scriptures
00:13:58 must be as old as the church itself.
00:14:00 >> Well, but even on that, so that’s
00:14:02 regarding uh JST Genesis 50, which also
00:14:05 goes along with 2 Nephi 3.
00:14:08 >> Yeah. not about Joseph Smith as many
00:14:12 people
00:14:14 claim that are believers which then
00:14:16 gives fuel for the anti which is
00:14:19 incorrect fuel but it is there because
00:14:22 they preach it
00:14:24 >> right
00:14:24 >> it’s about the coming mighty and strong
00:14:26 one
00:14:26 >> well the if you think about the name the
00:14:29 name or the character of his father the
00:14:32 the person over like
00:14:35 >> Ephraim comes from Joseph
00:14:37 >> yeah so He is the ultimate father of
00:14:40 Ephraim.
00:14:40 >> Well, but the ultimate father is Yahweh.
00:14:43 >> Well, that’s
00:14:43 >> and we can go look at the verse. The
00:14:45 father one actually goes to Yahweh. I do
00:14:48 have it somewhat memorized. The charact
00:14:50 the name is actually Joseph.
00:14:52 >> Yes.
00:14:52 >> Which is the character I
00:14:54 >> Okay.
00:14:55 >> There are some things I I don’t have it
00:14:57 memorized word for word, but I do know
00:14:59 the concepts that are
00:15:01 >> Okay. We are see
00:15:02 >> it’s good to talk about it.
00:15:04 >> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And and we see
00:15:06 that if they do not bear record that
00:15:09 they are true after they fail,
00:15:12 >> step away.
00:15:14 >> So it’s bringing out how, okay, you
00:15:17 failed the test. So Joseph Smith’s
00:15:20 revelations
00:15:22 must be true because you can’t do it.
00:15:25 And I mean there’s all this speculation
00:15:28 about what type of education Joseph
00:15:30 Smith had, but
00:15:32 >> but it’s stating quite clearly here that
00:15:35 you are under condemnation if you do not
00:15:38 bear record that these revelations are
00:15:41 true,
00:15:42 >> right? Um and these are specifically the
00:15:44 elders of the church that are having the
00:15:46 problems because
00:15:48 >> to become an elder is not one small
00:15:51 little thing. Okay?
00:15:53 >> I mean I I back then. Okay. But in
00:15:57 today’s churches, it actually is kind of
00:16:00 a nothing burger.
00:16:02 >> Yeah.
00:16:03 >> In today’s church, because it’s by your
00:16:08 freaking age.
00:16:09 >> Yeah. It’s a handout.
00:16:11 >> Yeah.
00:16:13 >> It is.
00:16:14 >> So, in today’s church, it is kind of a
00:16:16 nothing burger, but back in Joseph
00:16:18 Smith’s day, it was not a nothing burger
00:16:21 to be an elder. Okay.
00:16:24 um you you were a believer and maybe
00:16:29 these are not Judas yet, but um
00:16:33 something along those lines. And he’s
00:16:36 call Yahweh’s calling them to
00:16:37 repentance.
00:16:39 >> You think you can do it without me?
00:16:43 >> Okay, try it.
00:16:44 >> Try. I dare you. Which actually goes
00:16:47 along with stuff in Isaiah. I forget.
00:16:50 Ben probably knows the vers chapter and
00:16:52 verse, but where he says only I have
00:16:55 prophecy.
00:16:56 >> Yeah, I I actually don’t know that
00:16:59 chapter and verse, but I I’ll
00:17:02 think I’ll I’ll probably remember it
00:17:04 after we’re done with the recording.
00:17:06 >> Oh, yeah. Well, on anyways, I have my
00:17:09 ones I remember, but you you’re better
00:17:11 at that than I am. So, anyways, we all
00:17:14 >> I I love the next verse.
00:17:17 >> Okay,
00:17:18 >> read it. Go ahead and read it. For he
00:17:19 affirms the character of Joseph Smith.
00:17:24 For ye know that there is no
00:17:27 unrighteousness in and he affirms the
00:17:31 nature of these commandments.
00:17:34 That there is no unrighteousness in
00:17:36 them.
00:17:37 >> I think it’s the revelations
00:17:39 specifications.
00:17:41 >> Yeah.
00:17:42 >> And that which is righteous cometh down
00:17:44 from above from the father of lights.
00:17:49 And we see that title given to Yahwa in
00:17:52 the book of James I do believe.
00:17:54 >> Yes.
00:17:55 >> Yeah. But on also well yeah because
00:17:58 light is Torah and he’s the father of it
00:18:01 which goes along with modalism. But
00:18:03 anyways
00:18:03 >> right
00:18:05 >> knowing what the light is right
00:18:08 >> uh 15 1-5. But
00:18:11 >> so if you’re looking for a scripture to
00:18:14 reference
00:18:15 uh now granted it is within the doctrine
00:18:18 of covenants itself but if you’re
00:18:22 looking for a script for something from
00:18:24 the revealed mind and will of ya to
00:18:27 reference saying that the doctrine and
00:18:29 covenants is horrible there it is.
00:18:33 >> Yeah. Well, and then also I I think nine
00:18:36 goes along with my thought that it’s
00:18:38 coming
00:18:39 from Yahweh through Joseph Smith and
00:18:42 he’s go ahead try to do it without me.
00:18:44 Right.
00:18:46 >> Yeah.
00:18:46 >> Yeah. Absolutely.
00:18:48 >> And so I think this is doing multiple
00:18:50 things in addition to challenge him to
00:18:52 make a revelation. It’s saying I’m with
00:18:54 Joseph.
00:18:56 >> Yeah.
00:18:57 >> Yeah.
00:18:59 >> And this and Yahw stands with his
00:19:01 servants.
00:19:03 Yes. And he has multiple servants at
00:19:05 different levels, but at that time
00:19:09 uh and actually still now uh Joseph the
00:19:13 head.
00:19:15 >> So I love the fact that I noticed
00:19:19 there’s a kayazm in a section after I
00:19:23 read it. So I sort of skimmed ahead
00:19:26 >> and this whole section is a kayazm. He’s
00:19:28 calling them to repentance in the form
00:19:30 of a kayazm. Uh but anyway, so uh
00:19:34 Stephen, verse 10.
00:19:36 Okay. And verily, oh, sorry. And again,
00:19:40 verily I say unto you that it is your
00:19:42 privilege and a promise I give unto you
00:19:45 that you have been ordained unto this
00:19:48 ministry.
00:19:49 Uh as in proclaiming what’s coming
00:19:52 through Joseph Smith. Okay.
00:19:53 >> Correct.
00:19:54 >> Right.
00:19:55 >> Yes. and and the other previous prophets
00:19:58 just as what happened with uh Abinadai
00:20:01 because it was with what Abinadai said
00:20:03 and other previous prophets. Sorry. Go
00:20:05 ahead.
00:20:05 >> And he’s reminding them that this is a
00:20:08 privilege.
00:20:10 >> They weren’t owed he didn’t owe it to
00:20:12 them.
00:20:13 >> Right. It is a privilege and and and a
00:20:16 blessing. Privileges are blessings,
00:20:19 right? They’re not rights as in it can
00:20:21 be taken away.
00:20:23 >> Correct.
00:20:25 Uh and sometime he and sometimes he did
00:20:27 with some people, right? But anyways,
00:20:30 >> correct.
00:20:31 >> Uh okay. And you have been ordained unto
00:20:34 this ministry that in as much as you
00:20:37 strip yourselves Oh, wait a minute.
00:20:41 Jealousies of Joseph Smith’s um gifts,
00:20:45 right?
00:20:45 >> And fears
00:20:47 >> and the fears of whatever fears they
00:20:50 had, right? Because I don’t think we
00:20:52 have anything specific on that. Not that
00:20:53 I remember anyways.
00:20:56 Um and but basically fear is the
00:20:58 opposite of faith. You cannot have faith
00:21:00 and fear at the same time.
00:21:02 >> Correct.
00:21:04 >> Um and humble which is righteousness. So
00:21:09 aka keep Torah yourselves before me
00:21:13 Yahweh.
00:21:15 For ye are not sufficiently humble.
00:21:19 What? You’re not keeping the
00:21:20 commandments enough.
00:21:23 The veil shall be rent and you shall see
00:21:27 me
00:21:29 uh after the humbling, right? As has
00:21:31 been uh mentioned multiple times, which
00:21:34 is righteousness.
00:21:36 >> Yes.
00:21:36 >> I mean, the the 1828 definition of
00:21:40 humble in the 1820 dictionary, that came
00:21:43 out wrong, but anyways, is
00:21:45 righteousness, right?
00:21:47 >> Yeah. A and has been also lives to share
00:21:52 is that in the Hebrew gospels
00:21:55 especially the Matthew on the sermon on
00:21:57 the mount humble is righteousness.
00:22:00 >> Yeah. Uh yeah meek is to to be meek is
00:22:05 to humbly obey.
00:22:07 >> Yes. Uh okay. So jealousy remove
00:22:12 yourself from jealousies from Joseph
00:22:13 Smith and your fears. That’s uh most
00:22:16 likely fears of men. What probably
00:22:19 educated guess of what the call the
00:22:22 context here is is talking about and
00:22:25 proclaiming what’s come through Joseph
00:22:27 Smith. They’re worried about what the
00:22:29 world will think of them.
00:22:32 >> Yeah.
00:22:32 >> For bringing forth this new revelation
00:22:35 that’s been through Joseph Smith. Right.
00:22:38 >> Right.
00:22:39 >> Um Okay. and humble yourself that you
00:22:43 for ye are not sufficiently humble.
00:22:46 You’re not righteous enough. The veil
00:22:49 shall be rent and you shall see me and
00:22:52 know that I am as in after they become
00:22:55 sufficiently humble. Right.
00:22:57 >> As in have enough righteousness. Okay.
00:23:00 >> Well, that’s stated here. Not with the
00:23:02 carnal not nor natural mind.
00:23:05 >> Matthew.
00:23:06 >> Yeah. And uh as Ben just read the next
00:23:09 the last of the sentence. So
00:23:12 >> but so the the carnal is the natural
00:23:15 man.
00:23:15 >> Yep.
00:23:16 >> And the spiritual is with the
00:23:18 commandments because um I can find the
00:23:21 section but in the DNC it states that
00:23:24 there are no temporal commandments. It’s
00:23:26 all spiritual.
00:23:29 >> Yes,
00:23:30 >> that is correct.
00:23:31 >> Verse 11 goes along with what we were
00:23:33 talking about earlier. Okay. Well,
00:23:36 >> or Andrew, do you want to read verse 11?
00:23:38 >> Yes. Um, and we were just for reference,
00:23:41 we were looking at John chapter 1
00:23:44 earlier today where Yeah. Anyway, so for
00:23:48 no man has seen God at any time in the
00:23:51 flesh except quickened by the spirit of
00:23:54 God.
00:23:57 >> Wait,
00:23:58 >> so in other words, in a sinful state,
00:24:01 yeah,
00:24:02 >> no man has seen God. Let’s let’s go look
00:24:05 at the word definition, but a lot of it
00:24:07 here is going to be purified, but let’s
00:24:09 go look at it.
00:24:10 >> Yeah, it’s a great idea.
00:24:12 >> Which uh word is it?
00:24:14 >> Uh quicken.
00:24:16 >> Quicken.
00:24:17 >> It’s not adultery. It’s
00:24:19 >> No, it’s not. It’s not. Don’t worry.
00:24:21 >> It’s too quick because quicken is the
00:24:23 past tense. So I well it’s still made
00:24:27 alive, revived,
00:24:29 >> vivified, reinvigorated,
00:24:32 accelerated, hastened, stimulated,
00:24:34 incited.
00:24:36 >> Okay, let let’s go to quicken, please.
00:24:38 >> Okay, sure.
00:24:44 >> Okay.
00:24:45 >> To make alive.
00:24:47 >> So that’s going to be uh eternal life, I
00:24:51 would say, which is
00:24:52 >> think about it.
00:24:54 Sin is death spiritually, right? So to
00:24:57 be made alive is
00:24:59 >> Yeah. In fact, as John just highlighted
00:25:01 too, to make alive in a spiritual sense,
00:25:04 aka purified.
00:25:06 >> Yep.
00:25:06 >> So, so this is something that I really
00:25:08 like in there. It says, “Except
00:25:10 quickened by the spirit of Elohim.” What
00:25:13 is the spirit of Elohim? It is Torah.
00:25:18 And that is because spirit is behavior.
00:25:23 >> Yeah.
00:25:24 >> And where is the behavior defined? Oh
00:25:27 yeah. Torah.
00:25:28 >> Yeah.
00:25:29 >> Yeah. And then and by the way, the
00:25:31 scriptures define uh the spirit as Torah
00:25:34 in multiple places.
00:25:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. In fact, in the scriptures,
00:25:39 spirit comes from the same word that’s
00:25:42 wind or I can’t say.
00:25:46 >> Yeah. Thank you. It’s the same word.
00:25:51 >> Interesting in Hebrew, but it can’t be
00:25:55 related. I’m sorry. I Well, that’s
00:25:57 crazy.
00:25:57 >> Verse 12 goes deeper into that as well.
00:26:00 >> Neither can any natural man abide the
00:26:02 presence of Elohim, neither after the
00:26:05 carnal mind. Ye are not able to abide
00:26:08 the presence of Elohim now, neither the
00:26:11 ministering of angels or the calls of
00:26:15 repentance.
00:26:16 abide the call of repentance.
00:26:18 >> Well, this is u this is definitely a
00:26:22 shot across the bow to them.
00:26:26 >> Yeah.
00:26:27 >> He’s basically telling them that they’re
00:26:29 under the influence of the natural man
00:26:30 here.
00:26:31 >> Yeah.
00:26:33 Continue in patience until ye are
00:26:36 perfected.
00:26:39 >> Could that be another way of saying
00:26:41 endure to the end?
00:26:42 >> Mhm.
00:26:42 >> Uhhuh.
00:26:44 >> Oh, okay. Thank you for clarifying that
00:26:46 for me.
00:26:48 >> You’re welcome. And I didn’t even really
00:26:49 say a word. Um anyway,
00:26:53 word.
00:26:55 >> More of a vocalization, we’ll say.
00:26:57 >> Yeah, an exclamation. It’s more of an
00:26:59 exclamation.
00:27:01 Uh let not your minds turn back. And
00:27:04 when ye are worthy, in mine own due
00:27:08 time, ye shall
00:27:10 >> Wait, I don’t get to decide. No,
00:27:13 >> it was never up to you, Sarah.
00:27:16 >> Never.
00:27:18 >> You shall see and know that which was
00:27:20 conferred upon you by the hands of my
00:27:23 servant Joseph Smith Jr.
00:27:27 >> That be saying that Joseph at the head
00:27:30 again because it’s through him.
00:27:32 >> Yeah.
00:27:33 >> Yeah.
00:27:35 >> Okay, that kind of makes sense. And it
00:27:38 also says that when they uh when they’re
00:27:42 more faithful in their obedience, then
00:27:45 they will re then they will receive that
00:27:48 blessing that they believe that they
00:27:50 should receive.
00:27:54 >> Mhm. That’s true.
00:27:57 >> And also hands does go along with the
00:28:01 actual ordination, right? putting the
00:28:04 hands upon but it also goes also works.
00:28:08 >> Yep.
00:28:09 >> You have this because of what Joseph
00:28:12 Smith did.
00:28:14 >> Yeah.
00:28:15 >> Well said. I
00:28:16 >> it’s it is so easy to claim and say you
00:28:20 could do something better but you did
00:28:23 nothing.
00:28:26 >> Well, let’s see then you can do and he
00:28:28 even says so earlier in the chapter. All
00:28:31 right. You can do better. Let’s see it.
00:28:33 >> Yeah, bring it on. What you got?
00:28:38 >> Bring your challenges before ya.
00:28:41 >> You got nothing.
00:28:43 And to go back on 67 real quick. So
00:28:47 where I see the um Oh gosh. Where I see
00:28:52 potentially the kayazm. So let not your
00:28:55 minds turn back. And when ye are worthy
00:28:58 and in the very first behold and
00:29:01 hearken.
00:29:02 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:03 >> Yeah.
00:29:05 Interesting.
00:29:08 There could be a kayasm hidden in there.
00:29:10 >> Oh, no. There’s definitely kayas in
00:29:12 there.
00:29:13 >> Well, yeah. And then two had to do with
00:29:16 uh Yahweh’s desires. 13 is about uh
00:29:22 abiding his presence but you have to
00:29:24 repent his desires and the actual
00:29:27 ministering of angels which the
00:29:29 ministering of angels is to call
00:29:31 repentance which brings you to his
00:29:34 desire
00:29:36 >> I mean
00:29:38 which makes it really interesting when
00:29:40 he says they can’t even abide the
00:29:41 ministering of angels right now
00:29:44 >> they don’t even call it repentance
00:29:46 >> well Wait, wait.
00:29:49 I think that’s what we’re supposed to do
00:29:50 in this generation.
00:29:53 >> Technically, isn’t that what they’ve
00:29:55 always supposed to be doing? And
00:29:56 >> Oh, yeah. 13 even brings out that’s what
00:29:59 the Melkazedc priesthood holders are
00:30:01 supposed to be doing, too.
00:30:02 >> But I there’s something in that that I
00:30:05 really want to kind of highlight a
00:30:06 little bit. and that is you cannot call
00:30:11 repentance if you’re still teaching that
00:30:14 Christ did away with the law. Uh yes, I
00:30:18 agree with that. Um so 12 the natural
00:30:23 man and fear and three those go
00:30:27 together.
00:30:32 I see a little light bulb over here.
00:30:34 >> For no man has seen Ell.
00:30:38 It’s a huge one. I’ll show you tomorrow.
00:30:40 >> Oh. Oh, Stephen. For
00:30:43 give unto you a testimony of truth of
00:30:45 these commandments. And then down here,
00:30:47 for no man has seen Elohim at any time
00:30:49 in the flesh except quickened by the by
00:30:52 the spirit of Elohim.
00:30:54 >> Commandments. Commandments. Oh, come on.
00:30:57 I know. I I know.
00:31:00 >> So this whole he’s calling them this is
00:31:03 one thing I want to highlight is that
00:31:06 even when he’s calling them to
00:31:07 repentance, he is using
00:31:10 his favorite poetic form
00:31:15 >> which is kayazm.
00:31:17 He’s giving them the key
00:31:21 to do what he’s asked them to do earlier
00:31:25 in the section.
00:31:27 And they just look at him and be like,
00:31:28 they’re like, I don’t get it.
00:31:30 >> No, they got angry. They got angry.
00:31:33 They got angry.
00:31:35 >> Yeah. Don’t you get angry when you don’t
00:31:37 get something?
00:31:38 >> Well, of course, but I’m just saying
00:31:41 that. That’s what basically what I’m
00:31:43 saying is they got angry instead of
00:31:45 saying taking a step back, which is
00:31:48 hard. I I get it. It’s hard to do it. It
00:31:51 >> I’ve been there.
00:31:52 >> Yeah. Me, too. Me, too. But
00:31:54 >> sometimes it’s necessary. But instead of
00:31:56 stepping back from the situation saying
00:31:58 oh I need to you know maybe I need to
00:32:01 pay attention they got angry and that’s
00:32:04 why he says even in verse 13 you are not
00:32:08 able to abide the presence of Elohim now
00:32:11 neither the ministering of angels he is
00:32:14 telling them they cannot abide they
00:32:18 can’t even take a call to repentance
00:32:20 they can’t
00:32:21 >> so which is uh less difficult to take
00:32:26 than his glory when you’re in your sins.
00:32:28 >> Yes.
00:32:29 >> Oh, yeah.
00:32:30 >> So, John, perhaps, especially since you
00:32:32 started seeing it, maybe you want to
00:32:34 finish it in a post.
00:32:38 >> Yeah. Okay.
00:32:39 >> Anyways, just a thought.
00:32:41 >> Yeah, I have another post that I’m
00:32:44 working on right now that
00:32:46 >> Welcome to my club.
00:32:49 Shiny subject.
00:32:51 >> Are you implying anything?
00:32:54 I think
00:32:56 >> I’m thinking let’s do uh one more
00:32:59 section section.
00:33:01 >> It’s a good segue there.
00:33:03 >> Implications.
00:33:04 I don’t know if that might be a strong
00:33:06 one.
00:33:07 >> So Andy, do you mind the history section
00:33:10 of this of section 68?
00:33:13 >> Okay. Revelation given through Joseph
00:33:16 Smith the prophet at Hyum, Ohio,
00:33:17 November 1st, 1831
00:33:20 in response to prayer that the mind of
00:33:23 the Lord of of Yahweh be made known unto
00:33:27 Orson Hyde, Luke S. Johnson, Lyman E.
00:33:30 Johnson, and William E. Mlen. Although
00:33:33 part of this revelation was directed
00:33:35 toward these four men, much of the
00:33:37 content pertains to the whole church.
00:33:40 This revelation was expanded under
00:33:42 Joseph Smith’s direction when it was
00:33:44 published in the 1835 edition of the
00:33:46 Doctrine and Covenants.
00:33:49 >> Beautiful.
00:33:51 >> I’ll go ahead and
00:33:54 >> Oh, you’re
00:33:57 I’m going to start us off in verse one.
00:34:00 Or Ben, actually, do you want to read?
00:34:02 >> Yeah,
00:34:03 I don’t mind reading.
00:34:04 >> Okay, verse one.
00:34:05 >> You have the ability.
00:34:06 >> I know you do. Verse one. servant Orson
00:34:10 Hyde was called by his ordination to
00:34:14 proclaim the everlasting gospel by the
00:34:18 spirit of the living Elohim.
00:34:21 Oh, wait a minute. You mean by Torah?
00:34:26 Okay. From people to people.
00:34:28 >> Yeah. So, on this part, I will bring
00:34:31 something out if I can interrupt you,
00:34:33 Ben. Sorry about that. Uh, John bring up
00:34:37 I think it’s Moroni 3, but let’s I’m
00:34:39 gonna pause before to make sure that
00:34:41 actually is first. Okay.
00:34:43 >> Yep. Yep.
00:34:45 >> I remembered correctly. And so, sorry.
00:34:48 Moroni 3 uh verse 4. And after this
00:34:52 manner, they did ordain priests and
00:34:55 teachers according to the gifts and
00:34:57 callings of Elohim unto men, and they
00:35:00 ordained them by the power of the Holy
00:35:04 Spirit. Oh, wait a minute. What was it
00:35:05 in the DNC?
00:35:07 >> Oh, let’s go back real quick.
00:35:09 >> By the spirit of the living Elohim.
00:35:12 >> Okay, go back to 3.
00:35:17 >> The Holy Ghost. Oh, wait. Those are the
00:35:18 same thing.
00:35:20 >> Yeah.
00:35:20 >> Yeah.
00:35:21 >> They’re both Torah,
00:35:23 not the priesthood.
00:35:24 >> Wait. And wait, which was in them? You
00:35:29 >> Oh, you know why it’s in them?
00:35:32 >> Because they’re living it. Well, yes,
00:35:35 but that is an external uh evidence that
00:35:39 is written on their heart.
00:35:41 >> Oh, that’s true. Yes.
00:35:43 >> So, you are right, John. I was going for
00:35:45 something else, but you are correct.
00:35:47 >> But you did give the external uh
00:35:49 evidence that it is written on their
00:35:51 hearts.
00:35:52 >> Yeah.
00:35:52 >> Yeah.
00:35:53 >> Yeah.
00:35:54 >> Promise. And that’s the promise of the
00:35:57 law that it will if you live it and
00:36:00 humble yourselves and and are righteous.
00:36:03 I kind of was a little redundant there,
00:36:05 but still and are righteous. It’s
00:36:08 written on your heart. The law gets
00:36:11 written on your heart.
00:36:13 >> Yeah. But I want to bring out how both
00:36:15 of these passages is not by the
00:36:17 priesthood.
00:36:18 >> No, no, it’s not.
00:36:20 >> It’s by Torah. And part of Torah is the
00:36:24 plan, which actually goes back to Elma
00:36:27 13 because you’re fore orained.
00:36:30 >> It’s part of the plan.
00:36:31 >> So it’s not by So are you saying that
00:36:34 it’s not by claimed authority, but by
00:36:36 the authority of the spir of the Holy
00:36:38 Spirit written upon your heart?
00:36:44 So
00:36:46 it’s because Yahweh Yahweh gave this
00:36:50 calling to us because of in his
00:36:52 fornowledge meaning before it happened.
00:36:55 He knew it before it happened
00:36:59 that you will do what it is required.
00:37:02 >> Exa Exactly. So
00:37:05 >> because it is written on your heart,
00:37:07 >> right? And so this is so this is the
00:37:10 thing. It’s so that’s that’s kind that’s
00:37:13 kind of where I was hoping you would go
00:37:15 with that question.
00:37:17 Uh because that is the key is that it
00:37:21 the key to all of these things. The key
00:37:24 to who has the priesthood, who doesn’t
00:37:26 have the priesthood. It a lot of it
00:37:28 comes down to the fornowledge of Yah or
00:37:32 in the letters of Paul as it’s
00:37:33 translated pre uh predestination of Yah.
00:37:39 >> Yeah. Or for ordination, right? It’s the
00:37:43 four ordination
00:37:45 um which he which Alma 13 reveals is
00:37:49 because of that knowledge that he had of
00:37:52 us due to
00:37:55 the pre-existence.
00:37:57 >> Sure. And if John wants to go to Elma
00:37:59 13, but I and I don’t remember the verse
00:38:00 for this, but it does bring out how
00:38:03 they’re called in the same manner that
00:38:06 the son is called, as in called before
00:38:10 the foundation of the world.
00:38:12 >> Correct? Mhm.
00:38:14 >> So if you if there is a calling that you
00:38:19 have from Ywa, odds are on. You were
00:38:22 called with that same calling before the
00:38:26 foundation of the world.
00:38:27 >> Well, if it’s from Yahweh, it’s not just
00:38:29 odds, it’s 100%.
00:38:30 >> And that means that you really need to
00:38:33 take it serious, too. Yes.
00:38:35 >> And this is the manner after which they
00:38:37 were which they were ordained. This is
00:38:39 Elma 13:3.
00:38:41 being called and prepared from the
00:38:43 foundation of the world according to
00:38:44 >> wait just like Yahweh was.
00:38:47 >> Yeah.
00:38:48 >> According to the fornowledge of Elohim
00:38:51 on
00:38:51 >> as he knew what would happen beforehand
00:38:54 is in prophecy.
00:38:56 >> Y
00:39:00 >> by the way just because just because uh
00:39:04 just because you know something is going
00:39:06 to happen does not make you responsible
00:39:09 for that happening.
00:39:11 Yeah, like uh playing strategic games.
00:39:16 You can
00:39:18 pretty much mole in some cases what the
00:39:20 other person’s going to play. You didn’t
00:39:22 make them do it.
00:39:23 >> Oh, here you go. Let’s look at verse
00:39:25 four real quick. And thus they have been
00:39:27 called to this holy calling on account
00:39:28 of their faith. While others would
00:39:31 reject the spirit of Elohim,
00:39:34 >> aka Torah, sorry.
00:39:35 >> Uh-huh. On account of the hardness of
00:39:37 their hearts and the blindness of their
00:39:39 minds. Well, if it had not been for
00:39:41 this, they might have had as great
00:39:44 privilege. Privilege.
00:39:47 Privilege.
00:39:48 >> Oh, wait. Didn’t we just read privilege
00:39:50 in the section?
00:39:53 >> Yeah,
00:39:54 >> in the other section. The previous
00:39:55 section.
00:39:55 >> Oh, yeah. The previous one. But
00:39:57 privilege, though.
00:39:59 >> So, let’s take the product of this
00:40:01 discussion and let’s transport this back
00:40:03 into Doctrine of Covenants section 68.
00:40:05 >> Yeah, let’s do it.
00:40:06 >> Verse one.
00:40:07 >> Yeah. My servant Orson high was called
00:40:12 by his ordination to proclaim the
00:40:15 everlasting gospel by the spirit of the
00:40:18 living Elohim
00:40:20 from people to people and from land to
00:40:22 land in the congregations of the wicked.
00:40:27 Not in the congregations of the
00:40:28 believers, in the congregations of the
00:40:32 wicked.
00:40:32 >> So this goes along with apostle.
00:40:36 >> Yep.
00:40:36 >> Yep. in their synagogues, reasoning and
00:40:40 expounding all scriptures onto them.
00:40:42 >> So, just so we’re clear, apostles go to
00:40:45 the non-believers, aka wicked.
00:40:49 Other offices in the church are to the
00:40:53 actual church. Apostles are sent out.
00:40:58 >> Yes.
00:40:59 >> Out. What would that mean? It would be
00:41:03 out of the church. Sorry. Go ahead,
00:41:05 John. nonbelievers.
00:41:08 >> They sent out to change non-believers
00:41:12 >> into believers.
00:41:14 >> Believers.
00:41:15 >> Oh, and how are they to do this? Oh,
00:41:17 look at the end of verse one. Reasoning
00:41:20 with and expounding all scriptures unto
00:41:24 them.
00:41:25 >> Oh, wait, wait.
00:41:26 >> Just like
00:41:26 >> some.
00:41:28 >> Yeah. All
00:41:30 >> just like when the United States sends
00:41:32 an ambassador to a foreign country, the
00:41:36 job of that ambassador is actually not
00:41:39 to actually necessarily strengthen ties
00:41:41 with that country, but rather to
00:41:43 strengthen the position of the United
00:41:45 States within that country.
00:41:50 >> In the same way, when an apostle is sent
00:41:52 out, he’s not sent out there to be buddy
00:41:54 buddy with the sinners.
00:41:57 He sent out there to strengthen the
00:41:59 position of yah in the mind of the
00:42:03 sinners.
00:42:04 >> Yes. Uh not to become a sinner but to be
00:42:08 among the sinners.
00:42:10 >> Yes. Right.
00:42:11 >> Just like oh wait Yeshua did that a lot.
00:42:14 >> Well and
00:42:15 >> are you reading my mind?
00:42:17 >> And Paul calls Yeshua
00:42:20 Yahwa’s disciple.
00:42:22 >> Yeah.
00:42:24 >> Or Yahwa’s apostle.
00:42:28 Yeah.
00:42:30 All right. The Ben verse two.
00:42:34 >> Okay.
00:42:34 >> You’re on a roll.
00:42:35 >> Read that one. And behold, and lo, this
00:42:39 is an insample. Now, in sample means
00:42:42 example.
00:42:44 >> Yeah. It’s just older English.
00:42:47 >> Onto all those who were ordained. Who?
00:42:50 Unto who?
00:42:52 >> All those who were ordained unto this
00:42:54 priesthood.
00:42:56 whose mission is appointed onto them to
00:42:58 go forth,
00:43:01 >> not to go into a cushy office to forget
00:43:03 about life for about eight hours and
00:43:05 then go home to the sweetheart.
00:43:07 >> Yeah.
00:43:09 >> Not to be released from it as in um DNC
00:43:14 126.
00:43:16 >> Uh this is
00:43:18 this is
00:43:22 I I forget what does all mean? All means
00:43:25 all.
00:43:27 >> It means a totality.
00:43:28 >> Well, thank you.
00:43:29 >> It means a totality.
00:43:32 >> Means not one missing.
00:43:34 >> Yeah. So, meaning there’s no exceptions.
00:43:38 >> So, sorry Brigham Young, you did not
00:43:40 become an ameritus apostle.
00:43:42 >> Yeah. And from this priesthood is the
00:43:46 office in the priesthood known as
00:43:48 apostle. In fact, it even says at the
00:43:51 end to go forth. So, are you saying that
00:43:54 Brigham Young caught a bad case of
00:43:56 Amoritis?
00:43:58 >> I am ameritus, you know, like the
00:44:01 Ammerit.
00:44:02 >> Uh, no. I think it’s Brigham Young.
00:44:05 Young was a liar from the beginning.
00:44:07 >> Yeah.
00:44:08 >> Amen.
00:44:09 >> He was an ameritus truth truth teller.
00:44:12 >> I I will say amen to that one.
00:44:18 >> All right. Uh, and uh, three. Yeah.
00:44:21 >> All right.
00:44:23 And this is the encample unto them
00:44:27 that they shall speak as they are moved
00:44:31 upon by the Holy Spirit.
00:44:34 >> Oh, wait, wait. Does that mean uh
00:44:38 preparing a lesson for six months?
00:44:41 >> Yes, absolutely. That’s exactly what it
00:44:43 means. You you read my mind. It it means
00:44:47 that
00:44:49 I prepared my
00:44:52 presentation and you are to put up all
00:44:53 questions until after I finished it.
00:44:56 >> Now what that means is you study the
00:44:58 scriptures to get to the point where you
00:45:00 know them. So based on the needs of the
00:45:03 individuals you can teach them.
00:45:05 >> What this is yeah basically this is as
00:45:08 you are moved upon. It’s this is not you
00:45:11 need to know the scriptures well enough
00:45:13 that you can actually extemporize.
00:45:16 >> So being moved upon is like it’s stated
00:45:19 to the apostles of old. I will bring it
00:45:21 to your remembrance.
00:45:23 >> Yes.
00:45:24 >> Exactly.
00:45:25 >> Precisely.
00:45:28 >> I’ll take up verse four. And whatsoever
00:45:31 they shall speak when moved upon by the
00:45:33 Holy Spirit shall be scripture. Oh, wait
00:45:36 a minute. Because it is scripture.
00:45:39 Usually
00:45:41 >> uh no if it’s move if you if
00:45:43 >> oh no it is scripture if you’re if
00:45:45 you’re speaking is moved upon by the
00:45:47 Holy Spirit what you speak will be
00:45:49 revealed mind and will of people
00:45:50 >> it is
00:45:51 >> yeah and I agree with been there I was
00:45:54 not being bold enough
00:45:56 >> yeah I was not I was not I was not
00:45:59 >> uh shall be oh and I love how he this is
00:46:02 poetic this verse this entire verse is
00:46:05 poetic and whatsoever they shall speak
00:46:07 when moved upon by the Holy Spirit shall
00:46:09 shall be scripture, shall be the will of
00:46:13 Yahwa, shall be the mind of Yahwa, shall
00:46:16 be the word of Yahwa, shall be the voice
00:46:20 of Yahw, and the power of Elohim unto
00:46:24 salvation.
00:46:25 >> You want to know something really cool
00:46:27 here?
00:46:30 They just defined what scripture is.
00:46:32 >> Yeah.
00:46:33 >> Yep. Duh. It it it’s what Yahweh says.
00:46:39 >> It’s basically thus say.
00:46:42 >> And and and several of those words that
00:46:44 are used to describe scripture,
00:46:48 several of those phrases used to
00:46:49 describe scripture are also descriptors
00:46:51 of the Holy Ghost.
00:46:52 >> Yeah. Well, and then the will of Yahweh
00:46:55 go
00:46:57 the will of shall be the mind of Yah
00:47:01 shall be the word of Yah.
00:47:07 I mean, all these things are saying
00:47:08 Torah, Torah, Torah, Torah.
00:47:10 >> Yes.
00:47:11 >> All and they’re also all saying Holy
00:47:14 Spirit, Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit, which
00:47:16 okay, how many times do you need to see
00:47:19 Torah and Holy Spirit described the same
00:47:21 way before you re realize the Torah is
00:47:23 the Holy Spirit?
00:47:24 >> Well, and then also it does tell us that
00:47:27 Torah in this verse is
00:47:30 >> the power of Elohim.
00:47:33 >> Yep. which I I I just Can you go get um
00:47:38 Second Nephi 28?
00:47:40 >> Yes, I can.
00:47:41 >> Where’s that?
00:47:42 >> Uh and I forget the verse, but just
00:47:44 search power and it’ll it’ll be near the
00:47:47 top.
00:47:49 >> Yeah.
00:47:52 >> Yeah.
00:47:52 >> Oh, and they deny the power of Elohim,
00:47:57 >> which is the Holy Spirit,
00:48:01 >> which is Torah. That’s another way of
00:48:03 saying deny the Holy Ghost or the Holy
00:48:05 Spirit.
00:48:06 >> Yeah, it is. So, and in one of these
00:48:08 verses, it’ll say that they have a a
00:48:10 resemblance of it, but they deny the
00:48:13 power thereof.
00:48:14 >> Yes.
00:48:15 >> So, it’s probably hit the next. It’s
00:48:18 probably not
00:48:18 >> Well, and I do think that you can
00:48:20 actually find this uh resemblance of it.
00:48:25 Uh you can find some of this resemblance
00:48:27 a little bit
00:48:28 >> in the state of Texas recently having
00:48:30 signed into law that uh the ten
00:48:32 commandments must be visible
00:48:34 >> in uh in all school churches all school.
00:48:38 >> Yeah. So it’s and I’m sorry but this
00:48:41 reminds me of how the Orthodox Jews just
00:48:44 put the blue the commandments on the
00:48:47 outside. They’re not putting it on the
00:48:49 inside.
00:48:50 >> That’s right.
00:48:52 >> Yeah. So,
00:48:54 while I don’t have a problem with the
00:48:56 Ten Commandments being displayed in
00:48:58 every school,
00:48:59 >> I I mean, I think it’s good, but it’s
00:49:01 not enough, right?
00:49:02 >> It’s not enough. And it’s not um And it
00:49:06 is
00:49:08 having a likeness
00:49:11 of the power, a likeness of the
00:49:14 >> form of godliness
00:49:15 >> of God, the a likeness of godliness, but
00:49:19 denying the power thereof.
00:49:21 >> Yeah. pattern to repeat.
00:49:23 >> Yes.
00:49:24 >> Yeah.
00:49:25 >> Oh, it’s 26. So, at the end,
00:49:27 >> yay, woe be unto him that hearkeneth
00:49:30 unto the precepts of men, and denieth
00:49:32 the power of Elohim, and the gift of the
00:49:35 Holy Spirit. Yay, woe unto him that
00:49:38 saith, we have received, and we need no
00:49:41 more.
00:49:43 We have a Bible.
00:49:44 >> So, the gift of the Holy Ghost. So, Holy
00:49:49 Ghost is Torah. And in the scriptures,
00:49:52 spec specifically in the Old Testament,
00:49:54 we’ll bring out how Torah is a gift. By
00:49:56 the way, guys, uh, and this is for those
00:49:59 watching this, this
00:50:02 Torah is other than other than
00:50:07 Yeshua coming down and dying for our
00:50:10 sins.
00:50:11 This is the next greatest gift
00:50:15 given to man from Yahweh. Well, and uh
00:50:19 second Nephi 9 brings out that if it
00:50:22 wasn’t for the gift of the atonement, it
00:50:24 wouldn’t matter the
00:50:25 >> right.
00:50:26 >> Yeah.
00:50:26 >> In fact, I will also say when in the New
00:50:30 Testament when I know I don’t remember
00:50:32 where, sorry, but when Yeshua was
00:50:35 telling Peter, I have to go otherwise
00:50:38 this the Holy Spirit can’t come.
00:50:40 >> Yeah. It’s because
00:50:46 Yeshua’s atonement is integral to Torah.
00:50:50 For all the pieces of
00:50:53 this game
00:50:56 to work,
00:50:57 >> he had to do the atonement otherwise it
00:50:59 will all fall apart. And that’s why I
00:51:02 say the atonement is number one, but a
00:51:05 close second.
00:51:07 >> They’re intertwined.
00:51:07 >> Following on its heels
00:51:10 is Torah.
00:51:11 >> I will,
00:51:12 >> but they’re they’re kind of intertwined
00:51:14 though, are they not?
00:51:15 >> Yeah, they are.
00:51:16 >> Like that’s why I say it’s
00:51:18 >> too. It’s more like
00:51:20 >> I will also say this
00:51:21 >> part of the same.
00:51:23 >> Yeah, it it’s you can’t have one without
00:51:25 the
00:51:25 >> if I can.
00:51:28 I would like to say that Torah
00:51:32 outside
00:51:34 of
00:51:36 Yho coming down to earth as Yeshua and
00:51:40 paying the price for our sins is the
00:51:44 single largest manifestation of Yah’s
00:51:49 grace to man.
00:51:52 >> Yeah.
00:51:53 >> There would be no grace without that.
00:51:54 >> Yeah. You you do not have uh we did
00:52:01 nothing
00:52:03 to earn these instructions.
00:52:08 We did nothing.
00:52:13 We have not earned any of this. We are
00:52:16 not owed it. It is the single biggest
00:52:19 manifestation of outside of the
00:52:23 atonement
00:52:25 of Yah’s grace.
00:52:26 >> Yes. A and I I do want to bring out how
00:52:31 the ram with Abraham and Isaac, how his
00:52:34 horns power oh power of Elohim
00:52:39 was um I forget the actual word right
00:52:43 now, but it was stuck or caught
00:52:46 >> caught in the caught in the brambles.
00:52:49 >> Yes.
00:52:53 >> Yeah.
00:52:54 >> That is showing it’s a requirement.
00:52:56 Okay. Yes.
00:52:58 >> And I do love this last verse associated
00:53:01 with the power of the Holy Spirit. Uh,
00:53:03 cursed is he that putteth his trust in
00:53:05 man or maketh flesh his arm or shall
00:53:09 >> his strength. Arm is strength. Okay.
00:53:12 >> Correct. Or shall hearken unto the
00:53:14 precepts of men. I’m sorry brothers and
00:53:18 sisters if you are listening
00:53:22 to your teacher who is telling you the
00:53:24 Torah is not valid because of what
00:53:27 Christ did on the cross.
00:53:30 You are leaning on the arm of flesh
00:53:33 >> and putting your trust in man.
00:53:34 >> And you’re probably doing it multiple
00:53:36 times over because he’s probably because
00:53:40 when he teaches you that, he’s relying
00:53:42 on the arm of on the arm of another
00:53:44 human being who taught him that. It was
00:53:46 relying on the arm of another human
00:53:48 being who taught him that.
00:53:50 >> Perpetuating false precepts.
00:53:53 >> Yeah. And that is probably the worst one
00:53:56 there is out there. But there are other
00:53:59 precepts of men. aka oral law or aka
00:54:02 false traditions of men. This is
00:54:04 actually saying if you’re enforcing
00:54:09 the false traditions of men, even if it
00:54:12 sounds good and wholesome,
00:54:16 woe unto you.
00:54:18 >> Yes.
00:54:20 >> Especially if you say that blessings of
00:54:24 Yah are predicate upon it.
00:54:27 >> Yes. Woe unto you.
00:54:31 >> Amen.
00:54:33 Save their precepts shall be given by
00:54:35 the power of oh Torah
00:54:39 Torah
00:54:43 unto the Gentiles sayaith Yohim
00:54:47 uh Sabot. For notwithstanding I shall
00:54:50 lengthen out mine arm unto them from day
00:54:52 to day. They will deny me. Nevertheless,
00:54:55 I will be merciful unto them, saith
00:54:58 Yahweh Elohim,
00:55:00 if they will repent and come unto me,
00:55:03 for mine arm is lengthened out all the
00:55:06 day long, saith Yahwa Elohim
00:55:10 Sabot.
00:55:13 Yeah,
00:55:16 this is serious. So, all of this points
00:55:19 us back to
00:55:25 moved upon, they shall speak as they are
00:55:28 moved upon by Torah.
00:55:32 And whatsoever they shall speak when
00:55:33 moved upon by Torah shall be scripture,
00:55:38 shall be the will of Yahwa, shall be the
00:55:40 mind of Yahwa, shall be the word of
00:55:42 Yahwa, shall be the voice of Yahwa, and
00:55:45 the power of Elohim unto salvation.
00:55:48 Behold, this is the promise of Yahwa
00:55:50 unto you, oh ye my servants.
00:55:56 Meaning,
00:55:57 uh
00:55:59 they’re not their own masters. They’re
00:56:01 serving. And you are to do who you
00:56:04 serve. It is his will. Oh, wait. We just
00:56:07 talked about will,
00:56:09 >> right?
00:56:11 >> Yeah.
00:56:12 >> I mean, come on.
00:56:14 Yeah.
00:56:16 You’re to live by I just want to say
00:56:18 this. My definition of Torah is every
00:56:21 word of Yahw that is not a prescribed
00:56:24 punishment.
00:56:25 >> Yeah.
00:56:27 >> So that includes everything Book of
00:56:30 Mormon
00:56:32 DNC DNC
00:56:34 the valid DNC.
00:56:35 >> Yes. That includes the law as we get
00:56:39 this way Moses
00:56:40 >> in the DNC that does not contradict
00:56:42 previous scripture.
00:56:44 >> Yeah. Well, yeah. And I do have a list
00:56:46 of ones I don’t believe in.
00:56:48 >> I guess we could call it the the first
00:56:51 five books of Moses. Most of that. Most
00:56:53 of that.
00:56:53 >> Uh yeah, because there are some
00:56:55 reference in there.
00:56:58 And also what’s taught in the New
00:57:00 Testament, which by the way goes right
00:57:02 along with most of
00:57:05 >> the Old Testament.
00:57:06 >> Yeah. the long
00:57:09 Torah and the commentary from on that
00:57:13 from the prophets
00:57:14 >> and they don’t contradict themselves.
00:57:17 >> Yeah. And some of these prophets didn’t
00:57:19 know what the other prophets were saying
00:57:21 because they didn’t quite have the
00:57:22 technology that we have today.
00:57:24 >> Yeah.
00:57:24 >> Correct.
00:57:25 >> They didn’t have the internet people.
00:57:27 Come on.
00:57:28 >> No, they did not.
00:57:29 >> That’s that’s a new
00:57:32 >> Wherefore be of good cheer and do not
00:57:34 fear. Oh, there it is again. The call
00:57:37 out to not fear. For I, Yahweh am with
00:57:40 you and will stand by you. And ye shall
00:57:43 bear record of me, even Yeshua
00:57:45 Hamashiach, that I am the son of the
00:57:48 living Elohim, that I was, that I am,
00:57:53 and that I am to come.
00:57:57 >> Other words, yesterday, today, and
00:57:59 forever.
00:58:01 What
00:58:03 I see there
00:58:05 with the words I am, he ties himself
00:58:08 back to Moses.
00:58:11 >> Yeah.
00:58:16 >> He he appears himself to he ties himself
00:58:19 to Ya who appeared to Moses in the
00:58:21 burning bush and told him tell the
00:58:23 people of Israel that I am sent you.
00:58:26 >> Yeah. Which is the father. So he is
00:58:30 saying I am the son and the father.
00:58:34 >> Yes. And that I am to come. That is the
00:58:37 second coming of Yeshua.
00:58:38 >> And that’s the son.
00:58:41 >> Yes.
00:58:42 >> So what we have here is a veiled
00:58:44 modalism reference.
00:58:46 >> Yeah. Well, because I the Lord Lord is
00:58:49 Yahweh. Yahweh is the father.
00:58:52 >> Yes.
00:58:54 >> Despite what they tell you in an LDS
00:58:56 Sunday school.
00:58:57 >> Yes.
00:58:58 >> Yeah. Yes. But I I mean when they do say
00:59:01 Yahweh is Yeshua, they’re actually
00:59:04 right. They just don’t know why it’s
00:59:06 right.
00:59:06 >> Yeah.
00:59:07 >> It’s right because of modalism.
00:59:09 >> Well, a lot of times in LDS Sunday
00:59:11 school, they say the Lord is Yeshua.
00:59:15 >> Well, yeah, because it’s Yahweh in the
00:59:17 flesh, which is the son.
00:59:19 >> Yeah.
00:59:20 >> So, they’re they are correct on that.
00:59:22 They just don’t know why they’re correct
00:59:24 on that.
00:59:25 >> Correct.
00:59:26 >> Yeah.
00:59:27 >> Um
00:59:28 Because they they they will claim Elohim
00:59:30 or God. I hate that translation is the
00:59:34 father. But Elohim is a tied as a title
00:59:39 to Yahweh and it means judge.
00:59:43 >> Yes.
00:59:47 >> This is the word of Yahwa unto you my
00:59:51 servant Orson Hyde and also under my
00:59:52 servant Luke Johnson also unto my
00:59:54 servant Lyman Johnson and unto my
00:59:55 servant William E. Mlelen and unto all
00:59:58 the faithful
01:00:00 elders of my church. There’s there’s
01:00:02 some of these parts of these verses that
01:00:05 ring um prophetic in a way, you know,
01:00:09 like it’s kind of prophecy. It’s not
01:00:11 necessarily right then and there. It can
01:00:15 be tied to things further on down. Well,
01:00:19 he’s he’s basically saying,
01:00:21 >> “This is my word unto you guys and to
01:00:25 everyone else who follows.”
01:00:27 >> I think the I think what what stands out
01:00:30 to me in that previous verse is the word
01:00:33 faithful.
01:00:36 >> Yeah. Faithful elders of my church.
01:00:39 >> You want to define that for us, Ben?
01:00:42 >> Faithful. If you take a look at it, you
01:00:45 have the word faith and you have the
01:00:47 suffix full
01:00:50 of which basically your your action.
01:00:54 Faithful is an faithful is a descriptor
01:00:57 of of somebody’s life and actions.
01:01:02 So the faithful elders of my church are
01:01:04 not the ones who are out there hitting
01:01:07 their knees praying really hard with
01:01:08 fervent feeling. No,
01:01:11 the faithful are those who are living
01:01:14 Torah.
01:01:15 >> Yeah. So, they’re trusting in Yahweh’s
01:01:18 word.
01:01:20 >> They’re believing it
01:01:23 and they’re doing it. The diligence.
01:01:26 >> Yeah.
01:01:26 >> Yeah.
01:01:27 >> So, that is what it means to be
01:01:28 faithful. Um it you know it’s uh the
01:01:34 thing and you cannot
01:01:38 have faith without being faithful.
01:01:43 You have if you are not faithful you
01:01:45 have no faith.
01:01:48 What you have is a mental affirmation
01:01:51 that a fact is true
01:01:57 but you have no faith.
01:02:01 In order to be faith, your In order to
01:02:04 have faith, your life must be faithful.
01:02:09 Well, full is just saying that you’re
01:02:11 doing it.
01:02:12 >> Yeah.
01:02:13 >> Yeah. It has to be the fullness of your
01:02:15 life.
01:02:19 >> You mean it’s just not when it’s
01:02:20 convenient,
01:02:22 >> right?
01:02:22 >> Hey, what’s faith, guys? Faith is
01:02:25 diligent obedience.
01:02:28 and trust
01:02:29 >> and trust
01:02:30 >> and trust and trust. Sorry, you’re
01:02:32 right.
01:02:32 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:33 >> You trust that Yahwa
01:02:36 will hold uphold you as you are
01:02:42 obedient, diligently obedient
01:02:46 to Torah.
01:02:51 >> Go ye. So this is the words unto the all
01:02:56 the faithful elders of his church plus
01:02:58 these four guys. Go ye into all the
01:03:01 world preach the gospel to every
01:03:04 creature. What is the gospel Stephen?
01:03:07 >> The good news that Yeshua covers our sin
01:03:11 debt.
01:03:12 >> Yes.
01:03:12 >> I said covers on purpose.
01:03:14 >> So when he’s saying creatures, he
01:03:16 referring to those under the natural
01:03:18 man.
01:03:18 >> Natural man.
01:03:20 >> Okay.
01:03:21 >> Yeah. Because these I do think this is
01:03:23 going towards missionaries here which is
01:03:25 the natural man non-believers
01:03:28 >> and and not believers who are born again
01:03:33 which is why you’d be referred to as a
01:03:35 creature because
01:03:36 >> well right because you’re living your
01:03:38 life based on instinct.
01:03:40 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:41 >> Which is what creatures do.
01:03:42 >> Well the there’s another definition
01:03:45 there’s another way of looking at the
01:03:46 word creature too.
01:03:48 >> That’s true. And that is as the created
01:03:52 as opposed to the creator.
01:03:53 >> Oh, I see. So like to all to all
01:03:56 creation.
01:03:57 >> So if you if you have not gotten above
01:04:00 your natural man, you have not gotten to
01:04:03 the po you are not you have not gotten
01:04:05 to the point where you you haven’t
01:04:08 gotten to the point where you’re a new
01:04:10 creation. You’re still just another
01:04:12 creature.
01:04:14 >> Yeah. You’re not born again.
01:04:16 >> Yeah.
01:04:17 son of Yafi or daughter or
01:04:20 >> or basically follower. Yeah. Which is an
01:04:24 >> those are both idioms for followers.
01:04:26 >> Yeah, makes sense. Okay. Preach the
01:04:28 gospel to every creature
01:04:32 acting in the authority which I have
01:04:34 given you baptizing in the name of the
01:04:38 father and of the son and of
01:04:43 >> so I do want to bring out that that name
01:04:45 does mean character by idiom Hebrew
01:04:49 idiom and by 1828
01:04:52 dictionary definition.
01:04:54 So meaning you need to go baptize as I
01:04:59 would those who are actually keeping my
01:05:02 character or desiring to because when
01:05:05 you first learn you’re not going to be
01:05:07 doing it and Acts 15 talks about minimum
01:05:09 requirements right but anyway
01:05:11 >> yeah so the problem it the problem many
01:05:15 of the problems in the early church
01:05:17 stemmed from the fact that they were not
01:05:19 taking seriously
01:05:22 this more
01:05:24 baptizing in the name or character of
01:05:28 the father and of the son and of the
01:05:31 holy spirit. They were baptiz they were
01:05:34 baptizing people um just because they
01:05:38 believed
01:05:40 >> well and I I would say they didn’t
01:05:42 understand it.
01:05:44 >> Yeah. Uh, and I will say also
01:05:47 considering some of the interesting
01:05:49 baptism programs in South America
01:05:52 anyways, if not and Latin America,
01:05:56 >> um,
01:05:57 >> they really did not understand it. So,
01:06:00 I’ll leave it at that.
01:06:01 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:02 >> There’s some interesting antics that are
01:06:04 happening here in Texas. People are
01:06:05 getting baptized in trash cans. Okay.
01:06:08 I’m just saying.
01:06:10 >> Oh, that one’s not the Brighgamite
01:06:11 church. So, there might be some other
01:06:13 churches doing some interest. Hey, this
01:06:16 is in the Pentacles world where
01:06:17 everything goes.
01:06:18 >> Yeah, it might also come out with the
01:06:20 Cllingon or two, but I I mean I think it
01:06:23 would just be easier to do living water
01:06:25 than trash can water, but
01:06:27 >> I Yes, I would agree.
01:06:30 >> Especially if you have access reasonably
01:06:33 close to a lake or a river.
01:06:35 >> Yeah. Anyways, that’s interesting.
01:06:38 And he that believeth and is baptized
01:06:41 shall be saved, and he that believeth
01:06:44 not shall be damned.
01:06:46 >> Okay. So, Oh, go ahead, Ben.
01:06:48 >> So, once again, what does it mean to
01:06:51 believe?
01:06:52 >> Trust.
01:06:55 >> Yes.
01:06:56 >> And then go do something, delay.
01:06:59 >> Right. It’s the example that I always
01:07:02 use.
01:07:03 If some if I heard that there was going
01:07:06 to be an earthquake under my house in a
01:07:09 week and I believed that I would leave
01:07:13 my house with what I needed and my
01:07:16 family and go in and go somewhere
01:07:20 >> and with great haste and vigor.
01:07:23 >> That’s right. I would not stay in my
01:07:26 house if I believed that an earthquake
01:07:28 was going to take place directly under
01:07:31 my house.
01:07:35 Similarly,
01:07:38 when we believe
01:07:41 in Yahw and he reveals his mind and will
01:07:45 to us
01:07:47 or if we say I I should say if we say we
01:07:50 believe in Yah and he reveals his mind
01:07:53 and will to us
01:07:56 and we don’t do it,
01:08:00 we don’t believe
01:08:03 in we don’t believe in his revealed
01:08:07 character and his word. We do not
01:08:09 believe that the punishments for
01:08:11 breaking his law
01:08:14 will come upon us.
01:08:16 >> Which means you believe Yahweh is a
01:08:19 respector of persons despite what the
01:08:21 scriptures say on that.
01:08:23 >> Correct.
01:08:24 >> Exactly.
01:08:27 >> And you also believe him to be a liar.
01:08:31 >> Yeah.
01:08:33 Uh, Andrew verse 10.
01:08:35 >> And he that, this is really cool. Um,
01:08:39 and he that believeth shall be blessed
01:08:41 with signs following even it is as it is
01:08:44 written. So signs follow those that
01:08:46 believe.
01:08:47 >> Yes.
01:08:49 >> Yeah. Okay.
01:08:50 >> It’s already been written in the word.
01:08:52 It’s just reaffirming. This is a second
01:08:54 witness to that. And so by the and by
01:08:57 the way, you cannot
01:09:00 when when Yoha says that these signs
01:09:02 follow those that believe, you can’t add
01:09:05 an extra stipulation and say these signs
01:09:08 follow those that believe and hold the
01:09:09 priesthood.
01:09:14 >> Yeah, I don’t see anything about
01:09:15 priesthood being there.
01:09:17 >> No. In no instance where these signs are
01:09:20 talked about is the priesthood even
01:09:22 mentioned.
01:09:25 >> Andy, go ahead.
01:09:26 >> Well, I will tell you some of the signs
01:09:28 do require priesthood. Okay.
01:09:30 >> Yes, but not all signs follow those that
01:09:33 believe would require that.
01:09:35 >> I agree with that.
01:09:38 >> 11.
01:09:38 >> Sure. And unto you it shall be given to
01:09:42 know the signs of the times. Hm. And the
01:09:45 signs of the coming of the son of man.
01:09:49 >> And that has multiple meanings. The son
01:09:52 of man that is Yeshua and polar
01:09:55 configuration.
01:09:58 >> Yeah.
01:10:01 >> Go ahead. 128 this off of uh off of
01:10:04 recording, but yeah, let me know about
01:10:06 that. And of as many as the Father shall
01:10:10 bear record, to you shall be given power
01:10:13 to seal them up unto eternal life. Amen.
01:10:17 But that’s only
01:10:21 if you are
01:10:25 one of those that believe.
01:10:29 Now, we need to specify here. You is
01:10:33 Joseph Smith.
01:10:34 >> Correct?
01:10:38 He is the only during that time he was
01:10:41 the only person who had any kind of
01:10:43 ceiling power.
01:10:44 >> Yeah.
01:10:45 >> And
01:10:47 and so this is um
01:10:51 but here it is saying what
01:10:54 >> eternal life. This is not baptism of the
01:10:58 Holy Spirit which is the inner inner
01:11:02 >> ordinance
01:11:04 >> that is with the Melchazdc priesthood.
01:11:07 It’s not outward signs that you can go
01:11:10 everybody go see you do aka temple. So
01:11:15 right, so in terms of the history of the
01:11:18 so in terms of church history, Joseph
01:11:20 Smith senior and Hyram Smith were known
01:11:23 for giving patriarchal blessings wherein
01:11:26 they shield people up unto eternal life.
01:11:31 Is this a case of not knowing any better
01:11:34 or is this a case of um they had that
01:11:38 power to do so?
01:11:40 >> I don’t know enough to answer that.
01:11:42 Sorry.
01:11:43 Okay,
01:11:45 fair enough. That that it wasn’t meant
01:11:48 to be a gotcha. It’s just,
01:11:49 >> you know, I I I don’t know enough about
01:11:51 that history and specifically special I
01:11:54 know uh Hyram Smith had that power later
01:11:58 in life. I don’t know the history on
01:12:01 some of these things.
01:12:03 >> I don’t know if uh Joseph Smith senior
01:12:06 ever had it and so he might have been
01:12:08 doing it because he didn’t know any
01:12:10 better. But I will be on completely open
01:12:12 and honest. I haven’t studied it out and
01:12:16 I’ll be honest. I don’t have the desire
01:12:18 to and honestly
01:12:21 >> and that’s fine. I I it was a point of
01:12:24 curiosity primarily.
01:12:25 >> Yeah. And I’m I’m telling what I just
01:12:27 off the cuff what I believe.
01:12:30 >> Yeah.
01:12:31 >> I And I I do think Jo I do know Joseph
01:12:35 Smith got it later. So some of that will
01:12:37 be dependent on timing. Okay.
01:12:40 >> Yeah.
01:12:41 >> I think Joseph Smith senior my
01:12:44 impression he didn’t know any better. So
01:12:47 this just like today’s patriarchs. Sorry
01:12:50 that’s not sorry.
01:12:52 >> But this sealing power also has nothing
01:12:54 to do with eternal marriage.
01:13:00 >> And that’s a whole another subject. Nor
01:13:01 does it have to do with sealing your
01:13:04 children which is I think is just
01:13:05 completely made up. which actually
01:13:08 Joseph Smith never there is no claim
01:13:11 that Joseph Smith that you seal your
01:13:13 children to the parents. There’s no
01:13:16 claims that Joseph Smith ever taught
01:13:17 that that came later in history. Yeah.
01:13:19 >> Okay.
01:13:20 >> Um and they claim it’s that they were
01:13:23 trying to put pieces together from
01:13:24 Joseph Smith and that they later got
01:13:27 revelation on that. Where is that
01:13:30 revelation? because Book of Mormon and
01:13:33 Torah actually specifically states that
01:13:37 they need to uh excuse me, publish it.
01:13:40 And in the Torah, it basically says,
01:13:41 “What’s been revealed is ours, as in the
01:13:43 peoples, yours and mine. Give it to me
01:13:47 because it is mine according to Torah.”
01:13:50 >> Yeah.
01:13:50 >> Yeah.
01:13:50 >> Yeah.
01:13:52 >> Yeah. As I always as I always say, I
01:13:54 would love to see that revelation.
01:13:56 >> Well, and I I I’m adding some extra
01:13:58 emphasis. According to the word, it’s
01:14:00 mine. Give it to me. Otherwise, you are
01:14:04 stealing.
01:14:05 >> Yes.
01:14:06 >> Yeah.
01:14:06 >> Yes.
01:14:07 >> Breaking one of the divisions, basic
01:14:10 divisions of Torah. Give it to me or
01:14:12 you’re stealing. Or you’re lying. And I
01:14:14 know what you’re doing. You’re lying.
01:14:17 >> Yeah.
01:14:18 >> Either way, they’re breaking one of the
01:14:19 commandments.
01:14:20 >> Well, yeah. Either way.
01:14:22 >> Yeah.
01:14:24 >> Good point there. 67.
01:14:28 >> Oh, yeah.
01:14:28 >> Yes. Six. Yeah.
01:14:32 And now concerning the items in addition
01:14:35 to the covenants and commandments, they
01:14:39 are these.
01:14:41 There remain hereafter in the due time.
01:14:45 Let me say that again. In the due time
01:14:47 of Yahwa
01:14:49 other bishops to be set apart unto the
01:14:52 church to minister even according to the
01:14:54 first.
01:14:55 >> So I I know this is unrelated, but I do
01:14:57 just want to say this. Due time is like
01:14:59 due season and numbers 28.
01:15:03 >> It’s appointed times.
01:15:05 >> It’s mid.
01:15:07 >> No, it’s not. It It’s a specific time.
01:15:12 >> Oh,
01:15:12 >> okay. Okay.
01:15:14 >> It’s a specific time.
01:15:16 >> Okay.
01:15:16 >> In the due time. Okay. Gotcha. Cool.
01:15:19 Cool. Cool. Thank you for the
01:15:20 correction. Wherefore they shall be high
01:15:23 priests who are worthy, and they shall
01:15:25 be appointed by the first presidency of
01:15:27 the Milkisc priesthood, except they be
01:15:29 literal descendants of Aaron.
01:15:33 And if they be literal descendants of
01:15:35 Aaron, they have a legal right to the
01:15:39 bishop Rick.
01:15:40 >> Wait, legal goes with law, which goes to
01:15:43 Torah. They do not have legal without
01:15:46 law. That’s
01:15:47 >> Oh, and and here’s another
01:15:50 Awesome.
01:15:51 >> Here’s another stipulation to that. If
01:15:54 they are the first born among the sons
01:15:58 of Aaron.
01:15:59 >> Yeah. Yeah. You can’t be second borns.
01:16:02 It’s the firstborn.
01:16:04 >> Yeah. Only the firstborn have
01:16:06 inheritance.
01:16:09 >> No,
01:16:10 the firstborn had double portion. But
01:16:13 >> yeah, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, but this
01:16:16 this part right here is going more along
01:16:19 the lines of patriarchy.
01:16:23 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.
01:16:25 Yeah,
01:16:26 >> that’s fine.
01:16:27 >> For the firstborn holds the right of the
01:16:30 presidency over this priesthood and the
01:16:33 keys or authority of the same.
01:16:35 >> Yeah. So on on this the right of the um
01:16:40 or uh sorry, what did it say? The
01:16:42 >> right of the presidency. presidency the
01:16:45 the first the reason the firstborn gets
01:16:49 the double portion is because he’s in
01:16:51 charge.
01:16:53 >> Yes. Yes.
01:16:54 >> And and so that means he takes on
01:16:57 additional burdens. Okay. And blessings
01:17:00 that goes along with taking of it.
01:17:02 >> So it’s only right that they get more if
01:17:05 they have more on their shoulders. Yes.
01:17:07 >> It goes along with the concept of unto
01:17:09 whom much is given much is required.
01:17:11 >> Yes. So
01:17:13 >> yes. Yes. So, Andrew brought up a
01:17:16 connection I wouldn’t have but which is
01:17:19 completely true and correct. Right.
01:17:21 >> Yes.
01:17:21 >> Um a lot of people will look at the
01:17:24 firstborn as they will only look at the
01:17:28 privilege part. I have power.
01:17:32 >> Well, with power comes responsibility.
01:17:35 >> Yes.
01:17:36 >> You have to do things. So, you’re saying
01:17:39 Spider-Man did have one good line in it.
01:17:42 With great power comes great
01:17:43 responsibility.
01:17:44 >> Well, he’s summarized in scripture.
01:17:47 That’s why the lie.
01:17:52 >> Neither here or there. Spider-Man
01:17:53 represents the Jesuits. But anyways,
01:17:57 >> and you know what? You get caught in
01:18:00 Satan’s web.
01:18:03 The Jesuits are always pushing out these
01:18:05 sins getting caught in Satan’s web. And
01:18:07 what does Spider-Man do? Oh, yeah. He
01:18:10 spits out um
01:18:13 >> webs while doing the sign of Satan. Yep.
01:18:17 That’s
01:18:17 >> Yeah, good point.
01:18:19 >> Oh, yeah. It might be inverted.
01:18:21 >> No, I’m not doing it. John is sign of
01:18:24 Satan. So, one of them. It’s the bull,
01:18:27 but
01:18:27 >> Yeah,
01:18:29 >> it’s the inverted bowl, but it’s the
01:18:31 bull.
01:18:32 >> Yeah.
01:18:32 >> Well, well, Sain’s way is wide. He’s
01:18:36 okay with it being modified. Yeah,
01:18:38 you’re right. You’re right.
01:18:41 >> It’s a straight and error. You have to
01:18:42 do it.
01:18:51 >> Okay. So, for the first holds the right
01:18:54 of the presidency over this priesthood
01:18:56 and the keys or authority of the same.
01:18:58 No man has a legal right to this office
01:19:02 to hold the keys of this priesthood
01:19:04 except he be a literal descendant and
01:19:07 the firstborn of Aaron. There he goes
01:19:10 reiterating
01:19:12 >> right in right not privilege.
01:19:16 >> Yes.
01:19:17 >> Those who have the malp mazes priesthood
01:19:20 can be called to that but it’s a
01:19:22 privilege not a right.
01:19:24 >> Yes. and privilege can be taken away.
01:19:28 >> Yes.
01:19:29 >> Correct.
01:19:30 >> Now, even with the sons of Aaron
01:19:32 firstborns, uh
01:19:35 if they’re not being righteous, it can
01:19:38 still be taken away. But the writer
01:19:42 >> shows that they have um precedence or
01:19:46 preference in Yahweh’s mind before a
01:19:49 MelkiseDC priesthood holder. Okay.
01:19:51 >> Yes. And we’re about to cover that.
01:19:53 >> Oh, okay. Well,
01:19:54 >> that is coming up.
01:19:56 >> Okay.
01:19:57 >> You want to read?
01:19:58 >> You do know what’s coming. I don’t.
01:19:59 Right.
01:20:00 >> Yeah, I know. But no,
01:20:02 >> your roll there, big guy. Slow your
01:20:03 roll.
01:20:04 >> Okay.
01:20:04 >> Well, no. It’s good that he’s talking
01:20:06 about it.
01:20:07 >> No, no,
01:20:07 >> he’s about to be born.
01:20:08 >> I didn’t know it was there. I really I
01:20:10 have
01:20:10 >> But you’re about I know. I know you
01:20:12 didn’t. But you’re about to be born up
01:20:14 in scripture by scripture, Stephen. So,
01:20:16 do you want to read verse 19?
01:20:18 >> Sure. Did you want to say something?
01:20:20 >> Oh, I was just saying I was uh I was
01:20:22 just heckling. Oh, okay. Anyway, okay.
01:20:25 Anyway, so but as a high priest of the
01:20:27 mazesc priesthood has authority to
01:20:30 officiate in the lesser offices. So
01:20:33 authority, the ability, right? He may
01:20:36 officiate in the office as a bishop when
01:20:39 Oh, there’s that preference there. When
01:20:43 right,
01:20:44 >> no literal descendant of Aaron can be
01:20:46 found, provided
01:20:48 is called and set apart and ordained
01:20:50 unto this power under the hands of the
01:20:52 first presidency of the mazes
01:20:54 priesthood. Oh, wait a minute. It’s not
01:20:56 the state president, is it?
01:20:58 >> No.
01:20:59 >> Wait, let’s go read that again. under
01:21:01 the hands of the first presidency of the
01:21:03 Melzdc priesthood.
01:21:05 >> That’s not state president.
01:21:06 >> Is that the the first presidency of the
01:21:09 mazes priesthood? Is that
01:21:10 >> which is the first president?
01:21:11 >> First president. Okay. To clarify on
01:21:14 that is the first presidency.
01:21:17 >> Yeah.
01:21:17 >> Um because it’s first as meaning the
01:21:21 highest within the church,
01:21:23 >> right?
01:21:25 >> Oh, sorry.
01:21:26 >> Oh, was it going to say that? I was just
01:21:28 going to say they’re above the first
01:21:30 presidency is the only one can tell the
01:21:34 apostles what to do because the apostles
01:21:36 is missionary arm for the most part
01:21:40 they’re out on their own. Okay.
01:21:41 >> Right.
01:21:42 >> Right. And and so it’s interesting when
01:21:45 Josh and I and us were reading this
01:21:47 section, Josh had a question. Well, what
01:21:50 happens if your big big guy happens to,
01:21:55 you know,
01:21:57 be uh be sinful? Is there uh uh is there
01:22:01 due process for that? And I said, “Yes.”
01:22:03 >> Yes, there is. It’s uh there’s a council
01:22:06 in the DC. It is, but
01:22:07 >> yeah, it it he’s
01:22:10 uh he is taken to court to a court of
01:22:15 high counsel.
01:22:16 >> Yeah. The high council of the church. So
01:22:18 church and there’s 12 there.
01:22:20 >> Yeah, cuz it’s the traveling high
01:22:22 council. That’s
01:22:22 >> it’s not the traveling hell council
01:22:24 which is apostles. And so this is a
01:22:26 council that I know no restoration
01:22:29 church that has this.
01:22:31 >> Correct.
01:22:32 >> Now I don’t know them all because
01:22:33 there’s like 400 of them. So I don’t
01:22:36 I don’t have I I haven’t studied that
01:22:38 many. I I do know some of the more
01:22:40 popular or
01:22:41 >> No, you do see you do see variations of
01:22:44 this in several Protestant churches
01:22:47 where they use the deacons to try
01:22:49 pastors.
01:22:53 Um
01:22:54 >> yeah,
01:22:55 >> it’s a variation on the idea.
01:22:57 >> Yeah, but that should be done by a
01:23:00 higher court,
01:23:02 not lower.
01:23:03 >> I’m not saying that it should
01:23:05 >> not saying they’re right. He’s saying
01:23:06 that it’s
01:23:08 I’m just providing something that
01:23:10 somebody else that you can if you don’t
01:23:14 have the background of the restoration
01:23:17 that you can look to and maybe
01:23:20 understand what it what it’s talking
01:23:21 about in the Doctrine and Covenants.
01:23:23 >> Yeah, I can see how it’s close but it’s
01:23:26 not at the same time. Right.
01:23:27 >> Right. But it’s just a point maybe for
01:23:30 understanding. Uh
01:23:32 >> for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a a an
01:23:35 example to kind of get some understand
01:23:38 >> so you can wrap your head around it a
01:23:39 little.
01:23:39 >> So you can wrap your head Yeah. So you
01:23:41 can wrap your head around what what that
01:23:43 due proc what that due process against
01:23:46 the leaders of the church looks like.
01:23:48 >> Oh and by the way the void uh people if
01:23:52 you see your leaders
01:23:55 doing sin
01:23:57 you should communicate that. Yeah. The
01:24:02 Yahweh in the DC states that and I bring
01:24:04 that out on my church government page.
01:24:06 >> Yeah. They need calling out.
01:24:09 >> Yeah. They they you the meholding sin
01:24:13 otherwise you are upholding sin.
01:24:15 >> Yeah. The me one of the jobs of the
01:24:17 member is to keep the leaders in line.
01:24:20 >> Yeah.
01:24:20 >> Not not by their opinions. Okay.
01:24:23 >> Yeah. No. No. No.
01:24:24 >> By y’s actual words.
01:24:27 >> Yes.
01:24:28 >> Yeah. your opinion. Your opinion. While
01:24:31 it’s nice that you have an opinion, it
01:24:33 really kind of doesn’t matter.
01:24:35 >> Is it like armpit spin like you like to
01:24:37 say?
01:24:38 >> Well, I I always like everyone has them
01:24:41 and they stink.
01:24:43 >> Everyone has butts
01:24:46 and they usually stink.
01:24:47 >> Oh, absolutely. Riply.
01:24:51 >> Unless you’ve just gotten out of the
01:24:52 shower, your butt.
01:24:53 >> And even then, even then it probably
01:24:56 will.
01:24:56 >> Okay, moving on. All right. So,
01:24:59 >> get into the
01:25:00 >> All right, Stephen. So, Stephen, what I
01:25:03 was talking about in verse 20 is that
01:25:06 whole idea of the literal descendant
01:25:09 still has something.
01:25:11 >> Okay. So, I I I just I
01:25:14 I know what’s in there in these things
01:25:17 in a lot of places and also
01:25:20 >> it makes sense. It really
01:25:23 >> um
01:25:23 >> Yeah. Otherwise, respector of persons.
01:25:25 Otherwise, God has respect for persons.
01:25:28 I
01:25:28 >> It’s good to have it canonized also,
01:25:31 right?
01:25:32 >> Absolutely. Absolutely.
01:25:35 >> Yeah. Verse 20, buddy.
01:25:38 >> Uh, which buddy?
01:25:40 >> You, buddy.
01:25:41 >> Okay. And
01:25:43 >> who is you?
01:25:44 >> Okay. And a literal, it’s the one that
01:25:46 was talking. So,
01:25:48 >> contacts. And a literal dis literal
01:25:51 descendant of Aaron also must be pre or
01:25:55 must be designated by this presidency.
01:25:58 And this is the first presidency of the
01:26:00 MKSC priesthood that was talked about
01:26:01 earlier. Okay.
01:26:02 >> Yeah.
01:26:03 >> And found worthy aka um
01:26:07 righteous, right?
01:26:09 >> And anointed and ordained under the
01:26:12 hands of this presidency aka the first
01:26:15 president. Oh, wait.
01:26:17 So that’s not a sick president, right?
01:26:19 >> No, I
01:26:22 >> Well, yeah, the LDS church does things
01:26:25 wrong.
01:26:26 >> Oh, absolutely.
01:26:28 >> They they they actually do a lot wrong.
01:26:32 >> Anyways, okay. And that I I I’m being a
01:26:35 little Oh, this isn’t funny and bringing
01:26:38 it out, but it’s the first presidency.
01:26:43 Not an apostle or or state president.
01:26:47 First presidency.
01:26:50 Otherwise, they are not legally
01:26:53 authorized to officiate in their
01:26:55 priesthood. Yep. Legally authorized.
01:26:58 Yeah. So these bishops all over the
01:27:01 place,
01:27:04 they’re not legal.
01:27:07 >> Yeah.
01:27:09 >> And again, there’s a big surprise for
01:27:11 you. And again, you have to have a law
01:27:14 in order for them to be legally
01:27:16 authorized,
01:27:16 >> right? And legally goes back.
01:27:19 >> So once again,
01:27:21 you
01:27:21 >> Oh, sorry. You were talking by my
01:27:22 balance.
01:27:23 >> That’s fine. So legally goes back to
01:27:26 being the law aka
01:27:28 Torah.
01:27:30 >> Yeah.
01:27:30 >> Which is Yahweh’s law. Go ahead, Ben.
01:27:33 >> So the the thing that I was going to say
01:27:35 is so what we have once again is show me
01:27:40 the revelation in Yos Torah that changed
01:27:44 the order of things.
01:27:46 >> Oh,
01:27:48 wait a minute. What was it? DNC 20 I
01:27:51 think that said uh Joseph Smith was
01:27:53 restoring how it was before now
01:27:56 something brand spanking new and oh wait
01:27:59 a minute Yahweh says his ways don’t turn
01:28:03 to the right or to the left
01:28:06 >> something like that
01:28:06 >> oh wait a minute Joseph Smith said in
01:28:08 lectures on faith three that if Yahweh’s
01:28:11 ways were to change you couldn’t have
01:28:12 faith unto salvation because you
01:28:14 wouldn’t know if you’re doing what
01:28:15 you’re supposed to at the point but
01:28:18 >> or in the moment that sounds better What
01:28:20 of the higher law?
01:28:22 >> There is no show me that in scriptures.
01:28:25 >> Show me the show me the revelation in
01:28:27 Yah’s mind and will that talks of a
01:28:29 higher law.
01:28:29 >> And I’m not talking about the black
01:28:31 spaces.
01:28:32 >> Yeah. Just because scholars of men, not
01:28:37 Yahweh, say there’s a higher law. That
01:28:39 doesn’t mean it’s true.
01:28:41 >> I see no scriptures there’s no higher
01:28:43 law. It’s one law. Even DNC,
01:28:47 >> correct me if I’m wrong. 88 talks about
01:28:49 how there’s one law that governs
01:28:51 everything. Or is it 84? I can’t
01:28:53 remember.
01:28:54 >> I will have you know that I have a
01:28:56 doctorate in reading black spa uh white
01:28:58 spaces. So
01:29:00 >> it’s there.
01:29:02 >> It’s in the white space.
01:29:03 >> Is your doctor in that empty space, too?
01:29:06 >> It’s in the white space.
01:29:10 >> Your doctor in the white the empty
01:29:11 space, too? Because I’m not seeing it.
01:29:14 It’s all there.
01:29:17 >> All right. So father
01:29:19 >> verse 21. But by virtue of the decree
01:29:22 concerning their right of the priesthood
01:29:24 descending from father to son, they may
01:29:26 claim their anointing if at any time
01:29:29 they can prove their lineage.
01:29:31 >> Okay. So this is going about the the
01:29:33 lineage of Aaron, right?
01:29:36 >> Correct.
01:29:36 >> The position of bishop.
01:29:39 >> Correct.
01:29:40 or do ascertain it by revelation from
01:29:45 Yahoo under the hands of the above named
01:29:48 presidency.
01:29:50 >> So you can’t just if you can’t show it,
01:29:52 you just can’t claim it.
01:29:54 >> Yeah. No, you can’t.
01:29:55 >> You can’t name it and claim it. Sorry.
01:29:58 >> Yeah. It’s the first president that uh
01:30:00 presidency, which there’s three people,
01:30:02 so it’s got to be one of those three
01:30:04 that can reveal it if it gets to that.
01:30:08 >> Right. Now, would it be one of the three
01:30:10 or do they all have to be in concert on
01:30:13 that?
01:30:14 >> Um,
01:30:17 my opinion, because I don’t know verse
01:30:19 that specifically says it one way or the
01:30:20 other, it’s one of them.
01:30:22 >> Just one. Okay.
01:30:23 >> But, uh, we’d have to check some other
01:30:25 things and do all applications.
01:30:28 >> Something for another day. But,
01:30:30 >> yeah. Okay.
01:30:30 >> Um, I don’t absolutely know.
01:30:33 >> Okay.
01:30:34 And again, no bishop or high priest who
01:30:38 shall who shall be set apart for this
01:30:40 ministry shall be tried or condemned for
01:30:43 any crime save it be before the first
01:30:46 presidency of the church. And this was
01:30:48 the
01:30:50 >> that led to Josh’s question.
01:30:52 >> Wait, it’s not the state president?
01:30:56 >> No,
01:30:57 >> I I I this is a common question is I
01:31:00 have isn’t it? It’s not the state
01:31:02 president as it is done now. is and
01:31:05 where is the revelation in the mind and
01:31:07 will of Yah that changed it?
01:31:11 >> There is none because he would never
01:31:12 change his ways as I just earlier.
01:31:15 >> Well, to go along with you guys’s
01:31:17 question though, I would say like since
01:31:20 this is only talking about bishops and
01:31:22 how bishops are to be handled. I mean,
01:31:25 in other places it talks about how to
01:31:27 handle the higherups, right?
01:31:29 >> Yeah. The elders is talking about the
01:31:32 bishops.
01:31:32 >> Yeah. But no,
01:31:34 >> uh to be a bishop, if you’re not a
01:31:37 descendant of Aaron, you have to be uh
01:31:42 Melzdc priesthood holder, a elder.
01:31:45 >> Yes.
01:31:47 >> And the DNC, I think this one’s 107.
01:31:51 >> Yeah, this is 107.
01:31:52 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:31:52 >> It states that all Melzdc priesthood
01:31:56 held judged by
01:31:59 Oh, yeah. It’s not the state president.
01:32:01 It’s Oh, yeah. the first presidency.
01:32:03 >> Yeah.
01:32:04 >> Wait, I see a pattern here,
01:32:08 >> man.
01:32:09 >> Has to be ordained or set apart or
01:32:12 called or given by the first presidency
01:32:15 is just by the first presidency, not the
01:32:20 state president.
01:32:24 >> That’s not done, people. And and I don’t
01:32:27 know any restoration church that does
01:32:29 this correctly.
01:32:30 >> No. Yeah. Um,
01:32:34 >> right here.
01:32:36 >> Read this. Read. You say you want to do
01:32:40 Yahweh’s will,
01:32:42 >> right?
01:32:42 >> Read it. So, you know it so you can do
01:32:45 it. The interesting thing is is that
01:32:49 that while this does pres while doing it
01:32:51 this way would present logistical
01:32:54 challenges, you have not been given
01:32:56 permission to change Yelp’s ways due to
01:32:59 logistical challenges. Okay. So the
01:33:02 reason why I do not I I if it was men
01:33:07 that determine who got the Melzdic
01:33:09 priesthood who men who can’t read other
01:33:12 men’s hearts, I would agree with Ben.
01:33:15 I’m going to add something here though.
01:33:17 The Melzdc priesthood is not given by
01:33:20 man.
01:33:20 >> That’s right.
01:33:21 >> Or by laying on of hands. It’s given by
01:33:23 Yah’s own voice through the first
01:33:26 presidency.
01:33:28 >> Yes.
01:33:29 >> So the reason why I don’t see this as a
01:33:32 logistic issue is if you give it the way
01:33:35 it’s supposed to be given,
01:33:37 >> there would hardly be any problems.
01:33:40 >> Yeah.
01:33:41 >> Yes.
01:33:41 >> There would be much less
01:33:45 There’d be far fewer Melkisedc
01:33:47 priesthood holders
01:33:49 >> in today’s world. Yes. But even if there
01:33:51 if that was not the case,
01:33:55 Yahweh knows everyone’s hearts
01:34:00 and thus including those who would be
01:34:02 receiving the MKESC priesthood and he’s
01:34:04 not be going to be giving it willy-nilly
01:34:06 to people as it is today in restoration
01:34:08 churches.
01:34:09 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:34:10 >> Joke the way they do it.
01:34:11 >> I think that I think that’s kind of what
01:34:12 I was getting to, but No,
01:34:15 >> I don’t want to be explicit to me.
01:34:18 >> Technical to me. I’m being explicit to
01:34:20 me.
01:34:22 >> No, you have to find Edward.
01:34:24 >> Explicit Edward.
01:34:27 >> Yeah. So, we need another E name. So,
01:34:29 but anyway,
01:34:29 >> Edward Edward.
01:34:31 >> Explicit Edward.
01:34:32 >> Okay. I’m being explicit Edward. Okay.
01:34:36 >> All right.
01:34:36 >> Giving people no excuse.
01:34:39 >> Yes. Absolutely.
01:34:41 And in as much as he is found guilty
01:34:44 before this presidency
01:34:46 test,
01:34:47 >> this is the first presidency again,
01:34:49 right?
01:34:50 >> Yes, it is.
01:34:51 >> By testimony that
01:34:53 >> by testimony that cannot be impeached.
01:34:56 >> Why is that important?
01:34:58 >> Uh because we are to be judged by
01:35:01 witnesses, not opinions.
01:35:04 >> Exactly.
01:35:06 And what happens if say he was found
01:35:09 guilty by a perjured witness
01:35:13 >> or or could have been final?
01:35:15 >> Right. Right. Right. Right.
01:35:16 >> Could have been
01:35:18 >> that person gets the punishment that
01:35:20 they would have caused.
01:35:23 >> So therefore, that’s why the testimony
01:35:25 cannot be impeached.
01:35:28 >> Yeah. It once it’s done, you’re
01:35:31 responsible for it. Period. which
01:35:33 actually would fix a lot of problems in
01:35:36 today’s court system.
01:35:38 >> Yes.
01:35:40 >> Right now you got people lying
01:35:41 willy-nilly because ultimately most of
01:35:43 the time
01:35:44 >> there’s no consequence for it.
01:35:46 >> Yeah. There’s no consequences to it. Uh
01:35:49 there are some cases where there are
01:35:52 adding some consequences
01:35:55 uh to willy-nilly
01:35:59 accusements. Okay. which I do believe is
01:36:02 appropriate which women accusing men
01:36:05 okay in a specific action
01:36:08 >> uh I just don’t want to bring it up the
01:36:10 specific here but they’re there are
01:36:13 starting to follow Yahweh’s Torah about
01:36:16 how
01:36:18 they will get that type of punishment
01:36:20 though they’re not going quite that far
01:36:21 but they are being punished okay
01:36:23 >> yes
01:36:24 >> uh so found guilty before this
01:36:26 presidency he shall be condemned and if
01:36:29 he repent he shall be forgiven.
01:36:32 >> So condemned,
01:36:34 removed from the church.
01:36:36 >> Yes.
01:36:40 >> And that’s
01:36:42 that’s how you get condemned is you’re
01:36:44 removed from Yahweh’s church, which also
01:36:46 goes along with what is it?
01:36:49 >> Elma
01:36:51 No, I mean Mosiah 20 with Abenadi.
01:36:54 >> Yeah,
01:36:55 >> I think it’s 20 or somewhere around that
01:36:57 range if it’s not.
01:36:58 >> So,
01:36:59 >> or maybe it’s later 20. Anyways, maybe I
01:37:01 think it’s actually later 20s now I’m
01:37:03 thinking about it. But there’s a
01:37:04 question I have uh the next verse, the
01:37:07 first part of it. Well, go ahead and
01:37:10 read it first.
01:37:10 >> Okay. It says, “And if he repent, he
01:37:13 shall be forgiven.” So, is he
01:37:15 automatically removed from the church
01:37:17 and then if he repents, he’s baptized
01:37:20 back into the church or how does that
01:37:22 work? Or is he given a chance to
01:37:25 >> They’re given a chance to repent before
01:37:27 he’s taken. Oh, before the condemnation
01:37:30 occurred.
01:37:30 >> Yeah. Uh and one big example of this is
01:37:34 in early third Nephi chapters about uh
01:37:39 punishing those for their
01:37:44 >> improper
01:37:46 war actions. They’re asked if they want
01:37:48 to repent first because you can’t undo
01:37:52 that consequence because that one’s a
01:37:55 capital punishment and you can’t undo
01:37:56 death. Yeah.
01:37:58 >> And so they’re giving them a chance to
01:38:00 repent and if they don’t then they get
01:38:01 the consequences. Mercy is in integral
01:38:05 to Torah. And this verse shows this.
01:38:09 >> In fact, I’m going to have to save this
01:38:11 verse later. Like remember anyways, but
01:38:14 this verse shows that mercy, forgiveness
01:38:17 is integral to Torah.
01:38:19 >> Yes.
01:38:21 >> All right.
01:38:21 >> Wait. And if he shall repent, he shall
01:38:24 be forgiven according to the covenants
01:38:28 and commandments of the church.
01:38:30 >> Oh, wait. Covenants is another word for
01:38:32 Torah. And commandments are the
01:38:36 what you’re supposed to do portion of
01:38:38 Torah.
01:38:40 >> Yes.
01:38:42 According to Torah.
01:38:46 And again in
01:38:48 >> so it’s cool that we found a verse that
01:38:50 says something that I’ve been preaching
01:38:52 but
01:38:55 >> and and I I did it out of reasoning
01:38:57 things out right but here it is
01:39:00 explicitly spelled out
01:39:02 >> this whole section is so pro Torah
01:39:07 it’s just not even it’s not even funny.
01:39:12 >> Yeah.
01:39:13 >> Yep.
01:39:15 And again in
01:39:16 >> Oh, wait. Can we pause for a minute,
01:39:17 please?
01:39:18 >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:39:20 >> All right. Pick it up in verse 25. And
01:39:23 again in in as much as parents have
01:39:25 children in Zion or in any of her stakes
01:39:28 which are organized that teach them not
01:39:31 to understand the doctrine of repentance
01:39:34 faith in Messiah the son of the living
01:39:36 Elohim and of baptism and the gift of
01:39:39 the Holy Spirit by the laying on of
01:39:41 hands when eight years or Hebrew 8 Greek
01:39:45 >> says okay we’re good
01:39:47 >> uh the sin be upon the heads of the
01:39:50 parents.
01:39:52 So, if you don’t teach these things,
01:39:56 uh, you need to repent.
01:39:58 >> Yes,
01:39:59 >> 100%.
01:40:01 Uh, let’s see here.
01:40:03 >> That doesn’t mean that you have to wait
01:40:04 until they’re an adult to teach them.
01:40:05 You’re supposed to teach them to your
01:40:07 children before they’re eight.
01:40:08 >> Yes.
01:40:09 >> And then you’re to have them baptized at
01:40:12 8 Hebrew.
01:40:15 For this shall be a law unto the
01:40:18 inhabitants of Zion, or in any of her
01:40:20 stakes which are organized.
01:40:23 And their children shall be baptized for
01:40:25 the remission of their sins when Hebrew
01:40:28 8, Greek 7, and receive the laying on of
01:40:33 the hands.
01:40:35 And they shall also teach their children
01:40:38 to pray and to walk uprightly before
01:40:41 Yahwa.
01:40:43 And the inhabitants of Zion shall also
01:40:45 observe the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
01:40:53 And the inhabitants of Zion also shall
01:40:56 remember their labors in it.
01:40:58 >> That’s an unequivocal statement. Now, it
01:41:00 doesn’t state the lunar Sabbath day, but
01:41:03 it does say the Sabbath day.
01:41:04 >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and in DNC 59, Joseph
01:41:08 Smith was asking when the Sabbath is. He
01:41:11 didn’t Yahweh didn’t tell him. He says,
01:41:13 “Go search the scriptures.” Now,
01:41:16 >> I this is my personal opinion because
01:41:19 Yahweh answered other prayers to Joseph
01:41:21 Smith. It was not time to reveal the
01:41:23 lunar Sabbath yet.
01:41:25 >> Yeah.
01:41:25 >> It is in the scriptures and I have posts
01:41:29 on it that I’ve written myself among
01:41:32 other peoples. Okay.
01:41:34 >> Yeah. So, just so we’re aware, those the
01:41:39 inhabitants of Zion shall do these
01:41:42 things. These are commandments.
01:41:45 Yeah.
01:41:46 >> And not only that, but there’s something
01:41:49 interesting about that word shall.
01:41:53 >> It’s also prophetic as well.
01:41:55 >> Prophetic. It points it to a prophetic
01:41:57 future time.
01:41:59 >> Yeah, that’s true. And the inhabitants
01:42:02 of Zion also shall remember their labors
01:42:05 in as much as they are appointed to
01:42:07 labor
01:42:10 appointed to labor uh in all
01:42:12 faithfulness. For the idler shall be had
01:42:16 in remembrance before Yahwa.
01:42:19 The idler is the lazy layabout.
01:42:24 Yeah. And so you know they’re saying
01:42:26 labor and faith. That’s kind of weird.
01:42:29 So I I this is something I do when I I
01:42:33 do anything. I
01:42:37 do it as if I’m doing it for Yahweh.
01:42:40 >> Yeah.
01:42:42 Yeah.
01:42:43 >> And if you have that attitude, guess
01:42:45 what?
01:42:47 If you’re really a believer Yahweh,
01:42:50 you’re gonna do a good job.
01:42:51 >> You do better work. Yeah. 100%.
01:42:54 >> Yeah. So anyway, this is interesting. do
01:42:57 your work in faith.
01:42:59 I I I wonder and I don’t know for sure,
01:43:02 but could it be what I
01:43:05 suggested that I do?
01:43:07 >> Yeah,
01:43:07 >> I don’t know. I I because I don’t know
01:43:09 100%. I’m just suggesting it.
01:43:11 >> I would agree. I would agree with that
01:43:13 because look at what it says. In as much
01:43:16 as they are appointed to labor. So, and
01:43:19 the inhabitants of Zion shall also shall
01:43:22 remember their labors. And as much as
01:43:25 they are appointed to labor in all
01:43:28 faithfulness.
01:43:31 >> Well,
01:43:32 >> so it’s in all faithfulness that means
01:43:35 they are
01:43:38 >> doing it unto him.
01:43:41 >> Yeah. Well, and then forget the verse in
01:43:44 Mosiah 2 through5. It brings out what
01:43:47 you do unto others, you do unto Yahweh.
01:43:50 >> That’s Messiah 3:17, I believe.
01:43:53 >> Okay. Uh,
01:43:57 >> if you have done it under the under the
01:43:59 least of these, my brethren, you’ve done
01:44:00 it.
01:44:01 >> No, no, that’s I’m sorry. I am confusing
01:44:04 the words of Yeshua with the words of
01:44:06 >> I think it’s Mosiah 217.
01:44:08 >> 217. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:44:11 >> Well, I don’t remember the exact quote,
01:44:13 but yes, it is in the Book of Mormon and
01:44:15 the New Testament. So,
01:44:16 >> yes, I Yeah, I was confusing.
01:44:19 >> I do think the least one is Yeshua in
01:44:21 the New Testament. Yes, that one is
01:44:23 Yeshua.
01:44:24 >> When you are in the service of your
01:44:25 fellow beings, you’re only in the
01:44:26 service.
01:44:27 >> Okay, there you go. I think
01:44:29 >> Yeah. Yeah, that’s the one. Um,
01:44:33 now I, Yahwa, am not well pleased with
01:44:36 the inhabitants of Zion, for there are
01:44:39 idlers among them, and their children
01:44:41 are also growing up in wickedness. They
01:44:44 also seek not earnestly the riches of
01:44:46 eternity, but their eyes are full of
01:44:48 greediness. So one thing is interesting
01:44:52 secret combination members specifically
01:44:55 at the head are lazy idle and they have
01:44:59 greed.
01:45:03 >> These things ought not to be and must be
01:45:05 done away from among them. Wherefore let
01:45:08 my servant Oliver Cery carry these
01:45:10 sayings unto the land of Zion. and a
01:45:13 commandment I give unto them, that he
01:45:16 that observeth not his prayers before
01:45:18 Yahwa in the season thereof,
01:45:22 let him be had in remembrance before the
01:45:24 judge of my people. That sounds like a
01:45:29 direct reference to the three times
01:45:31 daily, maybe.
01:45:35 >> Sounds like it to me. Um, these sayings
01:45:39 are true and faithful. Wherefore
01:45:43 transgress them not, neither take there
01:45:46 from. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega, and
01:45:49 I come quickly. Amen.
01:45:53 >> And when he says quickly, this is
01:45:56 biblical soon.
01:45:58 >> Well, and right now it’s literal soon.
01:46:01 >> It Well, yes, you’re not wrong. Now it
01:46:03 is. But when he said this, at the time
01:46:06 he said it,
01:46:08 >> it was a biblical soon. Yeah,
01:46:10 >> it was a biblical soon. However, you are
01:46:12 absolutely right. Uh but brothers and
01:46:15 sisters, this brings us to the end of
01:46:17 two wonderful sections of the Doctrine
01:46:20 and Covenants.
01:46:22 Doctrine and Covenants teaches Torah
01:46:25 100%. There is no denying it. It does
01:46:28 not contradict anything that is in the
01:46:31 Old Testament. It does not contradict
01:46:33 the words of Yeshua. And Yeshua did not
01:46:35 contradict the words of the Old
01:46:37 Testament either. Instead, he expounded
01:46:39 them and oh wait, restored
01:46:44 what was taken out by evil, wicked, and
01:46:48 conniving men.
01:46:50 >> Res restored is going back to how it was
01:46:53 before, right?
01:46:54 >> Correct. Absolutely correct. So brothers
01:46:58 and sisters,
01:46:58 >> well I I do want to say a thing before
01:47:00 in it’s
01:47:03 does go against the false traditions and
01:47:05 ideas people apply to scriptures but
01:47:08 doesn’t go against what it actually
01:47:10 states.
01:47:11 >> Yes, correct. that there there is a lot
01:47:14 of differences on that at times and
01:47:16 Yeshua even called out the Pharisees
01:47:19 false understanding false traditions and
01:47:22 even said that their ways of thinking
01:47:26 and enforcing and doing actually made
01:47:29 Torah null and void meaning it went
01:47:31 against it
01:47:32 >> and it was the prevalent understanding
01:47:35 of the day
01:47:37 >> anyway okay thank you John
01:47:39 >> no you’re good so I and I Just
01:47:44 read the words that are on the page. Do
01:47:48 not read your ideology into what is
01:47:52 there.
01:47:53 >> Can I read it?
01:47:54 >> What’s on the page?
01:47:56 >> Can I read the empty space?
01:47:58 >> No.
01:47:59 >> While I do realize that’s easier said
01:48:01 than done, when you have a habitual way
01:48:04 of looking at the scriptures,
01:48:06 >> my doctor,
01:48:07 >> ask Yah to open your eyes. use
01:48:11 >> that you can see.
01:48:13 >> Yeah, I I I agree with Ben. It in
01:48:17 when you start down this path of seeing
01:48:20 what’s actually there, it can be hard
01:48:22 because you think you know what it means
01:48:24 and you actually don’t.
01:48:26 >> Yeah.
01:48:29 >> And and if you think I have it wrong,
01:48:33 come show me with the word of Yahw and
01:48:36 good and
01:48:38 >> good reasoning. Okay. Yeah.
01:48:40 >> to expound it to me. But if you’re going
01:48:43 to say, “Well, I had my own personal
01:48:44 revelation.
01:48:48 >> If you’re going to if you’re going to
01:48:49 tell me to just trust you, I’m not.”
01:48:53 >> Yeah. I
01:48:54 >> show me.
01:48:55 >> The only the the only being in the
01:48:58 universe
01:48:59 >> to whom I give implicit tr implicit
01:49:03 trust
01:49:04 is Yahwa. And I even struggle with that.
01:49:11 Just being strictly honest about myself.
01:49:13 >> Yeah. Yeah. Um and so that is been
01:49:16 >> So I do not trust you just because you
01:49:20 say that you had a personal wisdom.
01:49:22 >> Well, and wouldn’t that be trusting the
01:49:24 arm of flesh that we’re told not to?
01:49:27 >> Right.
01:49:29 >> Well, I don’t know. I’m just thinking
01:49:30 out loud here. No, actually. Yeah. So it
01:49:34 so
01:49:36 >> show me in the word
01:49:39 and with good reasoning
01:49:42 >> that something is true and I will
01:49:45 consider it.
01:49:50 >> Yeah,
01:49:52 I do love you
01:49:54 brothers and sisters. If I didn’t love
01:49:57 you, I wouldn’t say anything. I’d stay
01:50:00 in my own little bubble
01:50:02 and I wouldn’t do
01:50:05 what Yah has told me to do. And
01:50:08 >> and that would be just to support John
01:50:10 on that. That would be a lot easier. And
01:50:13 I’ll tell you,
01:50:14 >> I did that for three moons and Yahweh
01:50:18 told me to get back to work.
01:50:20 >> Then tell, let me ask you something,
01:50:22 Stephen, because I have been sorely
01:50:24 rebuked by Yahweh.
01:50:27 What was that like?
01:50:29 Uh, well, this time was not a severe
01:50:32 rebuke, though I do think it’s because
01:50:34 of an incorrect reaction to how people
01:50:38 were treating me.
01:50:40 >> Okay.
01:50:40 >> Um, and I was kind of fed up with that.
01:50:44 And so I I it was not a severe rebuke in
01:50:48 this case. So, but I I think a lot of it
01:50:52 is because of the motivations that was
01:50:54 behind it. So,
01:50:55 >> yeah. Yeah. me.
01:50:58 Here’s the thing. So, when I was sorely
01:51:00 rebuked by Yahw, I took lightly the book
01:51:04 of Deuteronomy,
01:51:06 and let me tell you something, Margaret
01:51:07 Barker.
01:51:09 Repent.
01:51:11 >> Amen to that. She takes verses way out
01:51:16 of context. She doesn’t realize what’s
01:51:18 said in other books or even just around
01:51:21 the verse she’s claiming. In addition,
01:51:24 how Deuteronomy actually kind of means
01:51:26 second time. You can find the stuff
01:51:29 that’s in Deuteronomy in the other books
01:51:31 before.
01:51:32 >> Yes.
01:51:34 >> I do realize
01:51:34 >> Deuteronomy is in the other books.
01:51:37 >> Deuteronomy is just a summary or second
01:51:39 telling.
01:51:40 >> Yes. And here’s the thing. I know we
01:51:43 don’t usually name drop, but look,
01:51:47 >> that one’s fine to name drop. That’s
01:51:49 fine. Here’s the thing. Book of
01:51:51 Deuteronomy.
01:51:53 >> How did the Savior rebuke the devil? He
01:51:56 used the words of Deuteronomy.
01:52:02 >> That book is not false. Yeah.
01:52:04 Deuteronomy is in the Book of Mormon. So
01:52:06 if you believe in the Book of Mormon,
01:52:08 >> Yeah.
01:52:09 >> you cannot you cannot believe the
01:52:12 Deuteronomous folks, which is
01:52:14 >> No, you really can’t.
01:52:15 >> Bad scholarship.
01:52:17 >> It It’s in the Book of Mormon.
01:52:19 >> Yeah. No, I
01:52:22 I
01:52:23 >> Yeah, that whole uh whole Yeshua quoting
01:52:26 uh Deuteronomy to to defeat Satan in the
01:52:28 wilderness. That’s pretty good for a bad
01:52:30 book.
01:52:32 >> I know.
01:52:33 >> Especially just ideas of men that we’re
01:52:36 not supposed to lean upon.
01:52:38 >> Yeah.
01:52:40 >> So, my point my point is, brothers and
01:52:43 sisters, do not make flesh your arm.
01:52:46 What are the lessons of these two
01:52:48 sections? Do not make flesh your arm.
01:52:52 Trust in Yahwa.
01:52:54 Trust that he said means what he says
01:52:57 and says what he means.
01:53:00 Live his Torah. Come unto him. Take his
01:53:05 covering upon you
01:53:09 and let the law be written on your heart
01:53:14 that ye may be found worthy at the last
01:53:17 day to be smiled upon and welcomed as
01:53:23 one of his.
01:53:26 >> Amen.
01:53:27 >> And I bear this witness to you
01:53:31 in the name of Yeshua Hamashiach. Amen.
01:53:34 >> Amen.
01:53:35 >> Amen.