Scripture Study 2022-11-09

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Talk about unrighteous dominion some. The words of Yeshua, the law, are the Holy Spirit. Torah is still valid today, the Law of Moses is not. Going over the law of witnesses from Torah in Matthew 18. When we judge the way heaven does, the punishments heaven declares will happen on earth. Bones have to deal with laws. Anciently believers knew the two sticks are two records. Some Israelites had the Melchizedek as shown by the miracles that they performed. JST confirms Torah after the death and resurrection in the NT. David stopped practicing polygamy. Daniel’s prophecy imagery of a stone cut out without hands is imagery from scrafices from Torah. Joseph Smith and scriptures teach animal sacrifices are coming back. Nephi slaying Laban is according to Torah. Scriptures have patterns. Law of Moses is the daily performances and ordiances the Levites did, and was a done way with after Yeshua’s death. The carnal commandments from JST Exodus 34:1-2 and D&C (LDS 84:27) is the law of Moses. Expounding scriptures showing reincarnation is not of YHWH, including showing eternal round means from the scriptures. Talk about what is faith. Demons made their choice and are damned. Book of Mormon teaches against baptism for the dead. In Hebrew thought when you sin you die. Worship YHWH not us. Lectures on Faith is the Doctrine of the D&C.

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00:00:00 record on computer
00:00:01 recording on progress okay so here’s a
00:00:06 interesting passage about taking surveys
00:00:09 so this one is after Alma doing
00:00:13 missionary work and the wicked people
00:00:15 didn’t like the results but people were
00:00:17 believing it and so they had to go take
00:00:19 out surveys to find out what to do next
00:00:23 because they needed to know what the
00:00:24 people were thinking before they could
00:00:26 make a decision instead of just
00:00:28 either having God tell them or they just
00:00:30 knew it was right because they followed
00:00:33 the law Torah so they just knew what to
00:00:34 do was right but Alma instead of going
00:00:36 doing surveys you know what he did he
00:00:38 just went on with his life and did
00:00:39 missionary work like he was already
00:00:41 doing he didn’t change but okay so
00:00:46 um because of a post I’m working on
00:00:49 as kind of a side subject I never put
00:00:51 side subjects in my posts
00:00:54 actually uh let’s because some of these
00:00:57 little things right there let me show up
00:00:59 from the post uh so you’ll see
00:01:01 it it looks a little nicer there so hold
00:01:04 on
00:01:05 um
00:01:09 [Music]
00:01:12 so
00:01:14 uh some people will love the title
00:01:18 I’ve got to go to the bathroom
00:01:21 it’s called the title of this one’s uh
00:01:24 King David sent and Brigham’s lust but
00:01:27 yeah oh yeah
00:01:30 uh anyways but that’s not the part I
00:01:34 want to get into I want to get into uh
00:01:39 this one okay so DNC 121 right about
00:01:43 priesthood and serving and
00:01:47 covering up their sins
00:01:50 so uh this is just I just kind of it’s
00:01:55 uh 36 through 46. it’s a it’s a big
00:01:59 chiism
00:02:01 um and some of the points in it are
00:02:02 pretty interesting but I mean just the
00:02:05 highlights
00:02:07 uh a it’s about priesthood
00:02:12 um
00:02:12 and we can go read it
00:02:14 I don’t you want to read it Matt or here
00:02:17 here hold on I gotta get closer to it
00:02:27 right of the priesthood are in
00:02:30 separately inseparably connected with
00:02:33 the powers of Heaven and the powers of
00:02:35 Heaven cannot be controlled nor handled
00:02:37 only upon the principles of
00:02:39 righteousness that they may be conferred
00:02:42 upon us it is true
00:02:44 but when we undertake to cover our sins
00:02:47 or to gratify our pride our vain
00:02:51 ambition or to exercise control or
00:02:53 Dominion or compulsion upon the souls of
00:02:56 the children of men and any degree of
00:02:58 unrighteousness behold the heavens
00:03:01 withdraw themselves the spirit of the
00:03:03 Lord is grieved and when it is withdrawn
00:03:06 Amen to the priesthood or authority of
00:03:09 that man
00:03:10 behold air he is aware he is left unto
00:03:13 himself to kick against the Pricks to
00:03:15 persecute the Saints and to fight
00:03:17 against God
00:03:18 so I mean just the the things I’m
00:03:22 hearing going on uh
00:03:25 uh that pretty much goes along with what
00:03:27 I’m hearing right because if I I would
00:03:30 say they’re persecuting some saints uh
00:03:33 oh yeah they’re
00:03:36 they’re kicking against the Pricks just
00:03:38 like Paul did
00:03:39 with his uh oral tradition or a law
00:03:42 instead of doing actual written law
00:03:44 right in fact here let’s just Sidetrack
00:03:48 a little bit because this is a big deal
00:03:50 to me
00:03:51 um
00:03:53 oops
00:03:56 yeah I like sometimes I don’t know what
00:03:59 I’m pushing like this is unrighteous
00:04:01 Dominion yeah yeah
00:04:05 exactly they said they they said they
00:04:08 wanted to be rid of it but they took it
00:04:10 with them
00:04:11 yeah
00:04:13 um well the thing is
00:04:18 they’re not saying that Phil deceived
00:04:21 them
00:04:22 because that means they would have been
00:04:23 deceived and they don’t want to admit
00:04:25 that what they’re saying is Phil is
00:04:27 Fallen but the things that Phil taught
00:04:30 and they’ve accepted
00:04:32 causes
00:04:34 these problems that they don’t want so
00:04:38 until they repent of these problems
00:04:42 these false doctrines it’s just going to
00:04:45 go happen over and over again until they
00:04:49 split up into little fractions of one
00:04:52 because then there’s nobody argue with
00:04:54 and have these problems with but anyways
00:04:58 yes and all of these problems
00:05:01 and they always get very upset when I
00:05:03 remind them that all these problems
00:05:05 could be easily solved by referring to
00:05:07 the law oh yeah on on that um take a
00:05:11 video on Dustin
00:05:14 I I gave some Torah verses that would
00:05:19 help them resolve this problem but I I
00:05:21 doubt they’re going to do anything with
00:05:22 them but I put them there but
00:05:25 um
00:05:26 they think you’re teaching the Mosaic
00:05:28 law
00:05:29 and uh and that’s what they said in the
00:05:32 telegram group
00:05:33 that you’re teaching
00:05:36 um
00:05:37 and that you don’t count on Jesus Christ
00:05:41 um atonement because you’re teaching
00:05:44 that law and I was like
00:05:47 a law of Moses are different
00:05:50 um I I teach to depend on Yeshua yeah
00:05:55 when you depend on Yeshua you then
00:06:00 you want to become like him and the law
00:06:03 teaches you how to be like this you have
00:06:05 to place yourself under his authority
00:06:07 right you do not Place yourself under
00:06:09 the authority of Yeshua and therefore
00:06:11 you cannot depend upon him
00:06:13 if you do not keep the law in fact here
00:06:17 let’s
00:06:21 so let’s go look at another one of my
00:06:22 posts
00:06:25 and foreign
00:06:28 these guys have no idea what they’re
00:06:31 talking about sorry yeah that’s that’s
00:06:33 so that’s one of the things that uh
00:06:35 that’s one of the things that um
00:06:38 Matt and I were talking about over
00:06:39 dinner
00:06:41 so slices uh all things you should do
00:06:45 chiasm okay
00:06:47 uh and it’s
00:06:50 based off of
00:06:52 primarily this C right here which is the
00:06:57 second C receive the Holy Ghost it will
00:06:59 show you all things you can do
00:07:01 compared to this C wherefore I say on to
00:07:05 you Feast upon the words of the Messiah
00:07:09 for behold
00:07:11 the word of Christ will tell you all
00:07:13 things you should do so what is it is it
00:07:16 God’s word elohim’s word or is it the
00:07:19 Holy Ghost which is actually Torah
00:07:22 oh wait they’re the same thing because
00:07:24 God’s words is the law
00:07:28 it’s just the Hebrew way of saying that
00:07:30 is Torah sorry isn’t another name for
00:07:34 Jesus Christ the word
00:07:36 uh yes it is that’s a very good point
00:07:39 there and who uh and who gave to uh and
00:07:43 who gave Torah the um
00:07:46 Yeshua
00:07:47 yeah is pre-incarnate
00:07:50 theme Yahweh Yeshua same person
00:07:55 um but anyways the one I want to get to
00:07:58 is where it shows us how we get
00:08:00 sanctified
00:08:02 um
00:08:05 are we gonna
00:08:06 there’s the one there’s the one
00:08:09 indoctrine Covenants
00:08:15 that’s not the one
00:08:17 yeah I’m thinking that did I not say
00:08:19 Doctrine covenants yeah no you’re right
00:08:21 Doctrine covenants 88. yeah
00:08:29 there we go
00:08:30 so I I mean it’s in the Book of Mormon
00:08:33 too we can look at that in a minute but
00:08:35 it’s in the DNC which is I I don’t know
00:08:39 how you can argue away that one I mean
00:08:41 because you can’t smoke a Mormon because
00:08:43 it was before the resurrection but even
00:08:45 though we’re supposed to buy what’s in
00:08:46 there but here DMC 88 is definitely
00:08:49 after right that’s through Joseph Smith
00:08:52 for now
00:08:54 and I know this is like one of your
00:08:55 favorite ones Ben so you read it and
00:08:57 again verily I say unto you that which
00:08:59 is governed by law or pour up it’s also
00:09:03 preserved justified by law Torah and
00:09:06 perfected and Sanctified by the same
00:09:09 Laura Torah which is and that which
00:09:12 breaketh the law Torah and abideth not
00:09:14 by law Torah but seeketh to become a law
00:09:16 into itself and willeth to abide in sin
00:09:20 and altogether abideth and sin
00:09:22 cannot be Sanctified by law for a
00:09:25 neither by Mercy Justice or nor judgment
00:09:29 therefore they must remain filthy still
00:09:32 so
00:09:34 they’re becoming laws unto themselves
00:09:37 they’re going by their own wisdom
00:09:40 their law
00:09:42 instead of God’s law their twists and
00:09:45 they twist the scriptures
00:09:48 they rest them to their own damnation
00:09:51 this they do I mean right there plain
00:09:55 and simple DNC 88.
00:09:59 um
00:10:01 they’re because they all say they have
00:10:05 the spirit right but yet when they come
00:10:07 together they can’t agree on what these
00:10:10 laws should be the same part of the
00:10:12 reason they’re breaking up exactly they
00:10:15 can’t understand anything
00:10:17 it’s always an argument and that’s why I
00:10:19 had to leave the group at first because
00:10:21 I was like this is not it’s just making
00:10:24 me upset it’s not teaching me anything
00:10:27 and they just keep these little going
00:10:30 around in circles with these little
00:10:31 silly arguments that they don’t let go
00:10:33 of and it’s
00:10:39 off of their own wisdom
00:10:41 yeah they’re eating of the tree of
00:10:44 knowledge of Good and Evil they’re
00:10:46 becoming very acquainted with good and
00:10:49 evil because they’re trying to Define it
00:10:50 themselves and they’re living it rather
00:10:53 than trusting Yeshua and how to resolve
00:10:56 the issue
00:10:58 they’re going off to their own wisdom
00:10:59 isn’t there
00:11:01 I don’t know if it’s Isaiah or somewhere
00:11:04 where it talks about men
00:11:07 um when they speak in their own
00:11:10 knowledge which is like vomit and
00:11:13 they’ll drink and eat their own vomit at
00:11:15 the table or something like that isn’t
00:11:17 that what they’re doing yeah that’s I
00:11:20 believe that one’s in the New Testament
00:11:21 I don’t we could find it if you want
00:11:24 well
00:11:29 it’s in Isaiah as well okay
00:11:32 in both of them
00:11:35 dogs are turning to their own vonnets
00:11:39 yeah
00:11:40 it looks like second Peter saw a video
00:11:44 of a person that could see Beyond the
00:11:46 Veil and he said that that’s exactly
00:11:48 what happened spiritually the demons
00:11:51 will come and will vomit on the person
00:11:53 that person will vomit it up and then
00:11:55 the other person will come and eat it up
00:11:57 eat the vomit exactly what it says in
00:12:00 the scripture he said he says it happens
00:12:02 literal
00:12:04 I I have a hard time with that because
00:12:07 the the demons can’t eat food so I I
00:12:11 don’t know I’m talking about us they
00:12:13 would puke on us
00:12:15 and then we would eat it up
00:12:18 and then puke it again and then the
00:12:20 other person would come and eat that
00:12:22 puke well I I I can see that
00:12:25 symbolically but I don’t know about
00:12:26 literally because what are the demons
00:12:28 puking spirit world yeah
00:12:31 in the spirit world well no but in this
00:12:34 so we can go look at Alma 40. I uh
00:12:39 after we die
00:12:41 we don’t do anything we’re just the
00:12:45 demons are active
00:12:47 yeah the demons but the demons aren’t
00:12:49 going to the people in the spirit world
00:12:51 that their their test is done they’re
00:12:53 coming to us no I’m talking about here
00:12:56 in our in our plane oh no maybe I
00:13:00 misunderstood some things then sorry
00:13:02 yeah no no what he said is when men are
00:13:06 doing that okay let’s see a preacher all
00:13:08 right and a demon will come to him and
00:13:12 tell him what to preach and what to say
00:13:15 so he pukes on that preacher okay and
00:13:19 then his words
00:13:20 yes okay
00:13:23 and then it goes from there and then the
00:13:25 person that receives it is receiving the
00:13:28 puke from that priest yeah okay
00:13:34 I I misunderstood something in there
00:13:37 sorry I thought you meant literal not
00:13:39 I think we got at being involved in the
00:13:42 LDS Church
00:13:43 no yeah
00:13:46 uh Proverbs 26 as a thorn goeth up into
00:13:50 the hand of a drunkard so it was a
00:13:52 parable in the mouth of fools the great
00:13:55 God that formed all things both
00:13:56 rewardeth the fool and rewardeth
00:13:58 transgressors as the dog returneth to
00:14:00 his vomit so a fool returneth to his
00:14:03 folly
00:14:05 lies in his own conceit there is more
00:14:09 hope of a fool than of him
00:14:12 yeah and
00:14:15 I uh
00:14:16 right unless they let go and
00:14:22 return to the law which is repenting
00:14:26 is going to keep happening because they
00:14:29 have to people have to repent of their
00:14:31 lawlessness
00:14:33 yeah yeah because that’s what’s going on
00:14:35 it’s lawlessness
00:14:37 and they’re all trying to come up with
00:14:39 their own ways to to resolve the problem
00:14:41 their own wisdoms and they can’t agree
00:14:43 with each other
00:14:45 no they they also rely on this whole
00:14:48 idea their own imperfect understanding
00:14:50 of what Matthew chapter 18 is all about
00:14:54 okay oh yeah they kept saying that
00:14:59 I guess I’m not with this crowd much so
00:15:02 I’m not sure quite what they’re getting
00:15:04 at with that but let’s go look at it get
00:15:07 people to his house
00:15:10 right Eric talking about
00:15:14 yeah that’s where the uh it’s um okay
00:15:17 this is the uh you resolve disputes
00:15:19 among yourselves yeah how you just
00:15:22 thought resolve disputes so do they have
00:15:24 some specific verses
00:15:27 um yeah it’s um let’s
00:15:33 go down go down a little
00:15:38 let’s see
00:15:41 okay verse starting in verse 15. all
00:15:45 right
00:15:47 moreover If thy brother shall trespass
00:15:49 against thee go and tell him his fault
00:15:52 between thee and him alone if you shall
00:15:54 hear thee thou Hast gained thy brother
00:15:57 but if he will not hear thee then take
00:16:00 with thee one or two more then in the
00:16:03 mouth of two or three Witnesses every
00:16:05 word may be established and if he shall
00:16:07 neglect to hear them tell it unto the
00:16:09 church but if he neglect to hear the
00:16:11 church let him be unto thee as a heathen
00:16:14 man and a publican
00:16:17 sure uh well I I actually I agree with
00:16:21 those verses but what I’m hearing is
00:16:23 that’s not what’s actually what’s going
00:16:24 on oh it’s not what’s happening they’re
00:16:27 using it they’re twisting it to justify
00:16:29 uh how basically their treatment of
00:16:33 folks like Erica and everybody else and
00:16:38 people do disagree with them yes right
00:16:41 yeah uh sure I can see that because
00:16:43 they’re probably saying when when Erica
00:16:45 or someone else says sorry even when
00:16:49 what I’m hearing is that they don’t
00:16:50 actually have to but let’s do they don’t
00:16:54 drop it there they go into the next step
00:16:56 steps and steps yeah it should be
00:16:59 dropped right there
00:17:01 yep
00:17:02 and it’s
00:17:04 and then on top of that it’s not that
00:17:06 you have each one go individually to the
00:17:08 person they go together
00:17:11 the 16 is that they’re all going at the
00:17:13 same time not at all times we have
00:17:17 something against that person well
00:17:20 um that know the the incident Witnesses
00:17:23 because this right here is not just
00:17:25 someone that goes off and just doesn’t
00:17:27 like them or just going to go correct
00:17:29 them because they just know better these
00:17:31 are witnesses this is the law of
00:17:33 witnesses right there exactly
00:17:37 it’s not just I’m getting my friend here
00:17:39 and this friend there and that friend
00:17:41 there because they’re my buddies and
00:17:42 they’re going to
00:17:43 um help me get what I want that’s what’s
00:17:47 going on or that’s not what it’s saying
00:17:50 yeah that’s what they did
00:17:52 that’s basically what they did to Erica
00:17:55 I mean they basically got a bunch of
00:17:56 buddies together
00:17:59 banged up on it right and that’s what
00:18:02 I’m hearing what’s going on but that’s
00:18:03 not what this is saying this is the law
00:18:05 Witnesses
00:18:07 right
00:18:10 and so they have to witness it to see it
00:18:12 happen not that it happened to them but
00:18:15 they
00:18:16 like a witness and
00:18:19 you know so
00:18:21 governmental courts they have their
00:18:23 problems okay
00:18:25 but there are principles that they’ve
00:18:28 based off of Torah because this is where
00:18:30 this comes from is Torah this is Torah
00:18:33 right here in New Testament
00:18:36 [Music]
00:18:37 um
00:18:38 but
00:18:41 governmental courts have get their
00:18:45 principles from
00:18:47 Torah which then they twist but
00:18:51 um you can’t just have someone come up
00:18:52 and Witness
00:18:54 or witness of something they didn’t see
00:18:57 a witness means you can testify but I’m
00:19:00 that’s probably not the best way of
00:19:02 putting it but it’s something that
00:19:03 you’ve seen that so you can testify of
00:19:06 that’s why witness you can actually
00:19:09 speak to it right it’s not hearsay
00:19:12 because hearsay is
00:19:14 um in the court of law of government is
00:19:17 thrown out and same with church courts
00:19:20 or at least it should be if it’s
00:19:21 according to the way it should be
00:19:25 um
00:19:30 um you saw the whole conversation play
00:19:32 out on telegram right no like was I
00:19:36 wrong or was I right and thinking what
00:19:39 they did because
00:19:40 Dustin’s excuse is that what they did
00:19:44 was right that they weren’t saying
00:19:46 anything bad they were just telling the
00:19:48 truth of what happened to them their
00:19:51 experience
00:19:52 and I overreacted no uh what they were
00:19:59 actually they were just piling it on
00:20:01 they they were just being
00:20:05 they were lettering they were letting
00:20:08 out all of their bitter beer at all of
00:20:09 the arguments with Stephen that they’ve
00:20:11 lost
00:20:13 and I didn’t see it but from what I
00:20:16 heard from Erica I would tend to agree
00:20:18 with that but I I’m hearsay so I I don’t
00:20:21 count this yeah
00:20:24 that’s what but that’s that’s exactly
00:20:26 what happened is they
00:20:30 the people who’s negatively were people
00:20:32 who have been in arguments with you and
00:20:35 have not been able to uh actually
00:20:38 get over being defeated yeah they’re
00:20:41 just proud
00:20:43 sure
00:20:45 um and their pride was injured
00:20:48 and that was not my intent if anybody’s
00:20:51 listening no we’re not blaming you at
00:20:54 all like I know I’m just saying this is
00:20:57 for the recording this is for yeah we’re
00:20:59 recording it’s
00:21:00 um it is just we have a situation we’re
00:21:04 talking about the scriptures because of
00:21:06 it and so but I’m just saying for those
00:21:08 who are listening
00:21:09 I meant no Mal intent in fact before we
00:21:13 started recording I I’m I think it was
00:21:15 before we started reporting sometimes I
00:21:17 have hard time remember some things but
00:21:20 um on on Jacob’s video about Dustin
00:21:24 I said some
00:21:26 I was nice to Dustin and I actually put
00:21:28 some things on there
00:21:30 to try to help out the situation now
00:21:33 some things I said went against Dustin
00:21:36 using scriptures but some things I put
00:21:39 in there to try to help Dustin resolve
00:21:41 the problem
00:21:42 I went Point by Point instead of putting
00:21:44 it kilometer together like clicks do or
00:21:47 Colts do
00:21:48 um I just went Point by point
00:21:51 and some things were positive for Dustin
00:21:53 and some things were negative
00:21:56 um and I was just going straight off the
00:21:59 scriptures and what the scriptures teach
00:22:01 and the ones that I shared were pretty
00:22:04 um
00:22:05 clear and plain hard to misunderstand
00:22:11 um
00:22:12 and I I have no Mal intent but
00:22:17 um
00:22:18 what I don’t want is the continual
00:22:20 attacks that I have received and that’s
00:22:22 why I block
00:22:24 and it’s not after the first attempt of
00:22:27 them doing it I just
00:22:30 Erica went through it just now
00:22:32 she did it for her sanity just like I
00:22:34 have
00:22:36 yeah you have to because they are
00:22:39 Relentless unless like you concede and
00:22:42 say okay well I’m sorry I’ll never do it
00:22:44 again and oh please you know let me stay
00:22:46 in your group that’s what they want and
00:22:48 I’m not the one to do that they picked
00:22:50 the wrong little girl to pick on because
00:22:53 I will keep going as long as they will
00:22:55 too and you know when
00:22:58 Erica just wow my own sanity I can’t
00:23:02 I’ll I’ll start breaking on hives
00:23:07 yes
00:23:10 hopefully you gotta let it go into
00:23:13 bashing and so I hopefully they don’t
00:23:16 see it as that but it’s it’s fresh and
00:23:19 we’re looking at the scriptures and
00:23:20 seeing and analyzing what the scripture
00:23:23 is saying and how
00:23:24 we should have they’re using it versus
00:23:27 what should be going on because like 16.
00:23:30 first of all it’s not sending different
00:23:33 people to you it’s they go together and
00:23:36 then on top of that it’s witness of what
00:23:40 happened and from what I hear they were
00:23:43 Witnesses because they didn’t see the
00:23:45 whole conversation they only
00:23:48 had what the other person said so they
00:23:51 weren’t Witnesses they were doing off of
00:23:52 hearsay
00:23:54 exactly I’m going off of what you told
00:23:56 me okay so I I
00:23:58 oh what was going on
00:24:00 and I I I offered to to forward to him
00:24:04 everything that was said and he was like
00:24:06 oh no no no problem you don’t you don’t
00:24:08 have to
00:24:09 so I’m like well how are you gonna
00:24:11 discern who’s telling you know what if
00:24:15 you don’t even want to know what I said
00:24:18 so and so they’re completely doing 16
00:24:21 wrong and even this last part of 16
00:24:25 confirms what I’m saying this is the law
00:24:27 of witnesses that in the mouth of two or
00:24:29 three Witnesses
00:24:31 every word may be established this point
00:24:34 is actually important in relation to the
00:24:37 first point because these Witnesses are
00:24:39 supposed to be Witnesses of the
00:24:41 interaction between the two yes of the
00:24:44 incident that’s the problem yeah
00:24:47 yeah
00:24:47 uh and from what I gather hearsay
00:24:52 um that’s not what’s happened
00:24:55 right
00:24:56 not at all yep and so so they’re
00:25:00 claiming this but they’re not doing it
00:25:02 right yeah I mean and and I’m not even
00:25:05 going into Hebrew idioms or any of these
00:25:07 deeper readings here I I’m just looking
00:25:09 at the plain text here right
00:25:11 right
00:25:13 and of course uh then tell it
00:25:16 and if he shall neglect to hear them
00:25:18 tell it to the church
00:25:20 they’re pretty well what church do they
00:25:23 have What official leadership I have
00:25:24 because I hear conflicting reports on
00:25:27 that and if there really is a church a
00:25:30 real structure there shouldn’t be
00:25:32 this behind the scenes uh hidden kind of
00:25:36 is kind of isn’t it is is either it is
00:25:39 or it isn’t there’s none of this hidden
00:25:42 garbage that Satan does it’s out in the
00:25:44 public like God does
00:25:46 so they can’t even do 17. right
00:25:50 they don’t have a church or a real
00:25:52 formal structure I mean I I don’t care
00:25:55 about if it’s a legal church or not it’s
00:25:57 still a church if they start put adding
00:25:59 structure to it right and like anyways
00:26:04 and so they can’t even do 17 but they’re
00:26:06 claiming it
00:26:08 but even when they do 17 you then to go
00:26:12 have a public court
00:26:14 where everybody can see it at the gate I
00:26:17 mean
00:26:18 in today’s world
00:26:20 um especially the Gentiles they probably
00:26:22 wouldn’t do it at a specific gate
00:26:25 but
00:26:27 um well there needs to be public for all
00:26:29 to see it sorry go ahead Ben today’s
00:26:32 world that trial is more likely to be uh
00:26:35 almost it’s almost that public trial is
00:26:37 more likely to be online
00:26:40 and that’s fine that’d be public
00:26:42 um as long as the
00:26:45 everybody who is interested isn’t um
00:26:48 invited to it and not done behind the
00:26:51 scenes like I’ve heard uh some of these
00:26:54 people are doing uh yeah here and
00:26:57 without including the correct people
00:26:59 that’s wrong that’s against Torah
00:27:04 ah
00:27:06 um so
00:27:07 but anyways
00:27:10 uh on an 18 uh that gets into ceiling
00:27:14 power so they probably aren’t bringing
00:27:16 that up
00:27:17 um and that gets
00:27:20 that gets misinterpreted a lot
00:27:24 it’s it’s not saying
00:27:27 I’m your leader and what I say happens
00:27:29 in heaven it’s what this is basically
00:27:32 saying especially when you go look at
00:27:33 the Greek an example from The Book of
00:27:35 Mormon which I have a post on if anybody
00:27:38 wants
00:27:40 um it’s it’s basically saying if you do
00:27:44 it the way that God wants it done
00:27:49 then it’s binding on Earth
00:27:54 um so
00:27:56 in fact if anybody wants here’s the post
00:27:59 on that and it gets into the the Greek
00:28:01 and that um
00:28:03 verse
00:28:07 and
00:28:11 oh share because I don’t think I was
00:28:14 sharing that one
00:28:17 uh the Greeks again I get into the Greek
00:28:20 at the bottom
00:28:22 uh but I get into Helaman as the example
00:28:27 um and there’s Matthew
00:28:28 and I’m quoting an unbiased source
00:28:33 one 119 Ministries
00:28:35 um
00:28:36 uh anyways and and some dictionary
00:28:41 um quoting I those dang dictionaries
00:28:46 anyways
00:28:47 um so
00:28:49 18 gets misinterpreted a lot but it
00:28:52 sounds like they’re just focusing on
00:28:53 those first three not going beyond that
00:28:55 right no they’re not really
00:28:58 so
00:29:00 those are good verses
00:29:02 but they’re not doing it from what I
00:29:05 hear I mean I’m going with the hearsay
00:29:07 so I don’t really know but I don’t
00:29:09 really have authority to do it
00:29:12 uh well
00:29:15 because they’re not under the law
00:29:18 sure sure yeah I I mean I disagree with
00:29:21 that but that’s what they claim and
00:29:25 um this is teaching Torah and if they
00:29:27 think it was the law changed when Christ
00:29:30 died and resurrected this is before that
00:29:32 death and Resurrection so what in the
00:29:34 hell are they using it
00:29:36 right and put it bluntly why are you
00:29:38 using it
00:29:41 oh so sometimes it’s good and sometimes
00:29:43 it’s not in other words when it suits us
00:29:47 it’s when it fits what they want so
00:29:51 they’re they’re using the scriptures as
00:29:53 a salad bar the pick and choose what
00:29:55 they want rather than eating the whole
00:29:56 thing it’s a feast the scriptures are a
00:30:00 feast not a salad bar there’s a big
00:30:02 difference
00:30:03 that’s a good quote
00:30:07 that’s good
00:30:11 um I was just going off the analogy but
00:30:14 um but seriously if the law changed when
00:30:17 Christ died and Resurrected
00:30:19 this is before that why are you using it
00:30:22 which FYI
00:30:24 it’s teaching Torah
00:30:26 yeah you just don’t know it because you
00:30:28 don’t study it
00:30:29 you don’t know if you don’t know Tori
00:30:31 you wouldn’t know that right and they
00:30:34 don’t know it
00:30:36 I think also they hear the word Torah
00:30:39 and their brain discombobulates and they
00:30:44 think of something else that has nothing
00:30:46 to do with what it is it’s basically
00:30:48 what we were taught in the LDS church
00:30:50 you know like oh it’s a it’s a Jewish
00:30:54 thing it has nothing to do with us
00:30:55 whatever you know and it’s like no the
00:30:59 law came from them and it says in the
00:31:01 Book of Mormon that it came from the
00:31:03 Jewish people you know and Doctrine and
00:31:05 Covenants it says it came from them so
00:31:07 like
00:31:08 yeah I think I would disagree a little
00:31:10 bit it came from God Elohim yeah really
00:31:14 exactly the Jewish people because even
00:31:17 uh so Adam had it
00:31:19 okay and I can show that from The Book
00:31:21 of Mormon but let’s say where most
00:31:24 people think it starts okay Mount Sinai
00:31:27 that was a mixed multitude that was not
00:31:29 just the hebrewers and also when you
00:31:33 actually read the first five books of
00:31:34 Moses although it’s not completely
00:31:37 uh listed
00:31:40 mm-hmm but if you know the law you’ll
00:31:43 see when you read Abraham Isaac and
00:31:45 Jacob they knew it
00:31:47 they were keeping it yeah yeah it’s just
00:31:51 it doesn’t just come out and say that
00:31:53 but when you know it you can see it in
00:31:55 fact Sodom Gomorrah
00:31:58 um law was doing Passover
00:32:01 when that happened
00:32:03 which also is a pattern with Moses and
00:32:08 the second coming is going to be the
00:32:10 same too
00:32:13 foreign
00:32:16 happened and and the death of the wicked
00:32:20 happened on Passover
00:32:24 well Passover is Passover is a day of
00:32:26 Deliverance and judgment
00:32:29 yeah it was from the beginning it was
00:32:31 from its first institution among the
00:32:34 people of the children of Israel
00:32:37 and uh always has been yeah I I I mean
00:32:41 if the law is done why is uh Yeshua
00:32:45 going to be stoning the wicked when he
00:32:48 comes back because that’s that’s from
00:32:49 the Torah
00:32:53 that would be against the law if that
00:32:55 was gone
00:32:57 right now Joshua sinner
00:32:59 no he’s not okay
00:33:05 he is the law yeah
00:33:08 yeah he’s the
00:33:11 perfect
00:33:13 personification of the law he lived it
00:33:16 perfectly his whole life yeah and the
00:33:19 and the whole thing is
00:33:21 in fact here just
00:33:24 I want to do one Insight thing
00:33:27 Bones have to do with laws that is why
00:33:31 he could not have a bone broken because
00:33:34 he
00:33:35 the bones deal with laws he broke no law
00:33:37 and that’s why his you know bone could
00:33:39 be broken
00:33:41 how does Bones have to do with law
00:33:44 okay so you want to get into it
00:33:48 or we can get into some other things
00:33:50 [Music]
00:33:54 about the bones I’m interested too
00:33:57 yeah let’s go on Larry that again Erica
00:33:59 and I’m interested to know what the
00:34:01 bones mean also because that’s new to me
00:34:05 um so there’s a couple places that
00:34:08 really
00:34:09 um came to me that taught me this and I
00:34:11 see it in the Book of Mormon that
00:34:12 Ezekiel 37 is a very important prophecy
00:34:16 right
00:34:18 um
00:34:19 but that’s when part of it is the dry
00:34:23 bones
00:34:25 yeah when the dry bones came
00:34:28 and then they became
00:34:30 and then God blessed them
00:34:32 and then they became sinews and then God
00:34:35 breathed into them and then they were
00:34:38 normal bodies again right
00:34:40 but the reason why they were dry bones
00:34:42 and dead is because they were
00:34:45 Wicked and broke the law consistently
00:34:49 okay and Ezekiel 37 with those who you
00:34:54 know believe in the restoration and even
00:34:56 some old commentaries on uh Old
00:35:00 Testament because there’s commentaries
00:35:02 on the Old Testament of is equals 37 it
00:35:05 actually States
00:35:06 like uh I I don’t know exactly how old
00:35:10 but two thousand plus years ago that it
00:35:12 actually was
00:35:13 two books it’s not just something that
00:35:16 the Mormons say it actually it’s an
00:35:18 ancient concept of Ezekiel 37 the two
00:35:22 sticks being two records it’s not new
00:35:25 it’s very very old it’s just people have
00:35:28 forgotten about it but
00:35:30 um what brings in the same
00:35:32 um
00:35:33 prophecy what is given to them
00:35:37 to get rid of their dry bones
00:35:42 of Records
00:35:44 and the records come together
00:35:48 and those records make it so they can
00:35:50 really understand the law
00:35:52 also
00:35:55 um
00:35:57 in the Book of Mormon
00:35:59 the jaredites
00:36:01 when
00:36:03 uh it was the limb Heights
00:36:05 went looking for zarahemla they found
00:36:11 um
00:36:13 the land of desolations of all the dry
00:36:16 bones right and the 24
00:36:20 Gold Records
00:36:22 um
00:36:23 so
00:36:24 the jaredites
00:36:27 they were destroyed how
00:36:32 ever because of wickedness breaking the
00:36:36 law
00:36:39 and
00:36:40 what
00:36:43 did they have with him that was sealed
00:36:45 that they couldn’t look at
00:36:47 God’s scriptures
00:36:49 so there’s a a couple meanings with the
00:36:52 sealed and in this case with the uh 24
00:36:58 plates uh I it’s literal that they were
00:37:02 sealed but there’s a spiritual meaning
00:37:05 meaning that they don’t understand it
00:37:07 when they read it uh
00:37:10 because they’ll see the words but it
00:37:14 it’s not what is intended to be
00:37:19 understood from it it’s sealed it’s
00:37:21 hidden from them what the meaning
00:37:24 actually is
00:37:26 and that what keeps them in their sins
00:37:28 because they don’t
00:37:29 see
00:37:31 what it’s actually saying it’s also
00:37:33 interesting to me that 24 has to do with
00:37:36 government
00:37:38 in Hebrew numerology
00:37:42 judgment and government
00:37:45 and so to me it’s interesting that these
00:37:48 24
00:37:49 um blades have God’s words on it that
00:37:53 deal with judgment and government
00:37:56 and and God’s government uh it only gets
00:38:00 into play when they have to do judgment
00:38:02 when Matthew 18 gets up to the third
00:38:06 step which could be church or government
00:38:08 depending in the situation right because
00:38:10 when it’s because there’s the two sides
00:38:13 there’s the governmental side and the
00:38:16 church side because people who lived in
00:38:18 Israel not everybody were Believers so
00:38:20 they wouldn’t go to the church for those
00:38:22 who weren’t Believers they’d go to the
00:38:25 to the governmental side like the king
00:38:28 or the judges
00:38:31 just governmental judges versus Church
00:38:35 um judges because there’s both
00:38:38 you know what I just thought of
00:38:39 something
00:38:40 um Erica had the two guys come to call
00:38:44 her to repentance well I had two men
00:38:47 come to call me to me repins but it was
00:38:49 a little bit different it was when that
00:38:51 the branch president and some young man
00:38:55 he brought with him but it didn’t occur
00:38:57 to me oh these are like the two
00:38:58 witnesses of me being an apostate and
00:39:02 calling me to repentance well did they
00:39:06 actually know that you were apostate or
00:39:09 they’re going off other people’s words
00:39:10 they were going after okay he told me I
00:39:14 don’t ever look at Facebook
00:39:15 but um evidently you’ve been posting
00:39:18 some things against the Mormon people
00:39:20 and I said not that’s not true
00:39:23 I do not have post anything against the
00:39:26 Mormon people it’s the leadership
00:39:29 yeah it is and and and
00:39:35 is exposing how they’re breaking the
00:39:39 Commandments right it’s not that
00:39:44 um you’re just making fun of them or
00:39:46 trying to make them look bad they’re the
00:39:47 ones that have done that they’re the
00:39:49 ones that made them look themselves bad
00:39:50 by breaking the Commandments
00:39:53 and Torah actually in this case also
00:39:55 with because the big one lately has been
00:39:57 tithing which is I know one one a couple
00:40:01 posts I’ve defended you on that but
00:40:04 they’re breaking tithing and so many
00:40:07 points
00:40:09 from the law Torah it just is astounding
00:40:15 to me that I didn’t always know that I
00:40:17 mean it’s fairly new
00:40:20 it’s just been since the pandemic that I
00:40:24 came to all these things came to light
00:40:27 it’s when you see one thing you’re open
00:40:28 to seeing others but if you’re available
00:40:34 yeah and
00:40:36 you know even my daughter’s trying to
00:40:39 stir up trouble mom and I said I’m not
00:40:41 trying to stir up trouble I’m trying to
00:40:43 wake people up people I love and people
00:40:45 I care about it’s true up righteousness
00:40:48 Karen
00:40:49 watch out
00:40:51 you’re trying to stir up righteousness
00:40:53 but people don’t like that that is
00:40:55 stirring up trouble in the Kingdom of
00:40:56 the devil it is well
00:41:00 yeah and I love the Mormon people I love
00:41:05 everyone in the awards I’ve been to and
00:41:07 all the you know and for the most part
00:41:10 people are good natured and they try to
00:41:13 do everything to help one another we’ve
00:41:15 had tremendous community in that regard
00:41:17 it’s it’s it’s the main leadership up
00:41:20 there telling us to make all these
00:41:22 sacrifices and they don’t I you know
00:41:25 which I find interesting because uh
00:41:27 is it first Samuel or second Samuel but
00:41:31 obedience is better than sacrifice first
00:41:35 Samuel first Samuel I knew it was one of
00:41:38 them assault who has decided to
00:41:41 who who decided that he was that he had
00:41:44 the authority to offer the sacrifice
00:41:45 before they went on went to war well so
00:41:49 he might actually might have had been
00:41:51 able to but he was told to wait he was
00:41:55 yeah that’s true
00:41:57 um and so I think that’s more the issue
00:41:58 than whether if he had Authority or not
00:42:00 because I
00:42:03 so King David does some things that to
00:42:07 me indicate that
00:42:10 uh and he wasn’t a levite right
00:42:12 but he was
00:42:17 sorry you went you for a little bit yeah
00:42:19 he eats the show bread yeah yes and some
00:42:24 other things he does that if he was not
00:42:27 a Levi it was not a it would have been a
00:42:29 sin unless he had the Melchizedek
00:42:31 priesthood which I believe he had
00:42:34 oh wow in which case is fall is a lot
00:42:37 greater than anyone anticipated oh with
00:42:40 the the with Toshiba yes but
00:42:45 um
00:42:49 the Melchizedek priesthood did not
00:42:51 completely go away it just the general
00:42:54 populace didn’t have it yeah because uh
00:42:57 Joshua did miracles he commanded the
00:43:01 elements you can’t do that with
00:43:02 theoronic no you need the Melchizedek so
00:43:06 um and the many other prophets did
00:43:09 things
00:43:10 when you actually understand what’s
00:43:12 going on they have the Melchizedek all
00:43:15 throughout the Old Testament it just was
00:43:17 not the general public that had it yeah
00:43:20 the it’s the aaronic priesthood that is
00:43:23 given by the laying out of hands and the
00:43:24 Melchizedek is given by the voice of God
00:43:26 right and they got it from God’s voice
00:43:30 because they for one
00:43:34 uh the general public didn’t have it to
00:43:36 give it right but anyways By Angels like
00:43:41 some have said they got it
00:43:44 No Angels don’t give it I mean here we
00:43:48 let’s go get this up it’s by God’s own
00:43:50 voice
00:43:54 these people that are
00:43:56 plain feeding these lies they’re not
00:43:59 very well researched
00:44:01 because
00:44:06 anyways I’ll just leave it to that
00:44:08 they’re not very well researched
00:44:11 this is the scriptures they’re
00:44:13 researched in the occult and how to
00:44:15 twist the the lack of knowledge people
00:44:19 have to make it sound that way but of
00:44:23 what really how it should be they’re not
00:44:24 well-versed
00:44:26 so all the prophets
00:44:29 had the Melchizedek priesthood were
00:44:31 ordained by God himself
00:44:35 Joseph Smith
00:44:36 30 Nephi 11 and Yahweh said unto him I
00:44:41 give unto you power that you shall
00:44:43 baptize as people when I again come and
00:44:45 send into heaven
00:44:47 that that was no laying on hands that’s
00:44:50 said voice his own voice
00:44:54 um this is just a repeat of that one
00:44:56 said
00:44:57 and said
00:44:59 Alma 8 and began to teach the people and
00:45:03 the land of Malik according to the holy
00:45:05 order of God by which he had been called
00:45:09 God calls you by a voice
00:45:12 and ye began to teach the people
00:45:13 throughout all the land of music
00:45:16 uh DNC 84 and woe unto all those who
00:45:20 come not unto this priesthood which ye
00:45:23 have received which I now confirm so
00:45:26 this is Yahweh speaking right I confirm
00:45:29 our to you who are present this day by
00:45:33 my own voice out of the heavens
00:45:37 wow his voice
00:45:39 no hands
00:45:41 voice and even I have given the heavenly
00:45:45 host and my angels charge concerning it
00:45:47 so I I’m
00:45:49 all my helpers are there to help you
00:45:51 right God acknowledged that he was not
00:45:54 called ordained and chosen in the
00:45:57 beginning Adam
00:45:58 God illum called Adam by his own voice
00:46:05 um TST Genesis and I’m going to get
00:46:08 these a little shorter by The Calling of
00:46:10 his own voice
00:46:12 Joseph Smith
00:46:15 obtaining the voice of Jehovah thus
00:46:18 behold the keys of the priesthood
00:46:20 consisted in maintaining the voice of
00:46:22 Jehovah
00:46:25 Moses voice out of Heaven saying Thou
00:46:30 Art after the order of him a voice out
00:46:34 of Heaven that’s going to be Yahweh
00:46:38 sorry go ahead Ben it’s pretty clear it
00:46:42 should be pretty clear by now the
00:46:43 priesthood is
00:46:47 Victory ironic is bilingual hands but
00:46:50 that one’s a little different
00:46:53 um
00:46:53 and you’ll see examples of both in the
00:46:56 Book of Mormon but all these guys are
00:46:58 talking about the angel Gabriel laying
00:47:00 their hands on them or is it Gabriel but
00:47:03 most of these guys claim I think
00:47:05 [Music]
00:47:06 that it was Ariel or or Ariel or
00:47:10 something like that oh I’ve never heard
00:47:11 that one I’m yeah that’s from the occult
00:47:14 though that’s out of the Book of Enoch
00:47:17 oh yeah that’s a cult
00:47:19 the GST simply
00:47:22 uh
00:47:24 if you took the GST seriously which I do
00:47:27 you should
00:47:28 throw the Book of Enoch out
00:47:31 if you take the jst seriously
00:47:34 then you have no excuse
00:47:37 yeah well when it comes to the law
00:47:40 because the jst points you back the
00:47:43 Joseph Smith translation clearly points
00:47:46 you back to the law back to repentance
00:47:48 back to the basic principles of the god
00:47:50 I will add in the New Testament after
00:47:52 the resurrection
00:47:54 yes and Resurrection but yeah
00:47:57 how do you get the jst version I mean
00:48:00 because don’t we just have the like so
00:48:04 there’s a couple ways the cheapest way
00:48:05 is a Kindle book for like a couple bucks
00:48:07 on Amazon
00:48:09 um and there’s tons of different ones
00:48:12 here I’ll show you my Kindle one so you
00:48:15 can just see it
00:48:17 um
00:48:17 the Kindle I paid a couple bucks for I
00:48:21 I’ve paid more for some physical ones
00:48:23 but don’t worry about that what you just
00:48:25 need is the text right yep
00:48:28 let’s see this Kindle one right here I
00:48:30 think I paid one or two bucks for it
00:48:34 and if you know if you want if you want
00:48:37 to get one hard copy they are available
00:48:39 on Amazon
00:48:40 [Music]
00:48:41 um
00:48:46 gold mine yeah
00:48:49 yeah yeah
00:48:52 where it is now
00:48:54 uh GST Genesis I know
00:48:57 GST Genesis 14.
00:49:00 hmm
00:49:01 yeah
00:49:03 um but yeah you can go to Amazon if you
00:49:06 want the Kindle a couple bucks for some
00:49:08 of them some of them are more expensive
00:49:15 I always suggest to have at least I
00:49:19 always suggest to have one hard copy
00:49:21 available to you
00:49:23 um just in case just in case technology
00:49:26 goes down I agree with that on it uh I
00:49:30 like both uh because they both have pros
00:49:32 and cons
00:49:33 um I want to get more gsts in some other
00:49:36 formats than because I already have a
00:49:38 couple copies of it physical copies I
00:49:40 Want Some More Physical copies but I’m
00:49:43 just weird
00:49:45 I take it seriously yeah and the
00:49:49 different version can help you see
00:49:51 different things and they bring out
00:49:53 different points and and some of them
00:49:55 will give you background on where it
00:49:57 came from where some will just just be
00:49:58 planted there so anyways different
00:50:03 author authors or compilers probably in
00:50:06 this case would be a better word have
00:50:07 different focuses
00:50:11 yeah say that again Karen
00:50:13 didn’t Joseph do part of the he didn’t
00:50:16 do get very far so how do we
00:50:20 no well he did actually do quite a bit
00:50:23 um the reason that uh the Brigham mines
00:50:26 think that is because bring him up bring
00:50:28 him actually hated it and so he
00:50:31 in fact my uh I have a copy a physical
00:50:35 copy that was compiled by BYU that in
00:50:39 their introductions they actually meant
00:50:41 that Brigham Young hated it
00:50:43 and that’s why the elders Church doesn’t
00:50:45 really use it and in my honest opinion
00:50:49 Brigham Young hated it because it
00:50:51 exposed his lies
00:50:53 well it definitely exposes the fact that
00:50:57 the polygamy of David and Solomon in
00:51:00 fact
00:51:02 I have um on the issues of the polygamy
00:51:05 of David and Solomon and lots of other
00:51:08 things too but yes so let’s go look at
00:51:11 those ones I have them handy
00:51:12 [Laughter]
00:51:17 uh so here they are
00:51:19 uh and there’s you don’t even need the
00:51:22 GST ones but I mean the gsts give extra
00:51:25 emphasis to this to the restoration
00:51:27 right
00:51:28 but jst Samuel uh second Samuel 12 13.
00:51:34 um and this is not a big change but
00:51:37 Joseph Smith added not and not here
00:51:42 um I know that one the Lord has also
00:51:45 have not that’s actually a huge change
00:51:48 It’s a Small Change in terms of work
00:51:50 yeah
00:51:51 um so the way that I take this though I
00:51:54 I David hadn’t fully repent or didn’t
00:51:58 repent then but he did later I do
00:52:00 believe David repented later just not
00:52:02 right then because of some other things
00:52:04 that are in the Bible
00:52:07 um for for example First Kings that the
00:52:10 servant there that was a Fair Lady he
00:52:13 didn’t touch her he didn’t know her AKA
00:52:16 he didn’t have sex with her he repented
00:52:18 and there’s another one where he uh I
00:52:21 don’t remember this one let me find it I
00:52:23 have it
00:52:25 I’m sure I have it here I should I need
00:52:27 to move in another spot if not I can
00:52:29 find it
00:52:32 um
00:52:34 okay I’m not seeing it oh there it is
00:52:36 it’s right there
00:52:37 oh
00:52:38 uh second Samuel 20 30.
00:52:41 um and this is a Berean Study Bible
00:52:43 Edition but David returned to his Palace
00:52:46 in Jerusalem he took the ten concubines
00:52:48 he had left to care for the palace and
00:52:51 he placed them in a house under guard he
00:52:53 provided for them but he no longer slept
00:52:56 with them
00:52:58 he did repent just not right then
00:53:01 that’s really interesting yeah
00:53:05 in fact I’m gonna I know this one’s not
00:53:06 GST but I’m gonna put it over here with
00:53:08 this one because it relates
00:53:11 um so I like it here
00:53:12 um so you know you need the GST for it
00:53:16 and just you know you just need to read
00:53:23 um
00:53:25 he didn’t repent right when it happened
00:53:28 he did later
00:53:31 as in here and here and
00:53:34 and this one too David did right in the
00:53:36 eyes of the Lord Yahweh he turned not
00:53:38 aside from the Commandment hymn to sin
00:53:41 against Yahweh but repented of the evils
00:53:43 of his days of life saved in the matter
00:53:45 you are at the hittite
00:53:47 and so at this point he had
00:53:52 anyways
00:53:53 he he repented well because he never put
00:53:56 away that life
00:53:59 never never put away that which he
00:54:01 gained by by murder
00:54:06 oh
00:54:07 he married and had a son but yeah
00:54:11 that one’s a tricky issue and that could
00:54:13 be what’s going on in that case I hadn’t
00:54:15 put a lot of thought in that and that
00:54:16 does make some sense because he still
00:54:18 kept her wife instead of divorcing
00:54:22 because
00:54:23 uh I don’t know that one’s a tricky One
00:54:28 Umbrella of an acceptable
00:54:31 divorce
00:54:34 adultery enforcement because their
00:54:36 husband was murdered no I’m talking
00:54:39 about him divorcing her David
00:54:42 yeah that’s
00:54:45 well he shouldn’t have married her in
00:54:46 the first place he’s already married he
00:54:49 did marry her and so was is that an
00:54:52 acceptable bill of divorcement
00:54:55 um
00:54:57 I would say yes because we look at
00:55:03 Abraham
00:55:04 Abraham God never yeah Elohim never told
00:55:07 Abraham to
00:55:09 marry’s Servant that was Sarah’s idea
00:55:13 for psorias depending which one you want
00:55:15 to use and it was also Sarah sarai’s
00:55:19 idea to kick her out
00:55:22 which uh God endorsed
00:55:29 God was in no way against the who was in
00:55:32 no way against the action right in fact
00:55:35 he actually I would say he endorsed it
00:55:37 he said yes do it
00:55:40 um and there was a child involved even
00:55:42 in that case right
00:55:45 but he protected them
00:55:47 oh yes right he did but as in just going
00:55:51 off of what Matt said uh was there
00:55:54 justification for divorce and I’m just
00:55:56 thinking through this out loud with you
00:55:58 guys here right now I would say yes
00:56:02 um
00:56:03 he just didn’t do it and that’s probably
00:56:05 what happened right here with like what
00:56:06 Matt said
00:56:08 yeah
00:56:10 he took his wife and he didn’t repent of
00:56:13 that he kept her
00:56:14 so that makes sense to me
00:56:16 and therefore he remains cursed for that
00:56:19 deed yeah so thank you Ben and Matt that
00:56:23 makes a lot more sense with those
00:56:24 comments it’s all back to the lord it’s
00:56:28 all back to them
00:56:31 I just hadn’t thought about that one so
00:56:33 the but yeah you’re right that’s all
00:56:34 back to the law and we just talked about
00:56:37 an example from
00:56:38 the law Torah Genesis
00:56:42 of that
00:56:44 so um
00:56:47 speaking is speaking of the law let us
00:56:49 obey the law of the Lord and have
00:56:51 Sacrament together okay so yeah let’s
00:56:53 pause because
00:56:54 [Laughter]
00:56:57 sure I just I just feel weird about
00:57:00 recording that one yeah
00:57:06 recording in progress this is on the
00:57:09 record so
00:57:12 um with just the last video that I I
00:57:15 played
00:57:16 um back to the garden
00:57:18 I
00:57:19 there’s a lot of stuff in there and I’m
00:57:24 there’s some videos of his that I from
00:57:26 this artist I really like and some not
00:57:28 so much but anyways that one I like a
00:57:30 lot
00:57:31 but one that I’ll just bring out unless
00:57:33 you guys want to like talk more about it
00:57:35 is the lumberjack
00:57:40 as the cult loves
00:57:44 to make the Lumberjack look good
00:57:49 any guesses why
00:57:55 no idea
00:57:57 The Lumberjacks cut down trees
00:58:00 yep
00:58:03 men these are men yep we are trees
00:58:08 and that’s why they occult love
00:58:09 Lumberjacks and you’ll see in the video
00:58:12 after seeing
00:58:14 the church’s example
00:58:16 that particular Lumberjack anyways not
00:58:19 all but that particular lumberjack
00:58:21 put down his Hatchet the thing that he
00:58:24 used to cut down men
00:58:27 and went to the Waters of Baptist
00:58:31 it’s a lot like Elma
00:58:34 yes yeah
00:58:37 yeah
00:58:38 both animals actually yeah yeah true
00:58:43 um because they both went through their
00:58:46 periods
00:58:48 yeah
00:58:49 but anyways I just thought since we’re
00:58:51 watching that I maybe bring it I
00:58:54 actually I actually had a really cool
00:58:55 thought as we were going through um
00:58:59 there is an anchor or anchor uh-huh okay
00:59:03 the fact that Christ is the anchor and
00:59:06 the altar no
00:59:09 and the stone upon which we build
00:59:12 like there’s there’s
00:59:16 all of these things
00:59:20 you know it’s like all of these things
00:59:22 combining
00:59:24 into one kind of
00:59:27 cohesive
00:59:31 oh
00:59:33 foreign
00:59:35 we build into the Rock
00:59:41 we we
00:59:43 uh put our foundation on the Rock we put
00:59:46 our foundation on the Rock we build upon
00:59:49 the worms come when the storms come The
00:59:51 Anchor Holds us to The Rock
00:59:53 yeah we’re supposed to have hope in
00:59:55 Christ and hope is the anchor
01:00:00 oh it’s the same Messiah I still have
01:00:02 some of these habits some of the Greek
01:00:04 words anyways
01:00:06 yeah and then we and then of course
01:00:12 when we
01:00:15 when we
01:00:18 right at the you know it’s uh at the
01:00:20 Pinnacle
01:00:22 at the Pinnacle of the uh
01:00:24 at the Pinnacle of the
01:00:27 Tower
01:00:28 as it were
01:00:31 is the altar
01:00:33 which is built on the rock
01:00:35 which is built built without hands built
01:00:38 and cut out without cut out from the
01:00:40 mouth without hands yeah in fact one in
01:00:42 the post that hopefully to finish soon
01:00:45 you never heard me say that no never not
01:00:48 ever and ever and ever I see that but I
01:00:52 I
01:00:53 in support of keeping torn now
01:00:58 Daniel’s Vision the rock that comes down
01:01:01 with cut out without hands
01:01:05 that’s a Torah imagery
01:01:08 referring to Alters
01:01:11 sacrifices which
01:01:15 Joseph Smith said is coming back
01:01:19 right so does the Old Testament and so
01:01:22 does the Book of Mormon so does the DNC
01:01:27 when they can offer an offering in
01:01:29 righteousness yeah the Levites
01:01:32 um yeah and that is not what’s preparing
01:01:36 to happen right now
01:01:38 no no it’s not so anyways this is kind
01:01:42 of interesting just a tidbit about
01:01:44 one of my posts and how it actually
01:01:47 points to tour in the future
01:01:50 because the rock that comes to destroy
01:01:55 this Babylon Kingdom in the future
01:01:59 is using imagery that points to Torah
01:02:02 sacrifices
01:02:05 now if Thor’s done away why are they
01:02:07 using the same imagery
01:02:09 and why is it why is it that the that
01:02:13 the judgments of God are Unleashed by
01:02:15 the prayers and by the prayers and blood
01:02:17 of the Saints
01:02:19 no because that’s from Torah
01:02:22 yep that’s way back in Genesis
01:02:25 yep
01:02:27 that’s Adam so Adam had Torah
01:02:33 tour is eternal
01:02:35 law Moses is not
01:02:37 and I’ve said that plenty of times
01:02:40 people
01:02:41 get at your statements straight
01:02:46 anyways
01:02:48 um yes if you’re going to misrepresent
01:02:50 him at least do it correctly or do a
01:02:53 little more accurately anyways
01:03:01 um and so unless you guys have something
01:03:04 you want to talk about or share I I
01:03:06 could go back to some of the stuff I was
01:03:08 recently working on or some other things
01:03:10 from the past but Ben might like some of
01:03:14 the thing that I was working on today
01:03:17 um oh yeah let’s let’s take a look so
01:03:19 unless you guys have something Erica or
01:03:21 or Karen if you guys have questions or
01:03:23 something or anything else lingering you
01:03:25 want to talk about or you have questions
01:03:27 about questions
01:03:32 so does that have meaning
01:03:35 um as far as
01:03:37 judgment or anything like that sorry say
01:03:40 that one more time you broke up a little
01:03:41 bit for me I’m sorry because I’m driving
01:03:44 probably that’s why
01:03:46 um
01:03:46 does the eclipse that we just had
01:03:49 anything to do with judgment no
01:03:53 no no
01:03:54 that’s a fad that uh creatures
01:03:58 have made a lot of money off of that’s
01:04:01 nowhere in scriptures
01:04:07 so their correlation that they’re going
01:04:09 off of is that these blood moons are
01:04:12 happening on high holidays but wait a
01:04:15 minute so you look at the high holidays
01:04:17 they happen
01:04:19 um
01:04:20 the the two big ones that this happens
01:04:22 on
01:04:23 is
01:04:24 a piece of unleavened breads that’s the
01:04:26 15th of the moon right which is when a
01:04:29 Blood Moon can happen
01:04:31 Tabernacles 15th of the moon when a
01:04:34 Blood Moon can happen
01:04:37 and voila there’s your mystery
01:04:42 everything everything’s solved by the
01:04:44 fact that the moon is full on the 15th
01:04:47 of the Moon
01:04:48 yeah and that’s when the high holidays
01:04:50 are supposed to happen on the 15th of
01:04:52 the Moon
01:04:54 voila
01:04:56 and that’s fine
01:04:58 um
01:04:59 these things happen including red moons
01:05:02 because
01:05:04 do you know what causes a red moon Karen
01:05:07 foreign
01:05:20 what’s happening is the sunlight going
01:05:25 through the atmosphere of this of the
01:05:28 Earth
01:05:30 gets it’s going through a little prism
01:05:32 you know I remember as a kid I liked the
01:05:35 little triangle prisms the like you put
01:05:37 the light through and then you get a
01:05:38 rainbow
01:05:40 guess what that’s what’s happening and
01:05:42 the red light bends in and then that’s
01:05:45 what goes on to the Moon
01:05:46 it’s just the prison because the red
01:05:48 light the the red light wave is the
01:05:51 strongest light wave there is
01:05:53 yeah and that’s what’s showing up on the
01:05:56 moon
01:05:57 and so what’s happened since Adam it’s
01:06:00 nothing new yep if you yeah
01:06:05 and then we’re gonna have one in 24 and
01:06:08 where it crosses Across the Nation are
01:06:10 you saying that just really doesn’t mean
01:06:11 anything no it’s crossed in all over the
01:06:14 whole world
01:06:16 eclipses
01:06:18 uh tend to cross one another yeah go go
01:06:23 I can give you a website of these
01:06:25 eclipses and you can go look through
01:06:28 thousands of years
01:06:30 there’s thousands of crosses now the the
01:06:33 countries the the only the the only way
01:06:36 that they have of actually making that
01:06:38 significant is the profits is all the
01:06:40 prophecies that exist of the sun being
01:06:43 darkened and the Moon turning to blood
01:06:45 that’s what they used uh right but
01:06:48 there’s only one blood moon in these
01:06:50 prophecies not multiple that they’re
01:06:52 selling in their books getting rich off
01:06:54 of
01:06:57 the eclipse it is multiple times
01:07:01 uh which you could look at multiple
01:07:04 points in the scenario where the sun is
01:07:06 dark and so that is probably what a lot
01:07:10 of people are building their scriptural
01:07:12 Foundation of whether this is
01:07:14 significant or not well but it’s so the
01:07:18 blood moon is mentioned a couple times
01:07:20 but when you look at it it’s one blood
01:07:22 moon mentioned by multiple Witnesses of
01:07:26 prophets that saw it
01:07:28 because they saw the future God tells
01:07:31 and shows people the future so there
01:07:33 will be a Blood Moon but it’s not a
01:07:36 string of them yeah it’s not this
01:07:39 oh I forget the Triad or it was a three
01:07:43 or five I can’t remember exactly but
01:07:46 it’s not this Blood Moon fad that’s
01:07:48 going around these last couple years
01:07:51 it’s nothing so why does the cross of an
01:07:55 eclipse in the United States mean
01:07:56 something when it doesn’t mean anything
01:07:59 in Israel or Argentina Russia or yeah
01:08:02 Argentina where I’m at right now there’s
01:08:05 going to be there’s going to be there’s
01:08:07 going to be a next scene uh there’s a
01:08:10 there or is it going to be or there was
01:08:13 an axing uh over Argentina
01:08:16 uh there was
01:08:19 um a solar eclipse in Argentina a couple
01:08:21 years ago and I went to it
01:08:23 um
01:08:24 so on on calendar issues if we in fact
01:08:27 maybe we should talk about calendar
01:08:28 things because of Jared and Erica or or
01:08:32 maybe we can do some of both because
01:08:33 maybe I can anyway I’ll let them pick
01:08:35 after we finish this but
01:08:37 there are
01:08:40 some proponents of the lunar Sabbath
01:08:42 that claim the full moon is the new moon
01:08:46 because of the three hours of Darkness
01:08:49 during yeshua’s death
01:08:54 a solar eclipse doesn’t last three hours
01:08:57 in fact I actually went to the one in
01:08:59 Argentina a couple years ago just just
01:09:02 to see it physically because a lot of
01:09:04 people
01:09:05 book knowledge is good Street knowledge
01:09:07 is good A lot of people will separate
01:09:10 the two and putting them together so a
01:09:12 lot of book knowledge people will say oh
01:09:13 lunar eclipse the full thing’s three
01:09:16 hours so it but yeah it can last three
01:09:19 hours but it’s only dark for three
01:09:21 minutes
01:09:22 yeah because the sun’s not fully covered
01:09:24 just like a sunset as soon as you get
01:09:27 a little sliver you get tons of light
01:09:29 because of the direct sunlight
01:09:32 um but anyways well yeah yeah that
01:09:36 reminds me I was in New Mexico when that
01:09:39 um
01:09:39 total solar eclipse
01:09:42 happen
01:09:43 going
01:09:46 um North and going north and east oh
01:09:49 okay
01:09:52 um and
01:09:53 foreign
01:09:56 I was going to say there was an
01:09:58 earthquake back in the 1800s the
01:10:00 beginning of the 1800s in the United
01:10:02 States in the same area like around
01:10:04 Missouri and that area
01:10:07 um where the sun wasn’t visible for
01:10:11 three hours and everything was so dark
01:10:13 and it was described exactly as it was
01:10:15 with in the Book of Mormon right before
01:10:18 Jesus Christ came like the three days it
01:10:20 was three days of darkness I’m sorry
01:10:22 they had full three days of darkness
01:10:24 like I I’ll show you the feltics too
01:10:27 like in the Book of Mormon yeah
01:10:30 that’s how I learned about it was Roger
01:10:33 Melvin but yeah yeah yeah so that that’s
01:10:35 interesting right there like you know
01:10:37 the
01:10:38 um other Earthly things can happen and
01:10:41 you know and they’re recording it and
01:10:43 then it’s gonna happen again and it’s
01:10:44 already happened before Jesus’s
01:10:47 um just came back so that’s interesting
01:10:50 yeah yeah so the eclipses the
01:10:55 um
01:10:56 the blood moons
01:10:59 they’re less important signs that
01:11:03 because they’re and you know that
01:11:05 because they’re given multiple times
01:11:07 it’s like okay okay
01:11:12 on a calculated
01:11:16 um you can calculate when they happen in
01:11:17 fact they do calculate it in fact I have
01:11:20 a program that calculates I don’t
01:11:22 calculate the the
01:11:24 these Blood Moons but I do calculate
01:11:27 things about the moon because it’s
01:11:28 calculable yeah but but my point is is
01:11:33 that those aren’t
01:11:35 in terms of signs of the second coming
01:11:40 those are important way markers but
01:11:43 they’re not
01:11:45 it’s not what the fat is making him out
01:11:48 to be right they’re not as important as
01:11:51 they’re made out to be because and you
01:11:54 can know that for the simple reason that
01:11:56 in the scriptures
01:11:58 it’s
01:12:00 kind of an offhand toss-in okay we’re
01:12:03 now about to do a dire fold second uh
01:12:05 Second Coming prediction here we go sun
01:12:07 is dark and moon turn to blood okay
01:12:10 direful prediction here we go
01:12:12 it’s just kind of like the prediction of
01:12:15 when we turn to the clock to 2000 right
01:12:18 right it’s the end of the world because
01:12:20 you know but well the thing is there’s
01:12:23 predictions in the scriptures are the
01:12:25 end are the end of the world as we know
01:12:26 it but um
01:12:29 um right because it’s well
01:12:33 it’s the end of the world it’s not the
01:12:35 end of the Earth yeah it’s well yeah
01:12:38 it’s it’s the world is the people the
01:12:41 wicked people and the Earth is the world
01:12:44 is Babylon the world is bad that’s a
01:12:46 better way of putting it yes
01:12:48 um
01:12:49 but yeah so it is the end of the world
01:12:51 as we know it and um so it’s important
01:12:55 to pay attention
01:12:57 as and these signs are way markers
01:13:01 but it’s also important not to put too
01:13:04 much significance on them well I yeah
01:13:08 because
01:13:10 the other signs I think are more
01:13:12 important because without the other
01:13:13 signs you’re not going to be able to
01:13:14 recognize which red moon
01:13:17 because red moons happen quite regularly
01:13:20 they’re calculated that they happen so
01:13:23 regularly
01:13:25 yeah and you can go see their paths in
01:13:28 past and future
01:13:31 and they make x’s all over the place
01:13:33 really I’m not kidding you
01:13:36 but I do but I but I I did that said
01:13:41 I am looking and I am looking I will be
01:13:44 looking with interest to see what
01:13:46 happens
01:13:47 yeah
01:13:48 I I remember a couple of years ago
01:13:51 um the snuff rites were making a big
01:13:53 deal about how they thought
01:13:55 Revelation 12 and the woman and the 12
01:14:00 the crown and the stars and I forget
01:14:04 what plan is but anyways then nothing
01:14:06 happened
01:14:10 that’s not what I was talking about in
01:14:12 my personal opinion and I think history
01:14:15 has shown that I was right because
01:14:17 nothing happened really
01:14:20 but not yet
01:14:23 okay so the sign is years before the
01:14:27 event it’s supposed to be part of
01:14:31 foreign
01:15:03 yeah it happened right there
01:15:05 [Music]
01:15:06 yeah
01:15:08 I
01:15:10 forget I actually do think that a lot of
01:15:13 these um that a lot of these things that
01:15:16 they talk about in terms of cosmic
01:15:20 um
01:15:21 signs with the sun and like say with the
01:15:24 sun and the moon a lot of that will be
01:15:26 impacted as the polar configuration
01:15:28 comes back into alignment I agree that
01:15:32 um I don’t know if these two know what
01:15:33 that is though
01:15:35 yeah
01:15:37 uh I’ll give you guys
01:15:41 I could spill
01:15:43 here’s a resource page
01:15:45 um if you guys want I can show you an
01:15:47 entry video on it that I think is pretty
01:15:49 good but go ahead what was your question
01:15:51 I just said I listened to so many things
01:15:53 that are confusing because I I listened
01:15:56 to a video about that Jody’s daughter
01:15:58 did about that
01:16:01 um woman being assigned but not you know
01:16:04 just because it doesn’t happen yet this
01:16:06 assignment things to come it’s the
01:16:07 opening of the seventh season the
01:16:09 seventh seal
01:16:10 anyway that’s what she said
01:16:13 um so I’m not a hundred percent sure on
01:16:16 a lot of things in Revelation or the
01:16:18 Book of Revelation
01:16:20 um I I tend to think
01:16:23 Revelations 12 is more about uh yeshua’s
01:16:26 birth I think Ben thinks a little I
01:16:29 think he’s different on that yeah and I
01:16:32 think cases could be made for either
01:16:34 um and I don’t know 100 one way or the
01:16:36 other
01:16:37 yeah yeah my my thing what I believe is
01:16:41 that Revelations 12 is referring to the
01:16:43 birth of the kingdom of God from his
01:16:45 church
01:16:48 um because the lady because the Church
01:16:51 of Christ is often referred to as a
01:16:53 woman
01:16:55 sure but it’s birthing a man-child and
01:16:58 man child and The Man Child would be in
01:17:01 the main child would be the kingdom of
01:17:03 God
01:17:03 uh kingdoms are
01:17:08 I I would disagree generally speaking in
01:17:10 scriptures kingdoms are
01:17:12 um beasts not a single man especially
01:17:16 one that’s not referred to as a specific
01:17:18 King but anyways this is where something
01:17:21 we disagree on yeah this is yeah this is
01:17:24 just one of those things and you’re not
01:17:26 going to school at least to come to your
01:17:28 house no man so
01:17:32 some things are a lot more plain and
01:17:35 simple especially when you study more
01:17:36 but I
01:17:40 I can’t I’m not to the point where I can
01:17:42 say like Joseph Smith that the Book of
01:17:44 Revelation is plain
01:17:46 I I’m not there so
01:17:49 not in the Book of Revelation on other
01:17:52 things I can say that but Book of
01:17:53 Revelations no
01:17:55 Isaiah
01:17:57 uh some Isaiah no some Isaiah yes but um
01:18:01 I I I’m not gonna fight people over that
01:18:03 one though because yeah I mean there’s
01:18:06 very little point in fighting over end
01:18:08 times prophecy anyway yeah
01:18:11 um a lot of times you even the Book of
01:18:13 Mormon says this you
01:18:15 know you won’t know it until it happens
01:18:17 so there’s all these arguments about it
01:18:19 before it happens huh I wonder why it’s
01:18:22 because the Book of Mormon says you’re
01:18:23 gonna you’re gonna notice it you’re
01:18:25 gonna know it after it happens so we can
01:18:28 speculate
01:18:30 in conjecture and probably some
01:18:32 conjecturing and speculation are better
01:18:34 than others but if we’re not going to
01:18:36 know it until after it happens
01:18:38 well it doesn’t say that we won’t know
01:18:40 it till after it’s happened the laughter
01:18:42 it happens it says that we’ll know it in
01:18:45 the season of it’s happening
01:18:47 okay yeah I think that one’s a better
01:18:49 quote so I I
01:18:51 paraphrased maybe a little
01:18:53 too liberally there but
01:18:57 yeah so I was close and I was trying to
01:19:00 get to the right point but I think you
01:19:03 helped clarified what I was trying to
01:19:04 say even better so yeah
01:19:07 um
01:19:10 so can I make enough comment real quick
01:19:13 and then I’ll make mine so go ahead
01:19:17 so me and my husband have been talking
01:19:19 about this while
01:19:20 um you’re speaking and everything this
01:19:22 is his first time I’m listening to you
01:19:24 speak and and give a lesson
01:19:26 um and he has listened to Phil before
01:19:28 and others give lessons and this is what
01:19:31 he he said he said you know Erica
01:19:34 do you think how kind he is and how
01:19:36 soft-spoken he is how like he doesn’t go
01:19:39 against the person and gets upset when
01:19:41 somebody talks to him he answers the
01:19:44 question and he’s still kind that’s how
01:19:46 I imagine heavenly father to be to be
01:19:48 kind and understanding and not
01:19:51 overbearing and he said you know my
01:19:53 mission if you were to put like all the
01:19:56 missionaries in the group he’s like I
01:19:57 know exactly what Phil was when I start
01:20:00 when I heard him speak and I said babe
01:20:03 you’re so right you know I’m so sorry he
01:20:04 said you know I have to deal with those
01:20:06 people in the mission and he said
01:20:07 there’s always those guys and you could
01:20:10 never get anything across to them they
01:20:12 were always right no matter what but the
01:20:15 stop smoking the the nice The Humble we
01:20:19 always got along and everything worked
01:20:21 out fine so I just want to say I
01:20:23 appreciate you very much Stephen and I
01:20:25 think it’s a complete bull crap what
01:20:28 everybody says about you they don’t know
01:20:30 you at all and you know no they don’t
01:20:33 know me
01:20:34 they don’t know you so they’re
01:20:37 completely lying about you because if
01:20:39 they were to just listen a few minutes
01:20:41 they would they would see who you really
01:20:44 are and what you’re really about that I
01:20:45 just want to say that for a second thank
01:20:48 you Erica and there are those so you
01:20:51 also mentioned he also said please also
01:20:53 mention
01:20:54 um a Benjamin and Karen and how kind
01:20:57 they are also so and like this whole
01:21:01 time we all haven’t even though we
01:21:04 haven’t seen eye to eye with things we
01:21:07 all have agreed and we all have been
01:21:09 nice to each other and it hasn’t been
01:21:11 like a I’m right you’re wrong and this
01:21:14 is why I’m right in your own type of
01:21:16 deal oh well it is
01:21:19 name calling and stuff like that I I
01:21:22 mean I’m not perfect yet
01:21:25 and I mean I do believe we can become
01:21:29 perfect
01:21:29 exactly that’s another subject hang out
01:21:32 I hang out with us long enough and our
01:21:34 students will become
01:21:38 um but I do
01:21:40 try hard to stick to the scriptures and
01:21:44 base it in the scriptures
01:21:46 I I
01:21:48 wouldn’t say I’m
01:21:50 I probably haven’t done this for a long
01:21:52 time where I’ve gone to a personal
01:21:53 attack because of frustration I think
01:21:56 it’s been a very long time since I’ve
01:21:57 done that
01:21:59 um but
01:22:02 um I do try hard to keep it to the
01:22:03 scriptures and talk about the scriptures
01:22:05 because if we’re going to be United it’s
01:22:08 not in our own opinions it’s going to be
01:22:10 United
01:22:11 and you always weighs United in the
01:22:15 world our ways
01:22:17 exactly and that’s what I appreciate
01:22:20 about you and Benjamin and Karen because
01:22:25 um and also Matthew
01:22:27 um because you guys like you speak from
01:22:30 the heart and I that’s how I am and I
01:22:35 want people like that around me
01:22:37 people that tell the truth and speak
01:22:39 from the heart no matter what
01:22:41 you know if I if I’m being full of crap
01:22:43 tell me I’m full of crap so I can fix it
01:22:45 you know
01:22:47 put some foot around me
01:22:50 one go ahead and prank with me I’ll be
01:22:52 frank with you and that’s how it is you
01:22:54 know
01:22:57 but here just on that
01:22:59 go along with that
01:23:01 put you from the scripture is there a
01:23:05 post
01:23:06 well actually I am putting in this post
01:23:08 but I wasn’t referring to a post
01:23:10 um
01:23:12 I’ve I’ve put it in a that I put it in
01:23:15 my I can bring it up from the Post-it
01:23:17 here let’s bring up from the post to
01:23:18 make Matt happy how about that
01:23:24 because I have put it in a post
01:23:27 um
01:23:31 so all this is from all things you
01:23:34 should do Kaya’s mix
01:23:36 proverbs
01:23:37 6 23.
01:23:39 for the Commandment is a lamp and the
01:23:42 law which literally the Hebrew behind
01:23:45 that word law is literally Torah
01:23:48 is the light and reproves our
01:23:51 instructions are the way of life and
01:23:54 that actually brings so much of Doctrine
01:23:56 and Covenants 93 into Clarity when you
01:24:01 realize that the law is light and so
01:24:04 what it refers to light it’s talking
01:24:07 about law well yeah in Moroni seven too
01:24:10 which it’s in this post
01:24:13 I never say anything like that
01:24:16 never
01:24:18 so knowing that light is another word
01:24:21 for law Torah Moroni 7 8 19
01:24:24 becomes so clear to understand because
01:24:26 it’s telling us to make judgments by the
01:24:29 written law
01:24:30 shall we read it real quick yes seven
01:24:34 and now my brethren says sorry if not
01:24:37 you read it or thanks you guys caught me
01:24:39 laughing and now my brethren seen the
01:24:43 eat know the light Aura by which he may
01:24:46 judge which light is the light of or
01:24:50 from Christ the Messiah
01:24:53 see that ye do not judge wrongfully for
01:24:56 with that same judgment which he judge
01:24:58 ye shall also be judged
01:25:01 wherefore I beseech of you Brethren that
01:25:03 you should search diligently in the
01:25:06 Light of Christ Torah the Messiah
01:25:11 oh well maybe I’ll do an update you may
01:25:14 know good from Evil and if you will lay
01:25:16 hold upon every good thing law Torah and
01:25:20 condemn it singular law Torah not ye
01:25:25 certainly will be a child or follower of
01:25:28 Christ so I yeah I need to add a a
01:25:32 glimpse here that says light Torah that
01:25:34 you may know good for an evil because
01:25:36 Torah makes good and evil a plane in
01:25:40 fact the matter the fact of the matter
01:25:42 are the only thing that we have that
01:25:44 tells the the way this may sound really
01:25:48 um to those of us who’ve always been
01:25:50 raised to believe the cannibalism was
01:25:52 wrong the only reason we know that is
01:25:54 because of Torah yeah because of the
01:25:57 kosher laws that’s right
01:26:02 without the law right and wrong is a
01:26:05 matter of opinion
01:26:06 yeah
01:26:08 without the kosher law
01:26:10 cannibalism
01:26:13 is okay
01:26:15 yes just an opinion depending on your
01:26:17 Society you could do it yeah and some
01:26:19 societies have and more societies are
01:26:21 doing it now
01:26:26 in fact this becoming more and more if
01:26:28 you’re not you need to start to we all
01:26:32 need to start thinking about interesting
01:26:33 yeah they’re they’re pushing it more
01:26:36 yeah there’s a physical restaurant in
01:26:38 California that’s doing it right now
01:26:42 that’s against the law Torah law
01:26:45 that’s disgusting yeah it is but uh but
01:26:49 that’s but that’s just my opinion unless
01:26:51 you go back to unless you unless you
01:26:53 turn it back to the law
01:26:55 they also put like the natural flavoring
01:26:58 that’s not named in foods that’s a human
01:27:02 who remains come to find out uh
01:27:06 uh they have done actually started gone
01:27:08 out that certain foods that say natural
01:27:11 flavoring
01:27:12 is human remains and also in the
01:27:16 vaccines yeah it’s disgusting the stuff
01:27:19 that they do well yeah
01:27:21 um if you want a religious reason to not
01:27:23 take the vaccine
01:27:25 go kosher
01:27:27 yeah
01:27:28 seriously if you want a religious reason
01:27:31 go kosher those vaccines aren’t kosher
01:27:34 they use baby remains
01:27:38 well that’s human yeah
01:27:41 it and
01:27:43 for those who are LDS the eldest Church
01:27:46 does a church uh I mean an occult
01:27:49 teaching that the ends justifies the
01:27:51 means with these murder baby parts
01:27:54 in fact the LDS church and the Catholic
01:27:57 Church have publicly come out and said
01:27:58 it’s okay because the ends justifies the
01:28:01 mean
01:28:01 that’s
01:28:03 against Torah that’s against God’s voice
01:28:06 the ends does not justify the means yeah
01:28:09 there are those who look at um the first
01:28:12 the unlearned and unstable as Peter
01:28:15 calls me we’ll look at first Nephi
01:28:17 chapter four wait let’s go look at that
01:28:20 very quick just so that way people know
01:28:22 we’re not just making it up
01:28:24 because that’s an important verse right
01:28:27 the the they all use that to say that
01:28:30 the ends justify the means
01:28:32 and let the scriptures back up that idea
01:28:36 but that’s not what’s going on there no
01:28:39 but here’s the the
01:28:42 um oh yes the second the whole yes
01:28:45 second Peter chapter 3 verse 16 as also
01:28:48 in all his Paul’s Epistles speaking in
01:28:52 them of these of these things in which
01:28:55 are some things hard to be understood
01:28:56 which say that are unlearned and
01:28:59 unstable rest as they do also the other
01:29:02 scriptures to unto their own destruction
01:29:04 either ye therefore beloved seeing that
01:29:08 ye know these things before beware lest
01:29:11 ye also being led away with the error of
01:29:13 the wicked fall from your own
01:29:15 steadfastness
01:29:16 now he was actually mourning them from
01:29:19 falling away from Torah right and
01:29:22 steadfastness is related to enduring the
01:29:24 end he said if if you’re twisting these
01:29:26 scriptures
01:29:28 you’re not enduring to the end because
01:29:30 because you’re not keeping them the way
01:29:34 that they’re intended to be kept
01:29:36 yeah it’s just another term for the same
01:29:39 image
01:29:41 so when you go into that section in
01:29:43 first Nephi chapter four okay let me get
01:29:46 there so every oh actually I’m gonna do
01:29:48 it in the Kindle because I like that one
01:29:50 better well because I like
01:29:53 so yeah
01:29:54 it’s the way it’s structured better yeah
01:29:58 just if anybody cares this is my
01:30:00 favorite edition
01:30:02 yeah the only thing I don’t like is that
01:30:08 but I love this Edition it’s where I do
01:30:11 my serious study out of
01:30:13 um
01:30:15 um so I have it in Kindle though so that
01:30:17 way we can share it so let’s go with
01:30:20 first Nephi chapter four
01:30:22 okay hold on
01:30:25 um the whole situation with later and
01:30:27 told him all the things concerning the
01:30:29 fall of that’s I don’t know what my
01:30:31 first implied
01:30:33 first Levi chapter four and it’s not fun
01:30:37 to go through the chapters in the Kindle
01:30:38 but um if you have an Android and
01:30:41 probably Apple their scripture Plus app
01:30:45 you can get this Edition there are
01:30:48 formattings a little off but it’s
01:30:50 basically this Edition and um okay
01:30:56 yeah it’s free you just can’t copy from
01:30:58 it which I find annoying yeah
01:31:04 scripture plus I don’t know if you can
01:31:07 yeah I can’t see that but
01:31:10 um
01:31:13 under scripture plus you go to study
01:31:20 oops
01:31:33 so
01:31:35 I don’t know if you can see it but this
01:31:36 top right corner right now it says
01:31:38 earliest that’s the earliest text
01:31:40 Edition which is what I prefer
01:31:43 but if you click there you can go pick
01:31:46 other editions you can pick the standard
01:31:48 LDS one or the 18 e 1840 is the 1840 on
01:31:53 there
01:31:54 um
01:31:55 uh oh they have the 1830
01:31:57 they have the Book of Mormon Central
01:31:59 Edition they have a one Spanish they
01:32:02 have two Spanish ones the standards the
01:32:04 earliest standard Spanish and the Book
01:32:07 of Mormon Central Spanish
01:32:09 I prefer the earliest text
01:32:11 yeah because of all the research that
01:32:13 went into it
01:32:14 and the formatting
01:32:17 um
01:32:18 anyways so going into first Nephi
01:32:21 chapter four this is where this is that
01:32:23 circumstance where people say that the
01:32:27 spirit will command you to break the law
01:32:30 so let’s take a look at that oh yeah
01:32:33 this is uh Nephi slaying Laban yes so
01:32:38 let’s actually let me just give a link
01:32:40 real quick but that’s actually according
01:32:43 to the law
01:32:44 um
01:32:46 I have a link that talks about it yeah
01:32:49 we could yeah go ahead and go ahead and
01:32:51 throw that link up there uh because yeah
01:32:53 that’s it’s important to realize that
01:32:55 this that this was actually in
01:32:57 accordance with the law yes it is Laban
01:33:00 is in accordance with the law if you
01:33:02 don’t study it you don’t know the law so
01:33:04 you wouldn’t know if it does or not but
01:33:06 if you want to get rid of the law you’re
01:33:07 just going to say it’s against it and
01:33:10 somebody when somebody asked me about
01:33:12 that one time I actually showed them for
01:33:14 uh uh I actually showed them at least I
01:33:17 showed them five different references
01:33:19 within
01:33:21 uh the first four books of Moses that
01:33:24 would have Justified Nephi’s killing uh
01:33:27 of Laban the things that
01:33:31 Nephi is listing are things that are
01:33:33 required to do it according to the law
01:33:35 exactly so so that’s so that’s that so
01:33:39 that’s you you can’t it is justifiable
01:33:42 under the law but let’s let’s go ahead
01:33:43 and read that
01:33:45 that was it’s just
01:33:48 Nephi’s enacting
01:33:50 the curse for the broken law because and
01:33:55 also and also this is and also this is
01:33:57 actually where the Lord
01:34:00 chooses Nephi as a judge
01:34:03 oh
01:34:05 okay so
01:34:08 um
01:34:09 so here we so here we are let me start
01:34:12 in verse six and I was led by the spirit
01:34:13 not knowing before I handle things which
01:34:15 I should do
01:34:17 so never I was led by the Torah so
01:34:20 the directions in Torah
01:34:23 told them what to do
01:34:25 yeah just because
01:34:27 Torah tells us all things that we should
01:34:29 do actually in these because it tells us
01:34:32 what is right and wrong we should do
01:34:33 what is right yeah so then not knowing
01:34:35 beforehand is not knowing the specific
01:34:37 actions he should take but generally
01:34:38 he’s led by court right but
01:34:41 um until you know the circumstance you
01:34:43 don’t know what laws in the Torah to
01:34:45 apply that’s why he didn’t know
01:34:47 beforehand what to do but he was being
01:34:49 led by Torah exactly directed by the
01:34:52 spirit or the behavior right this is
01:34:55 what he’s setting up here by the law
01:34:59 nevertheless I went forth and as I came
01:35:02 near the house of Laban I beheld a man
01:35:04 and he had fallen to the Earth before me
01:35:06 for he was drunken with wine and when I
01:35:08 came to him I found that it was Laban
01:35:10 and I beheld his sword and I drew it
01:35:12 forth from the sheath thereof and the
01:35:14 hilt thereof was of pure gold and the
01:35:16 workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine
01:35:18 and I saw the blade thereof was of the
01:35:20 most precious Steel
01:35:22 and all kinds of uh
01:35:27 all kinds of interesting imagery there
01:35:29 oh yeah I I don’t know how much we
01:35:31 probably shouldn’t go into some of the
01:35:32 imagery let’s just stay on your menu
01:35:34 exactly yeah and it came to pass stay on
01:35:37 target and it came to pass and I was
01:35:40 constrained by the spirit that I should
01:35:41 kill Laban but I said
01:35:43 don’t get distracted by shiny objects
01:35:46 like I do okay
01:35:50 sorry
01:35:53 strained by the spirit
01:35:55 that I should kill Layman he’s
01:35:57 constrained by the law
01:35:58 to kill Laban
01:36:00 but I said in my heart never at any time
01:36:02 have I shed the blood of man and I
01:36:03 shrunk and wood that I might not slam
01:36:05 and the spirit said unto me again
01:36:08 I I actually so
01:36:10 the word Spirit can be tricky okay
01:36:14 because at this time
01:36:17 I think in this instance in verse 10
01:36:19 it’s actually talking about Yahweh
01:36:21 uncle has not gained a physical spirit
01:36:24 yet because he was constrained
01:36:28 this is how I read it I think the
01:36:30 context is telling me that this is
01:36:32 Yahweh who is only a spirit at this time
01:36:35 like just like in 30
01:36:37 um ether 3 right
01:36:41 um he hasn’t come down and got his
01:36:42 mortal body yeah and that would actually
01:36:44 and that would actually
01:36:46 um that would actually coincide with
01:36:48 this being this circumstance where a
01:36:50 Nephi gets uh chosen as a judge yeah
01:36:54 okay so so I guess hopefully it sounds
01:36:56 like it makes it make a little more
01:36:57 sense to you here also but this is where
01:37:00 some of these terms
01:37:02 unless you look at context you won’t
01:37:04 know what it is but that’s true with
01:37:05 English
01:37:06 also right because
01:37:09 word definitions have many meanings and
01:37:12 you know which one to use because of
01:37:13 context same thing here
01:37:16 you just use the context and you can
01:37:18 know which one it is and I believe so
01:37:20 when you say someone when it says and
01:37:22 the spirit said unto me again behold the
01:37:24 Lord behold Yahweh hath delivered him
01:37:27 into thy hands so he’s basically saying
01:37:29 I have delivered him into your hands
01:37:31 yeah it’s basically he’s so like verse
01:37:33 11.
01:37:35 English we don’t like saying the same
01:37:37 word twice because it sounds funny same
01:37:39 thing in Hebrew that’s what I see is
01:37:41 going on in the spirit
01:37:43 said unto me again
01:37:46 instead of saying and Yahweh said unto
01:37:48 me again behold Yahweh hath delivered
01:37:51 him into thy hands but that’s just
01:37:55 that’s repetitive so we tend to avoid
01:37:58 repetitive statements even in English
01:38:00 they do the same thing in Hebrew
01:38:03 yeah and uh that he had some and I also
01:38:06 knew that he had sought to take away my
01:38:08 own life okay tore up to our principle
01:38:10 of judgment
01:38:12 and he would not hearken under the
01:38:14 Commandments of Lord Beyond of the Lord
01:38:16 the unjust judge judgments on the unjust
01:38:18 judge
01:38:19 uh from Torah
01:38:22 and they had also taken away our
01:38:24 property
01:38:26 the attempt to take away their life is
01:38:29 that stealing
01:38:31 and the attempt to take away their life
01:38:33 all three of those
01:38:36 the judgment is death
01:38:38 yeah
01:38:39 um the torque judgment is death and then
01:38:42 also one that I talk about in my Bishops
01:38:45 are judges of Israel is how
01:38:48 earlier Laban had incorrectly judged
01:38:52 Nephi of these things right
01:38:56 and one of the things in Torah is if you
01:39:01 give a false witness against someone
01:39:03 about a crime
01:39:05 you are punished with
01:39:08 the Judgment of that crime
01:39:10 yeah which would actually would help
01:39:12 society today
01:39:14 because there’d be a lot less false
01:39:16 Witnesses today if they had to suffer
01:39:19 what they’re witnessing of
01:39:23 falsely falsely against
01:39:26 um the accused of right
01:39:29 it would actually help Society if we
01:39:31 kept that from Torah because there’d be
01:39:33 a lot less lying because the punishments
01:39:37 are can be very severe because it’s as
01:39:40 severe as that you’re witnessing of
01:39:43 and it came to pass that the spirit said
01:39:45 unto me again
01:39:47 slay him
01:39:49 it’s made him the instrument of Justice
01:39:52 yeah
01:39:54 I see here Yahweh did the judgment
01:39:58 yes and Yahweh made Nephi uh of the
01:40:03 court to the Avenger of blood yeah
01:40:08 well I I wouldn’t say Avenger blood
01:40:10 because nobody died here nobody actually
01:40:12 died you’re true so there’s no Avenger
01:40:14 of blood in my opinion what I see here
01:40:16 is just the officer Nephi is the officer
01:40:19 of the Court which
01:40:21 I’m not 100 sure on this
01:40:24 but I believe that’s what the deacons
01:40:26 are supposed to be
01:40:29 um
01:40:30 um these are supposed to be married uh
01:40:33 right uh so
01:40:35 laughs
01:40:36 it was about in the 1920s when other
01:40:40 Christian churches
01:40:41 we’re starting to
01:40:43 do stuff with their teenagers
01:40:46 that’s when the LDS church changed
01:40:48 deacons or the aaronic priesthood from
01:40:51 adults
01:40:53 to teenagers
01:40:55 when Joseph Smith was alive the aaronic
01:40:57 priesthood was adults and that’s a
01:41:00 historical fact
01:41:04 and it’s not something you just got
01:41:05 because you got an age it was because
01:41:07 you were worthy of it
01:41:10 um anyways that’s a whole other issue
01:41:11 but it just that clarifies why they
01:41:15 could be the officers of the Court they
01:41:16 were actually supposed to be adults
01:41:21 so there we go uh behold the Lord
01:41:23 slayeth will make it to bring forth his
01:41:25 righteous purposes again torque
01:41:26 Principle as shown Time and Time Justice
01:41:29 yeah
01:41:32 also shown time and time again as
01:41:34 they’re preparing to enter into the
01:41:35 promised land Johnny come here the
01:41:38 principles played out time and time
01:41:40 again right and then speaking of the
01:41:42 Promised Land
01:41:43 just before we get into a promised land
01:41:46 after the second coming what happens
01:41:48 just before that
01:41:50 a judgment just like is happening here
01:41:53 just before Nephi goes to a Promised
01:41:56 Land there’s a judgment
01:41:58 Yahweh Yeshua is falling a pattern here
01:42:03 and it’s throughout all these scriptures
01:42:06 most a lot of these stories are teaching
01:42:09 the same pattern
01:42:12 but people don’t see it because they
01:42:13 don’t look past
01:42:15 the story they don’t see what’s behind
01:42:18 the story right they don’t see the
01:42:20 pattern of behavior it’s laid out behold
01:42:23 the Lord slayeth the wicked to bring
01:42:24 forth his righteous purposes it is
01:42:26 better that one man should perish and
01:42:27 that a nation should dwindle in perish
01:42:29 and unbelief and now when I me if I had
01:42:31 heard these words I remembered the words
01:42:33 of the Lord which he spake unto me in
01:42:35 the wilderness saying that inasmuch as I
01:42:36 see shall keep my Commandments they
01:42:38 shall prosper in the land of promise and
01:42:40 I also thought they could not keep the
01:42:42 Commandments of the Lord according to
01:42:43 the law of Moses say if they should have
01:42:45 the law
01:42:46 so law Moses
01:42:48 I mean let’s just Sidetrack just a
01:42:51 little bit we’ll go back just because
01:42:54 there’s
01:42:55 misconceptions out there
01:42:59 um
01:43:12 so law Moses is done away with just so
01:43:16 everybody knows what I teach almost done
01:43:19 away with Torah Eternal
01:43:21 um but what is the law of Moses that’s
01:43:24 the big question and
01:43:27 um my favorite verse
01:43:30 plain about is mosiah 13.
01:43:34 and
01:43:36 let’s see if I can find it
01:43:41 uh verse 20 verses I would say
01:43:45 29 and starting in verse 29. uh I guess
01:43:49 we can read it all but I’m just trying
01:43:51 to find
01:43:52 okay
01:43:54 30. there was a law of Moses given them
01:43:58 verse 30. therefore yeah that’s the one
01:44:01 you guys found out I’m giving them yeah
01:44:03 a law of most of performances and
01:44:05 ordinances Bob Moses is the law of
01:44:07 performances and ordinances
01:44:09 day today okay performance ordinances
01:44:13 day to day okay it has nothing to do
01:44:16 with how we live our lives it has
01:44:17 everything to do with what we sacrifice
01:44:19 well this is what the Levites sacrificed
01:44:22 in fact this is very specific this is
01:44:24 the daily Lambs right um and they even
01:44:27 say is it uh you jump on here oh no look
01:44:32 here and Torrance day day by day I must
01:44:36 be off instead of day two day
01:44:41 I I’m just off
01:44:45 day by day
01:44:47 this is the the so there’s a daily
01:44:50 weekly and moonly but it’s basically the
01:44:55 two Lambs that get sacrificed every
01:44:57 single day
01:44:58 which according to Alma 34
01:45:02 points us to yeshua’s atonement
01:45:05 which
01:45:06 I don’t want to get too sidetracked off
01:45:08 of this because we’re I’m sidetracking
01:45:10 from
01:45:11 um Ben’s main point but I just want to
01:45:15 make sure everybody knows what I say the
01:45:16 law of Moses is it’s the daily
01:45:18 performances and ordinances the two
01:45:21 daily Lambs one at the between the
01:45:23 mornings and between the evenings which
01:45:26 points to yeshua’s sacrifice
01:45:29 yes
01:45:32 um which Alma 34 really makes that clear
01:45:34 but I mean it’s all over the place so
01:45:36 just so people know uh fourth Nephi one
01:45:41 and I’m going to read this one and they
01:45:44 did not walk anymore after the daily
01:45:46 performances and ordinances of the law
01:45:48 of Moses
01:45:49 they didn’t
01:45:51 they didn’t do it it was done but they
01:45:53 still kept Torah and I did a recording
01:45:55 last week
01:45:57 um so I don’t want to go over that again
01:46:00 and well maybe
01:46:02 is Matt coming Matt is Ben coming back
01:46:05 or yeah he just had to take care of
01:46:08 Necessities uh okay
01:46:12 um man about a dog so to speak so maybe
01:46:14 I’ll just show
01:46:26 or too many notes there we go
01:46:30 anyways there’s a lot of occurrences of
01:46:34 after the resurrection
01:46:37 of Torah being kept and taught and I
01:46:40 haven’t in last week’s video so and
01:46:43 Ben’s back so we’ll go back to his thing
01:46:45 okay so oh yeah yeah but just yeah the
01:46:51 Toro the Toro was kept after torah’s
01:46:55 Eternal law Moses is not law Moses was a
01:46:58 punishment mandatory it was transitory
01:47:01 yeah
01:47:03 um
01:47:04 let’s see uh here’s something I haven’t
01:47:07 quite figured out I think it’s uh in
01:47:09 jst’s Exodus
01:47:11 uh I think
01:47:13 law of Moses is the carnal Commandments
01:47:16 I’m not 100 sure on that I need to get
01:47:18 more into look into that more but that I
01:47:20 think that’s the carnal Commandments
01:47:22 when you’re talking about carnal
01:47:24 Commandments what are you talking about
01:47:25 well uh okay
01:47:30 it’s
01:47:33 because the difference between carnal
01:47:35 and between carnal and holy is is uh
01:47:39 Yeshua hamashiach
01:47:44 well all
01:47:46 so real quick on that point
01:47:51 that’s all that’s spoken of in the Book
01:47:53 of Mormon uh
01:47:56 uh so dnc29 all things unto me Are
01:47:59 Spiritual and at no time have I given
01:48:01 you a law which was temporal
01:48:04 temporal or carnal right so uh because
01:48:08 Nephi talks about how it’s both temporal
01:48:11 and spiritual right right there when
01:48:13 he’s talking to his brothers when
01:48:15 they’re asking is it temporal spiritual
01:48:17 he’s like it’s both because it is right
01:48:22 them if if
01:48:25 you’re trying to say well
01:48:27 there’s the letter of the law and the
01:48:29 spirit of Law and you’re trying to
01:48:30 separate them you don’t understand the
01:48:32 law
01:48:34 because if you think you know better
01:48:36 than God himself and how to apply the
01:48:40 spiritual law temporally you have become
01:48:43 a law unto yourself
01:48:49 yeah you’re Lawless you’re a volunteer
01:48:51 yourself
01:48:54 yeah
01:48:56 stop kidding yourself
01:48:57 you don’t know a lot better than God
01:48:59 that told us how to keep it temporarily
01:49:04 um
01:49:05 so back to carnal Commandments okay all
01:49:08 right so that one’s in um
01:49:11 Moses
01:49:14 I don’t have notes hello
01:49:19 no so in here
01:49:21 that one I think this
01:49:25 is where I need to do more research
01:49:27 though but I
01:49:30 believe that is pointing to the law of
01:49:33 Moses because this is the time that the
01:49:35 law of mass was given
01:49:37 well and carnal actually points to blood
01:49:41 bodies flesh yeah which is what the law
01:49:45 is all about it’s about the offering the
01:49:48 Lambs the carnal before go to DNC 84 and
01:49:53 it’ll tell you exactly what’s up
01:50:04 yeah I just haven’t done it it’s because
01:50:07 I get
01:50:08 I have my a lot of shiny objects while I
01:50:10 do my own personal studies you can see
01:50:13 84 starting in verse 19. all right
01:50:17 uh let’s see
01:50:19 84
01:50:22 19.
01:50:23 there and not 88 84. or an 88. 88 or 34
01:50:29 84 4. oh okay sorry
01:50:35 yeah there we go you want to read it
01:50:38 Matt since you’re the one
01:50:40 all right
01:50:42 and there’s oh gosh could you highlight
01:50:45 it because it’s uh I’ll I’ll read it
01:50:48 as this greater priesthood administered
01:50:51 the gospel and hold up the key of the
01:50:53 Mysteries of the Kingdom even the key of
01:50:54 the knowledge of God
01:50:56 therefore in the ordinances thereof the
01:50:59 power of godliness is Manifest and
01:51:01 without the ordinances thereof The
01:51:03 Authority
01:51:04 hold on so
01:51:06 this is the higher authority oh this is
01:51:08 okay
01:51:09 we’re right now we’re talking about the
01:51:11 higher authority uh the power of
01:51:14 godliness is not manifest onto men in
01:51:15 the flesh
01:51:16 for without this no man can see the face
01:51:18 of God even the father and live now this
01:51:21 Moses plainly taught to the children of
01:51:22 Israel in the wilderness and sought
01:51:24 diligently to sanctify his people that
01:51:26 they might behold the face of God
01:51:29 but they hardened their hearts and could
01:51:31 not endure his presence therefore the
01:51:33 Lord in his wrath for his anger was
01:51:34 kindled against them swore that they
01:51:36 should not enter into his rest while in
01:51:37 the wilderness which Wilderness is this
01:51:40 I have always taken that to me in the
01:51:42 wilderness is that literally that
01:51:45 Wilderness but also it could be the
01:51:46 Wilderness of this life
01:51:48 yeah it’s both which rest is the
01:51:51 fullness of his glory therefore he took
01:51:53 Moses out of their midst and the holy
01:51:55 priesthood also and the Lesser priests
01:51:57 who continued which priesthood hold it
01:51:58 the key of the ministering of angels and
01:52:00 the Preparatory gospel which gospel is
01:52:02 the gospel of repentance of baptism and
01:52:05 the remission of sins and the law of
01:52:06 carnal Commandments amen
01:52:10 that’s what they were let’s law Moses I
01:52:13 mean it’s not quite really saying it
01:52:15 because here you know you’ve got all
01:52:17 these other things which are framed up
01:52:20 in Torah and then you have and the law
01:52:21 of carnal Commandments well first of all
01:52:23 it’s along with uh aaronic priesthood
01:52:26 stuff which what
01:52:29 the Levi aaronic priests were supposed
01:52:32 to do they right I it wasn’t your
01:52:35 household father that did the law of
01:52:38 Moses it was the Iraq priesthood the
01:52:41 Levites
01:52:43 so it doesn’t come out and say it but
01:52:46 that’s what I see there that’s law of
01:52:48 Moses right this is the other ref this
01:52:51 is the other reference to the law of
01:52:52 carnal Commandments and it does back it
01:52:54 up and I do believe that you that I do
01:52:58 believe that that is a valid
01:53:00 interpretation of the law of carnal
01:53:01 Commandments because like again again
01:53:05 carnal reference to the flesh the
01:53:07 offering of Flesh they were commanded to
01:53:10 offer flesh yeah so let’s let’s let’s do
01:53:14 one of my favorite things
01:53:19 make a note oh sorry no that I do do
01:53:22 that a lot that is one of my favorite
01:53:23 things
01:53:25 no actually I’m gonna be when we go back
01:53:28 I I need to make a note on that in fact
01:53:31 I’m just gonna do it now since you’re
01:53:32 teasing me let me get rid of 84. and it
01:53:36 was 84.19 and Beyond
01:53:38 so yeah I do make notes you saw my notes
01:53:42 yes they’re quite extensive very yeah
01:53:47 most of my interactions with people copy
01:53:50 paste done because like just copy paste
01:53:52 the scriptures
01:53:54 yeah I it’s it’s not something I get
01:53:57 really that tied up into like some
01:53:59 people apparently do copy paste done
01:54:02 oh I just know where I put stuff in my
01:54:05 notes well you know it’s not enough to
01:54:07 copy and paste the scriptures you also
01:54:08 have to twist them after you after
01:54:10 you’ve copied and pasted them well I
01:54:12 guess it depends on whose side you’re on
01:54:13 [Laughter]
01:54:17 um okay anyways all right let’s look at
01:54:19 Cardinal pertaining to flesh oh law
01:54:21 Moses very pertaining to the flesh
01:54:24 Leslie sensual opposed to spiritual
01:54:28 Eternal pleasure being in a magical
01:54:30 State unregenerate
01:54:32 um
01:54:33 ceremony oh look at this pertaining to
01:54:36 ceremonial law
01:54:39 that that that is law Moses
01:54:43 yep
01:54:44 oh look at this carnal ordinances right
01:54:48 it goes with the performance and
01:54:50 ordinances yes I I bet if we go look at
01:54:53 Hebrews 9 10 let’s let’s just go look we
01:54:57 love we love dictionary and scriptures
01:54:59 at least I do
01:55:01 [Laughter]
01:55:05 oh you know what that one’s probably
01:55:08 gonna have a jst so
01:55:10 um
01:55:11 let’s go this one
01:55:19 [Music]
01:55:29 I could
01:55:32 oh come on
01:55:34 I’m blind
01:55:38 that’s not there it is me too I left
01:55:41 because I am too
01:55:46 well hopefully I’m not Superior oh my so
01:55:48 welcome to the clublantis
01:55:54 well there’s not too much uh I mean I
01:55:57 can’t really talk I have to wear glasses
01:55:59 so
01:56:00 yeah so do I I had laser surgery and I
01:56:04 came back
01:56:10 oh my
01:56:12 my mom has it my sister my dad my
01:56:15 grandma my grandpa my uncle and my aunts
01:56:17 they all have glasses I don’t
01:56:19 um so
01:56:21 yeah
01:56:23 yeah okay
01:56:26 so 9 10
01:56:28 which consisted only in meats and drinks
01:56:31 delivers Washings and caramels carnal
01:56:34 ordinances it’s just a lot of Moses this
01:56:36 is the law of Moses so my my I think as
01:56:40 we looking into this
01:56:42 my inclination I think is it’s born out
01:56:46 it’s borne out it’s slow Moses that’s
01:56:48 what it is it’s pouring out dude yeah
01:56:52 because the drinks that’s law of Moses
01:56:55 the wash anyways so it it fits it’s the
01:56:58 law of Moses so
01:57:02 um yay I got something right
01:57:06 sometimes sometimes it happens
01:57:08 occasionally
01:57:10 okay so let’s go back to
01:57:14 uh or should we go back to the
01:57:18 oh
01:57:20 should we go back to the new reading bin
01:57:22 since yeah let’s uh I think we’re done
01:57:24 with that side track yeah I think we’re
01:57:26 I think we’re good there
01:57:28 um it actually turned out pretty good
01:57:30 sidetracked there right yeah that was
01:57:32 that was a nice one yeah and I also
01:57:35 thought that they could not keep the
01:57:36 Commandments of the Lord according to
01:57:37 the law of Moses said they should have
01:57:38 the law and I also knew that the law was
01:57:41 engraven upon the plates of brass and
01:57:43 again I knew that the Lord had delivered
01:57:44 Laban into my hands for this cause that
01:57:47 I might obtain the records according to
01:57:49 his Commandments in other words it
01:57:53 wasn’t just his Commandment that he
01:57:54 obtained the records but he was
01:57:55 obtaining the records by the command by
01:58:00 a by The Commandments by the law
01:58:03 foreign
01:58:05 the Lord was delivering the
01:58:08 records into His Hands by legal means by
01:58:12 the command by commandment in a way that
01:58:15 was commanded right and
01:58:19 um you’ll see throughout the Book of
01:58:20 Mormon it talks about how
01:58:23 we’re strictly keeping the law of Moses
01:58:27 and we know it’s going away all through
01:58:30 it before the death
01:58:33 and then in fact one type was it uh 35 1
01:58:37 I think it is where where thereabouts
01:58:40 where someone tries to convince people
01:58:42 it should be stopped and he was
01:58:44 corrected and the scriptures were
01:58:46 expounded it was an opinion if
01:58:49 scriptures were expounded to show that
01:58:51 was I had to keep it until the death
01:58:53 mm-hmm and then he accepted it and was
01:58:56 like okay I was wrong right
01:58:58 buddy let’s get back to just get that
01:59:02 sacrificing
01:59:05 not the law of Moses ones which
01:59:08 uh on that point though the fake Third
01:59:12 Temple that’s being pushed by people
01:59:14 right now
01:59:15 that’s what they want to do because
01:59:18 you’ll see this in the Old Testament
01:59:21 Tanakh the New Testament and in the Book
01:59:24 of Mormon it brings out how
01:59:26 the Jews think
01:59:28 those daily performance and ordinances
01:59:30 is what saves them instead of the
01:59:32 Messiah exactly and so they’re still
01:59:35 confused about it or the majority of
01:59:36 them are still confused about because
01:59:38 some are not because there’s the
01:59:40 Messianic Jews right but
01:59:43 they still believe in the world
01:59:46 sorry say that again Messianic Jews are
01:59:49 confused about other things uh yeah
01:59:51 they’re confused about other things
01:59:52 about their false Traditions but at
01:59:54 least they don’t have that one
01:59:57 you know you got to take it you got to
01:59:59 take you got to give you got to give
02:00:02 what they’re you gotta think well still
02:00:04 most of them are Messianic Jews still
02:00:06 think you have to do the daily
02:00:08 performance and ordinances what they do
02:00:10 have right that Yeshua is the promised
02:00:13 Messiah so they got
02:00:16 anyways that’s a whole other subject
02:00:18 you’re a little close well
02:00:22 at least they know who they worship so
02:00:24 that that part’s good right they’re just
02:00:27 not doing it correctly but that’s a
02:00:29 whole other issue
02:00:31 okay and so so moot as we move on
02:00:35 therefore I get obey the voice of the
02:00:37 spirit and took Laban by the hair of the
02:00:39 head and smart off his head with his own
02:00:41 sword now I do believe that if Nephi had
02:00:45 not been shown
02:00:47 that he had not been shown but had not
02:00:50 been shown the law he would not have
02:00:52 done this
02:00:54 well he grew up with the law so I I
02:00:58 think what happened he had to remember
02:01:00 it though he had to remember it yeah
02:01:02 that’s what I was going to say uh just
02:01:03 like when Yeshua was talking to his
02:01:06 Apostles that the Holy Ghost will remind
02:01:10 you of all things he same thing happened
02:01:13 here
02:01:15 and if I I the Jews grew up learning the
02:01:18 law they may not keep it but they do
02:01:22 to somebody or get taught it and if I
02:01:25 got taught it and I I don’t think it was
02:01:26 as bad then it is now so but anyways
02:01:29 all right
02:01:31 um but I do think he was yeah they
02:01:33 didn’t have their issues there was there
02:01:35 was already the beginning of uh
02:01:37 Traditions Traditions creeping in which
02:01:40 made it yeah yeah
02:01:41 I think it’s later Lehman and lamiel
02:01:44 talk about all the the Elders of
02:01:46 Jerusalem were righteous we don’t need
02:01:48 to leave right blah blah blah
02:01:51 um
02:01:51 so says all Wicked Cults and groups
02:01:57 but right right or
02:02:03 it’s yeshua’s righteousness that’s
02:02:06 imputed onto us or given to us to cover
02:02:08 us not because of our own righteousness
02:02:11 because we have sinned
02:02:13 so I now the in this next verse I
02:02:17 actually see some great symbolic value
02:02:19 in this this is part of why I say that
02:02:22 that Nephi is being called as a judge
02:02:26 and we just get I know he does later if
02:02:29 not here
02:02:30 um so and after I had smitten off his
02:02:31 head with his own sword I took the
02:02:33 garments of Laban and put them upon my
02:02:35 mine own body yay even every witch it
02:02:38 may be that the value here is merely
02:02:40 prophetic of what will happen which
02:02:43 verse I’m I’m trying to say thank you
02:02:46 okay
02:02:47 and after I’d smitten off his head with
02:02:49 his own sword I took the garments of
02:02:50 Laban and put them upon my own body yeah
02:02:52 even every wit and that occurred on his
02:02:54 armor about my loins
02:02:57 he puts on the vestments of the judge
02:02:59 yeah because Laban was a unrighteous
02:03:02 judge
02:03:03 um I I can see that
02:03:06 um
02:03:07 yeah and after I had done this I went
02:03:10 forth into onto the treasury of Laban
02:03:12 and as I went forth towards the treasury
02:03:14 of Laban behold I saw the servant of
02:03:16 Laban who had the keys of the treasury I
02:03:18 commanded him in the voice of Laban that
02:03:20 he should go with me into the treasury
02:03:24 that’s always that’s always one of those
02:03:26 things that I’m like wow did he know
02:03:30 Laban well enough to be able to mimic
02:03:31 his points
02:03:33 uh
02:03:35 yeah I I’m not sure what to say about
02:03:37 that but it I have come across that the
02:03:42 servant always forget his name
02:03:49 one of the jobs that the Levites did
02:03:52 was uh Keeper of the treasury
02:03:58 I think there’s good evidence for that I
02:04:01 mean the account doesn’t come out and
02:04:02 directly say it
02:04:04 but when you learn some of these
02:04:07 traditions and things that the Levites
02:04:09 do you get more out of these records
02:04:12 um right and so
02:04:16 um there’s a high likelihood that zorum
02:04:19 is a levite
02:04:21 yeah if he’s if he’s got the keys to the
02:04:23 treasury yeah
02:04:25 I mean it it’s not 100 right
02:04:27 but right it’s highly likely
02:04:31 yeah he’s supposedly to be his master
02:04:33 Laban for he’d be held to garments and
02:04:35 also the sword girded about my loins and
02:04:38 he’s fake unto me concerning the Elders
02:04:40 of the Jews he knowing that his master
02:04:41 Laban had been out by Night among them
02:04:44 and speak unto him as if it had been
02:04:46 Laban and maybe this is just the Lord
02:04:48 blessing him to know what to say and
02:04:51 changing his voice miraculously
02:04:55 I I’m not sure what to say about that
02:04:58 myself
02:05:00 um and here’s why okay
02:05:04 um
02:05:06 there’s only one type of angel that
02:05:08 tries to look like somebody else
02:05:11 that’s true and there’s and that’s only
02:05:13 Satan’s angels and
02:05:16 that’s including
02:05:18 uh uh the supposed which actually didn’t
02:05:21 happen of bringing out transforming into
02:05:24 Joseph Smith right
02:05:26 yeah there’s how God works
02:05:28 yeah so yeah so what is so what are your
02:05:32 thoughts on that
02:05:34 I I don’t know what to think about the
02:05:36 voice part
02:05:37 here’s the thought guys here’s the
02:05:39 thought how many interactions that he
02:05:41 had with League up to that point that’s
02:05:44 something that we don’t know
02:05:46 not many on record right
02:05:50 um
02:05:51 it must make me think not many period
02:05:54 because I don’t know why Nephi would
02:05:55 have been interacting with them in the
02:05:56 for other than this to be honest unless
02:06:01 um I mean there are those who posit that
02:06:05 uh
02:06:06 there are others you put forward that
02:06:07 Lehigh was part of the school of the
02:06:10 prophets as it were
02:06:12 uh no in fact the reason I would go
02:06:15 against that one is because later in the
02:06:18 account
02:06:20 um Nephi didn’t really start keeping
02:06:22 Torah until after they left Jerusalem
02:06:25 okay yeah right and there’s a couple
02:06:28 places that’s talked about in The Book
02:06:29 of Mormon that’s strong so I I don’t buy
02:06:33 that theory because of that statement
02:06:35 okay and to be a prophet you’re keeping
02:06:39 Torah
02:06:40 yeah that’s and even I mean if you
02:06:44 understand second meet by 32
02:06:47 you don’t get more until you keep the
02:06:50 Torah of course profit is more
02:06:53 that’s true that’s true so
02:06:58 the yeah that’s that’s
02:07:00 can you go into multiple probations
02:07:03 no there are multiple probations is a
02:07:07 lie uh we can get into that if you want
02:07:10 or or would you want to keep going
02:07:14 been or
02:07:15 I think we’re pretty much done with what
02:07:18 I wanted to go into okay that’s good I
02:07:20 mean we could look at some of the
02:07:20 symbolic meetings but I think Erica
02:07:23 wants to go to reincarnation
02:07:26 um so
02:07:28 I one thing we could do I have a post on
02:07:32 that you’ll never hear me say that
02:07:38 oops
02:07:43 let’s start there and then we can
02:07:46 uh and I have more notes since I’ve
02:07:48 written that post but it’s a nice
02:07:50 starting point
02:07:56 yeah because the whole Phil Davis
02:07:59 teaching on that really did a number on
02:08:02 my brain
02:08:03 sure so I want the truth I don’t want
02:08:06 his opinion or he or he thinks or
02:08:09 whatever
02:08:10 well sure the scriptures are really kind
02:08:13 of plain on it yeah it is and we let’s
02:08:17 just start with this and then we can I
02:08:19 can add more I’m sure Ben can add more
02:08:22 um
02:08:23 but this this is just a nice starting
02:08:25 point because it’s written
02:08:29 anyways so dear friend because this was
02:08:33 something I wrote to a friend to try to
02:08:34 help with this and
02:08:37 um here are the verses in Alma 13.
02:08:41 people like to use but never like to
02:08:43 talk about the word foreknowledge and
02:08:46 what
02:08:47 it means so
02:08:50 uh because this this is one of the
02:08:51 verses or I guess there’s two verses
02:08:54 here that people like to use
02:08:57 uh to try to preach
02:09:00 reincarnation I mean they’re saying
02:09:02 multiple mortal probations
02:09:04 but
02:09:06 a mortal probation is to carnate
02:09:09 and to do it again is to reincarnate
02:09:12 this is reincarnation
02:09:14 they’re just trying to put a different
02:09:15 spin on the name to avoid the negative
02:09:18 connotation that it deserves
02:09:22 um and this is the manner after which
02:09:25 they were ordained being called and
02:09:28 prepared
02:09:30 from the foundation of the world so
02:09:33 the people they’re talking about here
02:09:36 they were prepared before the foundation
02:09:39 of the world
02:09:41 so before we got a physical body
02:09:43 according to the foreknowledge of God
02:09:48 um
02:09:49 so we can go open it up but I have the
02:09:51 definition let’s look at that before we
02:09:53 continue I put it in the post a little
02:09:56 different than I used to but
02:09:58 anyways
02:09:59 here is what Noah Webster’s Dictionary
02:10:02 says about the definition of
02:10:04 foreknowledge foreknowledge knowledge of
02:10:08 a thing before it happens
02:10:11 pre-science
02:10:14 questions oh yeah princess I can’t say
02:10:18 that pre-sessions
02:10:20 yeah if I know
02:10:24 or if I foreknew foreknowledge had no
02:10:29 influence on their fault I I’m sure
02:10:32 that’s from the dictionary that doesn’t
02:10:34 make sense to me right now yeah that’s
02:10:37 actually a sense that’s actually using
02:10:39 the word foreknowledge in a second I
02:10:40 know but if I four knew foreknowledge
02:10:43 had no
02:10:45 it actually does make sense even and
02:10:48 basically even if I knew beforehand what
02:10:49 they were going to do that doesn’t
02:10:51 change the fact that it’s their fault
02:10:53 that’s basically yeah I I
02:10:56 okay that makes sense what you’re saying
02:10:58 I see that now okay all right
02:11:01 um so back up to
02:11:05 well I think I left off here so because
02:11:08 of the foreknowledge of God
02:11:10 called and prepared people before the
02:11:13 foundation of the world uh in fact
02:11:17 uh one that you might like question a
02:11:21 question
02:11:23 asked is is it is it possible to have
02:11:26 faith to exercise faith in the exercise
02:11:29 faith in the presence of God or is Faith
02:11:32 something that gives us to the presence
02:11:33 of God God exercise space so I would say
02:11:37 yes
02:11:38 she’s got to exercise
02:11:40 and creation of the world and
02:11:44 um Hebrews
02:11:47 11 says that and lectures on faith says
02:11:50 that that’s true
02:11:52 um and so a lot of this depends on what
02:11:55 your definition of faith is
02:11:56 um I like
02:11:58 the two ways
02:12:00 important points of Faith as I see it
02:12:04 is trust and diligence
02:12:07 yeah I can trust God and be diligent in
02:12:10 his presence
02:12:12 yeah that’s true in Torah the the most
02:12:17 famous example of faith and Torah is
02:12:21 Moses holding up the staff during the
02:12:26 war
02:12:27 oh no the malachites
02:12:31 um and in addition showing how we’re
02:12:33 supposed to take each other by the hand
02:12:35 and help each other Aaron and his nephew
02:12:38 helped Moses do it when Moses was
02:12:41 getting tired yep but when you look at
02:12:44 that image in fact
02:12:46 um
02:12:48 uh let’s go to the image because I
02:12:50 actually put one in the group
02:12:54 um recently right I think I did on that
02:12:57 one
02:12:58 it’s just it’s a good picture so let’s
02:13:00 go look at it
02:13:01 it’ll help with the illustration instead
02:13:03 of me looking funny
02:13:07 uh that one yep so that’s Aaron and a
02:13:12 nephew yeah so they’re whole helping him
02:13:16 hold up the staff so there’s a lot to
02:13:19 this we’re supposed to help each other
02:13:21 with yeah
02:13:23 staying diligent
02:13:25 that we can go over uh tons of verses in
02:13:29 Torah Book of Mormon and New Testament
02:13:32 about reproving each other
02:13:35 um which is basically helping us get
02:13:38 back to how we’re supposed to be go back
02:13:40 to enduring to the end also uh here’s
02:13:44 Moses
02:13:45 somewhat in a prayer mode here right
02:13:48 because this is actually how we’re
02:13:50 supposed to pray he’s exhausted
02:13:53 he’s tired but Aaron and his nephew are
02:13:57 now helping him in fact my favorite
02:14:00 expression is or image for this is from
02:14:03 Joseph Smith taking each other by the
02:14:05 hand and bringing each other to heaven
02:14:08 that’s my favorite one there’s other
02:14:11 images of the same principle throughout
02:14:13 the place and this is one of them and
02:14:15 this is the famous one for for the Jews
02:14:17 and it’s good because it’s in Torah
02:14:19 right but he’s holding up the staff
02:14:24 he’s holding up God’s Authority which is
02:14:28 trust and diligence
02:14:31 yeah because you’re trusting his
02:14:33 authority that’s actually that is
02:14:35 actually that is actually something that
02:14:38 makes a lot of sense
02:14:41 you haven’t always seen the results
02:14:47 and trust in God
02:14:49 it’s
02:14:51 trust and diligence
02:14:55 because meaning you do your part too
02:14:57 because when we go look at lectures on
02:14:59 faith
02:15:02 yeah oh of course diligence is the
02:15:04 diligence is a necessity
02:15:06 um
02:15:08 I think first that don’t have faith if
02:15:11 you’re not diligent yeah you can’t have
02:15:13 faith if you’re not doing it faith
02:15:14 without works is dead because it’s not
02:15:16 real Faith yes so pointless
02:15:21 yeah and then ether 12 gets into that
02:15:23 too but so does James and uh same with
02:15:26 the Moroni seven
02:15:29 um anyways
02:15:31 um but lectures on faith one gets into
02:15:33 that if I remember correctly if it’s not
02:15:35 one it’s
02:15:37 uh let’s see
02:15:42 yeah so when you’re when you’re uh two
02:15:45 might get into it too
02:15:47 um it’s been a while since I’ve read
02:15:48 like the thing is is that when you’re
02:15:51 admired in an incorrect definition of
02:15:53 faith
02:15:54 the idea of people exercising faith in
02:15:57 the presence of God seems
02:16:00 um
02:16:02 yes if you have the wrong definition but
02:16:05 if you have the right definition you
02:16:06 have the right to understand yeah it’s
02:16:08 like oh yeah of course yeah
02:16:13 the
02:16:17 so the demons right okay let’s look at
02:16:20 the example of the Demons they
02:16:24 have to honor his authority and they do
02:16:28 because they know but they’re not
02:16:31 diligent in what he tells them to do
02:16:33 exactly
02:16:36 so I mean was is it James I think it
02:16:39 says
02:16:40 you have faith well done so do the
02:16:42 demons and they tremble I think is yeah
02:16:47 um
02:16:49 faith without works is dead because
02:16:53 part of it is the diligence and the
02:16:56 demons don’t do that because they’re not
02:16:58 they recognize the authority but they
02:17:00 don’t hold it up they actually are
02:17:01 trying to tear it down right but they
02:17:04 can’t and they know it they’re just
02:17:06 telling us they’re tickling our ears
02:17:09 trying to think that it’s they can
02:17:12 when they know they can’t because when
02:17:14 God speaks they have to obey and then on
02:17:17 top of that in job right Satan can only
02:17:21 do what God allows
02:17:25 yep
02:17:26 he knows God is the ultimate in charge
02:17:34 sorry go ahead
02:17:36 sorry to interrupt you I’m gonna it’s
02:17:38 gonna Escape my brain um if I don’t see
02:17:41 it now sorry
02:17:43 um Phil when he came over to deliver me
02:17:46 right
02:17:48 um he was saying how the
02:17:53 um disembodied spirits that chose to
02:17:55 follow Satan could be saved
02:17:58 no and he would tell them go into the
02:18:02 light and they will give you more
02:18:04 instructions because you weren’t part
02:18:07 um of the light and and uh Lucifer
02:18:10 learned
02:18:12 um that in the part of the light and you
02:18:15 didn’t know it and so you received it in
02:18:18 darkness and so God did not judge you
02:18:20 for that and you can
02:18:22 um be redeemed and when he said that my
02:18:25 brain just went
02:18:28 according to scripture they made their
02:18:31 choice and that was it and God kicked
02:18:34 him he can’t go back on his word or he
02:18:36 will cease to be God well yeah they they
02:18:40 didn’t keep their feast first to stay I
02:18:42 I don’t remember where that’s at but I
02:18:45 do know that some scriptures
02:18:47 um no was that in your favorite Alma
02:18:50 chapters
02:18:52 uh that’s not number 40 but Alma 40 is a
02:18:56 good one to talk about The Reincarnation
02:18:58 stuff when we get back to that right
02:19:02 it’s around that area like where he’s
02:19:05 talking to his sons I I I want to say
02:19:08 that he’s talking to his son one of his
02:19:11 sons about the Estates
02:19:15 that’s going to be the last Wicked son
02:19:18 um
02:19:19 and I
02:19:22 I I I don’t think there’s one at Target
02:19:26 let’s go find out
02:19:28 it’s it’s easy to do control F to find
02:19:32 out yes all right so at least it is on
02:19:36 the computer that’s why I I you so
02:19:42 for simple control s’s on chapters this
02:19:46 app the LDS church app is pretty good
02:19:48 but if you want advanced stuff you
02:19:50 should get my app
02:19:53 which I give out for free
02:19:55 I’ll just give a link
02:19:59 in fact if we don’t find it we can go
02:20:01 use it after this to see if we can find
02:20:03 it
02:20:04 um
02:20:06 yeah it’s it’s not the most user finally
02:20:09 though but I can help you learn how to
02:20:11 use it
02:20:12 um
02:20:13 so Alma
02:20:14 I think that’s that Sun’s gonna start
02:20:18 around
02:20:22 all right so you want me to search this
02:20:25 state
02:20:26 yeah okay not 39. do you want state or
02:20:30 East State
02:20:32 estate okay
02:20:40 nope
02:20:45 there it is it’s all over foreign
02:20:55 EST that’s restoration
02:21:01 I think 42 is the last one it is
02:21:06 yeah let’s just go one more make sure
02:21:08 because I think 43 yeah
02:21:10 they start they go back
02:21:12 um
02:21:14 here hold on I’ll I’ll do a quick
02:21:18 search on on the uh
02:21:26 kept not his first estate that’s an I
02:21:29 think I tend to think that’s more Moses
02:21:32 or Abraham yeah or maybe DNC
02:21:36 um
02:21:38 oh
02:21:39 I
02:21:41 there might be something in the Psalms
02:21:43 on Satan not keeping it
02:21:46 um
02:21:47 but that’s just not one that I’m real
02:21:52 Abraham three okay yeah or yeah
02:21:55 basically differentiates between
02:21:59 the uh
02:22:01 well and here’s another
02:22:04 chapter that could potentially talk
02:22:07 about
02:22:10 and uh
02:22:13 well it talks about coordination
02:22:18 early sure sure yeah that’s fine in fact
02:22:21 um
02:22:23 kind of along with the ring what verse
02:22:28 calm down you guys might like this
02:22:32 um but let’s go back to dinner
02:22:37 so um a state and Abraham’s it I mean
02:22:42 it’s it’s clustered in verse 26 and 27
02:22:45 and 28.
02:22:47 yeah so we can you want to read those
02:22:50 Matt or yeah
02:22:52 and they kept their first estate shall
02:22:55 be added upon and they who keep not
02:22:58 their first estate shall not have glory
02:23:01 in the same Kingdom with those who kept
02:23:03 who keep their first state there we go
02:23:05 but I mean that says enough but we can
02:23:07 to contradict field but we can keep
02:23:09 going
02:23:10 and they who keep their second estate
02:23:12 shall have Glory outed upon their heads
02:23:15 forever and ever
02:23:16 and the Lord said to whom I shall whom
02:23:19 shall I send and one answered like unto
02:23:22 the son of man here are mice and me and
02:23:25 another answered and said here am I send
02:23:28 me and the Lord said I will send the
02:23:30 first the second was angry and kept not
02:23:32 his first estate and at that day many
02:23:35 followed after him they made the choice
02:23:39 to follow after Satan
02:23:42 sorry say that one more time they
02:23:44 actively made the choice to follow Satan
02:23:48 yeah yeah they made a choice and this
02:23:51 first part says they didn’t keep their
02:23:53 first estate so they get no glory
02:23:55 right they shall not have glorious in
02:23:57 Kingdom of those who keep their first
02:23:58 distance so I I have an interesting
02:24:01 reading here uh in verse 27. because
02:24:04 most people
02:24:06 think this is regarding
02:24:09 Yeshua and Satan
02:24:12 I read this as Michael and Satan
02:24:16 I’ll tell you why
02:24:19 like unto the son of man
02:24:23 if you are the son of man you can’t be
02:24:25 like this on a man you are the son of
02:24:27 man right here well and that’s that’s
02:24:31 another reason why with the mighty and
02:24:32 strong one just a small little detour
02:24:36 likened unto Joseph Smith is the man
02:24:39 whom I like and unto the servant he
02:24:44 doesn’t say he is that as he Likens him
02:24:48 to the serpent uh you know that’s a very
02:24:49 I hadn’t thought about that point but
02:24:51 yeah because
02:24:52 I I know it’s not Joe Smith so I haven’t
02:24:54 put a lot of thought into that one but
02:24:55 that’s a very good point there Matt
02:24:57 exactly like the one I just made with
02:24:59 Michael right there well I mean here’s
02:25:03 the thing so if you understand even
02:25:06 basic simple analogies
02:25:10 that they teach in high school there are
02:25:13 some of things that are like or as
02:25:15 something not exactly the same there’s a
02:25:18 comparison
02:25:19 and so if like the word lichen is a
02:25:23 comparison they’re not the same thing
02:25:25 yeah
02:25:28 those who teach Joseph Smith the mighty
02:25:30 one or twisting scriptures I don’t know
02:25:33 how to know how to handle all this
02:25:35 there’s too much light going on I mean
02:25:38 it’s so sad they even twist scriptures
02:25:40 that are about yeshua’s first and second
02:25:43 coming into Joseph Smith talk about
02:25:45 worshiping Joseph Smith
02:25:47 which I don’t do
02:25:49 but I I would say some people do what
02:25:53 Joseph Smith did Joseph Smith was very
02:25:56 was a very huge part in
02:25:59 uh helping the work of the Lord move
02:26:03 forward
02:26:06 the thing I’m most grateful for is this
02:26:09 translation of the Book of Mormon yes in
02:26:12 fact that’s mostly the only thing I
02:26:13 studied but he did because a lot of his
02:26:15 other stuff are so corrupted so I don’t
02:26:18 touch him much I I do something the jst
02:26:21 is not corrupt I actually do trust that
02:26:23 but a lot of the stuff that he said
02:26:25 has been modified so I just that’s true
02:26:28 that’s true no that’s what I’m saying
02:26:30 like the judge the translation though oh
02:26:33 yeah that’s good a lot of Joseph Smith’s
02:26:36 quotes have been run through the Brigham
02:26:37 Young ringer so often yeah
02:26:43 I do have some that I like
02:26:46 but I test them to the scriptures first
02:26:49 yes
02:26:51 because
02:26:52 for the most part the scriptures haven’t
02:26:55 been modified the the DNC some has in
02:26:58 fact that’s why um
02:27:00 you do realize that Joseph Smith taught
02:27:02 Torah yeah
02:27:04 uh he taught bits and pieces of it he
02:27:07 didn’t call it that but it he did teach
02:27:10 pieces of it he didn’t restore at all
02:27:12 though but when I go to the DNC I like
02:27:15 this like compare DNC
02:27:19 that’s a it’s a good site
02:27:22 yeah
02:27:24 you can go look at the different
02:27:25 versions
02:27:29 yeah oh that is awesome well anyways and
02:27:33 then the other thing I do
02:27:46 was that Doctrine and convent convents
02:27:49 no I’m just kidding
02:27:53 anyways uh just in fact you’ll see my
02:27:57 post this is where I get those numbers
02:27:58 yeah right because my DNC ones I’ll I’ll
02:28:02 post up to four
02:28:05 or five
02:28:06 um LDS rlds
02:28:09 1833 35 and 44. this is where I get the
02:28:12 numbers
02:28:15 and okay the fact that in the fact that
02:28:17 they’ve changed and what have you yeah
02:28:20 yeah and so on my
02:28:24 my list of ones that I don’t
02:28:26 believe in right
02:28:30 um oops
02:28:39 so I’ve read these sections and I see
02:28:41 problems in these okay
02:28:46 um
02:28:47 but it’s I find it interesting
02:28:50 that
02:28:52 uh
02:28:53 most if not all of these
02:28:56 our LDS church never had
02:28:59 yeah well uh one let’s take a look at
02:29:02 120 what problems did you find with 124
02:29:05 I’m interested to see that one 124
02:29:07 problems 124.
02:29:11 okay well first of all maybe we should
02:29:14 uh go back to Erica’s with The
02:29:17 Reincarnation because that one might be
02:29:18 a higher priority if that’s okay okay
02:29:20 yeah yeah yeah yeah
02:29:22 sorry shiny things shiny things yeah
02:29:26 yeah I I do shiny objects too
02:29:29 I have the same problem so no no worse
02:29:32 yeah yeah well I
02:29:35 I think it’s good to a point but also we
02:29:37 gotta remember what we were trying to do
02:29:40 so you
02:29:43 to go along with Alma 13 you might like
02:29:45 this post
02:29:47 um my Abraham three
02:29:49 22 23 chiasm
02:29:52 um but anyways
02:29:54 it’s just some of these guys
02:29:57 will teach the intelligent souls and
02:29:59 Spirits or three different things no the
02:30:01 scriptures actually and dictionary
02:30:03 definitions shows the same and this is a
02:30:05 good verse that shows
02:30:08 talking about the same group of people
02:30:10 using three different words
02:30:12 actually Four because if you include
02:30:14 Abraham that’s four because he’s part of
02:30:15 it right but anyways let’s go back to
02:30:18 this though
02:30:20 um if uh I forget where we left off
02:30:24 okay four dollars on the count of their
02:30:27 exceeding face okay that’s how we got
02:30:28 sidetracked yeah
02:30:31 um so they’re in the presence of God and
02:30:33 they had faith I mean with the correct
02:30:35 definition of faith I think it’s fine
02:30:36 yeah
02:30:39 and good works
02:30:43 so the foreknowledge God’s foreknowledge
02:30:46 of their faith and good works
02:30:51 so this is pre-existence that he
02:30:53 prepared us because of his foreknowledge
02:30:57 of what we would do in mortality
02:31:05 that’s how I get that first part there
02:31:11 okay
02:31:14 looks like Ben’s thinking
02:31:16 um it’s not it’s not it’s not ready to
02:31:20 bring out into the open yet all right
02:31:22 okay so in that next sentence though
02:31:24 it’s an in it like with the thought that
02:31:27 you’re bringing up here prior
02:31:30 in the first place are we talking uh
02:31:33 being left to choose good and evil or a
02:31:36 good or evil are we talking like now
02:31:38 they’re separated from the presence of
02:31:40 God and they’re left or they were
02:31:44 so do you choose good or evil in the
02:31:48 first place
02:31:49 so in the pre-existence we could choose
02:31:52 good or evil in fact Satan did right
02:31:54 right those who followed him but I to me
02:31:59 how I’m reading this the context is the
02:32:01 foreknowledge of God so this is talking
02:32:04 about
02:32:05 um our good works and mortality is how I
02:32:08 read that because of the context of
02:32:11 foreknowledge good words prior to the
02:32:14 actual ordination as opposed to the
02:32:16 forwarding oh c-h-c-h-c I got you okay
02:32:19 because I
02:32:23 I okay
02:32:25 uh therefore they haven’t been chosen
02:32:30 and X meaning
02:32:32 are called and few are chosen and what’s
02:32:35 the difference is that you actually do
02:32:37 what you’re supposed to
02:32:38 right right uh and I actually get into
02:32:41 that more in this post if you want are
02:32:43 they not chosen because they carry them
02:32:46 because of the
02:32:50 too much value of the things in the
02:32:52 world of the world I don’t remember the
02:32:54 exact quote but it’s the scriptures
02:32:55 basically teach
02:32:57 you’re chosen because you keep the
02:32:59 Commandments and you’re not chosen
02:33:01 because you don’t it’s pretty much
02:33:03 pretty much I mean we can get more
02:33:05 details but that’s The quick summary of
02:33:08 it let’s stay out of the we need to move
02:33:10 on yeah yeah okay and exercise
02:33:13 exceedingly great faith
02:33:16 um which is why
02:33:18 you’re chosen because we just looked at
02:33:20 Faith trust and diligence all right on
02:33:23 account of their exceeding faith and
02:33:25 then they that exceeding faith plays out
02:33:28 in mortality
02:33:29 and here we could but thus they are
02:33:32 called with a holy calling and this
02:33:35 because of the foreknowledge of God and
02:33:37 before the foundation of the world
02:33:39 and then or this
02:33:41 uh this was before I started doing
02:33:44 chiasms a lot maybe one day we should
02:33:46 put this in a quiet room but anyways
02:33:49 um
02:33:49 I do it a lot more than I used to now
02:33:51 okay with that Holy calling which was
02:33:54 prepared with and according to a
02:33:55 preparatory prepared so that’s going to
02:33:58 be up in the pre-existence like I was
02:34:00 kind of thinking right Preparatory and
02:34:03 this Preparatory Redemption is a
02:34:05 reference to the fact that the Son of
02:34:07 God was slain the Lamb of God was slain
02:34:09 from the foundation of the world yeah
02:34:11 because he promised to do it and then he
02:34:15 did it right yes
02:34:18 because that’s the only way we’re
02:34:19 redeemed
02:34:20 yeah the fact
02:34:24 um
02:34:25 just to go a little bit what we’re
02:34:27 talking about some before and maybe a
02:34:29 little bit now
02:34:31 the greatest profit according to Yeshua
02:34:35 was John the Baptist right
02:34:39 yeah
02:34:40 and John the Baptist
02:34:42 stated I must decrease and he must
02:34:47 increase
02:34:48 it’s interesting these groups are trying
02:34:52 to keep everybody so locked knit in to
02:34:55 them
02:34:58 instead of
02:35:01 yes we God calls teachers okay and
02:35:06 there’s a place for them
02:35:08 but
02:35:09 as John taught they should decrease
02:35:13 Christ shouldn’t agree and Yeshua
02:35:16 should increase meaning
02:35:18 the dependence upon and where we’re
02:35:21 getting our teachings and so on and so
02:35:23 forth
02:35:24 from them
02:35:26 it should be less and less from the
02:35:28 teacher and more and more from yes
02:35:31 yeah and through Revelation or or
02:35:35 inspiration but when you first start
02:35:39 you do need help of a teacher after all
02:35:41 Paul does say in Romans how do they
02:35:44 learn except they have a teacher yeah
02:35:48 um and that’s after the resurrection
02:35:50 because Paul is obviously after the
02:35:54 resurrection
02:35:58 oh wait I just you know I hear some
02:36:02 restoration is teaching we don’t need
02:36:04 teachers anymore I’m like you really
02:36:06 don’t know the scriptures
02:36:07 yeah first of all even if you’re
02:36:09 supposed to buy the Book of Mormon The
02:36:11 Book of Mormon talks about how teachers
02:36:12 are called and you know things that they
02:36:14 have to abide by right right I mean it’s
02:36:18 even Moroni it’s even in there and
02:36:20 that’s after the resurrection anyways
02:36:22 sorry let’s get off that tangent it
02:36:25 won’t work this High priests have been
02:36:27 after the order of his son which order
02:36:29 was from the foundation of the world
02:36:32 in other words
02:36:34 being without beginning of days or end
02:36:36 of years being prepared from eternity to
02:36:39 all eternity according to his
02:36:41 foreknowledge of all things
02:36:44 so for knowledge meaning he knows
02:36:46 beforehand and from eternity
02:36:48 eternity is it’s never lost
02:36:51 just like Joseph Smith didn’t lose his
02:36:54 priesthood but anyways right
02:37:00 anyways that’s a different that’s a
02:37:03 that’s a story that’s a different that’s
02:37:05 a story for another time yeah yeah we’re
02:37:08 a shiny object
02:37:10 and preparing for reading first of all
02:37:13 Erica and maybe Jared does does that
02:37:17 reverse or actually that’s two verses at
02:37:20 three and seven that we just went over
02:37:22 does
02:37:23 does that make sense do you have any
02:37:26 questions or feedback or anything on
02:37:28 those
02:37:29 yeah it makes sense
02:37:33 um but a key thing in here
02:37:36 is the definition of foreknowledge
02:37:40 the the other thing the other thing is
02:37:42 is that what we have talked about here
02:37:44 is nothing but what is in the scripture
02:37:47 yeah we just expounded the scriptures in
02:37:50 fact here just from
02:37:52 just go back to the one post I showed
02:37:55 that I is my primary focus on right now
02:37:57 there were no logical leaps from the
02:38:00 scriptures there was just the scriptures
02:38:03 yeah it was pretty simple right from
02:38:07 what
02:38:09 so how did it come up with the whole uh
02:38:12 multiple probations thing and how many
02:38:15 times you’ve been on the earth and
02:38:17 that’s the only way we can learn certain
02:38:19 things so and all that exclamation as
02:38:24 regard to Alma 13 is because they ignore
02:38:27 the definition of words and they’re
02:38:29 proof texting their own beliefs into it
02:38:31 and to do that they have to ignore what
02:38:33 it actually says and dictionary
02:38:35 definitions but I believe it started
02:38:39 with Brigham Young
02:38:41 yeah because of his Adam God heresy to
02:38:46 get the Adam God heresy to work you need
02:38:48 reincarnation
02:38:51 or mnp what they call MMP yeah but
02:38:56 reincarnation it’s reincarnation it’s
02:38:59 just another term to make it sound
02:39:01 better
02:39:02 you’re carnating again
02:39:05 oh yeah that’s true
02:39:09 go ahead
02:39:11 other beautiful
02:39:13 sorry so the whole thing you would say
02:39:15 about
02:39:16 Joseph Smith not finishing everything
02:39:19 that God wanted him to finish in his
02:39:21 first probation
02:39:24 no not you I’m talking about Phil uh
02:39:27 yeah
02:39:29 um that he didn’t fulfill all of his uh
02:39:33 duties in his first uh Carnation so he
02:39:38 had to be reincarnated right now in a
02:39:40 different family but it’s him and
02:39:44 um to finish all the other things that
02:39:47 he was supposed to finish in his uh
02:39:49 ministry that’s a lie so we can go over
02:39:52 it again but it’d probably be better for
02:39:54 you to go watch something that I did
02:39:56 with Ben and Matt that actually goes
02:39:58 over this
02:40:01 um but they they’re all just
02:40:05 share this one just so you can see my
02:40:07 notes
02:40:09 so I told you one of my secrets is copy
02:40:12 paste here’s one of the pages I copy
02:40:13 paste from but
02:40:16 um
02:40:17 in this recording we went over DNC 103
02:40:21 101 105 and 85 all on this subject and
02:40:26 I’ll just tell you
02:40:28 put it bluntly
02:40:30 they’re twisting and they don’t
02:40:32 understand what they’re reading because
02:40:34 go go look at this or look watch because
02:40:38 it’s small it’s moving pictures of that
02:40:41 recording
02:40:42 Joseph Smith did what he was supposed to
02:40:44 and it’s pretty plain if you just look
02:40:46 at the text
02:40:48 I’m sorry people but there’s a stream on
02:40:51 that one didn’t we just no that was a
02:40:53 different one that was a different one
02:40:56 this one was this one was this one was
02:40:58 focused on the mighty and strong one
02:41:00 that’s right
02:41:01 yeah
02:41:03 um not Joseph Smith yeah because the
02:41:06 these people who push it push 103 101
02:41:10 and 105. and then we went to 85 because
02:41:13 it’s related
02:41:14 and I just read the verses and looked at
02:41:18 my notes and I and expounded the verses
02:41:21 when we were there and
02:41:22 yeah he did what he’s supposed to
02:41:24 yes
02:41:27 um he’s done but but the facts of the
02:41:30 matter are the the fact that that person
02:41:33 103 the people are using to say that
02:41:35 Joseph Smith is that it’s like The
02:41:38 Smoking Gun Joseph Smith is the end time
02:41:40 servant he actually simply states that
02:41:44 he is likened
02:41:45 to the end time servant so
02:41:50 that’s one of 3 21. yeah
02:41:57 no that’s not the one
02:41:59 is it that one yeah here’s
02:42:02 I mean in the recording we can go look
02:42:05 at it but it’s in the recording we get
02:42:06 more details but
02:42:08 um
02:42:09 probably
02:42:11 so but this word like in here in 103
02:42:17 points to the 101
02:42:19 which Joseph Smith did
02:42:24 I
02:42:28 I
02:42:29 so the parable of Jacob 5 is different
02:42:32 than the parable of
02:42:34 of
02:42:35 101
02:42:37 I mean it uses common terminology and
02:42:41 analogies and terms but they’re
02:42:45 different parables
02:42:47 for one Jacob five is a lot longer
02:42:50 foreign
02:42:53 I forget how many verses it is but it’s
02:42:56 it’s I think it’s the longest chapter in
02:42:58 The Book of Mormon
02:42:59 77 verses I think uh anyways
02:43:03 um
02:43:05 but
02:43:07 um
02:43:09 I I prefer you to go watch the video
02:43:13 um because I think it’s
02:43:14 let’s see how long it is it’s kind of
02:43:16 long so we we it’s not something we just
02:43:19 did
02:43:20 uh it’s an hour and 40 minutes so we
02:43:23 went into bit of depth into it
02:43:26 um and so
02:43:29 um watch that if you still have
02:43:31 questions I prefer to talk about it more
02:43:33 after that so that we can go more of The
02:43:35 Reincarnation questions for you just uh
02:43:38 yeah let’s go back to reincarnation well
02:43:42 and is that okay with you Erica
02:43:45 just try to get more done
02:43:49 yes of course okay well yeah it’s just
02:43:51 I’m
02:43:53 the focus for me is to try to help but
02:43:55 um I think that recording will be
02:43:57 helpful and so that way we can cover on
02:43:59 some other things and you can watch that
02:44:01 and the next time you come we could talk
02:44:03 about those even more if if you still
02:44:06 want more
02:44:07 because I I think all three of us have
02:44:11 more than what’s in that recording it’s
02:44:13 just that’s what we did because anyways
02:44:16 I know I have a lot more
02:44:18 I love you
02:44:21 um and some of it’s for a post that’s
02:44:23 coming up you’ve never heard me say that
02:44:24 yeah I don’t know but I want to put
02:44:28 these things in posts when it comes up
02:44:31 and it’s helpful I teach it
02:44:34 I don’t just hide it I give it when it’s
02:44:36 appropriate to help
02:44:39 but anyways
02:44:41 um okay preparing for reading element 13
02:44:44 again for this discussion I re I read
02:44:46 element 12 to get more context
02:44:49 here are some scriptures that I believe
02:44:51 apply
02:44:52 well eight
02:44:54 and zezram began to inquire him
02:44:56 diligently that he might know more
02:44:58 concerning the kingdom of God and he
02:45:01 said unto Alma what does this mean which
02:45:03 amulek had spoken concerning the
02:45:05 resurrection of the Dead that all shall
02:45:06 rise from the dead but the just and the
02:45:08 unjust and are brought to stand before
02:45:10 God to be judged according to their
02:45:12 works
02:45:13 on the 12 18. then I say unto you they
02:45:17 shall be as though there have been no
02:45:19 Redemption made for they cannot be
02:45:21 redeemed according to God’s justice and
02:45:23 they cannot die seeing there is no more
02:45:25 corruption okay so big part let’s stop
02:45:29 here
02:45:30 yeah cannot die again what is so
02:45:34 is talking about the physical death here
02:45:37 the separation of spirit and body
02:45:41 yeah what do you have Incarnation or
02:45:44 their pet term for it multiple mortal
02:45:48 probations
02:45:49 that means you have to have your body
02:45:52 your spirit go on to another physical
02:45:55 body but wait a minute but to first do
02:45:57 that you have to die which is separation
02:46:00 and Alma 12 says that doesn’t happen
02:46:06 and there’s other verses in the Book of
02:46:08 Mormon says it too some more directly
02:46:10 than others but
02:46:13 yeah so that’s a good one that’s a good
02:46:17 one for that case right there very good
02:46:19 that destroys reincarnation or their pet
02:46:22 term multiple mortal probations
02:46:25 right exactly dying is separation of
02:46:29 physical body and the spiritual body yep
02:46:34 and if you cannot a man is there’s
02:46:37 another one from the Bible man is
02:46:38 appointed once to die yeah yeah that’s
02:46:42 pretty clear too but I think I think
02:46:43 this one
02:46:46 I I
02:46:47 I mean that was pretty blind yeah out in
02:46:51 the 12 20 but there was one antiona who
02:46:54 was the chief ruler among them came
02:46:56 forth and said unto them who is this
02:46:58 that what is this that thou has said
02:47:00 that man should rise from the dead and
02:47:02 be changed from this Mortal to an
02:47:04 immortal State the soul can never die oh
02:47:07 wait wait a minute
02:47:09 I can never die okay
02:47:12 yeah there it is again
02:47:15 well 24.
02:47:17 and we see that death comes upon mankind
02:47:20 yeah the death which has been spoken of
02:47:22 by amulet which is the temporal death
02:47:24 nevertheless there’s a space granted
02:47:26 unto man in which he might repent
02:47:28 therefore this life became a
02:47:30 probationary State time to prepare to
02:47:33 meet God a time to prepare for that
02:47:36 endless state which has been spoken of
02:47:38 by us which is after the resurrection of
02:47:42 the Dead okay there’s a couple points in
02:47:44 here
02:47:45 first I want to bring out what does
02:47:47 Endless mean
02:47:55 I I mean it’s I’m laughing because it’s
02:47:58 funny that I have to do this but
02:48:01 not necessarily for you Erica but other
02:48:03 people that might be watching this
02:48:07 perpetual
02:48:10 without it
02:48:12 Without End I
02:48:15 yeah conclusions
02:48:19 um
02:48:20 no conclusion
02:48:23 um
02:48:24 okay
02:48:26 anyways I but I’m telling you
02:48:32 and I
02:48:35 what is this simple
02:48:37 obvious
02:48:39 reading of endless state after the
02:48:42 resurrection
02:48:47 and people look to Doctrine and
02:48:50 Covenants section 19 and muddy the water
02:48:54 um yeah we can look at that originally
02:48:56 the ones that I know of off top my head
02:48:57 that they get from the DNC
02:48:59 is they forget the context is talking
02:49:02 about multiple people because they love
02:49:04 to bring out how it says Eternal lives
02:49:07 yeah but then this talking the context
02:49:10 is multiple people and so proper English
02:49:12 it’s well what I’m talking about what
02:49:15 I’m talking about is there’s their
02:49:17 attack on and on the idea of endless
02:49:20 oh I don’t know that one um I think it’s
02:49:24 doctor and Covenant section 19 or it
02:49:26 talks about endless is my name therefore
02:49:28 endless punishment it’s God’s punishment
02:49:30 how do they turn that into reincarnation
02:49:34 no it’s the no it’s an attack on the
02:49:37 meaning of endless
02:49:39 after this life
02:49:41 the endless state of things after this
02:49:44 life okay
02:49:48 maybe I misunderstood you because I
02:49:50 think that’s basically basically what
02:49:52 they’re saying is it just means that
02:49:53 it’s
02:49:54 God’s punishment
02:49:58 exactly doesn’t mean that it’s actually
02:50:00 endless it just means it’s God’s
02:50:02 punishment
02:50:03 okay
02:50:05 that’s weird because I’m a 42 is a good
02:50:08 one for Endless punishment also
02:50:11 I think the way in there is as Eternal
02:50:14 as the soul and soul is another word for
02:50:16 spirit and our Spirits are eternal
02:50:19 oh this is why which is why they can’t
02:50:21 be transmigrating between bodies this is
02:50:24 why the doctrine of transmigration is
02:50:26 dumb transmigration of souls is of the
02:50:28 devil according to is that another word
02:50:30 for multiple probations yes it hasn’t
02:50:34 heard that one yeah transmigration of
02:50:37 souls yeah that’s it was uh it was
02:50:39 something that was taught to him by a
02:50:41 false prophet and there was oh is that
02:50:44 referring to the quote where Joseph Miss
02:50:45 says it’s false and it’s a doctrine of
02:50:49 devils yeah but then these
02:50:52 reincarnation
02:50:55 pools I I can actually state that from
02:50:58 scriptures so anyways
02:51:01 um
02:51:02 they try to say well MMP is not that but
02:51:06 it actually is when you look at the
02:51:08 description what they say it is
02:51:10 when you look at what the guy was
02:51:12 describing yeah that’s exactly that yeah
02:51:17 anyways it’s just them trying to twist
02:51:20 out of it
02:51:22 oh yeah
02:51:23 that’s because I forgot that was the was
02:51:25 that the term that was used in that
02:51:26 quote
02:51:28 not transmigration of souls okay I just
02:51:31 like it’s been a while since I’ve heard
02:51:32 that then because I forgot that it was
02:51:35 Alma 1232.
02:51:38 therefore God gave unto them
02:51:39 Commandments I wanted to say one another
02:51:42 thing about 24. let me
02:51:47 oh this also brings out how you can’t
02:51:50 repent after you die
02:51:52 right in this verse
02:51:54 which destroys baptisms for the dead
02:51:57 because
02:51:59 uh there’s no point to make baptism of
02:52:02 the Dead work they have to repent after
02:52:04 they’re dead and you can’t
02:52:07 there’s there’s lots of places that say
02:52:09 it but this distance we’re here I’m just
02:52:11 bringing things out in these verses
02:52:15 but anyways okay
02:52:17 32 minutes
02:52:19 yeah that’s an interesting that creates
02:52:22 an interesting
02:52:23 uh I’ll have to look at that verse
02:52:26 before I before I bring that up but I
02:52:28 need to look at it okay well I have a
02:52:31 first Corinthians
02:52:35 oh
02:52:37 we can talk about that
02:52:40 um let’s finish this and we can go to
02:52:42 that or we maybe do that next time
02:52:43 because yeah yeah let’s go so I’ll tell
02:52:46 you real quick the answer to what you’re
02:52:48 thinking of
02:52:49 in Hebrew tradition and thought process
02:52:52 when you sin you’re dead and within that
02:52:56 chapter Paul says I Die daily
02:53:00 well there you go
02:53:03 um I that’s true
02:53:06 when you sin you die
02:53:09 and those who are dead need repentance
02:53:12 to get forgiven right to become alive
02:53:16 the answer is easy when you understand
02:53:18 the Hebrew context what’s going on
02:53:21 yeah anyways we can get more depth than
02:53:24 that but the answer the basic
02:53:26 main point on that
02:53:28 in Hebrew thought when you said you’re
02:53:31 dead there you go yeah and even in that
02:53:34 chapter Paul says I’ve died
02:53:37 and he he couldn’t actually physically
02:53:40 be dead
02:53:41 otherwise he wrote the letter yeah
02:53:46 right
02:53:47 anyways sorry at that point we got a
02:53:51 point
02:53:52 okay go back to 32.
02:53:55 okay therefore God gave unto them
02:53:58 Commandments after having made known
02:53:59 unto them the Plan of Redemption that
02:54:01 they should not do evil the penalty
02:54:03 thereof being a second death which was
02:54:05 never lasting debt is the things
02:54:07 pertaining unto righteousness for on
02:54:09 such The Plan of Redemption could have
02:54:11 no power for the works of Justice could
02:54:13 not be destroyed according to the
02:54:14 Supreme goodness of God so one thing
02:54:18 that these reincarnation people like to
02:54:21 point out is well the scriptures talk
02:54:23 about two different deaths
02:54:25 and my response is do you know what
02:54:27 those two different deaths are
02:54:30 [Music]
02:54:31 because the first one’s physical and the
02:54:34 second one is spiritual and it’s defined
02:54:36 that way all throughout the scriptures
02:54:38 right
02:54:40 it’s because death is separation
02:54:45 is it’s a there’s separation from our
02:54:47 physical body and there’s separation
02:54:49 from God
02:54:51 yeah
02:54:53 and these reincarnation nuts
02:55:01 they’re trying to twist the first and
02:55:02 second deaths into different things
02:55:05 they’re forgetting what the scriptures
02:55:07 actually State about the two different
02:55:09 deaths
02:55:12 anyways
02:55:13 get more content
02:55:15 yeah
02:55:17 yeah
02:55:18 context and this one even brings out how
02:55:21 the second death has to do with the Plan
02:55:23 of Redemption which is separation or not
02:55:26 from God right right exactly because
02:55:31 everybody gets their physical death
02:55:33 taken care of at the righteous and the
02:55:36 wicked
02:55:37 [Music]
02:55:40 um I wonder what happens to all those
02:55:42 physical bodies of wicked people
02:55:45 oh if they didn’t get resurrected no if
02:55:48 they get well the resurrection happens
02:55:50 to everyone yeah
02:55:53 um
02:55:54 well as in elementary with all those
02:56:01 well they depending how Wicked they are
02:56:03 they go to different places
02:56:05 according to the 76
02:56:08 but outside of that
02:56:11 and then there’s those who get assigned
02:56:14 who get consigned to we don’t know what
02:56:16 it’s called but they’re consigned to
02:56:18 dwell with the devil and his angels oh
02:56:20 you can call outer Darkness that’s fine
02:56:22 I know what you mean but the DMC 76
02:56:25 doesn’t say that but yeah
02:56:29 um you know in some ways even though it
02:56:32 doesn’t actually state it I actually
02:56:33 wonder if it’s the same thing
02:56:35 but that’s a personal opinion not
02:56:37 scriptural right
02:56:39 so let’s let’s read down by 11.
02:56:45 real quick Erica did those uh on the 12
02:56:48 verses make sense
02:56:52 because we’re primarily trying to help
02:56:54 her on this all right
02:56:57 uh Erica you there
02:57:00 I don’t hear you
02:57:03 sorry yes I’m here
02:57:06 so any thoughts comments clarifications
02:57:11 on the alma 12s
02:57:14 yes that makes a lot of sense we were
02:57:16 just discussing it right now me and my
02:57:19 husband about it that you know anything
02:57:21 about it
02:57:24 no he got it he understood
02:57:28 all right okay
02:57:32 look at picking context and to get more
02:57:35 context
02:57:36 of more more context
02:57:41 Elmo 11. I’m 11 41. therefore the wicked
02:57:45 remain as though there have been no
02:57:46 Redemption made except it be the loosing
02:57:49 of the bands of death for behold the day
02:57:51 cometh that all shall rise from the dead
02:57:53 and stand before God to be and be judged
02:57:55 according to their works so all are
02:57:58 resurrected they’re righteous and the
02:58:00 wicked I mean it doesn’t
02:58:01 come out and say it but what it’s
02:58:03 describing is all are resurrected right
02:58:06 yes
02:58:08 Alma 11 42. now there is a death which
02:58:10 is called a temporal death the death of
02:58:12 Christ shall lose the bands of this
02:58:14 temporal death that all shall be raised
02:58:15 from this temporal death
02:58:17 so that’s the first death right
02:58:20 and 11 43 the spirit and the body shall
02:58:23 be reunited again in its proper frame
02:58:25 even the proper perfect and it’s perfect
02:58:28 for him both limb and Joints shall be
02:58:30 restored to its proper frame even as we
02:58:32 are not even as we now are at this time
02:58:34 we shall be brought to stand before God
02:58:36 knowing even as we know now and have a
02:58:38 bright recollection of all our guilt so
02:58:41 real quick I’m gonna get my hair back
02:58:43 foreign
02:58:47 and I’m gonna get my teeth back
02:58:52 it’s just um so I mean I was saying that
02:58:56 to partly be funny but
02:58:58 um
02:59:02 oh it’s another verse that says hair is
02:59:05 it do I have it here is it somewhere
02:59:06 else oh it’s 44. well I’ll save that
02:59:09 when we get there
02:59:11 okay now this restoration shall come to
02:59:13 all both old and young both fond and
02:59:16 free both male and female both the
02:59:18 wicked and the righteous and even there
02:59:19 shall not so much as a
02:59:22 hair of their heads be lost but
02:59:26 everything
02:59:28 so another interesting thing just before
02:59:31 we go on
02:59:32 hair has symbolic meaning
02:59:36 hair means Authority
02:59:39 in the symbolic world
02:59:42 and one example that we know that won’t
02:59:44 lose their Authority is Joseph Smith
02:59:47 [Music]
02:59:49 Joseph Smith did not lose one Authority
02:59:53 from his head who’s the head Yeshua
02:59:58 mm-hmm
03:00:00 but everything shall be restored to its
03:00:02 perfect frame as it is now on the body
03:00:04 and shall be brought and be arraigned
03:00:05 before the bar of Christ the son and God
03:00:08 the father and the Holy Spirit which is
03:00:10 one Eternal God to be judged according
03:00:12 to their Works whether they be good or
03:00:13 whether they be evil
03:00:16 and now this you know both old and young
03:00:20 Bond and free and this is physical
03:00:24 bondage and freedom
03:00:27 male and female
03:00:28 and this is the spiritual one what about
03:00:31 getting right what about those who
03:00:33 identify as trees
03:00:35 uh well that’s symbolic
03:00:37 [Laughter]
03:00:41 so I I mean that fits into every
03:00:44 category there right
03:00:48 depending you uh associate with the tree
03:00:50 of life or the tree of
03:00:52 um Good and Evil I mean it still fits
03:01:00 I want to be a woman no I’m just kidding
03:01:03 I’m okay no sir no sir don’t be a
03:01:06 Transformer
03:01:09 the
03:01:12 I liked Transformers a kid but now that
03:01:14 I’ve awoken and arised and know my
03:01:17 scriptures
03:01:18 Transformers are Gnostic
03:01:21 meaning
03:01:25 by the power of the skull oh yeah all
03:01:28 that stuff man yeah I used to watch all
03:01:31 those cartoons too and I go back
03:01:34 Ford
03:01:38 sorry say that again
03:01:40 so we’re watching a naked dude running
03:01:42 around with a sword
03:01:44 not quite naked but yeah it was just
03:01:49 loins around his or cloths around his
03:01:52 mind but I yeah I I haven’t re-watched
03:01:57 um any of human since I’ve woken up
03:02:00 but I’m sure it’s non-stick
03:02:03 I remember watching as a kid I remember
03:02:05 having some He-Man toys yeah yeah
03:02:09 ThunderCats
03:02:12 oh I don’t remember that much oh yeah I
03:02:15 wasn’t just on the cats
03:02:18 the power of my girl
03:02:21 [Music]
03:02:24 I think there was a human acted Out
03:02:28 movie wasn’t there or is it just kind of
03:02:30 like it
03:02:31 yeah and it was terrible yeah
03:02:35 terrifying so one that I like
03:02:40 um
03:02:41 so regarding the polar configuration so
03:02:43 we’ll just Sidetrack a little bit one
03:02:45 that’s about the polar configuration but
03:02:47 I think it was not done very well is The
03:02:48 Dark Crystal
03:02:50 um
03:02:52 configuration all over it but I it’s not
03:02:55 a very good storyline yeah
03:02:57 it’s kind of a crappy movie actually
03:03:00 yeah it is kind of crappy but it’s about
03:03:02 the polar configuration when you once
03:03:05 you study that stuff but anyways which
03:03:08 is a real thing yeah I I believe it and
03:03:13 I I have some quotes that I
03:03:16 believe Joseph Smith knew it from it but
03:03:20 um let’s stay on this and we could do
03:03:22 that another time that’s yeah that’s
03:03:23 that’s another side track that that’s a
03:03:26 that’s an interesting subject for people
03:03:28 who don’t know what it is
03:03:31 and now behold I have spoken unto you
03:03:33 concerning the death of the Mortal body
03:03:35 of Alba 11 45 and also concerning the
03:03:38 resurrection of the Mortal body I say
03:03:40 unto you that this Mortal body is raised
03:03:41 to any Immortal body that is from Death
03:03:43 even from the first death unto life that
03:03:46 they can die no more in fact that’s the
03:03:49 definition of immortal right no death
03:03:53 it’s their Spirits uniting with their
03:03:56 bodies never to be divided
03:03:59 oh wait okay so
03:04:02 what’s the premises of reincarnation or
03:04:05 how whatever your pet term is for it
03:04:08 [Music]
03:04:09 to carnate again
03:04:12 which means to live and die and and this
03:04:17 is saying everybody resurrects good or
03:04:19 evil Bond and free
03:04:22 old and young
03:04:24 everyone’s Resurrected
03:04:26 and
03:04:28 you can’t die your body and your spirit
03:04:31 cannot separate
03:04:32 so
03:04:34 yeah no reincarnation No in fact this
03:04:38 even
03:04:40 so they like to say Mortal Mortal
03:04:43 probations is after like
03:04:45 what is it an eternity of like which is
03:04:48 they Define as like was it
03:04:50 one point something billion years or is
03:04:53 it two anyways it depends on who you
03:04:55 asked oh okay
03:04:57 um
03:05:00 we’re going yeah there are some people
03:05:03 who there are some people who state that
03:05:05 uh
03:05:07 each route each time there is a new
03:05:10 Heaven and a new Earth that’s a that’s a
03:05:13 one Eternal round and yeah oh okay so
03:05:16 let’s go we turn around this yeah
03:05:18 because yeah they do tease that about
03:05:20 reincarnation I don’t have that in that
03:05:22 post and let’s let’s
03:05:27 help you out a little bit
03:05:32 and also uh the whole thing with uh
03:05:36 Ascension the Ascension a list that they
03:05:39 would do is
03:05:41 um so Jesus already had
03:05:45 um been uh you know had a probation like
03:05:49 us on another Earth and then he received
03:05:53 his
03:05:55 um you know uh Immortal body
03:05:59 um because he was righteous and then it
03:06:01 doesn’t make any sense because then he
03:06:03 has to go back into a body and that’s
03:06:05 where reincarnated yeah
03:06:09 is New Age a cult it’s not in the
03:06:12 scriptures
03:06:14 um and yes getting out early is teaching
03:06:18 false things
03:06:20 he is teaching things from the Kabbalah
03:06:23 to those who don’t know and Kabbalah is
03:06:26 Jewish mysticism slash a cult slash
03:06:29 teachings of Satan
03:06:31 uh so yeah the thing but the the thing
03:06:35 is is what there is
03:06:40 there and there is no stairway of
03:06:43 Ascension no
03:06:45 um there’s not effects in Taurus there’s
03:06:47 no steps
03:06:50 to my altar
03:06:52 that’s right so if there is an Ascension
03:06:55 that happens
03:06:57 as we are more righteous and continue in
03:07:00 obedience to the law it is more like on
03:07:02 a ramp
03:07:03 yeah in fact that’s what Torah States is
03:07:06 around
03:07:07 yeah
03:07:08 it’s crazy how these it’s why I see how
03:07:11 these temporal things are actually based
03:07:13 off of spiritual things
03:07:16 sorry I’m being facetious but yeah and
03:07:19 therefore it’s not like somebody uh when
03:07:23 we’re helping each other towards heaven
03:07:25 when we’re grabbing somebody’s hand and
03:07:28 helping our each other towards heaven
03:07:29 it’s not like we’re on a higher level
03:07:32 reaching down and gaining to pull
03:07:34 somebody up to our level no uh-uh we’re
03:07:38 all just struggling to get up the ramp
03:07:41 yeah and there aren’t different levels
03:07:44 on a la a ramp it’s just there some are
03:07:48 closer to the destination Yeshua
03:07:53 but that’s why he sends teachers
03:07:57 to go out and help to take as my
03:08:00 favorite the funny thing is is Joseph
03:08:03 Smith take other people by the hand and
03:08:05 bring them with you
03:08:06 uh the funny thing and that’s the funny
03:08:08 thing is as they get closer to Yeshua he
03:08:10 sends them back
03:08:12 to help other people
03:08:14 well okay but it’s not back down the
03:08:19 ramp right
03:08:21 uh but it’s just because we’re in the
03:08:24 world not of the world yeah we’ve never
03:08:27 left the world so we’re still down here
03:08:29 to help yeah we’re still here we don’t
03:08:31 have to we and there’s no
03:08:34 fault there’s no returning or yeah
03:08:39 we’re still mortal people who put our
03:08:42 pants on one leg at a time yeah
03:08:45 uh as Peter and if I say
03:08:49 don’t worship us worship the father
03:08:51 that’s right that’s right of course were
03:08:55 our your fellow servants as they both
03:08:58 stay and the fact of the matter are I
03:09:00 have a post on that
03:09:02 doesn’t Angel tell John the Revelator
03:09:05 that very same thing
03:09:07 after the angel reveals to him what the
03:09:10 things mean John’s like and I was
03:09:13 getting ready to kneel down to worship
03:09:14 him and he’s like no don’t worship me
03:09:18 I’m a fellow server
03:09:21 um John the Revelator yes in the Book of
03:09:25 Revelation you look at Revelations
03:09:28 I’d have to check but isn’t it yeah that
03:09:30 gave it to him though if I remember
03:09:32 correctly am I remembering wrong but
03:09:34 what he said is see that do it not
03:09:36 worship God only I’m only your fellow
03:09:38 servant
03:09:40 well I’d have to try to do that but
03:09:42 anyways
03:09:43 um because I I don’t know
03:09:46 according to the Book of Revelation
03:09:48 there are other entities up in heaven
03:09:50 besides God and Jesus
03:09:53 I know that it’s just I thought it was
03:09:56 Yeshua that gave that but maybe I’m
03:10:00 remembering wrong yeah he gave the
03:10:03 beginning part which is the revelation
03:10:05 of the seven churches
03:10:08 then he goes up into and then he’s off
03:10:12 and then he’s off opening seals and
03:10:14 doing those other things and the angels
03:10:16 are pointing him around showing him and
03:10:18 stuff yeah uh okay and so I guess the
03:10:22 part where he’s like don’t worship me is
03:10:23 when he’s with those other angels that
03:10:25 are showing him yes yes okay so I just
03:10:28 get confused with the first part in the
03:10:31 latter part but anyways okay so back to
03:10:34 the main point Audrey back to the turtle
03:10:37 round which it applies to reincarnation
03:10:40 because they’re twisting this
03:10:45 shall find in the mysteries of God shall
03:10:47 be unfolded unto them by the power of
03:10:49 the Holy Ghost as well in these and as
03:10:52 well in these times as in times of old
03:10:54 and as well in times of old as in times
03:10:56 to come wherefore the course of the Lord
03:10:58 is one Eternal round okay but so this is
03:11:03 saying
03:11:05 the meaning of one Eternal round is it’s
03:11:07 always the same
03:11:09 right
03:11:11 yep and actually in the Holy Ghost it
03:11:15 has to Torah the law the law is always
03:11:18 the same here we go it’s one Eternal
03:11:21 round it’s always the same yeah
03:11:24 all right let’s go I’ll read this one we
03:11:28 can take turns almost 7 20. I perceive
03:11:32 that it has been made known unto you by
03:11:34 the testimony of his word that he cannot
03:11:37 walk and crooked pass so meaning it’s
03:11:39 straight right always the same over left
03:11:41 or right another death he vary from that
03:11:44 which he has said
03:11:46 neither happy a shadow of turning from
03:11:50 the left or I mean to the right to the
03:11:52 left or from that which is right to
03:11:54 which what is wrong therefore his course
03:11:57 is one Eternal round oh wait so that’s
03:11:59 saying when he turned around is
03:12:02 his ways are always the same
03:12:05 yeah just like up here he’s saying the
03:12:07 same thing using Holy Ghost to point to
03:12:10 the law because down here it’s pointing
03:12:13 it’s more obvious that it’s pointing to
03:12:15 the law
03:12:15 talking about the way here the way the
03:12:19 law it’s the same thing to me well you
03:12:21 know and that’s the interesting thing is
03:12:23 early Christians we’re not called
03:12:25 Christians they were called followers of
03:12:27 the way uh yeah some sometimes it was
03:12:30 believers they had a couple terms and
03:12:33 this gets controversial but the
03:12:36 Christian term is came from the pagans
03:12:38 and their stuff and
03:12:41 very likely we’d have to go review but I
03:12:44 think it came from
03:12:46 Simon Magus that term which
03:12:51 is actually correct because they’re
03:12:53 still doing that and
03:12:55 I don’t claim Christian
03:12:57 because
03:12:58 Christians or pagans who don’t know it
03:13:02 but we don’t have to get into that
03:13:07 7 12.
03:13:09 anime suffice
03:13:11 if I only say they are preserved for a
03:13:15 wise purpose which purpose is known unto
03:13:17 God for he does counsel and wisdom over
03:13:19 all his works and his paths are straight
03:13:22 and his course is one Eternal round
03:13:25 again it’s always in reference to his
03:13:27 ways it’s his ways his law and it’s
03:13:30 always the same
03:13:33 so it has absolutely nothing to do with
03:13:36 the course of the Earth Earth After
03:13:38 Earth After Earth
03:13:40 no not in these verses but I mean are
03:13:44 there any others that have that
03:13:46 terminology in it I don’t think so well
03:13:48 I have more look no not in the not in
03:13:52 the Book of Mormon that I’m aware of
03:13:53 yeah I don’t think so in fact I’ve I’ve
03:13:56 done search you turn around so I know
03:13:58 there’s no more in the Book of Mormon
03:14:00 yeah
03:14:02 um but anyways so here’s dnc3
03:14:05 uh the works and designs and purposes of
03:14:09 God cannot be frustrated neither kidney
03:14:11 come to not for God does not walk in
03:14:14 crooked oh wait a minute this is kind of
03:14:16 like the same as these other ones
03:14:18 neither doth he turn to the right hand
03:14:21 or to the left neither doth he vary from
03:14:23 which he hath said therefore his pass
03:14:26 are stray and his course is one Eternal
03:14:29 round
03:14:30 oh wait a minute that’s pretty much
03:14:31 saying
03:14:33 the law is always the same
03:14:36 right
03:14:38 whoa
03:14:40 is that about reincarnation here is
03:14:42 there
03:14:43 that people like to use it for
03:14:46 uh okay your turn then listen Dr nikonis
03:14:50 35-1 listen to the voice of the Lord
03:14:53 your God even Alpha and Omega at the
03:14:55 beginning of the end whose horse is one
03:14:57 Eternal round the same today as
03:14:58 yesterday and forever
03:15:00 I am Jesus Christ
03:15:03 the Son of God who was crucified for the
03:15:05 sins of the world even as many as will
03:15:08 believe on my name that they may become
03:15:10 the sons of God even one in me as I am
03:15:12 one of the father and as the father is
03:15:14 one in me that we may be one whose
03:15:17 course is one Eternal round the same
03:15:19 today as yesterday
03:15:22 and because you broke it I came down to
03:15:25 save you
03:15:26 purpose
03:15:29 but pretty much the same thing
03:15:32 the law is always the same and I came to
03:15:36 save you
03:15:38 uh lectures on faith 3 15. thirdly that
03:15:43 he changes not he Yahweh Yeshua neither
03:15:48 is there any variableness with him
03:15:51 but that he is the same from Everlasting
03:15:54 to Everlasting being the same yesterday
03:15:56 today and for and forever that his
03:15:59 course is oh no
03:16:01 one Eternal route without variation oh
03:16:05 oh and isn’t this talking about the
03:16:08 nature of God that we have to believe in
03:16:11 if this God is going to be able to save
03:16:13 us
03:16:14 which means he’s
03:16:17 um he’s the same yesterday today and
03:16:19 forever which in other places has to do
03:16:22 with the law
03:16:24 um so it’s this is a phrase dealing with
03:16:27 the law well and this is the this is the
03:16:30 essence of his power the essence of his
03:16:33 power is in his honor and as well the
03:16:36 Law changes constantly he has the honor
03:16:39 isn’t there yeah and the reason why
03:16:43 Yeshua has power is because he kept the
03:16:46 law he came down as the sun
03:16:48 and kept the law perfectly that is why
03:16:51 the father gets his power from the Sun
03:16:55 is because that the sun is when he came
03:16:59 down
03:17:00 to do what is needed to have the power
03:17:03 to keep the law
03:17:05 and that
03:17:06 is how we can get it through him is by
03:17:10 keeping the law in fact
03:17:14 to do Miracles takes power right
03:17:18 according to the Book of Mormon and the
03:17:20 DNC you have to be sinless meaning
03:17:22 you’re keeping the law to perform
03:17:24 miracles
03:17:31 um so 35 8
03:17:33 and now it came to pass that according
03:17:35 to our record we know our record to be
03:17:37 true for behold it was a just man who
03:17:40 did keep the record first he truly did
03:17:43 many miracles in the name of Yeshua and
03:17:46 there was not any man who could do a
03:17:50 miracle in the name of Yeshua save he or
03:17:52 cleanse
03:17:53 every wit meaning completely from his
03:17:58 iniquity he had been Sanctified
03:18:01 completely
03:18:03 that’s why he could do Miracles no sin
03:18:07 DNC 50.
03:18:09 but no man is a professor of all things
03:18:13 except he be purified and cleansed from
03:18:17 all sin
03:18:20 all sin
03:18:22 and if you are purified and cleansed
03:18:24 from all sin you can ask whatsoever you
03:18:28 will in the name of Yeshua and it shall
03:18:30 be done Miracles oh wow actually you
03:18:33 know what
03:18:34 this actually uh adds a level of
03:18:37 inspiration to my patriarchal blessing
03:18:39 that I had not before
03:18:43 uh supposed was there
03:18:45 do you want to pause and talk about it
03:18:47 because you might not that’s what it
03:18:49 says do you want to pause or are you
03:18:51 okay having that one recorded I’m okay
03:18:53 with that okay all right
03:18:56 well my patriarchal blessing says if you
03:19:00 desire it you shall have the gift of
03:19:02 healing
03:19:04 and this is what it means to desire it
03:19:09 do what it takes because this is what it
03:19:12 takes
03:19:14 um this is what it means desired you’ll
03:19:17 do what it takes to be cleansed every
03:19:18 whip from your iniquity
03:19:20 yeah uh that oh with that
03:19:24 um
03:19:28 I don’t know that the other day we were
03:19:31 talking about
03:19:32 um
03:19:34 if you’re forgiven after you’re healed
03:19:36 and I told you from my opinion
03:19:38 understanding you are but I didn’t have
03:19:40 a verse I found one recently
03:19:42 James 5 15 and the prayer
03:19:47 offered in faith will restore one who is
03:19:50 sick the Lord will raise him up if he
03:19:53 has sinned he will be forgiven so if
03:19:56 you’re healed you’re forgiven
03:19:58 you want to get healed do your part
03:20:01 repent yeah exactly if you want to be
03:20:06 able to to do it you know do the healing
03:20:08 do your part repent
03:20:12 repentance is the key repentance yeah
03:20:15 return to the law is always the key it’s
03:20:19 all
03:20:20 it’s everywhere anyway so here’s an
03:20:23 interesting one since just on Miracles
03:20:24 and then we’ll go back to that other one
03:20:27 um so a lot of people
03:20:29 will claim well I can’t work miracles in
03:20:32 front of people who don’t believe
03:20:34 I disagree so does the Book of Mormon
03:20:37 Nephi raising his brother from the dead
03:20:40 in front of wicked people raising the
03:20:42 dead
03:20:45 Lazarus in front of wicked people
03:20:48 true yeah yeah but here’s one from The
03:20:50 Book of Mormon
03:20:51 um but yeah fat absolutely yeah and no
03:20:55 I’m not
03:20:57 that’s right I’m going to add it to my
03:20:58 notes
03:20:59 [Laughter]
03:21:04 that’s what raises Lazarus
03:21:09 oh I’ll get the reference layer but
03:21:11 anyways
03:21:12 um and it came to pass that they were
03:21:13 angry with him even because he had great
03:21:16 because it’s hard to remember every
03:21:18 instance of these things right
03:21:21 so that’s why I just put my notes and
03:21:24 I just remember the principle yeah uh
03:21:27 well um but this gives you two witnesses
03:21:31 to the same thing yeah yeah that’s good
03:21:33 I’m look I started my note I’ll finish
03:21:35 it later
03:21:36 yeah I don’t want to take the time to do
03:21:39 it all over in the recording all right
03:21:41 let’s keep let’s keep going uh uh if it
03:21:44 were not possible they could disability
03:21:46 okay and it came to pass they were angry
03:21:48 with Nephi even because he had greater
03:21:51 power than they
03:21:53 for it were not possible that it could
03:21:55 disbelieve his words
03:21:59 that’s
03:22:00 pretty actually I want to be like Nephi
03:22:03 this Nephi yeah I want to know the
03:22:06 scriptures enough
03:22:07 that they can’t disbelieve what I am
03:22:10 around now it’s interesting when he’s
03:22:12 not around
03:22:14 I don’t know if it’s in this quote I
03:22:15 have here or if it’s after these verses
03:22:19 they would complain about it while he
03:22:21 was not around but while he was around
03:22:22 they couldn’t argue against it yeah
03:22:28 I I want to be like that but anyways
03:22:31 okay he also received Ministry of angels
03:22:35 on The Daily
03:22:36 yes
03:22:38 uh I would like that too yeah
03:22:42 I would numb heaven right the same
03:22:44 angels that are from the same sources
03:22:46 though right yeah for great was his
03:22:49 faith and Yahweh Yeshua the Messiah the
03:22:52 angels to minister unto him daily and in
03:22:55 the name of Yeshua did he cast out
03:22:57 devils and unclean spirits even his
03:23:01 brother did he raise from the dead after
03:23:03 he had been stoned and suffered death by
03:23:05 the people
03:23:06 and
03:23:08 foreign
03:23:10 that’s like it’s how did I get rid of a
03:23:12 wife that’s weird and they oh no uh and
03:23:16 the people that was fine and the people
03:23:18 saw it and they did witness of it and
03:23:21 were angry with him because of his power
03:23:23 he did
03:23:26 it’s funny
03:23:27 you see someone raise someone from the
03:23:30 dead
03:23:31 instead of like can you come heal my my
03:23:34 friends and family they’re angry with
03:23:36 him
03:23:37 holy Envy well it’s the same thing with
03:23:40 the priests who saw Jesus raise Lazarus
03:23:42 from the dead right right it’s because
03:23:45 they were taking their perceived power
03:23:48 away from them because they were
03:23:49 teaching the truth destroying their
03:23:52 craft fact
03:23:54 uh uh I have a verse on that
03:23:58 I have verses for a lot of stuff can you
03:24:00 tell
03:24:01 fast after the more popular part of the
03:24:04 Zora Mike’s consultant together
03:24:05 concerning The Words which have been
03:24:07 preached out of them they were angry
03:24:08 because of the word for it to destroy
03:24:10 their craft therefore they did not would
03:24:12 not hearken onto the birds and that’s
03:24:14 actually in the set of verses that you
03:24:16 said to Erica
03:24:18 um
03:24:21 yeah about the um taking surveys right
03:24:25 yeah yeah
03:24:28 um but yeah this is why people hate the
03:24:30 word
03:24:32 it destroys their craft
03:24:37 people if people realize that they too
03:24:40 can read the word and
03:24:43 have it impact their lives and know what
03:24:45 it means
03:24:47 they don’t need somebody up there
03:24:49 teaching false Mysteries
03:24:51 yeah the in the Book of Mormon I’m not
03:24:54 gonna Sidetrack on this one it’s good
03:24:55 but the Book of Mormon States Mysteries
03:24:57 are in Torah
03:24:59 and I show that some of my all
03:25:03 uh all things you should do post I that
03:25:07 has a lot of good stuff in it
03:25:10 at least I think so I love that post
03:25:13 and FYI
03:25:15 Ben gave a suggestion to add to it and
03:25:18 so did Matt and I put them both in they
03:25:20 gave
03:25:22 two they gave me two helps
03:25:25 um I’m not proud it was you both gave
03:25:27 good suggestions I put them in
03:25:31 um
03:25:32 let’s go oh yeah around
03:25:38 three lectures on phase 321. that is
03:25:41 equally as necessary that men should
03:25:43 have the idea that he that he is a God
03:25:47 who changes not in order to have faith
03:25:50 in him and I want to this is a big deal
03:25:52 if you think God changes
03:25:56 he
03:25:57 you can’t have enough faith in him for
03:26:00 salvation and if it’s not this one I
03:26:02 have another verse for that I can share
03:26:04 it I used to have the idea that he is
03:26:06 gracious and long-suffering or without
03:26:09 the idea of unchangeableness in the
03:26:11 character of the deity doubt would take
03:26:13 the place
03:26:15 but with the idea that he changes not
03:26:18 Faith lays hold upon the excellencies in
03:26:20 his character with unshaken confidence
03:26:23 believing that he is the same yesterday
03:26:25 today and forever and that his course is
03:26:27 one Eternal round
03:26:29 so this is the verse I was thinking of
03:26:31 but with if you think God changes and
03:26:35 his waist changes you can’t
03:26:37 get enough faith unto salvation
03:26:41 let alone I think more yeah let alone
03:26:46 doing Miracles because first you gotta
03:26:48 have salvation right because sinless
03:26:50 sanctification anyways
03:26:52 and I think in lecture John 3 it states
03:26:55 that even more clearly than this verse
03:26:57 but this shows that
03:27:00 so these people
03:27:02 this that really destroys the idea that
03:27:05 God’s way is changing
03:27:08 because according to lectures on faith
03:27:09 which I believe
03:27:12 and if you believe in the restoration I
03:27:14 don’t know how you couldn’t believe it
03:27:15 but a lot don’t
03:27:17 it states if his ways changes
03:27:21 because of the doubt it causes of you
03:27:25 not knowing if his waist has now changed
03:27:27 from when he just started now you’re
03:27:29 doing it now you have no confidence that
03:27:31 you’re actually doing what you’re
03:27:32 supposed to be doing because it could
03:27:34 change you don’t have enough Faith unto
03:27:37 salvation because you don’t know what
03:27:39 you’re doing is actually correct and
03:27:40 lectures on as I’m saying six
03:27:43 yeah six talks about how you need to
03:27:46 have that Assurance what you’re doing is
03:27:48 right
03:27:49 to get your calling election AKA more
03:27:53 sure word prophecy but if you think it’s
03:27:56 changing
03:27:57 you won’t have that babe
03:27:59 yeah the lectures on faith are actually
03:28:02 you know it’s really interesting these
03:28:04 people say that they’re all about
03:28:06 Ascension to become like Christ but the
03:28:08 lectures on faith
03:28:11 are actually a road map yeah yeah and
03:28:16 they throw and uh I know first and not
03:28:19 that most of them throw it away a few um
03:28:21 many not all of them but many of them
03:28:23 throw it away yes
03:28:25 as a as a fabrication of Sydney Rigdon
03:28:28 uh which is ironic because I I mean if
03:28:31 you go look at my Holy Spirit Holy Ghost
03:28:33 post I have tons of quotes there showing
03:28:36 how Joseph Smith spent
03:28:38 tons of his time of his presidency time
03:28:44 on that and the main one that they
03:28:48 reject most is five and even those who
03:28:52 say that it’s mostly Sydney they all
03:28:55 admit Joseph Smith did five which is the
03:28:58 main reason why most people get rid of
03:28:59 it and then on top of that and I’m going
03:29:03 to show this let me get it
03:29:05 uh
03:29:07 in fact let me change which screen
03:29:11 that’s not sure
03:29:13 let me show
03:29:16 that one
03:29:17 let’s go to the votes okay so just in
03:29:21 case you don’t know lectures on faith
03:29:24 uh is the doctrine of the DNC
03:29:29 because before uh the lectures on faith
03:29:32 it was just the book of Commandments
03:29:33 1833 in 1835 when the when it became the
03:29:37 doctrine covenants it’s when the
03:29:39 doctrine aka the lectures on faith was
03:29:41 added in fact
03:29:42 the preference actually states that
03:29:47 um
03:29:48 yeah that’s not gonna
03:29:52 okay and that is actually a paragraph
03:29:55 right there yeah lectures on faith is
03:29:58 the doctrine of the doctrine covenants
03:30:00 in fact this Commandments and Covenants
03:30:04 are this two different words for the
03:30:06 same thing
03:30:07 his book of Commandments book of
03:30:09 Covenants
03:30:11 because that’s actually what the LDS and
03:30:13 RL just only have they have the book of
03:30:15 covenants because they took the doctrine
03:30:17 out they both did but anyways sorry go
03:30:19 ahead yeah well what I was what I’m
03:30:22 saying and what I was going to say is
03:30:24 that the lectures on faith properly
03:30:27 understood
03:30:30 really
03:30:31 show you
03:30:33 exactly how to exercise how to make the
03:30:36 doctrine of Christ work for you yeah and
03:30:39 in fact let’s read this paragraph from
03:30:41 the DNC the first part lectures on faith
03:30:44 of the doctrine Commons will be found to
03:30:48 contain a series of lectures as
03:30:50 delivered before a theoretical class in
03:30:53 class in consequence of embracing
03:30:55 important doctrines of salvation it’s
03:30:59 important for salvation
03:31:01 uh we have arranged them into the
03:31:04 following work I mean we can it’s not
03:31:06 too long but
03:31:08 um but that’s that’s you know and I I
03:31:12 just I just really think that that’s
03:31:14 something that is
03:31:16 you know they’re not just something to
03:31:18 be looked at no well you know that’s
03:31:20 yeah so also to go with that point even
03:31:22 more Ben
03:31:23 so here is a screenshot of so you can
03:31:28 see the letters this is an actual
03:31:30 original copy of an original or scan of
03:31:33 original if you look at the wording on
03:31:35 lectures on faith
03:31:37 they’re bigger
03:31:39 versus
03:31:40 the covenants they’re smaller
03:31:43 yeah printing was expensive the bigger
03:31:47 font showed that higher importance on
03:31:50 those lectures on faith because it was
03:31:52 more expensive because it took up more
03:31:54 paper
03:31:55 more importance
03:31:57 and I’m not making this up
03:32:00 these are actual scans
03:32:03 of the original and you can see the text
03:32:05 on lectures on faith is bigger showing
03:32:07 more importance
03:32:11 but back to the uh other point even if
03:32:14 Joseph Smith did nothing on it
03:32:16 I don’t care
03:32:18 because of the votes that’s actually in
03:32:20 the 1835 Doctrine Covenants
03:32:23 everyone including Joseph Smith
03:32:25 voted on it and accepted it
03:32:31 all the leaders and the
03:32:36 members
03:32:37 they voted and accepted it as Doctrine
03:32:40 as I can see if I can find but anyways
03:32:44 this
03:32:45 uh this has a lot of paragraphs because
03:32:47 there’s a paragraph for each
03:32:49 um
03:32:50 committee is the word that they’re using
03:32:52 here
03:32:54 oh boy LDS they love their committees
03:32:57 right but anyways I’ll just overdo it
03:32:59 but unanimous it’s all anyways I’ll see
03:33:03 look acknowledged it as Doctrine
03:33:05 lectures okay do Madness and we could go
03:33:08 look at all these right questions on
03:33:10 faith to be honest no exceptional Faith
03:33:12 be anonymous
03:33:13 [Music]
03:33:14 um
03:33:15 this might be a pretty thing of who’s
03:33:18 doing it yeah
03:33:20 um
03:33:21 like certain Faith be honest like strong
03:33:23 faith be honest okay see in lectures
03:33:28 results
03:33:30 uh this one’s about uh 101 which is the
03:33:34 one about
03:33:35 um polygamy is the crime
03:33:38 uh
03:33:41 accepted it and that includes Brigham
03:33:43 Young and chosen Smith
03:33:46 um anyways that’s another subject
03:33:49 foreign
03:33:50 [Music]
03:34:01 I forget what that one is
03:34:06 oh that’s governments okay yeah that’s
03:34:08 fine
03:34:09 um
03:34:10 uh they all voted for that and yeah it
03:34:14 went West they didn’t do that in order
03:34:16 for Cindy Rigdon to have just snuck them
03:34:18 into a printing of the Doctrine and
03:34:20 Covenants then this would all this would
03:34:23 yeah it could never have happened well
03:34:26 and if you want we can go look at all
03:34:28 those quotes I have about Joseph Smith
03:34:30 spending tons of time on it is duties as
03:34:34 the presidency as you see the votes that
03:34:37 they told it voted to have them do but
03:34:39 anyways
03:34:42 yeah we won’t go there
03:34:46 um
03:34:47 yeah it probably has been a long night
03:34:49 as so Erica uh
03:34:53 we didn’t finish The Reincarnation
03:34:56 article but
03:34:57 um do you have any quick questions and
03:34:59 we can do more next time
03:35:03 that’s fine we can do more next time
03:35:06 [Music]
03:35:08 anyways I I think this was good if
03:35:11 anything I learned a couple things
03:35:13 um well I did from Matt Ben with that
03:35:17 um second Samuel or no it was the first
03:35:19 King’s 15. you guys help me you better
03:35:22 understanding that one right c84
03:35:25 and then the the 84 we kind of worked
03:35:28 that one out together with the color
03:35:30 limits and being robbed Moses
03:35:34 so yeah we’re all learning together and
03:35:37 we’re all getting instructed well the
03:35:39 thing is
03:35:44 so
03:35:46 I I I’ve come through a different
03:35:48 background and I’ve had a different base
03:35:50 and but
03:35:53 with Matt and Ben they’ve come at a
03:35:55 slightly different angle and they’ve had
03:35:57 different focuses because
03:35:59 I know
03:36:01 Ben knows and Men both know that DNC
03:36:04 more than I do because I haven’t focused
03:36:06 on it much
03:36:07 but I can read it
03:36:09 yeah you know and you laugh at that but
03:36:13 I’ve done it
03:36:18 it’s pretty easy to tell what’s from God
03:36:21 what’s it what is it yeah yeah it’s just
03:36:24 I generally have focused on Book of
03:36:27 Mormon Torah and Old Testament
03:36:31 um that’s just unless you have your base
03:36:34 these other stuff won’t make sense and I
03:36:37 think I’ve shown you guys when I go read
03:36:38 this other stuff that I don’t focus on I
03:36:41 can do pretty well with it even though I
03:36:42 don’t focus on it yeah right because I
03:36:45 have the base if you don’t know the base
03:36:47 you won’t if you don’t know algebra you
03:36:50 can’t do calculus
03:36:52 you’re kidding
03:36:58 that’s some hard math right there
03:37:00 calculus thought was hard for me
03:37:02 actually I I did calculus early
03:37:06 I loved it I actually helped to teach it
03:37:09 too when I was in I liked pre-calculus
03:37:11 but it was like
03:37:13 it was the early part of calculus or the
03:37:16 pre-calculus that I did really really
03:37:18 well in then we drummed into the whole
03:37:20 idea of derivatives and all that and I
03:37:24 got lost okay I’m gonna I’m gonna pause
03:37:27 it because we don’t need to talk about
03:37:28 that like recording so I’ll pause in the
03:37:31 chat Zoom
03:37:34 so just to go with what you’re saying
03:37:36 the purpose of life you want to you want
03:37:38 to read those or are they too
03:37:41 oh yeah I understand
03:37:43 uh do you not suppose that such things
03:37:45 are abominable unto him who created All
03:37:48 Flesh and the one being is as precious
03:37:51 and his side as the other
03:37:53 and all fleshes of dust sin
03:37:56 and for the self same end
03:37:59 as he created them that they should keep
03:38:02 his Commandments and glorify him forever
03:38:07 let us hear the oh what’s up I was just
03:38:11 saying that’s the purpose keep the
03:38:12 Commandments like you were saying yeah
03:38:14 let us hear the conclusion of the whole
03:38:17 matter
03:38:18 fear God and keep his Commandments for
03:38:21 this is the whole duty of man
03:38:29 uh how do you spell that yes
03:38:35 uh and then hathy commanded any that
03:38:38 they should not partake of his salvation
03:38:40 heal this into unay when he has given it
03:38:43 free for all men and he hath commanded
03:38:45 his people that they should persuade all
03:38:49 men to repent all right so just just to
03:38:52 tie back in a little bit so what is we
03:38:54 have to do how much does salvation cost
03:38:58 it’s free it’s free it’s free so is
03:39:01 there any like
03:39:03 do I have to work for it
03:39:06 no and you can’t buy it by you can’t buy
03:39:08 it by uh giving giving your car away
03:39:11 yeah but I’m just more going those who
03:39:14 push Mortal Mortal probations a big part
03:39:17 of it is because they think they need to
03:39:20 do something to earn their salvation
03:39:22 well that’s brought up very greatly and
03:39:25 much by the church
03:39:30 you’re still just not basically it’s as
03:39:34 I always like determined
03:39:38 he hasn’t they haven’t left the church
03:39:40 it’s Failure to Launch yeah
03:39:43 one thing all you can do is repent uh
03:39:48 well you know what’s funny uh wait a
03:39:51 minute just I’m a 24. all you can do is
03:39:53 repent of all your sins
03:39:55 a friend of mine once said on a uh on a
03:39:58 presentation he’s like all you can do
03:40:00 repent and be reconciled with your
03:40:03 brother that’s it
03:40:04 yeah
03:40:06 the reason why is because
03:40:09 we have sinned and so we deserve death
03:40:12 so there’s nothing we can do to save
03:40:14 ourselves that’s right because even one
03:40:17 little son disqualifies us of being able
03:40:20 to save ourselves we can’t do it period
03:40:24 we need Yeshua because
03:40:27 I don’t know about you but I’ve sinned
03:40:30 oh yeah
03:40:34 yeah anyways
03:40:37 um but
03:40:39 that doesn’t mean we have to keep
03:40:42 sinning in fact I have stuff on that
03:40:47 no should sin abound the grace should
03:40:50 sin oh yeah there’s that one there yeah
03:40:53 we can do that
03:40:56 we can go to I have those too repentance
03:40:58 is a thing that cannot be trifled with
03:41:00 every day daily transgression and daily
03:41:03 repentance is not which is pleasing in
03:41:05 the sight of God
03:41:06 so I think the ones that Eureka and I
03:41:09 have here Aaron Paul they’re with Paul’s
03:41:13 writings
03:41:14 yeah he’s looking at his own nuts yeah I
03:41:16 know yeah oops
03:41:20 or maybe it’s
03:41:22 oops
03:41:25 race yeah I would help if I spell right
03:41:29 it’s okay it was yeah
03:41:32 also I think this is the one that you’re
03:41:34 doing or is it a different one
03:41:39 hold on a second okay
03:41:41 or Sims
03:41:45 yeah oh this is yeah this is this is a
03:41:48 good one too for sin shall not have
03:41:50 dominion over you for ye are not under
03:41:52 the under the law you’re not cursed by
03:41:55 the law but you’re under grace therefore
03:41:58 covered What then shall we sin because
03:42:02 we are not under the under the law but
03:42:05 under grace God forbid yes
03:42:08 this is a good one know ye not that to
03:42:12 whom you yield yourself servants to obey
03:42:14 his Ser his servants he are to whom ye
03:42:16 obey whether of sin unto death or of
03:42:19 obedience unto righteousness but God
03:42:21 Elohim be thanked that we are the
03:42:24 servant that ye were the Servants of sin
03:42:26 but ye have obeyed from the heart that
03:42:28 form of Doctrine thought to our
03:42:30 righteousness which was delivered to you
03:42:32 that being then made free from sin you
03:42:35 become the Servants of righteousness
03:42:37 yeah and then maybe the one you were
03:42:42 doing
03:42:43 by the way probably one of these ones
03:42:46 like this this is a good one right we
03:42:50 then make void the loss of faith God
03:42:52 forbid yeah we established the law yes
03:42:57 so another support real quick for your
03:43:02 uh
03:43:03 uh carnal Commandments yeah Nations
03:43:07 there’s words and Galatians
03:43:10 uh do you have a specific one of Moses
03:43:15 what specific one I’m looking
03:43:19 sorry Asians people sorry
03:43:21 [Laughter]
03:43:24 all right
03:43:27 but it is in Galatians 3
03:43:30 [Music]
03:43:32 is there carnal in there
03:43:36 no I don’t see carnal
03:43:39 no it’s not carnal but it’s it’s talking
03:43:42 about it’s basically saying you’re
03:43:46 cursed with the Mosaic law because of
03:43:49 the fact of transgressions AKA because
03:43:53 of the transgressions you were not able
03:43:55 to
03:43:56 uh receive this like the yeah it’s
03:44:01 basically you got punished because you
03:44:02 transcrushed it right and now you are uh
03:44:06 having to live the carnal all it doesn’t
03:44:10 say a carnal anywhere or you know Mosaic
03:44:14 is carnal have we not gone over this
03:44:16 yeah well it’s just
03:44:19 we agree with that it’s just trying to
03:44:20 find because there’s Moses
03:44:23 it’s the connects it’s it’s the
03:44:25 connection and something that connects
03:44:27 so I I agree with you Matt
03:44:30 the more I think Ben is somewhat maybe
03:44:35 bringing out is that is to make the
03:44:38 connection really obvious for so that
03:44:41 way they have no excuse I’m just saying
03:44:44 though oh sure
03:44:46 um there’s a lot of writings of Paul
03:44:48 that talks about
03:44:51 there’s a lot of things from Paul if you
03:44:53 know that Torah and law of Moses are
03:44:55 different and the law of Moses was done
03:44:58 away at yeshua’s death which happened on
03:45:01 the cross makes a lot of sense
03:45:04 of law being made occurs for us for it
03:45:09 is written cursed is everyone that
03:45:11 hangeth on a tree
03:45:13 it’s actually in his other that’s
03:45:16 actually himself oh yeah we have I have
03:45:19 stuff like that
03:45:21 so I mean well first of all before we go
03:45:24 to that let’s finish this other I want
03:45:26 to do one more on the other thought and
03:45:27 then we go back to that
03:45:29 um
03:45:30 but lectures on faith five
03:45:36 I always
03:45:38 said because no no I want to show him
03:45:42 so this first is the longest verse in
03:45:46 scriptures that I know of lectures on
03:45:47 faith by two but as in that we can keep
03:45:51 the law
03:45:52 means I always
03:45:55 okay
03:45:56 Yeshua being called us on because of the
03:45:59 Flesh and descended
03:46:01 and suffering below that which men can
03:46:05 suffer or in other words suffered
03:46:07 greater sufferings
03:46:09 and was exposed to more powerful
03:46:12 contradictions than any man can be
03:46:16 but withstanding all this he kept the
03:46:20 Torah of Elohim and remained without sin
03:46:26 showing their bot but like some of these
03:46:30 people
03:46:32 teach that Yeshua sinned
03:46:36 and they get it
03:46:38 for one to justify themselves but they
03:46:40 the way they justify that teaching is
03:46:43 because Yeshua did break the oral law
03:46:45 AKA law of man but he never broke God’s
03:46:48 law but anyways
03:46:50 showing thereby that is in the power of
03:46:53 man to keep
03:46:55 the Torah and remain also without sin
03:46:59 and also that by him a righteous
03:47:02 judgment might come upon the flesh
03:47:05 so a righteous judgment is not possible
03:47:08 unless someone actually kept the law
03:47:10 to show that it’s possible and he’s
03:47:12 going to show why and that all who walk
03:47:15 not in the law may justly be condemned
03:47:18 by the law and have no excuses for their
03:47:21 sins that’s why someone had to keep it
03:47:24 one of the reasons I mean there’s
03:47:25 multiple reasons but for the purposes of
03:47:28 punishment
03:47:31 because if it wasn’t possible
03:47:34 it would be unjust
03:47:36 to condemn someone for someone
03:47:39 to not do something that wasn’t possible
03:47:41 to do
03:47:44 anyways just to go on that a little more
03:47:48 point on that we can although we’ve seen
03:47:50 in the past
03:47:51 we can be sinless in the future
03:47:54 we’re right you can keep the law you can
03:47:56 you can’t keep the law
03:47:58 absolutely uh okay but let’s go back to
03:48:01 your thing now
03:48:03 um
03:48:10 yeah and I probably
03:48:15 so one day uh Erica and Karen we can go
03:48:19 over Daniel 9 20 27 that that one
03:48:24 teaches the law of Moses is separate
03:48:25 than Torah also but and this is my
03:48:28 chaism on that and a few little notes
03:48:30 but anyways it’s through there
03:48:34 um and but I just bring it up because I
03:48:36 have some of these notes under that
03:48:38 um
03:48:52 oh where’s the oh so maybe this is the
03:48:55 one you’re in fact this is one I was
03:48:57 going to plan to put in my post and I
03:48:59 put it in a chiasm maybe this is the one
03:49:01 you’re thinking of yes
03:49:03 I’ll let you read it since you brought
03:49:05 it up
03:49:08 starting in 13. yeah okay here we go
03:49:11 Christ the Messiah hath redeemed us from
03:49:14 the curse of the law being made a curse
03:49:16 for us word is written curses everyone
03:49:19 that hang up on a tree of The Blessing
03:49:22 of Abraham might come on the Gentiles
03:49:24 through Yeshua
03:49:28 this year
03:49:31 uh weeks especially Vietnam okay uh that
03:49:35 we might receive the promise the spirit
03:49:38 through faith
03:49:40 Brethren I speak after the manner of men
03:49:43 though it be but a man’s Covenant yet it
03:49:47 be confirmed yet if it be confirmed no
03:49:51 man disinolith or add us there too now
03:49:55 to Abraham and his Seed where the
03:49:57 promise is made
03:49:59 he saith not
03:50:01 and to seeds as of many but as of one
03:50:05 and to thy seed which is Christ
03:50:09 and I say and this I say that the
03:50:12 Covenant that was confirmed before of
03:50:16 God in Christ
03:50:18 uh the law of Moses which was 430 years
03:50:24 after because of Disobedience 10 years
03:50:27 after Abraham and that’s when the law
03:50:31 Moses came because of Disobedience the
03:50:35 timing fits yes cannot disannull that it
03:50:40 should make the promise of none effect
03:50:43 for if the inheritance possession be of
03:50:47 the law of Moses
03:50:49 it’s beloved Moses this is one is no
03:50:54 more of promise but God gave it to
03:50:57 Abraham by promise
03:50:59 so yeah the one that we’re supposed to
03:51:04 look to ultimately look to right is the
03:51:06 one who gave to Abraham which was a
03:51:08 renewing what was gave to Adam and
03:51:11 others right right but the focus is here
03:51:14 on Abraham
03:51:16 um but
03:51:20 so this is It’s I think this is one
03:51:22 you’re looking at and I agree with you
03:51:24 yeah I mean it doesn’t exactly say
03:51:26 carnal but where it does do is the
03:51:29 timing yeah
03:51:32 I really like that
03:51:34 it doesn’t yeah you’re right it does not
03:51:36 State specifically carnal however if you
03:51:39 look at the imagery of when he talks
03:51:41 about even the very first verse 13 where
03:51:45 he talks about curses he that hang up on
03:51:47 a tree oh yeah yeah like I’m sorry dude
03:51:51 that’s like saying
03:51:53 your curse but it’s almost like you’re
03:51:56 saying you’re cursing yourself because
03:51:58 there’s somebody who’s already hung on a
03:52:00 tree for you well yeah
03:52:02 Christ cursed himself when he did this
03:52:04 for us yeah just along that point the
03:52:07 red hat I don’t know how much you know
03:52:08 about the red heifer but the priest that
03:52:10 does the red heifer becomes clean just
03:52:13 like Yeshua became unclean he
03:52:17 when he hung on the tree
03:52:20 yeah
03:52:22 in fact also along that point and he
03:52:25 said Abba why have you left me
03:52:27 when we sin
03:52:29 the spirit leaves us right we’re left to
03:52:32 our own devices
03:52:34 yes
03:52:35 Hua took upon
03:52:37 him our sins
03:52:39 and so the father had to leave him
03:52:41 just like it leaves us
03:52:44 yeah
03:52:45 or Tim sorry I said that I said a little
03:52:48 incorrect but I get the I said the
03:52:51 principle
03:52:54 so there’s just all these connections
03:52:56 what I saw when I what I saw there is
03:53:01 he’s it’s almost like he’s saying I I
03:53:04 get what you’re saying but what I saw
03:53:06 initially was stop trying to do it
03:53:09 yourself
03:53:11 Christ already hung himself uh Christ
03:53:13 was already hung on the tree
03:53:15 stopped trying to hang on the tree for
03:53:17 yourself you can’t do it it’s going to
03:53:20 be of no effect for you whatsoever right
03:53:23 there yeah the Messiah hath redeemed us
03:53:26 from the curse of the law yes wait a
03:53:29 minute it wasn’t from the law it was
03:53:31 from the curse of the law
03:53:32 right
03:53:34 the curse the people forget that part
03:53:37 oh and the fact that it is the curse of
03:53:40 the law
03:53:45 they rejected it the children of Israel
03:53:47 rejected it flat out from the very
03:53:50 beginning
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03:53:53 at the base of Sinai
03:53:56 well yeah that’s why they got the law
03:53:58 Moses
03:54:01 because they they had
03:54:04 the start of it or the base of it before
03:54:08 Moses went up the mount that’s right
03:54:12 and the rest of it is just expounding
03:54:14 what they already had so it wasn’t
03:54:16 anything new it’s just expounding yeah
03:54:18 giving better deeper understanding which
03:54:22 it’s ironic people say well I keep the
03:54:24 Ten Commandments I don’t need that other
03:54:25 stuff I’m like
03:54:28 um you are ignoring the additional
03:54:32 Witnesses expounding and understanding
03:54:35 that Yahweh gave us to help us keep the
03:54:38 law that way that he wants us to keep it
03:54:41 yeah
03:54:43 well that means they’re not keeping the
03:54:45 Ten Commandments even right it’s all
03:54:47 about doing things in his way yeah it’s
03:54:50 his not our way you’ve got to make God
03:54:54 in your own image okay
03:54:57 I’m teasing yeah I know it’s just it’s
03:55:00 kind of funny how it goes back to the
03:55:01 beginning right
03:55:03 well I mean and
03:55:05 that’s exactly how they rejected it they
03:55:09 made God in their own image the way they
03:55:12 wanted to create him you know it’s funny
03:55:16 um when they made the bowl
03:55:20 that’s the symbol for Satan I know
03:55:24 I know God did all this for them
03:55:27 and immediately they turned to Satan
03:55:29 yeah
03:55:32 I mean the colors correct and the
03:55:34 symbols correct
03:55:35 verse Hayden
03:55:37 because the ancient Dark Sun is Saturn
03:55:41 worship Saturn’s color is yellow and
03:55:44 white
03:55:45 yeah they were worshiping Satan with
03:55:48 that bull
03:55:49 yeah Yeshua is not a bowl
03:55:53 is the fatted calf is that a calf or the
03:55:57 lamb or the lamb he can also be a goat
03:56:00 anyways but yes he’s he’s never a bowl
03:56:04 next
03:56:06 here’s and here’s another cool thing too
03:56:11 um
03:56:13 well I mean not cool but kind of
03:56:15 it it makes you uh it makes you realize
03:56:19 how quickly
03:56:21 you turn from God’s people to
03:56:26 Moses go down to Europe people
03:56:30 and uh
03:56:32 get the wickedness out because they’re
03:56:35 no longer my people they’ve made their
03:56:38 choice
03:56:40 go down and talk to your people Moses
03:56:44 yeah well they weren’t pulling Yahweh so
03:56:47 they weren’t always people anymore
03:56:49 that’s right it’s funny some people will
03:56:52 like
03:56:54 tell me that uh
03:57:06 no
03:57:08 so
03:57:09 there’s a jst in the
03:57:12 in The Sermon on the Mount where uh it
03:57:14 changes the direction of who’s
03:57:16 forgetting who in Matthew 7.
03:57:19 but in the Book of Mormon it has it the
03:57:22 way that people
03:57:24 complain about and now I’m trying to
03:57:26 find my note on it
03:57:33 oh
03:57:36 I’d uh
03:57:40 oh no it’s new sorry
03:57:44 never knew it would help if I use my
03:57:46 right words so mosiah 25 I mean 26 25 28
03:57:52 and it came to pass that when the second
03:57:54 Trump saw sound and then they that never
03:57:58 knew me come forth and shall stand
03:58:01 before me and they that shall know that
03:58:04 I am Yahweh their Elohim and I am their
03:58:07 redeemer but would not be redeemed then
03:58:11 I will confess under so this is Joshua
03:58:13 speaking unto them I never knew them so
03:58:16 here’s Yeshua saying he never knew them
03:58:19 in the Book of Mormon yes
03:58:24 which is funny I’ve had people argue
03:58:25 with me that the Matthew 7 has a jst and
03:58:29 it does that it reverses it in there
03:58:33 and they’re like arguing all this
03:58:35 garbage with me but it’s in the Book of
03:58:38 Mormon the way that it is well it’s
03:58:40 basically arguing emotional yeah
03:58:44 because it’s the same thing
03:58:47 um whether or not you knew him or he
03:58:50 knew you
03:58:51 point is you two weren’t actually on
03:58:55 speaking terms yeah you exactly
03:58:58 that’s how I read it and that’s how I
03:59:00 see it in the Book of Mormon because
03:59:02 here it does it both ways right here
03:59:04 yeah just in this little passage it goes
03:59:07 both ways
03:59:09 and so they’re getting instead of seeing
03:59:11 the imagery and how they’re not having a
03:59:13 relationship they get hung up on the
03:59:16 technical stuff which is the Greeks side
03:59:19 of thinking versus the Hebrew function
03:59:21 side of thinking right
03:59:25 um so anyways yeah well that’s a long
03:59:29 night yeah let’s call it a night guys
03:59:31 all right hey take care it’s been it was
03:59:34 really good I enjoyed it yeah and I
03:59:37 enjoyed it I really did thank you very
03:59:39 much Stevenson thank you thanks for
03:59:42 coming around Karen and Erica
03:59:45 thank you have a good night okay take
03:59:48 care Jordan and Karen and Erica
03:59:51 okay take care