Scripture Study 2022-11-23

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Looking at the word shed from the sacramental prayers. The two goats from day of atonement both represent different aspects of Yeshua. Bring out how 1 Corinthians 7 last half is about marriage while being a missionary and looked at the JST on these verses. Virgin is a women of child bearing age. Many people are addicted to learning new ideas instead of BECOMING like Yeshua and thus always learning and never coming to the truth. The Father and the Son are the same person. Joseph the husband of Mary is Yeshua’s physical father. Isaiah 53. With the Father and the Son being the same, it shows how He is merciful and loving and not a vengeful God. To condemn for something that can’t be done is unjust. The Holy Spirit / Ghost is a IT not a HE. In the Narnia series its the witch that puts her hand through the veil to grasp hands. Many Christian beliefs come from tower of Babel. Mosiah (LDS 15:1-5) (RLDS 8:28-32) Chiasmus. Abraham 3:27 is talking about Adam not the Messiah. Talked about some imagery in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Book of Mormon only defines the Eternal Father as Yeshua. The whole law is about love, so yes when you break one part you are breaking the whole which is love. A little about prayers. Satan delights in abominations.

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00:00:00 here
00:00:02 and I just had a thought I want before I
00:00:06 started anything just because it’s just
00:00:07 it just did the sacrament but
00:00:14 I want to look at
00:00:16 him
00:00:32 foreign
00:00:57 to spill
00:01:00 to suffer it wasn’t raining out loud I
00:01:01 was thinking sorry now
00:01:08 foreign
00:01:09 I think it’s interesting that when he
00:01:11 gives the sacrament for the
00:01:16 arguably for the first time
00:01:18 oh the Last Supper yeah no I I don’t
00:01:22 think that’s the first time but okay but
00:01:25 when he gives the sacrament when it’s
00:01:27 recorded it says which is shed for many
00:01:31 for the remission of sins not for all
00:01:35 yeah
00:01:36 um
00:01:37 it’s shed for those who would believe
00:01:40 yeah and how do we prove that we believe
00:01:44 our fruits oh no but by praying really
00:01:50 hard and believing really hard
00:01:53 and saying the right words that’s what
00:01:56 it’s all about
00:01:57 wow
00:02:02 we’ll see how that works out for you
00:02:05 we’re all watching we’re all watching
00:02:08 I’m totally joking of course the problem
00:02:11 is Matt you like have become Greek
00:02:15 you’re you’re a nost um you’re a
00:02:18 Hellenist
00:02:20 [Laughter]
00:02:22 better start bringing on some of those
00:02:24 who break traditions though
00:02:29 you can save yours in Hebrew he
00:02:33 well you know
00:02:34 depending on how you want to take the
00:02:37 word Hebrew he never crossed over
00:02:39 right
00:02:41 we are because he never went over to the
00:02:44 wrong side to cross back over from right
00:02:47 yeah he can’t be Hebrew
00:02:51 there you go you got me Matt I just
00:02:53 showed you how to tell me I’m wrong
00:02:56 I shouldn’t go with the Hebrew right
00:02:58 because he wasn’t one yeah but all of
00:03:02 all of us have uh all of all of us have
00:03:05 sinned and therefore we all must be
00:03:07 Hebrew
00:03:11 we almost prosper
00:03:13 ous that’s
00:03:17 it’s interesting
00:03:19 to the diffuse
00:03:22 um and to scatter
00:03:24 that so
00:03:27 um
00:03:28 Dave atonement right yes yes one of the
00:03:32 things they do
00:03:33 inside the high priest
00:03:36 uh inside the holy holies
00:03:39 they scatter the blood yes
00:03:44 and look at that it goes right back
00:03:46 because the shed I wouldn’t have
00:03:49 without looking out in the blood gutter
00:03:51 yeah that’s shedding the blood
00:03:56 so
00:03:58 since I bring it up I’ll tell you
00:04:00 something else I think that that has
00:04:02 come to me that I I think
00:04:04 is part of why that’s being done there
00:04:07 missionary work
00:04:09 you’re going you know
00:04:11 and and
00:04:12 cleansing the people to bringing them to
00:04:15 him around the world
00:04:22 but right now I’m just looking at the
00:04:25 the definition of shed
00:04:27 no not all the definitions right that I
00:04:31 think that adds more meaning to what
00:04:33 they’re doing there I mean I still think
00:04:35 missionary work still has a part of it
00:04:37 but
00:04:38 right now I would say this has more to
00:04:42 do with it shedding of his blood because
00:04:45 scattering is apparently shedding and I
00:04:48 didn’t know that
00:04:50 now the the sprinkling the spring the
00:04:52 sprinkling of blood at the day of
00:04:54 atonement it’s there’s so many things in
00:04:58 those
00:05:00 and the rituals of the Beast days
00:05:04 that just
00:05:06 point point to and build up a love
00:05:12 a love for Yahweh
00:05:14 hello foreign
00:05:20 um I I know
00:05:23 along with that
00:05:25 the Two Goats there’s a lot of
00:05:27 interesting Terriers out there yeah the
00:05:30 Judas yeah the the scapegoat and the uh
00:05:36 so personally
00:05:39 I believe they’re they both represent
00:05:41 yahshua different aspects of what he did
00:05:44 unlike I think most people actually
00:05:47 teach
00:05:48 um for the Escape go is somewhat to a
00:05:52 degree is like it’s going to hell like
00:05:55 Yeshua did yes for us
00:05:57 um
00:05:58 it’s
00:06:00 not Satan as a lot of people teach no no
00:06:05 what never was this guy
00:06:08 for one thing
00:06:10 the offerings on the day of atonement
00:06:13 are supposed to atone for sin how can
00:06:15 Satan atone for sin
00:06:16 well I agree with you
00:06:21 people have some explanations though
00:06:22 I’ll just leave it at that they’re wrong
00:06:25 obviously
00:06:28 um
00:06:29 some people also tried to tie it to
00:06:32 Judas too but I anyway yeah the the well
00:06:37 the
00:06:39 that
00:06:41 oh yeah with the whole idea of the Judas
00:06:44 goat and what have you but the Judas
00:06:46 ghost actually the Judas goat is a
00:06:47 different thing entirely oh I’ve seen
00:06:50 some ties to the day at the moment but
00:06:52 that’s the goat that led the Sheep to
00:06:54 the slaughterhouse that’s that’s the
00:06:55 goat that’s the the Judas goat is
00:06:59 actually fairly commonly used in modern
00:07:02 day
00:07:04 um sheep raising to lead the Sheep into
00:07:08 the slaughterhouse
00:07:11 they build they they put a goat in with
00:07:14 the sheep and the Sheep build up
00:07:16 um rapport with the goat the goat leads
00:07:18 them as it begins to lead them in they
00:07:20 pull the goat out of the out of the herd
00:07:23 and the sheep in their Panic blind Rush
00:07:26 Panic rush into the slaughterhouse
00:07:31 okay well anyways
00:07:33 um so back to this
00:07:36 so this right here kind of reminds me
00:07:39 of the video that we just watched yeah
00:07:42 and the flower shedding their their
00:07:44 sweetness of fragrance I wouldn’t have
00:07:49 to diffuse we just said it that way but
00:07:51 I can see that I’m in diffuse
00:07:53 well and you you create
00:07:56 you create
00:07:58 um
00:07:59 that’s how you create oils from the uh
00:08:01 from the flowers
00:08:05 yeah like through the through the
00:08:08 diffusing process
00:08:10 um
00:08:12 anyways
00:08:14 that’s interesting
00:08:19 building
00:08:25 that’s uh oh no that that’s that’s
00:08:28 that’s that yeah I don’t think that
00:08:30 that’s necessarily no no no I mean we’re
00:08:34 supposed to come under him but I I don’t
00:08:36 think that’s what it’s referring to all
00:08:38 right
00:08:39 and for the uh for the emblems of the
00:08:42 sacrament I don’t know that that’s
00:08:43 necessarily yeah I wouldn’t a way to an
00:08:47 appropriate way to look there are some
00:08:49 other places like when in Isaiah when it
00:08:51 talks about
00:08:53 sheds and shelters Etc that would be
00:08:56 appropriate
00:08:57 I would agree with you
00:09:10 so can I have my question answered about
00:09:13 we can do that your question now so um
00:09:16 which one is more important to you and
00:09:18 we can start with that one
00:09:20 so First Corinthians chapter 7
00:09:25 um
00:09:27 verse 28 on down
00:09:30 or 27 on down
00:09:34 I mean he hinted into being like married
00:09:37 and then but then you have strong
00:09:39 problems if you’re married that
00:09:41 basically what I understood is basically
00:09:43 don’t be married and then
00:09:45 just stay celibate and we’ll work with
00:09:47 the Lord but then he says
00:09:50 25 on down you said
00:09:52 but
00:09:57 I think a lot of people take these
00:09:59 verses out of context but
00:10:02 um you want to read America or do you
00:10:04 want one of us to read them
00:10:08 all right guys please why don’t you read
00:10:09 it
00:10:10 all right so 29
00:10:15 Yeah well yeah I’m 27 and then I’m down
00:10:18 okay yeah
00:10:20 so art thou bound unto a wife
00:10:23 seek not to be loosed or the loose from
00:10:27 a wife seek not a wife
00:10:31 um Okay so
00:10:33 uh I I think this goes back to the law
00:10:36 actually
00:10:38 um well
00:10:44 at least the law is
00:10:49 this is so Paul’s letters are an
00:10:53 interesting conundrum on on some aspects
00:10:57 in that
00:10:59 we only see one side of the conversation
00:11:01 right
00:11:02 like in today like we can listen to
00:11:05 people
00:11:06 talking on their phones when we hear one
00:11:08 side so we have to infer what the other
00:11:10 side is
00:11:12 um and so I do think this McConkey
00:11:15 summary here is
00:11:17 a good thing to go off of here okay and
00:11:20 sometimes I don’t agree with McConkey
00:11:22 well actually probably more than
00:11:24 sometimes but anyways I do think this is
00:11:26 important to keep in track what’s what’s
00:11:28 going on here okay because I think a lot
00:11:31 of people will use this to just talk
00:11:33 about marriage in general
00:11:35 and I don’t think that’s what’s going on
00:11:37 here it’s among those called on missions
00:11:40 yeah he’s talking about those on
00:11:42 missions
00:11:44 and missions are a time you’re supposed
00:11:46 to be dedicated
00:11:49 uh to Yahweh okay
00:11:52 not part-time or
00:11:55 quarter time you know I don’t know what
00:11:58 full-time and so a lot of what I can
00:12:01 because I read this a little bit earlier
00:12:03 and so I thought about it a little bit
00:12:06 um
00:12:08 I think if we take in account that
00:12:12 um those who have been on LDS Missions
00:12:15 or those who’ve married a missionary or
00:12:18 know some of the culture there’s the the
00:12:20 talk that they’re supposed to give
00:12:22 um the leadership the mission leadership
00:12:25 is supposed to give Lock Your Heart
00:12:27 Right
00:12:28 uh I think this is basically
00:12:31 a lock your heart speech here uh these
00:12:34 verses
00:12:35 are thou bound on the wife seek not to
00:12:39 be loose so if you were married when you
00:12:41 started your mission
00:12:42 don’t get divorced
00:12:44 all right if you’re single when you
00:12:47 start your mission don’t get married
00:12:48 yeah don’t while you can pay your wife
00:12:51 while you’re on your mission
00:12:54 um oh I get it so he’s responding to a
00:12:58 letter of what the missionaries would do
00:13:00 in their missions
00:13:03 okay I got it that makes sense to
00:13:07 context is a big thing no
00:13:11 um
00:13:13 we’d have to go look further up I I
00:13:16 don’t know if the context is obvious of
00:13:18 if he’s talking to missionaries here or
00:13:20 not I I cheated a little bit I I just
00:13:23 looked at the chapter briefly and and
00:13:26 the summary a little bit and thought
00:13:28 about
00:13:29 um or the verses that you asked about
00:13:32 and the solution really is in this case
00:13:35 mcconkey’s uh intro here but you got to
00:13:39 be careful with those things okay
00:13:42 these are special
00:13:44 instructions to those who are on a
00:13:46 mission
00:13:47 right when you’re on a mission
00:13:49 if you were married while you’re on a
00:13:51 mission
00:13:52 do your best to stay married
00:13:55 if you’re a single don’t go looking for
00:13:58 a wife while you’re in in other words
00:14:00 you’re not to be seeking the pleasures
00:14:02 of the flesh
00:14:03 you’ve been seeking the partner you’re
00:14:05 going to be seeking you’re to be doing
00:14:07 the all this business
00:14:09 as in building the kingdom yeah not only
00:14:13 is a different business and it’s still
00:14:14 yeah it’s business but it’s just it’s a
00:14:16 different it’s a different point it’s a
00:14:18 different uh different venue yeah
00:14:22 um it’s a different calling or whatever
00:14:23 you want but anyways but now if thou
00:14:26 marry
00:14:28 s thou Hast not sinned and if a Virgin
00:14:33 Mary
00:14:35 uh she hath not sinned nonetheless such
00:14:39 shall have trouble in the flesh but I
00:14:41 inspire you so trouble in the flesh is
00:14:44 just you know not being able to control
00:14:46 your urges right right
00:14:50 so if you’re having problem with that
00:14:53 maybe you should go find somebody you
00:14:55 like to take care of it but anyways
00:14:59 um and if a Virgin Mary so
00:15:03 a virgin is in the Hebrew context is
00:15:09 very misunderstood in the Greek context
00:15:12 they’re different
00:15:14 in in the Greek mindset is someone who
00:15:18 hasn’t had sex
00:15:21 in the Hebrew
00:15:23 context or way of thinking it’s uh
00:15:27 a woman of childbearing age
00:15:34 it’s not someone who has not had not had
00:15:37 sex and Isaiah 7 and 8 shows that we can
00:15:41 get into it if you want
00:15:43 um but aversion is
00:15:46 uh a child bearing age woman that is
00:15:51 what a virgin is
00:15:54 um
00:15:55 so if you’re a woman who can have kids
00:16:00 and you got married that’s not a sin
00:16:03 I don’t know who is calling it it’s him
00:16:05 but I mean Paul’s dealing with some
00:16:08 probably issues that we don’t have too
00:16:09 much today
00:16:11 he’s dealing with the same issues that
00:16:13 caused celibacy the idea of celibacy uh
00:16:16 yeah okay I would agree with that
00:16:19 um because some Christian churches have
00:16:23 that issue
00:16:25 um
00:16:25 and and but they got it from the pagans
00:16:29 which is kind of who he’s writing to
00:16:31 right so right that makes complete sense
00:16:35 um
00:16:37 but I say
00:16:39 but this I say brother the time is short
00:16:41 Romania but
00:16:44 that both
00:16:47 that have wives shall be through
00:16:54 um
00:16:56 foreign
00:16:57 I’m not sure what that’s saying other
00:17:00 than Maybe
00:17:01 keep to your work and I mean your
00:17:03 mission call isn’t for long would be my
00:17:06 quick guess
00:17:09 this is all this could also be a
00:17:12 reference to um
00:17:16 time of uh it could be a reference to
00:17:19 the things that were about to happen
00:17:21 shortly as well
00:17:30 translation on that because that first
00:17:32 word is highlighted okay let’s that’s a
00:17:36 good idea let’s go tap on the is that a
00:17:39 a hyperlink yeah the butt oh jst here
00:17:45 let’s let’s go okay can I speak unto you
00:17:47 who are called on to the ministry for
00:17:49 this I say the time that remaineth is
00:17:50 but short the E shall be sent forth unto
00:17:53 the ministry even they who have wives
00:17:56 shall be as though they had none
00:17:58 wow this makes it so much more clear
00:18:00 well that’s kind of
00:18:02 it’s almost what I was kind of starting
00:18:04 but yeah you were going
00:18:06 there good catch for you are called and
00:18:10 chosen to do the Lord’s work hold on
00:18:12 hold on let’s go switch the jst
00:18:13 completely
00:18:14 [Laughter]
00:18:18 um
00:18:23 T is a great
00:18:25 like kind of going along the same Arena
00:18:29 he must have been inspired or something
00:18:31 he might he must have been he might have
00:18:34 been maybe the Corinthians First
00:18:36 Corinthians yes
00:18:39 seven
00:18:42 okay yeah there’s a they’re okay you
00:18:46 shall be a simple even
00:18:48 they who have life shall be as though
00:18:51 they had none for ye are called and
00:18:53 chosen to do the Lord’s work and it
00:18:55 shall be with them who weep as though
00:18:57 they wept not and them who rejoice as
00:19:01 though they rejoiced not and them who
00:19:03 buy as though they possessed not and
00:19:06 them who use this world as not using it
00:19:10 for the fashion of this world passeth
00:19:12 away
00:19:13 so he’s talking about a time when the
00:19:16 world passes away the the way of things
00:19:19 and this is a
00:19:22 one thing I do want to say real quick
00:19:24 and I don’t remember if we got that far
00:19:26 yet but
00:19:28 um yeah looking at
00:19:30 29 without the jst So He restored
00:19:34 Ministry makes it a lot more obvious
00:19:36 what’s going on this is missionaries and
00:19:39 then also in here verse 29 I would say
00:19:42 it’s as if you weren’t already married
00:19:44 is because your wife stayed at home on
00:19:48 the mission with you so it’s like you
00:19:50 didn’t have a wife huh
00:19:55 well so much for those who say that the
00:19:58 uh 144 000 or uh couples
00:20:06 yeah that’s that’s something that we ran
00:20:08 into on uh
00:20:10 that’s something we ran into on a on a
00:20:14 line that on a uh
00:20:17 on a uh telegram line that we’re on oh I
00:20:22 haven’t run across that one yeah that’s
00:20:24 uh yeah that’s something that we ran
00:20:26 into on there and I’m just like and I’m
00:20:29 just like uh
00:20:32 you obviously haven’t read the Joseph
00:20:35 Smith translation
00:20:38 I think
00:20:41 it’s going to sound bad but
00:20:43 a lot of these groups are so focused on
00:20:47 learning something new
00:20:49 right they’re they’re addicted to new
00:20:53 cool sexy ideas
00:20:55 sorry people oh you said sexy
00:20:59 Go full
00:21:01 um
00:21:03 but what they should be doing is
00:21:05 becoming
00:21:06 yeah something like Joshua and because
00:21:09 otherwise
00:21:11 is learning and then keeping Torah yeah
00:21:15 but whoever whoever puts learning before
00:21:18 becoming
00:21:21 they become as these people that Paul
00:21:23 talks about who are Forever Learning and
00:21:25 never coming to a knowledge of the truth
00:21:27 yeah
00:21:28 because you’ll never know until you do
00:21:31 yep that’s
00:21:34 um so I completely agree with him in
00:21:36 fact
00:21:36 um I I like one from Yeshua on the New
00:21:39 Testament that you won’t know if it came
00:21:41 from me or for man until you do it which
00:21:43 is saying the same thing as Paul just a
00:21:45 slightly different way right yeah
00:21:47 probably in a prop in a much clearer way
00:21:50 actually
00:21:54 well I think it might depend on who
00:21:56 you’re talking to which one’s more clear
00:21:57 and which one’s not right but yeah I see
00:22:00 him teaching the same thing yeah I I see
00:22:03 it pretty clearly especially when you
00:22:05 especially when you especially when you
00:22:08 take in a lot of the stuff from the
00:22:09 Joseph Smith translation it makes Paul
00:22:11 so much more clear it also makes it
00:22:14 absolutely positive that Paul is not
00:22:16 throwing the ball on the bus
00:22:21 a lot more clear
00:22:23 and yeah I should have brought up looked
00:22:26 for the jst initially but I yeah I was
00:22:30 trying to do other stuff too so usually
00:22:32 when if it’s LDS scriptures that you’re
00:22:35 looking at or something like that or
00:22:37 Kindle if the first word is highlighted
00:22:41 or hyperlinked it’s usually a jst it’s
00:22:45 usually for that verse
00:22:47 so I I do know the uh LDS church doesn’t
00:22:51 put much of the jst in
00:22:53 yeah I don’t know well they yeah because
00:22:57 most of the jst condemns them completely
00:23:01 that’s why Brigham Young hated it
00:23:04 um
00:23:06 okay let’s go back to this I’m I forget
00:23:09 where you left off uh verse 30 I
00:23:11 finished verse 31.
00:23:13 verse 32.
00:23:15 but I would Brethren that he magnify
00:23:18 your calling say this is all about those
00:23:21 who are getting called to the ministry
00:23:24 well I would have you without because
00:23:28 um
00:23:29 it’s a missionary going to the
00:23:33 unbelievers is different than a call
00:23:35 inside the church yeah true true yeah
00:23:38 for those who are going on inside the
00:23:40 church it’s still like you’re married
00:23:42 because yeah yeah so this is about this
00:23:46 is magnify your calling as a missionary
00:23:48 you might
00:23:50 it’s really clear at this point I would
00:23:53 have you without carefulness
00:23:56 so you that’s what
00:23:59 that’s what that’s why
00:24:02 for he who is unmarried for he was
00:24:05 unmarried careth for the things that
00:24:07 belong to the Lord how he may please the
00:24:09 Lord there with therefore he prevaileth
00:24:13 meaning if you’re not married when you
00:24:15 go on your mission it’s a lot easier
00:24:17 because you’re not worried about taking
00:24:18 care of your wife well my wife my family
00:24:21 my kids
00:24:22 right because
00:24:24 um just
00:24:25 go along with that that I a verse that I
00:24:28 find important on another subject but it
00:24:31 relates to this also yes thank you that
00:24:36 makes sense
00:24:37 um with the contests and everything on
00:24:39 down he just keeps saying and adding to
00:24:41 it the same things
00:24:43 so since I already understood that it’s
00:24:46 easy now to understand everything else
00:24:49 he said I was just rereading it yeah but
00:24:51 it’s always good to ask questions about
00:24:54 Paul because as Peter says some things
00:24:56 that Paul says are hard to be understood
00:24:59 yeah well I I know
00:25:01 um
00:25:04 I don’t focus on the New Testament but I
00:25:07 kind of I look at it and I study it
00:25:10 um but I know a lot of people out there
00:25:13 will try to use these verses to say we
00:25:16 shouldn’t get married and that’s not
00:25:17 what’s going on because Paul was married
00:25:19 he was in widower yeah his wife died
00:25:24 yes
00:25:27 um and so there’s a you know I I wish
00:25:30 you were unmarried like me it’s not
00:25:32 because
00:25:33 marriage was bad it’s just he was a
00:25:35 widower not married so while he was
00:25:38 doing his missionary efforts he didn’t
00:25:39 have to worry about having his wife
00:25:41 getting taken care of at the same time
00:25:43 because right right here here’s another
00:25:46 verse in the New Testament
00:25:48 but if any provide not for his own is
00:25:52 you know direct family
00:25:54 especially for those of his own house oh
00:25:56 look he’s done it just said what I’m
00:25:58 just emphasized he denieth the faith and
00:26:02 worse than an infidel
00:26:04 yeah and that’s primarily for men
00:26:08 I mean there’s some application to women
00:26:11 but this is primarily for men but
00:26:13 anyways yes
00:26:15 um some which goes along with why
00:26:19 they’re being worried about taking
00:26:21 making sure their whys are being taken
00:26:23 care of and they’re being a little
00:26:24 distracted it’s related and it’s related
00:26:27 to Unique roles and um what we what
00:26:32 we’re the things that we’re supposed to
00:26:34 accomplish yes
00:26:37 well
00:26:38 um and then I had another question but
00:26:40 it’s a messiah uh okay did you so you
00:26:44 don’t want to finish reading through
00:26:45 this then or
00:26:47 I got it man okay all right
00:26:51 well I guess that wasn’t too hard to
00:26:54 help you there
00:26:55 yeah once I got the context and I was
00:26:57 like oh okay that makes a lot more sense
00:27:00 than did he just I’m thinking he’s
00:27:02 telling them to do this stuff yeah
00:27:05 then when you’re thinking that it’s a
00:27:08 general injunction yeah yes 10 and now
00:27:11 it shall come to pass that whosoever
00:27:13 shall
00:27:14 foreign
00:27:19 chapter 15.
00:27:23 um
00:27:28 that so even on uh verse 4 is the whole
00:27:33 thing just like so
00:27:37 um my question is this is saying that
00:27:40 God is one
00:27:42 and because uh in the chapter and
00:27:45 because Jesus is God and so he became
00:27:48 the God of this world
00:27:49 um
00:27:50 so he is the father
00:27:53 so who is he talking to then is there a
00:27:56 father and son didn’t Joseph Smith see
00:27:58 two people no Joseph did not see two
00:28:01 people that is the Edition images in the
00:28:06 Joe Smith history and that one was not
00:28:08 written by Joseph Smith only one written
00:28:11 by Joseph Smith’s hand is the 1832.
00:28:22 only
00:28:24 um so why why is that account I mean the
00:28:27 voice of Heaven said you know here’s my
00:28:30 son and I’m you know when he was
00:28:31 baptized
00:28:34 um and also announced his coming right
00:28:36 so how does that happen if he
00:28:39 so there is a God the father and God the
00:28:41 son
00:28:42 so
00:28:43 um we can get into this but on that
00:28:45 answer
00:28:47 men can do that they can men
00:28:50 can throw their voice
00:28:52 today and have been for hundreds of
00:28:55 years
00:28:56 and make it sound like it came from
00:28:58 somewhere else
00:29:02 ventriloquism yeah
00:29:06 um it it is kind of weird though I agree
00:29:11 um but on this subject I can show lots
00:29:14 of Book of Mormon verses including the
00:29:17 sacrament which we just took that shows
00:29:20 that the father is the sun period
00:29:23 it’s in Isaiah also uh there shall be
00:29:28 none but me that shall work out your
00:29:32 salvation that’s a summary that’s not
00:29:34 the exact quote none shall be exalted
00:29:36 the none but the Lord shall be exalted
00:29:38 in that day many many times that said
00:29:41 Isaiah and there is no God but me
00:29:45 uh one thought that I’ve had if I could
00:29:48 just make a comment real quick sure
00:29:52 um this is something that I have been
00:29:54 thinking about a lot
00:29:57 um and this is just you know a guess or
00:29:59 whatever for me
00:30:01 trying to make sense of
00:30:04 something but
00:30:06 um we’re told you know that time is only
00:30:09 measured unto man
00:30:10 yeah I think it’s um so
00:30:16 um the thought came to me that you know
00:30:19 maybe it’s possible for God to be in two
00:30:21 places at once
00:30:27 I’m it’s an interesting thought
00:30:30 um
00:30:31 I I think also there’s a lot of things
00:30:35 that we just don’t know how it works for
00:30:38 example we don’t know but it was just an
00:30:40 interesting thought I I mean I I that
00:30:43 could be I I don’t know
00:30:46 um one of my main questions actually
00:30:48 with the I mean I believe that God is
00:30:50 one
00:30:52 but I always wonder you know like when
00:30:54 he is in the flesh on Earth I feel like
00:30:57 somebody needed to be up there ruling
00:30:59 heaven or like
00:31:01 like it seems like God would have been
00:31:04 absent from
00:31:05 you know
00:31:07 his role up there uh oh I see what
00:31:11 you’re saying sure
00:31:13 um
00:31:13 so this gets into what I was starting to
00:31:15 talk about so
00:31:18 and I’m not just uh following the
00:31:20 pattern in the Book of Mormon in Alma
00:31:22 12. I was being serious about that but
00:31:24 anyways I think all that dialogue but in
00:31:28 in ether three and four
00:31:32 um the brother Jared saw Joshua
00:31:35 you saw him as is his adult figure
00:31:39 he didn’t seem as a baby
00:31:42 right
00:31:43 and so
00:31:46 when we come down and get into our
00:31:48 baby’s bodies
00:31:51 our Spirits aren’t babies
00:31:55 yeshua’s Spirit didn’t grow after
00:31:59 was baptized
00:32:06 so I
00:32:08 I don’t understand how our Spirits
00:32:10 control our bodies
00:32:12 and you know what
00:32:15 he’s not going to tell me he’s not going
00:32:17 to tell you either
00:32:19 and this is something that Satan wants
00:32:22 to know but he’s not going to find out
00:32:26 because this is one of the reasons why
00:32:29 Satan camp
00:32:32 put his followers into a body
00:32:35 because he doesn’t know how to do that
00:32:37 and get him to stick
00:32:40 right
00:32:42 I there’s some of these things that I
00:32:45 just
00:32:46 what about the others there’s so many
00:32:49 like scriptures and things when Jesus
00:32:51 that he would so I’m still confused
00:32:54 about it so I know he’s the father
00:32:56 because he’s the father of his
00:32:59 um of his body
00:33:01 right so that makes him the father so
00:33:03 who is he talking to on everything he’s
00:33:06 not the father of his body is
00:33:09 this is Joseph
00:33:11 the husband of Mary
00:33:13 says the father not a common belief I’m
00:33:16 going to tell you right now
00:33:20 probably figure I’m talking about
00:33:23 um like he had to
00:33:25 put himself there right because she was
00:33:29 a virgin
00:33:30 what no virgin means a woman of
00:33:34 childbearing age it doesn’t mean someone
00:33:36 who has not had sex
00:33:38 so
00:33:40 Joseph
00:33:42 yeshua’s physical father was Joseph the
00:33:45 husband of Mary
00:33:47 that is an uncommon unorthodox belief
00:33:50 so Mary
00:33:52 she wasn’t she wasn’t a virgin in the
00:33:56 Greek
00:33:56 my way of thinking of it
00:34:01 in fact the the way that the Catholic
00:34:04 church has modified those verses that
00:34:06 makes it sound like that she was
00:34:08 actually goes against Torah
00:34:10 actually
00:34:11 but that’s a whole other issue and
00:34:14 there’s older manuscripts that actually
00:34:16 show that Joseph is yeshua’s father and
00:34:21 I I believe this but this guy
00:34:27 um I’ve read
00:34:34 so if this guy this is both of the
00:34:37 Divergent genealogies found in Matthew
00:34:39 and Luke also so the first place I saw
00:34:43 this is in the Hebrew Matthew
00:34:46 which is more known but it’s still not
00:34:49 very well known and when you go look at
00:34:52 the passages that deal with yeshua’s
00:34:55 birth
00:34:55 it’s different
00:34:57 than in the
00:35:00 um
00:35:01 kg King James version of that
00:35:06 and I trust the Hebrew Matthew more
00:35:10 um on top of that
00:35:12 this guy that wrote this book Yeshua the
00:35:14 Paranormal son
00:35:17 of David
00:35:19 uh he’s gone through tons of old
00:35:22 manuscripts including a
00:35:25 a Break
00:35:27 um
00:35:28 how to break
00:35:32 the language that the Islam speaks
00:35:34 Arabian
00:35:36 um Arabic Arabic he’s going through
00:35:39 Arabic old manuscripts also and that’s
00:35:42 unless you really start studying the
00:35:43 Bible and the different manuscripts most
00:35:46 people don’t even know there’s those
00:35:47 manuscripts even existed in the first
00:35:49 place but he’s gone through some of
00:35:50 these older ones and even some of the
00:35:52 older uh Hebrew and Greek ones what it
00:35:56 does not say
00:35:59 that or allude to that Mary was a Greek
00:36:05 virgin
00:36:06 it does not
00:36:08 here’s an interesting here now so
00:36:14 accepting this accepting this because it
00:36:17 does seem to have scholarly because it
00:36:19 does have scholarly backing
00:36:21 accepting this how do we go with um how
00:36:25 do how do we understand mosiah 15 3
00:36:27 which says that uh basically Christ is
00:36:31 the father because he was conceived by
00:36:32 the power of God
00:36:34 okay well here let me and he bear the
00:36:36 sins of many and made intercession for
00:36:38 the transgressors
00:36:44 hold on let me get the the link I can
00:36:47 give
00:36:48 um real quick and then we can go look at
00:36:49 the verses because I I can show it from
00:36:51 The Book of Mormon without these other
00:36:53 things but it’s good to have
00:36:55 confirmations for people right
00:36:59 um yeah the main the main thing is the
00:37:03 main thing you hear is drawing out the
00:37:06 entire
00:37:08 line of thought yeah so reviewers
00:37:13 this is a tough subject for a lot of
00:37:16 people
00:37:17 um but what about when he says the only
00:37:19 begotten
00:37:20 the only begotten Son of God begotten is
00:37:23 a bad translation of beloved if you ask
00:37:26 me he’s the only loved because he’s the
00:37:29 only one that never sinned
00:37:34 um Okay so
00:37:38 let’s get a little context here okay
00:37:40 what’s happening just before verse or
00:37:42 not verse chapter 15. what’s going on
00:37:45 chapter 14 you know
00:37:47 he uh in chapter 14 he quotes Isaiah
00:37:51 about
00:37:52 um
00:37:55 it’s it’s about his life mission right
00:37:59 moment right which is what he’s coming
00:38:02 out here what he came to do
00:38:06 and it’s actually it’s the Forbidden
00:38:08 Isaiah chapter if you go to Jewish
00:38:10 synagogue but anyways
00:38:13 yeah
00:38:16 because it’s obviously Yeshua would you
00:38:19 go read it and look at the history yeah
00:38:23 anyways
00:38:25 um so there’s this question in the
00:38:28 Jewish mind with that chapter is how can
00:38:31 he do that right in fact knowing that
00:38:37 Yeshua is the father and the son it
00:38:40 actually helps make
00:38:43 that entity it makes God look more
00:38:46 merciful than some just Monster God that
00:38:50 needs blood
00:38:52 because if they’re separate Isaiah 53
00:38:55 can look like
00:38:56 God is a monster that needs blood to
00:38:58 forgive people versus if they’re
00:39:01 actually the same entity with different
00:39:04 and these are different titles
00:39:06 as in modalism which is what I am and I
00:39:09 see Book of Mormon teaches I see DNC
00:39:12 teach it I see New Testament teach it I
00:39:13 see Old Testament teach it and I see
00:39:15 lectures on faith teach it
00:39:18 um anyways
00:39:19 it makes him merciful
00:39:22 because
00:39:23 he came down himself
00:39:25 on his own volition
00:39:28 to save us because of his love not
00:39:31 because he was ordered to
00:39:35 this is how you can have a merciful and
00:39:38 just God
00:39:42 because he did it out of Mercy he did it
00:39:44 out of love not because he was ordered
00:39:50 Jesus also says himself like I do these
00:39:53 things
00:39:54 because I saw my father do them
00:39:59 so he’s that’s him he’s talking about
00:40:01 himself
00:40:10 um
00:40:12 it sounds weird but yeah
00:40:16 do you ever look back to things that you
00:40:18 did to help give you guidance
00:40:21 Yeah but I don’t say I’m my mother
00:40:28 um so
00:40:30 father is a Hebrew idiom for leader
00:40:34 and son and daughter are Hebrew idioms
00:40:37 for followers
00:40:38 so
00:40:40 in English we have a saying that
00:40:44 a good leader is a good follower also
00:40:47 right
00:40:51 and who gave us the law the father who
00:40:56 is
00:40:56 actually the son also but
00:41:00 he came to do the will of his father so
00:41:02 he came down as the son to do what he
00:41:07 said needed to be done as the father he
00:41:10 came down
00:41:13 to follow his own teachings
00:41:16 to show that it’s possible this is in
00:41:18 lectures on faith five states
00:41:23 he had to show that it was possible
00:41:24 because otherwise there couldn’t be
00:41:26 Justice or Mercy
00:41:28 if someone didn’t do it
00:41:30 now to expect people to keep a law that
00:41:32 they cannot keep is not Justice
00:41:34 correct but that’s unjust because if
00:41:37 you’re going to Pardon us for some
00:41:38 punish someone for doing for not being
00:41:41 able to do something you knew they
00:41:42 couldn’t do that’s unjust
00:41:45 but he part of the reason he came down
00:41:48 was to show that it is possible and he
00:41:51 did that as the son as a follower
00:41:55 and so
00:41:57 part of what helps make this make more
00:42:00 sense is knowing what these words
00:42:03 mean to a Hebrew Jew mind
00:42:08 if you’re only looking at these words
00:42:10 with the Greek Western mind
00:42:14 it’s not going to make any sense
00:42:16 but these weren’t written to us
00:42:19 I mean even the Book of Mormon States
00:42:22 three people this was written to right
00:42:25 the lamanites Hebrews Jews Hebrews and
00:42:31 possibly the Gentiles if they repent
00:42:34 which means returning to the law which
00:42:37 means crossing over becoming Hebrew yeah
00:42:40 which means as Ben just said becoming
00:42:45 Hebrew I mean even in the Book of Mormon
00:42:47 teaches when you’re saved you get
00:42:49 adopted into the house of Israel which
00:42:53 when you go into a house and you’re
00:42:54 adopted into it you start to accept the
00:42:56 ways of thinking their cultures their
00:42:59 holidays and so on
00:43:02 you are now a Hebrew
00:43:05 I have another comment to make from this
00:43:08 yeah so if we go down to verse five
00:43:12 here and it says thus the flesh becoming
00:43:16 subject to the spirit
00:43:18 or the son to the father
00:43:21 so here you can infer that the sun means
00:43:24 the Flesh and the father means the
00:43:27 spirit
00:43:28 exactly
00:43:29 we should go read through these two but
00:43:31 yes it does a good way to put bringing
00:43:36 out from the scripture is what I’m
00:43:37 saying
00:43:40 I thought maybe we should just go read
00:43:42 it
00:43:43 um so and but the context
00:43:47 of this
00:43:49 is
00:43:50 I it Benedict just reading Isaiah 53
00:43:53 okay
00:43:55 um yeah the Forbidden The Forbidden
00:43:57 chapter
00:43:59 yes the Forbidden chapter
00:44:01 um
00:44:02 because it’s so obvious if you know
00:44:04 enough history
00:44:05 it’s obvious who it is I mean
00:44:08 back then it might not have been so
00:44:10 obvious right when it was happening
00:44:11 right
00:44:13 with hindsight
00:44:15 it’s obvious and that’s why they forbid
00:44:17 it they also forbid reading Daniel
00:44:20 especially chapter nine
00:44:22 I’m not kidding you no they do because
00:44:25 it speaks of the cessation of the uh of
00:44:29 the daily offering
00:44:30 yeah uh and I I’ve had Jews try to tell
00:44:34 me Yeshua is not the Messiah and I’ll
00:44:36 bring up Isaiah 53 and Daniel 9 and they
00:44:39 go quiet they can’t refute them
00:44:45 it’s so obvious and they know it anyways
00:44:49 uh they just don’t like it
00:44:51 because of he showed that
00:44:54 what they’re not doing is actually
00:44:56 possible but anyways
00:44:58 um
00:45:01 who is the Holy Ghost then I just know
00:45:04 that he’s the spirit of a man no he’s
00:45:06 not he’s I don’t even know
00:45:09 so the Holy Ghost yeah you’re getting
00:45:12 that from DNC 130 which is actually not
00:45:15 a revelation it’s
00:45:18 um
00:45:18 supposed transcript from a talk from
00:45:21 Joseph Smith and I think there was two
00:45:24 or four scribes I don’t remember for
00:45:27 sure I can give you a resource where you
00:45:28 can get more details lectures on faith
00:45:31 five the Holy Ghost is defined as the
00:45:34 mind and will of God yes I was getting
00:45:37 to that but I was addressing 7 30 first
00:45:41 because that’s that’s how she’s getting
00:45:42 that from yeah um
00:45:46 has a link of a podcast some someone
00:45:50 else did
00:45:51 that talks about DNC 130 and I think
00:45:57 uh
00:46:00 uh the guy that did
00:46:03 has done a lot of good videos one about
00:46:05 the Brigham Young and
00:46:08 polygamy and
00:46:10 bothering you
00:46:12 about fathering him
00:46:15 yeah yeah he he has one on this too I
00:46:19 I’m pretty sure I link it to their I
00:46:21 don’t I’d have to double check but
00:46:22 anyways
00:46:23 DNC 130 is not a revelation as the
00:46:27 brighamite church teaches it’s a
00:46:30 supposed transcript of a talk
00:46:33 and
00:46:34 the multiple scribes that took it
00:46:37 disagree on many many points and if I
00:46:40 remember right the one that the Brigham
00:46:42 mites used came from William law and
00:46:45 William law
00:46:47 all Revelations that are tied to him are
00:46:50 very very suspicious to me including
00:46:52 132. just so you know who this is coming
00:46:56 through to help give oh okay I got it I
00:47:01 don’t find DNC 130.
00:47:03 valid
00:47:05 it’s on my list of ones that I actually
00:47:07 ignore and some it’s on my it’s on my
00:47:11 list of ones that I find that I’m like I
00:47:14 don’t cite this
00:47:16 yeah
00:47:17 um I
00:47:19 I’ll be honest even the part because I
00:47:21 think DNC 130 if I remember correctly
00:47:23 has the one about shaking of the hand I
00:47:25 yes yes I
00:47:28 actually don’t even believe that anymore
00:47:30 I think that’s Masonic Jesuit
00:47:34 teaching yeah that Brigham Young was
00:47:36 pushing
00:47:39 I I I think so along these lines here’s
00:47:43 a little interesting tidbit since we’re
00:47:45 saying that a little bit uh I actually
00:47:48 like um the Narnia series okay
00:47:52 in movie two
00:47:55 guess who puts her hand through a veil
00:48:00 thing to get the good people to shake
00:48:03 her hand to bring the witch
00:48:07 represents the Queen of Heaven which is
00:48:09 Satan
00:48:11 that’s not by accident
00:48:14 okay um anyways do you see 130 is not
00:48:18 authentic if you ask me and if you go
00:48:21 and I said that before I needed this
00:48:23 research because I could see what the
00:48:26 scriptures teach versus what’s being
00:48:28 taught there now some Scholars
00:48:31 who are helpful I mean different people
00:48:34 need different things to help them wake
00:48:35 up okay
00:48:39 um
00:48:39 some of these two Scholars I mentioned
00:48:42 that I believe I have them both on my
00:48:45 um on that Resource page brings out how
00:48:48 Dean when Dean C130 is actually not a
00:48:51 revelation and it’s been modified
00:48:53 multiple times of
00:48:56 the one that they decided to use and
00:48:58 then they changed it and to me this was
00:49:02 Brigham’s
00:49:04 way of bringing the try on God the Pagan
00:49:08 Trion God into the restoration
00:49:12 because the Book of Mormon
00:49:15 DNC New Testament
00:49:18 and especially Old Testament teaches
00:49:21 immortalism yeah
00:49:23 if you can if you can if you take the
00:49:27 DNC as it stood before Joseph Smith was
00:49:30 um
00:49:33 and and maybe even 1844 I think the 1844
00:49:39 Edition is still pretty safe because
00:49:40 some of those things were added uh well
00:49:44 no because some of the things that were
00:49:46 added in 1844 added after he was
00:49:48 murdered after he was murdered it was
00:49:50 during Printing and they added some of
00:49:52 the end yeah well the thing is though
00:49:53 the end the ending thing is is that some
00:49:55 of those sections added in the 1844 have
00:49:57 been really helpful in waking some
00:49:59 people up like Doctrine and Covenant
00:50:01 Section 1 24 which we really mixed
00:50:05 feelings about that one yeah which you
00:50:07 have mixed feelings about but it’s been
00:50:09 helpful in waking some people up to a
00:50:11 knowledge of the situation within the
00:50:14 church wow
00:50:16 because like 124 there’s a couple things
00:50:19 in it and and since this go along with
00:50:22 the subject that we’re kind of on as a
00:50:25 subject of the main one is Temple stuff
00:50:27 in it
00:50:28 yeah and
00:50:29 um well
00:50:32 why didn’t this day if they Yahweh
00:50:35 actually gave that promise and then just
00:50:37 finish the temple they could have just
00:50:38 stayed but they didn’t finish the temple
00:50:40 and then they went West so no matter
00:50:43 what you think about that section I I
00:50:46 think it’s not authentic
00:50:48 but
00:50:50 um if you actually believe it there’s
00:50:51 multiple problems you have to Grapple
00:50:53 with because especially if you’re a
00:50:55 brigamind because why don’t you stay
00:50:57 it told you if you finish the temple
00:51:00 well what if you have the power of my
00:51:03 protection as yahweh’s protection well I
00:51:06 well the thing is is that it states that
00:51:08 if you finish the temple within within
00:51:10 an acceptable time
00:51:12 just so why didn’t they make it a focus
00:51:13 but anyways
00:51:15 um exactly but and that’s and that’s and
00:51:18 and that’s and that’s the point there’s
00:51:19 a lot of problems in there for uh
00:51:22 Brigham and there’s a lot of there’s a
00:51:24 lot of it does do a good job of raising
00:51:27 awareness to the of the problems with
00:51:30 brighamite claim to
00:51:33 um truth and uh sure and
00:51:38 I mean you just look at bringing young
00:51:39 statements just on this because bringing
00:51:41 them at times will say yeah they
00:51:43 finished it and other times it’s like no
00:51:45 our first temple that was ever finished
00:51:46 was the Saint George one right he can’t
00:51:50 make up his mind you know that’s what
00:51:51 he’s doing he’s just saying whatever
00:51:53 goes along with the narrative that he
00:51:55 wants to push at the time
00:51:56 it sounds like it sounds like our
00:51:59 government
00:52:00 but yeah
00:52:02 that’s very true yeah that’s another
00:52:04 subject
00:52:05 um but
00:52:07 anyways
00:52:09 um so let’s go look at Dean’s uh
00:52:11 lectures on faith five since
00:52:13 um Ben brought it up and we’ll look at
00:52:15 my uh sorry I jumped sorry I jumped the
00:52:18 gun on that no that’s fine
00:52:20 I I you’re excited about it I’m glad
00:52:23 about that
00:52:24 [Laughter]
00:52:26 well it really just brings an
00:52:28 understanding of it really brings a real
00:52:31 understanding of what God revealed to
00:52:34 Joseph Smith was the nature of the Holy
00:52:36 Ghost right so I’ll tell you as God
00:52:41 taught me this
00:52:43 for a while I had a hard time with the
00:52:45 lectures on faith lecture five of this
00:52:48 because I didn’t know how to understand
00:52:50 it
00:52:52 but guess what my key was to figure it
00:52:54 out
00:52:56 dictionary I’m not kidding you okay
00:52:59 it was the dictionary
00:53:01 personage yeah let’s so the word that
00:53:04 tripped me up was personage because I
00:53:07 thought it was just a pen another way of
00:53:08 saying person
00:53:09 it’s not
00:53:11 uh personage means something different
00:53:16 so it means a man or woman of distinct
00:53:20 as you know
00:53:22 distinction an illustrious person
00:53:26 so exterior appearance
00:53:30 exterior parents
00:53:33 uh
00:53:34 tall person
00:53:37 character assumed
00:53:40 and that’s the real teller yeah
00:53:44 well I think the awesome would apply but
00:53:47 I think some are more obvious than
00:53:49 others
00:53:50 a character assumed character
00:53:54 represented and
00:53:58 two and three I think make it more
00:54:00 obvious I can actually see it in number
00:54:01 one too
00:54:03 um this is how you’re portraying
00:54:05 yourself out to other people to the
00:54:08 public which would be a mode
00:54:12 yeah that’s where the term modalism
00:54:15 comes into play
00:54:16 is multiple modes or another way to put
00:54:20 it in today’s language is different
00:54:21 titles or different job responsibilities
00:54:25 yeah because I I’m a father and I am a
00:54:29 son
00:54:30 a different way than Yeshua was but I’m
00:54:33 a father
00:54:34 because I have two sons I’m also a son
00:54:37 because I
00:54:39 have a father and a mother right so I
00:54:42 play different modes or different roles
00:54:44 or different titles at different times
00:54:47 in my life so if your father and mother
00:54:49 are both dead dear are you still a son
00:54:52 uh yeah
00:54:55 God’s Not Dead
00:54:58 no it’s it’s that’s just that’s just
00:55:02 something that I wonder at is about the
00:55:04 nature of family relationships that
00:55:07 under this whole thing
00:55:10 there’s no understandings so if a tree
00:55:13 falls in the forest and there isn’t a
00:55:15 woman to hear it did it still make a
00:55:17 sound yeah
00:55:20 anyways sorry
00:55:22 um okay so let’s go look on uh lectures
00:55:26 on faith so I believe
00:55:29 relaxation on faith is a whole nother
00:55:31 can of worms
00:55:32 um so let’s just touch upon it briefly
00:55:35 okay
00:55:36 Joseph Smith worked on the lectures on
00:55:39 faith and I have a post that shows tons
00:55:43 of quotes
00:55:44 that he did okay and he spent
00:55:46 significant amount of time on it okay
00:55:49 and that’s in my holy Pope Holy Spirit
00:55:51 Holy Ghost post which kind of goes along
00:55:54 with the subject so we could look at a
00:55:55 couple parts of it
00:55:57 um
00:55:58 but even if that wasn’t the case if you
00:56:01 go
00:56:10 so if you go look at the
00:56:13 intro to the doctrine covenants it says
00:56:16 the lectures on faith is the doctrine
00:56:19 okay
00:56:20 and it’s important for salvation
00:56:25 the 1835 DNC states that I would imagine
00:56:28 the 1844 does too but I haven’t checked
00:56:30 I’m not too worried about it it’s in
00:56:31 1835.
00:56:33 the the other thing is is that there’s
00:56:36 documentation of the entire Doctrine and
00:56:39 Covenants having been voted on by the
00:56:40 entire membership of the church yeah I
00:56:43 was just going to go there you’re
00:56:44 reading my mind
00:56:45 yeah it was voted on by the entire
00:56:48 organization of the church
00:56:52 which is the lectures of faith and the
00:56:54 covenants which is the revelations that
00:56:57 talks about the Commandments because
00:56:59 Commandments and Covenants so especially
00:57:02 in the Old Testament it’s the same thing
00:57:04 so those who insist that the lectures on
00:57:07 faith were snuck in at the printer’s
00:57:09 office
00:57:12 are denying
00:57:14 what is which is actually in the
00:57:17 doctrine of covenants
00:57:18 they are they stand against scripture
00:57:23 yeah uh so look lectures on face he
00:57:26 nasty voted unanimously voted you uh
00:57:30 lectures on faith were dualistically
00:57:32 arranged and compiled them profitable
00:57:35 for Doctrine uh unanimously voted
00:57:38 lectures on faith well here it says
00:57:40 Doctrine but I put it in the glyph
00:57:43 is structures on faith and I mean you
00:57:45 can go see that yeah
00:57:48 reflection on faith you nationally voted
00:57:50 elections on faith you know anyways do
00:57:52 you see the pattern here
00:57:55 so each paragraph is a different
00:57:57 committee
00:57:58 so this is not something that just got
00:58:00 snuck in
00:58:01 like these
00:58:04 like Sydney Rigdon at the printer’s
00:58:06 office as has been posited by
00:58:10 these doctors groups I’ll just call it
00:58:12 out I’m not trying to be mean and these
00:58:15 filled people
00:58:16 in these
00:58:18 um Justin people
00:58:21 and on a lot of these other break-offs
00:58:23 in fact
00:58:24 um
00:58:25 the L the rl’s church got rid of it a
00:58:28 little before the LDS church by a couple
00:58:32 years not a whole bunch
00:58:34 um there anyways
00:58:37 it’s scripture
00:58:39 Joseph Smith put a lot of effort into it
00:58:43 and if he
00:58:46 if you believe Joseph Smith is the
00:58:49 prophet of the restoration and that he
00:58:51 was visited by multiple Angels teaching
00:58:54 him
00:58:54 and you think you know better than what
00:58:57 he helped put together
00:59:00 and got approved
00:59:03 you’re kidding yourself get over by the
00:59:06 way lecture lecture five has his word
00:59:08 print all over it yeah and even people
00:59:11 on that point people who
00:59:14 claim that Joseph Smith did hardly
00:59:16 anything on it even those people admit
00:59:18 that lectures on faith five is Joseph
00:59:21 Smith
00:59:22 so
00:59:25 there’s no way around about this on this
00:59:28 issue maybe on some of the others but
00:59:30 not really because
00:59:31 like the things that the lectures on
00:59:34 faith teach and all these lectures I
00:59:37 actually see in the Book of Mormon right
00:59:40 it’s all over the place
00:59:43 anyways
00:59:45 that’s a little rad for you because
00:59:47 there’s a lot of people who claim the
00:59:49 restoration that this
00:59:53 on the lectures on page and they they
00:59:55 just don’t understand it and but what I
00:59:58 would say the reason they don’t like it
01:00:00 is the same reason that Josephs are
01:00:02 Brigham Young didn’t like the jst
01:00:04 because it destroys their lives
01:00:07 that’s why they don’t like it and they
01:00:09 are trying to find excuses
01:00:12 to throw it out
01:00:13 because it exposes their lives
01:00:18 so in Joseph Smith’s Vision what really
01:00:21 happened then
01:00:22 what did he say
01:00:24 changes like it’s confusing you know
01:00:27 yeah it is uh a lot of them
01:00:31 the 1832 version is the only one written
01:00:34 in a chant read that one it’s the only
01:00:36 one I take authentic uh the one in
01:00:39 Joseph Smith history that you know were
01:00:46 is from the
01:00:48 history of the church which Brigham
01:00:50 Young modified
01:00:52 and Brigham Young admits that he does
01:00:53 that
01:00:56 he just called it correcting but
01:00:59 that’s BS he wasn’t correcting he was
01:01:02 perverting but anyways
01:01:05 where do I find that account
01:01:08 I think that’s in the Joseph Smith
01:01:10 papers yeah there’s a couple places you
01:01:12 can get it
01:01:13 um
01:01:14 Joel smithpapers.org
01:01:17 let me see if I have some links for you
01:01:19 hold on let me look my
01:01:22 I
01:01:25 um
01:01:27 what’s up Monica
01:01:30 it would probably come up real easy if
01:01:32 you just Googled it
01:01:34 um probably yeah
01:01:39 first 1832 first division narrative yeah
01:01:42 I’m not seeing it real quick and I’d
01:01:44 rather let’s go focus on the main
01:01:46 question I’m just trying to give you a
01:01:48 little background to help you
01:01:51 accept what I’m telling you here okay
01:01:54 because I I do know that this goes
01:01:57 against
01:01:59 a long time teaching in a lot of places
01:02:03 including the restoration that’s been
01:02:05 perverted
01:02:08 um
01:02:09 and so I understand that and that’s why
01:02:10 I’m trying to give you a little more
01:02:11 background on it but
01:02:13 so we we
01:02:16 say that again they said thank you
01:02:19 you’re welcome
01:02:20 um because I I’ve worked through this
01:02:22 stuff like I even admitted
01:02:24 even after God told me this I didn’t
01:02:26 know what to do with lectures on faith
01:02:28 five
01:02:29 because and the problem was I didn’t
01:02:32 understand what personage meant but when
01:02:34 you look at the dictionary definition
01:02:35 and this is why I like my addition I put
01:02:38 that right there on purpose
01:02:42 to get it in your mind so that when you
01:02:44 go read it here hopefully you’ll
01:02:46 understand it better and then I put it
01:02:48 so I put it in glyphs too twice there
01:02:51 and here so there are two personages
01:02:55 okay even if you think there’s three
01:02:57 percentages
01:03:00 whatever you think that is lectures on
01:03:02 face only says two
01:03:05 and it says it multiple places and we
01:03:07 can get into that okay
01:03:09 there it doesn’t say two persons it says
01:03:11 two person interests yeah and that’s
01:03:13 where I was trying to make a big point
01:03:16 about
01:03:17 what is the dictionary definition of
01:03:19 personages
01:03:21 exterior parents character assumed
01:03:24 character representative he’s playing a
01:03:27 part
01:03:29 at times he plays the father
01:03:32 or acts in the role of the father and
01:03:36 other times he acts in the role of the
01:03:39 son so it says here there are two
01:03:41 personages who constipate and constitute
01:03:43 the great matchless governing and
01:03:45 supreme power over all things he takes
01:03:46 the personages the plural and ties them
01:03:50 into the one the governing supreme power
01:03:52 over all things
01:03:53 yeah and there’s various places and I
01:03:57 show this in my uh
01:03:59 and we go look at this after in my all
01:04:03 things you must do Post
01:04:05 where I talk about this issue a little
01:04:07 bit I show in Book of Mormon verses it’s
01:04:10 listing the father and son and then
01:04:13 guess what it says it’s one person
01:04:16 it uses singular terms for what it just
01:04:20 listed as to and it’s because
01:04:23 he is both it’s modalism he has two
01:04:26 different modes
01:04:31 or I probably say two primary ones
01:04:34 because the angel of Yahweh is Yahweh so
01:04:38 anyways so here we are so here we are
01:04:41 that are by whom that are created and
01:04:44 made whether visible or invisible
01:04:45 whether in heaven on Earth or in the
01:04:48 earth under the Earth or throughout the
01:04:50 humanity of space they are the father
01:04:52 and the son those are the two personages
01:04:54 the father being a personage of spirit
01:04:57 glory and power possessing all
01:05:00 Perfection and fullness yeah I just want
01:05:03 to pause here look at that
01:05:05 person is of spirit
01:05:09 no physical body there
01:05:12 and that’s taught in the New Testament
01:05:14 also
01:05:15 and Book of Mormon
01:05:18 and then there’s the role and then
01:05:20 there’s the then there is the son who
01:05:22 was in the bosom of the father a
01:05:25 personage of Tabernacle made or
01:05:28 fashioned
01:05:29 yep made or fashioned like unto man or
01:05:32 being in the form and likeness of man or
01:05:35 rather man was formed after his likeness
01:05:37 and in His image
01:05:39 is also the express image and likeness
01:05:41 of the personage of the father only he’s
01:05:43 in flesh
01:05:45 possessing all the fullness of the
01:05:47 father and the same fullness with the
01:05:49 father being begotten of him and was
01:05:51 ordained from before the foundation of
01:05:53 the world to be a propitiation for the
01:05:56 sins of all those who should believe on
01:05:58 his name and is called the son because
01:06:01 of the flesh so that’s just listing the
01:06:04 duties of the son right there mm-hmm
01:06:08 now that’s the duties of that role that
01:06:12 calling that person is that title yeah
01:06:17 and descended in suffering below that
01:06:20 which man can suffer or in other words
01:06:22 suffered greater sufferings and was
01:06:24 exposed to more powerful contradictions
01:06:26 than any man can be
01:06:30 uh and but notwithstanding all this he
01:06:33 kept the law of God and remained without
01:06:37 sin showing thereby that it is in the
01:06:40 power of man to keep the law and remain
01:06:44 also without sin
01:06:50 when you understand that that is a very
01:06:53 very powerful thing
01:06:59 um
01:07:01 which is kind of repeating what I was
01:07:03 saying earlier but uh-huh
01:07:06 it’s I have studied the lectures on
01:07:08 faith a bit
01:07:10 um
01:07:11 and I’ve studied the Book of Mormon a
01:07:13 bit they both teach it it’s just it’s a
01:07:16 lot more obvious right here
01:07:20 um and remained without thereby showing
01:07:23 that it was in the power of the man to
01:07:24 keep the law and remain also without sin
01:07:26 and also that by him a righteous
01:07:28 judgment might come upon All Flesh and
01:07:31 that all who walk not in the law of God
01:07:33 may justly be condemned by the law and
01:07:35 have no excuse for their sins and he
01:07:38 being the only begotten of the father
01:07:40 full of grace and truth and having
01:07:42 overcome received the fullness of the
01:07:44 glory of the father possessing the same
01:07:47 mind with the Father which mind is the
01:07:51 Holy Spirit
01:07:52 the holy spirit is just another name the
01:07:54 Holy Ghost and we can go over that after
01:07:57 we’re done here
01:07:58 that Bears record of the father and the
01:08:01 son and these three are one or in other
01:08:05 words these three constitute the great
01:08:07 matchless governing and supreme power
01:08:09 over all things the spirit is the mind
01:08:13 and these three constitute the godhead
01:08:15 in our one the father and the son
01:08:17 possessing the same mind the same wisdom
01:08:19 Glory power and fullness filling all and
01:08:21 all of a sudden being filled with the
01:08:24 fullness of the Mind glory and power or
01:08:26 in other words the spirit glory and
01:08:27 power of the father possessing all
01:08:30 knowledge and glory and the same Kingdom
01:08:32 sitting on the right hand of power in
01:08:34 the express image and likeness of the
01:08:36 father a mediator for man being filled
01:08:39 with the fullness of the mind of the
01:08:40 father or in other words the spirit of
01:08:42 the Father which spirit is shed forth
01:08:44 upon all who believe on his name and
01:08:47 keep his Commandments
01:08:49 and all those who keep his Commandments
01:08:52 shall Grow Up From Grace to Grace and
01:08:54 become Heirs of the Heavenly Kingdom and
01:08:56 Joint Heirs of Jesus Christ
01:08:59 possessing the same mind
01:09:01 being transformed into the Same Spirit
01:09:03 same image or likeness even the express
01:09:06 image of him who fills all in all being
01:09:09 filled with the fullness of his glory
01:09:11 and become one in him even as the father
01:09:13 and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one
01:09:14 Father the Son are the modes the holy
01:09:18 spirit is the law yeah is the law of the
01:09:22 light that guides us
01:09:24 and by obeying the Commandments
01:09:27 we grow from Grace to Grace
01:09:29 and Grace the grace is another way of
01:09:31 saying sanctification
01:09:33 yes
01:09:35 from one sanctification the Holy Ghost
01:09:38 yep well it’s why that’s sanctification
01:09:41 because it’s you’re keeping the law it
01:09:44 all fits yeah you we our part
01:09:49 our part the self-sanctification is in
01:09:51 keeping the law yeah and I really get
01:09:54 into that in this post I I
01:09:58 know it’s long
01:10:00 but this is a lot of love and effort
01:10:03 into that this is one of the reasons why
01:10:06 Doctrine and Covenant section 93 verse 1
01:10:08 is one of my favorite favorite
01:10:11 things is because it emphasizes that it
01:10:14 shows us and the thing is is that
01:10:16 everything that it puts in that list
01:10:19 has it ties back
01:10:22 to keeping the law
01:10:25 very simply
01:10:29 um
01:10:31 I have one comment to make sure go ahead
01:10:36 um
01:10:37 I was just thinking about in the
01:10:38 scriptures where it says
01:10:40 behold the condescension of God
01:10:43 something like that
01:10:45 yeah
01:10:46 [Music]
01:10:46 um
01:10:51 I’m sure it’s in multiple places but
01:10:53 sure
01:10:54 um you know how could God condescend if
01:10:57 it wasn’t him coming down
01:11:00 foreign
01:11:05 why would a separate being be a
01:11:08 condescension of God
01:11:10 it wouldn’t be
01:11:13 um
01:11:15 so
01:11:17 um the side track a little bit bringing
01:11:19 up that Vision I they’re
01:11:26 uh they’ll be in the
01:11:28 um YouTube so yeah
01:11:31 so
01:11:32 um like going with that Vision to go
01:11:34 along with that
01:11:36 let me share
01:11:40 all right I guess I can go I have it
01:11:42 here just because it has to do with the
01:11:43 subject
01:11:46 so there’s a lot on this subject
01:11:49 um
01:11:52 lures okay so from that vision
01:11:56 um since you brought it up Monica are
01:11:58 you willing to read this
01:12:00 person is 5 11.
01:12:03 here I gotta turn it here so I can see
01:12:06 it bigger this is not how it is in the
01:12:08 LDS version I’ll I’m telling you right
01:12:10 now but this is
01:12:12 this is uh a
01:12:14 screenshot of the earliest text which is
01:12:18 my favorite edition but this is how it
01:12:20 was in 1830 okay
01:12:22 so the one you want the one there that’s
01:12:24 got a box around it yeah yeah read that
01:12:27 one okay notice though the condescension
01:12:30 of God and I said unto him I know that
01:12:32 he loveth his children nevertheless I do
01:12:35 not know the meaning of all things and
01:12:37 he said unto me behold the Virgin which
01:12:39 thou seeest is the mother of God
01:12:42 after the manner of the flesh
01:12:45 as the mother of God or Elohim
01:12:49 is not the mother of the Son of God as
01:12:52 you go look in your LDS Edition States
01:13:01 some other is this the 1830 version yeah
01:13:04 it’s
01:13:05 uh hold on
01:13:07 uh it’s
01:13:10 this screenshot is of the earliest text
01:13:14 this is where I do my service study out
01:13:16 of
01:13:17 there we go
01:13:19 uh
01:13:21 anyways why it’s not very good
01:13:25 um it’s
01:13:26 yeah
01:13:28 um I’m trying to show this one in Kindle
01:13:30 more often in these things now
01:13:33 but
01:13:35 here
01:13:39 it’s just it’s not
01:13:41 it’s not easy to turn to the chapters
01:13:46 uh
01:13:47 the the Kindle is not the best interface
01:13:50 for scripture study
01:13:54 uh
01:13:58 so but there it is right there
01:14:00 oh no that’s 10. uh
01:14:03 uh one more there we go
01:14:05 um and
01:14:08 so we can also do
01:14:12 let me get it up
01:14:23 all right
01:14:25 yeah
01:14:28 so skeleton has a textual variance which
01:14:31 is what the earliest text is based off
01:14:33 of
01:14:34 um
01:14:36 and we can go
01:14:38 annotate so every very very much
01:14:42 so we can go look at it
01:14:46 Okay so
01:14:51 could you get Johnny until these people
01:14:54 are like getting like 3
01:14:57 000 plus or minus changes in the Book of
01:14:59 Mormon tax yeah they haven’t looked at
01:15:01 it a lot of them are commas and little
01:15:03 minor things and on top of that they
01:15:07 haven’t even studied the New Testament
01:15:09 variations there are more variations in
01:15:12 the New Testament which is actually our
01:15:14 words in the New Testament there’s
01:15:18 like 300 000 variations
01:15:23 compared to 3 000 in the Book of Mormon
01:15:27 that’s one percent
01:15:30 people just come up with these cute
01:15:33 little things that they have no idea
01:15:34 what’s really going on it’s okay so
01:15:37 there’s a lot of people who don’t know
01:15:39 what’s going on oh
01:15:41 anyways
01:15:43 bye
01:15:45 as the uh as the uh
01:15:49 as the Communists would call them useful
01:15:51 idiots uh yeah and they get used on
01:15:56 purpose because a lot of people listen
01:15:58 to them
01:16:00 um anyways
01:16:03 11.
01:16:11 and you can get this on
01:16:14 um Book of Mormon Central it’s on their
01:16:16 website and I have a link to it on my on
01:16:18 my blog actually it’s in the
01:16:21 links and books section on the on the
01:16:24 right side
01:16:26 um okay here’s 11.
01:16:32 this is big I mean he did a lot of work
01:16:35 it’s a 30 years worth of research
01:16:38 well
01:16:39 uh okay so here
01:16:41 [Music]
01:16:42 um
01:16:45 oh no that’s eight not eighteen sorry
01:16:49 would help if I looked at the number
01:16:51 more fully
01:16:53 foreign
01:17:03 here we go there we go
01:17:06 so uh behold the Virgin which thou
01:17:10 seeest is the mother of
01:17:12 so zero
01:17:16 oh I forget what zero is because the
01:17:18 original manuscript is a cursive one no
01:17:22 one no zero is the original
01:17:25 the original manuscript
01:17:28 Mother of God
01:17:30 as Mother of God
01:17:32 it was a
01:17:36 uh
01:17:38 I think a
01:17:42 so there was two other printings during
01:17:45 Joseph Smith’s day uh I forget what that
01:17:47 it was 1830 the original oh no that’s a
01:17:50 ace 1830. so the original manuscript
01:17:54 which we have in this case because of
01:17:56 the zero
01:17:57 and 1830 says mother of God
01:18:06 it was everything B
01:18:09 which was printed in Joseph Smith’s day
01:18:12 in so was sea
01:18:13 and I don’t remember do you know off top
01:18:16 of your head Ben
01:18:19 um there was a printing in 1835
01:18:22 and uh there was there was a yeah yeah
01:18:25 there was another printing in the Book
01:18:26 of Mormon in 1835 and then there was
01:18:28 another one in
01:18:29 1840. okay so
01:18:32 1838 1840 something like that I I don’t
01:18:36 have those numbers memorized between
01:18:37 those it’s not something I’m really
01:18:39 worried about the first the first
01:18:41 edition of the 1838 was and then Joseph
01:18:43 Smith revised it again released the same
01:18:46 Edition again with new revisions in
01:18:49 1840. yeah well the revisions was mainly
01:18:52 because he knew the printer so this
01:18:55 one day I want to do a post as far as
01:18:57 it’s printed correctly because the
01:19:00 printer didn’t always do things the way
01:19:02 that he was supposed to sometimes
01:19:04 instead of looking at the manuscript he
01:19:06 went and looked at the King James Bible
01:19:09 and so that actually explains some
01:19:11 things that people like to diss on the
01:19:14 Book of Mormon it was the printer’s
01:19:16 fault
01:19:17 and Royal skousen shows I have some
01:19:20 talks from him that get into the details
01:19:22 but anyways but back to this main issue
01:19:25 um original manuscript the zero
01:19:28 and a 1830
01:19:31 the mother
01:19:32 of God
01:19:34 it wasn’t until later it got changed to
01:19:36 the Son of God which
01:19:38 it really didn’t change the meaning
01:19:40 when you understand modalism but
01:19:46 I I don’t know why because I think those
01:19:48 two editions Joseph Smith did that
01:19:50 change
01:19:51 I don’t know why you did it
01:19:54 so the whole account of like Angel
01:19:57 Gabriel or you know um coming to
01:20:01 Joseph and saying oh you can marry Mary
01:20:06 because she the the son that she’s
01:20:08 carrying is from God what was that about
01:20:12 it’s uh it’s putting in Pagan beliefs
01:20:16 because if you go look at the pagan gods
01:20:18 there’s a
01:20:20 Greek virgin that has a son and that
01:20:24 stems from Babylon because
01:20:28 Nimrod F wife actor Nimrod is it
01:20:37 married Nimrod Nimrod was killed
01:20:41 um she conceived
01:20:44 um she said that for nine months well
01:20:46 after nine months
01:20:48 um
01:20:49 claimed it was a virgin birth from the
01:20:53 uh rays of the sun which was Nimrod
01:20:56 which he claimed to be Nimrod Bal
01:21:00 um and uh and what came from that was
01:21:04 the was tamus so you have the father you
01:21:08 have the father God bowel father son God
01:21:11 then you have the mother God the mother
01:21:13 the Queen of Heaven
01:21:29 yeah it’s Pagan Traditions kept that
01:21:32 going and so it’s yeah they’re they’re
01:21:35 all they’re all the same they’re all the
01:21:38 same religion
01:21:39 that’s slightly moderate they’re they’re
01:21:41 slightly modified and slightly modified
01:21:43 for societal for different societal
01:21:45 values well they’re the same yeah
01:21:49 so who who who changed the like
01:21:53 because then I think it was Brigham
01:21:56 Young
01:21:57 in history it depends on which time
01:22:00 you’re talking about
01:22:03 it’s the truth has been changed so many
01:22:06 times in history yeah there’s so many
01:22:08 different Bad actors was a
01:22:10 restorationist uh uh Yeshua was a
01:22:14 restorationist
01:22:16 um
01:22:16 Abraham I would say not so much because
01:22:19 he did learn some from his fathers that
01:22:21 were still alive so I wouldn’t
01:22:22 necessarily call him a restorationist
01:22:24 but at the same time the perversions
01:22:27 were happening and he needed to go to
01:22:29 his ancient fathers to go learn the
01:22:32 truth because his direct father
01:22:34 was into the perversions
01:22:39 so yeah
01:22:40 kind of registration it kind of wasn’t
01:22:42 right but so you see Nimrod is actually
01:22:45 no more than two generations past Noah
01:22:48 yeah
01:22:50 and Babylon was around with uh Abraham
01:22:54 that’s a good timing
01:22:58 um so
01:23:00 um
01:23:00 in fact you could probably you could
01:23:03 make a good case for the mystery
01:23:04 religion being around even at the same
01:23:06 time that um Adam was teaching Torah to
01:23:09 his descendants well yeah that’s what
01:23:13 got him off the ball so much
01:23:16 and it’s just it’s come back
01:23:20 but I mean it’s always
01:23:23 yeah it’s the same cycle right but in
01:23:27 today we refer back to Babylon because
01:23:29 that’s the closest that we have that
01:23:31 started it but yes it did happen
01:23:35 in Adam’s day and Adam was fighting it
01:23:37 also
01:23:39 um we just don’t have those records per
01:23:42 se all right
01:23:44 um the same problems there’s nothing new
01:23:46 Under the Sun
01:23:47 but
01:23:50 um
01:23:51 yeah
01:23:52 anyways back to the main thing that
01:23:55 verse from what you were actually just
01:23:57 quoting Monica
01:24:00 yeah if you go back to the original it
01:24:03 shows
01:24:04 the mother of God
01:24:07 according to the manner of the flesh
01:24:10 right according to that guess that’s
01:24:12 important
01:24:13 um but yeah and what is the manner of
01:24:15 the flesh
01:24:17 that a man on a woman come together the
01:24:20 physical body yeah
01:24:22 make the physical money
01:24:25 so
01:24:26 um
01:24:27 we’re going around a lot we should
01:24:30 probably go should we actually go read
01:24:31 those verses for her now
01:24:34 15 ones because we’re yeah we we should
01:24:39 probably do that for that’s how we
01:24:40 started on all this
01:24:43 um
01:24:44 it just trying to
01:24:48 I was trying to answer the question
01:24:50 though too but um hopefully I’m not
01:24:53 overloading you Erica
01:24:56 oh no looking great
01:24:58 um because there’s a lot with this issue
01:25:01 and
01:25:03 like I said for
01:25:07 as I talk in in my much versus all post
01:25:10 if you want to go look at that
01:25:14 um
01:25:16 what tribe you are
01:25:19 goes by the father and you’ll see that
01:25:22 throughout all the scriptures it’s never
01:25:24 by the mother as people push today
01:25:28 uh even the Jews pushed today
01:25:31 um
01:25:33 in
01:25:35 the Jews do it because they started
01:25:37 falling Babylon but
01:25:40 um Christians will do it today because
01:25:41 they’ve got to have Yeshua be of the
01:25:45 tribe of Deva
01:25:47 but in the scriptures you are the tribe
01:25:51 of your father period
01:25:55 in fact
01:25:57 um to go along with this there was an
01:25:59 issue in Torah when land was giving out
01:26:02 and how it would be
01:26:04 um
01:26:05 succeeded or inherited right and there
01:26:09 was a family where the father had no
01:26:12 Sons
01:26:15 and the women went to Moses and said we
01:26:19 have this problem we we want our land to
01:26:21 stay with our father but he has no Sons
01:26:24 the answer was
01:26:26 their daughters have to marry someone in
01:26:29 that tribe
01:26:30 because it had to stay in the tribe
01:26:35 and the reason that they needed to marry
01:26:38 someone in the tribe is because the
01:26:39 tribe is done by the father
01:26:42 even Torah itself with this example
01:26:45 shows that
01:26:48 for Yeshua to be the tribe of David
01:26:51 his father had
01:26:55 to be of David now if his father was
01:27:00 Elohim as a lot of people claim
01:27:03 Elohim is not the tribe of David
01:27:09 in fact that gets into other Torah
01:27:10 issues
01:27:12 leave out for now okay
01:27:15 yeah I’ve always wondered that when I
01:27:18 would read that and be like how does
01:27:20 that make sense then that makes sense
01:27:23 now I get it
01:27:24 thank you
01:27:27 Joseph
01:27:28 Mary’s husband is Joshua’s physical
01:27:31 father
01:27:32 there’s just no if ands or buts about it
01:27:35 other than twisting scriptures which
01:27:37 pretty much happens all the time and
01:27:38 modifies them
01:27:40 um I gave the link to the book if you
01:27:43 want the this is like his passion
01:27:47 I believe it because God taught it to me
01:27:49 and then I found things after that
01:27:51 confirmed it the first thing was Hebrew
01:27:53 Matthew
01:27:55 uh and then I found some other people
01:27:57 online talking about it
01:28:00 from Matthew do less twisting of
01:28:02 scripture than uh than uh KJV Matthew
01:28:05 uh-huh
01:28:07 good in fact I mean
01:28:11 not Sidetrack too much if we get time I
01:28:14 can tell you how how they Twisted
01:28:16 actually contradicts Torah if you want
01:28:18 after we’re done with this I just want
01:28:19 to folk try to let’s get back
01:28:22 yeah
01:28:27 but I do so many things to try to be
01:28:29 helpful but sometimes they are sometimes
01:28:31 they’re not right anyway
01:28:35 um okay so but let’s go read this
01:28:38 and now abandoned eyes said unto them
01:28:40 this is after using Isaiah 53 which is
01:28:43 explaining how God himself
01:28:46 will come down on atone for us right
01:28:49 himself
01:28:52 God himself
01:28:55 why was it you should understand
01:28:58 so
01:28:59 he’s giving them something to help them
01:29:03 understand what he just gave them so
01:29:05 he’s following a pattern
01:29:07 of giving God’s words and then
01:29:11 explaining them or helping people
01:29:13 understand them not just giving it out
01:29:15 to them he’s expounding scriptures here
01:29:19 that God himself shall come down
01:29:24 Among The Children of Men and shall
01:29:27 redeem his people
01:29:30 now everybody gets Resurrected
01:29:33 only those who come under his authority
01:29:37 are redeemed
01:29:40 those who accept him
01:29:42 and follow
01:29:44 AKA imitate him in fact
01:29:49 I I know maybe I do this a little too
01:29:51 much but I have a post on that that
01:29:53 actually gets into dictionary
01:29:55 definitions that shows that follow means
01:29:58 imitate
01:29:59 and imitate means you do the same thing
01:30:02 that he did
01:30:03 yeah
01:30:05 um Jesus Christ it was not it was not a
01:30:09 figure of speech when Jesus Christ
01:30:11 commanded us to be perfect
01:30:12 no it’s it’s possible
01:30:15 as we looked at in lectures on day five
01:30:18 first two nor do we have to follow
01:30:21 certain old men’s
01:30:23 definitions of be therefore perfect
01:30:26 eventually
01:30:28 well yeah you need to do it in this life
01:30:31 no I know and sooner the better because
01:30:34 you’re in the habit of putting things
01:30:36 off
01:30:37 generally stays that way and then the
01:30:40 probation is over and you’ll want to
01:30:42 hide under a rock
01:30:45 um
01:30:49 and because he dwells in the flesh you
01:30:52 shall be called The Son of God what did
01:30:54 he do in the flesh
01:30:59 well it’s not Flash
01:31:01 he worked out the atonement yes and
01:31:05 that’s why he has the title of the Son
01:31:06 of God actually
01:31:08 and and Daniel 9 gets into that and
01:31:13 the Jews during yeshua’s Mortal Ministry
01:31:16 knew with that title meant
01:31:19 he was saying I’m the Messiah
01:31:23 and they didn’t like that because they
01:31:25 didn’t like his teachings
01:31:28 they didn’t like the law
01:31:31 right even though they kind of claimed
01:31:33 they do but they like their oral
01:31:34 traditions of surrounding it the
01:31:37 national avoid but anyways
01:31:40 um but most people who don’t read the
01:31:43 Old Testament
01:31:44 don’t really know that title means
01:31:50 having subjected the flesh to the will
01:31:54 of the father
01:31:55 so he he
01:31:59 endured
01:32:02 and did what the father told them to do
01:32:05 as the leader
01:32:07 so the sun endured to the end
01:32:11 in what his leader told him to do or the
01:32:16 leader told him what to do
01:32:18 this and being the father and the son
01:32:24 um well that actually puts a new that
01:32:27 actually puts a that actually puts a
01:32:29 really neat understanding to this idea
01:32:31 that I do nothing
01:32:32 say what I have seen my father do is
01:32:35 that he’s actually receiving he’s
01:32:38 actually kind of
01:32:41 getting he’s actually kind of getting in
01:32:43 the spirit what he can do in fact maybe
01:32:46 we should go look at a Bible Hub on that
01:32:48 verse right because
01:32:50 anyways uh let’s add that let’s try to
01:32:52 remember to add to do that yeah
01:32:56 because I haven’t with that verse yet
01:32:59 but that might add some extra insights
01:33:01 because
01:33:03 um
01:33:04 King James Version
01:33:07 uh
01:33:08 not all the translators were good
01:33:11 some of them were bad but some of them
01:33:14 were paid no they were all paid
01:33:16 animations and some of them were
01:33:18 generous
01:33:19 yeah so it
01:33:22 well I mean it has it just consider who
01:33:25 sponsored it yeah and even the king told
01:33:30 him not to translate it correctly in
01:33:32 certain cases so I I mean it was better
01:33:35 than what they had okay
01:33:38 um
01:33:39 um so the father because he was
01:33:41 conceived by the power of God
01:33:45 um
01:33:46 no
01:33:49 no so
01:33:53 when we keep the law we can have the
01:33:56 power of God
01:33:59 and when you have power you can have
01:34:04 you’re now a leader you’re now a
01:34:07 follower because you have the power
01:34:09 yes and the reason why we can trust in
01:34:13 Yeshua is because he has power over all
01:34:17 our foes oh
01:34:21 and that is because he came down as the
01:34:24 son
01:34:25 okay so this is not a lot and so what we
01:34:28 have here
01:34:29 this
01:34:31 this conceived now considering what we
01:34:34 just talked about with from the lectures
01:34:37 on faith how the Holy Ghost is the mind
01:34:39 of God
01:34:41 where does conception happen
01:34:44 other than having a baby which is in the
01:34:46 womb
01:34:47 but it happens in the mind
01:34:50 that’s the Holy Ghost right there and
01:34:53 the Holy Ghost has the power
01:34:55 and so does the word so I can show that
01:34:58 from The Book of Mormon and that goes
01:35:00 right back to the testimony of John the
01:35:02 Baptist where he says in the beginning
01:35:04 was the word and the Word was with God
01:35:06 and the Word was God
01:35:07 yeah sir Joseph Smith translation
01:35:10 version of it which is even more clear
01:35:12 about the gospel
01:35:13 [Music]
01:35:15 yep the the gospel being with God
01:35:21 gospel the word
01:35:24 so the the father because he has the
01:35:27 power uh because he came down and the
01:35:30 son because of the plus so look at this
01:35:33 is talking about two different titles
01:35:36 there or two different duties or two
01:35:38 different
01:35:42 goals or modes modalism
01:35:47 which is what I am I’m the modalist
01:35:50 and I believe Joseph Smith was
01:35:54 um anyways thus becoming the father and
01:35:57 the son
01:36:02 and they are one God they are one Elohim
01:36:06 Elohim
01:36:08 is the word Hebrew word behind God and a
01:36:11 better translation of that is Judge
01:36:14 he is the one judge
01:36:17 he is the ultimate judge
01:36:23 um and they are one judge yea the
01:36:26 eternal
01:36:27 leader
01:36:29 of Heaven and Earth
01:36:31 and thus the flesh becoming subject to
01:36:34 the spirit
01:36:37 or the son to the father
01:36:39 being one Elohim
01:36:42 suffereth Temptation and you lith not to
01:36:46 temptation
01:36:47 but suffereth himself to be mocked and
01:36:50 scourged and cast out and disowned by
01:36:53 his people so I we could keep reading
01:36:56 but these are the Publishers
01:36:58 the interesting thing is is that this
01:37:01 not only reveals to us the nature of God
01:37:05 this reveals to us the nature of
01:37:09 our own sanctification yeah it does
01:37:13 because the flesh must become subject to
01:37:17 the spirit
01:37:18 or behavior or the law
01:37:22 yeah
01:37:28 yeah thus the son or daughter to the
01:37:32 father
01:37:33 the leader
01:37:35 us followers to the leader
01:37:38 being one
01:37:40 which really adds a new wrinkle to the
01:37:45 which really adds a new which really
01:37:47 adds a nice little touch to the um
01:37:51 prayer in John 17.
01:37:56 yeah the intercessory prayer
01:37:59 where he prays that we all may be one
01:38:02 um
01:38:04 one in mind as yes
01:38:08 with him one within the Torah yeah
01:38:15 yeah that’s a good point uh I agree with
01:38:17 that
01:38:18 all right because I’ve said the same
01:38:20 thing at other times in different
01:38:21 contexts but yeah yeah it completely
01:38:24 goes with the intercessor prayer
01:38:28 um
01:38:29 too because I mean that’s what’s going
01:38:32 to happen in Zion right anyways
01:38:35 um
01:38:36 that’s how Zion is established
01:38:40 sometimes I think you’re reading my mind
01:38:42 because I was just about to say the same
01:38:44 thing about you know that
01:38:48 the spirit needs to be in control of our
01:38:50 physical body which is enduring to the
01:38:54 end
01:38:56 it’s not just belief now you have to
01:38:59 actually go out and do it
01:39:01 mm-hmm
01:39:04 um oh man
01:39:08 that in his commentary
01:39:11 [Laughter]
01:39:15 we can tell where Matt is on the path
01:39:17 right
01:39:20 totally joking of course
01:39:26 yes
01:39:28 oh man that means I I can’t just believe
01:39:31 and say some really nice flowering
01:39:33 things while I’m while I’m on my knees
01:39:37 grain points for the afterlife oh sorry
01:39:42 you can’t just wait for your baptisms
01:39:44 for the dead to save you
01:39:46 the Book of Mormon condemns that I know
01:39:50 anyways
01:39:54 so
01:39:55 we can go look at some more verses on
01:39:57 this um subject if you want Erica but
01:40:00 does that
01:40:01 help some
01:40:03 yeah it does I’ve been um as you guys
01:40:06 are talking like I’ve been thinking
01:40:07 about it
01:40:09 and
01:40:11 um and then he mentioned that scripture
01:40:12 that I
01:40:14 um that I was that I always questioned
01:40:17 like well how does that make sense how
01:40:18 does you know if he comes from the line
01:40:20 of David did did
01:40:22 um his mom come from The Lion and David
01:40:24 you know but it wasn’t it was his dad so
01:40:27 that makes sense and it also ends a lot
01:40:30 of the problems where in the other
01:40:32 groups you know you had to work out like
01:40:35 well heavenly father had to come down
01:40:38 and get Mary pregnant you know
01:40:42 um and then isn’t that cheating on his
01:40:43 wife yeah because and all these other
01:40:46 people
01:40:47 Mary was engaged
01:40:51 yeah so if God came down to have sex
01:40:53 with her which he didn’t but if he did
01:40:55 he’s committing adultery he just
01:40:58 committed yeah he was engaged but even
01:41:00 if that wasn’t okay it’s the breaking of
01:41:03 contract and so that’s fornication and
01:41:06 that’s a sin too
01:41:08 not to mention what Joseph should have
01:41:11 done according to the law if
01:41:13 it wasn’t him but anyways that’s another
01:41:16 thing
01:41:17 yeah so so it makes it makes sense now
01:41:20 like once you you know started
01:41:23 explaining it and that it it ended a lot
01:41:28 of you know of bull crap that I was
01:41:30 taught so it’s yeah
01:41:35 we were all we were all taught that bull
01:41:38 crap yeah yeah it it took me a while to
01:41:41 to get to this so
01:41:43 I can understand if it takes you a
01:41:44 little long a little bit after me
01:41:46 telling it to you because I it took me a
01:41:48 while yeah
01:41:51 give it to me
01:41:53 take the opportunity to actually look up
01:41:55 the references and uh on your own
01:41:59 and um
01:42:04 and uh and take it and uh and look it
01:42:09 over in prayer with Yahweh
01:42:13 the truth
01:42:15 I will thank you so one thing I mean I
01:42:19 know we just read it but I should have
01:42:21 read it from the chiasm I made
01:42:23 oh man
01:42:25 I never do chiasms
01:42:29 um liar
01:42:31 [Laughter]
01:42:33 um yes
01:42:36 I think we should I think we should
01:42:38 throw fruit at him yeah you probably
01:42:40 should because
01:42:44 [Laughter]
01:42:47 but it’s here we’ll just do kind of
01:42:50 summary on this look at the A’s
01:42:52 Elohim
01:42:56 uh
01:42:59 uh no temptation because he had to keep
01:43:02 the law to be the just judge
01:43:06 come down Among The Children of Men
01:43:08 uh he was mocked
01:43:11 himself
01:43:13 and he redeems his people
01:43:16 his people disowned him
01:43:20 okay
01:43:22 um let’s do this one
01:43:25 because he dwelt In the Flesh he shall
01:43:27 be called the son of God
01:43:28 of the father because he was convinced
01:43:32 by the power of God
01:43:34 have be subject to the flesh to the will
01:43:36 of the father B the son because of the
01:43:39 flesh
01:43:40 see being the father and the son thus
01:43:43 becoming the father on the son ABC ABC
01:43:46 and then here in down in five the same
01:43:49 we’ve got to go with the the second one
01:43:51 right and the flesh becoming subject to
01:43:54 the spirit
01:43:56 um being called the son of God
01:43:58 the son of the father doesn’t mean son
01:44:00 to the father
01:44:02 the father see being the father and the
01:44:05 son
01:44:06 being one Elohim
01:44:09 you see how all those points connect
01:44:14 and they being one Elohim yay the
01:44:17 Eternal Father
01:44:19 book
01:44:21 singular is gone talking about yeah
01:44:23 multiple and then he would and changed
01:44:26 it to singular this is modalism
01:44:30 and Earth and so yeah so C here is your
01:44:34 central idea
01:44:36 yeah but everything is built to focus
01:44:39 towards yes
01:44:43 uh I I didn’t read it earlier because I
01:44:46 was worried I couldn’t find it in my
01:44:47 OneNote because I’ve done so many of
01:44:50 these I’m I’m having sometimes a hard
01:44:52 time finding some of this stuff but
01:44:53 I’m horrible but anyways now that I
01:44:56 found it I we just did a little quick
01:44:58 review on it with it
01:45:00 it and I think this even brings it out
01:45:03 even more seeing it in the book and
01:45:06 seeing the connections and how it’s
01:45:07 consistent
01:45:10 it’s it’s saying modalism the father is
01:45:14 the son I mean I mean there’s other
01:45:17 places in the Book of Mormon but as of
01:45:19 two that we can go over if you want and
01:45:21 Isaiah has a ton of it
01:45:24 um
01:45:24 Dakota’s New Testament John 1 1 and
01:45:28 anyways it’s
01:45:29 Worship You worship
01:45:34 yeah
01:45:36 there’s only one entity that you worship
01:45:40 and he doesn’t share Worship in his
01:45:42 honor
01:45:44 yeah
01:45:47 and so what if it’s in the name of the
01:45:49 father or the son it’s the same entity
01:45:51 same person
01:45:54 because he doesn’t share it
01:45:57 right
01:46:01 um
01:46:02 what’s 107 I forget that one
01:46:04 but out of respect to reverence to the
01:46:06 name of the Supreme Being to avoid two
01:46:08 frequent repetition named they the
01:46:10 church in ancient days called the
01:46:11 priesthood
01:46:14 foreign
01:46:16 I’m not sure why I put that there
01:46:18 uh oh look
01:46:21 here it is and I forgot these ones
01:46:22 lectures would be two and three
01:46:27 I don’t remember everything I have we
01:46:30 here observe
01:46:31 that Elohim is the only
01:46:35 Supreme Governor independent independent
01:46:39 being in new fullness and Perfection
01:46:42 dwells who is omnipotent omnipresent and
01:46:46 omnisection
01:46:49 omniscient without beginning of days or
01:46:52 end of life and that in him every good
01:46:55 gift every good principle dwells that he
01:46:58 is the father
01:47:00 of light in him the principle of Faith
01:47:03 to all independently he is the object of
01:47:05 whom the faith of all rational and
01:47:09 accountable being Centered for life and
01:47:11 salvation now it doesn’t come out and
01:47:14 say it but who are we supposed to have
01:47:15 faith in
01:47:18 Christ the Messiah
01:47:21 right
01:47:22 yeah but here he is and look she’s in
01:47:26 faith tying that to the father
01:47:29 the father of the Father of Lights
01:47:32 that’s an interest that’s a really good
01:47:34 title yeah it is
01:47:36 um but
01:47:38 it’s time the father to something that’s
01:47:41 only applied to in the scriptures to the
01:47:43 son the faith
01:47:46 the scriptures don’t say have faith in
01:47:48 the father not that I know of them they
01:47:50 said they said to have faith in the son
01:47:52 yeah which is the sign and so here it is
01:47:55 tying the father and son being together
01:47:58 uh so three and then here it is here oh
01:48:01 okay I do have a question that will Pro
01:48:04 for those viewers who may have who watch
01:48:07 this and may have this question
01:48:10 what about
01:48:12 the Council of you know uh Council of
01:48:16 Heaven you know before we all came to
01:48:18 this earth you know that the the the
01:48:21 standard brigamite
01:48:24 thing you know what are the councils of
01:48:27 heaven where the sun one Sun presents uh
01:48:31 Delio and the devil presents his dealio
01:48:33 with other truth right
01:48:37 yeah that comes from the most complete
01:48:41 accounting of that comes from Abraham
01:48:42 three yes so let’s go there
01:48:46 yeah I mean this is just that I no no
01:48:49 that’s good
01:48:51 you’re helping us cover our bases that’s
01:48:53 fine
01:48:55 um
01:48:58 so
01:48:59 uh
01:49:02 uh
01:49:03 I think the main verse is 27 and we’ll
01:49:07 probably cover it but we can look at
01:49:09 more if you want
01:49:10 but I’ll read this and then we go from
01:49:12 there
01:49:13 and Yahweh said who shall I send
01:49:18 and one answered like like unto the son
01:49:22 of man there we go so if you are
01:49:26 if who answered is the son of man it
01:49:29 wouldn’t say like unto the son of man
01:49:30 who’s answering this is that
01:49:34 that’s Adam
01:49:35 and one answers
01:49:37 who was Adam and Adam was like unto the
01:49:40 son of man
01:49:42 here am I send me and another and this
01:49:45 one’s Satan and sooner said here am I
01:49:48 send me and Yahweh said I will send the
01:49:50 first
01:49:51 and the second was anger and kept not
01:49:53 his first estate and at that day many
01:49:55 followed after him
01:49:57 so he’s talking about the first man who
01:50:00 am I going to be sent down to be the
01:50:01 first man
01:50:04 so yeah this is not a this is this isn’t
01:50:06 over the role of Savior this is over the
01:50:09 role of first man okay that’s so right
01:50:12 who Yeshua
01:50:15 cause himself
01:50:16 I mean multiple things but one of the
01:50:18 things he calls himself in the New
01:50:20 Testament is son of man that’s true
01:50:23 now if this was the Messiah it wouldn’t
01:50:25 be saying one like unto the Messiah or
01:50:29 son of man it’d be saying and one
01:50:31 answered the son of man but it says like
01:50:34 and Adam is likened onto the son of man
01:50:38 for example first Adam second Adam right
01:50:41 right
01:50:45 um
01:50:46 Erica
01:50:50 what was that
01:50:52 your question on that one because this
01:50:54 this is understanding
01:50:56 no like you made it clear now
01:50:59 I didn’t even think of that but yeah it
01:51:02 makes sense yeah
01:51:06 that one word like well the whole thing
01:51:09 is is there’s actually nothing in the
01:51:11 entire scriptural passage to indicate
01:51:13 that this is actually an argument over
01:51:16 who’s going to be the Savior yeah
01:51:19 there’s absolutely nothing in here which
01:51:22 actually indicates that
01:51:25 that’s just a borgamite tradition that
01:51:27 we’ve that many people have carried over
01:51:31 correct yeah there’s there’s no
01:51:33 justification but I I learned it at
01:51:35 church
01:51:38 and I I didn’t see this until I was like
01:51:41 closer reading
01:51:44 um
01:51:46 I know sometimes here I go a little
01:51:49 faster but that’s because I’ve done my
01:51:51 personal study on some of these things
01:51:54 like some things like last week Daniel
01:51:56 11. I haven’t really put that much
01:51:58 effort into studying but I think we did
01:52:01 a nice job together but yeah I thought
01:52:02 we did a pretty good job Expo doing some
01:52:05 Exposition on it yeah
01:52:07 um and we also did a really good job of
01:52:10 showing people how to go into the
01:52:13 scriptures yeah yeah
01:52:16 um
01:52:16 which I think is very important
01:52:20 um also to to show them how to go study
01:52:22 on their own
01:52:23 so yeah okay so then the next question
01:52:26 okay we we’ve got to continue going over
01:52:28 this line of questioning right okay of
01:52:32 the idea okay if this isn’t talking
01:52:34 about a savior or then when they discuss
01:52:37 this option of the Savior for our
01:52:39 pre-mortal existence and why we would
01:52:42 even agree to come to the Earth in the
01:52:44 first place
01:52:46 okay
01:52:48 well it was talked
01:52:51 Yeshua was slain before the foundation
01:52:53 of the world
01:52:54 he knew he was going to come down for us
01:52:56 it’s just not being talked about right
01:52:58 there but that’s not yeah no no I get
01:53:01 that but the tradition of belief
01:53:05 I’m talking about the hardness of the
01:53:08 heart
01:53:09 if you I mean you know there isn’t a
01:53:12 whole lot you can do I guess about
01:53:14 hard-heartedness
01:53:16 there isn’t a lot you can do
01:53:18 but I can’t change someone’s heart
01:53:21 no that’s true all I can do is expound
01:53:25 and hope something touches them that
01:53:27 makes them wake up their eyes right yeah
01:53:31 it’s not my responsibility if they
01:53:34 yeah so after I expounded yeah if if
01:53:39 people choose not to understand they
01:53:41 chose not to understand well no I like
01:53:43 it I get it I’m just I’m I guess what
01:53:47 I’m trying to do is making sure that we
01:53:50 cover all of our bases along this line
01:53:52 of questioning yeah that’s fine I just I
01:53:55 don’t understand the question that
01:53:56 you’re trying okay so the question so
01:53:58 the question would be
01:54:01 so when was so when was this discussed
01:54:05 where is the documentation of its
01:54:08 discussion
01:54:09 oh of Yeshua because of Yeshua being the
01:54:13 savior
01:54:14 uh in this chapter I don’t know off top
01:54:17 my head I
01:54:19 right then where was it discussed
01:54:23 I probably earlier would be because this
01:54:27 is a a different part of the plan yeah
01:54:30 Abraham three just off the top my head
01:54:32 and I guess what
01:54:35 the talks about the new one the great
01:54:37 ones it talks about it talks about three
01:54:41 is more about
01:54:42 um at least the way I look at it
01:54:44 especially when it starts with um
01:54:47 around 20ish yeah it’s about the um
01:54:51 chosen leaders right yeah and that’s
01:54:55 kind of a focus on this post right here
01:54:58 that I have this who were chosen in
01:55:01 advance
01:55:02 oh
01:55:03 um
01:55:04 that’s that’s turning around here
01:55:06 before knowledge of God which you know
01:55:09 that even brings well yes it was chosen
01:55:13 too but he’s
01:55:15 but we chose him so that’s a it’s a
01:55:19 little different where these right here
01:55:20 is Yeshua doing the choosing so
01:55:25 um anyways I
01:55:29 I’m not an expert in the book of Abraham
01:55:31 I I don’t know what the con what’s going
01:55:34 on before verse 20 off taught my head I
01:55:36 don’t know if you guys are yeah well
01:55:38 there’s lots of there’s there are a um
01:55:44 there is a an exposition an exposition
01:55:48 on lights the gradation of light greater
01:55:52 and lesser intelligence
01:55:57 such like that
01:56:00 okay or time as you get closer to time
01:56:03 as you get closer to the heart of as you
01:56:05 get closer to where God is it doesn’t
01:56:08 sound like what we’re trying to get at
01:56:10 no it’s not yeah so the book of Abraham
01:56:12 the book of Abraham doesn’t contain
01:56:15 that aspect right and but it’s taught
01:56:20 from the book of Abraham that this was
01:56:22 the Council of Heaven by the church by
01:56:26 the brigamind tradition
01:56:29 but the whole thing is is that if you
01:56:32 answer the question of actually what is
01:56:34 being discussed there you’ve answered
01:56:35 All Those Questions true you’ve answered
01:56:38 all those questions because if what’s
01:56:40 being discussed is simply who’s going to
01:56:42 be the first guy down
01:56:45 okay all the rest of that doesn’t even
01:56:47 matter it’s hogwash well it it doesn’t
01:56:50 mean it didn’t happen it just means it’s
01:56:52 not part of that Vision because yeah and
01:56:55 as I see it as we just talked about
01:56:57 making a connection right now the
01:56:59 earlier verses is about Yeshua picking
01:57:02 his chosen ones
01:57:04 and here it is picking Michael for his
01:57:06 first chosen one to come down and
01:57:09 actually if you look at the previous
01:57:12 Exposition on planets and lights and
01:57:15 greater and lesser intelligences you’re
01:57:18 actually looking at the reasoning behind
01:57:20 how he chose
01:57:23 is noble and great ones that makes sense
01:57:27 yeah the ones with more life as in new
01:57:30 Torah better yeah
01:57:34 Laura is the light according to Psalms
01:57:37 and Proverbs right yeah
01:57:40 and so that so that is and so that is
01:57:43 the so that’s the that’s the whole thing
01:57:45 of Abraham the whole thing of Abraham if
01:57:47 you look at Abraham Abraham points
01:57:50 to Torah the fact that Abraham observed
01:57:53 for the book of Abraham shows that very
01:57:55 clearly and it’s it’s also clearly
01:57:58 delineated as the
01:58:00 Torres clearly delineated in the book of
01:58:03 Abraham as the means of
01:58:08 for lack of a better word
01:58:11 creating the hierarchy in heaven
01:58:15 the leader the lack of better words no
01:58:17 no sure
01:58:19 um I remember he I don’t have a problem
01:58:21 with that
01:58:22 he’s the one who talks about a kind of
01:58:25 hierarchy in Zion too yeah but yeah well
01:58:29 I believe there is going to be one
01:58:31 um
01:58:31 if God’s a god
01:58:34 there’s not going to be if God’s God of
01:58:37 order then there has to be an order
01:58:42 right well and the orders top there is
01:58:45 leaders
01:58:46 and the order is actually given to us
01:58:49 by means of the book of Abraham
01:58:54 okay yeah three leaders the ones that
01:58:58 have more life
01:58:59 yep so which would make sense because
01:59:03 you’re supposed to call teachers who
01:59:05 were actually keeping it
01:59:09 if they’re keeping it guess what they
01:59:12 have more light because that’s when you
01:59:13 get more understanding of mysteries when
01:59:16 you’re keeping you see this is how we
01:59:18 know that the book of Abraham is in fact
01:59:20 authentic scripture whether or not it’s
01:59:22 an authentic translation of what he was
01:59:25 looking at it’s still often I do believe
01:59:27 it’s a translation the
01:59:30 the egyptologists that have translated
01:59:34 some things don’t match what’s in Joseph
01:59:35 Smith’s Journal about what he actually
01:59:37 translated
01:59:38 I they we don’t have everything that was
01:59:42 there right
01:59:44 I mean doesn’t people leave the journals
01:59:46 but so I I do believe it was an actual
01:59:48 translation
01:59:50 yeah but with other things that are in
01:59:53 his journal you you have some serious
01:59:55 problems so you know it’s interesting
01:59:58 the thing that sparked my question okay
02:00:01 was actually your reading of uh
02:00:05 lectures on faith I think it was five
02:00:08 when you’re reading about the nature of
02:00:10 God and
02:00:11 modalism
02:00:15 the thing that sparked my question was
02:00:17 ah what about the it was like that it
02:00:21 kind of Devil’s Advocate I have a quick
02:00:25 question where it’s like ah but what
02:00:28 about the spring of my tradition where
02:00:30 they say that the chapter in Abraham is
02:00:34 all about the
02:00:36 first grade Council in heaven wherein
02:00:39 they chose Jesus as the Savior and you
02:00:43 know well I think we’ve dealt with that
02:00:45 pretty well oh no no no right I’m just
02:00:47 saying the thing that sparked the
02:00:49 question was actually that so actually
02:00:53 the lectures on faith number five
02:00:58 is another way to prove
02:01:01 that all of these commonly held
02:01:04 traditions and beliefs around certain
02:01:06 scriptures
02:01:08 have no weight they hold zero weight in
02:01:12 fact that whole thing on
02:01:14 the council in heaven that being the
02:01:17 determining factor is Christ being
02:01:19 chosen as our Lord and Savior Jesus of
02:01:22 being our our Lord and savior
02:01:26 isn’t bad
02:01:28 yeah that’s cult’s tradition I mean he
02:01:31 was but it’s not in that verse yeah no
02:01:34 no that’s what I’m saying not in that
02:01:38 necessarily in those scriptures does it
02:01:40 sit there and say and Yeshua chose
02:01:43 Yeshua to be the Savior it doesn’t say
02:01:46 I’m not saying that
02:01:48 um right yeah
02:01:53 and we chose him
02:01:56 yeah right
02:01:57 right
02:01:58 and and that’s the reason we came is
02:02:01 because we chose him he didn’t force us
02:02:04 no we chose yes
02:02:08 um now who he was before and still is
02:02:13 right if we had chosen the devil he
02:02:17 would have forced us he would have
02:02:20 forced us
02:02:22 right but because that was the whole
02:02:24 idea that was his whole idea
02:02:27 but it wouldn’t have happened
02:02:30 because right yeah it just doesn’t have
02:02:32 happened because Satan
02:02:36 doesn’t know what Yeshua
02:02:38 knows Yahweh he doesn’t know he’s not
02:02:41 God no I I get that
02:02:44 I’m not arguing here I’m just like but
02:02:48 on this he doesn’t know how to put to
02:02:51 bind
02:02:52 a spirit to a body right just like none
02:02:58 of us do right I don’t know how to do it
02:03:03 doesn’t know how to do that
02:03:05 so it wouldn’t if we would have picked
02:03:08 him we would have gone nowhere
02:03:09 as a savior but that’s not what was
02:03:12 going on there it was going on is who’s
02:03:15 going to be the first man yeah
02:03:19 yeah
02:03:20 so
02:03:22 which
02:03:23 on that point
02:03:28 this despite that you know the Brigham
02:03:31 might say over it about you know picking
02:03:34 agency and stuff like that I don’t see
02:03:35 it in that verse
02:03:38 I think what happened was
02:03:41 Michael
02:03:43 Adam
02:03:44 was more like the Son of God so he was a
02:03:48 better pick for that
02:03:51 yeah and then Satan was
02:03:54 and
02:03:57 he picked wisely because the Satan got
02:03:59 prideful and took a third part of the
02:04:03 host of heaven with him because his
02:04:06 pride was hurt yeah third part does not
02:04:10 mean mathematical third
02:04:12 the third portion yeah I said third part
02:04:15 on purpose but yeah that’s good well I’m
02:04:17 I’m saying that for these for the
02:04:19 benefit of the viewers sure sure there
02:04:22 may be some who don’t understand that
02:04:23 principle that when when in Hebrew
02:04:26 literature it talks about a third part
02:04:27 but it’s not necessarily talking about a
02:04:30 Greek mathematical hurt no but when you
02:04:33 go to cosmology and in polar
02:04:35 configuration it was a third portion
02:04:38 because it was yeah
02:04:41 funny with the polar configuration right
02:04:43 Saturn
02:04:45 um Venus and Mars when when the fell
02:04:49 happened Venus
02:04:51 is one third of it it fell and it lost
02:04:56 its light and it changed its color from
02:04:58 a bright blue to a dark gray that’s an
02:05:02 interesting light
02:05:03 that’s pretty cool
02:05:05 the
02:05:07 the gospel when you know these things is
02:05:10 actually taught in cosmology when you
02:05:12 know how to read it but anyways that’s
02:05:15 another subject
02:05:18 um
02:05:19 but yeah this so on that
02:05:24 um
02:05:25 trolls the first moving trolls shows
02:05:28 that pretty well where the blue troll
02:05:32 when something
02:05:34 when he lost something as in the
02:05:36 opportunity to come down first I mean
02:05:38 it’s a little different in the movie but
02:05:39 it still kind of shows when he lost
02:05:41 something when he lost his grandmother
02:05:44 yeah it’s his grandmother in the movie
02:05:46 uh which is you know could be Queen of
02:05:49 Heaven he he lost the chance to be the
02:05:51 real Queen of Heaven but anyways
02:05:54 he lost something
02:05:57 is when he changed from the bright blue
02:06:00 like Venus originally was to the dark
02:06:04 gray that Venus is now
02:06:08 so I these people know it they just
02:06:12 don’t teach it
02:06:15 well they don’t teach it obviously right
02:06:18 because I guess they do kind of introlls
02:06:19 but people don’t know the meaning behind
02:06:21 it but anyways right enough with that
02:06:24 subject that’s kind of esoteric
02:06:27 absolutely that’s a subject for another
02:06:29 day
02:06:30 oh
02:06:31 wow it’s
02:06:34 I find it as important as these other
02:06:36 things it’s awesome no anyways
02:06:40 but yeah
02:06:41 um any other do you have any other uh
02:06:43 Devil’s Advocate questions you want to
02:06:45 go over real quick no but I would love
02:06:48 to hear your uh take on the Hunchback of
02:06:50 Notre Dame tomorrow
02:06:52 uh okay so let’s pause for a minute we
02:06:55 may do some more so let’s just pause
02:06:58 oh the votes in I’m gonna do commentary
02:07:02 tomorrow on Hunchback of Notre Dame
02:07:06 um so yay
02:07:09 I
02:07:10 I wanted to do it last month but then I
02:07:14 was going to do it during transition day
02:07:15 but then I had a headache and I couldn’t
02:07:17 do it I just I wasn’t going to do with a
02:07:19 headache
02:07:21 so I’ll be honest I’m kind of excited to
02:07:24 do it
02:07:25 for a while
02:07:28 um well there’s a lot of a lot of great
02:07:31 symbology
02:07:33 oh yeah oh yeah
02:07:35 [Laughter]
02:07:39 yes there is
02:07:41 um
02:07:43 and then the cartoons more so than the
02:07:46 live action and it’s very symbology is
02:07:50 symbology the symbology of the art is
02:07:53 everything
02:07:54 well it depends on which Edition because
02:07:57 like on Beauty and the Beast
02:08:00 um I would actually say the the live
02:08:02 action ones better than the cartoon one
02:08:04 but yeah for that to think through it
02:08:08 but they’re
02:08:11 the the newer one is still based off of
02:08:13 the older one right they’ve had more
02:08:16 time to think through it to to
02:08:19 um
02:08:20 polish it yeah
02:08:23 um so I wouldn’t necessarily cartoon is
02:08:25 better it’s just and even like Charlie
02:08:28 Chocolate Factory like I did one on that
02:08:31 one already right
02:08:33 um the new one is more imagery in the
02:08:36 new one
02:08:37 yeah but it’s based off the old one yeah
02:08:41 um and most of it’s pretty much the same
02:08:43 there’s a few differences and there’s
02:08:44 only one difference in the new one that
02:08:47 I think is worse than in the new one and
02:08:50 where in the old one
02:08:54 um oh no I’m forgetting the name of the
02:08:57 characters
02:08:59 the the factory owner
02:09:02 um
02:09:05 it was either the one or the double I
02:09:07 think it was the double clue like pen
02:09:09 more like pen where in the new one he
02:09:12 just kind of whistled
02:09:15 the old one was better than that okay
02:09:16 yeah yeah the old one had a better
02:09:19 imagery but had a better double imagery
02:09:21 definitely on that one scene but most of
02:09:24 everything else it was better in the new
02:09:26 one if you haven’t seen it go watch it I
02:09:29 mean
02:09:30 man
02:09:31 okay I hate what they’re doing to make
02:09:34 fun of the savior in this
02:09:38 but
02:09:39 at the same time knowing who they are
02:09:42 and what they represent it was good
02:09:44 imagery the whipping of the cow
02:09:49 would even Messiah
02:09:51 Yeshua is the fat of cat
02:09:55 yeah and they whipped him and they loved
02:09:58 it and he even brings out how he loved
02:10:01 it
02:10:02 versus
02:10:04 the Red Lamb
02:10:07 he hated that Willy Wonka
02:10:10 because that was a bloody lamb
02:10:14 that died for our sins
02:10:16 yeah
02:10:18 perfect imagery I hate how they’re
02:10:20 mocking it
02:10:22 yeah
02:10:24 anyways so I do think they did a better
02:10:27 overall in the newer one there’s a few
02:10:30 things in the old one that they got rid
02:10:32 of that I actually think it would have
02:10:34 been better not to but at the same time
02:10:36 they have time constraints right so
02:10:39 the mind can only the mind can only take
02:10:43 in what the seat can endure yeah there’s
02:10:46 one scene in the old one I don’t
02:10:48 understand the bubble scene where they
02:10:51 drink the juice and Bubbles come out and
02:10:55 then you start floating
02:10:56 yeah
02:10:58 honestly I don’t know what that is
02:11:00 I still don’t
02:11:05 I
02:11:09 yeah I don’t know
02:11:11 the rest of it I know but that one
02:11:14 I don’t know but it wasn’t in the new
02:11:16 one so I didn’t focus on it a lot like I
02:11:20 don’t know what that one is I haven’t
02:11:21 figured that one out well I think that
02:11:24 the people who were making the new one
02:11:25 didn’t know what that was either and so
02:11:27 that’s how they left it out that’s why
02:11:29 they left it out
02:11:30 that could very well be the case
02:11:34 um I don’t know I I’ve heard through
02:11:37 other people
02:11:39 that the author of the book didn’t
02:11:41 really like the old one and that’s why I
02:11:43 made another one for quite a while but
02:11:46 I’ve heard
02:11:47 family members
02:11:50 of the author because the current author
02:11:51 is dead
02:11:52 of the what the family authors or the
02:11:55 family members of the author would say
02:11:59 that the author would like the new one
02:12:02 um
02:12:04 anyways I I think they’re both good and
02:12:07 there’s a couple things that they bring
02:12:09 out a little different in in the
02:12:11 different
02:12:12 um countries but it still points to the
02:12:15 same people but I think overall the one
02:12:17 is the better one so they’ve had more
02:12:20 time to polish it
02:12:22 yeah yeah
02:12:24 I I do Wonder though when they got the
02:12:29 rights to it to do the movie if he
02:12:31 told them the interpretation so that way
02:12:34 they could do it right or they had to
02:12:35 figure out on their own I do Wonder
02:12:43 anyways
02:12:45 um
02:12:45 yeah because a lot of this stuff is not
02:12:48 really obvious but we should do some
02:12:51 deep thoughts about it and I I’ve seen
02:12:55 it a few times so I’ve I’ve been doing
02:12:57 some thinking all right
02:13:02 I’m if you approach it from and if you
02:13:05 approach it from a technical aspect a
02:13:07 lot of the times you get a lot you get a
02:13:09 lot of things
02:13:11 so
02:13:13 you understand what they’re doing why
02:13:16 they’re doing it
02:13:20 oh my commentary doesn’t do anything
02:13:22 about the technical I’m I’m not too
02:13:25 interested in that I’m I’m more
02:13:26 interested in what they’re trying to say
02:13:28 and teach
02:13:30 well understanding what they’re doing
02:13:32 and how they’re doing it actually helps
02:13:33 actually helps understand helps you
02:13:36 understand what they’re trying to teach
02:13:38 so
02:13:39 um if you haven’t seen it yeah you may
02:13:40 like this I do bring out the polar
02:13:42 configuration out a little bit in it
02:13:45 the boat
02:13:47 yep
02:13:49 yep yeah
02:13:51 it’s the colors are perfect too
02:13:54 yeah with with the red bow and and then
02:13:58 the Oompa Loompas in blue
02:14:03 it’s perfect
02:14:05 director knew what he was doing yes
02:14:08 indeed
02:14:11 the thing is the director has changed
02:14:15 just leave it at that
02:14:16 oh yeah
02:14:20 yeah anyways so what were you saying
02:14:22 uh
02:14:26 probably not important I’m I’m starting
02:14:29 I’m starting my mind’s starting to trap
02:14:31 and my mind’s starting to track a little
02:14:33 bit okay all right well anyways let’s go
02:14:35 back to the main thing so um Erica do
02:14:37 you want a little more on the modalism
02:14:40 because we can do a little more on that
02:14:42 if you want or
02:14:44 you also talked about how you wanted to
02:14:45 talk about prayer some I don’t know if
02:14:47 you want to do that before everybody
02:14:48 passes out or maybe you save that oh no
02:14:51 man I’m about to pulse out right now
02:14:53 like I’m fighting okay
02:14:57 thank you
02:15:00 sometimes I can I’m full of hot air
02:15:02 sometimes I can just keep going
02:15:04 oh no it’s so good it’s been wonderful
02:15:07 hearing and learning
02:15:09 I mean and this has been on my mind too
02:15:12 that’s so weird because you know
02:15:16 everything you guys are talking about
02:15:17 the
02:15:18 um like what we talked about tonight
02:15:20 being one God
02:15:21 because I’ve always wondered that you
02:15:23 know and and I’ve been thinking about it
02:15:26 more and more and more so
02:15:28 sure you know I guess I was ready to
02:15:30 receive that information now you know
02:15:33 yeah it it can be a hard one to let go
02:15:37 um and
02:15:39 I’ve seen her
02:15:40 people have a hard time with it
02:15:43 um especially the the virgin
02:15:46 per one too
02:15:49 um we’ve been taught a lot of lies you
02:15:52 know all these things
02:15:54 based off of paganism
02:15:57 well everybody wants everybody wants for
02:16:00 the everybody wants their miracles to be
02:16:02 seek to mysticism
02:16:04 but yeah and yeah it the truth is so
02:16:09 simple
02:16:10 and it actually explains a lot of stuff
02:16:12 but people don’t want the simple truth
02:16:14 isn’t it I don’t have warnings about
02:16:17 mysticism seeking truth through
02:16:20 mysticism and the Torah
02:16:23 uh yeah it’s forbidden yeah strictly
02:16:27 strictly forboded yeah it’s pretty clear
02:16:30 it’s forbidden yeah
02:16:33 it’s night and day I mean yeah and why
02:16:38 it’s
02:16:40 just plainly stated
02:16:42 anyway yeah
02:16:45 yeah the truth’s not the truth’s not a
02:16:48 the truth
02:16:49 the truth’s not mystical no I and
02:16:56 I’m not going to get people addicted to
02:16:58 my teachings because I’m I’m not telling
02:17:02 sexy stuff
02:17:04 it’s not these Mysteries it’s actually
02:17:07 I’m trying to show how simple it is
02:17:12 it really is pretty simple the problem
02:17:16 the false tradition of the men make it
02:17:18 complicated
02:17:19 because you know why it’s because they
02:17:22 don’t understand it and so they have to
02:17:23 complicate it
02:17:25 yeah they can’t understand the
02:17:28 simplicity
02:17:29 yeah
02:17:31 because they don’t want to because it
02:17:33 exposes them in their lives
02:17:37 that’s pretty simple
02:17:40 uh was that Alma 35 and Alma
02:17:45 31 probably
02:17:48 um going off at Alma’s missionary
02:17:50 experiences right anyways yeah
02:17:55 but yeah so on just a couple few more
02:18:00 verses just on about Yeshua being the
02:18:03 father
02:18:04 ml 11’s a big one on that one right that
02:18:07 goes along with um God and he answered
02:18:10 no
02:18:11 yeah
02:18:13 oh we didn’t even finish looking at
02:18:15 lexares on faith look good back to that
02:18:17 depending how tired you are Erica but
02:18:19 anyways uh I’m all 11 how many gods one
02:18:23 literally one
02:18:27 um and then I mean these are just notes
02:18:31 I make occasionally here
02:18:33 I’m a three 520 is an interesting one
02:18:35 right I’m Mormon I’m a pure descendant
02:18:38 of Lehigh and I have reason to bless my
02:18:43 Elohim
02:18:44 and
02:18:46 My Savior so and in one way you would
02:18:51 think that’s two different persons now
02:18:54 here’s an interesting little tidbit this
02:18:56 and
02:18:58 the word in Hebrew that comes for can be
02:19:01 interpreted and
02:19:03 or or that I mean that’s redundant but I
02:19:05 don’t know how else to say it or either
02:19:07 it could be and
02:19:09 all that doesn’t make sense to me
02:19:10 there’s xor and or
02:19:14 there we go yeah I just and so I would
02:19:18 actually read this I have reason to
02:19:20 bless my Elohim
02:19:22 or
02:19:23 or even better in other words AKA My
02:19:28 Savior Yeshua the Messiah that because
02:19:33 sorry go ahead yeah because and then you
02:19:36 have that he brought our fathers out of
02:19:38 the land of the Jerusalem see he’s tying
02:19:40 both both appellations into the one yeah
02:19:43 that that he is singular that’s modalism
02:19:47 and stuff like that once you’re open to
02:19:51 sing you’ll see all over the Book of
02:19:53 Mormon it’s all over
02:19:56 like use multiple titles
02:20:00 and he ties it to one I mean it’s even
02:20:03 in second Nephi 32 with you know that’s
02:20:07 a big one because of these Doctrine
02:20:08 Christ groups love that chapter right
02:20:11 it’s in there too
02:20:14 and I show that in my one
02:20:17 all things you must you should do post I
02:20:21 think I show that one in there
02:20:22 uh I’m pretty sure sometimes it’s hard
02:20:25 to remember everything I put in the post
02:20:27 but anyways it’s it’s there an element
02:20:29 of 32 also
02:20:32 um
02:20:33 I I just I don’t think I have that note
02:20:35 here because I these are just notes I
02:20:37 make occasionally here and there because
02:20:39 for the most part I’m done with the
02:20:42 subject online I I know what it is and I
02:20:45 have enough to show it to people
02:20:46 and I don’t need to keep adding more
02:20:49 notes but so these ones right here are
02:20:52 mostly Book of Mormon ones here
02:20:54 and then you have these ones going
02:20:56 throughout the rest of the scriptures in
02:20:58 a lot of places
02:21:01 it’s all over once you know it I’m
02:21:05 it’s in this sacramental prayers
02:21:10 okay
02:21:11 um oh maybe I should stay there it’ll be
02:21:13 easier instead of going back and forth
02:21:15 who
02:21:19 does the Book of Mormon Define as the
02:21:22 Eternal Father
02:21:25 yeah I’m putting it here actually I’m
02:21:27 going to ask Erica
02:21:28 who’s the Eternal Father Erica
02:21:33 I mean I’ll let you cheat look at my
02:21:34 look at these verses who’s the Eternal
02:21:36 Father
02:21:37 I can’t even read that on this little
02:21:40 Android I’m holding man I’m so sorry no
02:21:43 that’s fine so I’ll read it mosiah 16
02:21:45 15. teach them that the Redemption
02:21:48 cometh through Yeshua
02:21:51 the Yahweh Who is the very
02:21:56 Eternal Father Allah 11. uh now zazram
02:22:00 saith unto him
02:22:02 unto him is the Son of God the very
02:22:05 Eternal Father and he Emily said unto
02:22:08 him yay you know we know the Son of God
02:22:10 is the Messiah he is the very Eternal
02:22:13 Father Of Heaven and Earth
02:22:15 and all things which are in in them are
02:22:20 he is the beginning in the end of
02:22:21 personal life ronite 10 4.
02:22:25 and when you shall receive these things
02:22:27 I would exert you that you should ask
02:22:29 God the Eternal Father
02:22:31 and the name of the Messiah if these
02:22:35 things are not true if you ask with a
02:22:38 sincere heart with real intent having
02:22:39 faith in Christ he will manifest the
02:22:42 truth unto you by the power of the Holy
02:22:43 Ghost so by the power of the Torah
02:22:46 anyways
02:22:48 this one’s maybe not the best example
02:22:52 um looking at it but God actually it’s
02:22:55 not terrible
02:22:56 it’s not terrible it’s not the best
02:23:00 it’s clearly saying in the name if you
02:23:03 ask the Eternal Father or in the name or
02:23:07 mode of the Savior yeah
02:23:12 but it’s not obvious no it’s not if you
02:23:14 know it
02:23:15 you can see it you know what it’s
02:23:17 obvious believe it it’s it’s not the
02:23:20 best one easy teaching with okay yeah
02:23:22 it’s easy to dismiss I get it uh second
02:23:26 ink by 26 and I speak concerning
02:23:30 concerning the convincing of the Jews
02:23:32 that Yeshua is the very Messiah it must
02:23:37 need to be that the Gentiles be
02:23:39 convinced also that Yeshua is the
02:23:41 Messiah the Eternal God Elohim
02:23:46 um the eternal
02:23:49 the father of Eternity the name of
02:23:51 Christ as in Isaiah 9 6 of Verizon
02:23:56 problem anyways
02:24:00 um uh first thing by 362 and the angel
02:24:03 said unto me Behold the Lamb of God
02:24:05 that’s the Messiah the Son so even the
02:24:09 Eternal Father okay so it’s pretty
02:24:12 obvious to me
02:24:14 who the Eternal Father is
02:24:16 and the Book of Mormon only defines the
02:24:19 Eternal Father as Yeshua
02:24:22 only the only definition
02:24:25 now
02:24:27 uh we’re supposed to pray to the father
02:24:31 right we only pray to the father
02:24:35 I can get you a verse for that if you
02:24:37 want but more what I want to do is now
02:24:40 go look at the sacramental prayers
02:24:44 and I want to use the Kindle version
02:24:45 because I like the early Expedition
02:24:49 it’s interesting we pray to the father
02:24:52 of her spirit in the name of the son
02:24:56 under the authority of the Sun
02:25:00 or the flesh
02:25:04 interesting he has the authority because
02:25:07 he came down as the son and did what he
02:25:09 did as yeah that’s what gave him the
02:25:11 power on the authority but yeah but
02:25:16 oh God the
02:25:18 Eternal Father
02:25:20 yeah we just saw the Book of Mormon
02:25:23 defining that as Yeshua yeah
02:25:27 same thing with the other one the
02:25:31 Eternal Father that’s Yeshua we’re
02:25:33 playing to Yeshua yeah and we ask thee
02:25:36 in the name of thy son Jesus Christ and
02:25:38 then in other words we ask you in the
02:25:41 name of in the name of
02:25:44 the authority of he who propitiated or
02:25:47 sent for our sins right
02:25:50 and he’s the one that makes it so all
02:25:52 this could because of what he did as the
02:25:55 sun made this all possible
02:25:58 yeah so in the name yeah we asked the
02:26:01 under the authority
02:26:05 of thy son Jesus Christ that actually
02:26:07 yeah because in the name of is a Hebrew
02:26:11 idiom for under the authority yeah name
02:26:13 is Authority I mean even in English it
02:26:15 still is
02:26:16 that’s true when people use it they know
02:26:19 that’s what it is but they don’t think
02:26:21 about it that actually means that
02:26:24 except when they use it right
02:26:27 right
02:26:28 because it’s kind of dying in Modern
02:26:32 English right but it’s still kind of
02:26:34 there but anyways
02:26:37 so and when we’re doing the sacramental
02:26:40 prayers that’s modalism you’re praying
02:26:43 to the Sun
02:26:48 we pray into the Son and the father
02:26:51 you’re praying to the father who is this
02:26:52 so yeah it’s just in his mode of the
02:26:56 father yeah
02:26:58 it’s modalism well yeah you’re actually
02:27:00 you actually connect both modes in the
02:27:03 same prayer
02:27:05 so shouldn’t we just say
02:27:07 um instead of saying Father in Heaven
02:27:09 our heavenly father shouldn’t we just
02:27:11 say in the beginning since we know it’s
02:27:13 him to say
02:27:15 um Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
02:27:18 you could
02:27:20 um I actually personally I prefer saying
02:27:24 the father because of
02:27:27 um we’re supposed to pray to the father
02:27:30 and so I prefer that title for it but
02:27:34 ultimately I don’t think it matters
02:27:36 because it’s the same entity
02:27:38 because he is the father
02:27:40 well yeah I mean um
02:27:43 in third Nephi
02:27:45 the people are praying to Jesus and it’s
02:27:48 pleasing to the father
02:27:50 yeah I’ll show you the verse
02:27:54 that’s one of my favorite ones to show
02:27:56 people on on this subject but yeah let’s
02:27:58 let’s bring it up let’s
02:28:00 go look at it
02:28:04 there we go and behold no remember and
02:28:09 we can get into this if you want but
02:28:10 we’re only supposed to pray to the
02:28:12 father according to the Book of Mormon
02:28:14 13 by 1918 behold they began to pray and
02:28:17 they did pray unto Yeshua calling him
02:28:20 their Yahweh and their Elohim
02:28:25 [Music]
02:28:31 they said Yeshua
02:28:34 and I think it’s fine
02:28:36 I I personally prefer the father but if
02:28:41 you want to say Jesus
02:28:42 or Yeshua or however you want to call
02:28:45 him
02:28:46 I say go for it look Barrett is right
02:28:49 there
02:28:52 and it was counted on to these people
02:28:53 for righteousness
02:28:55 yeah I
02:28:58 I mean they they did it because he was
02:29:00 there’s some commentary in the book more
02:29:02 and that bringing out how it was because
02:29:05 he was because he was right there with
02:29:07 him right he’s not right there with us
02:29:10 right now but I don’t think it’s a big
02:29:13 deal if you want to say
02:29:15 yeah I I’m
02:29:19 I just more prefer the general pattern
02:29:21 of Father pray to the father in the name
02:29:23 of the son and that’s what I do do all
02:29:26 that thou doest in the name of the son
02:29:29 yeah
02:29:31 because we need to do it in his
02:29:33 authority
02:29:34 right all right
02:29:37 um yeah that’s uh Moses right there
02:29:40 Moses chapter
02:29:42 five
02:29:46 anyways but I mean you can see I mean
02:29:49 you have a few and Isaiah which is which
02:29:53 was kind of a big one in helping me
02:29:55 um come to this actually to be honest
02:29:58 and in mosiah 15 because it’s laying out
02:30:03 how Isaiah 53 is possible Right
02:30:07 even in Jewish Traditions there’s this
02:30:10 thing modalism
02:30:13 depending on which Jewish tradition you
02:30:14 want to go with but they they know that
02:30:16 there’s a father in the son it’s just
02:30:18 that the current rabbis don’t understand
02:30:19 it
02:30:21 and I can tell you why current rabbis
02:30:24 keep oral law
02:30:25 which makes the written law God’s law no
02:30:29 void
02:30:30 so
02:30:32 so their understanding is taken away
02:30:33 from them uh Alma 12 right
02:30:38 9-11
02:30:39 so
02:30:42 well for me it’s becoming readily
02:30:45 apparent as I
02:30:47 keep track of certain feeds on
02:30:50 Telegram
02:30:53 that they’re losing that they’re that
02:30:55 they’re losing what light they had
02:31:00 um
02:31:01 and it’s to me it’s quite sad
02:31:04 yeah well and you know and you do your
02:31:08 best and you try to bring the light in
02:31:11 and they reject it and say that we
02:31:14 cannot live the law and um
02:31:16 but they they liked their
02:31:19 their
02:31:20 addicted to what they think is learning
02:31:24 mysteries of God
02:31:26 rather than
02:31:28 realizing it’s about becoming I mean the
02:31:32 Book of Mormon says that in the New
02:31:33 Testament so what is the Old Testament
02:31:35 it’s about becoming I would even say the
02:31:38 doctrine covenants and lectures on face
02:31:40 to state that it’s about becoming not
02:31:43 just knowing in fact if what they were
02:31:46 actually becoming to know was actually
02:31:48 real knowledge it’s not it’s actually
02:31:51 when they’re not becoming it’s
02:31:53 condemning them even more because
02:31:56 the more you know the more
02:31:58 responsibility you have and so with them
02:32:02 focusing of just knowing knowing and
02:32:03 knowing like Greek and gnosticism
02:32:07 um
02:32:08 they’re actually just condemning
02:32:09 themselves more
02:32:11 no I mean they’re not really coming to
02:32:13 the truth or
02:32:15 that they’re I mean they’re still what
02:32:18 they’re doing still condemning them or
02:32:19 just in a slightly different way because
02:32:21 they’re binding themselves the same with
02:32:25 these new age
02:32:28 occult satanism
02:32:30 stuff that they’re pushing right I even
02:32:33 saw it in the doctrine of Christ’s
02:32:34 discussions group that I got kicked out
02:32:37 of it was there unless they just
02:32:41 you should have they should have called
02:32:43 it the MMP discussion
02:32:46 that was like their favorite discussion
02:32:47 thing to talk about
02:32:49 mad
02:32:50 which is
02:32:52 just like is this the MMP group
02:32:55 somebody else just recently asked that
02:32:58 on that panel and they said it’s not an
02:33:02 essential belief that you have to have
02:33:04 but
02:33:06 yeah
02:33:07 and it was PB because it’s just from the
02:33:10 devil that’s why it’s not essential in
02:33:12 fact if you do believe it it will damn
02:33:14 you
02:33:15 well for the simple reason that you’ll
02:33:18 always be thinking that you have another
02:33:19 time yeah where the Book of Mormon stays
02:33:23 now is the time to prepare to make God
02:33:26 now and it even states that you can’t
02:33:29 repent after you die and you don’t get
02:33:31 another life after you die it’s just
02:33:35 they’re so addicted to sinning that they
02:33:38 want to be able to keep sinning
02:33:40 and still be counted righteous
02:33:43 foreign
02:33:46 to me but I can definitely see how
02:33:48 that’s what they’re doing but after uh
02:33:51 after yeah it was really disheartening
02:33:54 to me after all the effort that I’ve put
02:33:57 in on that thread to point people to the
02:34:01 law
02:34:03 to
02:34:04 self-sanctification to see people
02:34:06 agreeing with this idea
02:34:09 that we can’t obey the law that we
02:34:11 cannot obey the law therefore we must
02:34:14 only therefore we all that God requires
02:34:17 of us is to obey the Commandments he
02:34:18 gives us personally
02:34:21 and I’m just like what’s the point
02:34:25 what’s the freaking point
02:34:28 so a lot of people use the to twist the
02:34:32 verse in the New Testament like if you
02:34:34 break one law you break it all
02:34:36 because the whole law is about love and
02:34:39 when you break it you’re breaking love
02:34:41 so you’re breaking the whole thing
02:34:43 because it’s all about love
02:34:45 yeah
02:34:47 that’s that’s why you can break one and
02:34:49 break the whole thing it’s because it’s
02:34:51 all about love
02:34:52 the whole things about love and so when
02:34:54 you break one little part it’s about
02:34:56 love you broke love which is what it’s
02:34:59 all about
02:35:02 it’s it’s not a complicated thing to
02:35:05 understand but they want to make it
02:35:07 complicated so that way they don’t have
02:35:09 to keep it they want to make it about a
02:35:11 whole bunch of little rules and
02:35:12 regulations
02:35:14 wow little rules and regulations is
02:35:17 yahweh’s
02:35:19 rules and regulations there is will yeah
02:35:24 it’s his expounding upon it to help us
02:35:27 better understand it they think they
02:35:29 know the law better than you always
02:35:32 they’re kidding themselves I’ve said
02:35:34 that a lot yeah you cannot be you cannot
02:35:36 be receiving Revelation and secrets from
02:35:40 God if you are outside of his will
02:35:42 yeah no I I
02:35:45 but the thing is they’re so blind they
02:35:48 think they’re in it
02:35:52 they’ve oh
02:35:54 they’ve got Saint glasses they see
02:35:56 everything in the way that Satan wanted
02:35:58 them to to see it and they they don’t
02:36:01 see it I mean that sounds redundant but
02:36:03 you know what I’m saying
02:36:05 right yeah Satan gave him an awesome
02:36:10 pair of
02:36:11 the uh Kaleidoscope glasses
02:36:15 and there’s a little busy turning them
02:36:18 around they’re moving it seeing all new
02:36:21 shapes every time they turn it
02:36:24 where I I when I was there I just tried
02:36:28 to hike
02:36:30 all honest when I was there
02:36:34 I thought about how to bring everything
02:36:36 back to the law
02:36:38 and I did pretty good at it I would say
02:36:40 I mean I’m being profitable about it
02:36:42 you’ll have to maybe stick up and see if
02:36:44 I was was or not but anyway
02:36:47 and it was driving them nuts but they
02:36:50 had to get rid of me
02:36:53 well yeah they had they and yeah they’re
02:36:58 they cut it’s interesting how they come
02:37:00 up with how they come up with
02:37:01 technicalities to do these things yeah
02:37:03 well it’s funny I called them out for
02:37:06 not keeping their own rules
02:37:08 the admins I know I did they’re supposed
02:37:12 to be we’re supposed to be polite and
02:37:14 kind you be polite and kind
02:37:18 whatever I I mean them not extra when
02:37:21 they’re proving all these things they
02:37:22 weren’t doctrine of Christ and when they
02:37:24 wouldn’t approve mine
02:37:25 that’s not polite that’s a double
02:37:27 standard yeah it’s a long to yourself
02:37:30 and I called him on it and they’re like
02:37:33 ouch I’m like no this is what you’re
02:37:34 doing
02:37:36 I just called him out and then when they
02:37:38 didn’t like me anymore after that they
02:37:40 come up with new rules to get rid of me
02:37:42 yeah
02:37:46 so first they don’t keep their own rules
02:37:48 and then they make up new rules to get
02:37:50 rid of me but yeah that sounds like
02:37:53 concerns
02:37:55 they want to keep are the ones that get
02:37:58 rid of the people they don’t like
02:38:00 because I bet that role is still there
02:38:01 that they’re supposed to be about
02:38:02 doctrine of Christ but they don’t keep
02:38:05 it
02:38:06 except except when it’s in their favor
02:38:09 so they’re really not keeping it they’re
02:38:11 being a respecter of persons which the
02:38:13 scriptures say God is Not
02:38:16 right you want to be like God you better
02:38:18 not be a respecter of persons which is
02:38:20 what they’re doing that’s right no no
02:38:23 you don’t have to let you don’t have to
02:38:25 like the way that a person looks at the
02:38:27 doctrine of Christ in order to post
02:38:28 something that’s obviously about the
02:38:30 doctrine of Christ
02:38:36 [Music]
02:38:37 uh enough of that that’s why when
02:38:41 um I didn’t like the group when I was at
02:38:44 it on Telegram
02:38:46 and
02:38:48 um I kept getting that feeling of leave
02:38:52 until it was almost audibly I almost
02:38:55 heard it it was so loud in my head like
02:38:58 don’t be part of that group get out of
02:39:00 it
02:39:01 and and then I got out of it the first
02:39:03 time so I was like really annoyed
02:39:05 because they wouldn’t let like they kept
02:39:07 fighting about stupid things over and
02:39:08 over and over and I was like this is not
02:39:10 you know conductive conductive and
02:39:13 this is just drama I don’t want to be
02:39:15 back in high school so and then when
02:39:18 they added fight but I I’m pointing them
02:39:21 to scriptures and they’re pointing
02:39:22 everybody to their own personal opinions
02:39:24 and that’s why they keep fighting about
02:39:25 it because they have nothing solid to go
02:39:27 off of
02:39:28 yeah I just want to like a clear answer
02:39:31 and it would be
02:39:33 you know molded around whatever and then
02:39:36 the second time you know we all know
02:39:37 what happened and then but yeah it’s
02:39:41 just horrible to end on another note
02:39:43 just to give you a little preview of
02:39:46 prayer since we’re running out of time
02:39:48 and we’ll talk about it next uh sooner
02:39:49 Sabbath but a big thing okay
02:39:53 is your heart Proverbs 28 9.
02:39:58 he that turneth away his ear from
02:40:02 hearing the Torah
02:40:04 get this get this
02:40:06 even his prayer shall be in abomination
02:40:12 you want to know why do you have a hard
02:40:14 time getting their prayers answered
02:40:15 because they talked about it when I was
02:40:17 in the group
02:40:18 right all I have to pray hours and hours
02:40:22 and hours
02:40:24 let me let me read that again he that
02:40:26 turneth his way his ear from hearing
02:40:29 Torah
02:40:31 even his prayer shall be an Abomination
02:40:33 I can get that from Little mining’s
02:40:35 Moroni seven too but anyways that’s also
02:40:38 in Isaiah it’s also in Isaiah 1.
02:40:41 oh yeah but I mean
02:40:43 well the thing about Moroni seven it’s
02:40:46 after the resurrection so that’s harder
02:40:49 to argue with but that’s true with you
02:40:51 on Isaiah one
02:40:53 they may not
02:40:55 and so when we can bring these things
02:40:58 out from things that are after The
02:40:59 Resurrection it makes it even harder for
02:41:02 them
02:41:04 yeah but anyways that’s a key on prayer
02:41:08 Erica
02:41:10 and we can do more on on on things next
02:41:14 time but that’s a big deal
02:41:17 that is a big deal
02:41:20 and these guys even go off and help
02:41:22 they’re
02:41:24 sacrifices right
02:41:27 in the Old Testament it talks about if
02:41:31 you’re giving your supposed sacrifices
02:41:33 and you’re not keeping the law it’s an
02:41:36 abomination
02:41:39 so guess who
02:41:40 guess who Delights in Abominations
02:41:46 it’s Satan
02:41:48 um
02:41:50 that’s their God
02:41:52 I just said it that’s their God
02:41:57 oh yeah well I mean when they when
02:42:00 people talk about
02:42:02 whipping and beating Satan at his own
02:42:04 game yada yada
02:42:07 you we can
02:42:08 we can’t do that
02:42:10 longer Satan has power over us because
02:42:13 we’ve sinned we need to go to Yeshua the
02:42:16 only the only way that Satan does not
02:42:18 have power and authority over us is if
02:42:20 we turn to the law is when we turn to
02:42:22 the law
02:42:24 and Yeshua and yes we need both right
02:42:27 yeah you know that I’m just clarifying
02:42:29 for the listeners yeah clarifying and
02:42:32 clarifying to clarifying for the uh
02:42:34 reporting recording yeah
02:42:37 um
02:42:39 and and guess what oh that’s taught in
02:42:41 the Book of Mormon too but
02:42:44 for next time because it’s getting late
02:42:47 um oh the Lord was slow to hear their
02:42:49 cry because of their Enigma my
02:42:53 my thing is
02:42:55 don’t boast about how long you pray
02:42:59 yeah that’s that’s prideful
02:43:01 that’s that’s exactly the thing that
02:43:04 Jesus Christ
02:43:05 announced in the Pharisees well and the
02:43:10 the pattern of prayer which we can go
02:43:11 over next time is short
02:43:15 um
02:43:15 so I anyways we so yeah but let’s uh I
02:43:20 think we’re I think we’ve reached a good
02:43:21 closing Point what do you think Erica
02:43:25 yes I think so too
02:43:28 all right well we’ll call it a night
02:43:30 hopefully I’ll see you guys tomorrow oh
02:43:33 absolutely I’ll be I’ll be here if I can
02:43:36 find the bells I’ll have them on
02:43:39 the Dallas I’m not sure the jesters cap
02:43:43 oh okay there with bells on yeah I’ve
02:43:47 heard that uh Mardi Gras
02:43:50 [Laughter]
02:43:58 that was not picked by accident
02:44:01 yeah go look up what fools means in the
02:44:04 Bible in the scriptures yeah I’ll look
02:44:08 that up
02:44:10 alrighty Stephen you have a good night
02:44:12 Bob good night brother I already have
02:44:14 yeah
02:44:16 okay take care
02:44:21 I said bye bye have a good night