Scripture Study 2025-11-12 Atonement Thoughts

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Sharing some thoughts about the atonement. Everything in the tabernacle points to Yeshua and the atonement along with Torah. Yeshua gave us Torah to help us understand who He is. If we only focus on the commandments of Torah we will not come to understand it and hate it. We are to have the commandments written on our hearts just as we are to braid our Tizitzits and have the blue, which represents Torah, be on the inside just as we are to have Torah written on our insides. Torah tells us to enjoy life within the bounds to protect us. Torah is about how Yeshua wants us to love Him and others including ourselves. YHWH’s ways are deep. Until you become like Yeshua you won’t recognize Him. YHWH is behind all the good. With Torah and the Atonement we can become justified and sanctified. The Menorah is symbolic of the Tree of Life and thus Yeshua. Mercy is integral to Torah. We can keep Torah after we give up our sinful life. Torah brings out only the head of the household can take on the responsibilities of others with goes along with Modalism but it does not work with the Father and the Son being two different souls. Modalism is like taking on a different characters as one actor does. There is nothing wrong with talking with yourself, I did it when going especially when going through hard times. YHWH does things according to His word. When you know someone you have a good idea what they do in a circumstance. If you want to show something is wrong you need to understand it first. We should use what we have learned in life to bring out the truth. If you deny you have ever sinned you are liar. 1 John 2 brings out how we are to walk as Yeshua walked, and Yeshua kept Torah. The Messiah has to be someone who has passed the test without even sinned. Abortion is murder. The murdered babies have not sinned, but have not been sanctified. Even when it’s hard to keep Torah, because of the atonement, it is more than worth it. Fellowship among other believers. True friends will tell you when you are wrong even when you don’t want to hear it just as YHWH chastises those whom He loves. We need to keep strive to keep the commandments before we receive joy which is why the bread is before the wine for the sacrament. Justification happens after baptism of water and we want to repent, Sanctification is when we have actually repented and thus keeping Torah. Yeshua is the only one who has not sinned. The consequence of sin is death. Because of the atonement I don’t have to worry about redoing my past to fix it. Joseph Smith is the modern day Elijah. Yeshua bleed from every pore from the stress of the atonement. If I sinner can’t satisfy the debt for my own sins, how can I help anyone else with their satisfying. The animal sacrifices are teaching about the atonement. The atonement and the resurrection are two different things. We are to offer Yeshua’s righteousness in place of our own. We are saved by the blood of Yeshua then we are rewarded for our works. Yeshua cried why has thou forsaken Me because the consequence of sin is separation from the glory. The atonement makes the resurrection possible. Yeshua died because He took upon Himself our sins. Yeshua broke the bands of death because He did not sin Himself so did not deserve death. Be like Able and present the Lamb for our righteousness. Because Yeshua figured it out, He became the Father and the Son. Modalism is merciful, LDS Godhead is vengeful. The atonement is Yeshua I will take care of your past but you need to correctly in the future. Joseph Smith taught it’s impossible to have faith unto salvation if you think YHWH’s ways are changing. Archery deals with both Torah and repenting. Consistency is also needed to become like Yeshua. The Book of Mormon prophets taught Torah after Yeshua’s death and resurrection. YHWH told Ben if you want to see My face learn my law. Learn the law then teach it to others. The scripture about the sacrifices are not so boring when you know what they point to, which is the atonement. The atonement will take away depression. The atonement makes life worth it. I don’t like the translation of Elohim to God because of the Greek myths ideas that gets tied with it. Yeshua did not tear a toga. Heartland artifacts shows marks only in Yeshua’s wrists and not the hands. The nail went through Yeshua’s heal of the foot not the palm of the foot. The crown of thorns points to the ram in the thicket. When you become like Yeshua through the atonement you can command the elements and souls through the power of Torah. People don’t understand the atonement because they don’t Torah. Enjoy all the trees but one sin.

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00:00:02 So, uh, today we’ve been kind of just
00:00:08 talking of various subjects before we
00:00:09 started hitting the record button. And,
00:00:12 um,
00:00:14 I I
00:00:16 was thinking about the atonement some
00:00:17 today and the guys wanted to hear some
00:00:20 of my thoughts.
00:00:22 So, we figured we’d do the recording on
00:00:24 that today. Uh cuz we we did some other
00:00:29 things last week that didn’t get
00:00:30 recorded. But anyways, um so
00:00:35 I I know
00:00:38 where to start. I don’t know. Um so when
00:00:41 we look through the scriptures and one
00:00:43 time Andrew want us to go look at the
00:00:46 symbolism of the tabernacle. Okay? And
00:00:50 I’m just bringing this out because this
00:00:53 is one time that really made this part
00:00:56 very evident to me. I mean, I’d saw it
00:00:59 some before, but seeing it there just
00:01:01 really made it hit home even more. It
00:01:05 was a home run. Okay.
00:01:06 >> Yeah. There you go.
00:01:12 We need both
00:01:16 the law,
00:01:18 Torah and Yeshua. Okay.
00:01:21 >> Amen.
00:01:22 >> Um
00:01:24 and I I know
00:01:27 people say I’m I’m hyperfocused on the
00:01:31 law,
00:01:33 and I can understand why they say that.
00:01:38 But it is the tool that he’s given us to
00:01:43 understand him and become like him and
00:01:45 to do what he would do.
00:01:47 >> Amen.
00:01:48 >> Amen.
00:01:50 >> And and
00:01:52 so
00:01:57 also
00:02:00 I I I’m I’m working on a post that I
00:02:02 might call Nephi’s bow, but it actually
00:02:07 goes into some of the symbolism and as
00:02:09 I’m working on it, I have this habit of
00:02:11 taking too long.
00:02:15 >> But it’s because I do care. But I I I do
00:02:19 want to bring this part out. Okay.
00:02:22 >> Yeah.
00:02:23 >> That
00:02:26 so Nephi’s bow broke. I’m not going to
00:02:28 focus on that part. I’m going to save
00:02:30 some of that for the the post. Okay. But
00:02:34 the thing that doesn’t get focused on is
00:02:36 how
00:02:38 Layman and Lemu’s bows lost its
00:02:42 >> oh what’s
00:02:44 >> Yeah. The springiness
00:02:45 >> elasticity
00:02:46 >> the elasticity.
00:02:48 >> Okay.
00:02:50 And so
00:02:53 and the reason why is because they did
00:02:54 not unstring the string. Okay. Now,
00:03:01 what is there in
00:03:03 the law that looks like a string? And it
00:03:07 actually is in Oh crap. I have to
00:03:10 remember. Is it Elma 37 about the
00:03:13 bridal?
00:03:15 >> Are you referring to the TC?
00:03:17 >> Yeah, the one. But it says bridal, but
00:03:19 the imagery is TCS. Okay. So, very good
00:03:22 on that. I think it’s Elmo 37.
00:03:25 It’s hard to have everything memorized,
00:03:27 but anyway, it’s the one about bridling
00:03:29 your patterns. Okay.
00:03:30 >> Yes.
00:03:31 >> So, the reason I say that, as Andrew
00:03:33 brings out is T- seats, is when you go
00:03:36 look in the definition of the bridal,
00:03:37 it’s a string that goes on horses to
00:03:40 keep them uh within
00:03:44 [Music]
00:03:46 certain limits. Okay.
00:03:49 key seats.
00:03:51 It are strings
00:03:54 that in my opinion now I know there’s
00:03:57 various debates on some of these things
00:03:59 and I have changed myself on some of
00:04:01 these things. So if you don’t believe
00:04:03 this part that’s fine. I I I do a three
00:04:07 braid
00:04:09 um or a threest string braid. That’s
00:04:11 probably best way to say it. And one of
00:04:13 the braids is blue which points to
00:04:15 Torah. The other two are white, which I
00:04:17 actually do believe points to the father
00:04:19 and the son. Okay? Now, it that’s how I
00:04:23 do it and that’s part of the reason why
00:04:25 I do it. In addition, when you times
00:04:26 that by four, you get 12, which is
00:04:28 governance. Okay? But that string is
00:04:33 specifically said to help you remember
00:04:36 the commandments. Okay?
00:04:38 Mhm.
00:04:39 >> So, tying this back to the bow
00:04:44 >> and how layman and lemu’s
00:04:48 uh bow lost its elasticity. Did I say
00:04:52 that right?
00:04:53 >> They call it spring, the end of
00:04:55 >> or the spring, whatever. So, that way it
00:04:57 when you pull back it’s got force and
00:04:59 pushes there. Okay.
00:05:00 >> Correct.
00:05:01 >> Yeah. Yeah. um they left the string on
00:05:06 which represents the commandments.
00:05:09 And so what we can learn from that is
00:05:12 all you focus on is what you cannot do.
00:05:15 >> Yeah.
00:05:18 >> You’ll forget about everything else. In
00:05:20 fact, you’ll forget about how Yahweh
00:05:24 says, “Go eat of all the trees except
00:05:27 for one
00:05:29 >> sin.” And only one tree is the tree of
00:05:32 life. The others
00:05:35 is to enjoy life.
00:05:37 >> Yeah.
00:05:39 >> Torah is to help us enjoy life. Okay.
00:05:43 But within the bounds that Yahweh has
00:05:45 set. So anyway, sorry that’s a
00:05:47 sidetrack. But there’s more to Torah
00:05:51 than just the law of do nots. Yes, there
00:05:56 are some, but they are fences to protect
00:05:58 us
00:06:00 >> and to make it so
00:06:04 relationships with each other are
00:06:08 joyous and happy instead of the garbage
00:06:11 that you see in the world today.
00:06:14 >> Yeah.
00:06:14 >> Yeah. Amen. I when when and I need to
00:06:18 get back to the atonement stuff. I’m
00:06:19 sidetracking. Sorry. But Yeshua said
00:06:25 >> that the two great commandments are how
00:06:28 to love Yahweh and then how to love your
00:06:30 neighbor and others. thus hangs or what
00:06:34 Torah
00:06:36 and the commentary from the prophets are
00:06:38 based on is to make our interactions and
00:06:42 relationships
00:06:44 good.
00:06:46 >> Yes.
00:06:46 >> To have joy.
00:06:51 Anyways, sorry about that. But Torah
00:06:55 is more than just the commandments.
00:06:58 Okay.
00:06:59 >> May I give a thought?
00:07:01 on the seat seat.
00:07:03 >> No,
00:07:04 >> the seat seat
00:07:06 if you just think of it as a braid is
00:07:08 just plain.
00:07:10 But if you have actually made your own
00:07:13 seat seats, they are actually beautiful.
00:07:18 >> I I mean I agree. In fact, I put this in
00:07:21 a a post. I like feeling them as I walk.
00:07:25 I know that sounds weird, but anyways.
00:07:28 >> No, but they are beautiful.
00:07:30 Well, and here’s mine. Yeah, I it’s this
00:07:35 camera probably won’t give it justice,
00:07:37 right? Not seeing any blue. So, but
00:07:40 anyways, so
00:07:42 >> they’re beautiful
00:07:45 and they are to show you how your walk
00:07:50 with Yahwa in keeping his law is
00:07:55 beautiful
00:07:58 also. And that’s another piece of little
00:08:00 imagery that I I saw that popped into my
00:08:03 head as you were talking.
00:08:04 >> Yeah. So, just one more on the tea seats
00:08:06 while since John brought that up. It So,
00:08:11 Torah is supposed to be written on your
00:08:12 inards.
00:08:14 >> Yes.
00:08:15 >> Not just the outside. And I’m going to
00:08:16 make some people angry here, but I don’t
00:08:18 care.
00:08:20 The Orthodox Jews only have it on the
00:08:22 outsides for look with that little twist
00:08:24 on the outside.
00:08:26 Torah actually commanded to braid it.
00:08:28 And the thing about how Torah is
00:08:31 supposed to be written on your hearts
00:08:33 and your inards goes along with the
00:08:34 braid. When you’re braiding the strings,
00:08:39 >> Amen.
00:08:40 >> It’s going on the inside. It’s not just
00:08:42 the outside for looks.
00:08:47 >> That’s what makes it so beautiful to me
00:08:50 is that it’s engraved in. It’s
00:08:53 intertwined
00:08:54 into
00:08:56 you and the whites.
00:09:01 Part of the white is you and part of the
00:09:04 white is the other part of the white is
00:09:07 yah.
00:09:08 >> Yeah.
00:09:09 >> Intertwining all three together.
00:09:13 >> Yeah. Let your light shall shine that
00:09:15 you got from Yeshua. Um
00:09:18 >> exactly.
00:09:19 And that light is Torah and that’s
00:09:21 specified in the in the Psalms and I
00:09:24 have a page for it that shows that in
00:09:26 Proverbs and other places. So anyways,
00:09:29 um
00:09:34 >> the depth in the way that Yahweh tells
00:09:37 us to do things is deep.
00:09:40 >> Yes.
00:09:41 >> And and you will not come to understand
00:09:44 it until you start keeping it. Okay.
00:09:47 Until
00:09:48 you become like him, you won’t recognize
00:09:52 him.
00:09:54 >> Amen.
00:09:55 >> You won’t recognize him in what he
00:09:58 reveals.
00:09:59 You will not recognize him in your life.
00:10:03 >> Correct.
00:10:06 Um
00:10:08 on the seeing him in your life, the
00:10:09 brother of Jared was it uh Ether 3 and
00:10:13 four.
00:10:15 Yeah. Um anyways when he saw the finger
00:10:19 >> yes
00:10:20 >> he saw how Yahweh was uh behind all the
00:10:25 good.
00:10:27 >> So I do believe he saw the phys uh the
00:10:31 spiritual finger. Okay. because it was
00:10:33 he was a spirit at that time. But
00:10:37 he more importantly
00:10:40 understood
00:10:42 how Yahweh was directing all the good.
00:10:46 >> Amen.
00:10:50 >> That
00:10:52 I love civilism as these guys both tell
00:10:54 you. Nice. Um but okay, so back to the
00:10:58 tabernacle.
00:11:01 Every single part of the tabernacle
00:11:06 has
00:11:08 symbolic meanings behind the numbers or
00:11:10 the images of
00:11:14 Yeshua
00:11:15 aka thus the atonement
00:11:19 >> and the law. Okay.
00:11:23 In even uh Ben, you’ll have to remind
00:11:26 me. Is it DNC 84 or 88? It says you’re
00:11:28 justified and sanctified by the law.
00:11:30 come in section 88 34 and 35.
00:11:33 >> Okay. Yeah, Ben has that memorized.
00:11:35 That’s one of his favorites. Okay. And
00:11:38 it doesn’t say justified. It actually
00:11:39 says I think it’s perfected.
00:11:43 >> Yes.
00:11:43 >> That you are preserved
00:11:46 and perfected.
00:11:47 >> Yes, perfected. So, I did remember
00:11:49 perfected, right? But if you go look at
00:11:50 the definitions of perfected and
00:11:52 justified, they overlap. Okay. Well,
00:11:55 >> it’s the definitions of preserved and
00:11:58 justified.
00:12:00 Oh, okay. So, maybe I’m remembering a
00:12:02 little off. Thank you for correcting me.
00:12:05 >> I’m I’m actually remembering your post
00:12:07 that you wrote on that.
00:12:08 >> Oh, I I I know I wrote it. I just It’s
00:12:10 hard to remember everything on the on
00:12:12 this. I didn’t prep. Okay. So,
00:12:15 >> you’re fine. But
00:12:16 >> I’m thanking you for uh correcting me in
00:12:19 the moment. Okay. Because I do like to
00:12:21 be correct, but sometimes it’s hard to
00:12:23 remember all the nitty-gritty details.
00:12:25 So, Oh,
00:12:26 >> yeah. I I’ll I enjoy writing posts, but
00:12:28 it’s a little easy to remember
00:12:30 everything in the post because it’s not
00:12:32 runtime or Yeah.
00:12:34 >> I What’s the English way of saying
00:12:36 runtime? That’s the computer way. In the
00:12:38 moment. In the moment. That’s what I
00:12:40 want. Um so,
00:12:43 but thank you for making sure we got it
00:12:45 correct on the record.
00:12:46 >> And another phrase would be go time.
00:12:48 It’s hard to remember it on the go on
00:12:50 the
00:12:50 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um anyways um
00:12:55 >> oh
00:12:56 >> but there and in those verses it brings
00:13:00 out how
00:13:03 Torah or the law has a part in that. Now
00:13:07 it’s not the only part. There’s also the
00:13:10 atonement too.
00:13:13 Okay. Uh e even
00:13:17 the dimensions of the walls on each part
00:13:22 or or section points to Yeshua and thus
00:13:26 the atonement.
00:13:28 >> Yeah.
00:13:28 >> And the law every single one.
00:13:30 >> Yes.
00:13:31 >> All the dimensions.
00:13:34 uh and even in uh the holy place where
00:13:37 you have the manora which is represented
00:13:40 the tree of life which is Yeshua aka the
00:13:43 atonement and then
00:13:46 the bread aka the law
00:13:49 >> it’s
00:13:51 everywhere
00:13:52 >> it is
00:13:54 >> mercy is very aka the atonement is very
00:13:59 integral to Torah in fact yesua
00:14:04 even states in the New Testament, uh, if
00:14:08 you don’t forgive, aka give mercy,
00:14:12 you can’t be forgiven.
00:14:14 >> Well, and here’s the thing.
00:14:17 The Torah without mercy
00:14:20 is just a weapon of mass destruction.
00:14:24 >> Yeah, because there’s only one that’s
00:14:26 ever kept it.
00:14:29 >> That’s That’s a good way to put it, Ben.
00:14:32 Yeah, there’s only one that’s kept it
00:14:34 through his whole life. Now, uh there
00:14:37 have been many sanctified ones that have
00:14:41 kept it after a period of their life,
00:14:45 after they’ve gave up their sinful life,
00:14:47 then they have kept it. And that’s only
00:14:50 possible because of the atonement.
00:14:53 >> Yep. Um
00:14:57 so and also um so let me say this. This
00:15:01 also
00:15:04 affects
00:15:06 the godhood or modalism. Okay, I prefer
00:15:09 the term modalism because it has
00:15:16 maybe less baggage with the term but I’m
00:15:18 fine with the word godhead. Okay. But
00:15:23 um and the reason I say it gets into
00:15:25 even that area because uh Torah actually
00:15:30 brings out how only the head of a
00:15:32 household
00:15:34 can take on the responsibilities of
00:15:37 someone else. Okay.
00:15:39 >> Yes. So
00:15:42 um taking upon the responsibilities of
00:15:46 someone’s sins can only be done up by
00:15:52 the head of the household.
00:15:54 >> Yes.
00:15:56 Now, the reason why I’m bringing this
00:15:59 up, this is different than the LDS
00:16:02 Brighgamite
00:16:04 idea of Godhead and and and
00:16:08 who is
00:16:10 took charge of the responsibility of the
00:16:13 sins
00:16:15 >> versus modalism.
00:16:18 It’s well, it’s in the word. Two
00:16:21 different modes. Okay.
00:16:23 >> Right.
00:16:24 one one entity two different modes. So
00:16:29 it is only Oh,
00:16:31 >> go ahead.
00:16:32 >> It’s kind of like um
00:16:36 I’m an actor
00:16:38 and when I take on a role
00:16:42 that’s a mode that I go into when I’m
00:16:45 playing that role.
00:16:50 I’m no longer Benjamin Sickls.
00:16:54 I am whatever the character is when I’m
00:16:58 playing in that role. I’m whatever the
00:17:01 I’m whoever the character is that that
00:17:04 that was written.
00:17:06 And it’s the same way with Y
00:17:11 when he is
00:17:13 except that you know you know and it’s
00:17:17 and it’s but it’s when you’re acting
00:17:20 there you are there
00:17:23 because not all the information is
00:17:25 provided by the role. You’re still
00:17:27 there.
00:17:30 And so you have you playing this role
00:17:34 just like the father just like yo
00:17:37 entered into humanity
00:17:40 took upon him the role of the son.
00:17:43 >> Oh you mean like mode modalism? Sorry.
00:17:46 Oh, and maybe I mean we won’t go over it
00:17:49 now, but uh Mosiah 15, I’ll put a link
00:17:52 to the recording on that one.
00:17:54 >> If you’re wondering and and just in case
00:17:56 you’re wondering, yes, he was praying to
00:17:58 himself.
00:18:00 >> Uh yes. And I I’ll tell you, I talk to
00:18:05 myself,
00:18:06 especially doing through hard things to
00:18:10 remember the plan that I made beforehand
00:18:14 to stay on it. Sometimes things are hard
00:18:17 and I’ll just tell you that that
00:18:20 atonement was hard and we I well there
00:18:23 there’s multiple that well the whole
00:18:26 part was hard. Okay. But we can talk
00:18:28 about the garden and um the cross some.
00:18:32 You’ll have to remind me in case I
00:18:33 forget, but yes.
00:18:36 Um so, uh if
00:18:43 Elohim was a different person than
00:18:47 Yahweh,
00:18:50 uh Elohim would be the head. And it
00:18:55 has to be the head that does it
00:18:59 according to Torah. And
00:19:02 >> Yahweh does things according to his
00:19:05 word.
00:19:06 >> Yes. It’s always a He always acts.
00:19:11 The reason why it’s in his word is
00:19:13 because he’s using his word to reveal
00:19:15 himself.
00:19:16 >> Yes.
00:19:20 How do we get to know somebody?
00:19:23 We see what they do and we see what they
00:19:26 say.
00:19:29 >> Yeah. And and you a and when you know
00:19:33 someone, you have a pretty good idea
00:19:35 what they’ll do in a particular
00:19:37 circumstance.
00:19:38 >> Correct.
00:19:39 >> And and sadly, some people try to use
00:19:41 that against you instead of for you. Um,
00:19:44 but I I’m only bringing that out to
00:19:46 bring out the to solidify that idea. You
00:19:50 know someone because you know how they
00:19:53 will behave.
00:19:55 >> Yes.
00:19:57 >> Yahweh
00:19:58 is or Yeshua is the perfect
00:20:02 personification
00:20:05 of Torah, which is what John 1 is
00:20:08 bringing out. Meaning
00:20:10 he did everything according to Torah.
00:20:13 Yeah.
00:20:13 >> Everything. Now, I do understand there’s
00:20:16 some controversial verses that those who
00:20:19 don’t actually understand Torah or study
00:20:22 it that they try to weaponize it against
00:20:25 Torah, but that only shows their
00:20:26 ignorance. I I I mean just a little hint
00:20:30 here. If you want to try to tell people
00:20:32 like me and my friends that Torah is
00:20:36 wrong, you should go learn it to tell us
00:20:38 how we’re actually wrong and not just
00:20:41 these silly statements you guys make
00:20:44 showing that you really don’t know what
00:20:45 it is.
00:20:46 >> Yeah.
00:20:47 >> Yeah.
00:20:47 >> If you want to defeat something, you
00:20:50 actually have to understand it.
00:20:53 >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:53 >> Which means that you actually have to
00:20:55 look at it from the lens that it might
00:20:57 be true.
00:20:59 >> Yes. Completely. Now I will tell you
00:21:02 partly because of I am where I am
00:21:06 because I did that trying to help
00:21:08 people.
00:21:10 I realized I was wrong before.
00:21:15 >> Okay.
00:21:17 And and now I’m on another mission to
00:21:19 help people see what is true. Of course,
00:21:21 I was doing it then, but I was wrong.
00:21:24 But I acknowledged it. Okay.
00:21:27 >> Yeah.
00:21:28 >> But
00:21:33 mercy is integral to Torah.
00:21:37 >> Amen.
00:21:38 >> And probably one of the most beautiful
00:21:42 examples of that is when Yeshua says,
00:21:44 “If you want to be forgiven, you need to
00:21:47 forgive.”
00:21:49 >> Amen.
00:21:50 Torah is about becoming.
00:21:56 >> And the atonement is about becoming.
00:22:02 >> It’s not about your past.
00:22:04 >> No.
00:22:05 >> Hell, if it was about my past, I’m going
00:22:07 to hell.
00:22:08 >> Yep.
00:22:09 >> Me, too.
00:22:10 >> Hell yeah.
00:22:11 >> As often as he says that, I’m going to
00:22:14 chime in and say if he’s going to hell,
00:22:17 I don’t know where I’m headed.
00:22:21 Well, Ben and I have had a slightly
00:22:23 different some different paths. Um, but
00:22:26 either way, one sin makes us go there.
00:22:29 So, it doesn’t really matter that the
00:22:30 degree. Okay.
00:22:32 >> Right. Right.
00:22:33 >> But yes, uh, Ben and I have been on
00:22:35 different paths before we came to Yeshua
00:22:39 and Torah. Um, so,
00:22:42 um, but we still love each other.
00:22:45 >> Absolutely. Um,
00:22:48 but I do think we both try to use what
00:22:51 we’ve learned along the way to help
00:22:52 bring out the truth, and that’s what
00:22:55 matters.
00:22:58 >> Now, if you on that point, I will say
00:23:01 this. If you try to deny that you’ve
00:23:04 ever sinned, you are a liar.
00:23:06 >> No. Yes. Absolutely.
00:23:09 >> Now, also,
00:23:12 Ben’s better at some of these verses.
00:23:14 It’s hard to have everything memorized,
00:23:15 but is it First John 3 that says we are
00:23:18 to walk as Yeshua walked? Is that the
00:23:20 right one?
00:23:21 >> Um,
00:23:22 I believe so.
00:23:25 >> Okay. Well, anyways, I I I’m not
00:23:27 prepared. I’m not too worried about
00:23:28 verses. We’re just kind of talking
00:23:29 today. Uh, but there is a verse that
00:23:33 talks about how if you say you know
00:23:37 Yeshua and you don’t walk as he walked.
00:23:39 Now, let me address that real quick.
00:23:43 Now, I I don’t think there’s any real
00:23:46 debate or valid debate out there that
00:23:51 Yeshua kept Torah. Okay.
00:23:55 So, first John, if that’s where it is,
00:23:58 forgive me if it’s the
00:24:00 >> first John chapter 2. Let me read it.
00:24:02 >> Oh, okay. It’s two, not three. Anyways,
00:24:04 okay. Go ahead and read it.
00:24:06 >> He that saith I know him and keepeth not
00:24:09 his commandments is a liar.
00:24:11 >> Oh, wait. What? a liar.
00:24:13 >> Yeah, a liar.
00:24:15 >> So, I think now I’m gonna add something
00:24:17 real quick if that’s okay, Ben. It’s
00:24:19 because if we are like him, we will know
00:24:23 him. If you’re not doing what he did,
00:24:26 you’re not like him. Thus, you can’t
00:24:29 know him.
00:24:30 >> And the next verse bears that out. But
00:24:33 who so keepeth his word?
00:24:36 >> Oh, wait. his Torah.
00:24:38 >> Yes, his Torah in him, in the person
00:24:41 who’s keeping the word is the love of
00:24:44 Elohim perfected. Now, I want to say
00:24:48 this also remember how Yeshua said that
00:24:51 if you love me, keep my commandments.
00:24:55 And also how Yeshua stated the way that
00:24:58 he wants to be loved is the define Torah
00:25:01 and the commentary of the prophets.
00:25:04 >> And here we go. Hereby we know that we
00:25:08 are in him that we keep his and it’s
00:25:12 that’s the colon in that verse connects
00:25:15 it to the keeping of the commandments
00:25:17 and his love being perfected in us.
00:25:20 >> Yeah. Now perfected goes along with
00:25:23 Yeshua is what I like to call sermon on
00:25:25 Torah but most people s sermon on the
00:25:27 mount says be ye therefore perfect.
00:25:31 perfect is actually points to Torah
00:25:34 because uh some of the proverbs, sorry,
00:25:38 I get those two mixed up at time.
00:25:39 They’re both very good. Uh states that
00:25:42 his law is perfect. Okay. And there’s
00:25:44 other ones I I can’t remember if I have
00:25:47 a page on that or not. If not, I need to
00:25:48 make one. But anyway,
00:25:49 >> I believe that’s uh Psalms 119, I
00:25:52 believe, is what you’re
00:25:53 >> Oh, that’s one of them. Yes. And that’s
00:25:55 a favorite of people. And that one’s all
00:25:57 about Torah. And I have a post on that
00:25:59 showing it with bliss. Right. And
00:26:02 kayaisms because I’m addicted to that
00:26:03 also. But that’s a good addiction. So
00:26:06 anyways,
00:26:06 >> here we have verse six is the key point
00:26:10 in all of this that we’ve just read. He
00:26:13 that saith he abideth in him, him being
00:26:17 Yeshua,
00:26:19 ought himself, himself being the person
00:26:22 who says that he abides in Yeshua, also
00:26:25 so to walk even as he Yeshua walked.
00:26:31 >> Yeah. And he walked Torah. Okay.
00:26:35 >> Amen.
00:26:36 Um
00:26:40 he
00:26:42 is the only one that can perform the
00:26:44 atonement for multiple reasons. I’ll
00:26:47 list a few
00:26:49 head. So back on modalism just or versus
00:26:54 LDS brigamite godhead. Um,
00:27:01 in the LDS view, Yeshua is subordant to
00:27:06 Elohim in their term. Okay.
00:27:10 Um,
00:27:11 not the head. That would disqualify
00:27:14 Yeshua from being able to perform the
00:27:16 atonement according to Torah, the word
00:27:19 in the five books of Moses. Okay.
00:27:22 Um,
00:27:25 two,
00:27:27 he is the only one
00:27:29 that has kept the test and has been
00:27:33 sanctified without sinning.
00:27:37 Now, here’s why that is important. Um,
00:27:43 for one, uh, babies in the womb that
00:27:45 have been murdered have not sinned.
00:27:48 Okay? thus perfor or it thus they have
00:27:52 not committed a sin
00:27:55 worthy of capital punishment. So whoever
00:27:57 is doing that is sinning. Okay.
00:28:00 >> Yes.
00:28:01 >> But
00:28:02 um although they have not sinned, they
00:28:06 have not been sanctified. Right?
00:28:08 >> To be sanctified shows that you’ve gone
00:28:12 through the test and you’ll do what
00:28:13 Yahweh wants you to do no matter
00:28:17 freaking what.
00:28:20 >> Or in other word to be more biblical
00:28:23 or scriptural endure to the end.
00:28:28 [Music]
00:28:29 >> Now I will say
00:28:32 sometimes it’s hard.
00:28:34 >> Oh yes. But I will add because of the
00:28:39 atonement,
00:28:41 it is more than worth it. In fact, even
00:28:46 Mosiah 2 through5, I don’t remember the
00:28:48 verse. I just know that’s the whole
00:28:49 lecture says um and I think it’s near
00:28:52 the end, so maybe four or five that once
00:28:55 you try to do something to give back to
00:28:58 your master aka uh Yahweh Yeshua Elohim,
00:29:04 he immediately blesses you. So, you’re
00:29:06 still in his debt.
00:29:08 >> Yes.
00:29:11 So, I I it’s worth it. It really is.
00:29:17 Now, when you first start down this
00:29:19 path, I will admit it’ll be harder than
00:29:22 later.
00:29:25 Just as starting something new is harder
00:29:29 than after you’ve done it a lot.
00:29:33 >> Yes.
00:29:34 >> If you want to start,
00:29:36 I’ll help you. My friends here will help
00:29:40 you.
00:29:41 >> Yes.
00:29:41 >> And the others that aren’t on tonight
00:29:44 will help you.
00:29:46 >> Amen.
00:29:46 >> And guess what? We’ll do it for free.
00:29:48 >> Absolutely. No charge.
00:29:51 >> I won’t even make you pay tithing.
00:29:55 >> Anyways, that’s another subject. Um,
00:29:58 partly joking, partly serious. But
00:30:00 anyways, uh, because that’s Yahweh. But
00:30:03 anyways, um
00:30:07 it is easier to break a twig
00:30:11 than I I know this is going to sound
00:30:12 funny, but I’m going to say a A
00:30:15 is actually a collection of sticks.
00:30:17 Okay.
00:30:19 Um and that’s how it’s used with a
00:30:20 Benadai when just before it gets burned.
00:30:23 It’s not a gay person. Anyways, um
00:30:28 I know it’s obvious there, but anyways.
00:30:31 Um, but it’s true. The principle is
00:30:33 true. When you’re together with others
00:30:36 like you, it’s harder to break you. And
00:30:40 and I think hopefully
00:30:45 the friends will
00:30:47 uh say that this group we all have
00:30:51 helped each other when it gets hard.
00:30:54 >> Yes,
00:30:54 >> we all we all help each other. Mhm.
00:30:58 >> It it you need to be with believers to
00:31:01 get strength and and not just ones
00:31:05 that’ll just
00:31:08 what’s the word I want? Um
00:31:10 >> not the ones
00:31:10 >> pacif Go ahead, Ben.
00:31:12 >> Ones that’ll make you feel good.
00:31:13 >> Yeah. Yeah. Or pacify you. You need ones
00:31:17 that truly love you and will tell you
00:31:19 when you’re wrong even though you don’t
00:31:21 want to hear it.
00:31:22 >> Yes.
00:31:24 That’s how you get back to the path and
00:31:27 stay on it. That’s how you get to become
00:31:30 like Yahweh. In fact, Yahweh states in
00:31:34 Psalms of Proverbs anyways, uh he
00:31:38 rebukes
00:31:39 rebukes
00:31:41 rebukes those who he loves.
00:31:46 >> Yeah. He doesn’t pacify them.
00:31:49 He doesn’t uh doesn’t say you poor
00:31:51 doesn’t tell them what great guys they
00:31:52 are.
00:31:53 >> You poor guy.
00:31:54 >> Well, he does that too, but not only
00:31:56 that, he rebukes also. Okay.
00:31:59 >> I mean, yeah, but that’s not the that’s
00:32:01 not the focus of what he
00:32:03 >> Yeah, I know. I’m just being technical.
00:32:04 >> It’s not the focus and the emphasis of
00:32:06 what he does with this. But if I mean,
00:32:08 if that’s what you’re looking for, um,
00:32:12 well,
00:32:14 sorry.
00:32:15 >> He does both because he does give us joy
00:32:17 and peace. He does give us joy and
00:32:19 peace, but that’s
00:32:20 >> if that’s the only thing you’re looking
00:32:22 for.
00:32:22 >> If that’s the only thing you’re looking
00:32:24 for, uh there’s plenty of worldly
00:32:27 teachers who are going to make you feel
00:32:30 at peace with where you are.
00:32:31 >> Yeah. Okay. So, on that that re I know
00:32:33 I’m sidetracking, but that reminds me of
00:32:35 the sacrament. There is a reason why
00:32:37 it’s bread then wine. Yeah. Not water,
00:32:40 wine.
00:32:43 Bread is the commandments.
00:32:46 wine is the joy and the atonement and
00:32:48 it’s living.
00:32:51 That’s why and it’s the vine. Anyways,
00:32:54 there I’m not going to go too much
00:32:55 there, but um
00:32:58 >> if if you
00:33:00 are happy not keeping the commandments,
00:33:04 guess what? That’s what you keep going
00:33:06 to be doing. If you learn the
00:33:08 commandments and you try to keep them
00:33:13 >> and then you get joy, guess what? You’re
00:33:16 going to keep
00:33:18 >> the commandments. That’s why the
00:33:20 commandments is before the joy and the
00:33:22 atonement. In fact, even before you’re
00:33:24 baptized, Mosiah 18 brings out how you
00:33:27 promised you and even even stronger than
00:33:30 prom is covenanted to keep his
00:33:33 commandments before you were baptized.
00:33:36 Mhm.
00:33:37 >> Sanctification is when that actually
00:33:39 happens. Justification is when he says,
00:33:42 “I see you have a broken heart and
00:33:45 contrite spirit.” Meaning attributes of
00:33:48 a repentant person who really wants to
00:33:50 do that.
00:33:51 >> Yes,
00:33:52 >> I I am blessing you because you have
00:33:55 that desire. But I he knows at least if
00:33:59 you’re anything like me
00:34:03 with my problems.
00:34:07 It has taken time to get where I’m at.
00:34:11 I’m still working on it and better I was
00:34:15 a while back ago. Uh I can close my
00:34:17 ears. My friends can say but anyways
00:34:19 that would
00:34:21 with the help of good friends great
00:34:23 things are possible. Yeah, great.
00:34:26 Because that was great things to get me
00:34:28 to be better. But
00:34:31 >> all joking aside, we we help each other.
00:34:34 Okay.
00:34:35 >> And I appreciate my friends and they
00:34:37 help keep me in line when sometimes I
00:34:40 forget things or get out of line, right?
00:34:42 So anyways, um but it’s within Torah,
00:34:48 within Yahweh’s ways,
00:34:51 >> our interactions, our interactions, and
00:34:53 I want to I want to bear witness to
00:34:56 this. Our interactions together are very
00:35:00 much within Torah
00:35:04 and and and I know I made us make
00:35:06 mistake even recently with John. He
00:35:10 reminded me. I quickly apologized and
00:35:13 did stuff to try to fix it.
00:35:15 >> Yeah. And we moved on quickly like
00:35:17 >> Yeah. Um I I I
00:35:20 Anyways, um I I still fall occasionally.
00:35:26 I’m sorry.
00:35:29 Um
00:35:29 >> you’re good.
00:35:32 >> No, I forgot my thought.
00:35:36 Anyways, um so I I’ll go back to
00:35:38 something else because I forgot the
00:35:40 other one. Now, um
00:35:42 now, um about because I think the main
00:35:46 point here is about how Yahweh is the
00:35:47 only one that has not sinned. Okay, if I
00:35:50 remember correctly. Um,
00:35:55 and the reason that’s important is
00:36:00 the consequence
00:36:03 of sin is death. Now, there’s the
00:36:07 physical death. It’s because of Adam.
00:36:10 And everyone in the family of Adam will
00:36:13 be resurrected if they want to or not.
00:36:15 Okay? I I know the Greek thought is that
00:36:17 you don’t want to be resurrected, but in
00:36:21 that’s just not an option. Okay? There’s
00:36:23 lots of scriptures for it. I’m not going
00:36:25 to get into that today. Uh but the other
00:36:28 one that is yours is spiritual death.
00:36:32 Okay?
00:36:37 >> Sadly,
00:36:39 I’ve done that.
00:36:47 A less mature me would say, “I’d want to
00:36:50 go back and redo my life.”
00:36:55 But
00:36:57 a mature me that has been forgiven by
00:37:00 Yahweh
00:37:01 or Yoshua,
00:37:04 I don’t need to.
00:37:06 >> Yeah.
00:37:09 I don’t need to.
00:37:15 He’s forgiven me and given me peace and
00:37:18 joy because he’s forgiven me.
00:37:23 And and the lectures on faith.
00:37:26 I I know it’s controversial.
00:37:28 I don’t care.
00:37:31 It is scripture and full of wisdom from
00:37:34 the Book of Mormon and the Bible and
00:37:36 Joseph Smith.
00:37:38 >> Amen.
00:37:39 >> It is full of much wisdom.
00:37:42 He is the prophet of the restoration. He
00:37:45 is the modernday Elijah.
00:37:48 >> Amen.
00:37:49 >> I I I I need to finish something on
00:37:52 this. I’m sidetracking again. I’m sorry.
00:37:55 But DNC1 bring specifically brings out
00:37:59 his mission. Okay. Specifically, I don’t
00:38:02 remember the verse. Go read it.
00:38:06 >> 14.
00:38:09 >> I think the one I watched later, but it
00:38:11 doesn’t matter. We I This is off the
00:38:13 cuff.
00:38:14 >> Go read it.
00:38:14 >> Go read it.
00:38:15 >> Um, but you go compare that to Malachi
00:38:19 and what Elijah is supposed to do.
00:38:22 That’s what Joseph Smith was told to do.
00:38:26 Joseph Smith is the modern day Elijah.
00:38:30 It’s in other places, too, but that’s
00:38:32 not the focus.
00:38:35 Um,
00:38:36 so back to the the subfocus right now on
00:38:41 this on the sins.
00:38:43 Yeshua is the only one that’s shown it’s
00:38:47 possible to not sin. Okay? Now, yes,
00:38:53 babies have not sinned. They are the
00:38:56 only ones that have and and children up
00:38:59 to Hebrew 8, which is Greek 7, which
00:39:02 actually goes along with studies that at
00:39:05 seven, Greek 7, which is what the world
00:39:07 thinks is seven, uh, their mind is
00:39:11 capable of understanding right and
00:39:13 wrong.
00:39:15 Baptism is about committing that you
00:39:18 will keep Yahweh’s law. And when you’re
00:39:21 capable of sinning, that is why Yeshua
00:39:23 had to be baptized. He was capable of
00:39:25 sinning. Moroni 8 brings that out. Okay.
00:39:30 Now, but back to my thing. Little
00:39:32 children have not sinned. They’re
00:39:34 covered. And they don’t have Torah given
00:39:39 to them fully. And and this is why or
00:39:42 Moroni 7 brings out all men or I’m going
00:39:46 to change that to all adults in modern
00:39:48 language
00:39:49 have
00:39:51 I think there is it the spirit or light
00:39:54 of Christ I can’t remember but it’s the
00:39:55 same thing. They’re both Torah
00:39:58 >> the law of God
00:39:59 >> or in and I will add unrefined way and
00:40:03 that’s a whole another subject I can get
00:40:05 into but I’ll just leave it at that. If
00:40:07 you want more come ask me. It’s inside
00:40:10 you.
00:40:11 >> Yes, it is inside you because he gives
00:40:13 it to you. He gives it to everybody.
00:40:15 Sorry. Go ahead, Ben.
00:40:16 >> You know what’s right. You know what’s
00:40:18 wrong.
00:40:18 >> Yeah. And and and proof of that, you
00:40:20 hate it when other people do what’s
00:40:22 wrong to you, but you have reasons why
00:40:25 you can do it yourself.
00:40:28 >> Oh, that’s called hypocrisy.
00:40:30 >> Uh yes, it is. You know what’s right.
00:40:32 You just don’t want to do what’s right.
00:40:35 >> Yeah. Um,
00:40:37 so all adults, main part here, sorry.
00:40:40 >> Back to the main part. Yep.
00:40:42 >> Um,
00:40:43 all adults know the basics of Torah.
00:40:46 Okay. The light of Christ or spirit of
00:40:48 Christ or I can’t remember the exact
00:40:50 phrase.
00:40:50 >> Light of Christ.
00:40:52 >> Okay. Light of Christ. And that makes
00:40:53 more sense, but anyways, that’s Moroni 7
00:40:56 something, whatever. Um, so it’s only
00:41:01 adults that have no excuse for sin.
00:41:03 Okay? Even in the DNC, it brings out how
00:41:06 there will be those who
00:41:10 don’t know the law, they’re going to get
00:41:13 celestial glory. It’ll be hard for them
00:41:14 at first, but then they’ll get used to
00:41:16 it. The ones that don’t know the law are
00:41:18 the ones that haven’t been given it to
00:41:19 them, which is aka adults or Oh, I I
00:41:23 think that came out right that children
00:41:25 who are not adults.
00:41:26 >> Children who are not adults.
00:41:28 >> Yeah. So, that that probably sounds
00:41:30 better saying it that way. Sorry, this
00:41:32 is on the spot. Um,
00:41:35 okay. But with that in mind, um,
00:41:38 although children haven’t sinned because
00:41:40 I just went over there, they haven’t
00:41:42 proven it’s possible either.
00:41:46 That’s why we need Yesua. He showed it’s
00:41:48 possible. And and to fact, uh, lectures
00:41:52 on faith brings out how in verse two or
00:41:56 lecture on faith 52, which is probably
00:41:58 the longest verse in scriptures.
00:42:01 brings out that Yeshua was tested
00:42:03 further than anyone is capable, which
00:42:07 goes along with the bleeding in the
00:42:10 garden and the cross. And that’s more
00:42:14 subjects to get into right now, I think,
00:42:16 because that definitely won’t make it
00:42:17 short. And this is not short already.
00:42:20 But I I have recordings about the law of
00:42:23 Moses. I mean, sorry, said wrong thing.
00:42:27 the red heer uh Passover and I have
00:42:31 various sprinklings about atonement
00:42:34 thing throughout even movie commentaries
00:42:36 right Ben.
00:42:37 >> Yes.
00:42:38 >> Yes.
00:42:39 >> Because those movies actually put images
00:42:42 that go with it if you understand the
00:42:43 imagery. Okay. Y
00:42:46 >> um
00:42:48 two want two my favorite movies probably
00:42:50 because I’m obsessed some I have become
00:42:53 somewhat obsessed with a subject of
00:42:55 second coming and mighty strong one to
00:42:58 help others be prepared okay but Ender
00:43:02 Game and 47 Ronin I have some stuff
00:43:07 there on the atonement among lots of
00:43:09 other subjects because there’s a lot
00:43:11 there right um oh and also King Arthur
00:43:15 is another good one because when he went
00:43:17 to
00:43:22 did they call it the bad lands I think
00:43:24 where he had to go through a test to
00:43:26 >> the sword. Um anyways that’s all
00:43:29 atonement there and it actually goes
00:43:31 along with day of atonement and and the
00:43:33 second goat that got cast out. But
00:43:36 anyways, uh and I have a recording on uh
00:43:40 Day of Atonement that shows both goats
00:43:42 point to Yeshua when you analyze um
00:43:46 and there’s other parts during the
00:43:48 ceremony that goes even with Joseph of
00:43:54 >> Joseph of Egypt.
00:43:56 >> No, the one that helped with the tomb,
00:44:00 >> Arythea. Yes, him. Um it’s there in the
00:44:04 ceremony. Okay,
00:44:06 >> wait, never mind. Biblical
00:44:07 >> or or where’s that red heer one?
00:44:09 Anyways, it might be both. I sorry, this
00:44:11 is off the cuff. Um, I I I
00:44:14 do better when I on specifics when I
00:44:17 have the text. It’s hard to remember
00:44:18 everything. I’ve generally focused on
00:44:21 understanding so that way when I read
00:44:22 the text, I can bring it up. Okay.
00:44:25 >> Yes.
00:44:26 >> I’m I’m sorry. I can’t remember
00:44:29 where everything is.
00:44:31 You want to talk to me? I’ll help you
00:44:32 find it.
00:44:34 Yes,
00:44:35 >> he is the only one that passed to the
00:44:38 point of resisting
00:44:42 even when got so much stress that modern
00:44:46 doctors admit
00:44:49 it’s
00:44:53 I can’t remember exact words but stress
00:44:55 severe stress
00:44:58 he bled from every pore because of that
00:45:01 to show it’s possible as brought out on
00:45:04 lectures on f lectures on faith 52.
00:45:08 >> Yes.
00:45:09 >> Yeah.
00:45:11 >> He’s the only one who did it now. He’s
00:45:14 the only one that can save us.
00:45:17 For quick reason, the consequence of sin
00:45:21 is death.
00:45:23 I don’t know about you, I’ve sinned.
00:45:27 >> So to pay the consequence of sin, I have
00:45:30 to be separated from Yahw.
00:45:34 And because I broke
00:45:37 Torah, I have no way to go back on my
00:45:40 own.
00:45:42 >> Yeah.
00:45:42 >> If I can’t go back myself, how in the
00:45:45 hell am I going to bring someone else
00:45:47 back?
00:45:51 >> Yeah.
00:45:54 >> I can’t. No.
00:45:57 In addition,
00:45:59 because of that fact,
00:46:02 Yeshua
00:46:03 is the only one that t could take our
00:46:07 sins upon him substitutationary.
00:46:10 And and when you go study, I I know the
00:46:12 Old Testament, especially Leviticus with
00:46:15 the ceremonies, is boring for most
00:46:17 people,
00:46:19 but I do think if you understand what
00:46:23 it’s trying to teach you, Yeshua and the
00:46:26 atonement, it’ll get more exciting and
00:46:29 more reason to read, which otherwise
00:46:33 sounds freaking boring.
00:46:35 >> Yeah.
00:46:38 And the part I want to bring out about
00:46:40 these things is part of those ceremonies
00:46:42 is taking the the priest puts his hand
00:46:46 on the animal and says the sins have
00:46:48 been transferred upon this animal. Now,
00:46:51 as Hebrew brings out
00:46:54 uh and
00:46:58 Elma,
00:47:03 >> oh, I’m forgetting the chapter.
00:47:05 >> Elma 13.
00:47:06 >> Is it Elma 13 that brings out the
00:47:08 sacrifices?
00:47:09 >> I think so.
00:47:10 >> Okay. If it uh I can’t remember right
00:47:14 now. Like I think it’s more 40. I I
00:47:16 don’t know. Anyways, I got to go go look
00:47:18 at my uh law of Moses page. Okay. Um it
00:47:21 brings out how that also along with
00:47:23 Hebrews brings out how
00:47:27 no animal sacrifice can do that. The
00:47:30 reason animal sacrifices happened and
00:47:32 will continue to happen because the
00:47:35 mighty strong one will bring those back.
00:47:37 Okay, is to remind us about the
00:47:41 atonement.
00:47:43 Um Mosiah 2 something I I love because
00:47:48 it brings out that um
00:47:53 King Benjamin taught his children the
00:47:55 language of the fathers when they were
00:47:57 adults. Okay. So were they speaking
00:48:01 gibberish until they were adults?
00:48:06 >> They were speaking Hebrew. And even um
00:48:10 Moroni in Mormon somewhere, one of the
00:48:13 later two chapters that he actually did
00:48:15 there brings out that they spoke Hebrew,
00:48:19 but they wrote and reformed Egyptian
00:48:21 because of space on the plates. Okay.
00:48:24 They spoke Hebrew.
00:48:27 >> Yes.
00:48:28 >> They didn’t speak gibberish until they
00:48:30 were an adults and then learn Hebrew. He
00:48:32 was talking about the symbolism
00:48:35 to get the depth so that they may become
00:48:37 men of understanding aka the depth.
00:48:40 Okay.
00:48:41 >> Yes. Yeah.
00:48:46 >> Those ceremonies
00:48:49 teach us about the atonement. And I
00:48:51 bring out one point, the transferring of
00:48:54 sins upon the animal, which is to remind
00:48:59 us
00:49:01 that our sins got placed upon him twice
00:49:06 in the garden.
00:49:08 Uh what is it? Uh DNC,
00:49:12 is it 19
00:49:16 that brings that out very explicitly?
00:49:18 Anyways, I I have a recording on it.
00:49:19 I’ve recorded on a lot of stuff um that
00:49:22 brings that out. Okay? Because otherwise
00:49:25 you’ll have to suffer because they don’t
00:49:27 get transferred because as
00:49:31 second Nephi 9 and Isaiah 53 among
00:49:34 others brings out the atonement only
00:49:36 goes gets applied to those atonement
00:49:39 different than resurrection. Okay. Both
00:49:41 needed different. Okay. though the
00:49:44 resurrection happened because Yeshua
00:49:46 performed the atonement which we’ll get
00:49:48 into in a minute. But they are two
00:49:50 different things. Okay?
00:49:55 It only those who accept Yeshua and his
00:49:59 offering will receive that gift. And uh
00:50:04 when
00:50:06 Abel was offering the lamb,
00:50:09 he was offering the lamb as in Yeshua.
00:50:16 That is what that represents
00:50:20 because
00:50:22 our offering is as minstal rags.
00:50:27 quoting Isaiah uh with not trying to cut
00:50:32 down the imagery as some tra translators
00:50:34 do. It is menstrual legs. Okay.
00:50:37 >> Yes.
00:50:39 >> They’re dirty with blood and blood goes
00:50:41 with sin. There’s the opposites. Now,
00:50:43 Yeshua blood is not sin and it saves us.
00:50:46 Okay. And it also has to do with life.
00:50:48 Yeshua gave his life. There there’s a
00:50:54 >> the imagery of the scriptures is
00:50:55 beautiful. it is.
00:50:59 >> I have a symbolism page to try to help
00:51:01 people get started. I also have
00:51:05 uh the movie commentaries which is
00:51:07 partly for me and partly for others
00:51:09 because I find it fascinating to help
00:51:11 people learn it. Okay.
00:51:14 >> Uh and I I I think
00:51:18 all of us here could say that they’re
00:51:20 starting to learn it. And Josh started
00:51:22 said it even the other day. He’s not
00:51:24 here tonight, right? He’s starting to
00:51:25 learn it.
00:51:26 >> Mhm.
00:51:27 >> I I I do try to teach it, but it’s not
00:51:30 like instant. It it it takes some time
00:51:32 and some thinking through things. It
00:51:35 does take Here’s one thing about this
00:51:38 path and about following the atonement
00:51:40 of Yeshua. It does take effort on our
00:51:45 part.
00:51:47 It does take a little bit of effort.
00:51:49 It’s not and we’re not saved because of
00:51:51 our effort.
00:51:54 We’re saved because of Yeshua, yes, but
00:51:57 it does take effort.
00:52:00 >> We’re rewarded for our works. Uh works
00:52:03 and effort go together.
00:52:05 >> We are saved by faith and faith is not
00:52:10 faith that does not put forth effort.
00:52:15 >> Well, as James says it, I’ll show you my
00:52:18 faith with my works. You can show your
00:52:20 faith without works, but it is dead as
00:52:24 in
00:52:25 >> you no longer have it because you’re
00:52:28 putting forth works.
00:52:30 >> It’s not faith. It just like a dead
00:52:33 person is not a person. It’s a corpse.
00:52:35 >> Yeah. Exactly. That’s what James is
00:52:38 saying. If you’re not doing works, you
00:52:40 lost your faith.
00:52:41 >> Yeah. Mhm.
00:52:43 >> I faith is uh trust in Yahweh’s word and
00:52:47 diligence in keeping his commandments,
00:52:49 which is his word, right? So,
00:52:51 >> yeah.
00:52:52 >> Anyways, oh, go ahead, Ben.
00:52:54 >> No, he’s uh nodding in a second.
00:52:56 >> Okay. So, because back to the point I
00:52:59 was on, uh because the consequence of
00:53:04 sin is death and spiritual death is
00:53:07 separation from Yahw forever.
00:53:11 >> Yes. So, the only way for me to pay for
00:53:15 someone else’s sins, including or or
00:53:17 mine, we’ll start with mine,
00:53:20 is to stay away from or uh I should say
00:53:24 be separated because stay away is a
00:53:26 little different in a nation, right? But
00:53:28 to be separated from Yahweh
00:53:32 forever.
00:53:35 Guess what? There is only one eternity.
00:53:42 Yeah.
00:53:43 >> So,
00:53:44 >> makes sense.
00:53:47 >> If it takes eternity to pay for my own
00:53:50 sins and there’s not a an additional
00:53:54 eternity,
00:53:58 how can I pay for anybody else else’s
00:54:00 than my than my own?
00:54:05 Well, you can’t.
00:54:07 >> Yeah,
00:54:08 you can’t.
00:54:12 So this is this is why it’s so important
00:54:17 to actually get in line with Yeshua.
00:54:22 >> Yeah. Come under his covering, his
00:54:24 protection.
00:54:25 >> Don’t worry about getting in line with
00:54:26 whoever you think is the Hebrews.
00:54:29 >> Yeah.
00:54:30 >> Yes.
00:54:32 >> Good point, Ben. Yes. There’s a lot of
00:54:35 pretenders in various areas, right? So
00:54:38 >> yeah. Get along. Get get in line with
00:54:40 Yeshua. He’s the only one who can save
00:54:43 you
00:54:47 cuz
00:54:48 he’s the only head
00:54:51 and he’s the only one that’s passed the
00:54:53 test without sinning.
00:54:55 >> Yeah.
00:55:02 >> And he’s the only one capable to. So
00:55:06 he broke the bands of death. The reason
00:55:10 he could do that and so on the cross.
00:55:16 So going with
00:55:19 the fact that
00:55:22 sin
00:55:24 consequence
00:55:26 is being separated from Yahweh. Yeshua
00:55:30 took my sin, your sin, our sins upon him
00:55:36 at the cross. And if
00:55:39 the consequence of sin is separation
00:55:42 from Yahw from his glory to be specific.
00:55:45 Okay.
00:55:46 >> Yes.
00:55:46 >> To to to kind of resolve the issue with
00:55:48 modalism. It’s his glory. Okay.
00:55:53 That’s why he said, “Why hast thou
00:55:55 forsaken me?”
00:55:58 because he took on that punishment
00:56:04 and even after that punishment
00:56:07 he still kept Torah and then said it is
00:56:11 finished. Now that’s a controversial
00:56:13 word. I do believe that points to the
00:56:15 law of Moses is finished. Okay,
00:56:19 which points to if you believe Elma
00:56:23 >> I forget the chapter anyways. I’d have
00:56:25 to find it. um to the atonement of
00:56:28 Yeshua.
00:56:29 >> Yeah. It points to the atonement of
00:56:31 Yeshua.
00:56:33 The atonement
00:56:36 has been paid. Okay. Finished. And this
00:56:39 also helps bring out how atonement and
00:56:43 resurrection although both necessary are
00:56:46 actually two different events. Okay. And
00:56:49 also why Paul says the law of Moses is
00:56:52 done at the cross
00:56:55 because resurrection is different. Both
00:56:58 needed two different things though the
00:57:01 atonement makes the resurrection
00:57:03 possible. Um a and so
00:57:08 here’s partly why the physical
00:57:10 resurrection and
00:57:13 eternal life aka uh being born again or
00:57:17 lots of terms for it
00:57:20 is possible because Yeshua took our sins
00:57:24 upon himself. Okay.
00:57:26 So he died because of that physically
00:57:30 and spiritually. Thus, why hast thou
00:57:32 forsaken me? And he went to the center
00:57:35 of the earth, which was par, which is
00:57:38 where paradise and hell is at. Okay.
00:57:42 Um, he went to paradise. I know first
00:57:45 Peter, I think, says prison, but go look
00:57:48 at the Greek behind it. this paradise
00:57:51 cuz otherwise it’s contradicting the one
00:57:53 at the cross with the um one of the with
00:57:58 the thief that uh repented which was
00:58:01 baptized before. But anyways,
00:58:06 but the reason he could break it cuz he
00:58:09 did die because he took upon him our
00:58:12 sins.
00:58:15 Yet
00:58:17 because he didn’t deserve it is why he
00:58:21 didn’t
00:58:23 have to keep it and thus could break it
00:58:26 because he didn’t deserve it.
00:58:29 >> And so when we go to judgment day,
00:58:33 we need to be like Abel and present the
00:58:36 lamb for our righteousness
00:58:41 because mine’s dirty rags. I don’t know
00:58:43 about yours. I know mine has been dirty
00:58:45 racks,
00:58:47 >> menstrual racks.
00:58:52 I need to present him now. He will only
00:58:56 allow it
00:58:58 if I’ve come under his covering because
00:59:01 it’s his household. He gets to decide
00:59:05 who gets to use him. It’s his
00:59:08 righteousness. So, he gets to decide
00:59:11 who’s allowed to use it. And it’s only
00:59:13 those that code to him with a desire
00:59:19 to start being like him, which is
00:59:22 another term for keeping Torah
00:59:26 because he is the perfect
00:59:27 personification of Torah. None of this
00:59:31 none of this is possible without him
00:59:35 being sinless.
00:59:38 in addition figuring it out himself
00:59:41 which is what Mosiah 15 brings out
00:59:44 modalism subject I’ll put a link because
00:59:47 he’s the head and because he figured out
00:59:49 he became the head the father and the
00:59:52 son and it says that in Mosiah 15 1-5 he
00:59:57 became
00:59:59 not they
01:00:00 him
01:00:03 they is plural him is singular meaning
01:00:08 modalism
01:00:11 and
01:00:14 on this atonement and modalism.
01:00:18 Modalism
01:00:20 is merciful cuz he’s like, I know you’re
01:00:23 going to make a mistake. I
01:00:27 I will fix it for you.
01:00:32 Just like a father in a good head
01:00:35 household will do. I will fix things,
01:00:38 but you then after this need to learn to
01:00:42 not do it again.
01:00:46 >> Where
01:00:48 LDS brigamite godhead vengeful.
01:00:53 I need someone to go pay this debt that
01:00:57 someone else made.
01:00:59 Now I
01:01:04 If you read the scriptures carefully,
01:01:06 it’s not paid.
01:01:09 It’s satisfied.
01:01:11 And I think uh one place that is in
01:01:13 second Nephi 9. Anyways, like I said, I
01:01:16 didn’t really prepare. It’s satisfied,
01:01:19 not paid.
01:01:20 >> Yeah.
01:01:21 >> Now, part of the reason is satisfied
01:01:24 because it’s about becoming
01:01:27 not who you were in the past. There are
01:01:30 issues to take care of this satisfying
01:01:33 but the becoming
01:01:36 is this you can be sanctified and even
01:01:39 uh the DNC section that we talked about
01:01:42 earlier about um being sanctified that I
01:01:46 still can’t remember the section on if
01:01:48 you want to say it again Ben.
01:01:51 >> Doctrine of covenant section 88 34 and
01:01:54 35.
01:01:54 >> There you go. Uh you’re sanctified by
01:01:58 Torah. Oh, I know it says law, but
01:01:59 that’s what the law is. The law is
01:02:01 Torah. Okay? Because otherwise, Yahweh
01:02:05 is a respector of person. A respector of
01:02:08 person is giving a different law to
01:02:10 different people.
01:02:12 >> It’s the same law. In fact, in uh
01:02:15 lectures on faith three or four, uh
01:02:18 Joseph Smith specifically says, “If
01:02:21 Yahweh is changing your law, it is
01:02:24 impossible.” Yeah, I’m going to say that
01:02:25 again. impossible for you to have faith
01:02:28 unto salvation
01:02:31 because you don’t know if he’s changed
01:02:32 his law that now you have to do
01:02:34 something different. It’s impossible.
01:02:40 >> So Yeshua is consistent.
01:02:44 So one thing I I’m I’m teaching mostly
01:02:48 Andrew, but I have taught a few others
01:02:50 some when I’m around them. a big key to
01:02:53 archery which has to do with um Torah
01:02:58 and repentance aka atonement. Okay.
01:03:03 Consistency, consistency, consistency.
01:03:08 Even if you don’t follow maybe some of
01:03:10 the some practices,
01:03:13 consistency is key. Now, follow best
01:03:15 practices for best results, hence best,
01:03:19 right? Anyways, um but consistency is
01:03:23 key.
01:03:25 The law is consistent throughout all
01:03:28 time. The New Translation and the Book
01:03:32 of Mormon
01:03:34 Elma 12 brings out how Adam kept Torah.
01:03:38 >> Yeah.
01:03:39 Book of Mormon
01:03:43 uh from the death which starts at uh 3rd
01:03:47 Nephi 8 if I remember correctly. Not
01:03:49 obvious there but later on after that it
01:03:52 is very obvious if you know Torah
01:03:56 they’re teaching Torah after Yeshua’s
01:03:58 death and resurrection and I have a
01:04:00 recording on that. I’ll put it in the
01:04:01 notes okay or the links.
01:04:06 Yahweh is consistent. Mhm.
01:04:08 >> He’s not a respector of persons because
01:04:10 otherwise how would you know what you
01:04:12 need to do? Well, and just on that,
01:04:16 just on that, I want to share my
01:04:18 experience of coming to Torah
01:04:22 that is I started off as a true blue
01:04:27 uh well, I started off as a brigamite
01:04:31 LDS
01:04:33 uh Mormon.
01:04:35 Um, and my journey towards
01:04:39 my journey towards the law started with
01:04:42 me in a place where I didn’t even know
01:04:44 that the law was still valid.
01:04:49 And I
01:04:51 um, but I was obsessed.
01:04:55 I was obsessed with seeing the face of
01:04:58 Yeshua,
01:05:02 to seeing him in person in the flesh.
01:05:06 And that’s one of the things that drew
01:05:08 me to um one of the things that drew me
01:05:10 to the doctrine of Christ people is they
01:05:14 have these stories
01:05:17 >> of seeing Yeshua in the flesh and I was
01:05:22 I was obsessed with that.
01:05:24 >> Well, and and when you first wake up,
01:05:27 you haven’t arisen and so you don’t
01:05:30 know. And so you when you hear these
01:05:32 things, you’re like, “Oh, I’ll go go see
01:05:34 if it’s true or not.” Right. I I’ve done
01:05:36 that.
01:05:37 >> Yeah. So I So I was obsessed with that
01:05:40 and I went and I let that guy I let that
01:05:45 principle guide me.
01:05:48 And because I let that principle guide
01:05:52 me
01:05:55 as I was reading the as I was reading
01:05:57 the scriptures, I came across examples
01:06:01 of people who had seen Yeshua in the
01:06:04 flesh and what they had been doing, how
01:06:06 they walked with God, how they um how
01:06:11 they were
01:06:16 how they lived their lives.
01:06:18 And I was like, “Well, what’s that
01:06:20 about?”
01:06:22 But I but I but I
01:06:28 I w I wanted so badly
01:06:31 that to have that experience
01:06:36 um that I
01:06:41 that I covenanted
01:06:43 with Yahoo to do whatever it took
01:06:48 to be worthy of that.
01:06:50 And I and and I repented of the sins
01:06:55 that I had committed up to that point.
01:07:00 And I received joy.
01:07:05 And shortly thereafter, I received the
01:07:07 baptism of fire
01:07:12 or or justification is another term.
01:07:14 August case
01:07:15 >> or or um mercy because mercy grace but
01:07:19 anyways lots of names right
01:07:21 >> or saved
01:07:23 if you’re a Baptist right anyway
01:07:26 >> I was yes I was saved
01:07:30 >> and uh
01:07:36 I was I still hadn’t seen him face to
01:07:38 face except
01:07:40 in a vision which I will tell you about
01:07:45 if you ask me in person or on a Zoom
01:07:47 call.
01:07:49 Um
01:07:53 but
01:07:55 that and so I was so I was on my knees
01:07:59 daily asking what do you need me to do
01:08:03 that I may see your face.
01:08:08 I wish to have the gift of knowledge.
01:08:15 the word of knowledge
01:08:18 and I received
01:08:21 very clearly
01:08:24 audibly
01:08:31 read my study my law
01:08:36 my law
01:08:38 and teach other people to do the Okay.
01:08:42 And you will see my face.
01:08:53 And from that day to this, though I’ve
01:08:55 lost fellowships,
01:08:58 I’ve lost friendships,
01:09:01 I have kept
01:09:03 that admission
01:09:07 to the best of my ability and to the
01:09:09 best of my knowledge.
01:09:13 And that knowledge increases, brothers
01:09:15 and sisters, as you keep it and as you
01:09:19 study it and as you teach it,
01:09:25 that knowledge increases. And I have no
01:09:27 doubt
01:09:32 that someday
01:09:36 I will see him
01:09:40 looking back at me in the mirror.
01:09:46 because his image has been engraved upon
01:09:48 my countenance.
01:09:49 [Music]
01:09:53 >> Because I have walked in his footsteps.
01:09:57 >> So I I can I add something real quick?
01:10:00 >> Yeah.
01:10:02 >> Image flesh is behavior. Thus you will
01:10:07 see me because you will be like me or
01:10:11 recognize me because you will be like
01:10:13 me.
01:10:14 >> Yeah.
01:10:14 >> And that goes back to Genesis with the
01:10:17 flesh and image. But anyways,
01:10:20 I just wanted to make that clear for
01:10:24 some people. So
01:10:25 >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. because that’s it’s um
01:10:30 we a lot of time a lot of people are
01:10:32 looking to literally suddenly become
01:10:35 look alikes for Yeshua but um
01:10:38 >> that’s not what it is
01:10:39 >> not what that’s saying
01:10:41 >> it’s behavior
01:10:43 >> it’s I but I know that I will see him in
01:10:48 my flesh
01:10:51 >> as Job said
01:10:54 and I know it too as Ben
01:10:58 Um, and it’s possible because of two
01:11:01 things, the atonement and the law. And
01:11:06 and he said also go teach it now for my
01:11:10 mission. I I’ll grab it cuz I do have it
01:11:12 here.
01:11:19 I I love this thing. Anyways, I got this
01:11:23 sickle on my mission for a dime.
01:11:26 Now, I
01:11:28 this is crazy. For as much as I try to
01:11:31 figure things out,
01:11:33 it wasn’t until just recently I figured
01:11:35 out the dime
01:11:39 >> pen Torah,
01:11:42 learn his ways
01:11:45 and then go teach it, which is the
01:11:47 reaping with the sickle.
01:11:52 >> Okay.
01:11:53 Um, and you’ll see that throughout the
01:11:56 DNC, especially the early ones, not said
01:11:59 that way, a dime to go buy a sickle.
01:12:04 >> You’ll see other ways as in learn my
01:12:06 law, then go teach. Right.
01:12:09 >> Yes.
01:12:10 >> But I paid a dime to then go get my
01:12:15 sickle,
01:12:18 which today I would say I’ve learned
01:12:20 Torah, so I can go out and teach it.
01:12:22 Yeah. Yeah. Amen.
01:12:26 It
01:12:28 >> Torah tells us who Yeshua is.
01:12:32 >> Yes.
01:12:34 >> And without this knowledge, you shall be
01:12:37 destroyed. Now
01:12:40 that that points to uh a more sure word
01:12:44 of prophecy, which is actually
01:12:45 sanctification, which is other words,
01:12:48 baptism of the Holy Spirit or baptism of
01:12:50 Torah. This is when you actually after
01:12:55 you’ve promised to do it. Yeshua says,
01:12:57 “I see your you actually want to start
01:13:00 working to do that.” This is now you
01:13:02 have actually done it. Sanctification,
01:13:05 uh, celestial glory. You’ve actually
01:13:08 done it.
01:13:09 >> Yeah. But that
01:13:11 >> all atonement now. Oh, sorry. Go ahead,
01:13:13 Ben.
01:13:13 >> I’m more sure your word of prophecy. I
01:13:15 actually have a post upon that about
01:13:18 about that section of scripture in first
01:13:20 Peter. Uh I believe it it’s either yeah
01:13:24 1 or 2 Peter chapter 2.
01:13:27 >> Okay. Uh well make sure you email that
01:13:30 to me tonight so I can put it in the
01:13:32 notes. Okay. Or links I mean um so
01:13:35 people can go see that. Um
01:13:39 it is both Torah,
01:13:42 Yeshua and the atonement and
01:13:44 resurrection. Okay. Now back to he broke
01:13:47 the bands of death because
01:13:51 he
01:13:53 took upon our sins. He had to die
01:13:56 physically and spiritually.
01:13:58 >> Indeed.
01:13:58 >> Okay.
01:14:00 >> And he did because he took on our sins.
01:14:03 Not because he sinned. Because he took
01:14:04 on our sins. Thus the substitution
01:14:08 that’s happening with those boring
01:14:10 verses
01:14:11 in Leviticus. But they’re not so boring
01:14:13 when you know what they point to.
01:14:16 >> Exactly.
01:14:18 >> They’re only boring
01:14:22 when you don’t realize.
01:14:25 >> Yeah. Most people don’t that ram that
01:14:29 that ram that lamb that goat
01:14:33 every single one of those is Yeshua.
01:14:37 >> Yeah. So, um I I I will show you my
01:14:41 current sacrament cup. I’m working on
01:14:43 doing another one to do some
01:14:44 improvements. But anyways, his name and
01:14:48 and the po Hebrew,
01:14:51 the blood,
01:14:53 the
01:14:56 red clay
01:15:00 to hold the blood
01:15:02 and the lamps. Now I Anyways, I’m going
01:15:05 to be adding other my next one’s going
01:15:07 to have all represent of all the
01:15:09 sacrifices.
01:15:11 Um, but that’s my sacrament cup where I
01:15:14 put in the blood of the vine, aka wine.
01:15:18 It rhymes. That’s why it’s that. No, I’m
01:15:19 just kidding.
01:15:20 >> Blood of the vine. That is the wine.
01:15:23 >> But it it’s
01:15:27 the fruit of the vine
01:15:30 because we are of the vine
01:15:33 >> and the fruit and the blood of the grape
01:15:36 which is the fruit of the vine is wine.
01:15:42 scriptures specifically state that
01:15:46 >> and it and I prefer bitter for the
01:15:49 sacrament um
01:15:52 because of the bitter cup that he had to
01:15:54 fill.
01:15:56 It was hard for him, but it’s worth it.
01:15:59 Just like how we’re supposed to become
01:16:01 like him and get rejected by the world.
01:16:03 Stop caring what the world thinks about
01:16:05 you.
01:16:10 If you get to the point where the
01:16:12 world’s okay with you,
01:16:16 it’s not bitter.
01:16:18 You’re not becoming you’re not being
01:16:20 like him who re the world rejected him.
01:16:23 Why in the hell would you want the world
01:16:25 to accept you? Yeah.
01:16:29 >> Stop caring all that.
01:16:33 it.
01:16:37 Although there’s peace, it is still
01:16:40 sometimes hard. Lectures on faith six
01:16:43 really brings out
01:16:45 the ancients could do
01:16:48 all their hard things which people today
01:16:50 will find unfathomable
01:16:54 because of the joy, the atonement that
01:16:56 Yeshua gave them.
01:17:02 It’s still available today.
01:17:06 It will take everything away, including
01:17:08 depression.
01:17:12 Things will still be hard. So, I guess I
01:17:14 maybe I misspoke a little bit. Not
01:17:16 everything. So, some things will still
01:17:18 be hard,
01:17:20 but it’s different.
01:17:24 It’s not dredging
01:17:27 anymore. The reason it’s different
01:17:31 is because you have hope.
01:17:33 >> Yes. Ether 12.
01:17:36 >> This is this is one of the this is one
01:17:38 of those things that I say that man who
01:17:42 walks in Yeshua’s footsteps, who
01:17:45 believes in the resurrection, has no
01:17:48 fear.
01:17:50 >> Yeah.
01:17:52 >> Because
01:17:54 >> death is not the end. And when you are
01:17:57 resurrected, you will receive a crown.
01:17:59 You have no fear.
01:18:01 Yeah. Because I
01:18:07 if I I haven’t seen it, but I do believe
01:18:11 this that if we could see the glory
01:18:18 of becoming like him, nothing else
01:18:22 matters.
01:18:24 >> Yeah. And and it’s not just glory. It’s
01:18:30 how things don’t get to you anymore.
01:18:34 >> Yes. Things need to get done and taken
01:18:36 care of.
01:18:39 It’s not drudgery anymore.
01:18:43 And um I I I’m
01:18:46 do this. Hopefully other people do it.
01:18:49 And I would say Mosaiah 2 through5
01:18:51 supports this. But everything I do, I
01:18:55 try to do it as if I’m doing it for him.
01:18:58 >> Yeah.
01:18:58 >> And guess what? It makes more It makes
01:19:00 it more joyous. And it also makes it so
01:19:02 I do a better job cuz would you dip your
01:19:04 God? I Okay, bad habit. I don’t like
01:19:07 that term God. I like Elohim. Um
01:19:12 the reason I don’t like that term is
01:19:15 first of all, Elohim means judge. And
01:19:18 that is putting off and using the
01:19:20 translation God
01:19:23 indirectly. And I see it all the time in
01:19:26 the arguments online. It brings in false
01:19:29 concepts from Greek gods. And and then
01:19:32 because of that idea that’s what’s being
01:19:35 presented unknowingly, there’s all these
01:19:38 arguments that if they knew what it
01:19:40 actually meant, they wouldn’t even exist
01:19:42 anymore. Those arguments.
01:19:45 I
01:19:46 >> Yeah.
01:19:48 Yeshua was a Hebrew.
01:19:50 He didn’t wear a Torah. I mean, not
01:19:53 Toga. Sorry. They start They both start
01:19:56 with T.
01:19:56 >> He lived in Torah.
01:19:58 >> He lived in Torah. That was a misspeak.
01:20:01 Spoke or whatever on my part.
01:20:03 >> He didn’t wear a toga.
01:20:07 >> Well, like every single artist depiction
01:20:11 of him showed. Well, in pretty much
01:20:14 every church, too, including the one I
01:20:16 grew up in.
01:20:18 >> Yeah. Everybody wants to Everybody wants
01:20:20 to Everybody wants to rub your nose and
01:20:22 to go wearing Jesus.
01:20:24 >> Go Matthew to Barry.
01:20:26 >> Okay.
01:20:27 And it’s interesting they’re taking the
01:20:29 Catholic
01:20:31 >> statue which they don’t believe in their
01:20:35 doctrines at least according to Joseph
01:20:36 Smith. But I have seen the
01:20:39 current so-called apostles
01:20:42 uh claim some same teachings but that’s
01:20:44 another subject. We’re not going to get
01:20:45 there there anyways. Okay. But on the
01:20:48 atonement. Okay. So,
01:20:52 I have a replica cuz just since I
01:20:54 brought up the statue, and this does
01:20:55 actually deal with the atonement, I um I
01:20:59 have a a replica of a rock from
01:21:02 Heartland where the Book of Mormon
01:21:03 happened. Okay. I don’t know if you can
01:21:07 >> Yeah, I can see it.
01:21:08 >> I can see it.
01:21:09 >> Can you see here the hand?
01:21:11 >> Yeah.
01:21:11 >> Yes.
01:21:12 >> And look, only one mark.
01:21:16 >> Yeah. at what in today we would call the
01:21:20 wrist. Uh but I do believe uh because
01:21:25 Hebrews are inclusive thinking. Uh my
01:21:29 best example is inclusive time versus
01:21:33 exclusive time. I I have a I have a page
01:21:37 on it. Go look at it. I’m not going to
01:21:39 get in the scriptures.
01:21:40 >> Also inclusive
01:21:42 body parts versus exclusive body parts.
01:21:45 >> Yes. Thank you, Ben. That’s what I was
01:21:46 getting at. Um, but to to get specific
01:21:49 to show it, see right here, that’s
01:21:52 including the this wrist is touched
01:21:56 included with the palm here. Okay? It’s
01:21:58 right next to it. It’s included.
01:22:01 Hence the palm in the scriptures, but
01:22:03 yet it’s right here. Okay?
01:22:06 Um,
01:22:09 >> also another one with the atonement that
01:22:12 I I’ve never seen anybody get right,
01:22:14 although it’s in Genesis, it’s not the
01:22:16 palm of the foot,
01:22:18 it’s the heel of the foot
01:22:24 >> that gets wounded because he crushed the
01:22:28 head of the snake. Satan snake is
01:22:31 symbolic of enemy. It’s not a literal
01:22:34 snake there.
01:22:37 They’re teaching concepts through
01:22:39 imagery.
01:22:42 It’s the enemy. He’s going to crush the
01:22:45 leader of the enemies. He’s going to
01:22:47 crush the head. Head is leaders.
01:22:52 >> And
01:22:52 >> he did that on the cross.
01:22:54 >> And snake has many symbolic
01:22:58 for many things. Uh one of those is
01:23:00 enemy.
01:23:01 >> Yeah. And another one on the opposite
01:23:03 side is wisdom. But yes, um
01:23:08 most if not all symbolism has things for
01:23:10 both sides. Okay.
01:23:14 Um and and and something so simple as a
01:23:19 statue.
01:23:23 >> No. Okay.
01:23:26 and getting it wrong actually I sadly
01:23:31 teaches things differently about the
01:23:33 atonement. Okay.
01:23:36 >> Um cuz the heel and the palm have
01:23:40 different meanings. And I’ll just leave
01:23:43 this one because I don’t want to get
01:23:44 into this one. But think about your walk
01:23:48 when you’re actually literally walking
01:23:50 and what the different parts do. Okay.
01:23:55 It is the heel
01:23:57 >> that strikes first.
01:23:59 >> That strikes first and also takes on the
01:24:01 blunt and makes it possible.
01:24:08 Without it, you wouldn’t want to walk.
01:24:11 Okay.
01:24:12 >> Um,
01:24:15 I’ll just leave it at that because I’ll
01:24:16 be honest, I don’t have that one
01:24:17 completely figured out, but start
01:24:20 thinking about it. Okay.
01:24:25 and and and guess what the mark
01:24:30 the the
01:24:34 we’re supposed to always be thinking and
01:24:37 always be doing.
01:24:39 Now, by the way,
01:24:41 >> that’s on the good side. By the way,
01:24:42 when the nail when a nail when uh when
01:24:46 your wrist gets punctured right here,
01:24:51 it renders your hand useless.
01:24:55 Yeah. And it’s also the most painful,
01:24:57 too. So, there’s many reasons to go
01:25:00 along with this. And Ben’s bringing out
01:25:02 the painful part. Um
01:25:08 u
01:25:10 but I’m bringing out another part now.
01:25:12 You go to the mark of the beast. Same
01:25:14 spots. Head and wrist.
01:25:19 >> Yeah.
01:25:20 >> There’s reasons to these things.
01:25:23 And it’s not just one off. It’s
01:25:25 consistent throughout the scriptures.
01:25:26 Both sides use the same things in
01:25:29 different ways.
01:25:32 >> The mark’s not on the palm. Anyways,
01:25:37 um no also I I mean the scriptures are
01:25:41 everywhere with the atonement the so
01:25:44 let’s take the crown that Yeshua had was
01:25:47 forced to wear with the thorns. Okay,
01:25:54 >> ram and the thicket.
01:25:56 >> Yes, it does point to the ram and the
01:25:57 thicket. The ram is Yeshua and on that
01:26:00 part his horns power were stuck in the
01:26:07 thicket showing
01:26:10 for Yeshua
01:26:12 to fully live Torah which is actually
01:26:15 the power of Elohim. I can show that
01:26:17 from scriptures Book of Mormon and Old
01:26:20 Testament.
01:26:23 That is the power.
01:26:25 The reason why is you don’t until you
01:26:28 become like that
01:26:30 nothing
01:26:32 will listen to you and the elements
01:26:35 those who have done it like including
01:26:37 Joseph Smith and the prophets of old
01:26:39 commanded the elements in fact Jacob
01:26:42 said even the trees will obey us. Now
01:26:46 trees I mean even the people will obey
01:26:50 us. Now look at Nephi. When Layman and
01:26:54 Limu would not listen to him when it was
01:26:56 time to build the boat because of the
01:26:59 power
01:27:01 through Nephi. Layman and Limu probably
01:27:05 some of the most stiff neckaked neck
01:27:07 naked. I got to make sure I say that
01:27:09 right. Not the other word.
01:27:10 >> Stiff necked.
01:27:11 >> Stiff necked
01:27:13 people.
01:27:16 They did what they were supposed to.
01:27:19 Now, maybe some that were even more
01:27:20 stiff because they fell before are the
01:27:22 demons.
01:27:24 They obeyed Joshua.
01:27:29 >> You want power,
01:27:32 real
01:27:33 power,
01:27:35 keep Torah
01:27:38 >> so you’ll have it. Because
01:27:41 >> you can’t have it unless you keep it.
01:27:43 And it will come through Yeshua will
01:27:45 give it to you when you become like him.
01:27:48 You know, I just had a thought as you
01:27:51 were talking about how about Yeshua
01:27:53 keeping Torah completely and I realized
01:27:58 that in order
01:28:01 in order for Ya
01:28:03 to keep Torah completely,
01:28:07 he had to take
01:28:10 upon him
01:28:13 responsibility
01:28:14 for those who would follow him.
01:28:16 >> Yeah. because he has to take
01:28:18 responsibility for those who are in his
01:28:20 household as Torah states
01:28:22 >> and that is what that was about.
01:28:27 >> Yeah. And you can even see this in civil
01:28:29 law.
01:28:31 >> You’re the father is responsible for his
01:28:35 children for the wrongs that they do.
01:28:39 Hence, that’s why he gets the bill.
01:28:41 >> Yes.
01:28:46 So I I I do think that that’s a really
01:28:49 incredibly potently powerful thing for
01:28:52 actually understanding the atonement
01:28:55 because everybody nobody everybody talks
01:28:58 about the atonement and they can say a
01:29:00 whole bunch of wonderful uh common
01:29:03 platitudes about the atonement
01:29:06 but there’s not a lot of people who
01:29:08 actually understand
01:29:10 the atonement because and the reason
01:29:12 that they do not understand the
01:29:14 atonement is because they do not
01:29:15 understand the Torah.
01:29:17 >> Yeah. I there as I was going back to
01:29:22 layman and lame’s uh bow which
01:29:25 represents Torah and the string which
01:29:27 represents the commandments.
01:29:30 They left those strings on. That’s how a
01:29:33 a bow lose its spring its um
01:29:39 electric h ah sorry
01:29:41 >> elasticity.
01:29:42 >> Yeah. Thank you. Um,
01:29:46 if that’s all you focus on,
01:29:49 it will wear you out.
01:29:51 >> Mhm.
01:29:52 >> And and here with this, this is another
01:29:54 example how there’s more to Torah than
01:29:58 just
01:30:00 the commandments.
01:30:02 >> It also has the atonement.
01:30:04 And I I do want to bring out because I
01:30:06 like this movie. Um, Ender Game uh has a
01:30:12 scene when they show about uh forget the
01:30:16 name of the guy that represents the sun,
01:30:18 but anyways, he’s the one that was
01:30:19 flying saved the world at the first
01:30:22 coming. Okay.
01:30:24 >> And they gave the same basic spill. And
01:30:28 you can tell Ender was
01:30:33 disappointed in the lack of
01:30:36 understanding
01:30:37 that he received
01:30:41 once he found out when he met the son in
01:30:45 an experience just like um Jacob getting
01:30:49 his name changed to Israel with that
01:30:51 wrestle.
01:30:53 He asked
01:30:56 how they atonement.
01:30:59 Now they use that word.
01:31:02 He wanted to know how it’s possible.
01:31:19 Sorry.
01:31:26 I I
01:31:28 I hope
01:31:31 with some of these thoughts, I know
01:31:32 they’re
01:31:34 not the best organized and a little
01:31:35 random,
01:31:39 but I do hope they help.
01:31:44 Learn imagery.
01:31:47 Learn about the sacrifices.
01:31:50 Learn his law. I
01:31:53 learn his law. Live his law. And for
01:31:55 God’s sake, enjoy yourself.
01:31:57 >> Yes.
01:31:59 Enjoy all the trees except for one. Sin.
01:32:04 >> Amen.
01:32:06 I I
01:32:10 say this name of Yeshua,
01:32:14 >> the Messiah. Amen. I I don’t know if
01:32:16 anybody else wants to add anything.
01:32:18 >> No, that was beautiful. Beautiful. That
01:32:20 was beautiful. Okay, I’m going to stop.