Scripture Study 2022-12-15

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The Father is the Son. A better translation of Elohim is Judge. Renewing of covenants. We covenant to morn with those who are morning. What is a Nazarene Mormon. All the laws in the New Testament are helping us understand the laws of the Old Testament more. The five wise virgins worship YHWH how He wants to be worshipped. Motivations for keeping the law. D&C 19 is saying I didn’t say it this way, but I did say it this way to prick peoples hearts more. The Holy Spirit / Ghost is the law / Torah. Talked about YHWH’s calendar. YHWH says the same thing to all people through all time. Modalism is what the scriptures teach about the Godhead. We must be sinless to perform miracles. We can be perfect as Yeshua commanded us to be. Name can and does mean character. Church government in Acts 15. Passages about staying with an unbelieving spouse. Looked at a quote from Brigham Young. There are two parts to divorce. Love and Respect is a good book on marriage based on the Bible. What is the baptism of Fire?

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00:00:02 so uh just kind of interestingly enough
00:00:05 on on that subject
00:00:07 oh uh we forgot to do a song do you guys
00:00:10 want to do a song or just since we’ve
00:00:13 already started we’re already going
00:00:15 we’re already going all right okay
00:00:18 so
00:00:21 just
00:00:23 so
00:00:27 um all my studies I came AC these ones
00:00:30 right
00:00:32 so here here is where they’re even even
00:00:35 in the DNC it’s bringing out how Yeshua
00:00:39 is Yahweh or Jehovah depending on you’re
00:00:42 G to say it and
00:00:44 Elohim which is interesting because in
00:00:46 the you know elas culture in the temple
00:00:50 Yahweh is Jesus and Elohim is God the
00:00:54 Father they’re not the same person even
00:00:56 though here and I Yeshua the Messiah
00:01:00 you’re Yahweh and you’re Elohim here’s
00:01:04 and here’s just two others that say
00:01:06 pretty much exact same thing just while
00:01:09 I was studying I’m like oh I’m gonna
00:01:10 save those because those are from the
00:01:13 DNC so anyways so the so the only one
00:01:17 for God the Eternal Father is
00:01:19 Elohim yeah so
00:01:23 Lord Lord can be from two Hebrew words
00:01:27 Yahweh or Anoni
00:01:30 um which an is actually the real lord
00:01:33 lorder case um and Yahweh is the Lord
00:01:38 uppercase but the Jews have this false
00:01:41 Regis that you couldn’t say it but in
00:01:44 the Tanakh they were saying as part of
00:01:45 their greetings to each other on a
00:01:47 regular daily
00:01:49 basis um and then God is Elohim which if
00:01:54 you really wanted to change translate
00:01:56 that into English I think judge is a
00:01:58 better translation than God God is
00:02:01 a in my honest opinion in my studies God
00:02:05 is a pagan concept put on upon a Hebrew
00:02:11 word that’s perverted it um fact in in
00:02:16 during The Exodus Yahweh said Moses you
00:02:19 are Elohim over
00:02:22 Pharaoh now a lot of English
00:02:24 translations will put that God Yahweh
00:02:28 made Moses a god over Pharaoh but that’s
00:02:31 not what he did he made Moses a judge
00:02:35 over
00:02:36 Pharaoh um in fact
00:02:40 it anyways I’m just I’m just trying
00:02:44 basically what I’m trying to do is keep
00:02:47 the rhythm of the
00:02:50 prayer and keep going forward that’s all
00:02:53 I was trying to do oh no no that’s fine
00:02:55 I don’t think there’s any I I I was in a
00:02:58 bishop and told you go do it again yeah
00:03:00 he wasn’t CR he wasn’t necessarily
00:03:02 criticizing all he was no it’s just um
00:03:06 to highlight yeah just do a little
00:03:11 Improvement next at least in my opinion
00:03:14 um but I’m not going to make a big deal
00:03:16 out of it but we go look at
00:03:20 it yeah let’s take a
00:03:26 look so o Elohim yeah eloh him the
00:03:30 Eternal Father father now you guys were
00:03:33 saying
00:03:35 uh there El or Yahweh
00:03:39 Elohim our Elohim yeah it says oh
00:03:44 Elohim okay the Eternal Father it’s just
00:03:48 the word I mean we don’t know absolutely
00:03:50 for sure with the Book of Mormon but it
00:03:52 follows the pattern of the new testament
00:03:56 old testament and that’s the word behind
00:03:58 that’s Elohim God
00:04:02 um th son Yeshua Messiah and I I have a
00:04:06 hard time saying the Hebrew word for
00:04:08 messiah so I
00:04:10 don’t worry about it it’s that glal
00:04:13 attack isn’t it yeah and then see here’s
00:04:16 oh God or oh
00:04:20 Elohim in fact I’ll tell you I don’t see
00:04:23 Yahweh in here at all just seing for
00:04:26 lord it’s not in the bread and it’s not
00:04:28 gonna be
00:04:30 right it’s not gonna be line either no
00:04:33 um that’s it’s a minor thing though
00:04:36 right but anyways now and basically all
00:04:39 I was doing is trying to maintain the
00:04:41 Rhythm and structure of the of the
00:04:43 prayer with the punctuation and what
00:04:45 have you uh sure sure um maybe one day
00:04:49 we should go kind of work on comparing
00:04:51 those because I’ve done some of the past
00:04:52 but I haven’t done a lot on it but oh
00:04:55 one thing we should probably bring up is
00:04:57 how they both talk about witnessing
00:05:00 right yeah yes yes because we started
00:05:03 talking about this yeah well we were
00:05:05 kind of fellowshipping and kind of
00:05:09 talking about it it’s just I I don’t
00:05:12 like to record the fellowship stuff
00:05:15 um but actually yeah but it would be a
00:05:19 good thing to record
00:05:21 though yeah well see we can do that so
00:05:26 um so I was just kind of going off how
00:05:29 there’s this
00:05:31 idea that
00:05:35 um that you renewing your baptism
00:05:39 Covenant at the sacrament I’m like
00:05:41 that’s kind of right and kind of not in
00:05:45 fact maybe we oh let me
00:05:49 actually um let’s go let’s do our basis
00:05:54 my favorite one for witnessing is mosiah
00:05:56 18 if you guys have others off top of
00:05:59 your head we can go look at those two I
00:06:01 just this is where I first saw
00:06:04 it
00:06:06 um so this is the one I know better oh
00:06:10 fact
00:06:11 actually let me get the Kindle version
00:06:13 up
00:06:15 um I I like that addition more durest
00:06:21 text
00:06:31 M just harder to go through
00:06:38 it I have to scroll through I can’t just
00:06:40 pick on the chapter that part’s a little
00:06:47 Annoying
00:06:50 um see it
00:06:54 takes yeah yeah I wish there was a
00:06:56 faster way
00:07:01 okay so I think
00:07:03 it’s 10 or
00:07:06 so uh well it looks like the other up
00:07:09 it’s on nine too so we’ll start with
00:07:10 nine or actually we’ll start with eight
00:07:12 because there’s this uh break right
00:07:15 here and it came to pass he said unto
00:07:18 them behold here are the Waters of
00:07:19 Mormon so in other words here’s the
00:07:23 Waters of Covenant because Mormon means
00:07:26 Covenant yeah for thus they were called
00:07:29 and now they your desires to come into
00:07:31 the fold of Elohim to be called his
00:07:34 people and are willing to Bear one
00:07:37 another’s burdens that they might be
00:07:39 light yet are you willing to mourn with
00:07:41 those that mourn
00:07:44 so this is interesting a lot of people
00:07:47 when people are sad what’s the first
00:07:49 thing they try to
00:07:51 do most people cheer them up cheer them
00:07:55 up but what’s it say here to do mourn
00:07:58 mourn
00:08:00 yeah which is uh it’s opposite what
00:08:04 pretty much everybody does even those
00:08:06 who well it’s and it’s well it’s and it
00:08:09 seems
00:08:10 counterintuitive to
00:08:12 us uh sure sure sure it it’s I think
00:08:16 part of it is uh false tradition that’s
00:08:18 so grained in us that we just don’t
00:08:20 really know what we’re doing yeah
00:08:22 because that’s what pretty much the
00:08:24 culture does is just try to make you
00:08:26 happy where I I hope I wouldn’t say I’m
00:08:29 perf at it I hope when someone comes
00:08:31 with me mourning I try to mourn with
00:08:33 them a little bit first and then help
00:08:36 them out and then Comfort um yeah I know
00:08:40 I need I know I need to improve with
00:08:42 that uh well it it comes with a practice
00:08:48 I wouldn’t say I’ve always done it
00:08:49 correctly but here it is in the
00:08:52 scriptures uh willing to mourn with
00:08:54 those that mourn comfort those stand in
00:08:56 needed comfort so after you mourn a
00:08:57 little bit then they’re starting to
00:08:59 ready get ready for
00:09:01 Comfort um fact
00:09:05 um from uh my old missionary days the
00:09:11 what do they call
00:09:13 it I I can’t remember but part of the
00:09:15 things to help people fill the spirit is
00:09:18 to let them know that you’re your friend
00:09:21 you are their friends and what not right
00:09:23 build relationships of trust yes yes brt
00:09:28 oh brt that’s what it is now that you
00:09:31 said I remember yeah it makes it sound
00:09:34 like a
00:09:35 sandwich PLT I never noticed
00:09:40 that I wonder why no one on my mission
00:09:42 bought that one
00:09:46 out oh yeah
00:09:48 oh I did I did I did I didn’t admit
00:09:53 everybody laugh yeah makes it sound like
00:09:56 a sandwich yeah that’s true but anyways
00:09:59 okay that’s the
00:10:02 subject um I I think part of morning is
00:10:05 showing that you care about them yeah
00:10:08 right and and and also
00:10:11 um eluting a book about marriage based
00:10:15 on the New Testament with my wife some
00:10:17 here and some there and they actually
00:10:19 kind of bring that out how
00:10:21 um a lot of times when wives are
00:10:24 mourning they don’t want so they don’t
00:10:27 just they don’t want the husband just to
00:10:29 give them them solutions they want a
00:10:31 listening ear and I think
00:10:36 kesley’s which is a lot to go with this
00:10:39 right here mourn with those that mourn I
00:10:41 would say um so anyways uh it’s
00:10:46 interesting I I mean as we read down it
00:10:48 you know talks about how we’re coming to
00:10:50 it’s a baptism is a witness
00:10:53 to that we’ve already made a comment to
00:10:55 keep all yahweh’s commandments but here
00:10:58 they’re bringing out
00:10:59 some important ones or at least that AB
00:11:02 benedi felt like were important at the
00:11:04 time right um probably because of things
00:11:08 that were going on at the time um is why
00:11:11 he brought out these
00:11:12 ones because in other places they bring
00:11:14 out other things um anyways s covert to
00:11:19 10 a witness of Elohim at all times and
00:11:23 in all
00:11:25 things
00:11:27 um so you sticking up for what is right
00:11:32 right in fact I think that goes along
00:11:34 with taking our name upon ourselves as
00:11:37 we’ve talked about taking taking his
00:11:39 name Upon Us yeah standing in standing
00:11:43 in his
00:11:43 authority right and showing what people
00:11:46 what witnessing to others how Yahweh
00:11:51 would be doing Yeshua would be doing it
00:11:52 just kind of oh yeah yeah they were
00:11:54 trying to they were trying to teach me a
00:11:56 lesson about Christmas and I taught them
00:11:58 about the high holiday this yeah yeah I
00:12:01 I I remember when I first started not
00:12:04 doing it I actually I used to when I
00:12:07 first started saying happy Hanukkah when
00:12:09 someone told me Happy Christmas I first
00:12:12 felt awkward then after a while you just
00:12:14 get kind of used to it and it’s like no
00:12:15 big deal um but I remember the first
00:12:18 year it I I even felt so awkward and not
00:12:21 even know what to
00:12:22 say then I’m for me well well for well
00:12:25 for me for me what to say has been given
00:12:28 to me because it’s uh we I had um
00:12:33 basically I’m to learn the law and to
00:12:36 teach I’m to learn to law learn the law
00:12:38 and to teach it and the high holidays
00:12:41 and uh also to teach people to observe
00:12:43 the high holidays so it’s like anybody
00:12:47 says Merry Christmas I’m like uh yeah
00:12:50 it’s just a little oh yeah happy
00:12:53 huk yeah I’ll say happy Hanukkah um
00:12:56 generally like the grocery store and out
00:12:57 in public I won’t start trying to preach
00:13:00 High holidays but maybe I should I don’t
00:13:02 know I just in the public they’re just
00:13:05 being polite so I just don’t get well
00:13:08 it’s for for us it was the situation was
00:13:11 in our home so it was perfect well
00:13:13 that’s a little different than at the
00:13:14 grocery store with friends I won’t do
00:13:16 that I no I won’t do that at the grocery
00:13:18 store at the grocery unless somebody
00:13:21 asks me a question about oh yeah if they
00:13:23 start asking I’m all happy to but out
00:13:25 there I’m not very like the Checker you
00:13:28 know saying
00:13:30 happy uh Christmas I’m not going to go
00:13:33 start preaching I’ll just say happy
00:13:34 Hanukkah
00:13:36 yeah I had an opportunity to teach
00:13:41 yesterday yeah in
00:13:44 Spanish the
00:13:46 law a little bit about the law and it
00:13:49 was
00:13:50 um it was an incredibly powerful
00:13:53 experience I felt given I felt I was
00:13:57 given what to say in the moment moment
00:13:59 and um was awesome
00:14:03 um basically they wanted to know exact
00:14:07 they wanted they’re like well what
00:14:10 religion are you and I’m like well
00:14:12 technically I’m a member of the Church
00:14:14 of Jesus Christ latterday Saints but I
00:14:16 kept it simple in Spanish I just said
00:14:19 I’m a
00:14:20 Mormon uh you know I don’t care what
00:14:24 greasy ha old man says about the name of
00:14:27 the church hey
00:14:29 I go by Nazarene
00:14:31 Mormon yeah I no I’m serious I do and
00:14:35 there’s a lot of meaning to it too but
00:14:37 not interrupt your story but if you want
00:14:40 go tell people that yeah yeah that’s a
00:14:43 great idea but I uh what yeah actually
00:14:47 but uh but basically I I told him look
00:14:51 God’s given us given us the Commandments
00:14:55 he’s given us those things in his
00:14:57 scriptures
00:14:59 and I pointed them to Matthew chapter uh
00:15:02 chapters
00:15:03 5-7 kind of you know if they wanted to
00:15:06 get if they understood the law at its
00:15:09 basic level where they could go to get
00:15:12 even more from the script then I told
00:15:16 them and also don’t forget to pray if
00:15:20 you have a
00:15:21 question you
00:15:23 know go to the Lord in prayer about it
00:15:27 and he will answer
00:15:31 after having first studied it out in the
00:15:32 law of course but
00:15:35 that’s first you see 8 n and 10 chapters
00:15:40 are pretty good for for that right
00:15:42 studying it out and then taking it to
00:15:44 yway don’t don’t just
00:15:47 pray yeah because if something is
00:15:50 clearly stated in the law and you didn’t
00:15:51 bother to study it
00:15:53 out right well but here’s the thing
00:15:56 these people weren’t members of the
00:15:57 Church of Jesus Christ Saints they
00:16:00 were they were of the Catholic faith and
00:16:04 they don’t think about sure sure cathol
00:16:07 Fai think about things the way we in I
00:16:09 think this is from Psalms but it’s in
00:16:11 multiple places yeah search Ponder pray
00:16:15 right right right it’s the same thing
00:16:17 basically the same thing that’s in the
00:16:19 in the DNC that I refer to
00:16:21 restorationist to yeah right but it’s
00:16:25 the same
00:16:26 thing same it’s just stated slightly
00:16:28 differently way right
00:16:31 yeah but that’s cool that you did that
00:16:34 um so on on maybe just if you want I’ll
00:16:38 talk a little bit about nazarine Mormon
00:16:39 what it means to me um yeah go for and
00:16:44 then we can go back to the baptism stuff
00:16:47 sorry no that’s fine I you I it’s I’m
00:16:50 glad that you feel comfortable sharing
00:16:53 um but so there’s a multiple meanings to
00:16:56 Nazarene yeah first
00:16:59 foremost Yeshua the
00:17:03 Nazarene right he was the Nazarene that
00:17:08 was prophesied of now here’s another
00:17:11 interesting little tidbit in the in the
00:17:15 Hebrew scriptures the Old Testament the
00:17:17 tanak that we have today there’s no such
00:17:20 prophecy but the New Testament says it’s
00:17:21 a fulfillment of
00:17:23 Prophecy yeah so I I have one answer for
00:17:26 that well actually I have two I have one
00:17:29 sure answer on that um it’s written in
00:17:34 the
00:17:35 stars uh that he shall be a nazarine and
00:17:39 if you want here’s my stars ma Roth
00:17:43 Resource page that gets into that
00:17:47 um I’m not as an expert in that as I
00:17:50 want to be it’s in one of my uh todos
00:17:52 that I work on some here and there um
00:17:54 but there’s a lot there and indeed
00:17:59 uh there’s disagreements there and some
00:18:02 anyways uh I have some good videos if
00:18:04 you just want to listen to things and
00:18:05 some books audio books too and some
00:18:08 physical books you can go look at and
00:18:10 there’s some more out there in fact when
00:18:12 I get back in the States I want to buy a
00:18:14 poster of it and put on my wall so I can
00:18:17 start learning it more but astronomy is
00:18:20 a perversion of the masero or the Hebrew
00:18:23 constellations and they have a lot of
00:18:26 Prophecy in them but anyways it’s in the
00:18:28 Stars
00:18:29 that he’ll be a
00:18:32 Nazarene um it’s not in the written
00:18:35 tanak that we have today and so those
00:18:38 people who say you know the Bible’s
00:18:41 complete oh yeah well where’s that
00:18:43 Prophecy from that because it in the New
00:18:45 Testament he states that yesu is filling
00:18:48 that prophecy that he shall be a
00:18:52 Nazarene yes that whole infallible word
00:18:56 of God thing yes uh yeah fact the New
00:19:00 Testament has more variations than there
00:19:02 are actually words in the New
00:19:05 Testament no um not including dispelling
00:19:09 variations there’s
00:19:11 like 300,000 if I remember off top my
00:19:14 head or
00:19:16 500,000 I can’t remember which number is
00:19:18 which but I I I think the 300,000 is
00:19:21 non-s spelling
00:19:23 variations um and then they complain
00:19:25 about the book of Morin having 3,000
00:19:27 yeah they haven’t
00:19:29 they haven’t done their homework
00:19:31 sorry um but I mean also the the
00:19:36 conditions are slightly different I
00:19:37 believe the New Testament I stud it okay
00:19:38 and I quote it in my post but anyways um
00:19:42 so back to
00:19:45 Nazar um Paul was a
00:19:48 Nazarene and he states that in the New
00:19:50 Testament in Acts that here
00:19:54 let’s uh I don’t have memorized where so
00:19:58 we’re going to go to my Resource page
00:20:02 because my my resource page has it
00:20:06 memorized you could say it that way
00:20:10 right being kind of
00:20:12 silly
00:20:14 um there are I remember there’s a a
00:20:17 phrase the faintest ink is the better
00:20:22 memory than the greatest mind or
00:20:24 something like that yes yes
00:20:29 um so let me go put this in the chat if
00:20:33 you want to go look I have a few things
00:20:35 here I need to add more but anyways
00:20:41 so Jesus of Nazareth and that which
00:20:45 spoken by called the Nazarene
00:20:48 anyways uh and so here’s
00:20:51 acts Paul was a ring leader of the
00:20:56 nazarin um
00:20:58 so the other thing about Nazar so uh
00:21:03 this is not the Nazarite vow so Nazarite
00:21:05 vow means you don’t partake anything of
00:21:09 the fruit of the vine grapes uh you
00:21:12 can’t eat a grape you can’t eat raisins
00:21:13 and you can’t have wine that’s why sorry
00:21:18 go ahead I don’t know if I could be a
00:21:19 Nazarene then because I love raisins too
00:21:22 much well no there’s a that’s what I’m
00:21:23 saying there’s a difference between the
00:21:25 sect and The Vow I’m kidding I’m kidding
00:21:29 they’re they’re both related because the
00:21:31 Nazarite vow is to show that you’re
00:21:33 going to be more dedicated to
00:21:36 God um and and
00:21:40 so the reason I believe in doing that
00:21:43 why you can’t partake of the fruit of
00:21:44 the vine is because you’re
00:21:46 making considered effort to go to Yahweh
00:21:50 yourself instead of going and going
00:21:54 through the body the church which is the
00:21:56 vine and so that’s why you’re not
00:21:57 supposed to partake of the vine while
00:22:00 you’re on the Nazar vow because you’re
00:22:04 dedicating yourself directly to God
00:22:06 rather than working with the body itself
00:22:10 yes and the
00:22:12 vine the branches off the vine which is
00:22:14 where the fruit comes off of is the body
00:22:18 the church so that’s how I make sense of
00:22:21 that symbolism from Torah but anyways
00:22:26 but the Nazarene means means dedicated
00:22:31 disciplined MH and so and then as we
00:22:35 went a little bit over here but I I have
00:22:37 a post that gets in more detail if you
00:22:39 want
00:22:41 um
00:22:45 it’s this
00:22:47 post
00:22:48 it it gets into more details
00:22:51 from The Book of Mormon how
00:22:55 Mormon means Covenant um um and there’s
00:23:01 even some LDS Scholars that admit that
00:23:04 um let’s see if we can find it real
00:23:08 quick no
00:23:13 no
00:23:14 oh okay
00:23:17 um
00:23:19 maybe oh there we go
00:23:23 here’s uh some quotes going off of that
00:23:27 so MOSI 8
00:23:29 te um which is one that we actually
00:23:31 started looking at and got
00:23:33 sidetracked um is where it gets it off
00:23:35 of and then Mormon kind of talks about
00:23:39 it later when he talks about his name
00:23:41 but oh so here’s an
00:23:43 article on no why from Book of Mormon
00:23:46 Central why did Mormon introduce himself
00:23:49 in
00:23:50 355 then here’s another one
00:23:54 in ancient am.org which I think that’s
00:23:58 from way May if I remember
00:24:00 correctly um then here’s another LDS
00:24:04 blogs.com
00:24:08 um the word Mormon from
00:24:11 encyclopedia they bring out how the word
00:24:14 Mormon means
00:24:16 Covenant so to me nazarine Mormon is a
00:24:20 dedicated disciple follower of
00:24:24 Yeshua keeping his Covenants
00:24:31 nazarine has double meaning to it Yeshua
00:24:34 because he’s he is the
00:24:36 Nazarene and nazarine means dedicated uh
00:24:40 disciplined and Mormon means
00:24:44 Covenant so anyways that’s what it means
00:24:47 to me um and then on top of that the
00:24:50 nazarine sect as we saw that Paul was a
00:24:54 ring leader of right it’s a mix between
00:25:00 Jews and Christians and so Nazarene kept
00:25:04 Torah before and after the resurrection
00:25:08 they believe Yeshua is the promised
00:25:09 Messiah but they did not keep the law of
00:25:12 Moses the daily performances and
00:25:15 ordinances you’ll never see anywhere in
00:25:18 the New Testament where the Paul or any
00:25:20 of the Apostles state that the law of
00:25:24 Moses the daily performance and
00:25:25 ordinances still need to be kept but the
00:25:27 other sacrif Aces still could in fact uh
00:25:31 speaking of Nazarene as we’re talking
00:25:32 about Paul did the Nazarite vow in the
00:25:36 books of
00:25:37 Acts and even paid for his and others
00:25:41 which included animal
00:25:43 sacrifice showing the animal sacrifice
00:25:45 is still valid among other examples from
00:25:48 the tan and things from Joseph Smith but
00:25:52 just from that in itself shows it but
00:25:55 when you know the difference between
00:25:57 Torah and a law of
00:26:00 Moses um it makes a lot of the writings
00:26:03 of Paul make more
00:26:05 sense uh because Paul actually States
00:26:07 the law was nailed at the cross that was
00:26:09 the law of Moses and that is when it was
00:26:12 done away with on the cross because
00:26:16 Yeshua fulfilled that um but
00:26:18 anyways um does that make sense
00:26:22 Kel yeah I’m just do you know why is it
00:26:25 that people say that animal sacrifice
00:26:28 are G are done away with uh
00:26:30 misunderstanding
00:26:32 Paul okay uh basically proof texting
00:26:36 Paul probably the person that’s
00:26:39 misquoted and twisted the most in the
00:26:42 whole world today is
00:26:45 Paul um because Paul did animal
00:26:49 sacrifice after the resurrection and
00:26:53 after his conversion his vision with uh
00:26:57 yesu Yahweh
00:26:59 um which then he disappeared for a
00:27:01 little bit and then came back and right
00:27:04 um he he did animal sacrifice and he
00:27:08 kept the feasts the best he could so um
00:27:14 mainly what that comes from is false
00:27:16 tradition of Christians trying to
00:27:19 justify I think
00:27:22 it originally happened because of
00:27:25 misunderstanding and then it just got
00:27:27 petu into more and more and
00:27:30 more um
00:27:32 because people say you don’t have to
00:27:34 keep the law of Torah but show me so
00:27:39 there’s a false tradition of 613 laws in
00:27:42 the Old Testament that’s a false
00:27:43 tradition you ask two rabbis you’ll get
00:27:46 three answers what those 613 are and
00:27:49 that’s just a number that they’re like
00:27:51 that goes with the cult I haven’t
00:27:53 figured out what the why they like that
00:27:54 number but even the way that they write
00:27:56 their I mean tither toits goes off of
00:28:00 that number
00:28:01 which which is oral law I I do mine
00:28:04 differently than the Orthodox Jews do
00:28:09 mine’s closer to kite
00:28:11 Jews um it’s basically simplification of
00:28:16 that where I just do a four braided one
00:28:18 four braided all the way down to to a
00:28:21 point and then I have fringes on top of
00:28:23 it um with one strand being blue where
00:28:27 the kites do that but then they have
00:28:29 these extra little ones coming off or
00:28:32 and it just seems like extra fancy
00:28:36 unneeded stuff but anyways
00:28:40 um I forget where I was going with
00:28:43 that other than just false Traditions oh
00:28:46 the 613 the laws um in but in the New
00:28:49 Testament someone has counted like 3,000
00:28:51 laws in the New Testament so it’s gone
00:28:54 from 613 being a burden which they’re
00:28:57 not when you go read psalms and David
00:29:00 they’re you know light and perfect and
00:29:02 wonderful to keep to the Christians
00:29:04 saying they’re a burden but then they
00:29:07 have two or three thousand laws in the
00:29:10 New
00:29:11 Testament but all of those two or three
00:29:15 thousand laws they’re based off of the
00:29:16 Old Testament laws and they’re not new
00:29:18 laws they’re just expounding the laws to
00:29:21 new people helping them keep it helping
00:29:24 them know how to keep it in their
00:29:26 situation which is
00:29:29 what happens in the Old Testament the
00:29:30 reason why people say there’s
00:29:32 613 Yahweh gave
00:29:35 10 and then the people broke the 10 so
00:29:38 instead of taking the 10 away Yeshua
00:29:41 expounded the 10 to help them understand
00:29:43 the 10 more deeply and more fully how he
00:29:46 wanted them to be
00:29:49 kept and then they did it again and they
00:29:51 did it again and as a good father as
00:29:54 good parents do they expound it to help
00:29:57 them understand it more
00:29:58 more but instead of people counting it
00:30:02 as helping them understand the 10 better
00:30:04 they count it as 63 which like I said
00:30:07 you ask different people you’ll get a
00:30:09 different list in fact even if you ask
00:30:11 the same person in the morning in the
00:30:13 afternoon you’re going to get a
00:30:14 different
00:30:15 list it it’s ridiculous um and you go
00:30:20 look at if you go look at the Orthodox
00:30:22 Pharisee traditions on some of them and
00:30:25 go read the text they get it from it
00:30:28 makes no
00:30:29 sense they’re just trying to get in my
00:30:33 honest opinion they’re putting a lot of
00:30:35 pagan Traditions into the
00:30:38 text which makes me think 613 is
00:30:41 actually a pagan number but I haven’t
00:30:43 figured that one out yeah what it
00:30:45 actually is but that’s a theory that I
00:30:48 have um
00:30:51 Theory but um in reality there’s two
00:30:58 that gets expanded to expounded to 10
00:31:02 and then expounded to whatever number
00:31:04 you want to apply to it because you’re
00:31:05 going to get different numbers from
00:31:06 different people but it’s really all
00:31:09 about how Yahweh wants us to love him
00:31:13 and to love
00:31:16 others in fact personally I see this in
00:31:21 the the 10 wise and 10 fullest
00:31:24 versions um
00:31:28 most people whether they believe in
00:31:30 Yahweh or not in general are pretty good
00:31:33 with everybody
00:31:36 right
00:31:38 um but I still believe that the fullest
00:31:42 virgins represent the church but I’m
00:31:45 just trying to make a a point to kind of
00:31:47 show partly why I believe the way I do
00:31:50 um but what is
00:31:53 uncommon is worshiping Yahweh his way
00:31:58 now when you go there’s two ways to
00:32:00 separate the Ten Commandments there’s 4X
00:32:03 six or 5×5 I’m on a 5×5 basis and when
00:32:09 you go 4X six it gets rid of a lot of
00:32:12 the depth that you can get when you go
00:32:13 five by five and we can get in that a
00:32:15 little bit I have a post on
00:32:17 that you’ve never heard me say that um
00:32:23 never uh let me go get it real quick and
00:32:25 I if you don’t if we don’t get to it you
00:32:27 can go look at it here I have that and a
00:32:29 few other things in it it’s my testimony
00:32:31 and blessings post um but anyways it
00:32:33 kind of gets into that the 5 by5 and
00:32:36 that’s what I believe so I believe the
00:32:39 five foolish virgins are the ones that
00:32:41 are just being good with
00:32:45 everybody but then they’re not
00:32:48 worshiping Yahweh the way that he is
00:32:50 stated to worship and the
00:32:53 five um oh my mind just went blank wise
00:32:57 version
00:32:58 are the ones that are worshiping him the
00:33:01 way that he wants to be woried hence the
00:33:03 5 by five the five and the five yeah
00:33:07 yeah in fact um it
00:33:10 even Ben got uh inspiration on
00:33:15 how the DNC 76 that maybe I’ll let him
00:33:19 take over a little
00:33:22 biten uh was it 76 or was it
00:33:25 76 well I I don’t know where he got but
00:33:27 it deals with 76 but it also deals with
00:33:29 88 too but I think goes with 76 more but
00:33:33 888 talks about 76 Su so that might have
00:33:36 been where he got it but
00:33:39 anyways yeah the are we talking about
00:33:42 the levels of the law or the yeah yeah
00:33:45 the the the re I I thought it was more
00:33:47 the Reas the reasons the reasons why the
00:33:49 reasons why we law or your motivation
00:33:53 might anyways is your
00:33:56 motivation with your motivation with
00:33:58 regards to the
00:34:00 law is how the law will manifest in your
00:34:05 reward um and
00:34:09 so in your Eternal reward we have
00:34:12 Doctrine and Covenant section
00:34:22 88 which talks
00:34:25 about it start in verse
00:34:29 17 as it starts talking about the
00:34:31 various levels of law it says the
00:34:34 Redemption of the soul is through him
00:34:35 that quickeneth all things in whose
00:34:37 bosom is decreed that the poor and the
00:34:39 meek of the Earth shall inherit it
00:34:42 therefore it must needs be Sanctified
00:34:43 from all unrighteousness that it may be
00:34:46 prepared for the celestial glory for
00:34:48 after it hath fulfilled the measure of
00:34:50 its creation it shall be crowned with
00:34:52 Glory even in the presence of God the
00:34:54 Father the bodies who are of the
00:34:56 Celestial Kingdom May possess it forever
00:34:58 and ever for for this intent was it made
00:35:01 and created and for this intent were
00:35:03 they
00:35:04 Sanctified and they who are not
00:35:06 Sanctified through the law which I have
00:35:09 given unto you even the law of Christ
00:35:13 must inherit another kingdom even that
00:35:15 of a terrestrial Kingdom or that of a
00:35:17 Celestial Kingdom and he who is not able
00:35:19 to abide the law of a Celestial Kingdom
00:35:21 cannot Abide a Celestial glory and he
00:35:24 who cannot abide the law of a
00:35:25 terrestrial Kingdom cannot abide
00:35:27 terrestrial glory and he who cannot
00:35:29 abide the law of a testial kingdom
00:35:31 cannot Abide a testial glory therefore
00:35:34 he is not meat for a kingdom of Glory
00:35:36 therefore he must Abide a kingdom which
00:35:38 is not a kingdom of
00:35:41 glory and again verily I say unto you
00:35:44 the Earth abideth the law of the
00:35:45 Celestial Kingdom for it filth the
00:35:47 measure of its creation and
00:35:48 transgresseth not the law but to go back
00:35:51 in going back into verses 17 through um
00:35:56 where it’s talking about the various
00:35:59 um the various laws it’s actually the
00:36:01 same
00:36:02 [Music]
00:36:04 law the laws the
00:36:06 same it’s not there are not different
00:36:09 laws for different
00:36:10 degrees and and so you’ll hear a lot of
00:36:13 people um gites and do Christ ties and
00:36:18 Christians ites talk about how the a
00:36:21 higher law and a lower law there’s no
00:36:24 scripture that there’s no scripture that
00:36:27 actually justifies that there is just
00:36:29 the law so what is it that makes a
00:36:31 terrestrial law what is it that makes a
00:36:33 testial law what is it that makes a
00:36:35 Celestial law it is what we bring to the
00:36:38 law it is the attitude that we bring to
00:36:41 the law it is the it is our Broken
00:36:45 Heart the the degree to which our heart
00:36:47 is broken to the law I also think it as
00:36:51 to with your motivation are you doing it
00:36:53 yeah out of love for Yahweh and and yes
00:36:57 if well that’s that that to me falls
00:36:59 under what are you bringing to the law
00:37:02 sure sure I’m just maybe wording it a
00:37:04 little different yeah that’s right
00:37:06 that’s right um I’m wording a little
00:37:08 different that I I I think makes more
00:37:11 sense but I I completely am on the same
00:37:14 page as you but in fact I you taught
00:37:17 this to me and I believe it and I see it
00:37:19 in the scriptures after that yeah um I
00:37:22 I’m just wording a way that I feel more
00:37:24 comfortable with yeah know that’s fine
00:37:26 that’s fine um
00:37:28 and so yeah that and and so that’s and
00:37:31 so that’s where it’s at it’s what you
00:37:34 bring to the law are you doing this
00:37:36 because you love
00:37:37 y or the terestrial kingdom are you
00:37:41 doing it because you love your neighbor
00:37:44 right the
00:37:48 tself the testal kingdom are you afraid
00:37:50 of it because are you doing it because
00:37:52 you’re afraid of everlasting burnings
00:37:54 sure because you only love yourself
00:37:56 which me this goes along in the
00:37:59 statement of the New Testament from
00:38:00 Yeshua I love me where he gives a
00:38:03 summary what the law hangs upon right
00:38:07 yep the law and the prophets hang upon
00:38:11 and that it’s that you love Yahweh and
00:38:14 your neighbor as
00:38:16 yourself so although it’s talked about
00:38:19 two there’s actually three in there
00:38:22 right Yahweh your neighbor and yourself
00:38:27 yeah I always love I always love how he
00:38:30 talks about how that second commandment
00:38:34 is like unto the
00:38:37 first
00:38:42 yeah so one
00:38:45 law um is just your motivation for
00:38:49 keeping it the way yeah one one law
00:38:53 what’s your motivation is that is that a
00:38:56 self love is out of
00:38:59 love there is one that’s a stickler
00:39:02 because in the DNC it talks about a
00:39:04 carnal
00:39:05 law yes now we have a recording on this
00:39:08 so I can give it to you um but just in
00:39:11 summary for you real quick the carnal
00:39:13 law is the law of
00:39:19 Moses carinal has to do with
00:39:22 blood
00:39:24 um yeah it has to it matches when we
00:39:27 looked at looked into it in the
00:39:29 recording because it was a theory that I
00:39:32 had and it came up to the subject so I’m
00:39:35 like we looked at it together some we
00:39:37 were bereans together and it it fits it
00:39:41 it’s the law of Moses the carnal
00:39:43 Commandments um because jst Exodus
00:39:48 brings it out and one of the DNC
00:39:50 sections is
00:39:51 it one of the 80 sections brings out it
00:39:55 it out also was it 84 88 I I get those
00:39:59 two mixed up I don’t know
00:40:01 whys um but you can go watch that
00:40:04 recording um it might be more at the end
00:40:07 or middle sorry I don’t have time
00:40:10 stamps that’s okay just just played it
00:40:15 too oh I need be more quiet I need to be
00:40:17 more quiet um I when I do summaries for
00:40:22 these things I I I watch it at two and a
00:40:25 half yeah um but hopefully
00:40:31 you there is no scripture that talks
00:40:33 about a higher law and a lower law yeah
00:40:36 that makes sense you know I do
00:40:38 personally struggle sometimes I’ve
00:40:40 noticed that there are times that I feel
00:40:43 like I’m trying to follow or change for
00:40:46 my own benefit you know I mean how do
00:40:48 you get to the point where you are doing
00:40:51 it for him more than yourself you know
00:40:58 like do you feel like it for you
00:41:02 or well
00:41:05 it’s a change of heart I I don’t really
00:41:09 have a good answer for you um I I it’s a
00:41:13 process yeah I everybody begins
00:41:16 everybody everybody begins by obeying
00:41:18 out of
00:41:19 self-interest okay in fact but we have
00:41:22 but we can pray and we can ask God to
00:41:25 lift our view I I
00:41:28 think the biggest thing and I don’t want
00:41:31 to sound negative on this but it’s
00:41:34 spiritual
00:41:35 maturity yeah okay um but at the same
00:41:43 time God has things in the scriptures in
00:41:46 fact uh dc19 if I remember and Elma 42
00:41:51 brings out
00:41:54 how and Elma 30 brings out
00:41:57 how as long as you’re starting on the
00:42:00 process even if it wasn’t for the best
00:42:03 reasons it’s still that good that you’re
00:42:05 doing it right um ammo 30 is probably
00:42:09 the best one that really brings that out
00:42:11 what I just
00:42:13 stated um I’mma 40 and what it DNC 19 if
00:42:17 I remember we looked at that
00:42:19 recently okay that we could look at that
00:42:22 I I had a thought since that recording
00:42:24 we can go back and look at it a little
00:42:25 more fact I just think it’s it’s just as
00:42:28 simple as and maybe there’s something
00:42:31 going on in the culture at the time that
00:42:33 I didn’t say it this way but I said it
00:42:36 this way that pretty much means the same
00:42:38 thing so why you worried about
00:42:40 it I think that’s the way to read that
00:42:42 verse and or that passage right I didn’t
00:42:46 say it this way I said it this way but
00:42:48 it means the same thing it’s
00:42:50 Eternal right it just yeah yeah oh yeah
00:42:54 we’re talking about n Doctrine covenants
00:42:56 19 yeah when Monica was on a couple
00:42:58 weeks ago yes where the one that people
00:43:02 cite to the verse that people Miss site
00:43:05 to state that uh the punishments of God
00:43:08 are not are not
00:43:11 neverend they that they will end right
00:43:14 but that’s not what it’s is saying it’s
00:43:15 just saying I didn’t say it this way I
00:43:18 said it this
00:43:19 way but they mean the same thing yeah
00:43:23 and it means we go look again but I was
00:43:25 just thinking about after
00:43:31 as we said we’re we we don’t prepare
00:43:33 anything here and so sometimes you’re
00:43:35 you’re giving us stuff that maybe we
00:43:36 haven’t put
00:43:38 the the most efficient or the most
00:43:40 thought into yet right and so I’m just
00:43:43 thinking hindsight from that
00:43:45 conversation from a couple weeks
00:43:47 ago the best way to restate uh here
00:43:51 let’s let’s go look at it was it DNC
00:43:53 Covenant 19 yeah since I’m since I’m
00:43:58 belaying Bing it did I say that right
00:44:01 Bing it belaboring it maybe that’s
00:44:06 um here it is here it is uh verse
00:44:11 starting in verse
00:44:14 seven okay wait sorry verse six starting
00:44:17 in verse six yeah I think it’s six
00:44:20 nevertheless I
00:44:23 yeah for well let’s see well let’s start
00:44:26 for context let’s go back up to the
00:44:28 beginning you want the very beginning
00:44:30 yeah okay you want to read it okay I am
00:44:33 Alpha and Omega Christ the lord yeah I
00:44:36 am he the beginning and the end the
00:44:38 Redeemer of the world I having
00:44:40 accomplished and finished the will of
00:44:42 him whose I am even the father
00:44:44 concerning me having done this that I
00:44:47 might subdue all things unto myself
00:44:50 retaining all power even to the
00:44:51 destroying of Satan and his works at the
00:44:53 end of the world the great the last
00:44:56 great day of judgment which I shall pass
00:44:59 upon the inhabitants thereof judging
00:45:01 every man according to his works and the
00:45:02 Deeds which he hath done and surely
00:45:05 every man must repent or suffer for I
00:45:08 God am
00:45:13 endless that’s okay so there it is
00:45:16 there’s the there’s the statement there
00:45:19 wherefore I revoke not the judgments
00:45:22 which I shall pass but W look at that
00:45:26 that really goes against how people
00:45:27 twist seven right yeah I revoke not I
00:45:32 revoke not the judgments which I shall
00:45:34 pass but woes shall go forth weeping
00:45:38 wailing and nashing of teeth yay to
00:45:40 those who are found on my left
00:45:44 hand nevertheless it is not written that
00:45:47 there shall be no end to this torment
00:45:49 but it is written endless torment so
00:45:51 real this is that statement of I didn’t
00:45:54 say it this way I said it this way right
00:45:56 right the left hand equals the goats too
00:45:59 is another way of saying it right or
00:46:02 yeah or the wicked it’s also also also
00:46:06 the scapegoat in the uh day of atonement
00:46:10 offering well I I we we’d have to get
00:46:14 into that one because that one right off
00:46:15 I would disagree because
00:46:17 the the Escape toe the escape goat
00:46:21 offering is a symbol of Yeshua so I
00:46:25 wouldn’t put that the left
00:46:27 yeah you’re right you’re right um but
00:46:29 anyways that that’s another conversation
00:46:33 but yeah I can see that but it is
00:46:37 endless Tor nevertheless is not written
00:46:39 that there shall be no end to this
00:46:40 torment but it is written endless
00:46:42 torment again written but is written as
00:46:45 endless so another way of stating this
00:46:48 is I didn’t say it this way or I didn’t
00:46:51 write it this way but I said it or wrote
00:46:54 wrote it this way
00:46:57 yep again written Eternal
00:47:01 damnation so the context before six and
00:47:05 the context after six pretty much
00:47:08 destroys how people are trying to twist
00:47:12 it therefore it is more expressed than
00:47:14 other scriptures that it might work upon
00:47:16 the hearts of the children of men
00:47:17 altogether for my name’s Glory so what
00:47:20 is it that brings his name Glory the
00:47:23 immortality and eternal life of man
00:47:26 therefore repentant therefore the words
00:47:29 Eternal damnation endless torment
00:47:32 they’re there
00:47:33 to to f to
00:47:37 actually their hearts God realiz God
00:47:39 realizes that we’re not we’re more
00:47:41 likely to to move out of fear than out
00:47:45 of desire for something some people yeah
00:47:48 the vast majority of people I would
00:47:51 agree with that part yeah vast majority
00:47:53 of people are more likely to move out of
00:47:56 fear
00:47:57 than out of desire for something these
00:48:01 are the two great these are the two
00:48:03 great
00:48:05 motivators um fear and desire U and most
00:48:10 PE more people are more people move out
00:48:13 of fear and so he
00:48:16 uses endless torment Eternal damnation
00:48:19 to get the even the fearful potentially
00:48:22 to
00:48:25 move so it’s not saying it’s not
00:48:28 endless it’s just saying I said it this
00:48:30 way instead of that way for a purpose
00:48:34 right because the purpose
00:48:37 is saying it this way picked people’s
00:48:40 hearts more so that’s why I said it this
00:48:43 way wherefore I will explain unto you
00:48:45 this mystery for it is me unto you to
00:48:48 know even as mine Apostles I speak unto
00:48:51 you that are chosen in this thing even
00:48:53 as one that you may enter into my rest
00:48:55 for Behold The Mystery of godliness how
00:48:57 great is it for behold I am endless the
00:49:00 punishment which is given from my hand
00:49:02 is endless punishment for Endless is my
00:49:04 name wherefore Eternal punishment is
00:49:07 God’s punishment endless punishment is
00:49:09 God’s punishment so look here right here
00:49:11 they’re just saying it two different
00:49:13 ways and now it’s not the way that they
00:49:15 said it wasn’t written there’s no end to
00:49:18 this torment but when there is no end
00:49:21 it’s what endless endless
00:49:25 [Music]
00:49:26 anyways but here um it actually kind of
00:49:30 brings out punishment is endless
00:49:34 and
00:49:37 um Glory or or reward is endless here
00:49:42 yeah so the yeah it’s according to the
00:49:45 law of
00:49:47 opposition where there is a punishment
00:49:50 there’s also a reward right and they’re
00:49:54 both endless
00:49:56 and second Nei 2 goes into that and so
00:50:00 does um Elma 42 we could go look at but
00:50:04 um it’s just more where you want to go
00:50:07 um because we originally were GNA do
00:50:09 mosa 18 we haven’t finished that
00:50:14 yet um well you guys can go where you
00:50:16 want to go I I appreciate you pointing
00:50:18 that out to me and I can read some of
00:50:19 these chapters on my own if that’s what
00:50:22 you’d rather so no I’m this is for the
00:50:25 people um for for you um this is to help
00:50:29 each other as in Rai 69 it’s not go off
00:50:33 of whatever the teacher wants the
00:50:36 teacher shouldn’t be telling people what
00:50:40 they want to hear the teacher should be
00:50:42 teaching what the people need or
00:50:45 want yeah um well let’s I guess look
00:50:49 into Elma 42
00:50:52 you okay ori2 whichever um well I like
00:50:57 Elma 42 more mainly because that’s where
00:51:00 I first saw it but I don’t know if Ben
00:51:03 might have a preference on second Nei 2
00:51:06 I I mean I love second Nei 2 but uh
00:51:08 let’s let’s look at Elma
00:51:10 42 I’ll do Elma 42 and Ben can do second
00:51:14 Nei too just going off
00:51:17 of references
00:51:20 um is sometimes we prefer the one where
00:51:23 we see it first because it it just tends
00:51:25 to have more meaning
00:51:27 to us when it’s the first place that we
00:51:29 see it
00:51:31 right um but I do believe Elma got it
00:51:33 for
00:51:34 Nephi well
00:51:37 yeah Nephi Nephi is some Prophet uh yeah
00:51:41 he Nephi saw a lot long before anything
00:51:45 happened uh and and my answer to that is
00:51:48 because he was righteous and uh had
00:51:51 Visions from
00:51:53 Yahweh um but yeah it’s amazing what can
00:51:56 happen when you actually keep the law oh
00:51:58 yeah well fact before we do Elma 42 we
00:52:01 should go to Elma
00:52:02 30 it shows how
00:52:06 um the different whether if you were
00:52:10 compelled or not compelled right because
00:52:12 I think that’s the word that Elma 32
00:52:14 uses is
00:52:16 compelled I should probably look see
00:52:18 this maybe I’m going to stop using the
00:52:20 Kindle here because it’s taking a while
00:52:22 to scroll so actually I think I’m going
00:52:24 to do that I prefer it but for stuff
00:52:26 like this this it’s just it’s taking too
00:52:29 much time too
00:52:31 cumbersome okay so here here it is now
00:52:34 the
00:52:36 32
00:52:38 um good okay so
00:52:42 32 looks like the first compelled is in
00:52:46 verse 13 yes that is correct um it says
00:52:51 now because you are compelled to be
00:52:52 humble blessed are ye for a man
00:52:54 sometimes if he is compelled to be
00:52:55 humble see
00:52:57 repentance now surely whosoever
00:53:00 repenteth shall find Mercy and he that
00:53:02 findeth mercy and endureth to the end
00:53:04 the same shall be saved and now as I
00:53:07 said unto you that because you were
00:53:08 compelled to be humble you were blessed
00:53:11 do you not suppose that they are more
00:53:13 blessed who truly humble themselves
00:53:15 because of the word yeah he that truly
00:53:17 humbleth himself and repenteth of his
00:53:19 sins and endureth to the end the same
00:53:21 shall be blessed yeah ye much more
00:53:23 blessed than they who are compelled to
00:53:25 be humble because of their exceeding
00:53:28 poverty therefore blessed are they who
00:53:31 humble themselves without being
00:53:33 compelled to be
00:53:34 humble or rather or rather in other
00:53:38 words blessed is he that believeth in
00:53:40 the word of God and is baptized without
00:53:43 stubbornness of heart Y without being
00:53:46 brought to know the word or even
00:53:48 compelled to know before they will
00:53:50 believe so um I I do think the majority
00:53:56 as going with what Ben was stating in
00:53:58 this instance were compelled in that
00:54:01 they weren’t able to go to the the
00:54:02 synagogue that they helped build right
00:54:05 with their which is not the greatest
00:54:07 reason for them to start learning the
00:54:09 truth but at least they started learning
00:54:12 the
00:54:12 truth but Elma goes on to say I do
00:54:15 believe some of
00:54:17 you so I and to me I take that as a
00:54:20 small portion or smaller portion
00:54:24 anyways uh would have believed either
00:54:27 way even without this condition so there
00:54:30 are some that need the
00:54:33 compelling and some that don’t but at
00:54:38 least you’re doing it and that’s what
00:54:39 matters the
00:54:40 most and that you keep doing it and
00:54:43 during to the end right because even if
00:54:44 those who aren’t compelled to do it stop
00:54:46 doing it and those who were compelled
00:54:49 keep doing it guess who’s blessed and
00:54:51 who is
00:54:53 cursed you’re muted
00:55:00 yeah those those who were compelled that
00:55:02 are keeping it they’re definitely yeah
00:55:05 so
00:55:07 the the what gets you started doesn’t
00:55:11 really it may matter some but in the
00:55:14 long term it doesn’t really matter that
00:55:17 much
00:55:20 okay right because as you continue it
00:55:24 you if fact
00:55:26 uh one thing I like about wine is a lot
00:55:28 of the symbolism that’s in it in fact um
00:55:32 the fermentation in fact Yeshua even
00:55:35 describes the church as three Mills
00:55:39 leaven and and and I believe that deals
00:55:42 with the three 2,000 years okay but the
00:55:48 big thing is he relates the church to
00:55:53 Le these things will f
00:55:56 in
00:55:58 you and change you just as L changes
00:56:02 what it becomes part
00:56:04 of okay and Leen is
00:56:08 living uh and it will keep doing it as
00:56:10 long as you keep feeding it just as in
00:56:13 going along with Elma 32 do you nourish
00:56:17 the word or or not I forget the other
00:56:20 phrase he uses off top my head but you
00:56:22 you it’s been a little while since I pr
00:56:24 it so I don’t remember the exactly but
00:56:26 you get the intent either you nourish it
00:56:29 or you don’t right if you nourish it
00:56:31 it’ll keep
00:56:32 growing just like the leaven will keep
00:56:34 working and changing you it um one time
00:56:39 and I’m going off of something okay here
00:56:42 it is here it is in the thing go ahead
00:56:45 behold as the tree Beth to grow you will
00:56:48 say let us nourish it with great care
00:56:49 that it may get root that it may grow up
00:56:51 and become bring forth fruit unto us and
00:56:53 now behold if you nourish it with much
00:56:55 care it will get root and grow up and
00:56:58 bring forth fruit but if you neglect the
00:57:00 tree and take no thought for its
00:57:03 nourishment behold it will not get any
00:57:06 root and when the sun Heat Of The Sun
00:57:08 cometh and Scorch it because it hath no
00:57:10 root it Withers away you pluck it up and
00:57:13 cast it out now this is not because the
00:57:16 seed was not good neither is it because
00:57:19 the fruit thereof would not be desirable
00:57:21 but it is because your ground is Barren
00:57:24 and he will not nourish the tree
00:57:26 therefore you cannot have the fruit
00:57:28 thereof and thus if ye will not nourish
00:57:30 the word looking forward with an eye of
00:57:32 Faith under the fruit thereof ye can
00:57:34 never pluck the fruit of the tree of
00:57:39 life but if he will nourish the word
00:57:42 they nourish the tree as it beginneth to
00:57:44 grow by your faith with great diligence
00:57:47 and with patience looking forward to the
00:57:51 fruit thereof it shall take root and
00:57:53 behold it shall be a tree springing up
00:57:56 to everlasting
00:57:58 life now in this context I do believe
00:58:01 looking forward to the fruit is looking
00:58:03 to eternal
00:58:05 life so the promise of this great
00:58:10 [Music]
00:58:13 joyous event in life
00:58:18 after ether 12 even kind of talks about
00:58:20 you know hope of a better world but
00:58:24 anyways um I do believe the fruit in
00:58:27 this case is talking about the
00:58:31 reward and I think
00:58:34 it could possibly talking about the
00:58:36 changing of the person but I do think as
00:58:40 in its the way my reading the text and
00:58:43 Ben can talk about his thoughts on it
00:58:46 it’s giving an encouragement for the
00:58:49 people to going forward and so I think
00:58:52 it’s more talking about the fruits of
00:58:56 after this life eternal life Heaven
00:58:59 Celestial Kingdom is what I believe that
00:59:01 fruit is talking about but in a lot of
00:59:03 other I also I also I also think that I
00:59:07 also think that this is uh I also when I
00:59:10 read this I read it as a uh blueprint
00:59:14 for how to receive the gifts for how to
00:59:16 be given the gifts of the Spirit for how
00:59:19 to be you know to lay hold of every good
00:59:22 gift is by nourishing that by nourishing
00:59:25 that seed which was planted and by
00:59:30 diligent faithful hard
00:59:35 work and Fa with faith being with faith
00:59:39 being the thing being the being the
00:59:41 hinge point the Hing pin it’s in faith
00:59:45 being defined as trusting God with
00:59:48 diligent
00:59:54 work so I just bring out how what I
00:59:57 think what fruit is pointing to in this
00:59:59 case because in other times fruit are
01:00:02 your
01:00:02 works right you have to take the context
01:00:05 into account of what’s going
01:00:07 on and and I will admit sometimes It’s
01:00:10 Tricky and sometimes it’s
01:00:12 easy well I think I think that I I think
01:00:16 that both are actually valid things
01:00:18 because if it says these these things
01:00:21 follow them that believe and and if we
01:00:25 and if we believe we shall have eternal
01:00:27 life so I
01:00:29 think one is something that keeps us
01:00:33 moving
01:00:34 forward each of these things move build
01:00:37 on each other moving forward towards the
01:00:41 perfect day as it were growing as it
01:00:45 were growing brighter and brighter um
01:00:47 which is again as you’ve often pointed
01:00:50 out that referenced the fact that the
01:00:53 new moon is
01:00:57 I need to finish that post but um yeah I
01:01:01 to me that’s something that Yahweh gave
01:01:03 me that but just to help combat the
01:01:06 false premises that the full moon is the
01:01:09 new moon right that would be darker to
01:01:12 darker the perfect day so Kesley um
01:01:16 Tabernacles represents the perfect day
01:01:19 because that’s when we’re living with
01:01:21 Yahweh right in Tabernacles is on the
01:01:24 15th of well starts on the 15th of the
01:01:27 moon
01:01:29 right with the dark conjunction that
01:01:31 means it’s a full moon but if you start
01:01:35 the new moon is a full moon that would
01:01:37 make it a dark moon and so that would
01:01:39 make the perfect
01:01:41 day dark instead of light anyways this
01:01:45 gets into some of the technicalities of
01:01:47 the calendar Wars that I’m some involved
01:01:51 in um so yeah but the point is
01:01:57 that all of these things are fruits
01:02:01 which help us to know that we’re on the
01:02:04 right path to Eternal on the right on
01:02:06 the right way to eternal
01:02:08 life the fruits the fruits of the spirit
01:02:11 are like those
01:02:14 um when you have an apple tree that
01:02:17 first and that first begins to give
01:02:19 fruit the fruits of the spirit are like
01:02:22 those fir are like those first
01:02:24 fruits um sometimes very
01:02:28 small very
01:02:32 sweet that is you then and then is you
01:02:35 and then as the tree continues to grow
01:02:37 and you get another season of
01:02:40 fruit that that
01:02:43 fruit that fruit’s that fruit’s like the
01:02:47 that fruit would be like eternal life
01:02:50 yeah
01:02:52 um
01:02:54 so new wine
01:02:56 is sweet
01:02:57 wine mature wine is bitter wine and
01:03:00 actually I prefer that it just the
01:03:03 bitter brings out more the whole range
01:03:06 of tastes actually but also of of life
01:03:12 um and when we first are born again
01:03:16 everything is sweet and that’s it’s
01:03:18 perfect it’s
01:03:20 natural but then that wears off
01:03:24 [Music]
01:03:26 um and if you don’t start learning
01:03:30 to appreciate the
01:03:33 bitter you’ll fall away and I think
01:03:36 that’s why the mature bitter wine is
01:03:39 actually the better wine is partly
01:03:42 because the imagery and the symbolism
01:03:44 that I see in it now that’s something
01:03:46 you have to go decide on yourself but um
01:03:50 also the atonement was a bitter cup not
01:03:53 a sweet cup y mhm and it’s interesting
01:03:57 that the atoma happened 9 months after
01:04:01 starting of the fermentation of the wine
01:04:05 it was mature n months
01:04:07 later
01:04:09 okay so oh syy isn’t there well nine
01:04:16 months earlier was
01:04:19 Pentecost uh which is when the law is
01:04:21 given and the grapes are Harvest and
01:04:23 starting to turn into wine which is acts
01:04:26 two right he’s bring actually bringing
01:04:28 out wine and talking he says they’re not
01:04:31 drunk with new wine and the reason he’s
01:04:34 saying he new is because that is the
01:04:35 season for new wine right
01:04:39 literally okay it’s nine months later
01:04:42 when it matures and is now bitter which
01:04:45 is when Yeshua did his thing okay so I’m
01:04:50 forewarning you it will get better but
01:04:53 if you go down the path
01:04:56 you’ll recognize how this bitterness
01:04:58 will actually help perfect you yeah well
01:05:03 just like it’s just like growing fruit
01:05:05 trees is not always easy and it’s not
01:05:08 always convenient you do have to work at
01:05:12 it yeah um yeah those those are two
01:05:16 things that I’ve really been praying for
01:05:18 and studying for is understanding what
01:05:21 my spiritual gifts are and receiving the
01:05:23 Holy Ghost because I don’t feel like
01:05:24 either of those happened yet in my life
01:05:28 follow the law yeah so here
01:05:31 here’s here’s an important post for me
01:05:34 that you should go read okay okay uh in
01:05:38 fact just to do Elma 42 I actually want
01:05:41 to read it from here just because I put
01:05:44 it aism
01:05:47 here but you want to know what the Holy
01:05:50 Ghost is it’s the
01:05:52 law oh it and I I show that a little bit
01:05:58 in my Holy Spirit Holy Ghost post uhhuh
01:06:03 um but I show it more here and I need to
01:06:06 even do more on the subject
01:06:09 um but
01:06:12 it this is these both are a very good
01:06:16 start um so here’s those links but one
01:06:20 thing we can do maybe just kind of help
01:06:21 with this real quick since it’s a
01:06:24 question that’s on your mind
01:06:27 um in the Book of Mormon and the DNC the
01:06:31 Holy Spirit ghost is an
01:06:35 it not a he okay
01:06:39 okay we can go through we could go
01:06:41 through all of second Nephi chapter 31
01:06:43 and you will never find the in 32 you
01:06:46 will never find the Holy Ghost
01:06:47 referenced with personal pronoun
01:06:50 anywhere in the Book of Mormon or yeah
01:06:54 or the DNC that I find legitimate now
01:06:57 you’ll find it in DNC 130 but that’s not
01:06:59 a
01:07:00 revelation and that is from I think
01:07:03 William law is the Scribe of 130 Clon oh
01:07:08 Clayton anyways he’s still a bad guy
01:07:10 either way either way they’re either way
01:07:12 they’re suspicious well yeah well it’s
01:07:13 good to have the facts correct so thank
01:07:15 you Matt but um he has a big thing in
01:07:20 polygamy right and he was not the only
01:07:23 scribe with DN C130 in fact I I have a
01:07:26 couple resources here that get into
01:07:31 these uh that issue uh some people Rob
01:07:37 featherman I think I always forget is
01:07:39 Rob something right bothering him oh
01:07:43 yeah yeah and then there’s the iron Rod
01:07:46 they get into it um
01:07:49 so the multiple scribes disagree on
01:07:52 multiple points
01:07:53 including the Holy Ghost
01:07:56 the godhead just in general I mean the
01:07:58 godhead is a whole big subject
01:08:00 but the lectures on faith DNC except
01:08:04 130 Book of Mormon All State the Holy
01:08:07 Spirit ghost is an it not a he okay and
01:08:12 so this right here I don’t know if you
01:08:15 can see this but I’m happy to read it if
01:08:19 you can’t um but these are let’s see one
01:08:23 two three four by six verses in the Book
01:08:28 of Mormon that it states the Holy Ghost
01:08:30 is an it not he in it because it’s a
01:08:36 concept if it was an actual person it
01:08:39 would be saying he or she right because
01:08:42 there’s some people that think the holy
01:08:44 spirit is a she
01:08:46 and and if you actually go ahead the
01:08:50 thing is is if the Holy Ghost is not the
01:08:53 law then we run into some serious
01:08:57 issues uh with the law
01:09:01 when because now we’re talking about the
01:09:04 Holy Ghost being in possession of you
01:09:07 and that’s not something that you’re
01:09:08 supposed to allow you’re not supposed to
01:09:10 yeah you’re not supposed to be possessed
01:09:12 you’re not supposed to be possessed by
01:09:15 spirits and so we have and so the holy
01:09:18 and so the Holy Ghost has to be
01:09:21 [Music]
01:09:22 um
01:09:24 some God does not operate against his
01:09:27 law right and you’re not supposed to be
01:09:30 possessed um so it’s not a person as
01:09:35 taught in pretty much everywhere
01:09:38 actually in Christianity in one form or
01:09:41 another in fact I my personal belief is
01:09:44 why briam young got that version of DNC
01:09:49 130 was to reinstitute the TR on
01:09:53 God uhhuh the Trinity is just a Tron
01:09:57 God the godhead is just another Tron
01:10:01 manifestation of the Tron God Pagan God
01:10:05 okay it goes back to um Nimrod and his
01:10:10 wife actually nimr who with his wife who
01:10:13 was his
01:10:15 mother yeah or was
01:10:19 sister I think this the sun was a
01:10:22 different name but this is where I don’t
01:10:23 have that memorized um son is tus yeah
01:10:27 so tus is became tus became the husband
01:10:31 of his mother not in right but anyways
01:10:35 um neither here and there but before we
01:10:39 wi uh yes
01:10:43 it’s but U it’s where a lot of pagan
01:10:47 Traditions actually come from but we
01:10:49 won’t get but we’ll focus on the Holy
01:10:51 Ghost um so I’ll read these verses real
01:10:54 quick oh I need to fix that that should
01:10:56 be Harden not
01:10:59 Darden anyways okay so at the end of
01:11:03 this post I have I think 16 terms that
01:11:07 the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit uses
01:11:10 it the same
01:11:11 way um I I anyways this was a good start
01:11:16 um and then I ran out of time because I
01:11:19 published it when I thought Pentecost
01:11:21 was okay Pentecost it actually was later
01:11:25 but this where I was
01:11:27 still uh learning some
01:11:30 things anyways because most people think
01:11:33 Pentecost is in the third Moon instead
01:11:35 of the end of the fourth Moon and that’s
01:11:37 a whole another can of worms but
01:11:40 anyways um but I’ll just read these 2
01:11:43 Nephi
01:11:44 332 but behold there are many that
01:11:47 Harden their hearts against the holy
01:11:49 spirit that it it have no place in them
01:11:55 wherefore they cast many things away
01:11:59 which are written and esteem as things
01:12:02 of not now as written which are written
01:12:06 and that that’s a big deal for me too
01:12:07 but we I won’t go s track onto that one
01:12:09 either what you were saying then well
01:12:12 I’m I’m just looking at this it hath no
01:12:15 place in them wherefore they cast out
01:12:17 cast many things away which are written
01:12:19 this is a Clear Connection clear
01:12:22 connection between the Holy Ghost and
01:12:23 the law right because what is written
01:12:26 the
01:12:29 law yeah now if they’re casting out the
01:12:32 Holy Spirit why aren’t they casting out
01:12:35 the entity instead of what is
01:12:38 written
01:12:40 yeah yeah if the holy spirit is an
01:12:42 actual spiritual
01:12:45 entity which it’s not and well if we get
01:12:49 time we can start reading all things to
01:12:52 do fact maybe you just need to read it
01:12:54 because it’s long
01:12:56 okay we can start it a little bit
01:13:00 but I’m very thorough on various points
01:13:04 and it’s was mainly expounding things
01:13:07 from secondi
01:13:09 33 Okay was it 33 or 32 sometimes I get
01:13:13 those 32 oh 32
01:13:16 um which expounding things that have to
01:13:18 do with the Holy Spirit Holy Ghost is
01:13:22 and I I just lay out a whole bunch out
01:13:26 okay um there’s more that can be done on
01:13:29 the subject but I mean all done with
01:13:33 reason and stuff because I’m right now
01:13:35 I’m working on another post that’s I’ve
01:13:37 been working on for a while anyways um
01:13:40 but yes Ben’s right this is a good verse
01:13:42 that brings out how the holy SP holy
01:13:45 spirit is written because it’s the law
01:13:48 because what’s written the
01:13:51 law versus the oral law the traditions
01:13:54 of men
01:13:56 there’s in fact what is it DNC 88
01:13:59 condemns part of the reason the church
01:14:02 is condemned
01:14:04 because um do Covenant section 84
01:14:09 oh8 let me look that up well I have it
01:14:13 here I I I get 84 and 88 mixed up okay
01:14:17 so 84 both great SE yeah that’s probably
01:14:20 why I get them mixed up and they’re both
01:14:22 in the eight 80s
01:14:26 just like mixing up names that start
01:14:27 with the same letter but they shall
01:14:29 remain under this condemnation until
01:14:31 they repent and remember the renewed
01:14:35 Covenant even the Book of Mormon which
01:14:37 actually teaches Torah and the former
01:14:39 Commandments Torah which I Elohim have
01:14:43 given them not only to say but to do you
01:14:47 know this goes along with you know their
01:14:50 lips are close to me but their hearts
01:14:52 are far from me right and there’s Act
01:14:55 something here that I use that I can use
01:14:58 to refute even those who would say who
01:15:01 would argue that this isn’t talking
01:15:03 about this isn’t talking about Torah and
01:15:06 I can show that it is talking about
01:15:08 Torah using their own argument their
01:15:11 argument is that it’s talking about the
01:15:12 earlier Revelations that were received
01:15:15 in this dispensation and so what I do
01:15:18 and so what I do then is I go to section
01:15:20 59 well hold on let me finish the phrase
01:15:23 because I know where you’re getting at
01:15:25 because you got it from me but I do
01:15:28 According to which I have written what
01:15:31 did God write but here I’ll show you
01:15:34 scriptures what he wrote Torah
01:15:39 yep uh the thing is they just these
01:15:42 people don’t know their scriptures well
01:15:45 enough
01:15:51 um
01:15:53 so uh I’m just going to search
01:15:56 written okay
01:15:59 oops Exodus 24 which I have written is
01:16:03 talking about
01:16:04 Torah Exodus 31 Stone tets was written
01:16:07 with the Finger of God oh wait that’s
01:16:09 that’s
01:16:11 Torah uh Deuteronomy 910 two tablets of
01:16:14 stone which is Torah which is all based
01:16:16 off like we talked about earlier
01:16:18 right um Torah oh wait a minute oh
01:16:22 here’s another one I I haven’t said
01:16:23 enough
01:16:25 God hasn’t made this clear enough
01:16:27 Deuteronomy 10 first writings The Ten
01:16:30 Commandments uh oh that’s not written by
01:16:32 the finger oh wait fire the lord gave
01:16:35 unto me so where did they come from
01:16:38 Yahweh so anyways so we’ll let Ben
01:16:41 finish his thought now okay doctrine of
01:16:44 Covenant section
01:16:47 59 uh talk this was a revelation that
01:16:51 was given prior to section 84
01:16:55 and it is the re a revelation wherein
01:16:59 the law is given one of the revelations
01:17:02 in which the law is given behold blessed
01:17:05 sayith the Lord are they who have come
01:17:07 up unto this land with an i single to my
01:17:09 glory according to my Commandments for
01:17:11 those that shall live that live shall
01:17:13 inherit the earth those that die shall
01:17:15 rest from all their labors and their
01:17:16 Works shall follow them and they shall
01:17:18 receive the crown and the Mansions of My
01:17:20 Father which I have prepared for them he
01:17:22 blessed are they whose feet stand upon
01:17:24 the land of Zion for they have obeyed
01:17:25 who who have obeyed my gospel for they
01:17:29 shall receive their reward the good
01:17:30 things of the earth and it shall bring
01:17:32 forth its strength and they shall be
01:17:33 crowned with blessings from above yay
01:17:36 and with Commandments not a few and with
01:17:37 revelations in their time they that are
01:17:39 faithful and diligent before me
01:17:41 wherefore I give unto them a commandment
01:17:43 saying thus okay now let’s get see what
01:17:46 he’s commanding Thou shalt love the Lord
01:17:48 thy God with all thy heart with all thy
01:17:50 might mind and strength and in the name
01:17:52 of Jesus Christ shalt Thou shalt serve
01:17:54 him he’s commanding them Torah yeah
01:17:56 that’s
01:17:57 Torah Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
01:18:00 thyself Thou shalt not steal neither
01:18:02 commit adultery nor kill nor do anything
01:18:04 like unto it that’s Torah yeah I I’ll
01:18:06 show you
01:18:08 where thou shalt thank the Lord thy God
01:18:10 in all things Torah the Torah Thou shalt
01:18:14 offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God
01:18:16 in righteousness even that of a broken
01:18:18 heart and contrite spirit
01:18:20 Torah
01:18:22 yeah people don’t study this though they
01:18:24 don’t know it’s Torah so like
01:18:26 Deuteronomy 65 Thou shalt love the Lord
01:18:28 thy God with all thine heart with all
01:18:29 thy soul and all th might oh wait that’s
01:18:31 what we just was quoting Torah
01:18:34 Deuteronomy 65 Love Thy Neighbor uh it’s
01:18:38 in lots of places but we’ll start with
01:18:39 the Torah ones Leviticus 19 Thou shalt
01:18:43 not avenge nor bear any grudge against
01:18:46 the children of thy people but Thou
01:18:47 shalt love thy neighbor as thyself I am
01:18:50 Yahweh Leviticus that’s Torah lus 193
01:18:54 four but the stranger that dwelleth with
01:18:56 you shall be unto you as one born among
01:19:00 you and thou shalt love him as thyself
01:19:03 For You Were Strangers in the land of
01:19:05 Egypt I am Yahweh you’re Elohim oh wait
01:19:08 that’s Torah and then Jacob
01:19:12 mosiah Elma five were all during Torah
01:19:16 times were I mean Old Testament times
01:19:19 right there’s no debate that’s Torah now
01:19:22 James and Dean see our new testament
01:19:26 times teaching Torah that’s why I said
01:19:30 you
01:19:30 [Music]
01:19:33 can’t find a law in the New Testament
01:19:36 that is not expounding upon the law in
01:19:40 to you
01:19:43 can’t I’ve challenged people they can’t
01:19:46 do it because it’s not
01:19:49 possible and that thou May more fully
01:19:51 keep thyself unspotted from the world
01:19:54 thou shalt go up and thou shalt go to
01:19:56 the house of prayer and offer up thy
01:19:58 sacraments upon my holy day this is the
01:20:02 crowning
01:20:04 law of Torah it is the law wherein the
01:20:09 Seal of God is placed upon our
01:20:12 foreheads that we keep his Sabbath day
01:20:15 and in Doctrine and Covenant section 59
01:20:18 he was commanding them to keep his
01:20:19 Sabbath day but they did not understand
01:20:23 the Commandment
01:20:25 because they would not
01:20:28 yeah they had the scriptures in front of
01:20:32 them the so just since Ben’s bringing up
01:20:36 the Sabbath today is the Sabbath that is
01:20:38 why I’m doing this today the Sabbath all
01:20:42 appointed times are based upon the Sun
01:20:47 and the Moon
01:20:49 um they they have the scriptures before
01:20:52 them and they would not they would not
01:20:55 understand well
01:20:58 so Joseph Smith wasn’t to restore
01:21:02 everything also so I but at the same
01:21:05 time he didn’t understand this right but
01:21:12 um and sometimes I wonder if he if it
01:21:16 was sometimes I sometimes I wonder if
01:21:19 it’s just that they in some cases I
01:21:22 wonder if it’s that they wouldn’t or
01:21:23 that they couldn’t
01:21:25 um
01:21:31 made they were purposefully left blind
01:21:34 even that God blinded the guys of the
01:21:37 Sears yeah it it wasn’t time to restore
01:21:41 everything um why I don’t know I I think
01:21:46 part of it is Joseph Smith was a
01:21:50 gentile was a gentile when he started
01:21:52 the church and did the G uh ation I
01:21:55 don’t believe he died a
01:21:58 gentile but I believe he started out as
01:22:00 a gentile yes but anyways
01:22:04 um just like I started out as a
01:22:07 gentile I’m not a gentile now I’m a
01:22:11 nazarine nazarine Mormon to be specific
01:22:14 but or a Hebrew I’ve crossed over that’s
01:22:16 what Hebrew means crossed over
01:22:20 um so but back on the Sabbath a little
01:22:23 bit Genesis 11 14 and 16 are big ones in
01:22:27 this subject this is a big subject I
01:22:31 I’ve even done an app if you have an
01:22:32 Android I have a app for this you know
01:22:36 you know there that cleany um or little
01:22:39 phrase there’s an app for
01:22:43 that I have one Genesis 114 and Elohim
01:22:48 said let there be lights Sun and the
01:22:51 Moon in the firment of Heaven to divide
01:22:53 the day from the night and let them be
01:22:56 signs and for Seasons which you go look
01:22:59 at the word behind that moade which is
01:23:01 appointed
01:23:02 times and the weekly Sabbath is an
01:23:05 appointed
01:23:07 time and for days and for years so how
01:23:10 to determine your year and your your day
01:23:14 um your your day day and your day of
01:23:18 your moon okay Genesis 1116 and Elohim
01:23:22 made two great lights so
01:23:25 there’s a controversy here where a lot
01:23:26 of people think you have to do stars
01:23:28 also I don’t in fact how many lights did
01:23:32 he mentioned here
01:23:34 two and we’ll get more of this and we
01:23:37 get down the bottom the greater light
01:23:39 son to rule dominate the day and that’s
01:23:43 I’m going to the Hebrew showing it I
01:23:45 believe a better words dominate okay
01:23:49 because you’ll see the moon when the
01:23:52 sun’s out so it’s not
01:23:54 all there by it sa it’s but it’s still
01:23:56 the dominant light right and the Lesser
01:24:00 light the moon to dominate the night
01:24:03 because it’s not the only thing you can
01:24:05 see you can see the stars yeah he made
01:24:09 the Stars also but look Stars rule
01:24:13 nothing but they do teach the gospel as
01:24:16 I Maus as I talked a little bit um but
01:24:20 up here it’s these lights the Sun and
01:24:23 the Moon that gives this the
01:24:25 seasons and if you want here’s U oh I
01:24:30 need to give you this if you want to go
01:24:31 look at it
01:24:35 um if we go look at the new year
01:24:39 um part of the reason I think people
01:24:42 think they’re supposed to use stars is
01:24:44 because they think the stars are in sync
01:24:46 with the tropical year they’re not so
01:24:49 the tropical years when you go um from
01:24:53 Equinox Equinox the Spring Equinox to
01:24:56 Spring Equinox okay where the side rail
01:25:00 year is when you go from the Star being
01:25:03 the exact same location to the exact
01:25:05 same location again and although they’re
01:25:09 close they’re about 20 minutes and 30
01:25:13 seconds difference so in one in a human
01:25:16 lifetime you’re not going to see a big
01:25:18 difference but over hundreds and
01:25:20 thousands of years you’re going to see a
01:25:22 difference MH
01:25:25 um significant significant enough that
01:25:28 the that it would throw off the growing
01:25:30 seasons and what Happ exactly in fact
01:25:33 when you go start studying the side rail
01:25:35 year they’ll tell you that it throws off
01:25:37 your Seasons this has been
01:25:40 scientists people who aren’t trying to
01:25:42 push the the lunar Sabbath agenda say
01:25:44 this it is just a fact in fact this is
01:25:48 even a controversy in horoscopes when
01:25:52 you start really looking into that stuff
01:25:54 because there’s horoscopes that are done
01:25:56 by the tropical year or the
01:25:58 Greek uh astronomy which goes off the
01:26:01 tropical year or there’s the astronomy
01:26:04 that goes off of the side rail year
01:26:07 which I don’t remember the other name
01:26:08 for it but India does chin the Chinese
01:26:11 and the Chinese I forgot about them but
01:26:14 it goes off they go off the side rail
01:26:16 year and that’s why they’re in different
01:26:19 constellations at the exact same time
01:26:21 because they’re going off of the
01:26:22 different years in fact going off the
01:26:25 tropical Greek year for the
01:26:29 constellations it’s just made up they
01:26:31 just State the ram
01:26:34 starts with the Equinox period this is
01:26:39 what they do instead of going actually
01:26:41 by the Stars they just go by definition
01:26:43 and that’s what most of the world has
01:26:45 because most of the world has Greek
01:26:47 thought nowadays
01:26:49 right but there are some cultures uh in
01:26:53 some part of India and I guess part of
01:26:56 China go off of the side rail which
01:27:00 actually puts the s in the exact same
01:27:04 location but those two years are
01:27:06 different and that’s why in the
01:27:07 horoscope
01:27:09 world if you go look into it they fight
01:27:12 with each other because which which year
01:27:14 are you going off of okay another just a
01:27:17 little interesting little
01:27:19 tidbit
01:27:21 apparently the sign that the in in the
01:27:24 stars that affects you the most is the
01:27:26 one that’s farthest away from
01:27:29 you which is just ironic You’ think
01:27:31 they’d be the ones that are closer to
01:27:33 you but no it’s the one that’s farther
01:27:34 because it’s the one you’re looking at
01:27:36 but that’s the one that’s farther than
01:27:37 the one that you’re that’s just behind
01:27:39 you that’s actually closer but anyway oh
01:27:41 yeah yeah okay but they’re there are the
01:27:44 stars that are affecting you even though
01:27:45 they’re the farthest just it’s not
01:27:47 logical but anyways
01:27:50 sorry well if you expected logic from a
01:27:55 I don’t know what I can tell you Stephen
01:27:58 uh I I never did I was just trying to
01:28:01 make it more
01:28:04 obvious um anyways I don’t know how much
01:28:08 of this subject you want to get into I’m
01:28:10 happy to get into more yeah I was just
01:28:13 gonna ask so if you have it the the Holy
01:28:16 Spirit do you feel it come over you like
01:28:20 you can yes um it’s just more along the
01:28:24 lines of How It’s you feel how it’s
01:28:26 changing
01:28:28 you but here’s this post that you should
01:28:32 go read Because if this is a big
01:28:33 question for you go read the Holy Spirit
01:28:36 and the Holy Ghost post and and this
01:28:39 post all things you should do yeah all
01:28:41 things you should do um
01:28:44 okay so the title I’ll show you where
01:28:47 the title comes from first
01:28:49 okay
01:28:50 um so this is from Elma
01:28:54 32 okay and so second E5 32 oh yeah
01:28:59 sorry second e532 what am I smoking
01:29:03 maybe it’s not
01:29:05 drinking have you been eating your
01:29:08 appropriate amount of bread with your
01:29:09 wine see I believe so but maybe
01:29:12 [Laughter]
01:29:16 not let’s take okay all right so so the
01:29:21 the big part comes in where I start
01:29:24 mainly focusing on is the cisms do you
01:29:27 know what a kism is yeah yeah all right
01:29:31 okay so um CA and CB you want to read
01:29:36 those Ben wherefore I said unto you
01:29:40 Feast upon the words instructions of
01:29:43 Christ Messiah for behold the words
01:29:48 instructions Christ will tell you all
01:29:51 things what he should do okay I’m going
01:29:54 to read the other
01:29:56 C uh and we could go through the other
01:29:59 stanzas if you want but the focus I’m
01:30:02 bringing out in this post is to se ones
01:30:05 and receive the Holy Ghost La Torah it
01:30:09 will show unto you all things you should
01:30:11 do so wait a
01:30:13 minute is it the Holy Ghost who tell you
01:30:15 all things you should do or should it be
01:30:17 Christ that tells you all things you
01:30:18 should
01:30:21 do that’s either a contradiction
01:30:25 or way to say the same thing The Words
01:30:28 of Christ is
01:30:30 Torah which another word for that is
01:30:33 Holy Ghost or Holy
01:30:37 Spirit okay okay I’ll be more quiet I
01:30:41 need to be quiet so if you can’t hear me
01:30:43 tell me okay so uh I go down a little
01:30:47 bit
01:30:49 here uh I quote this again we didn’t
01:30:52 finish looking at that but you can look
01:30:53 at more later
01:30:55 uh unless you want to focus on that uh
01:30:58 we can look at that in a minute I want
01:30:59 to get to dictionary
01:31:08 definitions
01:31:09 [Music]
01:31:12 Bridal
01:31:14 M oh did I not I thought I put this
01:31:17 which works oh here it is okay this is
01:31:19 the one I want ah here we are spirit so
01:31:23 I’ll read this this one so these are um
01:31:26 selected definitions of spirit but it
01:31:29 deals with behavior which is what Torah
01:31:32 is helping us uh govern right I was
01:31:36 trying to
01:31:38 oops govern it’s temper disposition of
01:31:43 Mind habits or habitual or temporary as
01:31:47 a man of a generous Spirit or of a
01:31:51 revengeful spirit so
01:31:54 generous Behavior or revengeful
01:31:58 Behavior the ornament of a Meek and
01:32:02 quiet spirit let us go to the house of
01:32:05 Elohim in the spirit of prayer so the
01:32:08 behavior of prayer right eight Turn of
01:32:12 Mind so changing of
01:32:15 mind um temper which just kind of
01:32:19 occasions State of Mind perfect judge
01:32:23 will read each work of wit with the same
01:32:28 spirit that its author WR so with the
01:32:32 same
01:32:33 intention that the author
01:32:36 intended uh 14 excitement of
01:32:40 Mind amination cheerfulness usually in
01:32:43 the plural we found our friend in very
01:32:46 good spirits so good good behaviors
01:32:49 right when you’re in good spirit you’re
01:32:50 doing good things he has a great full of
01:32:54 spirits to sing thy Praises would Heaven
01:32:58 my breath prolong infusing Spirits with
01:33:01 worthy such as a song the renewal the
01:33:05 renewal just like being born again is
01:33:09 being renewing right nature of man
01:33:13 Matthew
01:33:14 264 Galatians 55 and that’s from the
01:33:18 1828 Websters
01:33:21 Dictionary so when I’m trying to point
01:33:24 out
01:33:25 here
01:33:27 spirit means
01:33:30 Behavior and the law tells us how we are
01:33:33 to behave and this and that and all
01:33:36 things that we should do and how we
01:33:39 supposed to behave all the time that’s
01:33:41 what the law tells us which is another
01:33:44 word for Holy
01:33:47 behavior and we are supposed to be holy
01:33:50 as he is Holy and
01:33:54 Torah tells
01:33:57 us how and who Yahweh
01:34:02 Yeshua is and so the
01:34:07 Holy Spirit or
01:34:10 behaviors will tell
01:34:13 us the holy or toric Spirit behaviors
01:34:18 tell us all things what we should
01:34:20 do in fact I even bring I I don’t
01:34:24 remember it was from Torah or tanok I it
01:34:26 might have been tanok
01:34:28 but I think it was Joshua I’d have to
01:34:30 find it again it’s hard to remember
01:34:31 every single point but if I remember
01:34:34 right Joshua actually brings out how
01:34:37 Torah will tell us all things we should
01:34:42 do um I mean I could probably find it by
01:34:45 searching Joshua if you
01:34:47 want I’m pretty
01:34:50 sure uh okay this is the one I’m
01:34:53 thinking of
01:34:54 um you want to read this one Ben y be
01:34:57 strong and of a good courage For unto
01:34:59 this people shalt thou divide for an
01:35:01 inheritance the land which I swear unto
01:35:04 their fathers to give them only be thou
01:35:06 strong and very courageous that thou
01:35:08 mayest observe to do all and to do
01:35:10 according to all the law which Moses my
01:35:12 servant commanded thee turn not from it
01:35:15 to the right hand nor to the left and
01:35:17 that thou mayest Prosper withs soever
01:35:19 thou goest this book of the law shall
01:35:22 not depart out of thy mouth but Thou
01:35:24 shalt meditate therein day and night
01:35:27 that thou mayest observe to do according
01:35:30 to all that is written therein so it’s
01:35:34 not exact but it’s pretty close to same
01:35:37 phrase
01:35:40 right for then Thou shalt make thy way
01:35:43 prosperous and then Thou shalt have good
01:35:46 success have not I commanded thee be
01:35:49 strong and of good courage Be not Afraid
01:35:52 neither be thou dismayed for the
01:35:54 Lord like for for Yahweh the Elohim is
01:35:59 with thee whether soever thou
01:36:01 goest so I just want to bring a couple
01:36:04 things uh strong good courage so uh when
01:36:10 we have the love of Yahweh with
01:36:14 us we’re not fearful meaning we have
01:36:17 courage right and if you love
01:36:22 me can you finish the
01:36:25 phrase keep my Commandments yeah which
01:36:28 is
01:36:31 Torah law Commandments
01:36:34 instructions same
01:36:36 word I mean different word same thing
01:36:40 right
01:36:43 okay I mean sometimes testimony is
01:36:46 referred to as the law also because the
01:36:50 Arc of the testimony what was in that
01:36:52 Arc
01:36:53 the law and it can either be a testimony
01:36:56 for us if we start keeping it or against
01:37:00 us if we break
01:37:04 it um and then on top of
01:37:07 that if we C come under a covenant
01:37:10 relationship with Yahweh and keep his
01:37:12 Commandments we get an inheritance of
01:37:15 the promised land which is heaven uh
01:37:20 spiritually right but physically you can
01:37:22 actually go get land
01:37:24 okay a lot of these things uh have
01:37:28 deeper meaning to them I don’t know if
01:37:31 you’re with
01:37:36 Padres you may wantan to all this all
01:37:40 just falls under all these um like the
01:37:42 davidic Covenant like the Covenant that
01:37:44 he made with the
01:37:47 Israelites if they keep Torah then these
01:37:50 are the things he’s going to give them
01:37:52 correct yeah okay and we’re still they
01:37:56 never went away well it’s the same law
01:37:58 God doesn’t God doesn’t change and he’s
01:38:00 no respector of persons yeah so here
01:38:03 let’s go look at my some of my favorite
01:38:06 book of Mormon verses on
01:38:08 that
01:38:09 um I
01:38:14 just
01:38:17 um Can Can you is this big enough for
01:38:19 you to read CLE or is that too small I
01:38:21 think I can read that you want to read
01:38:23 that sure uh second
01:38:27 Nephi where are we here 29 yeah okay um
01:38:32 so know ye not that there are more
01:38:34 Nations than one know ye not that I yah
01:38:39 way your God Elohim have created all men
01:38:44 know ye not that oh I’m reading that
01:38:46 again and that I remember those who are
01:38:49 upon the Isles of the sea and that I
01:38:51 rule in the heavens above and in the
01:38:53 Earth beneath and I bring forth my word
01:38:55 unto the children of men yay even upon
01:38:58 all the nations of the wherefore murmur
01:39:01 ye because ye shall receive more of my
01:39:03 word know ye not that the testimony of
01:39:06 two Nations is a witness unto you that I
01:39:10 am Elohim know ye not that the test oh
01:39:14 I’m going again
01:39:15 sorry this is a little small uh that I
01:39:19 remember one nation like unto another
01:39:22 wherefore I speak the same words unto
01:39:24 One Nation like unto another and when
01:39:27 the two Nations shall run together real
01:39:29 quick this is like the main focus for
01:39:31 right now and we’ll finish the others in
01:39:33 a minute but what does he do to
01:39:35 different nations speaks the same law
01:39:39 same word yeah and the word is the law
01:39:42 fact the word in a lot of cases is
01:39:43 another word for the law because what he
01:39:46 speaks is law okay and this and the fact
01:39:51 that this law has been from the
01:39:52 beginning is reinforced by the testimony
01:39:55 of John the Baptist in Joseph Smith
01:39:57 translation joh also Alma 12 yeah I can
01:40:01 show it from Elma 12 yep I can show it
01:40:04 from second Epi 2 and I can show it from
01:40:06 Jacob
01:40:07 5 it’s always been the same always so it
01:40:11 was in the beginning was the Gospel
01:40:13 preached through the sun and the gospel
01:40:15 was the word and the Word was with the
01:40:17 Son and the son was with God and the son
01:40:20 was of God the same was in the beginning
01:40:24 with God all things were made by him and
01:40:27 without him was not anything made which
01:40:29 was made in him was the Gospel the
01:40:32 gospel was the life and the life was the
01:40:34 light of men and the light shineth in
01:40:36 the world and the world perceiveth it
01:40:40 not and there was a man s from God whose
01:40:43 name was John Sam came into the world
01:40:45 for a witness to Bear witness of the
01:40:47 light to be record of the Gospel through
01:40:49 the son onto all and through him that
01:40:52 through him men might
01:40:54 Bel so here in this you have all of
01:40:58 these all of these wonderful things you
01:41:00 have the word you have the light you
01:41:02 have the gospel all of these are
01:41:03 synonyms for Torah yeah
01:41:07 um so let’s finish this and we can go
01:41:09 look at some light stuff in the in that
01:41:12 all things you should do Post because I
01:41:14 cover that I cover a lot of imagery
01:41:18 there but let me do this one because I
01:41:20 want to say a little something and when
01:41:22 two Nations shall run together the
01:41:24 testimony of two Nations shall run
01:41:26 together also
01:41:27 so if the two if Yahweh was teaching
01:41:32 something different to two different
01:41:33 nations could they run together no no
01:41:38 you’re right because they wouldn’t be in
01:41:40 sync with each other could they be of
01:41:43 one heart or one mind right hey wait are
01:41:46 you quoting Zan there oh maybe
01:41:51 [Laughter]
01:41:54 something that’s come to me recently as
01:41:56 I read I think okay if us Gentiles if if
01:41:59 there are Gentiles being grafted into
01:42:01 the house of Israel we’re going to be
01:42:03 doing the same types of things yeah
01:42:06 exactly when you’re adopted into a
01:42:09 family you start doing what that family
01:42:10 does yeah and the Book of Mormon says
01:42:14 that the Gentiles need to be adopted in
01:42:16 the house of
01:42:18 Israel we need to let go of the Pagan
01:42:20 things yeah start accepting
01:42:23 the Hebrew thinks yeah it comes with
01:42:28 time
01:42:29 yeah said it from earlier we’re talking
01:42:33 about it’s gonna change you it’s going
01:42:36 to levven you
01:42:39 leaven uh is a
01:42:42 preserver in today’s world a lot of
01:42:44 people think it’s a
01:42:46 rer but that’s not what Levan
01:42:49 is it’s a preserver it’s because of leav
01:42:53 the old days that food would last a very
01:42:57 long
01:42:59 time where in today with our modern
01:43:01 modern technology and fridges and
01:43:04 whatnot we think it’s some people will
01:43:06 claim it’s a rer it’s not it’s a
01:43:08 preserver just like yeshua’s 11 which is
01:43:14 Hebrew 11 will preserve us so that we
01:43:17 can go live with him
01:43:20 again versus the opposite going to hell
01:43:23 right because that’s when we’re not
01:43:25 preserved okay um it also and it takes
01:43:31 time because Lev doesn’t happen
01:43:33 immediately it comes over a process
01:43:37 which actually I talk about in this post
01:43:39 but you you
01:43:41 should I can’t emphasize enough if this
01:43:43 is your a question that’s on Your Heart
01:43:45 Right Now read this post okay I know I
01:43:48 might be biased because it’s I wrote
01:43:51 it but um
01:43:53 Ben and Matt I think will concur with me
01:43:56 yeah this is this is a very important
01:43:58 Post Yeah more people should read it
01:44:01 more people should take it seriously
01:44:03 I’ll pay you later just
01:44:06 kidding um I don’t know why I’m I’m not
01:44:12 making I’m not making any money off of
01:44:15 this but anyways here let’s finish this
01:44:18 kism and then we can go on to some other
01:44:20 things um can you finish
01:44:24 yeah and I do this that I may prove unto
01:44:28 many that I am the same yesterday today
01:44:30 and forever no I just want to
01:44:32 reemphasize again if he was teaching
01:44:34 something different would it prove that
01:44:36 he’s the same right no and so it’s
01:44:39 interesting here it’s the same location
01:44:43 and then here it’s same on time
01:44:46 including
01:44:49 forever anyways okay yeah okay and that
01:44:53 I speak forth my words according to my
01:44:55 own pleasure and because that I have
01:44:58 spoken one word ye do you need not
01:45:01 suppose that I cannot speak another for
01:45:06 my um for my work not yet
01:45:09 finished neither shall it be until the
01:45:12 end of man neither from that time
01:45:14 henceforth and forever so I just want to
01:45:17 talk about DNA just a little bit it’s a
01:45:19 little Sidetrack but a lot of people
01:45:21 think when Yeshua stated his work was
01:45:25 finished on the cross it meant
01:45:27 everything no that was he was talking
01:45:29 about the law of
01:45:30 Moses okay and we can get into that now
01:45:34 or another time or um and I’m happy to
01:45:37 get into it
01:45:39 but uh I have a recording on that okay
01:45:44 um just s we have gotten into it before
01:45:49 yeah I’m happy to do it again but is
01:45:52 then just try to cover new
01:45:54 things um so there’s that
01:45:58 recording
01:46:03 and and honestly and honestly we end up
01:46:06 answering a lot of the same questions a
01:46:08 lot which which I’m happy to do right
01:46:11 now we’re covering something else and so
01:46:12 I’m just trying to give you
01:46:14 complimentary things that you can go
01:46:15 watch later on but if you want to go
01:46:17 over these in person I’m happy
01:46:20 to I can I can listen to those
01:46:23 throughout the week sure sure sure um
01:46:26 and so it’s just mainly that I know a
01:46:27 lot of people
01:46:30 Brites and Christians say that his work
01:46:32 is finished because they’re
01:46:33 misunderstanding on what he was actually
01:46:36 referring to at the cross or on the
01:46:39 cross okay his work’s not finished in
01:46:42 fact are every if you was it Abraham 320
01:46:48 is about this is my work of my glory to
01:46:50 bring to pass immortality and eternal
01:46:52 life of man
01:46:53 that’s not done yet
01:46:55 right and it will not be done for time
01:46:58 and move for for time and all
01:47:02 eternity I don’t know about the eternity
01:47:05 part myself but well that’s what it
01:47:07 means neither shall it be until the end
01:47:09 of man neither from that time henceforth
01:47:11 and
01:47:12 forever oh that’s true there’s that part
01:47:14 right
01:47:16 there I guess I just I don’t understand
01:47:19 what that would be so I guess that’s my
01:47:22 problem on that part because it’s right
01:47:24 there right brend the veil of unbelief
01:47:27 Sten it I I did end it it’s right there
01:47:31 I just I don’t
01:47:33 understand there’s a difference between
01:47:35 unbelief and understanding yeah I’m
01:47:38 teasy I know and I’m just
01:47:43 responding
01:47:44 um so let’s go
01:47:48 back if I can get the right one
01:47:58 um so we can go look at a couple things
01:48:00 here um I I know one thing a big one is
01:48:04 light so we can go look up light
01:48:07 or okay here’s a question you want to
01:48:10 look at what lectures on faith it says
01:48:12 about the Holy Ghost is or do you want
01:48:16 to go look at what the symbolism of
01:48:17 light
01:48:23 you’re muted kley so I keep having to M
01:48:27 mute it my kids are so loud um Let’s
01:48:31 do let’s do the lectures on faith okay
01:48:35 so that’s more up here in fact actually
01:48:39 we don’t need to go here I I know Ben
01:48:42 oops I like this one
01:48:47 more you want to do this one Ben because
01:48:49 I know you’ve kind of enjoyed doing this
01:48:51 one I love
01:48:53 lectures on faith especially lecture
01:48:56 five okay well I’ll let you so actually
01:48:59 let you want verse one or you want to
01:49:02 start with verse two well I’ll start in
01:49:04 verse one okay in our former lectures we
01:49:08 have treated the bean oh I can’t
01:49:12 Sor we have treated the bean character
01:49:14 Perfections and attributes of God what
01:49:17 we mean by Perfections is the
01:49:20 Perfections which belong to all the
01:49:21 attributes of his nature we shall in
01:49:23 this lecture speak of the godhead we
01:49:25 mean the father Son and Holy Spirit now
01:49:28 uh I would assume that Ben would agree
01:49:31 it’s going to be important as I feel
01:49:34 that is to go Sidetrack a little bit to
01:49:36 go what see what personages means so yes
01:49:40 let’s go let’s go take a look at what
01:49:42 personage
01:49:44 means the Book of Mormon teaches
01:49:46 modalism okay and the last thing that
01:49:49 really tripped me up was lectures on
01:49:51 faith by two because I didn’t know the
01:49:54 actual definition of personage okay and
01:49:58 this is where the dictionary
01:49:59 helps anyways the actual definition of
01:50:02 personage is an exterior
01:50:05 appearance not an actual person an
01:50:08 exterior appearance stature air as a
01:50:12 tall personage a stately personage it’s
01:50:14 a character assumed like in a play or an
01:50:19 act or a role taken on character
01:50:24 represented and so and so that so that’s
01:50:27 what that’s what a personage is it’s not
01:50:30 actually a
01:50:31 person yeah uh did you read three
01:50:33 character I think you did character
01:50:35 represented some persons may be found
01:50:37 already known in history whom we make
01:50:39 who we may make the actors and
01:50:41 personages in this
01:50:43 fa uh are you did you want to say
01:50:45 something to us or your kids
01:50:49 C my kids sorry no that’s fine okay
01:50:54 that’s fine um the reason I think that’s
01:50:57 important because the fourth word in
01:50:59 verse two is
01:51:02 persones yes not
01:51:04 persons
01:51:06 persones there is a technical difference
01:51:09 which we just went over okay yeah so
01:51:13 it’s uh so there are two
01:51:16 personages two personages who constitute
01:51:19 the great matchless governing and
01:51:21 supreme power over All Things by whom
01:51:24 all things were created and made that
01:51:26 are created and made whether visible or
01:51:29 invisible whether in heaven on Earth or
01:51:32 in the earth under the Earth or
01:51:35 throughout the immensity of space they
01:51:37 are the father and the son the father
01:51:40 being a personage of spirit first off
01:51:43 let’s let’s take a quick detour here to
01:51:45 point out that he says right at the
01:51:47 beginning there are two
01:51:50 personages do you know what moralism is
01:51:56 Kesley moralism modalism
01:52:00 modalism
01:52:03 no uh here I can explain it since Ben’s
01:52:06 doing this so that way he’s not just
01:52:07 doing all the Talking uh two
01:52:11 modes of the
01:52:15 entity so one mode is the
01:52:18 father and one mode is the son or
01:52:23 or one character is the father right cuz
01:52:28 multiple characters can be played by the
01:52:31 same person in a play okay okay and
01:52:35 that’s what’s going on here I’ve done
01:52:36 that multiple
01:52:38 times uh oh in real life yeah in real
01:52:42 life I’ve done that been as an actor
01:52:45 played multiple characters in one play
01:52:48 um and that’s what Yahweh does at times
01:52:52 he plays the part of the father and at
01:52:55 other times he plays the part of the son
01:52:58 mosiah 15 which we could go Sidetrack on
01:53:01 that
01:53:02 but in fact I have a kism on that now
01:53:06 that I remember where I put
01:53:08 it um but one
01:53:13 entity two different modes
01:53:17 modalism yes okay but when we’re since
01:53:21 we’re talking about the godhead here the
01:53:23 important thing to point out is that
01:53:24 there are two personages two right in
01:53:28 fact to emphasize that let’s go to one
01:53:30 of the qu to Sidetrack a little bit to
01:53:32 emphasize that let’s go to one of the
01:53:38 questions I forget which question number
01:53:41 it
01:53:41 is
01:53:43 oh I think it’s how oh there we go
01:53:47 question
01:53:48 three how many personages are there in
01:53:51 the godhead two the father and the son
01:53:55 um how do you prove there’s two
01:53:58 personages uh it’s in the
01:54:02 godhead answer by the scriptures Genesis
01:54:06 1:26 the Lord God said unto the only
01:54:09 begotten who is with him from the
01:54:10 beginning let us make man in our image
01:54:12 after our likeness and it was done
01:54:14 Genesis 3:22 and the Lord said Lord God
01:54:17 said unto the only begotten behold the
01:54:18 man has become as one of us to know good
01:54:20 and evil John 1775 and now oh Father
01:54:23 glorify thou me with thine own self with
01:54:26 the glory which I had with thee before
01:54:29 the world was so here here’s the main
01:54:33 point I bring up how many people not
01:54:36 personages but how many people does the
01:54:38 elus church bite Church says in the
01:54:41 godhead three three now there’s
01:54:46 controversies about the lectures on
01:54:47 faith okay I’ll be open in front with
01:54:50 you but there are answers and I I have
01:54:54 some in my Holy Spirit Holy Ghost post
01:54:58 that I already gave you a link to and if
01:55:01 you just go to my main lectures on faith
01:55:03 page I have some key portions there
01:55:08 okay but even if you don’t believe
01:55:13 Joseph Smith wrote any of it which he
01:55:15 spent significant amount of time on and
01:55:17 on top of
01:55:19 that if anybody wrote lecture five the
01:55:22 one that most people have issues
01:55:24 with is Joseph Smith but it has his word
01:55:29 print all over it yeah but if you go
01:55:31 look at the votes page from the doctrine
01:55:34 covenants it actually states that Joseph
01:55:38 Smith and everybody voted to says these
01:55:41 are Doctrine and these are
01:55:43 scriptures and that’s DNC was not
01:55:46 something that was snuck into the
01:55:48 printer’s office at the last minute that
01:55:50 if you want to check me I give you L to
01:55:52 Joseph Smith papers where it shows this
01:55:54 is part of the DNC at the bottom of this
01:55:56 I do that on every bottom of the
01:55:59 lectures on faith pages that I have I I
01:56:02 I Source it um sometimes I add these uh
01:56:06 glyphs little comments to help you
01:56:08 better understand what’s being said uhuh
01:56:12 u in fact the
01:56:14 preference actually States the lectures
01:56:17 on faith is the
01:56:19 doctrine of the doctrine of Covenants
01:56:22 interesting tidbit the 1833 was the book
01:56:26 of
01:56:27 Commandments
01:56:29 when um lectures on faith was added
01:56:32 that’s when you added the Covenant the
01:56:36 doctrine because covenants and
01:56:37 Commandments are two words for the same
01:56:41 thing because the Commandments stayed
01:56:45 just got renamed to Covenant because it
01:56:46 means the same
01:56:48 thing and this is when the doctrine was
01:56:51 added which is the lectures on F okay in
01:56:55 fact also technically if uh if people
01:56:59 would stop fighting if certain people
01:57:01 would stop fighting against the lectures
01:57:03 on faith they would realize they had in
01:57:04 their hands the thing which would allow
01:57:08 them to actually take take advantage of
01:57:10 the doctrine of Christ yeah the and
01:57:14 it it’s good so also to printing
01:57:18 nowadays is pretty cheap but back in
01:57:20 Joseph Smith day it was expensive and if
01:57:22 you look at this picture here on the
01:57:25 left is lectures on faith on the right
01:57:30 and I I specifically picked that picture
01:57:32 to cause other controversies to get
01:57:34 people to think about because that’s
01:57:35 section 101 about marriage that was
01:57:38 removed but see how the letters are
01:57:41 smaller compared to the lectures on
01:57:44 faith it’s because that shows the focus
01:57:48 and importance of lectures on faith it
01:57:52 Joseph
01:57:53 Smith and the committee who printed the
01:57:58 1835 DNC found lectures on faith more
01:58:04 important hence the letter
01:58:07 size it’s bigger and more
01:58:14 expensive does that make sense
01:58:17 guley okay uh I could I can read this
01:58:22 have to mute um okay so with that let’s
01:58:25 we could probably go back to up up to
01:58:30 verse
01:58:32 two I think this is the longest verse in
01:58:34 scripture but anyways okay go ahead
01:58:36 there’re the okay
01:58:38 so two personages there are the father
01:58:41 and the son the father being a personage
01:58:44 of spirit glory and power possessing all
01:58:47 Perfection and fullness the son who was
01:58:50 in the bosom of the father
01:58:52 a personage of Tabernacle made or
01:58:55 fashioned like unto man or being in the
01:58:57 form and likeness of man or rather man
01:59:01 was formed after his likeness and In His
01:59:03 Image he is also the express image and
01:59:06 likeness of the personage of the father
01:59:09 possessing all the fullness because it’s
01:59:12 the same person that’s why it’s
01:59:14 Express also down interesting it’s
01:59:18 really interesting that he says here
01:59:19 that that he says here that is in the
01:59:22 bosom of the Father the Son who was in
01:59:24 the bosom of the Father which means that
01:59:27 he is basically in the chest in the
01:59:29 personage in the in the person
01:59:32 himself right in the vestments in the
01:59:35 vestments but down at the bottom of the
01:59:37 verse it talks about how we can have the
01:59:39 same image of Yeshua because he’s taking
01:59:42 us he’s forming us from the dust so a
01:59:46 lot of
01:59:47 people like to focus and which I don’t
01:59:51 actually think is just ified but I
01:59:53 understand it
01:59:54 that you go look at the world today
01:59:57 we’re not in the image of Yahweh His
02:00:00 Image is being like him and the majority
02:00:03 of the world is not like him they’re
02:00:06 actually complete opposite of him and so
02:00:10 but in there there’s imagery of he’s
02:00:13 going to form us out of the Dust of the
02:00:16 Earth the express image and likeness of
02:00:18 the father and that have all man rather
02:00:22 man was formed after his likeness or in
02:00:24 his and In His Image this is this is
02:00:27 hinting at what’s going to be St stated
02:00:29 lower right and so s’s domain is the
02:00:33 Dust In fact in in Genesis in the same
02:00:37 place it talks about how uh Satan will
02:00:39 go about his belly of the Dust of the
02:00:42 Earth right that’s not the exact wording
02:00:45 but it’s along those light right it’s
02:00:47 because it’s his domain Yeshua is going
02:00:49 to take us from Satan’s domain and bring
02:00:52 us into his domain making us in His
02:00:57 image
02:01:01 okay okay sorry no go ahead go ahead
02:01:04 probably enough on that one
02:01:06 y yeah that makes sense I mean because
02:01:09 recently when I pray I’m sitting there
02:01:12 thinking who exactly am I praying to
02:01:14 because when I’m when I’m you know
02:01:17 starting off my prayers to the father
02:01:20 and then I sit there I feel like okay
02:01:22 I’m asking the father to like ask Christ
02:01:25 if he will do this and that for me but
02:01:28 yet I’m talking to the father through
02:01:30 Christ like it just it wasn’t Computing
02:01:32 it wasn’t making a whole lot of sense to
02:01:33 me so this is how I view it
02:01:37 um the father or the entity okay has
02:01:44 power because of what he came down and
02:01:48 did as the
02:01:49 son okay
02:01:53 now he figured it out as the
02:01:57 father but it had no effect until he
02:02:01 came out came down to do it himself
02:02:04 which is the son as the son but he
02:02:09 figured out as he was the
02:02:12 father so before he came down he figured
02:02:15 it out
02:02:16 but just because you have figured it out
02:02:18 if you don’t actually do anything
02:02:22 it has no effect if you do nothing
02:02:27 right
02:02:30 yeah that’s just a simple way of putting
02:02:32 it
02:02:33 because I could show you verses that
02:02:35 talks about how the word has power uh
02:02:41 it’s is because he didn’t break the word
02:02:45 or the law Torah is the reason he had
02:02:48 power it’s because we seek to emulate
02:02:52 him in his word that he allows his power
02:02:57 to flow through US
02:03:00 yeah in fact on that just to Sidetrack a
02:03:04 little
02:03:09 bit so Miracles
02:03:15 right
02:03:18 are um showing forth the power
02:03:24 correct so uh Book of Mormon and DNC
02:03:27 state that to perform these Miracles you
02:03:30 have to be sinless which means you’re
02:03:32 keeping Torah or it means that you’ve
02:03:34 repented for your past and now you
02:03:37 currently are Sanctified and are keeping
02:03:40 Torah completely okay okay through Nephi
02:03:45 81 and now it came to pass that
02:03:47 according to our record we know that our
02:03:50 record is true for behold
02:03:52 it was a just man who did keep the
02:03:54 record for he truly did many miracles in
02:03:57 the name of
02:03:58 Yeshua now here’s the key part and there
02:04:02 was not any man who could do a miracle
02:04:05 in the name of
02:04:07 Yeshua save or accept he were cleansed
02:04:11 every whip from his iniquity
02:04:14 [Music]
02:04:15 sinless past the past gone wiped away
02:04:20 walking in Torah right all right so he’s
02:04:22 Justified past Sanctified current
02:04:27 future uh DNC 50 8- 29 but no man is
02:04:33 possessor of all things except he be
02:04:37 purified and cleansed from all sin so
02:04:39 he’s sinless and if ye are purified and
02:04:43 cleansed from all sin you shall ask
02:04:44 whosoever you will in the name of Yeshua
02:04:46 and and it shall be done so this is
02:04:49 where you’ve been Justified and S ified
02:04:52 because you’ve been cleansed Justified
02:04:54 Sanctified you’re now keeping
02:04:59 it just as a as I’ve said in other
02:05:03 forums justification is an event
02:05:06 sanctification is a process marked by
02:05:08 events yeah
02:05:11 so this this long post all things you
02:05:14 can do gets into details on that we’re
02:05:17 just we’re looking at well actually
02:05:19 we’re not looking at it now but we’re
02:05:21 sidetracking from it a little bit but
02:05:23 you want to know what the holy spirit is
02:05:25 go read that post okay so here we are
02:05:30 let’s
02:05:32 see same F he is also the express image
02:05:36 and likeness of the personage of the
02:05:38 father possessing all of the fullness of
02:05:40 the father or the same fullness with the
02:05:42 father being begotten of him and was
02:05:44 ordained from before the foundation of
02:05:46 the world to be a propitiation for the
02:05:50 sins of all those who who should believe
02:05:52 on his name and is called the son
02:05:55 because of the Flesh and descended in
02:05:58 suffering below that which man can
02:06:00 suffer or in other
02:06:02 words suffered greater sufferings and
02:06:05 was exposed to more powerful
02:06:07 contradictions than any man can be but
02:06:11 not withstanding all this he kept the
02:06:14 law of God and remained without sin
02:06:18 showing thereby that it is this sentence
02:06:21 is important fact I’ve listened to the
02:06:23 lectures on faith a lot before and it
02:06:26 didn’t stick out to me until after
02:06:28 Yeshua told it or taught it to me
02:06:31 himself but then it stuck out to it this
02:06:33 is important okay very yeah this this
02:06:38 this last one that we covered is
02:06:39 extremely important the fact
02:06:42 that this and this one that we’re about
02:06:44 to go into is really really super
02:06:48 important we’re getting to the Holy
02:06:49 Ghost part it’s just this verse is long
02:06:54 it’s got a lot of good good nuggets of
02:06:56 Truth in it but anyways showing
02:07:00 thereby that it is in the power of man
02:07:05 to keep the law and remain also without
02:07:09 sin
02:07:11 future because we’ve all sinned and
02:07:15 fallen short of the glory of God but
02:07:16 that’s pass how many times have you
02:07:18 heard that we can’t keep the that we
02:07:20 cannot hope to keep the to to keep the
02:07:24 law without
02:07:29 Yeshua it’s
02:07:31 common they don’t quite say that it’s
02:07:33 quite common but they don’t quite say it
02:07:35 that way but it’s very common that we
02:07:37 can’t keep the
02:07:39 law Fallen man cannot keep the law
02:07:42 period Joseph Smith who was revealed to
02:07:46 him
02:07:48 by by Yahweh
02:07:51 that man can keep the law fact FYI is
02:07:55 taught in sermon in the mount and sermon
02:07:58 at the temple they both say that we can
02:08:00 keep it that you may be perfect even as
02:08:04 I am
02:08:06 perfect Jesus Christ we can keep the law
02:08:10 that’s how we’re perfect is yeah Jesus
02:08:12 Christ never gave an impossible
02:08:13 commandment
02:08:15 no if he gave us something that was
02:08:18 impossible to keep it would be unjust
02:08:21 for him to condemn us for something that
02:08:23 was not possible to
02:08:26 keep it would just be unjust
02:08:29 period it’s like going to your kids and
02:08:32 saying I want you to push this 100 pound
02:08:35 Rock up the hill on your own when it’s
02:08:37 not possible and if you don’t do it I’m
02:08:38 gonna punish you for the rest of your
02:08:40 life that’s unjust yeah and so many say
02:08:44 that we’ll be perfected in the next life
02:08:47 like it’s not ever going to be possible
02:08:48 now no it’s possibly perfected now
02:08:53 yeah that makes it’s sermon of the
02:08:56 mountain sermon of the temple it states
02:08:58 it there but people talk their way
02:09:00 around it right but J it’s that fail of
02:09:04 un more words to make it less possible
02:09:08 to talk it away and I honestly this is
02:09:11 one of the reasons why people try to get
02:09:13 rid of the lectures on
02:09:15 pap there’s other reasons too but this
02:09:17 is one of them and also okay and also
02:09:22 that by him a righteous judgment might
02:09:24 come upon All Flesh that all who walk
02:09:27 not in the law of God may justly be
02:09:30 condemned by the law and have no excuse
02:09:32 for their sins and he being excuse
02:09:35 because it is possible to keep it which
02:09:37 he
02:09:40 showed and he being the only begotten of
02:09:43 the father full of grace and truth and
02:09:45 having overcome received a fullness of
02:09:47 Glory of the father possessing the same
02:09:50 mind with the father which mind is the
02:09:52 holy spirit there we go so look what did
02:09:56 Joseph Smith say the holy spirit is a
02:10:00 law well the Mind here but the mind has
02:10:05 to do with the law and I get into that a
02:10:07 little more my all things you should do
02:10:09 Post here we go that Bears record of the
02:10:12 father and the son and these three are
02:10:14 one or in other words the three
02:10:16 constitute the great matchless governing
02:10:18 and supreme power over all things by
02:10:21 whom all things oh wait wait wait look
02:10:23 this one thing I just noted all things
02:10:25 you should do because it’s covering
02:10:26 everything but anyways okay so so the
02:10:29 mind is the okay so it was saying the
02:10:32 the law is the mind there or I mean the
02:10:34 spirit is the mind the spirit is the
02:10:36 mind of God and we will have when we
02:10:39 have the spirit we have the same mind
02:10:42 yes okay okay that’s making sense by
02:10:46 whom all things were created and made
02:10:48 that were created and made and these
02:10:50 three constitute the godhead with and
02:10:52 are one the father and the son
02:10:55 possessing the same mind the same wisdom
02:10:57 Glory power and fullness filling all in
02:11:00 all the sun being filled with the
02:11:01 fullness of the Mind glory and power or
02:11:04 in other words the spirit glory and
02:11:06 power of the father so I’m just going to
02:11:09 interject a little bit
02:11:12 so sometimes one can mean United right
02:11:17 and and in this case right here I would
02:11:19 agree because
02:11:23 the mind of God is not God right or
02:11:27 Elohim um but they are united together
02:11:33 because they’re teaching the same thing
02:11:38 right the the father and the son have
02:11:41 the same mind meaning they have the same
02:11:44 purposes they have the same plan they
02:11:46 have the same goal they have the same
02:11:49 desires so on and so forth
02:11:53 anyway I just wanted to kind of bring
02:11:55 that out some yeah
02:11:57 where
02:12:03 and the father and the son who’s the
02:12:06 same
02:12:07 personages right
02:12:10 um do they turn to the left or the right
02:12:13 on what they should do no did they
02:12:15 change
02:12:17 it no of course is one Eternal Realm
02:12:21 yeah did did you see that post
02:12:25 yet that’s my plug for the Post right
02:12:30 there
02:12:32 what yeah I have Post in fact I read the
02:12:36 post about
02:12:39 um shoot what I was gonna say
02:12:43 about God and Christ being one I believe
02:12:47 I don’t know what it’s called but it
02:12:50 didn’t make a whole lot of sense to me
02:12:52 because I wasn’t under quite
02:12:53 understanding it oh that’s but this this
02:12:56 is making sense to me now that you’re
02:12:57 point you know now that we’re talking
02:12:59 through I’ll tell
02:13:01 you yes that’s something that Yeshua
02:13:04 taught me taught me through years it it
02:13:06 didn’t all come all at once to me bu
02:13:09 some pieces here and there and some of
02:13:11 it I had to figure out my own it’s a lot
02:13:14 easier when someone can do it to help
02:13:17 you face to face like we’re doing right
02:13:19 now yeah um
02:13:22 but the glory still belongs to Yahweh
02:13:24 but I’m just telling you that’s
02:13:25 something he’s given me bits and pieces
02:13:28 through the
02:13:29 years and me trying to put it all
02:13:31 together and figure it out yeah so but
02:13:34 anyways here’s the Eternal one um if you
02:13:37 want to go look at that I I like it but
02:13:39 like I said I’m I’m biased but Ben likes
02:13:41 it too yeah that’s right that’s right I
02:13:44 like it be I like it because of the
02:13:47 especially because of the artwork on the
02:13:50 oh yeah
02:13:51 Ben picked that
02:13:53 [Laughter]
02:13:57 just but the but the but the content’s
02:13:59 good too yeah I did the
02:14:02 content he he did Pro it and help piix
02:14:06 some of my spelling and grammar though
02:14:08 um I picked that she’ll probably like a
02:14:11 sugar coat of gospel with no mention of
02:14:13 the gravity of her sin and need for
02:14:15 repentance and our savior Yeshua does
02:14:18 not save
02:14:19 anyone and that’s by sugarcoated right
02:14:22 anyways that’s what most churches have
02:14:25 but on just on the character of God
02:14:29 you’ll like this bottom picture because
02:14:32 here’s the law and then here’s
02:14:34 attributes of Elohim oh good holy just
02:14:38 true perfect not bsome light love
02:14:41 righteous pure spiritual unchangeable
02:14:44 Eternal and now this is just a short
02:14:46 little mean but this hopefully gets
02:14:48 plants the seed in your mind the law
02:14:51 Torah teaches you how to be like Yeshua
02:14:56 and if we’re not like him we won’t
02:14:58 recognize him when he comes and then
02:15:01 we’re in big trouble nor will we nor
02:15:04 will we recognize true
02:15:06 servants nor will we come under his
02:15:10 authority because we won’t know what his
02:15:12 authority
02:15:14 is because we won’t recognize it
02:15:18 but just to kind of emphasize some of
02:15:20 the the a lot of these things go
02:15:23 together and you might be getting
02:15:25 overloaded sorry about that it’s yeah I
02:15:29 mean it it is a little bit of an
02:15:30 overload but at the same time it’s a lot
02:15:32 of things I’ve been thinking about a lot
02:15:34 so it’s it’s not too over it’s not too
02:15:37 bad it’s it’s making more
02:15:40 sense why we’re trying to answer
02:15:42 questions that’s back and forth so that
02:15:44 way we don’t go too much where
02:15:47 here all things you can do post I just
02:15:50 kind of lay out and I hopefully I laid
02:15:52 it out enough for everybody to
02:15:53 understand it because there’s no
02:15:55 feedback here like we have in these Zoom
02:15:58 sessions yeah so where were we here
02:16:03 H I know we did mind so Sun being the F
02:16:07 fil okay somewhere around there oh
02:16:09 there’s the one so maybe a little after
02:16:11 that okay there we are there we are
02:16:14 there I see it I see it okay filling all
02:16:16 in all the sun being filled with the
02:16:18 fullness of the Mind glory and power or
02:16:20 another other words the spirit glory and
02:16:23 power of the father possessing all
02:16:24 knowledge and glory and the same Kingdom
02:16:28 sitting at the right hand of power in
02:16:31 the express image and likeness of the
02:16:33 father a mediator for man being filled
02:16:36 with the fullness of the mind of the
02:16:38 father or in other words the spirit of
02:16:41 the Father which spirit is shed forth
02:16:44 upon all those who believe on his name
02:16:46 and keep his commandments so how can the
02:16:49 spirit be shed forth on all those who
02:16:51 keep his name who believe on his name
02:16:53 and keep his Commandments unless it is
02:16:55 somewhat connected to the Commandments
02:16:57 right so now look at
02:16:59 this name has multiple meanings so I I
02:17:02 just want to show you one thing that I
02:17:04 bring out from The Book of Mormon and
02:17:05 talk a little bit in here about name
02:17:08 okay
02:17:10 uh because name also means
02:17:14 character yes so since I’m tring a
02:17:17 little bit I’m gonna take this one over
02:17:18 to give bin a break okay but I’m just
02:17:22 unless you know a lot of these
02:17:24 definitions a lot of things will move
02:17:27 just go over you because you don’t catch
02:17:29 it
02:17:30 okay name has multiple meanings one
02:17:33 meaning of name is
02:17:36 Authority but currently I actually
02:17:40 believe more importantly it’s the
02:17:44 character because if you’re not like
02:17:47 Yahweh you won’t recognize Yahweh
02:17:52 and then you have a big
02:17:55 problem so
02:17:58 um we can go look at the definition I
02:18:01 don’t I don’t remember if I actually put
02:18:03 the definition I think I just did the
02:18:04 quote but go look at this I I just put
02:18:08 the link fact maybe we’ll go do that
02:18:10 real
02:18:13 quick um well reputation character yeah
02:18:18 see reputation
02:18:21 character that’s about how you do things
02:18:24 and who you are
02:18:27 right um so let’s look at the
02:18:29 definitions of name the thing which
02:18:32 you’re called okay everybody knows that
02:18:33 definition
02:18:35 right well yeah any you explain that to
02:18:39 me today’s society all
02:18:43 right letters written on a gr okay so
02:18:46 that’s just writing out a name it
02:18:48 represents a person but here’s I think
02:18:52 four more important one the reputation
02:18:55 the character of that person which is
02:18:59 commonly said of a person as a good name
02:19:02 versus a bad
02:19:03 name their Renown their Fame their honor
02:19:08 their celebrity Eminence praise what
02:19:12 they get praised
02:19:13 for and
02:19:16 distinction Fact one of the things and I
02:19:19 put it up
02:19:23 sometimes I wonder how these things get
02:19:25 so long
02:19:35 sorry okay so single note
02:19:40 Hebrew Eternal using a Hebrew way of
02:19:44 thinking that you are named after the
02:19:47 attributes and characteristics one has
02:19:51 and Yahweh Elohim is eternal that’s why
02:19:54 his name is eternal because he has that
02:19:57 aspect to him and that is a Hebrew way
02:20:01 of thinking you’re named after your
02:20:03 character and your
02:20:04 attributes okay which actually goes
02:20:08 along with a dictionary definition that
02:20:10 most people don’t know anymore right
02:20:13 because most people when they think a
02:20:14 name they just think definition one what
02:20:17 you’re called yeah they don’t think a
02:20:19 reputation Renown what you’re remembered
02:20:22 for
02:20:24 right uh your parents your sound your
02:20:29 Authority see there’s that Authority uh
02:20:31 idiom it’s even in the
02:20:34 dictionary uh assumed character like how
02:20:37 you act right um the name of God
02:20:41 signifies his titles which is going off
02:20:43 of that Hebrew thing that I was just
02:20:45 telling you about right so it’s even in
02:20:48 the dictionary
02:20:52 issue
02:20:54 posterity um yeah your kids have your
02:20:56 name you’re supposed to take on the name
02:20:59 of God
02:21:01 right his character
02:21:06 uh to give any person a sound or
02:21:09 combination yeah that’s just mention by
02:21:12 name
02:21:13 denominate title so entitle would be you
02:21:17 know kind of like your you’re your title
02:21:20 your name kind of goes together right
02:21:22 like my kids call me dad that’s my title
02:21:25 not my uhuh depending how technical
02:21:29 English modern or ancient you want to
02:21:31 get that that’s a title not a name but
02:21:33 according to
02:21:34 1828 it’s actually a
02:21:37 name but anyways okay um now let’s go
02:21:44 back did you read all that sorry
02:21:51 uh okay mosiah 5 right uh and now it
02:21:55 came to pass that whosoever doeth this
02:21:58 doing the
02:22:00 action the gospel is about a gospel of
02:22:04 becoming and you show that you’ve become
02:22:07 by your doing uh James you can show me
02:22:11 your faith by your words I’ll show you
02:22:15 my faith by my
02:22:18 actions now James was was the head of
02:22:21 the
02:22:23 church right so he he knew a little
02:22:28 bit I think you official title of that
02:22:31 particular James was Bishop of Jerusalem
02:22:34 oh yeah but that was the head of the
02:22:36 church yeah uh where the apostles are
02:22:39 the head of uh missionary work right
02:22:42 that’s right two different fractions but
02:22:43 that that’s a in fact acts 15 who made
02:22:47 the decision is James yeah that’s true
02:22:51 not the apostles that’s actually goes
02:22:54 along with what Joseph Smith taught it
02:22:57 actually go taught in the DNC it
02:23:00 actually goes the way church was
02:23:02 originally organized rather than the
02:23:04 apostles had very little authority
02:23:06 outside of the mission field well they
02:23:07 had no Authority outside the mission
02:23:09 right none I mean they could sit
02:23:12 together and talk with things but they
02:23:14 had no power to influence the
02:23:17 church they were only there to discuss
02:23:19 just like an 15 they were there to
02:23:21 discuss and help
02:23:24 talk yep I’ll be more
02:23:30 quiet yeah I’m sorry I
02:23:34 get yeah I get excited I’ll be more
02:23:41 careful if I talk loud remind me I need
02:23:44 to be
02:23:45 quiet you w yeah I I get excited
02:23:50 you wake up the baby no I woke up my
02:23:53 wife well she is my baby but anyways
02:23:59 um okay so and it came to pass that
02:24:01 whosoever doeth this shall be found at
02:24:04 the right hand so that’s a designation
02:24:08 because of your character of Elohim for
02:24:11 ye he shall know the name oh I should
02:24:14 have made that caps thing it oh well he
02:24:18 shall know the character by which you
02:24:20 are called or
02:24:23 designated for
02:24:25 he shall
02:24:27 be designated by the
02:24:30 character of the anointed one now I I
02:24:33 bring out anointed one instead of the
02:24:35 Messiah on purpose because the Messiah
02:24:38 was anointed with the spirit which is
02:24:43 the law
02:24:45 right he got anointed by the law
02:24:49 M which is what made him his character
02:24:53 right anyways that’s why he’s bringing
02:24:55 out the anointing you must be just well
02:24:59 you know and that’s really interesting
02:25:01 that you have that type among the people
02:25:04 children of Israel as they
02:25:06 traveling wherein Aaron gets anointed
02:25:10 Aaron and his sons get anointed
02:25:12 according to the law which was given to
02:25:14 them
02:25:15 [Music]
02:25:17 by by Yahweh by y
02:25:21 yeah or or Yeshua because it’s the same
02:25:25 entity right yeah um but yeah
02:25:29 there some people Christians
02:25:32 specifically will say the Holy Spirit
02:25:35 was new in the New Testament no it’s in
02:25:37 the Old Testament it’s all over the Old
02:25:40 Testament
02:25:42 um they they a lot of people clean onto
02:25:46 these cliches that have no basis in them
02:25:49 because they sound nice and it makes
02:25:51 them feel warm and
02:25:53 fuzzy and that they think Yeshua changed
02:25:56 things no he I’m sorry he didn’t he
02:26:00 worked out our the atonement so that we
02:26:02 could be
02:26:05 saved he didn’t change things he’s
02:26:08 actually a restorer like Yeshua was just
02:26:12 as Moses
02:26:14 was um there’s nothing new Under the Sun
02:26:18 right but anyways
02:26:20 um but he must be designated by some
02:26:25 other
02:26:26 character so either you’re whoever will
02:26:30 not take on themselves the character the
02:26:32 anointed one must be designated by some
02:26:34 other character right right so you’re
02:26:36 either there’s two churches right one of
02:26:40 Elohim and one of
02:26:41 Satan there’s ultimately two
02:26:44 characters one of Yahweh and one of
02:26:47 Satan so which character do you want to
02:26:49 be who do you want to be like Yahweh or
02:26:52 Satan do you want do you choose the good
02:26:55 or do you choose the evil because you
02:26:57 get to pick one of the other you don’t
02:26:59 get to pick the consequences but you can
02:27:01 pick which one you want to follow so
02:27:04 which character and you must be
02:27:06 designated by some other character
02:27:09 therefore he findeth himself on the left
02:27:11 hand of Elam so the bad
02:27:14 Satan and I would that you should
02:27:17 remember also that it is the character
02:27:21 that I said unto you I should give unto
02:27:23 you that should never be blotted out
02:27:25 okay so I’m going to go down a little
02:27:30 bit let’s focus on this
02:27:33 one so the point of this one is to show
02:27:36 how when you sin you forget God’s law
02:27:40 okay which goes along with the character
02:27:43 if you
02:27:44 sin your this character gets blotted out
02:27:47 or you forget it just like if
02:27:50 you um oh your brother’s coming in um
02:27:54 let’s see Andrew hey
02:27:57 Andrew
02:27:59 hi uh he’s connecting the audio hi
02:28:04 Andrew pause a little bit hold
02:28:09 on um because this actually goes along
02:28:12 with my briam S post but
02:28:17 um it it’s oh it it it’s to defeat and
02:28:21 show how this statement from B Bigham
02:28:24 young is just evil but I’ll I’m biased
02:28:29 but when I try to show it out to people
02:28:30 I I try to be um very scriptural based
02:28:35 on it okay
02:28:38 right so uh this is a good one right
02:28:42 here 1 Corinthians 7 15- 16 and I even
02:28:47 brought out a kism on this I I like KMS
02:28:51 if you guys haven’t noticed oh
02:28:55 yeah if you go read the all things you
02:28:57 must do it’s full of KMS I think I
02:29:01 counted like 101 KMS I put in that thing
02:29:04 full KMS I put some some additional
02:29:07 partial ones in there but I didn’t count
02:29:08 those so I have 101 if I remember
02:29:10 correctly but anyways
02:29:13 nice so this is a real good one for you
02:29:18 um and unto the I command yet not
02:29:23 but but thus saith Yahweh so this is
02:29:28 this is what’s going on this is a thus
02:29:29 sayith okay right right let not the wife
02:29:34 depart from her
02:29:36 husband but if she depart let her remain
02:29:39 unmarried or be or to be reconciled to
02:29:43 the
02:29:43 husband and let not the husband put away
02:29:48 or not take care of his wife
02:29:52 but to the rest speak so this is saying
02:29:56 now I’m going to
02:29:57 expound what Yahweh just said okay so
02:30:01 this is follows the pattern in uh Mormon
02:30:04 8 my for favorite example of this
02:30:07 anyways there’s other
02:30:08 places right
02:30:10 um so I’m expounding not yeh if any
02:30:15 brother hath a wife that believeth not
02:30:18 and she believeth
02:30:20 is pleased to dwell with him let him not
02:30:24 put her away you know get rid of her
02:30:25 don’t take care of her and the woman
02:30:28 which hath a husband that believeth not
02:30:30 and if he is pleased to dwell with her
02:30:32 so you know that that one’s an important
02:30:34 one so if the husband doesn’t believe
02:30:37 but he’s still willing to to be with the
02:30:40 believer the wife shouldn’t put him away
02:30:43 just vice versa for the um husband
02:30:47 husband and wife um and so these two
02:30:50 kind of go together because they’re
02:30:51 saying the same thing but just opposite
02:30:53 directions husbands and wife right right
02:30:56 uhuh
02:30:58 um and then for the unbelieving husband
02:31:01 is Sanctified by the wife and the
02:31:04 unbelieving wife is Sanctified by the
02:31:07 husband uh else your children un will be
02:31:11 unclean but now are they holy so they
02:31:15 the children can become clean because of
02:31:17 the believing spouse right but if
02:31:21 you but if the unbelieving depart let
02:31:25 him or her
02:31:26 depart brother or sister is not under
02:31:30 the bondage of such
02:31:32 case but Ellum ha called us to Peace So
02:31:36 if she does leave be at peace
02:31:41 but if she’s a Believer hopefully she
02:31:44 believes this verse right and so she
02:31:46 shouldn’t be leaving you but anyways um
02:31:50 for what thou knowest thou oh wife
02:31:53 wherefore Thou shalt save thy husband oh
02:31:56 thou knowest thou oh man whether Thou
02:31:58 shalt save thy
02:32:00 wife so there are cases for divorce okay
02:32:04 so I’m not saying never get divorced but
02:32:06 I’m saying in especially in the case
02:32:10 of differencing of
02:32:13 beliefs yeah uh you it’s not a reason to
02:32:16 get divorced because in fact here no
02:32:19 matter what side of the argu argument
02:32:21 you think you’re on whether you’re if
02:32:23 you’re on the believing side you
02:32:26 shouldn’t believe you’re
02:32:28 unbelieving
02:32:30 spouse yeah in a lot of cases when
02:32:32 there’s a faith transition both sides
02:32:35 think they’re the believing one right so
02:32:37 they shouldn’t be leaving each other so
02:32:40 there’s no just if ANS or butts about
02:32:42 that so um well and my in my particular
02:32:47 situation though it’s more like
02:32:51 um yeah I’m I’m not going to initiate
02:32:53 anything like that right that that would
02:32:56 not be something that I have wanted to
02:32:59 do or ever will do um she keeps throwing
02:33:04 it in my face though right and I’m
02:33:06 saying you know and so it’s
02:33:09 like if she’s a to be a believer in the
02:33:12 New Testament uh here’s a a verse to
02:33:16 look at with her uh I have some more if
02:33:19 you want
02:33:22 um so this part is this 1 Corinthians
02:33:26 7:25 through 29 is basically saying this
02:33:29 part below is those who are in the
02:33:33 ministry so missionary versus the church
02:33:38 because there’s
02:33:40 two
02:33:41 organizations in a way that things
02:33:43 should be organized there should be the
02:33:45 church and then there should be the
02:33:48 missionary or the world stuff okay
02:33:50 and when you’re a
02:33:52 missionary um you can be married as you
02:33:55 States here but it’s still not the best
02:33:57 but this is mainly what this latter part
02:34:00 is talking to is to people who are on
02:34:03 their missions okay but it still has
02:34:06 some good things in it okay um for
02:34:10 example uh take care of your wife or
02:34:13 take care of your husband but primarily
02:34:15 the missionaries are men but girls can
02:34:17 be
02:34:18 missionaries um if
02:34:20 fact um this kind of brings out this
02:34:24 translation brings out the interesting
02:34:26 debate of what virgin means but I don’t
02:34:28 know if we want to Sidetrack on that
02:34:32 um their husband and wife she’s not a
02:34:35 Greek virgin but anyways I’ll leave it
02:34:38 at that yeah
02:34:42 um I speak on profit so it’s just you
02:34:46 know if you’re on a missionary if you’re
02:34:48 on a mission it’s hard to focus on your
02:34:50 spouse and take care of her which is
02:34:52 what you actually promise to do when you
02:34:53 get married so it’s it’s not a good
02:34:56 arrangement to be a missionary and marri
02:34:59 right goes into virgin which is the same
02:35:03 stanas
02:35:06 um need no require let him he that have
02:35:10 promise so do what you promise so here
02:35:12 here’s maybe where we start getting some
02:35:14 good
02:35:15 ones uh and if men think that he behave
02:35:19 uncommonly or unproperly towards his
02:35:22 wife whom he hath espoused if she
02:35:26 passes the flower age or you know starts
02:35:29 getting
02:35:30 old yeah and need so require let him do
02:35:35 which he hath promised and so this can
02:35:37 go both ways right because you both make
02:35:40 promises let him do what he that
02:35:42 promised and if you do what you promised
02:35:45 you don’t sin and then it’s okay to be
02:35:48 married right nevertheless he that
02:35:51 standeth steadfast in his heart which
02:35:53 goes along uh let him doth what he
02:35:55 promised which pagos enduring to the end
02:35:59 right
02:36:02 right having no necessity but having
02:36:05 power over his will so power over his
02:36:09 wills mean doing what you
02:36:11 promised uh which goes up with this one
02:36:16 doing what is so required right over
02:36:20 your and having
02:36:22 so deceased in his heart that he will
02:36:25 keep his spouse his wife um doeth
02:36:32 well keep your
02:36:35 spouse yeah uh though it’s this is
02:36:39 specifically talking to missionaries but
02:36:41 that is
02:36:42 good
02:36:44 um generally speaking good advice good
02:36:47 advice that’s what it’s just good advice
02:36:49 period
02:36:50 but but she is happier if if she so
02:36:53 abide after my judgment and I think that
02:36:56 the spirit of Elohim anyways so that the
02:36:59 last part right there of this is just
02:37:02 good general
02:37:04 advice um 1 Peter 3
02:37:08 1-2 U actually let’s do this one because
02:37:10 this one’s actually more full yeah uh
02:37:15 you want to read this one Ben give me a
02:37:16 break okay likewise e wives be in
02:37:20 subjection to your own
02:37:22 husbands that if in that if any obey not
02:37:26 the word they also May without the word
02:37:30 be won by the conversation of the wives
02:37:33 while they behold your chased
02:37:35 [Music]
02:37:37 conversation yeah what pick up sorry I’m
02:37:40 here I’m picking up an order Target
02:37:42 sorry sorry my apologies who’s adorning
02:37:46 let it who’s adorning let it not be that
02:37:50 outward adorning of platting the hair
02:37:53 and of wearing of gold or of putting on
02:37:55 of apparel but let it be the hidden
02:37:57 written man of the heart then that which
02:38:00 is this is just trying to get out
02:38:02 without writing too much it’s supposed
02:38:03 to be written on your heart yep and that
02:38:06 which is not corruptible even the
02:38:08 ornament of a Meek and quiet Spirit
02:38:10 which is which is in the sight of Elohim
02:38:13 of great price for after this manner of
02:38:16 old time the holy women also so what’s a
02:38:18 great price it’s written on your heart
02:38:21 which is where Torah is supposed to be
02:38:23 right which that’s why yeah that’s why
02:38:26 you have those two in the same stand is
02:38:27 that why it’s called the pearl of great
02:38:30 price
02:38:32 yeah no that’s not why that one’s called
02:38:34 the pearl of great
02:38:35 price no the offering the offering of
02:38:39 the heart
02:38:42 idiot yeah Ben was not being the nicest
02:38:47 there um I I think Matt was bringing out
02:38:51 a good point though yeah he is he is but
02:38:54 yes that’s the pro of great price is our
02:38:56 heart that was written on the
02:39:00 heart anyway for after this for after
02:39:02 this manner in the old time the holy
02:39:04 woman also who trusted in God Adorn
02:39:07 themselves and Trust in Elohim adorned
02:39:10 themselves
02:39:12 husband even as Sarah obeyed Abraham
02:39:16 calling him Lord whose daughter she are
02:39:18 as long as do well and are not afraid
02:39:21 with any amazement likewise ye husbands
02:39:24 dwell with them according to
02:39:27 knowledge law Torah giving honor unto
02:39:30 the wife as unto the weaker vessel and
02:39:32 as being HS together in the grace of
02:39:34 life that your prayers be not hindered
02:39:37 for neither is the man basically for
02:39:38 neither is The Man Without The Woman nor
02:39:40 the woman without the man of the Lord
02:39:42 yeah
02:39:44 um um you want to read another one yeah
02:39:47 I can that’s a short one or let me do
02:39:49 this short one and then you can do the
02:39:50 next long one if that’s okay okay
02:39:52 that’ll be fine Ephesians
02:39:55 4:32 and be ye kind one to another
02:39:59 tender
02:40:01 heart forgiving one
02:40:04 another even as Elohim for the messiah’s
02:40:08 sake hath forgiven you so if you’re
02:40:11 forgiving another you’re not holding
02:40:13 past things against you or even current
02:40:16 things against each other to separate
02:40:19 and get divorced
02:40:22 right you it doesn’t mean that you still
02:40:24 talk about it and work things out it
02:40:27 just means you’re not holding it against
02:40:28 them to the point that you’re going to
02:40:30 separate right yeah well and
02:40:34 and what I’m trying to figure out is how
02:40:37 to not respond when that is happening on
02:40:40 the other side you know what I’m saying
02:40:41 because like it’s really easy to just
02:40:44 like respond in kind if that makes sense
02:40:47 sure sure yeah
02:40:49 I just I’ve done it in the past because
02:40:53 yeah there’s some pride involved in that
02:40:57 yeah let go of it it it’s hard but let
02:41:01 go of it mortify the natural man in fact
02:41:07 um in fact maybe this is the one I I
02:41:10 actually this is a good timing so I’ll
02:41:14 read this yeah okay submitting
02:41:17 yourselves one to another in the fear of
02:41:19 Elohim wives submit yourselves unto your
02:41:22 own husbands as unto the Lord as unto
02:41:24 Yahweh for the husband is the head of
02:41:27 the wife even as even as the as as the M
02:41:32 the Messiah is the head of the church
02:41:35 and he is the savior of the body
02:41:37 therefore as the church is subject unto
02:41:40 messah so let the wives be to their own
02:41:44 husbands in everything husbands love
02:41:47 your wives
02:41:50 even as mashiach also loved the church
02:41:53 and gave himself for it that he might
02:41:56 sanctify that is
02:41:58 not something to trifle with no it is
02:42:03 not if you’re ask if you can I mean
02:42:06 because there’s other things you need to
02:42:08 do but if she asks you to do something
02:42:10 around the house
02:42:12 yeah um give yourself to her and do the
02:42:18 things that she asked just as Yeshua
02:42:20 gave himself for the church Yeshua gave
02:42:24 up his
02:42:26 life for
02:42:28 us us as husbands need to give up our
02:42:32 life meaning things that we
02:42:36 want for the
02:42:41 wife so as long as she’s not asking us
02:42:44 to break Torah do what she asks
02:42:53 yeah okay go ahead Matt I mean sorry
02:42:57 that he might sanctify and cleanse it
02:43:00 with the washing of Water by the
02:43:02 word that he might present it to himself
02:43:07 a glorious
02:43:08 church not having spot or wrinkle or any
02:43:11 such
02:43:12 thing but that it should be Hol and
02:43:15 without
02:43:15 blemish so ought men to love their wives
02:43:19 as their own
02:43:21 bodies he that loveth his wife loveth
02:43:25 himself for no man ever yet hated his
02:43:28 own flesh that nourisheth and cherisheth
02:43:30 it and even as the Lord and even as
02:43:34 Yahweh the church where we are members
02:43:36 of his body of his hold hold on one
02:43:38 minute
02:43:39 so um do you know what imagery that’s
02:43:42 going off of
02:43:44 Andrew repeat that again real quick
02:43:46 sorry for no man ever yet hated his own
02:43:50 flesh but nourisheth it and cherisheth
02:43:53 it even as Yahweh the
02:43:57 church what imagery is
02:44:00 that help me out
02:44:04 Genesis oh
02:44:09 okay so in was it Genesis
02:44:13 2 the husband and wife become yes become
02:44:16 one flesh so your wife
02:44:20 is your flesh and for kley your husband
02:44:24 is your flesh you are one in the sights
02:44:28 of
02:44:29 Yahweh so this is why he can say for no
02:44:33 man yet hated his own
02:44:36 flesh and bring it how that’s how Yahweh
02:44:39 views us when was that’s why he gave so
02:44:42 so the question to
02:44:45 ask anybody if they’re having when we’re
02:44:48 when
02:44:49 the question to ask anybody if if they
02:44:52 ask you to help settle a marriage
02:44:54 dispute is when was the last time you
02:44:56 looked at your significant other is your
02:44:59 own
02:45:01 flesh yeah because that it would
02:45:05 probably it
02:45:07 it’s I have my own problems here and I’m
02:45:10 getting better uh I think my wife would
02:45:12 agree well on both parts on that so
02:45:15 anyway
02:45:17 um it in the moment it can be
02:45:20 hard right yeah after the fact you can
02:45:25 think about it but that’s where you then
02:45:27 leave the Altar and go and I’m bringing
02:45:30 new test or Sermon on the Mount sermon
02:45:32 at the temple imagery leave the Altar
02:45:34 and then go ask for forgiveness and then
02:45:37 go back to the
02:45:40 altar so when you realize what you did
02:45:43 something wrong suck up your pride and
02:45:46 go say sorry
02:45:50 I and I I I unless someone’s really
02:45:55 hard-hearted they’ll probably accept
02:45:57 that right yeah in fact they’ll probably
02:46:01 be grateful for it more than just accept
02:46:04 it um I’ve seen that
02:46:09 myself um so yeah anyways okay go ahead
02:46:14 for we are members of his body of his
02:46:17 flesh and of his bones see now how I
02:46:20 just said that this this is referring to
02:46:23 the church as the Bride of Yeshua right
02:46:25 right and as I was saying how he’s
02:46:27 saying the husband and wife are one
02:46:28 flesh and here and here then it went I
02:46:32 forgot about this part but anyways he’s
02:46:34 then going into
02:46:36 how we as the body of Yeshua is his
02:46:39 flesh
02:46:40 because we are his bride right going off
02:46:44 the same
02:46:45 Imaging so it’s interesting though his
02:46:48 body
02:46:50 the Flesh and the bones and I I think I
02:46:54 I I go back and forth if I want to bring
02:46:56 glyphs in it kind of help bring out this
02:46:57 imagery but flesh is
02:47:00 Commandments Sacrament
02:47:02 right and the Mana that fell from heaven
02:47:05 and the bones is the law but
02:47:09 anyways which just means that we’re have
02:47:11 to have the law Tor written on our inner
02:47:14 hearts and that’s from the scriptures
02:47:16 it’s not just the heart but our inner
02:47:20 Hearts yeah and we are to consume his
02:47:23 flesh which helps us become one of his
02:47:26 flesh right anyways the imagery here is
02:47:29 beautiful yeah um and for this cause and
02:47:34 for this cause shall a man leave his
02:47:35 father and
02:47:37 mother yeah not too hard for us and
02:47:40 shall be joined onto his wife you sure
02:47:43 about
02:47:47 that two shall be one flesh this is a
02:47:51 great mystery but I speak concerning
02:47:54 mesah and the church nevertheless let
02:47:57 every one of you in particular so love
02:47:59 his wife even as himself and the wife
02:48:02 see that she reverence her
02:48:06 husband and even if the other doesn’t go
02:48:09 that way you still need to do it
02:48:10 yourself right correct and fact you
02:48:13 always expect the other one to do it
02:48:16 first it’s never going to happen oh no
02:48:18 I’m not about just expecting to do it
02:48:20 first I’m just saying regardless of
02:48:23 whether or not it’s reciprocated you’re
02:48:24 still responsible for your end right oh
02:48:27 right right oh
02:48:28 yeah so I thought that was a
02:48:32 given well you never know really separ
02:48:36 yeah I think that depends on who you
02:48:37 talk
02:48:38 [Laughter]
02:48:42 to sorry was I too
02:48:46 direct no that’s cool
02:48:48 [Music]
02:48:54 but yeah that’s uh that’s actually
02:48:56 really cool right I have some more give
02:48:59 me one second I’m trying to get in a
02:49:02 minute um okay so we so we can do these
02:49:06 ones these
02:49:07 ones as you can see I’ve been
02:49:10 working it’s not maybe always visible
02:49:13 but these are um all have to do with the
02:49:17 briam S post
02:49:19 uh and working to show how that that
02:49:23 statement from bam young is false um
02:49:27 anyway yeah I can see I can see how
02:49:28 they’re related to it yeah because you
02:49:31 probably know the quote in fact yep here
02:49:34 let me just show keesley and Andrew real
02:49:37 quick the actual quote to give
02:49:40 them it’s gross guys it’s gross uh yeah
02:49:44 but since we’re kind of reading some of
02:49:45 the stuff that I’m actually doing to
02:49:46 prepare for the post I have some of it
02:49:49 but I’m working on some other parts so
02:49:51 but which which which statement that he
02:49:54 said was gross I me there’s a lot of oh
02:49:56 there’s a lot
02:50:00 but it would probably better say which
02:50:02 statement isn’t gross but
02:50:07 anyways you never told me why you were
02:50:09 biased Stephen why you biased because
02:50:12 I’ve read Brigham Young’s
02:50:14 statements and um have you read my king
02:50:17 Brigham post if not you
02:50:20 should
02:50:22 yeah I I mosiah 11 through 22 23 I I I
02:50:29 really show my sleeves on what I think
02:50:31 of briam
02:50:33 young by Point um if people think what
02:50:38 king Noah was bad they should think what
02:50:41 king Brigham was bad also because
02:50:43 they’re Point by point but
02:50:47 anyways right
02:50:49 right right in line with each other
02:50:52 which where’s that
02:50:55 quote Oh this one this one bam young
02:50:59 1861 October 8th General Conference the
02:51:02 and also in the complete discourses of
02:51:05 Brigham Young compiled by Richard yes
02:51:09 Wagner and here’s also where you can get
02:51:11 it off the internet from somebody else
02:51:14 this other second path a woman may take
02:51:17 if she can get it chance and do it start
02:51:21 here I I I went and looked at the whole
02:51:24 text and and gave a little more
02:51:27 context I now inform every one of my
02:51:29 sisters that when they come to get a
02:51:32 divorce paying me $10 for it you may
02:51:36 just as well tear off a piece of your
02:51:39 shirt tail and Lay It by and call it a
02:51:41 divorce so far as any as any good that
02:51:44 piece of paper called the divorce will
02:51:46 do you so saying don’t do that it’s
02:51:49 pointless is what he’s saying right
02:51:51 don’t get
02:51:53 divorced which is contrary to the
02:51:55 scriptures we can get into that later
02:51:57 but anyways how can a woman be made free
02:51:59 from a man to whom she has been sealed
02:52:01 for time and for all eternity there are
02:52:03 two ways instead of despising him she
02:52:07 she would feel like worshiping him he is
02:52:09 so holy so pure so perfect and so filled
02:52:12 with God in his resurrected
02:52:17 body uh I’m just kind of trying to make
02:52:19 the context a little more more clear
02:52:23 yeah so she shouldn’t be wanting to
02:52:25 divorce him he should be worshiping him
02:52:27 are you kidding me this other second
02:52:31 path a woman may take if she can get a
02:52:34 chance and do it leave her husband in
02:52:37 accordance with the order of Heaven if a
02:52:40 woman can find a man holding the keys of
02:52:42 the priesthood with higher power and
02:52:44 authority than her husband and he this
02:52:47 one okay he ised to take her he can do
02:52:52 so otherwise she has got to remain where
02:52:54 she is this is the second way in which a
02:52:57 woman can leave her husband to whom she
02:52:58 has been sealed for time and all
02:53:00 eternity in either of these ways of of
02:53:03 Separation you can consider there is no
02:53:05 need for a bill of divorcement to
02:53:08 recapitulate First a man forfeits his
02:53:10 Covenant with a wife or wives becoming
02:53:12 unfaithful to his God Elohim and his
02:53:15 priesthood that wife and wives are free
02:53:17 from him without a bill of divorcement
02:53:19 second if a woman Pro claims protection
02:53:23 exemption at the hands of a man
02:53:26 possessing more power in the priesthood
02:53:28 and higher keys if he is disposed to
02:53:31 rescue her and has obtained the consent
02:53:33 of her husb to make his wife he can do
02:53:37 so without a bill of
02:53:39 divorcement what M sorry so protection
02:53:43 it’s not just that they’re being abused
02:53:46 it’s an exception meaning
02:53:48 yeah they don’t have to be married
02:53:50 anymore and here I am bringing out the
02:53:52 dictionary proving that
02:53:55 again D dictionary
02:53:58 sorry and then here’s somebody else who
02:54:00 heard bgy M give this talk and he says
02:54:03 pretty much the same thing right young
02:54:05 spoke on the order of sealing for Time
02:54:07 and Eternity said that his remarks would
02:54:09 not be published and for all to pay good
02:54:12 attention and hear correctly he said
02:54:13 that a divorce was of no use could a
02:54:16 woman be freed from a man yes in two way
02:54:18 only first if a man forfeits his
02:54:20 priesthood second if the man is faithful
02:54:23 but the wife is not satisfied then she
02:54:25 can find a man holding a higher
02:54:27 priesthood than her husband that will
02:54:29 take her he could do so with he can do
02:54:31 so without any divorce so the the main
02:54:37 gist of this so here’s the full title
02:54:40 King David S and Brigham Young’s
02:54:43 lust King David was a prophet
02:54:49 who he stole uh BBA from um oh no my
02:54:53 mind just went
02:54:55 blah the hittite he was not a prophet so
02:54:59 he had lesser priesthood quote unquote
02:55:02 right I mean but David was an actual
02:55:06 prophet and had prophecies by this time
02:55:10 so thus he had more priesthood and for
02:55:14 what king briam stated was just in the
02:55:18 law we are shown with King David and
02:55:21 basba was actually a sin that’s the main
02:55:25 gist of this post and I’m just getting
02:55:26 into all the nitty-gritty details of
02:55:31 it so but it’s it’s not done but as you
02:55:34 can see it’s it’s getting there
02:55:40 yeah let’s just look at DNC 121 so briam
02:55:45 young so those po those verses we look
02:55:48 that right is how a believing wife
02:55:52 should not believe in an unbelieving
02:55:55 husband but yet here bam young is
02:55:58 stating this man that this wife is going
02:56:01 to be leaving he still has priesthood so
02:56:03 that means he’s still a
02:56:06 Believer true
02:56:08 which if you’re supposed to stay with an
02:56:11 unbelieving
02:56:12 husband does that mean you can leave a
02:56:15 believing
02:56:16 husband oh wait a minute that means you
02:56:18 shouldn’t be leaving a believing husband
02:56:20 also if you shouldn’t be leaving an
02:56:22 unbelieving husband and so I’m bringing
02:56:25 this one in for a couple things but one
02:56:29 is that briam
02:56:31 Young’s thinking here there has been no
02:56:34 Amen to the priesthood of that man yet
02:56:36 because he still has the priesthood all
02:56:38 right in those quotes yeah so means he’s
02:56:42 believing which is better
02:56:44 than and by teaching such he is actually
02:56:48 exercising Authority and
02:56:51 Power by virtue of the
02:56:54 priesthood now here’s the deal if we’re
02:56:57 told by Paul in First Corinthians I
02:57:01 think is what you read earlier that if
02:57:05 you are a Believer and you’re still
02:57:08 married to a Believer and you don’t
02:57:11 really want to get separ you still stay
02:57:14 together it’s unbeliever a Believer and
02:57:16 an unbeliever no that’s what I’m
02:57:19 saying if the if the husband’s a
02:57:21 Believer and the woman’s not a
02:57:23 Believer then and you still want to stay
02:57:26 together though then you make it work
02:57:29 right right the husband should make it
02:57:31 work do all he can to make it work now
02:57:33 but if the unbelieving
02:57:35 spouse is persistent wants to leave fine
02:57:39 let them but the thing
02:57:42 is in your
02:57:46 situation at least in the past your wife
02:57:48 claimed to be a believer and that you’re
02:57:50 the unbeliever so she shouldn’t be
02:57:54 breaking the marriage because in her
02:57:57 mind she’s the
02:58:00 believer
02:58:02 yeah but what what I’m saying is if that
02:58:05 is the way it’s actually supposed to
02:58:09 be and Brigham’s way
02:58:12 off oh yeah yeah that’s what I’m doing
02:58:15 is I’m trying to destroy well I am
02:58:18 destroying hopefully it’ll settle in
02:58:21 most people’s minds but I I mean people
02:58:23 are biased towards briam young I I will
02:58:26 admit my bias against him but I can show
02:58:28 it from the scriptures
02:58:30 right I’m trying to really from the
02:58:33 scriptures destroy that statement in
02:58:36 fact um in here I we’ll just read one
02:58:40 one other little part so you kind of see
02:58:42 where I’m
02:58:43 going I’ll read this getting back to
02:58:46 what Brigham Young taught about divorce
02:58:48 I see three main problems in what bamum
02:58:53 states direct teachings regarding
02:58:56 divorce including not
02:58:58 necessary contrary to Yeshua
02:59:02 Jesus’s Jes only the scriptures yeah
02:59:05 well this this one number one can get
02:59:08 split up into a couple parts at least
02:59:10 two and I’m going to do at least two
02:59:13 here in the post I don’t know if I’m
02:59:14 going to do more but
02:59:16 anyways uh second that a supposed higher
02:59:19 law can supersede a lower
02:59:22 law which is what ults and Cults do
02:59:26 which is bad um anyways and he is
02:59:31 encouraging women to covet someone
02:59:34 else’s husband with supposed higher
02:59:39 priesthood that’s all in that that
02:59:41 statement there and I’m those are the
02:59:43 three main ones that I’m going to focus
02:59:46 showing how he’s conturing the
02:59:48 scriptures and the first one I’m going
02:59:50 to have at least two points on that one
02:59:53 so I guess I could split it into four
02:59:55 but that’s just a way I’m listing it um
02:59:58 so anyways hopefully this will help
03:00:01 people wake up some
03:00:04 more yeah the facts of the matter are we
03:00:09 were if you were raised in the LDS
03:00:11 church you were raised you were raised
03:00:14 in an occult
03:00:16 organization yeah yeah yeah that
03:00:22 um that was teaching occult things
03:00:26 because this this kind of thing from
03:00:28 briam Young is at the heart of
03:00:30 everything that the church the these
03:00:33 teachings from Brigham younger at the at
03:00:36 the root of everything the church does
03:00:39 and the rotten tree cannot bring forth
03:00:42 the fruit yeah um r i
03:00:45 7 which is actually quoting Torah
03:00:49 Y which was written after the
03:00:52 resurrection right showing that Torah is
03:00:54 still valid
03:00:57 yeah so that is the same yesterday today
03:01:01 and forever and his course is one
03:01:02 Eternal R anyways I I can if you send me
03:01:06 a message I can email these to you
03:01:10 um the mark and Matthew
03:01:13 ones they’re not so good for that aspect
03:01:17 it’s that there but there this is more
03:01:20 dealing with the technicality where
03:01:23 um so Deuteronomy 24134 talks about how
03:01:26 you have to have a the certificate the
03:01:31 paper and you put her
03:01:34 away so in the law it talks about how
03:01:37 you need
03:01:38 both where some of the tricky statements
03:01:40 in the New Testament from
03:01:42 Yeshua is where people where he’s only
03:01:46 talking about one because some of the
03:01:47 tradition
03:01:50 where husbands around yeshua’s mortal
03:01:53 Ministry time they didn’t want to pay
03:01:55 their alimony so they would just send
03:01:57 her out and not give her the divorce so
03:01:59 they didn’t have to do the
03:02:02 alimony so what what exactly is the is
03:02:06 the
03:02:07 um what is it called putting her away
03:02:10 what what exactly does that mean putting
03:02:13 away sending her out of the house okay
03:02:16 there’s that and then there’s in today’s
03:02:18 terminology you’re separated but you’re
03:02:20 still married you’re separated okay
03:02:23 gotta the bill of divorcement would be
03:02:26 like the agreement that you’re gonna pay
03:02:28 such and such to so the divorce is the
03:02:32 where the court actually says you’re
03:02:33 you’re now
03:02:35 divorced oh no no I I I know about what
03:02:38 modern divorce is but what what they’re
03:02:40 talking about there um was it the same
03:02:44 kind of basically I mean some the Maybe
03:02:47 some of the nuances are a little
03:02:49 different but there is the the written
03:02:52 piece of paper that states that you’re
03:02:55 divorced yeah so that way the woman can
03:02:58 take that and show that she’s not an
03:03:01 adulterer when she goes and marries
03:03:03 another
03:03:04 man otherwise she’s liable to get
03:03:08 stoned yes and and the new because they
03:03:13 both because the law says they both have
03:03:14 to get stoned not just one but both man
03:03:18 even if they had no idea
03:03:20 right uh right because then they didn’t
03:03:24 know they were sitting right so that’s
03:03:27 but anyways um but yeah so sending her
03:03:32 away question on that like goe what if
03:03:37 let’s say for
03:03:40 example um the wife decides that she
03:03:42 wants to divorce the
03:03:45 husband and let’s say the house is in
03:03:49 the name of the
03:03:53 in-laws you what I’m saying for the
03:03:55 husband okay so I’m gonna pause a little
03:03:57 bit this is
03:04:00 sorry specific question
03:04:04 shry
03:04:05 so uh
03:04:07 here’s just just marriage in general
03:04:12 this is a good book that I
03:04:15 recommend everybody go listen to too um
03:04:19 okay it it
03:04:24 expounds things in the New Testament
03:04:26 from Paul that it’s easy to glance
03:04:31 over and the couple that did this
03:04:35 book um kind of learned it the hard way
03:04:38 and then it’s trying to help people see
03:04:40 the wisdom of it without trying to find
03:04:42 it the way that they did or not find it
03:04:45 at all yeah right right and they expound
03:04:49 a lot of scriptures on
03:04:51 how the focus is the husband should love
03:04:54 the wife period just as like we kind of
03:04:56 went over in First
03:04:58 Corinthians and Ephesians right just
03:05:01 love your wife period and the other
03:05:04 focus is that the wife should respect
03:05:06 the husband
03:05:09 period and it gets into why it’s
03:05:12 different for the different Sexes and
03:05:15 it’s it’s actually very
03:05:18 very good and based on scriptures I
03:05:21 highly recommend it for anybody good or
03:05:24 bad relationship just to get it better
03:05:26 actually so
03:05:29 okay uh guys I am gonna have to get
03:05:32 going here okay one last thing before
03:05:34 you I’m sorry yeah please one thing that
03:05:38 would also probably help and something
03:05:41 that I have not been the best at I think
03:05:44 it’s in Proverbs something about
03:05:48 the sharp tongue will make an enemy and
03:05:51 a soft tongue will win a friend or
03:05:54 something to that
03:05:57 effect
03:06:01 there’s there’s way how you say it too
03:06:05 and and though at the same time there’s
03:06:08 some things that you say no matter how
03:06:09 you say it people aren’t going to accept
03:06:11 it right but there’s also a place for
03:06:14 saying it a better
03:06:16 way that makes sense anyways I think
03:06:20 that’s from Proverbs if not Proverbs
03:06:21 it’s probably Psalms sounds sounds like
03:06:24 Proverbs you know yeah I think say one
03:06:27 of those Wise Guy sayings you
03:06:29 know
03:06:31 [Laughter]
03:06:33 Wise no that’s that’s good that’s a good
03:06:36 one though for sure
03:06:39 okay well thank you guys
03:06:42 apprciate I I may be able to jump on
03:06:45 here in a little bit but we’ll have to
03:06:46 see um
03:06:48 if you guys are still at it who knows
03:06:50 how long you’re going to go tonight
03:06:52 probably not too much longer
03:06:55 just it’s this Train’s grinding to a
03:06:58 halt I’m telling you
03:07:02 okay all right well thank you so much
03:07:05 hope you guys have a great day or a
03:07:07 great night and give us a call tomorrow
03:07:09 Andy give us a call tomorrow yeah we’ll
03:07:14 do all right take care all right take
03:07:17 care
03:07:20 so um kley we could go back to the all
03:07:23 things post a little bit if you want
03:07:26 or call it a night or whatever you
03:07:30 want just not too
03:07:33 long no I think I think it’ll be good
03:07:36 for me to read over all that stuff and
03:07:38 really get to like you know meditate
03:07:41 about it and think about a little more
03:07:44 for sure I I think um
03:07:47 right now and maybe Ben can give his
03:07:50 opinion too I think out of some of these
03:07:52 things I shared it’s probably more
03:07:53 important for you read all things you
03:07:55 can do right now yeah okay I Ben’s
03:07:59 confirming so there’s your two
03:08:06 witnesses anyways um hopefully you find
03:08:09 it helpful uh I put a lot of love into
03:08:12 that to try to help people okay and I
03:08:16 also understand
03:08:20 it’s fighting against a long held false
03:08:24 Traditions
03:08:26 so if
03:08:28 anything read it slowly and methodically
03:08:32 because
03:08:33 okay I actually don’t bring everything
03:08:36 out that I’m putting in there because
03:08:37 even in the KMS there’s a lot more in
03:08:40 them than I actually just specifically
03:08:42 bring
03:08:43 out um so but
03:08:48 there’s a lot there and it all on your
03:08:51 subject about what you’re trying to
03:08:52 figure out what the holy spirit is uhuh
03:08:55 is the big focus on that one okay and I
03:08:58 mean I do I definitely do feel myself
03:09:01 changing I have noticed a big change
03:09:04 like just wanting to be I don’t know
03:09:08 it’s just easier to be a little bit more
03:09:11 um what’s the word patient with my kids
03:09:14 and stuff you know just that then just
03:09:17 the fact that I’m enjoying and wanting
03:09:20 to be in the scriptures I’ve never felt
03:09:22 that way before in my life you know I’ve
03:09:25 as a younger younger person I just
03:09:27 always would read scriptures really
03:09:30 quickly to say check it off for the day
03:09:32 you know sure which that’s kind of what
03:09:35 they encourage in seminary right yeah
03:09:39 checked Mark did my scripture reading
03:09:41 for the day oh memorized my Scripture
03:09:44 Mastery there we go we’re good to go
03:09:48 y yeah but wanting to dive in the
03:09:50 scripture I’ve definitely noticed a huge
03:09:52 change in that and so and I do think
03:09:55 about you know um the Savior a lot more
03:09:58 during the day and everything than I
03:10:00 used to so I do feel a change I just
03:10:02 have
03:10:03 wondered when that baptism of fire that
03:10:05 everybody talks about will come or well
03:10:08 so this post talks about it at the end
03:10:10 if you want to skip to the end and then
03:10:11 go to the top um but on that here let’s
03:10:15 just um
03:10:19 oops that
03:10:20 one let’s go jump to it real quick
03:10:24 okay
03:10:26 um and the other stuff in it will help
03:10:30 prepare you for
03:10:32 it
03:10:34 but uh
03:10:36 personally what I see from you you’ve
03:10:38 had the baptism of
03:10:39 fire okay uh and I explained that in
03:10:43 detail in here um
03:10:49 is it after this
03:10:52 one
03:10:54 or okay so let me it’s in the summary
03:10:58 that I like the copy yeah there’s the
03:11:00 baptism of fire and then the baptism of
03:11:02 the Holy Ghost okay so here’s a little
03:11:05 part of this post that talks about what
03:11:07 the btis of fire and the Holy Ghost is
03:11:09 okay okay I see it every part of the
03:11:13 doctrine of the Messiah is connected to
03:11:15 his Torah
03:11:17 a repenting and returning to the law
03:11:21 because what is repenting it’s returning
03:11:23 to the
03:11:24 law look at this I even made this into
03:11:26 kism I have chisms on the brain so a
03:11:30 repenting returning the law B baptism of
03:11:33 water is a witness of a covenant already
03:11:36 made to keep all his
03:11:39 Torah which we started looking into but
03:11:41 we didn’t actually finish right but
03:11:45 anyway and so the other Witness here B
03:11:49 baptism of fire is a witness you have
03:11:51 been judged and found with a broken
03:11:55 heart and contrite spirit and you are
03:11:58 then cleansed of your past sins and have
03:12:01 been justified by the Torah because of
03:12:04 yeshua’s
03:12:06 merits what I
03:12:08 see you’ve had that you just like the
03:12:13 lamanites from Helman five didn’t
03:12:16 understand that
03:12:18 uhhuh and which is also mentioned in
03:12:22 359 because they they got it but they
03:12:24 just didn’t know what it was
03:12:26 right I believe that is your situation
03:12:30 now baptism now so look at this B
03:12:33 witness B witness now let’s go to the
03:12:37 other a a is
03:12:40 repenting now here’s where you actually
03:12:42 do it a baptism of the holy spirit is
03:12:45 sanctification by Torah and have it
03:12:49 written on your heart and you seek to
03:12:51 sin no more and have the express image
03:12:54 of Yeshua in your continents that is the
03:12:58 baptism of the Holy Ghost and further up
03:13:01 in the post I get into more details of
03:13:03 that
03:13:05 okay sometimes the doctrine of the
03:13:07 Messiah includes enduring to the end
03:13:10 which is keeping the Commandments to the
03:13:12 end of your life even when the world
03:13:14 will judge you negatively for doing so
03:13:16 which Commandments is
03:13:18 Torah other times it will include
03:13:21 speaking with the tongue of angels which
03:13:23 is simply preaching and teaching Torah
03:13:26 and calling people to repentance which
03:13:28 is telling them to return to yahweh’s
03:13:31 Torah that’s the doctrine of Christ
03:13:34 which includes the baptism of fire which
03:13:37 I believe you’ve
03:13:39 had and the baptism of the Holy Ghost
03:13:42 which is what you’re going
03:13:44 through there there’s a lot of people
03:13:47 who’ve had a baptism of fire and they
03:13:48 have no context with which to know what
03:13:52 to do with it uhhuh so where to go after
03:13:56 yeah second Nephi 28 brings out how
03:13:59 there’s a lot of false preachers out
03:14:01 there deceiving the pure and
03:14:05 heart um that’s still
03:14:08 happening yes most of the teachers out
03:14:11 there will tell you the law is nailed
03:14:15 cross but if go watch two of those
03:14:18 recordings one I show from a quote from
03:14:21 Joseph Smith and tons of quotes from The
03:14:23 Book of Mormon most of them not all of
03:14:25 them that I have that the Torah and law
03:14:28 of Moses are different and then the
03:14:30 other recording is how after yeshua’s
03:14:33 visit after his resurrection the leites
03:14:36 kept Torah and were
03:14:39 condemning the lamanites for not keeping
03:14:42 Torah okay I get I focused on verses
03:14:47 after
03:14:50 35 14 on purpose because that’s after
03:14:53 his visit right okay so there’s tons of
03:14:58 verses in fact I think both of those are
03:15:00 a couple hour long recording yeah
03:15:05 okay well I’ll get cracking this week
03:15:07 then well not that you have to listen to
03:15:09 them all I’m just let you more my point
03:15:11 was saying there this is not just one or
03:15:14 two verses yeah yeah
03:15:17 this is to the point where
03:15:20 there’s no justification to think
03:15:23 anything other this is this is
03:15:26 independent Witnesses from different
03:15:31 Generations yeah on Torah and law of
03:15:36 Moses um but yeah even on the latter
03:15:40 part of uh keeping Torah after the
03:15:42 resurrection that’s still multiple
03:15:44 Generations so that’s true for both
03:15:46 actually yeah
03:15:47 um so
03:15:50 yeah okay well good this was very
03:15:53 helpful
03:15:54 tonight well I’m glad we
03:15:58 try Yeah in our own simple
03:16:06 way I just try to keep the squirrels in
03:16:08 my head racing in the
03:16:11 same I mean that as you can see that can
03:16:15 be a problem but I tried try not to go
03:16:17 too far on squirrels but if we go too
03:16:19 far just bring us back
03:16:24 in I don’t mean to I actually do it to
03:16:27 try to help give more context but some
03:16:29 but man if you expound I can just
03:16:32 expound and I just like to hear myself
03:16:35 talk I guess
03:16:37 right well I can see how you know
03:16:40 everything’s so woven together and so
03:16:43 yeah in fact I I have a post it’s just
03:16:47 anyways the go is like a
03:16:52 hologram the big the one portion has
03:16:56 images of the whole uhuh and that’s
03:17:00 throughout all the
03:17:02 gospel well and that’s the thing is that
03:17:05 uh all truth is connected though it does
03:17:09 stand independent in its own spirit
03:17:18 okay well I think it’s probably a good
03:17:20 time to end thanks for
03:17:22 coming hope next
03:17:25 week yeah thank you for not throwing me
03:17:27 off a zoom call that that was nice of
03:17:32 you uh yeah I well I might be tempted
03:17:36 with your brother sometimes but he’s
03:17:38 connected at your hip so I have to take
03:17:40 you
03:17:42 both oh wait he’s still there I’m GNA
03:17:46 erase that that part I’m just
03:17:47 [Laughter]
03:17:52 kid all righty you guys have a great
03:17:55 night all right see you all next we’ll
03:17:58 see you on Sabbath okay bye bye byee