Scripture Study 2022-11-02

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Talk some about priestcraft. A little about church government. Alma 13 tells us those with the High Priesthood are to call repentance. How converts learn about the Torah. We are to continue to study the word of YHWH. Paul is hard to understand and kept Torah. Read and expounded many scriptures in the Book of Mormon after Yeshua’s visit after His death and resurrection showing Torah is still valid. Show a quote from Joseph Smith and from Lectures on Faith that states we can keep the law. Talked about the different stages of tithing and types. Talk about all things common. The way things are stated in the scriptures is to point us back to Yeshua and His plan. Dead relatives do not come visit use. Talk about LDS / Brighamite temple / Masonic curses. Enforcing Torah would solve many problems in society today. Galatians 5 is listing Torah commandments. What Moroni 7 lists as Charity are commandments found in Torah.

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00:00:00 so uh
00:00:02 okay
00:00:03 so as I was looking as I was looking up
00:00:07 um and stuff regarding monies and priest
00:00:10 craft in the Doctrine and Covenants
00:00:13 um
00:00:14 the most of what a lot of what showed up
00:00:17 was stuff relating to consecration
00:00:21 um okay but there were a couple of good
00:00:24 things about purse or script
00:00:27 uh about going with that person’s script
00:00:30 and that those SEC those sections are
00:00:33 impacted in Covenant section 24 and
00:00:36 section 84.
00:00:38 but and there is a verse in section 33
00:00:41 which talks about how even the humble or
00:00:45 cut are LED that they do air because of
00:00:47 priest craft
00:00:48 so those that would connect it with uh
00:00:51 second impact 28. yeah yeah so but let’s
00:00:56 uh let’s go let’s go in section 24 first
00:00:59 okay so I would imagine if it’s talking
00:01:02 about on a personal script this is
00:01:03 talking to the traveling 12 or 70 right
00:01:06 well at this point the at this point the
00:01:09 Quorum of The Twelve Apostles that
00:01:10 Brigham Young is a part of hasn’t even
00:01:12 been organized oh okay all right
00:01:15 no I don’t know my history too well but
00:01:18 at this point
00:01:20 and even at the point of section 84 that
00:01:23 that Quorum of the 12th hasn’t been
00:01:25 organized
00:01:27 because that Quorum of the 12 was
00:01:29 organized after Zion’s camp
00:01:31 uh yeah I’m I’m not a DNC expert I do
00:01:34 know there are sections that talk about
00:01:36 the traveling 12 but
00:01:38 yeah maybe maybe those are yes they are
00:01:41 they’re greatly they’re greatly
00:01:42 misinterpreted
00:01:44 uh
00:01:45 I think all the a lot of uh
00:01:48 we misinterpreted because people aren’t
00:01:51 aware of the history
00:01:53 uh sure well I maybe we should go over
00:01:56 that sometime because I I don’t know
00:01:58 much LDS history even though and this is
00:02:02 so just to make just to make big bullet
00:02:04 points here yeah it is talking about the
00:02:06 traveling missionaries yes okay
00:02:10 um
00:02:12 it’s not talking about the membership in
00:02:14 general because there’s actually
00:02:16 something in it I I believe there’s
00:02:19 another section
00:02:20 I think it’s 60 and I think it’s section
00:02:22 63 where
00:02:25 somebody is commanded to preach the
00:02:26 gospel in the area where they live but
00:02:28 also to have a job
00:02:30 right and then that
00:02:32 I don’t know where that would really
00:02:34 classify in but
00:02:37 every believer is called to preach but
00:02:41 not the same way as the traveling 12 or
00:02:44 the 70 or people under them right so but
00:02:48 at this point they were still calling
00:02:49 out missionaries and sending them out to
00:02:52 travel without purse or script
00:02:55 and so this this is revelation given to
00:03:00 uh Joseph Smith while the church is
00:03:02 still in Pennsylvania well he’s still in
00:03:04 Pennsylvania
00:03:06 uh section 24.
00:03:08 okay and it starts off talking about
00:03:11 Joseph Smith’s calling and what he’s
00:03:13 supposed to do so behold Dallas called
00:03:16 and chosen to write the Book of Mormon
00:03:17 and to my Ministry
00:03:19 I have lifted thee up out of thine
00:03:22 afflictions and have counseled thee that
00:03:24 thou Hast been delivered from all thine
00:03:25 enemies and thou has been delivered from
00:03:28 the powers of Satan and from Darkness
00:03:31 nevertheless Thou Art not excusable in
00:03:33 thy transgressions
00:03:35 once again he’s calling Joseph Smith the
00:03:38 book
00:03:38 yeah uh throughout the DNC Joe Smith
00:03:42 gets called out to repent well you know
00:03:45 and this in the uh do we is there an
00:03:48 example in the Book of Mormon where a
00:03:49 prophet’s getting called out
00:03:53 um
00:03:54 I’m sure there is but I don’t know one
00:03:56 off top of my head yeah
00:03:59 um extremely high
00:04:01 yes that just comes to mind
00:04:04 um when he was
00:04:06 um complaining in the wilderness so
00:04:08 that’s what I can think of right now but
00:04:11 uh I’m sure there’s others I just don’t
00:04:13 know anything else about my head right
00:04:17 so here we go magnify thine office this
00:04:21 is what he tells Joseph to do
00:04:24 this is always the repent magnify thine
00:04:26 office and after thou has soaked thy
00:04:27 fields and secured them
00:04:29 go speedily to the church we’re seeing
00:04:32 Colesville Fayette and Manchester and
00:04:34 they shall support thee and I will bless
00:04:36 them both spiritually and temporally
00:04:39 but if they receive thee not I will send
00:04:41 upon them a cursing instead of a
00:04:42 blessing
00:04:44 so he’s actually being told after he’s
00:04:46 finished security after he’s finished
00:04:49 carrying the Harvest to go and uh
00:04:52 be supported by the church
00:04:56 so
00:04:57 that’s what it seems like
00:05:01 no and later on it talks about how the
00:05:04 first presidency at least the first
00:05:06 president if not the whole first
00:05:08 presidency can be paid and
00:05:12 the way I look at that is
00:05:15 there
00:05:17 that had Bishops last judge and Bishops
00:05:22 slash judges are paid for their time
00:05:24 yeah yeah okay I see it and that that’s
00:05:27 true and Torah and that’s true in Book
00:05:30 of Mormon also yeah that’s yeah that’s
00:05:32 true I have a post that gets in a lot of
00:05:34 details on that
00:05:36 um my Bishops are judges of Israel
00:05:39 yes brings that out quite a bit
00:05:43 um
00:05:44 so if someone wants to go
00:05:46 see if that’s true or not it is and it
00:05:49 and the DNC states that Bishops should
00:05:52 be paid despite what
00:05:56 um is being done now
00:05:58 right they used to be paid historically
00:06:02 but so
00:06:03 as I see it
00:06:06 um
00:06:08 Joseph Smith was the head Bishop
00:06:11 um it doesn’t exactly say it that way in
00:06:14 the DNC but that’s how I look at it and
00:06:17 I see the same thing with James
00:06:19 in Acts 15. who made the the deciding
00:06:24 decision it was James he was the head
00:06:26 Bishop
00:06:27 presidency
00:06:29 so it’s in the um
00:06:31 books of Acts also it’s just people
00:06:33 don’t make that connection and it wasn’t
00:06:35 the apostles who made that decision
00:06:37 they were there to talk about it but
00:06:39 they have no Authority in the church
00:06:41 right yeah the apostles are traveling
00:06:45 ministers yeah
00:06:49 um anyway
00:06:52 okay but if they receive the night I
00:06:54 will send them a curse instead of
00:06:55 blessing Thou shalt continuing calling
00:06:57 upon God in my name and writing the
00:06:59 things which shall be givenly by the
00:07:01 comforter and expounding all scriptures
00:07:03 onto the church
00:07:05 so Harry’s being called is the teacher
00:07:08 judge
00:07:11 and it shall come and it shall be given
00:07:13 to you in the very moment what Thou
00:07:14 shalt speak and write and they shall
00:07:16 hear it and I will send on to them
00:07:18 or I will send unto them a cursing
00:07:20 instead of a blessing for Thou shalt
00:07:22 devote all thy service in Zion
00:07:24 all thy service in Zion and in this Thou
00:07:27 shalt have strength
00:07:30 so I’m not real worried about this but
00:07:32 I’m just going to say it real quick
00:07:33 since it’s said this word twice I think
00:07:35 Joseph Smith didn’t write he dictated
00:07:38 right at the same time in the book of
00:07:41 Abraham it says written by Abraham’s
00:07:43 hand it wasn’t written by Abraham’s hand
00:07:45 Abraham caused it to be written right so
00:07:49 I mean I’m not worried about it I’m just
00:07:50 kind of bringing it out but oh yeah
00:07:54 um I I don’t have an issue with it
00:07:55 because that’s it that’s it and that’s a
00:07:57 uh
00:07:58 that’s a typical hebraic understanding
00:08:01 of the word speak and write yeah yeah
00:08:03 well that’s probably why I don’t have
00:08:05 very very functional very functional
00:08:08 um not so much direct description uh
00:08:11 yeah it’s the Greeks that are worried
00:08:13 about the
00:08:14 accurate description where the the
00:08:16 Hebrews are worried about the function
00:08:18 right oh
00:08:20 anyways oh question sure good question
00:08:26 you were talking about the chief judge
00:08:29 being paid yeah
00:08:32 and so I was actually I just read that
00:08:34 part in The Book of Mormon a couple days
00:08:35 ago
00:08:36 um
00:08:37 I’m wondering I don’t like the chief
00:08:39 judge as far as I know was really more
00:08:42 of a political leader right
00:08:45 um so not really a part of the church
00:08:48 necessarily it’s so this is where it’s
00:08:53 kind of both
00:08:54 um
00:09:00 when Alma goes around as a missionary
00:09:03 um because he left the post
00:09:06 um they kind of give him a hard time for
00:09:08 that
00:09:10 um so
00:09:12 when we
00:09:15 um and we talked about this when we
00:09:18 um did an earlier post but
00:09:20 yahweh’s government is more like a
00:09:23 theocracy than it is uh Republic
00:09:26 as the United States is supposed to be
00:09:29 but even within that theocracy there’s
00:09:33 the state and the church though because
00:09:35 they’re even still separate from each
00:09:37 other and we even see that in the Book
00:09:38 of Mormon also right with
00:09:42 um
00:09:43 what was Alma the younger or nor was it
00:09:46 the Elder no I think it was Elmer the
00:09:48 Elder the end of it
00:09:51 under Noah under mosiah oh under
00:09:54 Messiah oh yeah uh the last chapters of
00:09:56 mosiah were yeah or is this is the first
00:09:59 part of Alma um but anyways the the
00:10:01 non-believers are starting to persecute
00:10:04 the Believers and
00:10:05 the church was told not to persecute
00:10:09 um the non-believers and then the king
00:10:12 told the non-believers not to persecute
00:10:15 the Believers so we see that kind of the
00:10:18 two sides that are even in the Book of
00:10:20 Mormon however go ahead however what is
00:10:23 the law that the judges judged by
00:10:27 uh initially it was Torah it’s the Torah
00:10:30 it is Torah that is I do think they’re
00:10:33 doing it in righteousness it’s they’re
00:10:35 judging by Torah I yeah and I can show
00:10:38 that from mosiah 29 too if we want to
00:10:41 get into that
00:10:43 um
00:10:45 um but I I have Messiah 29 and a chiasm
00:10:51 um I I didn’t add comments to it at the
00:10:53 time oops I hit the wrong button but I I
00:10:57 did it mainly to kind of bring that out
00:11:01 um but I should have added comments and
00:11:04 I didn’t so but
00:11:06 mosiah 29 is what we should be doing as
00:11:11 a government in the United States in my
00:11:13 personal opinion
00:11:15 um and we can talk about the
00:11:17 Constitution but
00:11:19 um it it should be what we should be
00:11:22 doing what’s in mosiah 29.
00:11:24 you know they put in a chiasm mainly to
00:11:27 I should expounded it more but when you
00:11:29 look at the same stanzas they either
00:11:34 support each other or contrast each
00:11:36 other so it helps give additional
00:11:38 insight
00:11:39 in fact I worked on one today for a post
00:11:42 that we could look at
00:11:44 um if you want to kind of get into some
00:11:45 of those details because that one’s a
00:11:47 little more fresh but
00:11:49 um
00:11:51 initially Elmo was
00:11:55 at the chief judge
00:11:58 which is kind of like the bishop in a
00:12:01 sense
00:12:02 the bishop does it for the church and
00:12:05 then there’s another one that does it
00:12:06 for the government for example when
00:12:08 things got I believe to
00:12:10 David or Solomon in the Old Testament it
00:12:13 was because it was on the governmental
00:12:15 side and not the church side
00:12:19 where
00:12:21 um
00:12:22 in fact Deborah the judge
00:12:25 uh in the Old Testament a woman who was
00:12:27 a judge
00:12:28 for a period of time
00:12:31 because the men wouldn’t step up and do
00:12:33 it and I think it’s partly to show that
00:12:36 if the nation’s not doing it the church
00:12:40 should be doing it I think that’s partly
00:12:43 what it’s showing but that’s kind of
00:12:44 reading into it some but
00:12:47 I I see that in scriptures too so
00:12:51 um because yeah I’m just curious because
00:12:53 the I mean I feel like it says a lot in
00:12:56 the Book of Mormon how we should labor
00:12:58 for our own support with our own hands
00:13:01 right uh the the judges labored and
00:13:04 you’ll see and I think it’s
00:13:07 Pat Uh Alpha 39 it says that the Elmo
00:13:12 was paid only for that when Elmo was a
00:13:15 judge he was only paid for his time in
00:13:17 the seat when he was actually warming
00:13:19 the seat
00:13:20 yes and
00:13:23 the I just did a post on this in fact I
00:13:29 I just that my priest post that I just
00:13:32 did recently I basically just copied all
00:13:34 my notes from my OneNote from The Book
00:13:36 of Mormon
00:13:39 but I think the one you mean is Alma
00:13:42 30
00:13:43 oh yeah I’m almost 30 yeah
00:13:46 um so let’s go look at those because uh
00:13:49 this is when I share these ones I share
00:13:51 a lot and we can go look at the whole
00:13:53 thing but here’s the highlights that has
00:13:56 to do with this uh 30 30. Chapter 30
00:14:00 verses 32 33 34 and 35 and now Amma said
00:14:05 unto him
00:14:06 thou knowest that we do not Glutton
00:14:09 ourselves upon the labors of this people
00:14:10 for behold I have labored even from the
00:14:14 commencement of the reign of the judges
00:14:16 until now with my own hands for my
00:14:18 support notwithstanding my travels round
00:14:21 about the land to declare the word of
00:14:23 God unto my people now
00:14:26 that really goes against how many
00:14:28 Restorations including the LDS
00:14:30 brighamite one is Iran
00:14:33 um right
00:14:34 uh 33 notwithstanding the many labors
00:14:37 which I have performed in the church I
00:14:39 have never received so much as even a
00:14:41 Sinai for my labor
00:14:43 neither any of my brethren save it were
00:14:46 in the Judgment seat and this is the one
00:14:48 that Ben was bringing up
00:14:50 and that was when there are the the
00:14:54 judgments that they’re doing labor
00:14:56 and so
00:14:59 um I I don’t I think he’s just
00:15:01 clarifying here but the labor is doing
00:15:03 the judging of the people that they’re
00:15:06 bringing yeah no I wasn’t concerned
00:15:08 about him getting paid for being judged
00:15:10 or for being judgment yeah he said like
00:15:13 he’s the high priest and he though I
00:15:16 feel like the work that he does in the
00:15:18 church
00:15:19 what she just talked about he doesn’t
00:15:21 get paid at all no he doesn’t I was just
00:15:23 curious you know if he’s getting paid
00:15:25 only for his political job but not for
00:15:30 his job it has to do with preaching the
00:15:32 gospel and being in the church yeah he’s
00:15:35 not getting paid he’s not getting paid a
00:15:37 C9 to preach the gospel as he says to
00:15:40 preach the gospel when he was in the
00:15:42 Judgment he did get paid
00:15:45 yeah and one thing it’s
00:15:49 I I would say this is saying which I
00:15:51 have performed in the church
00:15:53 this judgment seat here is tied to the
00:15:57 church in my opinion but I it’s it could
00:16:01 be a little unclear because it could be
00:16:02 to the governmental but there they can
00:16:06 be kind of tied well because yeah the
00:16:09 reason the reason why that the reason
00:16:11 why that’s probably associated with the
00:16:13 church
00:16:14 is because he gave up the Judgment seat
00:16:17 politically long before this
00:16:23 uh I don’t see how that makes that
00:16:25 connection uh he was still in the
00:16:28 Judgment seat and then after this
00:16:30 because of the profession of Nate where
00:16:32 he gave up the Judgment actually that
00:16:35 was that was in chapter one
00:16:40 [Music]
00:16:48 was it Alma one
00:16:50 yep or Alma too because when he’s going
00:16:54 out to preach he gives up the Judgment
00:16:56 seat but it’s because of one of the
00:16:58 antichrists or uh he he appoints a
00:17:02 righteous judge to fill the Judgment
00:17:04 seat that’s right
00:17:07 oh
00:17:08 yeah that sounds about right I I don’t
00:17:11 remember the timing I I think it was
00:17:14 about the sixth year of the reign of the
00:17:16 judges when he left
00:17:18 yeah and and this is
00:17:22 yeah when is this
00:17:25 almost 30
00:17:27 yeah when is on the 30 I don’t know a
00:17:29 year of the reign of the judges
00:17:31 uh hold on I can look at my missionary
00:17:34 wanted I know
00:17:38 this one’s from my mission
00:17:41 and I keep it in this
00:17:43 yes
00:17:46 let’s see
00:17:51 uh Alma 30 is about 74 BC
00:17:55 but here I’m gonna go look at it’s cool
00:17:59 Alma one Alma one two
00:18:06 and he gives up the Judgment seat
00:18:08 because he wants to preach to the people
00:18:11 because of the anti so he’s been out of
00:18:13 the Judgment seat for about 13 years
00:18:15 yeah okay so did you guys find the verse
00:18:18 where he actually left it is it Elmo one
00:18:20 or ammo two or a little later well let’s
00:18:23 check it out
00:18:24 oh
00:18:26 let’s see let’s see
00:18:30 okay wait a minute let’s see first right
00:18:33 now after the game was like it’s after
00:18:35 the animal sites that’s right
00:18:38 um
00:18:44 and you saw great inequality among them
00:18:49 well let’s see that day thus retaining
00:18:57 okay here we go that’s actually chapter
00:18:59 four Alma chapter four okay that seems
00:19:02 more right than yeah on the chapter four
00:19:04 it says and now it came to pass I’m not
00:19:06 having seen the afflictions of the
00:19:07 humble followers of God and the
00:19:08 persecutions which for each upon them by
00:19:11 the remainder of his people and seeing
00:19:13 their all their inequality
00:19:15 began to be very sorrowful nevertheless
00:19:17 the spirit of the Lord did not fail him
00:19:19 and he selected a wise man who was among
00:19:22 the Elders of the church yeah see the
00:19:25 church and the state are connected here
00:19:27 and gave him power according to the
00:19:29 according to the voice of the people
00:19:31 that he might have power to enact laws
00:19:34 according to the laws which had been
00:19:36 given and to put them in force according
00:19:38 to the wickedness and crime and the
00:19:40 crimes of the people
00:19:41 now this man’s name was nephihad he was
00:19:45 appointed chief judge and he sat in the
00:19:46 Judgment seat judged and govern the
00:19:48 people now Alma did not Grant onto him
00:19:51 the office of being high priest over the
00:19:52 church but he retained the office of
00:19:54 high priest unto himself but he
00:19:56 delivered the judgment
00:20:00 foreign so I I take that to mean he gave
00:20:05 up the governmental judgment seat
00:20:07 because when we read in 30
00:20:09 at least the way I read it he kept the
00:20:12 Judgment seat of the church
00:20:14 oh he kept the he’s the president of the
00:20:16 high priesthood
00:20:17 right that is the Judgment see that’s
00:20:20 the Judgment that is a position of
00:20:22 judgment yeah in fact I
00:20:25 it drives me nuts all these people out
00:20:28 there teaching pretended Mysteries
00:20:30 claiming to have the Melchizedek
00:20:31 priesthood or or even higher that’s like
00:20:34 no scriptures for right
00:20:36 you know what they do they teach
00:20:38 Pretender Mysteries
00:20:40 but when you go read Alma 13 it states
00:20:43 what we’re supposed to do if we have it
00:20:44 and that is to call repentance in fact
00:20:47 not all you do and this is a big one for
00:20:50 me I’m gonna let’s go find it so just
00:20:53 you know make sure I’m not pulling
00:20:55 anybody’s leg here
00:20:57 of course you guys aren’t right next to
00:20:59 me so I can’t but
00:21:01 that would be problematic stop
00:21:07 but Melchizedek having exercise Mighty
00:21:10 faith and received the office of the
00:21:13 high priesthood according to the holy
00:21:15 order of God did preach repentance on
00:21:16 his people he what he didn’t teach
00:21:18 pretended Mysteries
00:21:20 and behold they did repent me no kesarik
00:21:24 did established peace in the land
00:21:25 because people repented and they were
00:21:28 keeping yes repentance that establishes
00:21:31 peace yeah therefore he was called what
00:21:34 is it that we are to repent to we are to
00:21:36 repent the Torah well yeah repentance
00:21:38 return to the law so what’s the law it’s
00:21:41 Torah
00:21:43 um but anyways
00:21:45 um
00:21:46 I think there might be one that even
00:21:48 says that now now is the time to repent
00:21:53 repentance
00:22:03 The Humble your cells bring fruit for
00:22:05 repentance
00:22:07 uh
00:22:08 uh so and now it’s concerning the holy
00:22:10 older were there many who were ordained
00:22:13 and became High Priests of God and it
00:22:15 was a count of their exceeding faith and
00:22:17 repentance the righteousness before God
00:22:20 they choosing to repent and work
00:22:22 righteousness rather than perish but
00:22:26 um
00:22:28 I think this is the best one right here
00:22:30 is it basically says that
00:22:33 Melchizedek priesthood is
00:22:35 call repentance
00:22:37 yes because the priesthood
00:22:39 sorry go ahead
00:22:42 I was going to say through my study I’ve
00:22:44 been studying trying to figure out what
00:22:46 the priesthood is according to the Book
00:22:47 of Mormon
00:22:49 and
00:22:50 I’ve decided that it’s basically means
00:22:53 like a Ministry
00:22:57 you’re called to a Ministry
00:22:59 repentance
00:23:01 and administer in the gospel that’s part
00:23:04 of it uh
00:23:07 there’s also about a performing
00:23:10 sacrifices
00:23:11 um and so that would
00:23:13 tend to be can be a different Office of
00:23:17 the priesthood well and there’s there is
00:23:22 the calling to a Ministry
00:23:25 and there’s also the element of the
00:23:27 laying on of hands which is spoken of
00:23:29 quite um
00:23:30 I mean it it does require an ordination
00:23:34 sure sure so
00:23:36 um let’s go read this this one’s
00:23:39 um which one is it
00:23:42 oh there’s another part where I noticed
00:23:44 a lot of times it says in the Book of
00:23:46 Mormon that they were called because of
00:23:49 or
00:23:50 um by their exceeding faith
00:23:52 does talk about ordinance ordination and
00:23:55 conferring sometimes between people but
00:23:58 sometimes people are just called
00:24:00 but by God because of their faith
00:24:04 that makes sense uh right right yeah in
00:24:07 fact
00:24:07 um Mosaic 18 Alma the Elder where to get
00:24:10 his priesthood from God’s own voice
00:24:13 he had to yeah I mean
00:24:17 who was there to give it to him Ben and
00:24:19 I have been burned at the stake right
00:24:21 and on top of that uh when Lem Hai and
00:24:25 his people repented after Alma the
00:24:27 younger left they couldn’t get baptized
00:24:31 because they said there’s no one around
00:24:32 us to baptize us oh yeah I anyways
00:24:36 I said they said right there that they
00:24:39 were going to wait upon the spirit of
00:24:41 the Lord
00:24:43 but that’s what they were waiting for
00:24:45 they were waiting for someone who could
00:24:47 do it
00:24:48 um which when they rejoined with Alma
00:24:51 the Elder and Sarah Hema Alma the Elder
00:24:54 did it
00:24:56 um
00:24:57 but no one laid their hands on Alma the
00:25:00 Elder it was by God’s Own voice Emma the
00:25:03 Elder that later laid his hands on
00:25:05 others
00:25:07 um
00:25:08 and this is where you can see some
00:25:11 people claim you can’t see the
00:25:12 Melchizedek and neurotic in the Book of
00:25:14 Mormon I disagree and this is one
00:25:15 example of that
00:25:18 um but anyways so here’s one
00:25:20 uh kind of going with your saying and
00:25:22 after this matter they did ordained
00:25:24 priests and teachers according to the
00:25:26 gifts and callings of Yahweh or Elohim
00:25:29 unto men and they ordained them by the
00:25:32 power
00:25:33 not the priesthood of the Holy Ghost
00:25:36 which was in them
00:25:40 which now we need to under which now
00:25:42 people need the basic understanding of
00:25:44 what the power of the Holy Ghost is
00:25:48 uh well it’s power you get by keeping
00:25:51 the Torah that’s right
00:25:54 um I so I I let me get
00:26:01 my my last significant post I don’t know
00:26:04 if people oh I think you looked at it
00:26:05 some right Monica
00:26:07 um I did everything you can do
00:26:10 post
00:26:12 it’s kind of long I didn’t make it to
00:26:15 the end
00:26:16 that’s fine I hopefully though he at
00:26:20 least started seeing how the Book of
00:26:22 Mormon defines the Holy Ghost Holy
00:26:24 Spirit as Torah
00:26:26 um
00:26:27 because I
00:26:29 I bring out examples from
00:26:32 from the Tanakh Old Testament and how
00:26:34 they Define certain terms and I show it
00:26:37 that and how they’re using in the Book
00:26:39 of Mormon and it’s and in some cases
00:26:42 it’s in uh parallel stanzas with the
00:26:45 Holy
00:26:46 Spirit slash Holy Ghost so it and then
00:26:49 how you can judge it’s clear anyways
00:26:53 um the big focus of that post is that
00:26:56 the Holy Ghost is or because it’s how
00:27:01 you’re supposed to act it tells you how
00:27:03 to be holy anyways not to go over it
00:27:06 again
00:27:08 so one question I have about that sorry
00:27:10 if that’s a tangent but no that’s fine
00:27:13 you talk about Torah a lot and how we’re
00:27:15 supposed to keep it
00:27:16 um like what’s the best way to learn
00:27:18 what those Commandments are I mean
00:27:20 besides just reading sure uh I think the
00:27:24 best place to start is Deuteronomy uh
00:27:26 Deuteronomy is a summary
00:27:29 um to start uh also it’s a good summary
00:27:33 of after Moses Looking Back 40 years
00:27:37 and trying to make good sense of it
00:27:40 um
00:27:42 so acts 15 is a good one too
00:27:47 um
00:27:49 [Music]
00:27:51 yeah acts acts 15 for um the converts
00:27:57 yeah
00:27:59 um and
00:28:01 find it because oh there we go Okay so
00:28:06 in this
00:28:08 abstain from
00:28:10 pollution of Idols so don’t
00:28:12 so this is an X-15 it’s the council I
00:28:16 was just kind of talking about earlier
00:28:17 that James the head Bishop AKA judge I
00:28:22 made the decision on right
00:28:25 um and it’s about the Gentile Believers
00:28:27 and they say here’s what they need to do
00:28:31 don’t worship idols
00:28:32 foreign
00:28:34 get away from your sexual sins
00:28:37 yeah and keep kosher
00:28:41 things from strangled and from Bud those
00:28:43 are Kosher laws
00:28:45 meaning
00:28:47 um don’t eat pig or selfish
00:28:50 um
00:28:51 those are the big ones and then on top
00:28:54 of so those are the first three things
00:28:56 that they say but they add a fourth
00:28:58 keep learning
00:29:00 for Moses of all times in every city
00:29:02 then preached them being read in the
00:29:04 synagogues every Sabbath day
00:29:08 we have to keep learning it yeah even I
00:29:12 still I’m still learning it I I keep
00:29:14 working at it
00:29:16 um growing up in a church it said it was
00:29:18 nailed to the cross it’s
00:29:21 I guess there’s only one aspect there’s
00:29:24 only one aspect of the Mosaic law that
00:29:26 was nailed to the cross that is the law
00:29:30 the uh the
00:29:33 um daily performances in order daily
00:29:35 performances and ordinances
00:29:39 yeah I have a video for that if you want
00:29:42 to go watch uh I need to do a post just
00:29:45 on that but it’s going to be a while
00:29:47 before I get to that
00:29:48 but this video
00:29:51 is primarily about how a quote from
00:29:54 Joseph Smith
00:29:55 and most of the courts I have from The
00:29:58 Book of Mormon that show that Torah and
00:30:01 law of Moses are two different things
00:30:04 um law Moses is the daily performance as
00:30:06 an ordinances
00:30:09 um
00:30:10 which Book of Mormon clearly states that
00:30:13 they stop doing which I would say is
00:30:16 appropriate because I believe Daniel 9
00:30:18 says the same thing also and lots of
00:30:21 Paul’s writings yeah but not to get real
00:30:25 deep into it but is prophesying of
00:30:29 yes part of it I mean yeah
00:30:33 um the major part of it right or most
00:30:37 important part but uh there are some
00:30:39 that believe in Book of Mormon and and
00:30:41 Torah
00:30:44 and most of the people think that Torah
00:30:46 and while Moses are the same thing but
00:30:48 there’s a lot of verses that state that
00:30:50 law Moses has done away with and I have
00:30:52 some here but the big one that I’m gonna
00:30:54 bring out
00:30:55 is fourth Nephi 1 12. and they did not
00:31:00 walk after the daily performance and
00:31:03 ordinances of all Moses
00:31:05 they just stopped that one and they did
00:31:07 walk after the Commandments Torah
00:31:10 um there’s really no way around that one
00:31:15 um and I I can show you some in second
00:31:17 Nephi that states that um
00:31:21 uh oh here’s 111.
00:31:24 for this end purpose proving the coming
00:31:26 the Messiah hath the law of Moses daily
00:31:28 performance awareness has been given and
00:31:30 all things which have been given of
00:31:31 Elohim regarding the law of Moses
00:31:33 including the law Moses from the
00:31:35 beginning of the world on demand
00:31:36 typifying of him
00:31:39 um
00:31:40 Mr law Moses
00:31:42 given
00:31:44 and anyways we can go through if you
00:31:47 want I would recommend watching the
00:31:49 video but it basically
00:31:53 law Moses has done away with uh and some
00:31:57 people try to
00:31:59 mystery third Nephi 9
00:32:04 to say that it’s still available and
00:32:08 3515 and they both when you actually
00:32:10 especially the chiism it makes it a lot
00:32:13 more clear
00:32:14 in the law of Moses is done as Allah
00:32:17 Moses is done which is
00:32:20 the daily performance ordinances which
00:32:23 the main one was two Lambs every day
00:32:27 that the levitical priests were supposed
00:32:30 to give
00:32:33 between the evenings you’d have to have
00:32:36 a huge flock man
00:32:38 yeah and it’s not something that
00:32:41 the the
00:32:44 just the Israelite themselves that it
00:32:47 was the levitical priesthood that did it
00:32:49 yeah and on
00:32:54 primarily levitical priesthood because
00:32:56 the Melchizedek priesthood can do stuff
00:32:58 of the auronic which you can actually
00:33:00 see that in the Old Testament too once
00:33:02 you know what’s going on
00:33:05 um but I believe it’s the aaronic that’s
00:33:07 given by the laying out of hands and the
00:33:08 Melchizedek given by The Voice correct
00:33:12 that is yes that is what’s how it’s done
00:33:15 and it’s done that way in the Book of
00:33:16 Mormon too but
00:33:19 um anyways
00:33:21 um but there the auronics like appendage
00:33:24 as I think Joseph Smith puts it and I
00:33:27 think it’s that’s in the DNC too it’s
00:33:29 hard to remember where everything is but
00:33:31 if you want yes I I have
00:33:35 a resource page that gets into those
00:33:37 details that you’re
00:33:40 you can go look at I have a lot of
00:33:42 quotes and I I have a few links to a few
00:33:45 other people have done some more
00:33:46 research on that than I have that I
00:33:48 found helpful
00:33:49 um
00:33:50 but anyways
00:33:52 well did that help with the question
00:33:54 Monica
00:33:56 yes I had a question about kosher laws
00:33:58 sure
00:34:01 so I I don’t know but I’ve been looking
00:34:04 up kosher laws just you know online I
00:34:06 don’t know if it is necessarily
00:34:11 accurate like today like kosher laws
00:34:13 today are they really the same like is
00:34:16 it uh yeah they haven’t changed so I
00:34:18 have a resource page on it but um
00:34:21 the law hasn’t changed
00:34:25 one of the things I saw in there was
00:34:26 that you’re not supposed to eat an
00:34:28 animal that
00:34:30 has been
00:34:31 basically like Hunted
00:34:34 like shot with the wound
00:34:36 uh no that’s incorrect In fact you can
00:34:39 get that so Nephi kept kosher loss right
00:34:42 personally finally that that was going
00:34:44 to be my question was you know that’s
00:34:47 false you can hunt
00:34:49 for animals and kill them
00:34:52 um
00:34:53 and they did that and you can see that
00:34:55 in the Old Testament too
00:34:58 um that’s fine to do what is not fine
00:35:02 sorry say that one more time
00:35:04 my husband is a big hunter oh uh uh well
00:35:09 if I am around you I want some of his
00:35:11 elk if he went and got elk or deer I
00:35:14 love that stuff
00:35:15 yeah and they’re kosher whatever
00:35:18 whatever you hunt needs to be a clothing
00:35:20 both
00:35:22 foreign
00:35:27 elk do so and those are the primary ones
00:35:30 people go hunting for right right
00:35:34 um so those are those are good
00:35:36 um
00:35:38 so
00:35:40 just make sure on land animals that the
00:35:43 primary thing is two Hooves and choose
00:35:46 the cud
00:35:47 um
00:35:48 do you know what that means
00:35:51 um no pigs I think uh uh the the host uh
00:35:56 you know what a a deer or an elk foot
00:35:59 looks like right
00:36:01 yeah okay that’s a whole that’s a split
00:36:05 hoof that they need that and chewing the
00:36:07 card is where they eat and then they
00:36:10 put in one Starbucks and then they throw
00:36:12 it up and then they eat it to it again
00:36:14 and then they swallow again and then
00:36:16 they throw it up again and chew it again
00:36:18 and put in another stomach
00:36:21 so basically they’re gonna eat their
00:36:23 throw up
00:36:24 yeah but it’s there’s actually excellent
00:36:26 symbolism in it yes there is
00:36:30 uh go ahead Ben
00:36:32 and that symbolism is
00:36:34 that we
00:36:36 just as the food that we eat needs to
00:36:38 chew the cud that is to continually
00:36:41 ruminate
00:36:43 over
00:36:45 um over their food
00:36:47 likewise for us
00:36:49 for us
00:36:51 love God
00:36:53 here’s our bread
00:36:55 man shall not live by Every Word by
00:36:58 bread alone but by every word that
00:36:59 proceedeth from the mouth of God
00:37:02 therefore we likewise
00:37:06 the reason we chew the room and the
00:37:08 reason we eat the remnant
00:37:10 is because we too are supposed to
00:37:12 ruminate continually over the word of
00:37:15 God yeah
00:37:18 uh and if you want to look at my Padres
00:37:21 page which basically is that it has a
00:37:24 couple quotes on that on how
00:37:28 uh kosher animals are symbolic of them
00:37:31 re-chewing their cud is symbolic of us
00:37:34 rethinking about the word of God
00:37:39 um and so and I go back and forth how
00:37:42 many levels there whether if it’s four
00:37:44 or two there’s various issues on that
00:37:48 but it’s interesting if four is the case
00:37:52 rudiments or those who chew the cuds
00:37:54 have four stomachs yes most people
00:37:58 a great state that there’s four levels
00:38:00 of meaning or four depth of meaning in
00:38:04 the scriptures
00:38:05 um
00:38:06 I I can see two in most places I don’t
00:38:10 always see four so this is where I I’m
00:38:13 not sure about four but for sure
00:38:16 the big part is um
00:38:21 re-chooing it which is how we’re
00:38:23 supposed to go re-analyze the word of
00:38:26 God and
00:38:27 the thing is usually the Jawbone moving
00:38:31 and and even the the famous thinking
00:38:34 statue has the hand on the Jawbone
00:38:36 because that’s true thinking uh usually
00:38:39 usually uh levels three and four
00:38:43 um are referring to deeper and deeper
00:38:47 Mysteries
00:38:48 the uh well actual Mysteries not
00:38:51 pretended Mysteries the ones that are
00:38:54 actually in the word
00:38:55 yeah
00:38:57 um so there’s a book I like that can
00:39:00 help you get into this if you want
00:39:01 beholding the Tree of Life the rabbinic
00:39:03 approach to the Book of Mormon it shows
00:39:05 some specific specific examples of
00:39:08 deeper meanings in
00:39:10 in things that the Book of Mormon brings
00:39:12 out uh it’s written by
00:39:15 BYU scholar and so
00:39:19 um
00:39:20 I like it I’ve read it I have a link
00:39:22 right there for you it’s written by a
00:39:24 BYU scholar it’s not written by avraham
00:39:26 deliadi no
00:39:29 um this scholar I’ve read
00:39:32 if I remember right two of his three
00:39:34 books the third one I’ve
00:39:37 I’ve I know the general pro thing that
00:39:40 he’s trying to do and I disagree with
00:39:42 that
00:39:43 so I haven’t read that one but his other
00:39:45 two I do agree he’s is some his other
00:39:48 one is something about
00:39:50 um
00:39:51 counteracting the anti-Semitic
00:39:54 of the New Testament with the Book of
00:39:56 Mormon and
00:39:57 the New Testament is not anti-Semitic
00:40:00 this is how people interpret it and he’s
00:40:03 actually anyways
00:40:05 yeah it’s actually as uh Peter calls
00:40:08 those people who interpret it that way
00:40:10 unlearned and unstable uh yes as
00:40:15 referring to Paul’s letters because
00:40:18 that’s where a lot of these people get
00:40:19 it from and
00:40:21 oh
00:40:22 uh since Ben brought it up I’ll show you
00:40:27 show you the verse
00:40:29 and I’ll give you some resources for if
00:40:31 you want to get into it
00:40:33 um
00:40:34 because
00:40:36 it it’s an important subject and Paul is
00:40:39 a controversial
00:40:42 uh figure in just about everywhere you
00:40:46 go oh it doesn’t go away even when
00:40:49 you’re in the Hebrew Roots type of stuff
00:40:51 like uh
00:40:53 then I kind of are I I wouldn’t call
00:40:56 myself a Hebrew Rooter though because it
00:40:57 has its own issues but it’s it has its
00:41:01 good and it’s bad but I do like uh some
00:41:03 Hebrew Roots uh material like this one I
00:41:06 just shared with you because they’re
00:41:07 Hebrew rooters I’m a Nazarene it’s a
00:41:10 little different but uh there’s some
00:41:12 overlap
00:41:13 but anyways but here’s Peter talking
00:41:18 about Paul and also all Paul’s Epistles
00:41:21 speaking in them of things in which are
00:41:25 some things hard to be understood and
00:41:27 people take those things that are hard
00:41:29 to understood and twist them which they
00:41:32 are unlearned and unstable wrestle
00:41:36 a Twist pervert as they do also the
00:41:41 other scriptures but they it’s they do
00:41:43 it more on Paul I think anyways unto
00:41:45 their own destruction yea therefore
00:41:47 beloved seeking you know these things
00:41:50 before beware unless you also being led
00:41:53 away with the air of the wicked fall
00:41:56 from your own steadfastness
00:41:58 so this is an admonition actually from
00:42:01 Peter
00:42:02 this is part of an admonition from Peter
00:42:05 to actually available yeah and I I mean
00:42:09 I have a few notes Here
00:42:11 one big example how
00:42:14 um Hall actually kept Torah
00:42:17 uh in the New Testament is he did the
00:42:19 Nazarite vow so there’s a difference
00:42:21 between the Nazarite sect and the
00:42:23 nazorite valve the Nazarite vowel has to
00:42:26 do with cutting your hair and doing
00:42:28 animal sacrifice and Paul did this
00:42:32 after the death and Resurrection though
00:42:35 the death is the key point on this
00:42:38 um
00:42:39 and the other Elders of the church
00:42:41 encouraged him to do it and pay for
00:42:44 other people’s nazorite vowel so if
00:42:48 Torah was done away
00:42:51 what was Paul doing doing the Nazarite
00:42:54 vow and paying for others to do the
00:42:56 knives right now because that’s Torah
00:43:00 but anyways
00:43:01 these are little things that you’ll
00:43:03 learn as you study and maybe ask Ben or
00:43:06 I questions and we’ll just spit it out
00:43:14 there are some an example
00:43:16 well we want people to understand
00:43:18 we want people to understand
00:43:21 um we want people to understand these
00:43:23 things because
00:43:26 the law
00:43:28 the law of God is the foundation of Zion
00:43:35 obedience Torah is the foundation upon
00:43:37 which Zion is built
00:43:41 um and if you want I have kind of a a
00:43:45 loose list of Book of Mormon verses that
00:43:48 shows how
00:43:50 the righteous kept Torah after yeshua’s
00:43:53 visit after the resurrection
00:43:55 [Music]
00:43:56 um
00:43:58 all right so I’ll do that
00:44:00 um let me
00:44:03 go back to this it’s kind of loose
00:44:06 um it’s notes for something that I want
00:44:08 to turn to a post and I’m sidetracked
00:44:11 from that post right now but I will be
00:44:13 getting back to it but
00:44:15 just kind of saw you get a little
00:44:20 um idea
00:44:22 um
00:44:25 I just gotta find the right tab
00:44:30 okay
00:44:31 or sub tab anyways
00:44:35 uh because it’s been a while since I’ve
00:44:39 after Resurrection perhaps
00:44:42 oh yeah yeah that would be it okay
00:44:47 thank you
00:44:50 so sometimes I make sense right yeah I
00:44:54 mean this one this this title actually
00:44:56 seems to go with the material that’s
00:44:58 within it that’s right yeah it’s been
00:45:01 real nice here’s some examples that
00:45:03 where it shows in Moroni seven too that
00:45:05 I I did separately but which I can go
00:45:07 after show it to but anyways Okay so
00:45:13 um I actually
00:45:15 did you say something Monica
00:45:17 no sorry
00:45:21 okay so I’ll just kind of go down
00:45:23 through this list okay they’re just
00:45:25 it’s not best organized you’re looking
00:45:27 at my personal notes but anyways
00:45:30 um importantly if I won 15 through 17
00:45:33 and it came to pass that there was no
00:45:35 contention in the land and it’s
00:45:38 interesting
00:45:40 um in I think it’s hold on
00:45:48 contention
00:45:50 uh
00:45:52 has to do with false doctrines
00:45:56 um but anyways
00:45:59 oops
00:46:01 okay and you can’t no more there was no
00:46:03 contention in the land because of false
00:46:05 doctrines because the love of Elohim
00:46:07 which did dwell in the hearts of the
00:46:09 people how do we know that we love him
00:46:12 because we keep his commandments so
00:46:15 um
00:46:16 foreign
00:46:21 first John 2
00:46:23 exactly and hereby we do know that we
00:46:27 know that we know him if we keep his
00:46:29 Commandments
00:46:31 he that saith I know him and keepeth not
00:46:33 his Commandments is a liar
00:46:36 there’s a lot of liars out there
00:46:38 and the truth is not in him no truth
00:46:43 but whosoever
00:46:45 in other words they have no light yeah
00:46:49 and I
00:46:54 so I put this in this pose but
00:46:57 the knock Old Testament defines light as
00:47:00 Torah
00:47:02 um Psalms 119 die Yahweh word is a lamp
00:47:06 unto my feet and a lamp and a light
00:47:08 under my path for the Commandment is a
00:47:10 lamp and the law is a light reproof of
00:47:13 instructions are the way of life
00:47:15 so when you
00:47:16 um
00:47:17 like acts 15 it says you know go learn
00:47:21 every Sabbath at the synagogue basically
00:47:24 with other other other believers right
00:47:27 you’ll you’ll go learn reapprove some
00:47:30 instructions in fact
00:47:34 um
00:47:38 that
00:47:40 I don’t have this on my list now I’m
00:47:43 just thinking maybe I should add it
00:47:44 because this is where
00:47:46 it’s like a rough list right
00:47:53 this is where I’ve told you this is a
00:47:54 big deal for me on this day and their
00:47:56 meetings were conducted by the church of
00:47:58 the men are the workings of the Spirit
00:48:00 by the power of the Holy Ghost Power
00:48:01 logos love them mother to preach or to
00:48:04 exhort
00:48:08 is the same thing we just read about
00:48:11 reproofs
00:48:14 um so I I don’t have that in my life
00:48:18 okay or prayer to supplicate it or sing
00:48:20 even so it was done
00:48:22 um
00:48:23 I think there’s even some more in here
00:48:25 too
00:48:26 but I like this one neither did they
00:48:30 received any under baptism said they
00:48:31 came forth with the broken heart the
00:48:33 contrite spirit
00:48:34 see we have to
00:48:37 the broken heart is the obedient part we
00:48:40 also we already have to be we already
00:48:42 have to be doing our level best to keep
00:48:44 the law when we go to the Waters of
00:48:46 baptism
00:48:49 yeah wow
00:48:52 so we can get into it but um uh we’re
00:48:57 like we just keep sidetracking yeah 18.
00:49:00 but
00:49:03 um
00:49:06 run I6 has a lot of good stuff
00:49:09 thank you
00:49:17 okay now I say unto you if this is
00:49:20 desire your heart what have you against
00:49:22 being baptized in the name of the Lord
00:49:24 as a witness
00:49:25 the form that you have endured in
00:49:27 Covenant with him meaning
00:49:29 you have
00:49:30 baptism is a witness that you’ve already
00:49:32 entered in a covenant to keep all his
00:49:35 Commandments
00:49:36 it’s not when you
00:49:39 baptism is not when you make a covenant
00:49:41 as the oldest church teaches it’s a
00:49:43 witness that you’ve already done that
00:49:45 according to the Book of Mormon and
00:49:47 that’s what I go by yeah it also says
00:49:50 that you can you can have your despair
00:49:53 abundantly before that because you may
00:49:57 serve him in his Commandments yeah that
00:50:00 he may pour out his Spirit more
00:50:02 abundantly upon you if it’s more
00:50:04 abundantly it means it could have been
00:50:06 abundantly before that
00:50:09 anyways but that was um freeing up with
00:50:13 to go along with what Ben said
00:50:15 yep um so I think you’re looking at
00:50:20 uh we were yeah they’re going into
00:50:25 sorry we were in Marine oh Moroni six
00:50:27 yeah yeah Moroni six and we were looking
00:50:31 at that I think neither did they receive
00:50:33 any of the baptism save they came with a
00:50:35 broken heart
00:50:36 a broken heart
00:50:38 is like
00:50:39 your heart’s broken in the same way that
00:50:41 a horse is broken
00:50:43 a broken horse can be rid and can be
00:50:46 ridden and will obey instruction
00:50:49 so they neither did they receive any on
00:50:53 the baptism said they came forth with a
00:50:55 broken heart obedient heart a contrite
00:50:58 spirit acknowledging the hand of God in
00:51:00 all things and their own nothingness
00:51:03 and witnessed unto the church that they
00:51:04 truly repented of all their sins how do
00:51:07 we even know that we’ve truly repented
00:51:08 of all of our sins how do we know what
00:51:10 our sins are
00:51:13 yeah without the law you don’t know what
00:51:15 your sins are in fact
00:51:17 um all you have is opinion without the
00:51:20 law yeah well and in my post I quote II
00:51:23 neat by two
00:51:24 right
00:51:26 um oh actually let’s see it’s a little I
00:51:30 think it’s a little higher up yeah I
00:51:32 think I have a chiasm in my here so hold
00:51:36 on
00:51:36 I like chiasms
00:51:39 really
00:51:41 yeah so
00:51:43 uh here’s the second Nephi two one
00:51:49 um
00:51:52 there’s a couple of them right so oh I
00:51:56 love and this is one of my favorite this
00:51:58 is one of my favorite sets of verses in
00:52:00 the entire Book of Mormon men are
00:52:03 instructed men are instructed
00:52:05 sufficiently that they know good from
00:52:06 evil and the law is given unto men
00:52:10 and by the laws no flesh is Justified or
00:52:12 by the law men are cut off Yea by the
00:52:15 temporal law they were cut off and also
00:52:17 by the spiritual law they perish from
00:52:19 that which is good and become miserable
00:52:21 forever wherefore Redemption cometh in
00:52:23 and through the holy Messiah for he is
00:52:25 full of grace and truth
00:52:28 behold he offereth himself a sacrifice
00:52:30 for sin to answer the ends of the law
00:52:33 unto all those who have a broken heart
00:52:36 and a contrite spirit
00:52:39 and onto none else
00:52:42 can be ends of the law be answered
00:52:45 and I recently found out that
00:52:48 um it’s taught in Psalms too but anyway
00:52:52 so so we but the the key is to
00:52:56 understand what the broken heart is
00:53:01 if we don’t understand what the broken
00:53:03 heart is we can’t offer our broken heart
00:53:05 and contrite spirit we can be as
00:53:06 sorrowful as we want to for our sins but
00:53:08 it’s but if we’re not going to be
00:53:10 obedient to the law and turn from our
00:53:12 sins we don’t have the broken heart
00:53:15 right and that’s not repenting because
00:53:16 repenting is returning to the law
00:53:19 exactly if you’re just sad or you know
00:53:23 because of the consequences of it
00:53:25 that’s a start
00:53:28 but but if you do not remember that but
00:53:31 if you do not repent that is the sorrow
00:53:33 of the Damned the that Mormon
00:53:35 speaks of correct correct
00:53:39 and so the so you know and when I say
00:53:42 you I’m not speaking about you
00:53:43 specifically Monica I’m talking in
00:53:45 general okay the proverbial the
00:53:49 proverbial you yeah yeah I understand
00:53:53 because if anything I thought he was
00:53:55 talking to me
00:54:07 but we need to get to the point where we
00:54:09 don’t though yeah and the facts of the
00:54:12 matter are that is possible
00:54:14 it is possible I can show it from
00:54:16 lectures on faith and Joseph Smith
00:54:21 um so here’s a quote from Joseph Smith
00:54:23 repentance is a thing that cannot be
00:54:25 tripled with every day daily
00:54:27 transgression and daily repentance is
00:54:29 not which is pleasing in the sight of
00:54:31 God Joseph Smith
00:54:33 and we’ll go short from lectures on face
00:54:52 oh let’s see
00:54:56 oh here we are so this first
00:55:00 I think is the longest verse in
00:55:01 Scripture
00:55:02 lectures on faith five two but anyways
00:55:08 um let’s go back okay so
00:55:11 uh let’s go begotten of him was ordained
00:55:15 before the foundation of the world to be
00:55:18 Appropriations for all who should
00:55:20 believe in his name and is called the
00:55:22 psalm because of the flesh so it’s
00:55:24 saying you know
00:55:25 he’s the son because he’s
00:55:28 because of the flesh just like mosiah 15
00:55:30 but anyways and descended in suffering
00:55:33 block that which man can suffer or in
00:55:36 other words suffered greater sufferings
00:55:39 and was exposed to more powerful
00:55:42 contradictions than any man can be
00:55:46 notwithstanding all of this
00:55:48 he Yeshua the son kept the law of Elohim
00:55:52 and remained without sin
00:55:55 shown
00:55:56 thereby that it is in the power of man
00:56:00 to keep the law and remain also without
00:56:03 sin so we have sinned in the past
00:56:07 no questions
00:56:09 but in the future we it is possible not
00:56:13 to sin
00:56:14 [Music]
00:56:16 and Christ he’s not sinning shows that
00:56:19 that Christ did more than is necessary
00:56:21 for us
00:56:23 to show that it is possible
00:56:28 so
00:56:29 yeah so the
00:56:31 you know that’s the the thing is is
00:56:34 actually here let me read a little more
00:56:36 and also that by him a righteous
00:56:38 judgment might come upon the Flesh and
00:56:40 that all who walk in the law of God not
00:56:43 in the law of God may not like may
00:56:45 justly be condemned by the law you’re
00:56:47 right I forgot the knot and have no
00:56:49 excuses for their sins
00:56:52 okay excuse I think that even makes
00:56:55 Joseph Smith understood quite clearly
00:56:57 that the law of God the Torah was still
00:57:00 in effect
00:57:01 you know
00:57:03 you probably didn’t get it all figured
00:57:06 out because everything else he was doing
00:57:07 and he wasn’t supposed to uh restore at
00:57:11 all but no
00:57:12 he he understood
00:57:16 he didn’t make excuses right
00:57:20 he strove
00:57:22 and he failed at times as we can see in
00:57:25 the DNC but also in the DNC it
00:57:29 uh his calling election made sure was in
00:57:31 there if I remember yeah what section it
00:57:34 is but anyways it’s there
00:57:38 um
00:57:39 well so it’s tested and proven
00:57:43 yep
00:57:46 so anyways I forget where we’re going
00:57:48 off of this
00:57:50 um well all this all this pinged off of
00:57:54 uh Doctrine and Covenant section 24 7.
00:57:57 that’s really fun oh should we go back
00:58:00 to that then
00:58:02 let’s go back doctor coming in section
00:58:04 24.
00:58:05 unless you have a question Monica
00:58:08 yeah
00:58:10 um
00:58:11 I I do have a general question about
00:58:13 tithing sure
00:58:15 I’m sorry I keep sidetracking no that’s
00:58:18 you know I I think I mentioned we’re
00:58:21 here to help each other not do a lesson
00:58:23 in fact you can see Ben and I
00:58:26 we don’t do lessons we’re just kind of
00:58:28 going off and talking and we’re trying
00:58:31 to help you so don’t worry about it
00:58:32 Monica so go ahead ask your question
00:58:35 so I know it talks about tithing I think
00:58:37 it’s DNC 119 right it talks about us and
00:58:41 all that kind of stuff yeah and then
00:58:44 um I did read I don’t
00:58:46 in the Book of Mormon it says that
00:58:49 Abraham
00:58:51 paid one tenth of all he possessed to
00:58:54 Melchizedek yeah so and do you see one
00:58:57 19 uh clarifies this and I don’t know if
00:59:01 it’s in this part that I have on this
00:59:02 Resource page but there’s two
00:59:07 modes of tithing when you first joined
00:59:10 it’s a tenth of everything well after
00:59:12 you’ve joined it’s a tenth of your
00:59:14 Surplus
00:59:16 yeah and the DNC brings that out I don’t
00:59:19 let’s see if it’s in this part that I
00:59:21 have here if not we can go out go look
00:59:23 at the DNC
00:59:25 um oh look after that so we’re probably
00:59:27 going to have to go to the actual DNC
00:59:30 because Doctrine and Covenant section
00:59:32 119 probably verses one through three
00:59:35 uh yeah considering the other one I had
00:59:37 was just four yeah
00:59:50 there we go okay
00:59:52 very nice Seth Yahweh I require all
00:59:56 their Surplus property to be put in the
00:59:57 hands of the bishop of my church enzyme
01:00:00 for the building of mine house for the
01:00:01 laying of the foundation of sign and the
01:00:05 priesthood for the debts of the
01:00:06 presidency of the church
01:00:08 and this shall be the beginning of the
01:00:10 tide of my people
01:00:12 so the beginning first you do this
01:00:16 then you do this it’s a tenth of your
01:00:19 Surplus
01:00:21 also look at Acts chapter one I do
01:00:26 believe if you want to see uh
01:00:29 Consecration and tithing in place well
01:00:32 at least this concept of building up uh
01:00:35 it’s it’s through the books of Acts I
01:00:37 don’t remember if x is worse
01:00:40 I think it’s two because it’s after yeah
01:00:45 yeah it’s where they gather everybody
01:00:47 together but they find the two that are
01:00:49 guilty of not contributing
01:00:51 yeah is that one or two I think
01:00:55 DOTA 2. I think it’s two
01:00:59 um
01:01:01 that’s salvation of the Holy Ghost three
01:01:04 uh okay
01:01:08 oh come on
01:01:11 okay let’s go
01:01:16 I used to have that chapter memorized
01:01:20 uh here we go it’s five five is the
01:01:23 lying
01:01:24 um
01:01:25 because it’s about nms and his wife
01:01:27 right
01:01:29 uh they sold something and they get put
01:01:34 to death not because they didn’t give
01:01:35 everything because that’s not the
01:01:37 requirement
01:01:38 it’s that they lied about it they lied
01:01:42 they liked him that they got put to
01:01:44 death was lying
01:01:46 um and there’s tons and that’s actually
01:01:49 and that’s actually a toric punishment
01:01:52 for life
01:01:53 yeah
01:01:54 um which The Book of Mormon brings out I
01:01:56 think the Book of Mormon brings it up
01:01:57 more
01:01:58 definitely but yeah it’s in Torah and
01:02:01 it’s knock
01:02:03 um yeah
01:02:06 um so
01:02:08 which is why Peter could steal that
01:02:12 commandment because it was already
01:02:14 predestined in heaven to happen because
01:02:16 it’s right there in Torah
01:02:18 yep and that’s what healing is in fact I
01:02:22 have a post on that if you want
01:02:24 and the Book of Mormon shows it too
01:02:27 and this post goes into the Greek
01:02:32 of this
01:02:34 um acts 5 2. also but so oh no no not X
01:02:40 Y but Matthew something
01:02:43 um what is it Matthew
01:02:47 oh I’d have to look in the post the one
01:02:49 where he says uh
01:02:51 palmness Rock and I give you ceiling
01:02:54 power but anyways Matthew treatment
01:03:00 before
01:03:02 Matthew 24 is different
01:03:06 um
01:03:07 it’s
01:03:09 it is in Matthew though yeah it is well
01:03:12 I I can
01:03:14 yeah Matthew 24 is the uh
01:03:27 foreign
01:03:38 oh Matthew 16 19.
01:03:42 yeah 16 19.
01:03:44 anyways
01:03:46 I get into Greek in that if you want
01:03:48 there
01:03:50 um
01:03:52 but yeah
01:03:53 um this is tithing in fact
01:03:56 uh one thing I plan to do and you I can
01:04:00 I even see this in in Jacob too and
01:04:03 mosiah 2 through 5 and some other
01:04:05 chapters in The Book of Mormon
01:04:07 tithing is all things common
01:04:11 um in addition to lending out your your
01:04:14 substance to those who need it
01:04:17 which you’re also see in the trunk too
01:04:21 um the most famous example is
01:04:25 I think it was yeah all things in common
01:04:28 and acts I was using the ax and he lost
01:04:32 it and a life or I have a hard time
01:04:35 saying the name but anyways did a
01:04:38 miracle I’m bringing it to up and float
01:04:40 I don’t know that way and he could give
01:04:43 it back to his owner because it was
01:04:45 being lent to him as in all things
01:04:47 common
01:04:48 because they made it common for people
01:04:50 to use
01:04:52 sharing yeah so they yeah the all things
01:04:55 common does not mean that nobody owns
01:04:57 any personal property no it doesn’t
01:05:00 it just means people have access to it
01:05:03 in fact Joe Smith even has a quote about
01:05:05 when when he borrowed stuff he gave it
01:05:08 back better right
01:05:12 um so it’s going along the same things
01:05:14 that’s all things common
01:05:17 uh because they lent
01:05:20 pretty much all their substance out to
01:05:22 people who needed it
01:05:24 now on food that has to do with tithing
01:05:27 and that’s a little different because
01:05:29 you don’t lend that out you don’t want
01:05:30 that back right yeah
01:05:33 and rarely ever tastes as good the
01:05:35 second time around uh yeah no
01:05:43 but
01:05:46 um let’s see if
01:05:50 things come on see if I
01:05:53 so here’s here’s a little bit if you
01:05:56 want
01:05:57 um let me get
01:05:59 oops
01:06:03 so Jacob 2 17 think of your brother and
01:06:07 like unto yourselves and be familiar
01:06:09 with all and free with your substance
01:06:12 that’s all things common
01:06:14 mm-hmm
01:06:16 and if you seek them and and you seek
01:06:19 them for intent of good to clothe the
01:06:22 naked to feed the hungry and Liberate
01:06:24 the captive
01:06:25 sounds like tithing and in fact this
01:06:27 could be
01:06:29 more than tithing right but it’s
01:06:32 definitely exciting
01:06:34 um but I see all I tend to think that I
01:06:38 tend to think that tithing is a
01:06:41 preparatory
01:06:43 uh not a card to DNC 119 standing along
01:06:47 forever
01:06:51 law that stands forever yeah you can
01:06:54 have a
01:06:55 because because because the one because
01:07:00 just because another laws and just
01:07:01 because another law is added does not
01:07:03 take away the law that has been given
01:07:05 before
01:07:06 um
01:07:07 wow yeah I tend to think that it’s
01:07:10 you pay your tithing
01:07:12 for like I don’t know Church stuff and
01:07:17 then you in part of your substance
01:07:21 freely
01:07:22 um as needed by people around you so
01:07:26 um every Deuteronomy it tells you
01:07:29 exactly what tithing actually is
01:07:33 well there’s multiple aspects to tithing
01:07:35 sometimes right right some tithing you
01:07:38 give to the Levites too
01:07:40 um right that they keep some of it and
01:07:43 then the most of it goes to the poor and
01:07:47 then there is some tithing that you keep
01:07:49 yourself that you give to the poor
01:07:50 yourself
01:07:51 right some tithing is used to do the
01:07:55 high holidays
01:07:56 some tithing you are to consume yourself
01:07:58 in fact here’s a little quote on tithing
01:08:01 I have here from Torah that you paid
01:08:04 tithing of your wine partly by consuming
01:08:07 it and so drinking it right
01:08:10 um so that’s a commandment to drink wine
01:08:14 if you make it yeah yeah
01:08:19 uh because you pay tithing off of what
01:08:22 you make not what you buy but anyways
01:08:24 yeah it’s not all you’ve got
01:08:26 um another part of tithing is uh that
01:08:31 uh you don’t
01:08:35 if you’re a farmer you don’t
01:08:37 um and this applies to other areas too
01:08:39 but it primarily talks about the farmers
01:08:41 that you don’t glean your whole Fields
01:08:42 you have to leave some out there for the
01:08:45 poor to go click themselves
01:08:48 yes and you didn’t just give it to them
01:08:49 they they went and got it themselves and
01:08:52 they didn’t have to do an interview or
01:08:54 do it right they just what you mean I
01:08:57 didn’t have to pass a worthiness
01:08:58 interview they didn’t have to they
01:09:00 didn’t have to say Russell and Nelson is
01:09:02 a prophet God no
01:09:05 in fact you didn’t have to even be your
01:09:07 Israelite right right you could do it
01:09:10 right you’ll see that nyama one too and
01:09:13 they have the stranger that is within my
01:09:15 Gates yeah
01:09:17 um
01:09:18 and
01:09:20 tithing in general should stay local
01:09:23 yeah not go to world light headquarters
01:09:29 Stephen Stephen
01:09:31 you’re making too much sense here
01:09:34 I you know I I’m just bringing out what
01:09:37 Torah and scriptures say
01:09:41 um and now here’s an interesting tidbit
01:09:44 for you dnc119 says annually now if you
01:09:49 want to do it more than that
01:09:51 go ahead I’m not worried about it but in
01:09:54 Torah you would go once a year to the
01:09:56 levical priest and declare that you’ve
01:09:59 done your title and they didn’t they
01:10:00 didn’t double check you you just go
01:10:02 there and you declare it and they do a
01:10:04 little ceremony and you’re you’re tithed
01:10:07 and you’ll walk on yeah and they did it
01:10:10 once again
01:10:12 which goes along with annually that’s
01:10:15 going along with Torah oh which we
01:10:18 worked I thought I thought you’re
01:10:20 supposed to pay one tenth of your uh one
01:10:22 tenth of your income weekly
01:10:26 or bye week please case may be uh well
01:10:30 let’s see tithe of their Surplus
01:10:32 properties
01:10:34 um yeah let’s go let’s see what this
01:10:35 means Surplus over plus that sounds
01:10:39 funny
01:10:43 interest regarding to private profit
01:10:46 profit is after you pay your bills yeah
01:10:49 and look interest even says purpose
01:10:52 oh wow
01:10:54 yeah and the definition wait a minute
01:10:57 which dictionary is that oh that’s 1828
01:11:00 from the time come on now that’s old
01:11:03 news
01:11:04 yeah it is and these are old scriptures
01:11:06 too so yeah
01:11:10 you you can’t be using new definition of
01:11:13 words with old sayings from Yahweh right
01:11:17 that’s like changing your definition of
01:11:19 words like changing the definition of
01:11:21 foreknowledge
01:11:24 so if anybody knows what I’m referring
01:11:25 to with on that one uh are you talking
01:11:27 you wouldn’t happen to be referring to
01:11:29 out into the early verses about chapter
01:11:31 13 with you oh I am and
01:11:34 people mistranslated it means something
01:11:37 that it doesn’t
01:11:39 um but anyways
01:11:41 what do you think that means
01:11:43 uh for knowledge
01:11:46 well that ver I know which verses you’re
01:11:48 talking about I was looking at those
01:11:49 recently
01:11:51 and I was wondering if that was
01:11:53 referencing well I felt like it kind of
01:11:55 related to Jeremiah 1 5.
01:11:58 about oh the main reason I’m talking
01:12:01 about it is that gets brought up as
01:12:03 reincarnation
01:12:05 debunks the idea of reincarnation it
01:12:08 actually yeah it actually goes against
01:12:09 the idea because number one the first
01:12:12 this verse is actually not talking
01:12:16 um
01:12:18 and you go into out and go into those
01:12:20 verses in Alma chapter 13. especially
01:12:24 more than do you want more okay so I’ll
01:12:26 get the actual
01:12:30 um
01:12:31 yeah
01:12:33 I’ll get it up
01:12:37 go into Alma chapter 13. my thing is
01:12:40 just people use that chapter to promote
01:12:42 reincarnation but when you actually look
01:12:44 at it especially just that one word for
01:12:46 knowledge it debunks it well the whole
01:12:49 thing the whole thing with knowledge
01:12:50 means god knew before it happened
01:12:54 um right exactly that’s exactly what
01:12:57 foreknowledge means well let’s take a
01:12:59 look at this
01:13:01 and these priests were starting in verse
01:13:03 two and these priests were ordained
01:13:05 after the order of his son in a manner
01:13:07 that thereby the people might know in
01:13:08 what Manner to look forward to his son
01:13:10 for Redemption
01:13:12 and this is the manner after which they
01:13:14 were ordained being called and prepared
01:13:16 being called and prepared from the
01:13:19 foundation of the world according to the
01:13:20 foreknowledge of God on account of their
01:13:22 exceeding faith and good works the first
01:13:24 place being in the first place being
01:13:27 left to choose good or evil therefore
01:13:29 they having chosen good and exercising
01:13:31 exceedingly great faith and called to a
01:13:33 holy calling yea even that Holy calling
01:13:35 which was prepared with and according to
01:13:39 a preparatory Redemption for such this
01:13:41 whole verse if you actually read it and
01:13:43 understand it correctly what was
01:13:47 um what was
01:13:49 prepared from the foundation of the
01:13:50 world was the calling
01:13:54 right that’s what that’s what 13 Verse 3
01:13:57 actually says the calling itself was
01:13:59 prepared from the foundation of the
01:14:01 world those who received it
01:14:03 God might have known who might receive
01:14:06 it
01:14:07 because of his um
01:14:09 that there’s uh the saying of many are
01:14:12 called few are chosen but
01:14:16 um
01:14:16 but also according to the foreknowledge
01:14:19 of God meaning he knew it before but
01:14:22 connected with that is
01:14:24 come in your call if you are chosen
01:14:25 right yeah the call the calling is what
01:14:28 was ordained from the from the
01:14:31 foundation of the earth not the person
01:14:35 the calling itself after that that’s
01:14:38 what they were ordained being called now
01:14:41 it’s talking about specific people not
01:14:44 the the calling in my opinion yeah I’m
01:14:46 just talking about the people who got
01:14:47 the coin
01:14:52 and after this matter which they they
01:14:55 that’s people were ordained yeah
01:14:59 being called and prepared from the
01:15:02 foundation so you got the calling and
01:15:05 you were prepared you were taught
01:15:07 specific things
01:15:08 right the foundation in the world yeah
01:15:10 that yeah okay yeah according to the
01:15:13 foreign knowledge of God what God knew
01:15:16 was going to happen
01:15:17 yeah
01:15:19 I have another comment to make here sure
01:15:21 go ahead
01:15:23 um
01:15:24 I’ve noticed in the Book of Mormon
01:15:26 frequently
01:15:29 um God will talk about
01:15:31 um
01:15:32 how his Plan of Redemption
01:15:35 which was prepared
01:15:37 from the foundation of the world or
01:15:39 something like that it’s almost always
01:15:41 said with that
01:15:44 and so this just struck me now when you
01:15:46 were reading that
01:15:48 it’s always saying that it was prepared
01:15:51 from the foundation of the world it says
01:15:52 it over and over and over again I was
01:15:53 wondering you know why why does it have
01:15:56 to say that
01:15:58 and so I’m wondering if that’s related
01:16:00 to how the Plan of Redemption was laid
01:16:04 you know with these people in mind maybe
01:16:07 that’s you know uh well I I think it’s
01:16:10 foreshouting uh price for organization
01:16:14 is why they’re doing it this way
01:16:16 is because it’s to point to him as this
01:16:19 even in here talks about yeah it even
01:16:21 says that right quite clearly verse two
01:16:24 that thereby the people might know in
01:16:26 what Manner to look forward to his son
01:16:28 for Redemption
01:16:30 right and so a lot of the ways
01:16:36 as I read through the scriptures the
01:16:38 ways that they bring things out because
01:16:42 there’s a lot of ways to say the same
01:16:43 thing right but the ways that they
01:16:46 choose to do it
01:16:48 points to the Sun and his plan
01:16:51 now I see that even within the Book of
01:16:54 Mormon all over the place
01:16:56 all over I mean my favorite example
01:17:00 which we’d need more time to do it but
01:17:04 I’m a 17 and Beyond I know some people
01:17:07 disagree with me but I believe it it’s
01:17:09 pointing
01:17:11 us to yeshua’s moral Ministry
01:17:16 it starts with fasting
01:17:18 yes was more a Ministry search with
01:17:20 fasting and we can just go Point by
01:17:22 point one day and we just read through
01:17:24 it I mean even to the point where
01:17:27 um admin remembered all the orders of
01:17:29 the king
01:17:31 yes I remembered all the laws of Elohim
01:17:34 the king
01:17:36 um and he went and prepared the horses
01:17:40 and then
01:17:43 after
01:17:44 oops
01:17:47 after converting people he had to
01:17:50 um
01:17:51 and when he was leaving
01:17:54 uh
01:18:00 forgetting the king’s name
01:18:04 yeah when he’s leaving Lamoni who he
01:18:08 left was going to leave Malona to go
01:18:10 save
01:18:11 his companions that were in prison his
01:18:14 brothers
01:18:15 that’s like Yeshua coin to hell that way
01:18:20 he could break the bands of bath to
01:18:21 bring them out of it
01:18:24 and at that time he
01:18:28 as he was leaving and going to do that
01:18:30 he’s fighting someone that can very
01:18:33 easily represent Satan right because he
01:18:37 went to stop him and he hates him
01:18:39 anyways
01:18:40 uh he tries to kill him yeah they’re
01:18:45 it’s all over the place and when I
01:18:48 whenever I read those 17 on for quite a
01:18:51 few chapters I see yeshua’s moral
01:18:54 Ministry and results from it
01:18:57 through the whole thing
01:19:00 well you know the interesting thing is
01:19:03 is that right at the very that that
01:19:05 story also happens to be right at the
01:19:07 very center of the Book of Mormon
01:19:10 uh I know people say that but I have
01:19:12 mixed feelings with that because of the
01:19:14 116 pages and
01:19:16 um
01:19:17 the
01:19:20 the first part of the Book of Mormons is
01:19:21 from the small plates and that was not
01:19:23 part of the large plate says 119 or the
01:19:26 116 Pages was it was lost the small
01:19:29 plates was not
01:19:31 and so was it in the center uh according
01:19:35 to music we have I don’t know
01:19:39 from what we have Stephen but but was
01:19:41 God but did God play a hand in US
01:19:43 receiving what we received
01:19:46 uh yeah uh then maybe then maybe God
01:19:49 intended for it to be that way
01:19:52 um foreign
01:20:00 [Laughter]
01:20:05 all right well clearly he planned to
01:20:09 have it be replaced by Nephi well yeah
01:20:12 uh I I was going over that section or a
01:20:17 Nephi
01:20:19 uh second Nephi or no it’s first Nephi
01:20:22 right yeah firstly personally if I nine
01:20:26 yeah yes
01:20:28 um
01:20:29 this is a chiasm you’ve never heard me
01:20:32 say that before what yeah but anyways uh
01:20:36 and this this one right here is a little
01:20:39 interesting tricky but the Lord knows
01:20:41 all things from the beginning
01:20:43 it’s like we were talking about wherever
01:20:45 he prepareth a way to accomplish all his
01:20:47 Works according to the children of men
01:20:48 wear for he had all power into the
01:20:50 filling of all his words and thus it is
01:20:52 amen oh wait there’s one
01:20:55 about only prophets will have the plates
01:20:58 and it when you read it carefully it’s
01:21:00 talking about the large place and not
01:21:02 the small place
01:21:03 and on the place he graved upon him to
01:21:05 King of heart
01:21:10 yes
01:21:13 I’m not seeing it right now and it’s a
01:21:16 side track so I don’t want to get too
01:21:18 much into it so
01:21:20 um we should go back probably our main
01:21:22 point did we answer your question Monica
01:21:24 because we kept going off
01:21:28 um I think though I can’t remember what
01:21:30 my question is it was about tithing oh
01:21:34 yeah tithing you want to go back to
01:21:36 um we should probably go back to diving
01:21:38 [Laughter]
01:21:41 if we want to go back last we’re doing
01:21:45 um I’m a 13. do you want to go back to
01:21:48 that or do you want to go back to
01:21:48 tidings
01:21:52 um or do you want to go back to tour and
01:21:54 Book of Mormon we’re going all over the
01:21:56 place
01:21:58 whatever you guys want to do
01:22:00 uh what do you want and we could always
01:22:03 go back to Doctrine and Covenants 24.
01:22:06 okay well when you’re mostly interested
01:22:08 in touring Book of Mormon I don’t know
01:22:10 all right well let’s do that let’s let’s
01:22:12 do that one since that one is yep let’s
01:22:14 go with that
01:22:16 [Music]
01:22:16 um
01:22:23 [Music]
01:22:24 there it is okay
01:22:32 I we didn’t finish reading this and
01:22:35 there were no yeah too much boredoms
01:22:40 that’s in Torah
01:22:42 lyings Torah tells us not to lie I mean
01:22:46 um
01:22:47 this is in the Ten Commandments this is
01:22:51 The Ten Commandments and I mean there’s
01:22:52 other places too Ten Commandments which
01:22:55 is part of Torah
01:22:56 this in any manner unless
01:22:59 lasciviousness
01:23:02 I forget what that is often man
01:23:11 I think you’re right
01:23:14 um
01:23:15 yeah it’s sexual desires
01:23:18 uh you’re right oops Taurus speaks
01:23:21 against
01:23:22 and
01:23:24 um yes or just reiterated with in The
01:23:27 Sermon on the Mount
01:23:30 um in fact some people here’s a little
01:23:33 tidbit for you I think that
01:23:35 Yeshua made the law harder in determine
01:23:39 them out no he didn’t because the tenth
01:23:42 commandment is not the covet and that’s
01:23:44 the part that people think that Christ
01:23:46 made harder because he says not to covet
01:23:49 I mean
01:23:51 not the exact word but it’s in that
01:23:53 commandment thou shall not covet yep
01:23:56 it’s all in there it’s he’s just
01:23:58 teaching Torah where some people think
01:24:01 that he wasn’t or that he was teaching
01:24:03 something more stigant but he was just
01:24:05 teaching Torah when you actually know it
01:24:08 um but anyways sorry oh go ahead Ben and
01:24:11 he was expanding on tour he was
01:24:13 expanding on Torah expounding up he he
01:24:17 was helping people to return back to
01:24:20 Torah
01:24:22 to make it more clear so that people can
01:24:25 understand how to keep the Commandment
01:24:28 of Thou shalt not covet
01:24:30 yes
01:24:31 um and here’s another little interesting
01:24:33 tidbit for you
01:24:35 um Sermon on the Mount was giving during
01:24:37 Pentecost which is when Torah was given
01:24:40 and that’s true for Matthew 5 and that’s
01:24:44 true true for
01:24:46 uh 30 by 12 also
01:24:50 um and also
01:24:51 um
01:24:54 goes into details of that if you want
01:24:57 and the experience Act 2 is also done it
01:25:00 also happens on that same yeah Acts 2 is
01:25:03 being a cost
01:25:05 yep
01:25:06 um
01:25:07 so
01:25:09 yeah
01:25:09 so the Holy Ghost
01:25:12 oh wait a minute Commandments Holy Ghost
01:25:15 same day
01:25:17 oh it’s because it’s the same thing
01:25:20 because the Commandments are teaching us
01:25:22 how to be holy that’s why it’s called
01:25:24 the Holy Spirit and spirit is behavior
01:25:27 um so it’s teaching us to be holy have
01:25:29 holy Behavior
01:25:31 anyways
01:25:33 um uh abinadai when he was uh reciting
01:25:37 the Ten Commandments that was Pentecost
01:25:39 also in fact
01:25:41 um but it in the account in mosiah it
01:25:44 actually tells us that Benedict’s face
01:25:46 was glowing just like Moses was
01:25:49 so anyways all these little tidbits
01:25:52 tidbit tidbits tidbits
01:25:55 um okay and surely could not be happier
01:25:58 people among all the people who had been
01:26:00 created by the hand of God
01:26:03 um because they’re keeping those blocks
01:26:05 right and there were no robbers uh
01:26:08 because robbing thou shall not steal
01:26:10 that’s you know Torah no murders Torah
01:26:14 either lamanites or any mineral eggs uh
01:26:17 I’m personally not that worried about
01:26:19 that because
01:26:23 in Revelations and and even when they’re
01:26:27 there’s a clear delineation in
01:26:29 Revelations between God’s people and the
01:26:31 people who take the mark
01:26:33 right uh well I think that’s not quite
01:26:36 referring to that but you have the 12
01:26:38 tribes
01:26:41 so yeah but there’s actually the 12
01:26:44 tribes listed in Revelations are not the
01:26:46 same as the 12 tribes listed in um
01:26:52 multiple times that the 12 tribes are
01:26:54 listed and they’re not the same
01:26:57 ever right I think right I don’t
01:26:59 remember how many times it’s it’s
01:27:02 the more the focus is the 12 then is the
01:27:05 actual names well because because 12 is
01:27:08 another number for symbolic number
01:27:10 another symbolic number of completion
01:27:12 yeah uh three times four
01:27:16 um but anyways
01:27:18 uh even when Judas was you know
01:27:23 hung himself
01:27:25 they had they cast lots to
01:27:27 pick another Apostle off of ones that
01:27:30 were uh qualified for it but anyways
01:27:35 um I think the 12 because depending I
01:27:39 look at it there generally people talk
01:27:41 about 12 or 13 tribes
01:27:43 but you could even even maybe go up to
01:27:47 14 if you really want to but I generally
01:27:51 I I’ve never heard anybody talk about it
01:27:53 that way even in the scriptures that’s
01:27:55 just that’s me but
01:27:58 anyways uh there were no robbers
01:28:02 numerous the Torah Torah manorites
01:28:06 they’re all in one
01:28:08 that’s Torah the Shema
01:28:11 yes
01:28:13 but they were one being one is Torah
01:28:17 uh and the intercessory prayer in the
01:28:19 New Testament which is just pointing
01:28:21 right back to Torah
01:28:22 the the children of Christ the Messiah
01:28:26 which children is a Hebrew idiom for
01:28:29 follower
01:28:31 and Christ taught Torah
01:28:33 so that just points to Torah because I
01:28:36 mean the Book of Mormon talks about how
01:28:38 we become children all right
01:28:42 um
01:28:45 adopt it where’s my oh there we go
01:28:48 here’s some become good become ones are
01:28:52 here’s some of the better ones
01:28:54 um
01:28:56 became
01:28:58 becoming but anyways see it’s all
01:29:00 through the scriptures it’s even in
01:29:01 Genesis
01:29:03 yeah became
01:29:06 yeah so yeah our Salvation is about
01:29:09 becoming yeah it’s
01:29:12 and we’re adopted it’s we’re not literal
01:29:16 children of God and
01:29:20 um anyways
01:29:22 I think you’ve read my post on that it’s
01:29:25 a chiasm of
01:29:28 bringing stuff from Abraham
01:29:31 uh it’s that one
01:29:36 the idea that
01:29:38 um we’re literal children came with
01:29:40 Brigham Young and his horndog activities
01:29:43 and trying to testify
01:29:47 um but anyways
01:29:48 and Heirs of the kingdom of God and I
01:29:53 mean
01:29:54 Deuteronomy 28 and 29 are big for me on
01:29:58 that one
01:29:59 um but because it’s the blessings and
01:30:02 the cursings which has to do with the
01:30:04 kingdom of God and all that just but
01:30:05 anyways yeah well the blessing and the
01:30:08 blessing is that we become heiress the
01:30:10 kingdom of God inherit the land
01:30:14 um
01:30:15 yeah that’s part of it but I mean they
01:30:18 they
01:30:19 it lists temporal blessings too but
01:30:22 anyways
01:30:24 so 35 21 16 through 17 and I will cut
01:30:28 off witchcraft’s own
01:30:31 that’s Torah
01:30:33 in that Torah
01:30:36 um
01:30:37 calls witchcraft ascend
01:30:40 and thou shalt have no other anymore
01:30:45 that’s Torah like Raven image I should
01:30:49 also be cut off that’s Torah and my
01:30:52 standing images out of the midst of the
01:30:54 Torah
01:30:55 and thou shalt no more worship the hands
01:30:58 of thy hands Torah I do believe the
01:31:00 third move by 21 is also correspondent
01:31:03 to Isaiah
01:31:06 um let’s look real quick
01:31:10 I don’t have all those memories if so
01:31:12 I’m going to add that to the notes
01:31:14 let’s see
01:31:20 I have to move these windows around no
01:31:24 actually no it’s actually before the uh
01:31:26 I think it may be before the Isaiah uh I
01:31:29 just like it’s not so it’s hard to
01:31:31 remember all of those okay so another
01:31:34 one Mormon one and it came to pass there
01:31:37 were Sorcerers and witchcrafts and
01:31:39 magicians and the power of the evil one
01:31:42 it was brought upon all the face of the
01:31:45 land even onto the filling of the words
01:31:46 of ability which was quoting Torah and
01:31:50 also Sammy the lamanite
01:31:52 um
01:31:53 now I’m not estimated with Samuel the
01:31:56 lamanite on this part right here so we’d
01:31:58 have to go look but it’s talking about
01:32:01 how this is bad right
01:32:04 how do we know that it’s bad how do you
01:32:06 know it’s bad because Dora states that
01:32:08 those are sins
01:32:11 exactly associated with the power of the
01:32:14 evil one
01:32:16 um and how do we know it because it’s in
01:32:18 Torah otherwise it’s just an opinion
01:32:20 yeah I mean because a big thing about
01:32:22 Sorcerers and magicians they do supposed
01:32:26 necromancy do you know what that is
01:32:29 yeah talking to the Dead
01:32:32 okay
01:32:34 uh and that’s forbidden in Torah and
01:32:38 that’s primarily what why people go to
01:32:40 which is
01:32:42 one of the reasons right especially
01:32:43 today that’s even still
01:32:46 and you’re not talking to the dead
01:32:48 you’re talking to Demons
01:32:53 um and Alma 40 talks about when we die
01:32:58 you just rest
01:32:59 from all our worries and we’re doing
01:33:01 nothing except just waiting for the
01:33:03 resurrection we’re not talking to our
01:33:06 relatives when we’re dead
01:33:08 I know some restoration churches
01:33:10 including the other church will teach
01:33:11 that that the dead will come visit their
01:33:14 family you know and according downward
01:33:16 40.
01:33:18 um they’re just
01:33:20 they stay there
01:33:22 until the resurrection yeah yeah that’s
01:33:25 what I’ve been wondering that lately
01:33:26 actually I’m sure but I know we can go
01:33:31 Sidetrack on that
01:33:32 now I know for a fact that um
01:33:36 I know for a fact that I uh
01:33:39 you know my brother Andrew claimed to
01:33:42 have been to have felt the presence of
01:33:44 my mom after her death short right after
01:33:47 her death
01:33:49 but I didn’t but I felt nothing
01:33:53 I didn’t even know she had died until my
01:33:56 brother called me
01:33:59 and uh
01:34:01 yeah
01:34:03 so it’s a really interesting it’s a
01:34:05 really interesting thing
01:34:07 well I know a lot that might have just
01:34:09 been him that might have just been his
01:34:11 own imagination tricking himself uh I’m
01:34:14 more inclined on that personally
01:34:18 um but maybe a demon I I don’t know but
01:34:21 I I what I know is what Alma party
01:34:24 teaches
01:34:25 um let’s see if we can find the verses
01:34:29 um
01:34:30 now starting verse six maybe uh
01:34:34 so
01:34:36 now they okay and now they must each be
01:34:39 spaced between the time of death and a
01:34:40 time of Resurrection so that’s probably
01:34:41 a good place to start and now I would
01:34:43 inquire that the cometh of The Souls of
01:34:46 men from the time of the death to the
01:34:48 time appointed to for the resurrection
01:34:50 now I think we’re in the right spot
01:34:53 now whether there is sorry say something
01:34:56 I said maybe oh that is commentary
01:35:03 now whether there is more than one time
01:35:06 appointed for men to rise a matter of
01:35:08 thought so he doesn’t know if there’s
01:35:09 one two three four or whatever
01:35:12 times right
01:35:14 for all do not die at once and this
01:35:18 matters not all that is one day with God
01:35:21 and time is only measured unto man
01:35:24 so
01:35:25 that just means uh
01:35:28 are
01:35:29 so measuring is has to do with like a
01:35:33 measuring tape you have a certain amount
01:35:35 of time just like in second by two right
01:35:38 or give enough time to repent it’s
01:35:41 measured we have a certain amount of
01:35:43 time
01:35:45 um therefore there is a time appointed
01:35:47 on a man that he shall rise from the
01:35:49 dead and there is a space between the
01:35:51 time of death and the resurrection and
01:35:54 now concerning this this base of time
01:35:56 what cometh of the Soul Men
01:35:59 is the thing which I’ve inquired
01:36:01 digitally of Yahweh to know and this
01:36:04 thing of which I do know
01:36:08 and when the time cometh when all shall
01:36:11 rise then shall they know that Elohim
01:36:14 knoweth all the times which are
01:36:17 appointed unto men
01:36:19 so God knows all and now concerning the
01:36:22 state of the Soul between the death and
01:36:24 the resurrection behold it has been made
01:36:27 known unto me by an Angel that the
01:36:30 spirits of all men as soon as they
01:36:32 departed from Mortal body May the
01:36:34 spirits of all men whether it be good or
01:36:36 evil or taken home to that God who give
01:36:39 them life
01:36:41 so they go see God for a second
01:36:43 or I don’t know how long but they go
01:36:45 back to him and then shall it come to
01:36:48 pass so after they go home then the
01:36:52 spirits of those who are righteous are
01:36:54 received into a state of happiness which
01:36:57 is called Paradise a state of rest a
01:36:59 state of peace
01:37:00 worth
01:37:01 where they shall rest from all their
01:37:04 troubles and from all their cares and
01:37:07 sorrows
01:37:08 and then it shall come to pass the
01:37:12 spirits of the wicked
01:37:13 yea who are evil for behold they have no
01:37:17 part nor portion of the spirit of Yahweh
01:37:21 for behold they have chosen evil Works
01:37:24 rather than good therefore the spirits
01:37:26 of the devil that enter into them
01:37:29 and take possession of their house and
01:37:31 these shall be cast into outer Darkness
01:37:34 and there shall be weeping and wailing
01:37:36 and gnashing teeth and this because of
01:37:38 their own iniquity being led captive by
01:37:40 the will of the devil now this is the
01:37:43 state of the soul of the wicked yea in
01:37:45 darkness and the state of awful fearful
01:37:48 looking for fiery indignation of the
01:37:51 wrath of God upon them thus they remain
01:37:55 and let me read that again thus the
01:37:57 remain in this state neither Paradise
01:38:01 or outer Darkness
01:38:03 now that’s kind of weird because others
01:38:05 Church says something different about
01:38:06 that term but anyways as well as
01:38:09 righteous and Paradise until the time of
01:38:12 their Resurrection
01:38:16 well being there
01:38:19 the only the only reason that they say
01:38:21 something different about uh the only
01:38:23 outer darkness is to find I wonder if
01:38:26 it’s defined differently in 76. if
01:38:29 they’re talking about a different outer
01:38:31 Darkness
01:38:32 Doctrine Covenant 76.
01:38:35 does that does 76 use outer Darkness I
01:38:39 forget yeah yes it does
01:38:42 describing this Final in the final state
01:38:46 of the uh okay after the after the
01:38:50 resurrection of Judgment of those who
01:38:53 had no light in them at all
01:38:58 who denied so I’m in DNC 76 and I go
01:39:03 control of outer unless I spelled it
01:39:05 wrong
01:39:08 it doesn’t find Darkness either
01:39:11 okay
01:39:13 um let me go there
01:39:15 okay well he’s looking there I I think
01:39:18 we read enough on Alma 40 we can maybe
01:39:21 read a little more
01:39:23 you know there were some I understood
01:39:25 this happening State misery of this Soul
01:39:27 because the resurrection at first
01:39:29 resurrection yeah it was terminated
01:39:31 term to Resurrection so
01:39:33 this is kind of bringing how the Jews
01:39:36 had Resurrection
01:39:38 incorrect okay so maybe they’re actually
01:39:42 just using
01:39:44 okay thus we saw a vision of the
01:39:46 sufferings of those I do see hell
01:39:49 on January 34. I’m just I’m looking at
01:39:53 30th yeah but that’s that’s a different
01:39:56 thing verse 84 you’re talking about the
01:39:58 Celestial Kingdom
01:40:00 um
01:40:01 we saw a vision of the sufferings of
01:40:03 those who made more with whom he made
01:40:05 war and overcame for thus came the voice
01:40:07 of the Lord unto us thus saith the Lord
01:40:09 concerning all those we’re starting in
01:40:11 verse 30.
01:40:12 thus saith the Lord concerning all those
01:40:14 who know my power
01:40:16 and have been made for takers thereof
01:40:18 two things here and have suffered
01:40:20 themselves through the power of the
01:40:22 devil to be overcome and to deny the
01:40:24 truth and Define my power there they who
01:40:26 are the sons of Perdition of whom I say
01:40:28 that it had been better for them never
01:40:30 to have been born for their vessels of
01:40:31 Wrath doomed to suffer the wrath of God
01:40:33 but the devil and his angels in eternity
01:40:36 concerning whom I have said there is no
01:40:37 forgiveness in this world nor in the
01:40:39 world to come having denied the Holy
01:40:41 Spirit after having received it and
01:40:44 having denied the the whole the only
01:40:46 begotten son of the father having
01:40:47 crucified him unto themselves and put
01:40:49 him to an open shame these are those who
01:40:51 shall go away into the lake to fire in
01:40:53 Brimstone with the devil and his angels
01:40:55 and the only ones on whom the second
01:40:56 death shall have any power they verily
01:40:58 the only ones who shall not be redeemed
01:41:00 in the due time of the Lord after the
01:41:02 sufferings of his wrath for all the rest
01:41:04 shall be okay so he’s not actually
01:41:06 speaking of a particular place except
01:41:09 that he’s going away they’re being sent
01:41:11 away with the devil and his angels he
01:41:13 doesn’t actually they don’t they don’t
01:41:15 name it here yeah anyways it’s sometimes
01:41:20 it’s it’s interesting when you read some
01:41:22 of these things in contrast at what we
01:41:24 were taught growing up right it’s yeah I
01:41:26 know it’s a little
01:41:28 different
01:41:30 anyways
01:41:31 um I I just was skimming through more
01:41:34 through here and I think we
01:41:36 uh up to 14 I think pretty much states
01:41:40 that they just remain in that state
01:41:42 yeah
01:41:43 meaning
01:41:46 they don’t come back and talk to us
01:41:47 because that would be leaving that state
01:41:49 right in fact those in Paradise
01:41:54 are rusting and aren’t worrying about
01:41:57 anything so yeah my my question my
01:42:01 question is does this indicate that we
01:42:03 basically just forget our lives or
01:42:07 we just forget about the worries of them
01:42:09 we forget about the worries
01:42:13 because we still have to have a good
01:42:14 answer for the Judgment bar of God I
01:42:17 mean there are people there are people
01:42:19 who read stuff like this because the
01:42:20 Bible’s got verses that say that then
01:42:23 say stuff like this too yeah and then
01:42:26 some people’s name interesting
01:42:28 interpretations of those two
01:42:31 exactly basically nobody remembers
01:42:34 anything after they leave this life is
01:42:36 what they say uh or or like they’re kind
01:42:39 of in limbo and they’re kind of
01:42:42 non-existent I’ve heard that right
01:42:43 here’s the thing I don’t believe that
01:42:45 one
01:42:47 in the same chapter Alma says they’re
01:42:50 brought before I think it’s in the same
01:42:52 chapter they’re brought before the
01:42:53 Judgment bar of God as a day of judgment
01:42:56 and they are brought to a full
01:42:59 remembrance of all their guilt of
01:43:02 everything they did not repent of
01:43:06 well if it doesn’t say here it says
01:43:08 other places so yeah the concept I’m
01:43:11 trying with I I don’t remember if that’s
01:43:13 an album of 40 though but I think it’s
01:43:15 in 39 million 39. it’s when he’s
01:43:19 teaching one of his sons I remember that
01:43:21 well that wouldn’t be probably the same
01:43:23 side as this one because that would be
01:43:25 the wicked son that needs that one
01:43:28 yeah
01:43:28 but anyways but a bit of the fear of God
01:43:32 uh yeah I mean I’m a 42 kind of talks
01:43:36 about how the fear God will get people
01:43:37 to repent but anyways back to Monica’s
01:43:41 question though I I did did these verses
01:43:45 um kind of answer your question that you
01:43:48 have on that or do you we need to want
01:43:51 to look into it more
01:43:55 here muted Monica so I can’t hear you
01:44:02 um
01:44:04 maybe she stepped away for a minute so I
01:44:07 because
01:44:09 she’s muted sorry it was on mute I was
01:44:12 talking but I didn’t realize it was on
01:44:13 mute okay
01:44:16 oh that’s fine and so did that help do
01:44:20 you want to do you have any
01:44:22 um no yeah
01:44:23 I was just explaining that my um
01:44:26 I have a friend that had a couple close
01:44:30 family members died recently so I was
01:44:32 and she was feeling sad that her her
01:44:35 mother hasn’t come back to see her or
01:44:37 communicated with her at all
01:44:39 so I was trying to look for some
01:44:42 guidance on that well I’m a 40.
01:44:45 [Music]
01:44:46 um
01:44:47 tells you that they’re just staying rest
01:44:51 um and wherever they went they just stay
01:44:53 there
01:44:54 uh Torah speaks against necron
01:44:57 see speaking into the dead
01:45:01 um so
01:45:02 if someone does come and it looks like
01:45:05 her it’s probably a devil
01:45:07 um yeah
01:45:09 I now
01:45:10 so
01:45:12 believing the restoration at least I do
01:45:15 believe that
01:45:16 um
01:45:18 Book of Mormon brings this out and I
01:45:20 think the DNC does too
01:45:22 um maybe the jst
01:45:24 but how Moses didn’t die
01:45:30 I believe
01:45:32 he was translated or transfigured I
01:45:36 don’t remember which one
01:45:37 um
01:45:38 because there’s a one’s more permanent
01:45:40 than the other
01:45:42 but anyways
01:45:43 um
01:45:44 he had to have that happen because he
01:45:48 saw Yeshua on the mount and that was
01:45:50 before the resurrection
01:45:51 so that’s why I didn’t die
01:45:55 now Moroni right because Moroni did come
01:45:59 and visit Joseph Smith first of all
01:46:01 Joseph Smith didn’t pray to him he
01:46:04 prayed to Elohim Yahweh
01:46:07 oh God and then God sent an angel to him
01:46:11 right that’s a little different but the
01:46:15 angel Moroni was resurrected he wasn’t
01:46:18 dead
01:46:19 any longer so it’s that’s not an epic
01:46:23 neckburn Nazi because he’s not dead
01:46:25 says he had his physical body he’s no
01:46:29 longer dead right
01:46:31 but anyways just a couple little
01:46:34 thoughts on that so hopefully that’s
01:46:36 some helpful
01:46:37 um
01:46:42 I don’t know the people so I can’t say
01:46:44 anything about where they’re going but
01:46:46 um
01:46:48 I would just say hopefully they they
01:46:50 went to a peaceful place
01:46:52 but we can’t judge that for sure because
01:46:56 uh some people I’m like i7 brings
01:46:59 out some people will do good acts but
01:47:01 we’ll do it for the wrong reasons and
01:47:03 God doesn’t count it as righteousness
01:47:06 so we we can’t know that because we we
01:47:11 may know the actions but we don’t know
01:47:13 the motives
01:47:17 so yeah
01:47:22 but maybe that’ll help her feel better
01:47:24 that she actually hasn’t come and visit
01:47:26 her because she can’t yeah right so yeah
01:47:30 there I mean there’s a
01:47:32 um a lot of people you know that’ll talk
01:47:33 about
01:47:34 family members coming to
01:47:36 say thank you to people who are doing
01:47:38 their work in the temple right
01:47:40 uh well first of all I don’t believe
01:47:42 that for two reasons one I’m a 40 and
01:47:46 two I don’t believe in the work for the
01:47:49 dead on
01:47:50 um right you so
01:47:54 the work for the dead that the LDS
01:47:56 church does
01:47:57 um
01:47:58 presumes that people can repent after
01:48:00 they die and the Book of Mormon clearly
01:48:02 states that they cannot
01:48:04 right and I mean if you want we can go
01:48:07 look at some of those
01:48:09 um but no that’s okay I was just my mom
01:48:12 recently was just in the temple and she
01:48:13 was telling me how she really felt you
01:48:15 know this overwhelming presence of
01:48:17 somebody there with her
01:48:19 going through the veil and I was just
01:48:21 wondering you know who that might be
01:48:23 um
01:48:24 my personal opinion a demon
01:48:28 yeah
01:48:30 so but it’s it’s interesting though I
01:48:32 feel like I’m learning more about how
01:48:35 uh those demons I guess can like they
01:48:39 can really be like an angel of Light or
01:48:41 bring like well they can appear as an
01:48:43 angel of life or something I don’t know
01:48:47 I just I feel like I’m learning more and
01:48:49 more about people having these false you
01:48:51 know
01:48:52 Revelations and experiences and visions
01:48:55 and things and
01:48:57 it’s just interesting
01:49:01 um Satan has deceived the world
01:49:07 and yet at the same time
01:49:10 I would say that while it’s important to
01:49:14 recognize false Revelations it’s also
01:49:17 important to recognize if not ever let
01:49:19 not every claim to Revelation is false
01:49:22 and so we but we have the means given to
01:49:25 us whereby we can judge right and we are
01:49:30 to test it uh we are tested against the
01:49:34 scriptures
01:49:35 if it contradicts if blood is being
01:49:38 taught contradicts the scriptures
01:49:42 we cannot accept it and say that we walk
01:49:45 in the light
01:49:47 correct
01:49:51 um in fact
01:49:53 um
01:49:55 and just going back to some light
01:49:57 scriptures
01:50:00 oh yes we like light yeah I mean
01:50:04 to the law and to the testimony if they
01:50:07 speak not according to this word the law
01:50:11 and the testimony and the Ark of the
01:50:14 Covenant has multiple names including
01:50:16 the Ark of the law and the Ark of the
01:50:18 testimony
01:50:19 and the testimony that they’re talking
01:50:22 about is the law
01:50:24 law gets called multiple things because
01:50:28 it’s a testimony because it’s a
01:50:29 testimony against us or for us
01:50:32 depending if we keep it or break it
01:50:35 because we’re
01:50:37 condemned by the law or we’re also
01:50:40 partly saved by the law yeah there it
01:50:43 the law plays a part in our um
01:50:47 in our consecration
01:50:50 yeah
01:50:53 sanctification I mean there’s
01:50:55 justification and sanctification yeah it
01:50:58 plays a particle and it plays a part in
01:51:00 a boat yeah yeah and that’s in the Book
01:51:02 of Mormon New Testament and DNC that’s
01:51:05 right
01:51:06 and I don’t know where that is in Old
01:51:09 Testament but I’m still learning that
01:51:11 one but anyways
01:51:13 um but Isaiah 8 to the law and to the
01:51:16 testimony if they speak not according to
01:51:18 this word it is because there is no
01:51:20 light in them
01:51:23 and first of all it’s because the law is
01:51:25 a light and they’re speaking against it
01:51:27 it’s because they don’t have it in them
01:51:29 but in addition is because and there are
01:51:33 many people there are many people out
01:51:36 there who posit themselves as spiritual
01:51:38 teachers
01:51:39 to teach against keeping the law
01:51:43 most of them I’d say actually
01:51:48 um even within the restoration pretty
01:51:51 much I
01:51:52 I don’t know
01:51:54 one formal Restoration Church
01:51:58 that teaches to keep the law
01:52:02 in fact I I finished watching
01:52:06 that one series that the doctrine Christ
01:52:08 put about the guy from the RLS Church
01:52:13 uh the problems with the church or
01:52:15 something like that
01:52:17 um and he specifically there’s lots of
01:52:21 things in it that I have problems with
01:52:22 some more problems than others but he
01:52:25 specifically taught against the law
01:52:28 and that is not uncomfortable
01:52:33 um yeah there’s uh no if ends or buts
01:52:37 about it I mean we the spirit of the low
01:52:39 back to the Torah and Book of Mormon but
01:52:42 sorry go ahead yeah right now the spirit
01:52:44 of lawlessness plagues the restoration
01:52:47 movement yeah
01:52:49 um if you want I I did a commentary on
01:52:53 Joseph Smith by stream and
01:52:56 the the farm uh
01:53:00 it’s seaboards were all beaten up and
01:53:03 the seaboards are to keep out the Sea
01:53:06 and the sea is where the Beast comes
01:53:09 from and the restoration has not
01:53:11 protected against that
01:53:15 um and so it’s near the end of this
01:53:17 recording if you want to watch it
01:53:21 um
01:53:22 let’s a little long but hopefully you
01:53:25 find it worth it but
01:53:28 um it’s in Joseph Smith’s last dream
01:53:29 that it’s coming or it has come actually
01:53:32 he asked me it it pretty much came right
01:53:35 after he died and he asked me because I
01:53:39 although I think Joseph Smith III was
01:53:41 better than Brigham Young he did some
01:53:44 questionable things in mind yeah he he
01:53:47 was he he was subject to trying to force
01:53:51 um visions
01:53:53 uh that and some other things I find
01:53:55 questionable but yeah yeah unfortunate
01:53:57 visions of Satan uh he was using drugs
01:54:00 which is witchcraft which Taurus speaks
01:54:03 against yeah
01:54:04 um
01:54:06 oh anyways
01:54:08 uh I think we left off at Mormon one
01:54:12 power okay so those are all against
01:54:15 Torah
01:54:16 and the reason they can say it’s evil
01:54:18 because it’s against Torah
01:54:20 because and here’s the sections of Torah
01:54:23 that it is against
01:54:25 uh uh yes I put those in there uh in my
01:54:30 notes so I wouldn’t forget
01:54:31 [Laughter]
01:54:34 it’s hard to remember everything
01:54:37 especially yeah yeah so if you want the
01:54:40 quote I mean it actually seizures
01:54:43 it actually contradicts Torah five
01:54:47 different places to actually practice
01:54:49 that kind of spiritualistic
01:54:52 um
01:54:52 witchcraft that I five that I know of
01:54:56 yeah five where it’s obvious
01:55:00 yeah in fact
01:55:01 um
01:55:02 just as remembering it all I’m just
01:55:05 gonna
01:55:06 um
01:55:09 there’s a couple places in the book of
01:55:11 moment it says this but this is one that
01:55:12 I remember off top my head uh if I set
01:55:15 it to I don’t remember which chapter is
01:55:18 but
01:55:19 here
01:55:26 so and he also taught them concerning
01:55:29 the records which were graving upon the
01:55:30 blast plate saying my sons I would that
01:55:33 you should remember that it was not for
01:55:34 these plates the brass plates which has
01:55:37 Torah on them and most of the Tanakh
01:55:40 that we have today there are some
01:55:42 differences right but anyways which
01:55:44 contained these probably some and
01:55:46 probably some different books oh yeah
01:55:48 they have some books in it that we don’t
01:55:49 have
01:55:50 um yeah in fact it’s in one post I need
01:55:52 to finish you’ve never heard me say that
01:55:54 I bring out how
01:55:57 there was a council that took book out
01:56:00 of that estimate
01:56:03 um so but anyways that’s another subject
01:56:05 which contains these records and these
01:56:07 Commandments but we must suffered an
01:56:09 ignorance even at this time not knowing
01:56:13 the mysteries of God look at this
01:56:15 the mysteries of God are in Torah and
01:56:18 the Tanakh
01:56:20 because I just said it was in the
01:56:21 breastplates what’s the best place torn
01:56:23 to knock
01:56:24 that’s where the Mysteries are it’s not
01:56:26 in these pretended teachers that don’t
01:56:29 know this stuff
01:56:31 anyways or is not possible that our
01:56:35 father Lehi could have remembered all
01:56:37 these things to have taught them to his
01:56:39 children and accept it be for the help
01:56:40 of these plates
01:56:42 so anyways
01:56:44 it’s important to
01:56:46 have a written down and also notes of
01:56:49 your own in fact I’ve noticed as you
01:56:52 make your own notes you remember things
01:56:53 more you may not exactly remember where
01:56:55 but the the principles stay with you
01:57:00 I agree
01:57:03 um
01:57:04 so and then plus you could show people
01:57:06 your notes and then you can make them
01:57:07 think how smart you are because you can
01:57:09 show five instances of it okay
01:57:14 the leaves I think the ladies I think
01:57:16 you’re really smart or they’ll think
01:57:18 you’re really anal
01:57:21 or or that you you studied it out and
01:57:24 you made notes yes
01:57:27 that’s probably the most correct thing
01:57:30 to think
01:57:32 here’s an interesting thing that I’ve
01:57:34 always wondered when Ben and I was
01:57:36 reading stuff or you know doing his
01:57:38 sermon to King Noah and the priests if
01:57:44 you read carefully there’s a verse that
01:57:45 says that he was he read it he didn’t
01:57:47 have it all memorized he was reading it
01:57:49 yeah he didn’t remember all word for
01:57:52 word
01:57:53 um he read it he maybe about specific
01:57:58 ones with him and maybe brought more
01:58:00 just in case but anyways he read a lot
01:58:03 of what he did
01:58:05 um and mosiah I think it’s 13 it says
01:58:09 that but I’d have to double check again
01:58:10 but anyways we’re I sidetracked a lot
01:58:14 sorry Mormon 9 27 I love that I love
01:58:17 that verse okay you want to read it oh
01:58:20 then despise not and wonder not but
01:58:24 hearken under the words of the Lord and
01:58:25 asked the father in the name of Jesus
01:58:27 for what things so ever ye shall stand
01:58:29 in need doubt not but be believing and
01:58:34 begin as in times of old
01:58:38 and come unto the Lord with all your
01:58:40 heart and work out your own salvation
01:58:42 with fear and trembling before him
01:58:45 so
01:58:47 um
01:58:48 do you want to bring out the Torah stuff
01:58:49 and then I can add stuff then or do you
01:58:51 want me to do it well the number one
01:58:55 this points out this
01:58:57 this process of coming unto the Lord
01:58:59 with all your heart one of the things
01:59:01 that I real that I want to point out
01:59:03 bring out I don’t know if there’s other
01:59:05 things that Stephen wants to talk about
01:59:06 this process
01:59:10 is as old as man
01:59:14 Adam had it
01:59:17 it was restored through Adam had it all
01:59:21 the way up through Abraham Isaac and
01:59:22 Jacob
01:59:23 Joseph
01:59:25 Moses restored it
01:59:28 and uh Moses was a restoration yeah he
01:59:32 was
01:59:32 and uh and so and the this idea of
01:59:37 working out your own salvation with fear
01:59:39 and trembling that’s the way we work out
01:59:41 our own salvation is by keeping Torah
01:59:45 I obeying his Commandments
01:59:48 um
01:59:50 doubt not but be believing
01:59:52 how do we show that we believe be by
01:59:55 showing that we believe that God’s word
01:59:57 is the god the God’s word and blessing
02:00:00 and punishment for his for the keeping
02:00:03 of his Commandments is
02:00:05 true and faithful what is the source of
02:00:08 God’s power
02:00:09 is honor
02:00:11 his honor comes
02:00:13 because he doesn’t change
02:00:16 is unchanging
02:00:19 doubt not but be believing and begin as
02:00:22 in times of old
02:00:23 to come unto the Lord with all your
02:00:25 heart
02:00:27 that’s also the first and this is the
02:00:30 first commandment of the law another
02:00:32 wording for the first commandment
02:00:34 first great commandment to love the Lord
02:00:37 thy God with all thy heart mind and
02:00:39 strength
02:00:40 work out your own salvation with fear
02:00:42 and trembling before him
02:00:44 is there anything else
02:00:45 uh you’ve probably pretty much had a all
02:00:48 your heart is definitely uh from Torah
02:00:50 and it’s coming to him and love him and
02:00:53 like Ben said it’s part of the first
02:00:54 commandment and you kind of touched
02:00:57 about as the beginning of old times
02:00:59 I’m just going to add a little bit more
02:01:01 to that and book a million states that
02:01:03 Adam had Torah and if you want to
02:01:06 Sidetrack on that I can show that or we
02:01:08 can continue down on these other verses
02:01:11 it’s up to you Monica
02:01:14 um we can keep going okay
02:01:16 all right everyone’s gonna die here soon
02:01:19 just I might cut out oh okay
02:01:22 um well if you do we can always put up
02:01:25 pick up uh next time you come
02:01:27 um okay
02:01:28 but Mormon 411 and it is possible for
02:01:31 the tongue to describe it and it is
02:01:34 impossible for the time to describe or
02:01:36 for man to write a perfect description
02:01:38 of the horrible scene of the blood and
02:01:40 Carnage which was among the people both
02:01:42 of the Nephites and the laminites
02:01:45 and for every heart was hardened to
02:01:48 hardened against what the law so they
02:01:50 delighted in the shedding of blood
02:01:52 continuing
02:01:55 oh that I missed that this is actually
02:01:59 this is actually in violation of the um
02:02:03 this is actually in violation of the
02:02:05 first uh of the first tour in the first
02:02:08 in the first four commandment given to
02:02:10 Noah as he comes off the ark
02:02:13 the the lighting the shedding of blood
02:02:16 Continuum women yeah
02:02:18 um which is in Torah and also it’s just
02:02:22 murder in general
02:02:24 um but
02:02:26 how do we know that it takes it even to
02:02:29 a further degree so how do we how do we
02:02:32 know that it’s truly wrong truly
02:02:33 horrific
02:02:36 because the Torah describes it as such
02:02:38 right
02:02:39 um
02:02:40 also interesting in Deuteronomy 28 29
02:02:43 one of the curses is Bloodshed for
02:02:47 breaking Torah so it’s interesting
02:02:51 that God’s put a curse on people
02:02:55 that stated in Torah
02:02:59 that also implies that Torah
02:03:01 is still valid because if the curse is
02:03:03 valid
02:03:05 what it’s a curse from is also valid
02:03:08 does that make sense
02:03:11 yeah
02:03:13 one of the things I’ve been looking at
02:03:16 also sorry no that’s fine
02:03:20 the you know the penalties that were
02:03:22 part of the
02:03:24 Temple ceremony
02:03:26 oh yeah the Torah speaks against that
02:03:30 and so does the book of Moses even just
02:03:33 if you just want to go restoration
02:03:36 um yeah but I was I’ve been looking at
02:03:38 um
02:03:39 some of those and they are actually
02:03:41 there are
02:03:43 not that we are supposed to be doing
02:03:46 those things to each other but I think
02:03:48 it might be in reference to God’s you
02:03:51 know cursing against those who don’t
02:03:55 you know keep their covenants or keep
02:03:57 the law or whatever uh yeah so you know
02:04:00 like their bodies are going to be
02:04:01 mingled by beasts in the wilderness
02:04:05 um yes and that’s the way that the
02:04:09 Masons and the LDS Church use it in
02:04:11 their temples is a twisting of what’s
02:04:13 being done in the scriptures because it
02:04:15 because yes the scriptures do talk about
02:04:17 the beasts of the fields
02:04:19 um
02:04:20 partaking of
02:04:22 our flesh in fact if I remember I
02:04:25 I’d have to look at nodes but uh Lehman
02:04:28 and Lemuel was going to go give Nephi
02:04:30 out to the beach the field and I think
02:04:33 there’s a couple
02:04:35 yeah
02:04:36 um here
02:04:38 is in
02:04:40 and so here I have yeah you can kind of
02:04:45 so it’s it’s in the the curses so
02:04:50 Deuteronomy 28 26 has is in the cursing
02:04:53 section
02:04:54 or not uh following Torah yep right
02:05:01 um and so to me I see now what they’re
02:05:05 doing as a as a twisting
02:05:07 of
02:05:08 that
02:05:11 um because
02:05:12 uh
02:05:13 they’ll do it themselves to them they’ll
02:05:16 speed it up because
02:05:18 the problem is when Masons break it
02:05:21 they’re actually starting to be
02:05:24 or honest and work towards God’s means
02:05:27 instead of Satan’s means and so they
02:05:30 need to do it themselves
02:05:33 um
02:05:34 and so it’s a little twisting but yeah
02:05:38 but I so I have a
02:05:42 I used to be a supreme Mason
02:05:46 um whoops
02:05:47 but put in the post how
02:05:50 when I was a Freemason uh maybe I just
02:05:53 put things
02:05:55 I used to see some of these verses and I
02:05:57 looked at it a slightly different way
02:05:58 but after I woke up to it
02:06:02 um which a lot of God’s help
02:06:05 I saw it differently
02:06:07 um
02:06:08 but anyways but
02:06:12 um
02:06:13 a lot of the evil will take what’s good
02:06:16 and just twist it a little bit so it’s
02:06:17 harder for those who are less studied to
02:06:20 notice the air that’s going on
02:06:24 um
02:06:27 and it started with Satan right
02:06:31 so it’s nothing new it’s just we have to
02:06:34 be
02:06:35 diligent about even Satan did it with
02:06:39 Christ during you know his three
02:06:41 Temptations Satan Twisted scripture
02:06:45 Yeshua at that time
02:06:48 um so we just have to really
02:06:51 and yes more than just a a memorized
02:06:55 verse you got to know the context goes
02:06:57 along with it too
02:06:59 Nessa always came back with the correct
02:07:02 scripture in context
02:07:04 uh yeah and correct interpretation
02:07:06 understanding but yeah yeah
02:07:10 um so now
02:07:13 okay so under the next one
02:07:17 row 995 for so occasionally did they
02:07:21 anger that it seemeth me that they have
02:07:24 no fear of death and they lost their
02:07:28 love
02:07:28 okay yes
02:07:32 yeah they
02:07:33 um they lost their love
02:07:36 uh Yeshua talks about how
02:07:39 um tour is about love hangs all the law
02:07:42 and the prophets
02:07:44 is love right so the law Torah and the
02:07:49 prophets all taught love uh
02:07:52 in mosiah 2 through 5 tells us that the
02:07:55 law and there’s no debate that what they
02:07:57 kept then was Torah and Lauren Moses
02:08:01 um was about love also I have that in
02:08:05 mind
02:08:06 um all things you must do opposed I can
02:08:09 find the verse if you want but it’s
02:08:11 there I think it’s mosiah 3. if I
02:08:13 remember the chapter correctly but
02:08:15 anyways
02:08:18 um tours about love they lost their love
02:08:20 because they stopped keeping Torah and I
02:08:22 think
02:08:24 I may forget the chapter but I think
02:08:26 Matthew 24 talks about
02:08:29 um
02:08:30 people’s hearts will grow cold because
02:08:32 they’ll stop keeping the law
02:08:38 uh I think it’s Matthew 24. I could find
02:08:41 it if you’re really worried about it
02:08:44 um so I mean they lost their love
02:08:47 because
02:08:48 of
02:08:48 [Music]
02:08:50 to one another because they wanted
02:08:52 revenge and
02:08:57 um Yahweh States revenge is his
02:09:00 words to forgive and defend
02:09:04 in the thirst after blood now there’s
02:09:07 this has multiple things to it
02:09:10 um one that just is like Vengeance but
02:09:13 um
02:09:14 is it Jerome or
02:09:18 somewhere early Book of Mormon chapters
02:09:20 in books talks about how the lamanites
02:09:23 drank blood as a sign of Bravery okay it
02:09:27 wasn’t bravery but that’s against the
02:09:29 kosher loss
02:09:31 this right here is talking about how bad
02:09:35 things they’re doing
02:09:36 one of the kosher laws is to not drink
02:09:39 blood
02:09:40 [Music]
02:09:42 I have a question sure
02:09:46 so you’ll read in the scriptures how
02:09:49 um like the blood of the righteous will
02:09:52 cry from the ground yeah that starts in
02:09:55 Genesis with uh King killing evil but
02:09:59 yeah
02:10:00 so I was I’m curious why it says it like
02:10:03 that
02:10:05 um I think I think it’s the Jehovah’s
02:10:08 Witness that think that like the spirit
02:10:10 of somebody is in the blood
02:10:12 uh well
02:10:14 I think it’s more fun I was just
02:10:16 wondering literal but it’s because you
02:10:17 took their life and
02:10:20 um
02:10:21 in Torah there are specific things
02:10:24 including when someone murders someone
02:10:27 else now I said murder and not kill
02:10:28 because they’re two different things
02:10:30 capital punishment is
02:10:33 in play you have to kill them otherwise
02:10:37 the blood of that saint that was killed
02:10:40 will cry out against you and even the
02:10:43 Book of Mormon States this I don’t
02:10:45 remember where but yeah
02:10:47 um the hand of that the hand of the
02:10:49 murderer is required at the Avenger of
02:10:51 blood yeah
02:10:53 um The Book of Mormon does teach uh
02:10:55 capital punishment for crimes
02:10:58 um in a couple places here’s a couple
02:11:01 notes I have on that
02:11:10 1356
02:11:11 uh
02:11:13 uh 35 5 35 4. those ones are book a
02:11:17 moment so it’s still valid
02:11:22 um and I
02:11:25 capital punishment is not a nice thing
02:11:28 but there were you know okay I’ll put
02:11:32 more quiet
02:11:33 if you can’t hear me tell me okay
02:11:36 because I need to talk more quiet uh but
02:11:38 there’s a lot of crimes that are getting
02:11:40 more rapid today the Torah actually
02:11:43 States if it if they were done
02:11:46 that their Capital punishments
02:11:48 he would get rid of it quite quickly if
02:11:51 we actually enacted that in our
02:11:53 societies
02:11:55 [Music]
02:11:56 oh yeah
02:11:58 and part of the reason it’s rampant is
02:12:00 because they just get a slap on the hand
02:12:02 and
02:12:03 then they go do it again
02:12:05 I mean even within the church we grew up
02:12:08 in does slaps on the hands and
02:12:11 well to continue and I think they let it
02:12:14 continue on purpose but that’s a whole
02:12:15 nother story
02:12:18 um but it’s it’s bad Torah completely
02:12:22 speaks against that and the solution’s
02:12:25 already here it’s just people don’t want
02:12:27 to do it because then that would then
02:12:29 have to show that they need to do stop
02:12:31 their own sense that it speaks out
02:12:33 against and they don’t want to do that
02:12:36 mm-hmm
02:12:38 um
02:12:41 did that answer your question
02:12:44 yeah yeah okay I mean it’s fine I don’t
02:12:48 know if that there’s more there to it I
02:12:50 was just
02:12:51 curious if there was like a deeper
02:12:53 meaning there
02:12:54 um
02:12:55 I
02:12:58 I don’t know if there’s deeper than that
02:13:00 myself I haven’t put a lot of things
02:13:02 I would I would go generally for the
02:13:05 default of yes do I know what it is no
02:13:10 um to kind of go along with that when an
02:13:12 animal is killed and you slit their
02:13:15 throat you have to cover their blood
02:13:16 with the dust of the Earth
02:13:20 and I think it relates to it why
02:13:23 I don’t know
02:13:27 so uh tell your husband when he kills
02:13:30 him to go um cover their blood if he’s
02:13:33 gonna
02:13:34 anyways I I don’t know where your
02:13:36 husband is on things but
02:13:39 um
02:13:40 hunting’s fine Nephi did it and he kept
02:13:42 Torah
02:13:43 and Venus
02:13:46 yeah
02:13:49 um yes he was hunting when he
02:13:52 [Music]
02:13:53 um
02:13:54 you got his
02:13:56 um forgiveness right yep no Bishop
02:13:59 involved
02:14:00 that’s Tim and God
02:14:02 what and and then he did you know the
02:14:06 other actions after
02:14:08 um which is another example of how the
02:14:12 LG’s Church teaches the repentance
02:14:13 process wrong
02:14:18 um anyways
02:14:20 um Moroni 9 8 and the husbands and the
02:14:24 fathers of these women and children they
02:14:27 were slain and they were fed upon the
02:14:29 Flesh of their husbands and the children
02:14:31 upon the Flesh of their fathers and no
02:14:34 water save a little do they give unto
02:14:37 them so this is talking as it’s a bad
02:14:39 thing okay this one’s kind of disgusting
02:14:42 and there’s multiple aspects of Torah in
02:14:46 here okay
02:14:47 first of all
02:14:50 the only thing that states that eating
02:14:54 human flesh is wrong
02:14:56 is the kosher loss and Torah there’s
02:15:00 nothing else other than that it’s a
02:15:02 personal opinion
02:15:05 in addition
02:15:07 Deuteronomy 28 and 29 and I believe this
02:15:10 isn’t 28.
02:15:12 um it talks how
02:15:14 this will happen this exact thing is a
02:15:17 curse for not keeping Torah
02:15:19 that’s right they’re doing wrong
02:15:22 oh my notes imagine me in my notes
02:15:27 so you can tell I’m not looking down at
02:15:29 my notes some of this I’m going by
02:15:31 memory
02:15:32 um but
02:15:33 yeah it’s a curse and let’s go read it
02:15:36 since I have it my notes and thou shalt
02:15:38 eat of the fruit of thine own body
02:15:41 what is that that’s eating your children
02:15:42 huh
02:15:44 [Music]
02:15:47 and also according to this husband and
02:15:49 wife are going to flash
02:15:51 yes yeah
02:16:00 yeah
02:16:02 yeah
02:16:03 um so
02:16:05 if Taurus not valid after the
02:16:07 resurrection why is God enacting that
02:16:10 curse
02:16:13 because that curses in Torah and it’s
02:16:16 directly tied to Torah in fact I’ll show
02:16:19 you the verse real quick
02:16:21 in fact anybody who uh talks about
02:16:24 Covenant curses who denies the validity
02:16:27 of Torah
02:16:30 idiot yeah and should not be and should
02:16:34 not be listened to seriously yeah
02:16:36 because that’s just not logical
02:16:40 because
02:16:41 Deuteronomy 28 15. I just have this one
02:16:45 that first memorized because something I
02:16:46 was working on today
02:16:49 um
02:16:51 sorry I tend to speak to a lot playing
02:16:53 no that’s no that’s fine sometimes I’m
02:16:56 more blunt than others so it’s
02:16:59 I’m not worried about it then but it
02:17:01 shall come to pass if Thou shalt not
02:17:03 hearken unto the voice of the Yahweh
02:17:06 your element to observe and do all of
02:17:09 his Commandments Torah and his statues
02:17:12 which I command these this day that all
02:17:15 these curses shall be come upon thee and
02:17:19 overtake thee and
02:17:23 um that was 53 so that’s like down
02:17:27 right right there
02:17:33 if if tour is not valid why is that
02:17:36 cursed there happening right after
02:17:38 because it’s still valid
02:17:42 um they go back
02:17:48 uh
02:17:49 uh row 9910 and after they have done
02:17:52 this thing they did murder them in most
02:17:55 cruel manner
02:17:57 and
02:17:59 shouldn’t do things cruelly according to
02:18:02 Torah but anyways torturing their bodies
02:18:04 even unto death they have done that they
02:18:08 devour their flesh like unto wild beasts
02:18:11 because of the hardness of their hearts
02:18:13 and they do it for a token of Bravery
02:18:16 that’s just horrible and disgusting and
02:18:18 against Torah
02:18:22 um you’re sounding kind of tired Monica
02:18:25 should you want to keep going or
02:18:27 yeah it’s fine I don’t know how much
02:18:31 time’s left on my thumb oh okay
02:18:34 um
02:18:35 bro99 313 oh mice I yeah okay
02:18:40 oh my son how can uh people like this
02:18:43 whose Delight is in so much Abomination
02:18:47 okay so that’s against Torah behold my
02:18:52 heart cries woe unto this people come
02:18:54 out in judgment oh God and hide their
02:18:57 sins and wickedness and Abominations
02:18:59 from before my face that’s Torah those
02:19:03 are defined what those are are defined
02:19:05 in Torah and Torah uh teaches against
02:19:09 that and this is Moroni nine that’s
02:19:11 after the resurrection
02:19:14 um I don’t know if anyone wants to add
02:19:15 anything to that well um this whole idea
02:19:19 uh this this
02:19:22 yeah this this prayer is actually uh
02:19:26 was that this is actually a uh
02:19:31 this prayer actually States a lot of
02:19:33 things
02:19:35 um that come into play from
02:19:39 for uh telling asking John asking God to
02:19:43 come out in judgment
02:19:44 hide their sins and wickedness and
02:19:46 Abominations from before thy face you go
02:19:48 look you’ll you look at this this is
02:19:51 also an Isaiah Isaiah practice Isaiah’s
02:19:55 prophecies practically quotations from
02:19:57 Deuteronomy
02:19:59 um
02:20:00 and so he he’s he’s calling down he’s
02:20:05 calling down the Covenant curses of God
02:20:07 upon his people
02:20:10 yeah that’s what’s going on and but
02:20:13 that’s actually one of the roles that’s
02:20:15 one of the roles of a true Prophet when
02:20:18 their people will not repent
02:20:20 ance
02:20:20 [Music]
02:20:22 it’s not to tell them all everything is
02:20:24 okay
02:20:25 yeah just get a little better be a
02:20:28 little better tomorrow than you were
02:20:30 today no that that’s I I don’t see that
02:20:32 in scriptures
02:20:34 nowhere
02:20:35 yeah that’s making people feel okay that
02:20:39 yeah it’s just okay as long as I’m
02:20:40 trying to be a little better tomorrow
02:20:43 and how do we Define trying yeah it’s so
02:20:47 ambiguous that anybody can just think
02:20:50 that oh I thought a little better
02:20:53 or I I meant too less to it’s so
02:20:57 ambiguous and they wonder why they have
02:20:58 these problems but anyways
02:21:01 but it makes them feel good warm and
02:21:03 fuzzy inside right yeah and that’s
02:21:06 what’s important right
02:21:09 um
02:21:09 warm fuzzy yeah well it’s funny that
02:21:13 Joseph Smith said the Holy Ghost has
02:21:14 nothing to do but give intelligence no
02:21:17 feelings intelligence pure intelligence
02:21:21 actually but anyways
02:21:24 and often and often it leaves people
02:21:27 quaking to their souls yeah
02:21:31 which is actually something that I’ve
02:21:34 experienced quite often as I’ve received
02:21:37 uh inspiration and insight from toric
02:21:41 passages yeah I’ve had that too
02:21:44 um but anyways first comforter or the
02:21:46 Holy Ghost has no other effect but pure
02:21:48 intelligence
02:21:50 from Joseph Smith teaching to the
02:21:52 prophet page 149.
02:21:56 nothing but pure intelligence
02:22:00 not feelings all right
02:22:03 oh man you didn’t know what he was
02:22:06 talking about he’s just the prophet of
02:22:08 the restaurant he’s going against he’s
02:22:10 going against the words of Paul
02:22:13 aren’t the fruits of the spirits
02:22:14 feelings no actually the fruits when he
02:22:18 talks about the fruits of the spirits
02:22:19 he’s talking about behaviors
02:22:22 I’m kidding
02:22:24 who’s trying to get the cringe he’s
02:22:28 being facetious but in Galatians 5 that
02:22:31 the fruits of the spirit lists are
02:22:34 Commandments and Torah I know yeah and
02:22:38 it’s also it and it’s also yeah and it’s
02:22:41 behaviors it’s stuff that sticks and
02:22:44 their behaviors that Torah the Holy
02:22:47 Spirit tells you to do right so if you
02:22:52 follow the Holy Spirit these are the
02:22:53 fruits that you’ll have
02:22:56 oh wow wow
02:22:58 are you serious right now
02:23:12 [Music]
02:23:20 up here and again my son okay there are
02:23:23 many widows and their daughters who
02:23:25 remain in
02:23:26 sharizah and that part of the provisions
02:23:28 which the lamanites did not carry away
02:23:30 behold the army of zenify it has carried
02:23:33 away and left them to wander with or so
02:23:35 ever they can for food and many old
02:23:37 women do fake by the way and die how
02:23:39 many times in Isaiah does it talk about
02:23:41 taking care of the widows and fatherless
02:23:43 well it’s in Torah too tithing yeah
02:23:46 oh the depravity of my people they are
02:23:49 without order and without Mercy behold I
02:23:51 am but a man and I have but the strength
02:23:53 of a man and I cannot any longer enforce
02:23:56 my commands
02:23:58 they’re not even listening to Authority
02:24:00 yeah which Tor tells you to listen to
02:24:03 your leaders
02:24:05 this is somewhat of annoyance some
02:24:07 restorationists are pushing that we
02:24:09 shouldn’t have leaders
02:24:11 no
02:24:13 we should we can have righteous chosen
02:24:16 leaders by God right and I I mean
02:24:20 they’re trying to reference sign you
02:24:21 know all shall know him that
02:24:24 just because you know him doesn’t mean
02:24:26 you have got it all figured out right
02:24:30 Daniel after seeing God he knew God and
02:24:34 he kept studying the scriptures the word
02:24:37 of God because he didn’t have it all
02:24:39 figured out
02:24:41 same with me and now my son I dwell no
02:24:44 longer upon this horrible sin behold
02:24:46 thou knowest the wickedness of this
02:24:47 people thou knowest that they are
02:24:49 without principle and past feeling and
02:24:52 their wickedness stuff exceed that of
02:24:54 the laminates
02:24:57 so uh without order Law and Order oh
02:25:02 yeah Mercy Torah talks about Mercy
02:25:06 um
02:25:07 in fact Christ even says
02:25:10 Justice and mercy are the weightier
02:25:13 parts of the law yeah and he’s pulling
02:25:17 right back to Torah and he’s saying this
02:25:20 when he was chewing up the Pharisees for
02:25:22 focusing on only tightening right well
02:25:26 um if we’re focusing on oral tradition
02:25:34 I think was that one said in regard to
02:25:38 Corbin I think
02:25:40 yeah you have to go double check but
02:25:43 Corbin is an oral law that makes it so
02:25:46 you think you don’t have to take care of
02:25:48 your parents which is already your
02:25:49 parents
02:25:50 um but yeah anyways
02:25:52 um but yeah
02:25:55 um
02:25:57 uh let’s see uh depriving my people
02:25:59 without ordering Mercy but I am a man
02:26:02 and I have the strength of a man like
02:26:05 ah
02:26:10 he’s an all kind of forces commands
02:26:13 they’re not listening to their leaders
02:26:15 he can only give commands because he’s a
02:26:18 leader and they’re not following the
02:26:20 orders which is against Tori you’re
02:26:22 supposed to keep as long as your leaders
02:26:25 are telling you to keep Torah
02:26:28 or not or first of all contrary to Torah
02:26:31 you need to follow them
02:26:34 when they contradict Torah that’s when
02:26:37 you don’t follow them
02:26:38 yeah
02:26:41 um 9 20. I think you read it so I’ll
02:26:43 just try to see if I want to bring
02:26:44 something up
02:26:46 without principle past feeling
02:26:49 these are this is all yeah because
02:26:52 Christ talks about that you know Matthew
02:26:54 24 and it ties it to not keeping the law
02:26:59 um
02:27:00 the wickedness definitely that’s tied
02:27:02 the law
02:27:03 the thing is is their wickedness exceeds
02:27:05 out of the lamanites because they have
02:27:07 the law and they and they behave worse
02:27:10 than illuminized
02:27:12 and that here more later okay
02:27:17 so
02:27:21 um okay go ahead and they did also March
02:27:24 forward against the city of tianca and
02:27:26 to drive the inhabitants fourth out of
02:27:27 her and to take many prisoners both
02:27:29 women and children and to offered them
02:27:31 up as sacrifices to unto their Idol gods
02:27:33 and it came to pass the first uh human
02:27:36 sacrifices against Torah yep and he’s
02:27:40 writing this as it’s a bad thing
02:27:42 Idols Idol gods are raised are against
02:27:46 Torah right
02:27:48 idol worship and it came to pass in the
02:27:51 360 and and seventh year the Nephites
02:27:54 being angry against the lamanites had
02:27:56 sacrificed their women and their
02:27:57 children that they didn’t go against the
02:27:59 because the lamanites had sacrificed
02:28:01 their women and children that they go
02:28:02 against the lamanites with exceedingly
02:28:04 great anger in so much that they didn’t
02:28:05 beat again the lamanites and drive them
02:28:07 out of their lands and when they come
02:28:08 the second time the Nephites were driven
02:28:10 and slaughtered with an exceedingly
02:28:12 great Slaughter and their women and
02:28:13 their children were again sacrificed
02:28:14 onto idols
02:28:15 so that’s all pretty much the same thing
02:28:18 just repeating it and
02:28:20 talk human sacrifice and Idols are
02:28:23 against Torah and he’s writing this as
02:28:25 it’s a bad thing obviously it is right
02:28:28 but anyways
02:28:30 well and it’s also they went up in Anger
02:28:33 against them and he’s talking about the
02:28:35 anger like it’s a terrible thing
02:28:37 Jesus Christ Jesus Christ said going up
02:28:41 in Anger is a terrible thing
02:28:44 well it it’s
02:28:48 in a lot it says to be slow to anger
02:28:51 there is a time to be angry and I think
02:28:52 that them sacrificing their women and
02:28:57 children
02:28:58 is a solid thing to be angry with so I
02:29:01 would have been angry about that yeah I
02:29:03 think I I think that’s I think that’s
02:29:06 fine to be angry about and I think the
02:29:08 law it says it’s fine but anyways
02:29:12 Mormon 928 be wise of the days of your
02:29:16 probation strip yourselves fall on
02:29:17 cleanness ask not that you may consume
02:29:20 it on your lusts but ask with from the
02:29:23 firmness unshaken that you will yield to
02:29:26 no temptation but that you will serve
02:29:28 the true and living God well I think
02:29:31 though in that verse going back to the
02:29:34 prior verse where he’s talking about
02:29:37 them going up in Anger with such Fierce
02:29:40 anger he’s talking about it as a bad
02:29:43 thing here’s why they’re relying on that
02:29:46 anger instead of relying on the Lord so
02:29:48 they’re relying on the arm of Flesh
02:29:50 their own anger over the strength that
02:29:55 they could receive from Yahoo
02:29:57 uh if that’s the case I would agree we’d
02:30:00 have to go I don’t know if you want to
02:30:01 go look at uh that real quick all right
02:30:07 I’d rather not I’m just okay just bring
02:30:09 it I’m just bringing out the idea that
02:30:12 he’s talking about the anger as if it’s
02:30:15 a bad thing
02:30:16 yeah not really I I don’t know as I look
02:30:20 at it now I don’t know that it’s
02:30:21 necessarily that thing uh well I guess
02:30:24 we’d have to go look at the verses so I
02:30:27 it Matt has a valid point but we’d have
02:30:30 to go check the contexts and the verses
02:30:32 to know for sure well that’s true well
02:30:34 the thing is is yeah they are successful
02:30:38 but then the Nephi the lamanites come
02:30:40 back and whoop their tails worse than
02:30:43 they did before
02:30:45 well that’s because that’s because the
02:30:48 Covenant curses have already been called
02:30:49 down against well right and it’s because
02:30:52 of the Covenant curses that they were
02:30:55 that’s why the anger was is talked about
02:30:59 as being a bad thing
02:31:01 uh like I can go with that we’d have to
02:31:04 go read the verses and I don’t have it
02:31:06 all right here so yeah yeah that’s all
02:31:09 right let’s go to let’s go talk about
02:31:11 charity
02:31:13 amen uh well okay well let’s do 9 28
02:31:16 strip yourselves of all uncleanness uh
02:31:19 and that’s actually uh from Torah that’s
02:31:22 brings because Thor tells us what’s
02:31:24 clean is what it’s not as clean uh
02:31:28 don’t consume upon your lusts I mean
02:31:31 that’s Torah in fact
02:31:33 these and Tori even talks about
02:31:36 um specifically with some of the
02:31:38 gleaning laws
02:31:39 that you shouldn’t be so out to just go
02:31:43 make money to make money to make money
02:31:45 you need to take care of others and
02:31:47 don’t worry about
02:31:50 just making money which is lusting after
02:31:52 money right and this is what they’re
02:31:53 doing they’re going after their lust
02:31:55 unshaken
02:31:59 there’s no temptation which goes to
02:32:01 Torah
02:32:03 and serve the true Living God which you
02:32:05 know that’s Torah you cannot serve the
02:32:07 true and living God outside of Torah so
02:32:09 ronai seven four through nine
02:32:13 um I went let’s go look at these real uh
02:32:17 well let’s go look at Moroni seven
02:32:20 it was changed I should probably copy it
02:32:22 over
02:32:24 sure
02:32:42 foreign
02:32:48 and now my brother I judge these things
02:32:51 of you because of your Peaceable walk
02:32:53 with the children of men
02:32:55 for I remember the word of Elohim which
02:32:58 saith by their works you shall know them
02:33:00 for if their Works be good then they are
02:33:04 good also for behold God hath said a man
02:33:07 being evil cannot do that which is good
02:33:09 for if he offered us a gift and prayeth
02:33:12 unto God except he shall do it with real
02:33:14 intent it profits him nothing for behold
02:33:17 it
02:33:18 is not counted unto him for
02:33:20 righteousness but behold if a man being
02:33:23 evil giveth a gift he doeth the
02:33:26 grudgingly wherefore it is counted unto
02:33:28 him for the same as if he retained the
02:33:30 gift or for he’s counted evil before God
02:33:33 and likewise it is counted evil on
02:33:35 demand if he pray and not with thrill
02:33:38 intent of heart yea it profits him
02:33:40 nothing for God receiveth none such so
02:33:44 um that’s Torah
02:33:46 yep and you can you can say all the
02:33:48 right and you can say all the right
02:33:50 wrote prayers and it can mean it can do
02:33:52 nothing for you
02:33:53 so let’s just show it though uh to your
02:33:57 army 28 45 moreover all these curses are
02:34:00 component thee and shall pursue thee and
02:34:03 overtake thee till thou be destroyed
02:34:05 because thou hardness not unto harkiness
02:34:09 unto the voice of Yahweh thy Elohim to
02:34:12 keep his Commandments and his statues
02:34:13 which he has commanded thee uh 47
02:34:16 because that service not the why Yahweh
02:34:20 your Elohim with joyfulness and with
02:34:24 gladness of heart for the abundance of
02:34:26 all things
02:34:29 um so that’s the right reason with
02:34:31 joyfulness and gladness and if you’re
02:34:33 doing grudgingly like is in Moroni 7
02:34:37 uh it’s going as Torah it’s the same
02:34:40 thing just saying it a different way
02:34:43 Deuteronomy 29 19-22 and it cometh the
02:34:47 past when he heareth the words of this
02:34:50 curse he bless himself in his heart
02:34:53 saying I shall have peace though I walk
02:34:56 in imagination of Mine Heart and add to
02:34:58 drunken to thirst the Lord will not
02:35:01 spare him for then the anger of Yahweh
02:35:04 and his jealousy shall smote against
02:35:07 that man and his curses are written in
02:35:10 this book The curses are written in the
02:35:12 book and shall lie upon him and the Lord
02:35:15 shall blot out his name from under
02:35:17 heaven
02:35:18 anyways the the big one was 47. that
02:35:21 goes with that Passage
02:35:25 they just kind of saying the opposite
02:35:27 ways but it’s the same thing
02:35:30 um
02:35:30 okay charity is a list of Commandments
02:35:33 yes
02:35:34 [Music]
02:35:36 if we can go there
02:35:38 um
02:35:40 in fact uh let me stay here first
02:35:45 let’s just go to the Hebrew word charity
02:35:51 uh so because I can’t say this but
02:35:55 anyways
02:35:59 the word literary meaning Justice or
02:36:02 righteousness righteousness which is me
02:36:04 keeping the law but calmly commonly used
02:36:07 to signify charity though it is
02:36:09 different concept from charity because
02:36:11 tazaka is an obligation and charity is
02:36:13 typically an understanding of
02:36:15 spontaneous active will
02:36:18 and maker of generosity
02:36:21 based on the Hebrew word meaning
02:36:23 righteousness
02:36:25 fairness Justice oh my word
02:36:28 huh it’s tied to Melchizedek
02:36:33 said yeah the idea
02:36:41 um so this is that it has some
02:36:44 interesting things it I’ve seen some see
02:36:46 how it could be
02:36:48 uh combination from the Canaan language
02:36:51 too but anyways
02:36:53 um which is Semitic so there’s going to
02:36:55 be a lot of overlap because it’s a
02:36:56 static language just like Arabic there’s
02:36:58 a lot of overlaps it’s just Semitic but
02:37:01 anyways you remember that little meaning
02:37:03 righteousness evidence
02:37:05 um uh anyways
02:37:07 en Judaism refers to religious
02:37:09 obligations to do what is right and just
02:37:12 and one of those things you’re ready is
02:37:14 the obligation to do what is right and
02:37:16 just
02:37:17 which is what Torah anyways we don’t
02:37:21 have to read this whole
02:37:22 yeah that really makes it quite clear
02:37:25 when you actually look at it at the
02:37:27 actual word the root word from which it
02:37:30 comes it’s really quite clear the yeah
02:37:34 now let’s just go read what it states
02:37:37 just look at Moroni chapter 7 verses 45
02:37:40 through 40 yeah all right okay
02:37:46 and charity suffereth long that is
02:37:48 cutting wait that’s a commandment suffer
02:37:51 long yep and it’s kind can happen if not
02:37:55 commandment it’s not puffed up
02:37:58 commandment seeketh not her own
02:38:03 it’s not easily provoked commandment I
02:38:08 think it’s no evil
02:38:09 yeah man commandment
02:38:13 this is all under Thou shalt not covet
02:38:16 uh Rejoice this not an iniquity
02:38:18 commandment Rejoice within the truth
02:38:21 Commandments
02:38:22 all things
02:38:32 we have not charity if you do not build
02:38:35 obligation to do that which is right and
02:38:38 just you are nothing
02:38:43 for charity never fails
02:38:46 yeah keeping the Commandments this is
02:38:49 the source of God’s power his honor
02:38:51 foreign
02:38:54 so here I’m gonna
02:38:57 bring us to just to tie it in
02:39:01 because I what I’m gonna say it relates
02:39:05 so all over the place we’re told that if
02:39:08 you don’t keep Commandments
02:39:11 you’re going to be called Lawless all
02:39:13 right
02:39:14 and where however here are a few things
02:39:17 of mine and like them oh no no
02:39:19 everyone that says on me Yahweh shall
02:39:22 enter in the Kingdom of Heaven but he
02:39:23 that doeth the will of My Father which
02:39:25 is in heaven
02:39:27 foreign
02:39:30 will say to me in that day Yahweh Yahweh
02:39:33 have we not prophesied in thy name in
02:39:36 thy name have cast out devils and thy
02:39:39 name done many wonderful works
02:39:43 and and then I will profess unto them I
02:39:46 never knew you depart from me ye that
02:39:48 work iniquity
02:39:50 through the
02:39:52 not keeping the Commandments or not
02:39:55 being terrible which is not keeping the
02:39:57 Commandments
02:39:58 you both get this they both get the same
02:40:01 punishment because they’re both the
02:40:03 exact same thing uh-huh
02:40:07 Charities and on top of that
02:40:11 crisis if you love me keep my
02:40:13 Commandments charity is the Pure Love Of
02:40:16 Christ you keep the Commandments because
02:40:18 you love God
02:40:22 because the love of God dwells in your
02:40:25 heart
02:40:26 yeah
02:40:28 and what do you do when you love God
02:40:32 to keep the Commandments walk it you’re
02:40:34 walking his ways
02:40:38 you know it’s kind of like with your
02:40:41 when you uh
02:40:43 you when you love your own father you
02:40:45 try to emulate him
02:40:48 yeah
02:40:50 uh and Moroni brings that out too
02:40:53 Heaven
02:40:55 um earlier in the chapter right yep in
02:40:59 fact I have a post on that
02:41:02 go figure
02:41:04 uh oh man I am I’m getting cut I’m
02:41:09 getting kind of tired Stephen okay we’re
02:41:11 almost done hold on okay okay
02:41:14 I think we’re almost done with this list
02:41:18 um
02:41:21 it’s just and that’s just there’s so
02:41:25 much good stuff there yeah let’s just
02:41:28 random notes Here yeah
02:41:32 okay all right uh Revenge belongs to
02:41:35 Yahweh mormon39
02:41:38 and now because this is this great thing
02:41:41 which my people in the Nephites had done
02:41:43 they began to boast In Their Own
02:41:45 Strength uh it’s against the
02:41:47 Commandments Torah and begins to swear
02:41:50 before the heavens Ah that’s against
02:41:53 Torah
02:41:55 defends themselves against Torah of the
02:41:58 blood of the brother who had been slain
02:42:00 by their enemies
02:42:04 yeah and when they had sworn by all that
02:42:08 have been forbidden
02:42:10 than by Yahweh and our say or or because
02:42:16 and or is actually the same word in
02:42:17 Hebrew but anyways Our Savior Yeshua the
02:42:21 Messiah they would go up unto their
02:42:24 enemies to battle and avenge themselves
02:42:25 of the blood of their brother behold the
02:42:28 voice of Yahweh come unto me saying okay
02:42:30 but anyways
02:42:32 those are against Torah and it’s writing
02:42:35 these as if and that’s where and that’s
02:42:39 where in that then in verse 15
02:42:42 Yahweh the voice of the voice of Yahweh
02:42:45 comes to Mormon and says I am
02:42:47 withdrawing my support from your
02:42:49 brethren
02:42:50 uh okay so that would been to maybe some
02:42:53 good extra questions that falls directly
02:42:56 into
02:42:58 Deuteronomy 28. yeah I should uh go add
02:43:01 15.
02:43:03 yeah um because yes that directly ties
02:43:06 it to Drew only 28.
02:43:09 Mormon 411 and it is impossible for the
02:43:12 tongue to describe for the man to write
02:43:14 perfect uh did we read that one already
02:43:16 yeah we read that one that was it’s up
02:43:19 higher okay so that’s a duplicate we
02:43:21 won’t do that one again Mormon 840. why
02:43:25 do you build up your secret Abominations
02:43:28 to get gained well you know that’s
02:43:30 against Torah
02:43:31 and cause that the Widow shall mourn
02:43:34 before
02:43:35 Yahweh that’s against Torah this is how
02:43:39 the orphans are wicked yeah
02:43:43 sounds like 123 billion
02:43:46 um
02:43:47 fund and One Fund yeah yeah just one
02:43:52 file
02:43:52 yeah and they’re doing the same things
02:43:55 they’re not giving it the widows or the
02:43:57 orphans and also the blood of their
02:43:59 problems unless they’re saying they’re
02:44:01 going to church
02:44:02 but
02:44:04 I’m paying their tithing
02:44:07 yeah and then they say it doesn’t matter
02:44:09 what they do with it but it does matter
02:44:12 and you’re giving it to them knowing
02:44:15 that they’re not doing what they’re
02:44:16 supposed to be doing with it you’re also
02:44:18 held accountable
02:44:20 um and also the blood of the fathers and
02:44:22 the husband’s Crown to the Yahweh from
02:44:24 the ground from vengeance upon their
02:44:26 heads that’s Torah
02:44:30 infant baptism
02:44:32 is in Torah
02:44:34 um
02:44:35 as against
02:44:41 I have that here
02:44:45 Deuteronomy one
02:44:47 yep um and it’s repeated Ezekiel and so
02:44:51 it’s it’s not only is it in not only is
02:44:55 it in what is
02:44:57 typically defined in what is typically
02:44:59 defined in Torah it is also in the
02:45:01 prophets
02:45:02 yes yeah which is the Tanakh Old
02:45:06 Testament right yeah um it’s in the New
02:45:09 Testament too but I
02:45:11 people love to twist it but anyways
02:45:13 that’s Torah
02:45:15 [Music]
02:45:17 yeah the idea no no infant baptism yeah
02:45:21 that’s a torque principle yeah and this
02:45:24 one’s not after the resurrection so I
02:45:25 don’t remember I have that one there
02:45:27 it’s probably because I did put it in
02:45:28 the wrong spot so
02:45:30 all right there we go that’s what I have
02:45:32 right now
02:45:33 I could probably add but these are
02:45:35 things I I caught when I was reading
02:45:37 yeah I think her phone died
02:45:39 uh well okay that’s too bad but maybe
02:45:42 she can watch the last of it yeah the
02:45:45 tail end of the tail end of the video
02:45:46 this was a good talk
02:45:49 sure oh so some of back and forth but
02:45:52 they’re some good things Oh I thought I
02:45:54 thought this was I thought this was a
02:45:56 good session we went over a lot of stuff
02:45:58 and we yeah we learned together I think
02:46:03 yeah yeah hopefully uh Monica locked it
02:46:06 and I think she did
02:46:08 um
02:46:09 so I’ll give her the recording she
02:46:11 seemed she seemed to be following yeah
02:46:15 so
02:46:16 are we in agreement though that the men
02:46:19 of Moroni the people of Nephi it was
02:46:23 wrong for them to be so angry I don’t
02:46:26 know I don’t think
02:46:29 I cannot see myself see and
02:46:34 if that happened to my wife to my wife
02:46:37 and children I cannot see myself being
02:46:39 anything but that angry well I’m right
02:46:40 yeah I
02:46:43 and I don’t and I hope that I’m less
02:46:47 Wicked than I was when I first started
02:46:49 him this road right was that Mormon for
02:46:54 yeah okay so let’s go look at contacts
02:46:58 okay wait Mormon four that’s the that’s
02:47:01 that’s the sacrificing no Mormon not
02:47:05 Maroma oh sorry sorry
02:47:09 I’m sorry excuse me Jesus Christ hey hey
02:47:15 hey
02:47:17 sorry damn
02:47:21 I’d rather they have you say that one
02:47:24 than the other yeah you’re right
02:47:27 all right all right so Mormon four
02:47:33 um let’s go
02:47:35 the 14 I’m gonna bring up my earliest
02:47:39 tips the merch and then it also marched
02:47:42 forward against the city to yank them
02:47:44 and to drive the inhabitants with in
02:47:47 fact you know I’m just gonna get it in
02:47:48 the Kindle out of her
02:47:55 and to take many prisoners both women
02:47:58 and children
02:47:59 and did offer them up the sacrifices
02:48:02 onto their Idol gods
02:48:04 and came to pass in the 360 and seventh
02:48:07 year of the knee bites being angry
02:48:09 because the lamanites had sacrificed
02:48:11 their women and children then they had
02:48:13 to go against the lamb nights with
02:48:14 exceeding the great anger and so much
02:48:16 that they did beat again the lamanites
02:48:18 and drive them out of their lands and
02:48:20 the lamanites did not come again against
02:48:22 the Nephites until the 370 and fifth
02:48:25 year and in this year that had come down
02:48:27 against the Nephites with all their
02:48:28 powers and they were not numbered
02:48:30 because of the greatness of their number
02:48:32 and from this time forth the Nephites to
02:48:35 gain no power over the lamanites but
02:48:37 began to be swept off by them even as a
02:48:40 dude before the sun
02:48:41 he came to pass with the lamanites to
02:48:43 come down against the city of desolation
02:48:45 and there was an exceedingly sword
02:48:46 battle thought in the land desolation in
02:48:48 which in the which they had beat the
02:48:50 Nephites they fled again from before
02:48:52 them they came to the city of Boaz where
02:48:55 they’d stand against the laminites with
02:48:56 exceeding boldness and so much the
02:48:58 lamanites did not beat them until they
02:48:59 come again the second time when they
02:49:02 come the second time the Nephites were
02:49:04 driven and slaughtered with an
02:49:05 exceedingly great Slaughter of their
02:49:06 women and their children were again
02:49:08 sacrificed not to idolsom it came to
02:49:10 pass then he fights that again flee from
02:49:12 before them taking all the inhabitants
02:49:14 with them both in towns and villages
02:49:16 and now I’m more than seeing that the
02:49:18 lamanites were about to overthrow the
02:49:19 land wherefore I to go to the hill shim
02:49:22 and to take up all the records which
02:49:24 amaron had hit up onto the work
02:49:30 so this is after the Nephites have
02:49:34 gloried in their own strength
02:49:37 yeah
02:49:39 but I’m not seeing anything saying that
02:49:41 the anger yeah I don’t really feel like
02:49:44 the anger was yeah not natural right
02:49:48 well right
02:49:52 I’m sorry I’m not saying that it’s not
02:49:56 natural
02:49:58 so what first do you think is saying
02:50:01 that it’s actually bad man
02:50:04 I mean listening to the context though
02:50:07 it does make it sound less bad
02:50:10 well the actual person which it’s
02:50:13 talking about it’s like they went up and
02:50:15 beat the they did beat them exceedingly
02:50:17 and drove them from their land but the
02:50:19 whole thing is this whole thing is
02:50:21 coming right after that section where
02:50:23 we’re talking about how both the
02:50:24 Nephites and the wit and lamanites were
02:50:26 both so wicked and depraved it doesn’t
02:50:29 matter you the Nephites are worse than
02:50:31 the lamanites well still even though
02:50:33 you’re really bad you can still have do
02:50:36 some things that are righteous because
02:50:38 for example
02:50:41 um
02:50:42 but is this the way that the that is
02:50:45 this the way that Mormon describes them
02:50:49 right but I I just I
02:50:53 I’m not seeing it really in a way that I
02:50:56 think the anger was bad because yeah the
02:51:00 anger necessarily was I think I think
02:51:03 was bad I think that it’s more a natural
02:51:09 consequence I think it’s more I think
02:51:12 it’s entirely natural that they should
02:51:14 be angry oh yeah absolutely absolutely
02:51:19 but I don’t believe that it was but I
02:51:21 don’t believe I also don’t see it as
02:51:23 being righteous anger rights
02:51:27 because of the righteousness yeah uh or
02:51:31 counted unto them as right I guess
02:51:32 that’s my arguments I guess is uh
02:51:41 wherein he talks he gives all of The
02:51:44 Commandments
02:51:45 regarding charity that basically talks
02:51:48 about the tense which is don’t covet
02:51:51 and they have already violated all of
02:51:54 that and with this
02:51:56 righteous anger that the world would
02:52:00 consider righteous anger they’ve got
02:52:03 they went and they beat the lemonites
02:52:05 right
02:52:06 what they were doing to their uh women
02:52:09 and children right right as I said I’m
02:52:11 not arguing the natural
02:52:14 wow but what I am arguing is
02:52:17 of course they had already forsaken
02:52:19 Torah by this point anyway sure
02:52:22 right they didn’t take care of it
02:52:24 righteously yes that I guess that’s
02:52:28 basically what I’m
02:52:30 trying to say I’m sure
02:52:34 instead of repenting and taking care of
02:52:36 things the correct way they took it into
02:52:38 their own strength right and they
02:52:42 trusted in their own strengths which is
02:52:44 what it does well that’s what they have
02:52:46 the Lord had already promised that it
02:52:49 already cursed them to be at their own
02:52:51 strength he had already it already
02:52:53 removed his name yeah that was a chapter
02:52:56 earlier yeah
02:52:59 yes so I I I do kind of see what you’re
02:53:04 saying but I I I’m just I’m not seeing
02:53:06 anything in the context as the anger
02:53:08 itself is bad but right no I I didn’t
02:53:12 handle it incorrectly though
02:53:15 well except that except that Jesus
02:53:18 himself said that anger and said that
02:53:20 anger is bad but he said Slow to anger
02:53:23 hey he said he what he also said that he
02:53:27 who is angry with his brother
02:53:30 Without a Cause well that’s true without
02:53:33 a coach
02:53:38 oh yeah
02:53:39 so
02:53:41 so at least that’s not going to be
02:53:42 counted against
02:53:45 um yeah but how they handled it
02:53:50 yeah because they
02:53:52 anyways but yeah they fly they flooded
02:53:57 the law and they boasted their own
02:53:59 strength right look at us we’re so great
02:54:02 we’re so wonderful we’re so powerful
02:54:04 look at us
02:54:07 yeah yeah
02:54:08 the whole picture
02:54:11 I’m I’m sorry the first
02:54:14 the first
02:54:16 I mean most of the Book of Mormon in the
02:54:19 Book of Mormon for me is just
02:54:23 just terribly depressing yeah it’s kind
02:54:26 of war and I I just I just see
02:54:32 I just see the world around me the
02:54:34 people that I love they’re all
02:54:37 sliding into the same trap there’s
02:54:39 nothing I can do
02:54:42 well
02:54:44 I see it too
02:54:47 oh it’s good hey yeah and you try to
02:54:50 speak
02:54:51 and they tell you that and they tell you
02:54:53 that you’re uh
02:54:55 you you try to speak up more and they
02:54:58 tell you that you’re arguing a bad faith
02:55:01 what
02:55:03 I
02:55:04 I
02:55:05 just don’t understand I know in general
02:55:08 what it means but when they’re using it
02:55:10 like here because they do it to me too
02:55:13 they can’t show me how
02:55:16 no they can’t show you how because they
02:55:19 because you’re not and they’re okay
02:55:22 they’re just twisting the phrase
02:55:25 um and you know and that’s when you
02:55:28 realize that wow you love them they
02:55:29 don’t love you they hate you oh yeah
02:55:32 because you’re down teaching you
02:55:34 understand how Jesus feels
02:55:37 that is for sure
02:55:40 you know because he he did it first yeah
02:55:45 um
02:55:46 you know
02:55:49 anyways that’s really
02:55:54 but anyway that’s enough about hopefully
02:55:57 read on some of these Book of Mormon
02:55:59 verses and expounding them we’ll help
02:56:01 people see Torah is in the Book of
02:56:03 Mormon act or the resurrection as I have
02:56:06 stated lots of times no one ever
02:56:08 challenges me on it
02:56:10 whenever no one ever challenges on you
02:56:13 and you on it and yet they will teach
02:56:15 against it in session oh sure and then
02:56:17 they’ll make fun of me for doing it but
02:56:20 they’ll never challenge me they’ll just
02:56:22 make fun of it they’ll never ask me to
02:56:24 bring it out because then they will have
02:56:26 because then they’ll be responsible for
02:56:28 it yeah
02:56:35 you’re still responsible for it if
02:56:37 you’re willfully ignorant I know yeah
02:56:40 yes that is very true and they’re being
02:56:43 willfully ignorant
02:56:46 um but anyways maybe the video will help
02:56:48 some people since we read through my
02:56:50 kind of rough notes on it
02:56:53 um let’s talk about it
02:56:54 yeah yeah
02:56:56 maybe we can go over some more of that
02:56:59 um maybe we can go over some more on
02:57:01 facecraft next week
02:57:03 and say that one more time so maybe we
02:57:06 can go over some more on priest draft
02:57:07 and uh with that person script next week
02:57:09 uh sure sure yeah
02:57:11 um
02:57:13 yeah it doesn’t have to see what we’ll
02:57:15 have to see what shows up
02:57:17 that’s a good backup plan for sure
02:57:20 um yeah it’s just Monica came and she’s
02:57:23 kind of getting it and she had some
02:57:25 really she had some really interesting
02:57:26 things